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00:24<CaperucitaRoja>Hi. LIRC: someone knows why my "irexec" could work just perfect but "irxevent" not at all?
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00:50<sortadi>hi there
00:50<sortadi>what could possibly be the reason for a laptop to turn on and off in an infinite loop?
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01:08<AgentC>good morning
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01:11<nevyn>sortadi: bad hardware.
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02:41<jerryclunsford>I need java jre to install and run a program I have updated to jre1.6.0_22 the iceweasel plug in works how can I find out if the jre will work system wide? ( on the program I need to install)
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02:42<jm_>run a sample java program
02:42<th>uh, try to run the program... it's the only way to be sure
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02:45<jerryclunsford>I tried it I get a segmentation error
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02:46<jerryclunsford>to be precise line 12: 11773 Segmentation fault java -jar macinstall.jar seopowersuite
02:46<jerryclunsford>jm where can I get a "sample java program"
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02:48<jm_>jerryclunsford: there's shitloads on the net
02:51<jerryclunsford>well I haven't seen any that don't run in browser.
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02:53<jm_>the top one is simple enough - but you'll need to compile it
02:54<jerryclunsford>and it will run outside a browser?
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02:57<jerryclunsford>Thanks I read up on compiling java and see what I can find out
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02:58<jm_>just stick that program in a file, saj, run javac, then java MyFirstProgram (you'll need jdk for javac)
02:59<jm_>but I doubt it will cause problems
03:00<jerryclunsford>thought I'd need jdk more download'n
03:00<jm_>the only other option is to find precompiled stuff and test that
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03:02<jm_>well debian has a few java tools/games/...
03:02<th>sweethome3d is sweet
03:03<jerryclunsford>sweethome3d is java
03:03<th>so... have you tried sweethome3d?
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03:06<jerryclunsford>no tring to find java program to tset
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03:16<jerryclunsford>well I give up for now take it easy
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04:45<baethan>where to start trouble shooting a gdm that don't show up?
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04:52<bschneider>I have a litle question
04:52<bschneider>in my /etc/debian_version I have "lenny/sid"
04:53<bschneider>did this says that they have lenny and sid package on the computer ?
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05:09<baethan>bschneider: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list say your repository is?
05:09<baethan>and do you update over the internet?
05:10<bschneider>baethan: in the sources.list I have only lenny repository
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05:11<bschneider>baethan: actualy I didn't done any update on this computer but, I will in a near futur upgrate it in squeeze
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05:15<bschneider>baethan: I have some suprise when I upgrade some other computer It's for that I ask ;
05:16<baethan>then I can't answer why -- :)
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05:16<baethan>Does it matter?
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05:22<gsimmons>bschneider: Your system was tracking the testing suite while Lenny was in development. You would first want to fully upgrade this to Lenny/5.0 (/msg dpkg lenny release notes) before attempting an upgrade to Squeeze/6.0.
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05:26<arinov>msg dpkg flashplugin
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05:27<bschneider>gsimmons: ok thanks ;) I will care of it
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05:37<arinov>what means "aptdaemon{u}", this {u} in package name?
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05:37<arinov>i use aptitude and it is going to remove {u} packages
05:38<jm_>u is uninstall
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05:47<SynrG>more particularly, aptdaemon is a dependency of software-center, a dependency of gnome
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05:48<SynrG>removal of gnome, therefore, will cause aptitude to think it needs to remove aptdaemon (among other things)
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06:10<nutnut>Hello I installed 32bit Squeeze onto a HP DL385 G1, I can only see 3 gig (4?) of memory.. would installing "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem" resolve this? thanks
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06:14<eof>nutnut: installed 4GB of memory?
06:14<classical>Hello my gnome terminal uses huge amount of memory how can i reduce memory usage ?
06:14<jm_>nutnut: yes
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06:16<nutnut>eof: yes in POST I can see 6gig and in dmidecode I can see 2x2gig 2x1gig sticks in the box
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06:17<nutnut>(I know I should have installed 64bit)
06:17<eof>then yes, you should install bigmem kernel
06:19<nutnut>thanks guys
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06:20<flaccid>i am following to replace dhcp config with static. i set the right config as per 5.5.5 but i restart networking and this interface is gone from ifconfig
06:20<flaccid>i checked the logs and nothing was appended? how do i troubleshoot this?
06:21<eof>classical: er, you can use another emulator
06:21<jm_>flaccid: try ifup -v
06:22<classical>eof, i do not want to change terminal emulator i feel great with gnome terminal The only problem is memory usage
06:22<flaccid>jm_: not valid syntax for ifup
06:22<flaccid>probably the -v switch
06:22<jm_>flaccid: well ifup -v ...
06:23<flaccid>weird stuff
06:23<flaccid>seems fine now
06:23<flaccid>is there any some kind of delay?
06:23<jm_>no, did you run ifup before? is it tagged "auto"?
06:24<flaccid>i restarted networking by /etc/init.d/networking restart. this doesn't appear suffice.
06:24<flaccid>looks like you have to manually do if*
06:24<SynrG>classical: you learn to read memory usage? it's not *that* huge
06:25<SynrG>classical: VIRT is not real memory
06:25<jm_>that means it's not tagged "auto"
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06:25<flaccid>static can be auto?
06:25<SynrG>18972 synrg 20 0 99996 12m 9264 S 3 0.4 0:46.43 gnome-terminal
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06:26<flaccid>iface eht0 inet static auto?
06:26<jm_>auto eth0\niface eth0 inet static\n....
06:26<SynrG>classical: ^^ VIRT is 99M, but that's not actually all in use
06:26<classical>SynrG, yes i did :)
06:26<jm_>no, man interfaces has an example at the top
06:26<SynrG>so is 12m really that bad?
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06:26<SynrG>classical: when you complain about "too slow", "too large", etc. please quantify :)
06:27<flaccid>ah right, thats not very well presented in the doco for static
06:27<jm_>it's not related to static at all, it's generic for all types
06:27<classical>i have used urxvt its pretty fast and not as memory hungry as gnome is but its really sucks
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06:27<SynrG>classical: trust me, i have tried all kinds of terminal emulators and find none of them have the feature set of gnome-terminal :/
06:28<SynrG>classical: i tried lxterminal for a while, but its little peccadilos drove me insane and i switched back
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06:28<classical>SynrG, yep most of them is low featured
06:28<flaccid>jm_: wasn't saying that. its just a usability issue in the docs
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06:29<jm_>flaccid: perhaps submit a correction for the docs
06:30<flaccid>jm_: yeah well its under Table 5.10. List of stanzas in "/etc/network/interfaces" but doesn't help under 5.5.5 when trying to do a static ip; ah well
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06:34<flaccid>thank you kindly for the help jm_
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06:38<flaccid>is there a faster protocol than sftp? i just want to transfer some files. my client could be bottlenecking this so insecure with smb/cifs might be better?
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06:41<flaccid>actually looks like a flash like in a browser on the client, yay
06:41<SynrG>flaccid: you know encryption can be turned off with sftp
06:41<flaccid>SynrG: didn't know that
06:41<flaccid>but i'm thinking the bottleneck is this desktop client
06:41<SynrG>see -o
06:42<flaccid>well i'm using cyberduck on mac and want to avoid cli
06:42<flaccid>though i am a big cli guy, this is for users
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06:43<SynrG>how slow is slow?
06:43<SynrG>(compared to expected throughput)
06:44<flaccid>well in laymens, 1MB/sec instead of 10-20MB/sec
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06:44<flaccid>heh you kill one browser hogging, you get another
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06:45<flaccid>a few more mins i can get the resource usage down to find out what it is
06:46<SynrG>what class of client system? what OS version? patches up to date?
06:46<flaccid>os x full up to date, latest
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06:46<flaccid>i reckon it must be a cyberduck thing
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06:46<SynrG>transfer across WAN or LAN?
06:46<flaccid>its wlan
06:47<flaccid>but its wireless n
06:47<SynrG>well, i've seen low-level breakage bottlenecking sftp
06:47<flaccid>and next door and i tested it alongside..
06:47<SynrG>like failed switch speed/duplex autonegotiation
06:47<flaccid>i tested all of that though
06:47<flaccid>i got really good hardware too
06:47<SynrG>(and in that case it seemed to particularly impact sftp, not ftp)
06:48<flaccid>welli have no plain ftp to test
06:48<flaccid>i'll get samba going though and maybe nfs
06:48<tealc_210>Hi all, can someone help me with my Ruby on Rails installation on Debian Squeeze?
06:48<SynrG>ob. debian content check: we're talking about mac client talking to debian server? :)
06:48<flaccid>i really doubt its my server, its a new fat m0f0
06:49<flaccid>yeah squeeze amd64 on quite decent hardware
06:49<flaccid>i fink we can blame cyberduck coz i've done sftp with quite awesome speeds...
06:49<flaccid>from the same client
06:49<SynrG>tealc_210: didn't i already handle this one on #debian-ruby?
06:50<tealc_210>^^ yes, that's it, but it didn't work
06:50<SynrG>tealc_210: debian supports using the rails package in debian. for non-debian rails, i guess you see whatever support channels there are for rails upstream?
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06:51<SynrG>tealc_210: like i said, it seems it can't find gems (even though you have it installed)
06:51<SynrG>or maybe expects a different version of gems from what you have?
06:51<SynrG>but in that case, i don't know what to do for you
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06:52<flaccid>let me looksy
06:52<tealc_210>OK, I haven't understood it like that, but I have tried what you told me
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06:53<SynrG>tealc_210: it is conceivable the rails app you are trying to deploy has an overly strict version dependency in its config on a rails version not in debian, and that you could modify that config to match what's in debian ...
06:53<flaccid>yea that doesn't look like a rails or ruby issue
06:53<SynrG>tealc_210: are you interested in this as a rails developer or end user?
06:53<flaccid>let me spin up a squeeze ec2 server and check rails install
06:54<SynrG>flaccid: note the "bundle install" component of his problems. i guess that's the new gem management thing for rails upstream? i've never used it.
06:54<tealc_210>SynrG:user, I'd like to develop a website with RoR
06:55<flaccid>tealc_210: django is way better, but i'll check the deb side to this
06:55<SynrG>tealc_210: well, technically "develop a website" makes you a developer, in the sense that i used the term
06:55<SynrG>tealc_210: so you have no existing rails app. you're starting from scratch? why don't you just use the debian package, then?
06:55<tealc_210>so that's it ;-)
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06:56<SynrG>i think it should 'just work'. just don't follow any upstream instructions for "bundle install", etc.
06:56<flaccid>well im' only going to test the squeeze packages
06:56<flaccid>the rest aint debian's problem
06:56<tealc_210>SynrG:what do you mean by "debian package"?
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06:57<SynrG>i'm just saying, "bundle install" is a gems thing. generally, getting gems to cooperate with debian ruby packages is a pain in the butt. work is in progress to improve this for wheezy ... (see lucas nussbaum's recent planet debian articles on this)
06:57<SynrG>but we're not there yet
06:58<SynrG>tealc_210: the debian package of rails itself, and if you need other gems to make your rails app work, see if they are packaged for debian too and install them in the usual way (i.e. aptitude, apt, etc.) instead of via "bundle install"
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06:59<tealc_210>ok, I'll try this way, if it works that'll be great
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07:01<tealc_210>flaccid:for your information, the rubygems update is the only thing I haven't done in the classical way... I've done it by running setup.rb
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07:02<flaccid>tealc_210: yeah anything in addition to the debian packages is for #ruby or #rubygems not debian
07:03<flaccid>squeeze in ap-southeast-1 booted in 39 seconds, let me try this out
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07:07<flaccid>tealc_210: installs fine
07:07<flaccid>ii rails 2.3.5-1.2
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07:11<tealc_210>flaccid:Yes, the installation is OK, the problem is after, when I try to use RoR
07:11<tealc_210>like when I try a "rails server"
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07:14<flaccid>tealc_210: point me to the doc and i'll try it out
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07:17<tealc_210>flaccid:I've tried with this :
07:18<flaccid>tealc_210: yeah thats really outside the scope of debian
07:18<tealc_210>Oh, and I've tried with ruby 1.9.2
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07:19<flaccid>though i can do rails new blog
07:19<tealc_210>What do you mean?
07:19<flaccid>and rails server
07:19<flaccid>without a problem
07:20<flaccid>this is using the ruby, rubygems and rails packages provided in squeeze
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07:20<flaccid>doesn't seem to be a problem here unless you can give me a non standard command to create one :)
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07:22<tealc_210>OK, so maybe the problem is me ^^
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07:22<flaccid>quite possibly pebkac yes. stick to debian packages only unless you know what you are doing
07:23<tealc_210>flaccid: SynrG:thank you
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07:25<flaccid>and consider django :p
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07:25<flaccid>woops; i work for a ruby oriented company
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07:25<tealc_210>^^ I'll think of it
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07:26<Elf1sh>anyone knows why the debian 64bit installer doesn't detect my ide hdd if the bios is set to ahci mode?
07:26<Elf1sh>if i set the bios to compatible mode the hdd is detected just fine
07:26<Elf1sh>if i use the 32 bit installer the hdd is detected
07:26<Elf1sh>lspci result:
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07:55<alexey>I want to found IRC server, which have Qt channel
07:55<alexey>can u advise me any?
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07:56<petemc>freenode probably
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07:57<alexey>can u advise me any?
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07:58<NthDegree[Web]>alexey, perhaps?
07:58<NthDegree[Web]>alexey, irc://
07:58<NthDegree[Web]>it has one :)
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08:42<Black_Prince>Debian Live DVD's still not available :(
08:44<themill>Black_Prince: they are for the initial squeeze release and the changes between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1 are minimal enough that there's no problem in using the older media.
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08:44<themill>(and any differences can just be downloaded at install time if you're going to do that)
08:44<Black_Prince>There are kexec-tools on debian live 6.0 ... they drive me nuts
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08:45<themill>kexec-tools didn't change from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1
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08:46<Black_Prince>still? damn ...
08:46<themill>why did you expect it to change?
08:46<Black_Prince>I tought they were removed from live 6.0.1
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08:47<themill>oh, they might be removed from the live image, no idea.
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08:47<Black_Prince>Because it isn't cool when I want to show someone Debian on Live CD, and after that you cannot reboot system via gui ... It justs "reloads kernel"
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08:54<Black_Prince>Ok, I give up ... How to make debian live cd ...
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09:12<SynrG>Black_Prince: take it to #debian-live? i'd be happy to assist ...
09:13<SynrG>Black_Prince: or you can just be patient and wait for our builds / sync to finish
09:13<SynrG>Black_Prince: latest status update indicated they'd be ready for syncing later this afternoon/evening
09:13<Black_Prince>I was told it will be done in wednesday
09:13<SynrG>then it takes somewhere between a day and two days to finish syncing
09:14<SynrG>there were unavoidable delays
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09:14<petemc>do you want some cheese to go with your whine?
09:14<SynrG>total failure of usb-hdd, i understand
09:14<Black_Prince>I have 3.5GB of packages ... full gnome with recommended and suggested dependencies ... Just need some hints how to put these on live cd
09:15<SynrG>Black_Prince: ... i even wrote a section near the front just for you "For the impatient" ;)
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09:15<Black_Prince>Well, I followed this guide once
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09:16<SynrG>ok. we continue on #debian-live :)
09:17<lexi>hey, I'm having a problem with debian where I can't seem to get openshot to work, it's a video program, it's complaining that I haven't got 2 codecs installed when I try to export a video to disk.
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09:18<lexi>the video is going to be sent to vimeo once exported, the codecs that are missing are libx264 and libmp3lame, googling tells me to look at debian multimedia but I can't seem to connect to that website and the launchpad doesn't seem to contain any download links to these libs
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09:19<lexi>I'm a n00b debian user, I'm used to using windows on my desktop so excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something obvious here
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09:19<petemc>!tell lexi about dmm
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09:21<lexi>petemc: that website is down
09:21<petemc>works fine here
09:21<lexi>I mean I go to and it's empty
09:22<lexi><title>Serveur OVH</title>
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09:23<lexi>what do you see on your side, do you see a link to the package information, maybe you can send me the link to a download or something
09:23<petemc>does that work?
09:23<lexi>The requested URL /debian-m.php was not found on this server.
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09:24<themill>lexi: what IP is that site resolving to for you?
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09:25<joel>Hi, i just upgraded my server with debian lenny to squeeze, i'm using Xen on it (it's the dom0), but i notice that when trying to boot my domU's with squeeze kernel 2.6.32-5 it hangs at boot time with this error: any ideas? it is saying to me that it doesn't find the LVM volume for the swap partition of the dom0!! i don't understand this.
09:25<petemc>PING ( 56 data bytes
09:26<themill>lexi: hmm... right hoster, wrong IP.
09:26<lexi>ok I switched the IP in the hosts file
09:27<Black_Prince>Is there any reason why using hosts file for that?
09:27<lexi>cause it works?
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09:28<Black_Prince>HOSTS file was used in arpanet ... Today we have dns
09:28<petemc>clearly dns isnt working for lexi
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09:32<lexi>so how do I get the key for it, apt is giving out
09:32<lexi>don't see where it is on the website
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09:32<lexi>is there a way you can grab it from the mirror?
09:33<Black_Prince>apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
09:34<lexi>it's amazing that people help like this
09:34<lexi>I'm just some randomer
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09:44<lexi>trying to mash together a video from an interview of a libyan rebel
09:44<lexi>I did in cairo
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09:51<Guest1904>i delete some folder out of my /home folder and now even ls comes back as cannot execute binary file
09:51<Guest1904>can it be fixed on the fly
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09:52<SynrG>are you sure you were in /home when you deleted?
09:52<[David]>yesh i delete via ftp
09:52<[David]>from /home/david
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09:53<[David]>if i type cd /
09:53<[David]>it says cannot executr binary file
09:54<[David]>all the folder i deleted where related to gnome i had recently purged
09:54<[David]>all located within /home/david
09:54<cthuluh>but, do you have problems with ftp or with your shell, now?
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09:55<SynrG>what is the expected output of "ls" after "cd /" ... a listing of /home/david ?
09:55<[David]>:/home/david# ls
09:55<[David]>-bash: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file
09:55<SynrG>oh. you're using ls in the shell
09:56<SynrG>sounds like you just broke your system.
09:56<SynrG>i would guess that /bin is now gone
09:56<cthuluh>reboot on a live cd or such and backup your data
09:56<[David]>it's a VPS
09:57<SynrG>a debian VPS?
09:57<[David]>i've still got my unreal server running on it
09:57<SynrG>i hope you have a recent backup
09:57<[David]>and services
09:57<[David]>err nope
09:58<SynrG>*any* backup?
09:58<cthuluh>we all learn from our errors
09:58<[David]>but i'd best i get it whilst it's still actually running
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09:58<SynrG>without /bin, how are you going to accomplish this? :)
09:58<SynrG>sftp still needs to run stuff on the server side. may not work
09:58<cthuluh>needs sftp-server if not using internal-sftp
09:59<SynrG>is there a higher-level backup facility provided by the VPS provider? maybe through some web interface ...
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09:59<SynrG>such as you would use for installing the system?
09:59<SynrG>if there is, it may allow you to make a backup snapshot of the whole VPS
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09:59<SynrG>without having to run stuff in the VPS itself
10:00<[David]>i can connect vis sftp
10:00<[David]>am backing up the folders i need now
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10:01<[David]>wonder if i can just tar my /home/david folder
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10:03<Black_Prince>I guess you have lost tar binary
10:03<Black_Prince># which tar
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10:04<SynrG>let me guess:
10:04<SynrG>-bash: /bin/which: cannot execute binary file
10:04<SynrG>(or is there a which internal too?)
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10:05<[David]>nope bin in there
10:05<catsup>$ which which
10:05<[David]>i can view /bin in sftp
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10:05<Black_Prince>Hey, did you remove .profile or .bashrc file ?
10:06<Black_Prince>what's your path set to? echo $PATH
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10:06<flaccid>you might like to check $PATH
10:06<[David]>:/home# echo $path
10:06<SynrG>doh. now, why didn't i think of that? :)
10:06<JuanDosSantos>Where I can find linux-source-2.6.38 for debian lenny?
10:06<SynrG>[David]: follow the instructions *exactly*
10:06<JuanDosSantos>I tried the experimental repository but I can't find it..
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10:06<SynrG>[David]: echo $path is not echo $PATH
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10:07<Black_Prince>UNIX(-like) systems are 'case-sensitive' ...
10:07<[David]>:/home# echo $PATH
10:07<[David]>yeah sorry
10:07<catsup>$ ECHO $PATH
10:07<catsup>bash: ECHO: command not found
10:07<[David]>:/home# echo $PATH
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10:07<SynrG>well, there goes that theory :p
10:08<Black_Prince>hell ...
10:08<[David]>96 files in /bin
10:08<Black_Prince>you may try to reinstall coreutils package ..
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10:08<SynrG>echo /bin<tab><tab>
10:08<Black_Prince>apt-get install --reinstall coreutils
10:08<SynrG>[David]: 96 files sounds correct
10:09<SynrG>/bin is not huge
10:09<catsup>best to just use sftp to copy if that works, rather than try reinstalling, which is a bad idea on a bad disk
10:09<catsup>or a corrupt fs
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10:09<JuanDosSantos>Can I get this package: also for debian lenny?
10:09<catsup>sid is not lenny
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10:10<SynrG>er, actually "echo /bin/<tab><tab>"
10:10<SynrG>and then press 'y'
10:10<[David]>:/home# echo /bin
10:10<[David]>Display all 1017 possibilities? (y or n)
10:10<[David]>:/home# echo /bin
10:10<[David]>Display all 1017 possibilities? (y or n)
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10:10<[David]>hit yes it gives pages and pages
10:11<SynrG>1017? i thought you said there were 96 ...
10:11<SynrG>did you press tab twice *before* pressing enter>
10:11<flaccid>apples + bananas + irrelevance
10:11<SynrG>should show you the 96 things in /bin if you press 'y'
10:11<jww_>= fruit salad
10:11<[David]>96 is what i can see in sftp
10:12<JuanDosSantos>catsup: You know where I can download linux-source-2.6.38 for debian lenny? I can't find it in the experimental repository..
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10:12<SynrG>flaccid: ok, so if i'm off on a tangent here i'll shut up and let you help :)
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10:13<flaccid>SynrG: what am i to solve?
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10:14<SynrG>flaccid: the presenting problem was that /bin/ls was inaccessible
10:14<SynrG>flaccid: i was trying to prove it is in fact there
10:14<SynrG>without using ls itself to find it
10:14<flaccid>what did /bin/s return?
10:14<flaccid>file /bin/ls
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10:15<[David]>:/bin# file /bin/ls
10:15<[David]>/bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), corrupted program header size, corrupted section header size
10:15<flaccid>[David]: run this command: /bin/ls /
10:15<[David]>:/bin# /bin/ls /
10:15<[David]>-bash: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file
10:16<flaccid>[David]: ls -l /bin/ls
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10:16<[David]>:/bin# ls -l /bin/ls
10:16<[David]>-bash: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file
10:17<weasel>busybox ls -l /bin/ls
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10:17<[David]>:/bin# busybox ls -l /bin/ls
10:17<[David]>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 110184 Mar 23 04:56 /bin/ls
10:18<SynrG>maybe wrong architecture executable for the kernel you're using?
10:18<SynrG>uname -r
10:18<flaccid>well the inability to execute a binary can mean many things, most of which mean that you foobarred it
10:19<SynrG>x86-64 would definitely not work on a 32-bit kernel
10:19<[David]> uname -r
10:19<[David]>i obviouslt never changed ls in/dev
10:19<flaccid>"corrupted program header size, corrupted section header size"
10:19<weasel>why does bin/ls have a semi-recent timestamp?
10:19<th>something like prelink messed up with the binary?
10:19<SynrG>weasel: ooh. good point
10:20<weasel>busybox sha1sum /bin/ls
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10:20<[David]>busybox sha1sum /bin/ls
10:20<[David]>196972538fe264dd65a2f5827b594da1b2edd5bf /bin/ls
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10:21<flaccid>[David]: are you really in busybox? if so its not debian shell.
10:21<weasel>i386, amd64, squeeze, lenny?
10:21<[David]>not it;s debian
10:21<weasel>my /bin/ls has a different checksum.
10:22<weasel>but could still be prelink or something, like th mentioned.
10:23<weasel>[David]: busybox wget
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10:23<weasel>[David]: busybox sha1sum coreutils_6.10-6_amd64.deb
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10:23<flaccid>if you are in busbbox, you are there for a reason
10:24<[David]>busybox sha1sum coreutils_6.10-6_amd64.deb
10:24<[David]>6ab0e2c815b1852d0e988f020c737830ba1563c6 coreutils_6.10-6_amd64.deb
10:24<weasel>does your busybox have a dpkg plugin?
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10:24<weasel>flaccid: what do you mean with "in busybox"?
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10:25<[David]>is i type busybox before ls
10:25<[David]>ls works
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10:25<Seppoz>you have to link proppery
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10:26<weasel>[David]: let's backtrack one step. is only ls broken or do other things work?
10:26<Seppoz>all the ls cd etc commands are just linked to busybox ls busybox cd..
10:26<[David]>cd works
10:26<weasel>those are shell built-ins
10:26<weasel>they don't count
10:26<flaccid>busybox is a resort you should'nt be there
10:26<[David]>everything else i've tried doesn't
10:26<weasel>ok.. what does busybox dmesg say?
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10:27<Seppoz>oh, cd is shell still?
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10:27<Seppoz>nm then :)
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10:27<Seppoz>[David]: type echo $PATH
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10:27<[David]>:/bin# echo $PATH
10:28<weasel>[David]: busybox dmesg
10:28<weasel>(does it complain about anything?)
10:29<[David]>yeah but loads of segfaults
10:29<[David]>goes off the page
10:29<[David]>i can only scroll back so far on putty
10:30<weasel>can you successfully log in a second time?
10:30<[David]>what into another putty?
10:30<[David]>i presume so cos i logged in via sftp
10:30<weasel>try it.
10:30<[David]>yes i can
10:31<weasel>does ls work in that?
10:31<[David]>didn't want to get kicked for paste
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10:34<guillaume>Hi all, I have some unexcepted reboot with my OCFS2 cluster when I/O erros occur, anybody can deal with it ?
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10:39<mcamargo>hola hay alguien alli??
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10:41<[David]>so i take it re-install my only option then
10:42<SynrG>[David]: not necessarily. if you have a way to transfer individual files, and you can find and fix the few files needed to make other things work ...
10:42<SynrG>you *may* be able to recover without a reinstall
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10:43<SynrG>more worrying is what the source of the corruption was, and if it is going to happen again
10:43<SynrG>"removal of some files from my home dir" is an unlikely cause
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10:46<th>reinstalling sounds boring but you may save lots of time by just reinstalling from scratch
10:47<th>trying to find the cause and fix it manually, that'll be a lot of fun...
10:48<SynrG>mhm. especially given the amount of hand-holding we've done so far ... i somehow doubt this will move along quickly.
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10:48<th>yeah. it'll be cool if you can dump the disk content before reinstallation and do the fun part later
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10:55<[David]>my mate has same vps as me
10:55<[David]>so i just borrowed him bin folder
10:55<[David]>they are working nwp
10:56<lillecarl>Does anyone know how to make a shortcut to gnome terminal that executes a command just when you open it?
10:56<[David]>i'll try an apt-get upgrade
10:56<[David]>see if that works
10:56<[David]>as it previously gave install errors
10:57<[David]>because it could not execute it
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11:00<SynrG>[David]: first thing i would do is "debsums -s" and see if there are any other suspicious files.
11:00<SynrG>[David]: i'd also want to fsck to see if the root cause is filesystem corruption.
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11:02<SynrG>lillecarl: you maen a command launcher that runs it in a gnome-terminal?
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11:03<[David]>debsums -s command not found
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11:04<SynrG>[David]: it's a useful one to have around, if-and-when you get your system back to a state where you can install packages.
11:05<lillecarl>SynrG, yeah i got it solved, thnx anyways :D
11:05<SynrG>you might want to look for filesystem corruption first
11:05<SynrG>lillecarl: ok :)
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11:07<[David]>fsck finished
11:07<[David]>/dev/sda1: clean
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11:08<SynrG>so you were just the victim of stray cosmic rays?
11:08*SynrG shrugs
11:08<[David]>i know
11:08<[David]>very strange
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11:09<SynrG>so, assuming you've given it a clean bill of health for package installation, install and run debsums. now, be aware that debsums may give false positives ...
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11:09<[David]>i've install debsums
11:09<[David]>it check cheksums of files
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11:10<[David]>i started it, then you said to run disc checker first
11:10<[David]>i take it i'm looking for checksum mismatchs
11:11<SynrG>"changed file" or "missing file" ...
11:11<SynrG>for things that you're certain *should not* be changed or missing
11:11<[David]>ok thanks
11:12<[David]>nope had a few saying no md5sums
11:12<SynrG>(you can ignore "no md5sums for ..." as that can't be helped)
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11:12<[David]>2 said checksum mismatch
11:12<[David]>it's finished
11:12<SynrG>oh? interesting
11:12<SynrG>to be on the safe side you might "apt-get install --reinstall" those packages
11:12<[David]>and /bin/ping6
11:13<SynrG>ah. could be a consequence of just copying the dir from your friend
11:13<SynrG>maybe he had different versions
11:13<[David]>debsums: checksum mismatch iputils-ping file /bin/ping
11:13<[David]>debsums: checksum mismatch iputils-ping file /bin/ping6
11:13<SynrG>check the iputils-ping version on his system vs. yours
11:13<[David]>so just re-install iputils
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11:15<SynrG>if you want to be totally paranoid, you could reinstall the packages with no checksums, since we have no way of knowing if corruption occured in them or not
11:15<SynrG>particularly if dpkg -L shows they have stuff in /bin
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11:16<[David]>i've just installed fluxbox
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11:17<[David]>and that give a few errors in debsums
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11:17<SynrG>humm. you mean you were debsumming *while* installing?
11:18<SynrG>or you installed fluxbox, then debsums afterwards gave errors?
11:18<[David]>no i did debsum, it finsihed, i reinstalled iputils-pind
11:18<[David]>and install fluxbox
11:18<[David]>iputils-ping no errors now but get mismatch on fluxbox
11:18<SynrG>sounds like the corruption problem is ongoing. i guess the hardware your vps is on is failing :p
11:20<SynrG>from what you pasted to me in privmsg, looks like installation of one package causes errors in a totally unrelated package
11:20<SynrG>'menu' wasn't a dependency installed when you installed fluxbox, was it?
11:21<SynrG>oh ...
11:21<[David]>Setting up menu (2.1.41)
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11:21<SynrG>and if you apt-get install --reinstall menu and debsums again, are the errors the same or different? (or gone?)
11:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
11:22<SynrG>you can use this instead of privmsging me stuff so that other people will be able to see and help
11:22<SynrG>i'm taking a lunch break now
11:23<SynrG>if there is some change in the debsums output for 'menu' after reinstalling, i think that indicates some underlying problem you should check with your VPS provider
11:23<[David]>menu caused loads of errors
11:23<SynrG>but in any case, i think that is very strange and probably indicates a system problem, not a package problem.
11:23<sney>I had a repeated corruption problem on one of my machines that magically went away after I force fscked a few times
11:23<SynrG>sney: huh. yet his fsck returned clean
11:24<SynrG>[David]: which fsck options did you use?
11:24<[David]>i just ran fsck
11:24<sney>yeah, if it returns initially clean it'll usually just quit and not do the whole thing
11:24<dpkg>To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/ Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze).
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11:25<SynrG> may be doing something more aggressive
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11:25<SynrG>i haven't looked ... anyway ... lunchtime :)
11:28<Black_Prince>Have a nice meal
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11:29<judd>Package on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny11; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2; wheezy: 1:3.3.0-7; sid: 1:3.3.0-8
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11:33<Seppoz>EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with writeback data mode. VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2 - mount -s: rootfs on / type rootfs (rw), any idea why my rootfs is not mounted readonly? here are the kernel parameters: rootwait root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ro rootfstype=ext3
11:34<SynrG>!tell Black_Prince about selftell
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11:37<SynrG>Seppoz: booted readonly and later remounted read-write perhaps?
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11:37<bremner>is there some way to configure the defaults for evince-gtk? I have no gnome config applets or what have you.
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11:38<Seppoz>SynrG: who would remout it as rw?
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11:41<SynrG>Seppoz: /etc/init.d/ ?
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11:43<SynrG>Seppoz: check your /etc/fstab
11:44<SynrG>i think ro only says what the disposition is during boot. after boot, it's whatever your /etc/fstab says it should be
11:44<SynrG>(er, s/ro only says/ro boot parameter only says/)
11:44<Black_Prince>*sigh* ... I don't think judd has that feature
11:44<sney>Black_Prince: it does, I use it all the time
11:44<Omi>segmentation fault on skype. Any ideas on how to solve it? sorry to bother and thanks
11:44<SynrG>Black_Prince: huh? i tested msging judd
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11:45<Black_Prince>Oh, didn't noticed that
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11:45<themill>Black_Prince: "/msg judd versions" works just fine
11:45<sney>let's all tell him
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11:45<Black_Prince>I see now
11:47<sney>(also, it might be worth mentioning that is being replaced with libreoffice in testing and beyond)
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11:53<abcd82>Omi: 64-bitOS ? there was some problems if remember right
11:53<lluvia>I'm having troubles with grub-yeeloong, a grub version for a particular mipsel laptop. Where is the best place I can ask for help?
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11:54<NthDegree[Web]>What is the benefit to changing from OO.o to LibreOffice? I heard they've synced now
11:55<NthDegree[Web]>so from the practical side of things, they're as identical as RHEL and CentOS
11:55<NthDegree[Web]>just branding differences
11:55<lluvia>maybe my problem is not grub-yeeloong related but only grub related
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11:56<themill>NthDegree[Web]: I very much doubt that OOo has picked up the rather large patch set that LibO (and its predecessors) have been carrying around for some years. I can't see that the development culture in OOo will have suddenly changed like that.
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11:57<themill>NthDegree[Web]: debian has been shipping a fork of OOo ( for some time so the practical difference you will see at this stage is minimal.
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11:57<NthDegree[Web]>themill, i've heard they synced build numbers and version, as in OOo took on LibreOffice tree
11:57<lluvia>the problem is that I cannot get that grub2 recognize my /boot/vmlinux (placed there in a non-standard)
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11:58<sney>lluvia: maybe #mipslinux on freenode?
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11:59<themill>NthDegree[Web]: I'd be very surprised if OOo had done that. They've been refusing to integrate these patches for years partly on the basis that they don't have copyright assignment for them or that they are are LGPL rather than CDDL/MPL licenced.
11:59<lluvia>sney: I didn't know that channel, thanks
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12:00<sney>oracle involvement means the OOo licensing itself may soon become much less open
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12:00<sney>better to include a suite with a less dubious future
12:00<NthDegree[Web]>sney, true
12:01<NthDegree[Web]>Sun did the right thing just in time to protect the technology IMO
12:02<abcd82>cold start wise OO<Libre definitely
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12:03<NthDegree[Web]>OOo may very well become the new XFree86
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12:05<Omi>guys, how do you fix a segmentation fault on skype running on debian squeeze?
12:05<Omi>sorry to bother.. thanks alot
12:05<jhutchins_lt>I thought the libre split had a lot more to do with flexibility and speed of development.
12:05<jhutchins_lt>Omi: None here. Logfiles?
12:06<Omi>I run it on terminal
12:06<Omi>and simply says segmentation fault..
12:06<SynrG>i386? amd64?
12:06<Omi>I reinstalled and stil the same..
12:06<Omi>debian squeeze
12:06<Omi>using skype 2.1 beta
12:06*SynrG shrugs
12:07<SynrG>works for me on both i386 and amd64
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12:07<themill>that's the current "release" (even if it's been marked beta for a year or more)
12:07<Omi>yea.. the one found on the stable repository
12:08<Omi>this is the only problem I am having with my debian squeeze
12:08<SynrG>anyway, talk to skype i guess
12:08<themill>Omi: if you create a fresh user on your machine, does it still segfault?
12:09*jhutchins_lt checks his version...
12:09<Omi>Will it runs as root
12:09<Omi>here is the log: skype: pcm_null.c:130: snd_pcm_null_start: Assertion `null->state == SND_PCM_STATE_PREPARED' failed.
12:09<Omi>Segmentation fault
12:09<themill>(that is most definitely one piece of software I wouldn't run as root)
12:09<jhutchins_lt>81 here as well, no segfault.
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12:10<Omi>It used to work fine..
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12:10<Omi>on lenny and after the upgrade to squeeze
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12:11<themill>sounds like a general sound problem on your machine atm
12:11<dandersson>On my Debian Sid server, a script that reads an URL on the domain suddenly started to fail. The server's hostname is under I can access via Opera/Chrome on the machine, but not Iceweasel. I can't ping/dig the domain. dig gives SERVFAIL for all domains under (including my own hostname). OK, that looks like a DNS server problem. However: my laptop (Ubuntu) uses my server as gateway (and
12:11<Omi>there is none.. bloomberg worked fine
12:11<Omi>and the videos as well
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12:13<Omi>hmm.. is there a cure for it? I mean if purging it would not work.. how to remove a segfault??
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12:34<dandersson>Using nslookup is seems that my primary DNS has problems with the domain. My server then just says "fail", whereas my laptop tries another DNS server which the first one suggests. I guess Opera/Chrome on my server do this internally somehow, but not Iceweasel. I'm still confused, but it's how it must qualitatively be.
12:34<koollman>dandersson: what's the domain ?
12:35<weasel> has no A record
12:35<weasel> has no AAAA record
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12:36<josemi>kien es de sevilla?
12:36<weasel>dandersson: so simply doesn't exist?
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12:36<cthuluh>!es > josemi
12:36<dpkg>> josemi: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
12:37<dandersson>It's that I'm primarily interested in, but it exists. It's just that the primary DNS server can't resolve it at the moment, and my server doesn't use my secondary DNS for some reason.
12:37<koollman>ah. funny case
12:37<koollman>bad glue records
12:37<josemi>k dise pintamona
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12:38<weasel>koollman: hm?
12:38<koollman>if I ask ns1 (which is according to my dns), is . but if I ask ns2, ( for me), it's same for ns1
12:38<jhutchins_lt>dandersson: What do the two resolv.conf look like
12:38<koollman>so I assume there are wrong glue records in the .se registry which gave me those DNS
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12:39<dandersson>I guess koollman has found and expressed the problem.
12:39<weasel>koollman: are you sure?
12:39<dandersson>resolv.conf on the server:
12:39<koollman>weasel: yes, pretty sure
12:39<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ dig @ +short
12:40<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ dig @ +short
12:40<weasel>ah. it vs net
12:40<koollman>(I do work for a company that sells domain names, too. I see that often enough)
12:40<weasel>where does come from?
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12:40<dandersson> should be the correct IP to their secondary DNS. Should I contact, that is, is the problem on their table?
12:40<koollman>dandersson: yes
12:41<koollman>(well, not really on their servers, but they can change the entry and you probably can't)
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12:41<dandersson>OK, I had already started writing the mail :-) I know them, if not on a personal basis, close enough. Thanks.
12:42<weasel>I still don't see the problem.
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12:43<koollman>hmm, now... the resolution seems mostly ok (although I have the old entries in my cache, direct request works well enough)
12:44<koollman>but still isn't defined, on any dns
12:44<dandersson>It's I'm on. And that I was firstly interested in resolving.
12:45<weasel>50.0% of queries will end in failure at ( - no such record
12:45<weasel>50.0% of queries will end in failure at ( - no such record
12:46<weasel>50.0% of queries will be returned by (
12:46<weasel> 7200 IN A
12:46<weasel>50.0% of queries will be returned by (
12:46<weasel> 7200 IN A
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12:50<mariaesperanza2000>DIME ALGO
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12:57<Efreak>friend just installed squeeze on his server and wants to not start xfce (or xorg) at boot. can anyone tell me how to do this?
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12:57<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "update-rc.d xdm stop 20 2 3 4 5" and friends will also disable the dm. echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or just hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. Also the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (
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12:58<cahoot>Efreak: ^
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12:59<Efreak>we don't want to uninstall it; we still want to be able to start it manually
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12:59<Efreak>ah, ty
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13:00<Efreak>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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13:15<dandersson>Regarding the DNS problems: it seems that the server I have set as primary DNS is not supposed to be used anymore. It's still running, but without supervision, and apparently it is starting to fail. I've changed to the new one and flushed my cache, and now everything works.
13:16<dandersson>Weird that Opera/Chrome worked anyway, but not Iceweasel.
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13:17<cucaracha>i just download flashplayer for 64bit , how do i install it?
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13:17<sney>maybe something about the primary dns responses made chrome/opera fail over automatically, but mozilla just ignored it
13:18<sney>!adobe flash
13:18<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>.
13:19<cucaracha>i have a .tar.gz , i un tar it , and here is "" ,and then it is not free...?
13:19<sney>install things from apt if you can, less likely to break
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13:20<sney>ignore the .tar.gz and follow what dpkg said
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13:32<cucaracha>i done it !
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13:32<sney>!congratulate cucaracha
13:32<dpkg>Yay cucaracha, you did it!
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13:33<cucaracha>finally i can use youtube
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13:45<Efreak>can anyone help me out with a php issue here? I was told to ask in debian help:
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13:46<Efreak>php (installed from apt) isn't parsing files
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13:48<jhutchins_lt> !php
13:48<dpkg>PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <php userdir>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>, <pear>, <pecl>, <xampp>. #php on, #php and ##php on
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13:51<themill>Efreak: two things to test: "/msg dpkg php wants me to download still"; also, where is this php file located? /msg dpkg php userdir
13:52<Efreak>no, I got it
13:52<Efreak>in the default php5.conf: <IfModule mod_userdir.c><Directory /home/*/public_html>php_admin_value engine Off</Directory></IfModule>
13:52<Efreak>not sure why that was there..
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13:53<Black_Prince>what does this mean? E: Archive is too short E: Errors apply to file './pool/main/partial/openjdk-6-source_6b18-1.8.3-2+squeeze1_all.deb'
13:53<sney>incomplete download would be my guess
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13:54<Black_Prince>Hm ... I think I interrupted when that file was downloaded ... But I continued afterwards, shouldn't download be continued as well?
13:55<sney>normally yes, maybe you interrupted at just the wrong moment
13:55<sney>or it would be restarted anyway
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13:57<Black_Prince>Damn, only 19 MB of 26.8 was downloaded
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13:58<Martian67_>is down?
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14:01<sney>doesn't appear to be
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14:03<lord_rob>Hi ! When I try to boot with kernel 2.6.38 (depency of linux-image-2.6) I don't have initrd. Is it a known problem ? I googled and found nothing :/
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14:03<Martian67_>seems down for me sney
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14:03<Martian67_>i just get a timeout
14:03<sney>lord_rob: 2.6.38? using sid?
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14:03<lord_rob>yep sney
14:04<Martian67_>could be some routing thing somewhere
14:04<lord_rob>(but .37 is still present on this box)
14:04<sney>lord_rob: sid is broken too often for #debian to keep up, check
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14:05<sney>lord_rob: and if there's no bug report, and you can replicate the problem, congratulations, you've found a bug and are now part of the development process. make sure to report it. /msg dpkg reportbug
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14:12<grummund>Is there a debian init.d script for svnserve?
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14:13<lord_rob>sney: I've already reported several bugs, that's why I was wondering. Anyway reading other reports, it seems they hava managed to install the kernel so ...
14:15<sney>maybe the package download was incomplete or something. is the initrd not present or is it just not being loaded? check grub, etc
14:16<lord_rob>yep lemme check that
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14:22<jhutchins_lt>initrd is created locally. Supposed to happen on kernel install but can be done manually.
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14:22<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
14:23<jorn>I just downloaded the new netbook remix. I remember it being semi easy to change the view to the normal look but now I can't figure it out for the life of me and i hate the remix look
14:23<jorn>how do i change from netbook remix to default desktop look
14:23<sney>jorn: what, ubuntu? this is #debian
14:23<jorn>im sorry about that
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14:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:25<Efreak>anyone know of a vpn solution that can be used 'out of the box' (with auth against system users)
14:26<thewanderer1>Efreak: hmm, SSH?
14:26<SynrG>network-manager aims to be end-user friendly and supports vpn connections, but i don't know what this means in terms of delivering a whole solution (and besides which, have never tried it)
14:26<SynrG>might be a starting point for an investigation tho
14:27<sney>the only non-vendor vpn I've ever used was n2n, and it isn't really out of the box
14:27<sney>more of a some assembly required solution
14:27<Efreak>thewanderer1: vpn, not proxy
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14:27<jhutchins_lt>pptp works on most distros, although the details vary.
14:27<jhutchins_lt>Network Manger can sometimes manage vpn connections.
14:27<thewanderer1>Efreak: I know what I mean
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14:29<Efreak>well, I need oob; I have no time to deal with an install right now, and the person I'm doing it for isn't a tech person. If I can't find one, I'm just gonna tell him no.
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14:35<lord_rob>initrd.img-2.6.38-1-amd64 is missing from /boot that's the problem (and apt-file doesn't locate a package where it could be). So I've installed reportbug-ng
14:35<thewanderer1>I bet it's just the package file being built with wrong options (make-kpkg without --initrd)
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14:36<lord_rob>grub don't start the kernel anyway
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14:51<jhutchins_lt>.38 is still experimental, right?
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14:52<Black_Prince>No, it's unstable
14:52<retrospectacus>judd: kernels
14:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
14:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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14:53<ticha>sney: It is able to pass trough 2 nat ^^
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14:54<sney>ticha: what, n2n? yeah, it's pretty cool
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15:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:26<dpkg>Hi, mrfrood!
15:26<eric>im not sure how to enter echo 'snd-powermac' >> /etc/modules
15:26<eric>reboot correctly
15:26<eric>i know almost nothing about cokmmands
15:27<eric>commands* lolol
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15:28<eric>i dont have sound on my ibook g4 i installed linux last night im trying to get that working
15:28<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
15:29<eric>ok i will do that
15:29<eric>thank you
15:29<MrFrood>you may also want to ask on #debian-ppc
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15:29<eric>ok if that dosent work ill head there way
15:30<MrFrood>you may also want to use the //list command to make sure I got the channel name correct
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15:30<jhutchins_lt>!tell eric about general cli tutorial
15:30<MrFrood>/list - only one slash
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15:32<eric>it sayed there is no such file directory when i put /list
15:32<MrFrood>it's an irc command
15:32<eric>lol ok
15:32<eric>i fail
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15:41<eric_>when i put 'alsactl init' it says unknown hardware: "appleonbdaudio" "soundbylayout" " " " " " " hardware is initialized using guess method
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15:44<eric_>the sound still doesnot work
15:44<MrFrood>the warning is normal
15:45<eric_>thats a warning?
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15:46<MrFrood>you may want to try the #debian-ppc channel as they will be more familiar with your hardware
15:46<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
15:46<MrFrood>yes it's a warning
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15:47<eric_>i did reboot
15:47<eric_>no sound
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15:47<cahoot>why would reboot be needed?
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15:48<cahoot>eric_: what does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' return?
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15:49<eric_>it said no such file directory
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15:49<eric_>did i just enter it wrong?
15:49<MrFrood>no quotes
15:50<eric_> 0 [SoundByLayout ]: AppleOnbdAudio - SoundByLayout
15:50<eric_> SoundByLayout
15:50<cahoot>eric_: try speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
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15:52<eric_>its doings something
15:52<eric_>i oono what tho
15:52<cahoot>no sound?
15:52<eric_>and it just keeps going
15:53<eric_>no sound
15:53<cahoot>eric_: try (as root) /etc/init.s/alsa-utils reset 0 - then speaker-test again
15:54<cahoot>eric_: err /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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15:56<eric_>ok so it reset alsa card
15:56<eric_>it says
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15:59<eric_>speaker-test 1.0.23
15:59<eric_>Playback device is default
15:59<eric_>Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
15:59<eric_>WAV file(s)
15:59<eric_>Rate set to 48000Hz (requested 48000Hz)
15:59-!-eric_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use or /msg dpkg paste]
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16:01<eric__>still no sound tho mate
16:01<MrFrood>!tell eric about pastebin
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16:03<cahoot>eric__: only idea left is to run speaker-test in one terminal and alsamixer in another an try to systematically test different mixersettings
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16:03<eric__>geez your scaring me
16:03<MrFrood>eric__: you should have a message from dpkg
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16:03<eric__>a message where?
16:04<eric__>sorry im very new to all this
16:04<MrFrood>in another irc thingy
16:04<eric__>how might i check that lol
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16:04<MrFrood>eric__: what irc client are you using?
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16:05<MrFrood>I'm not familiar with that can someone help?
16:05<eric__>i epricate all the help tho you guys are gsta
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16:06<cahoot>eric__: the intended message is: don't paste in channel, use a pastebin
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16:06<eric__>not sure what a pastebin is but i wont paste
16:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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16:08<eric__>lol theres nobody in debian-ppc
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16:09<sney>eric__: it's #debianppc actually
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16:16<eric_>ya nobody over there had anything to say
16:17<eric_>you guys are alot more helpfull\
16:17<sney>it's a small channel so the idea is to ask and wait
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16:20<juhaj>Does anyone here have any idea, what's the status ofkde 4.6 in sid?
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16:49<eric_>can anyone help me resolve a sound issue installed mintppc 9.2 on an ibook g4 last night and i cant get any sound
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16:52<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>.
16:52<dpkg>[powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture ( See "Debian for PowerPC" at . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on and
16:53<eric_>im in debianppc and waiting
16:53<eric_>just figured id still see if i can get anything done here also
16:54<MrFrood>might take a while, I once had to wait tow days in #ksh
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16:54<eric_>and mintppc isnt the same as mint i think
16:54<E0x>exist a way in the installer to test the connection ?
16:54<E0x>i try ping ,but is not there
16:54<MrFrood>it's mint for ppc isn't it?
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16:55<eric_>yeah but its a different team i think
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16:56<MrFrood>if you don't get an answer here
16:56<E0x>MrFrood: there don't say a word of how do it
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16:58<MrFrood>E0x: if you use cd/dvd1 you don't need a network connection for a basic install
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16:59<MrFrood>eric_: have you tried asking them?
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16:59<eric_>i posted on the forum
16:59<Romeo>Do you like Linux?
16:59<E0x>MrFrood: heh, thanks
16:59<eric_>still awating a responce
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17:00<eric_>someone there had a similar issue
17:00<eric_>but on a powerbook g4
17:00<Romeo>e ai?
17:00<MrFrood>E0x: pay attention to the yellow boxes in the download setion of the debian web-site
17:00<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:01<Romeo>How to install flash plugin in puredyne?
17:01<E0x>MrFrood: download CD/DVD don't answer or solve my problem but thanks anyway
17:01<jhutchins_lt>Romeo: wtf is putedyne?
17:01<jhutchins_lt>Romeo: wtf is puredyne even?
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>Romeo: What is it?
17:02<MrFrood>E0x: what are you trying to do?
17:02<Romeo>I dont know
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17:02<jhutchins_lt>!based on debian
17:02<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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17:03<jhutchins_lt>Romeo: If you are interested in installing debian we would be happy to help with that.
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17:03<E0x>MrFrood: i am trying help another person who look like all network is OK but the only thing need to test is the internet conection , true he can download complete dvd/cd but will wasting time
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17:04<MrFrood>E0x: liveCD ?
17:04<E0x>network install
17:04<E0x>err netinstall
17:05<MrFrood>eric_: try the netinstall disk- if it works you have a network connection
17:05<MrFrood>er that was for E0x
17:06<eric_>i have internet just fine
17:06<eric_>im lost?
17:06<MrFrood>eric_: that was for E0x sorry
17:06<E0x>MrFrood: "netinstall -disk" from the console tty ?
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17:07<MrFrood>no, just try and use the disk to do an install, it will either work on not work
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17:08<E0x>that is the thing , it get stalled updating
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17:08<E0x>the db
17:09<MrFrood>E0x: so use CD1 or DVD1 then instaed of the netinstall
17:09<E0x>ok, i will give him the bad news
17:09<E0x>thanks again MrFrood
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17:18<Black_Prince>I tought tarzan was still in jungle
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17:52<abcd82>when you need load module/driver there is possibility to pass options, where i can find what options module supports? dig in kernel source?
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17:52<sney>abcd82: modinfo will often give you clues
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17:54<abcd82>i'l check, ty
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19:20<Talsino>que tal amigos, saludos
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19:20<Talsino>soy de chile, y hace 2 dias me instale debian SQ
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19:22<Talsino>amigos, hace 2 dias me instale debian squeeze, que opinan del?
19:22<Talsino>me lo instale por el netisntal
19:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:30<Talsino>I need migrate to evolution.
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19:33<sney>nobody in #debian-es?
19:33<sney>what do you need to migrate? I've never used evolution
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19:34<Talsino>uso exchange en mi trabajo
19:34<Talsino>pero al querer tener linux necesito migrarme a algun programa
19:34<cthuluh>Talsino: did you ask in #debian-es ?
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19:34<cthuluh>Talsino: you have to seapk english here
19:34<Talsino>y el que conosco y me han comentando es el evolution
19:35<anus>what are you talking about ?
19:36<Talsino>I need use program for Email, I need replace outlook exchange
19:36<cthuluh>anus: this is a technical support channel, if you want to chat please join #debian-offtopic
19:36<Talsino>sorry, my english is bad.
19:36<cthuluh>Talsino: so what is the problem? did you *try* to use evolution with exchange?
19:37<cthuluh>you can't get help if you don't describe your problem
19:37<retrospectacus>Talsino: i've heard good things about KERIO as a exchange-server replacement
19:37<anus>ok tech
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19:38<Talsino>I need replace outlook exchange for any in debian
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19:39<cthuluh>so the client side?
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19:39<Talsino>a evolution : error conector exchange 5.5
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19:40<abcd82>Talsino, typically you first need to look what export options outlook exchange supports, and only then start to think where to import
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19:41<Talsino>I now
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19:42<Talsino>now use virtual box with windows and outlook
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19:43<sney>Talsino: there's also the channel #evolution on
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19:45<trosh>wondering if parted in squeeze needs special attention to align partitions to 4k boundaries?
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19:57<me>I want to install the network-manager from sid. Why doesn't it work? Here is my apt sources.list and preferences file
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19:58<sney>me: squeeze is now stable, so you have stable, unstable, and experimental in there ...
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19:59<me>sney: I know. I do not use testing. But what is the problem?
20:00<sney>what command are you using, exactly
20:00<me>sney: just "aptitude install", should upgrade it automatically...
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20:01<sney>me: try it with -t sid
20:01<me>sney: but even "aptitude -t unstable install network-manager" does not work. It says nothing to install/update, etc. and the stable version is still installed
20:01<sney>the argument given to -t needs to match what the release is called in preferences/sources
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20:02<me>sney: "aptitude -t sid install network-manager" also does not work.
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20:03<sney>me: hmm, maybe grab the package from, install with dpkg -i, then aptitude -f install to try and clean up whatever dependencies are needed
20:04<me>sney: sry.... but I do not want to use a nasty workaround. I want to keep all that apt stuff consistent
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20:05<themill>mixing squeeze and sid is not going to give you "consistent".
20:05<abcd82>when you pin stable(currently squeeze) in /etc/apt.conf you pin word "stable" or "squeeze"?
20:05<sney>the Debian Way solution, since you're using stable, is to backport it
20:06<sney>/msg dpkg ssb if you don't know how
20:07<me>themill: Normally I use testing (now stable for a short period of time) but sometimes when software doesn't work I use software from newer repos. Shouldn't make the system that unconsistent
20:08<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
20:08<me>abcd82: I got neither /etc/apt.conf, nor /etc/apt/apt.conf
20:08<themill>squeeze and sid have diverged a long way already. This isn't going to work out well.
20:08<me>themill: this is why I am going to wheezy these days
20:09<themill>except that is no in your sources.list
20:09<abcd82>me, no that was not for you, it was my question to others :)
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20:09<me>abcd82: lol, okay :)
20:10<dpkg><PerfDave> scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? <scooper> PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network
20:10<themill>abcd82: you should pin according to what you see in the output of "apt-cache policy". also, /msg dpkg stable sources.list
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20:11<me>themill: that is why I will update my sources.list soon
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20:13<me>would be great if someone had an idea why I can't upgrade my network-manager to unstable
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20:14<abcd82>themill, ty, so "squeeze" it is :)
20:14<sney>me: does it show in apt-cache policy network-manager?
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20:16<me>the output of "apt-cache policy network-manager":
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20:16<themill>me: I can find no documentation that supports your assertion that «Package: network-manager libnm-util1 network-manager-gnome» is valid syntax
20:16<me>sney: it looks like it cannot determine the pin in the preferences file
20:17<bones_was_here>hi er, when i use aptitude's curses interface, if i tell it to install updates for some packages, it drops the markauto flag on many (but not all) of them, which is quite a problem when there are lots of updates to be installed - is there a way to always preserve those flags unless i say otherwise?
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20:17<me>themill: It is, just checked "man apt_preferences". Search for the first sentence that matches the word "spaces"
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20:21<themill>me: you probably need "n=sid" not "a=sid". Check the output of "apt-cache policy".
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20:25<me>themill: lol that was one of my problems... when I enter "aptitude upgrade -V", it tells me now "[...] and 4 not upgraded." Before it didn't. You have solutioned one of my problems
20:26*themill isn't sure he feels pleased at having helped someone break their installation
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20:27<me>themill: lol... since n=sid makes more sense than a=sid since "sid" is not an archive but a codename I would not say you have broken my installation but more uncovered a problem that was existent before
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20:28<themill>me: mixing sid and squeeze is going to end in tears. Understand that #debian will just point-and-laugh when you break things and that you will get to keep both bits when it's broken.
20:29<me>goddammit... I will move to aptosid next week. Am sick of all this stuff.
20:30<themill>(over 25% of the source packages in sid and squeeze are different. they're not designed to work with each other)
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20:30<themill>aptosid doesn't really change the problem, just papers over the cracks.
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20:31<me>is unstable really that unstable?? :)
20:31<themill>yes. it's a moving target that you shouldn't expect to actually be in a consistent state on any given day
20:32<sney>occasionally it is usable enough for long enough that people start to get comfortable with it and think that it's a usable desktop OS
20:32<sney>and then the updates come down, and those people show up in here all panicked
20:32<sney>the highest I'd go on a system that I was actually trying to *use* is tum
20:33<jhutchins_lt>It's not intended to be a working release.
20:33<me>the software in unstable is not newer than those packages generally used in recent version of ubuntu, fedora, etc. And those systems are not that unstable
20:33<themill>me: they're also not well integrated
20:33<me>Or am I missing something?
20:33<jhutchins_lt>me: It's not their newness that's different.
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20:33<jhutchins_lt>me: It's the state of the collection as a whole.
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20:33<sney>there is more to sid's brokenness than the newness of the versions
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20:34<jhutchins_lt>me: When ubuntu or somebody uses those newer packages, they have made an attempt to integrate them into a whole release. Debian hasn't - the process starts from unstable and moves toward testing.
20:35<jhutchins_lt>me: Testing is intended to eventually be a working release - but it is known not to be at the start.
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20:35<sney>the result is a slower development cycle, but a more finished end product, and generally a more stable "stable"
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20:36<me>sney: didn't they think about a yearly release anyway for the future?
20:36<jhutchins_lt>Other distros have had releases that they knew were broken, and intended to fix them - eventually - after release.
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20:37<me>jhutchins_lt: thats why I avoid installing OSs upon the first days of release
20:37<jhutchins_lt>me: Got severely shot down. If we want scheduled releases, we can go with another distro. Debian's quality-based releases are what makes it special.
20:37<tharkun>Gentlemen i am having some isues with gdm3 on squeeze i am trying to ditch it in favour of gdm but aptitude will not let me. Is there a way to force aptitude do as told even when it might fubar the system?
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20:38<\3TATUK>Why does list the latest version as 3.5.16-5 but aptitude is reporting a security upgrade to a 3.5.16-6 version is available?
20:38<supness>any one here that can help with postfix not sending mail to the right place?
20:39<themill>tharkun: "aptitude install gdm gdm3-" doesn't do it for you?
20:39<me>jhutchkins_lt: You are right in some way. And that is what I appreciate very much about Debian (along with the Free Software phylosophy). On the other hand that extremely old software turns me off
20:39<tharkun>supness: #postfix
20:39<supness>ok thank you!
20:39<themill>dpkg: tell \3TATUK about cross-post
20:39<tharkun>themill: actually i was using the interactive version let me try your one liner
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20:40<tharkun>supness: be prepared to show your postconf -n and your relevant logs. also as soon as you enter type !welcome
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20:41<tharkun>themill: aptitude wants to get rid of gnome and all its dependencies :(
20:41<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
20:41<themill>dpkg: tell tharkun about unmarkauto
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20:41<\3TATUK>nothing comes up. i am valid in my social interactions.
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20:42<tharkun>themill: dpkg seems to be awol
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20:42<themill>hmm... do it again and we'll +b on one of the channels to stop you doing it several times per day ...
20:42<themill>tharkun: hardly
20:42<tharkun>no message on this end
20:43<themill>tharkun: ahh.. poor over worked bot. "/msg dpkg unmarkauto" and it will be fine
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20:48<tharkun>themill: thanks it seems it is working now but something complained about a version of a component of gnome-desktop-environment. Anyway it is working now
20:48<Winsen>hello everybody
20:49<sney>hi winsen.
20:49<tharkun>themill: BTW the Spanish translation of aptitude displays the Want to quit aptitude with the [yes] and [no] buttons when it should be [si] and [no] although the keyboard does work ok
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20:50<Winsen>i am seraching for knoppix distrib live cd iso for rescue, can you guive link please for the latest? thank you,
20:50<themill>tharkun: you probably should report that as a l10n bug using reportbug.
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20:51<Winsen>hi sney
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20:55<sney>Winsen: #debian does not exist to google things for you
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20:55<revolt|AW>where can i find list of kernels to chose on system start ?
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20:57<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110323, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-git13, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38 , stable 2.6.38: , stable 2.6.37: , stable 2.6.36: , longterm 2.6.35: , stable 2.6.35: , longterm 2.6.34: , longterm 2.6.33: , longterm 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.32: , longterm 2.6.27: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
20:57<sney>the kernels installed on your system can be seen with 'aptitude search "~ilinux-image"'
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20:58<sney>MrFrood: judd's kernels list is more relevant since it only shows the ones available in apt
20:58<cthuluh>dpkg: are you smoking crack?
20:58<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, cthuluh
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21:02<brinco>Every time I start debian I get the following message in dmesg "eth0: unable to apply firmware patch", searching on the net I find that installing the package firmware-linux-nonfree should solve the problem
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21:03<brinco>but I still get the message every time. And I feel that my network is slower (at least it took longer than usual loading a web page). Do you know what can I do?
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21:07<tharkun>themill: l10n bug ? with what package is associated with it?
21:07<tharkun>Also what language should i use on the bug report English or Spanish?
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21:09<me>tharkun: hebrew please
21:09<me>tharkun: or old greek
21:09<themill>tharkun: "reportbug aptitude" and one of the options you will be given is "l10n". Please write the bug report in English but explaining that there is a problem with the Spanish localisation.
21:10<tharkun>themill: ok will do asap which should be next weekend
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21:11<tharkun>me: i was thinking also on writing the bug report on cuneiform sumerian but i haven't got a nice font for that
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21:12<me>tharkun: ;)
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21:23<brinco>could someone help me, or give me some hint please?
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21:24<tharkun>!tell brinco about ask
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21:25<me>!tell me about ask
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21:26<agent1>anyone got to installed dropbox in amd64 any good guide how to will appreciate
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21:30<revolt|AW>hi once more
21:31<revolt|AW>where to see grub kernel list
21:31<revolt|AW>with one is on what position on startup ?
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21:32<brinco>Thank you. I'm using Debian Squeeze (clean install), My problem is that dmesg always displays the same message
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21:32<brinco> [ 0.767972] eth0: RTL8168d/8111d at 0xffffc90000678000, bc:ae:c5:90:e7:0d, XID 083000c0 IRQ 28
21:32<brinco>[ 0.781248] eth0: unable to apply firmware patch
21:32<brinco>and my nertwork card is slower than usual
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21:32<agent1>having trouble with dropbox on amd64
21:33<agent1>need some guidance anyone
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21:34<me>revolt|AW: I think you are looking for /boot/grub or /etc/grub.d/
21:34<brinco>I installed firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-realtek but i still have the same problem. Thanks in advance
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21:35<revolt|AW>me yes but where is the file where are wroten all kernels ?, need it becouse on startup on alix mb i dont see any action any startup
21:36<lee>brinco, what problem do you have?
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21:36<me><revolt|AW>: Are you using grub 1 or 2?
21:37<revolt|AW>no idea ;)
21:37<revolt|AW>where to check it ?
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21:38<brinco><lee>, thank. I always get the message eth0: unable to apply firmware patch
21:39<brinco>and my network card is slower
21:39<lee>brinco, there´s currently a bug in the kernel 2.6.32-31 that doesn´t allow the firmware to be applied
21:40<lee>it´s Bug#619173
21:40<brinco>ok, thank you very much
21:40<lee>I reported the problem yesterday or so, and the maintainer is working on it
21:40<me><revolt|AW>: enter "aptitude show grub-pc" and check what version it is and if it is installed
21:40<lee>if it works as is, you should be fine --- if not, you can get another driver from realtek
21:41<brinco>like i told you my network card still works
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21:41<brinco>but slower that it's supposed to.
21:42<brinco>thank you again.
21:42<agent1>anyone got to work dropbox on amd64 need little help
21:42<lee>brinco: you´re welcome :)
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21:44<me><revolt|AW>: If you are using Grub 2 (1.98.x) the boot images are located at /boot and the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg determines what images are shown/loaded, etc. on startup
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21:47<lee>Is anyone here using a trackball?
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21:49<abrotman>i own one?
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21:49<me>!tell lee about ask
21:51<abrotman>that was effective!
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21:53<lee>which one do you have?
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21:54<abrotman>logitech .. it might even be usb .. but you should really ask a better question
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21:54<lee>Since my Logitech Trackman Marble FX is about 15 years old and starts to wear out a little, I´m thinking about getting a replacement. So I´m wondering how well a "Kensington Expert Mouse" might work for me.
21:54<abrotman>oh .. i have the logitech two button model
21:54<lee>What would you think is a better question? :)
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21:55<abrotman>i thought maybe you wanted to make it work .. like an OS questoin :)
21:55<trosh>Lee: Logitech trackman wheel working well for me
21:55<abrotman>lee: i actually saw a cool pivot mouse a few weeks ago
21:57<lee>trosh: Can you use that with your left hand?
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21:58<trosh>lee: the shape of it would not suit a lefty
21:59<lee>abrotman: I´m really looking for a trackball, a mouse won´t be very practical
21:59<lee>trosh: I need on I can use with my left hand. It would be a lot easier otherwise ...
22:00<abrotman>lee: it's not really a mouse .. google 'pivot mouse' to see what i mean
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22:01<father0fnine>When installing Debian and I choose some of the predefined... "types" like nfs... where can I go to find a list of packages that are added for each of those check boxes?
22:02<father0fnine>you know, in case I want to go back and add a role?
22:02<lee>abrotman: yeah, I just did, it looks like a mouse that pivots instead of sitting fixed on a surface.
22:02<abrotman>right ...
22:02<abrotman>i can see it being useful for graphics or games ...
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22:04<lee>according to, you still would move a pivot mouse around on your desk. That´s exactly what I don´t want: having something to move around on my desk.
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22:06<abrotman>oh okay .. i thought it was stationary .. working like a joystick of sorts
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22:10<lee>Well, what I´m wondering about in particular is how convenient or inconvenient a "Kensington Expert Mouse" is for use with X11 because I´ll be using at least three of its four bottons. The arrangement of those buttons could turn out not be very practical.
22:10<abrotman>you just have to map them all i would imagine
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22:11<sney>as long as it behaves like a normal joystick or other input/event device, X should be able to handle it. If Kensington makes you use some kind of proprietary software kludge to use it, that might not be the case ...
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22:13<lee>Hm, I haven´t thought yet that I might have problems mapping the buttons ... that´s a possibility. What I´ve been thinking about is how feasible it is to, for example, hold a button and at the same time turn the ball with that particular trackball. Which button that is shouldn´t matter too much for I thought I could just map them as I need.
22:14<sney>should just be akin to, for instance, me using a button and the trackpoint on my laptop at the same time to scroll up and down
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22:15<lee>sney: the Kensington I´m thinking about has a scroll ring, so that should work well enough :)
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22:16<lee>If they were still making the Trackman Marble FX, I´d just get another one. So far, the Kensington seems to be the only one with a potential to replace the Logitech ...
22:17<sney>yeah, I just mean re: simultaneous button and xy movement
22:18<lee>then we might be refering to the same thing
22:18<lee>I can do that with the one I have now, and I´m wondering how well that works with the one I might buy
22:18<sney>what's with all the bold
22:19<sney>you bolded 3 of your previous 7 lines
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22:21<lee>sorry, I didn´t know I did, and I´ve no idea how to do that
22:21<lee>they look all the same to me
22:22<abrotman>if you hit .. uhm .. ctrl-b in some clients, it will bold them?
22:22<lee>dunno, I just installed quassel and am trying it out now
22:23<sney>well if it's accidental I suppose it's no big deal
22:23<lee>it would be good to know what I did so it doesn´t happen again ...
22:24<lee>but I better go to sleep, it´s late
22:24<lee>have good night ...
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23:31<unixa_>Help me save a file all of everything that is printed between the time of loading grub and starting 'X'.
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23:32<unixa_>/var/log/boot is written not from the very start the download, I'm interested in the line above.
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23:34<TodOdd>hello everyone. I am having an issue. I forgot the root password for a box. I know I can go in through grub and modify the password shadow file just curious how I can mount the drive in grub?
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23:39<unixa_>Do you speak English?
23:40<unixa_>help me to correctly translate the English phrase:
23:40<unixa_>Help me save a file all of everything that is printed between the time of loading grub and starting 'X'.
23:41<unixa_>/var/log/boot is written not from the very start the grub, I'm interested in the line above.
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