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---Logopened Thu Mar 31 00:00:05 2011
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00:00<flaccid>thats what i do
00:00<th_>rather than using update-grub
00:00<flaccid>but for this one build in eu-west-1 i have no idea why it failed
00:00<flaccid>i do it after the update-grub
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00:01<flaccid>might just have to audit that build and see if i can work out the logical error why it got overwritten again
00:02<th_>and the build is identical with another build in another region?
00:02<flaccid>19 passed, this is the only that failed and in my build script i echo out the menu.lst so i can be sure
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00:05<flaccid>with update-grub and the like, if yo have your own custom menu.lst in /boot/grub will it overwrite it if you don't use the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST stanzas?
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00:12<sney>flaccid: generally yes
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00:14<flaccid>hmmmm so if a linux-image update is available in repos and you install it, it will break your menu.lst, but not in this case when you are actually using an instance because the root device and kernel locations will be retained? sound right?
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00:15<sney>right-ish? back up your menu.lst before an update, migrate the changes as needed
00:15<flaccid>yeah but that defeats this whole automagic thing
00:15<flaccid>it retains it
00:16<flaccid>i wonder as a test, if i wipe the menu.lst then do a reinstall of the linux-image if it will re-create it properly
00:18<flaccid>rm /boot/grub/menu.lst && apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6-xen-686
00:18<flaccid>hmm thats probably not enough
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00:19<sney>mv /boot/grub/menu.lst ~/menu.lst.backup && touch /boot/grub/menu.lst && aptitute reinstall linux-image-`uname -r`
00:19<flaccid>okies thanks
00:19<sney>not tested
00:19<flaccid>but i'll try that
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00:21<joshua_>Hello all
00:21<flaccid>sney: i mean i am trying to be very um automagic/native here but i think thats important
00:22<sney>testing things to make sure they work under weird circumstances is important to the development process
00:22<th_>what about uninstalling grub
00:22<th_>since you'll overwrite the menu.lst
00:22<flaccid>grub needs to be installed apparently to boot from pv grub
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00:23<sney>using grub-legacy would be another way to accomodate your custom shit without messing with the automagic stanzas, since it's a much simpler setup
00:23<flaccid>thats what i use, grub-legacy
00:23<th_>well, my debian in ec2 works without grub
00:23<th_>pvgrub load my kernel
00:24<flaccid>so you use pvgrub without any installation of a grub package?
00:24<th_>no grub at all and yes, i need to maintain the menu.lst whenever i change the kernel
00:24<th_>no grub package at all
00:25<flaccid>thats what i thought, but in the user_specified_kernels.pdf doc from AWS: "When you create your AMI disk image, simply install the appropriate kernel and GRUB packages in your Linux operating system. Some Linux distributions have a specific EC2 kernel. If an EC2 kernel is indicated, you should install that kernel. More detail on the GRUB configuration is provided below."
00:26<th_>i must have missed that part...
00:26<th_>yet, here it is, working without grub package
00:26<flaccid>i didn't see why grub would be neeed
00:26<flaccid>far out...
00:27<flaccid>it says it again underneath that too heh
00:27<th_>the boot loader is pvgrub from ec2's xen
00:27<flaccid>so will the linux-image or any other packages want to manage the menu.lst without grub?
00:27<th_>from pvgrub, straight to your kernel
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00:28<th_>no, they won't
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00:28<flaccid>ahhh sweeet
00:28<th_>since all the do is calling update-grub
00:28<sney>managing the menu.lst is handled through update-grub, which is called by the ... yeah he's got it
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00:28<th_>with no grub, no update-grub, no automatically generated menu.lst
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00:29<flaccid>so there is no point trying to be cool and build and support the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST right?
00:29<flaccid>w00t :)
00:29<flaccid>sorry to repeat. man aws i knew you were wrong heh
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00:32<flaccid>so th_ and sney you guys know anything about how these xen kernels in ec2 always attach the block devices as xvd* ?
00:32<sney>not a thing
00:32<flaccid>i thought that was legacy and i fink we need a kernel patch to get em to support anything like how others do
00:32<flaccid>its something i have to research
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00:36<ayaka>I have install sun jdk ,but default-java need openjdk,I don't need it,what shall I do
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00:39<Appleseed>Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me out with the issue of replacing standard debian packages with newer releases. For example, I need to compile software using GCC 4.5 (which I'd rather use anyways) to avoid bugs involving the GCC 4.4.x releases that are included with Debian. After attempts to install GCC 4.5 I keep invoking 4.4.x whenever I type gcc at the shell. How can I ensure that invoking a program will get me the ve
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00:41<ayaka>Appleseed, aptitube hold packname
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00:43<Appleseed>ayaka: I'd rather learn how to do this without relying on a utility to do it for me through a mysterious command. I sometimes use other distributions that aren't based on Debian and would perfer to know how to work with shell paths or whatever the proper term is for them by hand than relying on a single program.
00:44<ayaka>Appleseed, for fedora not support here,but yum hold is the same
00:44<pparadis>Appleseed: are you really just asking "gcc" to point to whatever you want?
00:45<flaccid>hmmm for i686/i386 and xen, do i really need the bigmem kernel to do the bigmem or can the normal -xen kernel do the job?
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00:46<Appleseed>pparadis: that's about the sum of it, I suppose. The software Debian comes with often needs to be upgraded for my uses and trying to install things after removing Debian's version of it often winds up in me having to invoke programs manually from their folders.
00:46<pparadis>flaccid: if you're talking about a domU, i've been using the -pae version for 32-bit.
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00:46<pparadis>Appleseed: can you just make a symlink?
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00:47<ayaka>Appleseed, I'm sorry,I take wrong of your problem
00:47<flaccid>pparadis: yep. well im just not sure what is best the normal xen is fine for amd64 but for 32bit i don't know..
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00:47<flaccid>the normal xen kernel for 686 was fine but i don't know if that gives access to all the memory..
00:47<pparadis>yeah, -pae for 32-bit, 64-bit is whatever.
00:48<Appleseed>pparadis: I'm not sure if a symlink will be able to solve the issue. All I want to do is, for example, be able to type "gcc" anywhere to invoke it instead of having to go to the folder itself.
00:48<flaccid>ok great pparadis thank you i'll test it out
00:48<pparadis>flaccid: np!
00:48<pparadis>Appleseed: that's why i'm saying just symlink gcc to whatever gcc binary you want to use.
00:49<flaccid>pparadis: i don't see it§ion=all
00:49<pparadis>hang on just a sec
00:49<Appleseed>Oh, then I'm thinking of the wrong thing then. How do I create a symlink?
00:49<ayaka>well,I have a problem frostwire need default-java,but it use openjdk,but I use sun-java
00:49<ayaka>Appleseed, ln -s
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00:50<pparadis>flaccid: the kernel is probably just "linux-virtual"
00:50<Appleseed>Thanks, pparadis and ayaka.
00:50<ayaka>Appleseed, you're welcome
00:50<pparadis>flaccid: lemme look real quick.
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00:53<pparadis>flaccid: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem does actually appear to be what you want... i think i was thinking of a system i touched recently that was running ubuntu.
00:53<flaccid>yep virtual is ubuntu
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00:53<flaccid>thanks again. feeling much better about this now
00:53*pparadis mutters something about "toooo manyyyy serveeeeers"
00:54<flaccid>tell me about it!
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00:59<brohelm>what is this channel even for? general chat or is that for #debian-offtopic?
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01:03<brohelm>or is it to trade pokemon cards?
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01:06<nkadun>iodine-131 has been detected along the coast of China
01:07<brohelm>I like how everyone is all of a sudden an expert on radiation now
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01:09<brohelm>radiation is good for you anyway
01:10<nkadun>'cause my city is so near to Japan...
01:10<flaccid>in menu.lst and the kernel line, always use ro ? what does it mean in real terms?
01:10<nkadun>yeah, radiation makes us stronger, higher, etc...
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01:17<brohelm>vitamin r
01:19<ayaka>nkadun, you are chinese?
01:20<nkadun>ayaka: you too?
01:20<ayaka>nkadun, of course
01:20<nkadun>ayaka: 两眼泪汪汪啊
01:21<ayaka>nkadun, ok,but I think we shouldn't speak english here
01:21<nkadun>ayaka: roger that~
01:21<kop>flaccid: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz (after installing the linux-doc package)
01:21<flaccid>oh sweet thanks
01:22<kop>flaccid: It means the root filesystem will be mounted read-only when the kernel first mounts it during boot.
01:22<ayaka>nkadun, roger?what does it mean?My english is so poor
01:22<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
01:22<flaccid>kop: which is good practice right?
01:22<pparadis>ayaka: it means "okay, i understand" :)
01:22<ayaka>pparadis, a chinese too,well chinese is too much
01:23<kop>flaccid: Well, it lets you fsck the root fs. Which is sometimes necessary.
01:23<ayaka>pparadis, nkadun why not go to off topic and talk
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01:24*pparadis will mosey over to debian-offtopic as soon as even 1% of his IRC logs for #debian are actually offtopic in any given 24 hour period.
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01:25<kop>flaccid: See the reference guide or man inittab and read the startup code from there.
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01:31<luis>hello everyone good evening, i like to ask if someone knows why is it that i can't delete a file from trash even when i am using: "rm -rf" and how can i force that file to be gone, help please
01:32<pparadis>are you root?
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01:32<pparadis>also, what do you mean by trash?
01:32<pparadis>what file are you trying to delete?
01:32<luis>the file is in the trash and i like to clean up trash bin but that file won't go away
01:33<pparadis>do you see the filename when you do "lsof | grep filename"
01:33<luis>let me see
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01:33<jm_>what does rm say?
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01:34<luis>rm won't say anything
01:35<ayaka>pparadis, chattr -i file cna't del
01:35<jm_>well if rm doesn't say anything then it worked
01:35<luis>i did it this way and what i get:
01:36<luis>luis@Mario-Luis:~$ rm -rf trash:/0-supertux-0.3.3
01:36<pparadis>right, is the file still actually there luis?
01:36<pparadis>as ayaka is pointing out, is the immutable bit set?
01:36<luis>yes i can see it iin the trash
01:36<pparadis>(i always forget about chattr)
01:36<luis>and the problem is that if i click on it to drag it is freezes my pc
01:36<ayaka>pparadis, not stick,that is chattr
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01:36<jm_>well -f doesn't show you No such file or directory, that's why
01:36<jm_>you're specifying wrong fileanme
01:36<pparadis>ayaka: right, "immutable
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01:37<luis>n the file is slowing down my pc to the point when my pc freezes
01:38<ayaka>pparadis, oh,I see I learn a new word thank you
01:38<pparadis>ayaka: :)
01:38<pparadis>luis: a file's mere existence shouldn't be slowing anything down.
01:38<luis>well is happening
01:38<pparadis>i absolutely _hate_ to suggest this, but have you tried either logging out of X and back in, or rebooting?
01:40<luis>so how can i me? yes several times specially because if i drag it top terminal like this: "<luis> luis@Mario-Luis:~$ rm -rf trash:/0-supertux-0.3.3" that is enough to freeze my pc then i can't do anything and i have to press power button to restart my pc
01:40<chl501>Does notion (forked from ion3) has workspaces which similar to virtual desktop in gnome?
01:40<th_>flaccid, yes, xen block dev always shows up as xvd*, always use their UUID if you need to refer to them
01:40<th_>who knows what will happen next
01:40<flaccid>th_: how do other kernels such as the amazon and ubuntu ones do attachments to an arbitrary device then and it works ?
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01:41<pparadis>flaccid: are you booting using pv-grub or pygrub?
01:41<luis>so is there any way to force that file to be erase from trash bin?
01:41<flaccid>pparadis: pvgrub on ec2
01:42<th_>pardon me, i don't understand your question
01:42<luis>my question?
01:42<pparadis>flaccid: i know it sounds nutty, but try referring to it as sda in your menu.lst
01:42<flaccid>i use xvda in my menu.lst
01:42<flaccid>sda wouldn't work
01:43<pparadis>flaccid: (i've recently noted the need to refer to what otherwise should have have xvda as sda with a couple of different situations)
01:43<pparadis>s/have/have been/
01:43<flaccid>its slightly weird considering the only other time you refer to xvd* is windows in xen
01:44<th_>my menu.lst in ec2 uses root=UUID=
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01:46<flaccid>th_: wow cool. i guess i could just get that from a doing a file foo.img in my builder right?
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01:47<th_>i think tune2fs -l can tell you the UUID
01:48<jm_>or blkid
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01:48<RARP>monkeys riding rams now thats funny!
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01:50<th_>ah yes, as jm_ says, blkid is the right tool
01:50<brohelm>what do you guys think of my research?
01:52<luis>so does anyone knows how can i delete that file?
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01:53<th_>luis, do you use GNOME?
01:54<kiubano>about how long have you guys use linux for??
01:54<pparadis>since about 1998.
01:54<luis>what do you mean?
01:55<luis>you mean since when?
01:55<kiubano>yea, since when
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01:55<luis>i am new like a month or so
01:55<kiubano>98?? nice
01:55<th_>is it okay to delete all files in your trash?
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01:55<th_>if yes, rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/
01:56<kiubano>oh, i have had it for about a year of so but i had to jump off of it because i didnt have time to configure it with school
01:56<luis>th. i like to delete it
01:56<luis>i see
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01:56<luis>let me see
01:56<th_>or perhaps sudo rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/
01:56<kasion>since 2007
01:57<kiubano>do you guys ever run into trouble when you go into a site to watch a video ?? e.g youtube? and the browser is not compatible?
01:57<luis>ok with the first command i got this:
01:57<kiubano>07?? cool cool, i can learn some stuff here then hehe
01:58<th_>it means, you need the second command
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01:59<luis>the second try did nothing and i still have the file in the trash bin :
01:59<luis>root@Mario-Luis:/home/luis# rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/
02:00<pparadis>did you use sudo?
02:00<luis>let me see
02:00<jm_>you are running rm as root so it deletes root's .local/share/Trash, not your user's
02:00<pparadis>i swear i asked about whether you did it as root when you first asked about this, perhaps i should have explicitly asked whether you used "sudo"
02:01<pparadis>right, although there's nothing stopping root from explicitly deleting any path.
02:01<jm_>if you specify the right path ...
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02:01*pparadis goes "duhhhhh" after missing the "root@" above :)
02:01<luis>thank you very much pparadis
02:01<luis>it worked with sudo
02:01<pparadis>thank th_
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02:02<luis>right thank you also th very much
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02:05<brohelm>which one of you did this:
02:05<th_>supertux reminds me of mario
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02:05<luis>i know
02:06<luis>i like it and i try to install it but it didn't work
02:06<th_>i'm glad that debian has sooooo much games in the repo
02:06<th_>you can install it from the debian repository
02:06<th_>no need to download and compile it by yourself
02:07<luis>but it won't work properly
02:07<luis>like to run and jump higher won't work
02:07<th_>let me try
02:07<pparadis> <-- looks like fun :)
02:07<th_>since supertux is in main
02:08<th_>consider submitting bug report
02:08<luis>and also if you want to go back it won't allow
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02:08<luis>just allow to go back on what you see ini the screen
02:09<th_>uh, i don't think that counts as "not working properly"
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02:11<brohelm>where are my french fries?
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02:16<brohelm>someone try to explain this:
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02:29<brohelm>i assume everyone here loves the GIFs I've been linking to
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02:35<nkadun>oh, my...
02:35<ompaul>brohelm: what has that to do with Debian?
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02:37<ompaul>if your an idiot maybe
02:38<brohelm>no u
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02:42<vagvaf>hello people, did any of you have any problems with the recent update?
02:43<ompaul>!ops dispose of brohelm please
02:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ompaul complains about: dispose of brohelm please
02:43<nkadun>not yet
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02:43<ompaul>vagvaf: no, what did you have in mind
02:43<ompaul>brohelm: sometimes it gets done :)
02:44<brohelm>you can just ask me to not post them anymore
02:44<brohelm>no need to get emo lol
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02:44<ompaul>vagvaf: no, what did you have in mind
02:44<vagvaf>i just upgraded (debian testing) and half the applications dissapeared from the menu, the icons have changed or are missing, and wehn i restarted X does not start
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02:46<ompaul>vagvaf: testing is just that, did you dist-upgrade (I have sid and stable no testing boxes yet)
02:46<ompaul>vagvaf: or just upgrade?
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02:47<vagvaf>prolly dist-upgrade
02:48<ompaul>vagvaf: or just upgrade?
02:48<ompaul>vagvaf: woops :) do a du first please
02:48<ompaul>to be sure
02:49<ompaul>and remember if you see it removing half the planet make sure it is also installing replacements in new or updates
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02:49<vagvaf>hehe right now i log in the terminal, where i have to set up my wireless and everyhting to do that, i'm using a different laptop
02:50<ompaul>vagvaf: you can expect that kind of behaviour from testing now and again - always read the removing list before you get into d-u
02:50<vagvaf>anyway, i was wondering if anybody else is facing the same weird situation...i mean in the accessories sub-menu everything was gone but virtualbox
02:50<ompaul>vagvaf: and the other thing that can happen is that mirrors get out of sync
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02:50<ompaul>vagvaf: so you come back in about 12 hours and it all gets fixed as if by magic
02:51<vagvaf>hehe i hope so
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02:52<ompaul>vagvaf: if you want to run testing you might consider having a smallish vm which you upgrade first so that nothing critical ... email web irc breaks badly before you upgrade the box (doesn't stop crazy stuff altogether but it tends to be a good judge)
02:53<ompaul>you can't blame debian for you running testing ;-) hunger for newer apps will cut you up now and again, they don't call it bleeding edge software for nothing
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03:26*nevyn scoffs sif testing's bleeding edge.
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03:29<RARP>is debian running out of release names?
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03:32<cannesahs>hmm... is there way to load grub-legacy's stage1 with grub2 mbr?
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03:40<fiku>just wanna say hi
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03:46<Megaf>Hi fiku
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03:46<Megaf>Folks, I'd like the command echo -n disk > /sys/power/state to be executed when I press the power button, how to do this?
03:47<Megaf>theres no, no GNOME
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04:03<jm_>Megaf: power button on keyboard or case?
04:04<Megaf>jm_, case
04:04<jm_>Megaf: install acpid, edit its config files
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04:05<Megaf>fiku, you mean, /etc/acpi/
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04:06<Megaf>you mean /etc/acpi/
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04:07<Megaf>do I need to restart anything to make it work?
04:07<Megaf>like, acpid?
04:07<simonlnu>probably acpid
04:11<fralle>somebody knows how i can figure out the printer ip with lpinfo ?
04:11<fralle>lpinfo -v <- shows me printers
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04:11<fralle>but no ips...
04:11<fralle>or only ips
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04:12<fralle>network dnssd://RDV38FB65%20(A0DDE538FB65)-3._ipp._tcp.local/ < -lpinfo output
04:12<fralle>how do i obtain that printers ip? :)
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04:24<rovanion>How safe would you say that Debian testing is for home use as a desktop?
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04:29<home-alone>Hi. I want to install a calculator and a typing tutor
04:30<chealer>rovanion: it's safe if you know Debian and have backups (as you should anyway)
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04:31<jww_>home-alone: home-alone debian come with 'bc' it's what I use as calculator.
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04:32<home-alone>I am looking for gui calculator
04:33<jww_>which desktop manager do you use ?
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04:33<home-alone>I am using default gnome
04:34<jww_>I believe gnome provide something like that.
04:34<home-alone>No there is not a calculator
04:35<jww_>there is a gnome one called gcalctool it seems.
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04:40<SynrG>home-alone: how did you install gnome? the gnome metpackage depends on gnome-desktop-environment, which depends on gcalctool, so you should definitely have it.
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04:41<home-alone>I installed gnome as daefalt DE from Debian 6 CD 1
04:41<jww_>hi SynrG .
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04:42<jww_>home-alone: just type apt-get install gcalctool as root.
04:42<home-alone>@jww- thank you gcalctool is the one I am looking for
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04:43<home-alone>I have installed it and it is working fine
04:44<SynrG>er, then i don't understand how you could have installed gnome :/ unless somehow you removed some stuff afterwards
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04:45<SynrG>or are you saying you had it installed all along but overlooked it?
04:45<SynrG>jww_: morning
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04:46<home-alone>I did not have it . I never removed it either
04:47<jww_>SynrG: maybe he didn't pulled gnome-desktop-environement, but some other package.
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04:49<SynrG>home-alone: dpkg -l 'gnome-*' | grep ^ii
04:49<SynrG>and pastebin that
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04:49<SynrG>jww_: the tasksel gnome-desktop task includes gnome-desktop-environment, so i am not sure how
04:50<home-alone>well thank you anyway . I am new user and I cant install any DE than default
04:50<SynrG>home-alone: i asked you for some information
04:50<SynrG>i don't think you have "the default" desktop
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04:51<SynrG>(which varies depending on which CD-1 disk you installed from btw)
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04:51<home-alone>ok i provide you . as soon i finish installling a package
04:52<home-alone>I am a power windows user and an IT super visor in my firm . excuse me foe seeming a noob
04:54<jww_>it's one the nicest sentence I ever heard for an IT supervisor using windows.
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04:55<home-alone>i hope you are not sarcastic
04:56<jww_>I'm not.
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04:57<SynrG>home-alone: anyway, my continued inquiry is because the missing gcalctool may be indicative of a larger problem, which if we solve now, will save us support time later
04:58<home-alone>I have already installed calculator by apt-get install
04:58<home-alone>oh sorry I misread ur post i think
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05:03<SynrG>home-alone: i want you to type: dpkg -l 'gnome-*' | grep ^ii
05:03<SynrG>and pastebin the output
05:03<SynrG>you seem to be missing quite a bit of gnome
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05:04<home-alone>please follow the link
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05:06<SynrG>home-alone: i guess you only installed gnome-core
05:06<SynrG>the other packages there look like dependencies of gnome-core
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05:06<SynrG>that's a minimal gnome enviornment, missing a fair amount of stuff. there's nothing wrong with that, per se ...
05:07<SynrG>but you should at least be aware that this is what you have
05:07<home-alone>I think its good as I plain to install Debian 6 on fairly old hardware
05:08<SynrG>for your own information, apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment and look at "Depends" and "Recommends"
05:08<SynrG>that's what you're missing
05:08<Arrowmaster>if its really old hardware you might not want to use gnome or kde
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05:09<SynrG>where "really old" == PII or older and tiny ram
05:09<SynrG>128M or less, i'd say
05:09<SynrG>well, 256M or less these days :)
05:09<meglaw>i recomend xmonad for a minimal X frontend
05:10<meglaw>for boxes with low mem
05:10<home-alone>right now I am typing these lines with a Pentium III 1 ghz with only 256 ram and I dont see any problem with it . as I dont intend to install any bloatware
05:10<SynrG>if it's merely old (PIII, 1 Ghz) then gnome works fine
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05:10<meglaw>ah thats plenty
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05:12<home-alone>my firm is designing PCs for 3rd world a country . and we have 70$ per PC
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05:18<jm_>and you can only manage to build P3 for $70?
05:19<meglaw>i guess thats shippin cost
05:19<meglaw>so thay rather rake laptops then fulltowers with alot of air
05:19<meglaw>thats thow those thirdworld computershipping thing iv been involved with reasond anyway
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05:22<home-alone>we are shipping free PCs to schools . Linux is the OS we are looking for . and Debian is the right choice
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05:22<meglaw>i agree
05:23<meglaw>FOSS is
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05:23<home-alone>No I am split between Open office and Libre Office
05:24<meglaw>so pack em both in
05:24<home-alone>not it wil only bloat
05:24<meglaw>i´d go with oo then, its a bit stupid nowadays but way capable.
05:25<jm_>libre is the future so better make them familiar with it now
05:25<meglaw>jm_ does make a good point
05:25<meglaw>i stand down and agrees
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05:26<home-alone>I want to go with FOSS only . I dont want to go for oracle owned suite
05:27<home-alone>and secondly I wonder how childeren with no previous computing knowledge will adopt Linux
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05:27<jm_>libreoffice is FOSS one
05:27<jww_>children with no computer knowledge are MORE likely to choose like linux.
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05:31<home-alone>yes its like mother tongue , I have suggested about Debian but I have only basic knowledge about it (and Linux in general) and I am realying heavily on Debian community
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05:32<SynrG>i thought the libreoffice/openoffice fork was not so much along the lines of FOSS/non-FOSS as community-owned/company-owned
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05:32<home-alone>I will go for OO for the time being
05:32<SynrG>with openoffice there is copyright assignment, but the code remains under FOSS license, does it not? (though there is the *threat* of possible future relicensing with copyright assignment)
05:34<themill>SynrG: it has to be multi-licenced and can't just be GPLd. Debian has been including a patch stack from for many years that OOo upstream just refuses to incorporate because it's GPL-only licenced.
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05:34<themill>,info --release squeeze
05:34<judd>Package (editors, optional) in squeeze/i386: office productivity suite. Version: 1:3.2.1-11+squeeze2; Size: 1431.0k; Installed: 1572k; Homepage:
05:34<SynrG>themill: right. so the problem is differing notions of what "freedom" really means
05:35<themill>^^ to the extent that the Homepage field even points in that direction.
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05:36<themill>SynrG: sort of... it's the BSD vs GPL argument in a slightly different form. Sun wanted a licence (CDDL, I think they were using) that allows them to do whatever they want with the code. It's the difference between freedom for the developer (to do what they want with the source code) and freedom for the user (to actually get the source code).
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05:37*SynrG nods
05:38<home-alone>Thank you . I may need your help in future . bye
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05:47<flaccid>oooo are we up to 6.01 already?
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05:48<dpkg>Debian 6.0.1 was released on March 19th, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for installation on additional hardware is introduced. . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. See also <6.0.1a>.
05:49<flaccid>thank you kindly
05:49<babilen>No problem :)
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05:49<flaccid>seems that chroot can work ok for lsb_release which is good...
05:50<flaccid>i.e. a debootstrap target dir
05:50<flaccid>lsb_release -sr is quite handy
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05:52<flaccid>debian just sticks to lsb_release instead of some static file like /etc/release ?
05:53<babilen>there is /etc/debian_version -- but what are you looking for?
05:54<flaccid>ah i see. ah just the version/release metadata. in the paste lsb_release wasn't alway reliable for chroot
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05:54<flaccid>ah actually, it wasn't that. it was arch
05:54<classical>hello can someone please answer with this question: If we let socks access existing LDAP, will all users get access to socks? Can we restrict who gets access ?
05:54<flaccid>would always use the host system arch. is there some way to chroot a deboostrap target dir to get its arch?
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05:55<babilen>dpkg --print-architecture gives you that
05:55<dpkg>babilen: are you smoking crack?
05:55<babilen>dpkg: No, I am not :)
05:55<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, babilen
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05:57<classical>what socks5 proxy server would you recommend me to install ?
05:57<flaccid>awesome thanks
05:58<babilen>flaccid: Have a nice day!
05:58<flaccid>its 9pm, but i'll try :)
05:58<babilen>flaccid: hehe, good night in that case. :)
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06:04<petemc>this is compulsive viewing
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06:06<babilen>petemc: Neither appropriate nor family friendly ... please keep it to -ot :)
06:06<petemc>fuck, wrong channel
06:06<petemc>my windows have moved
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06:13<babilen>I also like "compulsive" vs "compulsary"
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06:31<cannesahs>is there some package giving more already build kernel modules?
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06:43<cannesahs>found packages. not module. building myself.
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07:22<deux>hi everyone, i want to install a minimum debian, but am not sure what i need to install to have a working desktop-environment
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07:22<deux>anyone has a guide - how to go from basic (almost nothing installed but bare essentials) to working desktop?
07:22<jm_>which desktop?
07:22<deux>i'd like gnome i guess
07:22<babilen>deux: well, "minimal" and "working desktop environment" are somewhat on opposite sides of the scale, don't you think?
07:22<jm_>!install gnome
07:22<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
07:23<babilen>deux: But if you want gnome, I would start with "gnome-session" and take it from there. You also need Xorg
07:23<babilen>!install x
07:23<dpkg>To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>.
07:23<deux>so just install xorg and gnome-session? cause i've done that and after restartx the computer restarted
07:23<jm_>whether dpkg qualifies as anyone - I don't know
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07:35<classical>i have just received mail from debian security advisor about bind9 security vuln
07:35<classical>i have bind 9.3.4 on debian 4.0 etch
07:36<classical>is this vulnerable too ?
07:36<ansgar>classical: Etch is no longer supported. There haven't been security updates for it since over a year.
07:36<deux>ok, so i have been trying this on my virtual box (cause i'm not ready to kill my comp yet) - after installing xorg and gnome-session i try to startx and the machine crashes
07:36<deux>any ideas?
07:37<ansgar>classical: You should upgrade at least to Lenny, even better would be to upgrade to Squeeze right after that.
07:37<classical>ansgar, from etch to squeeze seems very risky
07:38<ansgar>classical: Etch → Lenny and then Lenny → Squeeze.
07:39<deux>am i missing some packages?
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07:42<classical>by sending a query at the time of (1)
07:42<classical>what this means ?
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07:43<ansgar>classical: There are two ways to trigger it.
07:43<jm_>while one of those two things are going on
07:43<jm_>so sending query while ...
07:45<classical>can i do this via dig
07:45<classical>i just want to ensure
07:45<jm_>if you have to ask the answer is no
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07:45<babilen>classical: No, you want to ensure that you upgrade your system. There are a lot of security fixes you missed
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07:46<classical> 15:46:04 up 928 days, 6:19,
07:46<classical>uptime is more than 2 years
07:46<classical>so i afraid it will have some problems
07:46<babilen>I don't quite see the implications of that
07:46<classical>during upgrade
07:47<babilen>You *have* to upgrade. The process is detailed in the release notes for lenny and squeeze respectively. -- /msg dpkg lenny release notes -- /msg dpkg squeeze release notes
07:47<babilen>Are you running any services?
07:48<classical>babilen, what services do you mean ? :)
07:48<babilen>classical: do you run a DNS, database, web server, .... etc
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07:49<classical>there is dns and mail server only :)
07:50<babilen>sendmail? hehe :)
07:50<classical>what ?
07:50<classical>is this vulnerable too ? :-D
07:50<themill>.o0( where could it go wrong? )
07:50<babilen>Well, its one of the older MTAs ... *I* would prefer exim4 or postfix
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07:51<babilen>classical: But please do yourself and the rest of the internet the favour to upgrade your system to *at least* lenny.
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07:52<babilen>classical: You might be interested in
07:53<deux>i really could use help with gui problem, can't find an answer online
07:53<classical>thanks all
07:54<classical>this server was configured and build by different sys admin
07:55<babilen>classical: Good luck with the upgrade :)
07:55<jm_>deux: your VM crashes?
07:55<classical>babilen, thanks :)
07:56<jm_>then you need to talk to whoever can support your VM
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07:56<jm_>alternatively try installing virtualbox guest additions for linux in VM
07:56<deux>ok, so just a theoretical question - if i have nothing on the comp - i install xorg and gnome-session and it would start?
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07:57<jm_>startx would start it yes - at least if it's a default session manager
07:57<deux>ok then, will try on real com[
07:57<deux>thanks guts
07:57<deux>guys, my writing is screwed today
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08:02<meglaw>how do i make install do a dir
08:02<tuhin>hi all , first time in debian irc, which channel is for LXDE Debian Live iso
08:03<meglaw>like make install /to/this/place
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08:03<jm_>meglaw: install -d or mkdir -p
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08:04<tuhin>which channel is for LXDE Debian ?
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08:05<meglaw>just got a load of Rejecting impossible implicit prerequisite `/home/meglaw/eggdrop2/.mod'.
08:05<meglaw>sorry but thats not enough to pastebin is it
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08:06<babilen>!tell tuhin about debian live
08:06<tuhin>babilen: i m in that irc too
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08:07<babilen>tuhin: That is correct channel for discussion of Debian Live
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08:08<rovanion>Why is the default apache2 folder to serve /var/www and not /srv/www. It seems to me like that is what /srv is meant to be used for
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08:09<flaccid>rovanion: man hier
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08:14<rovanion>flaccid, Yes, it seems to make sense to have www data in /srv after reading the manual
08:14<flaccid>which manual?
08:14<flaccid>hmm that is true. unfortunately i don't know why
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08:16<babilen>rovanion: You might want to read
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08:18<glupek>identify glupek
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08:19<babilen>rovanion: As well as
08:19<glupek>IDENTIFY glupek
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08:19<babilen>glupek: SYNTAX ERROR: Missing password
08:19<glupek>IDENTIFY glupek manu1878
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08:19<babilen>glupek: You want to "/msg nickserv help identify"
08:20<babilen>glupek: Sorry, shouldn't have done that. I sincerely apologise and would recommend to change your password ASAP
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08:20<babilen>glupek: This is the public #debian channel and you typically identify to nickserv
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08:22<babilen>glupek: I would also *strongly* recommend to use a stronger password than the one you were previously using
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08:22<jww_>this is going right to
08:22<glupek>identify manu1878
08:23<jww_>time to get serious.
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08:24<glupek>yedee de.
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08:24<tuhin>downloaded debian-live-6.0.1-i386-lxde-desktop.iso , how do i update it to 6.01a using jigdo? got confused seeing
08:25<glupek>I feel kinda bad doing this...
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08:25<babilen>Please stop!
08:25<Guest725> lol
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08:27<Rovanion>That was fun :P
08:27<Rovanion>Guest724, You should change your password
08:28<tuhin>downloaded debian-live-6.0.1-i386-lxde-desktop.iso , how do i update it to 6.01a using jigdo? got confused seeing
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08:29<tuhin>took days to download 6.01, now i see 6.01a :|
08:29<Rovanion>tuhin, I would just install 6.01 and then update it
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08:29<tuhin>i thought jigdo can update my iso
08:30<tuhin>coz i m on slow connection+ limited bandwidth
08:30<Rovanion>tuhin, Oh, that is possible. I would have no idea.
08:30<tuhin>dont want to update all my pcs
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08:31<tuhin>which files i should get from ???
08:31<tuhin>i have this iso >>>debian-live-6.0.1-i386-lxde-desktop.iso
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08:32<gsimmons>tuhin: Don't confuse the live images with installation media. TTBOMK live images were not affected (also, jigdo files for live images are not available).
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08:33<dpkg>rumour has it, ttbomk is to the best of my knowledge
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08:36<tuhin>so , i want the iso to boot from my usb which already have grub installed and have couple of other linux which i boot live, what grub options should i set for debian live lxde iso?
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08:36<meglaw> dammit
08:37<meglaw>i just used aptitude to like select x11 packages and it broke apache and stuff. :(
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08:41<meglaw>retard aptitude.
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08:42<glupek>did you have good fun?
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08:43<jww_>glupek: hell yea, thanks.
08:43<glupek>: )
08:43<glupek>so now maybe somebody would help me
08:43<glupek>where should I talk to ask about managing startup applications?
08:44<jww_>just ask your question here, without any passwords :)
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08:45<glupek>I installed debian like... 4 days ago
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08:46<glupek>and yesterday I looked on system monitor (I don't know how is it called in english - I have polish language set as I am from Poland) and there's this tab PROCESSES, where there are displayed active processes
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08:47<glupek>and there are some that I don't know and some that I am sure I won't use (like BLUETOOTH APPLET for example)
08:47<glupek>how can I manage which applications are run at startup?
08:47<jm_>glupek: man update-rc.d
08:48<Guest726>hi, I've got an issue rebooting a server after upgrading to squeeze, it boots ok with old kernel 2.6.26-bpo.1-486 but not with 2.6.32-5-486, which complains about devices not existing in /dev/mapper/ and /dev/tty1 not existing either. It's using 2 disks in raid1 (md array) and lvm2 partitions. Does someone has an idea ? I've been looking on the internet for half a day :/
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08:52<nevyn>glupek: they're infrastructure to make all the gui stuff work
08:52<jm_>glupek: note that that only applies to daemons - applets are more like gnome stuff, so someone else shall help you with that
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08:54<Kyoshiro`>any idea for my /dev issue ? ^^'
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08:54<jm_>Kyoshiro`: compare kernel messages for both kernels - you get a rescue prompt, don't you?
08:54<Kyoshiro`>nop :/
08:54<Kyoshiro`>it can't find /dev/tty1
08:55<Kyoshiro`>if I boot with init=/bin/bash it's ok, I have a shell
08:55<Kyoshiro`>but if I let it boot or ask for init level 1 it says it can"t find /dev/tty1
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08:56<Kyoshiro`>nor /dev/mapper/vgsys-lvroot and other devices
08:56<jm_>there are also some other options that can help, i.e. rootdelay - this can be handy for MD/DM/LVM/whatever based setups
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08:56<Kyoshiro`>a kernel command line option ?
08:56<Kyoshiro`>in fact I don't understand why it works with an older kernel
08:56<jm_>yes, also verify that your initramfs image is of similar size; any particular reason you're using -486 kernel?
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08:57<Kyoshiro`>I should use 686 you're right !
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08:57<jm_>i'll have to run now, so wait for someone else to help you I guess
08:58<Kyoshiro`>hmm btw, the bigmem is for 4G+ ?
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09:01<Kyoshiro`>ok, 686 is not any better :/
09:01<gribozavr>changelogs for packages in unstable are not available on anyone knows why?
09:02<Kyoshiro`>the first error is : mount point /sys/fs/fuse/connections does not exist
09:02<Kyoshiro`>and then it complains for every mount point the /dev/... does not exist
09:02<meglaw>it broke my forum. :(
09:02<meglaw>i donno whats wrong. :(
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09:07<Kyoshiro`>I tried with nomodeset to see what was hapenning before, and I've got a "md0: unknown partition table"....
09:07<Kyoshiro`>it's LVM2...
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09:08<Kyoshiro`>I don't know if it's relevant for my boot issue, since then it says EXT3 and mounted filesystem
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09:09<meglaw>i wanna move to openbsd now
09:09<meglaw>damn aptitude
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09:11<zee>I have an issue with layer 7 and debian kernel
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09:12<zee>I need to compile layer 7 to kernel
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09:22<babilen>meglaw: You might want to keep in mind that aptitude does not do anything which you did not tell it to do. Apart from that, there is typically a good reason for the behaviour you encountered and you might want to figure out what the underlying problem was.
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09:22<babilen>meglaw: There is also not much we can do without more information. If you want to move to OpenBSD I wish you good luck with your migration.
09:24<Kyoshiro`>ok, before "setting kernel variables" /dev is full, after "mouting local filesystems" line /dev is empty
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09:24<meglaw>it just always acts wierd compared to apt-get
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09:25<sney>meglaw: it's supposed to be 'smarter' than apt-get... but if you prefer apt-get, you can always just use apt-get. it hasn't been removed and so far there are no plans to
09:26<meglaw>yeah yeah i know all you say its true, logs dont lie etc
09:26<meglaw>it just broke stuff
09:26<meglaw>and im a bit sad.
09:26<babilen>meglaw: One of the differences is that automatically installed packages that are no longer needed (because no other package depends on it) will be removed.
09:27<meglaw>well i donno what x11 has to do with my forum
09:27<meglaw>well i do
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09:27<meglaw>u already said it
09:27<babilen>meglaw: Its not that aptitude is doing that on its own. It is rather that the communication between you and aptitude is suboptimal.
09:27<meglaw>it just means work now
09:27<sney>nor do we, since you keep just complaining that it's broken and that it's aptitude's fault but not why
09:27<meglaw>every time i try to use aptitude it breaks stufff
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09:27<meglaw>babilen: lol
09:28<babilen>meglaw: You are doing it wrong in that case. And once again: There is not much we can do if you don't provide details about what happened. Preferrably in the form of a comprehensive pastebin.
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09:30<meglaw>well not mutch to paste, forum is and its broken, so its not a debian issue, is a phpbb or something issue
09:30<Kyoshiro`>little question : do this line in /etc/fstab is still valid ?
09:30<Kyoshiro`>udev /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0
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09:31<meglaw>i bet its as simple as doing the phpbb insstall again
09:31<Kyoshiro`>maybe this is what's breaking boot in the squeeze kernel on my config ?
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09:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:33<sney>Kyoshiro`: that looks like a correct udev entry except that udev doesn't have a fstab entry in a standard squeeze install, it's just handled automagically
09:34<Kyoshiro`>ok that was it
09:34<Kyoshiro`>thanks ^^'
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09:34<Kyoshiro`>it was replacing populated /dev by an empty /dev while mouting local filesystems
09:34<Kyoshiro`>a remnant from old behavior...
09:35<Kyoshiro`>but if my server was not physically accessible I'd have been screwed :/
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09:46<darsie>'aptitude source debian-installer' doesn't work. Shall I use apt-get?
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09:47<darsie>Unknown command "source"
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09:48<Black_Prince>apt-get source ?
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09:48<darsie>That's the question.
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09:48<Black_Prince>apt-get source debian-installer
09:48<arand>And the answer is yes.
09:49<Black_Prince>is the right command
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09:52<darsie>Are 'Super Cow Powers' just a joke, or does it actually mean something? apt-get says: 'This APT has Super Cow Powers.', aptitude says: "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers."
09:52<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
09:53<babilen>and yes, it is a joke
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09:55<darsie>ok :)
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09:56<Pilgrim>Hey guys... got a Debian installation issue here. Brand new CPU/motherboard (i5 2400 processor on an Intel DH67CL motherboard); now the Debian installer won't recognize the on-board NIC
09:57<Pilgrim>The e1000e driver is supposed to be able to drive this, but it doesn't.
09:57<Pilgrim>Strange thing is that an Ubuntu Live CD doesn't have any issues at all... there, it just works.
09:58<Pilgrim>What's the best way of fixing this?
09:58<amphi>does it perhaps need some firmware?
09:58<snow_man_>Pilgrim: most likely a firmware issue; check "dmesg |grep -i firm"
09:58<buffoon_work>Pilgrim, it could be that a firmware is required... in the squeeze release notes there should be a way to fix it
09:58<buffoon_work>like copy the package to a usb stick or something
09:59<gsimmons>The e1000e driver does not load/use firmware from userspace.
09:59<amphi>so much for that theory
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10:00<gsimmons>Pilgrim: The PCI ID of your Ethernet device would assist. You likely have a variant unsupported by e1000e in Linux 2.6.32.
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10:02<Pilgrim>The strange thing is that dmesg doesn't report any issues. It just prints that it found an Intel 82579V; doesn't show any errors.
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10:02<Pilgrim>But no joy after that.
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10:02<Pilgrim>Let me go get the PCI ID.
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10:08<Pilgrim>PCI ID is 8086:1503 (rev 05)
10:08<gsimmons>dpkg: 82579
10:08<dpkg>[82579] Support for Intel 82579 LAN on Motherboard devices (LOMs) is available in the mainline <e1000e> driver since Linux 2.6.36. Supported devices include the 82579LM (PCI-ID 8086:1502) and 82579V (PCI-ID 8086:1503). For device support on established Debian systems, ask me about <e1000e oot>.
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10:09<Pilgrim>So... is it not supported? What are my options?
10:10<amphi>e1000e oot
10:10<amphi>!e1000e oot
10:10<dpkg>[e1000e oot] The <e1000e> driver can be built out-of-tree using sources from . Set $BUILD_KERNEL (e.g. export BUILD_KERNEL=2.6.26-2-686) to compile for other installed kernel header versions.
10:10<Black_Prince>1) Backport a kernel from sid/epxerimental 2) Use liquiorix kernel 3) commit suicide
10:10<gsimmons>Pilgrim: You can build the driver out-of-tree for support within Linux 2.6.32. This would obviously be done after a base install. Alternatively, you could use debootstrap to install Debian via your Live CD.
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10:10<Black_Prince>4) install source driver
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10:12<bjacob>I got a blackout (system freeze on X startup) since I last upgraded my debian sid system with NVIDIA binary driver. Anyone knows if there is known issues with that? linux 2.6.38 + NVIDIA 260.xx ... i've read stuff about the BKL removal, don't know if it's related
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10:13<bjacob>babilen: great, thanks!
10:13<Pilgrim>gsimmons: OK, thanks... I'll explore those options. Any pointers how to use debootstra/
10:13<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
10:14<gsimmons>Pilgrim: The installation guide and associated wiki entry should hopefully provide you with enough information.
10:14<babilen>Pilgrim: Hmpf, /me would recommend the install guide:
10:15<Pilgrim>Great - thanks for the tips. I'll start reading and see how far I get.
10:15<babilen>Pilgrim: But can't you just install the base system and either use 2.6.38 or the oot driver afterwards?
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10:16<babilen>Does anybody know if kmuto plans to make squeeze images with 2.6.XX, XX > 32 available?
10:18<Pilgrim>babilen: I tried installing the base system using the "small CD" ISO, but that just gives me a shell and SSH; not much else. If I go to the "large CD" ISOs, there's a list of 52 of them.
10:19<Pilgrim>babilen: How many CDs should I download before I get a compiler going?
10:19<babilen>Pilgrim: Wouldn't a shell+SSH be enough to install a newer kernel or compile the oot driver?
10:19<gsimmons>babilen: Not until 2.6.38 enters wheezy, then squeeze-backports, I would imagine.
10:19<babilen>gsimmons: That's quite likely, yeah
10:20<babilen>Pilgrim: I would image that everyhting is on DVD1, but you can check which packages are on which CD by:
10:20<babilen>!cd content
10:20<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at (e.g.
10:21<babilen>Pilgrim: CD1 might be enough as well. That said, you can also just provide the needed .deb packages (semi-)manually by using tools like apt-offline, apt-zip or apt-walkabout
10:22<Pilgrim>babilen: And would I then want to install a compiler (to compile e1000e oot) or would I want to do a kernel upgrade?
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10:22<babilen>Pilgrim: You could also just consider manually installing the 2.6.38 kernel from sid (you'll need linux-base too) -- But I am not sure if that is really something I want to recommend, but it is an option. Second opinions would be great.
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10:25<babilen>Pilgrim: Is this a personal machine that does not provide any services and can be considered non-critical infrastructure in the sense that downtimes are acceptable?
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10:27<Pilgrim>babilen: Yes. This is a personal, brand new machine. Want to start running services on it, but for now it's completely blank.
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10:29<babilen>Pilgrim: But there are no people running into your office with lit torches if the server is down for 10 minutes?
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10:30<Pilgrim>babilen: Correct. It's not a running server yet. After everything is installed, downtimes could become an issue.
10:31<kop>babilen: You think kmuto has a new enough kernel?
10:31<babilen>kop: no
10:31<cannesahs>building just module against debian-stable-kernel-headers?
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10:32<babilen>Pilgrim: I am just trying to get a feeling for the importance of that machine ... I am not sure what to recommend so I'll just spell out the options I see, ok? 1. Compile the oot module or 2. Install a newer kernel
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10:35<babilen>Pilgrim: There are various ways to get a newer kernel for your system: 2.1 Compile it yourself -- /msg dpkg make-kpkg -- 2.2 Download linux-image-2. .. and linux-base for sid from and install them with "dpkg -i ..." 2.3 Set the default release to "squeeze", add sources for sid in /etc/apt/sources.list and run "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.38-1-amd64"
10:35<Rovanion>Does exim fill all the functions of a MTA for a webserver? I've understood that postfix is overkill but I don't get any email delivered at the moment.
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10:35<Rovanion>I have exim4 installed
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10:36<babilen>Pilgrim: 2.3 Is obviously not an option now as this requires you to have a working internet connection in the first place, but might come in handy later on in order to upgrade to newer kernel packages in sid
10:36<babilen>Pilgrim: The command should have been "aptitude -t sid install linux-image-2.6.38-1-amd64" btw
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10:36<babilen>Pilgrim: It is of *uttermost* importance that you don't install *any* other packages from sid apart from the kernel one and its dependencies
10:37<kop>Rovanion: All mtas do pretty much the same thing, so postfix would not be overkill. (Especially because you can turn off many many parts of postfix should you so choose.)
10:37<Pilgrim>babilen: OK, understood. I think I'll first try installing the kernel from sid.
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10:38<kop>Rovanion: For very basic configuration of any MTA you should be able to "dpkg-reconfigure your-mta".
10:38<Rovanion>kop, Bah well. I hate debugging MTA's, there is so much that can go wrong. Thanks for the answer
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10:40<babilen>Pilgrim: Note that security updates will not be automatically installed and you will stay with that kernel version. You could adapt the pinning approach as described on for sid and make sure you also have the metapackage "linux-image-2.6-ARCH" from sid installed. Note that this is untested and that approach just popped into my mind.
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10:41<babilen>!tell Pilgrim -about default release
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10:41<babilen>Pilgrim: That should cover your options ... I honestly don't know what to recommend :-\
10:41<Pilgrim>babilen: OK... thanks for the info, though.
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10:42<babilen>Pilgrim: Once the 2.6.38 kernel migrates to testing (wheezy) and becomes available in squeeze-backports I would switch to that.
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10:43<Pilgrim>babilen: I just realized I have access to more debian machines than I thought. One of them is running 2.6.26... Could I still use it to compile e1000e oot for my install (2.6.32-5)?
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10:43<babilen>Pilgrim: You need to compile against the kernel version *you use* (i.e. 2.6.32)
10:44<Pilgrim>babilen: Sure - but can I just install the kernel headers for 2.6.32 on the 2.6.26 machine and compile it?
10:44<babilen>Pilgrim: I guess the easiest way is to: 1. Install the base system 2. Download kernel + linux-base packages for sid from 3. Install them with "dpkg -i ..." 4. Boot into new kernel 5. ??? 6. Profit
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10:45<babilen>Pilgrim: That should work, yes (same architecture?)
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10:46<Pilgrim>babilen: Yep; should be the same. Thanks - I'll either try compiling, or otherwise use the kernel + linux-base packages from sid like you described.
10:47<babilen>Good luck!
10:48<Pilgrim>Thanx!! Luck is with me... I found I have access to another machine running 2.6.32-5 (i.e. the kernel version I need). Going to try compiling e1000e oot first, I think :)
10:48<babilen>Keep an eye on squeeze-backports and the kernel in there
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10:49<Pilgrim>babilen: Will do.
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10:53<babilen>Pilgrim: let me know how it goes :)
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11:13<Black_Prince>How to query dpkg for pciid?
11:14<cahoot>call judd
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11:15<Black_Prince>,pciid 14e4:1696
11:15<judd>[14e4:1696] is 'NetXtreme BCM5782 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also
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11:15<Black_Prince>Doh... Thanks
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11:18<karnov>Hi guys, is there a way to locate a file using stat , just for fun :) . i would like to delete a file using the block number and length .... is it possible ?
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11:21<deux>i'm interested - what's the idea of backports?
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11:22<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
11:23<deux>so why not just put those in the stable release?
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11:23<timon>deux: because they might not be stable
11:24<timon>deux: to put them in stable, you'd have to do the testing procedure again
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11:24<timon>to make sure they can safely be called "stable"
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11:24<deux>but again - why just not let people install those programs from testing?
11:24<deux>basically - what's the diff?
11:24<timon>deux: "people" are free to install things from testing
11:25<deux>i know that - i mean to ask - if backports allow you to install programs that aren't as stable, why just not install from testing?
11:25<timon>stable: "" kind of guarantees that a stable install is possible. nothing changes (well, there's "security" for security relevant updates) so once a system is set up and stable, it remains stable
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11:26<timon>testing: you know you might get something that is newer than stable but not stable. use on your own risk.
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11:27<timon>backports: well, something might be reasonably safe in environments marked "stable" - some people, though, rely on "stable"'s stability and do not want to have changes introduced lightly
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11:27<deux>so backports is like between testing and stable?
11:27<timon>(with every change --backport--, you introduce a chance that a system becomes instable)
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11:27<deux>would that be an accurate statement?
11:27<timon>something like that
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11:28<timon>I think you could phrase it like that ... for bleeding edge software, you might want to go for gentoo ;)
11:29<deux>no, i'm in for stability with a couple of new things
11:30<timon>backports might be ok for you then
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11:30<timon>you could always compile "stable" releases from source and checkinstall them
11:30<timon>I'm off for supper, though
11:30<timon>have a nice time :)
11:31<deux>have a good one
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11:36<Pilgrim>babilen: you still there?
11:37<babilen>Pilgrim: sure
11:37<Pilgrim>babilen: OK... looks like I'm in business.
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11:37<babilen>!congratulate Pilgrim
11:37<dpkg>Nice one Pilgrim, you did it!
11:37<Pilgrim>babilen: Compiled e1000e oot on the other machine; copied it to a USB drive.
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11:38<Pilgrim>babilen: Then, at the point where the netinst package doesn't detect a network card, open up a shell prompt
11:38<Pilgrim>babilen: and do an insmod /hd-media/e1000e.ko
11:39<Pilgrim>Thanks for all your help (babilen, dpkg and others!!)
11:39<babilen>Pilgrim: dpkg is our bot ;)
11:39<babilen>You are most welcome ... Hope you enjoy your new system.
11:39<Pilgrim>babilen: Good. At least you can't tell I'm new here ;)
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12:01<Lantizia>hey can I still download 5.0 from an archive somewhere (have a software stack that still needs lenny - updating to squeeze soon)
12:02<retrospectacus>!lenny iso
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12:02<dpkg>Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>.
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12:04<Lantizia>where exactly are you meant to find that on the web site ? lol
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12:04<babilen>Lantizia: ;)
12:04<Lantizia>no that is the installer, not the netinst
12:04<Lantizia>or even any other ISO's
12:06<babilen>Lantizia: come again? Did you even look at that page?
12:07<Lantizia>ok that's not just about the debian installer (despite what the URL makes it look like) *blush*
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12:07<Lantizia>but! how are you meant to locate that web page from ?
12:08<Lantizia>i see it click "Release Info"
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12:09<babilen>Lantizia: → Release Info → Lenny → Installation Information
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12:11<Lantizia>i was looking for stuff that said archive
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12:11<deux>hi, my x doesn't start automatically and i have to type in startx, is there a way to fix it?
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12:12<cahoot>deux: considered install a display manager like gdm?
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12:14<deux>ohhh, thanks :-)
12:14<deux>worked great
12:14<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer:
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12:39<cannesahs>what is most reliable, non-cron, based way to make wlan auto reconnect after losing connection? is ifplugd reliable?
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12:40<SynrG>use NetworkManager. configure it to auto-reconnect.
12:40<SynrG>use wpa_supplicant. configure it to auto-reconnect.
12:41<SynrG>use wicd ... you get the picture :)
12:41<cannesahs>wpa_supplicant can do it alone :o
12:41<SynrG>well, yes
12:41<SynrG>ap_scan=1 or so
12:41<SynrG>that's what i meant
12:42<cannesahs>okey, thenks
12:42<SynrG>it's all in the README
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13:10<lac>Hi, I upgraded to wheezy/squeeze and my mouse cursor went away. Clicking on the mouse still works, but no cursor. I edited /etc/x11/xorg.conf to say "HWCursor" "off" but that no effect. I have read a thread here
13:10<lac>er but that had no effect. I have read a thread here:
13:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 517] by debhelper
13:11<lac> and this says that if you suspend your laptop the mouse cursor will come back. But I don't know how to do that. I tried to install uswsusp, but it seems that is already installed. But as root I cannot run the command s2disk at all
13:12<lac>what is the command I should be running?
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13:19<yoshio>lac: I do "sudo hibernate"
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13:19<lac>ok, let me try that.
13:19<gsimmons>lac: The issue is corrected in linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, updated linux-image-* packages are available in proposed-updates. You would be better off using these instead of suspending/resuming to redisplay the pointer, as a related issue with video overlays is also corrected ; /msg dpkg nopointer
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13:20<lac>aha, a real fix! wonderful. Can you point me to where to get the better kernel, with a url with instructions on how to make it?
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13:25<sparky4>i am back w
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13:25<sparky4>To ask 1 question
13:26<sparky4>Debian buzz resporitory?
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13:29<sparky4>I am trying to install debian buz on my 486
13:30<sparky4>but i cannot get past the respirtory part
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13:30<jhutchins_lt>sparky4: Still baffled. Debian buz?
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13:31<dpkg>it has been said that buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg). Ask me about <archive>.
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13:33<TheRealOne>does anyone know how to set up an usb network... where a wlan is connected to the net?
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13:34<snow_man_>TheRealOne: by "usb network," do you mean a "usb wireless adapter?"
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13:37<TheRealOne>sharing internet over usb...
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13:43<TheRealOne>anyone experience with ICS over usb?
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13:44<itch>Hey guys. Kinda noob question here. I try to forward some http traffic trough ssh connection (ssh -D port username@host) and the set a socks5 proxy in my browser (localhost:port) but no traffic is going trough. Afaik, the man ssh manual tells me to use -D for this. Is there something I`m not doing write here?
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13:45<chiku>arg why squeeze is so mad with me :(
13:45<chiku>*** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.4.5 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.3.5.
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13:47<Pilgrim>itch: That should pretty much just work. You might try to see if the socks portion is running by doing a 'telnet localhost <port>' on your local machine and see if you get a connection.
13:47<retrospectacus>itch: look for errors onthe ssh connection terminal
13:48<itch>retrospectacus, there are no errors. I specifically used -vN to look for those.
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13:49<retrospectacus>ok, and telnet?
13:49<itch>telnet: could not resolve locahost/8080: Name or service not known :D
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13:49<retrospectacus>locahost ?
13:50<Pilgrim>itch: You would do: "telnet localhost 8080"
13:50<Pilgrim>itch: or "telnet 8080"
13:50<itch>That is what I did
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13:50<itch>Ah, sorry, typo
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13:51<Pilgrim>itch: OK, so the socks part works.
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13:51<Pilgrim>itch: Only other thing I can think of is that there is a problem with the network on the machine you're ssh'ing into.
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13:52<itch>Pilgrim, tried this on 3 totally different machines, I get the same result, which leads me to believe that the issue is somehow on my end ..
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13:52<Pilgrim>itch: Can you reach the address you're trying to connect to directly from the machine you've SSHd into?
13:53<itch>Pilgrim, is there any special config that needs to be made to sshd in order for to work?
13:53<itch>Pilgrim, I can, yes
13:53<itch>I can ping or wget any website
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13:54<Pilgrim>itch: The sshd server must allow TCP forwarding.
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13:55<itch>It does
13:55<Pilgrim>itch: It is enabled by default, but it might be disabled in the config file /etc/ssh/sshd_config. There's a setting AllowTcpForwarding.
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13:55<itch>Pilgrim, I know. The 1st thing I did was to check on that
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13:56<itch>That`s why I ended up here, looking for a solution :)
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13:57<Pilgrim>itch: OK... Hmm. Do you have netcat available on the sshd machine?
13:57<Pilgrim>itch: nc ?
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13:57<itch>Lemme see
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13:58<itch>Yes, I do
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14:01<Pilgrim>itch: OK... If you do a 'nc -l -p 1234' on the sshd-machine, and then try using your browser to connect to, you should see the request appear as output of the nc process.
14:02<yoshio>chiku, gcc is version 4.4.5-1 on squeeze, install gcc-4.3 for version 4.3.5-4 (I also have gcc-4.4 on squeeze, which is 4.4.5-8)
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14:03<Class>How should i ensure if software is installed from repositories not from source ?
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14:04<Hydroxide>Class: just use a package-based tool like apt-get or aptitude or synaptic instead of getting it from the author's website.
14:04<Class>Hydroxide, if i can see it with dpkg -l
14:04<chiku>I link gcc to gcc-4.3
14:04<chiku>but now I got this error gcc-4.3: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
14:04<Class>its not installed from source right ?
14:05<chiku>there is cc1plus for 4.4 but not for 4.3
14:05<Hydroxide>Class: yes, that means you've installed it from a package. it's theoretically possible that you then installed it from source and overwrote the packaged files, but that's unlikely unless you know you did it
14:05<chiku>for 4.3 there is cc1
14:06<Hydroxide>chiku: you probably need to install g++-4.3
14:06<Hydroxide>chiku: that provides the C++ support
14:06<Class>the all software was installed by another system administrator now im planning to upgrade to lenny thats why im checking if there is any manually compiled software
14:07<Hydroxide>Class: you can use debsums to compare the installed files against the md5sums provided by the package metadata
14:07<Hydroxide>Class: read the man page or the help output to learn how to use it.
14:07<Class>okay thanks
14:07<Hydroxide>you're welcome.
14:07<itch>Pilgrim, noup, there is no output on the ssh machine
14:08<chiku>aptitude search g++-4.3 doesn't work but it exists + is prohibit symbol for aptitude search ?
14:08<Hydroxide>chiku: not a prohibited symbol, but a special symbol. it's a regular expression
14:08<itch>Pilgrim, but all of a sudden it seems that my socks5 is working
14:09<Hydroxide>chiku: you can do aptitude search 'g\+\+-4.3' to see it
14:09<Hydroxide>chiku: or even more precisely, aptitude search 'g\+\+-4\.3' -- or just use aptitude show g++-4.3 :)
14:09<Pilgrim>itch: OK... well, can't really explain that, but it's the result that matters I guess.
14:09<Hydroxide>(or apt-cache show g++-4.3 ... many ways to get there)
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14:11<itch>Pilgrim, it started working when I did "netcat -l -l 8080" on the ssh machine
14:11<itch>* -l -p
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14:13<Pilgrim>itch OK... But you don't see any output from netcat, right?
14:14<Pilgrim>itch: That means that netcat is just sitting there, listening on port 8080, doing nothing.
14:14<Pilgrim>itch: I'll bet it will keep working if you stop the netcat.
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14:14<yoshio>chiku: I have gcc-4.3 on squeeze
14:14<yoshio>,versions gcc
14:14<judd>Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.5.2-2; sid: 4:4.5.2-4; experimental: 4:4.6.0-2exp1
14:14<yoshio>,versions gcc-4.3
14:15<judd>Package gcc-4.3 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.5-4; wheezy: 4.3.5-5
14:15<itch>Pilgrim, it does work after I stop netcat and even changed ports several times
14:15<Class> is it ok that /etc/bind/named.con and /etc/init.d/bind9 failed ?
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14:16<Pilgrim>itch: OK. I still can't explain that based on what you told me.
14:16<Pilgrim>itch: But hey, if it works, it works, right? ;)
14:16<itch>Pilgrim, that makes two of us.
14:16<chiku>kernel-header doesn't create symbolic link for /usr/src/linux ?
14:16<itch>Pilgrim, yes, I`m glad that it works, but man, that`s weird
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14:17<Pilgrim>itch: It sure is. Were you using the same sshd machine all the time, or did you use different servers?
14:17<itch>Pilgrim, could it be that I don`t have root access on the sshd-machine when I run netcat ?
14:17<chiku>how I got this error :(
14:18<itch>Pilgrim, for this conversation I used the same machine. But before that I have tried on 3 totally different ones, on different networks / ISPs
14:18<Pilgrim>itch: Normally, no. I do it all the time on machines where I don't have root either.
14:19<itch>This was the WTF of the day :P
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14:19<itch>Pilgrim, I kindly thank you for your assistance
14:19<Pilgrim>itch: Is it possible that on your local machine another process was already using your socks5 port (8080) ?
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14:19<itch>Pilgrim, not afaik
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14:20<itch>Pilgrim, besides, I have tried at least 5 different ports
14:21<Pilgrim>itch: OK... Well, again, it looks like you were trying the right thing. Not sure why it didn't work earlier.
14:22<itch>Pilgrim, thank you again
14:22<Pilgrim>itch: No problem - you're welcome.
14:23<Class>Hydroxide, as i understand debsums makes sure that md5 sums located here /var/lib/dpkg/info/ * is identical to the package which is at debian repos ?
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14:26<yoshio>chiku: are you using g++ or gcc? cc1plus is for g++, but if you are building a kernel module, you probably want gcc
14:28<chiku>I run ./
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14:28<Rovanion>If we have libraryX, and it's used by two applications. Do these load up two copies of the same library to RAM or do they use the same memory?
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14:29<mjr>same memory
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14:29<Rovanion>mjr, That sounds good
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14:30<chiku>I installed linux-headers-2.6-amd64
14:31<mjr>(for the code; any reservations that the library functions make during their use will be process-spesific, unless the library spesifically wants shared memory and arranges it so)
14:31<chiku>then created /usr/src/linux to link into linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
14:31<chiku>then link gcc to gcc-4.3
14:31<yoshio>chiku: rather than asking about g++ or gcc, state what you're trying to do or accomplish, like what are you building?
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14:32<chiku>vmware server 1.0.10 drivers
14:33<doubledutch>Have a Sun SparcStation that needs RAM? eBay item: 260761574582
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14:34<yoshio>chiku: look in /etc/alternatives - there are the links cc, c89 and maybe more. try "update-alternatives --display cc"
14:35<chiku>cc -> /usr/bin/gcc
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14:36<chiku>c++ -> /usr/bin/g++
14:36<chiku>/usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.3
14:36<chiku>/usr/bin/g++ -> g++-4.4
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14:37<chiku>I should create link g++ fro 4.3
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14:39<chiku>same error
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14:39<yoshio>chiku: you did update-alternatives --config g++ ?
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14:41<Modular>does anyone have some suggestions if I wanted to compile my own kernel. Not looking for a how to just looking for some advice and pointers
14:41<chiku>no alternative for g++
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14:42<yoshio>chiku: -- are you on squeeze?
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14:43<chiku>yes on squeeze
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14:47<yoshio>chiku: did you try the section VMware on Linux Kernel > 2.6.25
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14:48<chiku>I'm using vmware-update-2.6.32-5.5.9
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14:51<chiku>init_mm (2.6.29 and above):
14:51<chiku>You must re-export init_mm to use this vmware version with newer kernels
14:51<chiku>For this, you must apply the patch 2.6.29-export-init_mm.patch (or kernel-version-export-init_mm.patch) to your kernel sources and rebuild your kernel. (unless your distribution did this for you). To check its kinda easy. If the build fails with "unknown symbol" and "init_mm not found", then you know you're missing it.
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14:58<yoshio>chiku: I did a search for "vmware-update-2.6.32-5.5.9 debian", got and
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15:06<chiku>the howto explains about rebuild the kernel
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15:18<chiku>what %3C mean ? it is < symbol ?
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15:40<bluenemo_>when i resize a partition with parted and give start and ending on the disk, does it move the partition as well when the start point is not the same as previous?
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15:41<Osiris_X>anyone able to successfully specify a range of IP addresses or a subnet in the gnome network proxy preference ignored hosts box?
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15:42<Osiris_X>retrospectacus: that does not work - if I type and IP from that subnet into my web-browser it still attempts to use the proxy
15:43<retrospectacus>what browser?
15:43<Osiris_X>also doesn't work from eclipse
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15:45<angelo>hi .. can anyone point me to a good tutorial how to set up dual screen in debian ... in console & XFCE
15:45<retrospectacus>Osiris_X: Iceweasel has its own proxy config screen, not sure about eclips
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15:46<Osiris_X>retrospectacus: it is set to use the system wide settings
15:47<Osiris_X>and in any case if I specify the ip address of the host I want not to use the proxy, it successfully goes directly to iy
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15:47<retrospectacus>Osiris_X: the gnome "Network Proxy Preferences" tool simply sets the environment variable ALL_PROXY and NO_PROXY - individual applications may or may not attempt to "comply"
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15:48<Osiris_X>retrospectacus: see my reply just that arrived moments before yours
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15:48<retrospectacus>Osiris_X: echo $no_proxy in terminal and look for syntax problems? paste here if u like
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15:50<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, no-proxy = localhost,,
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15:51<retrospectacus>and you are browsing to e.g. ? Note that browsing to http://somebox.local/ is not sufficient (even if somebox.local is 192.168.x.x)
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15:52<retrospectacus>in that case you need to actually add the name somebox.local to the no_proxy list
15:53<ballison>I just installed swatch ("apt-get install swatch"), created a swatch config file, and went to test it against a log file. When I echo "testing123" (the string I'm looking for in swatch) down to the log file I get "cannot open pipe to : Broken pipe" over in my swatch script running window.
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15:53<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, yes I am browsing to or - localhost:8500 works, <hostname>.local is an unrecognised address
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15:54<ballison>I need a very simple tool for tailing log files and responding if a certain string appears. swatch seems to do that nicely, but for some reason this version that get installed on debian seems bugged. (or i could be doing something wrong)
15:54<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, in any case I can't change the fact that eclipse looks for it's own internal server on
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15:56<ballison>is it just me, or is this version of swatch (3.2.3-1) bugged?
15:56<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>.
15:57<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, strangely ping <hostname>.local works from the command line works but not from iceweasel
15:57<Piotr>anybody having segfaults of mysqlclient lib when starting apache2 on x86?
15:57<ballison>Retro: No reports found!
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15:59<retrospectacus>Osiris_X: I don't believe ping uses the proxy as it is ICMP not TCP
16:00<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, sure - it is unrelated to my proxy issue, I'm just surprised the .local address is resolved from the command line but not from iceweasel
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16:01<rpetre>.local is special for avahi and mdns
16:01<angelo>hi .. can anyone point me to a good tutorial how to set up dual screen in debian ... primairly in console??
16:02<retrospectacus>ballison: it sounds like you are _replacing_ your log file which causes broken pipes on processes reading the logfile
16:02<after8>hi, i dont have back button in iceweasel. what to do?
16:02<retrospectacus>ballison: echo testing123 >> logfile
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16:02<retrospectacus>after8: press Alt-left
16:03<after8>retrospectacus, my left-key is broken *g*
16:03<retrospectacus>after8: if your theme is missing icons you can change the icon theme in the appearance preferences
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16:03<retrospectacus>after8: how do you "not have" a back button?
16:04<after8>there is a button but without an icon. fresh 64bit install.
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16:05<retrospectacus>change the icon theme
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16:06<after8>is it possible to run vbox on 64bit system?
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16:07<retrospectacus>angelo: how do you envision dual screen operating in the tty?
16:07<towo`>why should it not possible?
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16:10<er_guti>aii alguien por hay
16:10<er_guti>para chatear
16:10<retrospectacus>!es-social er_guti
16:10<dpkg>er_guti: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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16:11<er_guti>olaa ke haces
16:12<er_guti>bueno adios
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16:23<retrospectacus>Osiris_X: as you may have guessed, I'm out of ideas... all I can say is, works for me
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16:24<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, are you using ubuntu: natty?
16:24<fbs>during a debian install its possible to choose the stuff you want to install, like base, graphical, ssh etc
16:24<fbs>what is the command to do that on a running system?
16:24<retrospectacus>Osiris_X: debian wheezy/sid. Ubuntu is not supported here.
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16:25<retrospectacus>fbs: tasksel
16:25<fbs>retrospectacus: yeah :) thaks
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16:25<adb>debian install run automatically tasksel ...
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16:25<bo>Hello guys n girls: I just installed Debian Testing (is it Wheezy?) and run into troubles right after installation. As it asked me to install grub during the normal installation procedure I just did all the default things (as I always used to do). So but then after installation my system could not boot. Grub did not find the things it needed or whatever. Then I re-inserted my USB-flash (from which I installed) into the machine and I was able to start t
16:25<bo>he system (which is why I can now write to you). So to me it seems that grub installed it's files on the USB-stick? Can somebody help me get things right? I looked for some commands in the internet already but I don't even have the command "grub" on my system! Thanks for any tips!
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16:26<angelo>hi .. I'm trying to install the nrew nvidea driver from their site .. it says it needs gcc 4.5 ... I installed the package gcc-4.5 but it still says I have gcc 4.3 .. when I remove package gcc it says I have no gcc at all ... :S ... what am I doing wrong here?
16:26<retrospectacus>!tell angelo about nvidia
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16:26<Osiris_X>retrospectacus, ok - I believe it is an existing bug whose fix has not filtered through to debian yet - which is why I am surprised it works for you : I am wheezing too
16:27<retrospectacus>angelo: read the Debian Wiki. do not proceed to, do not pass go. throw all that away and do it properly
16:27<angelo>thanks :)
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16:29<bo>I'm not even sure if I got the right idea about the problem
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16:34<retrospectacus>bo: can you unmount and remove the usb now? What partition contains your /
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16:40<bo>retrospectacus, thx 4 answering. My root is on /dev/sda1 my USB is on /dev/sdb1 (as I can see from the command "df -h"). My USB contains the files "ldlinux.sys menu.c32 syslinux.cfg ubninit ubnkern", according to their timestamp they all should have been created by unetbooting I think... I should just try to unmount the usb-flash?
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16:42<sney>bo: unmount the usb-flash and (as root) run 'grub-install /dev/sda'
16:45<grummund_>Hi, i count at least 4 http tunneling packages with apt-cache ...
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16:45<grummund_>which one(s) should i be looking at to tunnnel ssh over a http proxy?
16:46<bo>sney, ok. I'll try to reboot after I copied my backup to disk. THX
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16:47<retrospectacus>bo: this is unrelated but you probably have an erroneous CD-ROM line in /etc/fstab for your /dev/sdb
16:47<retrospectacus>you should remove it.
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16:52<jcarlos>Can someone tell me, please, how can I fix this: ?
16:53<sney>jcarlos: is mercurial-common installed?
16:53<jcarlos>The machine shut down while upgrading ... and now I get that message ...
16:53<bo>retrospectacus, hm. I don't see anything wrong there? "sdb" is not even mentioned... sorry for my beginners behaviour. It has been to long! here is my /etc/ftab ->
16:54<sney>jcarlos: hmm. aptitude -f install?
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16:54<retrospectacus>bo: gotcha, it looks ok - looks like they fixed that problem
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16:55<retrospectacus>bo: anyways, what sney said should fix your grub issue
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16:56<bo>ok, I'll be back to say thank you after I have rebooted my machine. thx guys. you make Debian even more amazing
16:56<retrospectacus>jcarlos: apt-get update
16:56<jcarlos>retrospectacus: Nope
16:56<retrospectacus>bo: glad you like it
16:56<jcarlos>sney: retrospectacus: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mercurial-common.list is corrupted
16:57<sney>is the .deb for mercurial-common still present in /var/cache/apt ?
16:57<jcarlos>sney: How can I recover this file ?
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16:58<jcarlos>sney: No
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16:58<daemonkeeper>Pure abstract: Having a DAS storage with "Dual active/active SAS JBOD I/O modules" means I can connect two SAS HBA at the same time, right? I might have to be careful for concurrect access on file system level, but for the underlying hardware that should work, right?
16:58<planet8>For the KDE desktop there is an update notifier, but doesn't there exist some option or another plasma thing with which to update everything with a single click?
16:59<planet8>"You should update your system" it says, but the only option is "Later"
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17:05<retrospectacus>planet8: perhaps you don't have the updater tool installed (whatever it is)
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17:05<planet8>Yes, but it's like this:
17:05<planet8>just found that
17:05<retrospectacus>hmm ok
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17:06<retrospectacus>maybe it's just me but I HATE update-notifiers... they remind me of when I used to have windows
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17:06<retrospectacus>if I want to upgrade I'll type apt-get upgrade
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17:08<planet8>I do it manually too, but I have installed Debian on both my mothers computer and my wifes computer, and they need something like this.
17:08<planet8>I'll just create a script with an icon then. I just think it should be a part of the notifier like in kubuntu.
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17:09<planet8>themill, no because that would "slow" the computer down suddenly.
17:09<planet8>never mind.. I'll do it with a script.
17:09<themill>it would?
17:11<planet8>it could, if it suddenly needs to update open office or something else. these are older machines.
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17:12<themill>cron-apt doesn't do the installs for you automatically unless you configure it that way (I wouldn't). It just checks for updates and emails a specified person to tell them to do something about it if necessary
17:12<planet8>ah, but that's not what's needed :)
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17:17<darsie>I did 'apt-get source debian-installer'. Where is it now?
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17:17<retrospectacus>darsie: .
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17:18<darsie>ok. Unfortunately I forgot where I did it. It also scrolled out of the terminal buffer. Gonna look for it.
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17:19<pez>how can i verify sourcecode downloaded from with a dsc file?
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17:19<sparky4>How do i use the debian archives in the etch installation?
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17:22<MrFrood>dpkg: tell sparky4 about etch
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17:22<darsie>retrospectacus: . was /etc/apt ...
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17:23<SynrG>that's another thing. no need to be root when you do that
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17:24<sparky4>etch is the last floppy installable Debian
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17:25<sparky4>my system dose not have a CD drive
17:25<darsie>sparky4: You can install debian from HD.
17:25<darsie>Or, I can :).
17:25<bo>thx for helping me with my grub problem. My machine just booted fine :-) have a nice day. bb
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17:26<pez>what utility should i use to verify a sourcecode tarball with a dsc file?
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17:26<darsie>sparky4: What OS is on the system?
17:27<sparky4>darsie: none
17:27<sparky4> /dev/null
17:28<darsie>sparky4: do you have a linux live CD?
17:28<sparky4>it is etch installer via floppy
17:28<sparky4>this is a 486DX@33Mhz
17:29<jhutchins_lt>Woo Hoo! I remember those.
17:29<darsie>sparky4: So you actually want etch, not squeeze if that's possible?
17:29<retrospectacus>you may try installing by USB? Or no such port
17:29<sney>darsie: squeeze would not run on a 486 with 33MHz and 20MB of memory
17:31<darsie>ok. But HD install is probably still an option.
17:31<MrFrood>sney: darsie minimum memory for squeeze = 48 MB
17:31<jhutchins_lt>sparky4: While it's an interesting experiment, you might also want to look at some of the projects like puppy and dsl that are newer software meant to run on older hardware.
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17:32<MrFrood>Etch if memory serves me right reqires 32 MB
17:32<sparky4>the system's mother board's maximum memory
17:32<sparky4>is 32
17:32<sparky4>but it has 20 right now
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17:33<MrFrood>sparky4: go for something like Crux where you can optimise stuff for low resources
17:34<sparky4>i am in the middle of the installation
17:34<sparky4>of etch
17:34<sparky4>i cannot get it to read the debian archives for old releases
17:34<sparky4>the release file
17:34<MrFrood>sparky4: I wish you luck
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17:35<sparky4>DSL is stand still
17:37<sney>if I had a 486 that I was trying to use I'd probably forgo linux altogether and use NetBSD
17:38<sney>or just put DOS on it and play Commander Keen
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17:38<darsie>I'd donate Command&Conquer.
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17:39<MrFrood>FreeDos rocks on my 286
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17:50<sparky4>i figured it out!
17:50<sparky4>and the installation failed
17:50<sparky4>hmm sarge time
17:50<sparky4>or buzz
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17:53<sparky4>sarge it is w
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18:00*sney racks his brain trying to remember how to print to a windows printer
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18:01<abrotman>smbprint ?
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18:04<sney>ah, smbspool. it's in smbclient.
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18:05<abrotman>hrm .. i thought it still existed :)
18:06<meglaw>how do i start x? ;)
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18:08<s_i_m>meglaw, with startx ;)
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18:10<s_i_m>meglaw, be more precise if that does not answer your question.
18:10<meglaw>hehe i will when apt finished its thing
18:11<s_i_m>meglaw, that is true first you must have x _installed_ :)
18:11<darsie>meglaw: a display manager such as gdm, kdm or xdm usually does that.
18:12<s_i_m>in my case it usually does not, cuz I do not use any.
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18:15<s_i_m>gdm, kdm, gnome, kde, etc, are useless crap anyway
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18:16<darsie>real programmers do "type >" or so I read.
18:17<s_i_m>real programmers have high salaries and a life
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18:21<abrotman>the bear is an alligator ?
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18:21<s_i_m>how a mammal can be a reptile?
18:22<abrotman>oh .. he's a [GeneticallyModified]Bear .. ?
18:23<s_i_m>oh, I see
18:23<mutante>s_i_m: ah,, thats that "reptoid" conspiracy thingie.. its weird
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18:40<XmastrX>Hi everyone, I had a question and wondered if anyone here could help... im running crunchbang on a aspire one netbook, and was wondering if there is a program or something that could help me reduce power... I should be getting around 3 or 4 hours but im getting 2 and powertop tells me im using around 15w of power... can anyone tell me what I could do?
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18:42<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on Debian>.
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18:47<meglaw>XmastrX: use less programs
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18:48<darsie>xamanu: try top
18:48<sney>my offtopic guess would be that the aspire one is a few years old now and the battery doesn't hold a full charge anymore
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18:48<darsie>XmastrX: try top
18:49<Guest771>hey guys does any know how to add album information to a bunch of mp3 files on the command line>?
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18:49<Guest771>like sed?
18:49<sney>but, meglaw, darsie, anyone else: "not supported in #debian" means, please limit your help for people who got here by accident to finding the correct channel, or reconsidering their choice of OS
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18:50<retrospectacus>Guest771: "aptitude search mp3 tag" shows many packages that may help you
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19:05<amphi>what does irc:// do in a browser?
19:05<amphi>embed irssi in midori? ;)
19:06<retrospectacus>the browser trys to invoke a handler
19:06<retrospectacus>if you had it setup right it would launch irssi (not embedded)
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19:07<Guest771>retrospectacus: thanks man i found a program that will let me do it with 100 of mp3s. thanks. you saved me time
19:07<amphi>thanks (ECHAN by the way :)
19:07<retrospectacus>Guest771: np
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19:08<eroge>I have a little question
19:08<retrospectacus>eroge: hi, please ask
19:08<eroge>Debian sid is using linux-libre?
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19:11<retrospectacus>eroge: you mean the no-binary-blob kernel?
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19:12<retrospectacus>all debian kernels 2.6.32 and higher are completely free, I believe
19:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
19:13<eroge>Are uds sure?
19:14<retrospectacus>pretty sure but you may research:
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19:14<meglaw>well, i can start kdm and stuff, xini does try do read xorg.conf and fails and i donno how to like wizard detect gfx and stuff
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19:23<retrospectacus>meglaw: cool story. Would you like to ask a question?
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19:34<Guest772>but but... why?
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19:35<sney>because someone else is already user
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19:37<Guest772>I'm addicted but I don't like it when people refer to me as a user...
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19:39<Capuchin>Can someone point me to someone who can discuss my mouse configuration with me? I'm at wit's end.
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19:39<dpkg>mouse is probably rumour has it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in xorg, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/README.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. See also <2.6 mouse>.
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19:40<Guest772>I use a rat...
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19:41<Capuchin>Well, that was some cleverness. I'm reeling.
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19:42<Capuchin>My issue is that there's no xorg.conf and no HAL rules, but changing the udev file doesn't seem to have any effect.
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19:42<MrFrood>Capuchin: I assume you have wrestled with your xorg.conf
19:42<sney>no xorg.conf is normal in Squeeze, it's all autodetection. if you want to force something using xorg.conf-like syntax, you can make an Input section in a text file and stick it in xorg.conf.d
19:43<MrFrood>or just generate an xorg.conf
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19:43<Capuchin>sney: I'm aware of this.
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19:43<Capuchin>MrFrood: I have no xorg.conf
19:44<Capuchin>My question now is simply whence the current used configuration is coming.
19:44<Capuchin>If it's not hal or udev or xorg, what is it?
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19:45<MrFrood>Capuchin: Xorg -configure (as root, without X running)
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19:46<Capuchin>MrFrood: I know how to create an xorg.conf.... this is not my concern.
19:46<retrospectacus>Capuchin: X guesses everything if there's no xorg.conf
19:46<Capuchin>I want to know how my mouse is CURRENTLY being configured.
19:46<Capuchin>retrospectacus: Are you saying that xorg isn't getting its events from udev?
19:46<sney>default is, iirc, protocol 'auto' and device '/dev/input/mice'
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19:47<retrospectacus>you may possibly find relevant information in Xorg.0.log about how your mouse is loaded up
19:47<Capuchin>Can't I just use udev?
19:48<Capuchin>Xorg.0.log says this: [ 638.429] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech USB Trackball (/dev/input/mouse2)
19:48<Capuchin>However, changing the udev rules file for the trackball doesn't change the driver settings.
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19:53<sney>because udev doesn't have any part in telling X what input drivers to use.
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19:54<Capuchin>This logfile line, sney, seems to imply that xorg is using the device via udev.
19:55<sney>the device yes
19:55<sney>devices come from udev. input drivers are just an X thing though.
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19:56<Capuchin>So why doesn't changing the udev rule change the device behavior in X?
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19:57<Capuchin>For instance, I have this rule: ENV{x11_options.ButtonMapping}="1 9 3 4 5 6 7 2 2"
19:57<Capuchin>This does not seem to actually change the button mapping, however.
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20:00<MrFrood>Capuchin: is there a reason why you cannot go the xorg.conf.d or xorg.conf route?
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20:01<Capuchin>MrFrood: My goal is not so much a working configuration as a comprehensible one.
20:01<Capuchin>MrFrood: My question is about why this isn't working, not how to get it working by any means necessary.
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20:02<Capuchin>I'm asking why I can't peel this orange. Telling me to eat an apple doesn't really help... if you catch my drift.
20:02<dpkg>rumour has it, xstrikeforce is X Window System support for Debian operating systems. The Debian X Strike Force is a team responsible for maintaining packages for the X Window System in Debian. For help configuring X: Ask me about <compiz> <xorg config> <xrandr>.
20:03<sney>developers are usually better at the 'why' then #debian is
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20:03<Capuchin>I came here as a starting point, sney. I very much appreciate the pointers.
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20:04<MrFrood>Capuchin: might also be worth trying the Debian-user mailing list
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20:05<babilen>Capuchin: You want to look into creating a device specific configuration file in xorg.conf.d -- /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d -- and you probably want to read "man mousedev" and "man synaptic"
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20:06<Capuchin>babilen: Will any of those things tell me why my udev rule doesn't work?
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20:07<babilen>Capuchin: I have no idea what udev rule you are using and udev is used to give you devices and provide Xorg with the necessary information to configure it. The configuration itself is either done by using the defaults, or creating Xorg configuration files.
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20:09<Capuchin>babilen: I have this rule: ENV{x11_options.ButtonMapping}="1 9 3 4 5 6 7 2 2"
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20:11<babilen>Capuchin: the latter should have been "man synaptics"
20:11<sney>synaptics? for a trackball?
20:11<babilen>No, for trackpads
20:12<sney>you are allergic to scrolling up.
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20:16<babilen>Capuchin: don't read "man synaptics" as it is not relevant for your problem
20:16<Capuchin>I know, babilen. My touchpad works fine.
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21:00<scotd>anyone heard anything good/bad about unstable with 2.6.38-2?
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21:02<eroge>I want to know if 2.6.38 in sid is linux-libre
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21:10<bgat>anyone else seeing this with sid?
21:10<bgat>Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed!
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21:15<flaccid>anyone seen any issues with debootstrap in 6.0.1 or is it good2go for debootstrapping squeeze? i remember having to use ubuntu's before release
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21:17<flaccid>hmm actually couldn't be a problem now, ignore me
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21:21<eroge>one question
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21:22<eroge>Debian sid uses linux-libre?
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21:22<MadameZou>eroge: nope. Debian only has removed non-free blobs from the debian-patched kernel which is different than the linux-libre kernel AFAIK
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21:27<eroge>beacouse I need an linux-libre 2.6.37 or 2.6.38 .deb package
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21:30<flaccid>what happened to ?
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21:33<flaccid>MadameZou: sure but no changes
21:34<eroge>I need linux-libre 2.6.37 or .38
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21:37<flaccid>april fools?
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21:38<flaccid>man i was totalled pwned
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21:40<MadameZou>with a zack's quotes? mmm. unlikely
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21:40<MadameZou>nobody involves other distros and a DPL for an april fools
21:41<eroge>you remember me that tomorrow is the april fools's day
21:41<eroge>(Sorry my english, argentinian here)
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21:53<th>uh, /run directory is a joke too?
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22:29<angie>so who all is on?
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22:57<ges>Hey, quick question, my gnome terminal crashed in the middle of executing "apt-get install aptitude". Running "ps aux | grep apt-get" shows the following: root 20156 0.2 0.1 36428 19796 ? S 22:44 0:01 apt-get install aptitude
22:58<ges>Is it running in the background or do I need to run it again
22:58<ges>Did something break if gnome terminal crashed mid-install?
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22:59<sney>ges: try running 'apt-get update' or so in another terminal and see if it lets you
23:00<ges>Oh duh, I didn't even think about trying to see if it was still locked.
23:01<ges>Yeah, it's giving me an error. Seem's that it's still locked. With ps aux reporting 0.2% CPU usage and a slight noticeable system-wide lag, I'm guessing it should work itself out.
23:01<ges>Only time will tell, I suppose.
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23:03<ges>Thanks for the speedy response btw, sney. I appreciate it.
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23:11<chl501>Is there any open source tool that can be applied for analyzing customer's shopping behavior?
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23:24<flaccid>hmm debootstrap configures the apt source.list as per the mirror used? it seems so, os there some package or script i can use to make it default or something?
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23:34<black>how do i go about validating an archive with a .dsc file?
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23:54<retrospectacus>black: what do you mean? You want to generate a .dsc? Validate the checksums in an existing .dsc?
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23:55<\3TATUK>Is anyone else seeing what I'm seeing on ...?
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23:56<\3TATUK>Is it just me or is this suspicious?
23:56<black>i want to validate an archive with a dsc file... i have an archive and i have a dsc file so how do i make sure the download is good using the dsc file?
23:56<retrospectacus> and,, etc
23:56<pparadis>oh man, april 1 already? :)
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23:56<\3TATUK>Oh yeahhhh LOLLLLLLL
23:56<\3TATUK>April Fooolssssz
23:57<retrospectacus>black: run: sha256sum whatever.tar.gz and see if it matches the checksums in the .dsc
23:59<black>ah crap! are you telling me i've been acting like a total newbie? for some reason i've been running around looking for some tool to verify for me
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23:59<retrospectacus>well that's not really "what I was telling you" but...
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