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00:00<dpkg>OpenNTPD is the OpenBSD <NTP> daemon. It provides the ability to sync the local clock to remote NTP servers and can act as NTP server itself, redistributing the local clock. Not included in Squeeze due to Debian bug #593429. See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
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00:10<blood>I need to add archives to the source.list, when i edit the file and try to save it it says that the file is read only :( how do i write to it?
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00:14<retrospectacus>blood: you need to edit it as root
00:15<blood>vi is difficult ;(
00:15<blood>i thought that i was root
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00:17<retrospectacus>well if you are indeed (check using "whoami" command), and the sources file is for some reason actually read-only, you can save it from vi with :w!
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00:19<blood>i got it ;S
00:19<blood>im not sure if that was the right archives tho
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00:21<blood>it says "make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources" so i added 'deb' & 'deb' does that seem correct?
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00:23<retrospectacus>there needs to be more words like "squeeze" and "main" and "non-free".... read what dpkg told you earlier
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00:24<blood>i need to append 'squeeze main contrib non-free'
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00:26<retrospectacus>if you are running squeeze, yeh blood
00:26<blood>im not sure what im running :o
00:27<blood>its default kernal
00:27<blood>i just instaled debian today.
00:27<sney>squeeze is debian 6.0
00:27<retrospectacus>probably squeeze
00:27<sney>!squeeze sources.list
00:27<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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00:44<uberpwn>Hello all, is there a help channel here? too lazy to read through the /list
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00:49<ml|>uberpwn: well, this channel is for _only_ debian help
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00:50<uberpwn>I'm running debian squeeze with KDE and seem to have no sound with anything other than the login sound
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00:53<blood>im getting an error :( "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the cintrib and non-free archives." i thought i had added those archives but it seems to say otherwise, or is the eror something else?
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01:00<blood>how would i go about upgrading to squeeze?
01:01<retrospectacus>blood: you said you installed squeeze today
01:01<blood>i said i installed debian today
01:01<retrospectacus>what are you trying to do?
01:01<astronut>blood: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
01:02<blood>im doing upgrades.
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01:03<blood>astronut: if my version of debian isnt 6.0 then my sources.list would be incorrect as far as i am aware.
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01:04<blood>gimmi a sec and i will paste it for clarification
01:04<retrospectacus>blood: what's "cat /etc/debian_version" say?
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01:06<blood>i did uname -r and it said "2.6.26-2amd64"
01:06<retrospectacus>blood: this sources list is garbage
01:06<blood>version 5.0.8
01:07<retrospectacus>it appears to be a random mix of releases and branches
01:07<ml|_>should have used the squeeze installer for the install
01:08<blood>i would if i could, not my fault that the #1 link on debian home page is lame ;o
01:09<blood>should be 6.0 after i upgrade anyways, i think ;o
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01:10<uberpwn>no idea why my sound doesnt work?
01:10<retrospectacus>you also have unstable contrib sources. If you're upgrading, do it like:
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01:10<blood>retospectacus: i added the last 6 archieves to the sources.list in the last hour, in order to install a nvidia driver
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01:11<retrospectacus>all you needed was "contrib non-free" on the end of line 6
01:12<ml|>blood: you should read the release notes... /msg dpkg release notes
01:12<blood>retrospectacus: i can change that
01:13<retrospectacus>blood: you can do a lot of things...
01:13<blood>one step at a time ;)
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01:14<blood>using the update manager should get me from version 5.0.8(or something) to 6.0 right?
01:15<ml|>maybe, after you read and follow the release notes for 6.0
01:15<retrospectacus>you should fix your sources list first
01:15<retrospectacus>and then /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
01:16<ml|>moving to squeeze from lenny is not as simple as just changing the sources.list _only_
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01:20<vikas>i copied my all dvd of squeeze (1-8) in /home/debian1 /home/debian2 /home/debian3 and so on
01:21<vikas>now what should type in source.list so that i can install packages
01:23<retrospectacus>vikas, approximately: deb file:/home/debian1/ squeeze main contrib
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01:24<vikas>but when in run apt-get update error occur---
01:25<vikas>W: Failed to fetch file:/media/Applications/debian7/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz File not found
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01:33<retrospectacus>vikas: and is /media/Applications/debian7/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/ and existing location ? Where you copied from the DVD7 yeah?
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01:34<vikas>Err file: squeeze/contrib i386 Packages
01:34<vikas> File not found
01:34<vikas>Err file: squeeze/main i386 Packages
01:35<retrospectacus>vikas: don't do that
01:36<vikas>location /media/Applications/debian7
01:37<retrospectacus>vikas: directory /media/Applications/debian7/dists/ contains what?
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01:38<vikas>two directory one squeeze and stable
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01:39<retrospectacus>and inside /media/Applications/debian7/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/ ?
01:40<vikas>three files packages, packages.gz and Release
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01:44<retrospectacus>vikas: put three / in sources.list lines like: deb file:///media/App....
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01:47<vikas> again File not found
01:47<vikas>Err file: squeeze/contrib i386 Packages
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01:48<vikas>W: Failed to fetch file:/media/Applications/debian1/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz File not found
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01:49<retrospectacus>can you make a pastebin containing your sources.list file
01:50<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian1 squeeze main contrib
01:50<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian2 squeeze main contrib
01:50<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian3 squeeze main contrib
01:50<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian4 squeeze main contrib
01:50<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian5 squeeze main contrib
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01:52<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian1 squeeze main contrib
01:53<blood>Hey, ive followed the release notes for upgrading as best i can, now to get the proper packages do i need to change the source.list from lenny to squeeze?
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01:55<OddMod>hello I have a question about screen. If I am running putty and get dc'd while running screen do those instances die also or become detached?
01:56<retrospectacus>becomes detached
01:56<vikas>deb file:///media/Applications/debian1 squeeze main contrib
01:56<OddMod>retrospectacus: thank you. if I then just launch screen do thos instances go away?
01:57<jm_>you need to reattach, best to read the manual
01:57<jm_>and yes, you can have several instances
01:58<OddMod>jm_ yeah I have read a couple of sites on it. its terminalogy is a little intense for me i suppose.
01:58<jm_>OddMod: you'll learn the basic stuff pretty quickly
01:58<OddMod>jm_ i have the basic ctrl+A d , "
01:58<blood>what is putty?
01:59<dpkg>i heard putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at . See also <putty linedraw>.
01:59<OddMod>blood: putty is an ssh client. its availiby in windows and linux
01:59<OddMod>blood: or the really well laid out one someone has to show me up with :P
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02:03<OddMod>blood: If you want you can PM me with questions on putty. Putty is a little off topic.
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02:06<vikas>Ign file: squeeze Release.gpg
02:06<vikas>Ign file:/media/Applications/debian1/ squeeze/contrib Translation-en
02:06<vikas>Ign file: squeeze Release
02:07<vikas>Ign file: squeeze/main i386 Packages
02:07<vikas>Ign file: squeeze/contrib i386 Packages
02:08<vikas>Err file: squeeze/main i386 Packages
02:08<vikas> File not found
02:08<vikas>Err file: squeeze/contrib i386 Packages
02:08<vikas> File not found
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02:11<vikas> what should type in sources.list
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02:26<blood>the upgrade, oh the upgrades.
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02:34<blood>how do i upgrade from grub legacy?
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02:38<jm_>blood: try dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
02:38<manitou>use upgrade-from-grub-legacy, i think
02:41<blood>um so, it gives me an option to which partition i want to install the grub to but i dont know how to select a box ;s
02:41<jm_>but in general it's just: install it over the old one
02:41<jm_>try tab key and space
02:42<blood>yay for space
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02:43<blood>i want to install a nvidia driver but it says im to add lines to my sources.list but im not sure what im supposed to add.
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02:44<devil_>blood: 'contrib nonfree' to the squeeze line
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02:44<devil_>no extra line needed
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02:45<blood>manitou im already there
02:45<retrospectacus>that's non-free
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02:47<blood>devil_ i dont know where that line is.
02:48<jm_>blood: man sources.list tells you the location of the file
02:48<devil_>blood: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
02:48<devil_>should be right for squeeze
02:49<devil_>retrospectacus: ups, right
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02:49<manitou>just replace "squeeze main" with " squeeze main contrib non-free" in sources.list and apt-get upgrade then
02:52<blood>nothing happened
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02:53<blood> ugh
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02:55<blood>how do i check my debian version again?
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02:55<manitou>right, but squeeze not 'queeze'
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02:55<jm_>!debian version
02:55<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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02:55<manitou>lsb_release -a
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02:58<rudepeople>I have a problem with the chrome launcher... I installed chrome from the goole repo and the silly launcher keeps dissapearing... chrome IS still instaled and I can actually CREATE a new launcher, but what can I do to stop the original launchers from dissapearing in the first place?
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03:01<devil>rudepeople: why not use chromium-browser fronm debian?
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03:02<ottoshmidt>hi, do you know if debian package of gnucash is compiled with sql backend support?
03:03<rudepeople>i'm not a fan of re-branded software... heck, I actually installed firefox manually because I cant stand the look and name of iceweasel... I mean, "weasel"... really?
03:03<blood>It worked! i think ;o
03:03<devil>rudepeople: its not rebranded
03:04<rudepeople>...I cant make my lip any bigger and it's just not coming through in xchat...
03:04<devil>rudepeople: chromium is the codebase for chrome
03:04<rudepeople>devil: prety please :D
03:04<rudepeople>I know... but its all... grey...
03:04<devil>rudepeople: well, i have never seen chrome. so, no idea.
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03:05<rudepeople>devil: deb stable main
03:05<rudepeople>hot off the press from google.
03:05<devil>rudepeople: why would i?
03:06<devil>rudepeople: Chromium 12.0.702.0 (77908) Debian unstable
03:06<rudepeople>If you have to ask, I can't explain it... it's like trying to explain to a Windows lover why Linux is better... you just know it is, but they will never believe you.
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03:06<rudepeople>bad example I know, but it's the best I could come up with.
03:06<devil>rudepeople: i am months ahead of you :)
03:07<blood>After i installled squeezy, and following the release notes to the best of my knowledge is there anything else i should know about?
03:07<devil>blood: yes, its called squeeze :)
03:07<rudepeople>dang... no dice here... BACK TO GOOGLE!!!
03:07*rudepeople charges off into the sunset with toilet paper dangling from his shoe.
03:08<jm_>ottoshmidt: Depends: libdbi0 for version in wheezy
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03:08<blood>do i have to restart after i install a driver?
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03:08<devil>blood: not the cpmputer
03:08<devil>blood: depending on the driver...
03:08<ottoshmidt>jm_, aha, thanks
03:09<manitou>blood, have you enabled nvidia driver in xorg?
03:09<blood>devil: wait, i only got to step 2 of 4 ;d
03:10<blood>manitou: no ;(
03:10<devil>blood: oh, step 2, i see ;)
03:10<jm_>for nvidia you only need to modprobe it sometimes, sometimes nto even that
03:11<chealer>ottoshmidt: see
03:12<ottoshmidt>chealer, yes I installed libdbd drivers but
03:12<ottoshmidt>now I gont a message from gnucash
03:12<ottoshmidt>Gnucash will not open or save to SQL databases until this is fixed by installing a different version of "libdbi". Please see for more information.
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03:12<ottoshmidt>not sure which version of libdbi I need
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03:14<ottoshmidt>I guess from testing
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03:16<OddMod>I normally use hyperterminal from windows to access my switch. What tool is there in linux?
03:16<manitou>minicom ?
03:16<jm_>OddMod: several - minicom, screen, ...
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03:22<OddMod>how would I know which tty are the serial connectors on the back of my pc?
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03:22<blood>If i dont use a display manager, how do i close the session?
03:23<rudepeople>devil: fixed it... google updates chrome by updating a repo package... so when I added the repo line to /etc/apt/sources.list after installing google-chrome, google then added another entry to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/googlesomething.list... uninstalling google chrome, deleting all repo info and installing with the .deb from google fixed it!
03:23<jm_>OddMod: dmesg|grep tty
03:23<jm_>or grep tty /var/log/boot
03:24<jm_>they are probably in /sys too, but I can't check where on this system
03:24<jm_>blood: exit your window/session manager
03:24<rudepeople>NEXT! - is there an easy way to change my boot and login splashs? the whole "rocket ship" theme is a bit 8-year-old for me...
03:25<ml|>chromium in debian ftw ;) but better yet midori from git :)
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03:27<chealer>ottoshmidt: which Debian suite do you use?
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03:30<jm_>rudepeople: try installing alternative themes for usplash etc.
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03:32<rudepeople>jm_: looking into it...
03:32<jm_>rudepeople: 'apt-cache search usplash' to find them
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03:34<rudepeople>cool! /me found startup manager!
03:35<ottoshmidt>chealer, mixture
03:35*rudepeople looks kinda silly when /me is visible...
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03:36<ottoshmidt>chealer, that's why I prefer debian, it allows having some packages up to date while keeping the rest as they are
03:36<ottoshmidt>thus maintaining stability of the overall system
03:36<rudepeople>jm_: quick question... only 4:3 modes are available... why? is this something I can hack? (I have 6 widescreens... distortions are rather obvious when stretched out that much)
03:37<ottoshmidt>still the best packaging system I have ever met in distros
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03:40<rudepeople>jm_: nevermind... it looks nice-ish... now to figure out theming options...
03:40<blood>steps 3 and 4 complete
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03:40<blood>What is the program that allows me to run windows and linux simataniously?
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03:43<rudepeople>jm_: no usplash themes are ready made for apt... do I _have_ to go through the process of rebuilding my init.rd for this?
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03:43<rudepeople>or is there a repo I'm missing?\
03:44<jm_>rudepeople: what do you mean with ready made for apt?
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03:45<rudepeople>I mean, I have no option with apt to install themes for usplash... can I assume then that I have to manually install them?
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03:46<jm_>it doesn't list stuff like usplash-theme-debian debian-edu-artwork-usplash brdesktop-artwork-usplash ?
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03:47<jm_>maybe there are more docs on the debian art web page
03:47<chealer>ottoshmidt: so what is your default suite?
03:48<rudepeople>jm_: nope, nope and nope... looking up the debian art info...
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03:50<rudepeople>jm_: Im prety sure now that I'm missing a repo or two... where can I get documentation for what repos I _should_ have?
03:50<ottoshmidt>chealer, wheezy
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03:51<gsimmons>jm_: You're thinking of Lenny (usplash is not in squeeze). Squeeze uses Plymouth for boot splash/presentation.
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03:53<rudepeople>gsimmons, jm_: that makes sense... but I am using wheezy... shouldn't be TOO different yet...
03:53<rudepeople>ok, so plymouth... same search type only for plymouth?
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03:54<chealer>ottoshmidt: which version to you have?
03:54<jm_>gsimmons: doh, yes I still haven't upgraded
03:57<rudepeople>HOT DIGITY, that's much better... installing and testing now... going offline for a moment...
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03:58<jm_>I really should upgrade to squeeze next week, if nothing else, for iceweasel 4
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04:04<Tiff>squeeze has IW3.6....
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04:07<chealer>Tiff: 3.5
04:07<Tiff>so it does. :P
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04:20<ottoshmidt>chealer, Linux otodebian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
04:20<ilea>does sombody know a good messenger aplication that suports yahoo and haves audio/video chating?
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04:21<ottoshmidt>chealer, actually gnome-system-monitor tells Debian Release unstable (sid)
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04:21<chealer>ottoshmidt: that's your Linux version. which libdbiversion do you use?
04:21<ottoshmidt>I installed 0.8.2-3 from testing
04:21<ottoshmidt>and it works now
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04:26<blood>what do i need to install so that youtube works?
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05:44<sidh_>I'm running Squeeze, and for problem with raid card driver and xen4/2.6.32 kernel problem , I would like to test with a 2.6.34-xen kernel , I found a howto that explain how to compile a kernel , but it is for Sarge, so can I apply this method for Squeeze, and for a xen capable kernel ?
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05:45<jm_>more or less yes
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05:46<sidh_>maybe this documentation is more appropriate ?
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05:48<jm_>either way is OK, this is the official one
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05:49<sidh_>jm_: well but I've heard about mrproper command and I don't see this command in any of these 2 howto
05:49<frenbu>hello all
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05:51<jm_>sidh_: it's not a command, it's a make target
05:51<frenbu>i'm looking for help at installing nvidia non free drivers on debian 6.0.1a
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05:51<frenbu>is there a dedicated channel for non-free support?
05:51<jm_>!tell frenbu about nvidia
05:52<jm_>check the wiki page frenbu
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05:52<sidh_>frenbu: there is a wiki that explain different way to do so
05:53<sidh_>oops sorry
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05:54<frenbu>ok i'm looking at it, tnx
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08:11<mrnice`>hello, i guess i found a bug in Perl INC path in squeeze package, /usr/share/perl/5.10.1/ is not included
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08:42<ansgar>mrnice`: But /usr/share/perl/5.10 is. Take a look where that leads to.
08:43<mrnice`>ansgar, i see the link is correct, 5.10 -> 5.10.1
08:43<mrnice`>ansgar, but it doesnt work to find "/usr/share/perl/5.10.1/CPAN/LWP/"
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08:47<ansgar>mrnice`: Works for me: perl -mCPAN::LWP::UserAgent -e 'print $INC{"CPAN/LWP/"}' → /usr/share/perl/5.10/CPAN/LWP/
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08:50<mrnice`>ansgar, i got the same result with perl -mCPAN ... , but when i run a very small perl script, Can't locate LWP/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./ line 6.
08:50<mrnice`>BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./ line 6.
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08:50<mrnice`>included with use LWP::UserAgent;
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08:53<mrnice`>and with use lib '/usr/share/perl/5.10.1/CPAN'; it works
08:54<ansgar>mrnice`: CPAN::LWP::UserAgent is not LWP::UserAgent...
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08:55<mrnice`>ansgar, thx a lot, i am migrating stuff here, and i assumed LWP::UserAgent is correct
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08:58<ItalianPlumber>Good morning. I am looking to tweak my hard drive performance. I've found a tutorial here that says to add " noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro,data=writeback" to the mounting line in /etc/fstab. Where can I go to find out what these things do? I can't seem to find the right search terms in google.
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08:59<ItalianPlumber>my machine is a GUI-less 804 server.
08:59<lee>ItalianPlumber: man mount
09:00<ItalianPlumber>Thanks lee. ... I guess I should have thought of that. :)
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09:00<lee>might not answer all of them, though
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09:02<lee>And I wonder if not updating times and writeback is actually worthwhile.
09:03<hussamaismail>people, somebody could help me to create a tftpboot server ?
09:03<ansgar>mrnice`: LWP::UserAgent is in libwww-perl. You might have to install it.
09:03<hussamaismail>or somebody have a tutorial/readme ?
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09:05<ItalianPlumber>lee: heh, a "rumor" in a man page --> "This is rumoured to be the highest-throughput option."
09:07<gsimmons>dpkg: tell hussamaismail -about tftp
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09:09<lee>ItalianPlumber: Yes --- I´d like to see benchmarks towards this. It sounds like it might mess up data on your filesystem, so it´s up to you to decide what´s more important to you. Not updating the times? When you really have lots of files, it might have an advantage. For "normal usage", I don´t know what the advantage is.
09:09<ItalianPlumber>yeah I'm not going to do any of this stuff.
09:10<ItalianPlumber>on the tutorial, I've decided.
09:10<lee>changing the swappiness might be interesting, though
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09:10<ItalianPlumber>what the guy doesn't say is whether you can do some of those things but not all of them.
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09:11<ItalianPlumber>i'm running 3 virtual machines. I recently upgraded my RAM from 2 GB to 8GB, thinking that would allow those machines to run more smoothly. Instead they seem to run worse.
09:12<lee>ItalianPlumber: You could do all of them. What you´ll gain is probably marginal. However, changing the swappiness can probably help in some circumstances.
09:12<lee>ItalianPlumber: There are other ways of improving performance, like using RAID ...
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09:13<lee>ItalianPlumber: ... or spreading partitions across your disks in an otpimized way.
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09:14<lee>ItalianPlumber: Is your kernel actually making use of the whole 8GB?
09:15<jm_>ItalianPlumber: using noatime and nodiratime is OK unless you are using tools that want this (I think mutt is one of those)
09:15<ItalianPlumber>I guess I'm not sure how to determine that
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09:15<lee>ItalianPlumber: And with 8GB, you can enable or disable Ganged Mode (if you use amd64).
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09:16<ItalianPlumber>I have a quad core CPU and I'm also wondering if all of the VMs are running off of the same core
09:16<ItalianPlumber>or if the host is spreading out the load
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09:16<lee>ItalianPlumber: Memory should be reported in dmesg when booting. Same for CPUs.
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09:17<lee>ItalianPlumber: I don´t know how Ubuntu kernels are set up. I´d highly recommend you compile your own kernel.
09:17<ItalianPlumber>I'm getting alot of this:
09:17<ItalianPlumber>[269666.958554] [5221]: host clock rate change request 83 -> 1043
09:17<ItalianPlumber>[269676.953184] [5221]: host clock rate change request 1043 -> 83
09:18<lee>ItalianPlumber: turn off everything you don´t need and turn on everything that can be useful for your purpose
09:19<lee>ItalianPlumber: When you have cpufreq-tools (or so) installed, you can check at what frequency your cores are running.
09:19<ItalianPlumber>Hmm... compile my own kernel... I've seen that before in FreeBSD, where it was rediculously complicated (as everything is in FreeBSD) ... is there a Debian tutorial for it that you recommend?
09:20<SynrG>!kernel compile
09:20<dpkg>[kernel compile] To (re)build the official Debian kernels, see . For personal kernel packages, it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>.
09:21<lee>ItalianPlumber: There are some tutorials ... Debian proposes their own way to do it, using make-kpg or so. I don´t it that way because it´s too complicated.
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09:22<lee>ItalianPlumber: I install the Debian kernel sources, run either make oldconfig and/or make menuconfig and then make bzImage and make modules. Then I copy the new kernel over manually and run make modules_install.
09:22<SynrG>i used to make-kpkg. i now use the method described in the wiki above. it is multi-step but not particularly hard. the advantage is it's less likely to diverge from debian kernels because it's the way the kernel team officially supports.
09:22<SynrG>make-kpkg isn't used by the kernel team
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09:22<lee>ItalianPlumber: That´s much easier than messing around with making packages. Of course, I eventually need to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and to run update-mkinitramfs ...
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09:23<SynrG>just grabbing the debian kernel sources ... will that get the right config? see different make targets in the wiki howto above per arch.
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09:23<SynrG>per arch & per flavour, i mean
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09:24<REINE-Marie>slt tout le monde
09:24<ItalianPlumber>Okay looks like I have some reading to do. :)
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09:24<SynrG>the extra complexity is not there to annoy you. it's there because there are dozens of possible debian kernels, not just one.
09:24<REINE-Marie>what kind of readings,
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09:25<REINE-Marie>u guys using linux right now?
09:25<SynrG>!smart questions
09:25<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
09:25<REINE-Marie>who wants to do a script?
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09:25<REINE-Marie>i need some help
09:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:27<lee>SynrG: The wiki doesn´t say anything about configuring the kernel.
09:28<blood>Can someone help me with my limited understanding? im trying to use cmake and it cannot find a dependency so to manully link it wants me to point to the dependency so for example "ZZip_LIBRARY_DBG-NOTFOUND" can some one clarify what that is
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09:28<SynrG>lee: yes it does.
09:28<REINE-Marie>yo guys
09:28<REINE-Marie>whats up
09:28<lee>SynrG: Where?
09:28<REINE-Marie>im a hot bitch
09:28<SynrG>lee: "Building only a single kernel variant" <- under this point
09:28<REINE-Marie>i want some sex
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09:29<lee>SynrG: Ah, you´re right.
09:30<lee>SynrG: So what´s all the other things needed for?
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09:30<francois>i was kidding
09:30<SynrG>lee: mostly application of patches.
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09:30<SynrG>lee: if you're not doing that, skip those steps.
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09:30<SynrG>lee: also bumping up the version# in the changelog to have properly-versioned packages built.
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09:31<lee>SynrG: Yeah, I don´t need all that :)
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09:32<lee>SynrG: I´d use a standard kernel if that would work with shorewall ...
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09:32<SynrG>lee: most of the 9 steps comes down to about 3 steps when you're doing it over and over again and not applying patches
09:32<SynrG>lee: it's not terribly complex
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09:32<SynrG>also, that page lists variants you can ignore (e.g. fetching from svn)
09:32<lee>SynrG: Well, I could try it just for fun. What are the advantages?
09:32<SynrG>plays well with package system, e.g. dkms packages
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09:33<SynrG>so when modules are updated or you build a new version of a kernel, you get automatic rebuilds of dkms things
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09:33<SynrG>e.g. virtualbox modules
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09:34<lee>SynrG: That could currently lead to not being able to boot without a kernel panic.
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09:34<SynrG>also, as i said, less divergence from "the debian way" which can save time debugging problems
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09:34<SynrG>(in that it helps identify more readily whether the problem you're facing is because you've diverged from "the debian way" or something else)
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09:35<Francis>can anyone help me with scripts?
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09:36<ItalianPlumber>Where can I find, in dmesg, whether or not my kernel is using all of my RAM? What am I looking for?
09:36<lee>SynrG: It would ... So what happens when you have the kernel sources installed? Are Debian specfic things already applied, or will they only be applied when you use the complicated process described in the Wiki?
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09:37<SynrG>!ops Francis possible spambot, please also check ip# and former nick REINE-Marie
09:37<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: synrg complains about: Francis possible spambot, please also check ip# and former nick REINE-Marie
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09:37<winnie_>hello everyone
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09:37<kristianpaul>There is way to recover the mail sent by bugreport when it was rejected by the MTA?
09:37<lee>ItalianPlumber: [ 0.000000] Memory: 8179736k/9175040k available (2513k kernel code, 790340k absent, 204004k reserved, 1286k data, 372k init)
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09:38<SynrG>lee: i don't know the answer to that
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09:38<SynrG>lee: faced with this uncertainty, i just follow what the debian kernel team recommends.
09:38<kristianpaul>ah, mail spoll
09:39<SynrG>lee: if you really want to know, you could diff kernel trees and config files and such
09:39<lee>SynrG: Hm, maybe I´ll try it out then :)
09:39<winnie_>i often find myself mounting an sftp share on my local network to transfer files between two machines, but if the other machine is shut down before i unmount the share, nautilus freezes completely and i can't unmount the share with a msg that the device is busy. The only way i have figured it out is to either restart my computer, or turn on the other machine and unmount the volume.
09:39<SynrG>i was never motivated enough to do that sort of analysis :)
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09:39<ItalianPlumber>[ 23.664319] Memory: 8154840k/8880128k available (2530k kernel code, 200160k reserved, 1333k data, 328k init)
09:40<lee>SynrG: Well, things are working fine, so I don´t have much reason to change the way I´m doing it :)
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09:41<winnie_>nevermind, sometimes i have to see my question written to realize how stupid it is
09:41<SynrG>lee: i just figure if-and-when things break, i can at least file a bug on the kernel source if i'm following the kernel team recommended way to build packages from it
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09:41<SynrG>otherwise i'm on my own and have to always file upstream.
09:41<lee>SynrG: Well, I filed on this week because of the kernel panic, and they found they changed something.
09:42<SynrG>they? kernel team?
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09:42<lee>SynrG: The package maintainer(s).
09:42<SynrG>(er, debian kernel team)
09:43<lee>SynrG: see Bug#619173
09:43<lee>SynrG: Nobody asked how I compiled the kernel.
09:43<SynrG>ah. well, i guess details differ from case to case. i just figure following what they recommend makes it, on the whole, easier to discern "debian broke it" things vs. "the user broke it"
09:44<SynrG>if they can see right away a problem, then good
09:44<SynrG>if not, then they might ask
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09:44<lee>ItalianPlumber: Looks good --- though I´m not entirely sure if your kernel does use all the memory instead of only seeing it.
09:45<lee>ItalianPlumber: There´s an option for that in the kernel configuration to make it use all memory. At least there was ...
09:45<lee>SynrG: Perhaps I should just try. The interesting thing is that the default Debian kernel boots without panicing.
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09:48<Francis>ya des français,
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09:51<lee>SynrG: Interesing, I´d have to download 479MB worth of packages to satisfy the kernel build deps.
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09:51<lee>SynrG: How could I possibly compile a kernel without that? ;))
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09:52<SynrG>lee: where's the bulk of the size of that? i see it wants python-dev
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09:52<lee>SynrG: latex, I guess
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09:53<lee>SynrG: well, not latex, but some other variant or so
09:53<SynrG>lee: latex? surely not a direct dep
09:53<SynrG>what if you install without recommends?
09:54<lee>texlive-base texlive-bibtex-extra texlive-binaries texlive-common texlive-doc-base texlive-extra-utils texlive-font-utils texlive-fonts-recommended
09:54<Liyan_oz>how to make server in debian ?
09:54<lee>and so on ...
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09:54<SynrG>lee: right, so: apt-get build-dep --without-recommends linux-2.6
09:54<blood>Liyan_oz with apache2 ;o
09:54<peterS>blood: I prefer to make my server with postfix (:
09:55<lee>SynrG: The wiki doesn´t say that ... Too late now, doesn´t matter :)
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09:55<Liyan_oz>set IP ?
09:55<SynrG>lee: i'm just saying ... that's probably the case. and that will be a problem no matter what you do, not just with kernels
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09:55<blood>peterS: is it better?
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09:55<lee>SynrG: yep, it´s good to know
09:56<peterS>blood: it's better at SMTP service. my point is that "a server" is pretty vague. you named an HTTP server, I named an SMTP server. many servers out there would be both, or neither.
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09:57<blood>PeterS: is it legit to use both?
09:58<blood>suppose it would be
09:58<peterS>certainly. serving email and serving web traffic have little to do with each other and there's no reason a single computer can't do both
09:59<peterS>in the Windows world they like to teach that a single server should just do one thing, so if you have 5 services it should be 5 servers. that's a really good reason to want virtualization. but it's also a pretty good reason to not want to use Windows for servers
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10:00<blood>what works well with ftp?
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10:01<[machine]>peterS: separation of services is also desirable from a security perspective
10:01<peterS>there are many ftp servers packaged for Debian. I happen to prefer vsftpd, but they all work
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10:04<blood>does a video game send data via ftp?
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10:06<blood>what is the perferd method?
10:09<blood>not a good question?
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10:14<viru>hi, I have an issue when replacing postfix with exim4 on Squeeze. E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'exim4-daemon-light'. I've found a workaround for that to install exim4-base and exim4-config first, but it removes some packages that depends on mail-transport-agent (provided by postfix)
10:14<lee>SynrG: Hm, using apt-get to download the kernel source applies diffs ...
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10:15<lbt>so when I do dpkg-buildpackage the resulting .dsc and .deb etc end up in ../ .... can I specify an alternate target?
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10:17<koollman>viru: why are you going from postfix to exim, and did you first failed to do something with exim, and, say, break the configuration ?
10:19<viru>koollman: I've received new VM images I have to use and I'm deploying some software there. By default there's postfix installed on those VMs and our software depends on exim. So I'm installing on almost clean system (except there's postfix installed)
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10:27<ItalianPlumber>I'm thinking of moving my server from ubuntu hardy to squeeze. Are there any major gotchas?
10:27<ItalianPlumber>Things I need to be aware of?
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10:29<ItalianPlumber>thanks to any of you who may be seeding the netinst for 601. Speedy download! :)
10:31<blood>why is it that it is advertised as a 15mb/s connection when its only 1.5mb/s (relativly speaking) when we were running 56kb/s was it really 5.6kb/s?
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10:32<themill>kb != kB
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10:33<blood>so its mb not mB...
10:34<themill>m is milli; hopefully you have mega (M)
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10:35<blood>me to
10:35<frenbu>so 15Mb/s is 1.88 MB/s
10:35<SynrG>minus overhead
10:35<blood>i think they should advertise the latter
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10:36<SynrG>not really. the tubes carry bits, not bytes, so that's what's advertised
10:36<blood>rather they should advertise the latter
10:37<ItalianPlumber>the intertubes?
10:37<SynrG>bytes are actually complicated creatures when it comes to getting them from point A to point B because depending on the protocol, extra space may or may not be used (check bits and the like)
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10:38<themill>they could also be clear about whether they mean mega or mibi, but I can't see that happening either, can you?
10:38<Liyan_oz>how to be debian developer in indonesia?
10:38<dpkg>[nm] New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>.
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10:39<ItalianPlumber>same thing happens when advertising hard drive space. On the package it says "1 GB is 1,000,000,000 bytes!!!" ... um, no it's not. :)
10:40<dvs>ItalianPlumber: Yes, it is! Marketing people know better than computer people! ;-)
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10:42<blood>makes me think of my parents, which is better the ipad with 40gigs or the one with 60gigs ;p
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10:43<leocade>hey guys i was wondering if it was normal when transferring files from 1 disk to another for some of my programs to freeze for a couple of seconds. I have an amd phenom x4 3.0ghz 4 gigs of ram and a 1tb WD caviar black and a 500gb WD SE1.6 programs that i notice freeze for a few seconds are iceweasel and evolution
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10:43<leocade>i use gnome
10:44<SynrG>Liyan_oz: there is #debian-id, but nobody there right now. channel topic may have some interesting things to check out, though.
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10:46<blood>why does a byte take extra space when moving?
10:47<blood>why can a byte*
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10:49<SynrG>in the days of serial communications, it was common to use "stop bits" to identify where a byte begins and ends
10:50<dvs>and there's error correction
10:50<SynrG>also a parity bit was sometimes used as a simple way to verify if the byte was sent correctly or not
10:50<dvs>or at least detection
10:50<SynrG>while the transport mechanisms have changed, the principle is the same ...
10:50<frenbu>it takes extra space because it's usually transported by a protocol (=bytes) that acts like a "vehicle" for move on a certain path
10:50<SynrG>bits are just bits
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10:50<SynrG>bandwidth is measured in bits because that's "raw capacity"
10:51<koollman>blood: it acquires energy/mass proprotionnally to its speed. Err ... no. that's something else. It takes a specific space because the protocol says so
10:51<koollman>not because it is moving
10:51<lee>Do you need MTRR support together with x86 PAT support in the kernel configuration or only the latter?
10:52<koollman>blood: if you store or transmit a byte on various devices, it will take different form. (usually, error correcting codes are used, so you have bits to check parity or other properties, perhaps checksums for blocks/packets, and informations related to the protocol or device itself)
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10:54<babilen>lee: Excuse my nosiness and parlance, but wtf are you doing?
10:54<lee>My CPU supports both MTRR and PAT. Does this mean I should enable both?
10:55<lee>babilen: I´m compiling a kernel.
10:55<lee>bibilen: or more precisely, I´m looking at the configuration
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10:57<babilen>lee: So much seems obvious, but why? Are you talking about CONFIG_MTRR and CONFIG_X86_PAT ?
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10:57<lee>babilen: yes, exactly
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10:57<babilen>lee: And why do you feel the urge to compile your own kernel, configure it from scratch?
10:57<lee>babilen: When you look at the help, it says PAT is more flexible.
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10:58<babilen>lee: FWIW they are both =y in Debian's stock config. But its your kernel, decide yourself :)
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10:58<lee>babilen: I´m not configuring it from scratch. I´m trying out
10:59<babilen>lee: For fun and profit? Or is there some real reason behind it?
10:59<lee>babilen: I´m trying to find out what I should use: both or PAT only ...
10:59<lee>babilen: For the fun of it. I´ve always compiled my own kernels, just by other ways.
11:00<lee>babilen: Something may be different when I do it the way described in the wiki.
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11:00<lee>babilen: if it turns out to be a good way of doing it, I´ll keep doing it that way in the future
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11:02<lee>babilen: When you look at, they are saying that write-combining in /proc/mtrr should be the fastest. I´m seeing write-back there. Can that be changed?
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11:02<babilen>lee: Three quotes for you: "PATs are the modern equivalents of MTRRs and are much more flexible than MTRRs.", "Saying Y here also fixes a problem with buggy SMP BIOSes which only set the MTRRs for the boot CPU and not for the secondary CPUs. This can lead to all sorts of problems, so it's good to say Y here." and "You can safely say Y even if your machine doesn't have MTRRs, you'll just add about 9 KB to your kernel."
11:03<babilen>lee: As I said, they are both =y in Debian's stock config so I would recommend to enable both. Are you sure that you are not funroll-looping?
11:03<lee>babilen: "PATs are the modern equivalents of MTRRs and are much more flexible than MTRRs.": That´s why I´m asking.
11:04<lee>babilen: When they are "better", should I better turn off MTRR support?
11:04<blood>"Unlike MTRRs, which provide the ability to manipulate the behavior of caching for a limited number of fixed physical address ranges, Page Attribute Tables allow for such behavior to be specified on a per-page basis, greatly increasing the ability of the operating system to select the most efficient behavior for any given task"
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11:04<SynrG>lee: i find microoptimization of kernels at this level rather boring work, and damages the ability to do bare metal recovery
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11:05<babilen>yes, MTRRs are wonderful, but *why do you care* -- Enable both and work on something meaningful :)
11:05<lee>SynrG: well, I´m curious :)
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11:05<lee>blood: You´re suggesting to turn them off?
11:05<SynrG>lee: unless you're an embedded developer making a kernel for serious constraints, when in doubt, just accept the defaults.
11:06<lee>SynrG: I want to know :)
11:06<SynrG>and *if* you're an embedded developer, you're expected to know your hardware well enough already to know the answer :)
11:07<Liyan_oz>where can i upload my tools for debian ?
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11:07<sney>upload your tools?
11:07<SynrG>Liyan_oz: also has information about getting packages sponsored.
11:08<SynrG>Liyan_oz: there is also #debian-mentors to help with packaging and package sponsorship
11:08<lee> answers my question
11:08<SynrG>Liyan_oz: that's more appropriate for further questions than here
11:08<lee>You need both MTRR and PAT support for PAT to work.
11:08<SynrG>Liyan_oz: i think you should really read nm.d.o more before further questions, though
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11:09<babilen>funroll-loops I say!
11:10<sney>more to the point, if the gentoo wiki is answering his questions, then why is he asking them here?
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11:10<blood>lee: so use PAT? or both?
11:11<SynrG>heh. yes. i think we've strayed quite a bit from debian support now
11:12<SynrG>you want #funwithtweakingkernelconfigs or something
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11:12<SynrG>(not sure where that topic is discussed, actually)
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11:13<blood> of the 483 users in this channel only ~5 of us are in an active conversation...
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11:13<babilen>blood: and?
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11:14<blood>just saying, we gotta keep ourselves entertained
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11:14<lee>blood: Enable both. PAT is taking over what MTRR provides, so there´s no PAT without MTRR.
11:15<babilen>blood: There is #moocows, #debian-ot and a million other channels to keep us entertained. No need to stray into off-topic regions here.
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11:16<blood>lee: seems like a paradox, if u turn off MTRR - PAT also turns off.
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11:16<SynrG>blood: that's highly insensitive to the 478 users not in an active conversation, many of whom may be helpers, wasting time sorting through non-debian-support drivel to try to find legitimate questions to help with
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11:17<lee>blood: you mean by the configuration?
11:18<SynrG>so, lee, blood, if you do want to continue, would you kindly take it off-channel? tnx
11:18<blood>lee: i mean theoretically
11:19<lee>SynrG: Do you think we´re off topic?
11:19<lee>blood: I don´t know, I can only tell you what´s on
11:20<SynrG>lee: i don't just think you're offtopic, i *know* you're offtopic, and three people have explicitly or implicitly told you so already, yes.
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11:23<lee>SynrG: Oh, I didn´t see that --- and I don´t see why a question like this would be offtopic. It doesn´t matter though since I´ve found an answer ...
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11:25<SynrG>lee: debian support is a very broad topic, and admittedly it touches on a lot of things. the lines can be blurred sometimes. but when your conversation diverges into extended not-debian-specific discussion, it has become OT and should be moved elsewhere
11:26<SynrG>and your kernel tweaking certainly qualifies as OT by this criteria
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11:26<blood>are u a mod / op?
11:26<SynrG>is that relevant?
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11:28<lee>SynrG: It´s a Debian specific question because I´m configuring a Debian kernel: Just to show you that your argumentation would make a lot of the questions asked here offtopic.
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11:28<SynrG>nothing about your lengthy discussion about MTRR / PAT is in any way debian-specific
11:29<nadir>and Debian comes with a kernel. Compiling a kernel might be on-topic, tweaking it is rather not.
11:30<nadir>imho, sure.
11:30<lee>SynrG: Apply your argumentation each time somebody asks a question here and tell them they´re offtopic if you find it´s not a Debian specific question.
11:30<SynrG>straw man
11:30<sney>... that's actually something that happens all the time
11:30<SynrG>if they ask something not immediately apparent as debian-specific i give the benefit of the doubt and try to help
11:30<babilen>SynrG: What is a Debian kernel? Any kernel that you use for a Debian system? The kernel provided by the Debian project? (linux-image...) I would say the latter and that is what we support. But *this* discussion is even more off-topic :)
11:31<lee>nadir: Configuring a kernel is part of compiling one.
11:31<SynrG>when it takes up considerable time and bandwidth and is clearly not debian-specific, then it is polite to move it elsewhere.
11:31<nadir>use localmodconfig and be done with it. for more ask the gentoe folk.
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11:32<arasorn>Sziasztok :)
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11:32<sney>and if what you really want is to discuss the kernel optimizations that ship with Debian kernels as a default, then the correct irc to discuss that is still #debian-offtopic, with a possible move to the -devel mailing lists if it turns out you're on to something.
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11:33<lee>SynrG: Imho it´s only polite to point to an answer one has found for a question he was asking. There is no reason for others to start attacking with problematic argumentations like you do.
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11:34<blood>were having a "debian debate!"
11:34<lee>SynrG: Just wait for the next person to ask a question here, and I´ll apply your argumentation about being Debian specific or not.
11:34<sney>meta-discussions about the politeness of #debian helpers and developers is also offtopic in #debian
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11:35<sney>lee: and if you start abusing noobs in for your object lesson, someone will ban you in short order
11:35<dpkg>1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
11:36<blood>!based on debian
11:36<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
11:36<sney>blood: you can also /msg dpkg keyword
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11:37<blood>we all need to read it ;o
11:37<lee>sney: And you´re the one to decide who´s a noob and who isn´t ... Why did SynrG and you even start this discussion?
11:37<jhutchins_lt>lee: Could you please move the off-topic comentary to an appropriate channel?
11:37<SynrG>sigh, indeed.
11:38<lee>Could you please stop attacking me for no reason?
11:38<jww_>you so mean SynrG !
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11:44<blood>after joining debian-offtopic, it seems that channel is for talking about anything from cats to other kernels.
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12:29<mha>just installed debian 6 from dvd but KDE was not installed, how to install it from dvd?
12:30<nevyn>apt-get install kde4-full
12:30<mha>will this get from dvd or from repo?
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12:31<babilen>!install kde
12:31<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
12:32<petemc>mha: check /etc/apt/sources.list , it should have entries pointing to the dvd, if not you can add them
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12:32<babilen>mha: That depends on your sources. If you configured online repositories it will probably download it from there. Please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to
12:32<babilen>mha: And what would you prefer? What do you want it to do?
12:33<mha>babi: currently I have a dvd so prefer for the time being to install from dvd
12:34<SynrG>mha: *a* dvd doesn't sound useful if you didn't select the kde flavour, that's all
12:35<mha>babilen: here u are
12:35<babilen>mha: I would be surprise if KDE is not on the first DVD, so make sure you have the DVD in /etc/apt/sources.list and install the KDE package of your choice. (See above)
12:35<sney>dvd1 has all 3 (4?) popular DE choices on it, iirc
12:35<SynrG>ah. got it
12:35<SynrG>ignore me then :)
12:35<sney>it's why there is no KDE- (xfce-, lxde-) special DVD1 edition as there is for the CDs. I think.
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12:36*nevyn remembers when woody came out and was like 7 cd's and I groused to aj because wireless-tools was on cd6! and not in base
12:36<SynrG>tbh, i am on a crappy link here so i didn't do my homework (since all network interaction is paiinful)
12:36<SynrG>nevyn: ouch
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12:38<nevyn>SynrG: I blame the cluster users running popcon skewing the result
12:38<nevyn>so crap like fortran76 is on disk1
12:38<mekt>Is antialiased text sometimes mangled for all XServers? Some glyphs have pieces missing.
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12:39<mha>babilen: are still ther?
12:40<mha>babilen: are you still there?
12:40<sney>mha: more people than just babilen know how to help, link your paste if you've got it
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12:40<mha>here is the link
12:40<babilen>mha: Ah, I thought you tried it already ... Is it not working?
12:41<lee>When compiling a Debian kernel going by the instructions on, how do you make it so that the configuration is recognized? The process apparently compiles everything there is rather than only what´s configured.
12:42<mha>E0x: Unable to locate package kde4-full
12:43<babilen>mha: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy kde-full"
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12:45<sney>lee: by the configuration, do you mean the changes you made with make *config? you just have to make sure the output of that command exists in the root of your kernel source tree. for other config changes, the debian/rules files seem to control a lot
12:46<babilen>mha: Looks as if "kde-full" is not on the DVD ... Don't you have a working network connection now? Could you try installing one of the smaller packages, like "kde-standard" or "kde-plasma-desktop" ?
12:46<lee>sney: I mean the kernel configuration, as edited with make menuconfig.
12:46<mha>it is all there but in tar.bz2 files
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12:47<babilen>mha: I don't quite understand. What is where?
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12:48<sney>make menuconfig, when run in the kernel source tree, generates a text file called .config . just make sure it's there and you should be good to go. some pieces of some components still need to be built even if the actual component is disabled, so you should analyze the end result rather than what you see scrolling by during the build process.
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12:49<mha>on /LFXDVD143/Desktop/KDE 18 tar.bz2 files all for KDE4.6
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12:50<mekt>nevyn: maybe they run popcon on every of many virtual machines in the cluster.
12:51<babilen>mha: So you can't install one of the smaller packages? And you also don't have a working network connection?
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12:51<mha>I have a working connection which I am chatting from now
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12:52<babilen>mha: do you want to install the *complete* kde? (which means *everyhting*)
12:52<lee>sney: The config is there. It´s not like it´s only build a few more things than expected. It´s building load of stuff I never need.
12:52<mha>babilen: yes
12:52<mha>at least for desktop use
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12:53<jhutchins_lt>,versions kde-base
12:53<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kde-base' was found in i386.
12:53<babilen>mha: Could you show me what happens when you run "aptitude install kde-full", please?
12:53<nevyn>babilen: no it doesn't you still don't get koffice or openoffice-kde kde extras
12:53<jhutchins_lt>,versions kde-window-manager
12:54<judd>Package kde-window-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; sid: 4:4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4:4.4.5-8
12:54<nevyn>,versions kde-minimal
12:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kde-minimal' was found in i386.
12:54<babilen>mha: What about "aptitude install kde-standard" ?
12:54<babilen>!tell jhutchins_lt -about install kde
12:54<babilen>jhutchins_lt: ;)
12:55<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Note 4.6 above
12:55<babilen>4.6 ?
12:55<mha>babilen: I guess it is working now but downloading from net not from dvd!!
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12:55<todd_dsm>newb Install question: There are 8 DVDs; how many of them do you need for a default install? default: accepting defaults during install.
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12:56<nevyn>todd_dsm: dvd's arn't really a good way to install debian
12:56<babilen>mha: What is /LFXDVD143 ?
12:56<sney>actually, you only *really* need the first CD. or the netinstall, if you have a network connection that doesn't require firmware
12:56<nevyn>todd_dsm: installing from the netinst cd is much easier assuming you'll have a network availible
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12:56<mha>babilen: dvd from Linus format magazine
12:56<todd_dsm>nevyn: please...what is the best method?
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12:56<todd_dsm>I do
12:57<dpkg>somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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12:57<todd_dsm>at this point I'd like to eval debian. begin with a simple install and build it from there.
12:57<babilen>mha: Ah, that one is probably quite different from the official Debian ones
12:57<nevyn>todd_dsm: the only slight gotcha is if you need firmware to make your intial network go.
12:57<mha>babilen: ofcourse.
12:58<todd_dsm>firmware for what, exactly?
12:58<sney>todd_dsm: if you're on a wired connection then boom, no problem. If you'll be using wifi then it varies
12:58<sney>wifi firmware.
12:58<todd_dsm>no, totally wired - and had my coffee this morning :)
12:58<sney>due to lazy upstream development and proprietary design practices
12:58<sney>good to go for netinst, then.
12:58<babilen>!tell todd_dsm -about firmware images
12:58<babilen>!tell todd_dsm -about ig
12:59<todd_dsm>roger that; thank you.
12:59<jhutchins_lt>mha: The magazine should include instructions explaining what the DVD contains and how to install it.
12:59<todd_dsm>yes - tell, tell!
12:59<babilen>todd_dsm: I would use the firmware images and follow the installation guide in order to achieve the best results.
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12:59<babilen>todd_dsm: Look at the private messages you got from dpkg :)
12:59<sney>hmm, the firmware images also contain binary blobs for stuff like ATI graphics
13:00<sney>not as important as a working network connection, but convenient nonetheless
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13:00<todd_dsm>I'll be going commando with this - no UI - no underwear!
13:01<sney>it's a good way to learn
13:02<todd_dsm>I've been working centos for years now. I've got the training wheel stuff outta the way ;)
13:02<todd_dsm>Now, I just want to stretch my legs a bit, and see what else is out there.
13:02<nevyn>todd_dsm: surely you're going to use a hex editor at least
13:03<babilen>todd_dsm: have fun then -- I would recommend *not* to install the "Desktop" task during the install, but to install a "Standard" system and take it from there.
13:03<todd_dsm>lol, for what?
13:03<sney>centos, that's one of the rpm distros isn't it?
13:03<nevyn>well to poke stuff into the kernel
13:03<todd_dsm>yes sir, it is.
13:03<nevyn>you said no UI
13:03<todd_dsm>I use a UI on my desktop; not the servers.
13:03<nevyn>so no shell. no text editors no tui's no commandline editing just you and a kernel
13:04<sney>read the man pages for the apt tools and dpkg, the package management on debian behaves somewhat differently than it does on the rpm side
13:04<sney>just a tip
13:04<babilen>nevyn: I guess it is save to assume that todd_dsm actually meant GUI or rather WM/DE
13:04<babilen>!tell todd_dsm -about reference
13:04<babilen>todd_dsm: That document is worth a look too
13:04<todd_dsm>sorry, no GUI.
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13:05<nevyn>well they suck anyway. and they're a pain for security policy.
13:05<nevyn>auditors love to hate on X
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13:06<todd_dsm>agreed, all I need is vi and a comfy chair - the rest is all exploration :)
13:06<babilen>todd_dsm: I would say that you should treat yourself to vim at least ;)
13:07*nevyn likes vim. but I'm a decadant newb
13:07<todd_dsm>well, ok - if you insist
13:07<nevyn>I get scorned by the greybeards in the office for using things like syntax highlighting occasionally
13:07*babilen invites you to #debian-offtopic
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13:09<babilen>mha: Given that you don't have a real debian cd I would recommend to just remove the CD lines from your /etc/apt/sources.list and run "aptitude update" as you'll probably download everyhting from the online mirrors anyway.
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13:20<retrospectacus>storm: hello
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13:24<storm>how are you?
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13:25<retrospectacus>storm: great. Do you have a debian question we can help you with?
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13:28<ballison>I'm trying to remotely install syslogd on 100+ servers. The syslogd package when you try to install it with apt-get PROMPTS the user to select what to do about a preexisting file "/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd". I want to use the package maintainer's version.
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13:29<ballison>since it's prompted remotely, and this is a remote script running the install it fails.
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13:29<ballison>how do i tell 'apt-get' to pass a answer to the prompt question?
13:30<sney>well, -y will assume a yes answer
13:30<ballison>sney tells it to answer "yes" to the install
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13:30<ballison>not to answer yes to the prompt question about files
13:30<ballison>i'm already using apt-get install -y --force-yes syslogd
13:31<ballison>that's what i'm being prompted with and the error
13:31<ballison> "EOF on stdin at conffile prompt"
13:32<sney>I wonder if you could feed it an i with 'yes'
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13:32<jackyf>ballison: apt-get doesn't prompt the user, dpkg does
13:32<ballison>so i need a dpkg option/
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13:33<jackyf>so you might want to pass either '--force-confold' or '--force-confnew': 'apt-get install syslogd -o dpkg::options::=--force-confnew'
13:33<jackyf>use with caution, though.
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13:34<ballison>jackyf: 'apt-get install -y --force-yes syslogd -o dpkg::options::=--force-confnew'
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13:35<SynrG>ballison: which will stomp on any confs you made, yes
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13:35<jackyf>ballison: besides, I don't think --force-yes is needed, but it's your call.
13:36<SynrG>ballison: make sure you read the help dpkg --force-help first
13:36<ballison>--force-help or --force-yes :)
13:37<ballison>I wish --force-help caused my phone to ring with someone there to answer my questions. :)
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13:37<SynrG>ballison: i mean you do, and i cannot stress this enough, know what --force-confnew is going to do, right?
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13:38<ballison>it's going to overwrite my current /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd file
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13:39<ballison>i already did a diff of them, and they were off by just one variable in one line. i'd rather trust the one that came with the package (given that other hands have touched this before me)
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13:44<Modular>I am looking to have a webserver running locally and when someone clicks on a link command is run on the webserver locally I know this is the opposite of 'security' but want to do it anyway
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13:45<storm>а по русски? ;)
13:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
13:46<babilen>Modular: You want it to run and run again when someone clicks a link? Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you are trying to achieve
13:46<babilen>Modular: You want the webserver to serve webpages with various commands and execute them when they are clicked?
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13:48<retrospectacus>Modular: that is a pretty bad idea but ok... what are you asking us?
13:50<Modular>retrospectacus: its going to be a headless box that just plays pandora. I want to have a web interface to tell it what stations to load.
13:50<lee>Modular is asking a non Debian specific question ...
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13:50<Modular>its not going to face the internet.
13:50<babilen>lee: Please take it elsewhere, this is getting ridiculous.
13:51<retrospectacus>Modular: put x11VNC on it
13:52<SynrG>Modular: or else consider using ssh
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13:53<Modular>Yeah i though about using ssh but I want my significant other to use it and she won't be as handy with using SSH also doesn't really support the mobile access i was hoping for.
13:53<lee>babilen: So ony particular ppl are allowed to attack others who aren´t even allowed to point when someone asks a question that is off topic. Interesting ...
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13:53<SynrG>Modular: hm? for my "ssh-challenged" family members, i set them up with pre-authenticated keys on the host and commandline shortcuts
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13:53<lee>babilen: and finally you realize how ridiculous this is
13:54<SynrG>for the commandline-challenged, make a launcher link that runs the command (or script it with some gui scripting)
13:55<retrospectacus>Modular: VNC viewing is not especially difficult, even for girls
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13:55<Modular>SynrG: thanks I will see how that looks implemented. Even if I don't care about this box being broken web server with runable lines is a bad thing?
13:55<MrFrood>Modular: I can't stay to discuss this but if you install the bucktooth gopher server you can use "moles" to execute shellscripts when a menu item is clicked
13:55<Modular>retrospectacus: yeah I was looking for a way to just launch things from an android
13:55<SynrG>Modular: it's like using a sledgehammer to kill a gnat. that's all
13:56<Modular>the gnat deserved it though! :P
13:56<babilen>Modular: You might want to take a look at xbmc .. IIRC it can do what you are after.
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13:56<MrFrood>Modular: overbite have gopher support for android - got to run now...
13:56<babilen>Modular: In particular (for android)
13:56<Modular>Thank you guys for all your ideas. I will have to weigh out which implementation is best for my needs.
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13:57<Modular>Lee: I think the fact people need to 'attack' people in a chat room is the issue. If there was a question that was being asked I would have held my question until the room had been quite like it was when I got in here.
13:58<Modular>retro/SynrG/Babilen: as always thank you for your time.
13:58<babilen>please, not again :)
13:58<retrospectacus>Modular, sure
13:59<babilen>Modular: You are most welcome
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14:01<lee>Modular: I don´t mind your asking. It´s only I was attacked a while ago when asking a question, based on an argumentation that would make almost all questions asked here off topic. This should either be applied to everyone the same, or ppl shouldn´t start attacking others.
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14:02<babilen>Modular: See and and (have fun)
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14:03<sney>lee please knock it off, if you have a complaint with synrg take it up with him personally. stop cluttering the channel with this
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14:14<lee>So how do you build a Debian kernel with a configuration that you specify? Going by does ignore your kernel configuration.
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14:15<dpkg>i guess make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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14:17<SynrG>lee: have you followed it exactly? see
14:17<lee>someone said earlier that you shouldn´t use make-kpkg
14:17<cahoot>you should
14:17<lee>SynrG: as best as I understood it
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14:17<SynrG>the part that talks about changing to the arch-specific directory before make menuconfig
14:18<SynrG>lee: the section on building a single variant i referred you to before. step 2, near the end
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14:18<lee>SynrG: ah, I see what you mean. I missed that step, thanks.
14:19<SynrG>lee: np
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14:27<SynrG>cahoot: actually "shouldn't" is too strong. i suggested doing it the way the kernel team recommends. that is all.
14:27<SynrG>and i gave some reasoning for this
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14:27<SynrG>feel free to poke holes in it :)
14:27<cahoot>I should learn to keep my tongue/fingers
14:28<SynrG>hah. no. it's ok. actually, i did use make-kpkg for a while, when it was the recommended way. and then i mostly stopped building custom kernels at all, because in fact, the stock kernel served me best, most of the time
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14:30<SynrG>mostly the kind of kernel i build myself now is: stock debian kernel + some experimental thing that, if it succeeds, might be applied as an officially supported patch in the stock kernel.
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14:31<SynrG>and i think the wiki instructions are ideally suited to that use case (and a few others, also mentioned on the wiki page)
14:32<lee>well, so far it looks as if it´s still ignoring my .config
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14:33<SynrG>lee: hm. well, if the build tree is unclean, maybe it makes a difference?
14:33<SynrG>can't say for sure what's going on there.
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14:34<jordanb>So I'm going to start entering the market for a new workstation
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14:34<jordanb>Do you guys know what would be my best bet for getting something running debian as a primary os?
14:35<jordanb>It's a buisness expense so I'm not horribly price sensitive
14:35<jordanb>but I don't want to spend much more than $1000
14:35<SynrG>without knowing what you're going to do with it, it's impossible to make a recommendation
14:35<jordanb>software development
14:35<jordanb>running emacs, firefix, pretty much
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14:35<jordanb>postgres and all that so I can run virtual environments
14:36<jordanb>the main thing for me is I want good two monitor support
14:36<SynrG>heavy on builds?
14:36<jordanb>no, I write python. ^_^
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14:36<jordanb>but I do build on occasion, and since I'm not horribly price sensitive I'd rather go for more cpu/memory than I need right now
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14:37<SynrG>jordanb: maybe it's better to start with "i've been considering this system, will debian run ok on it?" :) debian runs on pretty much anything
14:37<jordanb>also I need at least a minitower because I have some PCI cards and I want multiple hard drives to have a backup one
14:37<SynrG>we might be able to caution you about particular problematic hardware though
14:37<sney>"not horribly price sensitive" vs. "not over $1000"
14:37<jordanb>sney: $1000 is a lot for a workstation nowdays
14:38<SynrG>sney: i wish *i* had $1000 for a workstation :)
14:38<jordanb>the main thing I've been looking at is the Lenovo S20
14:38<jordanb>the thing that bothers me is that the only video card options are all nvidia
14:38<SynrG>so, quad core, fast disk, gobs of ram
14:38<sney>nvidia dual-screen works fairly well tbh
14:39<SynrG>jordanb: if you don't need 3d accel there is nouveau now
14:39<SynrG>and that will improve in time.
14:39<jordanb>yeah, it's a xeon machine too. I assume t hat won't cause any problems though?
14:39<jordanb>Yeah 3d isn't important to me atm
14:39<jordanb>that's going to start changing with webgl though
14:39<sney><3 xeon
14:40<SynrG>you might want to check the status of nouveau for the particular card in question before committing to it (or be prepared to fall back to non-free nvidia driver)
14:40<jordanb>Also I assume that I shouldn't get the displayport model? It seems like most of theoptions are DVI + DP or even DP-only
14:40<SynrG>heading out
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14:42<jordanb>it looks like there's only one dvi+dvi option, Nvidia Quadro FX 38
14:43<jordanb>does virtualbox work on xeon? The internet seems to be questionable on that
14:44<sney>of course
14:44<jordanb>ahh ok
14:44<sney>virtualbox runs on nearly anything, though a VT-enabled cpu helps
14:44<sney>and modern x86 stuff is all VT with only a couple exceptions
14:45<jordanb>heh, the internet says that xeon all have vt but some machines come with it disabled through the bios
14:45<lee>SynrG: yes, it´s ignoring my .config --- no idea why
14:46<jordanb>My current machine doens't have vt though and virtualbox runs fine
14:46<sney>HP's professional workstations are also quite good in my experience (and I used to be a technician for them) so they may also be worth a look
14:46<jordanb>yeah I did look at them
14:46<jordanb>one thing that irritated me is I couldn't buy one without windows
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14:46<sney>you can sometimes if you just call them
14:46<sney>ddd: hi
14:47<ddd>i need help
14:47<jordanb>I did like it that hte HP machines used ATI
14:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:47<ddd>new in linux
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14:47<ddd>how i can get driver for a mbp
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14:47<babilen>ddd: Welcome! What is a "mbp" ?
14:47<ddd>macbook pro
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14:47<jordanb>a silver aluminum can with a computer inside
14:47<ddd>distro backtrack
14:48<sney>ddd: this is not the backtrack channel
14:48<jhutchins_lt>ddd: What component?
14:48<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
14:48<babilen>ddd: backtrack is not supported in here, you want #backtrack-linux on
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14:49<sney>jordanb: yeah, hp "business" sales will often sell you a computer with no OS if you tell them it's getting a corporate image etc.
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14:51<jordanb>cool, that's good to know
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14:51<jordanb>I do really like that HP uses ATI. That is the main thing that's making me hesitate about lenovo
14:51<jordanb>I hate dealing with nvidia hardware
14:51<Gathond>will there be any warranty though
14:51<Gathond>if it a business to business transaction and not a business to consumer
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14:53<sney>1 last line of offtopic: HP's warranty tracking is pretty vague and assigned by serial number, not client, so they will generally honor warranty requests as long as the serial number still comes up covered, no matter who's calling
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14:54<Gathond>sney: I was wondering whether a device sold to a business had any warranty at all
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14:56<jordanb>man HP's ram prices are really expensive
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14:57<sney>jordanb: so buy ram separately and install it yourself?
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14:58<ballison>i'm stuck again. battling with apt-get trying to install syslogd.
14:58<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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15:00<babilen>,versions liburi-perl
15:00<judd>Package liburi-perl on i386 -- lenny: 1.35.dfsg.1-1; lenny-backports: 1.37+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.54-2; sid: 1.58-1; wheezy: 1.58-1
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15:00<babilen>ballison: The rest of the information would come in handy too.
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15:01<ballison>what do you need?
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15:01<babilen>ballison: Let me quote dpkg: "the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy"
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15:05<babilen>ballison: 'and "apt-cache policy"'
15:07<babilen>ballison: And fwiw I would recommend rsyslog
15:07<ballison>babilen: I just upgraded them all from rsyslog TO syslogd
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15:07<babilen>just curious: but why?
15:07<ballison>had to pick on
15:08<ballison>more systems were running syslogd than rsyslogd
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15:08<babilen>ballison: Note the "for the relevant pacages" ... please also paste: "apt-cache policy sysklogd libmail-box-perl liburi-perl"
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15:11<babilen>ballison: "aptitude -f install" ?
15:12<ballison>babilen: nice. it ignored my pinning.
15:12<ballison>and upgraded the liburi-perl... which will break the monitoring system.
15:12<ballison>the version was pinned for a reason.
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15:13<ballison>notice how it ignored the pinning.
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15:14<babilen>ballison: Please also paste "apt-cache policy"
15:14<babilen>so, why did you accept the solution if you don't want it?
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15:15<babilen>ballison: Ok, "aptitude install sysklogd" should work. Or?
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15:19<ballison>babilen: it worked
15:19<ballison>thank you
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15:20<ballison>i had to let it remove the old pinned version, install syslogd, and then go reinstall my old version manually
15:20<ballison>i think aptitude -f install is what fixed it.
15:20<babilen>wonderful. Please note that abominations like "-y --force-yes" are seldom needed and almost always a sign of "there is probably a better way"
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15:21<ballison>babilen: I find I have to use -y and --force-yes all the time for remotely issuing installs
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15:22<babilen>"seldom needed" fsvo "seldom" :)
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15:24<AzaToth>rather OT, but do anyone knows about something lightweight alternative to autoconf which abstract it somewhat than to write manual shell scripts for configure scripts?
15:25<jordanb>there's several that people have been trying to make, scons, etc
15:25<jordanb>None have really taken off
15:26<AzaToth>from what I've got the feeling, every alternative to autohell ends up to the point "what, you want to _configure_ as well???
15:26<babilen>AzaToth: scons, cmake, ...
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15:26<jordanb>one thing is that configuration isnt' as big a deal as it was during unix prolifiration
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15:26<AzaToth>babilen: well, last time I used scons I got the feeling it lacked anything that could help you configurate, and cmake is sadly way too ugly for my teste ツ
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15:27<jordanb>I just bought a book on autotools so that I can *finally* learn it
15:27<AzaToth>jordanb: you still want to make sure all dependices are present and some abstration how to choose features
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15:27<jordanb>with the hope that once I learn it it won't suck so bad
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15:27<jordanb>I only read the first chapter so far and it made me hate humanity
15:28<AzaToth>jordanb: it still sucks bas when you get the "syntax blaha error at line 743532 in ./configure"
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15:28<AzaToth>and the main problem is that autoconf pretty much requires automake, vice versa
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15:29<AzaToth>waf was intresting, but they went stupid
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15:29*AzaToth read rectum...
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15:31<mwalling>AzaToth: dont worry, i usually do too when i'm reading the oper notices
15:31<AzaToth>mwalling: heh
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15:41<l_l343>is there any xampp channel where i can get the solution
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15:49<kovciu>Hi all :) who is from poland ?
15:49<dpkg>methinks pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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15:52<l_l343>is there any xampp channel where i can get the solution
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15:53<babilen>l_l343: Solution to what? #httpd @ might know, but *shrug*
15:53<babilen>l_l343: there is also a small xampp channel over there
15:54<l_l343> in xampp i have linked my home/user/myfile with htdocs/user it is sucessfully running but when i m trying to use any package it's showing me error Warning: include(langsettings.php) [function.include]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/user/myfile/sample1.php on line 2
15:55<l_l343>ny php pkg it's showing me this error
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15:56<babilen>l_l343: Looks like a problem in your sample1.php on line 2
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15:57<l_l343>babilen: k let me show u whole problem
15:57<mutante>in Gnome Update Manager, i get this message: "Upgrading may require removal or installation of new packages. Do you want to perform a safe-upgrade, which does not remove packages or install new ones?" The options i get are: No or Yes. | Please improve by making it a real Yes or No question
15:58<mutante>ah, i think i get it.. but a little confusing..hrmm
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16:09<tiako>Hello, so I am on the last set of installing nvida drivers and I notice my xorg is empty or non exisit
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16:09<tiako>Should I just cut and paste the nvida settings into the xorg?
16:09<sney>tiako: you only need to tell it to use the driver "nvidia", you can make a device subsection and put it in a text file as nvidia.conf in xorg.conf.d
16:09<gindek>to save channel list in weechat, I must just type /save yes ?
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16:10<tiako>Alright sney let me try that.
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16:12<matth>I forgot the name of the command that allow to launch a new Xorg display inside a window
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16:12<matth>I tought it was something like zenity, but it's not that one
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16:13<tiako>Ok I believe I have done that Sney. Anything I should check before restarting?
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16:14<matth>(oki got it, it's xnest/xephyr)
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16:14<sney>tiako: make sure nvidia-kernel-common.conf is present in /etc/modprobe.d, though there's no reason it shouldn't
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16:17<tiako>Yep there it is Sney.
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16:17<tiako>brb if Im not something bad happen
16:17<tiako>Thanks sney.
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16:21<thomas>in iceweasel my back button is missing.
16:21<thomas>what can i do?
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16:22<thomas>das icon fehlt
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16:24<thomas>only the icon is missing
16:25<thomas>is it a bug?
16:25<thomas>im trying dist-upgrade
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16:26<sney>thomas: if it's a bug there will be mention of it on
16:26<retrospectacus>thomas: Go to System - Preferences - Appearance - Customize - Icons and try another icon theme
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16:35<tiako>I tried to startx with those setting Sney and I got a fatal error.
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16:36<sney>tiako: paste the error to
16:37<tiako>Do you remember what log I would check for it?
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16:39<tiako>There is nothing in there sney.
16:39<tiako>Or it doesn't exsit
16:39<sney>well it's in /var/log
16:40<tiako>Ah thanks snety
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16:44<sney>huh, it loaded nouveau
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16:44<sney>tiako: did you reboot?
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16:44<tiako>"(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)"
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16:44<sney>yeah, it loaded the nouveau driver instead of the nvidia one you wanted
16:45<tiako>Do I need to make it not load the nouveu driver?
16:45<sney>how did you specify which driver to load?
16:45<tiako>"Section "Device"
16:45<tiako> Identifier "Video Card"
16:45<tiako> Driver "nvidia""
16:46<tiako>Doesn't that make it use the nvidia driver?
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16:46<sney>well it needs EndSection at the end of that
16:46<tiako>It does have that
16:46<tiako>I followed the wiki to the T
16:47<sney>and where did you put that text file
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16:48<sney>when you have just the single section by itself, it needs to go in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ . the recommendation is to call it 20-nvidia.conf
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16:50<tiako>Alright, I do that..
16:50<tiako>Is there an irc I can get for command line only in case I faux up?
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16:51<babilen>tiako: I would recommend "irssi"
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16:52<tiako>Alright, I will get that. Thanks.
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16:53<tiako>Sney do I need to make that dir or is it suppose to exist?
16:53<sney>if it's not there you can make it
16:54<sney>by default X autodetects everything and has no configs at all
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17:03<Modular>I am having issues connecting to my switch with minicom. I normally just use hyperterminal but would really like to just use linux for tis.
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17:07<retrospectacus>Modular: minicom is a bit annoying to configure but it will do anything hyperterminal did.
17:07<dwhit>Modular: what type of issues?
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17:12<kop>Modular: I use minicom all the time but it's probably best to give up and use screen instead. It's a lot more powerful and does not come with all the baggage of expecting to use, and initialize, a modem.
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17:17<Modular>kop: is it just screen like the terminal windows thing?
17:18<Modular>dwhit: I thought I had it configured properply but when I try and 'initialize modem' it just doesn't connect.
17:18<Modular>dwhit: two different pc's looked up the settings for the device from the manufacturer
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17:25<babilen>hanihani: welcome
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17:26<hanihani>i need info
17:26<hanihani>off hacking
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17:27<Modular>hanihani: just state your question and as much detail as possible.
17:27<babilen>hanihani: wrong channel
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17:30<hanihani>i need hacking VPS
17:30<hanihani>vps server
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17:32<hanihani>babilen : what is the right channel
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17:33<towo`>ask a farmer about hacking
17:34<BurtaN>Has anyone tried Debian Squeeze on an UEFI mainboard with sandy bridge?
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17:34<retrospectacus>sandy bridge... sounds dangerously unstable
17:34<devil>BurtaN: in a few days...
17:34<BurtaN>thats why im asking :P
17:34<BurtaN>@ devil hope it works well
17:35<devil>BurtaN: i dont see why not
17:35<BurtaN>new stuff new problems
17:35<babilen>hanihani: I am not aware of any and also don't support black-hat *cracking*. If you are interested in white-hat hacking you might want to check out #ccc on, but I severly doubt that any "h4aXoR I want to h4ckity-hack" talk is welcomed there. Have a nice day.
17:35<devil>nah, it'll rock
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17:36<hanihani>how is best channel hacking ?
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17:36<sney>#moocows for all your hacking needs
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17:38<hanihani>sney thank you
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17:57<canaima>hola que tal
17:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:58<Tiako>Well, I cant seem to boot now
17:58<Tiako>Dunno what went wrong
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17:59<Tiako>Anyway to recover without reinstall?
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18:00<Tiako>Im going to go get something to eat and just reinstall
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18:07<pes502>Hi all
18:08<pes502>Can u help me please?? I have got problem with Debian installation to external HDD
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18:11<Yun3m>hi all, good even
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18:13<Yun3m>where are you from?
18:13<Yun3m>where are you from?
18:14<Yun3m>bye all
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18:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:16<amiantum>in debian sid, how do i use the package gtk2-engine-oxygen? in system settings it doesnt appear like i used gtk-qt-engine...
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18:17<sney>figure it out. sid isn't supported here, it might just be a bug ...
18:17<sney>if you're expecting sid software to behave a certain way, and it isn't, check first thing
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18:28<handheldcar>hello what's the correct way to manually restart RPC services registered with the portmapper? invoke-rc.d portmap restart?
18:29<lee-0>I´d stop it first, check with ps, and then start it again
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18:29<lee-0>sometimes things don´t stop as one expects
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19:01<pes502>are you here??
19:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:04<tiako>Allo again..
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19:04<tiako>I ended up reinstalling :(
19:04<pes502>I try to install Debian to my external HDD, but i have got problem with step after "Re-partition HDD" ... data cant be copied to HDD = error :( sorry for my english
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19:05<pes502>could you help me please, somebody?
19:05<pes502>im in Linux for first time
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19:05<lee-0>What error message exactly do you get?
19:06<pes502>uff ... i dont remember :/
19:06<lee-0>without know what error occured, it´ll be hard to make any suggestions
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19:06<pes502>ok, i gonna to install again ...
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19:20<K6ORJ>what was the way to in stall the invidia drivers so they would re-compile themselves with kernel updates?
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19:21<sney>K6ORJ: dkms?
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19:22<tiako>woot drivers installed
19:22<babilen>tiako: woot needs drivers?
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19:23<K6ORJ>Thanks aptitude erased most of my system on an update then crashed forcing me to start all over again :-(
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19:23<babilen>K6ORJ: I am sure there is more to this story than you are telling us :)
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19:23<K6ORJ>Just kept deleating file after file after file.
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19:24<devil>bad bad aptitude ;)
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19:25<devil>K6ORJ: i guess it didnt tell you it was gonna remove these files if you hit Y?
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19:25<pes502>im back
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19:25<pes502>lee-0: are you here?
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19:26<K6ORJ>I couldn't get a lock in the gui using synaptic so I stopped X and tried to get a lock again using apt-get. still no good even after rebooting the system. so I re-started the comuter in single user mode and yes I got a lock and started the update in aptitude.
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19:29<K6ORJ>there was a help thing here for dkms how do I access it?
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19:29<dpkg>Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
19:31<babilen>K6ORJ: You might be looking for "/msg dpkg nvidia" and "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" though
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19:31<pes502>babilen - hi
19:31<K6ORJ>Thanks babilen You were so much help getting this installed the first time a few weeks ago.
19:31<pes502>i try instal Debian to my external HDD but i have got this problem in installation = ... whats wrong?? :(
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19:31<Ionn>Hi. I have Logitech x-530 speakers, and i cant get any sound to come through them, ALSA hasnt anything muted, Any Ideas?
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19:34<blood>Why do i get "An error occurred, please try again later." when i try to stream youtube?
19:35<jordanb>blood: That's a crazy bug with gnash
19:36<Ionn>Any Ideas?
19:36<jordanb>blood: You can get rid of it by removing all your youtube-related cookies
19:36<jordanb>it will then work until next time you go to watch a video, because youtube will re-add the cookie
19:36<jordanb>blood: The best thing to do is install firefox's cookie monster plugin
19:37<jordanb>and block all cookies from
19:37<blood>ill try
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19:37<babilen>pes502: That message is unfortunately not really helpful. It would be a good idea if you could switch to other consoles (alt-ctrl-{F1,F2,F3,F4}) until you find one that is a wall of text with real (error) messages and provide those ... sorry
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19:38<blood>jordanb: got a link?
19:38<pes502>babilen: ok i going to try
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19:39<jordanb>for what?
19:40<jordanb> <-- here's a discussion
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19:41<Ionn>Anyone here know how to enable sound through Logitech x-530 speakers?
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19:41<jordanb>they don't talk about using cookiemonster though, but that's the permanent solution
19:41<jordanb>because otherwise the cookie comes back
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19:41<jordanb>Ionn: It's probably not your speakers that is the problem, it's probably the sound card
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19:41<retrospectacus>Ionn: can you check whether sound works with e.g. some headphones?
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19:42<jordanb>make sure they're plugged into the right jack and that the power is on. ^_^
19:42<Ionn>It does with USB Logitech Headphones
19:42<retrospectacus>usb... -_-
19:42<retrospectacus>I mean, in the same sound card (audio jack)
19:44<babilen>Ionn: Are those USB speakers?
19:44<retrospectacus>babilen: excellent question :)
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19:46<Ionn>babilen: Their not no. The headphones are, The x-530 are 2 jacks into back of the PC
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19:46<qaz_>I need an hand...I have problem with nfsv4
19:46<qaz_>on the server I have samba for the windows machines and nfsv4 for the linux machines
19:46<qaz_>I have file corruption on nfs but not if I use samba
19:46<qaz_>the file is copied but the md5 is always different
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19:46<babilen>Ionn: Ok, can't see a reason why normal speakers wouldn't work if you actually have a signal on the line/headphone out
19:47<Ionn>babilen: I just cant get sound out of them, been trying for days
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19:47<babilen>Ionn: Other speakers/headphones work?
19:47<retrospectacus>babilen, the headphones are USB
19:47<babilen>retrospectacus: not a good test then :)
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19:47<jordanb>maybe your default output device got set to be the USB headphones then?
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19:48<Ionn>On the Sound control it is set to ALSA ... I have checked ALSA and nothing is muted
19:48<babilen>Ionn: Are you sure that it is a problem with the X-530 or is it rather a problem of "No sound at all" ?
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19:49<Ionn>babilen: Well i have no sound at all, Only sound i get is through my Headphones,
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19:50<retrospectacus>so, the problem is, your sound card is not working, or is disabled because you are using USB for sound
19:50<jordanb>so your problem is one of these: 1) The speakers are busted/not installed properly 2) your default output device is the headphones, not the builtin sound card 3) The builtin soundcard is not configured properly
19:50<babilen>Ionn: Well, I would say jordanb was on the right track.
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19:50<Ionn>The speakers work fine, as i have leant them, and they work great on Windows, But i hate windows lol
19:51<babilen>Ionn: It would help tremendously if you could run;a=blob_plain;f=utils/ and give us the output (pastebin)
19:51<jordanb>ok, so it's option 2 or 3 then
19:52<jordanb>Ionn: are the headphones plugged in now? When you put them on, do you hear the sound?
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19:52<babilen>(I love it when this channel works like: Let's ask: "foo bar" and others are already asking it)
19:52<Ionn>jordanb: The headphones arent plugged in no, Just the Logitechx-530
19:53<Ionn>Which is a surround sound system
19:53<jordanb>its usb?
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19:53<jordanb>so how does it plug in?
19:53<Ionn>The x-530 is a jack connector surround sound system
19:54<Ionn>into back of pc
19:54<Ionn>into ping/green ports
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19:54<pes502>im back
19:54<pes502>babilen: are you here?
19:54<babilen>Ionn: run the script, that will save us from asking lots of questions
19:54<babilen>pes502: no
19:54<pes502>babilen: i have got screens from all 4 consoles
19:54<babilen>pes502: wonderful :)
19:55<retrospectacus>pes502: don't ask certain people for help, ask the channel
19:55<babilen>pes502: And I completely agree with retrospectacus
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19:55<Ionn>babilen: How do i run that script?
19:55<pes502>ok, I'm sorry
19:55<babilen>Ionn: Download it run "bash"
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19:56<babilen>pes502: No big problem. There are just a bunch of people in here that might be able to help. If you ask a single person some of them might not pay attention to your question because "it wasn't meant for them"
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19:57<pes502>when i try install Debian to my external HDD I have got this errors = (CTRL+ALT+F1) and this = (CTRL+ALT+F4)
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19:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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20:03<lee-0>pes502: you have errors in your file system and apparently a problem with your keyboard that prevents an xorg session from starting
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20:03<babilen>lee-0: pes502 is trying to install debian
20:04<retrospectacus>pes502: looks like your external drive has errors. Did you choose to format the partitions during the install?
20:04<lee-0>babilen: yes, I know
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20:04<jordanb>Ionn: So that multimedia system is plugged into the pink and green jacks?
20:04<babilen>Ionn: nothing meets my tired eye
20:04<Ionn>jordanb: It is yes
20:04<jordanb>so what jack are you plugging the speakers into?
20:04<pes502>retrospectacus: yes, HDD has been formated always before installation
20:04<pes502>retrospectacus: its automaticaly
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20:05<lee-0>pes502: what kind of disk are you using?
20:05<Ionn>jordanb: Pink & Green ports and back of PC Tower
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20:06<jordanb>so the multimedia system is plugged into the pink and green ports... so is there more than one green port?
20:06<pes502>lee-0: 3,5 Segate Barracuda 500GB with this cable (
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20:06<Ionn>jordanb: No just the one green port
20:07<jordanb>so if the multimedia system is plugged into that port, what port are your speakers plugged into?
20:07<lee-0>pes502: Hm, have you verified that the disk you´re using is ok and that it works fine with this cable?
20:08<babilen>pes502: you formwat it *before* the installation not *during* it?
20:09<Ionn>jordanb: The multimedia system just has the 2 jacks (pink/green) which are plugged into pc, and a power plug, which is plugged into the power supply, and multimedia system is turned on, when i turn the volume up and down, their is a noise coming from it,
20:10<lee-0>is btrfs enabled by default with the d/i?
20:10<babilen>pes502: do you choose something like "Guided partitionaing - Use entire disk" during the installation?
20:10<jordanb>so what port are the speakers plugged into?
20:10<pes502>babilen: STEP 1 (formating) = STEP 2 (instaling) =
20:11<babilen>pes502: and during the package installation it stops with the error? Or is that *after* the installation?
20:11<Ionn>jordanb: Please explain, As what i see is the speakers are plugged in direct to PC through the Jack's, as i have 1 speaker, and the sub (Bass)
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20:11<pes502>babilen: yes
20:11<jordanb>normally you would plug computer speakers into the green hack on the computer
20:12<jordanb>green jack
20:12<jordanb>you say that the multimedia system is plugged into it, and that there's only one green jack on the computer
20:12<lee-0>pes502: during the installation?
20:12<jordanb>so into what are the speakers plugged?
20:12<jordanb>some port on the multimedia system?
20:12<pes502>lee-0: yes
20:13<lee-0>pes502: did you verify that the disk is working fine with the cable you´re using?
20:13<pes502>lee-0: i use this disk in my OS (Windows 7) and i havent got problem
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20:14<pes502>lee-0: may be an error on the installation CD?
20:14<lee-0>pes502: and you use the disk with the same cable?
20:14<pes502>lee-0: yes
20:15<Ionn>jordanb: The 1 Speaker i have, is plugged into the 2 ports, the speaker then has a lead which is plugged into the sub (Bass) and from the bass is a power cable which is plugged into the power supply, the multimedia system is all connected via the 2 jacks,
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20:15<jordanb>connected to what?
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20:15<babilen>Ionn: Do you have something else (mp3, ...) to plug it into to verify that it is the computer output and not the speaker setup?
20:16<lee-0>pes502: Then we will have to assume that the disk is working, I guess.
20:16<lee-0>pes502: What installer CD are you using?
20:16<pes502>lee-0: i download .iso from internet and burn it
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20:17<pes502>lee-0: Can I download the installation package from somewhere , copy it to disk and install it directly from the disk?
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20:17<lee-0>pes502: Which one? There are usually several installers available.
20:17<babilen>pes502: also: How do you partition it? Do you select something like "Guided Partitioning - Use entire disk" or something else?
20:17<pes502>babilen: yes
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20:18<lee-0>pes502: You could write the installer to an USB stick, for example. But there´s more involved than just copying something.
20:18<pes502>lee-0: this = debian-6.0.1-i386-CD-1
20:18<Ionn>babilen: I have yes, I have tested it and it works, Which means it is the computer output
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20:20<babilen>Ionn: you paste is gone, but I couldn't really spot anything suspicious ...
20:20<babilen>!alsa checklist
20:20<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
20:20<babilen>might be worth a try
20:20<babilen>i'm off ... good luck Ionn and pes502 :)
20:20<lee-0>pes502: this one:
20:20<lee-0>pes502: or did you download all the full CDs?
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20:21<qaz_>I founded the problem
20:21<pes502>babilen: thanks .. bye
20:21<qaz_>one question
20:21<pes502>lee-0: yes i was downloaded this link
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20:22<qaz_>is possible to install jackd and emulate pulseaudio for some program or I nee to install pulseaudio and sink jackd?
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20:22<lee-0>pes502: it wouldn´t be debian-6.0.1-i386-CD-1 then
20:23<sret>hi for backups do most people use a NAS?
20:23<pes502>lee-0: dont understand :(
20:23<lee-0>pes502: you seem to have a CD that is part of a set of CDs, containing all the packages
20:24<lee-0>there´s nothing wrong with that
20:24<Ionn>!help alsa
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20:24<qaz_>any idea?
20:24<lee-0>you can also use another CD to install which contains a small installer and will download the packages as needed during the installation
20:25<pes502>lee-0: i have got problem with internet connection during the installation
20:25<lee-0>since the CD you are using doesn´t work, you could try to download the other one
20:25<Ionn>!alsa checklist
20:25<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
20:25<sret>so anyone using NAS here?
20:25<pes502>lee-0: with my network device
20:25<lee-0>pes502: What´s the problem with the network card?
20:26<pes502>lee-0: because i have got only Wi-Fi here
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20:26<qaz_>Ionn: for me?
20:26<pes502>lee-0: and installation manager has got problem with 2 missing files (i dont remember name now)
20:26<lee-0>pes502: hm, that makes things somewhat difficult
20:27<pes502>lee-0: :/
20:27<Ionn>jordanb: I tested the speakers on a player, and sound worked not a problem, Its the output from PC
20:27<sret>could someone give suggestions for using NAS at a home setup
20:27<pes502>lee-0: i dont know, what now :(
20:28<lee-0>pes502: So what exactly happens? The installer formats your disk. Then you get a message that files are missing? And then you get an error message?
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20:29<pes502>lee-0: yes
20:29<pes502>lee-0: Formating (no problem) -> installing (problem)
20:29<lee-0>pes502: Perhaps you´re getting the error message because files are missing.
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20:30<pes502>lee-0: what files you think? wifi or installation package?
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20:31<lee-0>pes502: You said that you got a message that files are missing. I don´t know which ones are missing.
20:31<pes502>lee-0: can i download another installation package and boot my external hdd as first and install Debian from external hdd?
20:32<pes502>lee-0: oh ... i mean files from wifi adapter .... this message i see when installation manager try automaticaly configuring my network adapter
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20:34<lee-0>pes502: I think you should be able to have an installer on another hard disk and install from ther. Unfortunately, I don´t know how to do that. I´ve always installed from CDs.
20:34<lee-0>let me see, there´s in install howto somewhere
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20:37<lee-0>pes502: do you have an USB stick?
20:38<craigevil>probably just need the firmware for your wifi adapter,
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20:39<pes502>lee-0: only second external HDD :D
20:39<lee-0>craigevil: if that works, that would be the easiest way
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20:39<pes502>lee-0: i havent got stick :(
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20:40<pedro>someone awake ?
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20:41<pedro>Who are you ?
20:41<pedro>where is tbm ?
20:41<lee-0>pes502: You could try it with the firmware, as craigevil suggested.
20:42<pes502>lee-0: i have got an indea
20:42<pes502>lee-0: i can install Debian from Windows :) i was read it in manual, which you sent me
20:43<pedro>may I ask you all a question ?
20:43<lee-0>pes502: That sounds good :) How do you do that? I´m looking at and it leaves me as stupid as I was before.
20:44<pes502>lee-0: what is better for me??
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20:44<lee-0>pes502: Or are you referring to "4.4.2. Hard disk installer booting using loadlin"?
20:45<pes502>lee-0: i was read it here =
20:45<lee-0>pes502: I would use 64bit.
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20:45<lee-0>pes502: You´ll need the right installer for 64bit then.
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20:46<pes502>lee-0: why is 64 better than 32 ??
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20:46<lee-0>pes502: One of the advantages is that you can address more than 4GB RAM.
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20:47<pes502>lee-0: i have got only 4GB RAM in this notebook D:
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20:47<lee-0>pes502: Things may run faster or not. My personal experience is that I had an Intel Dual Core which turned out to be disappointinglingy slow with ia32 and was significantly faster after I switched to amd64.
20:48<lee-0>pes502: Then go for 64bit.
20:48<lee-0>pes502: With 32bit, you´ll be addressing only almost 4GB.
20:49<lee-0>pes502: You can still run 32bit software if you want to.
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20:49<pes502>lee-0: ok ... and can i install 64bit from this CD?
20:49<lee-0>You´ll probably need the amd64 installer then, unless you have an Itanium or so in your notebook.
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20:50<pes502>lee-0: i dont know, what is "Itanium"
20:50<dpkg>amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are AMD64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
20:50<lee-0>That´s a CPU made by Intel. Perhaps they don´t make them anymore, I don´t know.
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20:51<pes502>lee-0: I have got Intel Core 2 Duo (P7550) ... 2
20:51<pes502>2,26 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB
20:52<abcd82>maybe pes502 should try Debian Windows installer, less fuss, performance slower, but for introduction purposes it would be fine
20:52<lee-0>pes502: Then should be right for you. You´ll also need the firmware to get your network card working.
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20:53<pes502>lee-0: downloading ...
20:53<pes502>abcd82: yes :)
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20:53<abcd82>dont know if this will work in windows7+squeeze but here are simple tutorial, and here installer:
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20:54<pes502>abcd82: page not found :/
20:54<lee-0>gosh, the Debian website really sucks
20:54<pes502>abcd82: sorry, my mistake
20:54<pes502>abcd82: link was working
20:55<lee-0>So where do you find the additional firmware needed with the amd64 installer?
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20:56<pes502>lee-0: downloaded, what now?
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20:57<pes502>lee-0: can i mount it during the Alcohol 120% or i must burn it into CD?
20:57<lee-0>pes502: You´re supposed to make an installation CD from it.
20:58<dpkg>[win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader", a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <debian.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>.
20:58<lee-0>pes502: You can try and see if your network card works with it, though you might also need the additional firmware. I can´t find the firmware, though.
20:58<babilen>!firmware images
20:58<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install debian>.
20:59<lee-0>pes502: Should be this one:
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21:00<lee-0>babilen: thanks :)
21:00<pes502>lee-0: downloading
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21:01<babilen>but note the win32-loader (linked on goobye-microsoft), ask the bot about "setup.exe" and "debian.exe" and read the ig
21:01<babilen>have fun
21:02<lee-0>pes502: So you can either make the two CDs or use the win32-loader without having to make CDs, it seems.
21:02<pes502>lee-0: win32-loader is here? =
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21:03<babilen>I wouldn't actually take the "debian.exe" road, but "setup.exe" sounds like a good way. Not sure that helps with the USB filesystem problem though
21:03<dpkg>hmm... setup.exe is a way of installing Debian Squeeze from Windows using <CD1>, just insert the CD/DVD and let it AutoRun; packages are acquired from this media if available. You can also use it from a USB install. See for more details. See also <win32-loader>.
21:03<dpkg> will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. on
21:03<pes502>firmware-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso downlaoded
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21:04<pes502>so what now? :D
21:04<pes502>win32-loader.exe downloaded
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21:05<lee-0>I don´t know how to use the win32-loader ...
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21:05<lee-0>Perhaps just run the win32-loader and try it out?
21:06<pes502>but i want install Debian to external HDD ... not to local :D
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21:08<lee-0>I guess you can choose where to install :)
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21:08<pes502>I hope so :D
21:08<lee-0>your system partition is C:?
21:09<lee-0>then the loader assumes right :)
21:09<pes502>now i can chose from this options:
21:09<pes502>1) "Start install to this machine"
21:10<pes502>2) "Repair current system (rescue mode)"
21:10<pes502>thats all
21:11<lee-0>Obviously, you don´t want a rescue system.
21:11<lee-0>I don´t know what happens when you chose 1.)
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21:11<quant>lee-0, you start installing on this machine? :)
21:11<tiako>Hey guys. Is there maybe an all in one HOW TO on getting fancy accelerated desktop features on Debian?
21:11<lee-0>I´d burn the CDs and boot from the installer CD.
21:12<lee-0>quant: My understanding of that would include deleting windoze on it ...
21:12<pes502>lee-0: yes me too :D
21:12<pes502>lee-0: but i havent got any CD :D
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21:14<lee-0>Well, you´ll have to boot the installer somehow.
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21:14<abcd82>pes502: , well good luck and good night :)
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21:16<lee-0>hm, looks like it boots the installer from where you can proceed
21:16<pes502>abcd82: thanks, but i want install Debian to external device
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21:19<lee-0>pes502: If it boots only the installer, you can chose to install on the external drive.
21:19<lee-0>pes502: Still you may run into the problem with your network card not working without the firmware.
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21:26<lee-0>you could try and see if you have disk errors again
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21:27<lee-0>if you get that far
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21:28<pes502>but i dont know, how can i install Debian to HDD :D i havent got stick and i havent got "free CD" :D
21:28<lee-0>the loader boots the installer
21:29<lee-0>if your network card works, the installer will download what´s needed
21:29<pes502>lee-0: you think win32-loader?
21:29<lee-0>yes, didn´t you see the video?
21:29<pes502>lee-0: yes i see
21:29<pes502>lee-0: i need 2 files for my network card :D
21:30<pes502>firmware files or something like that
21:31<lee-0>which should be on the installer CD ... I don´t see what the point is with not including them.
21:31<pes502>btw whe i use win32-loader i can chose where i want install Linux ... ya?
21:31<lee-0>I guess so.
21:31<lee-0>I never used that.
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21:31<pes502>ok ... go
21:32<pes502>so what iso i should boot? :D
21:32<pes502>i have got 3 here
21:32<lee-0>the amd64 one
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21:33<pes502>GNOME / KDE / Xfce or nothing?
21:34<pes502>what is best for me? :D
21:34<lee-0>I always start with a minimal system and install what I need later.
21:34<lee-0>You might like KDE ...
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21:35<pes502>i must restart :)
21:35<lee-0>ok --- good luck :)
21:35<pes502>thanks :D
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21:35<lee-0>yw :)
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21:41<pes502>im back
21:41<lee-0>wb :)
21:42<pes502>win32-loader is bad ... i cant chose external device :(
21:42<pes502>its only for local HDD
21:42<lee-0>oh that sucks
21:42<pes502>I have to find another solution
21:42<pes502>but now im going to sleep :D
21:42<pes502>i have got 2:42 AM :D
21:42<lee-0>yeah, looks like you need to get some CDs or an usb stick
21:42<lee-0>same here
21:42<lee-0>I´ll go to sleep soon, too
21:43<pes502>thanks a lot for help :)
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21:43<lee-0>you´re welcome :)
21:43<lee-0>have a good night
21:43<lee-0>thanks :)
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21:46<tiako>Hi, Im trying to get compiz to work however when I edit the xorg.conf it wont start
21:48<amphi>on squeeze I don't think you should need to fiddle with xorg.conf
21:49<amphi>compiz doesn't Just Work™ ?
21:49<tiako>No I didn't try it lol
21:49<tiako>I just followed the How to
21:49<tiako>Let me see
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21:51<babilen>which how to btw?
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21:52<tiako>Yeah I just tried to enable some effects in compiz settings manager and nothing works.
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21:53<amphi>what video card?
21:53<tiako>Nvida 9800 GTX +
21:54*amphi runs away
21:54<tiako>Better than ATI lol
21:54<tiako>Why is it such a problem in debian?
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21:55<amphi>tiako: what happens when you follow the wiki?
21:56<amphi>X won't start?
21:56<tiako>I have all my settings in xorg.conf is that ok?
21:56<tiako>With the nvida settings in tehre too
21:56<amphi>does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say anything useful?
21:57<tiako>Let me check
21:57<amphi>search for (EE)
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21:57<amphi>BTW, there is a compiz channel on freenode if no one can help here
21:58<tiako>What is EE?
21:59<tiako>Found it
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21:59<tiako>"(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown."
21:59<venom>poderia me tirar uma duvida
21:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:00<amphi>de nada ;)
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22:14<tiako>Failed to Poke open firewall :(
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22:16<amphi>tiako: did you find any errors?
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22:19<tiako>Yeah I think so amphi
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22:20<tiako>No, wait I didn't find any amphi
22:20<tiako>All I found was the marker at the top
22:20<amphi>perhaps try the compiz channel
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22:22<tiako>What is the channel?
22:22<tiako>#compiz ?
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22:24<amphi>on freenode, yes, I think so
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22:39<borg0>I was wondering if anybody know how to stop the screen from blanking out after about 10 minutes in debian squeeze, I dont have xscreensaver running or any other screensaver, it happens when i am watching movies (i.e. VLC) even when I Have the screensaver disabled option checked in the Vlc Preferences. ? I have tried googling it to no avail in about 6 different ways, its very annoying, I even changed the settings in xfce4's
22:39<borg0> power manager to no effect? any clues?????
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22:42<borg0>Ill see if my X log has anything to say about it (i doubt it)
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22:43<borg0>ok, intresting even though a screensaver process is not listed via root access (ps aux) i have found that xwindows is loading a screensaver extentstion (MIT)
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22:44<retrospectacus>!screen blanking
22:44<dpkg>somebody said screen blanking was you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
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22:52<Arrowmaster>borg0: are you using gnome?
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23:36<jordanb>hp should be ashamed of its workstation prices
23:37<jordanb>they're charging almost $1000 base for a machine with an intel celeron and 2gb of ram in it
23:38<sney>maybe refurb has a deal
23:38<jordanb>The ram is supposedly ecc but I don't see how that's possible with a celeron
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23:38<sney>xw6300 or so
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23:38<tiako>Hey sney got the nvidia drivers working
23:38<jordanb>sney: It's just that The same machine that costs like $1000 from lenovo would be well over $2000 from hp
23:38<sney>!congratulate tiako
23:38<dpkg>Huzzah tiako, you did it!
23:39<sney>jordanb: so buy the lenovo then. you can always replace the graphics card
23:39<jordanb>and lenovo isn't exactly a bargin company
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23:43<jordanb>sney: Yeah the video card thing irritates me though. One main reason to get a new machine atm is to get rid of the rube goldberg setup I have for m y second monitor
23:43<jordanb>so it feels wrong to get one with a broken video card
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23:43<sney>you could probably sell off the nvidia kludge and replace it with something of your choice
23:43<sney>and have money left over
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