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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-04-09

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00:57<pippocannelunghe>ciao a tutti
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00:58<sney>!it
00:58<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
00:58<pippocannelunghe>!list
00:58<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
00:58<pippocannelunghe>ciao
00:58<nsadmin>but if you want english help, you can have it here
00:58<nsadmin>!ask
00:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:03<nsadmin>so I'm trying to set up my laptop's networking so that it gets a static IP on the wired or wireless interface (wired for now, another problem exists with wireless I want to ignore for now) and dhcp everywhere else
01:04<nsadmin>I have control over the appropriate dhcp server, so could do it that way
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01:08<DennisTheTiger>Running Squeeze, with a couple updates pending. Currently, I've noticed that I get the message " ACPI: I/O resource vt596_smbus [0x400-0x407] conflicts with ACPI region SMOV [0x400-0x406]" each time I boot. This concerns me - how do I locate these devices or the cause of this error?
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01:09<cthuluh>DennisTheTiger: consider this as a debug message rather as an error message. done :)
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01:12<DennisTheTiger>cthuluh: So nothing to be too concerned with.
01:13<cthuluh>I guess, yeah
01:13<DennisTheTiger>cthuluh: Still, I'm curious how to basically cross-reference devices to those addresses shown.
01:15<cthuluh>well, one region is used by a device, the other one by the acpi. for the one used by the device, you can probably get the same memory range in the lspci output
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02:18<nsadmin>I'm not quite understanding how to set up my network (having said that, my progress has been that the correct IP is assigned, apparantly thru dhcp)
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02:21<nsadmin>so when the box is inside my net, the hostname (removed from /etc/hosts) represents its IP as present in my dns, another machine on my net.
02:21<nsadmin>what happens when I'm outside, where my hostname can't be resolved?
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02:38<s_i_m>nsadmin, if you want your dns to be "visible" from the outside you must register a domain zone
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02:42<fengchuan>how can I find a good server ?
02:43<s_i_m>fengchuan, what server?
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02:44<fengchuan>I am in china ,and is far away from this server
02:44<nsadmin>no, not visible from the outside
02:44<nsadmin>I mean not necessarily, and definitely not with its own name
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02:45<fengchuan>thanks
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02:45<nsadmin>a server that does what?
02:45<s_i_m>fengchuan, you mean you want another IRC server?
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02:46<fengchuan>first using it..........having many questions
02:46<nsadmin>fengchuan: there are millions of servers of all kinds
02:47<nsadmin>could you be more specific about what you want
02:47<fengchuan>it's all right now.thanks
02:47<s_i_m>okay...
02:49<s_i_m>nsadmin, so, basically you want to know what will happen if you do not have a registered dns zone and try to access your host by name from the outside?
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02:51<nsadmin>sort of...
02:51<nsadmin>so say my hostname is amdlaptop
02:52<fengchuan>do you know how to delete a ime on linux?
02:52<nsadmin>and I have a dns server I run locally that is "authoritative" over a domain mydomain.dummy
02:52<s_i_m>nsadmin, normally, it will not be resolved, unless you place the name of your host with its ip into /etc/hosts on the machine you use to access it (or add your own dns server to its /etc/resolv.conf))
02:53<nsadmin>and there are dns records, forward and reverse, that represent amdlaptop.mydomain.dummy and a specific static IP
02:54<nsadmin>and all that seems to work
02:54<s_i_m>nsadmin, what you are trying to do is essentially to define a zone, but that zone must be registered in the top level DNS
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02:55<nsadmin>so amdlaptop actually shows up in the arp table on other machines (particulary the gateway) as expected
02:55<s_i_m>the resolve process in DNS starts from root servers and goes down
02:55<nsadmin>nono, that's -not- what I'm trying to do
02:56<nsadmin>I already said that
02:56<s_i_m>then what do you really want? =)
02:56<nsadmin>it's not about having a domain, having my laptop showing up as that domain, or having it accessable from anywhere on the net
02:57<nsadmin>so I'm satisfied on how it's working when the laptop is connected inside my own net
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02:58<nsadmin>my question has to do with what happens when my laptop is connected to a different net
02:59<nsadmin>where my domain defined for my own internal net is not accessable,
02:59<s_i_m>ah, i see
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03:00<nsadmin>the question is: since I deleted from /etc/hosts the line that sets my hostname to 127.0.1.1, the hostname is now without an assigned IP
03:01<nsadmin>(which is expected)
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03:02<ompaul>fengchuan: what do you mean ime ... it is not a term I am used to.
03:02<nsadmin>is this a problem? so if I'm in some cafe somewhere with wifi, what are the consequences of having this hostname without an IP?
03:03<s_i_m>nsadmin, i think, that you actually would like to put a record in /etc/hosts back, but instead configure /etc/nsswitch.conf
03:03<fengchuan>imput method editor
03:03<nsadmin>well maybe, but first I seek to understand
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03:05<s_i_m>nsadmin, AFAIK, if you have no record in /etc/hosts nor in DNS your hostname will not be resolved.
03:05<ompaul>fengchuan: your question can be understood two ways, one is to delete an application, the other is in the use of the application.
03:05<nsadmin>ok, so given it's not resolved,
03:06<nsadmin>(and given we are looking at this situation as opposed to changing it)
03:06<nsadmin>is it a problem?
03:07<s_i_m>nsadmin, it may be a problem, if that hostname is mentioned somewhere else, say in some config file of some service on your machine
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03:08<ompaul>!tell fengchuan about backtrack
03:11<nsadmin>ok... s_i_m, is there a way to have the boot process to react one way or another depending on whether the hostname resolves?
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03:14<s_i_m>nsadmin, that depends on what you start at boot, and as I said on the config files of the services you start. but AFAICT there is no such a requirement that /etc/hostname must be also in /etc/hosts
03:14<nsadmin>let me rgrep /etc for the hostname to get a vague idea of what services have knowledge of it
03:14<Zaba>hmm. When my system boots up, dhclient gets started on the wired interface, and it halts the whole boot process for quite a while if there's no cable. How do I avoid that without entirely disabling autoconfiguration of the interface?
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03:16<ompaul>nsadmin: that is achievable, however the question I have for you is this. When you are not on your own network do you want the facilities on your network or not?
03:17<cahoot>Zaba: look at ifplugd
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03:17<nsadmin>ompaul, no
03:17<Zaba>okay, I will. Thanks.
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03:18<ompaul>nsadmin: the problem begins on how you get access to the lan.
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03:19<nsadmin>ompaul, so when I'm out and about with my laptop, the laptop should be enough
03:19<ompaul>nsadmin: consider this, your lan knows various things about you, and you about it. When you move you need to use dhcp to get an address, if you set everything up statically on your lan then you are asking to do funky stuff.
03:19<ompaul>if you use dhcp on your lan then when you are elsewhere dhcp will work also
03:20<ompaul>so where is the problem?
03:20<ompaul>unless you have constructed a problem
03:20<nsadmin>it looks like my dhcp server notices that I'm "amdlaptop" and handing me that assigned address
03:20<nsadmin>so...
03:20<nsadmin>that part is working
03:21<ompaul>so that is not an issue and therefore moot
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03:22<nsadmin>correct... or at least if there are issues, either I'm not aware of them, don't care about them now, or both
03:22<ompaul>yes
03:22<ompaul>so your next question what happens when you go out, you just use your laptop
03:23<nsadmin>right... and things will work assuming something important doesn't try to access my hostname in some way?
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03:24<ompaul>please define something important
03:24<ompaul>the name on your laptop as defined in local hosts file has not one jot of influence
03:24<ompaul>on the network it is on
03:25<nsadmin>well I dont know, but I have a grep -r output that shows what config files contain the hostname
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03:28<ompaul>go out, test it make notes and be specific :)
03:29<nsadmin>does the process of connecting via dhcp, or maybe the process of booting, edit the file /etc/hosts?
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03:31<ompaul>and this would hurt how?
03:32<ompaul>because when you go back to your lan it too would be setting the values
03:32<ompaul>if it is not accepting values from the outside it is not accepting them
03:32<ompaul>most people put in a name and that name gets glued and stays there no matter where it is
03:32<nsadmin>there is a certain defensiveness in the assumption I perceive this would hurt something
03:33<nsadmin>in fact, I'm looking to understand, and I'm NOT looking to trigger any defensive feeling on your part by suggesting something would hurt something
03:33<ompaul>the following lines answer the question I see you asking
03:33<ompaul>defensive ...
03:34<nsadmin>fit's ok, it's a natural reaction
03:34<ompaul>do this logically, if your machine accepts external inputs it does so for all lans
03:34<nsadmin>there;s nothing wrong, I'm just calling out what is.
03:34<ompaul>if it does not, it does not
03:34<ompaul>ergo nothing will be hurt as such
03:35<nsadmin>but notice the question I'm actually asking, which is: does this editing happen?
03:35<s_i_m>ompaul, AFAIK, /etc/hostname is changed by admin only.
03:36<ompaul>s_i_m: it can be done by the lan, depends on install and setup
03:36<ompaul>been a long time since I had a box do it, but I used to do it in the 90s on dialup
03:36<s_i_m>ompaul, which tool precisely does that?
03:36<ompaul>I got dhcp from my isp and used the ppp to set the hostname
03:37<ompaul>(and it was FreeBSD and more than 10 years since I had such a setup)
03:37<ompaul>so I had a ompaul@box then it would become ompaul@ppp-whatever-they-gave-me
03:38<nsadmin>so you arranged so your /etc/hostname is set from your ppp connection at the time
03:38<s_i_m>well, that is definitely unrelated to debian :)
03:38<ompaul>so where I was going is this conversation is moot :)
03:39*ompaul wants to be in a cafe with coffee and food
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03:39<nsadmin>ahh. so we have that in common
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03:40<ompaul>I'll take chit chat for 5 mins before I have to depart in #debian-offtopic
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03:44<jlgaddis>what's the proper way of setting an 80x50 font at bootup (unstable)?
03:45<nsadmin>what remains is the question I just asked, does debian networking boot arrangement write files in /etc?
03:45<nsadmin>like hosts
03:45<s_i_m>jlgaddis, through the kernel boot parameters, as usual
03:46<nsadmin>jlgaddis, try passing VGA=ask
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03:48<s_i_m>nsadmin, some tools do change /etc/resolv.conf, but I have not heard of any that touches /etc/hostname or /etc/hosts on boot.
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03:49<nsadmin>ok, thanks
03:49<s_i_m>it is most likely even forbidden by policy
03:49<nsadmin>oh interesting
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03:53<nsadmin>ok, we'll see about that part later, meanwhile added to the ignore list for now...
03:54<jlgaddis>yeah, i'd love to, except that "Legacy 'ask' parameter no longer supported."
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03:55<borillion>I know this is debian server but small question I see that the Nook has a ARM Cortex-A8 and there is a cyanogen version of android that works for it already, is trying to compile the kernel from the nook a valid method to compile a kernel for another flavor of Cortex-A8 both of which are made by TI?
03:55<nsadmin>now, I see that exim4 sees the mail name as amdlaptop.mydomain.dummy
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03:58<nsadmin>so two things I was considering, if it turned out that exim4 did that delay-in-starting-up thing related to not being able to look up its mail name, can I present a different set of configs to exim4 depending on whether amdlaptop resolves or not?
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03:59<nsadmin>the other thing, is would it be useful to arrange for exim4 to start if I'm at home, or some dummy MTA if not?
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04:06<s_i_m>nsadmin, in this laptop I have exim4 runnig with a mailname like something.homelan, it is also in /etc/hosts pointing to 127.0.0.1. I am not actually sure that exim4 even tries to resolve its own mailname. let me check...
04:06<tuhin>does LXDE/openbox use any power manager (using laptop)? what's the name and how to config?
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04:07<webad_13>Hello to everyone. I hope that I'll be able to find help here. I am using debian squeeze 6.0.1 and I have set up static IP in /etc/network/interfaces --- this means that dhcp is not even started. However, my issue is that hostname is not sent from that server (it is not sent to the router or other computers)
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04:08<s_i_m>tuhin, probably you want laptop-mode-tools
04:08<webad_13>so the question is how to make the server send hostname --- is there an option similar to "send hostname " that is present in dhcp.conf
04:09<s_i_m>webad_13, do you want windooz machines to be able to communicate with your host?
04:11<webad_13>s_i_m: there is not problem in communication to say that they can't communicate. For instance when I use VNC to use the any computer within the network remotely (but trough this server), hostname is not shown on those computers but the IP
04:12<webad_13>also, since I use DD-WRT on my router - if I do arp, which gives u list of hostnames with their IPs
04:12<nsadmin>well you have one part exactly right: if you set up a static IP, it just runs ifconfig/route to establish all that, and nothing else. so, you would have to do something external to that in order to have the hostname for the static IP set up
04:12<webad_13>for Debian server, hostname is not shown
04:12<s_i_m>webad_13, that is normal. Unless you use WINS or avahi.
04:12<nsadmin>your debian server has an external static IP?
04:13<webad_13>No, internal
04:13<webad_13>but router has dynamic dns enabled
04:13<nsadmin>so this is a server for your internal use only?
04:13<tuhin>s_i_m: Synaptic says it will remove pm-utils and acpi support if i install laptop-mode-tools
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04:14<webad_13>yes it is
04:14<webad_13>I know I could edit /etc/hosts on every computer
04:14<webad_13>in my network
04:14<nsadmin>ok. well you could also run a dns server inside
04:14<s_i_m>tuhin, well, I do not have installed either of those, but its up to you to decide.
04:14<webad_13>but I thought that there might be an option to add to /etc/network/interfaces that says to send hostname
04:15<tuhin>so which is the best tool ?
04:15<nsadmin>then you would alter the names/IPs in one place
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04:15<s_i_m>webad_13, as I said you may want avahi-daemon or WINS
04:16<tuhin>!dpkg ubuntu
04:16<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:17<webad_13>s_i_m, do u know what is memory usage on those services, and which one do u prefer
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04:17<s_i_m>webad_13, first check that avahi has not been already installed
04:17<webad_13>nsadmin, setting up dns server would be a bit too much since all the comps would depend on this server for the resolution right?
04:19<webad_13>s_i_m, waking it up - give it a minute :)
04:20<nsadmin>do all the machines inside get theirIP via dhcp?
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04:21<webad_13>nsadmin, apart from the servers - there are two servers with static
04:21<webad_13>s_i_m, you were right - these services are not installed
04:22<s_i_m>weasel, then try installing avahi-daemon
04:22<s_i_m>oops
04:22<webad_13>hahahah
04:22<s_i_m>webad_13,
04:22<webad_13>np
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04:23<webad_13>so avahi-deamon is better iyo? - do u know the memory usage of it
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04:23<austinium>hi, whats the path for rc.local on Squeeze? /etc/init.d/rc.local??? is it the same for Lenny too?
04:23<webad_13>btw, would I need any kind of configuration after the install?
04:24<s_i_m>webad_13, normally it should work out of the box
04:24<s_i_m>austinium, /etc/rc.local
04:25<nsadmin>webad_13, you can configure your dhcp to pass the dns server address(es)
04:25<austinium>if for some reason the file is not present, can we create it ourselves?
04:25<s_i_m>austinium, sure
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04:26<austinium>this is related to a thread on LQ here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/debian-startup-script-873508/
04:26<s_i_m>austinium, but add a #!/bin/sh in the first line and do a chmod 755 /etc/rc.local after you create it
04:26<webad_13>nsadmin, dhcp server on router u mean?
04:26<nsadmin>the dhcp server that supplies addresses to the internal machines
04:27<webad_13>yes, that would be router
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04:27<nsadmin>a linksys or something?
04:27<s_i_m>nsadmin, webad_13, dhcp helps _a_ host to set up _its_ ip and hostname if configured, but it wont help other hosts to know that
04:28<webad_13>yes with DD-WRT standard on it
04:29<austinium>what is the difference between /etc/rc.local & /etc/init.d/rc.local?
04:30<austinium>i have them both on my squeeze box
04:30<nsadmin>s_i_m, and, there's a difference between having to set up /etc/hosts for each machine versus having one's own internal name server or yp
04:30<s_i_m>austinium, /etc/rc.local is not mean to be changed by an admin
04:30<s_i_m>sorry
04:30<s_i_m>/etc/init.d/...
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04:31<s_i_m>while /etc/rc.local is for the admin.
04:31<austinium>ok, so /etc/init.d/rc.local is not meant to be changed by the user/admin, it is for the system(Debian) to use???
04:31<nsadmin>all files in /etc are meant to be changed by the admin... people who think otherwise are crossing a line they shouldn't cross
04:32<nsadmin>the line that's crossed looks like this:
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04:32<nsadmin>IT'S MY MACHINE.
04:32<tuhin>to day i m first time in this irc
04:32<s_i_m>austinium, yes. /etc/init.d/rc.local is the system one that reads in /etc/rc.local changed by the admin.
04:32<tuhin>today*
04:33<austinium>thanks :)
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04:33<austinium>good day people
04:34<s_i_m>nsadmin, that is true, but if you change conffiles of some packages, than on upgrades you will have to merge the changes yourself again.
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04:34<s_i_m>the point is to separate configuration and the pure mechanics
04:34<nsadmin>we can argue that such packages are broken
04:35<s_i_m>nsadmin, no, they are not.
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04:35<webad_13>s_i_m, avahi-daemon installed and running, but router still does not get hostname
04:35<s_i_m>check routers config then
04:36<webad_13>it is all ok, because other computers get the hostname without problem
04:36<webad_13>would adding a line to /etc/hosts with its specific IP and hostname affect avahi
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04:36<webad_13>does it look in there
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04:37<webad_13>on the server I mean
04:38<nsadmin>s_i_m: this whole thing represents motion toward debian maintainer control over config and away from debian packages honoring what the machine owner wants. the further the movement in this direction, the greater trust and effort machine owners would have to exhibit toward debian maints
04:38<s_i_m>webad_13, other computers get the host name of the host with avahid-runnig?
04:38<s_i_m>n*
04:38<nsadmin>and we both know there are serious assholes doing maint
04:38<tuhin>which is the BEST laptop power management tool?
04:39<nsadmin>the one you pick from many
04:39<webad_13>ah, I need a minute to check that - if it is feasable at the moment
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04:39<s_i_m>nsadmin, I do not know what you are talking about. Most likely, you never changed the scripts under /etc/init.d/?
04:39<nsadmin>no, I have
04:40<nsadmin>and added my own
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04:41<s_i_m>so, then you must have a wish to separate configuration from the script mechanics. If you do not, then you either have to much free time, or just like when things are broken.
04:41<s_i_m>too*
04:42<nsadmin>and if you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't receive debian-private@d.o :)
04:42<s_i_m>well, you may very well be a DD, but still be generally wrong.
04:43<nsadmin>I'm not saying -most- are assholes...
04:44<nsadmin>but I am saying that the ones who save themselves work by reducing the control that a machine owner has are.
04:45<webad_13>s_i_m, I managed to connect to one of the computers and it does get resolved actually
04:45<s_i_m>webad_13, try restarting the router
04:45<webad_13>it says the proper hostname but there is also .local
04:45<webad_13>I think this is why DD-wrt is not resolving it
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04:45<webad_13>because of dnsmasq
04:45<webad_13>it does not allow dots
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04:46<s_i_m>well, maybe. I do know much about dnsmasq, i do not use it
04:46<webad_13>any idea why there is hostname.local ????
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04:46<webad_13>why not only hostname
04:47<s_i_m>that is the standard zone for zeroconf
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04:52<webad_13>s_i_m, is there a way to configure avahi so that it only sends hostname without anything attached to it?
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05:01<kyzer__>bonjour tout le monde
05:01<kyzer__>qui a hzv sur irc???
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05:03<nsadmin>kyzer__: welcome. in this channel you're welcome and requested to use english.
05:04<nsadmin>!fr
05:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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05:06<webad_13>s_i_m, having issues with my connection - I don't know if u gave any suggestions about disabling .local from avahi
05:06<webad_13>is it possible?
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05:13<vizor_>hi guys, does anybody know something about intel's widi support in Linux?
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05:19<nsadmin>can a dhcpd supply address of printer?
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05:19<nsadmin>I read man dpcpd.conf, I expected to find something like options printers <addr>
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05:36<Guest1242>Anyone here who knows rescatux?
05:37<SynrG>trying to rescue a debian system?
05:37<Guest1242>Yea
05:37<Guest1242>I only get into the crub/terminal when booting up
05:38<Guest1242>using the rescatux atm, but it doesnt really work
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05:38<Guest1242>ive followed the guide on their wiki
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05:39<SynrG>you want #rescatux on irc.freenode.net, then
05:39<Guest1242>ahh, nice
05:39<Guest1242>ty
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06:04<imperium>have a great weekend everyone
06:04<spekulatius>imperium: you too
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06:14<bluenemo>i kind of messed up my package management by installing some package via dpkg.. i get the error: E: The package caine-from-deb needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
06:15<bluenemo>i cant dpkg --force-all --purge it, reinstall and purge it and so on..
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06:15<bluenemo>how can i get rid of it by force?
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06:20<spekulatius>bluenemo: what is the error message when you "apt-get --purge remove caine-from-deb"?
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06:20<bluenemo>spekulatius, E: The package caine-from-deb needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
06:21<bluenemo>cool name btw.. have hunger for one of those now :D
06:21<SynrG>that's *all*? no earlier messages?
06:21<bluenemo>SynrG, yes
06:22<bluenemo>http://pastebin.com/fWjN5dhB
06:22<SynrG>dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq caine-from-deb
06:22*dpkg rips the still-beating --force-remove-reinstreq caine-from-deb from synrg's chest, leaving synrg in a coma.
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06:22<bluenemo>:)
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06:23<SynrG>dpkg, you are so witty
06:23<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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06:23<bluenemo>http://pastebin.com/ZY9XmKbe
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06:24<SynrG>exec format error? what? installed an amd64 package on an i386 system, perhaps?
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06:25<bluenemo>hm well it is for ubuntu 10.04 but i thought that would be ok.. website doesnt tell any arch so i thought i386 would be fine..
06:25<bluenemo>obviously it wasnt :D
06:25<bluenemo>got it here: http://www.caine-live.net/page5/page5.html ( caine-from-deb)
06:26<SynrG>file /var/lib/dpkg/info/caine-from-deb.postrm
06:26<bluenemo>empty
06:26<SynrG>i386 on an amd64 system is fine. just not the other way around
06:26<SynrG>oh! well ...
06:26<SynrG>rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/caine-from-deb.postrm
06:28<bluenemo>i love you guys :) (worked) what would the world be without #debian :)
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06:28<bluenemo>thank you very much for helping me on this one!
06:29<SynrG>the packaging is garbage
06:29<SynrG>complain bitterly to the site
06:29<SynrG>this would break *anyone's* system
06:29<SynrG>i just downloaded the deb and extracted it for examination. the .postrm is indeed a completely empty file
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06:30<Largetoke>How are you guy doing
06:30<SynrG>yet is executable (so has no hashbang line)
06:30<SynrG>hence "Exec format error"
06:30<bluenemo>lol
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06:31<bluenemo>funny thing is that all i wanted is to get the dam dc3dd.deb... was dam tired and noobing around with it failing after breaking my system :D
06:31<Largetoke>I just installed Debian on my Amd64 and am having a little bit of a problem. Do you all mind if I throw out a little question?
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06:31<bluenemo>Largetoke, go ahead
06:31<SynrG>!ask
06:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:31<Largetoke>thanks
06:32<Largetoke>ok man I'm having trouble with installing new software using the package managers
06:32<Largetoke>I'm new to linux
06:32<Largetoke>but I've been using windows a decade
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06:33<Largetoke>I've used Ubuntu and had no trouble what so ever
06:33<bluenemo>Largetoke, if you are completly new you might want to start with ubuntu. debians target audience is professionals, ubuntus is linux starters and those who dont want to pay and have viruses and just want to use the computer
06:33<SynrG>or you could just use debian, and go on and tell us your real problem :)
06:34<bluenemo>Largetoke, the debian way of installing software is apt-get or graphicly synaptic (i think :D - only use the cli..)
06:34<Largetoke>yea I I've came to the same conclusion
06:34<Largetoke>graphicaly snaptic ok
06:34<bluenemo>SynrG, sorry :)
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06:34<Largetoke>well I'll give it a try and keep reading
06:34<SynrG>Largetoke: what, specifically, is your problem?
06:35<bluenemo>ok well then in cli, first of all always apt-get update, then apt-cache search 'searchphrase', choose a package, apt-cache show packagename, if you like it apt-get install packagename
06:35<Largetoke>can't get like anything to install
06:35<Largetoke>ahh
06:35<SynrG>Largetoke: what have you tried, and what happens?
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06:36<Largetoke>I download like firefox and it won't just normally with a wizard type thing install
06:36<SynrG>you know iceweasel is firefox
06:36<Largetoke>i have that and use it
06:36<Largetoke>main problem is getting flash to work in browsers
06:36<Largetoke>i've used chromium and iceweasel
06:37<SynrG>flash works fine with iceweasel
06:37<SynrG>!adobe flash
06:37<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
06:37<Largetoke>maybe i just need to check the settings again
06:37<SynrG>wtf? why are we recommending dmo here?
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06:38<SynrG>i would say, make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list contains 'contrib' and then install the flashplugin-nonfree package.
06:38<Largetoke>ok debian-multimedia.org let me check it out thanks
06:38<SynrG>no
06:38<SynrG>i recommend *against* that
06:38<Largetoke>ok
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06:39<SynrG>instead, just append "contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
06:39<Largetoke>i see your next to last post now ok
06:39<SynrG>e.g. if you have a line that says "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main"
06:39<SynrG>change it to "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib"
06:39<SynrG>after that, apt-get update ; apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
06:40<Largetoke>alright got you
06:40<Largetoke>thanks alot
06:40<SynrG>(where, of course, your mirror may differ from what i have indicated above)
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06:40<Largetoke>yea no problem thanks alot any help is nice
06:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 464] by debhelper
06:41<Largetoke>a buddy of mine erased my desktop win 7 and ubuntu,lol
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06:41*bluenemo is dreaming about a debian which doesnt need prop software..
06:41<Largetoke>damn buddy
06:41<Largetoke>well thanks yall
06:41<bluenemo>dont cry for windows ;)
06:41<bluenemo>not worth the anger..
06:42<SynrG>Largetoke: by the way, what drew you to debian?
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06:45<cahoot>overzealous buddy it seems
06:45<bluenemo>Largetoke, btw also if you installed debian above the old installation, there might still be a way to retrieve your data if you had some on windows and ubuntu and didnt make backups.. i can help you if you are interested
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06:51<SynrG>just wondering if "do we have a valid executable" is a possible test beforehand
06:51<SynrG>ECHAN
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06:55<Fastidius>hi all, whats the best way to start a shellscript as root on boot? currently living in /root folder
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06:58<bluenemo>Fastidius, copy it to /etc/rc.local and make it executable
06:59<abrotman>!run at startup
06:59<dpkg>Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
06:59<Largetoke>yea overzealous a bit got me on a track one sec
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07:02<bluenemo>dont init.d scripts have to have options like start stop restart and so on? i thought there were special conditions for them?
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07:03<abrotman>they don't *have* to ...
07:03<bluenemo>ah ok stupid question (overseen the skeleton..)
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07:09<Fastidius>abrotman: script 'startvm.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides same permissions as the other scrips in init.d
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07:10<abrotman>Fastidius: and?
07:10<abrotman>!lsbtags
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07:10<abrotman>!lsb tags
07:10<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts
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07:13<Fastidius>abrotman: so when you say "they don't have to' you mean they do nowadays in debian...?? or does -f force make it not matter?
07:13<abrotman>Fastidius: if you use the @reboot in the cron, you don't need LSB headers
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07:14<Fastidius>ahh cool, i'll do it that way as it seems that the init'd way is less for shell scripts now 8)
07:14<abrotman>or you could have had the rc.local execute your script
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07:26<Fastidius>abrotman: thanks dude all going fine now after rebooting
07:26<Fastidius>abrotman: *passes abrotman a beer*
07:26<abrotman>yay
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07:32<bcsaba>Hi guys I've got problem after rebooting my debian box on my hp 8440p notebook.
07:32<bcsaba>touchpad, wifi, sound stopped working. USB mouse and keyboard works only after unplug and plug again the cable.
07:33<bcsaba>Any idea what should be the problem?
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07:34<eoc>heya! I'm seeking advice on what guidelines to follow & what to provide where for a package to be whitelisted in the official debian repos. We've so far managed to dig this: http://wiki.debian.org/Games/Suggested#Unknown_Horizons which helps us (some parts are a tad outdated, e.g. the fife link reads fifengine.net nowadays) - so I'd like hints on what misses and what we need to add. thanks for reading this already :)
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07:44<bcsaba>Anybody, any idea for my problem?
07:44<cahoot>bcsaba: your debian is a stable one?
07:45<cahoot>i e no testing/sid
07:45<bcsaba>It's testing
07:45<bcsaba>all it happend just after some updates and a reboot.
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07:46<bluenemo>i'm writing a bash script that does a chroot.. mount stuff works excellent, it also chroots fine... sadly directly after the chroot, it discontinues.. when i 'exit' the chroot, it continues.. how do i get it to continue the script inside the chroot?
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07:46<cahoot>bcsaba: there was (is?) a bug related to udev/base-files i sid a few days ago - no idea if that affects testing though
07:48<bcsaba>cahoot: can I check it somehow if my system is affected?
07:48<cahoot>could start by checking the logs for what was updated
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07:49<bcsaba>what logs I have to check?
07:50<cahoot>/var/log/aptitudedpkg
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07:50<gsimmons>eoc: You might want to try asking in #debian-games on this network. I've updated the link to the FIFE website.
07:51<eoc>gsimmons: aye, joined. thank you for the update!
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07:55<bcsaba>I found an udev update on the logs. I try to downgrade for the 166-1 version.
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07:57<bluenemo>solved it... (chroot)
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08:01<bcsaba>cahoot: thank's a lot. udev downgrade and reboot just solved all the problems. :)
08:02<bcsaba>Menawhile i recognized that i use sid because i added recently sid sources to my system. so sid's udev update was the problem.
08:02<bcsaba>thank's again.
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08:17<nevyn>can someone put in the topic that udev 167-1 is waiting on a new kernel and that people should downgrade to 166-1 and hold udev and libudev0 or build a kernel newer than <someversion>?
08:18<metalfingers>Hey folks! I am going to perform a distrobution upgrade from Squeeze to Sid, & wanted to post a checklist here to see if i'm missing anything. I *really* appreciate any info/suggestions anyone might have to chime in...
08:18<nevyn>!sid
08:18<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
08:18<nevyn>!tell metalfingers about sid-upgrade
08:19<nevyn>!tell metalfingers about sid upgrade
08:19<metalfingers>1. rename /etc/apt/sources.list (all instances of squeeze to sid), and then apt-get dist-upgrade
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08:19<metalfingers>err... typos... thanks nevyn
08:20<nevyn>metalfingers: you probably want to use wheezy?
08:20<nevyn>which is the new testing.
08:20<metalfingers>Actually this is my main desktop, so i was thinking of just using sid.
08:21<nevyn>metalfingers: sid is broken today btw.
08:21<abrotman>!iyhtays
08:21<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
08:21<metalfingers>nevyn: you are correct! I need to use wheezy as it's the next major release.
08:22<metalfingers>Wow. I am very grateful.
08:22<metalfingers>lol.
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08:35<nevyn>not that testing is really an "upgrade" either.
08:35<bassmans>hi everybody
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08:37<bassmans>I 'm looking for help about install of grub on raid 1 hardware
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08:37<nevyn>what's the problem?
08:38<bassmans>it doesn't see the sda part
08:38<nevyn>what controller is it?
08:38<bassmans>neighter
08:38<bassmans>intel
08:38<nevyn>what's the block device?
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08:39<bassmans>2 hardisk 300 gb samsung on sata raid 1 hardware , parted by os install
08:41<bassmans>block device : i don't know sorry : where can i see it ?
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08:42<bassmans>nevyn sorry for my bad english I'm french and french channel is idle
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08:46<bassmans>nevyn: let it fall down I 'll try to find it by myself cause my english is too bad to give u good anwers
08:46<bassmans>thank's
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08:46<nevyn>hrm the "hardware raid" how hardware is it?
08:46<nevyn>is it a promise controller?
08:46<bassmans>asus sabertooth x58 motherboard
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08:47<bassmans>1366
08:47<bassmans>I'll give you all I had
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08:47<bassmans>intel controler onboard
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08:48<bassmans>I'll start install with cmd expert dmraid=true for launching install
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08:49<bassmans>but when grub wants to install on hd he doesn't find local part on the hardrive
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08:52<bassmans>controller seems to be southbridge intel ich10r incorpored
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08:55<nevyn>bassmans: it should find a dmraided thing.
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08:58<bassmans>nevyn it ask to me a place to install but refuse to do on
08:59<nevyn>question for dev's if there's a data package that's packaged as part of an app (in this case fretsonfire-songs*) that can also be used with other apps (performous) is it reasonable to request that the dependacies not require fretsonfire-game
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10:51<JohnDoe>Hell
10:51<JohnDoe>o
10:52<JohnDoe>can I use the UUID as fromiso device parameter in Debian Live?
10:52<JohnDoe>(grub.cfg)
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11:18<tharkun>Gentlemen does anyone know the name of the native debian package for no-ip?
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11:22<korencia>tharkun http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/no-ip
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11:24<korencia>tharkun is that what you wanted? If so, use google or search on this page for keywords in descriptions of packages or for their names or files they contain .... http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
11:25<tharkun>korencia: there used to be one on lenny and squeeze i just seem unable to find it now
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11:28<tharkun>,versions noip2
11:28<judd>Package noip2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.7-11; sid: 2.1.9-3
11:28<tharkun>What happened to the squeeze version?
11:28<tharkun>korencia: thanks
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11:29<JohnDoe>Does grub2 update the access time when it reads files from ext2 partitions?
11:29<korencia>tharkun you R welcome
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11:43<korencia>JohnDoe Maybe try IRC support of GRUB2 project: http://grub.enbug.org/IrcChannels
11:43<JohnDoe>thx
11:44<korencia>JohnDoe Probably no one in here is so much familiar with GRUB2 and I don't mind the debian GRUB would be so much different in this.
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11:45<JohnDoe>ok
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11:46<JohnDoe>I'm asking because I boot Debian Live directly from iso using the fromiso boot parameter, and the sha512 hash of the partition differs after reboot, although it isn't mounted by the live-system
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11:48<korencia>JohnDoe Mh.. It seems to me a bit strange.. But I'm not any familiar with this. All of ext2 partitions change their sha512 after live-iso reboot or only that one ?
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11:49<JohnDoe>I'll check
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11:50<korencia>(I'm going away for 30 min.)
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12:18<o_O>Âñåì ïðèâåò.
12:19<o_O>Åñòü ïðîáëåìà. Ñåé÷àñ îïèøó
12:19<__Alex_>!english | o_O
12:19<korencia>o_O what happened?
12:19<o_O>it is an English channel?
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12:19<korencia>korencia I think so..
12:20<korencia>o_O I think so..
12:20<o_O>ok =) I have a problem. Now I'll describe
12:21<__Alex_>o_O: Well, I'm waiting
12:23<o_O>Today I've installed Debian. DSL internet works very slowly. It's working through LAN, PPPoE. Everything with DNS is OK. But Internet through GPRS works normally.
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12:25<__Alex_>o_O: Strange.
12:26<o_O>google woorks good, but almost every other sites load very slowly
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12:26<korencia>Try to check latency (through ping command -if you know)
12:27<o_O>works fast enough
12:28<eof>DSL slower than GPRS? :)
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12:28<o_O>yeah
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12:28<korencia>OK. Then try wget to get the website you opened through DSL in browser
12:30<o_O>ok. Wait, please. I'll reconnect cabble to notebook.
12:30<korencia>OK.
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12:36<o_O>wget yahoo.com stop working on waiting for response
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12:38<korencia>Hm.. And wget google.com ?
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12:40<o_O>almost instantly
12:42<o_O>and sites like answers on google work good
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12:44<o_O>the same connection in mandriva works ok
12:44<SKyto>hi
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12:45<eof>o_O: try to open some pages (which you are trying with DSL and they slow opened) by their IPs
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12:53<o_O>the same. doesn't work
12:54<korencia>OK. Try to wget through http protocol some bigger file
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12:55<eof>e.g. debian netinst CD
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12:56<korencia>OK. And check the speed. Then Try to do the same through ftp. Maybe you have shaped usage of some protocols (because ping and ICMP packets were fast enought)
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12:59<o_O>I can't find any file. Nothing works except google.com
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13:00<korencia>ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz
13:00<korencia>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz
13:00<korencia>That file have 6262 KB
13:00<korencia>It is the same one in the both
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13:01<korencia>Are the download speeds for that files through wget different or the same?
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13:02<korencia>If different -different protocol = different speed . If no, then probably you have preffered only google's servers
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13:08<o_O>it doesn't load.but ftp.debian.org loads. How can I configure MTU?
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13:09<korencia>Hm.. Is it in MTU? Mh.. Wait a minute
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13:10<o_O>I don't know. But I should try =)
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13:12<korencia>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330973
13:12<korencia>What I don't understand: When I set the interface's MTU to 1404 ("ifconfig ppp1 mtu 1404" in my case) it seems to work. I cannot tell if it has any impact on performance (fragmentation?), but at least the errors are gone. ? Try this -maybe try another sizes (not only 1404)
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13:16<o_O>ifconfig: command doesn't found
13:16<o_O>Some needed package not installed
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13:17<korencia>No. For ifconfig you need to be root
13:17<towo`>not real
13:17<towo`>/sbin/ifconfig
13:17<towo`>works as user
13:18<korencia>It is in /sbin/ifconfig -and programs from /sbin directly runs commonly only root
13:18<towo`>no, it does not
13:18<arand>By default /sbin is not in the $PATH for users I think..
13:18<o_O>ok. I'll run it as a root
13:18<towo`>only /sbin is not in users path
13:18<Wild_Stallion>how can I make my notebook last longer on battery? On Debian Linux its only 45 minutes, while on Win Vista/ Win7 above 90 minutes.
13:18<korencia>Yes, works, but this operation for changing the interface needs (IMHO) root privileges
13:19<korencia>Wild_Stallion Hm.. maybe some cpu tools can help to use less frequency
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13:19<Wild_Stallion>freq is almost always at lowest level
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13:20<korencia>Mh.. Then try to turn of WiFi + sound
13:21<Wild_Stallion>howto turn off sound card? Is it OK to just turn volume to zero?
13:21<korencia>(Yes I know, it isn't the solution,but it makes my notebook running much longer)
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13:22<Wild_Stallion>But turning off WiFi does't have any effect.
13:22<wgrz>Wild_Stallion: if its intel you can use "powertop"
13:22<Wild_Stallion>I played a lot with this utility.
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13:24<korencia>Wild_Stallion Ineed to go away.. immediately. Try maybe google a bit. E.g. http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+notebook+more+battery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
13:24<Wild_Stallion>thx
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13:26<o_O>now, when I am trying connect to Internet, it stops on authentication and asking for password
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13:28<karter>good night :)
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13:29<o_O>now, when I am trying connect to Internet, it stops on authentication and asking for password
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13:30<o_O>I did ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
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13:30<o_O>as root ofcause
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13:31<korencia>o_O And after authetiction it work (at least so slowly?)
13:31<o_O>no
13:32<o_O>I can't connect
13:32<o_O>new problem =)
13:32<korencia>Hm.. And at least Google?
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13:33<o_O>nothing. It is asking password through I am typing right password
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13:33<korencia>If so, configure the previous MTU size
13:34<o_O>how?
13:34<o_O>I'm novice in linux
13:34<korencia>Do you have Windows on machine? If so, does it work OK on Win?
13:34<korencia>Mh.. THe same command as previous one, but write there the previous size of MTU
13:35<o_O>yes. Now I am sitting in Internet through this connection on Win
13:35<korencia>ifconfig ppp1 mtu 1404
13:35<korencia>On that same DSL connection? Does it work fine?
13:35<o_O>yes, it work
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13:36<o_O>and on mandriva it was working fine
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13:37<dinozzo>hey..i have installed debian recently.. but its strange it won`t start until i connect my phone...i boot from the phone..
13:37<korencia>http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE
13:37<korencia>Did you tried this?
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13:38<o_O>no. Now I'll try
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13:39<Wild_Stallion>korencia: Thanks for your help, I will check out the third result howto from your link.
13:39*Wild_Stallion bows head in appreciation for your help
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13:40<dinozzo>hey..i have installed debian recently.. but its strange it won`t start until i connect my phone...i boot from the phone..
13:42<dinozzo>i have installed debian from my phone.my microSD..now the pc won`t start untill i connect the mobile to the pc..and at start i press F8 and choose my phone to boot
13:42<sney>dinozzo: did you install from a usb drive?
13:42<sney>ok
13:42<dinozzo>yes sney from my phone
13:42<sney>it installed grub on the phone. what is the device name of your hard drive? like /dev/sda etc
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13:43<dinozzo>dont know
13:43<sney>ok, in a terminal type 'mount' and tell me what the first line says
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13:45<dinozzo>first line is: /dev/sdal on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
13:45<sney>ok
13:46<o_O>I've installed pppoeconf, but when i'm trying to run pppoeconf, it's error unknown command
13:46<sney>so make sure your phone is unplugged, and in the terminal (as root) type: 'grub-install /dev/sda'
13:46<dinozzo>be right back
13:47<sney>o_O: the pppoeconf binary is in /usr/sbin, so by default only root can run it.
13:47<o_O>sney: thanks. It's really so))
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13:48<sney>since it handles network configuration you probably need to be root anyway
13:50<mehdi_>hey guys is possible to have diffrent wallpaper in diffrent workspaces?
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13:53<o_O>korencia: now connection estabilishing, but work only google.com
13:53<o_O>korencia: I've run pppoeconf
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14:03<dinozzo>sney, it says installation finished, no error..now what?
14:03<dinozzo>should i restart the pc..to see what happens?
14:03<sney>I would
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14:06<o_O>korencia: Thanks a lot for tolerance of my owful English)) But nothing helped.
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14:10<i3_>Anyone on?
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14:11<sney>...
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14:12<dinozzo>sney, it worked.. thanks
14:12<sney>no problem
14:12<dinozzo>:)
14:12<dinozzo>i am newbie in linux..i used windows untill now..
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14:13<sney>well you seem to be picking it up ok
14:13<dinozzo>sney, another question.. can i get firefox on debian? this epiphany..i don`t really like it :D
14:14<sney>yeah. mozilla and debian had a legal disagreement, so firefox on debian is called 'iceweasel'
14:14<sney>it's the exact same program though.
14:14<dinozzo>its strange that i cant see videos on youtube
14:14<sney>and 3.5 is available by default, if you want 4.0 you can get it at http://mozilla.debian.net/
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14:17<dinozzo>sney, don`t u know why can`t i see videos on youtube?on every video it says that an error occured,try again later
14:18<sney>dinozzo: you need the flash plugin or you need to use youtube.com/html5
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14:18<dinozzo>adobe?
14:18<sney>!adobe flash
14:18<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package available for squeeze and lenny-backports. Ask me about <dmm> <bdo> <non-free>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. See also <flash amd64>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
14:19<sney>I think html5 is better though
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14:20<dinozzo>i dont understand :D
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14:21<sney>if you go to www.youtube.com/html5 and join the html5 trial, then your videos won't be flash and they will just work
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14:24<positiveinflux>greetings
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14:26<sney>hi
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14:27<positiveinflux>haven't been here in years
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14:32<vmassuchetto>i just did an apt-get upgrade, and now theres an annoying popup every time e select any URL asking me where I want to open that URL. I have no idea where this came from...
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14:40<todd_dsm>hey all, I'm a centos guy new to debian. I'm trying to list all installed packages on my system. Is this correct: apt-cache pkgnames ?
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14:40<jackyf>todd_dsm: no, 'dpkg -l | grep "^ii"'
14:41<todd_dsm>jackyf: what was I looking for?
14:41<todd_dsm>sorry, what was my command telling me?
14:42<jackyf>todd_dsm: list of all packages in repositories
14:42<todd_dsm>roger that. thank you for the assist.
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15:18<Modular>hello everyone. I often run virtual machines with debian. would it be helpful to recompile the kernel specifically for vm's?
15:19<daemonkeeper>What should that "special" requirements be?
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15:29<jhutchins_lt>Modular: I think the host kernel is usually pretty much stock.
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15:32<Modular>daemonkeeper: just slimmed down. I remember recompiliing kernels for faster boot times.
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15:33<daemonkeeper>Since Debian's kernel packages compile almos everything not essential as module you shouldn't worry
15:33<daemonkeeper>*almost
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15:49<spekulatius>does anybody know what file format "MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 32 kbps, 44.1 kHz, Monaural" is? audio or movie?
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15:59<towo`>spekulatius, should be audio
16:00<spekulatius>strange
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16:24<jhutchins_lt>spekulatius: Not knowing what gave you that info, that could be the audio track of a video as well.
16:24<spekulatius>i give it back to the dude who gave it to me and tell him to give me a format that plays in Audacious :P
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>spekulatius: Get mplayer from dmm - it'll play anything and it just works.
16:27<spekulatius>mmh, thats an idea. thanks!
16:29<debiankde>VlC works pretty well
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16:31<korencia>I'm also voting for VLC.
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16:50<saretta>sera
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>VLC has more features (like streaming) but doesn't have as high an incidence of "just works" as mplayer.
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>It is probably the next most reliable video player.
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17:02<j_v>I'm looking for documentation on setting up lvm2 on an existing install that uses traditional partitioning. Does anyone know if this is possible without reinstall?
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17:12<eof>j_v: lvm setup will erase all your data at partiotion
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17:14<j_v>eof: thanks for the tip. I suspected as much, but haven't found relavent details in lvm-howto
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17:19<j_v>perhaps I will make clone of existing install, setup lvm2 from cd boot, then restore clone to new layout
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17:23<eof>j_v: you need to backup data
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17:23<j_v>eof: no doubt. this isn't as trivial as i had thought it might be
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17:25<j_v>most of the docs i've found are at least 2 to 3 years old. nothing seems to address conversion to lvm2 except from lvm1
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17:33<kop>j_v: You can always install lvm in unpartitioned space and copy things into your new lvm partitions. But that requires extra space.
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17:37<j_v>kop: Thanks... that sound like a good option. I have plenty of disk, just need to copy some stuff around to arrange it. Then I can install lvm as you suggest and later add previously used space to the lvm, leaving a boot partition outside lvm ilooks to be wise also.
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17:57<ComradeHaz`>Hey all. Net install, latest stable, hangs at first prompt when booting from CD. Any thoughts?
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18:01<j_v>ComradeHaz: could be a number of things. I would start by checking for damaged or incomplete cd media.
18:01<j_v>ComradeHaz: the image you made the disk could be corrupt, also.
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18:03<ComradeHaz`>j_v: Was my first thought, tried multiple CD's and even just tried Ubuntu disk
18:04<ComradeHaz`>Also crashes at it's equivelent place
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18:05<j_v>could be hardware prob, but i don't like starting with that assumtion. perhaps verify the checksums on the images you are burning. perhaps a problem with how you are downloading them.
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18:08<ComradeHaz`>Nah, work on other machines
18:08<ComradeHaz`>tempted to blame HDD contents
18:08<rockclimb>Hi all. Have any of you managed to submit a bug in the last few hours and get a response from the bug tracking system with a bug number? I put in an ITP and closed another bug nearly four hours ago, but no bug number.
18:08<ComradeHaz`>iirc could be two different RAIDs
18:08<ComradeHaz`>but it won't work with one disk, both disks or no disk
18:09<ComradeHaz`>not that booting with no disks helps much as they are ide and thus not hot-plugable
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18:10<j_v>ComradeHaz: getting over my head. but it does sound like disk config could be your trouble.
18:10<ComradeHaz`>Well as I say dies with no HDDs too
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18:10<ComradeHaz`>bloody odd
18:11<ComradeHaz`>this is my 'Test rig'. Used it for loads of linux unstalls over tha last year or so
18:11<j_v>ComradeHaz: sata drives set to raid in bios or raid controller
18:11<j_v>?
18:11<ComradeHaz`>no idea why it's playing silly buggers now
18:11<ComradeHaz`>Nah, BIOS too old for that
18:12<ComradeHaz`>no sata at all
18:13<ComradeHaz`>time to pull another machine out of the closet I guess
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18:13<j_v>sorry i couldn't help more
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18:20<ComradeHaz`>np j_v, ta for trying :)
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18:21<ComradeHaz`>Next step: Sledge hammer.
18:22<j_v>ComradeHaz: well, that should no room for doubts in the future ;)
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18:23<ComradeHaz`>xD
18:23<ComradeHaz`>Indeed.
18:23<ComradeHaz`>Best lecture at uni ever was a lecture on hacking, DoS etc
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18:26<ComradeHaz`>lecturer was talking about DoS and said I#ll demonstrate an example of DoS with this old linux box. (He turned on a box hooked up to the projector on the floor which began to boot.) He turned to watch the screen and we were all watching it boot and hardly noticed the bloke standing up on the front row who promptly attacked the box with a fire axe xD
18:26<j_v>what a riot. yeah, i guess that
18:26<ComradeHaz`>Was awesome.
18:26<j_v>is one hell of a denial
18:27<ComradeHaz`>took 3 blows to stop the boot sequence
18:27<j_v>rugged box
18:27<ComradeHaz`>(though only one to pause it!)
18:27<ComradeHaz`>Was hillarious
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18:27<ComradeHaz`>DoS in it's puirest form!
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18:28<kop>j_v: Yes. Leave /boot out of lvm (and out of anything but raid1). Also if you can start with a spare drive you can avoid splitting a drive into multiple physical partitions/lvm physical volumes just because you need to leave things as-is so you can copy the filesystems off. Best to do that in single user mode, mounted read-only.
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18:30<j_v>kop: thanks. all good advice, i think. perhaps even use a rescue disk for doing setups.
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18:30<kop>j_v: Sure. Not required but nothing at all wrong with that. It's nice too because it will (re)install grub without having to engage your brain.
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18:31<kop>j_v: Should you switch boot disks.
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18:32<j_v>kop: good point. this brain trips often enough. every way of safeguarding myself from silly slips is to the good.
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18:34<j_v>kop, eof: thanks for all the advice. greatly appreciated. (btw, found an pretty good tutorial as well)
18:35<j_v>ComradeHaz`: good luck. thanks for the laughs with DoS story.
18:35<j_v>later
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18:53<nsadmin>what's in debian that can tell me if a ttf font file is corrupt?
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19:08<sney>nsadmin: debsums could do it
19:08<sney>nsadmin: but you'd be checking the integrity of the font's whole package, not the single font itself
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19:10<nsadmin>right, I'd be looking to examine a font itself to check its data structures for sanity/consistancy etc
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19:16<spekulatius>nsadmin: you are able to validate fonts based on their data structure?
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19:23<nsadmin>spekulatius, no, so that's why I'm looking for a tool to do that for me
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19:24<spekulatius>nsadmin: i only know a solution vaguely that does what you need indirectly by probing signatures
19:24<spekulatius>its solved via plugins in Snort
19:25<spekulatius>- for Snort
19:25<nsadmin>signatures? so it doesn't look at the font itself?
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19:27<spekulatius>it basically wont care what type it is, either application, font, multimedia, ... and just look for certain patterns in the entire data stream that reaches your machine
19:27<spekulatius>so its very CPU intensive to run such a "Intrusion Detection System" on such a level
19:27<nsadmin>oh, thanks, but I'm looking for something that can examine a font itself and make sure the font (as a font) is not corrupt
19:28<spekulatius>maybe the whole concept works for a virus scanner?
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19:28<spekulatius>have you checked with clamav e.g.?
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19:39<nsadmin>spekulatius: no, you're not getting this... this is not a virus thing... I want something that parses a truetype font file and checks it for consistancy
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19:40<spekulatius>nsadmin: yeah, i am sorry for not getting this :D
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19:46<Eaxo>Hey, im trying to compile a 2.6.33.7 kernel with a rt patch and keep getting a make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2
19:46<Eaxo> make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2
19:46<Eaxo>for some reason, am i missing something?
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19:47<nsadmin>spekulatius: np... I noticed fontforge, not sure if it verifies tho
19:47<spekulatius>Eaxo: please pastebin a few more lines than just the ending of the error message
19:48<Eaxo>kk
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19:49<Eaxo>http://pastebin.com/2Jzk8v7f here you go :)
19:49<spekulatius>and Eaxo: please note that custom kernels are only supported by some volunteer helpers not all
19:49<JanC>nsadmin: fonttools might be useful too
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19:50<Eaxo>mkay
19:50<spekulatius>Eaxo: between line X-4 and the following rest nothing is missing?
19:50<spekulatius>cause in that case i dont have a clue why it fails
19:51<Eaxo>hum :(
19:52<spekulatius>Eaxo: do the patch makers have a mailing list maybe where you could ask?
19:52<Eaxo>no idea, i have to look it up
19:53<spekulatius>otherwise i would try to patch a higher version of the mainline kernel and test that
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19:54<Eaxo>ill try, but thats the highest realtime patch i could find
19:54<spekulatius>Eaxo: do you need those realtime features in thousands of microseconds range or do you just need a responsive desktop computer?
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19:56<Eaxo>dont know if i rly need them but the idea is to be able to run a game server with good performance
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19:56<Eaxo>so the computer is not running any gui
19:57<spekulatius>cause i think it was 2.6.35 or 2.6.36 when they introduced such nifty features in mainline, just not as ... "fine grained"
19:57<spekulatius>ah
19:57<spekulatius>dont apply the patch then and give the machine as much RAM as possible
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19:57<spekulatius>might help the most
19:58<Eaxo>but what kernel would you prefer?
19:58<Eaxo>suggest*
19:58<spekulatius>i would use a stock kernel, debian style. the one shipped with Squeeze. so you frequently get security updates
19:58<spekulatius>and only make sure the hardware is good enough
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19:59<Eaxo>yeah, but the stock kernel is the one im able to get from apt?
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19:59<spekulatius>yep!
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19:59<Eaxo>kk ill see if it works any better :)
19:59<nsadmin>you may need low latency but not necessarily rt unless the game server specifically needs rt
19:59<Eaxo>kk
20:00<nsadmin>rt is for (moreorless) precisely timed events
20:00<Eaxo>oh ok
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20:00<spekulatius>the default config does enough low latency for servers, i think
20:01<vlam>does anyone know a good alternative to samba that is easy to use?
20:01<spekulatius>vlam: sshfs
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20:01<nsadmin>maybe your networking will turn out to be the bottleneck if anything is
20:01<spekulatius>yeah, i agree with nsadmin
20:01<Eaxo>ok
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20:02<nsadmin>depending on how the client and server divide the work
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20:03<Eaxo>^
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20:04<Eaxo>btw the command to get the linux kernel from apt is apt-get install linux-image?
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20:04<vlam>How to I use sshfs command to access a windows share
20:05<spekulatius>Eaxo: right
20:05<Eaxo>and i need the image and the header files or just the image?
20:05<spekulatius>vlam: for windows shares you need smbclient. but you could install an ssh daemon on the windows machine if you really wanna replace samba
20:06<vlam>Well I just can't connect with samba from my Debian machine to my Windows machine and it's really upsetting me. A long long time ago I got it working but I can't remember how I can get it to working. I usually run into permission denied brick wal
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20:08<vlam>Very easy to have Windows machines connect to Linux machines with samba but it's hard to do the reverse
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20:10<spekulatius>i shizzle on microsoft products. so i cant help there...
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20:11<Eaxo>can agree with you there spekulatius, but the only prob with linux is that theres no mainstream support for gaming :(
20:12<spekulatius>yeah, so i stopped gaming :P
20:12<vlam>Well I have folder shared from my Windows machine. I also can see the folder I want to browse with Places >Network but it says Failed to mount
20:12<vlam>So I figured I'd mount it manually with the command line but I cannot seem to do that
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20:14<Eaxo>spekulatius: i would to but then again i wouldnt know what to do when im at the computer :P
20:14<spekulatius>:D
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20:16<Silicium01>hey guys, my squeeze is not mounting blockbuster dvds, any tips?
20:16<vlam>smbmount '//192.168.1.2/Darker than Black Season 1' share
20:16<vlam>mount.cifs: permission denied: no match for /home/tjb/share found in /etc/fstab
20:16<vlam>:(
20:17<spekulatius>Silicium01: debian-multimedia.org/.com and libdvdcss
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20:17<Silicium01>spekulatius, what is the line for sources for me to add/
20:17<Silicium01>?
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20:18<Eaxo>vlam what are you trying to build a media center?
20:18<spekulatius>Silicium01: the site has an FAQ. you just need to copy&paste from it
20:19<vlam>Eaxo: I'm just trying to mount my windows share so i can watch some videos across the network
20:19<spekulatius>i would buy one of these nifty little devices that are router & server in 1
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20:20<Eaxo>theres also the netgear opensource router with a usb port :P
20:20<Silicium01>spekulatius, thank you
20:20<vlam>eh this wouldnt be difficult if i had a dedicated linx media server but i just wanted to quickly want to watch some videos
20:20<Silicium01>spekulatius, is libdvdcss the only package I need?
20:21<vlam>its constant annoyance trying to mount a windows share
20:21<Eaxo>but vlam if your ever building a media center dont fiddlle with shared folders just sftp that shit :P
20:21<spekulatius>Silicium01: not sure, try it with the shipped movie player and see
20:21<spekulatius>maybe you need additional codecs for gstreamer
20:21<Eaxo>atleast thats what im doing, its a bad solution but its better than streaming .P
20:22<spekulatius>e.g. the *-plugin-bad or some such
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20:22<vlam>failed to mount with the Places > Network
20:22<arya>hello, is there a way to remove packages like gedit/totem without breaking my whole system?>;<
20:23<Eaxo>apt-get remove i guess (correct me if im wrong :P)
20:23<arya>you 're not wrong, but doing that, will break my system :p
20:23<vlam>like remove gnome or something
20:23<Eaxo>oh :P
20:24<arya>(it has dependencies like gnome-core which will "break" my system)
20:24<Eaxo>but what are you trying to remove?
20:24<arya>totem and gedit :p
20:24<arya>I don't need them <.<
20:24<Eaxo>oh, i guess you can do it the long way :P
20:24<Eaxo>remove them then reinstalling gnome :P
20:25<spekulatius>:D
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20:25<Eaxo>otherwise i have no idea xD
20:25<spekulatius>hehe
20:25<arya>you don't see the problem here xD
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20:25<Eaxo>still kinda new to linux ^^
20:25<arya>remove gedit --> removes gnome-core
20:25<arya>install gnome-core--> installs gedit xD
20:25<spekulatius>yeah, you need to keep gedit i suppose
20:25<user>guys I can't get squeeze to mount blockbuster dvd
20:25<Eaxo>hahah then you got yourself a problem xD
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20:26<arya>I guess lol
20:26<Guest1331>any ideas? Just installed the package from multimedia, didnt help
20:26<vlam>arya i guess you could hide it from the menu
20:26<Eaxo>can you mount the dvd?
20:26<arya>there is no point in doing that right lol
20:26<kop>!tell Guest1331 about overview
20:26<arya>I mean, I don't like them xD
20:26<kop>Guest1331: You'll need the decss libraries installed.
20:26<arya>I use emacs as an editor, who the hell needs gedit then :p
20:27<spekulatius>!overview
20:27<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
20:27<spekulatius>cool factoid
20:27<Eaxo>there should be a way to disable them i know that but dont know how xD
20:27<kop>!tell spekulatius about selftell
20:27<spekulatius>thanks!
20:27<Guest1331>kop dcss is the package?
20:27<vlam>idk i removed gnome-core then installed gdm3 and i got gnome without the extra software
20:27<kop>Guest1331: That's in the package name. There's likely a "lib" in the name too.
20:27<kop>Guest1331: I forget.
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20:28<kop>!tell vlam about why recommends
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20:29<Guest1331>kop, I have that installed
20:29<vlam>ok i'm not sure what that means kop
20:29<Guest1331>I can not even eject dvd, it spins, slows down then spins...
20:29<Eaxo>spekulatius: the compiling is going good (so far....)
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20:30<spekulatius>Eaxo: nice!
20:30<kop>Guest1331: Dunno. I found a few dvds (from sony?) that have badspots in them for copy protection. You can rip them with ddrescue but I didn't figure out how to play them.
20:30<kop>Guest1138: Try cleaning it. See also the dmesg output.
20:30<kop>vlam: It means you got all that stuff because apt was installing recommended packages as well.
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20:31<vlam>i install what i want though
20:31<kop>vlam: And you can prevent recommened packages from being pulled in by installing with aptitude -R, so as to get exactly what you want. (Although, as the factoid says, this is usually not what you really want.)
20:32<vlam>i just want the desktop environment not 20 extra programs with the environment
20:32<Eaxo>:P
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20:33<Eaxo>the persons at gnome would probably know how :P
20:33<kop>vlam: That's what the -R will help with.
20:33<kop>Eaxo: No, it's a debian packaging issue.
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20:33<Eaxo>good to know :)
20:34<vlam>aptitude -R says I have 8 broken packages, how do i fix those?
20:34<arya>this is probably the worst thing to do
20:34<arya>but I'm gonna do it anyways
20:34<kop>vlam: (It would tell you that without the -R)
20:34<arya>do we have an ETA for gnome3?(yeah worst thing ever, I know)
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20:35<Eaxo>guessing : as soon as its done and its confirmed stable :P
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20:35<arya>things don't get that fast in stable :p
20:35<vlam>Well I know but how to fix those broken packages
20:35<kop>vlam: See if "aptitude install" will recommend ways to fix things. If not, try using "aptitude reinstall" to reinstall the broken packages.
20:35<Eaxo>that i already know :P
20:35<kop>vlam: What version of debian?
20:35<Eaxo>if you want it that bad go for the unstable version :D
20:35<vlam>squeeze
20:36<arya>I 'm using wheezy, but I don't have an idea when it will get into wheezy
20:36<arya>it 's in experimental, but that broke my system as well xD
20:36<Eaxo>haha
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20:36<kop>arya: I believe I heard it will probably make it into backports for stable. Could be completely wrong.
20:37<arya>imo, I 'm living enough cutting-edge with wheezy, no need for sid lol
20:37<arya>thanks kop
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20:37<kop>vlam: If you were using anything but stable I'd say do an "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" first, and that wouldn't hurt in any case.
20:37<Eaxo>well the gui is cutting egde enoug :P and im living without it :D
20:37<Eaxo>enough*
20:38<Eaxo>altho it can get a little boring sometimes :P
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20:38<arya>try compiz :p
20:38<arya>never gets boring :p
20:39<Eaxo>meh that cutting edge resource eating thing :P
20:39<arya>oh, in that case, you 'd better go with LFS :p
20:39<vlam>kop: could you help me with an error. When I got to Places > Network > 'name of my other pc' > sharename it says mount failed
20:39<Eaxo>but its better than windows i suppouse :P
20:39<kop>vlam: Better to ask the channel.
20:39<arya>oh lord, everything > windows
20:40<Eaxo>idd :P
20:40<vlam>kop: no seems to have answered
20:40<kop>vlam: It's a samba thing. Try using the smbmount (??) command and see what the output is.
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20:40<Eaxo>i wish there were mainstream gaming support for linux :( i would reinstall faster than you can say linux
20:40<kop>vlam: If no one knows, try again later. Or you could try #samba on irc.freenode.net. They might know.
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20:41<arya>get a console lol :p
20:42<Eaxo>the only console for me is the good old NES :D but sadly its not any where near me to be plugged in :((
20:42<Eaxo>and the total amount of games you get for a console isnt that big maybe 5 or 6 tops
20:42*arya luves his ps3
20:42<vlam>kop: mount.cifs: permission denied: no match for /home/tjb/share found in /etc/fstab
20:43<Eaxo>i do got one of those here but no good games for it exept MGS4 :P
20:44<kop>vlam: Sounds like it's not configured, but I don't know what that means for samba. You probably need a fstab entry. First read the mount.cifs man page and try to use it to manually mount so you know what arguments are expected.
20:44<Eaxo>meh next project Debian in my car :D
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20:45<spekulatius>hahah
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20:45<vlam>kop: arguments are all correct
20:45<kop>Easy enough, there's plenty of fanless boxes for industrial use. The question is what would you use it for in your car.
20:46<arya>meeh, I need sleep, night all
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20:46<Eaxo>nn
20:46<Eaxo>kop, dont know XD
20:46<kop>vlam: Either they're not, or the box who's disk you're trying to share is not configured to share.
20:47<vlam>kop: its configured to share with everyone
20:48<Eaxo>if i could either make a gps system with a 3g connection then it would be kinda useful :P and just do it for fun
20:48<Eaxo>but the use for it would be near zero :P
20:48<vlam>whats bad UNC?
20:48<spekulatius>if somebody would ask me, then i would shut down anything wireless everywhere
20:49<Eaxo>why?
20:49<spekulatius>except those satelite things in the sky
20:49<Eaxo>shoot em down with a slingshot :D
20:49<spekulatius>in german we say "elektrosmog"
20:49<Eaxo>never heard of anything like that :P
20:50<spekulatius>almost like radioation. cant hear, cant feel and cant smell it
20:50<Eaxo>oh :P
20:50<spekulatius>radio-dingens!
20:50<spekulatius>cant spell anymore. too much coffee. *fading out*
20:50<Eaxo>xD
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20:51<vlam>i'm tired of permission denied
20:51<spekulatius>try a backdoor!
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20:51<spekulatius>i mean...
20:51<spekulatius>a walk around ... the block!
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20:52<Eaxo>man, this compiling takes ages.... think i forgot to remove some stuff from the kernel xD
20:52<spekulatius>3am - good moment for beer & schnitzel
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20:52<vlam>Windows can connect to samba shares easy but samba client cannot connect to windows shares.............
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20:54<vlam>wow i put a password on my windows account and the mount works perfect
20:54<Eaxo>haha windows in a nutshell
20:55<spekulatius>:D
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20:55<Eaxo>Heres an open door for you, but you cant enter it because some mysterious force is blocking the entrance..... Heres an locked door you have the key, you can enter :)
20:56<vlam>brb
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20:58<Eaxo>debian + xbmc = a good thing?
20:59<vlam>what is this xbmc?
20:59<Eaxo>a media center :P
20:59<vlam>oh
20:59<vlam>i believe i need some video codecs to play these mkv files
20:59<Eaxo>it was called Xbox media center when it was ported to the xbox :P
21:00<Eaxo>uh either go for vlc
21:00<vlam>i want to use banshee
21:00<Eaxo>hum
21:00<Eaxo>lemme lurk around for a bit :P
21:00<vlam>i believe there is some package for mkv files
21:00<kop>vlam: Could be there's a samba issue. Or that you first need to have connected once to setup kerberos or something and after that you could connect. Who knows.
21:01<Eaxo>vlam check apt if you can find a .264 codec
21:01<Eaxo>think that should do the trick
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21:04<vlam>sudo apt-cache search .264?
21:05<Eaxo>Vlam think i found something
21:05<Eaxo>http://matroska.org/downloads/linux.html
21:05<Eaxo>there youll find some libs atleast :P
21:05<kop>Eaxo: Installing from non-debian repos is a recepie for trouble.
21:05<Eaxo>meh :(
21:06<kop>Eaxo: If debian does the system's integration you don't have to. And debian is too large for any one person to know how to do it all by themself.
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21:07<Eaxo>^
21:07<Eaxo>^^
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21:07<kop>Eaxo: There are some solutions referenced in the <overview> factoid. Not all are good. Of course everybody's free to manage their system as they like. Good luck.
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21:08<Eaxo>ofc they are :)
21:09<Eaxo>btw doesnt gstreamer got mkv support?
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21:09<vlam>so what do i install?
21:09<Eaxo>no idea xD
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21:10<Eaxo>but if you can find gstreamer in the apt id probably go for that since it has been approved :P
21:10-!-slinker_1 [~chard@ip70-185-169-203.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:10<Eaxo>(if its stable that is)
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21:10<kop>vlam: Likely either something from <dmm> or just recompile the debian source packages and enable the codecs that are disabled for legal reasons.
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21:11<vlam>i wouldnt know how to do either of those
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21:11<Eaxo>but why would some codecs be disabled for legal reasons? :P
21:11<kop>Eaxo: You're joking right?
21:11<spekulatius>cause of some lawsuits
21:12<spekulatius>pedantic money making machines, kinda
21:12<spekulatius>but the debian-legal mailing list can explain better
21:12<Eaxo>kop acutally im not cant think of a single thing making em "illegal" exept if theres some patent preventing them :P
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21:13<kop>Eaxo: Bingo.
21:13<spekulatius>the copyright/patent holder needs to allow some things, thats all
21:13<Eaxo>:P
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21:13<Riiick>alguem br aii ?
21:13<spekulatius>basically, they just need to understand right how the internet works
21:13<Eaxo>meh
21:13<amphi>!br
21:13<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:13<spekulatius>instead of trying to work against the internet
21:13<Riiick>amphi e br ?
21:13<Eaxo>idd
21:14<amphi>Riiick: no
21:14<Eaxo>but they never will because they are just too greedy
21:14<Riiick>(/j #debian-br)
21:14<Riiick>oks
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21:15<spekulatius>if we all save a bit on resources we can do fine without those _stupid_ money making machines
21:15<spekulatius>and do clean business!
21:15<spekulatius>and make love and stuff :P
21:15<Eaxo>meh opensource is the only way to go imo :P
21:16<spekulatius>Creative Commons, The GNU Public License and smart & friendly people
21:16<spekulatius>huh? :P
21:16<Eaxo>yeah :P
21:16*spekulatius brings coffee for all
21:16<Eaxo>woooo :D
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21:19<kop>spekulatius: Love and stuff won't work. The only way is to change the law so that the greedy people find men with guns on their doorstep if they mis-behave.
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21:20<Eaxo>then well have to start our own hitman group :P
21:20<spekulatius>love creates peaceful people. peaceful people vote smart people. smart people figure out the right laws
21:20<kop>Eaxo: They're called "lawyers".
21:20<kop>:)
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21:21<Eaxo>wait what!?
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21:21<Eaxo>thats a good lawyer i suppouse :D
21:21<spekulatius>yeah, sorry. with "smart people" i meant politicians. but heck, ...
21:22<spekulatius>most of them are lawyers anyways, right?
21:22<spekulatius>just not smart enough to withstand lobbyists
21:22<spekulatius>maybe they need to grow some ... $BIRDS or smoke some Eminem - Not Afraid!!
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21:24<Eaxo>spek: they arent always that smart, look at sweden for example. just because usa threatened us we got fra and ipred (anti piracy laws, i know piracy is bad but theres better ways to deal with it other than making 80% of the population criminals)
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21:26<spekulatius>well, the complicated details can be figured out by scientists, experts and non-business-people
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21:27<Eaxo>^^
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21:27<vlam>i hate this laptop so much
21:28<Eaxo>bluescreened? :P
21:28<vlam>no the audio jack has always been screwy and im not using windows
21:28<Eaxo>^^
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21:29<vlam>ill be getting a new laptop errr netbook in a month or two
21:29<Eaxo>meh a notebook is to small in my opinion xD
21:30<Eaxo>net*
21:30<vlam>the one im getting has full size shift enter and backspace buttons
21:30<Eaxo>:O
21:30-!-culpower [~culpower@174-20-63-196.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #debian
21:31<Eaxo>whats the size of that netbook?
21:31-!-eoc_ [~eoc@pD956041C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
21:31<vlam>10.1 inch screen
21:31<vlam>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6710679&CatId=4947
21:32<Eaxo>oh thats just awesome :P
21:32<Eaxo>ive had the smaler eee pc i hated it xD
21:33<vlam>id rather have it says ASUS On the lid instead of eee in that icky font
21:33<Eaxo>yeah
21:34<vlam>Ill probably upgrade the HDD to a 32 mb cache and the ram to a higher freq
21:34<vlam>ssd is too expensive
21:34<vlam>and of course ill be installing debian on it :P
21:34<Eaxo>^
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21:34<vlam>dont want a start menu taking up half the screen
21:34<spekulatius>you guys are rocking my world, thank you so much!!
21:34<Eaxo>yeah the are soo expensive for 32 or 16gb ssd :(
21:34<Eaxo>np i guess? :P
21:35<vlam>and waiting up to a minute for win xp to start up
21:35<vlam>personally i really dont like xp
21:35-!-vera [~sam@cpe-066-026-228-240.triad.res.rr.com] has quit []
21:35<Eaxo>alto i found a 16gb ssd drive for about 51$ :P
21:35<Eaxo>altho*
21:35<spekulatius>careful
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21:35<vlam>heh the lowest price netbook they have is 189.99 with a 4 gb ssd lol
21:35-!-ant_ [~anton@gbibp9ph1--blueice1n1.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:36<Eaxo>careful?
21:36-!-ant_ [~anton@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #debian
21:36*spekulatius grins and says nothing
21:36<spekulatius>is: gone. dancing with the self
21:36<Eaxo>;( dont do this to me
21:37<spekulatius>sorry :P
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21:37<Eaxo>do any of you think its worth it to buy a 16gb ssd ? :P
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21:38<vlam>no unless its the root partition for linux or what windows is isntalled on
21:38<vlam>so the atom is only 32 bit processor?
21:39<Eaxo>uh dont think so i can look it up if you want
21:39<vlam>i was on wikipedia and the atom is under 32 bit but there are no details
21:39<Eaxo>Instruction Set
21:39<Eaxo> 32-bit unfortunately
21:39<vlam>but i think we need an intel 4004 processor
21:39<vlam>screaming 740 KHz
21:39<Eaxo>o.0
21:41<Eaxo>i wonder what that was capable of running tho :P
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21:42<vlam>well it was '71 so im not sure
21:43<vlam>what ever happened to voodoo video cards?
21:43<spekulatius>no idea
21:43*MrFrood thinks Eaxo and vlam need to visit www.twenex.org ;)
21:43<spekulatius>maybe a successor was released
21:43-!-wissem [~localhost@197.1.216.109] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
21:43<Eaxo>they went out of buisness and some of them joined nvidia
21:43<Eaxo>@MrFrood Wat!?
21:43<spekulatius>something with real magic maybe, not this pseudo voodoo-deldooo stuff
21:44*MrFrood whistles innocently
21:44-!-ant_ [~anton@deibp9eh1--blueice4n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:44<spekulatius>yeah, i see your whistle in the smokey sky... dude...
21:45<spekulatius> be careful when we meet next time
21:45<spekulatius>k?
21:45-!-afurlan [~afurlan@187.59.69.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:45<spekulatius>mirfurlan in african hands can become trendy soon, i suppose.......
21:46<spekulatius>sorry, that was off-topic
21:46<spekulatius>i meant ...
21:46<spekulatius>i go on break now3
21:46<spekulatius>2
21:46<spekulatius>1
21:46<Eaxo>fml, my kernels has been compiling for about 2 hrs soon (i think, god damn its full of random crap that i forgot to remove)
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21:46<vlam>it would be interesting if intel came out with high performance video cards lol
21:47<Eaxo>if they ever will
21:47<Eaxo>they arent even in the top with their ssd drives
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21:49<Eaxo>@MrFrood, interesting page :P
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21:53<vlam>i should probably get a quad core one of these days for my gaming desktop
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21:53<sney>intel has no reason to make performance video cards since they dominate the pc graphics market anyway, by way of integrated video. anyway, these discussions are better suited to #debian-offtopic
21:54<vlam>alright then
21:54<vlam>whats new with squeeze? im on 6.0.0
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21:55<sney>if you've been keeping up with updates you're actually on 6.0.1
21:56<vlam>neat
21:56<vlam>im used to ubuntu telling me to upgrade to a new version
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21:58<vlam>should i get kde netbook edition for a debian netbook or is gnome compact enough?
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21:59<Eaxo>gnome should do the trick
21:59<sney>I use xfce on my netbook, good combination of efficiency and gtk+ which I prefer to the kde/qt look and feel
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22:00<Riiick>alguem ai ?
22:01<Eaxo>english please :P
22:01<Riiick>ok
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22:04<vlam>so daemons are basically services in a windows sense?
22:04<Eaxo>yep
22:04<vlam>figured
22:04<Eaxo>(if im not mistaken xD)
22:04<sney>basically yes
22:05<vlam>why do people run firewalls like firestarter on linux machines?
22:06<vlam>windows i can understand
22:06<Eaxo>probably a second protection if they have a router i guess xD
22:06<MrFrood>vlam: because they find it easier than learning to configur iptables
22:06<sney>a linux computer can completely replace your router
22:06<Eaxo>^^
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22:06<vlam>im not running a firewall on any of my computers and im running a dd wrt router
22:07<XayOn>sney: Some linux routers can completly replace your computer. lol
22:07<vlam>i read into building a linux pc as a router but i dont have a pc for that
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22:08<sney>most of the time a linux router is an improvement- a $10 pawn shop PC might have a 600MHz P3, 256MB PC133, and a 10GB hard drive. add a PCI NIC so there's two and you're already far ahead of any off-the-shelf router, hardware wise
22:08<sney>Riiick: if you have a question please ask it in the channel
22:09<vlam>yes but configuring it is what im wondering how to do, theres probably a distribution dedicated to that
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22:09<Eaxo>there are
22:09<Eaxo>:P
22:09<Eaxo>but would be awesome to turn any dist to a router :D
22:09<sney>there are special firewall distributions like ipcop, or you can just install debian and use something like shorewall
22:09-!-aroundthfur [~change@host-125-110.panorama.sth.ac.at] has joined #debian
22:10<sney>I used a debian machine running shorewall as my router for about a year and a half until I switched ISPs
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22:10<vlam>but would you have a low amount of ethernet ports for the router
22:11<vlam>or would you buy a pci card that has a lot
22:11<Eaxo>thats the only downside or you can buy a switch xD
22:12<sney>I just kept my old d-link router, turned off NAT, and used it as a switch/wifi access point
22:13<sney>the network was WAY more stable
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22:13<vlam>what do you mean by stable
22:13<sney>and low-throughput stuff like IRC wouldn't get choked by someone torrenting
22:13<vlam>i only have 2 pcs on my network so i think my router is perfect
22:13<sney>it just worked, perfectly, all the time. my d-link I had to reboot once a month or so just to keep everything running smoothly
22:14<sney>yeah for small networks it's not a huge difference
22:14<vlam>my asus dd wrt router has been up for like 29 days
22:14<vlam>is dd wrt based on linux?
22:15<sney>no it's something else
22:15<sney>oh wait it is linux-based
22:15<sney>I was thinking of Tomato. and here we are in offtopic land again
22:16<Eaxo>haha isnt it wonderful here? :P
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22:17<vlam>so why are distributions based on debian unstable?
22:18-!-chealer [~chealer@modemcable022.66-37-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #debian
22:18<spekulatius>cause they are impatient for the stable release of debian maybe
22:18<vlam>or they like breaking people's machines?
22:18<MrFrood>vlam: because some people just want the latest toys and don't care about stability
22:19<spekulatius>or that
22:19<spekulatius>but diversity is good
22:19<spekulatius>so any fork can also be a chance for somebody
22:19<MrFrood>vlam: mostly recent ex windows users who have yet to learn the way of *nix
22:19<Eaxo>spekulatius, my compiling is finaly done !!! :D
22:20<vlam>yay?
22:20<spekulatius>Eaxo: and works?!
22:20<Eaxo>yeah YAY!
22:20<Eaxo>yeah ;D
22:20<Eaxo>for now
22:20<spekulatius>congrats
22:20<Eaxo>just gotta install the bastard :P
22:20<Eaxo>just hoping the thing will boot when its done .P
22:21<vlam>how fast would debian boot if it was on a ssd ?
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22:21<Eaxo>alot faster than a ide :P
22:21<vlam>i would hope so :P
22:22<MrFrood>Eaxo: ide - you mean you don't use a floppy boot?
22:22-!-dserban [~dserban@S0106001346beb5f3.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #debian
22:22<Eaxo>now your overdoing it :P
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22:23<MrFrood>nah, overdoing it would be suggesting you use an 8 inch floppy
22:23-!-adi [~adi@2001:470:b471:0:2dbb:a483:656e:7ed9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:23<Eaxo>ive got a better idea, stamped cards or whatever that was called :P
22:23<MrFrood>punched - used them at school
22:24<Eaxo>:D
22:25<Eaxo>MrFrood, how was it to use them btw?
22:26<MrFrood>Eaxo: slow, you did your prog, sent them off and waited two weeks for the result
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22:26<Eaxo>MrFrood, haha can imagine the frustation when the program had some errors xD
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22:27<MrFrood>eek!
22:27<Eaxo>spekulatius, the server booted again so its working so far :D
22:27<Eaxo>^^
22:28<vlam>why did you need to compile it yourself?
22:28<spekulatius>thats really good news. i can eat something now with a smile on the face
22:28<Eaxo>:)
22:28<Eaxo>vlam, i wanted 1000hz and a little more preformance on the server since its going to run some gameservers :P
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22:31<vlam>cool
22:31-!-byonk [~byonk@114-32-5-66.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
22:31<Eaxo>^^
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22:32<vlam>i dont have the connection to do gameservers
22:32<vlam>if i did id hav ea debian server running in a flash
22:32<MrFrood>vlam: so do a gopherserver ;)
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22:33<spekulatius>:)
22:33-!-kenyon [~kenyon@darwin.kenyonralph.com] has joined #debian
22:33<Eaxo>i got a 100/100 connection here but im thinking about moving the server to a 1000/1000 connection :P
22:33<vlam>gopherserver?
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22:34<MrFrood>vlam: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gopher_%28protocol%29
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22:35<spekulatius>lol
22:35<MrFrood>id that is to much for your internet connection you could try a finger-server
22:36<Eaxo>question, what are they both rly used for? xD
22:37<MrFrood>Eaxo: goper & finger?
22:37<Eaxo>ya
22:37<MrFrood>Eaxo: information delivery
22:37<Eaxo>oh :P
22:39<MrFrood>Eaxo: finger happy@sdf.org (you can get that from the info why I join & part - and it don't work as an email addy)
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22:41*MrFrood wonders if it is just him or are we getting way off-topic?
22:41<Eaxo>if i knew how to :P
22:41<Eaxo>Nope we are ON topic :D
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22:42<MrFrood>Eaxo: just type it at the command prompt - go on live danoursly
22:42<MrFrood>*dangoursly *I need a spell checker cos that is wrong to...
22:42<Eaxo>hahaha
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22:44<Eaxo>oo man that was faaaar to dangerous :P (Drunk teddys and all o.0)
22:44*MrFrood giggles
22:44<MrFrood>finger rocks
22:44<vlam>i found a hdd/ssd hybrid
22:44-!-kurohige [~libertad@r190-135-209-13.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #debian
22:44<vlam>strange
22:45<MrFrood>https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3bcdcc6?output=gplain&pli=1
22:45<vlam>'93
22:45<Eaxo>wow thats old :P
22:46<MrFrood>but on topic :)
22:46<Eaxo>haha :)
22:46-!-chrispluns [~chrisplun@75-148-60-126-Knoxville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #debian
22:46<chrispluns>is there a dump of the wiki? I'd like a local version
22:47<Eaxo>wait what?
22:48<Eaxo>whats wrong with the wiki?
22:48<vlam>see you guys later
22:48<Eaxo>c ya
22:48<chrispluns>Eaxo: I'm offline most of the time; nothing wrong with it
22:48<Eaxo>oh :P
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22:49<chrispluns>but is there a dump or backup, usually found in Special:Statistics
22:49-!-chrispluns [~chrisplun@75-148-60-126-Knoxville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit []
22:50<MrFrood>chrispluns: there is software in the repros that can make a local copy of a web-site - can't remember what it is called though
22:50<Eaxo>MrFrood, think you were too late :(
22:50<Eaxo>:P
22:51<MrFrood>I noticed
22:53<Eaxo>meh, its getting late..... eh early..... im off to bed before the sun shines trough my damn window good night everyone :D
22:53<MrFrood>gn
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23:31<meteor>türk varmı
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23:39<gentest>hi
23:39<gentest>how to block ads in iceweasel
23:39<gentest>not popup but on screen an ad that popups like a bubble (and itsnot even flash)
23:39<gentest>some kinda java script or something
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23:43<taffit>gentest: apt-cache search block ad iceweasel
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23:43<sney>iceweasel is firefox, so adblock plus
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23:44<gentest>taffit: thanks
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