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---Logopened Mon Mar 21 00:00:43 2011
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00:05<phillipsjk>Reinstalling again won't fix the problem, unless you do something different from last time.
00:08<prem>to recover my lost password i booted with "init=/bin/bash" option in grub...and got it successfully too
00:08<prem>but i want to know in which runlevel it is booting..
00:09<prem>is it runlevel 1 or s ..?
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00:12<phillipsjk>I don't think it actually uses run-levels. Runlevels are product of the sysV init daemon.
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00:12<phillipsjk>You bypassed that by invoking a shell directly.
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01:44<Lantizia>Hey is there an easy way of apt-getting all the build dependancies mentioned in a control file without manually copying/pasting and removing line-endings/comma's etc?
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01:46<adam_>maybe awk or a perl regular expression solution?
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02:12<mehdi_>hey guys is the cd1 only thing i need for installation among other 52 cds?
02:13<cahoot>yes (or the netinst)
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02:14<mehdi_>well dude to my internet speed i think it takes a lifetime to install it by netinst
02:14<cahoot>well dude
02:16<jm_>following that logic it will also take a lifetime to download a CD
02:16<NontonJe>what are the contain of the rest 51 other CD?
02:16<jm_>!tell NontonJe -about cd contents
02:18<NontonJe>better buy DVD package?
02:19<mehdi_>well i already have one of my friend downloaded the cd one
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02:20<NontonJe>is still up to dated for a newbie ?
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02:28<Lantizia>Is there any way to have MySQL authenticate passwords against unix passwd (maybe via PAM) rather than it storing it's own passwords?
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02:29<Lantizia>PadawanL1arner, all I can find are results of people wanting to store the contents of passwd IN MySQL lol
02:30<PadawanL1arner>there is some info on that on the config file itself if i recall correctly
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02:30<Lantizia>cool will take a gander
02:31<Lantizia>have you done it before?
02:31<PadawanL1arner>yes, loooong time ago
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02:33<PadawanL1arner>Lantizia: actually, i might be confusing with samba
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02:34<PadawanL1arner>the part about the password sync
02:34<Lantizia>nah I've done that before lol
02:34<PadawanL1arner>let me see
02:34<Lantizia>what I'm thinking is when someone authenticates user root on mysql, the mysql server should authenticate against the unix root's password
02:35<Lantizia>thus if you've changed roots password - you've at the same time changed the password as the mysql root user
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02:39<PadawanL1arner>Lantizia: here you go:
02:39<Lantizia>that's about usernames
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02:40<jm_>newer versions of mysql, supports pluggable authentication
02:41<Lantizia>jm_, newer as in?
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02:41<jm_>Lantizia: I have no idea about versions
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02:45<NontonJe>how to run a windows aplication through wine ?
02:45<th_>wine someprogram.exe
02:45<NontonJe>thx th_
02:46<th_>no problem
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02:46<NontonJe>is wine support autocad ?
02:48<th_>you can visit to check whether a windows program is supported by wine or not or partially
02:49<NontonJe>thx th_
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03:10<twb>If I just "apt-get install arpwatch", does it watch all interfaces by default?
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03:28<phillipsjk>twb: my reading of is that only the default interface is used by default (-i option). Not sure if the Debian packagers would change that.
03:28<twb>phillipsjk: how does it know which interface is the "default"?
03:29<twb>I mean, I don't have an eth0
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03:30<jm_>if it's like tcpdump (pcap), it's lowest numbered one or somesuch
03:30<twb>OK, thanks. I kinda suspected that, but I didn't want to "lead the witness", as it were.
03:32*phillipsjk was assuming the order ifconfig gives, but the interface he is using is listed last.
03:32<phillipsjk>maybe I am confusing things with MS's ipconfig
03:35<twb> <-- it's reporting ARPs on unmanaged, at least
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03:37*phillipsjk just learned about the route command
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03:38<twb>route's for losers
03:38<twb>You should use ip(8)
03:38<phillipsjk>"default route" seems like a layer 3 thing.
03:39<twb>Yes, and in any case one need not have a default route.
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03:40<nevyn>twb: judgemental a bit?
03:40<twb>nevyn: sure
03:40<nevyn>route's for losers?
03:40<twb>nevyn: and POSIX refugees, I guess
03:41*nevyn prefers ip too these days.
03:41<nevyn>but it does catch me out when I jump on ancient posix dinosaurs.
03:41<twb>nevyn: eh, on sufficiently old Solaris you can't use route either
03:42<twb>You have to use netstat instead IIRC
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03:46<twb>Re arpwatch, it looks like you can't even "arpwatch -i foo -i bar", you have to run one per iface
03:46<twb>But putting foo and bar on separate lines in /etc/arpwatch.conf seems to DTRT.
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03:52<barney|bnc>hello i accidently delete a important .tar.gz file on debian lenny .. is it possible do recover it :/
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03:53<twb>barney|bnc: ext3?
03:53<barney|bnc>how i can check this ?
03:53<phillipsjk>first thing to do is stop using the partition.
03:54<barney|bnc>so how i can try to recover it
03:54<twb>Preferably mount -o remount,ro it and shut down the machine
03:54<twb>Then try to recover by plugging that disk into another box
03:54<twb>(or a live cd, I guess)
03:54<barney|bnc>is a root maschine ..
03:54<barney|bnc>is not here
03:54<barney|bnc>is there no such tool ?
03:56<jm_>!ext3 undelete
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04:02*phillipsjk hopes to have verified backups before needing that.
04:03<twb>btrfs ftw rsn?
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04:23<phillipsjk>twb: "verified" is the tricky part.
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04:24<phillipsjk>I actually did a dump/restore test on my fileserver that failed. (but is off-topic)
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04:34<Arm>i want make vpn conection
04:34<Arm>please help me
04:34<jmm>please Arm, give us more details.
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04:36<Arm>i want make a pptp conection
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04:36<dpkg>[pptp] Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, an insecure and unreliable way to create tunnels; consider <openvpn>, <ipsec> or <l2tp> instead. Some ISPs use PPTP to provide service on Ethernet connected broadband networks; this is not supported at Debian installation time. To connect to a PPTP server, use pptpsetup (pptp-linux package, on netinst and CD1), <vpnc> or network-manager-pptp. See also <why not pptp>, <vpn>, <poptop>, <mppe>.
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04:37<Arm>i use backtrack
04:38<Arm>where is that?
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04:39<Arm>some body help me please
04:39<jmm>#backtrack maybe ?
04:39<Arm>maybe what?
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04:40<@Ganneff>try it with a / in front
04:40<jmm>I suggest asking help in a backtrack irc channel, instead of debian irc channel.
04:40<Arm>join ##backtrack/
04:41<Arm>how can right that??
04:41<chrisb>you mean write?
04:41<jmm>like you did for coming here.
04:41<Arm>join /##backtrack
04:41<Arm>thank you
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04:43<phillipsjk>the bot says you may find help on #backtrack-linux on as well.
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05:50<sznitzeln>hi! has anyone here got experience with radeon HD6850 on squeeze?
05:51<sznitzeln>there is a guide how to install drivers here:
05:52<sznitzeln>but 1) i dont understand it and 2) im afraid i will get a blackscreen if i try it :)
05:52<sznitzeln>if i do get a blackscreen, is there an easy way to remove the new drivers?
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06:15<maxb>What is the difference between 6.0.1 and 6.0.1a iso images?
06:16<gsimmons>dpkg: 6.0.1a
06:16<dpkg>6.0.1a is the version number of a bugfix rebuild of small CD installation images for the <6.0.1> point release. These were produced to include the correct version of Debian Installer within; only the small CDs (<businesscard>, <netinst>) were affected and required to be rebuilt.
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06:17<maxb>ah. I tried searching debian-devel / debian-release MLs but didn't find the answer there. Should have gone straight to dpkg :-)
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06:17<themill>robin, sanderk: perhaps you wanted #moocows to play in
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06:19<sanderk>want dat is bullshjit
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06:36<robo>hi I've just done an aptituda update on my sid system and all packages now show as localy installed. what's going on?
06:37<SynrG>you've broken your sources.list somehow
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06:38<robo>"deb unstable main contrib non-free" and the same for deb-src... only these 2 lines.. i've had it like this since forever
06:38<robo>maybe the mirror is broken?
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06:44<robo>yep, when i switch to another mirror, it's ok
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07:10<evilmaniac>w/ wheezy; caps lock LED under a macbook air 3,1 will not work under console mode
07:10<evilmaniac>although caps lock functionality works; just not LED
07:10<evilmaniac>mouseemu is not installed; any comments ?
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07:34<evilmaniac>Anyone D: ?
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07:46<rk_Constantine_Straite>i need help for a script speech order
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07:51<rk_Constantine_Straite>is the oder ok: alias mp3 "*.flv" = ffmpeg -i "*.flv" -f mp3 -ab 160000 -acodec libmp3lame "*.mp3"
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08:26<johanhar>Someone got experience with installing debian on macbook?
08:26<johanhar>The tutorial does not work out
08:26<johanhar>I can install it, but cant boot it.
08:27<nutterpc>what error message is it coming up with
08:27<nutterpc>saying "it doesnt boot' tells us a great deal :)
08:27<johanhar>well I get to the part, where you need to go into the shell and install refit or gptsync
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08:28<johanhar>That doesnt go very well, cant be found on the dvd. Trying to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to look for it on the internet, does not work.
08:28<johanhar>The error I get on apt-get update is hard to get.
08:28<nutterpc>is it just with debian it does it?
08:28<johanhar>Well what do you mean? I can boot OSX, cant boot debian, even tho I did finnish the installation.
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08:29<johanhar>I need some refit or gptsync program, that wont be installed.
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08:29<johanhar>Its not on the dvd, and adding the internet repository does not work out.
08:29<johanhar>Even tho under the network part of the installation, it says succes
08:30<nutterpc>sounds like a non free thing
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08:30<nutterpc>non free based program
08:30<johanhar>It is free
08:30<nutterpc>hmm ok
08:31<johanhar>Why would that matter, the problem is that the tutorial tells me to go to a console and install something that is no on the dvd. And adding repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list does not work even tho the installation part on network was success
08:31<johanhar>not on*
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08:33<johanhar>Strange how ubuntu was such a clean installation...
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08:34<nutterpc>havent used macs enuff to be able to know more
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08:34*nutterpc is getting a mac in a few weeks to mess about with tho
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08:35<johanhar>Too bad I'm stuck with this macbook and no other OS than OS X and windows is working properly. Worst deal I've ever made.
08:36<nutterpc>im sure if u were local
08:36<nutterpc>and a 6 pack of beer was offered, it could be made to work
08:37<nutterpc>but im in south australia
08:37<nutterpc>ur in norway
08:37<nutterpc>nuff said
08:37<johanhar>I can send you one
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08:37<nutterpc>nah if i have ppl local with linux issues
08:38<nutterpc>6pack and i'll do what i can to fix it
08:38<johanhar>Linux is free, if time is worth nothing.
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08:38<nutterpc>thats for laptops, if its a desktop
08:39<nutterpc>6pack and pizza
08:39<roger_>johanhar, Do you have AMD64 version?
08:39*nutterpc shakes fist at kernel compile
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08:39<nutterpc>HURRY UP
08:39<johanhar>I think I got the 32bit
08:40<roger_>Hmm well the docs say refit isn't available on that and refer you to the top
08:40<nutterpc>also depends what processor he has in it roger_
08:40<johanhar>Maybe I should go for the amd64?
08:40<johanhar>Nooo I missed that part
08:40<johanhar>Oh well thanks man
08:40<roger_>You need to install refit in OS X
08:40<johanhar>THat I have
08:40<roger_>and do it from there
08:41<johanhar>Yes but then there is some fuzz about aptitude install refit, from the console under the installation
08:41<johanhar>Some scary stuff :P
08:41<roger_>See just below: TROUBLESHOOTING (no refit available)
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08:42<roger_>.... "see comment above at Get an installation CD"
08:42<babilen>johanhar: I glimpse at that page seems to suggest that rEFIt is a program for OSX, not Debian. It is therefore no wonder that you can't find it on the Debian DVD. You are probably also interested in grub-efi-amd64
08:43<johanhar>It might be that you have used the amd64, which does not have refit. Well I did not, I have the 32bit. Might be I have got a wrong architecture. I think I went for the i386 or something :D
08:43<roger_>what babilen said.
08:43<roger_>Well if your problem is no refit on your disk or in the online packages, I suggest this solution is probably what you need.
08:44<johanhar>babilen: Ehm I have refit on my os x. But the instructions says to do a aptitude install refit.
08:44<babilen>johanhar: ah, ok. Well, I am not well versed in installing Debian on Apple hardware. Last time I did that they were still PPC machines :)
08:44<babilen>johanhar: Do you have a working internet connection on that machine?
08:45<johanhar>Or well normally
08:45<johanhar>Not in the debian installation, tho it said to be success on the network part
08:45<johanhar>But adding the repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list didnt help
08:45<babilen>johanhar: So, can you install packages from the internet? (i.e. have you configured suitable mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list)
08:45<johanhar>apt-get update gave many errors
08:45<babilen>such as?
08:46<johanhar>Dont remember, I uncommented those that were there, looked them up on google from another machine, and came to some debian site, thought they were the ones
08:46<babilen>!squeeze sources.list
08:46<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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08:47<johanhar>Yes the security one, at least
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08:47<johanhar>and a ftp one
08:47<babilen>johanhar: Or use some country specific, non-geodns mirror like "deb squeeze main"
08:47<babilen>johanhar: You can replace "uk" with something suitable
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08:47<johanhar>Ok hmm
08:47<babilen>,versions refit
08:47<judd>Package refit on i386 -- lenny: 0.12-2; sid: 0.14-2; squeeze: 0.14-2; wheezy: 0.14-2
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08:48<johanhar>Thats dvd1?
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08:48<johanhar>I didnt get more than the first dvd
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08:48<babilen>This has nothing to do with DVD1, these are online repositories.
08:49<johanhar>I see
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08:49<johanhar>Ill try again with the one you gave
08:49<johanhar>Lets hope that works....
08:49<johanhar>If not its back to ubuntu
08:49<johanhar>Thank :)
08:49<roger_>Seems strange they should leave such a file off the install media?
08:50<babilen>You probably want to comment/remove the entry for the DVD(s) if you have a working internet connection.
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08:51<babilen>roger_: I think that johanhar used the DVD for installation and did not configure any additional (online) repositories. refit is probably not on DVD1 so it is not available.
08:51<wissem>I'm going to switch to wheezy
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08:51<wissem>I wanted to know how to really help and finds bug
08:51<roger_>babilen, I agree. I was just wondering aloud why they would make that decision? Dual boot on mac seems a likely choice for installation
08:51<wissem>any howto ?
08:51<babilen>johanhar: I'm off to have lunch. Good luck!
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08:52<babilen>roger_: There are no specific macbook-install images, and it is likely that refit is not popular enough to make it to DVD1
08:53<roger_>I suppose so.
08:54<roger_>Also no real reason why macbook owners shouldn't do this from OS X I suppose
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09:25<ml|>wissem: usually if you have to ask, then don't run testing
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09:25<wissem>ml|: i was using squeeze when it was on testing
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09:26<ml|>then you should know what to do then
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09:39<\3TATUK>Link to new debian package inclusion suggestion page, please?
09:39<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
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09:42<Aleric>I am getting a weird error when I try to start the dcopserver, even after reinstallation:
09:42<Aleric>Only one line in dcopserver file !:
09:42<Aleric>DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed networkIdsList argument is NULL
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09:52<Aleric>Interesting... I found no answer anywhere with Google - but the solution was rather simple. I guess I should add it somewhere in a forum :/
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10:33<johanhar>I am new to debian, and want to install a package from the testing version, but I run stable.
10:33<johanhar>I read up about backport, and thought Id come here and ask before doing any more in case I got it wrong
10:33<babilen>!tell johanhar -about ssb
10:33<babilen>johanhar: So, the installation worked out?
10:34<babilen>!tell johanhar -about bdo
10:34<johanhar>Yes it did
10:34<babilen>wonderful :)
10:34<johanhar>I got help from my roomie
10:34<babilen>what was the problem/fix ?
10:34<johanhar>He was pretty much pulling his hair out, but then it worked
10:34<babilen>hmm, should have considered pulling hairs
10:34<johanhar>Dunno, he was in grub doing some stuff
10:36<johanhar>I think it was something about grub not working with OS X, but he managed to make it work, but he didnt look at the tutorial, so I guess installing debian with OS X is not meant for scrubs like me :) But with some help I finaly have it up ;)
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10:37<babilen>Hmm, would be interesting to know what it was. AFAIK you need an EFI based grub, such as the one I suggested earlier.
10:37<babilen>Be that as it may, the factoids dpkg send you contain information about and the way to create them yourself.
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10:38<johanhar>Thanks I'll look into that
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10:39<babilen>johanhar: Which package are you after?
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10:42<grummund>Hi, is there a prefered syslog daemon for low-memory usage?
10:43<grummund>or even just a prefered syslog daemon?
10:43<babilen>grummund: You might want to find out what the default one is in emdebian (#amdebian) -- I happily use rsyslog, but that is not optimised for low-memory systems AFAIK
10:45<grummund>ok, i have rsyslog running on another box, is that the default daemon installed for debian minimal?
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10:49<luis>hello good morning everyone can somebody help me please? i am getting this, just this morning, i don't know what to do to fix it help please!!
10:50<Black_Prince>it seems that is unavailable
10:50<Black_Prince>Try using some other mirror
10:50<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at and ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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10:56<luis>if i ping i get this: PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
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11:00<babilen>luis: Seems to be down. Try a different mirror :) (
11:00<roger_>If I try one of the http addresses in your pastebin, my connection times out.
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11:00<roger_>Ping only tells you there is something there, not what services are running etc.. Try another mirror.
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11:02<luis>now in one of the sites you gave me i read this: "THE PROGRAM "NETSELECT" CAN BE USE TO DETERMINE THE SITE WITH THE LEAST LATENCY". is that like some kind of software to be install so it can pick up the best mirror?
11:02<eponymous>any good php/mysqli channels?
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11:03<Myon>luis: netselect - speed tester for choosing a fast network server
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11:03<luis>or is there like a proper way to change mirror? 'cause last time i did that i had to resintall the whole system
11:04<luis>i see and how does that work? like just typing netselect?
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11:04<ottoshmidt>eponymous, of course
11:05<ottoshmidt>#mysql on freenode and ##pho
11:05<ottoshmidt>sorry php
11:05<babilen>luis: Just replace "mx" by, say, "us" run "aptitude update" and you should be fine so far.
11:05<babilen>ottoshmidt: ##pho discusses yummy vietnamese soups
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11:05<eponymous>ottoshmidt, thanks for that
11:05<ottoshmidt>babilen, :D :D
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11:07<roger_>luis: it's not a "proper" way to change mirror, but netselect-apt ought to fond you a "nearby" mirror (in internet terms) for you.
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11:08<luis>i just find out that i need to install that
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11:09<luis>lol and i am having internet connectio because of all this hehehehehe
11:09<gartral>where's the arm-specific channel?
11:09<luis>so let me try changing mirror
11:09<luis>nano will do?
11:09<babilen>luis: Switch from "" to "" -- That mirror works AFAICT
11:09<luis>ok great nano will do the job right?
11:09<babilen>!tell gartral -about arm
11:09<luis>or synaptic?
11:09<SynrG>bleah, netselect
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11:10<babilen>gartral: Note that arm has been deprecated
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11:10<SynrG>low latency != high bandwidth
11:10<gartral>babilen: I have PMs turned off.. i assume the bot tries too use them?
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11:10<babilen>gartral: yes, it does.
11:10<dpkg>Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on
11:10<luis>is bleah another mirror?
11:10<roger_>luis: not a nano user but it looks appropriate.
11:10<gartral>babilen: what do you mean "depreciated"?
11:11<babilen>luis: no, what's wrong with "" ?
11:11<roger_>babilen, I think he means the editor nano.
11:11<babilen>gartral: No longer supported, that architecture was dropped ...
11:11<luis>nothing i haven't thcnage the mirror juts want to make sure how to do it properly cause i don't want to mistake anything in here :P
11:12<gartral>babilen: then what? I have an arm netbook that i have a build of debian running on. what am i supposed too do?
11:12<roger_>luis: make a copy call it sources.list.good_20110321 or something
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11:12<luis>worst thing can happen is to reinstall everything lol
11:13<babilen>luis: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list (with an editor of you choice (nano is fine) as root) and replace "" with "", run "aptitude update" and it should be fine. You are looking for lines like: deb squeeze ....
11:13<roger_>if you take a copy of what you have now, worst thing is you need to copy it back and wait for that mirror to come back up.
11:13<luis>excellent my friend thats great let me do that :)
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11:14<gartral>babilen: so what are people who are buying these new arm-based netbooks supposed to do?
11:15<babilen>gartral: Are you perhaps thinking about armel?
11:15<dpkg>armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port, first released with <lenny>. #debian-arm on
11:15<gartral>babilen: there's a difference?
11:15<jmm>arm based netbook ? gimme !
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11:15<babilen>gartral: endianess
11:16<gartral>jmm: walk into a CVS or another drug store, they're selling them or about $100 us
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11:16<jmm>gartral: I'll google for it, thanks.
11:16<gartral>babilen: i run lscpu and i get Architecture armv5tejl
11:17<babilen>gartral: #debian-arm is the place to go. :)
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11:19<luis>it did work with what you told me guys thank you very much my friends so nice from you :-)
11:19<gartral>babilen: well does the arch type tell you if i meant what i said? now you have me confused
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11:20<luis>the only thins is that is kinda slow
11:20<roger_>Youre welcome luis
11:20<roger_>luis: you mean the download speed?
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11:21<gartral>babilen: ?
11:21<luis>like not as fast as it use to be
11:21<broucaries1>does raising sigbus an umapping a mem range is a normal behavoir when file raise EIO ?M
11:21<roger_>well it depends how "close" you are on the internet to the server you pick.
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11:22<roger_>you could install netselect-apt and let it look for a faster one for you.
11:22<luis>mmm don't know i type us and i am in Puerto Vallarta Mexico
11:22<babilen>gartral: Unfortunately not. Hence my suggestion to try in #debian-arm (I guess you want armel)
11:22<luis>so i think is far away :)
11:23<luis>is fine now
11:23<roger_>luis: it's not so simple. You can be routed around the world through slow connections to next door, or hugely quickly to the other side of the world.
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11:24<luis>i see well i did several apt-get updates and is fine now :D
11:24<babilen>luis: You could also try the other mexican mirror ( -- See
11:24<luis>lol that's the one i just changed from hehehehe
11:24<jhutchins_lt>Speed also depends on server load, and most of the servers are not dedicated to debian.
11:25<babilen>luis: I haven't checked it status and thought the one will do until comes back up again.
11:25<gartral>babilen: that chanel appears dead, maybe you can help me anyway, as i belive the problem is configuration, i tried too install gnome, but i think i f-ed that up pretty good, as i have gdm, but when i login, it gives me gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256.. this appears too be a long-time failure in gconf
11:25<luis>but after severarl "apt-get updates" is working now even better :)
11:25<babilen>luis: Wasn't that ?
11:26<luis>so right babilen
11:26*roger_ has a feeling of deja-vue
11:26<babilen>roger_: hehe
11:26<luis>i love thos
11:26<luis>those i have that very often
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11:27<roger_>gartral: did you try reinstalling gconf2?
11:27<babilen>gartral: You know what? I'm not opening that pandoras box now. I had enough gconf-* fuckup the other day. Come back over the weekend, find another helper (try #d on freenode, #debian-gnome here) ...
11:28<babilen>gartral: sorry
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11:28<roger_>gartral: that was me. Sorry too.
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11:28<gartral>roger_: no, but the arm-based debian im using didn't come with gconf, so i installed it "first time" myself
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11:29<gartral>babilen: so it isn't just me, that's comforting! and it's ok, i know how frustration makes it hard too help others, thank you for the pointer
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11:30<gartral>babilen: also, the people in #debian on freenode *laaughed* at me when i posted my problem.. that wasn't particularly nice >.>
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11:31<gartral>i might just nuke the install and start from scratch.
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11:32<luis>another question guys: i have not experience at all on hackers, however i know for a fact that there's someone that always know what do i do in my pc i did install this software: "firewall configuration" and set it up in high, but it seems like it didn't stops this one from getting into my system is thera a way to stop unwanted peopple sneaking into my computer?
11:32<SynrG>gartral: so what's the summary? arm + gnome on debian = fubar for you? (from a default install of it?) or you did something else to mess it up?
11:33<roger_>luis: are you sure he's looking on your computer? If you're browsing the web or other online stuff, people can tell a lot about what you're doing looking at network traffic.
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11:34<luis>yes i am sure this person always knows what do i do in my computer even my emails or my chats on msn
11:34<gartral>SynrG: you got it, but i'm not even sure i installed gnome correctly, as the install im using starts off with only terminal. and i don't know the name of the gnome metapackage in debian.
11:34<SynrG>um, "gnome"?
11:34<Black_Prince>It's gnome ...
11:34<roger_>luis: email and chat must go over the web. He could be listening when your PC talks to another.
11:35<luis>yes he does
11:35<luis>all the times and is annoing
11:35<SynrG>luis: someone who is known to you?
11:35<luis>is like sometimes i want to kick his ass
11:35<gartral>SynrG roger_ ssb is the debian build i'm using
11:35<luis>my bf
11:35<luis>and i do not kno how to stop him from doing that
11:35<SynrG>then we have a social problem here with social answers, not a technological one
11:36<luis>hacking my pc all the time
11:36<SynrG>if he's untrustworthy, he doesn't sound like good relationship material. dump him.
11:36<luis>i think ur right
11:36<roger_>I agree with SynrG
11:36<gartral>SynrG: then the mirror for the repo is retarded, cause when i typed apt-get install gnome it returned no such package (mirror is
11:37<luis>any way what would be the right way to set up this FIREWALL COONFIRGURATION software thet i downloaded?
11:37<SynrG>gartral: um. we support debian here, not derivatives ...
11:37<roger_>luis: a firewall won't stop your bf looking at what you do on the internet.
11:37<mercutio22>I am trying to ssh into a server. I genererated the ssh key pair at the server and appended the public key to the local ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. I am getting permission denied(pubkey) when trying to login!
11:38<SynrG>gartral: mixing distros will kill your system, 9 times out of 10
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11:38<SynrG>"debian-based" does not mean you can use debian repos with it
11:38<gartral>SynrG: i'm NOT mixing distros! i'm running debian lenny with a bento kernel.
11:38<gartral>SynrG: look at the link
11:39<luis>any other option?
11:39<roger_>luis: what you need to do is encrypt your communication with other computers, for example using https protocol rather than http to connect (a secure connection like when you shop)
11:39<SynrG>sorry. it was not clear to me that this was only a kernel ...
11:39<SynrG>gartral: it talks about "bento linux". they are branding themselves as a separate entity.
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11:39<SynrG>so i don't know *what* they've done to it
11:39<gartral>SynrG: not really, look at the downloads page
11:39<luis>sound excellent ehere do i look at it so i can do that?
11:40<roger_>things like msn chat are probably impossible to do securely. Don't talk about secret stuff there is my advice.
11:40<gartral>SynrG: what could i run to verify that the distro is debian with a "dirty" kernel?
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11:40<luis>thanks a lot guys i do appreciaTE THIS
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11:40<babilen>gartral: NO, don't install the "gnome" metapackage. I would start with the smallest one (gnome-session) and build it from there. The gnome package pulls in all kinds of (probably) unwanted packages.
11:41<gartral>SynrG: even when i got gdm up, i was presented with a "Welcome to Debian" logon page.
11:41<SynrG>gartral: like i said, because they say "debian" doesn't necessarily make it pure debian
11:41<SynrG>gartral: i don't know *what* is inside that installer in the tarball
11:41<roger_>luis: what sort of mail do you use? Is it webmail or?
11:41<gartral>SynrG: there is no installer
11:41<SynrG>just a tarball of the system
11:41<SynrG>what did they do to it? how does it diverge from debian?
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11:42<gartral>SynrG: the extpart.tgz is just a compressed / image that is browsable
11:42<SynrG>i'm highly suspicious of any "distro" that says "here's a filesystem preinstalled, just unpack it onto your device"
11:42<SynrG>wtf? they could have it backdoored up to the eyeballs and you wouldn't be any the wiser.
11:43<gartral>SynrG: ask abrasive in #easypc on freenode. it's his project
11:43<SynrG>honestly? i don't have the time
11:43<luis>i do use hotmail and yahoo
11:43<SynrG>this is a debian support channel. if you like someone's derivative and have problems with it, ask them for support.
11:43<luis>sorry i was looking for some info about encrypting
11:43<gartral>SynrG: ok, then give me a link too debian that i can use on this device
11:44<luis>so i do use hotmail and yahoo
11:44<gartral>that you will support
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11:44<fabiosilva>preciso de ajuda...
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11:44<fabiosilva>como entro no debian-pt
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11:45<luis>hey fabio this an english support channel
11:45<gartral>SynrG: the problem is that the device doesn't handel any installer, it boots from a script that chainloads the kernel. the only way too boot the netbook is with a pre-built image
11:45<luis>you won't be able to communicate in here
11:45<SynrG>gartral: um, no. either debian works on your device or it doesn't. if it doesn't, ask the people who are doing their derivative for support. if you don't like this arrangement, ask the people who did the derivative "why can't you just do this from within the debian project so i can get better support?"
11:45<gartral>SynrG: it's more like a cell phone than a computer
11:45<SynrG>hmm. that is a problem.
11:46<SynrG>then shouldn't they be working with debian-installer folks?
11:46<gartral>SynrG: abrasive told me too seek #debian for support, here i am.
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11:47<SynrG>gartral: the problem starts with his branding "bento linux". this gives the impression of a derivative with its own support channels.
11:47<gartral>SynrG: the ONLY part of this that i do not trust 100% is the kernel that has binary drivers too kickstart the system
11:47<SynrG>if what he actually wanted to do was develop a way to install *debian* on this device, he should work with debian more closely to get official support.
11:47<gartral>SynrG: please look on their download page at
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11:48<SynrG>i did. i see some tarballs (which i am not going to download)
11:48<SynrG>i see no manifest
11:48<SynrG>no gpg key
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11:48<SynrG>nothing that would indicate what this stuff actually is
11:49<roger_>luis: the problem is, email is inherently insecure anyway as copies of the email are passed openly between servers as the email is delivered (like a postcard). So email programs don't usually do security.
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11:49<roger_>luis: I think, dump the annoying bf is your best bet.
11:49<gartral>SynrG: i raised that issue with the creator, he's a collage student, so i give him bebifit of time restraint. but i've downloaded and used the image, it is indeed debian, connect automatically too debian repos, and boots with gdm too a debian opener
11:49<luis>i see so i guess i am going to have to deal with it thanks anyway ROGER :-)
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11:50<gartral>luis: if you're that worried about who can read your email, setup pgp
11:50<luis>what's that?
11:50<luis>let see on google
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11:51<gartral>(or is it gpg? >.> i always confuse the 2)
11:51<SynrG>gartral: there is a new group called "derivatives front desk" or so, in debian ... their job is to talk to derivatives makers
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11:51<the_hydra>SynrG: some kind of PR, huh? :)
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11:53<SynrG>the_hydra: well, there is a crying need for this. there is all sorts of confusion about making a derivative and supporting it ...
11:53<gartral>SynrG: i keep telling you this ISN'T a derivitive! it's just a prebuilt image for a very fucked up computer (which btw the name bento-linux came from the computer's Bento Mainboard)
11:53<luis>woooow awsome i found this step by step guide to do it guys :-D
11:53<SynrG>gartral: then he should stop branding it "bento linux"
11:53<SynrG>that name *screams* derivative
11:53<gartral>SynrG: IT'S NOT BRANDED
11:53*SynrG sighs
11:54<SynrG>why has he called it "bento linux" instead of "my workaround for getting Debian on this device"?
11:54<gartral>SynrG: the website offers a build of android for these devices too, as well as a build of debian for a slightly different serise of cpus.
11:55<gartral>SynrG: i don't know
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11:56<SynrG>this has strayed far, far outside of the realm of debian support, so i think we should just stop here. i think i've made it clear what mis-step the developer has made which will make it hard for his users to get support.
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11:56<SynrG>i can't really help this developer to "do the right thing" (sounds like you've tried already and failed) ...
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11:57<SynrG>the way his site is organized does *not* make it clear exactly what "bento linux" for debian actually contains, and no reassurance it comes from a "trusted" source.
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11:57<gartral>SynrG: no, before i say it close i want you too read the first few lines on part of which explicitly mentions WM8505 Debian
11:58<SynrG>i read that too. so? i still don't know from reading that what he did to Debian to make it work. he could have violated policy in dozens of places
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11:58<SynrG>causing all kinds of problems for support.
11:58<babilen>gartral: I would consider buying a different netbook. The via ARM-VT8500 (it's that isn't it) does not look to be well supported. Please also take a look at and and (the ML might be a good place to ask too)
11:59<gartral>SynrG: as far as i can tell the only thing he did was replace the kernel and get it too boot with thr arm chain-loader script
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11:59<babilen>gartral: I can't really tell you any more information about the idiosyncrasies of that device, but it does not look as if it was a good investment.
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12:00<gartral>babilen: ALL arm-netbooks have this cpu.. they're all $100 I don't have more too pour into it
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12:01<jhutchins_lt>gartral: Um, kinda obvious that arm devices have arm cpu's...
12:02<gartral>jhutchins_lt: you missed the point, all the netbooks that are arm based for $100 have the same freaking wm8505 cpu.
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12:03<jmm>still having a netbook for 100$ is noce.
12:03<jmm>nice even.
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12:05<babilen>gartral: Could you run "dpkg --print-architecture" and give me the output please?
12:05<gartral>babilen: the moment i get it back up, sure, i just pulled and wipped the boot-sd
12:06<SynrG>i don't doubt it would be very nice to get debian working on this netbook. this is something that should be done closely with debian, however. debian users expect their software to come from a trusted archive and have it adhere to clearly-defined standards
12:06<gartral>SynrG: the archive that abrasive is useing is a debian official
12:06<SynrG>it causes a *big* support headache when derivatives-makers decide to go off and do it on their own
12:07<SynrG>gartral: the tarballs he is shipping are not
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12:07<SynrG>even some *unofficial* material is tolerated so long as it is with the promise that it's moving towards the debian archives! it does not all have to be 100% pure debian from the start
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12:08<SynrG>abrasive's approach gives the appearance of being entirely unsupported.
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12:08<babilen>gartral: I would recommend a different approach, but that depends on the actual architecture. You might be able to debootstrap a Debian armel system (if the arch is indeed armel) on that SD card and take it from there.
12:08<SynrG>and then he punts his users' questions back here ...
12:08<SynrG>this is not friendly behaviour
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12:08<themill>quite abrasive, really.
12:08<gartral>babilen: ahh! it is armel
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12:09<jhutchins_lt>is there any advantage offered by this pseudo-distribution?
12:10<babilen>gartral: Ok, would it work to install a Debian system with debootstrap on the SD card, pop it into your netbook and use that? If not: why?
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12:10<gartral>abrasive just answered one of my questions: he's using an android kernel too get the laptop too boot
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12:10<babilen>Well, I guess that answers my question.
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12:11<gartral>babilen: well, part of it would be that i don't have another armel system too install from? (i assume by 'install to sd' you meant that i should install from one comp too the sd and boot from there)
12:12<babilen>gartral: please allow private messages
12:12<gartral>babilen: done
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12:15<jhutchins_lt>gartral: debbootstrap can install from the net, you don't have to have debian to run it. It's available in several other distributions.
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12:16<gartral>jhutchins_lt: ok, well my system that i'm ircing from is running Ubuntu.
12:17<gartral>babilen: i opened up my private messages again
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12:18<jhutchins_lt>gartral: I think Ubuntu has debbostrap in it's repos.
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12:21<Aleric>Does that mean they kill people who ask for a/s/l? :)
12:21<gartral>jhutchins_lt: what does it require too run? my current systems all run weird kernels that i don't have access too headers for. (currently I have the little armel-based one, and a Google CR-48 laptop running ubuntu with the ChromeOS kernel.)
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12:23<jhutchins_lt>gartral: Basically just linux-compatible file I/O and network access. All it does is run a dpkg/apt compatible installer.
12:23<gartral>SynrG: please excuse my earlier behavior, i'm just very frustrated with this gconf-issue
12:23<babilen>jhutchins_lt, gartral: The problem with debootstrapping is that you can't chroot into the target system from a non-arm host.
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12:24<gartral>jhutchins_lt: i sense there are going too be some real problems with this
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12:24<gartral>jhutchins_lt: well. babilen just proved me right.
12:25<jhutchins_lt>What's the normal install method for arm?
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12:26<gartral>jhutchins_lt: as far as i can tell, making a pre-built image and loading it with from the arm chainloader
12:26<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Apparently the machine will not boot with any other kernel than a (signed?) android kernel, which more or less means that this whole endeavour is doomed anyway.
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12:27<gartral>babilen: not so, it comes installed with win CE (which doesn't have a working wifi or ethernet driver)
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12:27<gartral>er, with win ce installed *
12:27<gartral>stupid touchpad
12:27<babilen>gartral: didn't you mentioned an android kernel earlier which was necessary to get the device to boot?
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12:28<gartral>babilen: yes, it boots with an android kernel, but i don't know if it's signed or not
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12:29<gartral>abrasive indicated that with armel source it should be possible too make a normal kernel (and that source is less than 2 months old)
12:29<babilen>gartral: Why don't you jsut try debian-armel? Boot from PXE, USB or CD and try to install it.
12:29<gartral>babilen: the microsoft-style .com loader
12:29<babilen>gartral: what source is that?
12:30<SynrG>gartral: i'm not entirely unfamiliar with (nor unsympathetic towards) the problems of getting debian working on new hardware. in 2007 we had no way to install Debian on a Debian Eee PC model 4G because of lack of network drivers. we used a xandros kernel to bootstrap debian onto it ... but we set up a project to work within debian to support it, and moved very rapidly towards a properly-supported solution using debian-installer.
12:30<babilen>gartral: fuck this netbook and everyhting about it
12:30<SynrG>gartral: the important bit was that if it wasn't done as a debian project, it never would've amounted to anything
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12:31<SynrG>and people who tried abrasive's approach certainly didn't get support from us (wearing my debian-eeepc hat now :)
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12:31<gartral> <-- i read the date wrong too, its actually quite alot older
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12:31<SynrG>they ended up dying after a number of months
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12:33<gartral>SynrG: babilen there's absolutly no reason too start swearing about it. i'm going too talk with abrasive, and maybe even start helping him set this up as a proper debian project. I really want something other than WINCE on this device
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12:34<SynrG>hey, babilen swore, not me (though i don't blame him :)
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12:35<SynrG>sounds like a very frustrating job. unless android source is released, it may be well nigh impossible to officially support in debian (though maybe debian + "some non-free bits" may eventually be possible)
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12:35<SynrG>that would take some careful separation of those bits so you don't need a whole non-standard kernel, and that may be technically impossible :(
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12:36<gartral>SynrG: again, i posted the source for the android kernel. with that it should be possible too build an "official" kernel eventually, right?
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12:36<SynrG>possibly, yes ... assuming merging of the bits upstream
12:36<SynrG>(but if they don't have GPL-compat licenses, well ...)
12:36<SynrG>that would make such a merge an impossibility
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12:38<gartral>SynrG: android is opensource.
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12:38<gartral>SynrG: that's the kernel source straight from gpl-devices
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12:39<SynrG>i'm sorry, again .. i'm not downloading that :)
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12:39<SynrG>i see "gpl" in the path, but this doesn't tell me definitively anything about the contents
12:40<SynrG>a proper review of the sources to ensure it's all GPL-compat would need to be done to verify compatibility with upstream kernel source, and then you have to convince upstream that your code is good to be merged.
12:40<SynrG>and they'll have their own technical set of criteria for that.
12:40<gartral>SynrG: i'm dling the smaller package tooo search for a gpl
12:41<SynrG>good luck. gpl compliance on a non-trivial codebase is a *big* job. (would be easier working with a small set of patches that apply to upstream kernel)
12:41<SynrG>it's not just "oh hey, the string GPL appears here, good!"
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12:43<gartral>SynrG: i know. but the problem it looks like is that the android kernel does alot very diferently than a normal linux kernel.. (storage is under /dev/blck0p0 not /dev/sda1 as one example)
12:44<gartral>SynrG: another example is that the android kernel will absolutly refuse user root login to a gui. period.
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12:46<gartral>SynrG: well good news is that it all appears too be gpl v2
12:46<SynrG>gartral: then i guess it's up to the android people to seek getting it merged upstream. any signs they're doing that?
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12:47<SynrG>if they *are*, then there is the basis for hope that maybe one day debian will run on it
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12:47<SynrG>meanwhile, all you can get is some bastard child of android + debian running on it (like i said: mixing distros, and a support nightmare)
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12:50<jmm>SynrG: I did that on my phone, but heh you don't get a real debian after that.
12:50*SynrG nods
12:50<jmm>you more have android with some debian tools.
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12:50<jmm>( command lines ).
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12:55<gartral>SynrG: google technicaly supports the android kernel directly, but i'm not sure about this derivative kernel
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13:03<gartral>(off topic but kinda important it oftc an org or net?0
13:04<retrospectacus>this is
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13:04<dondelelcaro>gartral: #oftc or #moocows can help, depending on what the actual question is
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13:06<gartral>dondelelcaro: wether or not i was connected too or! lol
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13:08<retrospectacus>gartral: netstat |grep oftc ;)
13:09<SynrG>/whois gartral
13:10<gartral>retrospectacus: didn't return anything :(
13:10<retrospectacus>oh is he on a webclient or so
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13:11<gartral>ahhahaha. your network doesn't know the difference between a webclient and irssi!
13:11<gartral>that's a laugh
13:11<sney>it's but you can also get here by connecting to!
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13:12<gartral>ok cool, so its a little like the arrangement
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13:15<lord_rob>before pointed to freenode too, dunno why it's changed
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13:16<gartral>lord_rob: freenode's been pissing people off
13:16<themill>!oftc move
13:16<dpkg> moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see Operators and bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on one or other network. See also
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13:19<marcus>hi all. i am using 2.6.32-5-amd64 on squeeze and got some trouble with alsa. cat /proc/asound/version gives me 1.0.21 but shouldn't it be .23?
13:20<sney>I think .23 is available as alsa-source but isn't the one built by default
13:20<sney>judd: versions alsa-source
13:20<judd>Package alsa-source on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1.0.23+dfsg-2
13:20<marcus>so i need to rebuild it on my own?
13:20<sney>so if you want 1.0.23 all you have to do is install module-assistant and do m-a a-i alsa-source, and it'll build it all for you
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13:21<marcus>ah, cool
13:21<lord_rob>Anyway, since has moved here, I still think the other chan is more active
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13:22<lord_rob>(personal opinion of course)
13:22<SynrG>note "build it all for you" is long and slow
13:22<sney>lord_rob: it's more active just because freenode is more active
13:22<SynrG>with some tuning, it can be made specific to your hardware
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13:23<sney>SynrG: slow depends on the build system, of course. my amd64 desktop did pretty quickly
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13:23<SynrG>sney: i wouldn't recommend it on a netbook :p
13:23<sney>SynrG: word, but where did he say he had a netbook?
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13:23<SynrG>he didn't. i just wanted to clarify
13:24<SynrG>see /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf
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13:24<SynrG>i have ALSA_CARDS="hda-intel" ... saves a lot of time for my system.
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13:40<joel>Hi, i have a problem with a recent squeeze machine just updated, that when it's booting i see it is extremely slow when trying to start dbus, and then MTA
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13:48<SynrG>joel: network not coming up before these things?
13:48<SynrG>failed dns lookups, possibly
13:49<the_hydra>or a fault somewhere in /etc/hosts
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14:00<Dinzy>how to get flaming cursor in linux or ubuntu ?
14:00<Dinzy>Using ubuntu right now..
14:00<themill>Dinzy: try #ubuntu on
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14:03<retrospectacus>flaming cursor???
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14:05<babilen>retrospectacus: /me guesses some compiz nonsense
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14:05<retrospectacus>to each their own...
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14:35<Black_Prince>Good point
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14:38<Maulkin>Hi. This channel is for Debian support. Just thought it may be a good idea to remind newcomers about that.
14:41<corvus_corax>still rolls --->
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14:44<trifolio6>hi all, is it a big change today in debian unstable? i had this :
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14:45<trifolio6>when i was doing aptitude full-upgrade
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14:46<oxan>trifolio6: well, looks like normal unstable breakage to me :)
14:46<sney>trifolio6: the mailing lists would know better than here, but sunday is the update day usually
14:47<oxan>trifolio6: it seems to be quite easy fixable by picking the librsvg2-2 and libwmf0.2-7 packages from experimental
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14:48<trifolio6>i just need to get from experimental the librsvg2-2and libwmf0.2-7? ill try
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14:53<nutnut>Hello, I am attempting to install Squeeze 6.0.1 (debian-6.0.1-i386-CD-1.iso) to a HP ProLiant DL385 G1, it boots from CD, asks for lang/keyboard (set to british) does detecting hardware now its just sat on a blue screen with a gray line at the bottom
14:53<nutnut>nope I can press F2 and get busybox
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14:54<the_hydra>nutnut: maybe you need to try failsafe mode
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14:55<the_hydra>nutnut: or kernel parameters like "noapic" etc
14:55<nutnut>okay, one second
14:55<babilen>nutnut: could you also try the text installer
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14:55<nutnut>I did press "install" which by default does appear to pick the text installer
14:56<babilen>ah, wonderful
14:56<the_hydra>anyway, sure the CD has no defect?
14:56<babilen>!check cd image
14:56<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
14:56<the_hydra>and if it was result of CD/DVD burn, are you sure the ISO file is correct?
14:57<the_hydra>oh well thanks babilen
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14:57<nutnut>You do have a point, I just burned it.. I guess I can fetch it from the datacentre and try
14:57<babilen>the_hydra: no problem, but that comes up regularly
14:57<the_hydra>babilen: i see
14:57<the_hydra>nutnut: if you're in hurry, try netinstall ISO
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14:58<the_hydra>nutnut: so at least you have an idea whether you're hardware is fully compatible or not
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14:58<babilen>nutnut: It might however be that it is actually a problem with your hardware, or that firmware is requires (/msg dpkg firmware images) ... If you run the "expert" installer you should have more control over what is actually happening. It is worth trying boot options like "noacpi" "noapm" or "noapic" though, but that are just shots in the dark
14:58<babilen>nutnut: how long did you wait btw?
14:59<nutnut>I am installing over a Redhat Install which worked fine
14:59<nutnut>I waited around 10 minutes
14:59<babilen>the lates debian kernel has a bunch of firmware binary blobs ripped out, for example ...
14:59<babilen>ok, that should be long enough
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14:59<the_hydra>nutnut: I sense firmware problem
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15:00<trifolio6>i donwloaded the 2 libreries from experimental and dpkg -i but they need to dependencies and this is what i get when i try to install the dependencies:
15:00<nutnut>its the latest firmware that you can get for 385 g1s (march 06) A5 I beleive
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15:00<babilen>what is?
15:00<the_hydra>nutnut: no I mean, firmware in kernel provided by Debian
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15:01<the_hydra>nutnut: similar to wifi firmware provided by kernel in order to make wifi operational
15:01<the_hydra>nutnut: sometimes we also call it "blob" :D
15:01<babilen>trifolio6: congratulations you broke your system
15:01<babilen>or "blobbie" when its just a tiny one
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15:02<babilen>!tell trifolio6 -about experimental
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15:02<babilen>trifolio6: Which version of Debian are you running?
15:02<nutnut>ahh, well im trying "noapm" "noapic" at the moment guess I'll verify the cd image in a sec
15:02<babilen>nutnut: Sure, the firmware images are worth a try too
15:03<babilen>!tell nutnut -about firmware image
15:03<trifolio6>im using unstable
15:03<nutnut>ok so I can install firmware-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso then upgrade it with apt?
15:03<yzorrilla>I have a problem with tftp server.
15:04<trifolio6>do u have a recomendation babilen?
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15:04<yzorrilla>I try of copy a file from a router cisco
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15:04<babilen>trifolio6: well, enable experimental in your sources list and pull in the dependencies (if available), downgrade the packages in questions or do whatever you feel like doing
15:05<Black_Prince>or the best solution, use stable
15:05<babilen>trifolio6: I wouldn't generally recommend to pull such important packages from experimental
15:05<idank>hi, I installed squeeze on a brand new Intel SSD a couple of days ago and been getting random hangs (black screen)
15:05<babilen>Black_Prince: Nah, that wouldn't provide so much breakage is no fun </sarcasm>
15:05<idank>how would I go about finding the cause of these hangs?
15:06<yzorrilla>I get: %Error opening t<file> (Permission denied)
15:06<the_hydra>idank: see anything in dmesg?
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15:06<the_hydra>idank: you could also use magic sysrq function
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15:07<trifolio6>babilen, i just did this: dpkg -i librsvg2-2_2.32.0-1_amd64.deb libwmf0.2-7_0.2.8.4-7_amd64.deb is it a solution just to uninstall that 2 libreries?
15:07<Black_Prince>testing maybe?
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15:08<sney>trifolio6: why are you using unstable anyway
15:09<trifolio6>i wanted to mantain 2 debs , but i didnt have time. but the unstable is there waiting
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15:11<ballison>How can I get apt-cache search to show me older versions of the package that are still available?
15:11<babilen>,versions librsvg2
15:11<judd>Sorry, no package named 'librsvg2' was found in i386.
15:11<ballison>I'm trying to install Dell OpenManager
15:12<babilen>,versions librsvg2-2
15:12<judd>Package librsvg2-2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.2-2lenny1; sid: 2.26.3-1; squeeze: 2.26.3-1; wheezy: 2.26.3-1; experimental: 2.32.0-1
15:12<babilen>trifolio6: I would downgrade those packages to their versions in wheezy/sid
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15:13<ballison>like when I do " apt-cache policy srvadmin-omcommon" i get version 6.4.-1 but i know there's a 6.3
15:13<sney>ballison: add snapshot (/msg dpkg snapshot) and they should show up
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15:14<trifolio6>babilen: dpkg -r librsvg2-2_2.32.0-1_amd64.deb libwmf0.2-7_0.2.8.4-7_amd64.deb is ok?
15:14<sney>trifolio6: ever read a man page? the one for dpkg has a lot of useful information
15:14<ballison>sney: but these are dell packages....
15:14<trifolio6>i readed it from the man dpkg
15:14<babilen>trifolio6: You could try to remove/purge them, yes
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15:15<sney>ballison: if you're installing 3rd party vendor packages, it's probably best to just use dpkg to manage them
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15:19<trifolio6>babilen: it seems they have dependencies
15:19<trifolio6>i mean packages depending on then
15:19<sney>trifolio6: see, this is why you shouldn't use unstable unless you have the skills to unbreak it
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15:19<babilen>trifolio6: then downgrade them to their versions in wheezy/sid as initially suggested
15:20<babilen>also what sney said
15:20<trifolio6>how do i downgrade then?
15:20<sney>back up /home and reinstall down to stable or testing
15:20<trifolio6>i see sney
15:20<babilen>install the appropriate packages
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15:22<trifolio6>u sugest me to add at sources. list the experimental and then install that 2 packages well. and then downgrade the experimental to testing. i think i know how to do the start but i dont know how to downgrade from experimental to unstable, any guide at the wiki?
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15:23<Black_Prince>*sigh* ... trifolio6 what packages?
15:23<sney>trifolio6: really, if you want a working system again any time soon, you should back up /home and anything you need, then reinstall to stable or testing
15:24<jhutchins_lt>trifolio6: Preferably stable.
15:24<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
15:24<babilen>trifolio6: No, I recommend to downgrade those packages to their versions in wheezy/sid. Or rather: I actually recommend to run squeeze ...
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15:24<sney>and if you want to play with unstable, you can make a VM or something
15:24<trifolio6>Black_Prince: i had this problem with unstable: someone toldme that seems 2 experimental libs will solve that but now i had this problem
15:25<sney>since experimental and unstable are NOT supported in #debian, I move that we stop helping
15:25<babilen>trifolio6: You would downgrade them by installing the .deb with dpkg ... you should find them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ or they should be availabe from
15:25<trifolio6>ok, babilen, i want to downgrade to that 2 versions of the packages, what do i do for that?
15:26<babilen>trifolio6: where were you told you to install those packages from experimental btw?
15:26<babilen>trifolio6: another way of downgrading works by pinning them to a priority >= 1001 ...
15:26<sney>back around 12:44 by my timestamps
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15:29<trifolio6>ls librsvg*
15:29<trifolio6>ls: cannot access librsvg*: No such file or directory
15:30<sney>trifolio6: back up your files and reinstall.
15:30<trifolio6>this is what i get with dpkg -l librsvg*
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15:32<trifolio6>Reinstall all the system is a big thing, if necessary ill do but i preffer other less big solutions
15:32<sney>reinstall is the best and fastest solution. with your skill level you'll be fighting with this for days
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15:33<trifolio6>reinstall will makeme to work for days untill i have the same configured system
15:35<babilen>trifolio6: then *try* downgrading the broken packages to their versions in wheezy/sid ... But really: Using sid is probably not the best idea you had
15:35<sney>trifolio6: well maybe you shouldn't have run unstable on a system that was important to you. let this be a lesson.
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15:35<trifolio6>its a lesson, thats true :)
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15:35<sney>They do call it "unstable" for a reason you know. it's not just a pretty name.
15:36<Black_Prince>trifolio6 if you mixed your system with experimental, I would suggest downloading libgail8 and librsvg2-common from experimental too
15:37<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Really, recommending that obviously inexperienced people mix distributions is not a nice thing to do.
15:37<trifolio6>i havent mixed, i have just 2 libreries instaled, just a little mixed if u want.
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15:37<jhutchins_lt>trifolio6: It's like being a little bit pregnant.
15:37<Black_Prince>There isn't any other solution ... either try this or reinstall
15:38<Black_Prince>or wait until librsvg2 and libgail8 are migrated from experimental to sid
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15:38<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Because new users running sid is a good idea?
15:38<trifolio6>if my computer continues runing well i dont need to upgrade it
15:39<Black_Prince>Any user running sid is bad idea
15:39<trifolio6>this problems seems just a aptitude dist-upgrade limitation for the moment
15:39<jhutchins_lt>Did we consider removing all of the experimental packages and reinstalling the ones from the current release?
15:39<trifolio6>im not a simple user Black_Prince
15:39<sney>and yet you don't know how to downgrade packages to a different release... I think you might need to examine what you define as 'simple'
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15:43<trifolio6>i think i cant mantain it as it is now and wait until this is solved in dependencies in unstable
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15:46<jakob>hi, is there any command or manpage where i can see with which flags a program is compiled for debian
15:46<metalfingers>hey folks, using on Chromium (the 64bit Flash Player plugin from Adobe), and sound does not seem to work on Flash videos. Sound works fine on all other applications (i don't use any other browser, though)
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15:47<towo`>metalfingers, flash can output sound only on device0
15:47<nutnut>babilen I am using the firmware-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso via tftp (ran out of blank cds) I get to the same part of the install (enter keyboard british etc) and it hangs again
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15:47<metalfingers>Thanks, towo.
15:47<towo`>metalfingers, so it seems, cat /proc/asound/cards is listing more than one device
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15:48<babilen>nutnut: grml ... tftp is a good idea. Have you tried the expert install or the kernel options we mentioned earlier?
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15:48<mehdi_>can i use dial-up to connect to internet?
15:49<towo`>why not?
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15:49<nutnut>babilen I haven't tried export, however I will admit/mention whilst setting up the tftp server, the CD install eventually came up asking if I could insert media for /tigon/tg3_tso.bin so I put it onto a usb stick and put it in pressed return and must have been around 20 minutes before the same screen came up again FYI
15:49<babilen>nutnut: I am, honestly, running out of ideas and would have to research the actual hardware.
15:49<mehdi_>look we have this kinda internet wich is dial-up and only uses a special number no nedd for user and pass how can i set it?
15:49<metalfingers>towo: odd, there are two deviced listed, but my device0 is the one i'm currently using.
15:50<babilen>nutnut: So it is looking for firmware for the tg3 controller?
15:50<Black_Prince>nutnut, my card is also looking for tg3/tigon_tso.bin ... But I can get my network card to work without it
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15:50<johanhar>I have now updated to debian testing (wheezy). I have a question, how well does it work to install stable packages. I am setting up "synaptic package manager" and on the repository settings you can hook off: main, contrib, non-free
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15:51<johanhar>Should I only be looking for testing packages when on testing?
15:51<nutnut>Black_Prince thats just a nic card? so perhaps I can continue my install without it?
15:51<babilen>nutnut: The point is that this firmware should be available in the firmware image. It might be worth a try to download the firmware.tar.gz and offer it on a USB stick ...
15:51<Black_Prince>nutnut 05:02.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5782 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 03)
15:51<babilen>nutnut: Try the expert install and skip that step (if possible)
15:51<babilen>!tell nutnut -about tg3
15:52<Black_Prince>I always use expert install, I select "No" when prompted for firmware ... And everything goes well
15:52<nutnut>ok Black_Prince thanks,
15:53<abcd82>metalfingers: you don't use pulseaudio? there was something with pulse+flash
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15:54<metalfingers>i do have a pulseaudio process running. I've rebooted. Uninstalled Chromium browser, deleted the flash plugin, reinstalled it all and... same result.
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15:54<metalfingers>seems to have happened after these last updates i believe?
15:54<metalfingers>no idea what's happened./
15:55<costas>metalfingers, used to had issues with iceweasel on amd64 but just used the following: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
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15:55<nutnut>does the squeeze netinst have an expert mode?
15:55<Black_Prince>metalfingers, do you have pulseaudio-esound-compat installed?
15:55<Black_Prince>nutnut it does ... Even netboot has it
15:55<babilen>nutnut: yes, boot it with (surprise!) "expert"
15:56<nutnut>ok what would I put in append for tftp install?
15:56<nutnut>where* sorry
15:56<metalfingers>costas: i'm using the 'Square' plugin from Adobe.
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15:56<metalfingers>Black_Prince: I on't know, thank you. I will check.
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15:59<metalfingers>Black_Prince: yes, i have pulseaudio-esound-compat installed.
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16:00<jakob>hi, is there any command or manpage where i can see with which flags a program is compiled for debian sqeeze
16:00<nutnut>my append line looks like this "append initrd=deb/initrd expert ramdisk_size 8192 install=http://x.x.x.x/iso/deb" after detecting hardware its just sitting there again
16:01<abcd82>metalfingers: , try adding ~/.asoundrc
16:01<Black_Prince>jakob, as I remember Debian programs are compiled for i486-linux-gnu with default flags '-O2 -Wall -g'
16:01<metalfingers>abcd82: thanks, & thanks to everyone else for the help. I'll look into it.
16:02<metalfingers>After a bit i'll get back in here & see if i help anyone else with any issues i may know solutions to.
16:02<costas>metalfingers, I had no sound until I updated the flashplugin... then everything was fine, check here:
16:02<metalfingers>costas: thanks.
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16:03<jakob>black_price, but is there no documentation where i can see with which features a program is compiled...
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16:03<Black_Prince>nutnut, maybe adding priority=low will switch to expert install
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16:06<RD>hrmm, any idea what i may be doing wrong here?
16:06<RD>:~# apt-get install libmd5-perl etherwake ntpdate libio-socket-ssl-perl Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package libmd5-perl
16:06<nutnut>Black_Prince ok so now I have the installer main menu, it freezes when I run "Load installer components from CD" after loading componants it "detects hardware" then screen goes blank
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16:06<babilen>nutnut: Don't you get something like: ?
16:07<Black_Prince>,versions libcrypt-md5-perl
16:07<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libcrypt-md5-perl' was found in i386.
16:07<Black_Prince>,versions libmd5-perl
16:07<judd>Package libmd5-perl on i386 -- lenny: 2.03-1
16:07<babilen>nutnut: As mentioned in there you should be able to pick "Expert" in the Advanced options
16:07<nutnut>babilen I see Debian installer main menu Choose the next step in the install process: choose language select a keyboard defect and mount cd-rom etc
16:08<nutnut>babilen perhaps I need to setup my tftpboot differently?
16:08<Black_Prince>jakob, man dpkg-buildflags
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16:10<RD>am going off a write up to install, do i alter the code i wrote for the get libmd-5 ?
16:12<Black_Prince>There is Digest/MD5
16:12<Black_Prince>in squeeze
16:12<babilen>nutnut: IIRC you could still pick the expert install when you use TFTP ... So, just to make sure: You boot via PXE (or CD fwiw), the installer image is retrieved and you directly enter the graphical installer without the possibility to choose anything else? No boot prompt? No menu?
16:12<Black_Prince>nutnut how did you setup tftp?
16:13<babilen>Black_Prince: /me guesses "As explained in Section 4.5, “Preparing Files for TFTP Net Booting”. "
16:13<Black_Prince>Thats old as hell
16:13<Black_Prince>It even uses dhcp3-server ... And it's confusing
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16:14<nutnut>I have a working tfp server for rhel4/5/vmware on the network
16:14<nutnut>I added this to the default menu config
16:14<nutnut>label firmware6
16:14<babilen>dhcp3/bootp/tftp are covered ... but well, How did you actually do it, nutnut? And can you start the expert installer from the CD burned earlier?
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16:15<nutnut>babilen Black_Prince
16:15<Black_Prince>This isn't nearly the same as I have ...
16:16<Black_Prince>It even downloads installer components from mirror
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16:16<nutnut>install=http:// points at the whole firmware iso
16:16<Black_Prince>I download debian netboot.tar.gz from mirror, extract it in /srv/tftp
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16:17<nutnut>we already have a very big tftp config setup
16:17<Black_Prince>Setup dhcp to look for right file and on real address, and done
16:17<nutnut>I cant just go over it, I add to the existing file a new label and menu etc
16:17<babilen>nutnut: Ah! Please use the netboot.tar.gz as explained in ( Black_Prince might have a better configuration in mind, as he complained about that documentation. It worked fine for me fwiw)
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16:18<Black_Prince>I do have to switch lan cables to turn server workstation on ...
16:18<babilen>nutnut: But still, could you try to boot from CD and select the expert install?
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16:20<nutnut>babilen I could, however my college stole my CD ;p
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16:20<babilen>nutnut: haha
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16:21<babilen>nutnut: pick a different univsersity that does not have to steal CDs from its students
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16:21<babilen>university even
16:21<nutnut>babilen I'm at work ;]
16:22<mc68040>nutnut: following line in the pxe boot config throws me into expert mode: append priority=low vga=normal initrd=debian-installer/squeeze/amd64/initrd.gz --
16:22<babilen>nutnut: Ok, you might want to start setting up the netboot installer by following the guide I linked earlier
16:22<nutnut>mc68040 thank you let me try
16:22<babilen>nutnut: (I know, the typo "college" vs "colleague" was just too tempting, and I needed to lighten up the situation a little)
16:23<nutnut>babilen I have a E in GCSE English ;]
16:23<nutnut>or an
16:23<eponymous>anyone know a quick way for me to list all the files in a directory and in the folders within the directory? I was thinking something like "ls -R >>dirList.txt" would solve it, but that only gets me the names of the folders and files within the immediate level
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16:24<Black_Prince>Here is how I setup netboot installer
16:24<babilen>eponymous: "find /path/to/whatever" ?
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16:24<jhutchins_lt>eponymous: ls /some/path/*
16:24<MrFrood>eponymous: 'ls --color=auto --group-directories-first -R -F -G | most
16:25<eponymous>hmm, babilen jhutchins would that include the path for each file (from the common root)?
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16:25<babilen>eponymous: why don't you try it? See also the "-print" option to find and what MrFrood just said. Pick your poison
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16:26<eponymous>I just did.
16:26<eponymous>I was asking 'cos I figured you'd know.
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16:27<eponymous>hmm, thanks anyhow
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16:28<eponymous>I don't think I explained myself properly... I need to list out the /files /folder/files ... etc
16:28<MrFrood>one of my favourite aliases that is
16:28<StefanoNoto>hello, samebody can help me about source software?
16:28<eponymous>I remember doing something similar in windows with a dir listing, I think.
16:28<Black_Prince>StefanoNoto state your problem first
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16:28<MrFrood>StefanoNoto: debian source or upstream source
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16:29<eponymous>ah got it! :)
16:29<MrFrood>eponymous: try mc with the tree view
16:29<StefanoNoto>i copied dvd debian on desktop how to write APR string?
16:30<MrFrood>you want to add it to your sources list?
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16:32<StefanoNoto>yes... the dvd is copied on desktop into debian directory
16:33<MrFrood>well have you anything than can read iso files?
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16:33<rudi_s>mount can read iso files.
16:34<StefanoNoto>iso? i dont need to reed iso file
16:34<StefanoNoto>i m talking about all software incluse the dvd
16:34<MrFrood>I have no clue how he's going to do this so if someone else would like to jump in...
16:34<MrFrood>the dvd is an iso file yes
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16:34<jhutchins_lt>StefanoNoto: ...and you put it on your desktop.
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16:35<MrFrood>is it a dvd in your drive or an iso image on yoour hard drive?
16:35<cthuluh>apt-cdrom -d /mountpoint, no?
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16:35<StefanoNoto>i copied all the dvd, for the update of softer... debian is already istalled
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16:36<MrFrood>did you copy the files or the image?
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16:36<StefanoNoto>all files
16:37<babilen>nutnut: ping?
16:37<MrFrood>so you want to set up a local repository - the problem is defined
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16:38<pde>network-manager-gnome seems to be broken in unstable :(
16:38<MrFrood>i've never done that so I'm going to step out... (exit stage left)
16:38<pde>via librsvg2-2
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16:39<nutnut>babilen I'm trying CD rom now
16:40<babilen>nutnut: ok
16:40<MrFrood>StefanoNoto: if no one can help google 'local debian repository'
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16:41<Black_Prince>err, as I know, debian cd's/dvd's ARE REPOSITORIES
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16:42<Black_Prince>adding file:///path/to/dvd squeeze main contrib non-free to sources.list should do it :|
16:42<StefanoNoto>there is a irch channel on italian?
16:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:45<babilen>StefanoNoto: Also read "man apt-cdrom" :)
16:46<metalfingers>hey folks, flash player works great now with sound on 64-bit Squeeze AMD64 using Chromium. All that was needed was to install
16:46<metalfingers>Thing is, i was using the 64-bit release (named Square) off the Adobe site.
16:47<metalfingers>So i had remove from /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins, & install the 32-bit version from the non-free repositories as you guys had suggested
16:48<babilen>metalfingers: So "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" did not work?
16:48<metalfingers>I'm a little slow to CLI, and wanted to go through the GUI to make sure i could read everything as carefully as i could.
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16:48<metalfingers>SO i didn't try that.
16:48<metalfingers>BUt i'm sure that would have been the same thing.
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16:49<babilen>metalfingers: ah, that is typically the best way to install the flash plugin. It needs manual updating once in a while with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" though
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16:50<babilen>metalfingers: It is essentially a downloader for the flashplugin that installs the plugin in a sane way.
16:50<metalfingers>Will keep an eye on it. Wish Adobe had an RSS to let me know when updates are available.
16:50<metalfingers>babilen: Thank you.
16:51<nutnut>babilen im using expert mode, I _have_ to press detect network hardware and when I do thats when it just goes to the blue screen with the gray bottom line
16:51<babilen>metalfingers: No problem. You need to enable <contrib> repositories for that to work.
16:51<metalfingers>I'm going to stick around & see if there are any users that have questions i might be able to answer.
16:51<babilen>nutnut: <expletive>
16:51<metalfingers>Again, thanks everyone.
16:52<babilen>metalfingers: You are welcome to stay!
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16:52<eponymous>hi, got a quick question. if I create a symbolic link within my www folder, to an mp3 on my NAS, do I need to provide rw permissions to the webserver in order for me to download that file served from my website?
16:52<nutnut>babilen: Indeed, going to just reboot it and let it time out and press no when it eventually appears /has been defeated
16:53<babilen>nutnut: Ok, can you boot a live cd? (debian-live,grml,knoppix) ?
16:53<cthuluh>eponymous: the target file should be readable by the webserver user. the permissions on the symlink aren't checked
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16:54<cirvin>does anyone know how to reinstall libaspell without having to remove all of gnome along with it?
16:54<cthuluh>eponymous: (including read/execute permissions on all directories on the path going to the file)
16:54<Black_Prince>apt-get isntall --reinstall packagename
16:55<Black_Prince>apt-get install --reinstall packagename*
16:55<cthuluh>aptitude and apt-get should provide switch to do that
16:55<babilen>nutnut: You can install debian from the live cd, or debootstrap a Debian system from any other system. Another idea would be to provide the output of "lspci -nn" here and check the kmuto hcl for support and all that. You might also want to ask in #debian-boot which are the installer developers how to circumvent this problem.
16:55<eponymous>cthuluh, how would I go about giving the webserver user permission? do I "chown webserver folder'?
16:55<babilen>nutnut: I feel really sorry that you have to waste your time on this
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16:56<babilen>!tell nutnut -about hcl
16:56<cthuluh>eponymous: not at all. if the directories have 755 permissions and the file has 644 permissions that's enough
16:57<babilen>nutnut: That was the HCL i was referring to. You can also "/msg judd pciid PCIID" (replace PCIID with the abcd:1234 in [] at the end of the lspci -nn output) to learn about it.
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16:57<cthuluh>eponymous: making www-data the owner of the file would be the worst solution
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16:58<cthuluh>eponymous: alternatively, you can use permissions 750 and 640 if you only want the webserver to access this file
16:58<eponymous>oh, ok... so use chmod 755 on the directory and then chmod 644 on the file, instead.
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16:58<cthuluh>eponymous: (the file owner and www-data, that is)
16:58<babilen>nutnut: But that will not actually make the installer work. I see a couple of options now: 1. Fix the installer with the help from #debian-boot 2. Boot a debian-live cd and install from there 3. Boot any other live cd and debootstrap a Debian system 4. Remove the harddrive and debootstrap on another host
16:58<llcoll>hi what is [kworker]
16:58<cthuluh>eponymous: be careful when using chmod
16:59<eponymous>cthuluh, I will try to be ... I'm still a newbie to Debian.
16:59<cthuluh>eponymous: start with reading carefully the manpage
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17:01<eponymous>I will, just going to give in to temptation and try out this one thing (small, unimportant directory) and see if I can get it done, before I hit the man pages.
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17:01<eponymous>cthuluh, thanks for the help
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17:02<nutnut>babilen noted,
17:02<cirvin>Black_Prince: it says that reinstallation is not possible beacause it cannot be downloaded
17:02<nutnut>Black_Prince which network card driver would I need to modprobe?
17:03<Black_Prince>nutnut tg3
17:03<Black_Prince>cirvin what version?
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17:04<nutnut>babilen going to try expert mode --> drop to shell modprobe tg3
17:04<babilen>nutnut: But note that you need firmware for some models
17:04<babilen>!tell nutnut about tg3
17:04<cirvin>Black_Prince: i'm on squeeze/stable and the version seems to be libaspell15 0.60.6-6
17:05<Black_Prince>That's version from unstable
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17:05<Black_Prince>Stable version is 0.60.6-4
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17:05<Black_Prince>,versions libaspell15
17:05<judd>Package libaspell15 on i386 -- lenny: 0.60.6-1; squeeze: 0.60.6-4; sid: 0.60.6-6; wheezy: 0.60.6-6
17:05<nutnut>babilen ahh, if im BCM5701 im screwed not sure what I am tbh /sigh
17:05<babilen>cirvin: "apt-cache policy libaspell15"
17:05<Black_Prince>I am BCM5782 ...
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17:06<Black_Prince>And it can function without firmware, even through it searches for it
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17:06<babilen>I am Intel 82573L ;)
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17:06*nutnut nods
17:06<IratePirate>hey everyone
17:06<Black_Prince>Wow, it seems we are named after network cards :O
17:06<babilen>IratePirate: yarr! welcome, what can we do for you?
17:07<IratePirate>hey guys, I have minimal java and C++ experience, but I want to some how contribute to the linux ( namely debian ) community, any ideas on what I can do?
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17:08<MrFrood>become an irc op ;)
17:08<revolt>sorry for interupt, byt what is a program caled [kworker/0:2] ?
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17:10<babilen>IratePirate: You could start to fix bugs and contribute patches. (ask in #debian-bugs for good how-tos) You might also be able to translate from English to your native language... What would *you* be interested in?
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17:12<IratePirate>I was installing a web browser so I haven't had a chance to open the link, but I have taken a college course in basic java and C++, would I be able to work with bugs and patches?
17:12<IratePirate>opening the link now
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17:14<cirvin>babilen: libaspell15:
17:14<cirvin> Installed: 0.60.6-6
17:14<cirvin> Candidate: 0.60.6-6
17:14<cirvin> Version table:
17:14<cirvin> *** 0.60.6-6 0
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17:14<babilen>revolt: kernel worker process, you might want to look at (no idea why you are interested)
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17:14<IratePirate>yes at this point and time the only thing I really would have to contribute is money, and I am kinda tight on cash as is. How far would I have to get in C++ or Java to start helping?
17:15<cirvin>my apologies
17:15<cthuluh>IratePirate: pick up what you like or dislike in debian and start working on it.
17:15<eponymous>yet another question ... is it possible to serve a file through Apache2 that's stored on a NAS drive on the lan?
17:16<babilen>IratePirate: I would ask in #debian-bugs -- there are some excellent tutorials on bug fixing/triaging, but I don't find the one I am after.
17:16<IratePirate>okay, where can I find the source of the OS to work on it? Sorry I am completely new to this
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17:16<IratePirate>ok I will check it out
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17:17<eponymous>I have sym linked the folder to my webserver area (/var/www/media/myfile.mp3) but keep coming up against all sorts of issues.
17:17<babilen>IratePirate: You would need some understanding of the Debian packaging process though. /msg dpkg nmg
17:17<eponymous>maybe I'm thinking too simplistically? (I think my anti-allergy tablets made me a little high today)
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17:18<babilen>IratePirate: But as I said, there are other ways. You might be able to help with translations for example
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17:18<IratePirate>what does /mng dpkg nmg
17:18<IratePirate>do? and I don't know another language, english is my native
17:18<gartral>well i'm giving up on the arm-netbook.
17:18<babilen>!tell IratePirate -about nmg
17:18<eponymous>IratePirate, it's a chat up line in Cantonese?
17:19<babilen>gartral: Too bad :-\
17:20<cirvin>there we go, found the force version dialog in synaptic, thank you!
17:20<MrFrood>gartral: you could try netbsd it's supposed to run on everything, even toaters
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17:21<babilen>MrFrood: I doubt that will help with the .com whatever startup thingie (sorry for the lack of proper terminology)
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17:22<MrFrood>babilen: guess I should of included a ;) at the end of my last post...
17:22<babilen>MrFrood: It was a good suggestion
17:23<MrFrood>so the issue is with the bootloader?
17:23<jhutchins_lt>,maint flashplugin-nonfree
17:23<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree version 1:2.8.3 was uploaded by Bart Martens on 2010-12-29, last changed by Bart Martens and maintained by Bart Martens.
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17:30<cirvin>everything still crashes when i right click on any underlined wrongly spelled words
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17:31<cirvin>i'm going to try and see if there arent other spelling related packages at unstable versions
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17:33<babilen>cirvin: Could you run 'apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~o" and paste the output? If you want you can include 'apt-show-versions | grep -e "/wheezy\|/sid"'
17:33<revolt|AW>how to go root using sudo ?
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17:35<babilen>revolt|AW: "sudo -i"
17:35<revolt|AW>ok thx
17:35<babilen>revolt|AW: Have fun "going root" :)
17:36<cirvin>babilen: here's the first , and the second
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17:39<babilen>cirvin: The packages in the second paste are candidates for wheezy/sid packages. Or actually: they are obsolete packages, which means that they are not available in any repository you configured. As you don't have wheezy/sid repos configured NOW packages installed from there are also obsolete
17:39<babilen>cirvin: "libreoffice" screams sid though :)
17:40<cirvin>i was on sid, once squeeze came out i switched over, i must not have done it right
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17:42<babilen>cirvin: That also includes all those third-party packages you installed like "adobeair" ... I would first remove the googletalkplugin thin in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, then pin squeeze to a priority >= 1001 and try to downgrade those packages. And yes, switching like this is not supported and you have some packages left. Can't say anything about the status of your system, as it looks like you've played a lot :)
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17:43<Twelve>Hello, I've got a 3G modem, Huawei E156B, which supports a MicroSD plugged in, but it doesn't appear on device notifier to mount it (but it connects normally). I'm using Debian Squeeze 6.0.0.
17:43<cirvin>i like poking things, i consider myself at the level of knowing enough to get in trouble. this system started off with lxde until i got fed up with it and went back to gnome
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17:44<cirvin>babilen: how do i pin squeeze to priority?
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17:44<Twelve>The MicroSD plugged in is 2GB.
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17:44<babilen>cirvin: you should know that as a sid user ;)
17:44<babilen>!tell cirvin -about pinning
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17:44<babilen>cirvin: pin squeeze!
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17:45<babilen>cirvin: this is all *not* supported, may burn your cat, children, flat and blow up the parliament in your country though.
17:46<dpkg>hello, black_prince
17:46<elsalamejor>q pasa
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17:47<maxb>Is there any way to easily compute "all the packages with priority >= standard, and anything they depend on" ?
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17:47<cirvin>babilen: there's no safer way?
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17:48<babilen>cirvin: sid is never safe
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17:49<babilen>cirvin: The safest way would be to reinstall.
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17:49<maxb>Also, does anyone know whether the rather dire warnings about preseeding base-installer/install-recommends to false (at are really justified in being that dire?
17:49<cirvin>ok, thats an option for later, i may just suffer without spellchecking, this is my life machine
17:49<babilen>!tell maxb -about aptitude search
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17:51<Twelve>Hello, I've got a 3G modem, Huawei E156B, which supports a MicroSD (this one is 2GB) plugged in, but it doesn't appear on device notifier to mount it (but it connects normally). How do I fix it? I'm using Debian Squeeze.
17:51<maxb>babilen: I don't think you can search for "and all the packages required by dependencies from your search results", though, can you?
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17:51<babilen>maxb: check ?for
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17:52<babilen>Twelve: You want to mount the device?
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17:53<Twelve>Through the device notifier.
17:53<babilen>Twelve: Could you replug it and paste "dmesg|tail -30" to please?
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17:53<babilen>Twelve: I am not familiar with the device notifier ... are you using a Desktop Environment?
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17:54<cirvin>babilen: it doesnt seem to downgrade anything
17:55<babilen>cirvin: what doesn't?
17:55<Twelve>Wait, I will have to disconnect then. I will be back up to 2 minutes.
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17:55<cirvin>babilen: i tried apt-get -t squeeze upgrade
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17:57<babilen>try "aptitude full-upgrade"
17:58<babilen>or "aptitude -s full-upgrade" first and paste the output
17:58<maxb>babilen: Wow. complex. Thanks! I will ponder this.
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17:58<babilen>please let me see what it does :)
17:59<babilen>(or suggests rather with the "-s" option)
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18:00<babilen>cirvin: "aptitude -s install ~o" ? Please also include the output of "apt-cache policy" in that paste. And don't accept anything yet.
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18:01<babilen>cirvin: Note that you'll have to remove the libreoffice packages manually though, as squeeze still has openoffice
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18:02<cirvin>babilen: thats ok, i like openoffice better
18:03<babilen>Twelve: You should be able to mount /dev/sdb1 -- Use whatever KDE uses for that, "mkdir /mnt/foo ; mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo" or "aptitude install pmount ; pmount /dev/sdb1 foo"
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18:03<nutnut>babilen Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #1 of LVM VG x, LV root... 33% ;]
18:03<nutnut>if it doesnt work now FML
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18:04<babilen>cirvin: Your pinning did not work (the priorities are wrong) and you still have the googletalk file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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18:04<Black_Prince>nutnut you finally did it?
18:05<Twelve>babilen: pmount requires to be root to mount?
18:05<babilen>cirvin: Work on the pinning until squeeze has 1001 in the "apt-cache policy" output, purge libreoffice and all other packages you don't need (now) from the "aptitude search ~o" list and then run "aptitude full-upgrade" to downgrade the rest
18:05<nutnut>Black_Prince its not over until the install is complete, but yes essentially its installing ;]
18:05<nutnut>(formatting 1.5tb raid5 probably takes a while)
18:06<babilen>Twelve: No, it does not. It requires that your user is a member of the "plugdev" group. Check the output of "groups" and if you are not ye a member run "adduser YOURUSERNAME plugdev" (replace YOURUSERNAME)
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18:06<Black_Prince>You needed firmware or not?
18:06<babilen>nutnut: what? huh! yay \o/ ... /me dances, what did the trick?
18:07<nutnut>I manually mounted a usb stick which had the .bin on, and it seemed to not moan about it... other trick I guess would be to just let it time out and press "no" to additional media
18:07<nutnut>im in expert mode also
18:07<Black_Prince>Congrats, you are now an expert
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18:08<nutnut>not yet, I could soon be -1 working_work_laptop + job if this install fails ;)
18:08<babilen>nutnut: wonderful, I would recommend to file a bug against "installation-reports" later ...
18:08<babilen>nutnut: If you are still in the mood that is
18:09<nutnut>I will try my best, girlfriend is complaining that im not home yet
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18:10<Twelve>babilen: Good! Much better now! Thank you!
18:10*babilen hands you a nice flower bouquet to give her in the name of #debian and Debian :)
18:10<nutnut>oooh, Installing Base system
18:11<babilen>Twelve: You are most welcome. It was the plugdev group? Or do you just use pmount now?
18:11<babilen>nutnut: :-D
18:11<Black_Prince>I got tired of waiting for live images
18:12<babilen>Didn't SynrG say something about the ETA?
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18:12<Black_Prince>Yes ... Tomorrow or Wednesday
18:12<babilen>so, Wednesday in both cases?
18:13<babilen>ah, no its monday :)
18:13<Black_Prince>I have all of gnome in local repo
18:13<cirvin>babilen: i cannot get the pinning to work
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18:13<Black_Prince>But I am to tired to make one
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18:14<Black_Prince>!apt preferences
18:14<babilen>cirvin: Show me your apt preferences
18:14<babilen>dpkg: ping
18:14<dpkg>Yes, babilen you are either online or you are not...
18:14<Twelve>babilen: Just installed pmount.
18:14<cirvin>babilen: sorry, i just got it.. i forgot a semicolon -.-
18:14<Black_Prince>Does someone know where to put APT:Install:Recommends "false"; and APT:Install:Suggests "false";
18:15<Black_Prince>And is it correct ...
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18:15<Twelve>babilen: and then I created a link to it on the desktop (as a hard disk, pointing to /dev/sdb1).
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18:16<babilen>!tell Black_Prince -about apt recommends
18:16<cirvin>upgrading.. this will take a while
18:16<babilen>Black_Prince: And s/Recommends/Suggests in that
18:17<babilen>cirvin: UPgrading? Why don't you show me the output first?
18:17<Black_Prince>I want to turn on recommends and suggests ... to download all packages into local repo
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18:17<cirvin>babilen: what outputs do you need again?
18:17<babilen>Black_Prince: It is: APT::Install-Recommends no; (likewise for Suggests)
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18:18<Black_Prince>will APT::Install-Suggests yes; turn on downloading suggested packages as well?
18:18<babilen>cirvin: The one from "aptitude -s full-upgrade" .. but i'll settle for the "aptitude full-upgrade" output if you already started
18:19<babilen>Black_Prince: "man apt.conf"
18:19<babilen>Black_Prince: I am not 100% sure and you can check yourself. I don't want to give false information.
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18:20<Black_Prince>Nothing about that in man apt.conf
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18:21<babilen>Black_Prince: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz ?
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18:22<babilen>cirvin: didn't you say that it is "upgrading" ?
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18:22<cirvin>babilen: i meant downgrading, sorry
18:23<cirvin>i aborted the process though
18:23<Black_Prince>Yep, that does the trick
18:23<Black_Prince>APT::Install-Suggests yes;
18:23<Black_Prince>When turned on gnome installation is 3.5GB
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18:24<babilen>cirvin: I want to see that particular output
18:24<cthuluh>3.5GB isn't that much compared to other OSes, though
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18:25<babilen>cirvin: And use CTRL-Z the next time to pause it, I *really* hope you did not interrupt it during the downgrading phase ...
18:25<Black_Prince>0 upgraded, 3104 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 3,795 MB of archives.
18:25<Black_Prince>That's for four DE's
18:25*babilen hands Black_Prince a T1 downling
18:26<Black_Prince>I'll leave it overnight
18:26<Black_Prince>I have 768KBIT connection
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18:28<cirvin>babilen: was through synaptic, it was just downloading packages
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18:29<Black_Prince>Hm, I found an interesting package
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18:30<babilen>cirvin: I just wanted to check if everything is OK ... I'll settle for anything, but you can also just continue :)
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18:35<nutnut>how do I force a nic to 1000 full in squeeze in /etc/network/interfaces
18:35<nutnut>please ;(
18:35<cirvin>babilen: thank you very much for all of your help, i really appreciate it
18:35<Black_Prince>Connect it to other 1000 nic?
18:35<nutnut>switch doesn't autoneg
18:35<nutnut>I have to force it
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18:36<Black_Prince>Damn, even Iceweasel knows I shouldn't even try to download hd videos on such hardware ...
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18:37<babilen>cirvin: You are welcome? Did that work out?
18:37<nutnut>babilen Black_Prince any idea on how to force my nic to 1000 full in squeeze?
18:38<babilen>ethtool comes to mind
18:38<cirvin>babilen: its running right now, my net connection is slow
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18:39<nutnut>ethtool is not installed :/
18:39<nutnut>and I don't have any network ;p
18:39<babilen>nutnut: well install it
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18:40<babilen>nutnut: ok, could you elaborate a bit more on your situation?
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18:41<nutnut>babilen yeah, I got debian installed now still no networking though due to speed/duplex settings
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18:42<babilen>nutnut: Could you run "modprobe -r tg3 ; modprobe tg3 ; dmesg | tail -23" and check if it complains about firmware?
18:43<Black_Prince>I don't know how, but I closed whole Xchat instead of just one network
18:43<nutnut>babilen I logged onto the switch and set autoneg, another workaround ;p /wish debian installed ethtool by default
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18:44<babilen>nutnut: ok, that would work too. The NIC itself is working now?
18:44<nutnut>babilen yes :)
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18:45<babilen>nutnut: Looks as if you are done soon :)
18:46<Black_Prince>Now you are an expert
18:46*Black_Prince welcomes nutnut to experts team
18:46<retrospectacus>!champagne nutnut
18:46*dpkg puts on a sexy miniskirt and showers nutnut in the finest Cliquot champagne.
18:46<Black_Prince>that's a nice one
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18:47<babilen>dpkg: I love you
18:47<dpkg>I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/
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18:48<Black_Prince>I remember when someone said some 'love things' to dpkg, and it replied with something like that ... Then the guy said "Oh well, you don't seem to have gay module"
18:48<cirvin>0.0 was not expecting this in this channel
18:48<babilen>cirvin: sorry
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18:50<babilen>cirvin: so, download done ?
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18:50<cirvin>babilen: haha, no sorry, just suprised! half an hour left on the download
18:50<Black_Prince>*sigh* ... I didn't know that there is 100GBIT ethernet
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18:52<babilen>Black_Prince: Take a look at infiniband ... we used that for the cluster @uni
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18:53<nutnut>babilen this box is running uber fast ;)
18:53<babilen>Black_Prince: or myrinet (which would probably have been a better choice)
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18:54<Black_Prince>What are these for? I just said I didn't know 100GBIT ethernet was implemented
18:54<Black_Prince>I also heard first time of 10GBit when I compiled linux kernel
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18:55<Black_Prince>Well, I'm off to bed ... Good night
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19:07<planet8>Any recommandations for a good webmail that is easy (read not time consuming) to configure on Debian squeeze? I currently use Squirrelmail, and it's quite simple, yet it isn't that feature rich and it's a bit slow.
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19:08<babilen>planet8: People seem to like squirrelmail, horde and roundcube ... I would check them in the reverse order.
19:09<babilen>,info roundcube
19:09<retrospectacus>planet8: I've also used Horde and Roundcube and they are more feature-ful but I think Squirrelmail is fastest
19:09<judd>Package roundcube (web, extra) in squeeze/i386: skinnable AJAX based webmail solution for IMAP servers - metapackage. Version: 0.3.1-6; Size: 12.5k; Installed: 92k; Homepage:
19:10<babilen>planet8: no problem, have fun!
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19:11<dpkg>id4689: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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19:18<nutnut>thanks for help all
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19:19<cirvin>babilen: downgrade commencing
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19:37<cirvin>babilen: it works! thank you!
19:38<babilen>cirvin: wonderful, anything coming up in "aptitude search ~o" ? Don't forget to revert the pinning.
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19:39<cirvin>a lot came up in that search
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19:39<babilen>cirvin: err, make that "aptitude search ~i~o" :)
19:40<cirvin>still a lot came up
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19:41<babilen>could you revert the pinning, run "aptitude update" and paste the output of "apt-cache policy" "aptitude search ~i~o" and 'apt-show-versions|grep -e "/wheezy\|/sid"'
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19:47<babilen>cirvin: You can probably remove most of those packages. libevent1 is, for example, only available in lenny. I would go through that list and remove most of it.
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19:48<babilen>cirvin: Those are all the packages that are not known to your system because they are not in squeeze. Either because you installed them from third-party sources (like adobeair) or because they belong to different versions of Debian.
19:49<babilen>cirvin: "rmadison PKG" (from the devscripts package) might come in handy ... Have fun!
19:49<themill>most of them are superseded libraries
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19:50<babilen>cirvin: But, more importantly, Is the initial problem solved too?
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19:51<cirvin>yes, yes it is, spellcheck works once more
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20:08<nordd>hey is there anyone willing to help me, i got a simple question?
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20:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:10<Lanz>Hey everyone, I have a 2 terabyte Western Digital Caviar Green external hard drive formatted as NTFS (to use with Windows and Linux). Upon plugging it in today, the hard drive is empty, but still says it has 20.1GB free and is 99% used when browsed from Konqeror/Dolphin. Testdisk shows the partition and doesn't report any errors during analysis. How can I get my files back?
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20:11<retrospectacus>Lanz: can you see the files in Windows?
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20:12<Lanz>No I cannot
20:12<retrospectacus>check dmesg for mounting errors/messages?
20:12<Lanz>There don't seem to be any errors
20:12<Lanz>The undelete utility within Testdisk only shows about 50 files, but there are thousands more
20:13<nordd>actually my problem is cuz of lost of power, my box shutdown n i lost my 286 days uptime
20:13<nordd>is there anyway to change the uptime?
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20:13<retrospectacus>nordd: easy. wait 286 days.
20:13<nordd>no, seriously
20:13<nordd>thats not cheating
20:14<ml|>what is the big deal about uptime? who cares?
20:14<nordd>i care.
20:14<retrospectacus>I think you can use relativity. Just accelerate the PC to near-light-speed for several minutes.
20:14<ml|>retrospectacus: heh
20:14<nordd>i know its possible to modify /proc/uptime
20:14<nordd>but u need to sync kernel with it
20:14<nordd>am i right
20:14<retrospectacus>or would that work in the opposite way? I guess it depends on your frame of reference..
20:15<nordd>yea but i dont want to touch anything into the kernel scared of things going wron
20:15<themill>nordd: uptime contests are so 1995. Time to move on.
20:15<retrospectacus>sorry it's after 17:00 here so time for jokes
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20:15<nordd>if you could just show me the way
20:17<nordd>is it that you dont know or simply doesnt want to help cuz its usess or call it cheatin/hackin
20:17<retrospectacus>4. all of the above
20:17<themill>I prefer not to run kernels with known vulnerabilities, too.
20:18<nordd>if i modify /proc/uptime n reboot, think it will work?
20:18<nordd>i doubt..
20:19<retrospectacus>Lanz: I don't know how to proceed with your situation... something must have happened to the disk, any ideas?
20:19<Nemoder>anyone have a recommendation for a good 10/100/1000 NIC that doesn't require crazy firmware?
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20:22<Lanz>I just managed to get it to work using Microsoft chkdsk
20:23<Lanz>Guess NTFS is easier to fix from Windows haha
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20:30<abcd82>how to force gnome to reread changes to /etc/group without logging off? Closest i got is using newgrp, but thats not global to all desktop
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20:43<nasuta-work>moin YanLi
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20:54<Arrowmaster>abcd82: you must logout for any group changes to take effect
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20:58<abcd82>Arrowmaster: yes, thats nothing new, was looking for an answer for quite long time, google shows nothing, so wanted to try my luck here :) but looks like thats not possible.
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20:59<abcd82>at least found out about newgrp, and thats better than nothing :)
21:00<Vyrus001>i have installed syslinux and still to not have the isohybrid application, is it not in syslinux any more? 2.6.32-27-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP
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22:01<mom>help using internal wifi with inspiron 4150
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22:02<mom>i can plug in my pcmcia card and use wifi that way....
22:03<mom>i can use the live dvd and use my internal laptop card that way
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22:03<mom>but i can't install and use internal ???
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22:04<flypiper>mom, what is your interal wifi hardware?
22:04<mom>most likely, what is typically sold inside of a dell inspiron 4150
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22:05<flypiper>OK.. that won't work here
22:05<mom>what do you mean?
22:05<flypiper>we are not Dell inspiron techs
22:05<gsimmons>dpkg: tell mom -about what's my wireless
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22:06<mom>possibly, why wouldn't my computer connect to networks that it can see?
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22:07<mom>it connects on the live dvd
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22:09<mom>ever used jb weld on your laptop?
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22:11<mom>looking for wireless
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22:13<mom>how do i find a wireless chat channel?
22:13<nasuta-work>mom, you found the wireless?
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22:14<mom>no, but i am trying
22:14<mom>is there a command i can type?
22:15<nasuta-work>what you want?
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22:18<mom>@nasuta-work I am trying to use the internal wifi card on my computer
22:20<nasuta-work>say what?
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22:21<mom>the whole thing?
22:21<nasuta-work>you see your card?
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22:23<mom>well, here is what happens, i can see a small listing of the various wifi servers in a small pop up, then when i insert my pcmcia card i see a larger listing of the same servers
22:23<nasuta-work>otherwise paste the whole thing here
22:23<mom>i can't access the servers in the small window
22:23<mom>but i can in the larger window
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22:25<mom>mom@sorry computer:~$ lspci
22:25<mom>00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04)
22:25<mom>00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845 845 [Brookdale] Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04)
22:25<mom>00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB Controller #1 (rev 02)
22:25<mom>00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 42)
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22:27<nasuta-work>i give her the link to paste....
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23:02<RD>anyone have a sec to give a lil noob help ?
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23:04*PadawanLearner AHOY
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23:05<geordie>RD: just ask your question
23:06<RD>ok, tried this apt-get install libmd5-perl etherwake ntpdate libio-socket-ssl-perl and am getting this error E: Unable to locate package libmd5-perl
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23:07<PadawanLearner>RD: erm have you tried to change mirrors?
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23:07<RD>i have not, how do i change mirrors?
23:07<PadawanLearner>apt-get install netselect-apt
23:08<gsimmons>RD: Which Debian release are you using?
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23:09<RD>least it ws 6.0 when i installed did the get upgrade after install, so maybe it upgraded to a new version, am not sure
23:10<gsimmons>judd: versions libmd5-perl
23:10<judd>Package libmd5-perl on i386 -- lenny: 2.03-1
23:10<gsimmons>RD: This package was replaced by the Digest::MD5 module (Debian bug #539019) and is not available post-Lenny.
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23:11<RD>i saw that earlier, but was not sure how to get it
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23:12<gsimmons>RD: It's a core module, part of the perl package.
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23:13<RD>so does that mean i have it anstalled already ?
23:15<PadawanLearner>RD: if it's core and you got perl... then you got it
23:19<RD>at the risk of sounding dumber, how do i know if i have it ?
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23:20<PadawanLearner>RD: if you have cpan, i believe there should be some nice wai to do that via CPAN shell
23:21<PadawanLearner>perl -MCPAN -e 'shell'
23:21<PadawanLearner>then inside
23:21<PadawanLearner>test MODULE
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23:22<PadawanLearner>here you go
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23:22<RD>thank you
23:23<PadawanLearner>google helps a lot
23:25<PadawanLearner>earlyer today i spent a couple of hours trying to find a way to get ikiwiki installed on my homedir
23:26<PadawanLearner>on a fedora server without cpan
23:26<PadawanLearner>i gave up
23:26<PadawanLearner>but asked helpdesk if they would be so king to install it(don't think so but...)
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