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00:17<this_is_me>unfortunately, I am not able to connect to UMTS using nm... do you have any idea why?? syslog:
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00:31<tiako>Im having problems getting GNOME or KDE to work out of install.
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01:55<SgrA>How do I modify xorg.conf so that it uses nouveau?
01:58<streuner__>Driver "nouveau" or just remove any other driver other than nouveau
01:58<gsimmons>SgrA: Without any Xorg configuration defined, it should be used by default.
01:59<SgrA>hm ok
01:59<SgrA>lemme try
01:59<SgrA>Now I have 5 errors:
02:00<SgrA>Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
02:00<jm_>use a pastebin
02:00<SgrA>I'm on a text terminal, how can I use one?
02:00<SgrA>I'm having to type those out.
02:00<jm_>pastebinit, gpm, screen ...
02:01<SgrA>hm the former is useful tool o_O
02:02<SgrA>I pasted Xorg.0.log which will certainly be more helpful in troubleshooting.
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02:04<SgrA>streuner__ / gsimmons > here is the Xorg.0.log
02:04<jm_>PanelID returned panel resolution -494x-29972
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02:05<SgrA>jm_: Its probably because I just got rid of xorg.conf?
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02:06<jm_>SgrA: no, it seems it can't get DDC data from your monitor - has this ever worked? what kind of monitor is it?
02:06<SgrA>Its a Samsung decent thing which worked till 4 hours ago.
02:07<jm_>it's odd it doesn't work - nouveau fails because of some DRM failure or whatever, is KMS enabled?
02:07<SgrA>For some reason, I decided to try the Gallium3d Noveau and got rid of nVidia which was incomplete. I had a powerout meanwhile, and when it came back I had wildly flickering display with GDM starting. Had to move /etc/rc?.d/{S,K}20gdm
02:07<SgrA>Now I have this text stuff you see.
02:08<SgrA>I'm using the stock kernel so it must be.,
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02:08<jm_>what's the screen resolution in console?
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02:08<jm_>so no KMS by default then
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02:09<SgrA>So I have to recompile kernel with KMS? D:
02:09<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
02:10<jm_>KMS is enabled by default on Linux in Debian kernels from Squeeze on, so no hand modification should be necessary. KMS is required for using the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package.
02:10<jm_>this is what the wiki says
02:10<SgrA>Hm its hard to browse out with links at 80x25 so really can't to much wikis
02:10<jm_>maybe check what the kernel says (dmesg)
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02:11<SgrA> < dmesg
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02:14<gsimmons>SgrA: Do you still have the proprietary driver packages installed? nvidia-kernel-common blacklists nouveau.
02:15<Es0teric>does anyone know anything about varnish?
02:15<Es0teric>in here
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02:16<Es0teric>i am trying to speed up my http server... and its loading really slow
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02:17<jm_>yeah that load nvidia kernel module heh
02:18<jm_>no wonder nouveau fails
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02:19<SgrA>I changed my mind again realizing that debian wont supply Gallium3d immediately
02:20<SgrA>I think I'll go back to nVidia proprietary for my main box and may be later build a gentoo for the experiments.
02:21<SgrA>So, what should be my course now?
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02:25<jm_>enable nvidia driver in xorg.conf
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02:53<gucci>new to linux i installed mintppc 9.2 on an ibook g4 and my sound wont work
02:53<Fastidius>Is there still a build essential package? '
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02:53<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>.
02:53<Fastidius>probably need to setup alsa
02:53<gucci>it looks like i have the right module but its still not working
02:53<jm_>gucci: ^^^^
02:53<gucci>how would one go about that?
02:54<jm_>Fastidius: yes
02:54<jm_>gucci: did you read what the bot said? it told you which IRC server/channel to use
02:54<gucci>mintppc is not linux mint
02:54<gucci>its based on debian
02:54<jm_>based on debian is not supported in #debian
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02:54<dpkg>Linux MintPPC is a GNU/Linux distribution for <PowerPC> systems based on <Linux Mint> LXDE. It is not supported in #debian.
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02:55<Fastidius>what is the apt-get packages for kernel mod compiling......gcc make kernel headers anything else?
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02:57<Fastidius>yep great support channel,
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03:02<jm_>yes, you're welcome too
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03:17<supness>I am trying to install DKIM-Filter. Does anyone know where my DNS Zone file is located? Please, and thank you.
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03:34<mehdi_>guys i dl firefox4 tarball and how can i upgrade my old one with new ?
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03:36<jm_>mehdi_: we don't support using non-debian packages here
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03:50<Snafu>Hi, I would like to boot a debian from a USB-Stick into RAM, but be able to permanently install applications needed (maybe with an additional command). Usecase would be a router.
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03:51<ottoshmidt>hello everybody, yesterday aptitude autoremove removed some of the packages which I don't remember and today I found out that X won't start
03:52<ottoshmidt>I used to have nvidia non-free drivers, but now I can't even make it work with free dries
03:52<vtts>check /var/log/dpkg.log
03:52<jm_>or aptitude logfile
03:52<^Ag3nt>please try to reinstall the nvidia drivers
03:52<ottoshmidt>jm_, where is aptitude log file?
03:53<jm_>ottoshmidt: /var/log, like most other logs
03:54<^Ag3nt>Snafu try this http:// d-i.pascal . at/
03:55<^Ag3nt>Installing Debian from a USB memory stick
03:55<jm_>Snafu: you mean you want your FS in RAM too? grml is based on debian and has load_to_ram option
03:57<Snafu>Yeah, I meant havin the FS in RAM. Unfortunatly the Transferrate of the USB-Stick is painfully slow (1MB/s) which makes even browsing though the directories sluggish.
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03:59<vtts>Snafu, well you could do "find /" this would cache all directory entries and that would be something like a "transfer to ram"
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04:05<Xabbu>jm_, grml seems to be an interesting idea.
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04:05<jm_>Xabbu: it's very nice yes
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04:22<ottoshmidt>there was xfonts-unifont that had been removed by aptitude yesterday, reinstalled it now but X won't start anyway
04:23<ottoshmidt>it says
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04:24<ottoshmidt>failed to load module "nv"
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04:25<ottoshmidt>[drm] failed to open device, open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory
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04:26<ottoshmidt>no clues?
04:30<jm_>ottoshmidt: nv is old stuff, are you sure you're using that?
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04:31<jm_>[drm] failed to open device - that might come from nouveau if nvidia non-free module is loaded
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04:32<ayaka>I how to know how to set a red5 server,I follow the guide but no use
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04:52<morou>Are the eny problems with build the deb package on 64 bit system from source witch was createtd deb for 32 bit system?
04:52<morou>sorry for my english is not perfect:)
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04:56<ayaka>morou, build 32 deb in amd64?
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04:58<devil>morou: you probably want pbuilder
04:59<morou>hmm i have source ... and from this source was created deb on 32 bit system
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04:59<bobry>folks, can anyone give me an example of a package using `3.0 (quilt)` format? for some reason, my patches are applied twice -- first, after the sources are extracted and second, after dh_clean
04:59<morou>no i must create debs from this same source but for 64 bit system
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05:00<morou>will have any problems with that?
05:00<ayaka>morou, well,depend the source
05:01<morou>ayaka: ok what can be wrong ? if will be
05:01<morou>it will be difficult to repair that?
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05:01<morou>it is my first time of it
05:02<ayaka>morou, no install no problem you will fail before if have wrong
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05:05<morou>ok ... the debs createtd on the same source (never mind the are on 32 or 64 bit) can be install on debian and ubuntu ? when ubuntu is from debian and the packages on ubuntu and debian are .deb?
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05:06<jm_>morou: as far as format of the package goes, yes - but when it comes to dependencies etc. it usually won't work smoothly
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05:10<morou>ok .. you think thah its difficult to repair depencies of rebuilding pack form 32 to 64 bit from the same source?
05:10<morou>im not the programmer
05:11<ayaka>morou, ubuntu may not,not all debian can use in ubuntu
05:11<morou>ayaka: i ask now of one system... not debian=ubuntu
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05:12<morou>i ask of problems with rebuild 32>64 under one system
05:13<jm_>why do you need to repair dependencies?
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05:15<morou>I ask of it " if i will be some errors , howto repair this". its information for huture.... i will try to rebuilt the package todey...:)
05:15<morou>no dont have any problems
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05:19<jm_>well you need to install dependencies
05:21<morou>jm_: so the problem what i can have is only dependies wich I can install by apte-get?
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05:23<jm_>morou: normally yes
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05:25<ml|>depending on what you are doing, apt-get build-dep is your friend
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05:27<morou>ok i read a lot of google but everyware is instruction howto make pack from source... ok but dou you know any seample and the best maunals/incruction howto to make matapack for example gnome-core, the pack witch download and install others packs?
05:29<ml|>take a look at this...
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05:30<ml|>this should be better for you..
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07:07<Lantizia>Hey what is the default deconf priority level and how do I change it?
07:07<Nazcafan>are there howtos on how to recompile a debian package?
07:08<Nazcafan>(I need to change compiling options)
07:08<petemc> /msg dpkg package recompile
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07:15<themill>Lantizia: dpkg-reconfigure debconf
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07:16<Lantizia>themill, any way of changing it in a single line command? like an overriding environment variable?
07:17<themill>sure, man 7 debconf
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07:18<Lantizia>themill, No manual entry for debconf in section 7
07:19<themill>install the relevant package then
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07:19<Lantizia>themill, debconf is installed... there is no section 7 in that manual file though
07:20<jww_>Lantizia: you should miss some manuals so.
07:21<jm_>debconf-doc has it
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07:46<morou>cant install anythink becosue install-info has error, but dpkg _C dont repair anythink
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07:46<morou>what can i do?
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07:53<SynrG>morou: what error?
07:53<lech>i heve problem with atftp - it's work only with localhost clients and do'nt with any others
07:53<SynrG>atftp, or atftpd?
07:53<lech>sorry my bug
07:54<lech>of course atftpd
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07:54<morou>SynrG: thah install-info must be --reconfigure but when i do dpkg --reconfigure install-info get info thah system cant do thos becouse install-info has error
07:54<SynrG>i don't know the atftpd package, but it would be a reasonable default to only allow localhost access. read the doc, i guess
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07:54<SynrG>any /usr/share/doc/atftpd/README.Debian.gz to start with
07:54<lech>i have read this already
07:55<lech>it's no so configureable server
07:55<lech>no authentication
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07:55<SynrG>morou: sigh. *what error*? paste (if only a line or two) or use a pastebin
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07:55<lech>i think that it's no server error
07:56<SynrG>netstat -l
07:56<lech>becouse on client on localhost works
07:56<SynrG>see if it's listening for ANY or just localhost
07:56<jm_>or if it's started via inetd verify hosts.* files etc.
07:56<SynrG>that too
07:57<morou>dpkg: error processing install-info (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation scripr return error exit status2. Errors were enciuntered while processing: install-info
07:57<dpkg>morou: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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07:58<SynrG>morou: it looks like you're hand-typing the error. generally, cut-and-paste works better :)
07:58<lech>it's write everywhere that check hosts.* files
07:58<lech>it's ok
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07:58<morou>i have os with error on other comp on virtual box so its little difficult:)
07:59<lech>on netstat i have in active internet connections but without status
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08:00<morou>i have one more information: /etc/environment: line 2: unexpected EOF while looking for mathing ` ` and after that is what i wrore elier
08:00<SynrG>morou: virtualbox has shared folders that help here.
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08:00<SynrG>morou: you can paste output to a file in the shared folder. then pick up the file from the folder on the host OS and pastebin it
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08:01<SynrG>morou: also, virtualbox has some paste-buffer integration. check your configuration.
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08:02<SynrG>lech: what we want to see in netstat is any line matching 'ftp'
08:02<SynrG>e.g. *:ftp or *:ftp-data (or localhost:ftp, localhost:ftp-data)
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08:04<SynrG>ok. that's a false hit ...
08:05<SynrG>that's all? so:
08:05<SynrG>grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf
08:05<SynrG>(ignore anything about tftp)
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08:06<lech>i don't have normal ftp
08:06<lech>i need it?
08:08<SynrG>i don't understand how you would have a working localhost connection if the server isn't listening
08:08<SynrG>at this point i don't know how to fix it. i'm just gathering information from you
08:09<lech>i don't understanding it too but this suggest that server is working
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08:10<lee>lech, what´s ps xca |grep ftp saying while you´re connected?
08:11<lech>3 processes of atftpd
08:11<SynrG>lech: the default configuration of atftpd is to start it via inetd. when you installed it, did you use this default?
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08:11<lech>no i ude stand alone daemon
08:12<SynrG>aha. i misunderstood. this *is* a tftpd server
08:12<SynrG>so the netstat is correct
08:13<morou>ok i repaired it :D
08:13<SynrG>i.e. listening on the tftpd port for all IP#s
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08:14<lech>that's write *:tftpd so i thik yes
08:14<lech>but not listening
08:14<lech>no any status
08:14<SynrG>do you do any ip filtering on this box? e.g. by iptables?
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08:15<lech>iptables -I INPUT -i eth1 -p udp --dport 69 -j ACCEPT
08:16<lech>atftpd --daemon --bind-address --port 69 --logfile /root/atftplog /home/tftp
08:16<lech>it's start script
08:16<Black_Prince>atftp ?
08:16<Black_Prince>You want tftp server?
08:17<lee>lech, do you realize that ftp requires special support in firewalls?
08:17<lech>yes i want give my users in home lan netboot ubuntu
08:17<lech>server is debian
08:17<Black_Prince>lech, then for netboot it's easiest to setup tftpd-hpa
08:17<lech>i'm trying but i have the same problem
08:17<SynrG>lech: you're not using the standard init script supplied with atftpd?
08:17<Black_Prince>I use that ... I just needed to add two lines to dhcpd.conf file for that
08:18<Black_Prince>And put all files in /srv/tftp
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08:20<lech>dhcpd.conf is ok, but i can't use tftp in other machine than localhost with normal tftp client or netboot
08:20<lech>it's dificult situation becouse
08:20<Black_Prince>*sigh* ... tftpd listens on all addresses
08:21<Black_Prince>my subnet from dhcpd.conf
08:21<lech>for examle windows client can recognize that is server in second side and it's finding it
08:21<lech>but i can't get or put anything
08:22<SynrG>huh. i tried installing atftpd and accepted inetd configuration by mistake. i then tried dpkg-reconfigure atftpd to change this and it failed! /etc/default/atftpd still has it starting via INETD. after manually fixing, i start atftpd and it fails with this in syslog:
08:22<SynrG>/var/log/syslog:Mar 24 09:19:29 lear atftpd[15247]: atftpd: invalid IP address
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08:22<SynrG>screw it. purging atftpd
08:22<lech>in linux and windows is timeout
08:23<Black_Prince>SynrG tftpd-hpa works perfectly for me :)
08:23<lee>lech, does it work when you turn off all firewalling on the ftp server?
08:23<SynrG>Black_Prince: ya. the only time i ever needed something like this, i used the -hpa client and had no trouble
08:23<lech>but i have tftpd-hpa before and it have the same problem
08:23<SynrG>Black_Prince: flashing a router
08:24<Black_Prince>lech, have you looked at my subnet declaration in dhcpd.conf ?
08:24<lech>i can install it one time again if you want
08:24<Black_Prince>do you nave next-server and filename options there?
08:24<lech>only filename
08:24<Black_Prince>add next-server ... it should be ip of your router
08:24<Black_Prince>it's used to find file on that address
08:25<Black_Prince>after that, restart dhcpd, install tftpd-hpa, put files from netboot.tar.gz into /srv/tftp and try again
08:25<SynrG>if multiple tftpd servers fail, this suggests a system problem of some kind. possibly iptables ...
08:26<SynrG>iptables configuration is order-sensitive, don't forget.
08:26<lech>now i open it and i have naxt server
08:26<SynrG>so if an earlier rule prohibits access, your INPUT rule you pasted above may be ineffective
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08:26<lech>i know
08:26<SynrG>look for REJECT or DROP rules that might match that are running up packet counts
08:26<jm_>plus an input rule alone may not be enough
08:27<lech>ok i'm trying come back to tftp-hpa
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08:29<djelal>hi every body
08:29<djelal>i m new in linux
08:30<djelal>i want to know a little things of debian
08:31<lech>on tftpd-hpa is the same situation
08:32<lech>localhost is ok, other host not
08:32<lech>windows client recognized server but timeout
08:33<lech>i can't check netboot now becouse i using VM to talking to you
08:34<juhaj>Does anyone know any details about KDE 4.6 in sid?
08:34<ml|>djelal: /msg dpkg reference
08:34<ml|>djelal: /msg dpkg grounding
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08:38<lee>djelal, what would you like to know?
08:39<djelal>commandes if you can
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08:39<lech>i don't understand why one of most basic servers can't send anything outside local computer
08:40<lee>lech, you seem to have a firewall problem
08:40<lee>djelal, commands for what?
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08:42<djelal>i know just a little of debian ,for that i want to goward because in my job ,they request me that must knowing a little of debian
08:42<djelal>execuse me for my english
08:43<djelal>i understand english but i have defficult to exprime
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08:43<lech>iptables -I INPUT -p udp --dport 69 -j ACCEPT - this not enought?
08:44<lee>djelal, you might be best off installing Debian so have a test system to try things out
08:45<lee>lech: probably not. I don´t know in which way tftp is different from ftp, if it is at all. For ftp, you need special support in firewalls.
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08:45<lee>if you turn off the firewall and if it works then, you know where to look
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08:48<arinov>where can i get skype package for my x86_64?
08:48<lech>ok i switch off firewall and nothing
08:49<lech>root@serwer:~# iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
08:49<lech>root@serwer:~# iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
08:49<lech>root@serwer:~# iptables -F
08:49<dpkg>[skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from or use the sources.list line "deb stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead.
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08:51<lee>arinov, there´s only a 32bit version of skype, and it sucks
08:51<lee>lech, I´m not sure if that actually turns off the firewall? I´m using shorewall and haven´t messed with iptables since a long time ...
08:52<arinov>only 32 bit?
08:52*arinov is installing ekiga then
08:52<lee>good luck with ekiga ...
08:52<lech>in webmin i have not chcecked enable firewall
08:53<lee>hm, I´m not using webmin, either
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08:53<lee>I´m using vsftpd, and it works fine
08:54<lee>Did they rename openoffice to libre office?
08:54<lech>it can be tftp server?
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08:55<jm_>lee: it was forked
08:55<lee>oh --- what´s behind this forking?
08:55<lee>lech, I don´t know
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08:55<jm_>!libre office
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08:56<MrFrood>lee: have you been living in a cave, have you missed the whole Sun being taken over by Ocacle thing?
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08:57<lee>no, I haven´t heard any of that
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08:58<dpkg>LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is currently packaged in <testing>, replacing the packaging. #documentfoundation on
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08:59<MrFrood>a visit to google news and a couple of days worth of reading should bring you up to date ;)
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09:01<lee>hm, as long as it works, it shouldn´t matter much :)
09:03<MrFrood>should hopefully work better as the developers should be less restricted in what they can do...
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09:03<lee>my first impression is that it seems to be faster
09:04<MrFrood>would not know, don't use it
09:04<MrFrood>(either version)
09:05<jm_>probably because you're now using a newer version
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09:05<lee>it´s probably a good thing
09:05<MrFrood>sc for spreadsheets, vim for text and gwrite if I need pretty formatting
09:06<lee>sometimes, that isn´t enough --- or inconvenient
09:07<catsup>is gwrite a word processor?
09:07<MrFrood>my needs are basic - not for everyone I know
09:07<catsup>no one really needs a word processor
09:07<MrFrood>catsup: yes - has a nice equation editor too
09:07<lee>sometimes I´m doing tables in emacs. Org-mode works very nicely for that
09:08<catsup>formatting is just gimmickry
09:08<lee>does gwrite do tables within tables?
09:08<catsup>the more formatting it has, the less honest the writing
09:08<lee>formatting can be very important
09:09<lee>think of writing applications and resumes
09:09<MrFrood>lee: no idea I've never tried
09:09<lee>openoffice does
09:09<catsup>yes, applications and resumes -- dishonest writing -- full of gimmickry
09:09<catsup>or advertising
09:10<lee>what I´m still missing is a good database app --- like MS Access
09:10<MrFrood>gwrite was the lightest dedicated WP I could find with a decent equation editor
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09:10<lee>openoffice doesn´t work so well for that, koffice keeps crashing
09:10<catsup>but when it comes to actually communicating about important things -- when you're trying to get shit done, rather than impress somebody with visual tricks -- text is usually all you need -- and html is always more
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09:11<lee>yeah, I agree
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09:11<lee>just for some things, you need stuff like openoffice or gwrite or whatever
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09:12<lee>for "normal use", I prefer emacs
09:12<MrFrood>plain text does not do too well with complex mathematical equations
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09:12<catsup>well, you mean when some idiot in power decides you 'need' it, then you 'need' to do what the power-idiot says
09:12<catsup>MrFrood: but html does
09:13<lee>Well, I´m not using complex mathematical equations ...
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09:13<lee>latex should be good for that
09:13<MrFrood>catsup: gwrites native file file format is html5
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09:14<MrFrood>lee: gwrite uses latex for equation editing
09:15<catsup>my sister is required to take a philosophy course in ethics in order to get a nursing degree, and they require word documents for assignments
09:15<lee>that´s cool
09:15<jww_>catsup: doh.
09:15<catsup>it uses latex to render images and puts those in html?
09:15*MrFrood giggles
09:15<MrFrood>catsup: yes
09:15<lee>and they are paying for the computer and software involved?
09:15<catsup>lee: no
09:15<catsup>of course not
09:15<lee>they´d have to
09:16<catsup>well, no, they don't have to
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09:16<lee>when they require things like that, it´s their problem
09:16<catsup>they don't pay for books either
09:16<MrFrood>I'd sue them
09:16<catsup>'they' is really just the guy teaching the class
09:16*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
09:17<lee>well, you can always give him some pdf
09:17<lee>he should be able to read that
09:17<catsup>he said no
09:17*MrFrood is in off-topic
09:17<catsup>no pdf, no html, no rtf
09:17<catsup>me too
09:18<MrFrood>lee: catsup: #debian-offtopic
09:18*lee tries to enter ...
09:19<catsup>oh shit, i wasn't there
09:19<catsup>wrong network
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09:58<father0fnine>When installing Debian and I choose some of the predefined... "types" like nfs... where can I go to find a list of packages that are added for each of those check boxes?
09:59<father0fnine>you know, in case I want to go back and add a role?
09:59<dpkg>tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>.
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10:02<father0fnine>petemc> Thanks you :)
10:04<maxb>I am experiencing a weird problem. "apt-get source ntp" is selecting a version which is *not* the highest version available in configured apt sources. How might I attempt to debug this?
10:04<bluenemo>if sbd here has gdm too, can you please look at system - appearence - fonts and tell me the default font names? i messed up with them :)
10:04<bluenemo>also the sizes would be fine :)
10:05<mutante>maxb: you do have seperate lines in apt.sources for "source"? as opposed to the regular ones
10:05<maxb>Yes. Also, 'apt-cache showsrc ntp' displays both versions - but apt is chosing the one with the lower version
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10:06<mutante>maxb: maybe apt-pinning configured? /etc/apt/preferences ?
10:06<themill>maxb: you're doing this on lenny?
10:07<maxb>No apt pinning at all
10:07<maxb>The system is a nearly clean install of squeeze running under kvm
10:07<themill>maxb: so what version is it downloading and what version do you want it to download?
10:08<maxb>dpkg --compare-versions confirms that I'm understanding the version ordering correctly
10:08<dpkg>maxb: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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10:08<maxb>It's downloading 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1 from instead of 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1wammux1 (a customized source that I am trying to build) from an internal reprepro instance
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10:09<mutante>aha, so maybe you do have to use apt-pinning to make your internal repo be prefered?
10:09<maxb>No. No pins in existence.
10:09<mutante>maybe you them though?
10:10<themill>maxb: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ntp"?
10:10<Shicoy>Hello! Where i can download Debian 5.0.8 (not 6.0.x). Better if torrent.
10:10<themill>dpkg: tell Shicoy about install lenny
10:10<mutante>shrug, but usually we had different package names , like $mycompany-ntp for packages in internel repo
10:10<mutante>to avoid problems like that, i guess
10:11<themill>maxb: apt will respect "Default-Release" if you have that set (that's a form of pinning too). If it's comparing binary versions as opposed to source versions, then the binnmu of ntp (+b1 at the end of the version string) will make it a higher version than your private source
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10:12<maxb> <--- policy
10:12<themill>maxb: "apt-get source package=version" will still work.
10:12<maxb>themill: I think it must be the binnmu
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10:13<themill>maxb: that doesn't sound like the correct behaviour -- I would have expected it to be comparing source versions.
10:14<maxb>themill: Yup, it's the binNMU that broke the resolution - if I use "apt-get --only-source source ntp" it resolves correctly
10:14<maxb>also, gah
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10:14<maxb>I'd better mangle my modified version string to be greater than the binNMU too
10:15<maxb>Thanks for the nudge in the correct direction, anyway :-)
10:15<themill>yeah, might be easier.
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10:28<bg2>good day here :) can someone help me i setup postfix and imap but i can not recive mails just send this is a error from the mail.log : sorry, no mailbox here by that name
10:28<bg2>how i can fix this :)
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10:34<AzzA>Hello :o
10:34<AzzA>im having trouble with max files open
10:34<AzzA>i set limits.conf
10:34<AzzA>but ulimit -n shows 1024
10:34<AzzA>i even rebooted the server
10:34<AzzA>still the same
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10:36<AzzA>can anyone help me to get it working?
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10:37<legaman>hay alguien
10:37<themill>!es legaman
10:37<dpkg>legaman: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:40<slush>AzzA: If a hard limit or soft limit of a resource is set to a valid value, but outside of the supported range of the local system, the system may reject the new limit or unexpected behavior may occur.
10:41<AzzA>ohic :o
10:41<AzzA>whays the max limit for openfiles?
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10:46<slush>AzzA: not sure, but values need to be in 1024-byte increments
10:47<lee>afair, the max number of open files used to be configurable through a file in proc
10:48<AzzA>it was set and working
10:48<AzzA>then today it stopped working :S
10:48<lee>what stopped working?
10:48<slush>lee: he means the limit got reset to 1024, where it was set higher before
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10:49<lee>it´s an interesting question
10:50<lee>since the max in the kernel is probably way more than 1k
10:50<lee>lee@yun:~$ lsof |wc -l
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10:54<lee>there´s some place where ulimit limits are being set for users. Where was that?
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10:56<maxb> /etc/security/limits.conf ?
10:57<lee>hm, probably --- I remember setting the stack size limit to 64k, yet it´s not in that file
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11:07<tiako>What is the best way to install gnome3?
11:09<sney>probably some combination of ssb and uupdate, though unknown if it'll really translate
11:09<supness>I am trying to install DKIM-Filter. Does anyone know where my DNS Zone file is located? Please, and thank you.
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11:10<tiako>So.. gnome3 would be a bitch to install
11:10<tiako>What about the latest KDE?
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11:13<sney>#debian-kde would know better, though they probably won't answer right away. just wait
11:13<joel>where can i see the status of a debian bug?
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11:13<sney>joel: at
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11:14<lee>supness: /etc/bind
11:15<lee>supness: as far as I understood it, you can only do that if you actally have control over your DNS entries that are visible to the outside world
11:15<l4s>am new with debian
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11:16<petemc>supness: /var/cache/bind/ commonly
11:16<lee>hi l4s
11:16<lee>or is there another way to use dkim?
11:16<l4s>hallo lee am just getting started with debian any idea on how i can go about it?
11:17<lee>l4s: did you already install it?
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11:17<lee>l4s: then how about just using it? Or is there something specific you would like to do?
11:18<ovov>hello everybody
11:18<lee>hi ovov
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11:18<l4s>configure it for mail,ftp/web/dns services
11:18<ovov>are you leeshuqing?
11:19<lee>ovov: no, never used that nick
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11:19<lee>l4s: I´d start with setting up DNS
11:19<ovov>i am sorry ,i made a mistake
11:19<lee>ovov: np
11:19<lee>l4s: see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/DNS-HOWTO.gz
11:19<lee>it´s a good point to start
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11:20<lee>once you understand DNS, you can set up exim
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11:20<petemc>or even before!
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11:21<lee>however, you´ll either need to use a smarthost or have a static IP with RDNS on it to get it to work for sending outgoing mail, and some suitable DNS entry to receive incoming mail
11:21<ovov>i've configed dns under ubuntu
11:21<lee>I never tried ubuntu
11:22<lee>is it any different?
11:22<jww_>does anyone installed firefox4 in squeeze ? I can't find any debian packages.
11:22<l4s>checking out
11:22<lee>jww_: iceweasel?
11:22<ovov>i think ubuntu is the most simple linux
11:22<lee>aren´t they using bind9 for ubuntu?
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11:23<jww_>lee: umm no firefox 4 :)
11:23<lee>so that should be pretty much the same then
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11:24<lee>jww_: dunno then, I´m using konqueror with webkit, which works fairly well
11:24<lee>it´s missing some features, though
11:24<lee>I never liked firefox
11:24<jww_>I use uzbl, which use webkit too.
11:24<jww_>but I wanted to give a try to ff4.
11:25<ovov>but i have been using firefox
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11:25<ovov>i like the firefox plus-ins
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11:26<ovov>i think they are pretty
11:26<lee>l4s, when setting up exim, imho you´re best off copying over /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf and modify that file
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11:26<l4s>lee reason
11:26<ovov>how do you think of blacktrack
11:27<jhutchins_lt>lee: Why wouldn't you use dpkg to configure it?
11:27<lee>unless you have some special needs to have the config change automagically by itself, it´s a lot easier to handle and has the advantage that you do know what you´ve configured and that it remains the way you configured it
11:27<sney>I think it's really appealing to kids who want to be hackers, but there's nothing backtrack can do that you can't make Debian or any other linux OS do
11:27<lee>why would you use dpkg to configure exim?
11:28<lee>what I suggest is only my preference. If something else works better for you, use it :)
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11:29<jhutchins_lt>lee: It uses sane defaults without having to understand the full complexity of the configuration file(s).
11:29<catsup>jww_: firefox is easy to install without a package. you can even put it in your home directory.
11:29<lee>those defaults probably won´t work for the particular setup one has
11:30<lee>Exim has excellent documentation which not only allows you to learn how to set up exim but also allows you to learn a lot about how email processing with an MTA works.
11:31<lee>for example, what´s default for queue_only_load?
11:32<lee>can you figure that out from the automagic configuration?
11:32<lee>... let alone set it ... I never figured out how to get it to work with the automagic config.
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11:33<lee>it´s just too complicated, and you don´t even get a configuration file where you can look up things
11:34<jww_>cat I just tried that.
11:34<jww_>catsup: sound like it doesn't looks in ./ for libs.
11:35<catsup>erm, it will find the libs
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11:35<catsup>just make a symlink to the 'firefox' shell script
11:35<catsup>somewhere in your $PATH
11:35<jww_>I did not :\
11:35<catsup>you can install it anywhere that way
11:35<jww_>I mean it did not.
11:36<grummund>Hi, i'm on lenny and would like to get a single file from a squeeze package which i know the name of, what's the best way to achieve that?
11:36<catsup>did you launch it using the firefox script?
11:36<sney>grummund: download the deb from and unpack it
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11:36<jww_>catsup yes.
11:37<catsup>you don't have to cd to use it
11:37<catsup>it's designed to find its own installation location
11:37<jww_>catsup: I think I'm and you right ;)
11:37<catsup>you're what?
11:37<l4s>loving this
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11:38<jww_>I'm wrong sorry. I need to get some sleep !
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11:38<catsup>oh! well at least your firefox works :)
11:38<jww_>it miss to works.
11:38<catsup>oh right, well that isn't included
11:38<jww_>I have it installed in /usr/lib/
11:38<joel>sorry i am a newbie i would want to know if debian bug #603544 is already fixed or not? thanks
11:39<catsup>well something is wrong with your dependencies, i guess that is the problem with not using packages!
11:40<jww_>I almost always use packages.
11:40<catsup>me too
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11:41<jhutchins_lt>grummund: What's recommended, if the package is not available in backports, is that you rebuild it to work explicitly with lenny.
11:42<jhutchins_lt>grummund: The process is called "ssb", and is intended for backporting packages from sid, but you can use squeeze or wheezy sources as well
11:42<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:42<grummund>jhutchins_lt: i just need a single file (for reference)
11:42<jhutchins_lt>grummund: Mixing releases can have unintended consequences, leading to system meltdown.
11:42<jhutchins_lt>grummund: What file do you need?
11:42<grummund>jhutchins_lt: yes, but that's not what i'm doing
11:42<prasad>any 1 knows about libebb a library to parse http request in C
11:43<grummund>jhutchins_lt: /etc/init.d/skeleton is one
11:43<grummund>package initscripts, how do i download that?
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11:44<FransUrbo>Debian on RO media? Does this work now, and what do I do?
11:44<jhutchins_lt>Should already be in lenny.
11:45<jhutchins_lt>FransUrbo: Like a live CD?
11:45<grummund>it is, i would like to see the version in squeeze
11:45<FransUrbo>jhutchins_lt: Kinda... I'd like to install on a USB disk and then 'break' it so it can't be written to...
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11:45<grummund>sney: sorry, i found the package at but don't see a way to download it from there, is that what you meant?
11:46<jhutchins_lt>grummund: I would download the SOURCE deb and unpack it. The squeeze package has significantly different dependencies.
11:46<grummund>jhutchins_lt: how?
11:46<jhutchins_lt>FransUrbo: Use one of the live images - they can be used on USB.
11:47<meglaw>kunde vart mysigare
11:47<FransUrbo>jhutchins_lt: Ok, just dd it to the USB device?
11:47<jhutchins_lt>grummund: I'm not sure how to do that manually, Bit sure what the path is.
11:47<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
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11:48<jhutchins_lt>grummund: Hang on a bit...
11:48<FransUrbo>jhutchins_lt: Perfect, thanx a lot!
11:48<SynrG>FransUrbo: what degree of protection against writing do you need?
11:48<SynrG>FransUrbo: a determined user will still be able to write, but by default, nothing is written
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11:49<FransUrbo>SynrG: It should be possible to remove the write pin on the USB port, and therefor disable any writes to the OS...
11:49<SynrG>FransUrbo: for example, because the user has sudo access by default, they can mount and modify filesystems
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11:49<SynrG>FransUrbo: that's one kind of write protection, yes.
11:50<SynrG>FransUrbo: what about the underlying system the key runs on? nothing writable there?
11:50<FransUrbo>SynrG: This is going to be my firewall. No users etc and active rules to block any multi-pings etc, etc...
11:50<FransUrbo>SynrG: That was the plan. Make the whole disk hardware RO (and hence the FS as well)...
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11:50<SynrG>FransUrbo: you probably want to build a custom image for that
11:51<SynrG>FransUrbo: see and also #debian-live on this network
11:51<FransUrbo>SynrG: That was what I was planning - do an install on the USB disk, do all modifications etc I need and then modify the port...
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11:52<jhutchins_lt>grummund: How's that?
11:52<SynrG>FransUrbo: with live-build it would be slightly different: make a config containing your modifications, do a build, now you have a preconfigured image ... and one that can be brought up-to-date later using the same config just by rebuilding against an updated archive.
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11:52<SynrG>FransUrbo: important for your security updates, etc.
11:53<FransUrbo>SynrG: I'm looking right now, thanx! Looks promising...
11:53<grummund>jhutchins_lt: thanks for that. i'm still looking how to download packages manually though...
11:53<SynrG>FransUrbo: feel free to drop by our channel to discuss further :)
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11:59<jww_>catsup: It seems the binary is 32bits, that why I get problems.
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12:02<gob_bluth>does anybody know if a debian 6 puppet client is compatible listening to a debian 5 puppet master puppetmaster ? cause i'm having som eissues connecting a new deb6 install to my puppet server
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12:04<jhutchins_lt>gob_bluth: Check the release notes/changelog for the client.
12:05<gob_bluth>where do i find that
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12:05<catsup>jww_: ahh, i see
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12:07<gob_bluth>it's not compatible is it
12:07<gob_bluth>it keeps complaining about did not recieve cert
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12:10<jww_>catsup: it's fixed now :)
12:10<catsup>how'd you fix it?
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12:12<Omi>how do you fix a pcm_null error
12:12<Omi>which caused a segfault?
12:12<Omi>I know this is a audio thing..
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12:12<Omi>I am running squeeze on i386
12:12<Omi>Thanks alot
12:12<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
12:13<MrFrood>may work, may not
12:14<grummund>does "dpkg --unpack file.deb" unpack to the current directory?
12:14<Omi>thanks.. I will try alsactl..
12:17<Omi>my sound works but the segfault is only with skype
12:17<Omi>Does this mean I have to wait for the update in skype??
12:19<tjader>I have this machine with 2 interfaces. My default route is on interface 1, but I want outbound packets to use the IP assigned to interface 2. How can I do that?
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12:20<catsup>tjader: that doesn't make sense?
12:20<jhutchins_lt>Omi: Unlikely to be fixed in skype. Possibly the next kernel will have something.
12:21<lee>tjader: make interface 2 the default
12:21<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-1-686 (2.6.38-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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12:21<catsup>unless you mean you want to put the default route on the other interface
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12:22<tjader>lee: I can't, that machine is the router for the network that interface is connected
12:22<Omi>jhutchins_lt: I hope so.. :) I am tempted to purge all my sound and reinstall.. would that help and end the segfault?
12:22<catsup>are you trying to bridge the networks?
12:22<tjader>catsup: nope.
12:22<lee>tjader: What are you trying to achieve?
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12:23<tjader>this machine is the router, it has one interface connected to the upstream router and the other to the local network
12:23<lee>tjader: sounds ok
12:24<lee>what´s the problem with that?
12:24<tjader>It has 2 IP addresses, one in the upstream's net and one in the local one
12:24<joel>anyone had problems with slapd when upgrading from lenny to squeeze?
12:24<tjader>I want programs to use the local address as the source IP
12:24<tjader>mostly because I can control PTR records for them
12:25<lee>tjader: What happens when you make the 2nd interface the default?
12:25<tjader>lee: default how?
12:26<tjader>I can't put the default route on it
12:26<lee>sure you can
12:26<catsup>it sounds to me like the routing tables are already correct, and you are trying to do something that makes no sense
12:27<lee>machines on the LAN know how to reach their router
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12:27<lee>the router knows how to reach machines on the LAN and machines outside the LAN
12:27<tjader>lee: they know because they have the IP of the router configured on them
12:27<lee>yes, that´s how you usually do it
12:27<lee>they need to know what the router is
12:28<lee>you can set that manually or use DHCP ...
12:28<tjader>if I take the default route away from the upstream interface my router won't be able to route to it
12:28<catsup>if you send a packet with the local IP address to the non-local network, the recipient will not be able to reply... am i misunderstanding your desire?
12:28<lee>the default route is to route stuff the machine doesn´t know what otherwise to do with
12:29<tjader>catsup: sure it will
12:29<tjader>the local network uses globally routable ips
12:29<tjader>lee: yes
12:29<catsup>ok, but it will reply to the other interface
12:30<lee>you need a swtich then
12:30<tjader>when some machine in the local network sends some packet to a random ip and it reaches my router, if the default route is set to the local network it will do what?
12:30<catsup>erm wait i have misunderstood
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12:30<lee>tjader: you need a switch
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12:30<jww_>that firefox4 is FAST.
12:30<tjader>lee: I have a switch
12:30<lee>or masquerading
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12:31<tjader>lee: I don't need masquerading
12:31<lee>ah, not masqerading, but NAT
12:31<catsup>you don't need masquerading
12:31<catsup>nor NAT
12:31<tjader>nor nat
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12:31<lee>then how do you do that?
12:31<catsup>really both interfaces are on the same network...
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12:32<tjader>lee: I have a block of globally routable IPs
12:32<tjader>catsup: no
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12:33<lee>you want to have these IPs reachable through one interface?
12:33<tjader>upstream is on 2001:1291:200:117::/64, local is on 2001:1291:247::/48
12:33<catsup>yeah i don't mean that... not sure how to say what i mean... just that there's a route to the local network address through both interfaces
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12:33<tjader>I can reach both IPs from the outside
12:33<lee>how about routing every of these IPs?
12:34<tjader>but if I ssh somewhere from that machine it uses the upstream one, and I want it to use the local one
12:34<catsup>therefore, you should be able to do what you want
12:34<lee>I mean, you might need one route for each of the IPs involved so that it becomes know through which interface they can be reached.
12:34<tjader>catsup: I know I should be able to
12:34<tjader>I just don't know how
12:35<catsup>me neither, sorry :/ maybe adding the local IP to the other interface will do it, maybe that's not even possible.
12:35<lee>the thing that sits upstream needs to be told that your IPs are reachable through it first
12:35<tjader>lee that is done
12:35<catsup>lee: he's already got that
12:35<tjader>I can reach the machines on the local network
12:35<tjader>including the router
12:35<lee>then your machine with the two interfaces needs to be told how to reach the IPs
12:35<lee>from outside the LAN?
12:35<tjader>and all machines on the local network can reach the outside
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12:35<tjader>including the router
12:36<lee>ok, then what´s the problem?
12:36<tjader>the only problem is that the router uses the ip from upstream to reach the outside
12:36<tjader>I want it to use the local one
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12:37<lee>so, for example, the machine appears as to the outside?
12:37<tjader>So that, for example, when I connect on irc from that machine my hostname shows as the pretty one I chose, not
12:37<catsup>tjader: you could try what i suggest, i don't know whether it will work...
12:37<tjader>catsup: what did you suggest?
12:37<jhutchins_lt>tjader: You would have to arrange that with your ISP.
12:37<tjader>I didn't catch it :p
12:38<tjader>jhutchins_lt: or manage to connect from the local IP, which already has the PTR records set up
12:38<catsup>put the same IP on both interfaces
12:38<sret>anyone used GNU/HURD here?
12:38<sret>for debian
12:39<tjader>catsup: I will try that, thanks
12:39<jhutchins_lt>If you want outside traffic to be able to reach your routable ip's then the external network needs to know the route.
12:39<SynrG>sret: several years ago
12:39<tjader>jhutchins_lt: that is working
12:40<catsup>you will have to put the desired outbound IP as the primary IP for the address
12:40<sret>just wondering
12:40<catsup>for the interfaces
12:40<catsup>for the interface*
12:40<sret>HURD Is a unix like kernel right?
12:40<SynrG>yes. except microkernel instead of monolithic
12:40<lee>tjader: that needs to be fixed in the upstream device
12:40<sret>and debian offers this mach kernel for you instead of the usual linux kernel if you used HURD
12:40<tjader>catsup: I'm readint ip's man about how to do that
12:41<catsup>tjader: you just use another interface name like eth0:1
12:41<catsup>for extra IPs
12:41<sret>so from what im reading HURD is supposed to give you unix-like features
12:41<tjader>I jsut added the ip to the same interface and it worked
12:41<SynrG>not officially released, but yes
12:41<catsup>but it will always use for outbound the primary eth0, not aliases eth0:1 etc.
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12:41<sret>why do i need HURD for this, cant the linux kernel dothis on its own or can't the linux kernel be made to have unix-likfe features too?
12:41<catsup>oh great
12:42<lee>tjader: isn´t the upstream device doing some NAT which hides the IP you would like to use to the outside world?
12:42<catsup>lee: no! lol, he said that
12:42<tjader>lee: no
12:42<tjader>This IPv6, no nat.
12:42<SynrG>sret: there's a great gulf of ideology between those who accepted the monolithic design (linux) and those who believed microkernels were the future ...
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12:43<lee>tjader, catsup: Still I don´t understand why the IP is hidden.
12:43<sret>SynrG: right but why do i need to switch a whole kernel to get some unix features in linux
12:43<SynrG>sret: they both accomplish the same thing but in different ways. in theory, the microkernel is more robust in the face of failure of any of the services aroudn it
12:43<tjader>lee: the IP is not hidden
12:43<tjader>I can connect to it from the outside
12:43<SynrG>whereas a monolithic kernel will just oops and die
12:43<sret>SynrG: ok
12:43<lee>tjader: then you´re missing the DNS entry for it?
12:43<catsup>i am not sure there is a great ideological gulf...
12:44<SynrG>catsup: well, let's just say that those who worked on linux may have acknowledged that the microkernel was nice in theory, but for pragmatic reasons linux was the winning bet
12:44<SynrG>and from there on it becomes a matter of the hurd clinging to that ideal ...
12:44<catsup>the direction of design now is to shrink the linux kernel down into a microkernel piece by piece
12:44<sret>ok simply put if i wanted unix like stuff i'd have to use a mach kernel which is HURD?
12:45<SynrG>while most of the rest of the world ignores them and just uses linux
12:45<catsup>SynrG: not really.
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12:45<tjader>Just adding the IP to the network seems to have done the job
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12:45<catsup>tjader: fantastic :)
12:45<SynrG>catsup: "the term has been dismissed by some as simple marketing" ... sounds like an idealist speaking here :)
12:45<lee>tjader: Huh? What did you do?
12:46<catsup>SynrG: not at all
12:46<tjader>but I'm afraid the IP will be chosen randomly for each new connection
12:46<tjader>lee: I added the local address to the upstream interface
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12:46<dfh>catsup, is there a blueprint, wiki, any resources on that proposed design change in Linux?
12:46<tjader>I wgetted some page a few times and all of them used the same IP :)
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12:47<sret>linux is going to be a microkernel?
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12:47<catsup>dfh: LKML
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12:47<lee>tjader: That sounds all wrong to me. If I understand you right, you have a static IP, visible to the outside world. Now when you do RDNS on that IP, you get the wrong hostname as a result.
12:47<sret>i thought the whole debate about torvalds vs mimix was that he didnt want it to be microkernel
12:47<SynrG>catsup: wouldn't the die-hard hurdites tend to be dismissive of the hybrid kernel because that would clearly signal that they haev lost?
12:47<catsup>eh, no
12:47<lee>tjader: if that is true, you have a DNS problem ...
12:48<tjader>lee: I have 2 static IPs visible to the outside world
12:48<SynrG>then why continue developing the hurd today?
12:48<lee>tjader: which are?
12:48<tjader>I can change the PTR records for one of them, the other is out of my hands
12:48<catsup>i don't see why you have to frame things as a competition, but if you do, and you look at the evolution of linux design, it is becoming more-and-more microkernel-ish, as components are spun off into more-and-more-independent modules, although, not with a 'pure' message passing only interface
12:49<tjader>2001:1291:200:117::2 and 2001:1291:247::1
12:49<tjader>I can change the PTR record for the second one
12:49<SynrG>catsup: i'm only trying to make sense of the survival of the hurd in spite of remaining an "unproven" concept that has taken forever and failed to produce a working port in debian to date
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12:49<tjader>but the machine was using the first one for outbound connections
12:49<catsup>well the concept certainly isn't unproven
12:49<tjader>But it is working now.
12:50<catsup>it's quite proven
12:50<tjader>Just check my hostname :)
12:50<SynrG>can you point me at production systems of any consequence now working on the hurd?
12:50<catsup>look at mac os x for example
12:50<catsup>mac os x doesn't use HURD, but it uses the mach microkernel
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12:50<lee>tjader: I thought you had more than two IPs.
12:50<dfh>catsup, have you got some relevant keywords to search for? btw modular doesn't equal microkernel as long as all drivers still run in ring 0 if I understand it correctly, are there any advances in reducing privileges?
12:50<tjader>lee: not on this machine
12:50<tjader>I have billions of IPs I can use
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12:51<tjader>but only two are assigned to this machine
12:51<lee>tjader: one resolves to, the other one to
12:51<tjader>lee: precisely
12:51<SynrG>catsup: oh, i'm not saying the microkernel is a flawed concept, sorry, just the hurd's implementation of it may not yet have been proven (unless i've missed some milestone that says it is)
12:51<lee>tjader: and you were using the wrong one?
12:51<sret>catsup: from what i read mac osx uses a hybrid kernel based on the mach
12:51<tjader>I want, for example, irssi to use the one by default
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12:51<tjader>both work for outbound connections
12:52<tjader>But I'd rather use the one I can set PTR records for
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12:52<SynrG>catsup, sret: but this is all very OT and perhaps better suited to #debian-offtopic
12:52<catsup>dfh: i don't know, probably you should ask someone who knows more about it than me
12:52<lee>tjader: so it comes down to having used to wrong IP?
12:52<lee>tjader: btw, how did you get those IPs?
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12:53<catsup>but uh, i just found this article:
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12:54<tjader>lee: I just wanted to find out how to change what IP got used by default :)
12:54<catsup>but i'd say 'microkernel' doesn't imply anything about memory protection in itself, at least in my mind, the essence is message passing as the interface between modules
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12:55<catsup>SynrG: i don't really know anything about the current status of HURD, anyway
12:56<lee>tjader: Perhaps I still didn´t understand that question ... :) Is just handing out IPs to everyone?
12:56<tjader>lee: yes they are
12:56<tjader>you just have to fill a form and sway why you want them
12:56<lee>tjader: wow, that sounds cool. I better make sure I´ll get some :)
12:57<tjader>lee: I think the different pops can have different policies, though.
12:57<tjader>I think the brazilian one accepts pretty much anything
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12:57<lee>tjader: Well, how do they make it so that you´re actually reachable with these IPs? I´ve got a static IP-4 address, finally ...
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12:57<catsup>oh wow
12:58<tjader>lee: you first request a tunnel, which gives you 1 IPv6 address
12:58<catsup>that whole thing is free?
12:58<catsup>you don't have to pay anyone to route packets to you?
12:58<tjader>and then you request a subnet, which will get routed to the tunnel's address
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12:58<tjader>catsup: totally free
12:59<tjader>which is great, as I don't have a public IPv4
12:59<tjader>at home
12:59<lee>tjader: that sounds really interesting :)
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12:59<tjader>So I installed teredo in my work PC and I can ssh home :)
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13:00<tjader>I could even request a tunnel for my work PC, but meh
13:00<catsup>i would be a little afraid thought that some day once you are using those addresses they want $
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13:01<tjader>catsup: well, if they do that I will stop using them
13:01<lee>tjader: I´ll have to check that out thoroughly, thanks for the pointer :) There are probably very interesting uses for it.
13:01<tjader>I can live without a routable IP at home
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13:01<catsup>i use ssh tunnelling for everything
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13:02<catsup>it would be much easier to have routable IPs
13:02<lee>tjader: Well, I´m running a mail server, which works so much better with a static IP :)
13:02<vikas>how to configure source.list so that i no need to put dvd -1-8 for installing any package
13:02<tjader>catsup: yeah,
13:03<vikas>how to configure apt locally
13:04<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
13:04<vikas>so that i can install packages from local directory
13:05<lee>vikas: Did you copy the DVDs to a disk?
13:05<catsup>vikas: see man sources.list, entry 'file'
13:05<catsup>e.g., deb file:/home/jason/debian stable main contrib non-free
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13:09<bighornram>I'm using squeeze updated; was copying files to a usb drive, power interrupted the transfer, now can't mount drive getting "DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.Failed: An operation is already pending." error, can someone advise how to fix?
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13:10<mobildorn>bighornram: Have you tried "apt-get/aptitude -f install"?
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13:14<catsup>bighornram: restart dbus, perhaps
13:14<catsup>bighornram: or mount it manually
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13:15<catsup>(if not dbus, then some dbus-using application could be restarted, to get a sane state; but i don't know which)
13:16<bighornram>I don't know what it was but it reset now. Maybe was the software in the drive and timed out? Anyway it came back and I'm able to delete everything I had copied and restarting the copy procedure again. :)
13:17<catsup>no, it wasn't software in the drive
13:17<catsup>you should use rsync -aP to resume copies like that
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13:18<catsup>it was some gnome/gtk/whatever software
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13:22<bighornram>catsup: wondering why after restarting the machine after the interuption being ext3 format the machine didn't reset along with the other partitions?
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13:50<sney>how do you set up dependency-based init? mine skipped it on an upgrade due to some apache nonsense and I forget the command to make it try again
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13:53<SynrG>sney: you read and follow the doc in, uh ... damn. forget the name of the package
13:53<SynrG>the dependency-based init thingy :)
13:53<thewanderer1>sney: /usr/sbin/update-bootsystem-insserv ?
13:53<SynrG>a README.Debian or some such
13:53<SynrG>that's the guy
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14:01<grummund>if a daemon executable accepts --pid-file option then should i use that *instead* of -pidfile with start-stop-daemon ?
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14:01<grummund>(within an init.d/script)
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14:11<tiako>Hello, I am having a slight problem installing nvidia drivers
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14:13<tiako>oh wait I think I got it.
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14:14<steve__>anyone here?
14:14<tiako>Im here
14:14<steve__>is it wrong to use 2 space indents in python instead of 4 space indents?
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14:14<tiako>Dunno im a n00b
14:15<jgaviria>hi, i'm getting an error using Script (, i need to execute a perl script when tried to access a Location or Directory ... like a filter, any ideas how to resolve ... thanks
14:16<sney>tiako: problem solved?
14:17<sney>steve__: ask in #python
14:17<tiako>Yeah looks that way. Do you reconmend nvidia-xconfig or manual ?
14:17<sney>manual in xorg.conf.d
14:18<tiako>Alright Ill try that
14:18<sney>!nvidia dkms
14:18<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
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14:18<sney>the sed line is what you want
14:18<sney>er, echo
14:19<sney>I hope you didn't use the nvidia installer, also
14:19<tiako>I didnt
14:19<lee>nvidia drivers in Debian are rather old
14:20<tiako>I have been using the how to
14:20<sney>still, it's better than having X or the driver get nuked by an update
14:20<CaperucitaRoja>buenas, acabo de instalar squeeze pero no logro hacer que lo reconozca el grub2... durante la instalación se descajetó y lo tuve que recuperar
14:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:20<CaperucitaRoja>no doy con el problema, revolví toda la web
14:21<lee>sney: nothing gets nuked
14:21<sney>!why the nvidia installer sucks
14:21*sney looks at dpkg
14:21<lee>it works fine for me
14:21<sney>that's the trap
14:21<sney><dpkg> nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against
14:21<sney> using it based onextensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Aske me about <nvidia>.
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14:22<lee>hm, I using it since many years, and it works just fine
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14:22<sney>well, good for you, just please try to avoid recommending it in here
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14:22<tiako>Does ubuntu use their installer?
14:23<sney>I don't know what ubuntu does
14:23<lee>where did I recommend it?
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14:23<sney>you didn't, I'm just taking precautions. :)
14:23<lee>ah :)
14:24<lee>when they recommend the packages so much, they should also say that they are outdated, though ...
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14:25<lee>or what other way is there to get up-to-date nvidia drivers?
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14:28<kangaroo>Hi together
14:28<kangaroo>I have a little question. Is it possible to format with EXT3 in Quick Format?
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14:29<Black_Prince>What do you mean by 'Format EXT3 in Quick format' ?
14:29<sney>kangaroo: the ext3 format process is pretty fast regardless, but I don't think there's a special "quick" mode... you can read 'man mke2fs' to check though
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14:33<jhutchins_lt>Microsoft offers a "quick format" that does not check the resulting filesystem, while their standard format does. This really doesn't apply to ext filesystems.
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14:34<lee>btrfs formats pretty fast. You shouldn´t use that, though.
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14:35<f8l>jhutchins_lt: I thought that standard format zeroes the partition before creating a filesystem on it.
14:35<sney>jfs formats prettty fast and there's no reason not to use it
14:36<dpkg>i guess jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!
14:36<Black_Prince>sney you ever used it?
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14:36<sney>I have been using it pretty much constantly since 2003-ish
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14:36<Black_Prince>I know what it is, I wanted to give it a try, but couldn't find anyone who used it
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14:36<Black_Prince>So, you never had problems with it?
14:36<sney>never a one
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14:37<Black_Prince>what about disk activity?
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14:37<sney>I haven't benchmarked it or anything, but it feels fast for real-world performance. I've never had a problem with excessive thrashing, either (well, except on one samba server, but that was caused by something else)
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14:38<dfh>jfs is great, never let me down, not the fastest but from my experience the most stable and hassle-free FS
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14:38<Black_Prince>Well, you convinced me to choose jfs on my next install :)
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14:44<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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15:00<agusmatt>hi everybody!
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15:02<agusmatt>i want to make a question, today my log report of rootktit i've found this
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15:02<agusmatt>Warning: Checking for possible rootkit strings [ Warning ]
15:02<agusmatt> Found string 'hdparm' in file '/etc/init.d/hdparm'. Possible rootkit: Xzibit Rootkit
15:02<agusmatt> Found string 'hdparm' in file '/etc/init.d/.depend.boot'. Possible rootkit: Xzibit Rootkit
15:03<agusmatt>it's possible to be a false positive?
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15:12<juhov>agusmatt: if you do have hdparm installed then it sounds likely, it's listed in rkhunter's README.Debian as a known false positive
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15:12<juhov>no guarantees either way though :P
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15:14<mcamargo>necesito un S.O.S
15:15<Black_Prince>!es mcamargo
15:15<dpkg>mcamargo: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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15:43<ottoshmidt>is it possible to recreate deb package from its extracted contenct
15:44<oxan>ottoshmidt: sure, check man dpkg-deb and dpkg-deb -b
15:44<ottoshmidt>like, I extracted deb package, changed something and now assemble back into deb package, or not possible?
15:45<ottoshmidt>oxan, hmm thanks
15:45<oxan>ottoshmidt: yes that'll work. however, you'll also need to have the DEBIAN directory (you can get that with dpkg-deb -e <original>.deb)
15:47<ottoshmidt>I guess there is one already
15:47<catsup>there's a package that lets you recreate debs from the fs
15:47<thewanderer1>ottoshmidt: dpkg-repack
15:48<catsup>yeah, dpkg-repack
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15:55<lee>is there a way to get konqueror to automatically save the last session and have it start up with that, like other browsers do?
15:56<lee>I´ve got it so far as to do that manually. Yet that isn´t really a good solution.
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15:56<lee>hm, perhaps that´s a question better asked in #debian-kde ...
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16:00<PaulP>lee, you can send signal KILL to konqueror and on next start it will restore session
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16:02<lee>PaulP: Do you know where it saves that information?
16:03<PaulP>lee: no
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16:03<lee>there seems to be something saved that it doesn´t get rid of
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16:06<loga>sir,i installed windows xp in linux using vitualbox but i maynot install application softwares on windows xp,so how to do this?
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16:07<PaulP>lee: i found something in ~.kde/share/apps/konqueror/autosave/
16:09<loga>if i insert pendrive when i am in virtual operating system,it is not detected
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16:10<retrospectacus>loga, you "just do it" - open the windoze VM and go... if you are having trouble you will need to explain more
16:10<lee>PaulP: Thanks! That´s not it, though. I deleted the file there, and when opening a new konqueror window, it still loads some web pages.
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16:11<exio4>hi :)
16:12<exio4>debian run very good in usb
16:12<exio4>a complete install complete ok
16:12<exio4>run exactly to hd
16:13<retrospectacus>exio4: please don't make smileys. Do you have a question we can help you with?
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16:13<l_l343>when i try to mount c(windows) drive it's showing me "Unable to mount location Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1"
16:14<loga>now,pendrive is not detected in virtual os(windows xp)
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16:14<atem>must shutdown correctly windows
16:14<retrospectacus>l_l343: remove CDROM line /dev/sdb from /etc/fstab
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16:14<exio4>if me install a kde, or gnome, run good, or no
16:15<exio4>speed in read/write usb..
16:15<retrospectacus>exio4: yes no problem
16:15<zig>hi all; how can I list all packages installed explicitly (not those pulled from a dependency) ?
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16:15<exio4>retrospectacus, mm, ok, now install gnome, for test, thanks
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16:19<exio4>good bye..
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16:20<l_l343>retrospectacus:there iz no line like"CDROM line /dev/sdb" in /etc/fstab could i show u file
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16:21<sney>l_l343: you can paste it on
16:21<retrospectacus>l_l343: please do
16:21<lero>hi. how can i apply debian/patches from linux-source package?
16:22<l_l343><retrospectacus: @ here or @
16:22<retrospectacus>l_l343: it is not exactly "CDROM line /dev/sdb" it is a line describing /dev/sdb as a CDROM device (incorrectly)
16:22<jhutchins_lt>l_l343: What filesystem is it?
16:22<sney>l_l343: don't paste things here.
16:23<retrospectacus>l_l343: you installed debian from a USB device, correct? This causes an erroneous CDROM line to go in /etc/fstab
16:24<l_l343> plz see it
16:24<sney>line 13
16:24<sney>see how it says /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom0
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16:25<sney>the options after /media/cdrom0 make mount think that anything at /dev/sdb1 is a CD
16:25<retrospectacus>delete that line
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16:25<sney>I hope that's one of the things that'll be fixed for 6.0.1
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16:28<riol>anyone that feels to do some basic samba troubleshooting?
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16:29<babilen>riol: #samba@freenode ?
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16:30<lee>riol: What problem do you have with it?
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16:32<riol>installed debian netinstall yesterday, installed samba, it worked fine. rebooted system, still worked fine and was visible on my other computers. today it's just dead and doesn't show in my network
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16:32<lee>riol: Are the nmbd and smbd processes still running?
16:33<lee>are there any entries in the logfiles?
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16:35<riol>in the nmbd logfile "No local IPc¤ non-loopback interfaces !" Totally new to these things...
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16:36<lee>and are the processes still running?
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16:37<l_l343>thanks alot retrospectacus ,sney for ur support
16:37<lee>like what does "ps xca |grep sm"
16:38<retrospectacus>l_l343: sure
16:38<riol>that out put is: ksmd, kpsmoused smbd, smbd, smbd
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16:39<lee>looks good --- how about ps xca |grep nmbd
16:39<riol>just nmbd
16:39<lee>that´s fine
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16:40<lee>the network card is still working fine, too?
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16:40<riol>yes, I can ping my other computers on the network
16:41<lee>ok --- try "/etc/init.d/samba stop"
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16:41<lee>then check again with ps if you still have smbd or nmbd processes running
16:41<riol>this is strange. because this is the second time it happens. last time i reinstalled debian and samba, then it worked. but today it's back to "normal"
16:42<lee>reinstalling usually doesn´t fix anything. Linux isn´t windoze ...
16:42<jhutchins_lt>riol: How do you have your network configured? interfaces file or network manager?
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16:43<lee>there shouldn´t be any smbd and nmbd processes when samba is stopped. I don´t know about ksmbd, that looks like it´s from kde. I wouldn´t worry about that one.
16:44<riol>jhutchins_lt: hm, as I say, totally new to this but. Modem -> router -> switch. Computers on both router and switch
16:44<riol>didn't install any gui so that would be strange
16:45<jonathan>I'm having problems with wireless, would anyone be able to help?
16:45<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
16:45<lee>hm, perhaps something changed since I last used samba --- could be some kernel process maybe
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16:45<jhutchins_lt>riol: It's been a while since I had to do anything but the defaults on samba, but there is a place where you tell it what interface to listen on. This should be something like * or eth0 or your IP address.
16:46<lee>have you stopped samba? I wonder what happens when you restart it after stopping it :)
16:46<jhutchins_lt>riol: I always use swat to do most of the configuration because it links directly to the docs via context.
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16:47<lee>to clarify, I´ve come to always check if something I wanted to stop is actually stopped, hence the checking with ps to be sure.
16:48<lee>sometimes something doesn´t stop when you want it to ...
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16:51<riol>lee: stopped, restarted, and started several times
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16:52<riol>jhutchins_lt: my conf-file doesn't say anything about where to listen
16:52<lee>riol: Well, does it work after restarting?
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16:53<lee>riol: It should listen on all interfaces by default.
16:53<riol>lee: No, noting happens
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16:53<jhutchins_lt>lee: That's kindof what I thought.
16:53<jhutchins_lt>riol: Do you have your hostname listed in /etc/hosts?
16:53<lee>ok, how did you set up your name services?
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16:54<eightyeight>when will iceweasel 4 enter sid?
16:54<lee>eightyeight: someone here sayed you can just download it and put it into some directory
16:55<eightyeight>sure, but that's not my question
16:55<sney>it'll enter sid when it's ready, of course
16:55<eightyeight>i could also install it from experimental
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16:55<riol>jhutchins_lt: localhost, debian, yes
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16:55<eightyeight>sney: yeah. patented answer. i could have come up with that
16:56<jhutchins_lt>riol: Is there a DNS server that will resolve your hostname?
16:56<lee>riol: do you have a name server running?
16:56<Black_Prince_>Damn, I hate vlc
16:56<lee>riol: What´s that?
16:57<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince_: mplayer. Just Works (tm)
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16:57<sney>eightyeight: there's not much else we can give you. the devel mailing list(s) would know more
16:57<riol>jhutchins_lt: I don't think so
16:58<sney>eightyeight: there's also which has semi-official packages available
16:58<Black_Prince_>VLC Just Worked (tm)
16:58<jhutchins_lt>riol: That may be the problem. You can put it in the hosts file.
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16:58<riol>lee: No name server, about the, well that's my computer, about the "1" i don't know
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16:58<eightyeight>sney: yeah. again, i'm not interested in actually installing the package. i'm only interested in the timing of it going from experimental to sid
16:59<lee>riol: It´s pretty weird to use for something
16:59<lee> is always localhost and doesn´t even go over a network interface
16:59<sney> seems to have the correct email address for the debian mozilla team's ml, as well
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16:59<Gathond>I'm pretty sure the whole block is unsuable for anything but localhost
16:59<riol>lee: been there as default, haven't done anything
17:00<Gathond> Loopback jup, wikipedia agrees
17:00<lee>Gathond: I´m wondering what he might be using for :)
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17:00<Gathond>lee: the same as contacting localhost
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17:01<Gathond>as it is a loopback address, per definition it refers to the host itself
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17:01<Gathond>of cause that is what RFC 5735 says, his implementation may allow one to technically use them
17:02<lee>Gathond: I take it shouldn´t create a problem then.
17:03<Gathond>what? using it?
17:03<lee>riol: You could list all the computers involved in /etc/hosts, as jhutchins_lt suggested.
17:03<riol>jhutchins_lt: Sorry, didn't get that. Put what in the host file?
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17:03<Gathond>not so long as it is for loopback (i.e yet another IP referring to localhost)
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17:04<Gathond>actually using it on the network would probably be bad using most TCP/IP stacks
17:04<beginner>hi to all
17:04<lee>Gathond: He´s got localhost on and a host named debian on
17:04<jhutchins_lt>Seems to me there should be a listen= and/or interfaces= directive in smb.conf
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17:04<lee>Gathond: Does that make any sense to you? :)
17:04<Gathond>I doubt that works well, but as I said, just because the range IS reserved to localhost use does not mean it technically can't be used, depending on whether the TCP/IP stacks in question allows the violation
17:04<jhutchins_lt>riol: Sorry, guys, I gotta go buy horse food.
17:05<beginner>can anyone help me about a wifi problem
17:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:05<lee>Gathond: My thinking, it´s weird and might cause problems ...
17:05<Gathond>lee: it sounds stupid, in contradiction on the RFC's, but he may be lucky and it happens to work using addresses as non loopback
17:05<jonathan>I have a wifi problem too, my keycode won't work for my wireless network
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17:06<Gathond>it would surprice me if any linux TCP stack would allow those IP's to ever leave the host itself
17:06<beginner>I ve just installed my debian 6
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17:06<sney>also, it's standard for a debian install's /etc/hosts to contain a entry referring to $HOSTNAME
17:06<roberto>Hi guys !!!! I have a problem with an Audio card :(
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17:06<jonathan>I just installed debian 6 too
17:06<jonathan>beginner, same issue as me?
17:06<beginner>and I cannot connect
17:06<beginner>by WLAN
17:06<roberto>Yes !!!, Me too
17:06<lee>Gathond: He´d have to have a network interface connecting his host to his LAN ... That would need an IP address, which is probably involved with a hostname. That hostname might be debian. That sounds like trouble to me ...
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17:07<roberto>I've installed a 6 version
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17:07<jonathan>I googled this and I think there's a bug that makes the network manager not read from the gnome keyring
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17:07<roberto>I also have a optical cable on my audio output
17:07<beginner>Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
17:07<jonathan>not sure how to get around it
17:07<roberto>and it doesn't work :(
17:07<beginner>this is my network controller
17:08<lee>riol: What´s in /etc/hostname?
17:08<beginner>with lspci
17:08<themill>dpkg: tell beginner about iwlagn
17:08<dfha>!enter >beginner
17:08<riol>lee: "debian" only
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17:08<babilen>lee: #316099 + (for example, and Re:
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17:09<dfha>beginner, Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
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17:09<lee>riol: ok, so I´d remove the entry from /etc/hosts.
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17:09<jonathan>babilen, is that link the solution?
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17:09<babilen>jonathan: to what?
17:09<lee>riol: let me post how my /etc/hosts looks ...
17:09<jonathan>networkmanager not connecting to the network
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17:10<beginner>ok sorry
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17:10<babilen>jonathan: That is an inherent feature of network-manager -- just kidding -- No, that has nothing to do with your question.
17:10<lee> localhost
17:10<lee> yun
17:10<lee># The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
17:10<lee>::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
17:10<lee>fe00::0 ip6-localnet
17:10<lee>ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
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17:10<lee>ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
17:10<lee>ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
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17:11<themill>!stop pasting lee
17:11<dpkg>lee: We don't defecate on your keyboard. Please don't paste in our channel. /msg dpkg paste
17:11<beginner>so I have this controller Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 I found with that command lspci and I want to find the driver .. help
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17:12<lee>sorry, I didn´t want to paste that
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17:12<babilen>!tell beginner about iwlagn
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17:13<s_i_m>beginner, the driver is iwlagn,
17:13<themill>beginner: have a look at the information that dpkg sent you in a private message
17:13<roberto>Somebody helpme !!! Please !
17:14<lee>my copy and paste is screwed up. How I fix that?
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17:14<babilen>beginner: Make sure you have the firmware-iwlwifi package installed and read the wiki page.
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17:14<riol>lee: looks the same as mine, and "yun.yag..." is the computer you're sharing to?
17:14<babilen>roberto: Help us by asking a real question.
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17:15<roberto>Ok, Sorry, I am a new Debian user, and a new IRC user too :$
17:15<roberto>I also have a optical cable on my audio output
17:15<roberto>and it doesn't work :(
17:15<lee>riol: No, the links the IP address the computer has on the LAN to its name.
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17:16<lee>riol: see man hosts for more info
17:16<roberto>How can I make it work ?
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17:17<lee>riol: The name of your computer appears to be "debian". Since you have specified in /etc/hosts that debian has the IP address, I´m surprised that anything works at all.
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17:17<roberto>Any idea ? :(
17:17<sney>lee: the $HOSTNAME entry is standard
17:17<lee>sney: I don´t have such an entry.
17:18<sney>all of my machines do, and I didn't put it there.
17:18<scisteffan>hey, I've installed debian onto MacBook Pro partition but it won't boot. Now in rescue mode trying to install grub into MBR and getting the error: "This GPT Partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition". So I need to set the "boot flag" back on, right? I can't run gparted from the install CD though
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17:18<Black_Prince> krejzi
17:18<Black_Prince>mine too has this line ... my hostname's krejzi
17:18<lee>sney: I didn´t remove it, I think. If it was there, I´d remove it unless someone can explain what sense this entry is supposed to make :)
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17:19<roberto>ok, thanks any way.
17:19<s_i_m>roberto, run alsamixer and check if the SPDIF output is muted
17:19<s_i_m>at least
17:19<babilen>lee: please read the links I gave you earlier
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17:21<lee>babilen: sorry, I didn´t see that
17:21<riol>lee: thanks, edited it look like yours. nothing changed tho, done a reboot as well
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17:22<lee>babilen: Are you sure using won´t cause trouble when abused like that to fix broken software?
17:23<lee>riol: Did you put the IP address your computer has on the LAN into your /etc/hosts?
17:23<babilen>lee: yes
17:23<riol>yes i did
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17:25<lee>babilen: So what do you put there when the machine also has an address like on a LAN? If you go by what you´re supposed in DNS, afair you should have CNAME entry rather than binding several IPs to the same hostname.
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17:26<lee>riol: Ok, what happens when you "ping debian"?
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17:26<riol>lee: works just fine
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17:26<lee>riol: Does it ping the LAN IP or
17:27<riol>and i can ping the "debian" via the ip from other computers
17:27<riol>lan ip
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17:27<lee>riol: good
17:27<lee>riol: You probably can´t ping debian (not the IP) from the other machines on the LAN?
17:28<scisteffan>I've solved my previous problem by executing shell on the CD in recovery mode ;)
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17:28<riol>lee: I can ping "debian" via the LAN ip from the rest of my computers on my network
17:29<vezult>is there any way to trap the exit of a non-login bash shell?
17:29<lee>riol: Yes, and when you don´t use the IP and just "ping debian" instead, I guess it doesn´t work because the other computers don´t have a way to resolve the name "debian" to an IP.
17:29<vezult>for, example, if I wanted something to happen on exit, if I just do: su foouser
17:30<riol>lee: oh, yes. That is right.
17:30<lee>riol: If that´s true, I think you´re on track of your problem.
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17:30<lee>riol: Unfortunately, I´m not sure how to solve that. You could set up a name server and use that for all computers.
17:30<riol>lee: really? it just says "uknown host"
17:30<lee>riol: that´s what I would expect :)
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17:31<lee>riol: The problem seems to be that the other hosts can´t find your samba server.
17:31<lee>it´s working fine, they just can´t find it
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17:32<riol>lee: so, let's say i would have given the computer the same name as it's LAN ip, it could work?
17:32<vezult>riol: is the search domain set?
17:32<lee>riol: No, you need name resolution.
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17:33<retrospectacus>vezult: your question is more suitable for #bash on freenode
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17:33<lee>riol: As I said, I don´t really know how to solve that. I´ve always had a name server doing the name resolution, and it worked fine with that. I´m sure there´s a way to do it without, though.
17:33<vezult>retrospectacus: I'll try there, thanks
17:33<lee>riol: There´s such a thing as WINS, IIRC.
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17:34<riol>lee: ah, anyway. Huge thanks for your time!
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17:34<lee>riol: And the problem is probably on both sides, i. e. your clients not being able to resolve the name of the server and the server not being able to resolve the names of the clients.
17:35<riol>vezult: don't know what that menas...
17:35<riol>so, a name server would do the game
17:35<lee>riol: So you could list all machines in /etc/hosts and make the server the name server for all. That won´t resolve names outside of your LAN, though. That´s what a real name server is for ...
17:36<psychedelian>hi everyone
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17:36<lee>riol: If your clients have something like /etc/hosts as well, you could try to use that.
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17:38<lee>riol: Yes, if you set one up, that should help. However, there are options in the samba configuration to adjust how names are being resolved.
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17:39<lee>riol: Afair, it´s supposed to work without a name server by having some machine on the LAN making itself a WINS server automatically.
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17:39<lee>riol: However, that doesn´t seem to work so well with samba. There´s also some option for samba so that it makes itself the WINS server.
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17:42<riol>lee: Hm, this will require some research. But samba is the way to go for sharing files in a network
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17:49<ZykoticK9>riol, "But samba is the way to go for sharing files in a network" was this a question or statement? NFS is the "unix" method to share files over a network, but not so good for Windows/Apple clients. I'm not a fan of Samba - but I'm not a fan of Windows (although Samba was actually an IBM invention).
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17:50<abrotman>CIFS you mean?
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17:51<ZykoticK9>abrotman, sorry my bad - yes. They certainly didn't invent Samba.
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17:51<riol>ZykoticK9: Sorry, that was meant to be a question. Thanks for that response!
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17:53<lee>riol: Having a name server can make things a lot easier. If you then use for all machines on the LAN, it can even be faster than having each of them sending DNS requests to outside the LAN by itself.
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17:53<lee>riol: There´s /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/DNS-HOWTO.gz :)
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18:07<mutante>how about just using scp and regular system users with "scponly" shell for offering files on the network, argueing that sshd is already running, why start another deamon of any kind, its encrypted, easy to setup ..etc
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18:07<mutante>not good because people can still copy /etc/* ? unless they are also chrooted?
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18:09<mutante>the windows users can have their winscp gui even ...
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18:12<riol>lee: Thanks, that will be the night-reading!
18:13<bobry>Hello, i'm making a package for shflags -- but i'm not sure where to put the library. Can anyone advise please?
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18:22<JohnDoe>is it possible to install Debian with crypto-LVM in XTS mode?
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18:26<sney>JohnDoe: the installer has some crypto-lvm support but it would probably be cleaner to set up the volumes yourself and use debootstrap
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18:45<dpkg>re is probably reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', i.e. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions.
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18:51<valerio>buona sera a tutti
18:52<valerio>ho un acer 1810tz e una volta su 3 al riavvio del pc successivo ad un'ibernazione il sistema si paralizza completamente
18:52<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:53<babilen>valerio: or speak English in here :)
18:53<valerio>i'm going -it
18:53<babilen>have fun
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18:54<valerio>my acer 1810tz freeze after ibernation
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19:19<Vyrus001>anybody runing x on a dell inspiron mini? im getting issues with my mouse using the default driver, bounces around like crazy when i try to click and drag something?
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19:25<tharkun>Vyrus001: check the settings you mouse has and the actual hardware that Dell installed on your computer. Dell usually does nasty things to save a few bucks. Totally banned on this edge
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19:35<k-man>i have this problem where my debian machine seems to lock up from time to time, it still responds to ping, and on the console, i could alt+fn to change vc, but could not type anything to log in. also, it runs my local dns-server and that stopped working
19:36<k-man>any ideas on how i can track down what happens?
19:36<slush>Vyrus001: I have something similar, not on a Dell machine, but I need to remove and re-add the psmouse module to have it run correctly. I didnt look into it deeply yet, so not sure what a better fix could be
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19:39<k-man>in the logs, it seems as though logging stops about 10 minutes before i noticed the issue and rebooted, but there is no useful messages in the logs at that time
19:39<sney>maybe you can tell your syslogger to be more sensitive
19:39<sney>debug level like
19:40<jhutchins_lt>k-man: Can you connect via ssh? Is the disk filling up? Is there anything in the logs?
19:40<k-man>jhutchins_lt, nothing that i can see of use in syslog or messages
19:40<k-man>plenty of hdd space
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19:41<k-man>i have a feeling its a load issue, but thats just a gut feeling, i have no real evidence
19:42<k-man>is there some tool that can log mem usage, disk usage and load, so if there is a crash i can see what those params were like before the crash?
19:42<jhutchins_lt>k-man: Check dmesg before you reboot (if you can).
19:42<k-man>jhutchins_lt, no, all keyboard activity seems to freeze, except for alt+f4 to change vc
19:42<k-man>err.. alt+f(n) i should say
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19:43<jhutchins_lt>k-man: ssh might still work.
19:43<k-man>jhutchins_lt, no, i tried that too
19:43<k-man>it times out
19:43<k-man>but the machine still responds to pings
19:43<jhutchins_lt>Ping replies happen at a very low leve.
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19:45<Vyrus001>slush: you just rmmoded the driver and reloaded?
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19:50<k-man>are there any hang type issues known with this kernel: Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64
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19:53<slush>Vyrus001: yep, done it several times now, works every time
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19:55<slush>Vyrus001: but thats just on this system
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20:05<jhutchins_lt>k-man: You can look for bugreports but it's by no means common.
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20:06<k-man>jhutchins_lt, yes, i didn't think so. i fear it might be a hardware problem
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20:07<jhutchins_lt>When people started using linux on the same hardware as Windows, we found out that a lot of those BSOD's weren't Microsoft's fault.
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20:09<Vyrus001>slush: hm
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20:11<lee>k-man: you could try another power supply
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20:30<SynrG>Black_Prince: btw, 6.0.1 live images are there now
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20:30<SynrG>the website is in the process of updating, links will be updated in the next half hr or so. but i'm sure you know how to click the link and change the 0 to a 1 ;)
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20:46<planet8>How do I make the adduser command create users with NON world-readable home directories?
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20:48<mobildorn>Just a guess: /etc/adduser.conf, variable DIR_MODE?
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20:49<planet8>Didn't even know that existed :) Thanks!
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20:50<mobildorn>Or maybe it's something in /etc/login.defs, UMASK or something like this. But I believe it will influence files created by the user, not the home directory itself.
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20:50<planet8>The adduser.conf is perfect!
20:51<mobildorn>Mh, or try "dpkg-reconfigure adduser". It has an entry in the debconf database, namely adduser/homedir-permission
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20:52<mobildorn>Using that way should ensure that your configuration will not break on updates.
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20:53<planet8>mobildorn, thanks!
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21:03<mobildorn>A suggestions for the future: Find out which package contains the binary (dpkg -S adduser). It will tell you the package is named "adduser", too (in this case)
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21:03<mobildorn>Via "dpkg -L adduser" (the package's name) you can list all files in the package. Look for files in /etc to find the config files for the package.
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21:08<tharkun>Gentlemen, where do i get the changelog for tumgreyspf without installing it on my system?
21:09<abrotman>aptitude changelog foo
21:09<tharkun>abrotman: thanks
21:10<abrotman>tharkun: or
21:10<tharkun>lol i was searching on
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21:20<mobildorn>Ah, reminds me to file a bug on the isc-dhcp-client package.
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21:21<mobildorn>Maybe I should upgrade to squeeze first.
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21:28<tharkun>mobildorn: well it is indeed that tumgreyspf will not recognize a domain as an fqdn
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21:33<magyar>hi, is there a way to use local dns and vpn dns separate when connected to VPN ?
21:34<lee>magyar: not sure what you mean
21:35<tharkun>magyar: man resolv.conf
21:35<magyar>lee, i have a dhcp/dns server for local domain, when I connect to a VPN tunnel, the DNS is provided by the tunnel
21:35<magyar>tharkun: i have two "nameserver" entries
21:36<magyar>one for vpn one for local domain
21:36<lee>and it doesn´t work with two entries?
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21:36<magyar>lee, only the first dns server in resolv.conf is being used the second is ignored
21:37<lee>one thing I can think of is making your local name server a slave of the one on the other end of the tunnel
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21:37<magyar>in windows it's seems to work fine
21:37<lee>how exactly isn´t it working?
21:38<magyar>one dns for one subnet the other for the second subnet
21:38<lee>can´t resolve names of hosts on the end of the tunnel?
21:38<magyar>lee, if i establish the tunnel, i loose my local dns
21:38<mobildorn>You could use "options rotate", but it will solve only 50% of your problems.
21:39<mobildorn>The best way is to use a local name server knowing both zones.
21:39<lee>so you´re switching name servers when establishing the tunnel?
21:39<magyar>so all udp 53 is going to the dns accros the tunnel
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21:40<magyar>lee: yes
21:40<lee>it should be possible to solve that with routing or the like
21:40<tharkun>magyar: there are more options to resolv.conf that only nameserver, research those. A hint "search"
21:40<lee>other than preventing to switch the name server
21:40<mobildorn>Right, the best solution is a VPN name server which will resolve recursivly.
21:41<magyar>mobildorn: i'm not in charge of the remote dns
21:41<lee>since you have another IP for your end of the tunnel, shouldn´t it be possible to seperate the networks?
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21:42<magyar>lee: not sure what you mean
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21:43<lee>let´s say you´re using on your side and on the other end of the tunnel
21:43<lee>your machine has an IP of in your LAN
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21:43<lee>to connect to the network on the other side of the tunnel, it needs to have an IP for that, let´s say
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21:45<lee>so traffic going to your LAN would be routed through eth0, for example, and traffic to the end of the tunnel would be routed through eth0:1
21:45<magyar>at this point when i establish the tunnel, my local addresses resolve to some external address
21:45<lee>that means both networks are reachable from your machine at the same time
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21:45<magyar>i have bond0 and tun0
21:45<lee>and you lose connection to your LAN?
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21:48<magyar>if i try to resolve "" i get
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21:50<lee>Do you get that from the remote name server?
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21:51<lee>I´m surprised that the remote name server knows about at all.
21:51<magyar>me too
21:52<lee>What´s in /etc/resolv.conf while the tunnel is established?
21:53<magyar>nameserver $tunnel dns1
21:53<magyar>nameserver $tunnel dns2
21:53<magyar>nameserver $my local dns
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21:56<lee>hi richie
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21:56<lee>magyar: So I take it that you´re asking the remote name server once the tunnel is established.
21:57<lee>What would happen if you didn´t ask the remote name server at all?
21:57<magyar>lee, the vpnc inserts it on ot's own
21:57<lee>and that isn´t configurable?
21:58<lee>even if it isn´t, you can (manually) override that any time
21:58<lee>that means, you could establish the tunnel and then put your own /etc/resolv.conf in place
21:58<magyar>lee, i would assume, I loose my remote dns resolution
21:58<lee>the question is if you do need that
21:59<lee>if your local name server can do all the resolution you need for you, you don´t need the remote one
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21:59<magyar>lee: sure do i need to access a dozen hosts on different subnets
21:59<magyar>don't remember the ip's
21:59<magyar>my memory is shot
22:00<lee>and your local name server can´t be set up to resolve these?
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22:00<magyar>lee; i could force it, or use hosts
22:00<magyar>but that is dumb
22:01<lee>yeah, it is
22:01<lee>I don´t have a better idea, though :(
22:02<lee>when you look at man resolv.conf, it basically tells you that the listed servers will be asked in turn
22:02<magyar>lee: no problems, i appreciate your input
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22:02<lee>it´s an interesting question you have there :)
22:02<dfha>magyar, good luck with ipv6 addresses then :P
22:02<magyar>i wish they would be
22:03<magyar>dfha: maybe not in my lifetime :)
22:04<lee>magyar: can´t you just make your name server a slave?
22:05<lee>or, more precisely, add a zone that is a slave of the remote servers?
22:05<magyar>lee, nope, I'm not in charge of DNS replication
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22:06<magyar>the frickin linux resolver only tries the first nameserver in resolve.conf and ignores the rest
22:07<lee>afair you can set up your local name server to be a slave, no changes on the remote one needed
22:07<lee>that would contradict the manpage
22:07<lee>hm, maybe not
22:08<magyar>if the master refuses to replicate i'm f-ed
22:08<lee>you might have to use the rotate option to query others of the servers listed, which won´t solve your problem
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22:09<lee>I´m not sure if can refuse to replicate
22:09<lee>it´s been a long time ago since I set up a slave name server
22:10<lee>as far as I remember, I didn´t need to change anything on the master
22:11<mobildorn>Using bind with some stub zones may solve your problem.
22:11<mobildorn>Typically, you cannot just setup some slave zones as zone transfers are usually disabled.
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22:13<lee>how about forwarding to the remote servers?
22:17<magyar>i'm going to rest it for today, see what tomorrow brings, thanks lee for your help
22:18*magyar afkb
22:18<lee>you´re welcome :) I´m curious what the solution will be ...
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22:32<dpkg>Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium-browser in Squeeze. #chromium-support on For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>.
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22:47<planet8>I'm running an email server with postfix, amavis, dovecot, mysql, spamassassin, etc., but I need to add some groupware stuff for the intranet in order to share calendars like Lightning and stuff in Outlook. What application would work well with this setup?
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22:48<abrotman>planet8: did you uh .. apt-cache search groupware .. there are packages all set up for that
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22:49<planet8>yes I did, but I don't want a package solution, I just want to add the calendar stuff, but I actually think davical can be the solution.
22:50<lee>how about using calendar facilities built into korganizer or evolution?
22:50<lee>the groupware packages seem all to be webbased
22:50<abrotman>lee: shared .. ICS stuff
22:50<planet8>Most of the packages solutions has their own mta and wants postfix removed
22:50<dpkg>hmm... ics is the acronym for "Internet Chess Server". You can use Xboard to connect to one(For example, ICC -
22:50<abrotman>wrong :)
22:51<planet8>citadel removes postfix
22:51<abrotman>caldav ?
22:52<abrotman>davical .. sorry
22:52<abrotman>there's another
22:52<planet8>yes, I think that's a good solution
22:52<abrotman>i found one .. but i can't find it now .. caldav and ics are keywords you can use
22:54<lee>you could look on
22:54<abrotman>there are enough packaged in debian already
22:54<lee>there should be plenty calendar solutions without needing a groupware
22:54<planet8>yes, but I prefer pre-build debian packages :)
22:55<abrotman>he doesn't .. he just has to try the packages that already exist
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22:55*abrotman will wait for a full report from planet8
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22:57<lee>you may need to talk to your users first and see what they want and would accept
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22:58<planet8>I'll force them on the solution that I choose ;)
22:59<lee>are you sure you can do that? :)
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23:00<planet8>yes :) I maintain the entire system, if they don't want to use what I choose they'll suffer ;)
23:00<lee>good luck with that ... :)
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23:01<lee>they´ll just find their ways around it
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23:02<planet8>What's RFAD short for?
23:02<planet8>About a package that needs to be removed.
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23:04<blood>Hi, i need help ;o
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23:05<blood>Im new and need to install nvidia drivers and im not sure how.
23:05<planet8>blood, on squeeze?
23:05<lee>blood: you either use the packages that are in Debian or download an installer from nvidias website
23:05<dfha>blood, have you had a look at ?
23:06<blood>^ looking
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23:08<Arrowmaster>!nvidia dkms
23:08<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
23:08<astronut>blood: fastest way is "apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia"
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23:08<Arrowmaster>astronut: dkms has superseeded module-assistant for easy of use
23:08<astronut>Arrowmaster: i find the command i gave nicer than what dpkg just said
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23:08<astronut>Arrowmaster: if you install with m-a intiially, dkms will keep it up to date
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23:09<Arrowmaster>well you still need to do parts of that command when using m-a
23:10<Arrowmaster>you need to do all of it except the part that installs nvidia-kernel-dkms so really m-a is more work
23:11<lee>can you even install the drivers that are in Debian when you compile your own kernel?
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23:11<astronut>lee: yes
23:11<astronut>the shim gets built against the installed kernel
23:12<lee>how does it even know where the kernel source is?
23:13<astronut>lee: i think the upstream kernel installs the headers in the .deb
23:13<astronut>i could be wrong
23:13<astronut>it just needs headers not full source
23:14<Arrowmaster>right, headers must be in /usr/src
23:14<lee>ah, that should work then. Yet those drivers are rather old.
23:15<Arrowmaster>the 190.53 ones?
23:15<Arrowmaster>they arent that old, nvidia jumped like 60 version numbers for no reason afaik
23:16<astronut>hmm maybe not
23:16<astronut> dpkg-deb -c linux-image-2.6.37_2.6.37-1_i386.deb | grep \\.h
23:16<astronut>says nothing
23:17<lee>well, I have 195.36.24 around. Filedate says May 2010. When you look at,
23:18<lee>it says there´s 195.36.31-7 in testing.
23:18<Arrowmaster>astronut: headers arent in the linux-image packages
23:18<lee>so they´re about a year behind
23:18<astronut>Arrowmaster: that's the upstream, not the debian
23:19<astronut>as in, make deb-pkg from vanilla kernel source
23:19<Arrowmaster>they arent in the debian ones
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23:19<Arrowmaster>they are in the linux-headers-* packages in debian
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23:20<Arrowmaster>i dont know where they are if you compile your own kernel 'the debian way'
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23:21<astronut>Arrowmaster: right
23:22<astronut>that's what i'm trying to figure out
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23:22<astronut>since i built the nvidia driver on that box/kernel
23:23<lee>Interestingly, there´s 270.30-1 in experimental. The most recent from nvidia is 270.26. How does that come to be?
23:24<Arrowmaster>lee: beta release?
23:24<lee>beta is 270.26:
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23:26<Arrowmaster>i get no results from that page
23:27<lee>hm, perhaps you need to start a search for beta drivers from their "download drivers" menu
23:28<lee>the 270
23:28<Arrowmaster>oh its the 590 thats selected by default that has no drivers
23:28<lee>270.26 would be the most recent I´d be able to find
23:28<lee>yes, I have a 470
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23:28<lee>sorry, I should have mentioned that
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23:30<lee>So we´re looking at drivers almost a year old in testing, current drivers in unstable and drivers more recent than the manufacturer has in experimental.
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23:31<lee>That leaves you somewhat screwed when you find you have an issue with the proposed drivers ...
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23:33<Arrowmaster>yeah i dont think they have been released yet
23:33<nevyn>lee: nvidia drop older cards from newer driver releases
23:33<Arrowmaster>"* New upstream beta 270.30 (2011-03-??)." from the changelog
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23:34<lee>nevyn: That would be a very good reason to keep older driver around, yet no good reason to stay behind that much.
23:35<Arrowmaster>well they had to stay behind due to the freeze before squeeze release
23:35<lee>They were far behind long before that.
23:35<nevyn>is nvidia-drivers in stable-updates?
23:35<Arrowmaster>i dont know why unstable is still behind since you cant even use that version with the Xorg in unstable afaik
23:36<lee>I´m using 260.19.44 with testing.
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23:37<lee>that doesn´t mean you could use them with xorg in unstable, of course ...
23:38<Arrowmaster>yeah you need 260.30 for that it seems
23:38<blood>im confused on how to add the correct archives to sources.list
23:39<lee>xorg in unstable is that far ahead?
23:39<Arrowmaster>lee: ABI change
23:39<lee>ABI change?
23:40<Arrowmaster>yeah, the drivers need to support the new ABI to work with Xorg
23:40<lee>what´s ABI?
23:40<retrospectacus>!tell blood about sources
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23:40<dpkg>somebody said abi was application binary interface.
23:41<lee>good to know :) Once that moves to testing, I´ll have to update the nvidia driver.
23:42<lee>Is that backwards compatible? Like could you use 270.30 with testing now?
23:43<Arrowmaster>yeah should be
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23:46<Arrowmaster>oh it seems 260.19 should work fine with it, didnt realize it was moved to unstable already
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23:48<lee>it works fine with testing :) I´ll upgrade to 270.26 tomorrow though, since the vdpau fixes could be interesting.
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23:50<lee>have a good night ...
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