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---Logopened Sun Mar 20 00:00:00 2011
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00:00<vantage> 1 3 5 but in what order
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00:00<sney>vantage surely there are manpages for this sort of thing
00:00<vantage>bah its been too long
00:01<sney>cucaracha: try the command aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
00:01<sney>if it doesn't make a hissing sound, try again as root
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00:04<cucaracha>no, both user and root can't hear any sound
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00:04<vantage>X =1 W =2 R =5
00:06<thirtytwobitrig>okay, this was generated, as, in /root --->
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00:06<sney>cucaracha: what do you get from lspci -nn |grep -i audio
00:06<thirtytwobitrig>lop it into /etc/X11 and edit away?
00:07<sney>thirtytwobitrig: yep
00:07<sney>and you can rename it back to if it breaks something and won't let you into X
00:07<cucaracha>i got two first 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 03)
00:08<cucaracha>second 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc RV710/730 [1002:aa38]
00:09<sney>cucaracha: hmm, it should be fully supported (the intel is your actual sound device)
00:09<thirtytwobitrig>okay, thanks for your time and attention. I'll play with that a bit and see what happens tomorrow, though I went down this road before with ubuntu. maybe better luck this time.
00:09<thirtytwobitrig>all the best
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00:10<sney>if you do cat /proc/asound/cards which one is default (0)?
00:10<vantage>what is the best way to chage the default program for a file type
00:11<cucaracha>is Intel HDA intel
00:11<sney>I think gnome has a file types handler. update-alternatives will change default programs for specific actions, like web browser, terminal emulator, etc
00:11<sney>cucaracha: ok, and silly things (like speakers turned on, headphones in correct jack) are ok?
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00:13<cucaracha>i've check again and silly things doesn't happend
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00:14<sney>ok, install module-assistant, and do 'm-a a-i alsa-source' in a terminal as root
00:14<sney>that'll rebuild the audio drivers which hopefully will fix your problem
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00:16<rcc>ok, tried everything, gnash simply won't play movies and the nonfree flashplayer crashes the browser, any suggestions?
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00:17<sney>try a different browser
00:17<rcc>tried that, same result
00:18<sney>purge flashplugin-nonfree, run apt-get clean, install it again
00:18<rcc>did that several times
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00:19<rcc>wonder if an older version might work
00:19<sney>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
00:19<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3
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00:26<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
00:27<btrack>how about blackhat
00:28<sney>this is the official support channel for the Debian GNU/Linux Operating System. If you're not here to ask a question or help answer them, you're in the wrong place.
00:28<btrack>i got version Blacktrack 4R2 Blackhat Edition
00:28<sney>you must feel so special, having magically become a hacker all of a sudden
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00:29<sney>look, open up your network list again, and this time click either 'freenode' or 'ubuntu servers' - the channel #backtrack-linux on those is the place you want to be
00:30<cucaracha>i 've rebulid what you say ,and it tell me "You should now stop all applications using sound devices and reload all ALSA sound modules."
00:30<cucaracha>how do i reload?
00:30<sney>reboot is the easiest way
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00:45<vantage>can anybody recommend a good audio player like xmms use to be
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00:46<seeS>audacious maybe
00:46<seeS>others like quodlibet
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00:50<cucaracha>to sney : thank's for your help
00:51<cucaracha>maybe i should wait for next update
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00:55<cucaracha>to sney thank's alot
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01:01<vantage>typically is the default install for ubuntu lagy? or is it just me?
01:01<willwh>vantage: no, generally not
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01:02<vantage>any suggestions on what could have gone wrong... it takes like 10 seconds to open a program..
01:03<willwh>uh, not with that much info, no.
01:03<vantage>lol yea
01:03<willwh>also - you may be better off in #ubuntu
01:03<willwh>or #ubuntu-support
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01:09<x-nux>I a problem with my network.. my network attacked sniffing
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01:10<x-nux>can I have a solution
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01:55<Rimrul>on wich of the sqeze-CDs are xfce and xmms?
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02:49<arinov>show me current default sources.list file please
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02:52<simonrvn>there is no default
02:52<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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02:56<arinov>simonrvn, if i set checkboxes in synaptic - they are not checked
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02:59<simonrvn>use apt-get or aptitude
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04:31<Rimrul>on wich of the squeze installation-CDs are xfce and xmms?
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05:05<eustace>Hello, how do I manage toolbars? I want to move my top toolbar to bottom.
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05:28<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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05:32<hever>Hello, when I'm using jack as soundserver, where can I control the volume? I can't find a usable mixer...
05:34<nevyn>hever: try jackmixer
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06:37<ubu_vb>Hi All , Can anyone tell me debian squeeze default sound is ALSA or pulseaudio??
06:38<cahoot>PA needs alsa
06:38<cahoot>they are complementary not mutually exclusive
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06:39<ubu_vb>But ALSA can work without pulseaudio also
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06:40<cahoot>AFAIK PA isn't 'default'
06:40<ubu_vb>I donot required network streaming. I uses sound only for playing songs. But still I have libpulse installed. I can anyone help me. what is the use of this library with Gnome
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06:41<Karburator>It is just a library
06:41<Karburator>Gstreamer and Gnome media use some of it's functions
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06:41<cahoot>ubu_vb: do you have a problem with sound?
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06:42<ubu_vb>Yes I 'm getting problem with pulseaudio
06:42<ubu_vb>I just tried to install it
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06:43<ubu_vb>It is giving lots of logs in my log. So tried to remove.. But except libpulse. everything got removed...
06:43<ubu_vb>So just want to know why libpulse is used for gnome
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06:44<Karburator>I told ya, some programs are just linked to it to use it's functionality when server is available.
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06:44<cahoot>ubu_vb: try this (as root) alsa force-reload, then (as user) speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
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06:46<Soadreqm>So, I'm trying to get Openbox working and haven't got a clue what I'm doing. Would this be the correct place to ask for advice?
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06:48<ml|>Soadreqm: /msg dpkg openbox
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07:29<Karburator>!live 6.0.1
07:29<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
07:30<mkad>I would like to use iceweasel 4 from experimental but its extreamly buggy and many webapplications that are crucial for my work, they crash
07:30<Karburator>then don't use it
07:33<mkad>Karburator, it works hell way faster
07:33<mkad>Karburator, I am not using it
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08:52<AtTheGates>hi room
08:53<Osiris_X>Does anyone know if I have to set CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST in my kernel for for UPNP or ZeroConf/Avahi/mDNS to work?
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09:00<Guest1491>hey, I want to have a script run at startup, but I want it to run as a certain user
09:01<Guest1491>I know how to use the rc, but it's all under my user
09:01<Guest1491>ex if I want to run stuff as root or a specific user
09:01<eponymous>I'm running Debian Squeeze, using Gnome desktop, and am currently having issues with Update Manager. It just does not respond to anything. It starts up, after I act on the notification to update, then goes blank.
09:02<abrotman>Guest1491: you can use su - <username> ?
09:02<abrotman>!run at startup
09:02<dpkg>Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
09:02<abrotman>or the @reboot in your own cron
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09:03<Guest1491>abrotman: that's the thing, having a start up script with plain text password is.. fishy..
09:03<Guest1491>going to read said files now..
09:03<abrotman>you left that part out ?
09:03<abrotman>really depends what the password is for
09:04<Guest1491>I'd reckon having a password in plain text is generally a bad idea?
09:04<abrotman>is it your password for your bank? or for your quilting design ?
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09:09<Guest1491>it's password for root
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09:14<abrotman>i thouhgt you said as a user?
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09:19<Guest1491>I need a couple of things
09:20<Guest1491>one of them is, say, iptables
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09:25<eponymous>anyone else experiencing problems with Update Manager?
09:26<abrotman>Guest1491: you don't need to use root's passwd for that
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09:26<Guest1491>yes, maybe for iptables, but for other definitions..
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09:27<abrotman>why would you need root's password at all?
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09:30<Guest1491>say I want to run an http server, I need to bind port 80
09:31<Guest1491>I need sudo for that
09:31<ompaul>Guest1491: you appear to be confused, very confused.
09:32<ompaul>Guest1491: if you want to run a web server there are two ways of getting it to start after installing one is rebooting
09:32<Guest1491>well basically, if I run things under different users, I can have specific iptables rules for them
09:32<Guest1491>eg: iptables ... --m user <user> -j ACCEPT
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09:33<ompaul>Guest1491: and supposing user A says block port :80 and user B says allow :80 what is to happen
09:33<abrotman>Guest1491: the init scripts run as root ?
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09:34<learner>hey guys, need help on rpm dependency problem, kindly help, need help ,please help me...
09:34<dpkg>RPM is both the RPM Package Manager and the file format for its packages. <alien> can convert a .rpm package to a .deb file format. Convert a .rpm to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio command (in the rpm Debian package). Note that alien doesn't do a very good job of converting the package, you should use a proper Debian package in preference to alien. Also ask me about <stow>, <checkinstall>.
09:34<ompaul>learner: what package are you trying to work with?
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09:35<Guest1491>ompaul: user B will be allowed port 80 and user A will not
09:35<learner>ompaul, i was trying to install picasa-3.0-current.i386.rpm, but certainly i just got some dependency issues, i have worked with apt-get, but cant go easy with rpm manager, kindly help how to work on this one.
09:36<Guest1491>abrotman: I am very uncertain...?
09:36<TobiX>Guest1491: Bot neither can bind to port 80, so what's the point at all?
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09:36<ompaul>Guest1491: you should also consider that the service that root runs to start a web server does not leave it running as root it runs as a user below that
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09:38<ompaul>Guest1491: iptables applies to the full machine.
09:38<Guest1491>ompaul: iptables can filter by username
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09:38<ompaul>Guest1491: and in the case I suggested once user A is on the machine nothing can get to port 80
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09:39<learner>ompaul, you didn't get my point, i can install that using debian manager but point is i need understand how to install package with rpm and remove their dependency issues related with them, got my question now.
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09:40<learner>some body please help with, how to resolve dependency issues with RPM manager??
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09:40<dpkg>rumour has it, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to Debian, Debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well.
09:40<Guest1491>I appreciate you trying to get to the bottom of things, but there ought to be a way to run things at startup, _before_ any user logs in
09:41<ompaul>learner: yes "I got your question now" thanks for rephrasing it based on a solution and I pointed out using the bot eariler alien exists when I did !rpm
09:41<fbs>im trying to get a firewall running, which port does apt user?
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09:42<TobiX>Guest1491: As was mentoined erlier, you can use init scripts or cron jobs
09:42<learner>ompaul, i got your first part, sorry cant get next, still the problem persists, how to? any solution
09:42<ompaul>learner: deps -- well if your version does not use it you can ... consider do those packages come from SID and if so will they break your box. I'm not going get involved in debugging picasa
09:42<TobiX>fbs: apt downloads packages via http (80) or ftp (21).
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09:43<Guest1491>TobiX: yes, I know how to use init scripts, but how do I make them run a script as a different user?
09:43<ompaul>learner: or run something like kvm and fedora in there to go it
09:44<ompaul>learner: the problem os is one of does this libary break my current working machine - and the answer may very well be "yes"
09:44<TobiX>Guest1491: su? start-stop-service can also run services as a different user.
09:44<Guest1491>TobiX: start-stop-service? please explain more?
09:44<ompaul>Guest1491: you haven't given us a specific use case, however all users have cron so they can run jobs when they are not there
09:45<learner>ompaul, sorry man, going bouncers, can you just explain me in simple wordings, cause am kinda newbie.
09:45<Guest1491>any quick cron tutorial?
09:45<abrotman>Guest1491: i already told you .. su - <username> -c "command"
09:45<TobiX>"man crontab"
09:46<Guest1491>abrotman: yea but that forces me to have the password in a plaintext file, which is a do no want
09:46<learner>ompaul, well one thing we can do is to install every dependency one by one manually, but that would consume lot of time and effort of course, as like of apt-get, isn't it we have some solution like wise to install packages.
09:46<TobiX>Guest1491: No. su does not ask for a passwort when root runs it
09:47<ompaul>learner: if you are a newbie your insistance in running the latest picasa which is not built for your system is most likely going to break your box, the other one - what is it missing that you so need etc etc etc
09:47<abrotman>Guest1491: no, it does not
09:47<abrotman>Guest1491: unless your application requires a password .. in which case, there is no way around that
09:47<Guest1491>but I don't log in as root ...
09:47<Guest1491>I log in using normal user
09:47<abrotman>the scripts run as root
09:47<abrotman>maybe you should *try it* ?
09:47<abrotman>instead of telling us that we're all wrong ... perhaps consider we're right ?
09:48<abrotman>it may need some other setup to run correctly .. but it shuld work
09:48<ompaul>Guest1491: btw we won't help you get around an administrators set up
09:48<ompaul>if your local rule base won't let you do something we can't help you there either :)
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09:49<learner>ompaul, you're very right, but i forgot to mention one word, am newbie to RPM manager, have worked a lot on debian manager.
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09:50<ompaul>learner: did you use alien yet? did it break your box yet? have you pastebinned the problems you are facing or have you talked about it as an abstract problem?
09:50<AtTheGates>fbs: did you mean port for apt's outgoing connections?
09:50<Set>I would like to know witch metod of create deb package for 64bit system is the most correcly, the most simple.... Im will be make it the first time... but on internet i found a few metods: dpkg-deb, checkinstall, build-packages...
09:51<ompaul>fbs: usually apt goes to web servers so it will request 80 on some port and the other side will hand it off from some random port on their side
09:51<Guest1491>well thanks, I'll try it, g2g
09:51<Set>whitch metod is the best ?
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09:51<learner>ompaul, alien ya could be an alternative, but still the problem remains, and o i havent talked on this else where, our main issue is to find solution to resolve dependency issues related with some software installation. what you say
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09:53<eBittin>Hello, somone knows good stuff to install on an eMac with Debian PPC?
09:53<ompaul>learner: you can go and use alien and then you can paste the problems you face or not, the call is yours
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09:54<learner>ompaul, i appreciate your help, but as far i know alien converts rpm to deb packages, am i right???
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09:54<TobiX>Set: checkinstall is a crude hack. For proper packages, use a build system like debhelpber, cdbs, etc.
09:55<ompaul>learner: and you don't know this one: dpkg -i whatever.deb
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09:58<TobiX>Set: If you want to build a package just for your own use, use checkinstall. If you want to build a proper package, share it with others and maybe get it into Debian, read:
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09:59<learner>ompaul, i do know this one --> dpkg -i whatever.deb, problem am talking about is, how one can take care of dependencies occurred while installing any RPM package?
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09:59<Set>thx TobiX
10:00<ompaul>learner: you can't take care of all cases - because the libraries are different ...
10:00<ompaul>learner: it is on a package by package basis
10:00<abrotman>aptitude -f install
10:00<abrotman>say no the first time .. usually accept the second
10:00*ompaul shoots abrotman between the working computer and the broken one ;-)
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10:01<learner>ompaul, i understand its package by package basis, but still their should be some way to do it, or u wanna say there is no any?
10:01<themill>"aptitude -f install packagename" will normally have the right solution first up
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10:01<TobiX>learner: "There is no way to convert every RPM to DEB" - There, happy?
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10:02<ompaul>learner: I am saying it just that - you can't have an all cases basis
10:02<ompaul>libc could be different and that is a whole other ball of hurt
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10:08<learner>ompaul, ok i agree, may be it could be the case, but still, i am standing with NO SOLUTION!!!
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10:08<ompaul>learner: and so it was that the light of on the clue planet rose across the horizon and so it was that clue could be seen ;-)
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10:11<learner>ompaul, what was that, i could get that!!
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10:12<ompaul>learner: if you worked all current apps, and the set denoted by all working working apps today on the rpm system was denoted as aleph null then you would have a day tomorrow aleph one because a few new rpms would fall from the sky
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10:14<arinov>dpkg rtl8192
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10:15<dpkg>For support of Realtek 802.11n wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se> (PCI-E chipsets); <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u> (USB chipsets).
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10:20<learner>ompaul, ha ha ha.. that wa s hilarious, but some how never mind i can manage the same, i mean falling part, apart from that, can you guide me for more on RPM and dependency handling, if you can, that would be appreciable.
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10:48<lapfrog>hey is there an alternative to tar that is more easily seekable and still keeps user id's and permissions?
10:48<themill>dpkg: tell lapfrog about cross-post
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10:51<SynrG>cpio i guess? (or afio)
10:51<learner>any way to resolve dependencies caused due to RPM installation.
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10:52<SynrG>not sure what you mean by "easily seekable" ... random access to the middle of the file?
10:52<SynrG>you would probably need an uncompressed archive of compressed individaul files for this.
10:52<SynrG>tar of gz'd files or cpio/afio of gz'd files
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10:53<s_i_m>i think he wants an indexed archive format
10:56<Karburator>Damn, 6.0.1 live cd's still not out :(
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10:57<learner>hey guys any solution to resolve dependency issues caused due to RPM installation.
10:57<learner>hey guys any solution to resolve dependency issues caused due to RPM installation. any help would be appreciated
10:57<SynrG>Karburator: wednesday, assuming all goes well. they get built tomorrow and then need to be sync'd to cdimage.d.o
10:57<Karburator>Oh hell
10:58<Karburator>Well, I have to wait
10:58<s_i_m>learner, RPM does not belong in Debian :)
10:58<SynrG>it's tricky because the live images depend on the intsaller images, and *they* need to be synced first
10:58<SynrG>or at least built first
10:58<themill>Karburator: there's not a huge difference between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1
10:59<babilen>SynrG: Can't one, hypothetically, also built the images oneself?
10:59<SynrG>yes. one can.
10:59<SynrG>if you're in a tearing hurry
10:59<Karburator>I don't like 6.0 live cd because of kexec-tools on it
10:59<learner>s_i_m, what is debian? i'm Newbie, can u explain me the differences between different distros???
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10:59<babilen>that is most likely the biggest user visible change :)
10:59<babilen>!tell learner about debian
10:59<babilen>!tell learner about why debian
10:59<Karburator>And I am too lazy to build images myself
11:00<SynrG>ah, then you wait :)
11:00<Karburator>And it's really gay to build gnome live image while using 768kbit connection :/
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11:02<babilen>learner: Debian uses a different package format (i.e. .deb) than RPM-based distributions such as Red Hat, Fedora or SUSE
11:02<themill>Karburator: I have no idea what the sexuality of the live-build utilities is.
11:02<babilen>Karburator: Or its degree of happiness
11:03<Karburator>Well ...
11:03<learner>babilen, am working on BackTrack, any suggestions???
11:03<babilen>learner: Try #backtrack-linux on mayhaps?
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11:05<child>Hello, I'm trying to use wvdial with Nokia 3G CS-11, but returns the error can not open / dev/sda1 .. and the syslog says hardware sense key error, the additional sense information, how can i fix it?
11:05<eBittin>do there exist any good wget gui written in gtk?
11:06<learner>babilen, there is no such channel or i cant find any from your links, any other help!!!!
11:07<babilen>learner: The channel is on another network. Try "/connect" and "/join #backtrack-linux"
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11:07<learner>child, first check whethe you have proper configuration to work with or not, run wvdialconf.
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11:08<babilen>learner: We support Debian in here and not other ditribution that are based on Debian or one of its children.
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11:09<child>learner the config is fine... the problem is find the modem
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11:11<child>learner i tried to install usbmodeswich but not solved
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11:12<learner>child, did you tried, kppp, give a try than lemme know! ok
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11:12<eBittin>btw is there any good way to get the volumekeys and eject key on a mac keyboard working on Debian PPC?
11:13<child>learner yes i tried too but kpp, gnome-ppp, wvdial, are same
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11:14<Karburator>Ok, one question. I want to use ssl certificate with apache. So I setup virtualhost
11:14<child>learner I do not know is why the modem does not want to open the way for wvdial if the device is right
11:14<learner>child, whats the result of wvdialconf, give me out.
11:15<Karburator>Is it wise to have such permissions for server.key file? -r--r----- 1 admin www-data 887 Mar 20 16:10 server.key
11:15<child>learner no such file or directory
11:17<child>looking at the syslog it seems the modem is recognized as a cdrom
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11:20<child>learner have any idea?
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11:35<Rimrul>I 'm installing 6.0.0 with xfce in Text mode from win95 in Dosmode. i want to parttion my 1.3GB HDD to swap and my 4.3GB HDD to ext2. Is it normal that I see a almost totaly blue screen with The text "Low Memory Mode" in the upper left corner and a blinking "_" in the lower left corner? (The line with the "_" has a black background.)
11:36<Rimrul>The Computer is very old (32Mb RAM, No USB, Pentium 1 CPU)
11:37<Rimrul>I used parted to partion the HDDs
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11:38<babilen>I would say a "Low Memory Mode" sounds reasonable in that case. I have never tried a recent linux on hardware that old though. emdebian might be worth a look. I would recommend at least 64MB RAM
11:38<Rimrul>i would use if i could.
11:40<hellyna>i am totally wondering if u can run xfce at all with 32mb
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11:40<johanhar>Is this the "official" debian channel?
11:40<Rimrul>i cant run I'm still installing
11:40<Neomorphix>johanhar: yes
11:40<ompaul>johanhar: points here
11:41<johanhar>Ok thanks
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11:42<hellyna>well i guess if the HDD light is blinking its making some progress?
11:43<Rimrul>hmm i dont know if it has a hdd light.
11:43<hellyna>or 'listen' to the hdd if its making some noise lol
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11:44<Rimrul>give me some minutes im a little bit away
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11:45<hellyna>me too. brb.
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11:48<johanhar>So I have used ubuntu for a while. Then I discovered awesome window manager. Had som trouble with the awesome-package from ubuntu being old. People told me that ubuntu wasnt as "bleeding edge", and I should look into debian test version. Also installing awesome window manager on ubuntu that comes with so much desktop "stuff" by default was a bit "odd". I wonder, how "bleeding edge" is debian test without being unstable?
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11:51<Rimrul>ok im back
11:51<SynrG>johanhar: it's hard to say anything in general about that. just compare versions of the things you care about.
11:51<SynrG>johanhar: see
11:52<johanhar>Whats the different on stable and test? The updates you get from updatemanager?
11:52<johanhar>Cant I have the stable version, and pick out test packages if I want to? I dont get the stable-test-unstable versions being so "different" other than the packages they downlaod/update/use
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11:53<johanhar>Reason I ask is that I read about updating from stable to test, and you could not go back.
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11:58<Rimrul>the hdds made a very little noise and where a little warmer than my hand. the computer is running since 11 o'clock
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12:05<abrotman>johanhar: that's generally how you break your system .. it's considered better to backport the packages you want
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12:08<johanhar>abrotman: ok thanks. Wont go for third-party test-packages from stable at least then. Guess I'll install the test version..
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12:09<babilen>johanhar: Of what?
12:09<johanhar>I mean having test version
12:09<dutchfish>cat /etc/debian_version
12:09<johanhar>Sorry for confusing you, I am a bit confused my self :P
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12:10<babilen>johanhar: Ah, its "testing" AKA "wheezy" but you might have a bumpy ride.
12:10<johanhar>Ok :D
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12:10<abrotman>johanhar: fair warning .. testing breaks sometimes
12:10<johanhar>Damn well arh..
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12:10<babilen>johanhar: Please note abrotman's remark on backporting. If you want something from testing or sid you can backport it yourself. -- /msg dpkg ssb
12:10<abrotman>judd: versions awesomewm
12:10<judd>Sorry, no package named 'awesomewm' was found in i386.
12:11<abrotman>judd: versions awesome
12:11<judd>Package awesome on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.4.6-1; sid: 3.4.9-1; wheezy: 3.4.9-1
12:11<abrotman>well, they all have pretty much the same versoin ?
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12:14<johanhar>babilen: what exactly is backporting? Getting something from a version ahead or "back" :P
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12:15<jhutchins_lt>johanhar: It's rebuilding a newer package in an older environment.
12:15<johanhar>Okay I see
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12:24<hellyna>Rimrul: what i meant is that if it makes some sort of like clicking noise means its reading or writing something. if not it prolly hanged
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12:25<Rimrul>yes i know
12:25<Rimrul>i think it is
12:25<hellyna>and i really doubt u can run xfce on 32mb of ram.
12:25<hellyna>128 maybe
12:25<Rimrul>the "_" ist still blinking
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12:26<Rimrul>xfce is one of the smallest ehm how do you say
12:26<Rimrul>yes im german
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12:27<hellyna>desktop environment
12:27<Rimrul>yes thats what I mean
12:27<hellyna>if u want a gui ... really lean one
12:27<hellyna>dont even run a DE
12:27<hellyna>run openbox or similar
12:28<hellyna>still 32bit is too little >_> but u can try
12:28<hellyna>32megs i mean
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12:29<Rimrul>i need the system to play music with xmms. and i dont have better hardware for free
12:30<Rimrul>i would even use an older version than squeze.
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12:30<hellyna>maybe u can do a command line system with ......................................... mpd
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12:31<Rimrul>it has to be graphical.
12:31<hellyna>u dont have other computers? :o. i mean u can control it with other computers via the same network
12:31<Rimrul>i don't have a network there.
12:31<hellyna>the graphical partwould be on other computers, but it would connect to the mpd daemon which runs on the old machine
12:31<babilen>Rimrul: try a slim window manager like fluxbox, openbox or one of the tiling ones like dwm, awesome or wmii
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12:32<Rimrul>if I would have other computers there I would use them. without network
12:33<K0JIbKA>FAQ my hell, that was piece of something. luckily i did not removed Vista from the laptop. so after X crash saying Fatal Error: no screens found I just can't access internet from Debian squeeze. now to take any action in here i have to ask for proper action, then reboot into Resque mode into Debian, got result, come back to Vista. Ans so on. Dual boot price!
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12:33<babilen>!tell Rimrul -about emdebian
12:33<babilen>!tell Rimrul -about dsl
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12:33<hellyna>emdebian? embedded?
12:33<K0JIbKA>and that's a hotel wireless in the middle of Belgium...
12:34<Rimrul>I know DSL. i even know WLan
12:34<K0JIbKA>How to bring X back after crash?
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12:34<K0JIbKA>it was there once
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12:35<Rimrul>I'm not stupid or from stoneage! thank you babilen
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12:36<babilen>Rimrul: DSL == damn small linux
12:36<hellyna>what i would susggest is first get the openbox running
12:36<babilen>Rimrul: Please read the factoids :)
12:36<hellyna>then we shall see if it can actually run xmms
12:36<Rimrul>I even kno that.
12:36<hellyna>or play music.
12:36<K0JIbKA>var/log/Xorg.conf.some.thing.inside keeps saying 'Fatal Error: no screens found'
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12:37<babilen>Rimrul: Wonderful. I haven't quite found the perfect crystal balls and my brain scanner does also not work good enough
12:37<hellyna>sorry for not being much of a help. i needa go for a few hours. bye ;)
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12:39<Rimrul>I'm sorry. I didn't want to be inpolite, but your message (dpkg) sucks. I don't want damn small, because it a) costs and b) isn't able to run xmms or winamp.
12:40<K0JIbKA>babilen: it did not work out. I'm not able to paste any output of command line anywhere. for that reason i have to wright down any output into paper! with 100 lines of code it's quite a challenge. How to use Restore Mode from 1st DVD in Squeeze?
12:40<Set>hi... i cant install corect codecs on debian sqeeze... the avi films start only in totem but they start very slow... in media player i have only voise, vlc is in 1.1.3 version and in vlc films dont start
12:40<Set>witch codec i should install?
12:40<Rimrul>@set: vlc media player
12:41<K0JIbKA>Set: try looking 'gstreamer' package
12:41<babilen>Rimrul: check emdebian then
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12:41<Set>ok km
12:41<babilen>K0JIbKA: Why can't you get online with that box?
12:41<Set>ok im checking now
12:42<babilen>Rimrul: And what do you mean by "it costs" ?
12:42<K0JIbKA>it's hotel network that requires to bring Browser interface first for pass/login
12:42<Set>dont have gstreame pack in repos but i have debian-multimedia repo
12:42<babilen>K0JIbKA: Marvellous ... does it work with w3m,link2, links or lynx?
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12:43<babilen>K0JIbKA: And the perfect place to choose for an upgrade ;)
12:43<K0JIbKA>babilen: have no idea how to call for Network Manager from command line
12:43<babilen>K0JIbKA: So what is the situation? Which nvidia packages do you have installed now?
12:44<Rimrul>oh sorry I missunderstood something on the dsl website.
12:44<Rimrul>ok its for free too.
12:44<K0JIbKA>on top of that i had to comment some e/n/i lines to make Network Manager running
12:45<babilen>K0JIbKA: There is cnetworkmanager, but this is one of the things that really suck about network-manager. I would recommend to try wicd, which is much better. You can also use plain wpa-supplicant to connect (read, for example, /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz)
12:45<K0JIbKA>babilen:i've 'apt-get remove nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings' so far
12:46<babilen>K0JIbKA: Ok, so what does "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" give you?
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12:46<K0JIbKA>babilen: it gave no repoes in DVD
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12:46<K0JIbKA>babilen:not found
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12:47<babilen>K0JIbKA: Is the DVD available?
12:47<babilen>K0JIbKA: mounted?
12:47<K0JIbKA> only
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12:48<babilen>K0JIbKA: Should be fine ... 'dpkg -l "*nvidia*"|grep -e "^ii"' then
12:48<K0JIbKA>i couldn't find any graphical card setting in Resque mode
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12:49<K0JIbKA>i used Graphical Resque mode from DVD-1
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12:51<babilen>K0JIbKA: it is hard to help you like this. I have no idea if you still have the nvidia drivers installed, which particular package they have been installed from, how they are configured and which particular error you get. I would work on getting online first (even if you just use "vesa" instead of nvidia or by using wpa-supplicant + a cli browser like w3m)
12:52<babilen>K0JIbKA: If you followed my earlier advice you should be able to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and replace "nvidia" with "vesa" to get X working again
12:52<babilen>i'll be back later
12:52<K0JIbKA>so, now to reinstall Debian from scratch again!? c'mon it's only some configuration file. ok, i'll try 'wpa-supplicant' + 'lynx'. thank for giving a support
12:52<phorce1_home>woohoo, nvidia. I just spent an hour doig that "the nvidia way". Helped me clean up some unused kernels and stuff though
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12:55<K0JIbKA>floating back to command line -> offline :)
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13:30<Black_Prince>Is it possible to download udebs needed by debian installer to local repository?
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13:35<Nem>anyone have spare 5 mins to try and work out whats wrong with my debian/bind installation?
13:35<Black_Prince>Try me
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13:35<Black_Prince>I have 22 mins before download is finished
13:35<Nem>ok, ty :)
13:36<Nem>well i tried once, and it didnt work, re-install and still not working
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13:36<Nem>on an unmanaged server
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13:36<Nem>as far as i know theres only like 3 files which need editting to get it to work?
13:36<Black_Prince>There are as many files as you want
13:36<Black_Prince>named.conf.local and named.conf.options are meant to be edited
13:37<Nem>i tried doing it all via commands, but that didnt work, so am currently trying with webmin but that still doesnt work
13:37<Black_Prince>But you can add your own config files, zones, reverse zones etc
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13:38<Nem>yea, in conf.local is my zone
13:38<Nem>zone "" {
13:38<Nem> type master;
13:38<Nem> file "/etc/bind/";
13:38<Nem> };
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13:38<Nem>hmm, i guess pastes arnt allowed here
13:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:41<Black_Prince>And what is the problem?
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13:42<Nem>when i type it doesnt resolve
13:42<Black_Prince>Your hosts file seems to be ok
13:42<Nem>if i use something like dnssy to check
13:42<Nem>it compains about a lack of A records
13:42<Black_Prince>Ok, is your domain pointed to ns1 and ?
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13:43<Black_Prince>And did you setup these two to point to your ip
13:43<arand>Is there a way to find (and rename) all files with filenames which would be win-incompatible?
13:43<Nem>yea, at the registar i change dns to ns1 and ns2, then its asks for IPs, which i put in, i onyl have 1 for the server
13:43<Black_Prince>This is done in domain registar
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13:43<Black_Prince>You can put both of them for ns1 and ns2
13:43<Nem>yea, thats what i did
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13:44<Nem>takes a while to load that for some reason
13:44<Nem>but it just complains about a lack of A records
13:45<Black_Prince>Nem, do you have a router or firewall?
13:45<Nem>well the server is hosted by OVH
13:45<Black_Prince>Are you logged in onto server?
13:46<Nem>and as far as i know the linux firewall is set to allow everything
13:46<Black_Prince>Try this
13:46<Black_Prince>do mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak
13:46<petemc>thats not the problem
13:46<petemc>Nem: the host you have designated isnt answering dns requests
13:46<Black_Prince>echo 'nameserver' > /etc/resolv.conf
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13:47<Black_Prince>It seems that port 53 is blocked somehow
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13:47<Black_Prince>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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13:47<petemc>Nem: bind logs to syslog
13:47<Black_Prince>this is what I get when I run 'dig domainname'
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13:48<Nem>resolv.conf already contains the 127 ip
13:49<Black_Prince>So, no one has a clue how to download debian installer udeb files?
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13:49<Black_Prince>do host yourdomain
13:49<Nem> has address
13:50<Nem>which is the server ip
13:50<Black_Prince>So, bind is ok
13:50<Black_Prince>It may be your provider issue, or firewall issue
13:50<Nem>so you think something could be blocking port 53?
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13:52<Nem>could the hostname of the server cause a problem?
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13:52<Nem>its set to some random name when it got installed
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13:52<Nem>and theres nothing in syslog related to bind
13:53<Black_Prince>look at this
13:53<vit>hola como esta?
13:53<Black_Prince>!es vit
13:53<dpkg>vit: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:54<johanhar>I figured I want the wheezy instead of squeezy, but I burned the only cd I have left. Been searching around on debian's offical website, couldnt find any instructions on how to update.
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13:55<abrotman>!tell johanhar about squeeze->wheezy
13:55<Black_Prince>johanhar just change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to wheezy or testing
13:55<abrotman>good luck
13:55<abrotman>not testing .. use 'wheezy'
13:55<Black_Prince>Nem, can you pastebin your netstat -ntlpu output
13:55<johanhar>Thank Black_Prince and abrotman
13:57<Black_Prince>Oh that is the problem
13:57<Black_Prince>bind is only listening on
13:57<Black_Prince>Lets try this
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13:58<Black_Prince>Open /etc/bind/named.conf.options and add or append to line listen-on {; yourip; };
13:58<Black_Prince>After that restart bind and check syslog for errors
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14:01<Nem>hope theres no secret info in that ^.^
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14:02<Nem>no way
14:02<Nem>it actually works
14:02<Black_Prince>it is open
14:02<Nem>i cannot thank-you enough
14:02<Nem>thats ridiculous, after 4 days of messing around
14:02<Nem>nowhere does it say i have to put my own ip in
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14:11<edbian>If I use sudo -i at the beginning of my script will the script stay as root for the remainder? (This is what I want). The script runs for a while and I have a very short sudo length. I'd rather not have to type the sudo password in more than once.
14:12<Black_Prince>Well Nem, it *should* automaticaly listen on all interfaces ...
14:12<abrotman>edbian: why not run the script with sudo privs ?
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14:13<themill>edbian: the short answer is "no".
14:13<edbian>abrotman, Well it's in /usr/local/bin. I supposed I could just run 'sudo scriptName' How can i make the script handle when sudo is not used? (The script:
14:14<edbian>whoami != root ?
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14:16<cucaracha>i need some help here
14:16<abrotman>judd: info cron-apt --release squeeze
14:16<judd>Package cron-apt (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: automatic update of packages using apt-get. Version: 0.8.2; Size: 26.4k; Installed: 96k
14:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:17<sney>oh hi cucaracha, it didn't work? :9
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14:17<edbian>abrotman, Is that intended for me?
14:17<cucaracha>finally i found a wired way to fix it
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14:19<cucaracha>here is another question ,i have two video card in my laptop
14:19<sney>how did you get sound working? just curious
14:20<cucaracha>wait i may post the solution link
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14:22<cucaracha>i do the same way bmc5311 do
14:23<Jak3>is there a server for backtrack 4?
14:23<cucaracha>then my sound can work
14:23<sney>Jak3: freenode, #backtrack-linux
14:23<Jak3>what sney?
14:24<sney>Jak3: open your network list again, select freenode, join the channel #backtrack-linux
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14:25<Jak3>no members on it =(
14:25<sney>Jak3: some hacker you are if you can't figure out irc.
14:25<cucaracha>that is strange, but it really work
14:26<sney>cucaracha: remove amarok? huh, interesting
14:26<Jak3>i dont use backtrack 4f r2 for hacking..... i use it because its faster than windows.... but the only machine i managed to penatrate was
14:26<cucaracha>i don't know ,i install it then remove it
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14:27<Jak3>sney are u using backtrack 4?
14:27<sney>Jak3: I'm so happy for you. Please open your network list (right click on the channel window), scroll down in the list, select FREENODE, and connect to that. the channel #backtrack-linux is where you can fulfill your fantasies of being l33t.
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14:28<Jak3>im in it you non-educated delinquint
14:28<themill>Jak3: backtrack wasn't on-topic in #ubuntu and it's not ontopic here. Please register your account with nickserv on freenode (/msg nickserv help register) and then go into #backtrack-linux over there.
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14:28<cucaracha>rebuilding alsa seem's doesn't work my sound , however ,really thanks for your help sney
14:29<sney>cucaracha: no problem, now what's the next issue?
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14:30<cucaracha>how do i know which videocard is used in my laptop ? i have two videocards
14:30<sney>two video cards in a laptop? some kind of SLI, I guess?
14:31<cucaracha>i cna,t find information in gui, any terminal suggestion?
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14:32<Lethalman>cucaracha, xrandr
14:32<Lethalman>don't remember if it gives you enough information though
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14:35<sney>cucaracha: are the video cards identical?
14:36<cucaracha>lethalman : it looks like "LVDS1 connected 1366x768+0+0 ...." what's "LVDS1" really mean?
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14:37<cucaracha>one is intel 915 other is ati4300
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14:39<cahoot>lvds is the monitor
14:40<cahoot>cucaracha: see if /var/log/Xorg.0.log tells you more
14:40<sney>glxinfo might also say (that's in mesa-utils if you don't have it installed)
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14:46<cucaracha>mmmm, i do " glxinfo | grep Intel "
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14:46<cucaracha>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset GEM 20091221 2009Q4
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14:47<cucaracha>so it looks like i am using intel 915
14:48<abrotman>lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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14:48<abrotman>oh .. you hve two . ignore me
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14:48<johanhar>Anyone know how to make dualboot work with debian and os x on a macbook?
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14:50<sney> is probably what you want, johanhar
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14:51<cucaracha>thanks for every suggestion , but i have to left now
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14:53<Isa>How are you??
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14:57<johanhar>sney: thanks
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15:00<zulu>hi there, I "need" a kernel > 2.6.32 (because of alsa bug), I'm running unstable, I can't see other kernel than 2.6.37 and 2.6.38, unfortunately, fglrx-source won't compile on these. Question: why can't I find 2.6.3[3456] debian package in unstable?
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15:01<sney>zulu: because they were skipped in experimental, for whatever reason
15:02<sney>zulu: you could probably build one of them from source, though unknown if that'll make any difference re fglrx
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15:07<gsimmons>zulu: fglrx-source was dropped in unstable, you would want to compile using the fglrx-modules-dkms package. The version is unstable has support for Linux 2.6.38.
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15:17<johanhar>I am installing debian, and found instructions to go go second virtual console.
15:17<johanhar>Now how do I get out of here :) Back to graphical install
15:18<johanhar>exit did not work :(
15:19<johanhar>Thanks :)
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15:20<MrFrood>X will start on the first free VT - by default debian starts six
15:20<MrFrood>so normally X is on 7
15:21<babilen>johanhar: I really hope that you are installing squeeze
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15:24<rgammans>tify eh10nide
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15:26<vagrantc>does debian squeeze's gpg have sane defaults for strong checksums or whatever when generating keys?
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15:28<vagrantc>as in the hashes
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15:35<vagrantc>well, i know the opening statement in that isn't true anymore ... so what else is true?
15:36<babilen>vagrantc: ugh, sorry for linking to outdated docs in that case.
15:37<vagrantc>no worries...
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15:47<agent1>hi there any good tool to jailbreak ipad 2
15:48<agent1>i running debian 6 squeeze
15:48<agent1>sorry 64 bit
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15:48<planet8>Where the hell is grubs menu.1st on squeeze?
15:49<cahoot>grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg - but the config is doen in /etc/grub.d
15:50<planet8>cahoot, thanks
15:50<cahoot>...and /etc/default/grub
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15:51<agent1>ipad user here
15:52<agent1>how to jailbreak ipad 2 debian 6 squeeze
15:53<babilen>planet8: read, in particular, the info pages referenced at the top of /etc/default/grub
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15:58<planet8>So if I install memtest and I do a update-grub, where can I see that it has been added to the boot up list? Previously that would be displayed in menu.1st
15:58<cahoot> /boot/grub/grub.cfg (and it is/was .lst)
15:58<mc68040>damn, i just upgraded a lenny desktop system with network managed by networkmanager to squeeze, but when rebooting after installing linux-image-2.6-686 and udev as described in the releasenotes the networkmanager doesnt find any networks - is this a known issue?
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16:04<ompaul>mc68040: what does uname -a say
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16:10<mc68040>ompaul: 2.6.32-5-686 running, "ifconfig -a" says theres wlan0, but networkmanager doesnt recoginze any netowrork devices - its an hp compaq 7620s laptop
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16:12<phillipsjk>i think ompaul was asking how far along the upgrade was. (ie does uname say lenny or squeeze)
16:12<ompaul>mc68040: I take it you have it wired atm?
16:13<mc68040>ompaul: nope, wireless lan, already looking for cable to connect
16:14<ompaul>mc68040: and what does lsb_release -a say
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16:17<mc68040>ompaul: 6.0.1/squeeze
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16:18<mc68040>ompaul: i connected cable now, added "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and after "ifup eth0" i have at least network again now
16:18<ompaul>mc68040: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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16:19<mc68040>ompaul: networkmanager in gnome still says "no available network devices"...
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16:19<ompaul>mc68040: did you do what I suggested - reason as in phillipsjk point - lets make sure the whole thing is awake and up to date
16:20<mc68040>ompaul: what u suggested?
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16:21<ompaul>mc68040: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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16:24<mc68040>ompaul: well, i can try now after having network again - but the original prob was that there was no network anymore after "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686; apt-get install udev; apt-get install firmaware-linux-non-free"
16:24<mc68040>ompaul: im glad that i didnt try remote... :)
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16:26<ompaul>mc68040: wireless remote --- see the problem as I see it is that something is not right linux-image-2.6-686 should provide the latest kernel
16:26<ompaul>which you should have had after apt-get upgrade it is a dummy package
16:26<mc68040>ompaul: not only wireless, i even had to configure wired manually - must be something with dbus/networkmanager
16:26<ompaul>why install udev?
16:27<mc68040>ompaul: i did what the releasenotes say - yes i really read what they write... :D
16:28<ompaul>which DE are you using?
16:28<mc68040>ompaul: "DE"?
16:28<ompaul>desktop environment
16:29<mc68040>ompaul: gnome
16:29<phillipsjk>mc68040 do you use non-free repositories? firmware has been moved to non-free.
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16:31<ompaul>mc68040: and the last package in the list you gave is apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree not as spelt and with one less -
16:32<ompaul>mc68040: just in case
16:32<mc68040>ompaul: i know, and i already installed it - just to be sure - "ifconfig -a" show me eth0 and wlan0 but networkmanager doesnt...
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16:32<ompaul>dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
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16:33<ompaul>mc68040: ^^ kick the daemon in the head
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16:33*ompaul flinches at such violence
16:33<mc68040>ompaul: its an customer laptop i wanted to upgrade - i for myself use sid for years, so i know what to do :D
16:34<mc68040>ompaul: i just wanted to know whtether its a know issue
16:34<ompaul>mc68040: ok - we aren't seeing streams of people going my du killed my wireless
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16:36<mc68040>ompaul: i decided to reinstall the laptop now anyway - switch to amd64 and bcs i cant dist-upgrade due to partition sizes
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16:37<babilen>mc68040: If you feel so inclined you could wade through the installation-reports
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16:39<mc68040>babilen: hmm, i think ill do, at least the releasenotes should include a warning about possible problems whern using networkmanager managed network
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16:40<babilen>mc68040: That note should be included in the description of network-manager ;)
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16:40<babilen>mc68040: But jokes aside, I completely agree.
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16:47<Mike632T>Any one out there a bit of a whizz with the kdemultimedia kio plugin - I'm running kde on debian squeeze. I can see 'Ogg Vorbis' and 'FLAC' folders when browsing a CD in Dolphin but there are no FLAC or CDDA settings tabs under 'Audio CDs' in the advanced user settings.
16:47<Mike632T>I've been googling for ages but have not found anything useful yet, it is probably a missing package but I don't know which one..
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16:49<babilen>Mike632T: If you don't get an answer here, you might want to try the debian-{user,kde} mailing list or the #debian-kde channel
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16:50<babilen>Mike632T: #kde (i guess freenode) might also be a good place to ask, they should be able to tell you exactly what you need and we (or apt-file for example) could tell you which packages you need to install
16:50<Mike632T>Thanks - #kdemultimedia was a bit quiet!
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16:52<babilen>Mike632T: Sorry, I don't know anything about KDE but wanted to give you a few other ports to call
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16:55<Mike632T>Thanks will try #debian-kde
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16:57<mutante>yay, can haz (old) xmms on wheezy, via apt-get... and gets me gtk1.2 :) ..nostalgia!
16:57<mutante>deb ./
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17:01<mc68040>mutante: im only curious, why u use xmms?
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17:09<mutante>mc68040: i try to avoid that discussion :) but let me try this
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17:15<jhutchins_lt>mutante: Sorry, but that article is unreadable drivel.
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17:16<jhutchins_lt>mutante: Trying way to hard to be cute and funny and not conveying any significant information that I could find.
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17:17<mc68040>mutante: i dont want to discuss, i loved xmms too and regret that its not in "official" repos anymore
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17:18<jhutchins_lt>,versions xmms
17:18<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xmms' was found in i386.
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17:18<jhutchins_lt>It's in dmm though - probably has "illegal" codecs.
17:18<mc68040>,version xmmms2
17:18<dvs>jhutchins_lt: audacious now
17:19<jhutchins_lt>I thought it was xine.
17:19<mc68040>,versipn xmms2
17:19<mc68040>,version xmms2
17:19<Black_Prince>,version xmms2
17:19<Black_Prince>,versions xmms2
17:19<judd>Package xmms2 on i386 -- lenny: 0.5DrLecter-2; sid: 0.7DrNo+dfsg-2; squeeze: 0.7DrNo+dfsg-2; wheezy: 0.7DrNo+dfsg-2
17:20<jhutchins_lt>xine is what amarok uses.
17:20<jhutchins_lt>mc68040: There you have it, still official.
17:20<mc68040>Black_Prince: thx, too late here now... i REALLY should not type anymore
17:21<Black_Prince>That happened to me last night
17:21<Black_Prince>So, you are not the only one :|
17:21<jhutchins_lt>It's caught me too.
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17:25<ryanc>how safe is an lenny -> squeeze upgrade
17:26<Black_Prince>!tell ryanc about lenny->squeeze
17:26<mc68040>jhutchins_lt: well, xmms2 is client/server based and i never had enough time/interest to get it up and running in a secure way - xmms was standalone, no need to to free my private sound library :)
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17:29<mc68040>ryanc: and be aware that networkmanager seems to fail after the reboot ;)
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17:30<ryanc>Ick. Why would I use network manager?
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17:31<ryanc>the box in question is a server
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17:32<Black_Prince>xmms needs glib and gtk 1.2
17:32<mc68040>ryanc: eeeehhhh, u use windows as your graphical workstation? seriously, i use debian on several laptops and had to today an issue with gnome/networkmanager when upgrading to squeeze
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17:33<ryanc>no, my network configs just tend to make network manager cry?
17:34<ompaul>ryanc: your network manager is vi?
17:34<mutante>no, xmms2 != xmms
17:34<mutante>Black_Prince: yep, thats what that repo is for, it has gtk1.2 etc
17:34<Black_Prince>I am trying to compile xmms, not xmms2
17:34<ryanc>one of my boxes has an /etc/network/interfaces that's about 90 lines long
17:35<Black_Prince>I am lucky that I compiled glib and gtk 1.2 for squeeze long time ago
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17:35<Black_Prince>Using Lenny .diff
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17:35<mutante>Black_Prince: apt-get update; apt-get install xmms | after you put this in your sources.list: deb ./
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17:35<Black_Prince>I do not trust 3rd party repositories
17:35<mutante>Black_Prince: thats exactly why i mentioned it, the ~knuta guy fixed it today
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17:36<mc68040>ryanc: short version: i did an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686; apt-get install udev" on a gnome workstation with networkmanager managed networks and after reboot i had no network at all
17:37<ryanc>The only time I'd use something like network manager is for wifi
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17:38<mc68040>ryanc: i like the vpn management too (openvpn and vpnc)
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17:39<ryanc>that sounds like it might be worthwhile if i needed to connect to a cisco vpn
17:39<mutante>mc68040: see, there are many people who want for all kinds of reasons..even if it is just nostalgia.. or they dont want a server/client approach and that deaemon running, or a choice of a million clients, or bloated media libs and video players... i just wanted it see if i can. and because i'm old(-fashioned)..and you always get the "why not amarok/audacious/$whatever" answers,you know :)
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17:40<ryanc>i prefer to just deal with stuff from the command line anyway
17:40<kop_>Black_Prince: The <overview> factoid has some information on multimedia.
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17:41*ryanc has a nice script for xmms2 that stops the music if the screen has been locked more than 15 minutes
17:41<Black_Prince>** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory
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17:41<Black_Prince>Oh well, I didn't need oss-compat till now
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17:44<Black_Prince>Very lightweight player ... It just uses 2MB of RAM
17:44<Black_Prince>The right choice for older pc's
17:44<ryanc>Black_Prince: I somewhat suspect you'd have an easier time running classic winamp under wine
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17:44<mc68040>mutante: all u wrote is true for me, thats why i regret that xmms disappeared, i compiled for a while for my own but now i use totem because im lazy
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17:45<phillipsjk>I removed gnome and installed xfce; now sound is not working. I ran through the alsa checklist. Playing the testfile works for root. Xfce pulled in aumix, so suspect it is using oss.
17:45<Black_Prince>I never liked winamp
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17:46<Black_Prince>In windows I always use WMP11 + K-Lite Mega Codec pack
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17:46<Black_Prince>But I saw people said many good things about xmms, so I decided to give it a try
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17:49<phillipsjk>Does oss-compatibility need any special configuration?
17:50<Nemoder>Black_Prince: you might look into audacious, it's a fork of xmms
17:50<Black_Prince>Nemoder, I will, thanks
17:50<ryanc>Black_Prince: I figured you liked xmms because it was a clone of winamp
17:51<Black_Prince>No, I just saw many people said that it was good - I wanted to see why
17:51<ryanc>it says it's *not* related to xmms
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17:51<Nemoder>oh hmm I thought it started that way
17:52<ryanc>it's a fork of a fork actually
17:52<ryanc>i misread
17:52<Nemoder>ahh i see
17:53<Black_Prince>That's really confusing
17:53<Nemoder>well it's a similar layout and has a lot of the same plugins, that's why I switched to it instead of xmms2
17:55<mc68040>ill give it a try :)
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17:57<Nemoder>Rhythmbox is the most popular I think, but I like a simple music player, don't need a full music library suite
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17:58<s_i_m>no, mpd is the most popular :-p
17:58<Black_Prince>I use Rhythmbox too
17:59<Black_Prince>Anyone tried banshee (media) player?
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18:01<mc68040>i use rhythmbox only for streaming internet radio, i dont like full music libary suites too, especially because my collection doesnt follow the standards
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18:05<awesome>pastubbs, What's up? :P
18:05<awesome>I followed you
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18:09<abcd82>DeaDBieF is good, , tried out few months ago, now use as main player
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18:14<Black_Prince>There's only one thing in Rhythmbox that's bugging me ... When I turn shuffle on, it plays songs randomly, but instead of going random untill all songs are played, some songs are played 5 times, and some aren't played at all
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18:21<slush>Black_Prince: if it has a consume option, you might want to turn it on
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18:24<Black_Prince>I don't see it
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18:24<planet8>Does there exist a memory tester tool that can be run from console?
18:25<thirtytwobitrig>Hi, still having a problem with xorg and resolutions for the acer x193w monitor. highest resolution I can get, 1360x768. want 1440x900. monitor is labelled "unknown" in prefs. any ideas, please? It is driving me up the wall.
18:25<dpkg>To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester, all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live>. Set memtest86=true in /boot/grub/menu.lst and "update-grub" to enable memtest86/memtest86+ boot selections in GRUB Legacy. make-memtest86-boot-floppy / make-memtest86+-boot-floppy does as named. See also <badram>.
18:25<planet8>Black_Prince, doesn't work from the console.
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18:25<thirtytwobitrig>my gpu is not the problem (intel g41). it appears to be the monitor.
18:26<Black_Prince>memtester or ?
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18:26<Black_Prince>thirtytwobitrit, I have also an Intel Video Card, and I have exactly the same issue as you
18:27<Black_Prince>I know my monitor supports up to 1600x900, but I only get up to 1360x768
18:27<planet8>Black_Prince, yes, memtester doesn't work from the console as far as I know (using ssh for example)
18:27<thirtytwobitrig>Black_Prince, indeed, there are quite a few posts on it around. no solutions.
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18:28<thirtytwobitrig>funny thing is, everything is good until xserver-xorg is installed
18:29<Mr-R>planet8: there is memtest86 and there is memtester. you could try memtester with ssh.
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18:30<planet8>Mr-R, did know about memtester.. thanks
18:30<Mr-R>planet8: or if you have physical access... ok
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18:32<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: maybe an issue of assigned video ram?
18:32<thirtytwobitrig>in bios?
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18:34<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: maybe, i have intel grapics with full 1680*1050 on my laptop
18:34<Black_Prince>Note to self: Never again type memtester fullmemamount into ssh console
18:34<Mr-R>Black_Prince: good advice. :o)
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18:35<Black_Prince>Or you will have to hard reboot ...
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18:36<shipship>hi! i downloaded all debian dvd isos. is there a way to put them in sources.list? i dont want to burn them all
18:36<thirtytwobitrig>mc68040, as in xserver needs more RAM specifically? because I had all my resolutions available, + the monitor recognized as Acer x193w, up until I had to install xserver for allegro5.
18:36<Black_Prince>shipship mount iso as cdrom device
18:37<thirtytwobitrig>then this problem. It also happened on ubuntu, and on a different computer with a different gpu, but same monitor.
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18:38<thirtytwobitrig>makes me think xserver has a bit of a problem with the Acer x193w. so the ? is, how do I get xserver-xorg to recognize the acer monitor?
18:39<Black_Prince>Try to play it
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18:39<Black_Prince>I have wasted a lot of time on that topic, but I decided to give it up and live with 1024x768 resolution
18:40<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: manually create a xorg.conf with appropriate mode lines?
18:41<shipship>what do i need to do after mounting them?
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18:42<Black_Prince>apt-cdrom -d=/path/to/mountpount add
18:42<Black_Prince>But you have to add entry for /path/to/mountpoint to fstab
18:43<Black_Prince>something like this -> /path/to/filename.iso /path/to/mountpoint iso9660 loop 0 0
18:43<shipship>ok i will try this. thanks alot
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18:43<thirtytwobitrig>mc68040, yeah. tried a few things in that area. no joy. eventually tried a virtual screen and ended up having to use systemrescuecd to get the system running again.
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18:44<thirtytwobitrig>can't find any comprehensive docs on configuring xorg.conf, just snatches here and there on posts.
18:44<fireball>i just upgraded from Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze. Now MySQL will not start. Anyone have any suggestions?
18:45<Black_Prince>fireball, did you look at /var/log/daemon.log ?
18:45<thirtytwobitrig>it is probably the solution right there, but there are no guides (that I can find, at any rate)
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18:46<fireball>black_prince: i had not but i'm looking at it now.
18:48<fireball>it says 0 processes are alive...
18:48<fireball>not very useful info
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18:48<thirtytwobitrig>Black_Prince, that looks about the size of it. I am wasting a lot of time on it, too.
18:48<fireball>it suggests i try to start mysql with --skip-grant
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18:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
18:49<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: you had a look at package videogen?
18:49<Black_Prince>fireball Paste output into pastebin
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18:51<fireball>(sorry i'm new to pastebin...trying to figure it out)
18:51*phillipsjk just install a media player using alsa instead of troubleshooting oss-compatibility
18:51<Black_Prince>Just copy it to url after clicking on submit or whatever
18:51<Black_Prince>just copy url*
18:51<fireball>i'm on; i pasted text into the text field. don't see how to get url
18:51<thirtytwobitrig>mc68040 no, I hadn't. looking it up right now. I was trying to avoid using things like xrandr and whatnot, but if that's the solution, what else is there to try?
18:52<Black_Prince>click on submit
18:52<fireball>i c now
18:52<fireball>it creates a custom url
18:53<thirtytwobitrig>XF86? now does that live happily with xorg?
18:53<Black_Prince>fireball, type mysqld_safe &
18:53<Black_Prince>And pastebin any output you get
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18:54<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: i have some (older) diskless X-Stations running older xorg version which need screen sections in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:54<fireball>it says "command not found"
18:54<Black_Prince>Do you have mysql-server installed? Are you trying that command as root or normal user?
18:55<fireball>might be an installation problem
18:55<themill>!squeeze mysql
18:55<dpkg>Following an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, the "mysql-server-5.1" package is often not installed as a replacement to "mysql-server-5.0". "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"; you may also need to update any customisations to your server configuration from 5.0 to 5.1.
18:56<thirtytwobitrig>mc68040, now there's something. I am looking at my xorg.conf and it does have a screen section (which is what I have been editing) but no Display section. This is what I mean about now guide...
18:56<fireball>in aptitude, mysql-server-5.1 has a C in the leftmost column. anyone know what that means?
18:57<fireball>i'm trying the command as root, but i'm not sure mysql-server is properly installed
18:57<fireball>apparently not
18:57<Black_Prince>Look what bot 'said'
18:57<Black_Prince>look at*
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18:58<thirtytwobitrig>BTW, I did not have that xorg.conf to start with. it was generated by X -configure. with that, I also will add that dpkg-reconfigure does absolutely nothing. not even an error or file not found, and such
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18:58<themill>fireball: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search mysql-server"
18:58<thirtytwobitrig>seems very fragmented
18:59<thirtytwobitrig>at least where LCD monitors are concerned
18:59<winsen1>hello evybody , i tried to see my grub list "cat /boot/grub/menu.lst" this command doesn't work, can you tell me why? thank you
19:00<fireball>themill - the output looks problematic, but i'm not sure what C means.
19:00<Black_Prince>winsenl, If you are using squeeze, grub legacy has been replaced by grub 2 and it's grub list is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
19:01<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: in is described how to create a xorg.conf as a starting point for customation
19:01<themill>fireball: ; you should "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1"
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19:02<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: more or less "Xorg -configure' while X is shut down
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19:03<thirtytwobitrig>mc68040, yeah, that's worth a try. off to fiddle again. thanks.
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19:04<fireball>themill: when i run the aptitude command, i get some errors. see pastebin
19:05<bidaboy_>hi all, i created a simple upload page in wamp and i copied to the server (Debian), now i can't upload files !?
19:05<themill>fireball: what does /var/log/mysql.* have to say about why it didn't start?
19:06<babilen>winsen1: What are you trying to achieve?
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19:07<grummund>Hi, could someone remind me how to enable ip forwarding please? (currently do not have www access)
19:08<fireball>themill, both /var/log/mysql.err and mysql.log are empty. There are some others (mysql.log.1.gz, mysql.log.2.gz, etc) but they are from several hours ago.
19:08<Black_Prince>mysql 5.1 logs into syslog or daemon.log as I remember
19:10<babilen>grummund: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 (or ipv6) in /etc/sysctl.conf -- see also "man sysctl" and in particular the -w option
19:12<fireball>here's the contents of /var/lib/mysql.error.log :
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19:13<Black_Prince>Fireball, pastebin output of /etc/mysql/my.cnf
19:14<Black_Prince>that should be contents ... not output
19:14<mc68040>fireball: there are two error in logfile:
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19:14<themill>fireball: «[ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb'» there's your culprit.
19:14<mc68040>fireball: 110320 16:03:22 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it.
19:15<themill>(line 132 of my.cnf)
19:15<Black_Prince>comment out in mysql.cnf
19:15<mc68040>fireball: 110320 16:03:22 [ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb'
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19:16<Black_Prince>I wish I could remember what line is something in some configuration file :|
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19:16<fireball>mysql_upgrade fails this way:
19:16<mc68040>fireball: isnt there a my.cnf.dpkg-dist in /etc/mysql?
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19:17<fireball>Black_Prince, I already tried removing that line from my.cnf and it did not solve the problem.
19:17<Black_Prince>try now dpkg --configure -a
19:18<fireball>mc68040, yes, file /etc/mysql/my.cnf.dpkg-dist does exist
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19:19<mc68040>fireball: try to move /etc/mysql/my.cnf to my.cnf.old and move my.cnf.dpkg-dist to my.cnf
19:20<fireball>i already tried that and it did not help
19:20<fireball>last msg was for mc68040
19:21<Black_Prince>Oh dear
19:21<grummund>babilen: thanks for that
19:21<fireball>Black_Prince, here's the result of the dpkg command:
19:21<babilen>grummund: you are welcome
19:22<Black_Prince>What's again the output of /var/lib/mysql/mysql.error.log or whatever log is called?
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19:23<fireball>black_prince, here it is:
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19:24<Black_Prince>Apparently you didn't remove skip-bdb line from /etc/mysql/my.cnf
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19:24<fireball>no, i tried that before. didn't make a difference. i can try it again and repaste the output of the log file just to be sure....trying now
19:25<mc68040>fireball: or in some configurstion file in /etc/mysql/conf.d
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19:25<thirtytwobitrig>oh, so I am not banned after all. funniest thing. after doing all that gdm3 stop stuff and starting X again when I tried to come back here it said I was banned :/
19:26<thirtytwobitrig>could not imagine who I had insulted
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19:27<Black_Prince>Well, I'm off to bed ... Cya
19:27<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: root is banned here
19:27<AAA>lpease stay with me
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19:27<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: for obvious reasons :)
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19:28<AAA>i have question
19:28<thirtytwobitrig>yeah :D
19:28<AAA>i want use armitage
19:28<AAA>i need java
19:28<AAA>how can i install that?
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19:29<themill>!install java
19:29<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>.
19:29<fireball>contents of /var/lib/mysql/mysql.error.log:
19:29<AAA>thank you
19:30<AAA>whats your name??
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19:31<thirtytwobitrig>anyway, Xorg -configure did exactly what X -configure did and made me an identical in root. moved it to /etc/X11, as xorg.conf. Still an unkown monitor, still the same reso's.
19:31<AAA>i have ip
19:31<Mike632T>just why would you want to use armitage ?
19:31<AAA>frome 1 server
19:31<AAA>i have ip frome server
19:32<babilen>AAA: consider using punctuation characters in lieu of the enter key :)
19:32<AAA>i can conected that whit vpn
19:32<AAA>some port on server is open
19:32<mc68040>fireball: i think u need to run mysql_update
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19:32<AAA>i want use that and hack the server
19:33<themill>AAA: sounds like you're in the wrong place
19:33<fireball>mc68040, it says command not found
19:33<mc68040>fireball: i meant mysql_upgrade
19:33<AAA>do you now another way too hack??
19:33<fireball>mc68040, it says it's already upgraded
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19:34<AAA>server place in iran
19:34<fireball>now, aptitude status of mysql-server-5.1 is "i"
19:34<fireball>but mysql-server-core-5.1 is "i A"
19:34<fireball>not sure what the A means
19:34<AAA>i can see shared file on server
19:34<themill>fireball: that's fine -- Automatically installed
19:35<thirtytwobitrig>fiddling, fiddling. Gawd, if I ever get to the bottom of this I vow to post a guide in big letters with lots of tags specifically for the G41 with Acer x193w for xorg
19:35<fireball>so now installation seems ok
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19:35<babilen>fireball: It means that is was automatically installed as a dependency/recommend of another package. "aptitude why mysql-server-5.1" will tell you the reason
19:35<themill>AAA: you're in the wrong place in so many ways.
19:36<fireball>babilien, it makes sense for it to have been installed automatically
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19:36<babilen>fireball: try "bab<TAB>" ;)
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19:37<fireball>babilien, it says "command not found"
19:37-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
19:37-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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19:38<babilen>fireball: In your IRC client. Nicknames can be automatically completed with tab-completion, as can paths btw
19:38<Mike632T>thirtytwobitrig: I guess you have already worked out that if xorc.conf is missing a section X just uses it best guess as th what the settings should be - dpkg-reconfigure doesn't add anything either. I had to explicitly specify the right sections for my display and monitor to get the resolution right on my rig..
19:39<StefanoNoto>soebody can help me?
19:39<fireball>mysql is working now
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19:39<fireball>thank you everyone!
19:39<StefanoNoto>how tu use xfce?
19:39<babilen>StefanoNoto: Sure, just ask your question.
19:39<mc68040>fireball: what you did to get it working?
19:39<babilen>StefanoNoto: You mean how to actually use it or how to install it?
19:39<StefanoNoto>hot to use xfce deskto
19:40<fireball>first i had to get the package correctly configured; then i had to run debian_upgrade
19:40<StefanoNoto>i istallde
19:40<fireball>although it seems to have lost all the data
19:40<fireball>minor detail
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19:40<mc68040>fireball: "minor"? i cal lthat a desaster :)
19:40<fireball>my mistake
19:41<StefanoNoto>actually i have gnome desktop
19:41<abrotman>QQQ: please go away
19:41<babilen>StefanoNoto: Well, select an XFCE session in your login manager and use it. I am sure that you find documentation on XFCE on if you have further questions.
19:41<StefanoNoto>how to cange to xfce
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19:41<fireball>one the data is still here
19:41<themill>QQQ: please go to either #ubuntu or #backtrack-linux on
19:41<fireball>false alarm
19:41<babilen>StefanoNoto: Are you using Squeeze?
19:42<StefanoNoto>isnt on cd?
19:42<mc68040>fireball: i assume you upgraded and kept ur old my.cnf instead of usimg the maintainer one?
19:42<thirtytwobitrig>strewth, AAA, alias QQQ... :( just read what you posted.
19:43<fireball>mc68040, yes, that is correct
19:43<mc68040>fireball: i ask because i have to upgrade some machines soon too :)
19:43<babilen>StefanoNoto: Ok, log out of GNOME, type in your username and in the dialogue that comes up that asks you about your password you can select different sessions (at the bottom if i remember correctly) -- Just select XFCE, type in your password and it should start
19:43<fireball>the one change i had to make to my.cnf was to comment out skip-bdb
19:43<babilen>fireball: yes, that is a common change
19:43<mc68040>fireball: so better use maintainer my.cnf and add local modifications afterwards
19:43<StefanoNoto>ok i will try
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19:44<babilen>StefanoNoto: Good luck!
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19:44<thirtytwobitrig>Mike632T, do you have a similar set up? Could you please take a look at my xorg.conf and offer a comment?
19:44<fireball>the my.cnf i am using has a lot of customization in it. i posted it earlier if you're interested.
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19:45<mc68040>fireball: ill have a look
19:45-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@] by ChanServ
19:45<fireball>i'm signing off; thank you again everyone!
19:45<QQQ>please answer
19:45<mc68040>fireball: i think i move local mods to conf.d before upgrading
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19:46<fireball>i'm not familiar with conf.d
19:46<StefanoNoto>i m back
19:46<fireball>whatever you do, back up everything before you upgrade
19:46<StefanoNoto>at the login session it dont ask me
19:47<Mike632T>thirtytwobitrig: I'm not sure I'm that good - it took me ages just to work out how to set the screen resolutions... I also missed your earlier posts.
19:47<thirtytwobitrig>here it is..
19:47<babilen>StefanoNoto: It should. I don't know how to explain it better. There is definitely a dialogue that lets you select the session that will be started.
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19:48<StefanoNoto>ok dont worry
19:48<babilen>StefanoNoto: It does not actively ask you. But there are controls that let you select the language, keyboard things and the session.
19:48<thirtytwobitrig>in a nutshell, xorg won't recognize the native 1440x900 Acer x193w monitor resolution. says "unkown" monitor
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19:48<thirtytwobitrig>that xorg.conf is what Xorg -configure generated
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19:51<thirtytwobitrig>what I notice, there's a Screen and a Monitor section in that xorg.conf file, but no Display. Should I add one?
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19:52<Mike632T>thirtytwobitrig: If you compare your xorg.conf to mine you should be able to work out how I set the available resolutions for my display
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19:54<Mike632T>thirtytwobitrig: dont copy my monitor section verbatim - you modern hardware might not like it :-)
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19:55<mc68040>thirtytwobitrig: try to add a "Modes" line in the subsection "Display" parts
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19:56<thirtytwobitrig>Mike632T and mc68040, hey it is a start. What I need to see is the structure of how to organize the file. Many thanks.
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19:57<babilen>thirtytwobitrig: I will not walk you through this, but nowadays xorg typically autoconfigures itself (/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf) and if configuration is needed, you should perform them per device (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) -- The output of "xrandr -q" would be quite interesting.
19:58<babilen>thirtytwobitrig: Furthermore your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for debugging purposes
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20:02<thirtytwobitrig>babilen, aye, it was specifically the log that informed me that the gpu is okay, which leads me to believe that the problem is the monitor "auto" detection. xrandr -q also does not include the resolution I am after.
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20:04<babilen>thirtytwobitrig: You might want to look into tools such as "read-edid" and "videogen" .... Good luck, /me is off-duty now :)
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20:08<abrotman>offduty ? :)
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20:21<thirtytwobitrig>Mike632T, you are my hero!
20:21<thirtytwobitrig>Thank you so much
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20:56<jcress>howto set DISPLAY= to control totem via ssh? I've tried totem --display=:0.0 /path/to/file.avi and DISPLAY=:0.0 totem /path/to/file.avi
20:56<jcress>always get 'cannot open display'
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21:30<PadawanLearner>anyone alive?
21:30<PadawanLearner>i have an issue here
21:31<PadawanLearner>mirror/protocol=http mirror/suite=squeeze mirror/http/hostname= mirror/directory=/debian priority=low vga=normal video=lxfb:800x600-32@60 initrd=debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz -- BOOT_IMAGE=debian-installer/i386/linux
21:31<PadawanLearner>shouldn't this be passing the mirror options?
21:31<PadawanLearner>to d-i?
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21:32<sney>PadawanLearner: looks ok to me but maybe #debian-boot can help with the specifics
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21:33<PadawanLearner>sney: it's dead...
21:33<PadawanLearner>no one aline there
21:33<PadawanLearner>i have been debating thin for some time now
21:33<PadawanLearner>since yesterday
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21:34<sney>the debian channels in general are most active during work hours in north america and western europe
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21:41<PadawanLearner>hey sney i think i'll go all the way down the preseeding path
21:41<PadawanLearner>i was trying to avoid it
21:41<PadawanLearner>but now that's for sure
21:41<PadawanLearner>thanks anyway :)
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22:31<Tiff>PadawanLearner: try specifying d-i mirror/country also.
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22:34<PadawanLearner>pastubbs: thanks for the tip, let me see
22:35<PadawanLearner>Tiff: ^^^
22:36<PadawanLearner>hi exos
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22:40<exos>hi PadawanLearner
22:41<exos>I've error try install Debian in a old-pc, the installation finish whit out errors
22:41<exos>but, when grub load kernel image, die with message "unknow-block(0,0)"
22:41<exos>no more
22:42<phillipsjk>how much ram?
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22:53<phillipsjk>exos do you get a boot menu at all?
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22:57<PadawanLearner>exos: try booting rescue and reinstall boot loader
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23:00<exos>phillipsjk, the grub menu loads, the kernel image no
23:01<phillipsjk>what PadawanLearner said then.
23:01<exos>don't work
23:02<exos>don't find the grub config file
23:02<exos>mount the target partition and find a menu.lst in /boot/grub
23:03<exos>phillipsjk, sorry my english :P
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23:04<exos>phillipsjk, the error realy say "wn-block(0,0)"
23:05*phillipsjk is trying to find cannonical documentation
23:05<witte>exos: not hda(0,0)
23:07<exos>witte, the hd is IDE, but in the instalation say "sda" not, hda
23:07<sney>everything is sda now
23:07<sney>even if it's an ide drive, the kernel sees it as scsi
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23:08<exos>may cause a problem
23:08<exos>if i try load a kernel manualy?
23:08<exos>from the grub CLI ?
23:09<exos>how i do?
23:09<witte>exos: it will not cause a problem (normally)
23:10<phillipsjk>scsi 3 is device independent.
23:10<exos>in recovery mode say: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount tooy fs on unknow-block(0,0)
23:10<witte>exos: you can just edit the command to your preference (sometimes the disk numbers get mixed up (sda2 becomes sda3 or sda2 becomes sdb2)
23:11<exos>ok, in the last instalation
23:11*phillipsjk just ran "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" because lilo resurrected itself on update (removed lilo first)
23:11<exos>i install on a unique partition
23:12<exos>sda1 for all, and sda2 is the swap
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23:13<exos>where is the grub menu file in debian 6?
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23:14<sney>debian 6 uses grub2, all configs are in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
23:14<sney>if you *need* grub1 it is still available in apt as grub-legacy
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23:15<witte>!grub2 config
23:15<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and (GRUB wiki).
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23:15<exos>ok, i try edition this files
23:15<sney>also, look at /boot/grub/ and make sure everything is kosher
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23:20<exos>sney, i've in the file: "(hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-HD....."
23:21<exos>i replace it by (hd0) /dev/sda1 ?
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23:23<sney>exos: no, by-id is better because then it can't change
23:23<sney>just make sure the id looks like it matches your hard drive.
23:24<exos>for trying, dont work to
23:25<exos>how do load kernel from the grub command line?
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23:29<exos>in the grub emacs-like screen (press "e" on menu), say "root='(hd0,msdos1)'" ... wtf?
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23:44<phillipsjk>According to
23:45<phillipsjk>the os load line should look something like: linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1
23:46<phillipsjk>vmlinuz would be the kernel image, root would be a the linux root device (passed to kernel)
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23:48<phillipsjk>The page introducing that documentations says grub is in a state of flux and the documentation is not completely up-to-date yet.
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23:55<phillipsjk>exos msdos1 could be a reference to the DOS partition table. In a few years with very large disks, it will be obsolete.
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23:56<exos>phillipsjk, i read this link
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23:56<exos>and in the condig load the ext2 drive
23:56<exos>but not ext3
23:57<exos>maybe this is the error
23:57<exos>i'm reinstaling again
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