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---Logopened Tue Mar 29 00:00:14 2011
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00:00<novichok>Thank you dpkg.
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00:08<kop>frio: Wasn't there something in the release notes about a delay in autodetection messing things up?
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00:09<frio>not that i can see kop
00:09<frio>but thats possible
00:10<kop>frio: Lemme take a look.... (I was just looking at the rcS startup sequence and how lvm starts just before fsck on root, but you're interested in the initial ro mount, right?
00:10<frio>i guess so; basically i just get a message that my volumegroup couldnt be found and kicked into busybox
00:11<frio>but the instant im in busybox i can vgchange -ay the vg
00:11<frio>and it comes up fine
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00:12<frio>ah, ive found the bit you're talking about
00:12<frio>that *could* be it; i guess if it can't detect the VG, it wont send the activation commands
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00:15<frio>alright, im going to make the trek to the secondary site and try that
00:15<frio>fingers crossed :)
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00:15<frio>if anyone else comes up with any ideas while im gone id love to hear them too!
00:16<kop>frio: I can't find the bit I'm talking about. Where do you see it?
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00:20<kop>Ah. Found it: 4.6.3. Boot timing issues
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00:27<ikari>テスト
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00:54<frio>kop: you were right
00:54<frio>rootdelay=20 just to be safe, and sure enough, it came up
00:54<frio>thanks heaps man :)
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01:34<yangzhiwei>hi
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01:35<sunita>i would like to know how to customize iso in Debian. Like uck which is available in Ubuntu which tool can be used in Debian.
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01:43<devil>sunita: look at http://live.debian.net/
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01:52<yangzhiwei>gg
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02:01<ZykoticK9>Does anyone have a link to download a Lenny netinstall CD?
02:02<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ZykoticK9 -about lenny iso
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02:02<ZykoticK9>gsimmons, thanks! Why couldn't i google-fu that? duh.
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02:13<crond>X isn't starting in the right colour depth for me automatically, but if I exit and start it with startx -- -depth 16 it works properly. How can I make X start in that depth automatically given that I have no xorg.conf ?
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02:15<jm_>create xorg.conf
02:16<crond>jm_, with what, Xorg -config ?
02:16<crond>I don't have what needs to go in there memorized ;)
02:16<jm_>crond: which release are you using?
02:16<crond>squeeze for powerpc
02:16<jm_>!xorg config squeeze
02:16<dpkg>From lenny onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration". If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
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02:16<crond>okay tyvm
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02:17<jm_>I can paste mine if you need it
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02:32<cmot>yodel!
02:33*cmot is confused about php and timezone
02:33<cmot>time() returns UTC, but php_config shows php to be set to europe/berlin
02:33<cmot>(default, I didn't tweak anything)
02:33<cmot>isn't time() supposed to return localtime?
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02:34<brohelm>is it possible to use youtube without adobe flash?
02:34<pes502>hello
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02:34<jm_>brohelm: you can download videos and watch them with mplayer etc., so if that counts as "use" ...
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02:35<brohelm>i see
02:36<brohelm>ty
02:36<jm_>youtube-dl, clive, ... can all do this
02:36<brohelm>i just read that adobe flash is a big big security hole
02:36<brohelm>that and javascript.... (no javascript means no FB either...)
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02:38<cmot>isn't gnash supposed to work with youtube these dasy?
02:38<cmot>haven't tried it in a while
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02:41<brohelm>trash cat is not amused with adobe flash
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02:43<george_>gnash works fine with YouTube
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02:44<mosno>george_, it didn't for me a month or so ago
02:44<mosno>george_, it worked on the first vid then failed for the rest
02:44<george_>mosno, i've been using it the last few week just fine.
02:44<george_>html5 only works for a few videos for me
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03:35<charles_>Hi
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03:35<charles_>I'm using testing
03:36<charles_>since a few days, the mouse array has disappeared
03:36<charles_>How to solve the problem
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03:44<gnugr>!coffee
03:44<dpkg>coffee is, like, the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes
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03:45<ayaka>I want to know how to use red5 server
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03:49<gnugr>ayaka: try there: http://www.red5server.org/
03:50<ayaka>gnugr, yes,I do but still don't work
03:50<pes502>Hi all, could you help me please? I need Java to my Linux, because I dont know, how package I must downlaod ... I search durign terminal with command "aptitude search java" ...
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03:51<ayaka>gnugr, even I try http://127.0.0.1:5080/demos/adminPanel.html but can't login even I type right
03:51<ayaka>peej, aptitude install sun-java
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03:52<pes502>thanks
03:52<ayaka>pes502, in fact I don't remember full name
03:52<pes502>"aptitude install sun-java" can't finf
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03:53<ayaka>pes502, use tab to do this
03:53<pes502>sun-java6..... but this name have got a lots of packages :/
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03:54<ayaka>pes502, yes or you can try openjdk
03:54<ayaka>pes502, you you need jdk sun-java6-jdk or jre sun-java6-jre
03:54<pes502>o
03:54<pes502>tahnks
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03:57<ayaka>gnugr, well any more info?
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04:02<pes502>and can u help me with another problem? I can't mount my external HDD with music :(
04:02<pes502>this is problem:
04:02<pes502>Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
04:02<pes502>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,
04:02<pes502> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
04:02<pes502> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
04:02<pes502>dmesg tail or so
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04:04<pes502>could u help me with this problem with mounting device please?? http://paste.debian.net/112291/
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04:07<kayaman_00>pes502, mount -t auto /dev/xxx /mountpoint
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04:08<pes502>ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /mountpoint: Directory or file inexistent
04:08<jww_>create /mountpoint pes.
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04:09<jww_>if you start by reading the error, you're more likely to solve your basics problems.
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04:09<jww_>hi btw :)
04:09<pes502>hi
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04:18<Andreios>всем привет, русские есть?
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04:18<jm_>!ru
04:18<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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04:19<Andreios>ok, i want to be here :)
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04:37<flamingspinach_>!ja
04:37<dpkg>[ja] nice
04:37<flamingspinach_>lol
04:38<xamar>hi
04:38<Andreios>hi
04:39<nyov>hi
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04:40<tyndz> yangzhiwei: 志?
04:41<xamar>Debian squeeze still doesn't have a Python greater than 2.5? (I can google the question, I'm just making some conversation)
04:42<ayaka>tyndz, chinese?
04:42<ayaka>xamanu, python3.1
04:42<xamar>3.1?? Sweet :)
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04:42<Arrowmaster>squeeze used 2.6
04:42<Arrowmaster>uses
04:43<ayaka>xamar, aptitude install python3.1
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04:43<xamar>Still good, I've still have an etch stuck in python 2.4/2.5
04:43<xamar>Gotta upgrade that
04:44<jm_>squeeze also has python3
04:44<xamar>:)
04:44<xamar>thanks!
04:46<tyndz>ayaka: yes
04:46<ayaka>tyndz, me too
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04:46<joe>hi
04:46<Andreios>hi
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04:47<Guest428>你好
04:47<tyndz>ayaka: 这里人气好像还不错
04:47<tyndz>ayaka: 就是不能用中文
04:47<ayaka>Guest143, tyndz 说英语 speak english
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04:47<ayaka>tyndz, #debian-zh
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04:47<ayaka>tyndz, #debian-cn
04:49<tyndz>ayaka: 我去那儿调戏过那个机器人
04:50<ayaka>!tyndz chinese
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04:50<ayaka>!chinese
04:50<dpkg>i heard chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese, or /join #debian-zh on irc.oftc.net
04:50<tyndz>ayaka: dpkg就是那个机器人,他听不懂中文
04:50<ayaka>tyndz, 请不要说中文,don't speak chinese here
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05:09<home-alone>I have installed Open office . I cant find it in menu in "office" where it is ( I am a new user ) thank you
05:10<servet>hi
05:10<jm_>openoffice.org-base menu file says Applications/Data Management
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05:11<jm_>writer is in Applications/Office
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05:12<home-alone>OO is not in aplications>Office
05:12<jm_>for me it is
05:12<SynrG>which WM and/or DE?
05:13<home-alone>I am using Debian 6 as sole OS
05:14<SynrG>i think you've misunderstood. using the default GNOME desktop environment? or something else?
05:14<Lantizia>Hey how can I generate the type of password hash used in /etc/shadow to use with useradd? (starts $6$6... so based on sha512 somehow?!?)
05:15<home-alone>I am using default Gnome desktop
05:15<jm_>Lantizia: man mkpasswd
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05:15<SynrG>did you cleanly finish the install so that it updated the menu hooks?
05:15<xamar>bye
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05:16<SynrG>er, ran the update menu hooks, i mean
05:17<home-alone>It was not clean install and gave error and asked me to apt-get update . I updated but still not works
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05:18<Lantizia>jm_, the command that is a part of the whois package?!
05:18<Lantizia>or do you mean makepasswd?
05:18<SynrG>home-alone: is that all it said? it didn't say to apt-get -f install or anything like that?
05:19<Andreios> home-alone try to give the command in terminal - openoffice &
05:19<Andreios>and see output
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05:19<SynrG>hm? there is such a command? not for me
05:20<jm_>Lantizia: if it's in that package then yes, makepasswd generates random passwords, doesn't it? ala pwgen
05:20<SynrG>in any case, whether the command runs or not is not proof positive that the install finished cleanly.
05:20<Lantizia>jm_, wait... makepasswd or mkpasswd!? make your mind up!
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05:20<SynrG>dpkg -l 'openoffice*'
05:20<dpkg>No packages found matching 'openoffice*'
05:20<home-alone>it says command not found
05:20<jm_>Lantizia: like I said, makepasswd
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05:20<jm_>Lantizia: and the first part was for mkpasswd
05:21<SynrG>are there any "U" indicators in the first or second column?
05:21<Lantizia>jm_, your not making any sense
05:21<SynrG>there should be 'ii' for everything you successfully installed
05:21<nyov>Lantizia: shadow uses crypt hashes, which can be generated with mkpasswd
05:21<Lantizia>what is the difference between mkpasswd from whois and makepasswd package?
05:22<jm_>like I already said - makepasswd is used to generate random passwords, mkpasswd simply encrypts given string
05:22<home-alone>how can I completely un-install open office files and then try to reinstall it
05:23<jm_>newer versions use openoffice.org instead of openoffice command
05:23<Lantizia>jm_, nyov: ok well I'm using.... echo "pass" | mkpasswd -s -m sha-512
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05:24<Lantizia>jm_, nyov: this doesn't give me the same length hash as is used in /etc/shadow and starts $6$3... not $6$6... what is the type used in the shadow file on debian 6?
05:24<home-alone>yes i used apt-get install openoffice.org
05:24<Lantizia>all man shadow tells me is what types _can_ be used
05:24<Lantizia>not the default default
05:24<SynrG>home-alone: it is unlikely to resolve the problem. would you please just check the thing i asked you to check?
05:24<jm_>Lantizia: man 3 crypt explains the $foo marker
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05:25<SynrG>home-alone: dpkg -l 'openoffice*' and verify there is no 'U' indicator in the second column. that is, anything with a desired status of 'i' (first column) should now be 'i' in the second column
05:25<SynrG>home-alone: i suspect you just have an incomplete install here.
05:25<Lantizia>jm_, well for starters I have no manual for that
05:25<SynrG>it can probably be easily fixed without a reinstall
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05:26<Lantizia>jm_, and even if I look at is on kernel.org I can only see what $6 means... not the second $
05:26<nyov>Lantizia: $id$salt$encrypted
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05:27<jm_>Lantizia: man page explains all items, please read it
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05:27<SynrG>home-alone: to get a tidier output, do: dpkg -l 'openoffice*' | grep ^i
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05:28<SynrG>that will ignore all the uninstalled packages (like all of the language packs you don't use)
05:28<SynrG>home-alone: if you don't know how to interpret the output, pastebin it
05:29<home-alone>how to pastebin...???
05:29<Lantizia>jm_, it doesn't explain what the salt is meant to be
05:30<kayaman_00>http://paste.debian.net/
05:30<jm_>Lantizia: it does -- salt is a two-character string chosen from the set [a-zA-Z0-9./]. This string is used to perturb the algorithm in one of 4096 different ways.
05:30<SynrG>home-alone: what kayaman_00 said
05:30<Lantizia>jm_, yes but _what_ two characters!
05:30<jm_>Lantizia: *ANY* from the list
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05:30<Lantizia>jm_, as I understand it doesn't debian compare hash sums to know you've got the right password still? thus you have to make the sums the same way as adduser would right?
05:31<home-alone>/paste.debian.net/112296
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05:33<jm_>Lantizia: well the $id$salt$foo syntax ensures this is the case, or is this not what you are asking?
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05:34<Lantizia>jm_, what I'm asking for is the exact options required to create the same type of sum used in /etc/shadow as default for users made by debian 6... now I figured out it was some kind of sha-512 a long time ago... mkpasswd is more helpful way of accessing crypt great... but something is still missing
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05:35<SynrG>home-alone: you do not have openoffice packages installed. how did you install it?
05:36<jm_>Lantizia: it doesn't even need to be the same, but if you want it you can use -m (or --method) switch to specify it
05:36<home-alone>apt-get install openoffice.org
05:36<SynrG>home-alone: you do realize that if you 'apt-get install' something and it errors and tells you to 'apt-get update', after you do that, you then have to 'apt-get install' the thing you wanted to install in the first place?
05:36<SynrG>because the install never happened
05:37<Lantizia>jm_, but I _want_ it to be the same... and sha-512 doesn't get me the same as theres obviously this salt thing... I don't understand how those two letters are chosen
05:37<Lantizia>and also how is password authentication meant to work is sha-512 gives you a different result every time!
05:37<Lantizia>the idea is to compare sums isn't it?
05:37<SynrG>home-alone: i have to head out to the office. hope someone else can pick it up from here
05:37<Lantizia>i.e. to check a password is correct
05:37<jm_>the catch is that several strings will generate the same hash - also known as hash collision
05:38<home-alone>so it did not occupy any of my disk space...??? or I have to remove openoffice flies ...???
05:38<home-alone>files
05:38<koollman>Lantizia: the salt is random. the way to check a password you have is to concatenate the clear password, the salt and verify against the hash
05:38<koollman>err. and hash the password+salt result, of course
05:39<jm_>Lantizia: salt is compeltely random, there are no restrictions other than which subset characters need to be from
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05:39<jm_>heck mkpasswd will generate it for you if you don't specify it
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05:40<jm_>which mkpasswd -h tells you, but man page doesn't
05:40<Lantizia>koollman, so are you saying these two commands should have same output?!! echo "pass" | mkpasswd -s -m sha-512 -s zs and echo "passzs" | mkpasswd -s -m sha-512
05:41<jm_>no
05:41<Lantizia>oh hang on I didn't use capitol S
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05:42<Lantizia>which doesn't even work :S
05:43<Lantizia>jm_, koollman: do either of you even have an example line for making a password with mkpasswd?
05:43<Lantizia>i.e. in the format debian already uses by default
05:45<nyov>Lantizia: you could check the source of passwd, if you need exact details
05:45<nyov>http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-shadow/upstream/trunk/src/#_upstream_trunk_src_
05:45<Lantizia>i don't think the salt is two characters
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06:19<libowen> hello who has QGRUBEditor.deb
06:19<meglaw>maybee not a debian thing but why cant i connect to my services on meglaw.no-ip.biz that are portforwarded correcttly, i can ssh in and https works, but irc ports 6668 and 7000 no?
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06:27<Lantizia>jm_, nyov, koollman: ok thought I'd let you know this generates a debian 6 style shadow password.... mkpasswd -s -m sha-512 -S $(tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9./' < /dev/urandom | head -c 8)
06:27<Lantizia>mkpasswd unfortunately uses 16 long salt not 8 so had to generate a salt myself and pass it
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06:51<ext3>hi,i have a problem
06:51<ext3>using debian ispcp +webmin
06:51<ext3>updated to squeeze
06:52<blarson>!webmin
06:52<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
06:52<ext3>yeah it's not webmin problem
06:52<ext3>i download proftpd mod mysql etc to fix proftpd mysql
06:52<ext3>and still
06:53<ext3>i can't login via ftp
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06:55<ext3>the problem is proftpd can't sync with mysql
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06:57<ext3>any1 can help?
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07:05<Lantizia>hey the default user 1000 made by debian has these in it's home.... .bash_logout .bashrc and .profile
07:05<Lantizia>if I make a new user it doesn't have those 3 files... how/why can i put them in?
07:05<Lantizia>doesn't the cd just use useradd or does it do something else after?
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07:06<Hydroxide>Lantizia: new users should have them, at least if you do it with adduser (note that's not the same as useradd, which is lower-level)
07:06<Hydroxide>Lantizia: but, they're in /etc/skel - feel free to copy over
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07:06<Hydroxide>Lantizia: (and chown)
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07:06<Lantizia>Hydroxide, nah it's been done with newusers... found them in /etc/skel - literally just copy them over... that's it?
07:06<Hydroxide>Lantizia: and feel free to customize for your system too
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07:07<Hydroxide>Lantizia: no idea what the newusers command is
07:07<Hydroxide>Lantizia: it just copies them over and chowns them, yes
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07:07<Lantizia>echo "newuser:newpass:1001:1001:,,,:/home/newuser:/bin/bash" | newusers
07:07<Lantizia>automates making a user on one line taking care of encrypting the password for you
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07:08<Hydroxide>Lantizia: wow, I've never heard of it ... however the adduser command also takes care of that. the need to worry about whether the password gets encrypted or not is a very obsolete issue in 2011 :)
07:08<Lantizia>Hydroxide, but adduser can't be automated :P
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07:09<Hydroxide>Lantizia: not true - it has lots of args
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07:09<Lantizia>well I've looked at it for hours - it doesn't do what I want
07:09<Hydroxide>Lantizia: well, I guess it doesn't specify the password for you. on the other hand, your version puts the password in the bash history :-)
07:09<Hydroxide>unencrypted, on disk
07:09<Hydroxide>but, ok
07:09<Lantizia>Hydroxide, not if ran from inside a script
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07:09<Hydroxide>true
07:10<Lantizia>it only sets a default password anyway - the user is meant to change it after
07:10<Hydroxide>anyway, now you know what adduser does
07:10<Hydroxide>sure
07:10<Lantizia>so i don't mind the password it sets is in plain in the script
07:10<Hydroxide>ok
07:10<Lantizia>Hydroxide, adduser can't be automated, doesn't encrypt a plain password
07:10<Hydroxide>I accept that adduser can be ill-suited to some enterprise situations
07:10<Hydroxide>I've been in those myself
07:11<Hydroxide>I think most people who have a need to automate such things aren't using flat password files anyway. but, sounds like you can now make your solution work, so that's good
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07:12<Lantizia>i never understood why /root doesn't use the files from /etc/skel
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07:12<Lantizia>the .bashrc is totally different
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07:14<Hydroxide>Lantizia: I think people sometimes want them to be different, since the use of the root account is usually quite different than the user of a normal user account. however, feel free to make them the same on your system :-)
07:14<themill>"adduser can't be automated" -> grep adduser /var/lib/dpkg/info/*{pre,post}inst
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07:15<Hydroxide>as just a few examples, root usually has no write rights to most nfs shares, won't be logging in to X much, etc
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07:15<Hydroxide>themill: he was referring to encrypting a plaintext password in the same command as creating the user account
07:15<Hydroxide>themill: but, yeah, it's totally doable without that, and if you want to use two commands probably even with that
07:16<themill>indeed.
07:16<Lantizia>salt=$(tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9./' < /dev/urandom | head -c 8); mkpasswd -s -m sha-512 -S $salt password
07:16<Hydroxide>themill: and, actually, since adduser has support for running a local custom script, that could probably be integrated somehow
07:17<Lantizia>i'd have to use _THAT_ though to make an encrypted password the same way as adduser does by default
07:17<Lantizia>an 8 char salt with sha-512
07:17<Hydroxide>Lantizia: the important thing isn't to do it the same was as adduser does; the important thing is to do it in some sufficiently secure way that glibc can understand
07:18<Lantizia>were getting off point here
07:18<Hydroxide>Lantizia: are there any on-point questions that are still pending?
07:18<Lantizia>i don't mind using adduser but it _doesn't_ handle passing plaintext passwords
07:18<Hydroxide>ah
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07:21<Lantizia>Hydroxide, in fact I can't see anything in man adduser about passing even an encrypted password
07:22<jm_>useradd has it, not adduser
07:22<Lantizia>jm_, but useradd doesn't copy skel
07:22<Lantizia>lol - so I may as well go back to newusers
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07:22<themill>Lantizia: useradd does copy /etc/skel
07:22<jm_>Lantizia: it does if -m is used
07:23<Lantizia>ok i'll check useradd again
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07:23<ext3>Lantizia
07:23<ext3>can u help me pls;
07:24<Lantizia>why single me out? i'm the one getting help here - not the best candidate
07:24<jm_>you look more thrustworthy
07:24<Hydroxide>ext3: please just ask your question, not directed at a single person
07:26<Lantizia>jm_, since using newusers it someone knows to use a sha-512 sum with an 8 char salt... (just as adduser and password knows)... i find it hard to believe there is no easier way to just make an encypted password simply based off whatever the system default is
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07:26<Lantizia>s/someone/somehow
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07:27<Hydroxide>Lantizia: agreed - there probably is
07:28<Hydroxide>Lantizia: I know adduser calls passwd though
07:28<jm_>Lantizia: chpasswd also uses a default from login.defs
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07:29<themill>Lantizia: Did you actually tested as to whether the longer salt is a problem or not prior to spending lots of time on this?
07:29<Hydroxide>jm_: I think you probably mean /etc/pam.d/common-password now
07:30<Lantizia>if I find out how to make an encypted password without specifying what kind (i.e. system default) then I'll use adduser
07:30<Lantizia>for now I'm sticking to newusers and copying skel
07:30<jm_>Hydroxide: that's where the setting should be, but I don't think those tools look in there
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07:33<Hydroxide>jm_: well it's definitely not in my /etc/login.defs and it is in /etc/pam.d/common-password and /etc/login.defs has lots of comments pointing at the PAM config :) [though I'm running sid so it's might have changed post-squeeze. it's early enough in the release cycle that I doubt it]
07:34<Lantizia>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LVDVgwtL
07:34<Lantizia>basically what that does is... no matter what name/username/pass was set for the unpriviledged user whilst installing off the CD
07:35<Lantizia>it deletes it and remakes it to its own liking
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07:40<Hydroxide>Lantizia: huh, i didn't realize newusers was actually part of the passwd package, and even uses /etc/login.defs and /etc/pam.d/* just like the other core tools. that makes me inclined to stop discouraging its use for your use case :-)
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07:42<Lantizia>Hydroxide, shame it has no -m like useradd
07:42<jm_>I told you, just like chpasswd for example
07:42<equity23>does affect the consistency of the APT database when installing packages via "dpkg -i <package_name>" ?
07:42<Hydroxide>jm_: told me what?
07:42<Hydroxide>equity23: that won't hurt the consistency, no
07:42<jm_>Hydroxide: to quote myself "also uses a default from login.defs"
07:43<equity23>Hydroxide: thanks
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07:43<Hydroxide>jm_: yeah, but if you look at the man page for newusers, the defaults it gets from login.defs don't include the hash algorithm
07:43<Hydroxide>jm_: and it has a /etc/pam.d/newusers which just @include's the common-password file which does specify the hash algorithm
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07:44<Lantizia>if I...... cp /etc/skel/.* /home/newuser ....... this matches . .. .bash_logout .bashrc .profile ..... any way I can just get it to not match . and .. ?
07:44<jm_>Hydroxide: my man page says it does
07:44<Hydroxide>jm_: which version of debian? I don't have a squeeze system handy to check, but I'm running sid and I can check lenny. (I guess I could ssh into a debian.org squeeze machine too)
07:44<jm_>Hydroxide: lenny
07:45<Hydroxide>jm_: right - this seems to be different between lenny and sid
07:45<Hydroxide>for both chpasswd newusers
07:45<jm_>Hydroxide: probably more of it got deprecated then, it already happened in older releases
07:45<Hydroxide>yeah
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07:50<ext3>proftpd didn't work now coz i update to squeeze
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07:52<ext3>proftpd-mod-mysql installed,using mysql database for ftp accounts
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07:53<ext3>Hydroxide?
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07:56<ext3>Lantizia can u help me ?
07:56<ext3>all afk here
07:56<Lantizia>do I know you or something?
07:56<ext3>y
07:58<ext3>any1 can u help meee?
07:58<ext3>any1 can u help meee?
07:58<ext3>any1 can u help meee?
07:58<ext3>any1 can help me??????????
07:59*MrFrood gives ext3 a lolipop
07:59<ext3>ty)
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08:02<ext3>nice 480 fake screens and 1 user helping
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08:03<Lantizia>your forgetting you look like a handful - which puts people off
08:03<ext3>me?no :(
08:03<ext3>they are bots
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08:03<Lantizia>yes it's just you me and the bots lol... in fact I AM A BOT . . . mwhahhaahaa
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08:04<Lantizia>:)
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08:06<classical>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4307386#post4307386
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08:20<Jonathan>Can someone help me with Snort and Acidbase on Debian Lenny?
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08:24<Jonathan>Can someone help me out? :)
08:25<petemc>if you just ask your real question someone may answer it
08:25<Jonathan>Sure :)
08:26<Jonathan>I have Snort with Acidbase installed on my Debian Lenny. When i go to the webpage from Base it doesn't give me any alerts.
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08:26<Jonathan>ps aux says that it is running
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08:29<Jonathan>Acidbase just won't let me see any alerts anymore. It did work before until a couple of days ago when i rebooted.
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08:30<petemc>Jonathan: i know nothing of either of those apps, but are there no logs to check?
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08:31<Jonathan>the logs says that snort is starting but Acidbase which is the gui of snort doestn want to load the data from the mysql database
08:31<Jonathan>its a common setup for a IDS network
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08:31<ext3[Z_\]>motherfucker noob?
08:31<ext3[]`^]>motherfucker noob?
08:31<ext3[[[_]>motherfucker noob?
08:31<ext3[a_a]>motherfucker noob?
08:31<ext3[`_[]>motherfucker noob?
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08:32<Jonathan>?
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08:32<ext3[`^]]>motherfucker noob?
08:32<ext3[`_Z]>motherfucker noob?
08:32<ext3[[[_]>motherfucker noob?
08:32<ext3[_aZ]>motherfucker noob?
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08:32<ext3[_[Z]>motherfucker noob?
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08:32<ext3[`^]]>Ganneff motherfucker noob?
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08:32<ext3[`^]]>Ganneff motherfucker noob?
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08:32<Jonathan>thank you
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08:33<Jonathan>the setup is complicated for a beginner like me, but i like to do things with linux
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08:34<adi>motherfucker noob?
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08:34<Jonathan>not again ...
08:35<@Ganneff>just dont react on it, its only a brainless kid
08:35<SynrG>nothing to see here. move along
08:35<mwalling>all better
08:36<tjader>how can I remove a package whose post-rm returns an error?
08:36<Jonathan>I'll try to look for a IRC channel with people that know a bit more from snort. :) Thanks for the help
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08:39<jm_>tjader: edit postinst, perhaps check BTS if it's a known problem
08:40<@Ganneff>tjader: you can see why it returns an error and fix that part - or modify postrm to never return an error
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08:40<tjader>where can I edit the postrm?
08:40<@themill>!postrm
08:40<dpkg>During package installation, dpkg runs a script called the "preinst", unpacks the contents of the .deb and then runs the "postinst". When removing, it runs the "prerm", deletes the files and then runs the "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script.
08:40<tjader>thanks
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08:41<@themill>tjader: something more elegant than just adding "exit 0" is always preferable.
08:41<tjader>I know.
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08:42<@themill>btw, what package is this with and what's the error?
08:42<tjader>themill: it's not a debian package
08:43<tjader>the name is rnboifd
08:43<tjader>And the error is just "postrm returned 2"...
08:43<tjader>not very helpful :p
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08:43<jm_>it's the script show should report the actual error, not dpkg, dpkg can only give you what it gets
08:43<@themill>tjader: if it's a shell script, running it with "set -x" can be helpful
08:44<jm_>show=that
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08:46<tjader>jm_: I know, but the script does'nt say anything
08:46<tjader>just fails :p
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09:12<mihkel_>Hi. A question about laptop-mode-tools. In /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf I have set the value BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=128
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09:12<mihkel_>A I read from hdparm man page value 128 should not spin down HDD, but I can clearly hear it spins down
09:12<mihkel_>as I read*
09:13<mihkel_>Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?
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09:14<kayaman>!dpkg firmware-iwlwifi
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09:16<meglaw>ip iptabels look wrong
09:16<mihkel_>also when I run hdparm -B /dev/sda on battery power APM_level= 128 as I stated in conf file
09:16<meglaw>http://pastebin.com/fPi89gKA
09:16<meglaw> that host is wrong
09:16<meglaw>could i change it to 127.0.0.1?
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09:36<mihkel_>I also have another question
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09:36<mihkel_>about usb ports. When I plug in my usb stick, nautilus will open and I can browse my files on that stick
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09:37<mihkel_>but my expresscard and usb mouse are no recognized
09:37<mihkel_>nothing is printed onto dmesg
09:38<mihkel_>lsusb does not reveal them
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09:39<mihkel_>at first I thought that it is somehow related to laptop-mode-tools, but I purged it and still nothing
09:39<mihkel_>even after reboot :)
09:39<nutterpc>kernel config correct?
09:39<mihkel_>stock debian kernel
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09:40<nutterpc>what hardware is it on?
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09:40<mihkel_>thinkpad t61
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09:41*nutterpc would personally do a custom kernel
09:41<nutterpc>but thats me
09:41<nutterpc>:)
09:41<mihkel_>I don't think its a kernel thing
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09:42<mihkel_>may something to do with power management
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09:43<nutterpc>it also can be bios config
09:43<nutterpc>without seein how u have it setup
09:43<nutterpc>i couldnt really say
09:44<mihkel_>it could be... I'll check bios settings
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09:51<mihkel_>nothing interesting in BIOS
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09:54<mihkel_>damn
09:55<mihkel_>silly me. During power management optimisations I have blacklisted uhci_hcd module
09:55<mihkel_>modprobe uhci_hcd and I see my expresscard :P
09:55<mihkel_>sorry for the noise
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09:57<nutterpc>lol
09:57<nutterpc>:)
09:57*nutterpc grins
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10:39<sylar>is there trash can for netatalk?
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10:46<jhutchins_lt>sylar: netatalk is a networking protocol.
10:47<sylar>jhutchins_lt, file sharing protocol, like samba
10:48<sylar>imho
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10:49<jhutchins_lt>sylar: http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/
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11:28<resum0n>Hey! just a question... someone know how can i do for run COMMANDS on terminal with output in real time? for example.. gnome-terminal in a web interface... it's possible?
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11:28<petemc>most languages support system()
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11:28<petemc>most that you would use on the web, anyway
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11:29<jhutchins_lt>!tell resum0n about free whcp
11:30<jhutchins_lt>resum0n: Those often include a virtual console.
11:31<resum0n>jhutchins_lt: sorry!? ;/
11:31<babilen>resum0n: What do you need this for? SSH is a nice way to run commands on a remote host and get output in (almost) real time
11:32<resum0n>babilen: i know! but i need use terminal(gnome-terminal) using a web interface, without ssh, for example: open 127.0.0.0/gterminal and it's show the black screen with terminal in real time...
11:32<resum0n>babilen: it's a school project.
11:32<babilen>why?
11:33<sney>!homework
11:33<dpkg>from memory, homework is something you should do yourself.
11:33<babilen>ah, so this is homework?
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11:34<mihkel_>something like this? http://www.osnews.com/story/24536/Gtk_3_2_Runs_Any_Gtk_Application_in_a_Browser
11:34<resum0n>babilen: no a homework... just the teacher say to do any project using linux, so i'm creating a Virtualbox web administrator in a web interface (dashboard) with login and password, mysql, and commands on background to start and stop machines
11:34<resum0n>babilen: BUT! i want add a terminal there, on dashboard.
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11:35<resum0n>babilen: just for cause more cool interface! :D it's be cool, a terminal on a web dashboard..
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11:36<resum0n>babilen: i look a think that appear with this, METASPLOIT WEB INTERFACE have a web console.
11:36<resum0n>babilen: but don't use the system commands, just metasploit commands
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11:37<resum0n>babilen: for example: http://www.metasploit.com/images/gallery/msfweb-ie7-2.jpg
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11:37<resum0n>babilen: cool web console, i'm trying do this! but the web console need control ALL SYSTEM
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11:41<babilen>about time to look into one of the web frameworks :) -- /me recommends flask, pyramid, bottle (python), snap (haskell), rails (ruby), nitrogen, erlyweb for erlang or compojure for clojure. All of them can call into the system. Be careful and have fun.
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12:19<MEGAZOIDE>hola
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12:21<dpkg>'MEGAZOIDE' is 99.9006% lame, retrospectacus
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13:01<Hackebein>Hello
13:01<Hackebein>is someone here?
13:02<retrospectacus>Hackebein: hundreds of us
13:02<retrospectacus>just waiting for someone to ask an interesting question
13:02<Hackebein>:D
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13:04<Hackebein>Ich suche einen Mail-Server der die ankommenden mails (beispielsweise an user1@xxx.com, user2@xxx.com) weiterleitet an bestimmte EMailadresse bei beispielsweiße gmx.net oder Web.de
13:04<Hackebein>i hope my english is not too bad :P
13:05<Hackebein>I am looking for a mail server of the incoming mail (for example, to user1@xxx.com, user2@xxx.com) forwarding to designated email address at gmx.net such white or Web.de
13:05<jhutchins_lt>Hackebein: exim4 is the debian default
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13:06<babilen>Hackebein: Just use exim4 and set the redirection goals in /etc/aliases -- You have to configure it as "Smarthost" or "Internet Site" in order to be able to deliver mail to external servers.
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13:07<Hackebein>i love this IRC channel :) thank you
13:07<babilen>Hackebein: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch22.html
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13:09<Hackebein>I need a German tutorial, my english is too bad
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13:09<babilen>Hackebein: exim4 reconfiguration is done with "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" -- If you don't have a real mailserver you most likely want to configure it as smarthost. Set passwords in /etc/exim4/passwd.client in the form of "host:user:password" -- "smtp.example.com:Hackebein:MeinWunderbaresPassword"
13:09<babilen>!de
13:09<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
13:10<Hackebein>in that channel no someone answer me
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13:10<babilen>Hackebein: Guck mal ob es die exim Dokumentation nicht auch auf Deutsch gibt. Letztlich willst du in /etc/aliases so in etwa "Hackebein: hackebein@gmail.com" stehen haben. Viel Glueck!
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13:11<babilen>Hackebein: Otherwise: Google Translate ;_
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13:13<Hackebein>I still have a question, is the installation:
13:13<Hackebein>mail sent by smarthost; no local mail local delivery only; not on a network
13:13<Hackebein>what is right?
13:13<Hackebein>ohh stop
13:13<Hackebein>by the installation:
13:13<Hackebein>1) mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail
13:14<Hackebein>or
13:14<Hackebein>2) mail sent by smarthost; no local mail
13:14<Hackebein>mail sent by smarthost; no local mail
13:14<Hackebein>both are smart host
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13:14<babilen>yes, do you receive mail with, for example, an email program?
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13:16<Hackebein>i want send an email to user1@xxx.com and ther xxx.com-server repeat it to userxyz@gmx.net
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13:21<pthree_>I've just "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" and read the notes. They do not mention udev. I have a question regarding order of operations for sources.list, kernel, udev for a lenny->squeeze upgrade
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13:22<pthree_>currently up-to-date lenny with kernel: Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-26lenny2)
13:22<babilen>!squeeze release notes
13:22<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>.
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13:23<babilen>pthree_: I would recommend to read and follow the release notes for Squeeze
13:23<themill>both the release notes and dpkg tell you to upgrade udev
13:23<pthree_>Yes, they do
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13:23<pthree_>I have read and re-read
13:23<pthree_>I want to know if I should edit the sources.list BEFORE I upgrade kernel/udev
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13:23<babilen>pthree_: And ... ah themill already said it :)
13:24<themill>you do it in exactly the order specified.
13:24<babilen>yes, but read the release notes. chapter 4 contains detailed step by step instructions and the "What's new in squeeze" chapter contains important changes.
13:24<pthree_>Chapter four suggests upgrading sources first, then kernel, then udev
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13:25<viper3k>I'm trying to install debian from an SD card ... it does find the .iso netinst I have put on it but then directly fails on "load installer components from an installer ISO" ... where should I start looking to fix this ?
13:26<babilen>pthree_: As does the dpkg factoid
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13:27<pthree_>dpkg factoid doesn't mention udev or grub
13:27<dpkg>no idea, pthree_
13:27<pthree_>babilen: my issue is that I'm getting conflicting info and want to do it right :)
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13:28<babilen>pthree_: It sure does: apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev
13:28<themill>pthree_: dpkg tells you to upgrade udev. dpkg's factoid is the short summary -- the release notes the same details expanded more
13:28<pthree_>curses!
13:28<babilen>pthree_: You don't get conflicting instructions. But, if in doubt, follow the release notes.
13:28<pthree_>thanks guys, that helps, sry for the trouble
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13:29<pthree_>and installed grub is 0.97 from what I've read, I need grub2, right?
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13:32<ml|>iirc, grub2 is default for stable
13:32<babilen>which does not mean that you can't use grub1, but it is the default :)
13:33<ml|>right :)
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13:34<pthree_>excellent
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13:34<babilen></mr burns>
13:35<pthree_>lenny->squeeze has me in pucker-city. I've been using deb stable production servers since 2000/potato(?) :)
13:35<jhutchins_lt>pthree_: Actually, it's been very smooth for most people.
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13:36<pthree_>that’s good
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13:36<pthree_>just changed my fsck/tune2fs so I won't be slowed down by a forced fsck
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13:43<glupek>hello all
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13:43<glupek>is it a proper place to ask some questions about debian?
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13:44<EmleyMoor>glupek: Perfectly
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13:45<fatzgenfatz>hello, I have a question about connecting 2 computers via serial cable. If i type "cat /dev/ttyS0" on the first computer and "echo "1234\r" >/dev/ttyS0" on the second one I should see something on the first computer, right? Or do I need anything else?
13:45<free_the_node26>what do you use for a CalDAV client and server?
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13:49<blarson>fatzgenfatz: If you are using a null modem cable, have the baud rate set the same on both sides, etc.
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13:52<fatzgenfatz>@blarson. Yes, I have a null modem cable and set the baud on both computers to 115200 with setserial. It seems that I have to re-check my serial cable from the Mainboard-Header to the null modem cable
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13:53<fatzgenfatz>@blarson: thanks
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13:59<gutifarra>hola ai alguien
13:59<er_guti>kie haces
13:59<gutifarra>eeee primo
13:59<er_guti>ke aces chamakito jajajajaj
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14:00<glupek>hi
14:00<er_guti>ola
14:00<gutifarra>hi
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14:01<gutifarra>hydroxide hyyy
14:01<er_guti>ola primo
14:01<er_guti>estas hay
14:02<gutifarra>siii
14:02<er_guti>ke dice argentino jajajaja
14:02<gutifarra>akiiii toyyy
14:02<er_guti>aaaaaaaa
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14:02<er_guti>una shingada jajajajaj!!!!!!!
14:03<gutifarra>ajajajajaj
14:03<gutifarra>shinga a tu puta madre luismaaaa muajajajai
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14:03<er_guti>killo esto ke es internacional
14:03<er_guti>ijo puta shinga a la tuya
14:03<gutifarra>uajajajaja
14:03<gutifarra>mi madre es un shingadq
14:03<gutifarra>de las boludas
14:03<gutifarra>xD
14:04<er_guti>mañana un examen ke asco
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14:04<er_guti>no kerer irme
14:04<er_guti>kiero acer una shingada
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14:15<kingofnerds>I am trying to determie if a patch to kernel 2.6.35 has been back ported into a current deiban kernel.
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14:16<kingofnerds>where would I look?
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14:17<kingofnerds>bug number in kernel.org is 14679
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14:18<pparadis>kingofnerds: http://www.debian.org/security/ ?
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14:18<kingofnerds>it isn't a security bug
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14:18<km>who killed the irc.linux.org server?
14:19<chealer>kingofnerds: which current kernel?
14:20<pparadis>there's always http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
14:21<kingofnerds>chealer: looking in 2.6.32 to see if it will work with my toshiba laptop
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14:21<Yoda-BZH>kingofnerds maybe packages.qa.debian.org/linux-2.6
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14:22<kingofnerds>Yoda-BZH: ok, I will check there.
14:22<chealer>kingofnerds: do you know if it was backported upstream?
14:23<kingofnerds>is there anywhere that will map debian bugs to kernel.org bug nubmers?
14:23<kingofnerds>chealer: no, that is what I am trying to figure out. I know that the patch was added to 2.6.35 though
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14:23<deux>hi everyone, this really bugs me - i've been trying for the past couple of days to get my mic to work but i can't seem to find the way (although last week in installed debian on the same exact computer and it worked
14:24<deux>can anyone help me?
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14:24<chealer>kingofnerds: well we can't really help you with that, #kernel would know better. you would normally check if the fix was backported upstream and if not try to find a corresponding bug report in Debian's BTS.
14:25<kingofnerds>chealer: thanks I will try at #kernel
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14:27<km>any ideas what is causing this gdb warning: (Internal error: pc 0x0 in read in psymtab, but not in symtab.)
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14:29<deux>can anyone help me with my mic problem?
14:29<ashray>hello
14:30<ashray>can any one help me with the my problem?
14:30<dondelelcaro>best for you both to just ask your question. if someone can help, they will
14:30<ashray>m not able to download big softwares in linux using sudo command
14:30<retrospectacus>!ask
14:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:30<devil>ashray: in linux?
14:30<pparadis>sudo downloads files?
14:30<ashray>yup
14:31<ashray>for installing ...
14:31<MrFrood>ashray: su -c
14:31<devil>ashray: what is that exactly?
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14:31<retrospectacus>ashray: you have not explained your problem... please read what dpkg said above
14:32<ashray>i m using ubuntu 10.10. I want to install java, amarok, etc in my system
14:32<devil>ashray: thats what i thought. this is debian
14:32<MrFrood>!ubuntu
14:32<ashray>for that m using sudo aptget -install command
14:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:33<retrospectacus>ashray: you should ask someone who uses ubuntu
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14:33<devil>ashray: and the command is apt-get install ...
14:33<towo`>aptget install will never work
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14:33<ashray>isnt ubuntu a debian based os?
14:33<pparadis>14:32 < dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian
14:34<pparadis>etc
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14:40<free_the_node26>what do you guys as CalDAV clients and servers?
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14:41<retrospectacus>free_the_node26: I think you missed a word or 3 there
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14:42*pparadis accidentally the whole thing.
14:43<retrospectacus>!confuse free_the_node26
14:43<dpkg>No, them is their bacon today, free_the_node26? Wellies of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra ham.
14:43<pthree_>free_the_node26: I use Thunderbird 2/3 & gcal, but I've looked into calendar-server
14:43<pthree_>free_the_node26: calendar-server requires xattr, and I didn't want to reboot just to play :)
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14:50<fransuicide>eei
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14:52<fransuicide>ola
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15:06<MrPepper>Hi guys
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15:07<MrPepper>Does anybody now a good tutorial for noobs about BASH/the terminal in unix?
15:07<MrPepper>Some sort of lynda.com tutorial?
15:07<MrPepper>Trying to learn this new stuff!
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15:08<jhutchins_lt>MrPepper: Yeah, hang on a sec.
15:09<MrPepper>jhut :)
15:09<babilen>!general cli tutorial
15:09<dpkg>http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/, http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html or http://bhami.com/rosetta.html
15:09<babilen>I haven't read those. jhutchins_lt might have (better?) ones
15:09<sney>I just make it up as I go along
15:10<jhutchins_lt>!general cli tutorial
15:10<dpkg>http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/, http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html or http://bhami.com/rosetta.html
15:10<jhutchins_lt>D'Oh!
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15:10<MrPepper>Haha!
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15:10<babilen>http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
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15:12<babilen>http://en.flossmanuals.net/command-line/index has been recommended in the past too
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15:12<MrPepper>I'll have a look at those, thanks guys
15:12<jhutchins_lt>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html https://help.ubuntucom/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevc ter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.htm http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html
15:12<jhutchins_lt>that's macdevcenter.com - got munged.
15:12<babilen>MrPepper: have fun :)
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15:14<free_the_node26><retrospectacus>: Okay... let's say my English is not the best... But at least pthree_ understood the point :)
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15:15<free_the_node26><retrospectacus>: Ah yeah... I forgot the word "use" before the word "as"
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15:15<jhutchins_lt>free_the_node26: You sure you have the right channel?
15:15<jhutchins_lt>free_the_node26: Ah, question about caldav
15:15<jhutchins_lt>!caldav
15:16<free_the_node26>!caldav
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15:17<free_the_node26><jhutchins_lt>: Unfortunately there is no channel about CalDAV (or WebDAV) at all.
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15:17<jhutchins_lt>free_the_node26: IRC isn't for everything. Most projects use a mailing list.
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15:18<MrPepper>Hmm, why am I not getting a server list when I enter the command /list?
15:18<MrPepper>I mean channel list
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15:18<free_the_node26>Why has MrPepper been kicked?
15:19<MrPepper>My bad
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15:24<pthree_>free_the_node26: if you have a server to play around with, try this: http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CalendarServer
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15:26<free_the_node26>pthree_: thanks for the suggestion but I do not want to use Apple Inc. stuff
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15:26<free_the_node26>pthree_: If you have any more advice, please give it to me. I've got to help out my mom for a while
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15:29<pthree_>free_the_node26: then use google calendar, which has excellent caldav support
15:29<pthree_>free_the_node26: or kerio
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15:35<EmleyMoor>Easiest command line way to play an mp3 to a particular sound card? (alsa)
15:36<babilen>mpg123
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15:37<EmleyMoor>mpg123 plays to card 0
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15:38<cahoot>mplayer lets you choose card
15:39<EmleyMoor>Done it with mplayer now anyway
15:39<EmleyMoor>mpg123 can be made to do it but it's always been a bit awkward
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15:48<Class>hello i have disable gnome-screen saver but i can still see it after restart in ps aux
15:48<Class>why ?
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15:49<sney>you disabled gnome-screensaver, or you told it no screensaver in the control panel?
15:49<free_the_node26>pthree_: thanks
15:49<timon>hello :)
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15:49<edgar>hi guys!
15:49<sney>hello
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15:50<timon>I've got some strange network thing happening here...
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15:51<edgar>hi sney!
15:51<edgar>if I may ask my dumbass question of the day, does squeeze have a way of taking screenshots out of the box?
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15:51<timon>...this morning, everything was fine with this machine. In the afternoon, everything was still fine. Now I've got trouble connecting to anything
15:51<edgar>i mean, without having to install any extra packages
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15:51<Lantizia>Lo I'm assuming when volatile was shutdown - so was volatile sloppy?
15:52<edgar>timon, do you have another machine in the same local network with a proper connectivity?
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15:52<sney>edgar: I don't think so. usually it requires either scrot or graphicsmagick as a backend
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15:52<timon>edgar: I don't have access to other machines right now
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15:52<timon>(it took me 12 minutes to connect to this server)
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15:53<timon>but ... that's what I was about to do, go over to a flatmate and ask if he's getting online alright)
15:53<kingofnerds>good news, the patch for acpi=copy_dsdt has been in the debian kernel since 2.6.32-22
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15:53<kingofnerds>that means that I can install Linux Mint Debian Edition on my Toshiba laptop...
15:53<sney>kingofnerds: congratulations, but #debian doesn't support Mint
15:54<Class>sney, i disabled it from system preference gnome-screensaver
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15:54<kingofnerds>true, but it uses the debian kernel from testing
15:54<edgar>thx sney! btw, which one do you recomend? i am familiar with the magick ones, but not with scrot
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15:54<sney>edgar: scrot has some neat features like a countdown, but I just default to import -window root
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15:55<kingofnerds>well, thanks for all the help, I should get back to work now.
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15:56<edgar>timor, have you pinged a very available system like www.google.com?
15:56<timon>edgar: first thing
15:56<edgar>sorry!
15:56<timon>don't worry, many people wouldn't have thought of it - who told you, I did? ;)
15:56<edgar>and im guessing a lot of dropped packages and some wildly divergent round trip times
15:56<timon>my flatmate can't connect to anything either
15:57<sney>Class: it still has to run the screensaver daemon just to hang on to your settings. don't worry, it's not eating any system resources so as you'd notice. You could remove the gnome-screensaver package if you really need it gone; you might need to fight with apt a little bit but it is doable
15:57<timon>actually no dropped packages but an average rtt of 10243ms
15:58<Class>sney, but it will take up whole gnome :-D
15:58<edgar>average of wildly divergent times, or quite homogenous individual measurements?
15:58<timon>any opposition to pulling the router's plug and putting it back in? admin's not here, so it should be safe to do so?
15:59<sney>timon: it sort of sounds like your isp might be doing this. do you have a capped connection? any chance you've exceeded it?
15:59<timon>sney: ask the admin
15:59<sney>Class: try with aptitude, it'll give you a few options.
15:59<timon>but as far as I know, there's lots of money in this house and a money-bringer who's having quite some traffic
15:59<sney>timon: anyway, power cycling the router can't hurt. leave it off for 10 seconds then plug it back in
16:00<sney>it's also possible some bozo on your network is saturating it with torrent traffic or somethign
16:00<timon>and it's a really fast connection (my personal maximum was some 3.something MBit/sec)
16:00<timon>sney: that would probably be me
16:00<Class>sney, Remove the following packages:
16:00<Class>gnome
16:00<Class>gnome-desktop-environment
16:01<timon>but it's not me
16:01<timon>anyway, I'll give the router a try
16:01<timon>have a nice time everyone, if I don't come back
16:01<edgar>good luck, timon
16:02<sney>Class: only those two? that's safe. those are just metapackages, they don't have software in them.
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16:04<pcc>hello- I find that every few minutes my /etc/resolv.conf goes blank (except for the first two lines, comments related to resolvconf) when connected to a specific wireless network
16:04<pparadis>pcc: that gets rewritten by your dhcp client.
16:04<pcc>it's got so bad I now have a shell alias to restore the resolv.conf file
16:04<pcc>can I force resolv to never write the resolv.conf unless it has entries for it?
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16:05<pparadis>there are likely options for preventing DNS entries getting pulled from DHCP.
16:05<pparadis>pcc: have you looked through the panel settings for networking related to this?
16:05<sney>yeah, it's in dhclient options, I can't remember but the man pages should show
16:06<pparadis>indeed, although i'm _presuming_ (maybe i'm wrong) that there's a graphical environment here, so it may be easier to twiddle whatever knob is necessary there.
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16:06<angelo>hi ... whats a good c IDE for debian
16:06<pcc>pparadis: I don't use NetworkManager or anything like that - I have a bunch of settings in /etc/network/interfaces
16:06<angelo>for console not X
16:07<pparadis>pcc: yeah, same here.
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16:07<pcc>I'll see if I can get dhclient to do that for a specific wireless network, but soemhow I doubt it
16:07<pparadis>pcc: then as per sney, you'll want to look at dhclient options, possibly poke around under /etc/dhcp[something?]/
16:08<pparadis>but do note that this means you'll need to maintain resolv.conf yourself for different environments.
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16:08<pcc>that seems a bigger headache than just telling resolvconf not to write if there are 0 entries
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16:08<timon>hmm ... seems like I'm connected to a different router?
16:08<pcc>(perhaps I can just patch resolvconf...)
16:09<pparadis>0 entries? so you'd tell it not to write if there's a blank resolv.conf?
16:09<pparadis>how does that help you resolve anything? :)
16:09<sney>timon: ... well, if you're inadvertently stealing someone else's wifi, that would explain why it's so slwo
16:09<timon>sney: wicd reports "my" essid
16:09<pparadis>pcc: oh sorry, durp, you're using resolvconf (which i don't use myself).
16:09<pcc>pparadis: because I'd end up keeping a resolv.conf with some entries in it
16:10<pparadis>i use either the isc client or dhcpcd.
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16:11<pcc>pparadis: as I recall, I needed resolvconf in order to override the "domain" setting so it would always use my personal domain no matter what the DHCP server gave me
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16:12<pparadis>if you're using the isc client and have /etc/hostname set to your short hostname, with your FQDN in /etc/hosts, i believe that will work.
16:13<pcc>pparadis: that wouldn't help for resolving other hosts in my domain, as far as I'm aware
16:14<pparadis>in that case, you can still tell it not to grab DNS from DHCP, in which case you can maintain your own /etc/resolv.conf
16:14<pparadis>but have you considered installing something like dnsmasq on the local network to solve this problem instead?
16:14<pparadis>i use dnsmasq to provide DHCP and name resolution services on my home and office LANs, and it works great.
16:14<pcc>I still want the nameserver entries to come from DHCP (on certain networks, only the nameserver entries they give you will work)
16:15<pparadis>you just want it to preserve whatever entries you already had in resolv.conf?
16:15<pparadis>(adding its own)
16:15<angelo>anybody who knows a good C editor for console ??
16:15*pparadis uses vi and nano.
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16:15<pparadis>angelo: but that's likely to start an editor war...
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16:16<angelo>pparadise : yes nano is ok .. but I'd like a more specific editor for coding
16:16<pcc>pparadis: I think that's part of what resolvconf is capable of
16:16<pparadis>pcc: ah, i see :)
16:16<angelo>I don't wanna start a war .. just like some suggestions ;)
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16:16<pparadis>a lot of folks really do like vi/vim.
16:17<pparadis>you might try it out and see how you like it, other folks like emacs, etc. trying stuff is really your best bet.
16:17<angelo>I know .. but those are just editors .. not specific coding editors for C ...
16:17<babilen>angelo: Its either vim or emacs -- pick your poison. An easy way to learn vim is to run "vimtutor" -- Have fun!
16:17<pparadis>angelo: are you asking for things like syntax highlighting? they can do that.
16:17<angelo>like to try one of those .. you know .. different colloring .. auto tabbing
16:17<sney>angelo: jed is an emacs-oid that has pretty neat default syntax highlighting
16:18<angelo>sney .. didn't know that ;)
16:18<angelo>lemme try
16:18<babilen>angelo: vim and emacs are *perfect* for developing C, but it needs some time. I would also recommend to discuss this in either ##c, #vim or #emacs
16:19<ompaul>angelo: go and compile xcoral http://xcoral.free.fr/ I used to use it years ago, it has a lovely retro feel and highlights c/c++ ;-)
16:19<angelo>xcoral .. is that for use in console ??
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16:19<SynrG>and if you want the bastard spawn of vim and a more standard editor experience (^C, ^X, ^V work, etc.) then try cream :)
16:19<kop>angelo: There's also the eclipse ide, but I prefer emacs. (Start emacs and read the screen. It will tell you how to take the tuitorial.)
16:19<ompaul>angelo: ahh sorry didn't note ok no it is not
16:19<timon_>didn't find anything ... had to fall back to the slow&expensive mobile "broadband" dongle
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16:20<timon_>and now I'm missing my bag :/ it's not my day today...
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16:20<tdrusk>How can I get Samba printing in system-config-printer? http://imgur.com/G79sH
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16:21<babilen>angelo: I personally recommend vim, but make up your own mind.
16:21<angelo>babilen .. how can I make vim highlight syntaxes and so
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16:23<SynrG>angelo: in your /etc/vim/vimrc or ~/.vimrc "syntax on"
16:24<SynrG>angelo: read the default /etc/vim/vimrc, as there are lots of comments explaining various options that you might want and can usually activate just by uncommenting
16:24<babilen>angelo: I would start with "vimtutor" which walks you through the basic commands. You have to install a "larger" vim package than the one that is installed by default. I would recommend vim-gnome
16:24<MrFrood>vim-gtk
16:25<babilen>angelo: vim-gtk is also a good option if you don't use gnome. Install it with "aptitude install vim-gtk" (or "aptitude install vim-gnome")
16:25*babilen scowls at MrFrood
16:25*MrFrood grins
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16:26<musca>vi users tend to insert many extra "i" into their texts
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16:26<babilen>musca: I call bullshiit!
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16:30<tdrusk>musca: ino they don't!:!wq
16:31<musca>hehe.
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16:40<Modular>Hello I am looking to be able to change a PDF to a PNG / JPEG
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16:40<pparadis>this channle is really for debian support; have you tried googling for that?
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16:40<pparadis>chanel, even
16:41<pparadis>channel, even. jeez, i really need to get my typing under control today.
16:42<Modular>pparadis: yeah I have looked found a couple scripts to use would rather eithe do it with cli my self or a GUI to do it.
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16:43<pparadis>Modular: this was the first google result for me --> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/pdf-to-png-converter-57142/
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16:49<Modular>pparadis: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/PDF+to+PNG?content=83110&PHPSESSID=6 was first one for me and it was only in Finish and Italian. I don't speak either of those :(
16:50<pparadis>i just searched for --> linux convert pdf to png
16:50<Modular>should i search for linux or OS specific?
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16:51<pparadis>Modular: i believe the link i gave you above contains the information you're looking for.
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16:53<eshat> /msg dpkg pastebin
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16:55<deuxpi>Modular: an old way to to it is to use Ghostscript (see http://svn.ghostscript.com/ghostscript/tags/ghostscript-9.01/doc/Devices.htm#PNG )
16:55<deuxpi>*do
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17:52<GindeK>hello ll
17:52<winsen1>hello everybody
17:52<GindeK>*hello all
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17:53<winsen1>how can i acce to "/.VirtualBox" in /home? thanks
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17:53<winsen1>how can i access to "/.VirtualBox" in /home? thanks
17:54<amphi>what do you mean, 'access'?
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17:55<amphi>you really mean /.VirtualBox ?
17:56<mjt>maybe the prob is to access a hidden file from a file manager? :)
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17:57<amphi>mayhap
17:57<sney>winsen1: have you ever been to #debian-fr ?
17:57<winsen1>http://pastebin.fr/10940
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17:58<retrospectacus>winsen1: looks good. what's the problem?
17:58<retrospectacus>try "ls -la" if you think there is more stuff there
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17:58<winsen1>just want to access to am foulder
17:59<amphi>winsen1: ls -a to show 'hidden' files & directories
17:59<winsen1>ok
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17:59<retrospectacus>winsen1: can you perhaps explain your problem in the form of "when I do _________ I expected ___________ but I got _________"
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18:00<abcd82>winsen1: you using gnome?
18:00<winsen1>i want to remove some isofiles in /.VirtualBox , cause it takes big space
18:00<winsen1>yes
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18:00<winsen1>yes i am gnome
18:01<abcd82>winsen1: open file manager, press view, check "Show hidden Files"
18:01<GindeK>you are gnome or you are using gnome :D ?
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18:01<GindeK>you can also check "ctrl + h" hot keys
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18:02<winsen1>abcd82>i tested that but i couldn't see /.VirtualBox
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18:03<babilen>winsen1: CTRL-l and enter it manually
18:03<pparadis>winsen1: do you actually mean: ~/.VirtualBox (i am fairly certain the directory /.VirtualBox does not exist on your computer)
18:03<winsen1>abcd82>now it ok, thank you very mutch
18:03<abcd82>winsen1: np
18:04<winsen1>how can i increase /home?
18:05<winsen1>i don't know using lvm
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18:08<winsen1>Is there another way? or maybe i can install VBox and run it in another partition NTFS or FAT, is it possible ?
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18:09<retrospectacus>winsen1: that would not help your disk space problem
18:10<winsen1><retrospectacus>maybe you mean , that vbox will be installed nevertheless by default in home partition, do you?
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18:11<abcd82>winsen1: well, you can move .Virtualbox folder to another partition, then adjust that folder in Vbox preferences
18:11<retrospectacus>I mean, installing things that pop into your head *uses* disk space, does not *free* it
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18:11<winsen1><abcd82>yes i see , i'll try , thank you very mutch
18:12<winsen1><abcd82>you're master
18:12<winsen1>thanks
18:13<winsen1><abcd82>but witch sys fat or NTFS?
18:13<pparadis>neither?
18:13<abcd82>winsen1: to big words for me, but thanks :)
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18:13<pparadis>this is a linux system, right?
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18:14<winsen1>ok i'll try either
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18:14<mercutio22>Hi... can anyone using squeeze use traceroute alright? I only get a lot of ***. I found this:http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436804
18:14<pparadis>winsen1: ext3
18:14<winsen1>ppradis>i don't have, only NTFS and FAT
18:15<pparadis>winsen1: i don't understand. what operating system are you running?
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18:16<pparadis>...
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18:17*pparadis slowly realizes he was, in fact, running virtualbox on windows and asking for help with it in #debian
18:17<amphi>windows has /home these days?
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18:18<retrospectacus>well he did say he has gnome, and was trying to access hidden directory
18:18<winsen>ppradis>i am usisng debian squeeze, but only one i have under ext4, + 2 partitions FAT + ntfs
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18:18<pparadis>ah, so the system is dual-booted?
18:18<winsen>yes it is
18:18<pparadis>amphi: good point. i was so confused.
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18:19<amphi>winsen: there's no reason you can't have vbox iso images on a fat or ntfs partition
18:19<pparadis>winsen: yeah, you should be able to put those files anywhere you want.
18:19<amphi>winsen: other than æsthetic, of course ;)
18:20<abcd82>fat32 4GB max file size
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18:21<winsen>pparadis>i've kept fat partition in order to share files for both sys linux and win
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18:22<winsen>amphi>sorry i didn't understand what do you mean by "asthetic",??
18:23<amphi>winsen: just a joke, pay no attention ;)
18:23<winsen>amphi>ok, np
18:23<winsen>thanks for all
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18:27<luca_>ciao posso chiedere qui un aiuto su debian?
18:28<rpetre>!it
18:28<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
18:28<luca_>grazie!
18:29<streuner_>prego
18:30<streuner_>luca_: just talk english here, and we might able to help you...
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18:34<luca_>hi i have audio stutter in debian squeeze, anybody can help me?
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18:38<streuner_>luca_: so sound doesnt work at all? is this a laptop?
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18:49<mi105>Hello!!!
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18:55<retrospectacus>mi105: hi
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18:57<mi105>any sysadmins here? :-D
18:57<retrospectacus>!ask
18:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:00<mi105>I m win admin but trying to learn debian?
19:01<retrospectacus>mi105: apparently yes. Did you have any actual question?
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19:04<amphi>mi105: the debian reference may be of use
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19:05<babilen>!reference
19:05<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
19:05<amphi>mi105: http://www.debian-administration.org/ has useful essays on various subjects
19:06<babilen>mi105: http://debiansystem.info/
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19:06<mi105>ok, ty
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19:06<babilen>mi105: And the whole bunch of documents linked from: http://www.debian.org/doc/
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19:08<babilen>mi105: If you have more specific question don't hesitate to pop in. But I guess the best way to learn Debian is to use it. It is just one install to a VM away and you can play with it, model multiple hosts, network setups, etc ...
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19:08<mi105>does linux has some certificate services?
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19:10<babilen>Well, you could get the LPIs and some of the more enterprisy ones like RHCE -- That being said, they are not important.
19:11<babilen>mi105: Learn and know your stuff and you'll get a job ;)
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19:12<deuxpi>although the LPI learning guides are usually not bad for new sysadmins
19:12<mi105>i know that, i think about certificate services, like role :P
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19:13<babilen>mi105: Eh, I might have misunderstood you. Could you elaborate?
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19:14<mi105>certificate services like windows role, certificate authority
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19:14<mi105>for encription
19:15<mi105>and identity
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19:15<babilen>Hmm, something like LDAP? I guess I'll have to check what that Microsoft technology does in order to be able to recommend an equivalent.
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19:16<mi105>ldap is equivalent active directory
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19:17<babilen>yes, exactly
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19:18<babilen>sorry, I am not familiar with microsoft windows technologies. You might have to wait for someone well versed in both :)
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19:20<mi105>do you have some certification?
19:20<mi105>i have one more exam for mcitp sa
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19:21<retrospectacus>"Active Directory" is microsoft's attempt at an LDAP implementation
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19:22<nevyn>retrospectacus: it's more than that.
19:22<nevyn>retrospectacus: it's also the DNS and kerberos bits as well.
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19:24<retrospectacus>indeed
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20:03<blackphp>hi all
20:03<blackphp>it's possible to get firefox 4 on squeeze¿
20:04<blackphp>(maybe I must remove iceweasel first?
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20:04<blackphp>Alam_Squeeze,
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20:05<blackphp>hi guy, it's possible to get firefox 4 on squeeze?
20:05<daemonkeeper>You can, of course, install your own binary of Firefox. I won't courage you to do so.
20:05<blackphp>xD
20:05<daemonkeeper>Officially, from Debian, there is no Iceweasel 4 yet, although there is a preliminary package in experimental.
20:06<blackphp>mmm only iceweasel 3.5 now?
20:06<daemonkeeper>For Squeeze 3.5 anyway.
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20:06<blackphp>ok, thanks:)
20:06<daemonkeeper>Wheezy/Sid will get 4.0 soon.
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20:06<pparadis>seems relevant --> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=61970
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20:08<craigevil>iceweasel: Installed: 4.0-3 Candidate: 4.0-3 its both fugly and buggy
20:11<pparadis>tbh, i'd probably just use the "official" FF binary.
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20:12<daemonkeeper>That's a bad idea.
20:12<pparadis>oh?
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20:13<pparadis>i must admit, while i run an awful lot of debian systems, it's been awhile since i've used it as a primary desktop.
20:14<daemonkeeper>You use Debian because of its package system. Official binaries from Mozilla won't integrate into the system, won't be tracked by apt, won't get security updates and backports. One could argue "but! but! but! Mozilla has its own upgrade system", but if you rely on that: Why use Debian at all?
20:14<pparadis>i mean sure, if you install it yourself apt can't take care of it for you.
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20:14<pparadis>daemonkeeper: i think we pressed "enter" at the same time there.
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20:15<pparadis>i spend a _lot_ of time convincing people that they really, really don't want to stray from the repos. however, i'm not going to say that if someone really wants something they shouldn't pursue an alternate means of obtaining it, provided they understand the ramifications of that.
20:16<pparadis>for a case involving a single application, i'm certainly not going to say "well don't use debian then."
20:17<daemonkeeper>What do you win? Its not, that Firefox wouldn't be available in Debian.
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20:18<pparadis>you win the ability to run it right now, if that happens to be your desire, instead of dealing with RC or worse grade stuff that may or may not even function properly. when that stuff settles down, sure, you'd probably be well advised to switch over to it instead. but the point is still that saying someone should ditch a distro over a single application is absurd.
20:19<craigevil>using Firefox from Mozilla works just fine, other than wanting to stick with iceweasel no real reason not to use Firefox
20:20<sney>at least running a browser out of your home directory doesn't have the potential to nuke your system the way other 3rd party stuff like the nvidia installer does
20:20<pparadis>there is that.
20:20<sney>and mozilla.debian.net will probably have a backport in a week or two anyway
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20:21<craigevil>sney, yeah thats how i do it, download firefox, extract, create a desktop shortcut, and you are good to go
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20:24<pparadis>reaching way back, i think the first time i touched a debian system, it was late 1998... that would be pre-official-apt according to wikipedia :)
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20:25<daemonkeeper>Once upon a time ...
20:25<pparadis>in a 486 far away...
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21:09<edbian>I made a new grub entry (grub2) by making a 15_arch file in /etc/grub.d/ but now i don't have that OS anymore and I want to remove the entry. How can I remove it from the menu? I tried changing it to X15_arch.bak and running sudo update-grub2 but it still shows up
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21:10<retrospectacus>edbian: rm it or move it out of that location?
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21:10<edbian>retrospectacus: I'll try. (is that more than just a guess?)
21:11<daemonkeeper>edbian: He's right
21:11<edbian>moved, testing now.
21:11<retrospectacus>well I don't believe the naming of those files have any effect
21:11<daemonkeeper>Looking in /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig you will see, all id does is for i in ${grub_mkconfig_dir}/* ; do ...
21:12<daemonkeeper>So retrospectacus is right, moving the file out of the directory is the only solution.
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21:12<edbian>retrospectacus: I thought they HAD to be of the form XY_name and they had to be executable. (where X and Y are both digits)
21:12<edbian>I believe you
21:12<edbian>Thanks
21:12<daemonkeeper>XY is for the oder.
21:12<daemonkeeper>*order
21:12<retrospectacus>they are not executed
21:13<daemonkeeper>That is, a file named 05_... is parsed before 10_...
21:14<edbian>Unrelated question. My system has been freezing frequently. I have diagnosed this thing before but I'd just like your opinions. It seems to freeze at random times. Sometimes after 10 hours and heavy use, sometimes after a few minutes of light use. It's a complete lock. The keyboard does nothing. The mouse doesn't move. The numlock doesn't change the light. I have to hard reset.
21:14<pparadis>anything in your logs?
21:14<SynrG>blocked fan? overheating processor? overheating GPU?
21:15<edbian>pparadis: What logs should I check? (there is no kerneloops applet thingy)
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21:15<pparadis>andthing in the syslog?
21:15<SynrG>if the whole system locks, in my experience, it tends to be hardware.
21:15<pparadis>anything, even
21:15<edbian>SynrG: I haven't looked into the case yet. That's my first thing to check.
21:16<SynrG>open the case, aim an external fan inside the case. run it that way for a while ... if the lockups go away, it's heating.
21:16<pparadis>sure, it sure sounds like hardware, but i'm always curious to see what shows up in the logs anyhow.
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21:16<SynrG>last time this happened to me it was the psu fan
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21:16<SynrG>there was no log evidence
21:16<pparadis>using RAID?
21:16<edbian>no raid
21:17<pparadis>the last time i had a serious lockup, it was RAID related.
21:17<edbian>nothing obvious / strange in dmesg except for a couple strange things at the end... I'll pastebin
21:17<retrospectacus>edbian: watch your CPU temp while it's on
21:17<edbian>retrospectacus: How can I? Is there an applet or package?
21:18<retrospectacus>I have an applet
21:18<edbian>http://pastebin.com/bUnc2j0L
21:18<pparadis>high CPU temp has typically resulted in instant poweroff for me, but i guess that's only on systems where the BIOS supports that.
21:18<edbian>retrospectacus: name?
21:19<retrospectacus>ahh in the "add to panel" list it is "Hardware Sensors Monitor"
21:19<abcd82>think i found a bug in cpufrequtils package, file /etc/init.d/loadcpufreq , line 52, think there needs to be a "cpuid" instead of: grep -E '^cpud[^:]+:' "$CPUINFO"
21:19<retrospectacus>edbian: I beleive you need to install "lm-sensors"
21:19<retrospectacus>s/belei/belie/
21:20<edbian>See the stuff at the end of my dmesg? I don't have an ntfs partition, or btrfs, or qnx4....
21:20<edbian>what is all that?
21:20<retrospectacus>edbian: apt-get install sensors-applet
21:20<edbian>retrospectacus: sensors-applet or lm-sensors
21:20<pparadis>edbian: perhaps related to vbox? i honestly don't know.
21:21<edbian>virtualbox, not running...
21:21<retrospectacus>edbian: those messages were generated by "os-prober" when you ran "update-grub2"
21:21<retrospectacus>it is from trying to mount drives and find OSs
21:21<edbian>So it's just guessing at filesystems? I don't have though...
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21:22<retrospectacus>I don't know the details of what it does but that is my idea and I get those messages as well, not using them FS
21:22<edbian>ok
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21:23<pparadis>hm, i don't have any of those.
21:23<retrospectacus>edbian: sorry I missed your earlier question.. sensors-applet is what u want. I think lm-sensors is a dep
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21:24<edbian>retrospectacus: It says No sensors found! I found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443724 but I don't know how to do sensor detection (or run lm-sensors)
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21:29<edbian>(it was sudo sensors-detect)
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21:32<edbian>retrospectacus: How did you figure out what sensor is what device? (I have one that is really volatile) 53, 26, 27, 27, -7, 25, 53, ...
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21:45<jgoppert>can anyone help with a serial flow control issue?
21:45<nutterpc>jgoppert, steelcap boot do?
21:45<nutterpc>=)
21:45<jgoppert>i tried that.... was my first thought :-)
21:46<nutterpc>throw it out the window?
21:46<nutterpc>another option
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21:46<nutterpc>serial, theres something u dont hear everyday
21:46<nutterpc>o.0
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21:47<nutterpc>whats ur machine doing?
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21:47<nutterpc>or not sdoing
21:47<nutterpc>doing*
21:47<retrospectacus>edbian: not sure. http://overdrive.polarcom.com/sensors-applet.png
21:47<jgoppert>its weird, have a qtapp and its using this qextserial lib to interface to termios, according to sttf its got flow control off, but some reason, if i run gtkterm, gtkterm set the port correctly and data outbound from the qt app starts flowing
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21:48<jgoppert>*stty
21:48<nutterpc>lol, tht is odd
21:48<edbian>retrospectacus: You have easier temperatures to guess than me :(. I have temp1, temp2, temp3 :)
21:48<jgoppert>speed 38400 baud; line = 0;
21:48<jgoppert>intr = <undef>; quit = <undef>; start = <undef>; stop = <undef>; susp = <undef>;
21:48<jgoppert>min = 1; time = 0;
21:48<jgoppert>ignbrk -brkint -icrnl -imaxbel
21:48<jgoppert>-opost -onlcr
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21:48<nutterpc>lol
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21:48<pparadis>oops
21:48<jgoppert>oops
21:49<jgoppert>:-)
21:49*nutterpc facepalms
21:49<pparadis><-- mindreader :D
21:49<jgoppert>http://paste.debian.net/112375/
21:49<nutterpc>jgoppert, tip, remember pastebin in future :P
21:49<jgoppert>yeah .. thought is was only a few lines.. :-P
21:50<nutterpc>thats what they all say
21:50<nutterpc>lol
21:50*nutterpc whistles innocently
21:50<jgoppert>whats even weirder is that the settings reported by stty are the exact same before and after
21:51<retrospectacus>edbian: just enable them all
21:51<retrospectacus>then delete anything that looks useless
21:52<edbian>retrospectacus: They're all on. I don't know what they correspond to. I think I have it nailed down for 2 of them though. The first one seems to move when I stress the system. (like putting gnome monitor on a .25 second refresh rate, or a simple python infinite loop). The last one is really volatile so I think it's the northbridge (it's has no heatsink / fan)
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21:53<jgoppert>do you guys have any ideas where i can find some debugging tools or something to diagnose this, its like the qtapp fails to open the port correctly for transmitting
21:53<edbian>Good news is nothing is going over 60 Celsius so I doubt the machine is overheating.
21:53<jgoppert>rx works fine
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22:15<vortek>Hey wers those online sites that tell you how to install debian on a dell xps laptop?
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22:16<Hydroxide>vortek: no idea which one you're referring to. You shouldn't need to do anything special to install Debian on most laptops these days.
22:16<Hydroxide>just the normal procedure works.
22:16<vortek>cool
22:16<Hydroxide>if there are issues, we can certainly help
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22:17<vortek>is there still an option to install via windows? or to intiate the install?
22:17<amphi>vortek: you think of http://goodbye-windows.com/ ?
22:18<vortek>thanxs ! :)
22:18<Hydroxide>amphi: that seems ancient - not touched since 2007. I think you want http;//goodbye-microsoft.com/ which links directly to http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.exe
22:18<Hydroxide>vortek: ^^^
22:19<Hydroxide>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/win32-loader.txt is the docs on that
22:19<amphi>Hydroxide: ah, thanks
22:19<vortek>I havent touched debian in over 7 years
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22:19<vortek>\whats win32 loader?
22:19<Hydroxide>vortek: take a look at the .txt file. it basically adds a "Debian installer" option to windows's own boot manager, and can be uninstalled via windows's usual uninstall control panel
22:20<Hydroxide>(not to uninstall debian itself, but to uninstall that boot option)
22:20<vortek>k
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22:23<Surenio>Hi!!
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22:24<chl501>anyone is using notion as their wm?
22:25<vortek>i \\\\anyone using compiz?
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22:27<tdrusk>Does anyone know why Samba printers wouldn't be listed in system-config-printer? http://imgur.com/G79sH
22:28<tsoliman>tdrusk: not sure what you mean by samba printers .. cups + samba
22:28<tsoliman>?
22:29<tdrusk>tsoliman: usually there is an option for windows printers
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22:29<tsoliman>tdrusk: what I mean is: is it a local printer? is it a printer on a windows machine? what's the layout?
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22:30<tdrusk>like so http://forums.debian.net/download/file.php?id=912
22:30<tdrusk>(sorry internet is flaky)
22:30<tsoliman>I see .. so it is a remote printer on a windows machine
22:31<tsoliman>I'm sorry I don't have that setup
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22:34<tsoliman>cups magically finds other printers and adds them for me
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22:35<tdrusk>must be nice
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22:35<tsoliman>it doesn't for you?
22:36<tsoliman>tdrusk: what machine is the printer on? I mean is it a windows machine?
22:36<vortek>k
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22:37<tdrusk>Well at work there is a networked printer running off a print server
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22:37<tdrusk>yes, a windows machine
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22:39<tsoliman>and I am assuming you have a laptop with debian on it and you want to print to that
22:39<tdrusk>tsoliman: if you just answered can you repeat it.
22:39<tsoliman>you can configure this in cups directly
22:39<tsoliman>and I am assuming you have a laptop with debian on it and you want to print to that
22:39<tdrusk>yes debian laptop to print to windows server
22:39<tsoliman>you can configure this in cups directly
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22:40<tsoliman>you basically add it in cups
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22:40<tsoliman>and your laptop will think it is a local printer
22:40<tsoliman>again leveraging the cups GUI which will then allow it to work for all local applications
22:43<tsoliman>the cups GUI is http://localhost:631/
22:43<tdrusk>yeah. I just don't know why it isn't showing up. I had a debian squeeze + kde install with system-config-printer and it was there. I feel like I am just missing a package.
22:44<tsoliman>I dont have system-config-printer
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22:44<tsoliman>if I go to http://localhost:631/admin/ and click "add printer" I am given an option to add a samba printer
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22:45<tsoliman>can you see if that even works?
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22:46<tsoliman>(I have a box with squeeze + kde and the one I am on now which is sid + kde and I am able to do that in both)
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22:47<tsoliman>tdrusk: also most print servers support IPP .. this is a cool alternative
22:48<tsoliman>I guess I am trying to fix the overall problem for you (printing at work) rather than focusing on the specific itch you have (getting that applet to show an option) :)
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22:49<tdrusk>haha sorry I'm just looking for future sake with other printers :)
22:49<HuanDi>anyone use nvidia coolbits to under/overclock?
22:50<HuanDi>or know anything about underclocking GPUs in ubuntu
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22:50<tsoliman>tdrusk: my experience is that if you add them with let's say gnome or kde, it is only available to gnome or kde apps .. if you add it with cups it is available as if it is a local printer :)
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22:59<tdrusk>gotcha gotcha
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23:17<edbian>For those of you that weren't in the room before when i first was in here. My system has been randomly freezing recently. I installed the lm-sensors packages (and the hardware sensor applet). I have 3 temp sensors. The 3rd is very volatile, (53, 57, 60, 24, 0, -1, 23, 23, 53, 30, 22, -1) what might this be?
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23:19<Arrowmaster>if its that volatile then i dont think the readings are accurate at all
23:19<edbian>Arrowmaster: It's a little exaggerated I suppose. To show the jump. But it does jump between 24 and 42 quite I bit. I snooped around the web and it seems you might see something more volatile from a passively cooled northbridge. (which I have). Is that not true?
23:20<Arrowmaster>what does lm-sensors identify that sensor as?
23:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 463] by debhelper
23:21<edbian>Arrowmaster: It just says 'temp3 Thermistor
23:22<Arrowmaster>it might not be connected to an actual sensor
23:22<edbian>Arrowmaster: They are all 'tempX' for what it's worth. I have temp1 Thermal Diode, temp2 thermistor, temp3 thermistor.
23:22<edbian>Arrowmaster: thoughts?
23:23<Arrowmaster>ah
23:23<Arrowmaster>can you pastebin the output from sensors
23:23<edbian>sure...
23:24<edbian>http://pastebin.com/M8Q1FUvM
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23:26<Arrowmaster>ok i would question the accuracy of lm-sensors output right now on your system
23:27<edbian>Arrowmaster: Thanks :)
23:28<Arrowmaster>the 10k RPM fan really sticks out as 'probably wrong'
23:28<edbian>What is your best guess as to what temp1, temp2 and temp3 are? (I thought temp1 is cpu and temp3 is northbridge.
23:28<edbian>Arrowmaster: Haha, yes my fan is not that fast :)
23:29<Arrowmaster>my guess would be temp1 is a sensor on the motherboard somewhere, temp2 is the cpu temp, and temp3 is probably the northbridge
23:30<Arrowmaster>if those were correct values, if they arent correct i have no clue what they could be
23:30<edbian>Arrowmaster: Since, temp1 is a diode doesn't that mean it is on the processor? I thought that was the purpose of that type of thermometer. Because it is 'right on the chip'
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23:31<Arrowmaster>oh yeah, temp1 would be the cpu
23:32<Arrowmaster>so the other two are probably sensors on the board in different spots
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23:34<edbian>Yes, thank you for your time :)
23:34<edbian>Have a good night!
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23:51<twb>Due to ca-certificates I can install my autonomous CA cert in /usr/local/share/ca-certicicates, and this works.
23:51<twb>But can I also do it per-user, in something like ~/.ssl/ ?
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