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---Logopened Tue Mar 22 00:00:12 2011
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00:34<kaiux>hi i am using debian testing and i just made an aptitude safe-upgrade, and my wifi is not working anymore. i am using network-manager over xfce
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00:49<jian>没有什么可以做的为 `install-data-am'。
00:49<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
00:49<jim>ank mn
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00:56<twb>With the apt https method, can I tell apt to send a client certificate?
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00:58<twb>I want to provide my customers (but not the general public) access to some packages, over the internet. I like assymetric crypto, so I want to give each customer their own SSL keypair and have their apt client use it. Then I can control who has access to my apt repo by simply adding/removing SSL public keys from the apache "allowed clients" list.
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01:06<dondelelcaro>twb: you could also just use custom URI and passwords with https or similar
01:07<twb>I prefer not to use passwords
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01:08<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; no real difference between client certs and passwords in this case
01:08<twb>assymmetric vs. symetric
01:08<twb>I admit they'll both be single-factor
01:09<twb>But it means the apt server won't know the private half of the client keys
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01:09<dondelelcaro>anyway, you can look at the apt-transport-https mechanism to see if it's possible to suport it
01:10<twb>(I probably WILL use passwords if two-way SSL verification isn't possible.)
01:10<dondelelcaro>alternatively, you can create your own transport mechanism which will support it
01:10<twb>I thought someone might Just Know, saving me an RTFS :-)
01:10<dondelelcaro>a long time ago, I just did it with custom URIs
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01:36<Mechanik>HI, I want to ask a question. I use debian two weeks. Is raid5 2,7 ТБ total amount. In the beginning I have divided on 0,7ТБ and 2ТБ. Now I want to change to one section 2,7 ТБ, but after an output from fdisk the structure of sections remains old. For an output I use a command w.
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01:37<Mechanik>Why fdisk doesn't work?
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01:38<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
01:39<twb>Mechanik: I don't understand your question.
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01:45<Mechanik>I will try once again
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01:56<Mechanik>I ask a pardon, I was mistaken a forum
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02:00<twb>No problem
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02:01<OddTod>Hello All, I currently run a debian server. I host a couple virtual box servers on this system. I would like to isolate one of them from the rest of the network(this is already complete). But I want to have incoming traffic on port X go to this virtual machine. How would I go about doing this?
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02:05<th>perhaps socat can fulfill your need to forward packets
02:05<jm_>OddTod: did you read this
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02:11<OddTod>jm_: Thank you, There is a section under that. That appears to be exactly what i need. I have been looking through the GUI for a while trying to find that but its all CLI
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02:18<jm_>OddTod: yes, GUI can't controll all settings AFAIK
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02:19<OddTod>jm_: AFAIK?
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02:22<dpkg>[afaik] As Far As I Know
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03:06<vook>join #debian-offtopic
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03:12<leocade>hey guys. I'm not sure if it is the nature of debian or if it is what I have set up but when i transfer large files across folders and i try to multi task while this is going on, some applications freeze up for a about a minute
03:12<leocade>is there any way to fix this?
03:12<leocade>im using gnome
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03:31<hackgelo>alguien habla español ?
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04:23<SorryGuest>I'm trying to run a part of a script as a different user, except sudo -u (which is bad considering debian doesn't and shouldn't come with sudo), what can I do?>
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04:25<jmm>use 'su' ?
04:25<jmm>like su user -c script
04:25<jmm>hello btw !
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04:28<SorryGuest>so what's the point in sudo, again?
04:29<jmm>sudo is like next generation su.
04:29<jm_>it offers much more flexibility
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04:29<EmleyMoor>Main use is to grant a user limited superuser access
04:29<jmm>see with 'su' you'll need to type a password.
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04:30<EmleyMoor>(e.g. can reboot/shutdown but not edit confs)
04:30<twb>sudo is more complicated than su
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04:30<twb>security systems should be as simple as possible
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04:32<SorryGuest>sudo requires user password, not root password
04:32<twb>OTOH, sudo will log to syslog by default, and can get get its limited, revocable privilege escalation lists from an LDAP database. Those things are useful for enterprise use.
04:32<twb>SorryGuest: by default it does.
04:32<SorryGuest>isn't that worse?
04:32<twb>SorryGuest: depends on the threat mode
04:32<SorryGuest>you can always do sudo su, in which case...
04:32<twb>For example, some of my systems deliberately don't *have* a root password, so that it's impossible to do things as root.
04:33<twb>You can't *always* do sudo su; a whitelist of commands means that su execution won't be allowed by sudo.
04:33<jmm>sudo -s or sudo -i do the same.
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04:34<twb>jmm: though they require e.g. /bin/sh to be in the whitelist
04:34<jmm>sudo su always silly to me.
04:34<jmm>right twb.
04:34<twb>sudo su is necessary on C4 systems that lack sudo -i, though sudo -H -s is close
04:34<jmm>I use it on some red hat 7.
04:34<twb>To take things further, polkit is an EVEN MORE complex privilege escalation framework than sudo -- it uses DBUS IPC,FFS.
04:35<th>kids these days with their *kits
04:35<tr4sk>How can I delete a crypted LVM from the debian installer ?
04:36<twb>I am >this close< to pinning *kit to -1
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04:36<twb>tr4sk: lvremove?
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04:38<tr4sk>twb, ok, I did'nt know this stuffç
04:38<tr4sk>thx :)
04:38<costas>hello all
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04:39<costas>after upgrading my mouse pointer is invisible, I can only locate it by pressing CTRL, any thoughts are welcome...
04:40<twb>Are you over an xterm?
04:40<twb>Some terminals will hide the mouse pointer while you're typing
04:40<twb>Otherwise maybe check what pointer font you're using? I dunno.
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04:41<costas>it doesn't show the mouse pointer on gnome, mouse works fine though, read about it on debian fora that others have the same problem with new kernel...
04:41<gsimmons>dpkg: nopointer
04:41<dpkg>On systems with the Intel 855GM integrated graphics chipset, a change introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.31 (part of the <6.0.1> point release) renders the mouse pointer invisible in X, see for more information. To workaround, downgrade your linux-image-2.6.32-5-* package to version 2.6.32-30 - available from - or suspend and resume the system.
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04:48<costas>thanks gsimmons
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04:50<SorryGuest>well that was informative, thanks
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04:57<SorryGuest>there's a user nobody
04:57<SorryGuest>su nobody
04:57<SorryGuest>ha ha
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05:00<SorryGuest>more seriously, how do I bind a port under 1024 for non-root users the _right_ way?
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05:02<SorryGuest>wait, lemme google it first..
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06:16<sander_m>Hi all. I'm having some problems with icedove and attachments. I have enabled "view -> display attachments inline" but I don't see any attachments. When I double-click an attachment, I always get a "save/cancel" dialog. No option to immediately open it with some application. When I go to "Edit -> Preferences -> Attachments" the list is empty. There seems no way to add new entries. It is as if Icedove on Squeeze has no file handlers at all. But it all
06:16<sander_m>worked fine on Lenny. How can I fix this?
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06:26<costas>about the nopointer bug...seems if i suspend afterwards it works fine...
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06:28<jm_>costas: that's what the factoid suggests too
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06:32<costas>well, ancient laptop still works fine no need to downgrade for this bug
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07:04<flosas>Mais e nam
07:04<signis>mordi e nam
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07:04<themill>flosas, signis: play elsewhere, please.
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07:05<AgentC>short question: how to disable automatic ACPI monitor standby (5min is setted) ?
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07:07<LucianLuci>I'm wondering if I install debian as my main OS
07:07<LucianLuci>will my wireless driver card work ?
07:07<LucianLuci>I mean, will it have drivers for it?
07:08<babilen>LucianLuci: That really depends on your wireless adaptor. What is it? What are you running now?
07:08<LucianLuci>i have vista :( bcz thats what my laptop was made for
07:08<LucianLuci>pavillion dv9500eo
07:08<LucianLuci>and the card is a broadcom..
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07:09<babilen>LucianLuci: I would be surprised if it doesn't work. You can try the Debian Live CD and come here, so we can give you more details and instructions. We need the *exact* card/chipset to determine what needs to be done.
07:10<babilen>!tell LucianLuci -about broadcom
07:10<LucianLuci>I have ubuntu livecd and it doesnt recognize the hardware.. it says that firmware is missing
07:11<babilen>LucianLuci: You would then need to install the firmware (firmware-brcm80211) if you want to use the brcm80211 driver, but you can also use the wl driver.
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07:12<babilen>!tell LucianLuci -about wl
07:12<LucianLuci>which is supplied with the dsitribution?
07:12<babilen>!tell LucianLuci -about brcm80211
07:12<babilen>LucianLuci: You can easily install them later on or use the semi-unofficial netinstall images with firmware
07:12<babilen>!tell LucianLuci -about firmware images
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07:14<babilen>LucianLuci: There are many ways to provide firmware during the installation, which are covered in the Installation Guide. If you have a working wired connection you can first install Debian (using the netinstall, CD1 or DVD1) and install the firmware afterwards.
07:14<LucianLuci>I have only wireless.. its a broadcom 802.11a/b/g WLAN
07:15<LucianLuci>my question is, can I safely install debian so that I can have wireless connection after so I can take care of the rest of the drivers after or will I be left without internet
07:16<babilen>LucianLuci: Is it WPA*?
07:16<LucianLuci>I don't know what that is :(
07:17<AgentC>babilen: how to disable ACPI monitor standby on squeeze without xwin ?
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07:18<LucianLuci>aha, I will download the firmware and copy it to cd
07:19<babilen>LucianLuci: WPA1 / WPA2 are encryption standards for your wifi. There is also WEP, but the network could also be unencrypted/open. The Debian installer does not support WPA encrypted networks as of now. So I would suggest to install Debian using either the CD1 or DVD1, but those are unfortunately not available with firmware. The section of the installation guide covers how to provide firmware during the installation.
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07:19<babilen>LucianLuci: You typically copy it to some removable medium such as a USB stick.
07:20<babilen>LucianLuci: I can't really tell you more details without knowing exactly which card you have. You said that you have an Ubuntu Live CD. Could you boot it and run "lspci -nn|grep -i network"
07:20<LucianLuci>give me a sec
07:21<babilen>LucianLuci: That should give you something like: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4227] (rev 02)
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07:21<LucianLuci>I will be right back
07:21<babilen>LucianLuci: that is an example from my system. What I need is the [8086:4227] which identifies your device.
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07:21<babilen>LucianLuci: Just give me that number and I can tell you more :)
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07:22<babilen>AgentC: I would have told you if I knew.
07:22<LucianLuci>rebooting now
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07:23<AgentC>babilen: thanx anyway, there are 2 daemons "acpid" and "kacpid", dunno how to config them, maybe it is enough to remove it from processlist temponaery.
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07:29<costas>AgentC, if you mean power management, you can change settings on gnome via System/Preferences/Screensaver/Power management...
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07:29<jm_>or setterm for console
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07:32<babilen>Lucian: Welcome back :)
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07:32<aakef>Hi all. I need a bit help with postinst of a package. I have custom part I need to add myself and another part added by dh_installinit. But as soon as I add debian/postinst or debian/package_name.postinst, dh_installinit does not add its part. Any ideas or at least a pointer to a suitable doku? The new maintainers guide does not give any details for that, as far as I can see.
07:32<Lucian>the result was 0280 Broadcom Corp. BCM4312 802.11 a/b/g [14e4:4312] rev2
07:33<AgentC>costas: does not work correctly, missing elements on GUI formular for standby, there are only settings in case of pressing pwr-button (shutdown, hibernate etc) but not for auto. monitor standby... i just do not want to autoswitch off my monitor...
07:33<babilen>!tell Lucian -about bcm4312
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07:34<themill>aakef: see the section on "install scripts" in debhelper(7).
07:34<gsimmons>babilen: The PCI ID is actually a misidentified BCM4311 (now corrected upstream). It's supported by the b43 driver.
07:34<babilen>Lucian: I am not sure if I should really recommend you to perform this install without wired network, a second computer or somebody that knows Debian or Linux around.
07:34<babilen>gsimmons: I guess it still needs firmware?
07:34<Lucian>hmm :(
07:35<Lucian>then I shall take it to work and install it there :D
07:35<themill>gsimmons: it'd be terrible for broadcom to actually have their pciids match their model numbers, wouldn't it?
07:35<babilen>themill: horrible idea!
07:35<aakef>themill: Thanks a bunch!
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07:36<babilen>!tell Lucian -about bcm4311
07:36<gsimmons>themill: It would be a first.
07:36<Lucian>i mean, why would I want a 100% fully configurable os when i can stick with vista right ?
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07:36<themill>gsimmons: they seem to take some perverse delight in giving it a model number of "4311" and a pciid of "4312". It's like they have some gigantic off-by-one error upstairs.
07:37<babilen>Lucian: I would really perform the install at work, so you can come here and ask during and after the installation.
07:37<Lucian>it's going to be in about 10 to 14 hours when I will return
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07:37*themill makes a note to be offline at that time
07:38<babilen>Lucian: Yeah, no hurry. You might want to read the installation guide beforehand, so you know how the rest of the installation works.
07:38<babilen>!tell Lucian -about ig
07:38<costas>AgentC, using gnome's power management is easy, but have a look here:
07:39<Lucian>I will do that, usually I just pick things on the way :) but only when I have internet \
07:39<gsimmons>themill: Their proprietary driver adds an twist: using the device ID for (incorrect) chipset identification; e.g. BCM4313 is shown as "BCM4727" in the kernel ring buffer.
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07:40<Lucian>see you guys later then
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07:44<mutante>can i use this or something similar: to also see the fixed bugs in the latest updae?
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07:46<mutante>like i am offered upgrades of libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-curl php5-gd etc.. by apt-get upgrade and i want to answer the question "are those security related?" /"what did they fix"?
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07:47<AgentC>costas: i see, didnt solve the prob, but I'll first search myown a little bit more before i ask again. thank you anyway.
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07:47<themill>dpkg: tell mutante about apt-listchanges
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07:47<themill>mutante: you might also like to subscribe to debian-security-announce.
07:48<babilen>Did anybody find out what the "missing mouse pointer" after the 6.0.0 → 6.0.1 upgrade is about? A post to debian-user reports the same problem and claims that it is gone after installing the -30 kernel.
07:48<dpkg>On systems with the Intel 855GM integrated graphics chipset, a change introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.32-31 (part of the <6.0.1> point release) renders the mouse pointer invisible in X, see for more information. To workaround, downgrade your linux-image-2.6.32-5-* package to version 2.6.32-30 - available from - or suspend and resume the system.
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07:48<mutante>thanks themill
07:48<themill>babilen: there are some details in that bug report.
07:48<babilen>marvellous ... why do I even try to talk with other "people" than dpkg :)
07:49<costas>babilen, in my case, I have to suspend the system, and then the pointer is there...
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07:57<diederik>Hi, I have a HP LaserJet 1022 connected to my router via usb and now I want to install the printer driver on my host computer
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07:57<diederik>According to I should use/install the HPLIP framework as CUPS backend
07:58<diederik>What is the best way to install that? Install hplip package or hplip-cups or sth else?
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08:01<hsoub>aakef, halo
08:02<aakef>hello hsoub
08:02<hsoub>real german .?
08:03<hsoub>ok i'm not but just askin
08:03<aakef>hsoub: Why do you ask?
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08:03<hsoub>so i got a question please..
08:04<diederik>_Danilo_: thanks :)
08:04<aakef>Go ahead please :)
08:04<hsoub>m .. you use msf
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08:04<_Danilo_>diederik: you are welcome
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08:06<aakef>hsoub: What is "msf"?
08:07<aakef>Sorry, never heard about it before
08:07<hsoub>ok any one here know it ..
08:07<themill>hsoub: can I guess that you were actually looking for #backtrack-linux on and not #debian?
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08:09<hsoub>but between 498 man no know the biggest ruby project in the world !
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08:10<babilen>hsoub: metasploit is well known
08:11<hsoub>ok great .
08:12<hsoub>here is my question : i'm inside of an internal net ,trying to use the exploit "netapi"
08:12<hsoub>ah and using vm ware
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08:14<babilen>hsoub: That is not supported in here. You might want a metasploit related channel.
08:14<hsoub>ok what you do here ?
08:15<babilen>hsoub: Technical support for Debian users
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08:15<hsoub>babilen, what is your study ?
08:18<diederik>I'm trying to run hp-setup to setup my printer, but I get an error: "Unable to load Qt4 support"
08:18<diederik>But I've installed the hplip-gui package and am running KDE, so I guess I should be fine, but apparently I'm not.
08:19<diederik>do I have to be in some group or sth to run that utility?
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08:21<jm_>diederik: any notes in README.Debian for hplip package?
08:21<juhov>diederik: check that you have python-qt4 installed
08:21<diederik>juhov: python-qt4 is installed.
08:21<diederik>jm_: will check ...
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08:24<juhov>diederik: ok, nothing else comes to mind I'm afraid :I
08:24<diederik>jm_: No README in either hplip package, only changelog and NEWS
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08:24<_Danilo_>diederik: aptitude build-dep hplip
08:26<diederik>_Danilo_: isn't that for if I want to build hplip myself? (and it will install 67 packages)
08:26<jm_>diederik: where does /usr/bin/hp-setup point to for you?
08:27<diederik>jm_: /usr/share/hplib/
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08:30<jm_>diederik: do you also have hplip-gui installed?
08:30<diederik>jm_: yes, that's why I'm surprised about the error msg
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08:31<jm_>diederik: wait, are you running it as user who has access to X server?
08:31<diederik>jm_: yes
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08:32<diederik>I'm trying to start it as follows: $hp-setup <IpaddressOfRouter>
08:33<diederik>Or should I forget about hp-setup and do it through the CUPS interface? (I have done that before)
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08:34<babilen>diederik: I typically just use the cups interface, no idea if hp-setup is actually needed. As long as you have the PPD for your printer it should be fine. (Those are shipped in hpijs-ppds)
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08:38<diederik>babilen: then I'll go that route. I do have a 'special' driver to install and my printer is connected to my router which makes it a bit more difficult
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08:38<jm_>diederik: then I'm out of ideas, sorry
08:39<diederik>jm_: thanks for your thoughts
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08:43<babilen>diederik: What is that special driver? And networked printers are not uncommon :)
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08:45<diederik>And true, but hp-setup <IpAddressOfRouter> didn't work, interactive or not
08:47<babilen>,info foo2zjs
08:47<judd>Package foo2zjs (text, optional) in squeeze/i386: Support for printing to ZjStream-based printers. Version: 20090908dfsg-5.1; Size: 1536.6k; Installed: 4236k; Homepage:
08:47<babilen>diederik: A number of other packages come up when you run "apt-cache search foo2zjs", might be worth a look too
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08:47<diederik>yes, but that site says not to use the debian packages ...
08:48<babilen>diederik: and we say: use the debian packages :)
08:49<diederik>LOL, ok, I'll investigate it
08:49<babilen>diederik: The site doesn't really provide a good reason other than "intimidate user by using red" :)
08:49<diederik>babilen: very true
08:50<babilen>diederik: They might actually have a point, but it would be great if proper bugs were files and everything. Just stating "Don't use package by [list of a bunch of major distributions]" is not helpful at all.
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08:53<diederik>babilen: I think I'll go for the debian package, primarily because that page is referenced in the package description (and is quite up to date)
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08:54<diederik>The procedure from that page isn't hard, but native debian is easier :)
08:55<diederik>and it helped me identify a package to install which failed "make install"
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08:55<diederik>it -> package description
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08:59<SynrG>babilen: it reads like "we gave up on supporting distros because they change stuff, and they always get it wrong." :p
08:59<diederik>hp-check -r is rather informative ...
08:59<SynrG>kind of an arrogant and insensitive attitude
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09:00<diederik>SynrG: or a way to promote the Donate button
09:00<SynrG>i understand there is a cost associated with upstreams working with distros to deliver a good end-user experience ... but it's rather unkind to your users to force them to not interact with their distro to make your software work.
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09:01<SynrG>diederik: ah. that too.
09:01<babilen>SynrG: And do work with the maintainers and incorporate their patches (if applicable) and help them with their work. But well ..
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09:02<SynrG>there was a thread on "hostile upstreams" a while back on -devel. i wonder if these guys came up?
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09:02<SynrG>but i digress :)
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09:02<diederik>the error I got with hp-setup do seem to relate to groups, I'm not in lp or lpadmin
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09:19<benkong2>hey all
09:20<barney_gumbel>hello all :) i have a small question i just setup a debian lenny 5.0 server all work i install postfix and qube mail but i can just send mails not recive mails .. how i can start to find out the error :
09:20<benkong2>in apt preferences pinning what's the difference between n,o and a in Pin release??
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09:21<themill>benkong2: they correspond to different parts of "apt-cache policy" (information comes from the Release file on the mirror)
09:21<benkong2>google and man apt_preferences has not been friendly
09:21<diederik>fixed the group issue, but still can't run hp-setup ...
09:21<diederik>On is the output of hp-check -r
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09:22<diederik>Can someone take a look and help me fix it?
09:22<benkong2>themill: so is there a man page or help that explains?
09:22<diederik>It says 4 errors, but I only see one: no scanimage
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09:24<themill>benkong2: apt_preferences(5) does tell you this, but it helps to know this already prior to reading it.... Pinning is very complicated because it is very powerful; perhaps overly so because people often seem to make a botch of it. You may also like to /msg dpkg pinning
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09:25<benkong2>themill: thanks
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09:25<themill>diederik: it says "4 error and/or warnings" there are 3 other warnings earlier on about scanning tools and a driver devel kit. Should all be safe to ignore.
09:26<ffws>diederik: I see only some missing optional programs, nothing that should your printer prevent from working
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09:26<diederik>themill: that's what I thought too, but it still gives me "error: Unable to load Qt4 support. Is it installed?"
09:26<diederik>when running hp-setup that is
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09:28<themill>diederik: are you running this on a local machine? Did you install hp-setup from the debian packages?
09:29<diederik>themill: yes and yes (through hplip package)
09:29<themill>diederik: you can also run it in "interactive" mode (hp-setup -i) uses a text interface instead
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09:30<diederik>that does 'work' but it can't seem to find my printer
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09:32<diederik>my router doesn't run avahi, so therefor it can't find it (I think)
09:32<diederik>neither the usb or net connection type works, thereby failing in the first step
09:34<AgentC>when i made a backup of a partion by "dd if=/dev/xx of=/fileimage" is it possible to restore it on a partition which might be bigger then the original ?
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09:35<jm_>AgentC: yes, but that doesn't mean your fs will have more space
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09:38<AgentC>jm_: ok , i understand :) it's more save to backup a hole partition then only files in case of bootloaders ....
09:38<AgentC>jm_: thanx
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09:55<diederik>I'm trying to add my printer through the CUPS web interface, but when I click on "Add Printer" nothing happens
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09:55<diederik>Maybe it's relevant, I'm running FF4.0 rc2
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09:59<mutante>diederik: are you sure nothing happens? i thought this too, until i noticed i need to scroll down a whole page :p
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10:00<mutante>diederik: like there is a lot of empty space on that page.. but it continues down there
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10:05<diederik>mutante: I don't see a scrollbar or am able to scroll down.
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10:05<diederik>Does seem to be a FF4 issue, on my laptop (with FF3.6) something does happen
10:06<mutante>diederik: was about to say, try a different browser.. maybe got Epiphany (Gnome Browser)?
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10:08<diederik>I'll just downgrade FF. Weird that 3.6 isn't in the (standard) archives anymore
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10:25<diederik>finally have printing working :P
10:27<mutante>with apt-get upgrade, how do i get exact version information for the packages in addition to "The following packages will be upgraded" and the package names.. before actually saying Y
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10:31<themill>mutante: either by running it in simulation mode or by using aptitude with the "show versions" option enabled or by using apt-listchanges.
10:32<diederik>themill: are you talking about "aptitude versions <pkgname>" or sth else?
10:33<tealc_210>Hi all, did someone have successfully installed rails on squeeze without RVM?
10:33<tealc_210>When I try a "bundle install", I have an error message :
10:33<tealc_210>gem_prelude.rb:79:in `undef_method': undefined method `default_dir' for `Gem' (NameError)
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10:34<mutante>themill: thanks again
10:34<themill>diederik, mutante: "aptitude versions ~U" would work, yes. Or "aptitude --show-versions safe-upgrade". There are a few different ways of doing this.
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10:36<tealc_210>Hi all, did someone have successfully installed rails on squeeze without RVM?
10:36<diederik>themill: thanks, didn't know that one
10:36<mutante>apt-get -s does the job
10:37<tealc_210>When I try a "bundle install", I have an error message :
10:37<tealc_210>gem_prelude.rb:79:in `undef_method': undefined method `default_dir' for `Gem' (NameError)
10:37<themill>dpkg: tell tealc_210 about paste
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11:55<linuxxx>anyone knows how to jailbreak iphone 3g with ios version 4.2.1 on linux?
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11:56<pes502>Zdravím všechny
11:56<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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11:56<pes502>this is english chat only?
11:56<linuxxx>i asked how to do it on linux (debian)
11:56<ml|>pes502: yes
11:57<babilen>pes502: Yes, which language are you looking for?
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11:57<pes502>babilen: CZ :/
11:57<SynrG>linuxxx: rephrase it as a debian query: "can i use debian to jailbreak iphone 3g with ios version 4.2.1" and we might have something.
11:57<SynrG>to which i would respond: haven't a sweet clue
11:57<dpkg>well, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
11:58<linuxxx>SynrG, ok
11:58<pes502>dpkg: thanks a lot
11:58<dpkg>pes502: no worries
11:58<babilen>pes502: Try #debian-cz on (very small channel though)
11:58<linuxxx>can i use debian to jailbreak iphone 3g with ios version 4.2.1???
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11:58<MrFrood>linuxxx: that's better :)
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11:59<babilen>linuxxx: I would recommend to ask for a jailbreaking procedure in #iphone on -- If you need Debian specific help ask in #debian
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11:59<pes502>i not really need Czech channel :D but i want to try using Linux Debian ... now im using WIN 7 ... but i need help :P
12:00<dpkg>A phone made by <Apple> Inc.
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12:00<pes502>and help in my language is better for me than english help :P
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12:00<linuxxx>SynrG, i read it but it tells nothing about jailbreak
12:00<SynrG>linuxxx: that's the sum total of what i have at my disposal to help with iPhone + Debian
12:01<SynrG>i suspect this is something you do that doesn't relate to debian at all (or only so very peripherally that a "jailbreak iphone with debian" page makes no sense)
12:01<babilen>pes502: Do you speak other languages than English or Czech?
12:02<pes502>babilen: no :(
12:02<pes502>PHP :D
12:02<pes502>or binnary maybe ... :D
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12:03<babilen>pes502: I would recommend to read the which is available in Czech as well. If you have any questions ask in here ... We don't mind if you don't speak perfect English. The point is to understand each other.
12:04<babilen>pes502: I refuse to talk PHP. Python, Clojure, C, Haskell or Erlang would be another thing ;)
12:04<MrFrood>pes502: I'm english and I have some of the worse grammer and spelling of anyone posting here :-/
12:05<babilen>pes502: That ^^^^ is true!
12:05<pes502>so I have got first problem :D
12:06<pes502>i want Linux and Windows 7 on one physical HDD ... is it possible?
12:06<muep>pes502: yes
12:06<pes502>and is it good idea? :D
12:06<babilen>it's not a bad idea
12:06<muep>it is a very usual way to have them
12:06<babilen>I don't let windows touch my computer :)
12:06<MrFrood>you need to shink your windows partition to make space for Debian
12:07<babilen>shrink even
12:07<babilen>!dual boot guide
12:07<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
12:07<jhutchins_lt>I dunno, Windows might benefit from shinking
12:07<pes502>uff :D
12:07*MrFrood also can't type despite using computer fo 30 years
12:08*MrFrood thinks using a 23 year old keyboard can't help either
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12:09<pes502>first step is download Debian .... is it free?
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12:09<pes502>i reading tutorial in czech support page :D
12:10<pes502>and i dont understand ... :D omg :D
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12:10<pes502>english better :P
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12:10<babilen>sorry, what?
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12:11<MrFrood>pes502: pay attention to any Yellow boxes
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12:11<pes502>i reading czech support page about "How to get Debian" and i dont understand ... because czech page is confusing ... this is irony :D
12:12<pes502>thanks for links
12:12<pes502>now i donwloading
12:12<MrFrood>pes502: you want either a netinstall or cd1 image
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12:13<babilen>Ah, well you typically download Debian from:
12:14<babilen>pes502: And you want the netinstall if you have a working wired internet connection during the installation (ethernet) or CD1/DVD1 if not.
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12:16<pes502>i must download package for my CPU architecture??
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12:17<babilen>pes502: Yes, I would expect you to want either i386 (32bit) or amd64 (64bit)
12:17<babilen>The choice is yours :)
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12:17<babilen>Ok, how do you connect to the internet?
12:18<pes502>Wi-Fi -> My Router -> Internet :)
12:18<Black_Prince>Then netinst is out ...
12:18<pes502>downloading is ~2,5Mbps
12:19<pes502>and my speed connection is ~16Mbps
12:19<babilen>pes502: In that case I would recommend to download the CD1 or DVD1 of your choice. Do you have another computer you can use to come here during the installation?
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12:19<pes502>yes, i have got another PC (this is my notebook), but i havent got IRC on my second PC :P
12:19<babilen>pes502: That is fine. I just asked because installing over (encrypted) wireless is not yet supported.
12:19<pes502>i must install to it
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12:20<pes502>CD is here =
12:20<babilen>pes502: That is wonderful. I am asking because you might have to download firmware for your wireless card in order to make it work.
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12:20<babilen>pes502: One second please
12:20<pes502>ok, np
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12:21*Black_Prince *coughs*
12:21<Black_Prince>one second has passed :P
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12:21<babilen>Anybody knows the reasons/symptoms that caused the 6.0.1a set of CDs to be generated? Was it just that the DVDs were actually CDs?
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12:22<babilen>Black_Prince: pick nicker! err, nickpicker! ugh, nitpicker!
12:22<gsimmons>babilen: Time to ask the bot again ; /msg dpkg 6.0.1a
12:22<diederik>babilen: you were looking for ?
12:22<Black_Prince>Kill me if I understand what were you trying to tell me
12:22<MrFrood>why not use the cd with non-free firmware included?
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12:23<MrFrood>got to love those yellow boxes
12:23<babilen>gsimmons: ah ... I should just stop talking to people, because you are creating like 10 million factoids a day :)
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12:25<babilen>pes502: Yes, you want the CD1 in that directory. I would also download and place it on a USB stick (if available). You might be asked to provide firmware during the installation.
12:26<babilen>pes502: Ah, you are working from windows now, right?
12:26<pes502>i have got only 160Gb external HDD here ...
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12:26<pes502>yes, i working on Win 7 now
12:26<diederik>babilen: can you just place the tar.gz file on there or do you need to unpack it first?
12:26<babilen>pes502: Ok, don't worry about it then. We can work on that later.
12:27<babilen>diederik: The latter (hence my windows question which could not unpack .tar.gz last time i checked (10 years ago))
12:27<Black_Prince>Firmware needs to be in .tar.gz according to wiki page
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12:28<diederik>babilen: WinZip can unpack tar.gz (iirc)
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12:28<babilen>diederik: ok, great.
12:28<retrospectacus>after you click "remind me later" for the 200th time ;)
12:28<Black_Prince>WinRar too ...
12:29<guillaume>Hi all, I have some trouble with ocfs2, specificaly, the machine reboot when I have i/o disk error...
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12:30<guillaume>Black_Prince: ?
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12:30<Black_Prince>I tought dpkg had some info on it
12:30<jhutchins_lt>guillaume: He was checking to see if the bot knows wtf ocfs2 is.
12:30*babilen eyes gsimmons
12:31<guillaume>jhutchins_lt: ah :) okay !
12:31<Black_Prince>oh well, first time I hear about it
12:31<Black_Prince>OCFS2 is a general-purpose shared-disk cluster file system for Linux capable of providing both high performance and high availability.
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12:32<Black_Prince>Damn, it uses some Oracle Linux 4 ... I guess it isn't even free
12:32<guillaume>Oracle freed it
12:32<guillaume>I gues..
12:32<guillaume>I need to check
12:33<Black_Prince>Debian repository has only ocfs-tools ... Not the kernel nor anything else
12:33<guillaume>In deed
12:34<pes502>-> AFK 10 min
12:34<babilen>,versions ocfs2-tools
12:34<judd>Package ocfs2-tools on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.1-1; squeeze: 1.4.4-3; squeeze-backports: 1.6.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6.3-1; wheezy: 1.6.3-1
12:34<Black_Prince>Have you read user guide or the faq?
12:35<guillaume>Black_Prince: Of course, I modify some kernel parameter like panic_on_oops and all this thing that the documentation said
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12:35<guillaume>I read lots of forum which talk about that...
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12:37<guillaume>And really... it's very strange
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12:38<babilen>guillaume: You might want to file a bug against ocfs2-tools. I have never used it and can't really help with it.
12:38<babilen>guillaume: That way the maintainer might help and the bug is known and can/will get fixed eventually.
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12:39<Black_Prince>Firefox 4.0 is here
12:39<guillaume>because the ocfs2 runs above a multipath (raid level with mdadm), and When I kill a path (without invalidate it, to simulate violent fail), I expected that mdadm handle it and nothing to say for ocfs2 side
12:40<guillaume>In deed, mdadm detects a failed path
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12:40<guillaume>but ocfs2 failed too.. and reboot the machine
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12:41<Black_Prince>Do you have ofcs-tools installed?
12:41<babilen>guillaume: You could check if you can reproduce the error with a newer kernel (say .38)
12:41<guillaume>yep, I need it to setup up a partition with ocfs2 filesystem, I need tools
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12:42<guillaume>babilen: In edde I need to check
12:42<Black_Prince>What version of ocfs-tools do you have installed?
12:43<babilen>Black_Prince: it is ocfs2-tools and I would assume that guillaume has 1.4.4-3 installed which is the current version in stable. Or guillaume ?
12:43<guillaume>ii ocfs2-tools 1.4.4-3
12:43<Black_Prince>There's backported version for 1.6.3
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12:43<guillaume>squeeze-backport ?
12:43<Black_Prince>And I saw 1.6.3 has lots of new features which aren't supported by 1.4.4
12:44<babilen>guillaume: Ok, two things I would try. There is a newer version in squeeze-backports (i.e. 1.6.3) which you can try and you could check a newer kernel.
12:44<Black_Prince>,version ocfs2-tools
12:44<Black_Prince>,versions ocfs2-tools
12:44<judd>Package ocfs2-tools on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.1-1; squeeze: 1.4.4-3; squeeze-backports: 1.6.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1.6.3-1; wheezy: 1.6.3-1
12:44<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
12:45<babilen>guillaume: Given that the error occurs on I/O errors I would rather suspect a problem in the filesystem code in the kernel.
12:45<guillaume>babilen: Okay I will check with the backport version
12:45<jhutchins_lt>Squeeze backports was having key problems earlier today...
12:46<guillaume>babilen: This problem can be linked with the kernel more than the ocfs2-tools version ?
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12:46<jhutchins_lt>Fixed now.
12:46<babilen>guillaume: My gut feeling, yes
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12:46<babilen>guillaume: Shouldn't keep you from trying the backported version though.
12:46<guillaume>babilen: It make sense
12:47<guillaume>Easier to install backported version than a new kernel :)
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12:49<babilen>well, you could just dpkg -i the kernel+linux-base from sid ... Other methods such as using "make-kpkg" to compile your own are more work.
12:50<pes502>im here
12:50<babilen>pes502: Welcome back
12:50<pes502>ok thanks
12:50<pes502>so what now?
12:50<babilen>pes502: Burn the image and start the installation?
12:51<diederik>I just did an aptitude update and to see which pkgs/versions I would get I did the following:
12:51<diederik>aptitude -s safe-upgrade -V
12:51<pes502>how image? firmware.tar this?
12:52<diederik>aptitude -s safe-upgrade --show-versions and aptitude version ~U
12:52<babilen>pes502: No, I was talking about the CD1 ISO you downloaded
12:52<diederik>But now it seems it doesn't want to upgrade mplayer
12:53<pes502>babilen: debian-6.0.1-i386-CD-1.iso 19-Mar-2011 15:02 647M this?
12:53<diederik>Did one of those commands have a side-effect? Or another clue why it won't upgrade the package?
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12:54<pes502>babilen: this i downloading now ... from i can download only 250kbps :(
12:54<babilen>pes502: Ok, then you have to wait for it to finish :)
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12:55<pes502>its too slow for me :D
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12:58<diederik>Problem 'solved': upgraded mplayer needs new version of libgtk2.0-0, which breaks lots of other packages therefor not upgrading yet
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12:59<pes502>is linux better than WIN? why?
13:00<babilen>diederik: Are you using dmm repositories?
13:00<diederik>babilen: yes
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13:00<babilen>diederik: Give it some time to catch up with the point release.
13:00<cahoot>!tell pes502 about why debian
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13:01<diederik>babilen: I'm running sid, so it's not uncommon.
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13:01<pes502>cahoot: thx
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13:07<flower>is this normal when doing aptitude safe-upgrade?
13:07<diederik>how long ago was your previous upgrade?
13:07<themill>flower: what are you trying to upgrade from and to?
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13:08<flower>diederik: hmm 7 - 14 days
13:08<flower>themill: testing > testing
13:08<diederik>hmm, ok. Slow machine?
13:09<diederik>dependency resolution happens every time (afaik), but usually you don't see it unless it finds issues
13:09<themill>flower: you probably need to "full-upgrade" rather than "safe-upgrade".
13:09<diederik>themill: why? what would that change? (I know the diff between safe and full)
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13:10<themill>it will allow aptitude to remove packages as part of the upgrade strategy. That makes a big difference.
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13:10<diederik>safe-upgrade can remove packages as well
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13:11<uin302269>Thank you, developers =)
13:11<diederik>I always use safe-upgrade and rarely full-upgrade
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13:12<diederik>flower: does it get stuck with that screen? or does it continue?
13:12<themill>diederik: safe-upgrade places a higher penalty on removal of packages than full-upgrade. We see this problem fairly often, esp with newer versions of aptitude.
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13:12<diederik>true: wasn't trying to deny that full-upgrade can do things more aggresively
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13:13<flower>full-upgrade works
13:13<MrFrood>does not safe upgrade let you know that there are packages that could be upgraded but were not?
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13:13<themill>MrFrood: it will, but sometimes it will search for a different solution for hours first.
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13:13<pes502>babilen: downloaded ... now im burning it
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13:15<MrFrood>pes502: now is about the right time to start making offerings to the Gods of your choice ;)
13:15<themill>diederik: the aptitude documentation claims that safe-upgrade will only remove packages that are automatically installed to begin with and only if they would become unused. That's quite a different constraint to full-upgrade and a couple of weeks' worth of entropy in testing (we've got some largish transitions going on at the moment) would end up requiring a full-upgrade rather than a safe-upgrade.
13:16<diederik>true. thanks for the extra (background) info :)
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13:41<pes502>babilen: are you here??
13:42<sney>pes502: if it's an installation question then many of us can help
13:43<pes502>sney: i have got LInux on my CD now ...
13:43<pes502>and need help with installation :/
13:44<sney>ok, what's your question
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13:45<pes502>how i can instal linux on my notebook, when i have got WIN 7 here and i want 2 OS :D
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13:48<sney>pes502: you'll need to resize your main windows partition so there's enough room. The installer can do it. can show you most of the steps, if anything is confusing you can ask in here
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13:49<sney>pes502: since you have a CD you can ignore the part about the win32-loader
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14:02<pes502>i dont understand
14:03<sney>read the page I linked, it explains the install
14:03<pes502>so i must download win32-loader at first?
14:03<sney>ignore that part, like I said.
14:03<pes502>and i can install Linux as a normal WIN program?
14:03<sney>just put the cd in, boot from it, and start at the part that says "The Installation Process"
14:03<petemc>you can install ubuntu as a file in windows which can be uninstalled like a normal app
14:04<pes502>i want instal Debian
14:04<diederik>pes502: no, linux is not a WIN program, you'll create a dual boot system
14:04<sney>I don't want to think about the kludge that made that possible, petemc
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14:04<pes502>diederik: i know
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14:05<diederik>put the install CD in your drive and reboot
14:05<diederik>then the installer will start automatically and ask some questions
14:05<pes502>yes ... and HDD will NOT BE FORMATED, ok?
14:05<Black_Prince>We will assist you not to format it
14:06<diederik>one of them will be the partitioning step and there you need to make room for debian
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14:06<diederik>your hdd will not be formatted, but you'll create an extra partition
14:06<sney>pes502: it needs to make your windows partition smaller, and then it will put debian in the extra space.
14:06<pes502>sorry for my idiot asks, but this is my first experience with linux :D
14:06<pes502>i go to IRC in my second PC
14:07<diederik>np, if things are unclear, just ask
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14:12<ballison>i need to extract mysqlbinlog version 3.3 out of mysql5.1. How do I do this? I've currently only got lenny mysql5.0
14:13<ballison>I can not upgrade my mysql version
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14:14<ballison>oh and I need the 32 bit version...
14:15<sney>ballison: I'm not sure I understand. Do you just need a file from inside a package?
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14:17<Black_Prince>is there a way to limit apt bandwidth ?
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14:17<sney>not at the client side, I don't think
14:17<ballison>sney: yes. extract the file out, but i don't even know where to get the package
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14:18<Black_Prince>it downloads at full speed, I am unable to browse through websites
14:18<mobildorn>ballison: You could use a limiting proxy and set up apt to use it.
14:18<sney>ballison: ok, the package can probably be found at, and they can be unpacked into the individual archives with ar (in the 'binutils' package)
14:18<mobildorn>Ah, sorry. I meant Black_Prince
14:18<Black_Prince>Downloading 3.5G of debian packages isn't cool
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14:19<Black_Prince>When you are unable to do other things ...
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14:19<themill>Black_Prince: there's an http::Dl-Limit config option, yes. See /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
14:19<mobildorn>You can unpack deb packages with dpkg-deb.
14:19<mobildorn>Use -x or -e
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14:20<themill>Black_Prince: 3.5GB? what are you downloading?
14:21<Black_Prince>gnome with dependencies and suggests from netinst
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14:22<sney>well, that's not really a repeat occurrence unless you use sid or something
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14:22<Black_Prince>there isn't http::Dl-Limit in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
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14:23<mobildorn>Nothing in my apt.conf manpage either. Maybe it's only available in squeeze and upwards.
14:24<sney>squeeze is the current stable, are you using lenny? I thought you just installed
14:24<sney>or who am I talking to
14:25<mobildorn>I'm still using lenny on most of my systems.
14:25<arinov>how to see bssid of the my wireless network?
14:25<sney>iwconfig interfacename
14:26<rss>Hi all, My grub2 currently misinterprets the root device and boot on the first stanza in 00header. user the wrong set root and wrong searcch line. Only the first set root is wrong all the others are correct anyone have any ideas?
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14:26<Black_Prince>Ok, I got it
14:27<Black_Prince> answer by michallo
14:27<sney>rss: maybe /boot/grub/ is wrong?
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14:28<rss>sney, device map says (hdo) /dev/disk/by-id/[my hd id without partition]
14:29<rss>sney, oops (hd0)
14:29<sney>ok, that sounds right. not sure then
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14:31<rss>sney, that is what throws me. the first stanza goes set root='(hd0,msdos3) instead of set root=
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14:31<rss>sney, that is what throws me. the first stanza goes set root='(hd0,msdos3) instead of set root='(hd0,msdos1)
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14:32<rss>sney, manually editing grub.cfg before reboot i.e. copy set root and search line from later lines works.
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14:32<Seppoz>hello, please what could be the reason that auto completion for normal users doesnt work
14:33<SynrG>rss: read /etc/grub.d/00_header to find out where it gets that stuff?
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14:33<rss>SynrG, have done so it has no hints. the set root and search line are not explicitly mentioned in 00header.
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14:35<pes502>hi, im here
14:35<pes502>now i have got debian boot menu ... whats now?
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14:35<SynrG>rss: but it probably relates to grub-probe
14:36<rss>SynrG, I guess it gets them from the include file with grub functions. My system does boot as the second stanza does load correctly and gets the menu displayed properly only the graphical boot does not. This is a pain as my laptop has a nice 1920x1200 display and the menu displays 640x480 stretched
14:36<rss>SynrG, grub-probe?
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14:37<SynrG>rss: just reading 00_header. $grub_probe maybe?
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14:38<rss>SynrG, what should grub-probe return?
14:39<squidly>does anyone know what a "A" status of a package means? I cant find it anywhere
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14:39<diederik>squidly: Automatically installed
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14:39<squidly>diederik: thanks!
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14:40<squidly>oh wait it's in the Error section.. does it still mean Automatically installed?
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14:41<rss>SynrG, grub-probe as root return JFS for my separate /boot partition it is actually ext2. Any ideas
14:41<SynrG>rss: beats me. i guess it returns whatever device the path is on
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14:41<SynrG>dunno, really. i just was looking at this code for the first time, trying to figure out what it is doing :)
14:41<SynrG>that looked "interesting"
14:42<SynrG>relative to this problem
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14:43<lorenzo_>Hi everybody, I have a problem when I use nano over minicom... I use minicom to connect another pc and the rest of the program work well, just nano is unusable, the lines of the opened files are mixed.
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14:44<rss>SynrG, I was misusing grub-probe. It returns the proper fs if used correctly. This does not explain why the first probe returns the wrong partition/filesystem
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14:47<rss>SynrG, I was misusing grub-probe. It returns the proper fs if used correctly. This does not explain why the first probe returns the wrong partition/filesystem, if that is what is happening
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14:52<flower>is gstreamer-properties in debian?
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14:52<sney>judd: versions gstreamer-properties
14:52<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gstreamer-properties' was found in i386.
14:52<sney>flower: apparently not, though it might have a different name
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14:53<rss>SynrG, I think I am beginning to understand. The 00_header looks for a file in /usr/grub which it finds and correctly interprets as being btrfs. om msdos3 partition. I would prefer to be able to force it to look in the grub directory in my /boot.
14:53<SynrG>rss: well. good luck. i have to head out for errands
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14:53<rss>SynrG, CUL8R
14:54<rss>SynrG, Happy Shopping :)
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14:55<rss>Hi babilen
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14:56<flower> it's part of gnome-media
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14:57<themill>flower: you might like to look at apt-file; /msg dpkg apt-file
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14:58<babilen>rss: (adjust-timezone "good evening")
14:58<rss>babilen, Good evening to you too :)
14:59<pes502>babilen - hi
14:59<pes502>im back
14:59<pes502>now i see Debian boot menu on my notebook, whats next step??
15:00<lorenzo_>Is there a way to use the application konsole and configure for using the serial port instead /bin/bash as normal configured
15:00<petemc>lorenzo_: you can run screen /dev/ttyS0
15:00<petemc>within konsole..
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15:01<lorenzo_>petemc: I have already try, but the terminal don't work well
15:01<petemc>how so?
15:01<rss>babilen, I'm experimenting with btrfs. and since I migrated my /usr partition to btrfs. grub 2 insists on actually looking om the btrfs partition /dev/sda3 instead of /dev/sda1 which is my ext2 boot partition. I can manually fix this by manually editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg but that is a pain. Do you have any ideas?
15:01<retrospectacus>!tell pes502 about ig
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15:02<retrospectacus>pes502: proceed normally, ask here if you have a problem
15:03<lorenzo_>petemc: normally there is written: mypc:~#, but with screen there is only mypc written. When I use nano, the result is a unusable output
15:04<petemc>what is $TERM set to ?
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15:07<diederik>pes502: just start with the first option from the boot menu
15:07<diederik>You can use the other options if you want to make special settings, which you probably won't
15:08<pes502>im in linux at first time :D
15:08<abcd82>pes502: be careful, when reach point when you need to change/modify partitions, if you do something wrong it may end with data loss, other words no more windows 7 + all your data
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15:08<malex>No iceweasel 4.0 packages, yet?
15:08<retrospectacus>,versions iceweasel
15:08<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-5~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-5; sid: 3.5.17-1; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; experimental: 4.0~rc2-2
15:08<diederik>experimental has rc2
15:09<lorenzo_>petemc: I type: screen /dev/ttyUSB0
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15:09<lorenzo_>petemc: the output in this case is only unreadeable chars
15:09<diederik>pes502: do you have a preference wrt GNOME vs KDE?
15:10<petemc>lorenzo_: what are you connecting to ?
15:10<pes502>diederik - i dont know, i never been in linux
15:10<pes502>so i dont know what is it :(
15:10<diederik>Then 'stick' with GNOME which will be installed by default
15:11<diederik>And then you don't have to make a special setting
15:11<lorenzo_>petemc: another debian box where the console is over serial (initab: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 38400 vt100
15:11<pes502>ok and KDE?
15:12<diederik>For KDE you do need to change a setting. Most ppl here probably use GNOME, so it's probably better to stick with that
15:12<lorenzo_>petemc: the baudrate of screen, how can I configure? With setserial?
15:12<petemc>just append the speed to the command
15:12<pes502>ok so you recommended GNOME for me?
15:13<petemc>screen /dev/ttyUSB0 38400
15:13<pes502>now im in step with network hardware
15:13<pes502>and here is problem (?)
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15:13<diederik>did you put the tar.gz file on a stick?
15:13<pes502>i havent got stick here :/ can i use external HDD??
15:13<diederik>(the one with the firmware)
15:14<sney>external hdd is fine
15:14<pes502>ok so please can you send me link with .gz file again? :D
15:14<pes502>i have got it in notebook, where i installing linux :D
15:14<pes502>my mistake :(
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15:15<retrospectacus>!installer firmware
15:15<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
15:16<diederik>pes502: you use i386?
15:16<babilen>Please note that the firmware.tar.gz does *not* contain the firmware-brcm80211 package needed. I would recommend to download the firmware.tar.gz and the firmware-brcm80211 package.
15:17<malex>retrospectacus: thanks
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15:18<babilen>pes502: Please download *both* the firmware.tar.gz *and* the firmware-brcm80211 package from the URLs I just mentioned and place them on your HDD
15:18<retrospectacus>malex, np
15:18<babilen>pes502: You can download the package by clicking on the "all" link at the bottom of the page. You'll then have to select a mirror from which you want to download it.
15:19<lorenzo_>petemc: $TERM is linux, and nano work better then over minicom. I still have small problem, I use screen in a yakuake and the "window" of nano take just the half of my console. Might be some problem with the buffer size of screen?
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15:20<pes502>.tar.gz and second file bcrm80211.... whats now?
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15:21<petemc>lorenzo_: i dont know what yakuake is, sorry - do other apps like top use the full screen?
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15:21<pes502>add missing firmware form removeable device -> YES ??
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15:22<babilen>pes502: copy both files to your HDD, plug it into the machine on which you are installing Debian and select "Yes"
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15:23<pes502>selected .... and ... blue screen ... and .... the question problem is here again :/
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15:24<pes502>what now??
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15:25<pes502>mising files: iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode and iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode
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15:26<sney>oh so it's not broadcom, it's intel wifi
15:26<lorenzo_>petemc: I have tryed with the terminal (tty1 and the result is exactly the same, only 1/4 of the display is used
15:26<sney>so babilen was wrong, and you need firmware-iwlwifi
15:27<pes502>sney - ok, and where can get it?
15:27<rss>pes502, same place as the brcm
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15:28<babilen>the firmware-iwlwifi package is in the firmware.tar.gz package fwiw
15:28*babilen goes back to work, have fun!
15:28<lorenzo_>petemc: only 24 lines are used
15:28<pes502>firmware-iwlwifi (0.28) [non-free]
15:28<pes502> Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards
15:28<sney>pes502: yes
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15:29<rss>babilen, have fun working
15:29<petemc>lorenzo_: for all apps? and not just inside of screen?
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15:29<lorenzo_>petemc: Yes for all
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15:30<pes502>copied to external HDD but the problem is here again :/
15:30<pes502>what now?
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15:30<lorenzo_>petemc: with ls -la / I see scrol the lines, but my view is of 24 lines and half screen for the colums
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15:31<sney>pes502: I'm not sure, sorry. when I do an install on a computer that requires firmware, I use the firmware-6.0.0 installer
15:31<pes502>i cant use it too?
15:32<lorenzo_>petemc: Might be some parameters in inttab?
15:32<sney>you can, you just need to download again
15:32<petemc>lorenzo_: stty -a
15:32<rss>Going to get some food an more beer. See you all later
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15:32<pes502>sney - where, how??
15:32<Guest1805>Anyone know when iceweasle 4 will hit?
15:33<sney>Guest1805: it's already in experimental. it won't be included in Squeeze main but someone will probably backport it once it passes through unstable
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15:33<lorenzo_>petemc: speed 38400 baud; rows 0; colums 0; line = 0; [cut[
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15:34<pes502>hm ... :/ 200 Mb ... can i install this firmware later??
15:34<babilen>pes502: No, you can't use it because you would need a working network connection during the installation with that image. You can safely skip the firmware part as it is easy to add it later. You are sure that the external HDD is plugged in and the files have been copied there?
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15:34<Guest1805>Thanks sney
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15:35<pes502>babilen - yes, files is in external HDD ... i going to look for stick :)
15:35<sney>Guest1805: as for when... that'll be when it's ready
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15:35<sney>pes502: if you are not using wireless to install, you don't need firmware now, and it's easier later. just move on to the next step
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15:37<pes502>ok, i must skip this step :/
15:37<pes502>i havent got USB stick here :((
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15:37<sney>it's ok, you can do it later
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15:39<pes502>now i must chose my network
15:40<sney>you can skip
15:40<pes502>no i cant
15:40<pes502>i must chose or going to back step
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15:41<sney>ok, you can let it try to detect, and when it fails, you can continue without network
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15:41<babilen>pes502: Just to make sure: You really have no way to connect to the wired network? (Plug a cable into your router and laptop)
15:42<babilen>I know I asked that before, just want to be 100% sure
15:42<pes502>babilen - no i havent got cable here ... only wifi
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15:42<pes502>so what now?
15:42<pes502>continue on break install process?
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15:43<pes502>now i must insert ESSID for wlan0 because searching is failed :/
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15:46<sney>pes502: can you go back in the install to before Detect Network Hardware, and turn off your wifi? (switch)
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15:47<pes502>im in Main menu of Debian installation and here I can chose step, what i want edit
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15:48<fnmueller>hi, how can I rename all chars 'a' within a filename by 'b'? I want to do that on CLI recursivly
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15:49<pes502>sney - i cant go back before detect network HW :(
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15:50<lorenzo_>petemc: if i connect with screen /dev/ttyUSB0 38400 and the first thing i do is ls / the all the lines are used but the columns are not all used. As soon as i use nano only 24 lines are used
15:52<Black_Prince>For backing up /home/username, is it enough to login as root from console and do 'tar cf username.tar /home/username'
15:52<babilen>pes502: What are your options now?
15:53<Black_Prince>I know I'll have to chown them later, but will folders and files keep current permissions?
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15:54<pes502>babilen - i must choice between ethO or wlan0 ... when i chose wlan0 i must write ESSID
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15:54<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: as per man tar, doing it as root will preserver ownership and perms.
15:54<babilen>pes502: choose eth0, let it timeout and skip the step
15:55<babilen>pes502: Sorry if this is a bit confusing :)
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15:55<Black_Prince>Excelent ... Now just one more question. How do I backup a list of installed packages and restore them after reinstallation. Something like dpkg --set-selections and dpkg --get-selections
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15:56<pes502>babilen - ok, i clicked to eth0 ... please wait a minute, i must reboot
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15:56*babilen wonders why that is necessary
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15:57<ompaul>Black_Prince: tar cvf pkg-backup.tar /var/cache/apt/archives/
15:57<Black_Prince>a list of installed packages
15:57<Black_Prince>I must have expressed myself wrong
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15:58<pes502>im back
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15:59<retrospectacus>!debian clone
15:59<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>.
15:59<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: ^^
15:59<ompaul>Black_Prince: dpkg -l > installed_packages.txt (very krass but some sed or awk or cut etc)
15:59<retrospectacus>found it ;)
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15:59<Black_Prince>Yeah, that's what I wanted ... Thanks retrospectacus
15:59<ompaul>retrospectacus: noted ;-)
16:00<retrospectacus>listvals ftw
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16:01<pes502>babilen: now im in step with configuration network ... skip? or try automatic setting again?
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16:01<Black_Prince>Does any of you use vlc?
16:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:07<babilen>pes502: skip it
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16:09<MrFrood>Black_Prince: yes, what's the issue
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16:09<eier>is it possible to scan a for computers instead of wireless access points?
16:10<retrospectacus>eier: you may have missed an important word in your question
16:10<Black_Prince>Whatever video mode I select, I cannot play any movie in VLC
16:10<pes502>babilen - now im in step with "disk split"
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16:11<towo`>Black_Prince, "i can not" is not a bugreport
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16:11<pes502>babilen - assisted - use all HDD, assisted - use all HDD and set LVM, assisted - use all HDD and set encrypted LVM and manual
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16:11<MrFrood>Black_Prince: just works here, watching al jazeera on vlc as I type
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16:12<Black_Prince>X11 video: swscale scale error: could not init SwScaler and/or allocate memory , framebuffer video: fb generic error: cannot get terminal mode (Invalid argument) and xvideo: swscale scale error: could not init SwScaler and/or allocate memory ... debian squeeze, xserver 1.7.3, xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.13.0 revision 6
16:12<Br_University>Hi Peoples.
16:13<Black_Prince>I get image with GLX driver, but it is not as it should be ...
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16:13<MrFrood>Br_University: yeah I get stuff like that but it works (and pastebin)
16:14<MrFrood>opps that was for Black_Prince
16:14<Black_Prince>xserver 1.7.7* my bad
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16:14<Br_University>I have a question, anyone can help me?
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16:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:15<Br_University>My arch is i686, i wanna a debian for desktop, what's version i should download?
16:15<pes502>babilen: ?
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16:15<Black_Prince>strange thing is, mplayer can play anything with x11 output switch, but vlc can't
16:17<Black_Prince>,versions libreoffice
16:17<judd>Package libreoffice on i386 -- sid: 1:3.3.1-1; wheezy: 1:3.3.1-1
16:17<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Which is why I always install mplayer and remove all the other cruft.
16:17<oxan>Br_University: i386 or if you've a 64-bit computer (pretty common these days) amd64 (which also runs on intel...)
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16:17<Black_Prince>Still not in squeeze-backports
16:17<fnmueller>the command find .\( \! -iname "*\.mp3" \! -iname "*\.MP3" -type f \) -print | rename -n a b *.mp3 returns syntax error at (eval 1) line 1, near ".". What am I doing wrong?
16:18<Black_Prince>mplayer can play them too, but video is slow when playing mkv
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16:18<Black_Prince>err totem, not mplayer
16:18<MrFrood>Black_Prince: -work for me
16:18<Br_University>Thanks. here is 32 bits
16:19<Br_University>I should download a version for cd-r then?
16:19<pes502>sney: are you here??
16:19<oxan>Br_University: yes
16:20<Br_University>have any version with less than 600mb for desktop?
16:21<Black_Prince>Err, I have problem with .avi, .mkv and .flv files, not with online streams and so
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16:21<oxan>Br_University: you can just pick the netinst, it'll download everything you need during installation
16:22<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: libre released their first stable version in January, it's going to take time to go through the Debian approval process.
16:22<MrFrood>Black_Prince: I thought a known working thingy would help you test your vlc install
16:22<Br_University>i saw... but i wanna a simple version without add downloads during instalation
16:22<pes502>anybody can help me with installation process please?? :(
16:22<Black_Prince>Ah ... Will try
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16:23<jhutchins_lt>pes502: Ask your question.
16:23<Br_University>how the slax or dsl
16:23<oxan>Br_University: well, then you can choose the Gnome or KDE version, but be aware that there'll always be downloading during the installation as a full instalation doesn't fit on a single CD
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16:23<pes502>im installing Debian now and im in step with "disk split" ... now i have got windows 7 with my data in my HDD and i want to 2 OS in my HDD :/
16:23<pes502>no format
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16:24<jhutchins_lt>pes502: You have to shrink the w7 partition and add at least one linux partition.
16:24<retrospectacus>pes502, didn't you re-partition your disk earlier?
16:24<Black_Prince>MrFood, still the same - except for first two I get this error: main stream error: cannot pre fill buffer
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16:24<Black_Prince>jhutchins_lt, I saw on facebook that libreoffice is in testing, backports for squeeze are comming
16:25<Black_Prince>So I was just checking
16:25<pes502>no i never re-partition my HDD
16:25<pes502>i have got only 1 section with win 7
16:26<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Excellent progress.
16:26<Br_University>thanks for answer oxan, maybe the debian don't be my better choice
16:27<abcd82>never tried guided repartitioning, it offers resize in guided mode? if yes than this probably is best option for pes502
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16:28<oxan>Br_University: well, I don't think you can find any distribution that fits a full desktop installation onto a single CD?
16:28<pes502>i can chose this options: assisted - use all HDD, assisted - use all HDD and set LVM, assisted - use all HDD and set encrypted LVM and manual
16:29<MrFrood>Black_Prince: have you tried a reinstall incase the configs got messed up?
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16:29<Black_Prince>MrFood I installed it half hour ago
16:29<Black_Prince>And didn't touch anything
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16:30<Black_Prince>I can delete these
16:30<pes502>please help me?
16:31<Br_University>actually i saw the peppermint, it sems great, but is a google apology
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16:31<MrFrood>pes502: no - you do not want to use all of your hdd
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16:32<Black_Prince>Err, that's odd
16:32<Black_Prince>It works now :o
16:32<pes502>MrFrood: oh ... so i cant re-partition now, ok? ... i must break installation process now? ok?
16:33<Black_Prince>this did the trick ... find . | grep vlc | xargs rm -rf
16:33<abcd82>question about cloning debian system. "... dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade ....." but does this method don't end as all libs,dependency packages etc being marked as installed manually?
16:33<MrFrood>pes502: you should be able to set up partitions from within the installer
16:34<pes502>MrFrood - how??
16:34<pes502>MrFrood - this is my first time with Linux :D i dont know nothing :D
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16:34<MrFrood>Black_Prince: no idea on the deleting but some of those sounded impotent
16:35<Black_Prince>I don't remember changing anything, just changed video output adapter
16:35<Black_Prince>Switched all of them, none gave me output
16:35<Black_Prince>But after removing those files, all is ok
16:36<Black_Prince>Now I do not know should I be proud or scared as hell
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16:36<MrFrood>long as it works Black_Prince
16:37<pes502>how can i break installation proccess please??
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16:37<MrFrood>pes502: have a read and come back with any questions
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16:37<pes502>so please tell me, how can i break install :P
16:38<Black_Prince>pull out power cable?
16:38<Black_Prince>just kidding ... Just click "back" untill you are at main menu, then click abort installation
16:38<pes502>i have got notebook :D cable is no problem for me
16:39<MrFrood>not sure - I'd just power off but I'm sure that's not the approved way
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16:39<pes502>i gonna to study Linux manuals :D:D
16:39<Black_Prince>and don't forget to remove install cd, or you will just restart installer
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16:39<pes502>yes i removed it
16:39<pes502>now booting my OS - WIn7
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16:44<Black_Prince>Someone said that Firefox(Iceweasel) 4 is buggy and unstable ... I tried it and it runs perfectly ...
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16:45<sney>ff4 just hit the end of a development cycle, so not long ago they were probably right
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16:45<MrFrood>Black_Prince: It does NOT do Gopher
16:45<Black_Prince>That was two day ago
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16:46<sret>im on my debian machine for more than 3 months now
16:46<sret>fucking rock solid
16:46<MrFrood>major fail in my book
16:46<sret>uptime of 3months +
16:46<MrFrood>no gopher :(
16:46<sney>do you still use gopher?
16:46<Black_Prince>Today I recieved mail from mozilla saying that ff4 is out ... So I tried squeeze backport of iceweasel 4 from
16:46<Black_Prince>So far so good
16:46<sret>MrFrood: btw
16:47<MrFrood>dosent everybody?
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16:47<sret>the command was who_am_i
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16:47<sney>also, I bet gopher support could be patched back in
16:48<MrFrood>Black_Prince: the overbite addon restore gopher functionality to ff4
16:48<sney>it's probably just kept out of the official build
16:48<sney>or that ^
16:48<Black_Prince>What's gopher?
16:48<ompaul>if only there was a way to search the internet
16:48*MrFrood shakes head
16:49<MrFrood>ompaul: you mean like veronica ;)
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16:49<ompaul>MrFrood: ;-) yeap
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16:49<sney>old people!
16:49<Black_Prince>Damn, now I see how gnome is lightweight on squeeze
16:50<MrFrood>Black_Prince: it's a networked file system, simliar in someways to the www and ftp but better than either :)
16:50<Black_Prince>Skype, VLC, Rhythmbox, Xchat, aMSN, Iceweasel4 + Full gnome ... only 350MB of ram
16:50<ompaul>sney: kids ...
16:50<ompaul>Black_Prince: that is not all gnome - that is better kernel management of the free space
16:50<sney>one of the technologies of the early internet. something I never used because I was on aol at the time
16:51<ompaul>the internet? ;-)
16:51<Black_Prince>I had such usage on Ubuntu Xfce 10.04 with half less apps running :O
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16:51<MrFrood>gopher still going with new servers and active development of both clients and servers
16:52<MrFrood>Overbite is ag good example, bringing gopher to chrome/chromium and FF4
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16:53<MrFrood>but gettin off-topic so I'll be in off-topic
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16:54<Black_Prince>Err, I have 2 encrypted volumes ... for / and swap ... But they appear in gnome menu as Unknown Volume, and when I click on them it says 'unable to open' ... How to remove those from menu?
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16:56<abcd82>no one knows? ^^ 22:33
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16:58<babilen>abcd82: which timezone? and what is your question?
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16:58<abcd82>question about cloning debian system. "... dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade ....." but does this method don't end as all libs,dependency packages etc being marked as installed manually?
16:58<Black_Prince>What clock is 35 minutes ahead? :O
16:59<babilen>!tell abcd82 -about aptitude clone
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17:00<babilen>abcd82: If you use the way dpkg just told you about you keep the automatically/manually installed states
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17:03<abcd82>yes, thanks babilen, this is much better approach, i was reading from "debian clone" factoid and i did not liked that method :)
17:03<newbie>hey I have been having a problem with the package sources
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17:03<lexi>I can't seem to get the debian gui to add sources
17:03<lexi>from ireland
17:03<lexi>new install
17:04<lexi>no idea why it isn't working
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17:04<lexi>I click on a checkbox to add main/non free etc
17:04<lexi>and it won't check
17:04<lexi>and I tried to change the server to ireland with the drop down
17:04<lexi>but it just ignores the change
17:04<lexi>and goes back to main server
17:04<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
17:04<lexi>also there is a load of packages missing from the package manager
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17:05<babilen>lexi: You run this as your normal user?
17:05<retrospectacus>normal user cannot update system sources lists
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17:06<babilen>lexi: Are we talking about synaptic?
17:06<lexi>yes but I have to type in the root password to open up that program
17:06<retrospectacus>should work then
17:06<lexi>like I'm using gnome, and I click on system -> administration -> software sources
17:06<dpkg>A highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that will never have broken packages or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> <apticron>.
17:08<babilen>lexi: Hm, I am not sure what that actually starts. I am doing all these things on the command line and am not well versed with the GUI tools. Can you figure out which program is started when you do that? Some "Help → About" dialogue?
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17:09<babilen>Black_Prince: I don't see the connection to the problem we are trying to solve here. If this was just for you consider messageing the bot directly: /msg dpkg cron-apt
17:09<Black_Prince>Yes, I forgot that ...
17:09<Black_Prince>I was looking for auto updater
17:09<ompaul>lexi: it should look like this:
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17:09<retrospectacus>babilen: it's "/usr/bin/software-properties-gtk"
17:09<ompaul>lexi: obvious (or maybe not) that is for the version squeeze
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17:12<babilen>lexi: There are a couple of package managers you can use. I would either recommend to use "aptitude" on the command line or "synaptic" which is a GUI program. You probably have it in your program meny somewhere if it is installed. If you could run "dpkg -l synaptic|tail -n1" and paste the result in here we would know.
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17:14<lexi>ok I did that and now all the checkboxes are ticked in the software sources but I'm not seeing all the packages I did on my other install
17:14<lexi>I had to wipe over the last install becuase it was 64bit.. and this machine also works with 32bit.. but not very well
17:14<Black_Prince>you need to reload your package cache
17:15<lexi>ok and how do I do that?
17:15<lexi>I typed apt-get update
17:15<lexi>doesn't that do that?
17:15<Black_Prince>Yes, that's the right way
17:16<lexi>ok working now thanks
17:16<babilen>lexi: /me would recommend aptitude, but "apt-get update" works fine. Are you using synaptic now or are you working on the command line?
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17:16<lexi>Software center
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17:17<Black_Prince>When speaking of synaptic, has anyone had problem when starting it. I had one which said 'Cannot execute child proccess /usr/bin/su-to-root' ... su-to-root is part of menu package, which is suggested dependency of synaptic, which is strange
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17:27<MrFrood>Black_Prince: that bug has been mentioned before
17:28<Black_Prince>I sent maint-only report ... But never got reply ... And still menu is suggested
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17:33<MrFrood>Black_Prince: do it the proper way and use the command line ;)
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17:34<Black_Prince>Me too, but I like to have things that work
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17:39<MrFrood>Black_Prince: uninstall it and your things will work ...
17:39<Black_Prince>That's the easiest solution
17:39<Black_Prince>I like doin' it the hard way :P
17:40<MrFrood>Black_Prince: so install Debian hurd
17:40<Black_Prince>Not that hard ...
17:40*MrFrood giggles
17:40<Black_Prince>Broadcom cards still have some issues with Linux kernel (Since they use non-free firmware) ... I guess it will be hard as hell to configure it on HURD
17:41<Black_Prince>Debian's Linux Kernel ... not Linux in general
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18:09<abcd82>with what i can get similar output to "aptitude search ~i~o -F %p" to packages i'm going to install? to explain, something like "aptitude install kde-core -s -F %p", but -F option only works with aptitude search, so this don't work
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18:12<babilen>abcd82: I don't think that is supported out of the box. Why do you need it?
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18:14<Lethalman>abcd82, reduce output format to only package names then use xargs
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18:15<babilen>Lethalman: I understood abcd82's question as: "How to reduce the output format to only package names" (paraphrased), so what do you mean?
18:15<Jerimiah>Is it possible to run an internet install of Debian by booting from a flash drive?
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18:16<babilen>Jerimiah: yes, sure
18:16<babilen>!tell Jerimiah -about usb install
18:16<Lethalman>babilen, aptitude search ~i~o -F %p|xargs aptitude install
18:16<abcd82>babilen: to make list, which later i can pipe to aptitude purge, and be sore that all is gone :) also when installing build-deps, there is no easy way to remove them
18:17<Lethalman>abcd82, , aptitude search ~i~o -F %p|xargs aptitude install
18:17<abcd82>sure not sore
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18:17<babilen>Lethalman: That does not do what abcd82 want (and wouldn't be a good idea anyway)
18:18<Lethalman>ah well aptitude purge
18:18<babilen>abcd82: Ok, I understand your need. You are aware of the logs? But I'll think about it ...
18:18<Lethalman>babilen, it will ask for confirmation, so...
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18:18<babilen>Lethalman: That would purge all obsolete packages ..
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18:19<abcd82>i want to make a list of packages which will be installed before actually installing them
18:19<babilen>Lethalman: And you could just run "aptitude purge ~o"
18:19<Black_Prince>apt-cache search gnome | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get install
18:19<Jerimiah>babilen - Ah alright, so I can just write any ISO image to the flash drive?
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18:20<Lethalman>babilen, oh didn't know that, pretty
18:20<Jerimiah>I found one that said it was specifically for booting from a usb drive but it wouldn't let me do net install, it kept asking for the installation image
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18:21<Black_Prince>Jerimiah, you want to boot netinst off usb stick?
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18:22<Jerimiah>Black_Prince - yeah
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18:23<Black_Prince>Just do 'cat /path/to/image.iso > /path/to/device'
18:23<Black_Prince>eg 'cat /home/youruser/debian-6.0.1-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb1'
18:23<dvs>Black_Prince: no, /dev/sdb
18:23<babilen>important that ^^^^
18:23<Jerimiah>I'm on Windows right now, not linux
18:23<dvs>tru dat
18:24<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. See also <usb install>.
18:24<Jerimiah>I know how to write an image to the drive, I just don't know which one I need to do the netinst
18:24<Black_Prince>Try using unetbootin
18:25<babilen>Jerimiah: The factoid dpkg send you contains a link to a windows program that can be used to write the images to the usb stick. I would also put the firmware package on the second partition. (That is explained in the installation guide)
18:25<babilen>Jerimiah: No, just use the lines win32-image-writer to write the image.
18:25<Black_Prince>!tell Jermiah -about unetbootin
18:25<Black_Prince>!tell Jermiah -about usb install
18:26<cthuluh> !tell Black_Prince about TAB completion
18:26<Jerimiah>lol >.<
18:26<abcd82>Black_Prince: no this in what i'm after, the end result would be same as "aptitude search ~i~o -F %p > packages.log", so file which will contain list of packages, but in this case same list.log but to packages which will be installed, before actually installing them
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18:27<Jerimiah>I've used UNetBootin before, it didn't occur to me to use it to get the netinst image
18:27<babilen>Jerimiah: did you not get the private message from dpkg earlier?
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18:28<Jerimiah>I got the very first one, it doesn't say anything about unetbootin though
18:28<Black_Prince>List of packages in a file?
18:28<babilen>Jerimiah: I am not talking about unetbootin.
18:28<Jerimiah>Black_Prince did though, and it looks like it's going to work
18:29<abcd82>analog to "aptitude install kde-core -s -F %p > packages.log ", but F parameter don't work with install, only with aptitude search
18:29<Jerimiah>I spent the better part of an hour browsing around on the Debian website, and nowhere does it say "Use this image to run a netinst off of a USB drive"
18:29<babilen>Jerimiah: I am talking about writing the image to the stick with the linked tool, downloading the firmware package ( and placing that on the second partition of the thereby created stick
18:30<Jerimiah>I know how to write an image to a usb drive! All I was asking was which image do I need to download?
18:30<Jerimiah>Black_Price has answered that for me
18:30<Jerimiah>Or rather, he provided me with a solution
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18:32<mmgc84_ni>DebConf 12 will be held in Managua, Nicaragua!
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18:39<Jerimiah>Thanks Black_Prince, debian is now installing :)
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18:53<dani>Firefox 4... how do i install it?
18:53<dani>its a .tar.bz2 package
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18:53<mobildorn>Just decompress it to /usr/local?
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18:54<dani>and then what?
18:54<Black_Prince>dani install iceweasel 4 from debian repositories
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19:16<reklipz>I have an application that depends on, and I'm running Debian Squeeze. How can I get libmotif3 for Squeeze?
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19:18<reklipz>I tried symlinking to, and the application appeared to run. However, I didn't get to a point in the application that would have used
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19:20<sney>reklipz: any chance it could build with libmotif4?
19:20<abrotman>does he have the source?
19:20<reklipz>I don't have the source to build it.
19:20<sney>ah, figures
19:21<reklipz>Commercial software FTW...
19:21<sney>well, if you can find libmotif3 in the wild, maybe you could build that
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19:21<reklipz>I'm trying a different version, two major versions ahead, perhaps they use libmotif4
19:22<abrotman>does it run or not ?
19:22<reklipz>What do you mean?
19:22<abrotman>you said it appears to run
19:22<reklipz>I didn't setup the licensing yet, so the app immediately exits
19:22<reklipz>but it runs: outputs to stdout
19:22<reklipz>it exits successfulyl
19:23<abrotman>is there a problem then ?
19:23<reklipz>I don't know... I would think it, if the loader was able to load with Xm 4
19:23<sney>is motif ugly or what
19:23<reklipz>but, there could be API changes
19:23<abrotman>there could be any number of changes .. try settting up the licensing and see if it works before you keep asking us :)
19:24<reklipz>I'm willing to assume it won't work.
19:24<reklipz>But, nonetheless.
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19:25<sney> well, there's the source over in the right column
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19:25<abrotman>reklipz: i've had apps like that work perfectly fine
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19:43<retrospectacus>craven: hello!
19:43<craven>anybody can help me please?
19:43<craven>retrospectacus, hello, how are u?
19:43<retrospectacus>craven: probably. Ask your question
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19:44<craven>ok i'll tell you my question
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19:45<retrospectacus>craven: good question
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19:59<reklipz>Has anyone ever used cdrdao?
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20:04<retrospectacus>reklipz: yes
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20:05<reklipz>retrospectacus: I'm trying to burn a cue/bin of a DVD, and it's reporting that my DVD capacity is not what it should be.
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20:10<reklipz>Meh, time to use windows.
20:11<retrospectacus>reklipz: sorry I've never used that program.
20:11<reklipz>Lucky you.
20:11<dodddummy>i made a dvd image with devede. went to burn it to disk and was told the image was too big. so i ran it through k9copy :)
20:13<babilen>reklipz: try growisofs
20:13<abcd82>wodim don't work?
20:13<reklipz>babilen: I had seen that referred to somewhere
20:13<reklipz>babilen: how would I burn a .cue/.bin with it?
20:13<reklipz>just specify the .bin as the only data file, after starting a session?
20:14<retrospectacus>reklipz: I've only used "brasero" - works fine
20:14<babilen>reklipz: "man growisofs" ;) -- growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso
20:14<reklipz>when I use brasero, it says my blank dvd capacity is too small
20:14<reklipz>babilen: I don't have an iso
20:14<reklipz>I realize I can "make" an iso from it...
20:15<retrospectacus>reklipz: how big is the .bin file? maybe it is too big - intended for Dual-layer DVD
20:15<reklipz>retrospectacus: I don't believe it is.
20:15<reklipz>retrospectacus: I believe it is my drive/disk not reporting the proper size
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20:16<reklipz>when I use --overburn with cdrdao, it says my device doesn't support any cue formats
20:16<reklipz>when I use the generic-mmc-raw driver with cdrdao, it complains about my cue file
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20:17<reklipz>Total Capacity : 35:03:64 (157789 blocks, 308/353 MB)
20:17<reklipz>CD-R medium : 255:164:128: unknown vendor ID
20:17<retrospectacus>ah hmmm that def. looks way too small
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20:21<reklipz>should have just made an iso...
20:22<reklipz>I tried mounting the iso with loop device, but a certain file always fails with I/O error
20:22<reklipz>(after I created an iso from the .bin/.cue)
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20:22<abcd82>you can convert easily with ccd2iso infile.bin outfile.iso
20:23<reklipz>so, this .bin is a clonecd fileformat?
20:23<abcd82>not sure, but it ccd2iso supports it
20:23<reklipz>I used bchunk
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20:24<reklipz>but still, I had the problem reading the single fime
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20:25<reklipz>it _is_ an ISO
20:25<reklipz>I can mount the .bin with mount -o loop ...
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20:26<reklipz>yay! it's working now
20:26<reklipz>how odd...
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20:27<reklipz>Thank you for your help.
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20:37<bachinchi>Hi, I just recently installed squeezy (6.0.1kde) and nepomuk is asking me to install the virtuoso-server
20:37<bachinchi>which package should I install?
20:37*babilen ♥ squeezy
20:38<dvs>not wheezy?
20:38<babilen>bachinchi: Hmm, would "virtuoso-server" be an option?
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20:38<babilen>dvs: squeezy is the bastard child of wheezy and squeeze
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20:39<dvs>babilen: oh?
20:39<bachinchi>look a the output of "aptitude search virtuoso"
20:39<bachinchi>I don't know which one to install
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20:42<babilen>bachinchi: you could try "virtuoso-minimal" or "virtuoso-opensource" -- Where exactly is nepomuk asking you? And what does nepomuk say exactly?
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20:45<bachinchi>babilen: Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDFserver to store its data. Installing the Virtuoso Soprano
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20:47<bachinchi>It worked
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20:48<babilen>I am under the impression that this should have been installed automatically as a dependency though.
20:49<bachinchi>Yeah, that was odd
20:49<bachinchi>this is a fresh install
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20:53<bachinchi>btw, I was reeding some blog post stating that vlc phonon backend is better than xine
20:53<bachinchi>is that true?
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21:07<abrotman>try it and see ?
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21:08<bachinchi>Indeed I already tried and for me there is no difference
21:09<bachinchi>I'm just asking for an opinion about it
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21:49<Guest1849>hello, please help, after the today last upgrade i cant see grub menu (grub-legacy), just a blank screen, reinstalled ok grub from live cd but still cannot see the grub menu, nothing appears just blinking cursor
21:49<Guest1849>debian squeeze, grub legacy 0.97
21:49<Guest1849>thanks in advance
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21:50*PadawanLearner AHOY
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21:57<Guest1849>hello, please help, after the today last upgrade i cant see grub menu (grub-legacy), just a blank screen, reinstalled ok grub from live cd but still cannot see the grub menu, nothing appears just blinking cursor
21:58<Guest1849>debian squeeze, grub legacy 0.97
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22:17<The98>hi fellows
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22:33<th>is it okay to use nilfs2 in debian squeeze?
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22:36<xklakoux>hi everyone, i have a question about dd. If i make a hard copy of a drive using dd if=/dev/sdaX of=output.file can i restore it on a bigger partition?
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22:37<xklakoux>actually i've already did it and removed the partition. Now i'm scared i won't be able to restore it on a new partition
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23:40<jrt4>I'm trying to understand the way the packaging system works. Is it correct to say that if there were bugs that only affected package Foo in, say, ARM that package Foo would not be included in the stable release for all of the other architectures, even though they weren't affected?
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23:51<CaperucitaRoja>buenas alguien sabe por qué puede ser que me funcione "irexec" perfectamente pero "irxevent" nada de nada?
23:51<CaperucitaRoja>de LIRC
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23:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
23:52<CaperucitaRoja>excuse me, I get confused
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23:53<Hydroxide>(usted puede recebir ayuda aquí en ingles o allá en español)
23:54<CaperucitaRoja>Hi. LIRC: someone knows why my "irexec" could work just perfect but "irxevent" not at all?
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23:54<mk429>Hi guys, I installed the recent linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 update and it's brought back severe ACPI issues that were patched and fixed many years ago, from the changelog "* Add supportt for AMD Family 10h/11h CPU internal temperatur sensor."
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23:55<mk429>could someone direct me to the right people to talk to about getting this fixed?
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23:55<Hydroxide>CaperucitaRoja: I do not, sorry. I have never used lirc. I hope someone else will know the answer :)
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23:56<Hydroxide>mk429: the best way would be to file a bug on the kernel package. after making sure you have the reportbug package installed, reportbug linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 will walk you through reporting it
23:56<mk429>Hydroxide: thanks a bunch, I shall do just that :)
23:56<Hydroxide>mk429: they will follow up with you as needed via email. (use an address that you don't mind being listed publicly in the bugtracking system)
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23:57<mk429>cool, will do
23:57<Hydroxide>mk429: and thank you for helping get the problem (re-)fixed :)
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