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00:00<PadawanL1arner>that cache become usable for local machines?
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00:01<winsen1>kop>please can you telle how can i increase the size of home or..?
00:02<kop_>!tell PadawanLearner about apt-cacher
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00:02<kop_>winsen1: Increase the size without lvm?
00:04<winsen1>i am using virtualbox, and it said that's full, no space in home
00:04<PadawanLearner>kop_: thanks, i heard of a couple of other ones, have you userd any other? just to get a comparison of some sort...
00:05<kop_>winsen1: Best way is to boot from your install cd (or whatever) and use that to run gparted and resize things. There's specialized Linux distros for just that sort of operation, but I think the install cd will do it. I'm sure that the debian-live project has a live-cd that does this.
00:05<winsen1>kop>you mean i should use lvm
00:06<kop_>PadawanLearner: I used apt-cacher because it was the only one that worked long ago and still use it. YMMV.
00:06<kop_>winsen1: LVM makes resizing stuff a lot easier, and you can do it without downtime. But it is one more thing to learn and you may not want to spend the extra time learning.
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00:07<winsen1>kop>no, i want to learn of course
00:08<kop_>winsen1: See the install guide and the debian reference to start on lvm. Then read the man pages. Wikipedia might also help.
00:11<winsen1>ok thanks
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00:13<winsen1>have good night, thank you
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00:16<death>i downloaded the source to this program and i need to appy a "patch" which is a bunch of text posted to a forum... i've compiled from source, but never messed with any patches
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00:17<death>the program is transcode-1.1.5
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00:17<death>the patch is on this page:
00:18<death>what file in the source do I need to edit? do I paste it into another file?
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00:18<death>http://www.mail-archive.com/transcode-users@exit1.org/msg02234.html
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00:20<kop_>death: man patch
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00:39<btmhenson>is there any real reason not to use the same password for you login and gnome-keyring?
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01:10<vlad__>Hey guys. i need a lot of help. I tried mint help, ubuntu help, and now i am trying this. No one can help me it seems so this is a last ditch effort before i switch back to windows.
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01:12<vlad__>None of my USB ports are showing up. lsusb does nothing and sudo lsusb -t says segmentation fault.
01:12<vlad__>so can anyone help?
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01:13<sney>vlad if you're using mint we can't help you.
01:13<sney>if you installed debian we could though
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01:13<vlad__>well in that case i guess its time to switch back to 7 :(.
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01:13<sney>and there's a lot of support in debian for weird hardware and weird hardware issues
01:14<vlad__>Or i could try debian i guess
01:14<sney>couldn't hurt to try, right?
01:14<brohelm>about how long does it take to get really good at using aptitude if you, say, spend an hour every day reading the documentation on it? :O
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01:15<sney>brohelm: if you spent an hour every day, after a week you'd know more about it than most people in here
01:15<brohelm>LOL
01:15<sney>myself included, but I get by
01:15<brohelm>and here I thought it'd be a big/medium project
01:16<sney>not really. you want a big project, learn shell scripting
01:17<brohelm>uhm I don't know if that would be useful to me hehe. Isn't it like writing programs and automating things?
01:17<sney>automating things yeah, and it's a standard skill for linux admisn
01:17<sney>admins*
01:18<nevyn>brohelm: or learn something like puppet
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01:19<willwh_> /nick willwh
01:19<willwh_>wups:]
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01:19<nevyn>shell scripting can become a if all you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
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01:23<vlad__>which one should i download
01:23<vlad__>i can grab DVD image
01:23<vlad__>and i want 64 bit
01:24<brohelm>and as a skilled user, one still uses aptitude, yes? or do skilled users eventually switch to something else?
01:24<vlad__>so which one from here should i get? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/
01:24<vlad__>dvd1 right?
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01:24<sney>vlad__: yeah
01:25<sney>brohelm: there are still some oldtimers who use apt-get, but most are using aptitude. that includes developers and everyone
01:25<brohelm>k ty
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01:26<vlad__>wait why is ubuntu in v10.10 but debian is v6?
01:26<nevyn>some move on to higher level orchestration tools like puppet cfengine, etc.
01:26<sney>because ubuntu releases new versions a lot faster
01:27<sney>Debian is much older than ubuntu
01:27<nevyn>sney: meh...
01:27<sney>but the current stable has pretty current software choices, and if you need newer versions of stuff then there are options
01:27<nevyn>sney: I have things on my debian system that arn't yet in ubuntu
01:27<nevyn>but then I run unstable..
01:28<vlad__>i thought the relation of debian to ubuntu was like mint to ubuntu?
01:28<sney>nevyn: that's a different situation altogether :P
01:28<sney>vlad__: debian was started back in 1993. all the other apt/deb distributions are based on it
01:29<brohelm>debian is the 2nd oldest distro that is still running
01:29<vlad__>then what is the oldest?
01:29<brohelm>slackware
01:29<vlad__>i thought that was relatively new.
01:30<brohelm>lol nope
01:30<nevyn>heh
01:30<nevyn>it barely has package management.
01:30<sney>it's good for tinkering. I learned a lot from slackware.
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01:31<brohelm>i would use slackware because its supposed to be stable, but its considered to be work intensive. that's why i use debian, stable yet less work.
01:31<vlad__>Although in your opinion what is the best linux disto for me? I am going to do some pentesting, programming, web browsing, playing games and so on. Of course i am going to learn pentesting and programming.
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01:32<vlad__>And i want something that i can learn to use the terminal on well. I was considering trying arch but i think i am too new to nix for that.
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01:32<sney>vlad__: Debian can do all of those things. it's intended as a general purpose system. if you want to learn, and have a system you can rely on, then debian is a good choice
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01:32<vlad__>OK in that case i will try it.
01:32<sney>all of the stuff that's available in, for instance, dedicated pentesting distros like bt4 - can also be done on debian
01:32<vlad__>I have it downloading right now.
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01:35<vlad__>i was also looking at paranoidlinux with some interest ever since i read little brother but why do i get the feeling its going to be slow and genrally awfull to use?
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01:36<sney>I don't even know what paranoidlinux is
01:36<sney>sounds like... yep, heavy selinux stuff
01:36<vlad__>You never read the book?
01:36<sney>if you're under attack from h4x0rz, unplug your network connection
01:37<sney>I'm a debian user so I don't pay much attention to what the other guys are doing
01:37<sney>seems like a neat idea
01:38<sney>again, nothing you couldn't port over to debian if you wanted to implement it. one of the great things about free software and linux distros is you can move almost anything from one to the other
01:39<vlad__>I am not that worried about hackers. Also please dont use l33t speak as in my time at various whitehat sites i have grown to hate it. Also is freeBSD based on debian?
01:39<sney>haha, that was facetious l33t only
01:39<sney>freebsd is not linux
01:39<vlad__>and what about arch?
01:40<sney>arch is its own animal, probably derived from LFS
01:40<vlad__>LFS?
01:41<sney>linuxfromscratch
01:41<sney>it's an interesting project but really an undertaking to get it all the way to a regular working system
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01:42<vlad__>right... maybe i will put that off for a year or two.
01:43<vlad__>and what exactly IS freeBSD?
01:43<sney>it's a free fork of a UNIX variant that dates back to the late 70s
01:43<sney>wikipedia knows the history better than I do, start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
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01:44<vlad__>oh ok. ANyways i am going to go to bed. Thanks for all of your help.
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01:51<ganeshp>hello everyone. I have noticed a minor issue with my debian squeeze amd64 home desktop. That is whenever I try to copy paste files from my computer to the usb pendrive or external usb memory card, the copying process will gradually slow down and after few seconds will halt completely. After a minute or so it will come backto life and litterally crawls while copying data. And again halts and this continues for ever. Any idea what could be the issue?
01:51<ganeshp> I tried changing the partition format to ntfs, fat32 etc. None of them changed this behaviour.
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01:52<sney>fs type wouldn't cause slow usb transfers, you're right about that
01:53<sney>gnome is probably over-predicting the speed and then the 'slow down' is when it recalculates
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01:54<ganeshp>sney: so is this normal in linux?
01:54<sney>not really.
01:54<ml|>doing the mount and copying what you need by hand and the samething happens?
01:55<sney>ml|: you read my mind
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01:55<ml|>:)
01:55<ganeshp>ml|: let me try that
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03:45<avishai>hi all
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03:45<avishai>i'm trying to use qemubuilder, but i'm getting errors
03:45<avishai>chardev: opening backend "stdio" failed
03:45<avishai>qemu: could not open serial device 'stdio': Invalid argument
03:46<avishai>look like qemupbuilder is using qemu -serial stdio which AFAIK is not supported
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03:56<avishai>ok, this was fixed in 0.62
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04:28<digifor>http://paste.debian.net/111217/
04:28<digifor>This a a friend's USB Transcend 500GB external hard drive. Cannot mount in XP or Debian? What should I do?
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04:30<ompaul>digifor: what happens with fdisk -l for it
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04:31<ompaul>digifor: back in about 5 if you have an answer
04:31<digifor>ok ompaul
04:34<digifor>ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/111218/
04:34<amitz>ooompa loompa
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04:43<ompaul>digifor: so it says it is fat, would xp try to scandisk it for you ... if not would mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdwhatever when you next connect it work if not try taking the disk out of its case and seeing if you can connect to it
04:44<ompaul>amitz: I know I'm a well rounded person but there was no need for that :-P
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04:44<ompaul>digifor: I won't be around for anything else ... I'm off to meet like minded people to dine and discuss the charms of the week just past or maybe just alt.breakfast.scoff.scoff.scoff
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04:57<amitz>ompaul: oh, i was referring to oompa loompas from willy wonka ;-)
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05:03<deux>hi everyone
05:04<deux>is there a way to check if my video card is working and configured?
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05:08<mutante>got a repository i can use to install gtk1.2 from?
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05:11<nevyn>deux: useing biooptical test equiptment?
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05:12<phillipsjk>deux: startx? I assume you want to know if the fancy features of the card are being used. Chances are you have 2D accelaration.
05:13<mutante>deux: glxinfo ?
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05:21<deux>sorry guys, was on the ati channel as well
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05:22<deux>got the info, thank you
05:22<phillipsjk>grr sensors viewer gives an auto-closing error message. Who though that was a good idea?
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05:36<Glanzmann>Hello; I upgraded to squeeze and now nvidia xrandr rotate to left doesn't work anymore. I found the this bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611619 and it seems to be fixed. However I don't know the best method to only install the packages mentioned but leave the rest at squeeze. Could someone walk me through the process?
05:39<Glanzmann>And why don't they show up in http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xorg.html ?
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05:44<gsimmons>Glanzmann: The packages addressing this bug are available from squeeze-proposed-updates (/msg dpkg proposed-updates), which will be included as part of the 6.0.1 point release expected this weekend.
05:45<Glanzmann>I see.
05:45<Glanzmann>So I rebooted my machine one day too early. :-)
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05:50<Glanzmann>gsimmons: Thank you a lot. I installed proposed updates. This solved my problem. xrandr now works as it supposed to be.
05:50<gsimmons>np
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05:56<mutante>does "wheezy-proposed-updates" exist at all?
05:57<cahoot>does wheezy?
05:57<mutante>i saw it in a sources list, that was probably just created by s/squeeze/wheezy/g though
05:58<mutante>cahoot: yes?
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05:59<cahoot>I thought there only something in the works meant to become wheezy
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06:00<Glanzmann>After installing debian proposed updates, I accidently halted my machine. When I booted it up my grub doesn't load witht the error message "GRUB _" blinking cursor is the last char. I'm just burning a rescue media and reinstall grub. But I'm running debian on a mac mini via bootcamp (bios emulation) and refit.
06:01<mutante>cahoot: i am not telling you to do it, but technically you can put wheezy in your sources list, and dist-upgrade.. so from that perspective it exists
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06:14<digifor>ompaul, Issue was corrupt Fat32. Rescued data with TestDisk.
06:14<digifor>ompaul, Thanks for offer of help.
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06:29<deux>hi everyone
06:30<deux>i've installed the ATI proprietary drivers and now after grub my debian screen wont load
06:30<deux>can anyone help me?
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06:31<arand>I don't seem to be able to get mpd playing along well with pulseaudio, I've set it up as per the first entry in http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio#Setting_up_MPD but it takes sound exclusively makes other sound applications crash.
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06:41<phillipsjk>What did you mean be "Debian screen"?
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06:50<sean>is there a way to make nautilus "main" use the second monitor?
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06:51<sean>I wanted my virtual windows XP in seamless on my smaller monitor, virtualbox can't understand seamless on the "secondary" so i had to make it the "primary" so now my icons are on the wrong monitor with nautilus :/
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06:57<phillipsjk>You mean the desktop icons
06:57<phillipsjk>?
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07:00<sean>brb gonna try twinview instead of seperate x sessions
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07:47<fp>whats the easiest way to stop from running at startup
07:47<fp>i remember with slackware i used to just change /etc/inittab
07:47<fp>er
07:47<fp>stop X
07:47<fp>from running at startup
07:48<fp>oh no i didnt, that was to get more console terminals
07:49<nkadun>uninstall gdm or xxdm?
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07:49<fp>i was thinking more of changing the default runlevel
07:49<fp>but i understand gdm could be removed..
07:51<nkadun>in /etc/rc2.d S21gdm3 is included
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07:51<nkadun>and the default level is 2
07:51<nkadun>this maybe the key
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07:56<fp>ok i used sysv-rc-conf
07:56<fp>and just unselected gdm in all runlevels
07:57<fp>this is also going to be a stupid question
07:57<fp>but on some forums, mv /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm /etc/rc2.d/K70gdm was suggested
07:57<fp>im just tryning to work out why/how changing it from 'S30' to 'K70' stops it working
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07:57<Guay>olaaa
07:57<fp>although im checking some rc.d/readme
07:57<Guay>hablan español
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07:58<Guay>kien hbla español
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07:58<phillipsjk>S mean start, K means Kill
07:58<Guay>ke congteste
07:58<Guay>hablan español
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07:58<phillipsjk>!es
07:58<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:00<fp>phillipsjk: and the 30 and 70 part?
08:00<fp>im noobing pretty hard, apologies :D
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08:01<phillipsjk>The numbers specify the order.
08:01<fp>ok thankyou
08:01<fp>for what its worth im used to bsd style init scripts
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08:01<fp>and was too drunk & lazy to properly google
08:02<phillipsjk>to be honest, I have never quite figured out how either work :P
08:02<fp>between rcconf and sysv-rc-conf
08:02<phillipsjk>Osmosis over the years must have worked :)
08:02<fp>i should have it sorted
08:02<fp>i just like to have a fundamental understanding of it
08:02<fp>im not a fan of GUI tools etc.
08:03<phillipsjk>The numbers may be just convention as well: I am not sure if you *must* use numbers
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08:05<ml|>fp: use sysv-rc-conf
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08:28<Nick-Name>wew
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08:28<Nick-Name>wew.
08:29<SynrG>!smart questions
08:29<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
08:29<Nick-Name>wew.
08:31<Nick-Name>ali
08:31<Nick-Name>murtada
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08:34<Nick-Name>!.
08:34<dpkg>i guess . is . ...........
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08:36<AgentC>hi
08:36<user_>hi
08:36<user_>помошь нужна
08:36<Nick-Name>:o
08:36<Nick-Name>apa itu
08:37<Nick-Name>²
08:37<Nick-Name>v
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08:38<SynrG>!ops Nick-Name meaningless chatter
08:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: synrg complains about: Nick-Name meaningless chatter
08:38-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*oOo@180.241.105.*] by Ganneff
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08:38<SynrG>tnx
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08:40<user_>воткнул с net install систему,я так понимаю,она будет testing?
08:40<@Ganneff>!ru
08:40<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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08:46<user_>ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ
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09:07<mahasamoot>Does wifi work on the Network Installer, out of the box?
09:10<nevyn>mahasamoot: wifi to completely unsecured wifi networks works.
09:10<nevyn>wifi to something secured with wep/wpa2 not so much
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09:12<mahasamoot>our network has a wep key... is this an issue of typing in a command, or an issue of missing packages?
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09:14<Guest1403>hello wold
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09:21<srain>hi
09:21<srain>good ninght everyone
09:22<Guest1403>bye
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09:22<srain>bye
09:22<srain>i'm come from china
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11:43<winsen1>hello everybody
11:43<costa>hi
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11:44<costa>i want to install a webcam
11:44<costa>Gives a good internet site
11:44<costa>about that
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11:45<babilen>costa: Well, plug it in, make sure the necessary modules are available/loaded and off you go.
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11:45<winsen1>please, does anyone can suggest me witch distrib "live cd" should i have to use to repair multisystem, linux and may unix?thank you
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11:47<ottoshmidt>winsen1, well I have used debian wheezy netinst CD
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11:48<ottoshmidt>but depends on your problem nature
11:48<babilen>winsen1: there are many live cds around. I like grml, but the one from debian is great too.
11:49<winsen1><ottoshmidt>thank's for answer, wheezy netinst cd is on testinf for now, is it live cd?
11:49<babilen>!tell winsen1 -about debian live
11:49<ottoshmidt>winsen1, sorry you meant live cd and netinst is just an installation cd
11:50<winsen1>babilen>thank's for answer, just wont to know witch better to repair , and boot in all os
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11:50<MrFrood>winsen1: try GRML grml.org
11:51<MrFrood>debian based live cd with some useful tools
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11:51<winsen1><ottoshmidt> someone tald ubuntu 10.10 live is better , what do you think?
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11:52<babilen>winsen1: As I said: I really like GRML and am apparently not the only one. The Debian live cd is a good choice as well. I don't quite understand what you mean by "and boot in all os"
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11:54<costa>i want to install gscpa , but how i do it?
11:55<cahoot>should already be there
11:55<cahoot>plug in the camre and read the last 20 lines of dmesg
11:56<cahoot>camera
11:56<winsen1>for example, i've probleme with grub, and i tested with debian xfce, lxde, kubuntu, but i didn't access in grub with command line...
11:57<winsen1>with live cd ofcourse
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11:58<winsen1>that's why i am searching for live cd which is better for multisystem and multiboot
11:59<winsen1>i am trying GMRL
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12:03<winsen1>babileen>is it lighter ? is it work on GUI?
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12:05<babilen>winsen1: what?
12:05<winsen1>does it work on gui>
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12:06<winsen1>babilen>gmrl
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12:07<babilen>winsen1: I mean: Is what lighter? GRML? GRML is a live cd tailored on system administrators and text-tool users. It comes with a bunch of light and marvelously configured window managers such as awesomewm, wmii, fluxbox, ... If you are looking for a GNOME live CD try the Debian one or Knoppix, or one of the million other live cds that are available.
12:07<winsen1>babilen>yes, i am speaking about GMRL
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12:16<winsen1>babilen>ok, thank you, i am using Bbox and you know , it used home partition, and now it says it's full (you should release space in) , so my question is : could i increase size home partition with gparted, by knowing i am having 4 partitions , / =10Go,swap 2Go,home 18Go, boot 64Mb,
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12:19<winsen1>does anyone can help me?
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12:22<MrFrood>!gmrl
12:23<MrFrood>hmm... no factoid :(
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12:25<winsen1>is it possible to change direction for downloding in debian ? instead of /home? thank you
12:25<MrFrood>winsen1: it is posible to resize partitons, but google is probably going to be your best friend on how
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12:26<ottoshmidt>winsen1, I can't tell whether it's better but I use ubuntu live cd when need live cd just because I have it around
12:26<ottoshmidt>:D
12:26<MrFrood>winsen1: should be able to put it wherever you want - check your browsers settings
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12:26<winsen1>MrFrood>i am in doubt at this answer, it s not the best i guss
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12:28<MrFrood>if your using iceweasel in the preferances there is a setion about download - most browsers will have similar sections
12:28<winsen1><ottoshmidt>thanks for answer, i see
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12:30<winsen1>MrFrood>it's not very sympatic
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12:49<Sur07>hello
12:50<Sur07>how to install Moxilla firefox in Debian 6?
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12:50<MrFrood>In debian land we like to call it Iceweasel
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12:51<MrFrood>Iceweasel is a rebranded copy of firefox
12:51<Nemoder>!why iceweasel
12:51<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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12:59<nsadmin>SynrG, hi... in case you're here, continuing along the lines of the ahci/snd_hda_intel/"nobody cared"/turn off irq 19 thing... one thing to be said, is that in windows, sound and the sata hd works fine together. Because of this fact, there must exist a way to get them to work in linux... most likely, it would take work on one or both drivers. Another fact, the "nobody cared" message is indexed by search engines; at minimum
12:59<nsadmin> that tells us that the problem is in the literature.
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13:00<nsadmin>the question becomes how to proceed
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13:01<nsadmin>specifically, what is one next step?
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13:03<tom>hey guys!
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13:04<tom>i'm just compiled a 2.6.38 vanilla kernel with debian SID and I expected that the WLAN driver (b43) which is included in the kernel has high CPU load when i use high bandwidth..
13:04<tom>is it normal?
13:04<tom>i mean is this normal?
13:04<sney>for sid and experimental issues, bugs.debian.org ALWAYS knows more than #debian
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13:05<tom>this is not sid specific
13:05<tom>in normal case, when you use your wireless card driver it must produce high CPU load on high bandwidth usage?
13:05<MrFrood>tom you might be better off asking in ##linux on freenode
13:06<tom>MrFrood okay, thank you
13:06<tom>:)
13:07<sney>it's sid specific in the sense that it's using a kernel that is currently only available to debian users through the sid repos, so this support channel which only supports stable and testing has had very limited experience with it
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13:07<tom>it is not in SID repo
13:07<sney>the debian-shipped kernels are not too far removed from vanilla either, so the same issue may be present in the bts for 2.6.38
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13:08<MrFrood>it's in experimental
13:08<sney>someone told me yesterday it had just been added to sid. it might not have filtered all the way down yet.
13:08<sney>judd: kernels
13:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
13:08<tom>dont know, compiled from source
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13:09<nsadmin>so that's not even in debian at all
13:09<KOJIbKA>hello all. I have Squeeze with GNOME desktop. By default it has nice "Space"-theme wallpaper set. Is there any program for creating my own wallpaper sets in Debian- GNOME environment?
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13:09<nsadmin>having said that, it's possible someone here does know more; it's just that it's not guaranteed and you shouldn't expect or especially insist on it
13:10<MrFrood>KOJIbKA: GNU image manipulation program?
13:10<tom>KOJIbKA : desktop drapes
13:10<KOJIbKA>MrFrood: which one is that?
13:10<KOJIbKA>GIMP?
13:10<nsadmin>gimp
13:11<MrFrood>KOJIbKA: that's the name but it's often abreviated to GIMP
13:11<tom>KOJIbKA you wanna use your set of wallpapers in gnome ?
13:12<KOJIbKA>I mean to make wallpapers slideshow after a few seconds. one after each other
13:12<tom>yeah, thats desktop drapes
13:12<tom>http://drapes.mindtouchsoftware.com/
13:12<tom>it's in deb repo, too
13:12<KOJIbKA>tom: thanks
13:13<tom>np
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13:15<tom>bye
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13:16<KOJIbKA>!hal
13:16<dpkg>HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <freedesktop.org> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. Deprecated, see <devicekit> and http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval
13:18<Guest1420>Political question: Why Debian 6.0 did not certify against LSB v4.1 ? It looks like ours libs can satisfy LSB 4.1 requirements.
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13:19<technologov>Even 6.0.x theoretically can provide such support, as libs won't require changes.
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13:21<garulf>Hi to all!
13:21<garulf>Official tutorial for installing custom kernel with makepkg?
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13:22<nsadmin>!kp mantra
13:22<dpkg>[kp mantra] make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
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13:22<mof>hi
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13:23<nsadmin>but... if you compile your own kernel, you assume maintainance duties and it would not be that easy to help with problems that stem from using it
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13:25<sney>technologov: try one of the dd channels or the mailing lists for more definite answers
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13:33<technologov>ok, ty
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13:37<thewanderer1>guys, I have linux-source-2.6.32. how do I select the "openvz" featureset to be applied?
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13:38<thewanderer1>and wtf does "Error: Tree is in an unstable condition. Can't continue!" mean?
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13:39<Nemoder>!openvz
13:39<dpkg>OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22 (BTS #585864). Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529); ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net.
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13:41<thewanderer1>what?! OpenVZ is not deprecated
13:41<farenaid84>ciao atutti
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13:41<farenaid84>hola
13:42<master_of_integral>HP printer adding problem: HPLIP toolbox recognize my network printer, but fails to add. It says: 'Printer queue setup failed. Please restart CUPS and try again.'
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13:42<farenaid84>speak spanish`
13:43<farenaid84>farenaid84
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13:45<jhutchins>
13:47<sney>!es
13:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:02<master_of_integral>:me Gently asks if anybody could help with his HPLIP error.
14:02*master_of_integral Gently asks if anybody could help with his HPLIP error.
14:03<jhutchins>master_of_integral: Are you sure hplip supports your printer/
14:03<jhutchins>?
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14:22<master_of_integral>jhutchins: yes, it supports. On my ubuntu machine there'e no problem
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14:23<mihkel>Hi. Every time i plug mu usb stick I get that message: http://pastebin.com/EJ0D2FSP
14:23<daemonkeeper>Well, do
14:24<daemonkeeper>as suggested
14:24<mihkel>I did
14:24<mihkel>here is result
14:24<mihkel>http://pastebin.com/kJZfA2Yx
14:24<sney>there's a faulty entry in /etc/fstab
14:25<sney>so it goes to that device looking for a cdrom
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14:25<sney>mihkel: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
14:25<mihkel>sure
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14:26<mihkel>http://pastebin.com/JPBnP6Gj
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14:27<mihkel>so i should just delete lines containing /media/cdrom*?
14:27<sney>mihkel: see the line between the last /dev/mapper and /dev/scd0? delete or comment it and your problem should be fixed
14:27<mihkel>thanks
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14:29<mihkel>I also made an image with dd of that usb drive and formated it with gparted
14:29<mihkel>can I restore files using that image?
14:30<mihkel>i tried: mount -t msdos -o loop /home/mihkel/driveimage.img disk/
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14:30<mihkel>but I get the same message: http://pastebin.com/EJ0D2FSP
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14:31<mihkel>from messages file: http://pastebin.com/grz5YB5g
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14:34<Guest1426>hi
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14:39<sret>heh there's a linux command called pinky
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14:40<MrFrood>which does what?
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14:40<MrFrood>pinky - lightweight finger
14:40<sret>http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_pinky.htm
14:41<sret>i read it in the book i was reading
14:41<MrFrood>man pinky did the trick
14:41<sret>and there's who.am.i
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14:41<sret>or is it whoami
14:41<sret>one of the two
14:41<MrFrood>no dots
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14:42<sret>uh-huh
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14:43<MrFrood>so I imagine your a fan of the toe command?
14:43<sret>what's the toe command
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14:44<sret>oh terminal types
14:44<MrFrood>try toe -a | less for an example
14:44<MrFrood>or
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14:45<MrFrood>toe -a | grep gnome
14:45<sret>ooh a list of terms
14:45<sret>like a whole lot
14:45<sret>gnome gc5
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14:45<MrFrood>yes - use grep to narrow the field
14:45<sret>gnome blala gnome 2007, gnome 2008
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14:46<MrFrood>useful command toe is
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14:49<master_of_integral>how do i restart cups on Debian?
14:50<cahoot> try /etc/init.d/cups restart
14:50<MrFrood>have a look in /ect/init.d
14:51<Guest1426><3 ubuntu
14:51<Guest1426>name lol
14:51<cahoot>figures
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14:51<master_of_integral>thanks!
14:52<master_of_integral>But i
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14:52<master_of_integral>*But it yielded no results with my HPLIP toolbox problem. I can't add my printer, although it's recognized
14:53<master_of_integral>There's still message: 'Printer queue setup failed. Please restart CUPS and try again.'
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14:54<MrFrood>master_of_integral: if it's a very new printer design you have to get the latest version of HPLIP and compile it yourself
14:54<master_of_integral>it works on Ubuntu packege ;-)
14:55<master_of_integral>And printer is opprox. 2 yo
14:55<MrFrood>is it the same version though?
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14:56<MrFrood>ahh... have you tried hitting it?
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14:56<master_of_integral>MrFrood: yes: to both questions
14:57<master_of_integral>Is there any simple way to add network printer through Debian gnome GUI?
14:57<MrFrood>so stress isn't the issue then...
14:57<MrFrood>cups has a web ui
14:57<master_of_integral>Because on my other computer I have Ubuntu with KDE so I'm quite new to gnome
14:58<MrFrood>I don't use DE's
15:00<master_of_integral>I can do this with Buntu KDE settings panel, but there's error on my Gnome CUPS web UI
15:01<MrFrood>odd
15:01<AzaToth>first time ever I got an kernel panic, might be time to get that new computer ツ
15:01<sret>master_of_integral: it works here
15:01<sret>i've got HPLIP
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15:02<master_of_integral>srret: thx
15:02<master_of_integral>sret: thx
15:02<sret>get HPLIP frm the hp site
15:02<sret>works well on gmome, i'm on gnome too
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15:03<master_of_integral>AzaToth: maybe it's time to get new kernel ;-)
15:03<sret>you wont need to mess around with anything, it does it all
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15:03<sret>are you on lenny or squeeze?
15:03<master_of_integral>OK. squeeze
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15:03<master_of_integral>I got latest Debian package
15:03<AzaToth>master_of_integral: it's an normal debian kernel
15:03<sret>yeah then easy as pie
15:04<AzaToth>master_of_integral: but the computer is 7 years old and are physically breaking down
15:04<SynrG>nsadmin: i forget. did you try with anything more recent than 2.6.32 kernel?
15:04<sret>master_of_integral: so whats the issue
15:04<sret>what's the error
15:04<master_of_integral>'Printer queue setup failed. Please restart CUPS and try again.'
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15:06<master_of_integral>I finally gave up HPLIP and managed to add printer while messing around with System-Administration menu. Thanks for your time!
15:06<nsadmin>SynrG, Hi... and no. I'm trying to obtain some attention on the issue from the alsa folks to see what they have been working on and whether they have seen the issue before
15:06<SynrG>nsadmin: as that would probably be the next step (2.6.38 was just recently released and should hit sid soon)
15:06<SynrG>actually, i think it may be there now.
15:06<nsadmin>I think it is
15:07<sney>it's "there" but I don't think the repos have it
15:07<SynrG>sney: i just did an apt-get update and it's there
15:07<sney>oh, awesome
15:07<sret>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566692
15:07<SynrG>depends on your mirror
15:07<sret>master_of_integral: ^6
15:07<master_of_integral>?
15:07<sret>read
15:07<master_of_integral>ah, OK
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15:10<sret>there's like a few reasons why you should get that, one being user should be in the group
15:10<sret>adding user to the sys group,others say cross linking files
15:11<sret>just read and play with it
15:11<nsadmin>SynrG, do you think .38 is compatible with squeeze?
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15:12<master_of_integral>sret: that's exactly my case I wasn't in lpadmin group
15:12<master_of_integral>Thanks a lot!
15:13<sret>ok
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15:16<brohelm>does the update manager automatically check for updates? and is the symbol an orange 9 sided star?
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15:16<SynrG>nsadmin: i can't guarantee it. newer kernels often require newer userspace to deal with api changes, new features, etc. however, usually it goes well.
15:16<brohelm>kind of paranoid because a message just said: "Could not grab your mouse. A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session or you may have just clicked a menu or some application just decided to get focus. Try again." :O Prolly nothing but..
15:17<SynrG>nsadmin: and in any case, we don't need things to work flawlessly ... we just need to see if a newer kernel solves it. if it does, we may find a patch that solves it. if we can do that, we might get it backported to the stable kernel.
15:17<sney>brohelm: yeah, orange 9 sided star. I don't know about that error message though
15:17<nsadmin>ok
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15:18<brohelm>"just decided to get focus" hm..
15:18<nsadmin>let me see what happens if I try to install it from aptitude
15:19<sney>brohelm: anyway, if you're going to be an aptitude guru, having the update manager running is probably counterproductive
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15:20<brohelm>it just came up as an icon in the bar! it said 28 updates were available so i went along with it. it seems unwise to leave my system unupdated. Does update manager run as default? :o
15:21<Vyrus001>how do i add exFat support to my debian install?
15:21<Vyrus001>trying to mount a drive, works on win7 and osx, not my deb box
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15:25<sney>Vyrus001: looks like linux support is still in development
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15:27<Vyrus001>sney: yea i ended up just wiki'ng the project, no deb support apperantly
15:28<Vyrus001>sok i got the src to work just fine
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15:32<brohelm>k found out the error message is probably nothing in case you were wondering
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15:32<brohelm>btw sney why are you on here so much? are you just really devoted to helping newbs? :)
15:33<sney>I'm just on irc a lot in general
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15:33<brohelm>o
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15:34<brohelm>peace out a-town down
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15:41<Vyrus001>anybody experiance issues with the intel xorg driver? i get no errors in my log file, then a "no devices detected" error?
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15:42<sney>Vyrus001: be more specific, which hardware? any more errors/details?
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15:43<Vyrus001>sney: dell inspiron mini, chip is an intel 945GM
15:43<Vyrus001>id post the log but it literaly goes from loading the driver to (ee) no devices detected
15:43<sney>hmm, 945 should be fine. can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log?
15:43<Vyrus001>hehe ok gimi a sec
15:44<sney>are you sure it's a 945 then? what does lspci -vv |grep -i vga say
15:45<sney>er, just 1 v
15:45<Vyrus001>hm
15:45<Vyrus001>945GME
15:45<babilen>Vyrus001: Please run 'bash -c "/usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-core/script 3>&1" > xorg_bug.txt' and paste the content of xorg_bug.txt to http://paste.debian.net (you could use pastebinit (install it) like this: "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net xorg_bug.txt")
15:45<Vyrus001>yea the pastebin app is installing
15:46<PadawanLearner>ahoy
15:46<sney>hi
15:46<babilen>Vyrus001: Ah, you have to run that as root (the first command, not the pastebinit one)
15:46<Vyrus001>its ok ill paste it in a sec
15:46<Vyrus001>new install and doing datamigration at the same time :D
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15:47<Vyrus001>http://pastebin.com/xsRGLmdv
15:47<babilen>Vyrus001: Take your time, but that should contain most of the informtion we might need :)
15:47<Vyrus001>thats the log, leme send the bug
15:48<Vyrus001>hm
15:48<Vyrus001>dont have xserver-xorg-core
15:48<Vyrus001>just xserver-org
15:48<Vyrus001>o n/m im dumb
15:48<Vyrus001>got the path wrong
15:48<Vyrus001>ok hang on
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15:50<vlad>Can someone help me with my install?
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15:50<new_user>need help too!
15:50<babilen>vlad: Consider it done. What is the problem?
15:50<Vyrus001>babilen: bug script output => GJK9akYf
15:50<mahasamoot>I'm trying to download a live CD... is there a jigdo download?
15:51<vlad>it says to get b43/ucode15.fw b43-open/ucode25.fw.
15:51<vlad>Where should i get them?
15:51<babilen>Vyrus001: Could you please use paste.debian.net -- I am not in the mood for this captcha bullshit :)
15:51<Vyrus001>aww man
15:51<Vyrus001>hate that brodcom shit
15:51<vlad>So do i but thats what i am stuck with.
15:51<Vyrus001>babilen: can you make the pastebinit app use the debian pastebin?
15:52<gsimmons>dpkg: tell vlad -about b43-fwcutter
15:52<EmleyMoor>Is it possible to set a laptop to defer fsck when on battery?
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15:52<babilen>Vyrus001: I showed you how to earlier (-b http://paste.debian.net)
15:52<Vyrus001>oh my bad
15:52<abrotman>EmleyMoor: in squeeze, i thought it already did that
15:52<babilen>no problem :)
15:53<vlad>So i get it from here: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=b43 right?
15:53<EmleyMoor>abrotman: Mine stopped doing so after lenny
15:53<abrotman>hrm .. maybe they reverted ...
15:53<vlad>which ine should i get excactly?
15:53<Vyrus001>babilen: log file is 111265
15:53<Vyrus001>babilen: script output file is 111266
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15:55<gsimmons>vlad: Please check for a private message from dpkg. The firmware itself is not packaged, but an extraction utility is required to be used; see the Debian wiki for more information.
15:55<vlad>wait what is the codename for v6?
15:55<sney>squeeze
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15:55<new_user>I downloaded cd 1 of squeze 6.0.0 with bittorent and put the image on a disk with imgburn for windows. i set the boot order of the pc that should get the new debian to "CD-Rom, C, A" and put the cd into the drive. the system tried to boot from the cd, but failed. i even tried to use annother CD-drive but it failed again.
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15:56<sney>gsimmons: don't the firmware-b43-installer packages actually have the blobs in them? or download them from somewhere?
15:56<gsimmons>sney: The latter.
15:56<vlad>Package: b43-fwcutter (1:013-2) right>
15:56<sney>new_user: did imgburn verify the cd?
15:57<new_user>@sney: no.
15:57<vlad>is that both of what i need?
15:57<babilen>Vyrus001: Could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please?
15:58<new_user>it always fails that on my laptop.
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15:58<new_user>so i disabled it
15:59<sney>it's probably just a bad burn
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16:00<sney>since you downloaded with bittorrent the image itself should be fine
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16:00<new_user>ok i'll try again tomorrow.
16:00<sney>the image can also be written directly to a usb stick, I can't remember what the utility to do that is called
16:00<new_user>i just thought i did something wrong.
16:01<new_user>no the pc i want to install doesnt have any usb-ports
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16:02<Vyrus001>babilen: patse.deb is being mad at me
16:02<Vyrus001>hang on
16:02<new_user>thanks
16:03<sney>new_user: no problem, good luck
16:03<vlad>i am at the partition screen right now. I just want to install debian on a 20GB partition and have mint take the rest. Mint 10 is already installed. How do i set this up right?
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16:03<babilen>Vyrus001: Which version of Debian do you use? Which version of xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed? (dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel)
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16:04<Vyrus001>http://paste.debian.net/111268/
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16:05<Vyrus001>babilen: 2:2.13.0-5
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16:05<babilen>Vyrus001: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606340
16:07<Vyrus001>lol damnit
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16:07<Vyrus001>thnx tho man, your a gangster :D
16:07<babilen>Vyrus001: Do you have options i915 modeset=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf ?
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16:09<Vyrus001>babilen: options i915 modeset=1
16:09<Vyrus001>thats it
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16:18<babilen>Vyrus001: good, sorry telephone :)
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16:24<PadawanLearner>any quick way of disabling frame buffers on boot?
16:24<PadawanLearner>i'm having an install issue on a POS system
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16:25<sney>PadawanLearner: I'm pretty sure you can add 'nofb' to the kernel line at boot
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16:26<PadawanLearner>after boot menu it loads the kernel, some text still visible, then all white...
16:26<PadawanLearner>sney: cool
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16:27<PadawanLearner>i was going through the install manual looking for the full set of options
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16:29<sjzjioao>Anyone awake to answer a quick question about kernel bisecting?
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16:30<PadawanLearner>ever used this: #
16:30<PadawanLearner>DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text
16:30<sjzjioao>Confessedly I am NOT using Debian, but need someone who is experienced in kernel dev/bisection to answer a quick question
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16:30<roger_>Hi there I'm having a small problem upgrading to 6.0.1
16:30<PadawanLearner>what's up roger_ ?
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16:31<roger_>When aptitude tries to configure gconf2, my ssh connection drops
16:32<roger_>I can reconnect. I assume it's restarting a daemon which drops my connection?
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16:32<PadawanLearner>could be
16:32<sney>roger_: sounds like it
16:32<PadawanLearner>but that's odd
16:32<roger_>I thought using an ssh connection was OK for upgrades?
16:32<sney>try running it from inside a screen session
16:33<sney>so when you drop, the apt process keeps going
16:33<PadawanLearner>sney: that's my usual recipe :)
16:33<PadawanLearner>roger_: LOL, he's right
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16:33<PadawanLearner>you're updating in graphical mode, riht?
16:34<roger_>No, I'm doing "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" on ssh from a terminal on my laptop
16:34<roger_>Might graphical mode work?
16:34<roger_>How do I run a screen session?
16:34<PadawanLearner>if it does not work in text via ssh, better try it at a console and take a look at the logs
16:35<PadawanLearner>apt-get install screen
16:35<roger_>Console is inconvenient, it's headless. I want to understand this for the future.
16:35<sney>yeah, install screen, run screen, it'll give you a prompt and then just do what you were doing
16:35<sney>and when you reconnect, reattach screen with screen -x
16:35<roger_>Ah cool seems easy
16:36<sney>screen is super useful
16:37<roger_>OK off we go...
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16:41<roger_>Hmm having trouble reestablishing an ssh session this time. It's just hanging.
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16:44<roger_>Screen -x says "There is no screen to be attached."
16:44<ml|>roger_: screen -ls
16:44<roger_>(I got a connection eventually)
16:45<roger_>No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-rdb.
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16:46<ml|>then screen is not running atm
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16:47<roger_>OK I'll try again. I started screen, screen -ls shows a screen, currently attached. Must be me.
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16:48<roger_>Ah hang on, should I do screen as root?
16:48<ml|>sure, if that is wht you need
16:48<ml|>what*
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16:48<roger_>I usually run as a user then sudo.
16:49<ml|>if you need multiple terms as root that is fine; for just one I start as user and su in a screen window
16:50<ml|>man screen; screen is very useful, like sney mentioned
16:51<PadawanLearner>roger_: use sudo
16:52<ml|>roger_: since you just started using screen take a look ay byobu; ask dpkg.. /msg dpkg byobu
16:52<PadawanLearner>if you need a root terminal prompt
16:52<PadawanLearner>sudo -i
16:52<roger_>OK, I'm having some success. Looks like things may be complicated. Maybe a console connection is best in this situation. But screen could be useful in future. Thanks.
16:52<ml|>yes, if you use sudo; sudo -i is best
16:54<ml|>roger_: also /msg dpkg screen ;has more info as well, have fun
16:54<PadawanLearner>ml|: nice proggi that byobu, didn't knew it :)
16:55<ml|>PadawanLearner: for new screen users it is nice; I'm set in my ways, have had my own screenrc for a long time now ;)
16:55<PadawanLearner>any tips on using it? guess not, lol
16:55<ml|>hehe
16:55<PadawanLearner>i use screen for about 10 years
16:56<PadawanLearner>but don't think i ever explored it
16:56<PadawanLearner>ml|: nice proggi that byobu, didn't knew it :)ly use the basics
16:56<PadawanLearner>mostly use the basics
16:56<PadawanLearner>lol
16:56<ml|>right, heh
16:57<ml|>give it a try; enjoy/have fun :)
16:57<babilen>Vyrus001: ping
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17:05<roger_>OK looks like it's having problems configuring gconf2, probably because the earlier install aborted when the connection dropped. I'm trying to reinstall gconf2.
17:06<roger_>(using screen of course)
17:06<Vyrus001>babilen: sup
17:06<Vyrus001>babilen: haven't rebooted yet, have to wait for data migration to finish
17:06<Vyrus001>and its like 80ish gigs of music so its gona be a while :D
17:06<roger_>Funny the quick guides don't tell you about the most important function in screen (IMO), accessing the scrollback history
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17:10<roger_>Hmm need some more help. The reinstall of gconf2 failed because aptitude is first trying to configure packages that depend on gconf2. When it realises this, it tries to reconfigure gconf2, which fails.
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17:12<doubledutch>I run Debian Wheezy on x86. Why does it want me to remove openoffice upon "$ sudo apt-get autoremove"?
17:12<sney>!unmarkauto
17:12<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
17:13<roger_>Trying aptitude in interactive mode...
17:14<witte>doubledutch: openoffice is being replaced by libreoffice
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17:15<roger_>Can I tell aptitude to only reinstall gconf2, and to not attempt to configure other packages?
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17:15<doubledutch>Thanks all! That seemed to be the issue.
17:16<babilen>Vyrus001: I see :)
17:16<MrFrood>roger_: aptitude reinstall package_name
17:17<MrFrood>may be what you want
17:18<roger_>MrFrood: I have a previously failed installation, with other packages requiring configuration, which depend on gconf2. If I use that command, aptitude tries to configure these packages first. As they depend on gconf2 and gconf2 is not configured, it tries to configure gconf2. Configuring gconf2 fails, which is the reason I am trying to reinstall it.
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17:18<roger_>It's all a bit circular.
17:19<MrFrood>use dpkg -resd the man page you can force package installation
17:21<MrFrood>you want the treat errors as warnings bit
17:21<MrFrood>if memory serves me right
17:21<roger_>aptitude can't handle this then?
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17:23<MrFrood>easier to use dpkg - I think there is a way to get aptitude to pass flage onto dpkg but I have not a clue what it is
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17:23<roger_>Well if it's just passing flags may as well use dpkg. Really I meant using aptitude as aptitude
17:24<MrFrood>aptitude uses dpkg to install
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17:25<roger_>Yes.
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17:26<roger_>I'm just worried I might really screw up without aptitude between me and dpkg
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17:26<MrFrood>once you have installed the dud package with dpkg you should be able to use aptitude to fix the other oones hopefully
17:26<witte>roger_: that is possible :-)
17:26<roger_>dpkg -r removes a package?
17:26*dpkg removes removes a package along with a pound of flesh from roger_'s body, then staples roger_ back up with a staple gun.
17:27<MrFrood>dpkg -i installs
17:27*dpkg installs installs into mrfrood's head with a bone saw and a few screws
17:27*MrFrood ouch
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17:27<roger_>bots!
17:28<MrFrood>fun
17:28<roger_>So if I run the command you suggest, gconf2 gets uninstalled?
17:28<roger_>Ignoring such trivialities as dependencies?
17:29<MrFrood>run the command
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17:29<MrFrood>dpkg --force-help
17:29<dpkg>MrFrood: i haven't a clue
17:29<roger_>Heh while it sounds like fun, I've learned not to simply run commands given to me by people I've never met before on the internet.
17:29*MrFrood neither have I most of the time
17:30<roger_>Ah sorry replied to half your suggestion ;)
17:30<MrFrood>roger_: just check the flag on the man page
17:31<roger_>Yes I'm looking at it. That's how I worked out the -r bit. I'm having trouble finding the rest, it's all rather dense.
17:31<MrFrood>roger_: it will tell you that it instructs dpkg to print out info about the force option
17:32<MrFrood>run it as a normal user if you are worried
17:32<roger_>Yes sorry like I said, I was responding to "run the command" not "run the command dpkg --force-help". The latter is quite reasonable.
17:33<MrFrood>ok
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17:34<MrFrood>!dpkg
17:34<dpkg>well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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17:39<babilen>roger_: You should rather work on fixing the gconf2 problem. The output of an "aptitude -f install" run might probably come in handy as well as "apt-cache policy"
17:41<roger_>OK I'll try that.
17:41<PadawanLearner>i'm struggling with debian instalation on a very compact machine
17:41<babilen>PadawanLearner: How so?
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17:41<roger_>baliben: I think the problem is, my ssh connrction dropped while configuring gconf2.
17:41<PadawanLearner>using pxe to boot
17:42<roger_>(and I wasn't using screen)
17:42<babilen>roger_: try "bab<TAB>" in here ;)
17:42<roger_>sorry
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17:42<babilen>roger_: There is not much to be done without seeing the actual output.
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17:42<PadawanLearner>the machine does have a small LCD, but when the kernel loads, i only get a blank screen
17:42<PadawanLearner>i have tried:
17:42<babilen>roger_: and yes, it is a bad idea to perform remote updates outside of screen/tmux
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17:43<roger_>Ah well, that's what I get for trusting documentation.
17:43<PadawanLearner>DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text
17:43<PadawanLearner>vga=normal fb=false
17:43<PadawanLearner>on the kernel bootline
17:43<roger_>I will be using screen from now on.
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17:43<PadawanLearner>then tried to use the serial console
17:44<PadawanLearner>no success
17:44<PadawanLearner>same issue
17:44<PadawanLearner>tried vga=ask
17:44<PadawanLearner>scan
17:44<PadawanLearner>80x25
17:44<PadawanLearner>bumped with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309223
17:45<PadawanLearner>now i'm running out of ideas...
17:45<babilen>roger_: Which documentation are you referring to and could you paste the output?
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17:47<babilen>PadawanLearner: Well, that more or less covers it. You could also try to disable ACPI,APM,APIC, ... (noacpi,noapic,noapm) ... Can you remove the harddrive from that machine and put it into another? If that is possible you could install using debootstrap, but I guess you'll still want to use the LCD later
17:47<roger_>babilen, the documentation was dpkg, but I'd rather get back to aptitude as you suggest.
17:48<roger_>Shall I link you to the output of aptitude -f install?
17:48<babilen>roger_: Why should dpkg's documentation advice you to use screen?
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17:48<roger_>Oh right sorry
17:48<roger_>Confused
17:48<babilen>roger_: That and "apt-cache policy" as mentioned before
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17:49<PadawanLearner>babilen: http://www.l-tron.com/Direct-PDFs/Data-Sheets/Advantech-PPC-L61T.pdf
17:49<PadawanLearner>it's not exactly that, but very close
17:50<babilen>PadawanLearner: Ah :-\
17:50<PadawanLearner>you thought something embedded?
17:51<PadawanLearner>the thing is i know it works under linux
17:51<roger_>Well the release notes mentiuon using ssh. However on more careful rereading I note that 2 paragraphs down it recommends use of screen so it appears to be a user error.
17:51<PadawanLearner>just don't know why it's blanking the screen
17:51<PadawanLearner>but i'll try your acpi apic apm hints :)
17:52<PadawanLearner>on last resort i'll have to disassemble it... i was really trying to avoid that
17:52<babilen>PadawanLearner: its a shot in the dark ... I would have to acquire more information before I am able to give sensible advice.
17:52<PadawanLearner>the CF card is pretty inaccessible
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17:52<roger_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/111277/
17:54<babilen>roger_: Output of "dpkg --configure gconf2" ?
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17:56<roger_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/111279/
17:57<roger_>247, that seems quite nasty?
17:57<roger_>The high bits have special meanings don't they?
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17:58<babilen>roger_: Please edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst and add "set -x" on the second (blank) line (between #!/bin/sh and set -e) -- rerun the last command afterwards
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17:59<babilen>btw, do you have a backup?
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18:00<roger_>babilen, not a complete one. I have everything I can't replace backed up.
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18:00<roger_>gconf2 is priority optinal, so it should be fixable even if I have to do a mass uninstall and reinstall?
18:01<babilen>roger_: Ah, could you paste "apt-cache policy gconf2" before making the edit and pasting the output?
18:01<babilen>I wonder why you install 2.28.1-6
18:01<babilen>,versions gconf2
18:01<judd>Package gconf2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.0-1; sid: 2.28.1-6; squeeze: 2.28.1-6; wheezy: 2.28.1-6; experimental: 2.32.1-2
18:01<babilen>ah, all is fine ...
18:02<babilen>:)
18:02<babilen>Please make the edit and paste the output
18:02<roger_>I tend to try to leave aptitude to its thing.
18:04<babilen>roger_: You could also just run "/var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst configure" and paste that output
18:04<roger_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/111282/
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18:04<roger_>It takes a while because it drops my connection every time.
18:05<roger_>I'm comfortable so far with the commands you suggest.
18:05<chattr>if ' man apt-get|less +/autoremove ' will jump to the first occurrence of autoremove in the man page, is there a way to automatically skip to the second occurrence?
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18:05<babilen>roger_: Ok, i stops there? No further output?
18:05<chattr>I read the less man page without finding how to skip to the second
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18:06<roger_>Oops
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18:06<babilen>chattr: no idea how to script less, but "n" gets you the "n"ext one
18:06<roger_>I think there will be more. Hold on...
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18:07<babilen>roger_: Sure, take your time. Why is the connection dropped?
18:07<chattr>babilen: yes, ty. though I do know the vi-like keybindings, I thought there might be another way
18:07<roger_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/111284/
18:08<roger_>babilen, I'm guessing configuring gconf2 restarts sshd or inetd or something.
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18:09<babilen>roger_: Ok, that means that the script encounters an error when it runs "gconf-schemas --register-all --no-signal" -- that does some pretty deep magic with gconftool-2 ..
18:10<roger_>Yes I see. Unfortunately it means little to me...
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18:11<babilen>roger_: And the following commands are not run: "update-gconf-defaults --no-signal" "update-gconf-defaults --no-signal --mandatory" and "signal-daemons"
18:11<roger_>Right.
18:12<roger_>So I should run those manually?
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18:12<babilen>roger_: Could you run "gconf-schemas --register-all --no-signal' manually please?
18:12<babilen>hehe
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18:13<babilen>roger_: One way to deal with the situation would be to edit the postinst script and replace the "set -x" with "exit 0" -- That way the aptitude run should/might/will hopefully complete. But you'll end up with a corrupted gconf2 database.
18:13<roger_>First 2 OK; third :"sudo: signal_daemons: command not found"
18:13<roger_>Maybe a subroutine or whatever in the shell?
18:13<roger_>Ah found it
18:14<babilen>roger_: Yes, it is a function in the postinst script
18:14<babilen>roger_: Please run the "gconf-schemas --register-all --no-signal" first -- That is the command that results in the error
18:14<roger_>OK ran the commands. Now retry aptitude install?
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18:15<babilen>roger_: All of them? (ncluding gconf-schemas --register-all --no-signal)
18:15<roger_>Ah not yet sorry cross-typing
18:16<roger_>OK connection dropped again. Stand by...
18:16<babilen>sure
18:17<babilen>did this happen during a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
18:17<babilen>or just a "normal" package update?
18:17<roger_>Happily not. 6.0 to 6.0.1
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18:18<babilen>ah, yes ... we had a point release
18:18<roger_>I try to make a point of updating whenever I get that email.
18:18<babilen>good (generally speaking)
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18:19<babilen>I take it that you are working in a screen session now?
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18:19<roger_>Yes.
18:19<roger_>OK the command produced no output
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18:19<wlosio>hello :)
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18:21<babilen>ourput of "echo $?" directly afterwards?
18:21<roger_>OK will have to rerun sorry
18:21<babilen>np
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18:22<roger_>babilen, 247
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18:23<babilen>damn it
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18:25<roger_>Yes
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18:27<lanteran>hello all, having some trobule with a debain 6.0 install- GNOME crashed the entire computer on start up. It's a low powered computer, P3 ~1GHz, 512Mb RAM, ATI Rage 128. Recommendations?
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18:28<lanteran>It's an incredibly old card from ati, does anyone know if there actually is an official linux driver?
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18:30<doubledutch>!qotd0
18:30<dpkg><Unrealac> Please tell me some channel free shells? <Wyzard_> Unrealac: If you want shells, go to the beach
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18:32<babilen>roger_: Ok, if you look at /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas it is executing "gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule" with/for all schemas in /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ ... That does not work for whatever reason. (probably a corrupted file)
18:33<roger_>Can we just move the schemas?
18:33<roger_>(then reinstall later)
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18:34<roger_>Presumably these are files "owned" by gconf2?
18:35<babilen>roger_: I see two/three ways to go from here: Figure out exactly what went wrong. (i.e. which schema file is corrupted) -- running the gconf-schemas command with strace might give clues. 2. Edit the postinst script to exit with 0 (pretending that everyhting is fine) and configuring the rest of the packages. Then purging gconf2 (and with it all of gnome) and then reinstalling it. or 3. Reinstalling the system.
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18:35<babilen>roger_: No, these files belong to all the packages that ship gconf schemas. (ls /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ will tell you what is in there)
18:36<babilen>roger_: In a way the options I listed/see get more and more undesirable :)
18:36<roger_>I see.
18:37<babilen>roger_: (I am so verbose, because all I am doing is reading the source code to figure out what exactly is going wrong and to let you know my findings)
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18:38<roger_>What do the schemas actually do? Affect how stuff is displayed?
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18:39<planet8>What is the name of the package that can send you an email when there exists from updates for apt-get?
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18:39<planet8>Correction: when there exist updates?
18:39<ml|>planet8: apti-cron
18:40<ml|>planet8: apticron
18:40<planet8><ml|>, thanks!
18:40<ml|>planet8: np
18:40<ml|>!apticron
18:40<dpkg>[apticron] a utility to notify the system administrator about packages pending an upgrade (e.g. security updates for stable) via a daily email. The relevant packages are also downloaded but not installed. Install <apt-listchanges> to state changes made within available packages. As of aptitude 1.1.21, a random execution time will be generated at postinst, to prevent a denial of service against Debian servers. See also <cron-apt>.
18:41<babilen>roger_: They are the schema for the configuration values in the gconf database in which applications save their preferences. Think "metacity saved that it should use the composite desktop" -- The schemas define, well, the schema of these options.
18:41<roger_>babilen, Well it looks like config stuff. I like my idea, it would be roughtly the same as editing the script to pretend everything is fine?
18:41<roger_>(my idea was, temporarily move these schema files)
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18:42<babilen>roger_: Well, not really. All gnome apps would miss their schemas and they'll probably won't configure. You could try it though ... I'll be back in 5 minutes.
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18:44<roger_>I was thinking, just run dpkg --configure gconf2, then move them back and retry aptitude update.
18:44<roger_>I'll do it.
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18:44<babilen>roger_: But try the strace approach first -- That way we might find out which files are actually problematic and replace them with correct ones.
18:44<babilen>ok, do whatever you deem good and paste the results :)
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18:45<roger_>heh you posted in time I'll try strace first. Cant hurt and I might understand something in the output.
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18:48<dajoh>hello, could anybody here tell me how you get the "testing" release? I can't find an ISO for it :(
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18:48<roger_>dajoh, , you could install stable then do an upgrade.
18:49<Lethalman>dajoh, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
18:49<roger_>testing is probably too fluid to release ISOs.
18:49<dajoh>that's currently what I've done, installed stable, and a friend told me I should use testing for more up to date packages, how do I upgrade to it?
18:49<PadawanLearner>dajoh: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
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18:49<PadawanLearner>have fun ;)
18:50<dajoh>is using the ISOs there really the proper way?
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18:50<roger_>dajoh, not if you've already got an installed system you want to upgrade.
18:50<ml|>dajoh: if you have to ask how to run testing then don't
18:50<dajoh>roger_: I want to upgrade
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18:51<babilen>dajoh: I wouldn't really recommend that. Testing is going through a number of transitions now and you will face a number of problems if you run it. It is much better to run stable and backport those applications that are not recent enough for you.
18:51<roger_>dajoh, basically you edid your sources.list to say the name of testing where it currently says the name of the stable release. But I agree with ml|.
18:52<roger_>s/edid/edit/
18:52<dajoh>okay, thanks guys
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18:52<dajoh>bye
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18:52<babilen>*sigh* -- I hope he stays with squeeze
18:53<ml|>babilen: heh, was about to say the same :)
18:53<roger_>You guys warned him.
18:54<ml|>some people don't listen ;)
18:55<roger_>Wasn't there a stable release that lasted several years so everyone went to testing?
18:56<ml|>stable is usually stable for a few years [~2]
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18:58<babilen>roger_: You are thinking of the woody->sarge one
18:58<babilen>That took ~3 years :)
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18:59<ml|>ah, woody
19:00<eof>ah, sarge
19:00<eof>my first debian :)
19:00<eof>and linux btw
19:01<roger_>Mine too
19:01<abrotman>kids ... :)
19:02<roger_>(mine was woody)
19:02<roger_>babilen, Well I don't see a smoking gun in strace
19:03<babilen>roger_: May I have a look as well?
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19:03<babilen>roger_: That being said: I am currently leaving my comfort zone as I don't really know much about gconf2 :)
19:04<roger_>Two problems: strace can reveal private info, and how on Earth am I going to copy so much out of screen?
19:05<babilen>roger_: You could pipe it into "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" -- I am mainly after the "open(" ones in the vicinity of the error
19:06<babilen>roger_: Not sure how to tackle the privacy aspect though. The main idea was to reveal which file(s) is/are actually the problem
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19:07<roger_>OK. 3 is a good status for an open call?
19:08<babilen>roger_: That would be the file descriptor (everyhting != -1 is good)
19:08<roger_>I found th eopen of the schemas directory
19:09<babilen>roger_: What's the last open call? (grep for it)
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19:13<roger_>Well there's stuff like /tmp directories and /dev/urandom. Looking for something meaningful...
19:14<roger_>Whole load of python stuff I would interpret as python starting...
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19:15<babilen>yep, that's /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas running (which is written in python)
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19:16<babilen>roger_: You know what ... I would actually try the second approach. I'll go home now and will be back later.
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19:16<roger_>OK it looks like it starts up, reads the (contents?) of the directory then calls clone() and waits for a child process.
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19:17<babilen>roger_: Ah, that would be the call to "gconftool-2" -- hoped we get output for that too. (this is the actual interesting part)
19:17<roger_>When that returns SIGCHILD it removes a temporary directory and exist.
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19:18<roger_>OK from my knowledge of truss, we probably need a flag to follow child processes.
19:18<roger_>looks like -f might do the trick...
19:19<babilen>I mean you could debug it further. Add something like "print arg \n print schemas \n print env" in line 71 of /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas -- But this is getting ridiculous. :)
19:20<roger_>Here we go. Lots of writing "installed schema"...
19:20<roger_>Lets hope it aborts when it hits the issue.
19:20<babilen>wonderful ... that are probably the good ones ... yeah, that is exactly what I am hoping for.
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19:22<babilen>roger_: Hei, I'll be back in 20min ... see you!
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19:40<babilen>roger_: ping
19:40<roger_>babilen, still here
19:40<babilen>wonderful .. any progress?
19:41<roger_>strace didn't work, even though I was in a screen, I lost the session.
19:41<roger_>So I tried my solution.
19:42<roger_>I moved the files out of /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ to a temporary location
19:42<babilen><drumroll>
19:42<roger_>called "dpkg --configure gconf2" and it worked
19:42<babilen>yeah, that was expected :)
19:42<roger_>moved the files back and ran aptitude upgrade which also worked
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19:43<roger_>Then I ran aptitude reinstall on all the packages, and that worked too!
19:43<babilen>great
19:44<roger_>No more dropped ssh sessions either.
19:44<babilen>"all the packages" includes gconf2, doesn't it?
19:44<roger_>Yes. That is the most important one I think.
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19:45<babilen>Too bad we couldn't figure out what 247 actually means. But I guess it was some kind of inconsistent configuration caused by the interrupted first run.
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19:46<babilen>I think all the new (and actually correct) files where in /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ but that some prior configuration left the database in an inconsistent state
19:46<babilen>well, that sounds all good. \o/
19:46<foto>Hi all, irc.debian.org (OFTC) seems to be blocking the web chat client mibbit, whom should I talk to?
19:47<roger_>Indeed.
19:47<roger_>Thanks for your help.
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19:48<babilen>roger_: That was an interesting exercise :)
19:48<roger_>I don't think I would have found those files I moved on my own.
19:48<roger_>Yes hopefully using screen in future will save headaches.
19:48<babilen>Well, it essentially all comes down to reading code and understanding it. I lost it when I typed "vim gconftool.c" :)
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19:50<babilen>!congratulate roger_ and babilen
19:50<dpkg>Nice one roger_ and babilen, you did it!
19:51<roger_>Thinking about it, I had a similar dropped connection when upgrading from 5 to 6
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19:51<babilen>foto: *this* is OFTC
19:51<roger_>I think this problem has been latent in my installation for a while.
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19:52<babilen>roger_: we'll track that down another time, ok? ;)
19:52<roger_>I suspect we fixed it.
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19:52<foto>babilen: yes I know thats why I came here to ask about this ban.
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19:56<roger_>Well, that 5 minute job only took 4 hours!
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19:57<babilen>yeah *sniff*
19:58<babilen>roger_: Ah, make sure you revert the edit to /var/lib/dpkg/info/gconf2.postinst
19:58<roger_>babilen, Yes I thought of that already ;)
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19:59<babilen>I suspected that, but thought I mention it nonetheless
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20:00<roger_>It's always worth reminding. I've forgotten things like that many times before.
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20:01<roger_>Well thanks again. I'm off to do the other things I planned to do this evening.
20:01<babilen>have fun!
20:02<roger_>And you.
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20:09<revolt|AW>hi there
20:09<revolt|AW>how to remove an script from autostart on debian os ?
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20:17<foto>revolt: I think it is update-rc.d -f program remove
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20:18<revolt|AW>it writes update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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20:18<revolt|AW>tat means is done ?
20:19<revolt|AW>is removed ?
20:19<babilen>revolt|AW: "update-rc.d SERVICE disable ; insserv" or use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf and run "insserv" afterwards
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20:20<revolt|AW>insserv deletes ?
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20:22<babilen>revolt|AW: That will essentially create appropriate symlinks -- /etc/rc*.d/{K,S}SERVICE
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20:23<Karburator>!6.0.1
20:23<dpkg>Debian 6.0.1 was released on March 19th, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for installation on additional hardware is introduced. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110319 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
20:24<llcoll>root@torunska2.pl : /etc/init.d # update-rc.d -f ntp remove
20:24<llcoll>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
20:24<llcoll>no ide what to do to remove that script
20:24<Karburator>It is removed
20:25<Karburator>If you typed that command
20:25<Karburator>Do ls /etc/rc3.d ... If there is no Kxxntp then it's removed (xx are numbers)
20:25<llcoll>oo ok thx ;)
20:26<Karburator>So ... 6.0.1 images still aren't published
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20:27<babilen>Karburator: remove is wrong
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20:28<Karburator>Damn, I cannot even remember a single command
20:28<PadawanLearner>guy's, i finally found it, thanks! #443979
20:28<Karburator>I must be tired waiting for Debian Images :o
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20:29<Karburator>tired of*
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20:29<babilen>Karburator: Read "man update-rc.d" → INSTALLING INIT SCRIPT LINKS → "A common system ..." -- You want appropriate {K,S}SERVICE links to be in place
20:29<babilen>!dbugs #443979
20:29<Arrowmaster>you dont want to use update-rc.d, the symlinks will just come back next time the package is updated
20:30<dpkg>#443979:N[linux-2.6] Linux boot hangs on AMD Geode GX systems (); Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:24:02 UTC []
20:30<babilen>PadawanLearner: congratulations :)
20:30<llcoll>no no
20:30<babilen>Arrowmaster: That is exactly the case that is discussed in the paragraph I mentioned :)
20:31<PadawanLearner>babilen: the credit is all on that Jap guy who figured it out :D
20:31<llcoll>babilen in that case how to remowe that fucking script ?
20:31<babilen>PadawanLearner: Sure, but good you tracked it down :)
20:31<Arrowmaster>which service is it?
20:31<llcoll>ntpd
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20:32<Arrowmaster>uninstall it
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20:32<Karburator>babilen I do not know what are you talking about, but I do remember when I wanted to remove an initscript I did update-rc.d -f scriptname remove ... But, as Arrowmaster said "It comes back when the package is reinstalled/updated"
20:32<babilen>llcoll: Why would you want to do that? Just prevent the service from starting (with the appropriate KXXntp links) .. run the command I gave you earlier or just remove the package
20:33<babilen>Karburator: Why remove the init script?
20:33<Karburator>Remove an initscript from startup ... sry
20:33<PadawanLearner>babilen: :)
20:33<llcoll>can anyone give me direct command
20:34<PadawanLearner>llcoll: FIRE!
20:34<PadawanLearner>lol
20:34<babilen>llcoll: Ah, run the command i gave revolt|AW that is :)
20:34<Arrowmaster>aptitude remove ntpd
20:34<llcoll>what removes that script from autostart
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20:34<babilen>llcoll: "update-rc.d SERVICE disable ; insserv" or use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf and run "insserv" afterwards
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20:35*Karburator notes the "disable" part
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20:36<llcoll>no ide
20:36<llcoll>what you write to me babilen
20:36<babilen>As discussed on debian-devel this whole thing is a big mess (update-rc.d should supposedly only be used by package maintainers) -- "service" does not provide the "enable/disable" functionality yet and insserv has not made it into the manpages, ... huge clusterfuck. The method I outlined works AFAICT
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20:37<Arrowmaster>people actually use the service command on debian?
20:37<babilen>Arrowmaster: We are apparently meant to use it, yes :)
20:38<Arrowmaster>ha
20:38<Karburator>I am now more confused
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20:38<Arrowmaster>when it stops having a ubuntu hardcoded in its version number i might consider using it
20:38<Karburator>I tought update-rc.d said "enable/disable is not api stable yet"
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20:40<babilen>Arrowmaster: Read " enable/disable flags in /etc/default" and in particular the sub-thread that started with Steve Langasageks reply to Marc Haber ...
20:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 473] by debhelper
20:41<Arrowmaster>which list
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20:41<babilen>Arrowmaster: debian-devel
20:41<babilen>steve langasek that is :)
20:43<babilen>Arrowmaster: Apparently the tool to use to configure services is "mv" ;)
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20:44<Karburator>Does cdimage.debian.org use geodns ?
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20:46<Arrowmaster>i want to know why service is even being mentioned instead of invoke-rc.d
20:46<babilen>*shrug*
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20:47<Arrowmaster>at the very least service should call invoke-rc.d but it doesnt
20:47<babilen>I am a happy invoke-rc.d user and will probably for some time to come
20:47<Arrowmaster>right, looking at service i see no reason to use it until it gets a major update
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21:03<@weasel>invoke-rc.d has a different semantic.
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21:06<babilen>weasel: Would you mind elaborating on this? And the discussion on this topic?
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21:08<@weasel>babilen: 1) intention: invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are there for *maintainer* scripts to manipulate startup links and to start and stop services.
21:09<@weasel>that's why for instance invoke-rc.d won't start a service if it's disabled in the current runlevel.
21:10<babilen>weasel: Yes, I understood as much after reading the thread on d-d ...
21:10<@weasel>2) service shouldn't care about that. it's job is to run an init script with a defined working dir (/) (and hopefully at one point with a clean environment)
21:11-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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21:12<babilen>Ok, but given that service does not yet implement all the needed functionality (e.g. enable/disable) we (i.e. mere mortal users) are essentially left with "mv" and "insserv" ...
21:12<weasel>yes.
21:12<weasel>that sucks, but it isn't really relevant to service vs. invoke-rcd.
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21:13<babilen>yes, true.
21:13<weasel>(the "insserv" being the sucky part.)
21:13<weasel>esp. since it's not really documented, and for decades simply moving symlinks was The Way.
21:13<weasel>anyway, n8.
21:13<babilen>hehe, good night :)
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21:21<llcoll>one question more, i haw alix 2d2 mb with debian 6 and i instaled battery for rtc
21:21<llcoll>and now
21:22<llcoll>hwclock from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
21:22<llcoll>hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory.
21:22<llcoll>No usable clock interface found.
21:22<llcoll>Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
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21:22<llcoll>hwclock from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
21:22<llcoll>hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory.
21:22<llcoll>No usable clock interface found.
21:22<llcoll>Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
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21:26<jhutchins_lt>llcoll: I'd reboot it.
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21:27<jhutchins_lt>llcoll: Scan through dmesg and see if it says anything.
21:27<jhutchins_lt>llcoll: See what the clock looks like in the bios.
21:28<dormedas>in updating from Debian 6.0.0 to 6.0.1, it seems my kdm suddenly stopped working. I'm scanning through the logs and looking for stupid things that could cause it, but so far I've found nothing of use. Has this been reported by anyone else?
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21:29<dormedas>booting without recovery ends up giving a black screen where recovery consoles aren't accessible.
21:30<dormedas>booting with recovery and then running kdm yields the same result
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21:30<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: Did /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc get updated?
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21:30<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: Had you customised it at all?
21:31<dormedas>would official ATI drivers count as customizing?
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21:31<Karburator>Official? From ATI Website?
21:31<dormedas>yes
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21:31<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: I meant customizing kdm, changing it at all.
21:31<Karburator>You need to reinstall them, 6.0.1 upgraded the kernel
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21:32<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, that's probably it. Boot to the old kernel and it should work, that would confirm it.
21:32<dormedas>boot to the old kernel? This concept baffles my new-ish-to-linux brain
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21:33<babilen>dormedas: The ATI.com drivers are typically not supported in here as they overwrite files are are not easy to remove. It is a much better idea to install the -dkms packages (/msg dpkg nvidia ; /msg dpkg nvidia dkms) because they will automatically recompile the needed modules when a new kernel is installed.
21:34<Karburator>I think fglrx is ati driver
21:34<dormedas>fglrx is an ati driver
21:34<babilen>garg
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21:34<Karburator>!fglrx
21:34<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net.
21:34<babilen>s/nvidia/fglrx -- :)
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21:36<dormedas>so now I basically need to get my internet connection in recovery boot working so I can upgrade my ATI/AMD driver?
21:36<Karburator>Yes, that's true
21:37<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: If the upgrade installed a new kernel, then both kernels should be available in the grub menu.
21:37<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: Did it b0rk your wifi too?
21:37<Karburator>Do you have wireless or cable (static, dhcp, pppoe) ?
21:37<dormedas>jhutchins_lt: I believe grub only shows one.
21:37<dormedas>Karburator: I have a cable right now
21:38<Karburator>Network Card Model?
21:38<jhutchins_lt>,kernels
21:38<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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21:38<revolt|AW>sorry im back
21:38<dormedas>Is it possible to just reinstall the same driver I downloaded before, but having it compile against the new kernel?
21:39<Karburator>dormedas, it is - but you will get into the same problem again
21:39<babilen>dormedas: use the -dkms ones by debian. reinstalling would also work.
21:39<dormedas>so it would behoove me to get the internet working right now and do that, I presume.
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21:39<babilen>dormedas: Or don't bother with them and just use the free "radeon" driver
21:39<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: It doesn't look like the kernel's changed.
21:40<Karburator>It is changed
21:40<PadawanLearner>hey anyone around there has been playing with GPS's and linux?
21:40<PadawanLearner>or on linux?
21:40<Karburator>From -30 to -31 I think
21:40<babilen>!6.0.1
21:40<dpkg>Debian 6.0.1 was released on March 19th, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for installation on additional hardware is introduced. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110319 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
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21:40<dormedas>Karburator: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8152
21:41<jhutchins_lt>Karburator: No, squeeze has been 32 since before it was released.
21:41<Karburator>dormedas, It should work out-of-the-box
21:41<jhutchins_lt>Pretty sure it's 32-5 all along.
21:41<jhutchins_lt>I have 6.0.0 and it's 32-5
21:41<Karburator>I remember I recieved an update few days ago from squeeze-proposed-updates
21:41<dormedas>the fact remains that I can't connect to this irc channel and can neither update aptitude on the laptop
21:41<revolt|AW>guys, where to add modprobe rtc that will be started after reboot ?
21:42<jhutchins_lt>Karburator: There's no other squeeze kernel listed.
21:42<dormedas>post-update, it's showing 32-5 (uname -r)
21:42<babilen>revolt|AW: /etc/modules
21:42<Karburator>2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31)
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21:42<Karburator>it was 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30)
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21:43<jhutchins_lt>Damn it, how can 32-5 be -30 AND -31?
21:44<jhutchins_lt>That's not how it's supposed to work, if it increments enough to require recompiling it's supposed to increment uname -r
21:44<babilen>jhutchins_lt: same kernel, different debian package (patches, compile options, ...)
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21:44<Karburator>linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is package name and 2.6.32-31 is just debian revision
21:44<jhutchins_lt>The package name is supposed to increment.
21:44<jhutchins_lt>uname -r is supposed to increment.
21:44<Karburator>And there is info linux-image in 6.0.1 changelog
21:44<Karburator>info about*
21:45<Karburator>jhutchins_lt, maybe in some other distros, but not in Debian
21:45<jhutchins_lt>If the changes don't require recompiling third-party components, it should advance.
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21:46<jhutchins_lt>sorry, if they don't require recompiling it's ok, but if it does they should increment it.
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21:47<Karburator>They know what are they doing
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21:47<dormedas>How would I go about configuring the (ethernet) internet in my recovery console so I can fix my issue?
21:47<jhutchins_lt>Nobody else knows what they're doing.
21:48<Karburator>Damn, last time Debian Images appeared on 3:25AM ...
21:48<Karburator>I sure hope I won't have to wait longer this time
21:48<Karburator>dormedas, dhcp or static?
21:49<revolt|AW>babilenand how to set date and day ?
21:49<dormedas>should be dhcp
21:49<revolt|AW>can you give me command promt
21:49<revolt|AW>?
21:49<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: What do you mean by recovery console?
21:50<Karburator>If you had KDE installed, network manager service should automaticly bring it up
21:50<jhutchins_lt>revolt|AW: man date
21:50<dormedas>grub has two boot options for me, one is "normal" and one with "(recovery)" appended to it
21:50<Karburator>s/had/have
21:50<jhutchins_lt>Karburator: A lot of those don't bring wifi up until you log in to the GUI.
21:50<Karburator>If it's not working, simply running "dhclient ethx" will bring it up
21:50<Karburator>jhutchins_lt he said it's cable
21:50<Karburator>where ethx is your network card, eg eth0 or eth1
21:50<jhutchins_lt>!networking
21:50<dpkg>For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>.
21:51<dormedas>Karburator: beauty
21:51<jhutchins_lt>Karburator: If it's static dhcp cat5 it should run dhcp anyway.
21:51<dormedas>Karburator: dhclient eth0 worked wonderfully
21:51<revolt|AW>no man date ;(
21:51<Karburator>date hh:mm:ss
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21:52<Karburator>or not
21:52<babilen>dormedas: You should consider configuring your interface directly in /etc/network/interfaces and ditch network-manager (if you indeed use that)
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21:53<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: Ok, you're just in a normal console then.
21:53<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: How is your networking configured normally?
21:54<jhutchins_lt>n'mind, I'll let babilen get this.
21:54<babilen>The answer to that question is, however, still interesting :)
21:54<dormedas>babilen: I think it's set up to use network-manager by default and I haven't dealt with /etc/network/interfaces quite yet
21:55<Karburator>revolt|AW http://fuse4bsd.creo.hu/localcgi/man-cgi.cgi?date+1
21:56<dormedas>jhutchins_lt: Honestly, I think the networking is configured auto-magically when I plug in yonder ethernet cord. I really wish I did know exactly how it is configured.
21:56<babilen>dormedas: It essentially boils down to "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces -- The debian wiki, reference and "man interfaces" have additional information about network configuration. You can then safely remove network-manager (aptitude purge ~i~n^network-manager) -- Note that this does not apply if you switch between networks (wifi) ... I would recommend to get rid of n-m anyway and use wicd in that case.
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21:57<Karburator>Debian Installer configures network via /etc/network/interfaces . And when network-manager gets installed, he automagically takes over all ethernet interfaces that are defined in /etc/network/interfaces
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21:58<Karburator>should be it, not he ... It's not a person
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21:58<jhutchins_lt>I think the linux kernel rule that if you make changes in the kernel that would cause the system to possibly fail, you preserve the old kernel.
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21:59<dormedas>babilen: does wicd connect to hidden SSIDs? (I'd assume so)
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21:59<jhutchins_lt>I can't believe that Debian would violate that rule, and I don't think they have, so dormedas shouldn't have to recompile his modules, but he needs to look at dmesg and the logs and figure out what's not working.
21:59<babilen>revolt|AW: You could use "date" or "adjtimex" (install it) to adjust the time. It is, however, a good idea to keep the clock in sync with NTP once the drift between the actual time and your system time is minimised.
22:00<jhutchins_lt>wicd doesn't work with many cards.
22:00<babilen>dormedas: It supports that, yes
22:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 465] by debhelper
22:01<Karburator>I do not know why are you people saying that network manager isn't working well with wireless ... When I had wireless card, it worked like a charm with network manager
22:02<Karburator>It was Atheros card that used ath_5k module, and network wasn't secured (public network)
22:02<dormedas>jhutchins_lt: I can try looking through dmesg and the logs, but I doubt I'd find something amazingly substantive that isn't simply unique to my machine
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22:02<babilen>Karburator: One problem is that it requires a GUI to bring up the interfaces.
22:03<dormedas>Karburator: My wireless card works great with network-manager, but network-manager currently has a bug that makes it impossible to connect to hidden SSIDs (and what babilen said)
22:03<Karburator>Yes, you are right babilen
22:03<Karburator>But why advise someone removing network manager who has desktop environment installed?
22:04<babilen>Karburator: Different issues.
22:04<jhutchins_lt>Karburator: You can temporarily configure the wifi in interfaces, then go back to knetworkmanager when you get kde working.
22:04<jhutchins_lt>Karburator: Also, I belive there's a console interface for NM.
22:05<dormedas>success: KDM just started for me.
22:05<dormedas>of course I spoke too soon
22:05<Karburator>You reinstalled Official ATI Driver, or installed -dkms packages?
22:05<jhutchins_lt>dormedas: What did you change? I missed it.
22:05<dormedas>installed -dkms packages
22:06<Karburator>Did you reboot after installing?
22:06<revolt|AW>where to search timezone-data on debian
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22:06<dormedas>ah
22:06<dormedas>not yet
22:06<dormedas>shoulda tried that >.<
22:06<babilen>jhutchins_lt: You mean the (quite crippled, last time I looked) cnetworkmanager?
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22:06<Karburator>I do not know why is flash being gay
22:07<revolt|AW>need to update localtime
22:07<babilen>revolt|AW: tzdata -- What are you doing?
22:08<Karburator>revolt|AW timezone data are located in /usr/share/zoneinfo ... But doing dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and selecting time zone you want will get you correct /etc/localtime
22:09<dormedas>I have never found a more helpful community than the linux (in general) and debian (specifically) ones
22:09<Karburator>dormedas is it working?
22:09<dormedas>I thank you, babilen, jhutchins_lt, and Karburator, my Desktop Environment is back. (A necessity for the work I'm doing)
22:10<babilen>dormedas: yay!
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22:14<babilen>may you all have a good time! cya tomorrow :-)
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22:36<danyel>e ai
22:36<danyel>galera
22:36<danyel>blz
22:36<danyel>esse
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22:36<danyel>é o chat brasileiro
22:36<Karburator>!br
22:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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22:46<napa>Hello!
22:46<sney>hi
22:47<napa>Excuse me
22:47<napa>can you tell me how to create a new channel?
22:47<sney>just join it
22:48<sney>if it's empty, bam, new channel
22:48<napa>but in XChat (on Ubuntu)
22:48<sney>yes
22:48<sney>see, I just typed /join #supersecretchannelIinvented
22:49<sney>and it created the channel, I'm the only one in it.
22:49-!-brohelm [~brohelm@173-20-5-33.client.mchsi.com] has joined #debian
22:49<sney>but this channel is not for irc help so you'll have to figure out the rest on your own.
22:49<brohelm>What does the "k" stand for in "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD"? Isn't it "kernel of"?
22:49<Hydroxide>(or ask in #oftc which is for IRC help)
22:49<Hydroxide>brohelm: yes.
22:49<brohelm>k ty
22:49<Hydroxide>np.
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22:52<napa>Thanks people!
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22:54<cgt>Hi. I am currently trying to install Debian Squeeze on my home server. However, when the installer gets to "detecting network hardware", it just hangs. I can move the mouse, but the installer seems to be stuck. Kind of a newb to Debian, and I have no idea what to do :(.
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22:55<jst>cgt, did you try a non-graphical install?
22:55<cgt>tried that too, but it just hangs at a blue screen
22:55<cgt>I seem to be able to type on a grey bar though
22:56<cgt>Btw, using netinstall amd64
22:56<jst>My man. I use the same. :0
22:56<jst>:) even
22:56<cgt>:)
22:56<jst>I'm not too sure, and have to run. Sorry.
22:56<cgt>np
22:56<jst>Good luck.
22:56<cgt>thanks :)
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22:57<sney>cgt: in the text installer, you can hit ctrl+alt+f4 to get to an error console
22:57<sney>it'll at least show you what's wrong
22:57<cgt>will try
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22:59<cgt>"utf8 is not a recommend IO charset for FAT filesystems"
22:59<cgt>o.O
23:00<abrotman>probably not
23:00<cgt>what?
23:00<cgt>hmm
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23:02<sney>that's just a warning, it gets by
23:02<cgt>o.o
23:03<cgt>"FAT: Unable to read boot sector"
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23:15<thirtytwobitrig>Hi. I have a problem that is beginning to get quite irritating. Every time I install xorg-server video I loose the higher resolutions I had with a vainilla install. Happens with both Ubuntu and Debian. Any ideas, please?
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23:17<thirtytwobitrig>The crux seems to be that the system stops recognizing the Acer x193w monitor (says "unknown") in monitors, when it recognized it before.
23:18<thirtytwobitrig>How do I get X11 to recognize my monitor? (I have no xorg.conf, BTW).
23:18-!-rcc [~rcc@188.26.168.91] has joined #debian
23:18<sney>you can generate an xorg.conf and explicitly tell it what monitor you have
23:19<sney>(and also what resolutions you'd like available)
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23:21<thirtytwobitrig>sney, thanks. I had tried that on Ubuntu, and it did not work. I guess I'll try it again... this is what I mean about it getting "irritating"
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23:22<sney>we try to be a little better than ubuntu's support, so if that doesn't fix it there are more steps we can take
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23:22<thirtytwobitrig>max res I can get is 1360x768
23:22<sney>just, provide as much information as you can to whatever #debian regular is helping you, and it should all go smoothly
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23:23<sney>what gpu are you using?
23:23<rcc>hey guys, is there any way to get the flash player working on squeeze?
23:23<thirtytwobitrig>Intel G41 (R) on board
23:23<sney>!flash
23:23<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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23:24<rcc>gnash fails to load youtube movies
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23:24<abrotman>so install adobe flash
23:24<rcc>An error has occurred, please try again later
23:24<rcc>I did
23:24<sney>youtube html5 is working better and better, also
23:24<rcc>that one crashes the browser whenever it hits a movie
23:24<rcc>well, it's not just youtube, you kinda need flash working nowdays
23:25<sney>true
23:25<sney>thirtytwobitrig: g41 is pretty new, right?
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23:27<thirtytwobitrig>had the MB of mt desktop for about a year, and it is the same video chipset as in my asus 900HD EeePC, which I have also had for about a year
23:27<thirtytwobitrig>*my
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23:28<sney>can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log?
23:29<thirtytwobitrig>:/ Don't seem to have one...
23:29<sney>any Xorg logs at all in /var/log?
23:31<thirtytwobitrig>http://pastebin.com/S4aj9eiW
23:32<thirtytwobitrig>Now, I have never found a driver for the intel chipset. Is there one?
23:33<sney>you've already got it
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23:34<sney>if you look in the middle chunk of that log you'll see it loading the 'intel' driver, with explicit G41 support, dri/drm, etc
23:34<sney>there's no 3rd party intel driver for X and believe me that makes things much easier.
23:34<sney>now it does detect that resolution you mentioned - see line 274
23:36<sney>you might be able to force it to use it by just declaring Modes in xorg.conf
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23:36<sney>also, make sure you have libdrm-intel1 installed.
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23:36<thirtytwobitrig>I already have that resolution, it is the highest I can get. I wanted a higher one, if it is possible...
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23:37<sney>oh I see what you mean, ok
23:37<thirtytwobitrig>1440x900
23:38<thirtytwobitrig>saya hsync out of range. how can I set the h refresh (if that's the problem)?
23:38<sney>well, if you know your gpu/monitor can support it, you can try declaring it in xorg.conf. in the default generated xorg.conf, it'd be in the Screen section at the bottom. pick the Display section that represents the colour depth you want to use (32 / 24) and make a line that says Modes "1440x900"
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23:39<sney>X whines about vsync/hsync a lot when lcd monitors are involved and *usually* it isn't relevant
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23:40<thirtytwobitrig>Yes, the monitor and the gpu support it, or I would not get it off the bogstandard debian squeeze install (before installing X).
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23:40<thirtytwobitrig>I'll try what you say and concont an xorg.conf for it...
23:40<thirtytwobitrig>never tried it on debian yet
23:40<vantage>can anybody recommend a video player
23:41<sney>vantage: I don't like tangling with codecs and things so I just use vlc
23:41<sney>some people like mplayer, though.
23:41<vantage>and is there a hot key for swaping desktops
23:41<sney>that would depend on your desktop environment, but I think it's ctrl+number or something along those lines
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23:42<sney>thirtytwobitrig: you can generate an xorg.conf from X's detected settings with X -configure
23:42<sney>then edit as you please
23:44<cucaracha>may someone help me plese
23:44<sney>if you're using Debian and you have a question, you're in the right place cucaracha
23:44<thirtytwobitrig>and that brings me to another thing... how do I stop gdm on debian, please?
23:45<thirtytwobitrig>6.0.0
23:45<sney>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
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23:45<cucaracha>thx i can't enable my sound in gnome after i install debain squeeze ...
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23:46<thirtytwobitrig>and I take it /etc/init.d/gdm start will restore it?
23:46<sney>thirtytwobitrig: bingo
23:46<thirtytwobitrig>:D
23:46<sney>cucaracha: is your user in the 'audio' group?
23:46<vantage>how do you change the group on a directory
23:46<sney>with chown
23:46<cucaracha>yes
23:46<vantage>chown thats it
23:46<vantage>thanks sney
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23:47<cucaracha>i saw my user name is after /etc/group audio
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23:47<sney>cucaracha: make sure alsa-utils is installed, then run alsamixer and tell me if you see MM at the bottom of any of the columns
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23:48<cucaracha>ok i try it
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23:49<thirtytwobitrig>here's what I got bash: /etc/init.d/gdm: No such file or directory
23:49<sney>er hmm
23:49<sney>is there anything in /etc/init.d that seems like gdm? they probably renamed it
23:50<thirtytwobitrig>gdm3
23:50<thirtytwobitrig>try that?
23:50<sney>yes
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23:53<thirtytwobitrig>that was bad. got an unusable black screen which required a reboot to get back
23:54<sney>after doing what
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23:54<thirtytwobitrig>after /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
23:54<Pi>#join #debian-pt
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23:55<cucaracha>to sney uh,i'm sorry i've install alsa-utils and i run alsamixer in my terminal either gui
23:55<cucaracha>what you mean "MM"?
23:55<sney>terminal
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23:56<sney>in the boxes below the volume bars there will either be a number or MM
23:56<cucaracha>oh i found it it say "S/PDIF"
23:56<sney>no above that
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23:57<sney>but where the one you see says s/pdif there should be some others with like 'master' 'pcm' etc
23:57<sney>you need master and pcm to have sound levels (color bars) in order for sound to work
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23:59<thirtytwobitrig>nope. no luck at all with gdm3
23:59<cucaracha>ok i've "master " "headphone" they both have color bars
23:59<sney>thirtytwobitrig: without gdm running, sometimes you need to switch to another terminal (alt-f2, f3 etc)
23:59<vantage>Okay so who remember how to count permissions? R =? X=? W=?
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23:59<vantage>who remembers*
23:59<thirtytwobitrig>it wouldn't be service stop gdm3, by any chance?
23:59<sney>they would do the same thing
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