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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-04-02

---Logopened Sat Apr 02 00:00:08 2011
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00:08<kop>I hate it when I accidently kill the xserver.
00:08<kop>Anyway, bumping the top end of the Horiz and VertSync ranges did not help. I still get only half the screen used.
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00:09<kop>I'll probably have to drag out some dreaded mode lines.
00:09<abrotman>is this an old laptop ?
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00:11<kop>abrotman: At this point, yes. I can't find a date anywhere but it's got to be at least 5 years old.
00:12<abrotman>i'm asking because i had an old cpq laptop where the windows video driver played games with the display .. and in linux, it would be at full resolution and have a black border of an inch or so around the displayed desktop
00:12<kop>abrotman: User's manual is from 2002.
00:12<kop>abrotman: Here it's just using the upper left. (But worked in lenny.)
00:12<abrotman>oh .. nevermind then ..
00:13*abrotman goes bakc to sleep
00:13<kop>I'm going to try working from the lenny xorg.conf. I don't think I tried just changing the driver name (which changed lenny->squeeze.)
00:13<kop>I just get tired of fussing with it, then have to start over again later, and again later...
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00:33<pabs>is there a way to print out the commands that will be run by the jobs listed in the output of atq?
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00:47<ayaka>I can't use ifconfig any more I don't know what is the proglem
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01:08<ayaka>I add /sbin and /usr/sbin in PATH will not cause security problem?
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01:11<cthuluh>no it won't
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01:17<ayaka>cthuluh, thank you
01:17<cthuluh>ayaka: /sbin/ifconfig is cheap to type, though
01:18<cthuluh>and /var/spool/cron/atjobs/a0000f014b0ba8if you have the iproute package installed, then you have ip(8) which is in the default PATH, iirc
01:18<cthuluh>oops, damn keyboard :P
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01:19<ayaka>cthuluh, /var/spool/cron/atjobs/a0000f014b0ba what is it?
01:19<cthuluh>ayaka: it's the path to an at(1) job I've just created to see if I could answer pabs' question
01:20<cthuluh>pabs: but the answer seems to be no unless you're root
01:20<ayaka>cthuluh, I see
01:20<pabs>cthuluh: hmm, how very annoying
01:20<cthuluh>pabs: or if you're in the daemon group
01:20<cthuluh>s/if/unless
01:22<cthuluh>pabs: I wouldn't recommend adding yourself to the daemon group, though
01:22<pabs>agreed
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02:21<acez0>ehlo
02:21<K0JIbKA>hi all!
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02:54<alvarezp>Hi.
02:55<alvarezp>Does fonts:// work for you in GNOME? (Debian Stable and Sid)
02:55<spieva>czesc
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02:57<vook>is there a debian test channel where I can experiment with !dpkg ?
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03:15<jcarlos>I'm trying to install debian squeeze with debootstrap in an ARM machine. I get "*.deb was corrupt" messages all the times ... am I missing anything ?
03:15<jcarlos>Any bug in debian armel archive ?
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03:17<cannesahs>try also #debian-arm channel, if none here knowns
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03:17<jcarlos>cannesahs: Thanks
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03:21<vagvafos>hello, i'm trying to update/upgrade my debian testing through chroot using an ubuntu live usb. but apt-get update fails to update successfully, any ideas?
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03:27<pparadis>vagvafos: what's in your /etc/resolv.conf in the chroot?
03:28<vook>vagvafos: did you mount /dev and /sys prior to chroot ? not sure if that would matter, but it's an important step prior to chrooting
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03:28<vagvafos>vook : no , pparadis : just a commented line: #generated by NetworkManager
03:29<pparadis>if it isn't populated with any nameservers (and it likely isn't if you're using DHCP), you'll need to exit out of the chroot, copy /etc/resolv.conf to /path/to/mounted/disk/etc/ and then chroot back into it.
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03:30<vook>or you can do 'echo nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf' while in chroot
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03:30<pparadis>vook: that's cheating :)
03:30<vook>ya, it's a google dns though right ?
03:31<pparadis>as an aside, 8.8.8.8 took a poop earlier this evening, which caused all sorts of fun with my network here (i used dnsmasq with that set as the upstream).
03:31<hardbop200>hi - I need a simple fileserver (running debian, of course) for the house, something low power, I'm familiar w/ nslu2 and sheevaplug, is there anything else I should look for? (cheap, low power)
03:31<Osiris_X>I am trying to use cgget to see my cgroups details, but I am so how not specifying the cgroup name or path correctly. Can soemone give me an example
03:31<pparadis>i couldn't resolve google.com... because google's DNS was pooped.
03:31<vook>heh
03:31<pparadis>had to slap in alternate public resolvers for an hour.
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03:33<cannesahs>there is reason for listing multiple nameservers :)
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03:33<cannesahs>was 8.8.4.4 pooped too?
03:33<zakV3>sorry
03:33<pparadis>hardbop200: i've used mini-itx stuff for that sort of thing before, but these days it isn't worth the trouble in my book, and i use a garden variety ATX tower with a lot of disks and a decent RAID controller.
03:33<pparadis>cannesahs: yah
03:33<zakV3>&server irc.freenode.org
03:33<ravenbird>(server takes no arguments) -- Returns the server the bot is on.
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03:34<pparadis>cannesahs: both were unhappy here earlier, along with some other random stuff. the internet is fun sometimes.
03:35<cannesahs>hmm, I guess you can define atleast 3 nameservers in resolv.conf
03:35<hardbop200>pparadis: thanks!
03:35*vook is curious about the power savings of something like nfs or afs vs those other fs's mentioned
03:35<pparadis>also, "options rotate" is handy.
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03:36<vook>maybe sshfs
03:36<pparadis>ewww, that really should be a last resort.
03:36<pparadis>i'm not saying it isn't handy when you need it, but it's really not a good first option.
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03:38<vagvafos>vook, pparadis : i'm rebooting, let's see if it works :P
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05:36<Guest161>Hi There : Can anyone help mee with configuring Squid3 proxy?
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05:55<amitz>what have you done so far Guest161?
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06:43<ladoga>is there easy way to install wicd without installing HAL in testing?
06:45<ladoga>for some reason wicd depends on hal, even if it doesn't need it
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06:48<jstein>digikam crashes here in debian testing. I open it and after it was started i close by clicking on the [x] then it raises a KDE Bugreport window. This is the output on console: http://paste.debian.net/112735/ what can i do to find more info about the crash?
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06:56<Osiris_X>if I use the following command "cat <source_file> | sed -f <sed expressions file> > <output_file> with a 6 line sed file. Does it apply all 6 lines to each line of the source file, or does it apply each line of the sed file to the whole source file in turn
06:56<Osiris_X>?
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07:05<cthuluh>Osiris_X: it all depends on your sed program, but usually all the lines of the sed program are applied to each line
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07:05<cthuluh>Osiris_X: I suggest /join-ing the ##sed channel on irc.freenode.net
07:06<Osiris_X>thanks cthuluh
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08:11<nutterpc>need extra people to help me test the kernel im working on for the eee (yes i know its directed at the eee chan, asked in there and its quiet too, lol)
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08:27<Max_452>hi
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08:31<winsen1>hello everybody
08:33<winsen1>can i make partitions in stick usb like HD? i mean install sys in , make partition ext4, etc..?thank you
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08:39<mehdi>how can i change my wlan channel?
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08:40<cahoot>on the router?
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08:40<Dattebayo>no on my laptop
08:41<abrotman>eh ... the AP is the one that sets the channel
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08:50<angelo>anybody who can point me to a tutorial page how to make console and X run on dual screen ??
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09:21<eshat>what is a good tool to see network traffic on a server ?
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09:23<abrotman>in what way?
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09:23<eshat>terminal based
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09:23<abrotman>yes .. to see what?
09:23<abrotman>aggregate? at that moment?
09:24<eshat>no, with history
09:24<eshat>if that is called aggregate
09:24<abrotman>dpkg: dict aggregate
09:24<dpkg>Dictionary 'aggregate' (2 of 10): amount in the aggregate to ;; formed of separate units in a cluster; "raspberries are aggregate fruits".
09:24<abrotman>fail
09:25<eshat>like RRD
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09:29<Guest187>does anyone know why debian does not come with faac installed by default. for the commandline?
09:29<abrotman>faac ?
09:29<abrotman>probably some copyright
09:29<abrotman>!dmm
09:29<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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09:30<Guest187>cool thanks will add it to my source list
09:30<Guest187>trying to convert mp3 to m4b
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09:30<themill>(there's also no way it would be installed by default anyway)
09:31<Guest187>ok cool thanks
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09:34<eshat>abrotman: thanks, apt-cache search "network traffic" and vnstat seems to do what I want
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09:45<jjholt>I am having a problem with the monodevelop package. It installs fine but upon running the program I get the following error
09:45<jjholt>System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
09:45<jjholt> at GLib.Object.NotifyCallback (IntPtr handle, IntPtr pspec, IntPtr gch) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
09:46<SynrG>as in:
09:46<SynrG>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=462965
09:46<SynrG>?
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09:46<SynrG>you'll notice that was filed over three years ago.
09:48<jjholt>I don't even get that far it crashes at the splash screen
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09:49<SynrG>jjholt: in any case, it may be indicative of poor health of the package in general.
09:50<SynrG>for instance, since December 2010 there has been a version in experimental. now that Squeeze is released, i wonder what the holdup is moving this to unstable?
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09:52<SynrG>more worrying is the maintainer has made no comment on this old bug (able to reproduce or not? forwarded to upstream?
09:53<SynrG>jjholt: maybe shop for a different mono IDE? or do you really need to use this one?
09:53<themill>SynrG: the maintainer is usually quite responsive
09:53<SynrG>hmm
09:53<SynrG>just ping this bug then?
09:54<SynrG>i didn't look over all the others ...
09:54<SynrG>maybe this is a different one? or a new one?
09:54<jjholt>If I could find one that could import my project I am not tyed to it
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09:54<SynrG>you say the symptoms present a bit differently
09:54<themill>jjholt: which version of debian is this?
09:54<jjholt>squeeze on powerpc
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09:56<jjholt>SynrG, yeah monodevelop doesn't even fully launch before crashing
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09:58<Guest187>does anyone know any way to convert mp3 to m4b using the command line?
10:00<themill>jjholt: is it crashing when you just start "monodevelop" or when you start "monodevelop myprojectfile.fooproj"?
10:00<jjholt>themill, just monodevelop
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10:01<SynrG>jjholt: ah. powerpc may be a different matter.
10:01<themill>I would expect ppc to be somewhat less tested than i386/amd64, but still....
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10:02<themill>jjholt: ok. I've prodded the maintainer although I think he's afk at present. You'll find the mono team in #debian-cli and they might know more -- either to fix it, to test out fixes or at least to report a bug with the details they need.
10:02<SynrG>jjholt: ah. this is the relevant one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547289
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10:02<SynrG>jjholt: the bug reporter is on ppc, too
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10:03<SynrG>jjholt: on the books since Sep 2009, so you may be out of luck :/
10:03<SynrG>jjholt: next, find upstream's bug tracking system and see if there's anything there.
10:05<jjholt>was working on Unbuntu 9.10 but I upgraded to 10.04 and lost nearly all hardware support so I thought I'd give Debian a try
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10:05<jjholt>since I had made a net install disc
10:05<SynrG>oh. that's a bit of relevant info, then. same upstream version? or different?
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10:06<SynrG>if the same, check the ubuntu changelog for any sign of such an issue being fixed.
10:08<SynrG>jjholt: so you don't have any info about whether it worked on 10.04 or not?
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10:09<jjholt>no because my graphics card stopped working in X at that point
10:09<SynrG>jjholt: 9.10 had a much older monodevelop
10:09<SynrG>2.0
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10:10<themill>#547289 is reported against 2.0 too
10:10<ompaul>jjholt: so are you saying that you do or don't have a working desktop environment in debian at this time?
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10:11<SynrG>themill: ah? hmm. how did it manage to work for jjholt then? strange
10:11<jjholt>In debian after tweaking xorg.conf I do have gnome running
10:11<ompaul>ok
10:12<themill>SynrG: nfc. It may be related to installed packages or dfsg repacking rather than an upstream change.
10:12*themill handballs it off to #debian-cli
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10:25<rakan>ننننننننننن
10:25<rakan>fuck
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10:32<eshat>tell rakan about language
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11:24<elena>hola
11:24<elena>kien eres
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11:24<themill>!ubuntu-es elena
11:24<dpkg>elena: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
11:25<elena>hola
11:25<elena>hay alquien
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11:43<grummund>Hi, any recommendations to which package is best for tunneling ssh through an http-proxy?
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11:43<keith>Hello everyone.
11:43<sney>hi
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11:43<keith>I'm looking for some assistance with a mod_perl 2 issue after upgrading from lenny -> squeeze.
11:44<sney>this is the support channel, ask your question and give lots of details
11:44<keith>On a fresh squeeze install everything works fine.
11:44<keith>On any systems we upgraded from lenny to squeeze the tie() interface in perl is broken.
11:44<keith>Calling perl from the command line and tie() to GDBM or MLDBM databases works just fine.
11:45<keith>The exact same code running in mod_perl 2 fails.
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11:45<keith>Strace comparisons from a working and non working server show that the mod_perl 2 call to tie() doesn't even excute the open() system call on the gdbm/mldbm file.
11:46<lee-0>grummund: What exactly are you trying to do?
11:46<keith>As a test I built a GDBM library from source and added print statements in gdbmopen.c and that code never gets executed.
11:46<keith>Our organization has cutstom Apache authentication handlers that use mod_perl 2 and Apache2::AuthCookie.
11:47<keith>Those handlers use GDBM databases to store session information server side.
11:47<keith>Any mod_perl2 gurus around today?
11:48<diederik>Hi, I have an Asus M4A87TD/USB3 MB with VT1818S (audio) chipset, using HD Audio
11:48<grummund>lee-0: in a nutshell, gain a tcp connection to remote server, where the only connection with the outside world is via a http proxy
11:48<diederik>When installing a new kernel I usually see warnings about possibly missing firmware
11:49<diederik>and with Phonon (KDE) I regularly see a msg about removed devices.
11:49<grummund>lee-0: i see there a few packages claiming to do that, just looking for recomendations
11:49<lee-0>grummund: What if you just use ssh over port 80?
11:49<diederik>Despite that it seems to be working.
11:49<grummund>lee-0: no that's blocked
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11:49<diederik>Should I fix the issue and if yes, how?
11:49<lee-0>grummund: Well, you could use whatever port the proxy has open.
11:50<grummund>lee-0: how?
11:50<petemc>keith: are the versions of packages the same?
11:51<lee-0>grummund: Let´s assume the proxy has port 8080 open to handle connections to the clients. So I guess from behind the proxy, you would use port 8080, and on the remote site, you´d use port 80.
11:52<lee-0>grummund: I´m not sure if it just works since the proxy might modify the data going over the port.
11:52<lee-0>grummund: Still you should be able to use https connections ...
11:53<grummund>lee-0: well of course... that's why there are tunneling applications, i'm just asking for views on the ones included in debian
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11:53<lee-0>grummund: Ah, I see. I haven´t tried any of them, sorry.
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11:54<lee-0>grummund: Perhaps proxytunnel does what you´re looking for?
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11:55<grummund>lee-0: perhaps... or maybe connect-proxy, or corkscrew, or desproxy, or httptunnel, or ... ;-)
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11:58<lee-0>grummund: Hm, going by the descriptions of these packages, httptunnel und proxytunnel sound good to me.
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12:11<keith>petemc: yes they are on both systems.
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12:51<alin>Has anyone tested Gnome 3.0 yet?
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12:52<babilen>tried gnome-shell some months ago, but it is no replacement for my window manager. I liked what I saw though
12:52<babilen>gnome3-shell that is
12:52<alin>babilen: Thanks for replying. I didn't care for Gnome Shell either. What I'm wondering is if Gnome 3.0 will also include a "Gnome Classic" of sorts.
12:53<alin>I love my current Gnome desktop, but I'm unwilling to sit on obsolete software.
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12:53<babilen>alin: *shrug* -- You might be better off in #gnome on irc.gnome.org
12:54<alin>babilen: Thanks, I'll tab over there. :P
12:54<babilen>alin: From what I heard the answer is "No", but I am not sure. Ask upstream :)
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13:00<alin>babilen: Turns out the code just landed a couple days ago for a "fallback mode" which is meant to look and act more like the Gnome 2.3 we all know and love.
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13:00<babilen>alin: Wonderful -- Thanks for letting me know.
13:00<abrotman>dunno, i liked the shell
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13:01<babilen>I too, but I guess not everybody does and providing a fallback will tame the shitstorm
13:01<alin>Absolutely. I would hate to have to leave Gnome for XFCE or something just cuz I require more function than the Shell offers.
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13:01<abrotman>yay .. "Why doesn't squeeze have kde3?!?!?"
13:01<babilen>abrotman: exactly :)
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13:02<alin>Luckily, Gnome 3.0 is only a few days away, so we'll see for ourselves soon enough.
13:02<alin>Eww, KDE... /shunshunshun
13:02*abrotman wonders if wheezy will have 2.x and 3.x ....
13:02<abrotman>judd: versions gnome-shell
13:02<judd>Package gnome-shell on i386 -- experimental: 2.91.92-1
13:02<abrotman>hrm .. oh well
13:03<abrotman>alin: it's not about kde or gnome .. it's that people didn't like kde4 and wanted to stay with kde3 ... kde3 is dead upstream, and squeeze didn't release with kde3 .. some people were upset
13:04<alin>abrotman: I
13:04<alin>'ve been reading a bit about that.
13:04<alin>It's unsettling to have such fundamental software turn on you like that.
13:05<abrotman>but it's not like gnome-shell/3 is unusable .. the initial kde4 releases were panned as being horribly buggy,etc
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13:05<abrotman>but the gnome-shell i have here is pretty old
13:06<abrotman>2.29.x ... that's ancient
13:06<q69>anybody with Backtrack 4 here?
13:06<alin>The issue to me is that I shouldn't be forced to use a new layout that I don't like.
13:06<abrotman>q69: wrong channel, try #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
13:06<alin>The option to stick with the previous layout should remain without having to stay on obsolete software.
13:06<abrotman>alin: you're always welcome to continue coding/fixing gnome2.x
13:06<q69>ok
13:06<q69>thx
13:07<alin>abrotman: I'm sure there will be a niche group that sticks to that, but what about the upstream software that comes out with Gnome 3.0-optimized updates?
13:08<abrotman>alin: you're screwed? What happens when your tv only has an analog tuner?
13:08<abrotman>your car only takes leaded gas?
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13:08<abrotman>you still have a VCR?
13:08<abrotman>get the idea?
13:08<abrotman>Betamax!
13:08<alin>Well, yeah, but none of that is as personal as a desktop environment (imo)...
13:09<alin>I have Gnome 2 set up with Compiz and Docky to be the most beautiful and functional desktop I've ever used.
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13:13<meglaw>so booting x is fine now but it wont give me a keyboard.. cant type... when kdm stops it says cant find pc104 or pc105 or dell
13:13<meglaw>idonno wht to do
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13:28<deux>hi every - if i have multiple folder (one for /home, /tmp etc) would i be able to install format the debian volume (which is it btw) and install the new debian, and the files on home will be intact?
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13:28<deux>multiple volumes, sorry
13:28<eXp`iRc|37405>salve
13:28<eXp`iRc|37405>!list
13:28<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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13:29<eXp`iRc|37405>stronzo manda via tua sorella
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13:44<Osiris_X>How do I change the permissions on an ntfs-3g partition on a usb external hd that was auto-mounted by gnome?
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13:47<juser>"aptitude install rng-tools" gives "Trying to create /dev/hwrng device inode..." ".udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation." ? See http://paste.debian.net/112785/
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13:48<meglaw>pls help me get keyboard working in x
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13:49<ompaul>meglaw: does it let you log in?
13:49<MrFrood>meglaw: id there anything unuasual about your keyboard?
13:50<meglaw>when im already loged in in consoe yes
13:50<meglaw>but i cnt typy
13:50<meglaw>MrFrood: laptop, and i have a external usb
13:50<ompaul>does the laptop keyboard work
13:51<meglaw>jupp
13:51<meglaw>in console
13:51<meglaw>not x
13:51<ompaul>why do you not use kdm or gdm or some such?
13:51<meglaw>i use kdm"
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13:52<ompaul>so on the kdm screen does it let you type your name?
13:52<meglaw>no
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13:52<ompaul>please try to type numbers not your name in that dialog box
13:53<meglaw>tryed every key
13:53<meglaw>no return
13:53<ompaul>have you a second machine and does that box run sshd?
13:53<meglaw>no
13:54<meglaw>my main box died and this laptop is all i have
13:54<ompaul>fresh install or some kind of upgraded system?
13:54<meglaw>etch to lenny to weazy
13:54<ompaul>lenny to squeeze
13:55<ompaul>not wheezy
13:55<meglaw>hehe yeah i forget
13:55<ompaul>did you do that?
13:55<MrFrood>If I remember right by default on debian X inherits it's KB config from the console settings?
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13:55<meglaw>yez, but i did not run x b4 so
13:55<ompaul>meglaw: how did you install kdm?
13:56<meglaw>aptget
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13:56<meglaw>anyway
13:56<meglaw>it works
13:56<meglaw>everything works
13:56<meglaw>exept typing
13:56<meglaw>typing works in console
13:56<ompaul>ehhh that ain't working
13:57<MrFrood>try 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' as root
13:58<meglaw>so how do i do pastebins from console
13:58<meglaw>MrFrood: ok
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14:00<ompaul>meglaw: and did that help?
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14:01<MrFrood>meglaw: if you have gpm installed & working you can just use the mouse to copy & paste in the console, I think pastebin works wiyh elinks
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14:05<ompaul>meglaw: what language are you using from the "login screen"?
14:05<ompaul>meglaw: what desktop are you using?
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14:08<ompaul>meglaw: requesting a reboot after a discussion with MrFrood
14:08<ompaul>meglaw: please do so and see what happens
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14:13<chealer>is there a GUI to configure OpenLDAP?
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14:23<Osiris_X>I downloaded a source from the debian repository, made some changes and am ready to rebuild with "debuild" but how do I modify the version so that I can install it without problems using aptitude/apt-get?
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14:25<themill>Osiris_X: change the version of the package by making a new entry in debian/changelog. "/msg dpkg package recompile" for more details.
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14:27<ompaul>meglaw: please reboot
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14:33<Osiris_X>thanks themill
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14:50<flurri>hello
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14:52<flurri>maybe someone can help me? I'm using squeeze, and when I try to see a changelog of an "+squeeze1" package via aptitude, it says it can not find changelog
14:52<flurri>for example in apache2-2.2.16-6+squeeze1
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14:55<diederik>flurri: you need to ask for the changelog of the package (without version numbers or other suffixes)
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14:56<flurri>i'm just pressing "C" while the package is selected
14:56<diederik>oh, I always use the CLI mode of aptitude
14:56<flurri>not inside the version list, choosing a particular version (anyways, this works for all other versions)
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14:57<flurri>if I try via CLI, i get the changelog till version 2.2.16-6
14:58<flurri>and it says nothing about 2.2.16-6+squeeze1
14:59<diederik>it looks like it's not available
14:59<flurri>yep... In packages.d.o there is no changelog nor folder about this version...
14:59<diederik>Clicking on the "Debian Changelog" link on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apache2 gives a 404
14:59<flurri>I wonder why?
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15:00<Osiris_X>when you download a source from debian repository it automatically gets patched - how do you reverse these patches so that you can create a new .orig.tar.gz file
15:00<s_i_m>Osiris_X, you must have this file downloaded
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15:00<diederik>flurri: probably documented/mentioned in the 6.0.1 changelog (of debian)
15:00<flurri>Osirix_X:
15:01<flurri>Osirix_X, if you do apt-get-source, you get a x.orig.tar.gz and a diff... use just the orig
15:02<flurri>diederik: I can't find it even there!
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15:03<Snubbel>hi
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15:03<diederik>flurri: maybe on here: http://www.debian.org/security/
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15:03<diederik>it does say sth about apache2
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15:05<meglaw>so hehhe i could type & log into x now but then i had no keyboard again
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15:06<flurri>yes, i see it... but I'm wondering why it's not in the changelog, also happens with wireshark, dnsutils, and all the security updates I get pending for squeeze
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15:06<MrFrood>meglaw: so it worked until..?
15:07<diederik>flurri: dunno maybe forgot to add it to the changelog, have seen that before
15:07<meglaw>or no wow now it works
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15:07<flurri>ok, do you think should a bug be filled?
15:08<Osiris_X>s_i_m, flurri, I used dch to change the version and it changed the name of the source directory so there is version mismatch with the downloaded .orig.tar.gz file
15:08<MrFrood>meglaw: so it is working?
15:09<Osiris_X>do I just expand the downloaded orig.tar.gz file, make my changes there and re-tar.gz to make a new orig file?
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15:09<diederik>I would't (seems a bit excessive to me)
15:09<flurri>Osiris_X: I don't get the point to make a new orig... shouldn't it be better to tar the diff?
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15:10<Osiris_X>flurri - debuild complains without the correct versioned orig.tar.gx file
15:10<flurri>diederik: ok, I will live with It... just looked a bit "suspicius" so many updates without changelogs...
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15:10<Osiris_X>it appears that it actually uses it during the build
15:11<diederik>well, stable only receives security updates, so maybe they don't log it in the changelog (only in the security report)
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15:12<flurri>AFAIK it decompress the orig, applies the the patch
15:12<diederik>there should not be a change in functionality on stable, but I run sid, so not entirely sure
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15:12<raffaell>#java-br
15:13<flurri>Osiris_X: and the you get the orig source with the debian directory, which has the patches that in turn will be applied during the build...
15:13<s_i_m>Osiris_X, most likely you wanted to change debian version in changelog, but changed the upstream's part.
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15:13<flurri>maybe if you are building the full package it decompress and paches again the package
15:14<Osiris_X>s_i_m I did "dch -l-illuminati" just to add a suffix
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15:16<s_i_m>Osiris_X, your suffix is wrong.
15:17<s_i_m>it does not conform to policy
15:17<Snubbel>what can i do about the "Ignoring file 'XXX.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" - bug?
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15:17<Snubbel>i thought this bug has been solved?
15:17<Osiris_X>s_i_m - so I should just do "dch -l" to add the generic local suffix?
15:17<Snubbel>yet i keep getting it on my aptosid system
15:18<flurri>diederik: I think they log it in the changelog. for example libpam-pgsql has the correct information (0.7.1-4+squeeze1)
15:18<s_i_m>Osiris_X, you may do that, but do not use "-" in debian version.
15:19<Osiris_X>s_i_m, ok - so "_" or "." is ok?
15:19<s_i_m>no
15:19<s_i_m>read policy
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15:22<Osiris_X>s_i_m : so "~" or "+"
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15:22<s_i_m>dot is also ok, acyually
15:22<s_i_m>actually
15:23<Osiris_X>ok will give it a whierl
15:23<Osiris_X>whirl*
15:23<flurri>diederik: thank you for your help
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15:29<Osiris_X>thanks s_i_m that solved the problem (and not using sudo to download the source)
15:30<s_i_m>okay
15:31<Osiris_X>for anyone who struggles with the permissions that udisks uses when it automounts filesystems (e.g. usb external hdds) - the permissions can be changed in src/device.c of the source and recompiled quite simply
15:32<Osiris_X>particularly useful for ntfs-3g mounts which don't support remounting
15:36<Osiris_X>and because gnome-mount is no longer part of debian
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15:42<diederik>flurri: yw
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15:48<juser>"aptitude install rng-tools" gives "Trying to create /dev/hwrng device inode..." ".udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation." ? See http://paste.debian.net/112785/
15:48<meglaw>mmmmmm xmonad
15:49<meglaw>even tho im only on 192mb sdr its pretty ok to surf a few tabs hehe
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15:52<daylove>buzz
15:52<s_i_m>juser, are you sure your motherboard has a hardware rng?
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15:53<s_i_m>if it had udev would create a devnode
15:54<daylove>Hey, Anyone having problems with internet after installing latest updates???
15:55<s_i_m>be more precise, which updates, what problems?
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15:55<daylove>okay:
15:55<Hydroxide>daylove: is this on squeeze, wheezy, or sid?
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15:56<daylove>this is squeeze - apt history to follow:
15:56<daylove>Start-Date: 2011-04-02 14:29:50
15:56<daylove>Upgrade: bind9-host:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686:i386 (2.6.32-31, 2.6.32-32), linux-image-2.6.32-5-686:i386 (2.6.32-31, 2.6.32-32), dnsutils:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), libdns69:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), linux-libc-dev:i386 (2.6.32-31, 2.6.32-32), libisccc60:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), liblwres60:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg
15:56<daylove>.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), linux-base:i386 (2.6.32-31, 2.6.32-32), libbind9-60:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), gdm3:i386 (2.30.5-6squeeze1, 2.30.5-6squeeze2), libisccfg62:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), host:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), libisc62:i386 (9.7.2.dfsg.P3-1.1, 9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze1), linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common:i386 (2.6.32-31, 2.6.32-32)
15:56<daylove>End-Date: 2011-04-02 14:31:34
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15:57<s_i_m>so, what problems?
15:57<daylove>after reboot normal pages don't come up,
15:58<daylove>no google yahoo flickr nothing
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16:00<s_i_m>daylove, now you connect from another machine?
16:00<daylove>no, this is why this problem is crazy
16:00<s_i_m>i see
16:01<s_i_m>can you do nslookup yahoo.com ?
16:01<s_i_m>(most likely)
16:01<daylove>hold
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16:01<daylove>i have a caching dns setup
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16:01<lee-0>daylove: looks like you switched to another kernel, and now your network card doesn´t work anymore
16:01<daylove>but yes to your question
16:02<s_i_m>lee-0, it works
16:02<s_i_m>read up
16:02<lee-0>yeah, just saw it
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16:02<s_i_m>daylove, wget yahoo.com
16:04<daylove>tried it, can't w3m ether
16:04<s_i_m>do you have any iptables rules?
16:04<daylove>all turned off
16:05<daylove>I am using Iceweasel/3.5.16
16:05<lee-0>can you ping yahoo.com`
16:05<lee-0>?
16:06<daylove>gnome browser doesn't load ether
16:07<daylove>yes
16:07<lee-0>any messages in syslog or dmesg?
16:07<s_i_m>daylove, printenv | grep http_proxy
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16:08<daylove>printenv grep http_proxy - produces no output
16:08<s_i_m>ok
16:09<s_i_m>so, to summarise, DNS is working, ping goes, IRC too. No http, however.
16:10<s_i_m>strange
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16:11<daylove>yeah I know
16:11<MrFrood>how about gopher (port 70)?
16:11<lee-0>that makes me think of some proxy settings still in effect with a proxy no longer working
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16:11<daylove>if i had hair i wouldn't for long
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16:12<daylove>i do not use gopher
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16:12<lee-0>like some transparent proxy or something like that ...
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16:15<s_i_m>daylove, it could be pmtu-related stuff, but you as said everything was working before the update I doubt that...
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16:16<s_i_m>daylove, have you tried rebooting just in case?
16:16<daylove>yes
16:16<daylove>I will in a sec.
16:17<daylove>do you thing ipv6 was set up during the update?
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16:17<s_i_m>well, daylove, i am on ipv6-enabled host here, no problems
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16:18<daylove>okay, rebooting now, brb
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16:19<freddy>saludos hermanos
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16:19<freddy>necesitaba canaima colibri para descargarlo y colocarselo a una dinosaurio
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16:19<freddy>pero no existe el fichero
16:19<rudi_s>!es
16:19<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:20<freddy>el enlace de descarga de canaima colibri ni funciona
16:20<freddy>no funciona
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16:37<juser>s_i_m: Actually... No. Heh. I must check now...
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16:44<HiddenMole>Hi
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16:47<juser>s_i_m: I don't get any hits for my asus motherboard or core 2 cpu. I had this idea that most systems had them which I guess was TOTALLY wrong.
16:47<jhutchins>What is it this week with people trying to install ancient versions of Debian on old hardware?
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16:48<juser>jhutchins: Is there some valid reason like perhaps only ancient versions would work on some hardware or have specific features needed?
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16:49<jhutchins>juser: They've been old systems like 486's with 32M of RAM and tiny hard drives, but they'd probably be better off with emdebian, dsl, or puppy or something.
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16:51<juser>jhutchins: Right. So the valid reason might be hardware system requirements....
16:51<s_i_m>jhutchins, at my old home I have an operational 486 DX2-66. I think it was last upgraded to sarge
16:51<juser>(besides if they might be better off with some other distro/flavour)
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16:56<hide>s_i_m: what does that machine do? What is it's function?
16:56<daylove>s_i_m
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16:57<daylove>Excessive Session Detection was enabled on my router and was blocking access
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16:58<daylove>Thanks for your help guys :)
16:58<s_i_m>hide, well, now it does really nothing, just collects dust and waits for me to come and copy some old but still somewhat valuable data out of it =)
16:58<s_i_m>daylove, i see
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17:02<s_i_m>hide, by "operational" I meant "not broken yet"
17:02<hide>oh..
17:02<hide>lots of 'not broken hardware here
17:02<hide>but USELESS
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17:03<hide>my heart just can't send them to the bin
17:05<s_i_m>well, that is always difficult. for the same reason I keep a ZX-Spectrum, for instance
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17:57<costas>hello all, just installed debian on a usb stick due to stuck hard disk...bare with me
17:57<costas>!pointer
17:57<dpkg>methinks pointer is a variable which stores the address in memory of another variable.
17:57<costas>!nopointer
17:57<dpkg>On systems with the Intel 855GM integrated graphics chipset, a regression in linux-2.6 2.6.32-31 (part of the <6.0.1> point release) renders the mouse pointer invisible in X, also affecting video overlays (Debian bug #618665). To redisplay the pointer, suspend and resume the system. Fixed in linux-2.6 2.6.32-32, ask me about <proposed-updates>.
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17:57<costas>!proposed updates
17:57<dpkg>stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. They require extensive testing before being accepted, but these can be acquired and used to test upcoming/fixed packages. They may also cause problems. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <testing-proposed-updates>.
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17:58<costas>!sources.list
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17:58<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
17:59<sney>costas: you can also /msg dpkg keyword - that way you don't clutter the channel
18:00<costas>thanks sney will do
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18:15<costas_>bye bye fellow linux heads
18:15<costas_>!beer dpkg
18:15*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Gulden Drak for dpkg
18:15<retrospectacus>!beer costas_
18:15*dpkg pours a quart of Stone Arrogant Bastard for costas_
18:16<costas_>yep that's me allright. hahaha
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18:35<grummund>hmm, i think there is a bug in httptunnel server (hts)
18:36<grummund>with --pid-file it seems to disregard a path and creates the pid file at /
18:36<babilen>You should file a bug if that bug is reproducible.
18:36<grummund>that's just so wrong it makes me wonder if i'm using it right
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18:38<costas>Hello again... anyone knows how to quick and ugly fix the nopointer bug on latest debian kernels?
18:38<babilen>.38 ? Which bug?
18:38<grummund>hmm, nvm seems to be fixed in squeeze
18:39<babilen>grummund: great, you might want to upgrade to squeeze
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18:39<costas>nope, I'm using an acer travelmate 2300 and after 2.6.32.5 kernel the pointer got invisible
18:39<grummund>babilen: yep. ;)
18:40<costas>I'm using squeeze since it came out with no problems
18:40<costas>on my desktop everything is fine
18:40<babilen>costas: Ah, that bug. You should read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619019
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18:41<babilen>costas: Its supposed to be fixed in linux-2.6/2.6.32-32 -- Which kernel version do you have installed?
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18:45<costas>2.6.32-5
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18:47<costas>did a cdrom install on a usb stick, used to just hit ctrl+alt F1 to switch and then ctrl+alt and F7 to get back and pointer was fine...
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18:48<costas>but now mouse doesn't reappear and gets into my nerves...
18:49<costas>I'm using twm to do my work on it, please help, will send 2 black chicks in return and a case of Lucifer beer...
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18:50<costas>+ I have to relocate tomorrow (I start work in 5 hours and will sleep 4)... #ucken priceless situation
18:52<costas>anyone remembers the suspend packages for laptops name please...
18:52<costas>that works too
18:53<lee-0>hibernate, swsusp?
18:53<costas>yep thanks lee-0
18:53<lee-0>yw
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18:55<costas>!beer lee-0
18:55*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for lee-0
18:55<costas>!beer babilen
18:55*dpkg pulls out a tasty Delirium Tremens for babilen
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18:55<lee-0>oh, I thought I´d get the chicks ...
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18:57<lee-0>thanks --- though I didn´t mean that kind ... :)
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19:45<Guest267>Hi There: I need help setting up Microphone on my new Debian Squeeze AMD64 bit computer
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19:53<costas>thanks babilen and lee-0, i got an older kernel and everything is fine...
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19:56<tsoliman>Guest267: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA
19:57<costas>anyone needs help? I got a couple hours left.....
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19:58<pparadis>costas: can you tell me how to save 15% on my car insurance? ;)
19:58<costas>yes, buy a bike and sell your car
19:59<pparadis>i tried "apt-get install car-savings" first, guess i should have done "apt-get install bicycle" as per your suggestion instead.
19:59<costas>hahahahaha
19:59<pparadis>:)
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19:59<costas>use aptitude, it's hip these days
20:00<pparadis>bah, you can pry apt-get from my cold, dead hands :)
20:00<costas>I'm using apt-get as well, been using linux since 94-95 (with embarassing net speeds)
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20:01<costas>nowadays we just upload stuff to servers, then we had to avoid net installs etc
20:01<pparadis>hey man, there's nothing wrong with folks who have used a 486 with three 33.6 modems in it, connected to three different mindspring accounts to provide _blazin_ net access ;)
20:02<costas>I had a friend in New Zealand that used radio net with ultra fast speeds...
20:02<pparadis>that's a double meaning for "packet" eh?
20:02<pparadis>good stuff --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio
20:02<phillipsjk>costas: speed is not verything. Most "high speed" plans restrict your monthly bandwidth to less than 300GB. (works out to less than 1Mbps)
20:03<costas>apt-get install greek-politicians-need-jail.2.0
20:03<pparadis>s/bandwidth/transfer/
20:03<tsoliman>any idea why the lenny->squeeze recommends apt-get instead of aptitude like etch->lenny?
20:04<sney>partly because aptitude is one of the things that gets upgraded
20:04<costas>phillipsjk, I pay for my internet, here at home I get 260kb/sec with no limit, I get 500kb/sec at work...
20:04<pparadis>although even on restricted plans, the actual use case needs to be taken into account. for many folks, being able to download a few very large things per month at a good speed is more important than sustained transfer speeds.
20:04<sney>and I think there was something hairy with libc
20:04<Guest267>Hi: I am at my wits end, I have tried everything I can try from using Google. Microphone works in Win 7 and Kanotix, but not from Debian Squeeze
20:04<phillipsjk>pparadis, bandwidth can be measured by the ammount of data transferred over time...
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20:04<pparadis>Guest267: what hardware, etc?
20:04<tsoliman>sney: no, that was the same with etch->lenny .. you should always upgrade aptitude and the kernel before you do a full-on upgrade
20:05<tsoliman>wel I didn't follow that advice and nothing went wrong
20:05<pparadis>cheers then :)
20:05<pparadis>but it is good advice to upgrade apt/aptitude first at minimum.
20:05<tsoliman>I was just wondering if aptitude is crap now and apt-get is the new hip thing
20:05<tsoliman>and the kernel
20:05<costas>Guest267, you got a fresh debian 6 DVD? alsa sometimes needs tweakin...
20:05<tsoliman>the problem with following the actual instructions
20:06<costas>!alsa
20:06<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
20:06<costas>check the web Guest1621
20:06<pparadis>tsoliman: honestly, you're going to be doing a dist-upgrade, which will upgrade the kernel as part of the process. it's not necessary to manually upgrade the kernel first, as you're not going to be booted into it until after the upgrade anyhow.
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20:07<tsoliman>pparadis: the instructions on both releases said it was because you wanted a way to "go back" if it doesn't go well
20:07<tsoliman>pparadis: they forgot to mention it will hose your nvidia-closed-source driver
20:07<pparadis>you still have a way to "go back." it's called selecting the older kernel on boot.
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20:07<costas>apt-get with clean, update and finally upgrade works for me
20:07<costas>pparadis, not always man...
20:07<tsoliman>the way I recovered was a kernel cmd line option to turn off kernel mode switching
20:08<tsoliman>because the kernel and udev are married
20:08<pparadis>i've never been bitten by that case personally, but then again i'm really a server guy, not a desktop guy.
20:08<tsoliman>yeah I only have 2 desktops
20:08<Guest267>I compiled the latest alsadrivers and installed it, I have audio sound and no mic. I have card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: VT1708S Digital [VT1708S Digital]
20:08<tsoliman>my 4 servers worked fine
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20:08<costas>Guest1621, check your micer
20:08<costas>damn... mixer
20:09<tsoliman>:)
20:09<tsoliman>!micer
20:09<costas>!beer dpkg
20:09*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Bornem Tripple for dpkg
20:09<Guest267>I have set the mixer settings to the highest, even the mic. I am unable to use Skype
20:09<tsoliman>!beer me
20:09*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for tsoliman
20:09<sney>dkms fixes the kernel-update-hoses-nvidia issue, but it doesn't apply to lenny->squeeze because dkms is squeeze only
20:09<sney>still, it's nice for future releases
20:09<tsoliman>yeah .. the problem with lenny->squeeze was udev
20:10<costas>nothing beats a squeeze clean install peeps
20:10<tsoliman>:D
20:10<tsoliman>2 of those servers are from sarge :)
20:10<tsoliman>I only do clean installs on new machines
20:10<costas>the pointer thingy on my ancient laptop was solved within 15 minutes of installing a 2.6 kernel...
20:11<pparadis>clean installs are indeed great, but not terribly practical most of the time in my experience. with only a couple of minor snags, i've got systems running that also used to be sarge :)
20:11<costas>windows 7 can kiss my butt
20:11<tsoliman>costas: 2.6? it was 2.4?
20:11<costas>I had 2.6.32-5 and pointer was invisible but working...
20:11<pparadis>costas: last time i saw windows 7, it was the boot splash screen for it when i couldn't get the linux install CD in the drive fast enough after powering it on for the first time.
20:11<phillipsjk>costas When did Microsoft add that feature?
20:12<costas>;)
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20:12<costas>I do windows and linux support... here in Greece greek universities teach... Ubuntu (go figure)
20:13<pparadis>hey, better than nothing.
20:13<costas>yeah
20:13<pparadis>could be a lot worse, they could be tossing centos on everything in sight.
20:13<costas>but debian is rocks
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20:13<costas>too many beers...
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20:13<costas>!aspirin
20:13<dpkg>from memory, aspirin is the drug
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20:14<costas>!toast
20:14<dpkg>somebody said toast was a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering.......
20:14<costas>I'm better now
20:14<costas>anyways, I fixed it myself, so you ain
20:14<tsoliman>I love the existence of ubuntu
20:15<nutterpc>!beer
20:15<tsoliman>I won't even use it
20:15<dpkg>i guess beer is liquid gold mate
20:15<nutterpc>LOL
20:15<costas>t getting any black chicks and Lucifer beer mates
20:15<nutterpc>!vodka
20:15<dpkg>somebody said vodka was best served with Rose's Lime Juice, to make a cocktail known as the Gimlet. Considered the finest vodka drink known to man.
20:15<costas>!absent
20:15<sney>!offtopic
20:15<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
20:15*nutterpc goes back to kernel work
20:16<nutterpc>had my fun
20:16<costas>ok, beer for all linuxheads I'm outta here, Guest1621 do read about alsa and you'll be fine
20:16<Guest267>Any leads as how to get tjis mic working?
20:17<costas>Guest267, read man, recent alsa packages do work well,
20:17<costas>(unless you use Ubuntu)
20:17<costas>hahahahahaha
20:17<tsoliman>(if you use ubuntu .. it just works"
20:17<costas>not with a pro delta 1010 card... tsoliman
20:17<sney>except when it doesn't, and then the support is a giant mess
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20:18<tsoliman>the support is the blind leading the blind
20:18<tsoliman>it always starts with someone reciting some incatation
20:18<costas>you need to compile sources... easy
20:18<sney>and 90% of the bug reports are just support whines
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20:18<nutterpc>soundcards not working?
20:19<tsoliman>someone would tell someone else to type "sudo rm -rf /"
20:19<costas>bb peeps, will check again tomorrow
20:19<costas>!beer all
20:19*dpkg pours a pint of Piraat for all
20:19<nutterpc>if alsa doesnt work, try oss, some times it has results
20:19<tsoliman>and the person getting the help would be like "with or without the quotes"
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20:19<tsoliman>actually sometimes alsa doesn't autodetect stuff correctly
20:19<Guest267>Soundcard is working only Mic is not working, On Kanotix Mic works, I have a fiddled with alsamixer, etc
20:19<tsoliman>you'll need to (for example) load modules with options
20:19<costas>Guest267, check your soundcard and read on twikis...
20:20<nutterpc>also try alsactl init
20:20<nutterpc>from xterm
20:20<nutterpc>if alsa knows it
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20:20<nutterpc>it will detect it
20:20<Guest267>How do I find which sound card I am using, I tried aplay -l, I need to put that in alsa-base.conf so it might work, as recommended by one person
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20:21<tsoliman>Guest267: pastebin the output of the following: lsmod | grep snd
20:21<babilen>Guest267: cat /proc/asound/cards -- the one with index 0 is used by default
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20:23<Guest267>Here is the pastebin URL http://pastebin.com/K8cVrz7K
20:24<tsoliman>snd_hda_intel
20:24<tsoliman>that's what sound card module you use
20:25<tsoliman>and yes the autodetect is shit
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20:25<tsoliman>for mine (because it is an HP laptop) I load it with model=hp
20:25<tsoliman>let me see if I can dig up the page
20:26<tsoliman>Guest267: is it a laptop?
20:27<Guest267>What about 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia from cat /proc/asound/cards ?
20:28<Guest267>I just put snd_hda_intel in alsa-base.conf, I will try rebooting and find out
20:28<Guest267>No a Desktop
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20:35<tsoliman>what I was suggesting is to put a modprobe entry for snd_hda_intel with an option but I don't know what option will work for you (sorry)
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20:37<tsoliman>maybe you can lspci
20:38<tsoliman>and get the product:vendor ID for your sound card
20:38<tsoliman>and then google it?
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20:44<Guest270>I had no luck withe Mic even after configuring alsa-base.conf
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20:48<tsoliman>alsa-base.conf just says what module to load
20:48<tsoliman>it was already loading the right module
20:48<tsoliman>you just need the right option for the module
20:48<tsoliman>I don't know what the right option is ..
20:49<tsoliman>for example .. I have this
20:49<tsoliman>options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=hp
20:50<tsoliman>the model=hp is key for me .. because I get autodetected as another kind of sng-hda-intel
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20:51<edbian>Anybody else have an issue with the domain name service lwresd ?
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20:52<Guest270>my model might be nvidia
20:52<phillipsjk>Guest270: is there Aa "mic boost" mixer setting?
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20:54<blink>I'm having trouble installing debian, on kbsd. is there any way I can just disable swap completely in the partition step, then go back to add it later
20:54<Guest270>There is a Mic boost settings one for Rear Mic and and one for Front Mic
20:54<pparadis>blink: you should be able to install without defining swap, although i'm curious why that's causing a problem for you?
20:55<phillipsjk>"mic boost" should amplify the signal about 20dB or 7x.
20:55<blink>pparadis: The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in ATA11, partition #2 (ad0s2) at none failed
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20:55<blink>swapon works on the recovery console, but I cant progress in the installer
20:56<Guest270>I dont see a Microphone option in Gnome-sound-recorder, I have that option on another computer
20:56<pparadis>if you don't care about the existing contents of the disk, you can boot with a livecd and just blow all partitions away.
20:56<pparadis>blink ^
20:56<blink>ok, seems to have gone to the next step without swap, despite telling me it was partitioned to be formatted as such
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20:56<blink>pparadis: contents are blank
20:56<pparadis>huh
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20:57<pparadis>well if it's working, good then :)
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20:58<blink>pparadis: kfreebsd/GNU debian. it's a bit... odd.
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20:58<pparadis>nod
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21:11<blink>new error is Unable to configure GRUB; "Exeuting 'update-grub' failed. This is a fatal error.
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21:12<tsoliman>ouch
21:12<tsoliman>df -h /
21:12<tsoliman>or rather /boot
21:12<tsoliman>(in case they are different
21:13<blink>df -h /target
21:13<blink>516M used, 7.8GB free
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21:13<blink>/dev/ad10s1 on target type ufs (rw)
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21:16<tsoliman>what is /target?
21:17<blink>I am installing, the error give shorty after grub-install runs
21:17<blink>final part of the install, I can finish without intalling grub, but then I can't really boot
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21:19<tsoliman>installing a new squeeze?
21:19<tsoliman>if all else fails, maybe install lenny and upgrade
21:19<blink>new squeeze, kbsd
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21:27<tsoliman>ah .. kbsd
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21:28<nutterpc>Id just go for straight bsd meself
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21:29<nutterpc>but thats me
21:29<nutterpc>lol
21:29<blink>i had kbsd 8.2 stable
21:29<blink>but wanted to try this out
21:29<blink>i can just use the bsd bootloader and partition everything there
21:33*tsoliman doesn't get the point of running debian with a bsd kernel
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21:33<tsoliman>how does GNU/Linux compare to GNU/BSD?
21:34<blink>it just gives a consistant userland
21:34<tsoliman>I mean Debian GNU/Linux compare to Debian GNU/BSD
21:34<blink>across all my boxes
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21:34<blink>well, the latter supports zfs out of the box
21:34<tsoliman>sure sure but isnt userland why people choose BSD in the first place?
21:34<tsoliman>ah!
21:34<blink>jails
21:34<blink>etc
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21:35<tsoliman>jails I thought were kernel + userland
21:35<tsoliman>or is the userland just a chroot?
21:35*dvs ain't goin without a fight!
21:36<blink>i'm just repeating the wiki for "why kbsd"
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21:36<blink>http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why
21:37<tsoliman>thanks
21:37<blink>i think my personal reason is just to use apt
21:38<blink>gentoo is as close to ports I feel like getting
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21:39<smacnay>is there a new enigmail and google-sync-contacts package coming in Debian sid to work with the new icedove?
21:40<tsoliman>did you check experimental?
21:40<tsoliman>usually stuff goes there first
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21:41<tsoliman>in fact .. I just got iceweasel 4 from experimental
21:42<tsoliman>unstable is stuck in 3.5 apparently
21:42<tsoliman>(3.6 has been out for way too long)
21:42<dvs>iceweasel has it's own repository
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21:43<dvs>!iceweasel
21:43<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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21:47<tsoliman>dvs: what is its repo? I read the wiki link above
21:49<dvs>tsoliman: http://mozilla.debian.net/
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21:50<smacnay>So the official debian firefox/iceweasel now has its own source outside of the Debian repository?
21:50<smacnay>I never knew that.
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22:01<smacnay>Some of the google gadgets (template gadget in blogger) say my iceweasel 3.5 is too old
22:01<smacnay>looking forward to 4.0 - downloading right now
22:01<smacnay>I wish enigmail and google-sync were ready for icedove 3.1
22:02<smacnay>ah, there is a version there - great
22:02<tsoliman>I don't like things that are different... so I switched the 4.0 tabs back to the bottom
22:03<tsoliman>the only reason I got 4.0 was that a website stopped working with 3.5
22:03<dvs>what website?
22:03<tsoliman>http://www.giantbomb.com
22:03<tsoliman>game review site
22:03<dvs>that's dumb
22:03<tsoliman>their top red toolbar area looks all whacky
22:04<tsoliman>3.6 works
22:04<tsoliman>but experimental had 4.0 only and I didn't know about the repo
22:04<tsoliman>I mean it still worked but looked weird and acted weird
22:04<tsoliman>annoyed me enough to switch
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22:04<tsoliman>gone are the days of simple HTML
22:05<tsoliman>now it is all CSS and AJAX
22:05*dvs has to update his webpage
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22:11<smacnay>Is 4.0 webkit or gecko?
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22:15*phillipsjk considers it a bug when a website requires Javascript.
22:18<tsoliman>xulrunner?
22:18<tsoliman>I think giantbomb works without javascript
22:18<tsoliman>the problem is in the layout (CSS)
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22:23<smacnay>thanks for the link to the updated iceweasel stuff.
22:24<lac>I have a usb stick. fdisk -l says that it is a "W95 FAT32 (LBA)". What -t option do I give mount?
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22:25<edbian>My lwresd won't start with sudo service lwresd start but it will with just sudo lwresd what gives?
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22:28<phillipsjk>lac try vfat
22:29<lac>phillipsjk: didn't work.
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22:30<lac>I'd be happy to try all the alternatives if there is a list someplace, but I don't know where that is
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22:30<phillipsjk>lac: what is the error message?
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22:31<stderr_dk>lac: /proc/filesystems have a list of some of the filesystems, but have you tried -t auto?
22:32<lac>phillipsjk: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
22:32<lac> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
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22:33<stderr_dk>/dev/sda? Not sda1?
22:33<phillipsjk>lac sda is probably your internal hard-disk
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22:33<stderr_dk>If fdisk -l says anything doesn't that imply a partitiontable and therefore partition(s)?
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22:34<phillipsjk>what stderr said.
22:34<lac>well, mounting it /dev/sda1 worked great. so thank you very much. But now I would like to understand this
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22:35<dvs>lac: /dev/sda is the entire disk. /dev/sda1 is the first partition on the disk.
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22:37<lac>Ok. thank you all.
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23:15<Powelly>hello?
23:15<Powelly>Can someone give me a quick hand
23:15<kop>!tell Powelly about ask
23:16<Powelly>what?
23:16<kop>Powelly: The bot should have sent you a private message.
23:16<sney>you are in the support channel. just ask. i
23:16<Powelly>ah
23:16<Powelly>ok
23:16<Powelly>well
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23:16<sney>and if nobody helps you right away, don't leave in a huff, wait and maybe someone will help you in a bit
23:16<Powelly>i migrated from mint debian to full debian yesterday
23:17<kop>!tell Powelly about overview
23:17<kop>Powelly: ^^ Fyi, since you're new to debian.
23:17<Powelly>right
23:17<Powelly>well im on squeeze
23:18<kop>Powelly: (FYI, squeeze is the stable release.)
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23:18<Powelly>yeah i'm not on sid or anything like that
23:18<Powelly>i just downloaded the x64 dvd
23:18<Powelly>and installed
23:19<Powelly>and my user account doesn't seem to have root privileges
23:20<blink>still having grub problems. i can get a grub rescue shell, and ls shows (hd0), but I can't do anything from here
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23:20<sney>you are probably looking for sudo, which is not installed by default
23:20<Powelly>like i cant even mount my external harddrive
23:20<Powelly>sudo is installed
23:20<sney>is your user in the sudo group?
23:20<Powelly>how do i tell?
23:20<sney>in a terminal, 'groups username'
23:21<jhutchins>Powelly: User accounts in *nix NEVER have root privileges.
23:21<jhutchins>Powelly: Only root has root priveleges.
23:21<Powelly>Right
23:21<Powelly>its just different to mint
23:21<jhutchins>Powelly: In Debian, you become root to do administrative tasks by using su -
23:21<amphi>praise be to him who sleepeth not
23:21<sney>Powelly: as for automount issues, it's possible you've hit a common installer bug, is there a line in your /etc/fstab referring to /dev/sdb1 as a cdrom drive?
23:22<sney>if there is, remove it, and your external should mount normally
23:22<kop>Powelly: Many prefer to use "su" instead of sudo. It's more secure because it takes more than cracking a user account to get root when su is used.
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23:22<Powelly>right
23:22<jhutchins>Powelly: NEVER run GUI environments or appications as root.
23:22<sney>my personal laptop is full of security holes but I don't caaare because there's nothing important or hackable on here
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23:23<Powelly>dev/sdb1 is listed as /media/usb0
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23:23<amphi>sney: we'll bear it in mind
23:23<jhutchins>Powelly: Also, although Debian has hacked su so that you don't need su -, just su, make su - a habit and you'll be safe on other platforms.
23:23<sney>just delete or comment that line anyway, it should clear up your mount issue
23:24<Powelly>lets see
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23:24<Powelly>cheers sney, all fixed
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23:25<Powelly>well i suppose i'll just have to use su
23:25<sney>np. it's supposed to be fixed in the next installer revision, I think
23:25<Powelly>can you install right-click "Open as Administrator"?
23:25<Powelly>on debian?
23:25<sney>I think gnome-keyring has some kind of similar functionality
23:26<sney>generally it would be called run as superuser, or run with superuser priveliges, or something. I haven't used gnome in years so I can't say for sure
23:26<Powelly>ok thanks
23:26<kop>jhutchins: Who has not hacked su? (It works as on Debian in RH and OpenBSD....)
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23:26<Powelly>One last thing, anyone know much about avant themes?
23:27<ZykoticK9>Powelly, you might want to check out nautilus-gksu if you use Gnome.
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23:49<edbian>My lwresd won't start with sudo service lwresd start but it will with just sudo lwresd what gives?
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23:50<edbian>Just figured it out. The previous process hadn't died
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23:56<mercutio22>Hi. I am following a class where the teacher uses a plot function from a package called pylab. http://curiousreef.com/class/mit-opencourseware-600-introduction/lesson/18/. I don't see it in debian. Maybe it has a different name now?
23:57<kop>!tell mercutio22 about search
23:57<kop>mercutio22: You probably want to search with apt-file.
23:57<kop>mercutio22: (Or using packages.debian.org.)
23:58<amphi>mercutio22: "python-matplotlib: /usr/share/pyshared/pylab.py" quoth apt-file, for what it's worth
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23:59<kop>amphi: Aaaw shucks. I was waiting to see if he'd be able to do it himself. :)
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