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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-03-17

---Logopened Thu Mar 17 00:00:35 2011
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01:38<brohelm>i have been using debian now for less than an hour
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01:39<brohelm>what is the proper way to celebrate?
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01:41<dpkg>hmm... beer is liquid gold mate
01:42<bones_was_here>dpkg *really* likes beer
01:42<dpkg>bones_was_here: wish i knew
01:42<bones_was_here>!beer brohelm
01:42*dpkg pulls out a tasty Jever for brohelm
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01:47<MrMan>!beer the end of the world
01:47*dpkg pulls out a tasty Spaten Pils for the end of the world
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01:57<penis>hi im penis
01:57<penis>how are you
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02:07<lolsies>is there a tool better then OSkit?
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03:09<chl501>has anyone used Etoile desktop environment?
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03:11<MrMan>Now I'm really confused. Running Debian Squeeze in Xen: Why would udevd fail to add xvd* devices on startup, but then add devices that are later hot-plugged?
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03:16<centurion>Hi Folks
03:17-!-Guest1012 is now known as simonrvn
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03:17<centurion>Could I possibly trouble someone for a bit of insight into configuring my second pci express graphics card to activate my other two screens?
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03:18<centurion>Is it possible with Debian 6
03:21<MrMan>Do both graphic cards show up in lspci?
03:21<jm_>which driver?
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03:26<centurion>Yep they show up in lspci
03:27<centurion> get the idea the driver is the Nouveau which comes standard with debian 6
03:27<centurion>does it not
03:27<centurion>Both cards are identical I built this box to experiment as I had been out of linux for a while
03:28<centurion>two screens are running from the first card
03:28<centurion>Everything has been great other than this really.
03:28<centurion>Really happy with it so dar
03:28<centurion>Geforce 210s
03:29<centurion>Tried Xorg -configure
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03:29<centurion>Come up with the error
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03:31<centurion>Number of screens does not match the number of detected devices
03:31<centurion>Did a bit of fiddling with the in root and it just reverts when I run the configure option again
03:31<centurion>So little out of my depth
03:32<centurion>But learning fast
03:33<retrospectacus>you're supposed to copy to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try starting X to test it.
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03:34<centurion>Tried but not to confident with the correct configuration of that file.
03:34<jm_>no idea if nouevau supports this, but can't hurt to try it
03:35<MrMan>Does Debian Squeeze expect the devtmpfs kernel driver to be present?
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03:36<jm_>MrMan: does its kernel have it included? I know 2.6.37 does
03:37<MrMan>I'm using a custom kernel for my DomUs, didn't need that driver for lenny.
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03:38<jm_>so you're not using initramfs either?
03:39<MrMan>No, all drivers are compiled in.
03:39<jm_>then I reckon it doesn't matter
03:39<MrMan>Its just that the xvd devices don't show up.
03:40<jm_>I certainly don't enable it in my kernels
03:40<ottoshmidt>hi all, there is kinda thing on fujitsu siemens laptop, mouse pad allows moving, but can't accept a click (tap), and scrolling works as well
03:40<jm_>devtmpfs only provides some minimal device files AFAIR
03:40<ottoshmidt>do I need any driver ?
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03:42<MrMan>The squeeze kernel config has it enabled, so I'm wandering if udevd is configured to only add devices that are later hotplugged.
03:42<ottoshmidt>it worked by default on opensuse installation
03:42<ottoshmidt>on the other hand I can get along with button (left-button) clicks anyway
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03:43<retrospectacus>ottoshmidt: check in System-Preferences-Mouse-Touchpad
03:45<ottoshmidt>retrospectacus, thanks, not a regular user of laptops u know and wasn't aware of that
03:45<retrospectacus>enjoy :)
03:45<ottoshmidt>this even gives an option of disabling touchpad while typing which is helpful
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03:50<Raptors>Can someone help me compile emerald
03:51<Raptors>It seems to be running into some gtk prob or something
03:51<Raptors>Not sure how to go about fixing it
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03:57<nitro>just testing around
03:57<nitro>the room seems quiet
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03:58<Raptors>Can you look at that?
03:58<Raptors>do you know how I can fix it?
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04:26<ottoshmidt>hm is it no longer possible to download deb packages from
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04:27<jm_>ottoshmidt: that page only gives you a link to mirrors, and yes, this still works
04:27<ottoshmidt>and what about package ccsm?
04:27<ottoshmidt>is it there?
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04:28<ottoshmidt>ah, it was renamed
04:29<ottoshmidt>or might be I remembered it wrongly.. hmm
04:29<centurion>Woooohoooo I got the second screen working
04:29<centurion>oh it's so good to be thawing out the penguin
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04:30<centurion>Gonna get the fourth screen going now.
04:30<centurion>How Greedy
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04:38<yang>hello jm_
04:39<yang>I seem to have some problem with the wodim writing speeds
04:39<yang>I cannot write a CD audio in writing speed 1 , I performed wodim -v speed=1 and it gives me .... Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4.0 in real TAO mode for single session.
04:40<yang>writing Audio CD at higher speed, might produce errors on older CD players
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04:54<DrSampler>thats probably because your cd/dvd burner do not support writting at 1x
04:55<DrSampler>there's nothing you can do about that
04:56<DrSampler>and, btw, do not burn audio CDs at TAO mode... use dao
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04:56<jm_>or media?
04:56<jm_>wodim -atip might tell you about that
04:57<DrSampler>most CD-Rs supports 1x speed
04:57<DrSampler>if media is CDRW, there may be 2x or 4x minimum speed, yes
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05:48<willemb>is there any downsides to installing php-apc on a shared web server (from the debian repository, of course)
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06:52<PatRiixO>olaa alguien'
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06:57<Sarper>simonrvn, me too
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06:59<Sarper>it sucks, I am running the ati support channel here at #debian-ati which means I have to maintain a connection with #ati and #radeon at freenode
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07:07<Sarper>simonrvn, why am I banned in #debian-offtopic in freenode?
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07:07<SynrG>why are you asking this here instead of in priv msg?
07:07<simonrvn>why would i know?
07:08<Sarper>srry SynrG, though it was my pm window
07:08<Sarper>my window layout settings are all messed up
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07:18<Sarper>!Microsoft Windows
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07:19<jthm>!tell sarper about self tell
07:20<jm_>that's not a selftell
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08:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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08:21<luser>postfix quicky (alas quite urgent) - my postfix is spamming me with error emails, and filling my /var - any idea how to shut it up?
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08:21<centurion>Anyone here messed with xrandr 1.3 on dual graphics cards quad head?
08:22<SynrG>luser: messages already queued, or still being sent?
08:22<SynrG>if still being sent, locate the thing sending them and make it stop :) (duh) ...
08:22<SynrG>if queued, the queue can be flushed (but you risk losing good emails)
08:22<SynrG>er, purged, i mean
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08:23<luser>SynrG - this is for incoming mails. As I get spammed massively, this is a huge problem
08:24<luser>SynrG - these are error mails from postfix itself.
08:24<SynrG>so we're not discussing how to remove mails from the queue then. pastebin an error text. i take it you're having a hard time discovering the cause?
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08:27<luser>SynrG - it looks like postfix was sending the mails because /var was full. Thus filling /var even more!
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08:27<SynrG>luser: fun, fun. liberate a large amount of space. problem solved.
08:28<SynrG>as an interim measure, shutdown postfix
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08:30<luser>SynrG - that's what I did. Removing 18000 error mails helped a lot!
08:32<luser>SynrG - but in the long term, however, I don't want it to happen again. Those mails made the problem worse.
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08:33<SynrG>sounds like you need earlier warning that you're getting low on disk space
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08:34<SynrG>numerous monitoring solutions exist
08:34<SynrG>i can't particularly recommend one over any of the others.
08:34<SynrG>(mostly because i'm pretty lazy about checking stuff :)
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08:37<SynrG>There are stopped jobs.
08:37<SynrG>ah, too late for that joke ;)
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08:48<gob_bluth>hi, i need a hand with dpkg, I'm using puppet to install some custom .deb's and i have it checking to see if it's installed or not with: dpkg -l pkgname. the problem is that if iv'e installed it manually, and removed it with dpkg, it still keeps an entry in the dpkg database but with version: <none> -- how do i remove that entry or is there a better way to check if a package is installed?...
08:48<gob_bluth>...(output = yes, nooutput = no)
08:49<ansgar>gob_bluth: Umm, you can't just say package { "foo": ensure => installed }?
08:50<gob_bluth>ansgar: they're custon packages not from repos
08:50<themill>!installed test
08:50<dpkg>To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that "installed" isn't a simple concept -- is the package configured yet? is it actually scheduled for removal? See man dpkg "package states" and "selection states" for more details.
08:50<gob_bluth>custom rather
08:50<ansgar>gob_bluth: But them into your own repository. Maybe the "packages" type takes files as well (not sure).
08:51<gob_bluth>ansgar: then i'd have to manage more systems for repos, it's easy enough to have puppet transfer it and dpkg -i it
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08:54<ansgar>gob_bluth: Then use the "package" type and give it the file. It should be able to do that (maybe you have to switch to the dpkg backend for that).
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08:56<ansgar>gob_bluth: But I think having a custom repository is quite helpful. Sometimes one need bug fixes that are not (yet) in Debian and they can be made available with that.
08:57<gob_bluth>ansgar: i thought of it, but it's just more stuff i have to manage, at the moment puppet is handling it perfectly fine outside of this small issue
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09:02<ml|>* Encoding to flac:
09:02<ml|>$ abcde -o flac
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09:19<themill>Sarper: once again -- please stop filling dpkg with crap.
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09:32<Sarper>themill, once again -- suck my bawlz
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09:34<themill>.o0(there's more than one way to solve this problem)
09:36<SynrG>does the bot have a ban list?
09:37<SynrG>dondelelcaro: ^^
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09:38<themill>SynrG: yes. The bot also ignores people who don't share channels with it.
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09:41<sret>so thee's no security updates
09:41<sret>been a month
09:42<sret>last i did any was in feb 20th or something, since then 0 updates or am i missing something
09:42*themill subscribes sret to d-s-a
09:42<dvs>sret: I think there has been, yes.
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09:43<sret>i looked at the security mailing lists, nothing new though
09:43*sret double checks
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09:44<bones_was_here>my inbox has heaps of DSA's, they're definately happening
09:44<sret>ok latest is march 16th
09:46<themill>i.e. yesterday
09:46<sret>yeah but synaptic just kept telling me my system is up-to-date
09:47<themill>!show sources.list sret
09:47<dpkg>sret: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} ;
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09:51<sret>ive got
09:51<sret>did an aptitude update, safe-upgrade and 0 pkgs installed
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09:53<themill>sret: sounds fine then. Double check things on the list at if you want. In particular, just about every graphical browser has had a security update since release.
09:54<sret>in synaptic update manager > settings" i've checked " install security updates without confirmation"
09:54<sret>that could be it then?
09:54<themill>nfc. haven't used synaptic for a good many years
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09:56<sret>thanks, just wondering though under update maneger, i dont see the mirror mentioned there, but if i open it under vi, it lists it there, why is that?
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09:59<sret>also is it advisable it does auto security updates? or best i be notified first of it?
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10:52<garulf>Hi guys..
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10:52<garulf>What's the best method to install a different kernel version in debian?
10:52<garulf>Compiles a custom kernel?or i can find some official packages around?
10:53<babilen>garulf: What are you trying to achieve? Which version of Debian do you use?
10:53<garulf>I'v testing with 2.6.32 and want 2.6.35
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10:54<garulf>I want to exploit 2.6.35 better support for i-series intel CPU
10:55<babilen>garulf: Well, you could get .37 from sid or .38 from experimental. You have to compile it yourself if you want .35. "/msg dpkg make-kpkg" to learn about how to use make-kpkg and "/msg dpkg kernel compile" to learn about other methods.
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10:55<garulf>babilen: Thanks. And if i want to use .37 from sid the best way is to follow the wiki about configuring a mixed release?
10:56<garulf>babilen: Using pinnig and the other apt stuffs?
10:56<babilen>garulf: Given that you are already taking part in the Debian development process, I would suggest to set the default release to wheezy, add sid and experimental to your sources list and grab the .38 one from experimental.
10:56<babilen>!tell garulf about default release
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10:57<babilen>garulf: Pinning would work as well, but I find it it easier to just set the default release. Note that Synaptic does not respect this setting.
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10:58<garulf>babilen: Thanks a lot!
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10:58<babilen>garulf: I can't really give you more details, but I've heard/read a couple of times that .37 has a number of "quirks" and would therefore suggest to use .38
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10:58<babilen>garulf: You are welcome. May you have a nice day :)
10:59<garulf>babilen: You too :)
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11:07<Seppoz>what pplications are logging in emdebian if the syslog wasnt started?
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11:08<AgentC>TOPiC-CASE WEBCAM RECORDING: I found another tool called "webcamstudio" and seems to be cool, basicly it is provided by debian deb-file but introduction is made for ubuntu. i didnt get it going until now, takes a while in case of my system. i just wanted to inform you about.
11:09<AgentC>TOPiC-CASE WEBCAM RECORDING: There are example videos on youtube.
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11:10<mankeletor>hello there, i just installed squeeze 1 day ago and i don't know to fix the sound issue
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11:12<sney>which sound issue is that
11:12<mankeletor>the sound is like 'jumping'
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11:13<sney>whatdo you mean by jumping?
11:13<AgentC>mankeletor: you mean, sound is scattered? (on/off/on/off) and slower then normally?
11:13<mankeletor>it sounds like a scratched cd
11:14<sney>AgentC: sounds like you've seen this one before.
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11:14<AgentC>mankeletor: a friend of mine had this problem some weeks ago too, we solved it through compiling a newer kernel
11:15<AgentC>sney: yes
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11:15<thewanderer1>try a new ALSA first, it's available in Debian in alsa-source or so
11:15<thewanderer1>it solved a sound problem for me
11:16<AgentC>thewanderer1: i sad to my friend too, but didnt worked. also mplayer was playing but in 1/4 of required sample-frequency
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11:16<sney>there's a 2.6.37 available for debian already, you can download it straight from but I've heard it's not so stable
11:16<thewanderer1>ok, just saying to try the module first because with one might run into new, bleeding-edge bugs :)
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11:18<AgentC>i also running but selfcompiled, if mankeletor tells me what processor is in use (intel?) i can give him a kernel-config for self recompile, if mankeletor using amd he has to setup in menuconfig. my config is alround supporting most hw as module.
11:19<mankeletor>my kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64
11:19<AgentC>i offer, cause i know a individual configure of a kernelcompile takes several hours until compile can run.
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11:20<AgentC>mankeletor: if you want , i can provide you source (from and myconfig file at my server
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11:20<sney>you can also copy the config used for your 2.6.32 and update it for 2.6.37 via 'make oldconfig'
11:20<sney>which is really the recommended method
11:20<Seppoz>vsftpd, proftpd, or pure-ftpd. which is more stable on emdebian and suggested with embedded?
11:20<Black_Prince>Debian provides official configs for all kernels
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11:21<AgentC>sney: aehm i used make-kpkg
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11:21<sney>AgentC: make oldconfig comes first, it just adjusts a text file
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11:21<sney>it's like make menuconfig etc
11:22<jerryclunsford>Is there any way to get to the system/preferences screen resolution without going the menu? My resolution is640x480 and I can not get to the system section on menu.
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11:22<sney>jerryclunsford: you might be able to adjust your resolution with xrandr
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11:23<simonrvn>oldconfig just adjusts the .config for the kernel tree it's in. doesn't run a tui.
11:23<simonrvn>or nui :P
11:23<AgentC>sney: ok mankeletor: shall provide my config? you only have to switch CPU type to AMD all the rest is configured for work with any hardware.
11:23<jthm>jerryclunsford does xrandr offer the option to change to the wanted reolution?
11:24<sney>simonrvn: surely you know what I meant, I was just clarifying for the guy who seemed to think it would supersede make-kpkg
11:24<jerryclunsford>not there yet
11:24<mankeletor>AgentC, it should be great :)
11:24<simonrvn>sney: that's cool, was just an fyi for pople who don't know
11:24<AgentC>mankeletor: ok, just a moment, i'll prepare
11:25<sney>mankeletor: please note that you're on your own for support when you use a kernel you built yourself.
11:25<Black_Prince>Who needs kernel .config for AMD64?
11:25<jerryclunsford>How would you run xrandr I typed it in terminal and got all the different resolutions that is it.
11:25<sney>jerryclunsford: man xrandr
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11:27<AgentC>mankeletor: 2 files, the one is the kernel std source, the other _config is ".config" file for source-directory
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11:28<simonrvn>cat got your tongue?
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11:28<mankeletor>should i compile 2.6.38?
11:28<mankeletor>im using nvidia modules too
11:28<AgentC>mankeletor: notice, unpack source to /usr/src , then make symlink "linux" points to extracted directory. copy _config file to ".config" in the new source dir.
11:28<jerryclunsford>I assume the switch --fb widthXheight would change it.
11:28<AgentC>2.6.38 is experimental isnt it ?
11:29<sney>AgentC: yes
11:29<AgentC> is stable
11:29<Black_Prince>2.6.38 is released ... It's so far so good
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11:29<Black_Prince>But still in mainline development
11:29<sney>mankeletor: if you want to build it yourself that's all well and good, but this is easier:§ion=all
11:29<babilen>AgentC: 2.6.38 has been released as stable. It is currently *packaged* in experimental though.
11:30<Black_Prince>I use it
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11:31<sney>mankeletor: since it's a kernel package you can just download it and dpkg -i. it won't replace your existing kernel, just appear next to it in grub.
11:32<AgentC>mankeletor: in anycase what version ever you have to install some dev-tools to get it compiling. (such gcc, g++, autoconf, bison, kernalpackage (tool for compile), and so on....)
11:32<sney>build-essential will cover most of that
11:32<sney>also, g++ is not required for kernel compiles as none of the linux kernel is written in c++.
11:33<mankeletor>good! that packages are already instaled :)
11:34<AgentC>mankeletor: when finished unpacking, use "make menuconfig" to adjust configuration before compile. after that's done, just type "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-mycompile1 kernel_image"
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11:35<AgentC>mankeletor: after compile (takes some hours) there is a deb package in /usr/src , just install it by dpkg -i packagename.deb
11:35<Black_Prince>AgentC what value you set Refresh Frequency to?
11:37<AgentC>Black_Prince: Frequency of what? CPU?->standard
11:38<Black_Prince>CONFIG_HZ= ?
11:38<Black_Prince>I set mine to 1000
11:38<Black_Prince>I don't know
11:39<Black_Prince>I tought I will have better performance
11:39<Black_Prince>But it seems it's worse ...
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11:39<AgentC>it looks like cpu-bus-frequency, isnt it?
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11:40<AgentC>maximum dram is saw was clocked at 366 MHZ
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11:41<Black_Prince>My cpu bus effective frequency is 533MHz
11:41<Black_Prince>If that is what you are talking about
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11:42<AgentC>mankeletor: i saw in log, u r using 64bit architecture, so u also have to setup to 64bit support in menuconfig
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11:42<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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11:43<Black_Prince>AgentC have you ever used .config from ?
11:43<AgentC>dpkg_ thank you for correction my language :) i'll mind about !
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11:43<mankeletor>AgentC, that's right.. so i need to have lib-qt3-dev too for make xconfig?
11:43<AgentC>Black_Prince: nope
11:44<Black_Prince>These are official kernel configs for all kernels that were available in debian repository, and for all architectures
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11:44<AgentC>mankeletor: dunno, never tried, i only use menuconfig , so ncurses-menu on console.
11:45<Black_Prince>AgentC have a look if you want
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11:45<AgentC>Black_Prince: i took a look some minutes ago, could be usefull.
11:46<Black_Prince>Oh did I give the link before?
11:46<Black_Prince>give you*
11:46<AgentC>Black_Prince: i customized my config in case of cpu settings (dualcore) and so on, that's why i sad to mankeletor that he needs to adjust it before compile.
11:47<AgentC>Black_Prince: yep, link was before in channel
11:47<Black_Prince>Oh, I started to forget things
11:47<AgentC>but i saved as bookmark for later...
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11:49<jerryclunsford>I tried xrandr -fb 1024x768 (and two other resolutions) all I get is a list of switches like the help.
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11:50<AgentC>mankeletor: please tell me when download is complete to let me remove the files from webserving
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11:52<mankeletor>90% :)
11:52<AgentC>mankeletor: my custom kernel is compiled about 6.7 MB sized (vmlinuz)
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11:54<jthm>megalitic vs monolitic kernel?
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11:54<AgentC>mankeletor: do you use wget ? i mostly do in case of downloads cause its possible to continue when it was breaked through disconnect or something else
11:54<mankeletor>is it always better to make-kpkg instead the classic make; make modules_install; make headers_install; make install; sudo mkinitramfs -c -k <myversion>; sudo update-grub?
11:55<AgentC>mankeletor: yepp, make-kpkg
11:55<AgentC>mankeletor: needs some parameters for correct compile
11:55<jerryclunsford>Is there a better forum to get help with screen resolution? I am not familiar with xrandr, looked though the man page and it appears that xrandr -fb 1024x768 should work but the resolution is unchanged and I get a help list of option switches.
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11:56<mankeletor>AgentC, download done
11:56<jthm>jerryclunsford doesn't xrandr use double dashes?
11:56<AgentC>[16:34] <AgentC> mankeletor: when finished unpacking, use "make menuconfig" to adjust configuration before compile. after that's done, just type "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-mycompile1 kernel_image"
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11:56<thewanderer1>jerryclunsford: xrandr -s 1024x768 if I read your intention (to set the screen size) correctly
11:56<AgentC>[16:35] <AgentC> mankeletor: after compile (takes some hours) there is a deb package in /usr/src , just install it by dpkg -i packagename.deb
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11:56<AgentC>mankeletor: ok, i'll remove from server now
11:57<jerryclunsford>Tried it once with double dashes. will try again;
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11:58<jerryclunsford>Same result, do I need to log out or something
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11:58<AgentC>mankeletor: dont forget to adjust CPU settings in "make menuconfig" !!
11:58<jerryclunsford>Wait actually I didn't get the options list.
11:59<mankeletor>squeeze starts very fast compared to ubuntu :)
11:59<AgentC>mankeletor specially 64bit option!
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12:02<mehdi_>how do u deactivate or active ur wireless card?
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12:03<mankeletor>i use madwifi for wireless
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12:05<jerryclunsford>the wanderer1 I tried that too. do I need to have gdm shut down
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12:08<jerryclunsford>thewanderer1 Thanks it worked the second time I tried it tried it once earlier but it didn't work.
12:08<jerryclunsford>jthm Thanks for the help got it.
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12:17<munga>any ipv6 expert here ? I've a public ipv4 / ipv6 address on my eth0 and on eth1 I've a natter private network on ipv4. How can I assign public ipv6 addresses to all hosts on my private network ? shall I use radvd ?
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12:28<Emery>What's nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 ?
12:29<babilen>,info nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686
12:29<judd>Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 (non-free/kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.32-5-686. Version: 195.36.31+2+4+2.6.32-24; Size: 3351.9k; Installed: 10712k; Homepage:
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12:30<Emery>Isit the deb kernel with nvidia modules?
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12:30<SynrG>it's not the kernel
12:30<babilen>Emery: I would recommend to use the -dkms packages though. nvidia-glx is also a method (and should pull in what is needed such as the package above)
12:30<dpkg>Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
12:30<SynrG>Emery: read the description judd emitted above.
12:30<Emery>I'm trying to install nvida 173xx legacy but i can some reason
12:30<Emery>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
12:30<Emery> nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-6.0 but it is not installable
12:30<Emery>E: Broken packages
12:31<babilen>Emery: Let me guess: You are *not* using Squeeze, but some development release of Debian?
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12:31<babilen>Emery: Try the nvidia-kernel-dkms package
12:31<Emery>yeah i'm using sid
12:31<babilen>Emery: What "maybe" you do or you don't
12:32<towo`>legacy-173xx is broken since xserver 1.9.x
12:32<babilen>Emery: Well, you should know how to deal with this. Downgrade the x server, wait it out, or use a stable and supported version.
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12:32<Emery>Well it's not really the end of the world
12:32<babilen>Emery: Situations like this happen in sid :)
12:32<Emery>I think Xorg is using the NV driver
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12:33<towo`>xserver-xorg-video-nv is gone
12:33<Emery>the nouveau then
12:33<Emery>it works just fine
12:33<towo`>then be lucky
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12:55<oskie>if a server's linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 is upgraded from 2.6.26-21lenny2 to 2.6.26-26lenny2, is a reboot recommended?
12:55<Emery>Well you have to reboot to boot into that kernel dont you ?
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12:57<ompaul>oskie: it would be wrong not to as you would have modules loading not built against that kernel in some future kernels that is being addressed but not commonplace yet
12:58<oskie>ompaul: I didn't get a warning during update though. You normally get that if that's the case, dont you?
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12:58<ompaul>oskie: I put it to you that you missed it, and frankly if you have kernel changes then a reboot is normal
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13:11<duyet>co ai nguoi viet nam ko
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13:13<n3lab>i have trouble with my mp3 player. i can't mount it (debian 6)
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13:13<n3lab>error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program
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13:14<n3lab>can anybody help me?
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13:15<n3lab>[ 1284.320440] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
13:15<n3lab>[ 1285.396779] UDF-fs: No anchor found
13:15<n3lab>[ 1285.396793] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
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13:22<retrospectacus>n3lab: edit /etc/fstab - it has a CDROM line there that should not be there
13:22<retrospectacus>(for /dev/sdb)
13:22<n3lab>in uncommented
13:23<n3lab>i have /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
13:23<n3lab>flash is mp3 player formatted to fat
13:23<retrospectacus>remove or comment that out of the file
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13:23<retrospectacus>then re-plug. should "just work"
13:23<n3lab>ok wait plz
13:23<retrospectacus>yes REMOVE that line
13:24<retrospectacus>or prepend a # (comment)
13:24<retrospectacus>did you install from a usb?
13:24<n3lab>it works!
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13:24<retrospectacus>if so, remove that line, it's erroneous
13:25<n3lab>yap i install debian from usb :) thanks :)
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13:33<mercutio42>so I read I can set a user's email address in an environment variable called MAIL. export MAIL=email@someserver. Will that be persistent across reboots?
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13:33<retrospectacus>put it in ~/.bashrc or /etc/profile or so
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13:34<retrospectacus>(the export statement)
13:34<mercutio42>retrospectacus: thanks.. I suspected that.
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13:38<SynrG>i have a question for #debian helpers:
13:38<SynrG> contains some dated info about other places (than #debian) to get irc help ...
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13:38<SynrG>#linpeople is indeed registered on OFTC but has population 0. this tip undoubtedly dates back to when pointed at freenode
13:38<ompaul>SynrG: can you ask it on one line
13:39<sney>haha oh snap
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13:39<SynrG>so the question is, how should that paragraph read?
13:39<SynrG>i'm prepared to make the necessary changes to that page myself, but need details.
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13:40<newb>hello, my account at server is over quota, but the files of my user are under quota. I think there are some other file to my user in some place with wrong owner, How can I discover where is this file?
13:40<ompaul>SynrG: did you check if it exists still on freenode ... if so then why not put in or else delete it
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13:40<sney>if you can't find the answers you need in #debian, you're outta luck! (serious answer: if you can't find the answers you need in #debian, try again later, or if you're asking about a specific application, <something about finding appropriate irc channels)
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13:40<happyaron>why don't we have dpkg staticly linked?
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13:41<SynrG>sney: thanks, yes ... that's more the kind of feedback i was looking for.
13:41<SynrG>ompaul: it does indeed. it's just, i have no relationship with those people. so do i want to be dumping our rejects to a different network to a channel i can't vouch for?
13:42<SynrG>sorry, "rejects" is harsh "unfortunately timed questions" is probably more to the point
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13:42<ompaul>SynrG: so delete it - if someone feels it is appropriate then they can put it back in
13:43<ompaul>SynrG: then you can get into the bestest thing - an edit war
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13:43*ompaul grins
13:43<SynrG>ok. also, i'm a relative newcomer here (or re-newcomer, since i used to hang out here in the 90's ;) ...
13:43<SynrG>so i don't really know what *in practice* you guys do
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13:44<sney>well, you've fit in better than some of the noobs I could mention (but won't)
13:44<ompaul>SynrG: the justification for removing it ime is that that the channel in question is not "in use" on
13:44<SynrG>what you people do, i should say (did not mean to use gendered language there)
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13:44<ompaul>sney: such as me :P
13:44<SynrG>remove just the one, or all three?
13:45<ompaul>SynrG: I see sney's answer "! (serious answer: if you can't find the answers you need in #debian, try again later, or if you're asking about a specific application, <something about finding appropriate irc channels>
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13:45<ompaul>SynrG: and that is fairly productive
13:45<SynrG>i'll go with that, then.
13:46<sney>"try again later" is really the best advice, since often we'll provide the redirects to more targeted channels anyway
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13:46<SynrG>when i'm done work i'll draft something and link here for review, k?
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13:59<Hawky>cannot access any webside with an IP starting 192.*.*.* and I have no idea with. I pasted more info to
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14:00<sney>Hawky: what's the output of 'route'
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14:01<Lethalman>Hawky, what's your netmask?
14:01<sney>yeah, 'route' and 'ifconfig' both, I suppose
14:01<Hawky>route ->
14:01<Hawky>my netmask is
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14:02<mehdi_>how can i sync my htc? its legend model
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14:02<Hawky>ifconfig >
14:03<sney>and ppp0 is your inet connection?
14:04<Hawky>ps, this is all from the router
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14:04<thewanderer1>Hawky: please show us the contents of `route -n`, without symbolic names
14:04<sney>yeah, I just realized that
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14:05<thewanderer1>I suspect a network naming problem... where localnet would be ill-defined
14:06<Hawky>route -n >
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14:07<thewanderer1>Hawky: ok, disable firewall, try again
14:08<thewanderer1>this looks like an iptables problem rather than routing
14:09<Hawky>thewanderer1: the firewall also setups my routing so by diabling it I will have no access anymore. Have to grep me a small iptables cript first
14:10<thewanderer1>Hawky: if you don't know how to make iptables run correctly, install sth like "ipmasq" (Debian package) so that it configures NAT for you - also conflicts with any firewall, so disable the latter. that's what I used when I first put up a Debian router.
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14:12<sney>I'm really a fan of Shorewall for iptables configuration as well. Doesn't remove any of the functionality but the configs are a lot more human-readable.
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14:14<Hawky>read about shorewall as well but finally decided to go with arno-iptables-firewall as it looked easier to setup
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14:15<thewanderer1>I use Shorewall at home and a few production servers - suggestion seconded
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14:17<thewanderer1>if you really set arno-iptables-firewall to block all outgoing packets that go to, then something's broken :P
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14:19<Hawky>thewanderer1: I only opened some more ports on arno's, everything else is dpkg-reconfigure but maybe I choose wrong optiosn
14:20<thewanderer1>ok well, maybe your client workstation has fscked up routes?
14:20<thewanderer1>Windows is notorious for not clearing its routing table... it grows a mess until reboot
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14:20<babilen>fwbuilder is worth a look too fwiw
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14:21<Hawky>are you sure ipmaq exists in squeeze? aptitude search ipmasq finds nothign and finds nothing as well
14:21<amitz>ooh, that's why a reboot can magically fix network problem, heh
14:21<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384.
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14:22<Hawky>the problem occurs both on windows on linux, even on my mobile phone
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14:22<thewanderer1>ok, then it's the firewall...
14:22<thewanderer1>go grab a fast and dirty NAT script :P
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14:26<grummund_>Hi, How can i get a list of all non-free packages installed on a system?
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14:27<themill>grummund_: aptitude search '~i~snon-free' ; /msg dpkg aptitude search
14:27<retrospectacus>grummund_: package called vrms
14:27<retrospectacus>,info vrms
14:27<judd>Package vrms (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: virtual Richard M. Stallman. Version: 1.15; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 100k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
14:28<ompaul>retrospectacus: that is a buggy piece of rubbish - it gets lots wrong
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14:28<retrospectacus>oh thanks
14:28<retrospectacus>never tried it
14:28<ompaul>it is banned from gnewsense ;-)
14:29<themill>ompaul: for technical reasons or ...?
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14:29<ompaul>themill: for being wrong
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14:29<Seppoz>where in debain can i disable the dhclient on boot?
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14:30<petemc>Seppoz: /etc/network/interfaces
14:30<retrospectacus>Seppoz: man interfaces
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14:30<ompaul>themill: it does nothing more than check repo that is not a "free vs" up til now - there was a lot of work on copyright in debian and elsewhere recently (see the demise for a while of dropbox)
14:30<retrospectacus>oh help for retrospectacus time
14:30<retrospectacus>how to trim off just the ending \n within a pipeline?
14:30<retrospectacus>I have: stuff|tr "\n" '|' | egrep -i "$(cat -)" /some/files
14:30<ompaul>vs = version
14:30<retrospectacus>but there winds up being a trailing | on the pattern
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14:31<ompaul>retrospectacus: your file ends with a \n so this is to be expected I guess - not as helpful as it might be but I'm thinking (just in case no one else is faster)
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14:32<ompaul>retrospectacus: or I'm misreading your question
14:32<themill>ompaul: that's all an automated tool is ever going to be able to do though -- look at what section of the archive it is in (same as that aptitude search I suggested). And vrms would have told you that the dropbox client was non-free anyway, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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14:33<retrospectacus>ompaul: here is the entire pipeline, maybe there is a better way in general
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14:34<retrospectacus>wait I need to find it
14:35<ompaul>themill: if we accept that the repos are best effort (which we do) then it is kind of pointless - time and again various programs get into main that shouldn't but nowadays it is harder for software that shouldn't be there to get in - more a commentary on what is free vs what is not and the community effort to "brand correctly"
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14:41<retrospectacus>ompaul: zgrep -v CRON /var/log/auth.log* |grep failure |awk '{print $14}' |cut -d= -f2|sort|uniq|grep -v '^$'|tr "\n" '|' | egrep -i "$(cat -)" /var/log/auth.log* |egrep -i 'success|accept'
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14:42<retrospectacus>it is finding IPs who have failed to auth, and searching for successes by those IPs
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14:42<retrospectacus>it *almost* works but the 2nd last egrep pattern has a trailing |
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14:45<Hawky>thewanderer1: I just cannot get the nat script to work
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14:45<thewanderer1>Hawky: generally, one NAT line into MASQUERADE should suffice...
14:46<Hawky>thewanderer1: I tried that but I always end up without access to my machine for some reasons
14:46<mercutio42>I am trying to send an email from the command line with the mail command but I think its failing. I did echo 'this is a test' | mail -s 'testing cmdline mail'
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14:46<mercutio42>Should this work?
14:46<thewanderer1>Hawky: clear all tables, then: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
14:47<retrospectacus>mercutio42, yes. check /var/log/mail.log
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14:47<Hawky>I try that ( I tried this up to now only with ppp0 and eth0)
14:48<thewanderer1>Hawky: please paste the exact commands
14:49<thewanderer1>too many errors result from saying "just like this, only with this instead" when people can just paste the real thing
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14:54<mehdi_>anyone know any thing about htc syncing?
14:54<babilen>mehdi_: #android on freenode would also be a good place to ask
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14:55<mercutio42>retrospectacus: nothing there unfortunately except for spamd messages
14:56<mehdi_>there is no one there in that channel
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14:57<babilen>mehdi_: there are 411 people in there. Are you sure you tried the channel on (*not* this network (which is OFTC))
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14:58<mehdi_>seems oim in the wrong server
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15:00<babilen>mehdi_: /connect ; /join #android
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15:00<mehdi_>it says i cannot join
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15:00<Hawky>thewanderer1: for some reasons this does not work, how do I flush the rules correctly? all I tried fored me to hard reset my router
15:01<thewanderer1>Hawky: you've flushed the rules correctly. are you sure that your policies are set to ACCEPT, though?
15:01<thewanderer1>set it to ACCEPT by default first, then flush
15:02<babilen>mehdi_: You, only registered user may join. See for details
15:03<Hawky>thewanderer1: basically iptables -A eth0 -j ACCEPT ?
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15:03<thewanderer1>Hawky: no, iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
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15:04<thewanderer1>the same for all other chains, which will prevent it from cutting off connectivity
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15:06<Hawky>thewanderer1: okay, now I have arno disabled and still access
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15:06<thewanderer1>good, now fire up the masquerade
15:06<Hawky>thewanderer1: and now I can access the 192.*.*.* addresses
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15:06<Hawky>thewanderer1: I didthis already
15:07<thewanderer1>ok, so it was the firewall
15:07<Hawky>it looks like that
15:07<thewanderer1>if you got this far, you should probably resign from the "arno" iptables script and write your own, becoming a Netfilter guru :P
15:08<thewanderer1>at least you'll know what's going on
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15:09<Hawky>thx ^^ I will think about it or maybe start with shorewall but to prevent this from happening again, whom should I tell about this? arno-iptables-firewall's mailinglist seems to be dead
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15:12<thewanderer1>I don't know, I've never used this arno thing...
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15:13<thewanderer1>Shorewall is its own research topic, much like iptables... in fact, it is just as complex (but makes it *simple* to achieve *simple* setups) and implements probably more features than the iptables tool itself. you might not need it at home, or prepare for adjusting yourself to it if you do decide to use it
15:14<Hawky>okay, I will think about it and thanks for all your help and time!
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15:19<tomm>I have used a command line on kernel: acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=linux
15:19<tomm>but this doesn't help
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15:51*kop_ generally prefers ferm to shorewall
15:51<jhutchins_lt>kop_: How's it different?
15:52*babilen is still using plain iptables :)
15:52<babilen>kop_: but yeah, elaborate please
15:52<jhutchins_lt>I put shorewall on a box just to have a quick way to ban problem IP's.
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15:55<xpdt>Hello can someone help me.
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15:56<hlovew>where are u from
15:56<ompaul>sney: ddos the bot?
15:56<babilen>xpdt: Sure, just ask your question
15:56<sney>ompaul: apparently.
15:56<fgh>what package to get consolemouse?
15:57<babilen>hlovew: This is not a social channel, but one meant to provide technical support for Debian users. You might be looking for #moocows or one of the million other chat/social channels on IRC --
15:57<xpdt>i have a Toshiba l650, and i just can simply plug the headphones and automaticly mute the PC sound.
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15:57<babilen>fgh: You might be thinking of "gpm"
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15:57<babilen>xpdt: wonderful
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15:58<xpdt>I searched through all the web and seems that there isn't a simple way to do this with debian squezze.
15:58<babilen>s/can/can't/ ;)
15:58<xpdt>at least with this version of alsa
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15:59<fgh>i did babilen, thank you
15:59<babilen>fgh: great, have a nice day!
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16:01<xpdt>sorry the sentences was: i have a Toshiba l650, and i just can't simply plug the headphones and automaticly mute the PC sound.
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16:01<ompaul>xpdt: do your head phones work when you plug them in?
16:02<ompaul>xpdt: did you use alsamixer?
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16:02<xpdt>usually i just edited alsa conf and solved the problem
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16:03<xpdt>i installed almost anything that have somethint to do with alsa.
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16:03<jhutchins_lt>xpdt: Some sound systems just don't do that. Sometimes it's software, sometimes it's a physical connection at the headphone jack, and sometimes there is no way for the software to know if headphones are plugged in or not.
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16:03<jhutchins_lt>xpdt: Sometimes you just have to mute the speakers manually.
16:04<xpdt>i understand.
16:04<xpdt>toshiba company doesnt help too much
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16:05<xpdt>is there a simple way to upgrade alsa.
16:05<xpdt>is there a simple way to upgrade alsa.?
16:06<jthm>xpdt find out the pciid and google on that + jack sense
16:06<leenuxx>hi, can i ask the same question in two channels?
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16:07<sney>xpdt: you can get a slight upgrade if you rebuild it with module-assistant
16:08<xpdt>i even tride linuxant driver but didn't worked.
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16:08<sney>linuxant? isn't that for winmodems?
16:09<xpdt>they have driver for sound too
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16:09<mehdi_>is wifi diffrent with wireless?
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16:11<sney>mehdi_: wifi is one type of wireless networking
16:11<xpdt>The sound board is Conexant CX20671 SmartAudio HD
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16:12<jhutchins_lt>xpdt: pciid?
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16:13<jhutchins_lt>leenuxx: better to stick to one - you mean here and freenode?
16:13<xpdt>sorry one moment
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16:15<fgh>eh, i change ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-3]" and FONTSIZE="18" in /etc/default/console-setup but nothing changes. not even at boot?
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16:16<brohelm>what package manager should one learn if they are new to Debian?
16:16<xpdt>i believe that is this 80863b56
16:17<sney>brohelm: aptitude
16:17<brohelm>kk ty
16:17<arand>brohelm: GUI or cli?
16:17<sney>,pciid 8086:3b56
16:17<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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16:17<brohelm>or cli idk, either way
16:18<arand>brohelm: cli aptitude, gui synaptic, mt opinion.
16:18<xpdt>yes judd
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16:20<jhutchins_lt>xpdt: 8086:xxxx is intel.
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16:22<jhutchins_lt>I have yet to see a distro where package management in the GUI wasn't a LOT slower and clumsier than CLI.
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16:22<jhutchins_lt>xpdt: However, at least judd agrees that it's a sound device.
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16:23<xpdt>well, seems that i will wait for weezzy
16:23<xpdt>or upgrade alsa, seems that work for some people.
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16:27<reklipz>Hey folks. I have an image of a yaffs2 partition that I would like to mount (or at least view/extract). Am I correct in understanding that Debian Squeeze doesn't have yaffs2 support in the kernel?
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16:32*devil has never heard of yaffs
16:33<reklipz>yet another flash file system II, I believe
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16:34<petemc>reklipz: the config file for the packaged kernel is in /boot/ , you can grep to see which options are enabled
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16:35<reklipz>grep -R -i yaffs /boot/* -- nada
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16:40<sney>what's that, yet another flash file system? (guess)
16:40<bluenemo>is there an equivalet for the ubuntu-restricted-extras package on ubuntu? sth like a meta package for all the multimedia stuff, flash and so on
16:40<sney>bluenemo: no, flash is by itself and a lot of the multimedia stuff is kept out of debian (see
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16:43<bluenemo>ah ok thx guys
16:43<ompaul> what was the tool to get the alt bot to reply
16:43<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
16:43<ompaul>we have dpkg ... missed the bot coming back there
16:43<ompaul>!tell bluenemo about mm
16:44<ompaul>!tell bluenemo about dmm
16:44<ompaul>sorry /me will shut up now
16:46<jhutchins_lt>The adobe flash installer is in non-free, not dmm.
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16:47<jhutchins_lt>Is it? Moves around.
16:47<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
16:47<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3
16:47<bluenemo>ompaul, he told me nothing :) but i know about all that stuff, i'm quite experienced with debian but i just thought i'd ask about such a package..
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16:47<bluenemo>but i'll find my way from here, thx a lot for trying to help ompaul
16:47<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Most "downloaders" that are itself free software are in contrib.
16:48<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, free, being just a script.
16:48<ompaul>bluenemo: np
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16:48<jhutchins_lt>bluenemo: You know about dmm?
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16:51<bluenemo>jhutchins, dmm?
16:51<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
16:51<bluenemo>ah debian mutlimedia yes of course
16:51<bluenemo>this !dmm is quite cool guys :) really helpfull
16:51<bluenemo>do you guys know axi-cache?
16:52<SynrG>dmm is not entirely without its faults. i have by times had some pretty horrible breakages of all things media-related by mixing in dmm :p
16:53<themill>yes, ABI compatibility is not something that is considered very often...
16:53<SynrG>so if i can do without dmm, i do.
16:53<bluenemo>:) i only know it from stuff like libdvdcss2 and stuff
16:53<themill>("dmm" is a rude word for pkg-multimedia maintainers)
16:53<SynrG>that's a fairly safe install ...
16:54<jhutchins_lt>SynrG: Do you run stable?
16:54<SynrG>sid, mostly.
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16:54<SynrG>(i'm a debian developer)
16:54<jhutchins_lt>Well you can hardly blame dmm then.
16:55<SynrG>actually, i can. the problems were entirely caused by dmm disregarding abi compatibility
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16:55<SynrG>i ended up with some programs, like performous, showing as linked to two versions of the same library via ldd
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16:55<themill>jhutchins_lt: you should see how many bits in the bts are closed with "remove all the dmm crap and your problem will go away"
16:56<SynrG>and i would have had exactly the same issue had i been using a pure testing system
16:56<SynrG>of course, i knew better than to bring the problem here. i basically did what themill just said.
16:56<SynrG>and it solved it
16:56<SynrG>it was *very* tedious work, though.
16:56<sney>I only allow dmm on my one machine that streams video throughout my house
16:57<sney>(because ps3 media server needs certain things left out of mencoder)
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16:57<jhutchins_lt>I guess I've been lucky so far, but then again I stick with stable.
16:58<SynrG>i would have to check with stable users on that. i'm not sure even running stable prevents such issues with dmm :p
16:58<SynrG>or i should say prevents *all* such issues. i'm sure it helps with some
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17:11<retrospectacus>how can I disable remote path tab-completion when typing an scp command?
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17:12<themill>retrospectacus: you'd need to redefine the _scp function in your shell.
17:14<retrospectacus>redefine how? to what?
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17:14<retrospectacus>type scp -> scp is /usr/bin/scp
17:15<retrospectacus>/usr/bin/scp: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, etc
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17:16<themill>retrospectacus: "type _scp" it's a shell function loaded from the bash completion package that defines how tab completion for the scp command works.
17:17<retrospectacus>I see... where is the function defined?
17:19<themill>you could redefine it in your .bashrc (after you source the bash completion stuff)
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17:27<retrospectacus>I'll try it, thanks.
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17:34<retrospectacus>now I cannot use local tab-completion... :\
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17:47<retrospectacus>themill: what might I put into my redefined function like "return _tab_complete($*) or so"
17:48<retrospectacus>err )" or so
17:48<hell_>is any one here?
17:48<themill>retrospectacus: nfc... I've never looked at that carefully enough to think about it
17:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
17:48<themill>hell_: no
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17:49<retrospectacus>themill, should I ask #bash? Or is this someone else's domain
17:49<themill>bash completion is maintained separately to bash, but they should know more, yes
17:50<rss>Hi all
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18:10<grummund_>Hi, the ntp.conf file supplied with ntp package has 'noquery' in the default restrict lines
18:10<grummund_>but it seems that the server is 'open' to queries, how come?
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18:24<crisyelit>buenas tardes a todos
18:24<crisyelit>acabo de instalar debian squeeze y necesito ayuda con la instalacion de los paguetes
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18:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:27<sney>de nada
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18:35<bighornram>I'm unable to edit m4a tags with easytag-aac. Can anyone suggest why this would be?
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18:59<grummund_>is there a public /usr/share/doc/... that can be referenced for html documentation?
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19:08<babilen>grummund_: What about /usr/local/share/doc ?
19:08<grummund_>babilen: what about it?
19:09<babilen>grummund_: sounds like a good place to place non-system documentation
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19:09<grummund_>yes, but that wasn't the question ;)
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19:11<babilen>i misunderstood your question in that case. I thought you wanted to know a good place in /usr/share/doc where you can place your own html documentation
19:11<grummund_>no sorry
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19:12<Arrowmaster>grummund_: you want something like is for manpages but for stuff in /usr/share/doc right?
19:12<grummund_>i meant is debian /usr/share/doc/... shared publicly online anywhere?
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19:14<babilen>grummund_: I am not aware of such a service. Doesn't mean that it does not exist. You could make it available yourself though. There are packages like dwww that serve it via http
19:14<grummund_>i know
19:14<grummund_>hmm, seems to be such a place
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19:38<bluenemo>i've set my swap partition in /etc/crypttab like " sda2_crypt /dev/sda2 /etc/keys/sda2.luks luks,swap " but it is still asking me for a keyphrase at startup.. the root partition (which contains /etc/keys/sda2.luks) is the first line in crypttab.. /etc/keys is permission 400 and the keyfile itself is 400 as well.. what am i doing wrong?
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19:48<grummund_>should a default install of apache2 serve up /doc to localhost?
19:50<themill>grummund_: yes, see /etc/apache2/sites-available/default for the Alias that configures that behaviour.
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19:53<grummund_>themill: yes i found that, and afaict a default install should serve up /doc
19:53<grummund_>but it doesn't
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19:54<retrospectacus>I have a strange situation I cannot decipher. I installed figlet. It works fine as root, but as normal user running it says bash: figlet: command not found
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19:54<themill>grummund_: http://localhost/doc/ not http://localhost/doc
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19:54<themill>retrospectacus: "hash -r"
19:54<retrospectacus>it's /usr/bin/figlet -> /etc/alternatives/figlet -> /usr/bin/figlet-figlet
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19:55<retrospectacus>themill, what's that?
19:55<retrospectacus>as root: file /usr/bin/figlet-figlet /usr/bin/figlet-figlet: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
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19:55<retrospectacus>as user that outputs /usr/bin/figlet-figlet: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/bin/figlet-figlet'
19:55<themill>retrospectacus: tells your shell to forget the fact that it couldn't find the executable last time you asked
19:56<retrospectacus>themill: I see.. well it didn't help :(
19:56<themill>oh... that sounds rather different
19:56<retrospectacus>ohhh nm I am an idiot
19:57<retrospectacus>I am looking at 2 different machines :(
19:57<themill>two different machines?
19:57*retrospectacus shoots self
19:57<grummund_>themill: ah, now that's sneaky.
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19:57<themill>dpkg, shoot retrospectacus
19:57*dpkg blows retrospectacus away with a German Luger
19:57<sney>I didn't know he could do that.
19:57<retrospectacus>dpkg: thank you
19:57<dpkg>bitte, retrospectacus
19:58<babilen>good choice :)
20:02<AgentC>;) hey, i helped some hours ago someone named mankeletor to compile kernel , i left chat-recognizing after his compile for success started, did he said something about in the time ? (19:00-till now 1:02) ?
20:03*AgentC sorry type
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20:03<sney>I didn't see anything about it
20:04<AgentC>sney, ok, i spent more than 2 hours, so i would like to it works or not :-) maybe, but he have my emailadress, so maybe he's mailing me. :-) was a nice dude....
20:05<sney>I hope it fixes his sound problem.
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20:09<AgentC>sney, dunno really, on a friend that solution worked, it wasnt an alsa or hw-prob in that case. imho this apears when irc and dma handlers do not work correctly or fast enough through double-assignment.... i hope for that works. but in any case is OK and with that kind of configuration it should be a quit fast machine ! :)
20:10<grummund_>is there any way to get apache to serve /doc without trailing slash, and is there a good reason why debian doesn't do this by default?
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20:10<sney>he really jumped into that kernel recompile without trying any of the other suggestions. I just hope you didn't set him up for disappointment after all the time invested
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20:11<themill>grummund_: remove the / at the end of both parts of the alias definition; no idea why not to do this automatically.
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20:13<grummund_>themill: i tried that but it still only works with trailing slash
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20:14<themill>grummund_: you presumably restarted apache in between
20:15<grummund_>themill: well, reload yes
20:15<grummund_>googling suggests "rewrite" is needed, but i didn't see anything that specifically addresses the problem
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20:22<grummund_>themill: oh well, i fixed it with: ln -s /usr/share/doc /var/www/doc
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20:37<jhutchins_lt>grummund_: A folder name without a trailing slash is not a legitimate URL.
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20:38<grummund_>jhutchins_lt: yes i know
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20:48<flaccid>do i have to include /dev/pts or /sys and such as mount in fstab for on boot? it seems they are already mounted and it kind of complains in the console output...
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20:48<sney>flaccid: no, they just mount automatically
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20:49<flaccid>sney: thanks. probably a best practice to still have in fstab right but? and just take out automount in the options?
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20:49<sney>if you want
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20:51<flaccid>and this is devpts and sysfs, what about tmpfs?
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20:52<sney>basically you're putting entries in fstab in the unlikely event that those things somehow come unmounted
20:52<sney>so do whatever you want, because that's not going to happen with normal usage
20:52<flaccid>yep thats the idea
20:52<flaccid>root is the only 'mandatory' one right?
20:53<sney>right, root and any separate important partitions you may have, such as /usr
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20:54<flaccid>sweet as and thanks again. this makes me happy because it will remove those 'already mounted' messages
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20:57<flaccid>sney: its just noauto option right?
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20:58<flaccid>sney: thanks. is defaults,noauto valid to use defaults + no auto mount on boot?
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20:59<slush>a good read of `man mount` wouldnt hurt, I guess
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21:00<flaccid>slush, sney: couldn't find any mention of that in there..
21:00<sney>there is also a manpage for fstab
21:01<sney>and all sorts of other stuff
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21:01<flaccid>defaults is not mentioned there either or this situation; not that i can find
21:01<sney>ok well just treat it like any other device you don't want to automoutn
21:01<sney>learn from context
21:01<sney>and try it and see
21:01<flaccid>i'lll give it a shot
21:02<slush>flaccid: you can search in manpages using a slash (/) following the keyword you're looking for
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21:02<flaccid>thats what i have been doing
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21:02<slush>flaccid: searching for 'defaults' should give you information
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21:02<flaccid>pattern not found
21:03<planet8>What is the "debian way" to enforce password specifics on users?
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21:03<slush>flaccid: in the manpage of mount there are several references
21:03<planet8>Lenght, complexity, etc.
21:03<flaccid>hmm wierd
21:04<flaccid>nps, y0
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21:07<planet8>never mind, found the pam unix info in the manual
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21:08<slush>planet8: there are several ways to have it your way, I'm not sure about Debian's defaults tho
21:08<flaccid>i need to disable pcsprk/stop it from loading on init/boot, i.e. how can i do this?
21:08<planet8>slush, apparently it's using libpam-cracklib
21:09<sney>flaccid: put it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
21:09<flaccid>i think i may of tried that, let me check
21:09<sney>also, that message on boot is a warning and can be ignored. I get it too
21:09<slush>planet8: yeah, I think it does by default
21:10<flaccid>i just don't want it there :)
21:10<flaccid>its in a xen so just want to get rid of it
21:10<planet8>slush, unfortunately not, debian is not secure by default (yet) so libpam-cracklib has to be installed manually.
21:10<sney>use plymouth
21:10<flaccid>sney: you talking to me re: plymouth?
21:11<sney>yeah. use plymouth, hide your boot messages. :)
21:11<flaccid>sney: wtf. i don't really know anything about it. is there a link i can read up and how to do this?
21:11<flaccid>i noticed that ubuntu uses it for some reason
21:11<sney>it's on the debian wiki
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21:12<flaccid>sney: this is in the amazon ec2 cloud, i don't htink this is a good idea..
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21:13<sney>I have no idea what you're on about and I'm going home.
21:13<flaccid>sney: i already do echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf and thats not suffice
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21:22<planet8>What the hell is pam cracklib good for when it only "advises" users? It doesn't force a specific password setting on users. "BAD PASSWORD: it is WAY too short", but you can still just re-type the bad password and it then gets accepted.
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21:25<planet8>never mind got it working finally :)
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22:04<willwh>hi folks :)
22:04<willwh>this is probably a stupid question
22:04<Lantizia>Lo I named my VG incorrectly when I installed debian... so I've booted into rescue mode off the CD and renamed it and changed fstab also... do I need to do anything else?
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22:04<willwh>is there a simple way for apt to find dependencies?
22:05<willwh>I grabbed a deb for mangler -
22:05<retrospectacus>willwh: run "apt-get -f install" after attempting (and presumably failing) to install mangler with dpkg -i mangler.deb
22:06<willwh>retrospectacus: gotcha, thx muchly
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22:07<arand>willwh: Or use gdebi, which tries to resolve dependencies automatically
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22:08<willwh>arand: thx, but the other method works just fine without installing anything:]
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22:19<flaccid>when installing it asked me that i needed some additional firmware for my nic. i skipped this, but looks like i'll need it. how do i go back and get the filename and install it etc. like in the installer?
22:20<PadawanLearner>flaccid: i think you need the firmware pack and go back to the menu
22:20<PadawanLearner>load firmware ...
22:21<retrospectacus>cancel any step and then it will ask what step to go to
22:22<flaccid>how do i go back to this menu PadawanLearner
22:22<PadawanLearner>if ii understand your question, if it is a post install issue, just copy the firmware to /lib/firmware
22:22<flaccid>retrospectacus: i'm not there anymore
22:22<pipeep>Question: what does the apttosid distro do that sid doesn't?
22:22<flaccid>i don't know what firmware and where to get it..
22:22<PadawanLearner>flaccid: like retrospectacus said, just go back at any time
22:22<PadawanLearner>you drop onto a menu with all steps
22:23<PadawanLearner>choose the appropriate
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22:23<PadawanLearner>that is other problem
22:23<flaccid>like i said i don't know how to go back and i'm not in the installer anymore. its installed
22:23<retrospectacus>flaccid: you're done installing? what hardware is the firmware for? Can you pastebin "lspci -nn"
22:23<PadawanLearner>at the download page of the cd images
22:24<PadawanLearner>you have a link to the firmware package, well, to a pack of common firmware's actually
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22:24<PadawanLearner>get them to a pen
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22:30<willwh>flaccid: is this your wireless nic?
22:30<willwh>or cabled?
22:30<flaccid>retrospectacus: done installing
22:30<flaccid>see above please my friends
22:30<PadawanLearner>have fun ;)
22:31<flaccid>so i may just need to untar ?
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22:32<PadawanLearner>and get those files at /lib/firmware/
22:32<PadawanLearner>but you should really only get what you need
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22:32<PadawanLearner>there probably is a package with that firmware at the nonfree repo
22:32<flaccid>ok i guess i see if we can work out what i need
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22:34<retrospectacus>flaccid: I see no problem there. r8169 module is what you need and it is loaded normally
22:34<retrospectacus>it appears you may not have your interface configured.
22:34<retrospectacus>in /etc/network/interfaces
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22:35<flaccid>its working, but obviously i got the non free message which i skipped. and i don't have gigabit link
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22:35<flaccid>line 378 of [ 1.154448] eth0: unable to apply firmware patch
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22:37<flaccid>looking at the .deb pkgs in the i would have no idea which one to use
22:37<flaccid>just firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb ?
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22:39<retrospectacus>!dbugs 573007
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22:39<dpkg>DONE:#573007:I[linux-2.6] NIC r8169 doesn t start at restart on kernel linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 (patch); Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:06:02 UTC [575805]
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22:40<flaccid>!dbugs 606853
22:40<dpkg>DONE:#606853:N[linux-2.6] Realtek RTL8111/8168B fails to load firmware patch (); Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:54:01 UTC []
22:40<badenBox>Hi guys I'm new to Linux, currently using Ubuntu 10.10, the sound on my laptop sounds terrible. Do you know where I can get some help?
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22:41<bonz>badenBox, what kind of system r u on?
22:42<PadawanLearner>badenBox: try #alsa on
22:42<badenBox>HP 8510P, 64bit 4gb ram core2dou T2700
22:43<retrospectacus>flaccid: the status of those bug repoprts seem to indicate there is not any bug. Are you actually having a problem?
22:43<badenBox>okay, thanks a lot.. I'll give that a shot..
22:43<badenBox>The bass just sounds terrible compared to when I was running Windows
22:43<PadawanLearner>badenBox: they are the experts
22:44<badenBox>thanks a lot PadawanLearner
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22:44<flaccid>retrospectacus: still getting the error about missing firmware. i will reboot. cable was also cat5 and didn't get 1000mbps link, but is now with cat6 (didnt realize)
22:45<retrospectacus>flaccid: what error about missing firmware? line 378?
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22:46<flaccid>unable to apply firwmare patch yes, still exists after reboot and installing firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28_all.deb
22:47<PadawanLearner>try using another kernel image
22:47<retrospectacus>flaccid: so there is no problem
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22:48<flaccid>retrospectacus: an error is a problem last time i checked
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22:49<retrospectacus>flaccid: there is no error
22:49<flaccid>!dbugs 561309
22:49<dpkg>DONE:#561309:N[linux-2.6] firmware-linux-nonfree: needs firmware for module r8169 (/rtl8168d-{1, 2}.fw) (); Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:21:02 UTC []
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22:49<flaccid>kernel: [ 1.154448] eth0: unable to apply firmware patch - looks like an error to me
22:50<retrospectacus>but there is nothing about your system that does not work
22:50<flaccid>thats not the point
22:50<retrospectacus>or any describable problem
22:50<vook>I agree with retro - not to diminish your logical conclusion flaccid, but it isn't uncommon for dmesg to show some sort of something on many systems. if it works, I wouldn't worry about it
22:50<retrospectacus>simply a small message in syslog among a thousands of others
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22:51<flaccid>because it is working now, does not mean it will always work but heh if you want to be arbitrary thats cool
22:52<vook>maybe something to place on the back burner
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22:53<flaccid>i guess it'll do for now. i just know how crap realtek firmware and drivers usually is or has been in the fast. i want the card to perform decently..
22:53<flaccid>how about this one (different box):
22:55<flaccid>echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf doesn't cut the cheese
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22:58<PadawanLearner>anyone is fluent on debian live?
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23:07<PadawanLearner>what's the difference between hdmedia and netboot images?
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23:09<Arrowmaster>netboot .img or .iso?
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23:18<dvs>PadawanLearner: netboot is for CDs which hdmedia is for hard drives or USB drives
23:19<Arrowmaster>there is a pxe boot too
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23:23<PadawanLearner>well, i'm dwelving into this matters but was aiming at pxe
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23:24<PadawanLearner>i was just curious if i could use and hdmedia image to boot an install
23:24<PadawanLearner>via pxe
23:24<PadawanLearner>it seems that hdimage have a nice feature
23:25<PadawanLearner>they allow using a local .iso on filesystem
23:25<PadawanLearner>to add to the install sources
23:25<PadawanLearner>well, to go all the way down to the real issue
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23:26<PadawanLearner>i just wanted to be able to make a full net install without having to go on the web
23:27<PadawanLearner>Arrowmaster: ?
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23:48<vsayer>hi all
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23:49<defree>can i ask help questions here?
23:49<defree>i want to upgrade the kernel... can someone tell me how? i thought to choose vanilla kernel 2.6.37 or .38
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23:52<sney>defree: you can download the .deb of either of those kernels from unstable or experimental, they're available at
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23:56<murdoc>does anyone know how to get this shirt..
23:56<vsayer>need some help with real-time stuff
23:56<murdoc> section t-shirt
23:57<sney>murdoc I don't think it's been made or sold anywhere yet
23:59<murdoc>I also have not found anywhere
23:59<murdoc>I just saw the shirt on the site today
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