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---Logopened Fri Apr 01 00:00:14 2011
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00:00<retrospectacus>;)
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00:00<black>well, thanks for helping me to humble myself, yet again
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00:01<retrospectacus>you could make a script to read the .dsc and check the sums... it probably does exist
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00:01<black>thanks but i don't need automation... anybody have a question? i might be able to help...
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00:13<flaccid>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en <-- is this latest debootstrap doc ?
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00:21<astronut>"*/30 15-21 2 4 *" - is that contab spec what i think it is?
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00:22<astronut>also, does cron use local time or utc?
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00:42<retrospectacus>astronut: local time
00:43<retrospectacus>(system time as per `date`)
00:44<retrospectacus>I'm afraid only you can answer your first question...
00:44<astronut>every half hour from 3 to 7 pm on april 2nd
00:44<astronut>err, 9 not 7
00:46<retrospectacus>til 9:30
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00:48<retrospectacus>astronut: dare I ask what you are doing with that
00:49*retrospectacus hopes something to do with beer
00:49<astronut>retrospectacus: printing basketball scores to paper
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00:50<astronut>oh, you're right
00:50<astronut>hmmmm... we'll go with 830
00:52<astronut>retrospectacus: good catch
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00:54<retrospectacus>add that to the list of things debian can do - print basketball scores on schedule
00:55<astronut>retrospectacus: i've used debian to run a robotic submarine - i don't know much about what debian can't do
00:56<astronut>retrospectacus: ncaa's json is poorly formed - certain field names vary game-to-game
00:57<retrospectacus>odd
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00:59<astronut>"name_raw" vs "nameRaw"
01:00<retrospectacus>maybe differences in the hw/software at the different stadiums
01:01<astronut>unlikely - this is what their own javascript reads to run the widgit on their website
01:01<astronut>they included the json path in their html comments
01:01<astronut>i'm guessing they don't use that - they have an html formatted one instead
01:01<astronut>but stilll
01:01<astronut>still*
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01:05<retrospectacus>I wonder why. Maybe their web guys argue about naming standards
01:06<sney>developers arguing about silly things? say it ain't so
01:07*astronut is like 20,000 messages behind on debian-devel
01:07<astronut>since we're on that topic
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01:31<flaccid>apt-get and aptitude use the same pkg list right?
01:32<astronut>yes
01:32<flaccid>ok i'll see if i can replicate this pkg dep issue
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01:55<kenyon>heh www.debian.org
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01:56<astronut>can't tell if that's a joke
01:57<Donciakas>mornin'
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02:07<th>somehow, the debian.org front page looks more colorful today
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02:08<Donciakas>fools day trick
02:09<th>looks pretty nice, btw
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02:10<th>the spirit of unity is awesome, the implementation OTOH must be a gory affair
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02:44<roJacK_>kom.net.id
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03:19<Overlord>hello all
03:20<korencia>Hi! It is deadly silence in here :-/
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03:22<korencia>It is joke?!! http://www.debian.org/
03:22<korencia>Canterbury distro?? :-D
03:23<Fluma>Debian is no more!
03:24<korencia>Are you kidding me?? When it happened?
03:26<Fluma>It happened today, of course. What other day could it be? :)
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03:26<korencia>:-D So.. nice 1st April ;-)
03:27<Fluma>:))
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03:34<mekt>Which program(s) are suitable for creating mock or empty packages to satisfy package dependencies?
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03:37<jm_>mekt: equivs
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03:40<mekt>thanks jm_
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03:41<jm_>no worries
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03:45<nigifabio>hi all
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04:00<korencia>Another nice 1st April ;-) http://uni.xkcd.com/
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04:02<Arrowmaster>guest@xkcd:/$ sudo make me a sandwich
04:02<Arrowmaster>Okay.
04:03<fralle>are HD cylinder head sector of any importance?
04:04<Arrowmaster>not really since they are all fake
04:04<fralle>according to a webpage: to clone a disk: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
04:04<fralle>ok ok
04:04<fralle>så then they are not needed u mena :)
04:04<fralle>thnx Arrowmaster
04:05<fralle>command above gives same geometry
04:05<fralle>havent tested if it new drive boots though :)
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04:37<korencia>(Wheezy) When i reboot, the OS does not find my touchpad +keyboard (notebook -Asus -a bit atypical -K72J). I must replug the external mouse. But when I'm getting into safe mode, then /etc/init.d/udev restart , the touchpad +keyboard is found. (The problem started even on squeeze -before i migrated to wheezy -i'm hibernating alot, so it wasn't big problem..)
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04:47<ayaka>how to use ipv6 .tunnelbroker to IRC?
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05:00<amitz>should be automatic if you configured it properly. just call a ipv6 host.
05:00<amitz>ipv6 hostname having ipv6 address.
05:01<amitz>oh wait... supposedly
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05:43<ottoshmidt>why can't I apply certain pictures from appearance preferences
05:44<ottoshmidt>even from default ones
05:44<ottoshmidt>?
05:44<ottoshmidt>I mean as Desktop Background
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05:53<korencia>ottoshmidt Describe it better (specify if you use GNOME, KDE, ... +what exactly want ot do) (but it seems to be question not for debian forum, but for forum of KDE/GNOME/ whatever desktom manager you use..)
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05:54<ottoshmidt>korencia, gnome
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05:55<ottoshmidt>I thought first it was a resolution issue but doesn't appear so
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05:57<korencia>Hm.. Better is to ask GNOME IRC then here.
05:57<korencia>/me do not use GNOME several yrs
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06:00<korencia>ottoshmidt irc://irc.gnome.org/gnome (the room #gnome)
06:00<ottoshmidt>korencia, I am there
06:01<ottoshmidt>korencia, are you in kde?
06:01<ottoshmidt>on
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06:02<korencia>ottoshmidt y
06:03<babilen>ottoshmidt: What is your problem?
06:04<mercutio22>The Canterbury distro. Is it true or just april fool's prank?
06:04<ottoshmidt>babilen, when choosing certain wallpapers it falls back to solid
06:04<ottoshmidt>on gnome
06:06<babilen>mercutio22: The Canterbury distribution has been worked on for quite some time. It is the first tangible result of the Debian Derivatives Frontdesk. We expect it to be fully released to the public after Debconf this year.
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06:06<mercutio22>babilen: sounds real cool!
06:07<babilen>ottoshmidt: That shouldn't happen and I am just as clueless as korencia because I do not use Gnome and have not experienced that behaviour.
06:07<babilen>mercutio22: Yes, it is an April Fool's joke ;)
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06:09<mercutio22>babilen: no kidding
06:12<mercutio22>the Free Software community is actually able to work together for a common goal instead of creating more diversity.
06:12<mercutio22>quote
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06:21<korencia>mercutio22 the Free Software community is just kidding -common on 1st April ;-)
06:22<koollman>well, they *did* work together for a common goal
06:22<koollman>they all redirected to the joke :)
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06:24<mercutio22>koollman: indeed they must have. d:-D
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06:25*babilen ♥ The Canterbury Distribution -- wonderful April Fool's. Kudos to whoever worked on this.
06:27<mercutio22>http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/04/msg00030.html
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06:28<babilen>mercutio22: yeah, sane date formats should be used in an international context
06:29<flower>reportbug itself is the package with the most segmentation faults here... :/
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06:30<flower>http://fpaste.org/N49b/
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06:31<babilen>flower: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609652
06:32<flower>hmm
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06:45<K0JIbKA>!canterbury
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06:47<Shitstorm>Does anyone know what could cause only being able to join one wireless network per boot. I've tried restarting networking and, depending on what I had installed, wicd and NM. I'm still only able to connect to one wireless network per boot.
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07:02<Shitstorm>Is there any good mailing list where I could ask this?
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07:08<babilen>Shitstorm: Ok, to get this straight ... You tried both wicd and network-manager but you can only connect to a single wireless network in the sense that you are not able to select a different one?
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07:09<babilen>Shitstorm: What do you mean exactly by "I've tried restarting networking" -- Which command did you use? Could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to http://paste.debian.net please?
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07:10<Shitstorm> babilen, I get to connect one wireless network, but once I move to a different location and try to connect to a different network; Well wicd which I'm using right now either doesn't show any networks or stops at "getting IP adresses"
07:10<Shitstorm>Oh I should change that nick...
07:10-!-Shitstorm is now known as Rovanion
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07:12<Rovanion>babilen, I ranetc/init.d/wicd stop && /etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start && /etc/init.d/wicd start. Will try to get those files out of my laptop
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07:19<Rovanion>Here's the paste babilen: paste.debian.net/112630
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07:22<babilen>Rovanion: Ok, that looks fine. Could you also paste an excerpt of /var/log/wicd/wicd.log that exemplifies the problem. (You might want to remove personal information such as ESSIDs and MAC addresses) I have not heard of this problem before and do not experience it myself.
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07:23<babilen>Rovanion: You might also want to look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=wicd for related/similar reports.
07:24<babilen>Rovanion: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565671 looks related (haven't read it completely yet)
07:25<Rovanion>babilen, I would think that it's neither in wicd nor NM or both because the same bug appears in both. But that's just my suspicion.
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07:25<Rovanion>babilen, But that last bug looks familiar
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07:28<babilen>Rovanion: You might want to try a setup without n-m or wicd, but directly with wpa-supplicant. If you run into the same behaviour with, for example, wpa-supplicant in roaming mode we would know that the problem is wpa-supplicant. The roaming mode is described in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz and /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf
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07:28<DeSeOzOh99>Hola
07:28<lah>olaa
07:28<lah>jeje
07:29<DeSeOzOh99>Hola a todos
07:29<lah>jajaj
07:29<babilen>Rovanion: The bug report asks for more detailed logs (in particular some with debugging mode enabled) -- You might want to provide those, as this would help to fix the bug faster.
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07:29<Rovanion>babilen, Hm, yes that would further the progress on the last bugreport quite some
07:29<DeSeOzOh99>Ablen
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07:29<lah>ola
07:29<DeSeOzOh99>Hola
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07:29<DeSeOzOh99>de donde sois
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07:30<lah>miguee??
07:30<DeSeOzOh99>k
07:30<lah>dile a la pau komo se hace ombre
07:30<babilen>lah, DeSeOzOh99: Stop talking to yourself and play somewhere else please.
07:30<lah>poregitaa xD
07:30<DeSeOzOh99>xDé
07:30<lah>enserioo
07:31<DeSeOzOh99>ya va
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07:31<DeSeOzOh99>ablen por favor
07:32<babilen>!es-social DeSeOzOh99
07:32<dpkg>DeSeOzOh99: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:32<DeSeOzOh99>holaaaa
07:32<babilen>!ops DeSeOzOh99
07:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: DeSeOzOh99
07:33-!-mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
07:33-!-mode/#debian [+q DeSeOzOh99!*@*] by Myon
07:33<babilen>Myon: Ta!
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07:34<babilen>Rovanion: Where were we? Ah, yes ... If you could paste that log file we might be able to spot something. I would also recommend to reply to that bug, confirm its existence and attach a (anonymised) log to that mail.
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07:39<lollypop_paradise>salut tlm
07:39<lollypop_paradise>des hommes de sherbrooke
07:40<Maulkin>!fr
07:40<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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07:41<lollypop_paradise>hi everyone some men from sherbrooke
07:41<Rovanion>babilen, How do I open /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz, must I extract it with tar or can I get it with man?
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07:42<Nemoder>Rovanion: zless
07:43<jm_>Rovanion: or vim
07:43<Rovanion>Thanks
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08:12<angelo>Ive compiled my own kernel .. but when it boots up after it says loading kernel the screen goes blank .. and my caps lock light flickers ... is there some kind of log where I can see what the exact error is ?
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08:14<jm_>angelo: no, flashing led-s usually indicate kernel panic, in this case it's likely unable to mount root fs
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08:15<angelo>jm_ : hmm so it's likely the kernel doesn't have the right SATA modules ?
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08:15<jm_>angelo: well you need to use initrd image if it's compiled as modules
08:16<angelo>no I've compiled everything in the kernel itself...
08:16<jm_>seeing kernel messages on screen would be a big step towards finding the reason
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08:18<angelo>how canb i see the kernel message on screen?
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08:18<jm_>ensure kernel is configured correctly, normally just enable VGA console and that's it
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08:24<jm_>the another problem hits you - when kernel panics due to no root fs, you can't scroll back - the solution is to use FB with tiny font so you don't need to scroll back, or initrd
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08:28<jww_>q
08:28<jww_>ops.
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08:30<angelo>initrd .. how do I setr that up ?
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08:31<jww_>angelo: imho it's easier to use small fonts.
08:32<angelo>jww_ : but the thing is ... I have FB compiled in kernel .. but nothing shows ... how would small fonts help tyhat ?
08:33<jm_>yeah investigate how you configured it, nowadays there's also KMS
08:33<angelo>ok tried something
08:33<angelo>compiling...
08:33<jww_>ew :\
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08:33<angelo>compiling on an atom is a bitch though .,,, slow ;)
08:34<jm_>why not compile it on a faster system?
08:34<angelo>that is a good question...
08:34<jm_>selecting vga works fine for my atom
08:34<angelo>I dunno .. if this doesn't work out Ill do the next compile on my desktop
08:35<angelo>ive selected vga now
08:35<angelo>what happened to bitchx btw ??? i havent run debian in quite some time .. and started using a week ago .. and bitchx is no longer a package
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08:35<angelo>I liked it though
08:36<ansgar>!bitchx
08:36<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
08:36<jm_>it was removed from debian
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08:36<nevyn>ansgar: it was aweful.
08:36<nevyn>angelo: irssii is the new black in terminal irc clients btw
08:37<angelo>yea so ive noticed
08:37<angelo>ah well ..
08:37<angelo>ircii runs fine too :)
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08:39<SynrG>irssi++
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08:57<edbian>I'm looking for any flac files in or below /home/me/Music. Why does this not work: find /home/me/Music/ -name flac/
08:57<edbian>I'm looking for any flac files in or below /home/me/Music. Why does this not work: find /home/me/Music/ -name flac\*
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08:57<jww_>what about find /home/me/Music -name '*.flac' ?
08:58<themill>edbian: they're probably \*.flac not flac\*
08:58<edbian>jww_: There it is! I thought the flac\* made it case insensitive?
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08:58<Donciakas>check for usage: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/ufind.htm
08:59<deux>hi everyone - does anyone know what are the packages debian considers "laptop" in the installation process?
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08:59<edbian>Thanks for the help
08:59<gsimmons>dpkg: tell deux -about laptop task
08:59<deux>also - do i need the use of granola (it's a power management tool) for debian?
08:59<jww_>edbian: yw.
09:00<edbian>what is yw ?
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09:00<jww_>you're welcome.
09:00<edbian>ah, thanks again
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09:14<pavi>Is www.debian.org hacked ?
09:14<pavi>Its redirecting me to another page !
09:14<pavi>The Canterbury Distribution :O
09:14<K0JIbKA>!1st april
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09:15<pavi>ohh
09:15<diederik>http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/01/1212219/Debian-OpenSUSE-Arch-Gentoo-and-Grml-Merge
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09:19<jichunjian>unjian
09:19<jichunjian>hey
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09:23<K0JIbKA>!dictd
09:23<dpkg>dictd is a dictionary network protocol (DICT) server. See /usr/share/doc/dictd/README.Debian.gz after package installation for a description of available dictionary databases. http://sf.net/projects/dict/
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09:29<CaBa>hi
09:29<SynrG>!tell K0JIbKA about self-tell
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09:30<stderr>Where are the Canterbury ISOs? Or just some torrents?
09:30<Donciakas>:)
09:31<Donciakas>try searchin'
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09:34<K0JIbKA> SynrG: what's 'self-tell'?
09:35<K0JIbKA> SynrG: I got it!
09:35<K0JIbKA>sorry
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09:41<marcos>Hola a todos!
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09:41<marcos>necesito que alguien me recomiende libros que hables de linux networking!
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09:42<marcos>si alguien conoce alguno se lo voy agradecer!
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09:42<babilen>!es
09:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:42<babilen>marcos: Or speak English in here :)
09:43<marcos>ok!
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09:44<babilen>marcos: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005481 might be worth a look
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10:10<angelo>VFS : unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0) <-- thats whne I get from my own compiled kernel ... where did I go wrong ?
10:11<petemc>you compiled your own kernel
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10:12<angelo>yes
10:12<angelo>well ..
10:12<angelo>I compiled a kernel from kernel.org :P
10:12<angelo>didn;t make it myself
10:12<jww_>angelo: check out if you included your hard disk controller.
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10:13<jhutchins_lt>angelo: Did you create an initramfs?
10:14<angelo>jww_ Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) <-- what module do I need for that one ?
10:14<angelo>jhutschins_lt how do I do that ?? I did compile initramfs support
10:15<Rovanion>Can I force aptitude to install a package? It complains that the package I want to install depends on an older libZ than is currently installed. And I want to install the package anyways
10:16<jhutchins_lt>angelo: It should be a part of the make process, but there's also mkinitrd and Debian has update-initramfs
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10:17<jhutchins_lt>angelo: Sorry, mkinitramfs not ...initrd
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10:17<angelo>what does mkinitramfs do ?
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10:18<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: Do you already have a mix of packages from different releases?
10:18<Rovanion>jhutchins, Well it is possible since I upgraded from lenny to squeeze.
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10:22<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: What package are you trying to install?
10:22<Rovanion>nautilus-dropbox
10:22<jhutchins_lt>angelo: makes the initramfs
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10:22<jhutchins_lt>,versions nautilus-dropbox
10:22<judd>Sorry, no package named 'nautilus-dropbox' was found in i386.
10:22<jhutchins_lt>!dropbox
10:22<dpkg>Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source dropbox.com client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see Debian bug #610257). The open source <Nautilus> plug-in is not currently packaged, <RFP> filed in Debian bug #544499.
10:22<Rovanion>jhutchins, It's from an external repo
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10:23<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: See if they have a squeeze version.
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10:24<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: That's a poor quality package if it specifies a single version of a lib.
10:24<babilen>Rovanion: Which package is that?
10:24<Rovanion>It depends on libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2) but 2.30.1-2 is installerat.
10:24<Rovanion>Yes they must have done a bad packaging job
10:25<jhutchins_lt>Rovanion: You could try installing it with dpkg, but look around for other Debian solutions.
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10:30<SynrG>i work in a mixed-OS workplace, using icedove on my Debian workstation while my workmates use various versions of Outlook on theirs. it is conventional for us to write HTML mails, giving us the ability to highlight things in colour, include links, tables, picutres, all the stuff that HTML is good for. within a closed community where everyone has HTML-capable clients, this is well and good. all good *except* for this one issue: ...
10:30<SynrG>... Thunderbird/Icedove quotes replies using vertical bars. Outlook (at least Outlook 2010, and possibly also 2007) merrily *ignores* these! any idea how to fix? :)
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10:30<SynrG>(20 minutes of determined google searching for an answer and i came up dry, so thought i'd toss it out here to see if anyone in the same boat has already solved it)
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10:35<Rovanion>I went with a dpkg -i --force-depends-version. This will come back bugging me each time I try to update the system right?
10:35<angelo>what module do I need to compile into kernel for this NIC > Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter
10:36<angelo>I don't see that chip in the network device list
10:36<angelo>kernel works now btw :) .. forgot to compile scsi disk support :D
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10:56<imam>hi all, anybody read the news about canterbury? it is on debian website
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10:57<imam>We are pleased to announce the birth of the Canterbury distribution. Canterbury is a merge of the efforts of the community distributions formerly known as Debian, Gentoo, Grml, openSUSE and Arch Linux.
10:57<imam>The target is to produce a really unified effort and be able to stand up in a combined effort against proprietary operating systems, to show off that the Free Software community is actually able to work together for a common goal instead of creating more diversity.
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10:58<cahoot>unlucky choice of date for announcement though
10:58<jhutchins_lt>imam: Do you have a calendar application installed?
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10:58<stderr>imam: Yes, and it's on /. too.
10:58<sney>SynrG: I think I saw something where you can change the thunderturd reply style to something with a more standard bunch of >s
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10:58<imam>no
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10:58<imam>it isnt april mop guys
10:58<oxan>imam: how do you know?
10:58<sney>SynrG: also, if you want mozilla software to do something, and it can't do it out of the box, plugins plugins plugins
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10:59<jhutchins_lt>OpenSUSE is a dead givaway there.
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10:59<imam>please take a look at their website , debian , arch , gentoo , opensuse
10:59<cahoot>as if the gentoo/debian junction would be less surprising
10:59<kop>cahoot:)!
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11:00<kop>It's not funny enough to take away the home page as a resource though. (Even though you can find it if you really try.)
11:01<sney>it's linked up at the 'stable' bit. not really taken away
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11:01<stderr>The debian logo too.
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11:11<antonio>giorno
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11:12<Falcon12>hello?
11:12<antonio>ragazzi qualcuno di voi usa php ad oggetti ?avrei bisogno di una manina
11:12<Falcon12>...
11:12<sney>!it
11:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:12<sney>hi Falcon12.
11:12<Falcon12>hi
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11:13<antonio>come faccio per associare ad un click di un pulsante un metodo di una classe ?
11:13<petemc>!it
11:13<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:13<Falcon12>how do i get my internet up once i use airodump?
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11:14<sney>!backtrack
11:14<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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11:14<Falcon12>it dosnt even let me use th internet
11:14<imam>hi all
11:14<sney>Falcon12: please go to the correct channel for the distro you're using.
11:14<Falcon12>and that is?
11:15<imam>does canterbury is real or just another april mop ? it is on debian website
11:15<sney>well you're playing with airodump so I'm guessing Backtrack 4, so please see what dpkg said a few lines up
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11:16<Falcon12>confusing
11:16<Falcon12>...
11:16<sney>it's only confusing because you opened xchat and pressed "connect" without reading anything.
11:17<imam>We are pleased to announce the birth of the Canterbury distribution. Canterbury is a merge of the efforts of the community distributions formerly known as Debian, Gentoo, Grml, openSUSE and Arch Linux.
11:17<imam>The target is to produce a really unified effort and be able to stand up in a combined effort against proprietary operating systems, to show off that the Free Software community is actually able to work together for a common goal instead of creating more diversity.
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11:17<sney>imam yes we've seen it
11:17<Falcon12>lol what was there to read?
11:17<jhutchins_lt>imam: Please stop spamming.
11:17<Rovanion>Can somebody help me set up a wpa-supplicant roaming wireless to give further info to this:http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565671 bug?
11:17<sney>the list of networks you could have connected to. the entry at the top said "debian servers," and it didn't cross your mind that, hmm, that doesn't sound relevant to what I'm doing
11:17<petemc>thats quote of the debian april fools
11:17<imam>jhutchins_lt: i'm not spamming
11:18<Falcon12>what server should i join?
11:18<imam>im just pasting the text from debian.org , and i ask here does anybody knows something about this , cause it is on debian website
11:18<sney>ubuntu servers and/or freenode. and the channel you want is #backtrack-linux
11:18<petemc>imam: check the date
11:19<stderr>imam: You were already told it was a joke.
11:19<Falcon12>ok ty
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11:20<imam>hmmmm
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11:27<Aleric>Wtf... Google stopped supporting debian's webbrowser?!
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11:27<pitufo>ola
11:27<Aleric>https://profiles.google.com/
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11:28<Aleric>That gives "your browser is no longer supported"
11:28<pitufo>kereis sexo?
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11:28<Rovanion>Aleric, Iceweasel 3.5?
11:28<Aleric>Rovanion: yes
11:29<Aleric>Is there a 3.6 for debian yet? I have 64 bit :/
11:29<Aleric>It's 2011 and still you can't fucking download a 64bit version of many things ... this is soooooooooo unbelievable!
11:29<Rovanion>Aleric, What version are you running?
11:30<Aleric>3.5.16
11:30<Rovanion>,versions iceweasel
11:30<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; wheezy: 3.5.17-1; sid: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3
11:30<sney>there are a few iceweasel backports available on mozilla.debian.net also
11:31<Aleric>Google only support 3.6 ... insane. Why isn't debian upgraded?
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11:31<cthuluh>because debian doesn't care much about google?
11:31<Rovanion>Aleric, That porably has to do with a lot of packages depending on xulrunner and Mozilla always breaking stuff with the next version of xulrunner.
11:32<Aleric>I'd change dist over a comment like that cthuluh, if you weren't a nobody that is :p
11:33<Aleric>Rovanion: Well... I use Google 100 times per day... so far it's only the profile page anyway, but it's really weird they stopped supporting 3.5 :/ Maybe there is some major security issue that we don't know about?
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11:34<stderr>Odd... I don't get any warnings at all when I visit that page using iceweasel on a squeeze box.
11:34<cthuluh>Aleric: well, just do it :)
11:34<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: Debian doesn't update it's packages just because something newer is available regardless of it's quality or stability.
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11:34<Aleric>stderr: Can you login to an google account and then visit http://www.google.com/profiles/me/editprofile?edit=a ?
11:35<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: I'm not seeing any errors on google.com or mail.google.com with 3.5.16 on squeeze/386
11:35<Aleric>jhutchins_lt: it's just profiles
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11:36<stderr>Aleric: Ah... Got it now.
11:36<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: No problem here.
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11:36<jhutchins_lt>Oh - "Your browser configuration is not supported". So what?
11:37<Aleric>I had the error once before.. but then reloading the page solved it. I'm thinking it has to be a bug. I don't believe that 3.5 is not supported :/
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11:37<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: They're just pushing chrome. 3.5.16 works fine, don't let it bother you.
11:37<Rovanion>Can somebody help me set up a wpa-supplicant roaming wireless to give further info to this:http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565671 bug?
11:37<Aleric>jhutchins_lt: What kind of remark is that? I can't get in at ALL.
11:37<jhutchins_lt>It explicitly says only Chrome and 3.6 are supported.
11:38<Aleric>How can I get in with 3.5.16 then? They divert me to that error page.
11:38<stderr>UserAgent Switcher... :-)
11:38<Aleric>How?
11:38<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: If I scroll down and scroll back up the error message goes away.
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11:39<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: Maybe you have some strange plugins that are affecting it. Works great here.
11:39<Aleric>I get https://profiles.google.com/not-supported/
11:39<Aleric>There is nothing to scroll there
11:40<jhutchins_lt>Aleric: I can even use google talk.
11:41<Aleric>I'll try clearing my cookies...
11:41<jhutchins_lt>Cool, another year of free land-line calls.
11:41<stderr>Aleric: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/ and pretend you're using a newer browser.
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11:51<stephan>Hi. i have a strange behavior with exim4. i have installed exim4 normaly but exim4 runs as root and not as debian-exim
11:51<stephan>where can i change the user?
11:51<SynrG>sney: yeah, i figured there ought to be some > solution (i was hoping *not* yet another plugin, though) without reverting from html -> text. will just have to dig deeper at mozilla site. tnx
11:51<mekt>jhutchins_lt: what's that about free calls?
11:52<stephan>i didn't find anything in the init script
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11:52<jhutchins_lt>mekt: google voice.
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11:52<babilen>(us only)
11:53<mekt>jhutchins_lt: you mean google voice will make US calls free of charge? also for users from outside US?
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11:53<petemc>no google voice outside us
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11:58<Aleric>I installed the UserAgent switcher and I still get the same error...
11:59<Aleric>I set it to: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110107 Iceweasel/3.5.16 (like Firefox/3.6.0)
11:59<Aleric>What else could I set it to?
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12:02<SynrG>Aleric: how do you know it's version string sniffing? if it's smart, it checks browser capabilities
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12:03<SynrG>they are saying your browser doesn't have all of the capabilities used on their site. that's fair enough. and spoofing it with a different version string isn't going to change that.
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12:03<SynrG>is there any *real* problem, or are you just complaining about the appearance of the warning message?
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12:04<Aleric>There is a real problem: I can't use google profile
12:04<SynrG>i can. and other people have told you they can.
12:04<jhutchins_lt>SynrG: He says the profile page redirects him. It doesn't redirect me. He's on 64, I'm on 32.
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12:05<SynrG>i don't belieev 64 vs. 32 would make a difference. in any case, what i get is a tidy little warning message at the top of the page that can be dismissed.
12:05<SynrG>believe*
12:05<Aleric>stderr said he could too, but then he said he got the error too.. I'm not convinced that it's my error if you can't reproduce it.
12:06<Aleric>If you want to really test it, then log into a google account and visit the page: http://www.google.com/profiles/me/editprofile?edit=a
12:06<SynrG>did you try -safe-mode?
12:06<Aleric>If that doesn't sent you to https://profiles.google.com/not-supported/ but seems to work, and you're on debian 'testing' 64-bit, then something is wrong here :/
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12:07<Aleric>I tried privacy mode and that works.. but that doesn't set any cookies does it? So that can hardly be very useful
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12:07<SynrG>seems fine to me. i clicked on scrapbook and edit profile pic and they came up fine.
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12:07<Aleric>Are you on 64bit?
12:07<SynrG>ok, i'll retest with 64-bit. sec
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12:08<Guest861>hola
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12:08<jhutchins_lt>Guest861: buenas.
12:09<Guest861>estoy experimentando en este sistema
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12:09<jhutchins_lt>!es
12:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:10<SynrG>Aleric: tests fine on iceweasel 3.5.16-4 on 64 bit. sec, just checking for updates ...
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12:11<SynrG>Aleric: upgrading to 3.5.17-1 and will retest
12:11<jhutchins_lt>Guest861: La mayoría de nosotros no hablan español.
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12:11<Aleric>I'm on 3.5.16
12:11<SynrG>you said testing. 3.5.17 is current in testing
12:12<SynrG>oh well. already upgraded. viewing and editing my profile works. anything else for me to test?
12:12<Aleric>no :/
12:12<SynrG>and did you test in -safe-mode?
12:12<Aleric>Then I don't understand why it doesn't for me.
12:12<Aleric>Add that as commandline option?
12:12<SynrG>yes.
12:13<jhutchins_lt>A list of pluggins installed might be enlightening.
12:14<SynrG>and if that fails to help, try "-P test" or something, to start with a fresh profile. you can use the profile manager to delete it after you are done testing.
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12:14<abcd82>how to deal with checkinstall, it inserts in almost every package it makes "icon-theme.cache" file, as a result i cant install that package because of conflict, need to repack it....
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12:14<SynrG>Aleric: er, by "profile" here, I now mean *iceweasel* profiles.
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12:16<Aleric>just -safe-mode without disabling anything I still get the same error.
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12:16<SynrG>so there may be something else in your iceweasel profile that causes this. test with a fresh one now
12:16<Aleric>If I check the boxes to disable something, will it still work like it does now when I restart the browser normally? I talks about resetting stuff :/
12:17<SynrG>only for this session
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12:17<SynrG>ah ... right ... safe-mode doesn't fix anything by itself except when you explicitly disable it
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12:17<SynrG>i forgot about that bit :) but no worries, when you exit the browser and start again, those things will come back. it's not permanent.
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12:18<SynrG>Aleric: ignore what i said about a test profile, as -safe-mode provides for that as well
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12:18<SynrG>since it allows you to change all settings to iceweasel defaults
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12:21<Aleric>Same error
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12:22<SynrG>maybe a region-specific issue with google?
12:22<Aleric>Note that I FIRST switch to the google groups
12:22<Aleric>otherwise I don't have this link available to profiles at all...
12:23<SynrG>ok. i go to groups.google.com, then click my profile ...
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12:23<SynrG>that goes to my groups profile, and there's a link there to edit my profile ...
12:24<Aleric>Sure that works
12:24<SynrG>this just gives me a standard form. doesn't look all fancy compared to profiles.google.com. have i missed something?
12:24<Aleric>But then you're NOT on profiles.google.com
12:25<Aleric>I have at the top:
12:25<Aleric>Starting 07/01/2011, you will not be able to make changes to your Groups profile. Your profile information will be available for export from your profile until 11/01/2011.
12:25<Aleric>in a yellow rectangle
12:25<Aleric>If you see that too then you're on the wrong page
12:26<SynrG>ok. i see on the top bar my name, linking to http://google.com/profiles and *that* redirects me
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12:26<babilen>works without a problem here with IW 4.0-3 from experimental
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12:26<SynrG>so it's *only* by following the link that you get this redirect
12:27<SynrG>not reproducible by entering http://google.com/profiles in the location bar
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12:27<SynrG>instead of this nag page, i get a tidy little message in red at the top, which can be dismissed
12:27<fiku>hi, I've got a question about PKI management in Debian
12:27<Aleric>SynrG: I suppose you are member of some groups? Open one of you groups pages... Assuming you're still using the old styles you should see on the right side something saying "View this group in the new Google Groups" do you see that link?
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12:28<canaima>canaima
12:28<SynrG>Aleric: so, complain bitterly to google support. this is not a debian problem.
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12:28<SynrG>Aleric: look, i already told you that i reproduced the problem. case closed. :)
12:28<SynrG>not doing any more on this. i have to get back to work
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12:28<Aleric>SynrG: If you click on that you come to the new group stuff and THEN try to get to your profile.
12:28<Aleric>SynrG: I will, but it would be nice to hear you get the same error then.
12:28<SynrG>you really need to take it up with google (or use the workaround i indicated above)
12:29<Aleric>which doesn't work I told you
12:29<SynrG>what? then take *that* up with google. my workaround works fine for me. did you, with a fresh browser instance go directly to http://google.com/profiles and it still fails?
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12:30<fiku>is there any software, that allows to simplify Certificate management (alsa availble via web service) including verifing, signing requests, etc? I'll be facing deploying small PKI service - so far I've found DogTag PKI, but i'ts available only for RedHat'ish distros
12:30<Aleric>SynrG: yes, with -P TESTPROFILE -safe-mode and turned everything off, then directly going to that url fails.
12:31<SynrG>right. complain to google. i don't think debian can help you here.
12:31<sney>Aleric: you can also install 3.6 or 4.0 from http://mozilla.debian.net/
12:31<Aleric>I'm starting to doubt that will help if it works fine for SynrG
12:32<sney>I think actually running 3.6 would be very likely to solve a problem where a website is explicitly asking for 3.6
12:33<SynrG>sney: but it remains a mystery why the redirection only kicks in for certain people and/or following certain links
12:33<SynrG>maybe this is due to google's CDN being in transition, half-updated or something?
12:33<SynrG>in which case tomorrow, we may see different behaviour
12:33<Aleric>Grrrr and using -safe-mode even with -P TESTPROFILE *DID* erase all my tabs!!!
12:33<sney>yeah, I was just going to suggest dns tomfoolery
12:34<Aleric>@$#!@$%@##$!@%#$%!@$!@%!@$ I HATE It when I lose my tabs!
12:34<SynrG>Aleric: no. you're in TESTPROFILE now. and i told you to ignore that
12:34<Aleric>Why? I just started the browser again as I always do
12:34<Aleric>it it forget everything it seems
12:35<SynrG>it remembers your last profile choice
12:35<SynrG>not only did i say to ignore that advice ...
12:35<SynrG>but i also said earlier, if you did follow that advice, you could use the profile manager afterwards to delete the test profile
12:35<Aleric>You said that 10 minutes too late, of course I already had started it!
12:35<SynrG>i take it you haven't done that.
12:36<SynrG>the man page is really helpful here :)
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12:36<SynrG>iceweasel -ProfileManager
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12:37<SynrG>delete the profile. all will be well in the universe again :)
12:37<Aleric>ok I deleted it (I never used that before) and it's back to normal
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12:37<SynrG>for future reference, -safe-mode is less work and accomplishes the same thing.
12:37<SynrG>(something that was *not* apparent merely from reading the man page. sorry0
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12:41<ALIVE>someone here is interested in learning Portuguese?
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12:44<Hydroxide>ALIVE: That is not the purpose of this channel, even though it's a fine activity elsewhere. :-)
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12:46<ALIVE>Hydroxide learn Portuguese is not precluded discussion about the debian distribution, so it is possible to fit in with this channel
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12:47<Hydroxide>ALIVE: if you are talking about software in debian to learn portugese, I agree. if you are offering tutoring services, that's a great thing to do, but it's off-topic here.
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12:48<SynrG>ALIVE: please rephrase your question as a debian support question. then we'll be able to judge it on relevance.
12:48<plus>I am trying to build a package for the perl module Hailo for my own system, but I have run into an error: It seems to think I don't have a recent enough version of MouseX::GetOpt (>= 0.2601), but I have the latest version built (as a debian package) and installed from CPAN (0.33-1). I'm not sure what to do in this scenario. Here's a link to the log of me trying to build hailo: http://paste.debian.net/112612/
12:48<ALIVE>Hydroxide I'm not Sizzling these services then we agree
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12:51<ALIVE>SynrG Hydroxide you guys are the moderators of the channel?
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>plus: CPAN
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12:53<plus>jhutchins_lt: what about it
12:54<jhutchins_lt>plus: It can be a better way to manage perl packages if you're working with serious perl.
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12:54<plus>Well, I'm grabbing the sources from CPAN and building them as debian packages...
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12:55<plus>I've tried just using cpan -e 'shell' or whatever and telling it to install the module, but I'm worried that it may conflict with my debian-installed perl modules
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12:55<plus>I mean I've tried doing that *in the past*
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12:56<SynrG>!tell ALIVE about off-topic
12:56<sney>oh hi plus.
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12:57<plus>hi sney
12:57*jhutchins_lt notes that there has been more complaining about off-topic than there has been off-topic.
12:58<SynrG>jhutchins_lt: and your complaining about complaining about off-topic helps?
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13:01<sney>well plus it looks like you have a mix of cpan-managed and debian-managed stuff anyway
13:02<jhutchins_lt>sney: Sounds like it's all debian managed to me.
13:02<dondelelcaro>yeah, you're better of using dh-make-perl if you need something that Debian doesn't already package
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13:02<jhutchins_lt>RedHat had some sort of attempt at integrating cpan sources with RPM.
13:02<jhutchins_lt>I think they dropped it.
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13:05<sney>plus: did the libmousex-getopt build go without trouble? anything weird while it was installing?
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13:07<plus>sney: yeah, no, it's fine
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13:08<plus>sney: http://paste.debian.net/112674/
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13:09<Franki>hi
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13:11<Kayron>Hello...I have a question. I’m using cksfv on a 32bit system. It seems to only report half the size of files...could this be related?
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13:11<Kayron>if so, how can I fix it?
13:11<Franki>The IRC page in the Debian wiki says there is no #debian-xserver channel? Is there a way to make the screen refresh sync to vblank with X.org and the nouveau driver? prefereable using some sorg.conf options. THX
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13:13<Franki>I'm using Debian's shipped 2.6.32 kernel
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13:14<sney>Franki: #debian is the general support channel, so you're in the right place
13:14<babilen>Franki: Create a configuration snippet for the "Monitor" section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d -- and read "man xorg.conf" → "MONITOR SECTION" and in particular the discussion of the HorizSync and VertRefresh option.
13:15<babilen>Franki: Is it not identified correctly?
13:16<Franki>babilen: it is identified correctly, and HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf doesn't change anything. I'm using a LCD flat panel
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13:17<babilen>Franki: What are you trying to fix then?
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13:17<jhutchins_lt>!noueau
13:17<jhutchins_lt>!nouveau
13:17<dpkg>Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian for important notes. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask about <nvidia>.
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13:18<sret>hi
13:18<sret>how do i search for a particular txt file that contains the word figlet in it?
13:19<sret>i know it was a txt file, but i just dont remember the name or where i put it
13:19<Franki>babilen: I got tears when moving windows around, watching movies etc... obviously the xserver never synchronizies its vertical refreshing to the vertical blanking period
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13:20<babilen>Franki: I would suspect this to be a problem with nouveau driver. You might want to try the nvidia one -- /msg dpkg nvidia -- to check if the problems persists
13:21<sret>any ideas?
13:21<jhutchins_lt>sret: grep
13:21<sret>jhutchins_lt: find . | xargs grep figlet?
13:21<sret>ok nvm
13:21<sret>thanks
13:21<jhutchins_lt>grep -r figlet .
13:22<Franki>babilen: thx, I don't want the nvidia one
13:22<jhutchins_lt>grep -r figlet ./*
13:22<babilen>Franki: It would also be interesting to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- paste it to http://paste.debian.net
13:22<Franki>btw: I just found this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODcwMw
13:22<jhutchins_lt>sret: for all I know find has a parse text option too.
13:22<sret>grep -r figlet ./* doesnt return anything
13:22<sret>jhutchins_lt: yeah i read about find, but i cant ifnd my unix book
13:22<jhutchins_lt>sret: Use whatever correctly specifies the files you wan to search.
13:22<sret>find + xargs + grep
13:23<jhutchins_lt>Don't se the need for find.
13:23<jhutchins_lt>Just grep directly.
13:23<Franki>obviously nouveaus started adopting this as a new feature a while back, question is, does the xserver-xorg from squeezy stable already have this version? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODcwMw
13:23<sney>or use a for loop
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13:23<sret>ok
13:23<sney>squeezy!
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13:23<sney>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
13:23<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; wheezy: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; sid: 1:0.0.16+git20101210+8bb8231-2; experimental: 1:0.0.16+git20101210+8bb8231-2+exp2
13:23<Franki>!version xorg
13:23<sret>dammit if i lost that txt file, i wrote down all the stuff i learnt in it...
13:23*sret sighs
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13:24<Franki>!version xserver-xorg
13:24<babilen>Franki: I doubt it
13:24<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg
13:24<judd>Package xserver-xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; wheezy: 1:7.5+8; sid: 1:7.6+5
13:24<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
13:24<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; wheezy: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; sid: 1:0.0.16+git20101210+8bb8231-2; experimental: 1:0.0.16+git20101210+8bb8231-2+exp2
13:24<sney>Franki: looks like it's the git pull from march 29, 2010, and that feature was new in october
13:24<jhutchins_lt>sret: There are indexing tools like beagle as well.
13:25<sret>jhutchins_lt: what does that do?
13:25<Franki>nouveau absolutely needs this feature. Can this be pulled to stable?
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13:25<babilen>jhutchins_lt: beagle, tracker or recoll might come in handy too
13:25<sret>!beagle
13:25<dpkg>Beagle is an indexing and search tool for personal data. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #579567. http://beagle-project.org/
13:25<sney>Franki: the version in sid is new enough. /msg dpkg ssb to backport it yourself
13:26<Franki>I don't use sid
13:26<sney>please read the whole line
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13:26<Franki>ok, so then maybe call xorg backport maintainer
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13:26<sney>argh
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13:27<sney>a 'ssb' is a sid self backport. you put some specific things into your sources.list, you follow some instructions, bam, you have a .deb of the new software you need.
13:27<sney>when I say /msg dpkg ssb that means you should type that in your irc client, so our bot dpkg can teach you how
13:27<babilen>sret: take a look at tracker and recoll
13:28<sret>babilen: ok
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13:28<babilen>,depends xserver-xorg-video-nouveau --release sid
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13:28<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libdrm-nouveau1a (>= 2.4.23), libudev0 (>= 146), xorg-video-abi-8, xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.8.99.904).
13:28<sret>this was actually written using gedit, are all gedit files .txt?
13:28<jhutchins_lt>Yesterday was World Backup Day
13:28<sret>or gedit has a particular extension?
13:28<Franki>recompiling myself, for xserver-xorg this is only a last resort. the amount of messy files and stuff this creates...
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13:29<Franki>I'm rather waiting for backports to have a binary package
13:29<sret>!tracker
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13:29<babilen>sret: /msg dpkg tracker
13:29<babilen>sret: Or: "aptitude show tracker"
13:29<sret>dpkg doesnt know
13:29<dpkg>sret: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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13:32<babilen>Franki: It looks as if you would have to backport a bunch of dependencies as well if you were going to take that road among them Xorg itself. So it looks as if you either have to live with that issue for now or try the nvidia driver.
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13:39<Franki>babilen: I have tried several times to compile xserver-xorg myself, it always failed! But other things like custom kernel or some terminal based editor did work...
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14:05<sret>so
14:05<sret>beagle is not in active development anymore, installed tracker
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14:10<jhutchins_lt>sret: So. Backups?
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14:11<sret>im trying using tracker now
14:11<sret>but tracker doesn't even show what it's doing.
14:12<sret>under search: i typed in figlet and it doesn't even say if it's searching or not
14:12<sret>is there sometihng else i should be doing here besides just typing in the search "string"?
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14:21<sret>doi have to modify tracker.cfg or something?
14:22<sney>read the man page
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14:22<sret>the friggin man page says tracker preferences
14:22<sret>http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/documentation.html
14:22<sret>i dont even see a tracker preferences here, all i see is tracker in Accessoriess and that doesn't do jack
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14:27<Franki>funny thing is, I even managed to compile the nvidia driver for testing stuff, but never to compile the xserver-xorg, and also never the gcc. Why is that? It's a while back though
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14:30<jhutchins>Franki: The nvidia driver is packages so that it's easy to compile. Something like gcc or xserver is a really complex system with a lot of options (and a lot of ways to mess up).
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14:33<nutnut>Hello, I have installed Squeeze on a workstation at work, with 4 monitors (using 1x pci nvidia graphics card and 1x pci-express ati card) aptitude won't let me install ati drivers alongside nvidia, is there a logical debian way to approach this issue so I can have drivers installed for both graphics cards?
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14:34<samir>helo
14:34<sney>nutnut: for ati all you need is xserver-xorg-video-radeon and firmware-linux-nonfree, which shouldn't conflict with nvidia dkms at all. what method were you using?
14:35<samir>i use nvidia gs7200 512mb
14:36<nutnut>sney I was mostly guessing if im brutally honest, I installed nvidia-glx and tried to install fglrx-driver
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14:36<sney>nutnut: ok. install the 2 packages I mentioned (the first is probably there already) and /msg dpkg nvidia dkms for the rest of the instructions
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14:37<sney>!tell samir about nvidia dkms
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14:41<nutnut>I got disconnected, sorry... what was the commands to talk to dpkg regarding the nvidia settings?
14:42<sney>/msg dpkg nvidia dkms
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14:42<nutnut>thank you sney
14:42<sney>nutnut: although, depending on the age of the pci card and what you're doing with it, nouveau might be enough
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14:44<sret>well
14:44<sret>tracker blows
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14:44<sret>and the devs themselves think it does for the current version that comes with squeeze since it's like old they say
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14:44<sret>doesnt even launch the status icon, modify the location in indexing preferences and it reverts back to ~/
14:45<babilen>sret: backport a newer one -- /msg dpkg ssb
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14:45<sret>so besides tracker beagle is there anything else
14:45<sret>or i just give up and not search this file?
14:45<jhutchins_lt>sret: Developers will ALWAYS diss a packaged version of their software.
14:45<nutnut>sney how do I now install the ati drivers to not conflict with the nvidia ones?
14:45<sret>jhutchins_lt: they just said it's buggied
14:45<babilen>I mentioned recoll earlier -- but last time i've used tracker I was quite happy with it.
14:45<sret>if i cant search for the whole file system
14:45<sret>then that is the point though
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14:46<sret>and they dont know of the version with squeeze since it's old is what they said
14:48<jerryclunsford>does anyone know where canterbury will leave us.
14:48<sney>nutnut: unless your ati card is *brand spanking new* it already has drivers in X. the xserver-xorg-video-radeon is the driver and firmware-linux-nonfree is the binary blobs it needs to work fully. you most likely do not need fglrx
14:48<sney>jerryclunsford: check your calendar
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14:48<nutnut>sney OK thanks,
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14:53<trompette>hi guys !
14:53<trompette>i have a problem at boot time
14:54<trompette>during keyboard initialization
14:54<sney>what happens
14:54<trompette>it's trying to create a temporary file, but /tmp is readonly
14:55<trompette>(because of LVM)
14:55<towo`>mailto:620228@bugs.debian.org
14:55<towo`>grr
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14:55<towo`>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620228
14:56<trompette>i found this bug report
14:56<trompette>but there is no workaround...
14:57<towo`>Yes, there were changes that caused this error message. It is, however,
14:57<towo`>more or less harmless
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15:01<trompette>towo`: i know :)
15:01<trompette>but there is an error when i boot !
15:01<sney>does your boot proceed normally otherwise
15:01<trompette>yep :)
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15:02<towo`>trompette, then install the previous version of keyboard-configuration
15:02<sney>then relax. upstream is probably working on it, and it's nothing you need to worry about. If you don't want to see it, install plymouth
15:02<towo`>and the error will be gone
15:04<trompette>i don't mind the error, i never reboot my desktop
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15:05<trompette>i was just checking if there was a quickfix
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15:05<trompette>thanks for your help
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15:05<sexy>hey
15:05<heinvd>ehlo everyone
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15:06<trompette>hey sexy !
15:06<trompette>(i've always wanted to say that irl...)
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15:06<heinvd>im having problems with postfix
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15:07<heinvd>postfix/cleanup[4724]: fatal: connect #11 to subsystem private/rewrite: Connection refused
15:07<heinvd>keep on getting that in my mail.err log
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15:08<heinvd>im using postfix saslauthd with mysql database for virtual users domains and alias
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15:09<heinvd>i googled the problem, but each post is leading me into very confusing directions... help would be much appreciated
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15:09<sney>heinvd: have you tried asking in #postfix on freenode?
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15:10<heinvd>channel #postfix?
15:10<heinvd>cool, didnt know there was one...
15:10*sret tries recoll
15:10*sret dumps tracker
15:10<sney>you'll have to connect to irc.freenode.net to see it
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15:13<jhutchins_lt>sret: Once again, backups.
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15:16<heinvd>ugh.... sorry... i didnt know its gonna log me out of this one...
15:16<heinvd>lol
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15:17<heinvd>please give me the irc server for the postfix again plz ;)
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15:17<Aleric>..
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15:18<devil>heinvd: could it be #postfix ?
15:19<Aleric>[21:10] <sney> you'll have to connect to irc.freenode.net to see it
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15:19<heinvd>ah thanks aleric.... and sney, and devil ;)
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15:19<heinvd>cool
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15:21<sret>babilen: how do configure recoll?
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15:29<sret>anyone using recoll here
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15:37<Robin>http://www.debian.org/ << i suppose this is an april fools' joke?
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15:37<pparadis>Robin: see also arch, opensuse, and gentoo sites :)
15:38<Robin>lol
15:38<Robin>they did a neat job xD
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15:40<sret>heh figured it out
15:40<sret>found my file
15:40<sret>recoll wins:D
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15:41<jhutchins_lt>sret: NOW backups?
15:42<Robin>hmm what a coincidential choise for a name xD
15:42<Robin>The earliest recorded association between April 1 and foolishness can be found in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales (1392).
15:42<sret>jhutchins_lt: oh backup data?
15:42<sret>jhutchins_lt: yeah :D will do this evening
15:42<jhutchins_lt>sret: Backup your system so there's no need to panic if you DO delete something important.
15:43<sret>jhutchins_lt: just one thing though these search tools have indexing, so like everytime your system has new files you need to update the index?
15:43<sret>is that what it means by indexing?
15:43<jhutchins_lt>sret: Usually they lurk in the background looking for file changes and index when they find them. That can cause problems.
15:44<sret>i dont know if it lurks in the background but what sort of problems?
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15:44<sret>there's an option to update indexing here, so i was just wondering if it mean that
15:46<sret>either way thanks
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15:47<Texou>hi
15:48<cthuluh>lo
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15:48<Texou>I've a strange thing: sending a bug to evolution I get a number: 9999999 (and I tried twice, twice the same number). A problem? April fish? or bug of reportbug. As smtphost I use reportbug.debian.org
15:50<Texou>cthuluh: hey :D
15:50<cthuluh>;) (no idea, btw)
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15:50<tharkun>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 \n W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100 || should i worry or is it a normal complaint?
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15:51<cthuluh>don't worry unless you have this particular card
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15:54<tharkun>cthuluh: how do i find what card the machine is using?
15:54-!-Orpheon [~Orpheon@84-73-146-130.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
15:55<tharkun>cthuluh: lsmod does mention the e100 module
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15:55<tharkun>but it does work after rebooting ;P
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15:56<lee-0>the message should go away after you install the firmware package
15:56<pparadis>tharkun: lspci for general info.
15:56<cthuluh>no need to install crappy firmwares if your network card is performing ok
15:57<lee-0>how do you know if doesn´t work better with the firmware?
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15:57<pparadis>tharkun: lspci | grep -i ethernet
15:58<tharkun>,pciid 8086:1050
15:58<judd>[8086:1050] is '82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e100' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1050
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15:58<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: For most applications the e100 firmware isn't needed, just some special server versions.
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15:58<pparadis>right-o, some VMs will emulate e100 as well.
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16:00<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: on that particular server it runs smtp pop3 imapd dns postgres dhcp and maybe some obscure irc client at most
16:01<tharkun>I do not see anything fancy that might cause problems. Or am i wrong on my apreciation?
16:01<sney>I think jhutchins_lt just meant special server NICs
16:01<pparadis>"if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
16:01<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: Do you have direct access or is it remote?
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16:01<jhutchins_lt>sney: Yes.
16:01<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: direct phisical access.
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16:02<pparadis>tharkun: see also --> http://www.ylatis.com/darkon/humor/flochart.html
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16:02<jhutchins_lt>No problem then, if it doesn't boot, go back to the old kernel and add firmware (or use a rescue disk).
16:02<lee-0>jhutchins_lt: How do you know what a particular firmware does and if it´s needed?
16:02<tharkun>pparadis: lol
16:02<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: it rebooted ok
16:02<pparadis>tharkun: that flowchart is pure wisdom.
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16:08<jhutchins_lt>Oldie but goodie.
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16:08<jhutchins_lt>lee-0: I know this one because I have an e100, and our lug has an e100 that wouldn't come back on line without the firmware.
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16:09<jhutchins_lt>lee-0: Usually there's a little more information available, like "you WILL need the firmware".
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16:09<jhutchins_lt>!b43
16:09<dpkg>b43 is the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
16:10<jhutchins_lt>!ath9k
16:10<dpkg>[ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, see <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
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16:10<sney>jhutchins_lt: don't make me cluebat you with !msg the bot
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16:10<jhutchins_lt>sney: Was hoping for a firmware example.
16:10<jhutchins_lt>sney: I usually have a dedicated window open to it.
16:11<sney>iwlwifi is a good one.
16:11*pparadis goes to install squishyware on a server.
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16:12<retrospectacus>pparadis: is that a Microsquash product?
16:13<pparadis>it is. i bought it from Macrohause for $19.95.
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16:16<lee-0>jhutchins_lt: Hm, I haven´t seen any info on realtek firmware yet.
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16:22<whthef>what's wrong with debian.org
16:23<whthef>is this some kind of total takeover?
16:23<Aleric>Too many people downloading the new distribution?
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16:23<whthef>no, a defaced page
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16:23<Aleric>I think it's awesome, indeed much easier to install than debian anyway.
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16:24<lord_rob>debian is not hard to install
16:24<whthef>or it is my dns server acting up, is any one seeing the same I see?, a bunch of crap?
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16:26<Aleric>whthef: You calling the Canterbury distribution crap? I think it's an amazing acomplishment.
16:26<whthef>Aleric: when was it announced?, for me it is news
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16:26<Aleric>Now I think of it, I should probably join #canterbury and get ops, before we move this channel too.
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16:27<rudenstam>whthef: today
16:27<Aleric>whthef: Well.. basically the *official* announcement was today, 1 April 2011.
16:27<whthef>without discussions or previous anything?
16:27<Aleric>Only in secret, there is a history on the site too.
16:28<whthef>I mean, is there any reference to this merger anywhere else
16:28<whthef>comn
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16:28<rudenstam>opensuse.org for example
16:28<retrospectacus>http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110401
16:28<rudenstam>gentoo.org haven't changed layout yet.. but the news is there as well
16:28<rudenstam>I assume it's on Arch and Grml also
16:29<jhutchins_lt>whthef: Is your calendar working?
16:29<Aleric>It's a well coordinated effort.
16:29<rudenstam>jhutchins_lt: boooo!
16:29<whthef>Hmm, as far as i remember debian is supposed to be a community distro, w/o sudden announcements
16:29<Aleric>My stomach is hurting a bit... hmm
16:29<jhutchins_lt>whthef: Check the other distro's sites too.
16:29<Aleric>I might be getting sick you think?
16:29<amphi>whthef: http://www.archlinux.org/ also
16:30<jhutchins_lt>whthef: There are links at the logos on the announcment(s).
16:30<chealer>whthef: the Debian Project was 18 years old, and everyone knows it was rotten to the core. it was about time to do something about it.
16:30<amphi>Aleric: something you ate, no doubt
16:30<whthef>what about discussions on the mailing lists, is there any reference?
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16:30<jhutchins_lt>whthef: Where are you from?
16:30<Aleric>Oh well, there are always people to complain. You're not the only one. Man... loads and loads of forem posts.
16:30<whthef>moon
16:31<Aleric>Hey, I live on the moon too :)
16:31<jhutchins_lt>Do you have any traditions there associated with certain calendar days?
16:31<Aleric>Well in an underground moon base, you?
16:31<whthef>cmn guys, a shit like this that can not be traced to existing discussions is HIGHLY suspicious
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16:32<rudenstam>whthef: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day
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16:32<whthef>ohh shit, i didnt realize
16:32<whthef>sorry, april 1st
16:32<Aleric>I don't understand though why they didn't merge the Afool distribution too-- that is a rather new distribution, but it has merits.
16:32<Aleric>lol
16:32<Aleric>I even spelled out the date whthef :p
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16:33<Aleric> <Aleric> whthef: Well.. basically the *official* announcement was today, 1 April 2011.
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16:33<whthef>he he, got me, totally
16:33<jhutchins_lt>Raise your hand if you have NEVER been punked by an April Fool's Day joke.
16:33<whthef>lol, crap, any ways, out to moon base again
16:34<whthef>bye-till-20120401
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16:49<rudenstam>hello.. I have trouble with my network interfaces, for some reason both my external 100 mbit nic and my internal gbit nic gets set to "negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok"... I'm using cat6 cables and my internal nic is connected to a gbit netgear switch.. The lights on the switch indicate gbit link and activity... Any advice?
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>rudenstam: Sounds like the internal link is fine. How are you determining how the outer nic is connected?
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16:55<rudenstam>I'm on 100 mbit fiber and after reboot I get 11.x MB/s speeds from internet
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>rudenstam: Possibly an upstream problem?
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16:56<jhutchins_lt>rudenstam: So cycle the external nic and see what it says.
16:56<rudenstam>jhutchins_lt: spoken with technician on the ISP.. and as stated, reboot solves it temporarily
16:56<retrospectacus>yeah "Internet" has to be able to send at that speed too eh
16:56<retrospectacus>literally, some other machine
16:56<rudenstam>jhutchins_lt: define "cycle"
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16:57<jhutchins_lt>ifconfig down/up
16:58<rudenstam>jhutchins_lt: ah.. okay..
16:58<jhutchins_lt>rudenstam: Does it degrade with time or what?
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16:58<rudenstam>jhutchins_lt: seems like it starts out fine.. and then after a while I get at most 10mbit from the outside
16:58<rudenstam>brb (I think)
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17:01<rs>jhutchins_lt: ifup/ifdown eth1 and I'm back at 11 MiB/s
17:01<jhutchins_lt>rs: How are you determining speed?
17:01<rs>ftp download
17:02<jhutchins_lt>rs: You should be 100, right?
17:02<rs>yes.. 11 mibibytes/s
17:02<rs>I found this... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561851.. so I guess mii-tools might be lying to me still
17:02<rs>I wonder why my speed goes bad then
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>rs: It could be bad hardware. Half or Full duplex?
17:05<jhutchins_lt>rs: You could try NOT autonegotiating.
17:06<rs>it might be the crappy via rhine card yes
17:06<rs>I'll see if I can get hold of an intel
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>rs: ethtool say anythi8ng different?
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17:06<rs>ethtool sais Full
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17:07<rs>and I seem to recall it said full when I had the slower speed as well
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18:24<tharkun>Gentlemen how is the factoid that explains how to make a package out of upstrem?
18:24<tharkun>called?
18:24<babilen>nmg? dh-make? checkinstall?
18:27<tharkun>babilen: kind of funny to have two different conversations with the same person on two channels called the same.
18:27<babilen>I just thought the same :)
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18:29<cannesahs>any nice way to hang machine in single user mode? I need to test hardware watchdog.
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18:31<babilen>cannesahs: hang?
18:31<babilen>!single user mode
18:31<dpkg>[single-user mode] Enter 'telinit 1' as root to switch from multi-user to single-user mode. To enter this mode at boot, GRUB: choose the "single-user mode" (GRUB Legacy) or "recovery mode" (GRUB 2) boot option; LILO: press the left shift key when LILO appears, then add '1' to the boot prompt (e.g. 'LILO: linux 1').
18:31<cannesahs>babilen: crash
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18:33<cannesahs>make kernel unresponse over 60s
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18:35<lee-0>cannesahs: you could try to focefully unload a module
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18:36<cannesahs>lee-0: not bad idea
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18:40<cannesahs>hmm... default debian kernel is not configured with config_module_force_unload? btw.. why /proc/config.gz is not in use :(
18:40<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: ssb?
18:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 480] by debhelper
18:41<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: nope i was looking for uupdate i just found it
18:41<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: although ssb will workn on this case ;P
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18:42<tharkun>the package to use to compile for a different architecture would be debootstrap right?
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: It could be useful in doing so, yes.
18:44<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: thanks i rather keep the server totally clean and compile on my laptop
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19:34<edbian>I liked the idea of amazon's web based music player but it doesn't play ogg format! I'm not going to convert my entire Library. What other options are there out there for me? How hard would it be to set up something similar on my personal server?
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19:35<tsoliman>edbian: what are the features of it?
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19:36<edbian>tsoliman, You upload your files to their cloud storage. You can play the files via a web based music player. (it doesn't support ogg)
19:36<tsoliman>so it is like MEDIATOMB + player?
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19:37<warrenchild>hello!! I am using Debian for Smaba Shares, and I have everything set up right, except when a user creats a folder, it gives it to only read permissions for her group instead of read and write permissions any one have a clue why? her main group is the group experianceing the issu as well, thanks in advanced
19:37-!-frewo64 [~frewo64@p5491B46D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:37<tsoliman>warrenchild: pastebin your share section (bottom of the smb.conf)
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19:38<tsoliman>warrenchild: maybe put create mask = 0664 and directory mask = 0775 in it?
19:38<edbian>tsoliman, I don't know. What players can you use with MEDIA-TOMB
19:39<warrenchild>tsoliman: here you go http://pastebin.com/a9EqfKWS
19:39<tsoliman>edbian: it is a UPNP server that gives you a website of music .. so you can click any music file on the webpage and it plays
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19:39<tsoliman>edbian: you can use it with any player that supports UPNP, I use one on my nokia n810
19:39<jhutchins_lt>edbian: I just keep mine on a central fileserver, mount the share and use amarok. If I wanted to, I could use a shared database, but so far I haven't made the effort.
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19:40<edbian>I've tried MEDIA-TOMB before but I wasn't able to find a decent player for it.
19:40<tsoliman>warrenchild: you're missing directory mask .. put directory mask = 0775
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19:40<warrenchild>the creat mask = 0765
19:40<warrenchild>is that not the same?
19:41<tsoliman>warrenchild: create mask = files .. directory mask = directories
19:41<warrenchild>thank you so much
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19:41<tsoliman>warrenchild: dont thank me until it works :)
19:41<warrenchild>haha yea I am testing now
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19:42<warrenchild>do I have to restart samba server to make the changes in smb.conf stick?
19:42<tsoliman>warrenchild: you can reload I believe
19:42<tsoliman>warrenchild: restarting is better if you can afford it
19:43<warrenchild>I need to reload...
19:43<edbian>jhutchins_lt, so simple it's brilliant. Thanks!
19:43<warrenchild>do you knwo the command off hand?
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19:44<warrenchild>found it thank you
19:44<tsoliman>warrenchild: /etc/init.t/samba reload
19:44<tsoliman>if that doesn't work then restart instead of reload
19:44<warrenchild>okat
19:44<warrenchild>okay*
19:44<tsoliman>I always restart because I only have 2 users
19:44<warrenchild>thunar
19:45<warrenchild>worked perfectly thank you tsoliman:
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19:45<tsoliman>no problem
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19:45<cipher>is debian seriously some 30gigs?
19:45<cipher>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1a/i386/iso-dvd/?
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19:46<pparadis>for absolutely everything, i'll believe that.
19:46<tsoliman>cipher: don't get it .. I did that with sarge
19:46<cipher>I would rather do a lfs
19:46<tsoliman>because of popcon and the like, 99% of everything anyone needs is on the first 2 disks
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19:46<babilen>!tell cipher -about netinst
19:46<pparadis>yeah, either the first two discs or a netinstall for a minimal system.
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19:47<cipher>I just want networking xorg and fluxbox working :p
19:47<babilen>cipher: Do you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation?
19:47<tsoliman>I always netinstall
19:47<pparadis>netinstall is my buddy.
19:48<tsoliman>babilen: yes .. and if you don't then you need a newer kernel in the installer
19:48<babilen>tsoliman: I don't follow
19:48<cipher>Alright I think i will use the net installer.
19:49<cipher>Do you guys know of any other 300mb or less distros that are nice (with an installer)?
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19:49<jhutchins_lt>cipher: dsl, puppy.
19:49<pparadis>i honestly use debian on pretty much everything these days, haven't found a need for anything else in a long, long time.
19:50<cipher>I am on ubuntu atm and hate it
19:50<cipher>and thanks
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19:50<tsoliman>I started with debian in 2005 so I don't really know anything else
19:50<tsoliman>(before 2005 I was on windows)
19:51<tsoliman>cipher: DSL?
19:51<geordie>in 1999 i installed debian on a laptop with 4 megs of ram and 100 meg drive
19:51<pparadis>damn small linux.
19:51<geordie>that was tricky
19:51<tsoliman>I think DSL and Knoppix are debian-based
19:52<pparadis>my fave debian install was getting it onto an older RS/6000 box to replace AIX.
19:52<tsoliman>and I think (although I might be confused) that they install as debian
19:52<pparadis>null modem goodness.
19:53<tsoliman>cipher: do you mean 300 MB of "media" or 300 MB of installed footprint?
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19:54<pparadis>i believe you can get a usable install in ~150-200M.
19:55<pparadis>(actual install footprint)
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19:55<tsoliman>I need to deal with lkml
19:55<jhutchins_lt>!dsl
19:55<dpkg>i heard dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux on irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>)
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19:56<tsoliman>!lkml
19:56<dpkg>i guess lkml is the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Read http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/
19:56<tsoliman>!moo
19:56<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
19:56<tsoliman>HAHAHAHA
19:56<pparadis>apt-get install cowsay
19:57<tsoliman>I thought if someone made a bot say things like "I heard" and "I guess"
19:57<tsoliman>then "The DEVs thought of everything" applies here
19:57<pparadis>!mudkips
19:57<pparadis>darn
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19:57<tsoliman>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything
19:58<tsoliman>alright .. enough OT from me
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20:00<flaccid>i have this weird problem with 6.0.1 where i can't install collectd package because it won't restart via postinst
20:00<flaccid>Restarting statistics collection and monitoring daemon: collectdNot restarting collectd.
20:00<flaccid>invoke-rc.d: initscript collectd, action "restart" failed.
20:02<tsoliman>you can add debugging in the postinst script or the init.d script
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20:02<flaccid>tsoliman: like just sh -x /etc/init.d/collectd restart?
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20:03<tsoliman>does it restart now?
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20:03<flaccid>tsoliman: nope still exits 1
20:03<tsoliman>wait you're trying to install or upgrade?
20:03<flaccid>install
20:04<flaccid>so its an up to date 6.0.1 and this is what happens installing collectd
20:04<tsoliman>let me try on one of my stables
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20:04<tsoliman>I was going to say put set -x inside the init script
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20:05*tsoliman realizes this machine is not up to date
20:06<flaccid>tsoliman: http://dpaste.org/Lu3q/
20:06<flaccid>weird thing is this doesn't happen on this other box
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20:06<tsoliman>yeah I was gonna say "works for me"
20:07<flaccid>tsoliman: which arch?
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20:07<tsoliman>i386
20:07<tsoliman>all of them are i386
20:07<flaccid>the failing one is i386
20:08<babilen>flaccid: This is your first attempt to install collectd? What does "cat /var/run/collectd.pid" give you?
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20:08<flaccid>it doesn't exist
20:08<tsoliman>does /usr/sbin/collectd exist?
20:08<tsoliman>also does /etc/collectd/collectd.conf exist?
20:08<babilen>flaccid: What about /var/run/collectdmon.pid ?
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20:09<tsoliman>babilen: ah yes good eye .. I missed that
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20:09<flaccid> /var/run/collectdmon.pid does not exist, the rest do
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20:10<babilen>flaccid: Please also answer my first question. What does "dpkg -l collectd|tail -n1" give you?
20:10<flaccid>iF collectd 4.10.1-1+squeeze2 statistics collection and monitoring daemon
20:10<flaccid>failed in postinst due to not being able to restart
20:11<tsoliman>you can "force" it and pray
20:11<tsoliman>and by force it I mean edit the postinst not to restart
20:12<flaccid>thats not going to solve the issue unfortunately
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20:12*tsoliman has been in side too long
20:12<tsoliman>s/side/sid/
20:13<babilen>I wonder why it should want to restart if it was installed for the first time. Please add "set -x" in the second line of the postinst script of collectd in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and run "dpkg --configure -a"
20:13<babilen>(and paste the output)
20:14<flaccid>http://dpaste.org/WM5j/
20:14<flaccid>i have no idea why the binary exits 1 without any verbosity
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20:15<flaccid>collectd -h works
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20:15<flaccid>i.e. just seeing if the binary actually executes by showing usage
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20:16<flaccid>maybe i shouldn't of used this mit mirror heh
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20:18<tsoliman>so if you take the postinst restart out it installs fine but never starts?
20:18<tsoliman>I mean you get the same failure on regularly starting it?
20:18<flaccid>well i can do that and see if my collectd conf works
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20:18<flaccid>though the default blank conf should start with it and does on this other box
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20:21<babilen>flaccid: Ok, one thing I still don't understand and would like to clarify: You changed absolutely nothing in regard to collectd and this happens during the very first installation of collectd?
20:21<flaccid>correct
20:21<flaccid>its a fresh instance in ec2 cloud from a fully up to date fresh 6.0.1
20:21<flaccid>but that was from the mit error hmm who can you trust
20:22<babilen>error == mirror ?
20:22<tsoliman>babilen: I thought the postinstall of most daemons restarted them because of upgrades and it was the same post install script for both installs and upgrades
20:22<flaccid>it seems that way. i don't see a need to start collectd but it does
20:23<babilen>tsoliman: it is the same script yes
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20:26<flaccid>ok so i can comment out the restart in postinst
20:26<flaccid>i'll try to install my conf now
20:26<babilen>flaccid: What does "/usr/sbin/collectd -t -C /etc/collectd/collectd.conf" give you? (execute "echo $?" afterwards too)
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20:27<flaccid>exits 1 with nothing else
20:27<babilen>and /etc/collectd/collectd.conf is in place?
20:27<flaccid>yep stock from pkg
20:28<flaccid>hmm i wonder if FQDNLookup true has something to do with it
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20:28<babilen>flaccid: That command checks the configuration for errors and exits with a return code of != 0 if there was one.
20:29<flaccid>trying to get those errors is another story
20:29<babilen>That is what is causing the script to fail .. I wonder why the default config fails to validate though
20:29<flaccid>yep i'm thinking this fqdn look up is the issue
20:29<flaccid>just proved it
20:29<flaccid>another recipe is incorrectly setting the hostname in /etc/hosts
20:30<flaccid>sorry for the false alarm, but thank you very much for the help
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20:30<babilen>So, if you set that to false "/usr/sbin/collectd -t -C /etc/collectd/collectd.conf" returns 0 and "dpkg --configure -a" (or rather the postinst/init script) works?
20:30<flaccid>i'll do a purge and reinstall
20:30<babilen>flaccid: recipe?
20:30<flaccid>chef recipe to set hostname
20:30<babilen>ah, wonderful
20:31<flaccid>i'll show you that and what i propose, because this is clearly not good
20:31<babilen>flaccid: Ok, can we conclude that this is not a bug in the collectd package, but due to a configuration error? It is still unfortunate that the package fails to install though.
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20:32<flaccid>i went to add foo.bar.suf and it did 127.0.0.1 localhost foo.bar.suf.localdomain in addition to 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
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20:32<babilen>flaccid: you want 127.0.1.1 (or the real IP) for that
20:32<babilen>!127.0.1.1
20:32<dpkg>127
20:33<flaccid>keep 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain and add 127.0.1.1 for the node as per the doc?
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20:33<babilen>flaccid: no
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20:34<babilen>flaccid: One second ... http://qref.sourceforge.net/quick/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dns
20:35<flaccid>yep thats pretty much what i said
20:35<babilen>flaccid: don't use localhost.localdoman if you have a real domain and use the real IP instead of 127.0.1.1 if you have one
20:35<flaccid>currently this is what was being used https://github.com/rightscale/cookbooks_public/blob/master/cookbooks/rs_utils/recipes/setup_hostname.rb
20:36<flaccid>this is what i made https://github.com/flaccid/cookbooks/blob/master/cookbooks/sys/recipes/hostname.rb
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20:37<babilen>flaccid: Forgive me if I don't read those recipes now :)
20:37<flaccid>hehe
20:37<babilen>And I prefer puppet anyway ;)
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21:54<lodurr_>hi someone could helpme ?? i want to install and configure 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.?
21:55<abrotman>judd: pciid 0bda:8176
21:55<judd>[0bda:8176] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0bda:8176
21:58<uno>try http://jecxjo.sdf.org/aur/rtl8192ce_linux_2.6.0005.1116.2010.tar.gz
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22:06<lodurr>uno doesnt work :S i think that my problem is that i have Debian amd64
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22:09<uno>ahmm
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22:13<Guest46>need help with supergrub
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22:18<camilaFT>hi guys... is there a way to boot a chroot linux using grub?, i have wheezy installed in /dev/hda3, and i have "Sid" in a folder can i boot it from grub?
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22:19<Aleric>camilaFT: yes, but I have no idea how.
22:19<camilaFT>Aleric: ok. now i know that i can be done thanks...
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23:09<kop>I've got a laptop with an lcd that does 2048x1536 but does not seem to have EDID. (At least there's no mention of edid in the logs.) How do I find out how to set the horiz and vertsync values? The owner's manual is no help.
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23:18<amitz>google has no iinfo on your laptop type?
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23:21<kop>amitz: Not that I can find. (An old alianware area51.) I can find the owners manual, but there's about 4 different lcd options and I happen to know which I've got but can't tell what anybody else has.
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23:22<kop>amitz: I've not searched much to see if somebody else has an xorg.conf I can steal from, but I sure can't find the specs of the lcd.
23:23<pparadis>amitz: \o
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23:23<kop>Damm thing worked under lenny. :P
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23:23<sney>kop: well, vertsync would generally be 60 for any laptop LCD excepting the very new ones
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23:24<kop>sney: Thanks. I thought so but am ignorant. That's a start.
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23:24<sney>and I'm thinking 31.5 for horiz? I'm not sure where that number came from but I'm feeling moderately convinced
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23:26<kop>sney: I've tried a Horz of 28-64 (which somehow came from my lenny xorg.conf) and that just gets me a "shrunk" screen. Only about half the screen area is used --- the upper left.
23:27<kop>Horiz
23:27<sney>hmm
23:27<amitz>pparadis: are you stalking me? :-o
23:29<kop>Meanwhile I'm trying to get a font size on the console that's large enough to be readable, but figured I'd better do the X stuff first. (After my lenny->squeeze _none_ of my boxes have a readable font size on their console.... But I thought I'd start with the laptop because it's in front of me.)
23:29<amitz>kop: this is squeeze, right? perhaps lenny works? can you pull its xorg.conf?
23:29<kop>amitz: That's the first thing I tried.
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23:46<kop>My basic problem is I'm afraid to frob the Horiz for fear of frying hardware.
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23:46<sney>I think if you go out of range it'll just fail with an 'out of range' and 'no screens found'
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23:51<kop>*sigh* I'd hate to fry it. I recall the the original IBM PC design was such that you could make the monitor literally catch fire. I don't have faith that they're not pushing stuff out the door so fast they don't bother to make it failsafe, or fail-work anyway.
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23:52<sney>I don't think that's possible with an LCE
23:52<sney>LCD*
23:53<kop>sney: I wouldn't say that overheating a chip is out of the question, but ok. I'll give it a try and see what happens.
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