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---Logopened Sun Apr 10 00:00:43 2011
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00:28<nueces>hi, somebody can point me to the place where the files from the packages in the new queue are?
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00:31<edbian>When I change colors in System -> Preferences -> Appearances -> Customize -> Colors it has no effect. What can I do?
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00:33<jrabbit>[32058345.610031] svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97).
00:33<jrabbit>Wtf
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00:34<jrabbit>my debian testing box is turning into a minefield :(
00:36<edbian>Additionally my menus don't change with the theme
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00:53<nevyn>what's the reccomended location for large application data sets?
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01:04<mesaber>i have a real problem which is my mic isn't working>
01:04<mesaber>plz help
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01:15<paq>anyone send fax's from their computer?
01:15<pidoo>hi, what is the package which add standard folders in the personal folder with Gnome (e.g : music, video, public, documents, downloads) ?
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01:24<jrabbit>FUCK nfs is hjosed
01:24<jrabbit>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.kernel/69632
01:25<jrabbit>Not just me :(
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01:27<spekulatius>heh
01:28<jrabbit>What the fuck
01:28<jrabbit>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621918
01:28<jrabbit>They updated to rpcbind
01:28<jrabbit>without changing the deps
01:28<jrabbit>:S
01:28<jrabbit>That worked.
01:30<spekulatius>please try to use family friendly language expressions
01:31<spekulatius>we have lots of minors amoung us
01:31<jrabbit>Sorry. when apt-get stabs me in the back I get mad
01:31<spekulatius>they should not adapt the foul language of adults
01:31<jrabbit>Haha
01:31<spekulatius>:P
01:31<spekulatius>not yet!
01:32<spekulatius>apt-get moo
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02:37<th0th>hello
02:38<th0th>my network-manager applet in tray doesn't seem to be working
02:38<th0th>i am now connected to internet but it doesn't indicate so
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03:08<Guest1352>can i triple boot debian w vista and ubuntu...vista and ubuntu are already installed ntfs and ext4
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03:10<nevyn>Guest1352: yes you can even share a homedir between ubuntu and debian with a little effort
03:10<Guest1352>awesome! is it easy to do?
03:11<nevyn>depends on a bunch of stuff.
03:11<nevyn>in particular how you installed ubuntu
03:11<Guest1352>id like to split my windows partition again, thats how i installed ubuntu
03:13<Guest1352>or can i only split the last partition...ubuntu? which wold be unacceptable because windows has 350gb and ubunut only has 150
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03:28*nutterpc bops
03:28<nutterpc>triple boot
03:28<nutterpc>why stop there
03:29<nutterpc>u can do as many as u want, effectively
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03:29<nutterpc>altho *cough* why would u want anything else other than Linux :)
03:29*nutterpc whistles innocently
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03:31<paq>multiple boot is useless cause in the end you only boot one
03:31<nutterpc>mhmm
03:32<nutterpc>hence why would u wanna have anythin else than GNU/Linux
03:32<nutterpc>:)
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03:53<alexander>hello
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03:53<alexander>is anyone using debian ustable at the moment?
03:53<cahoot>!ask
03:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:55<alexander>i installed debian wheezy supposed to be the latest unstable debian distro but all the packages are really old.what have i done wrong?
03:56<streuner_>You shouldnt run sid/unstable if you dont know the difference about wheezy and unstable
03:56<cahoot>hard to say - the description is rather sweeping and unprecise
03:57<streuner_>alexander: what kind of packages seems to be old for you, btw?
03:57<alexander>kernel, gnome desktop, firefox through iseweasel everything
03:59<streuner_>Kernel in sid is actually .38, GNOME is a bit behind bunt, naturally, and 2 (FF) is available...
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03:59<alexander>streuner_ i am on .32
04:00<streuner_>alexander: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin
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04:02<alexander>streuner_: can you remind me the path of it?
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04:02<streuner_>alexander: paste.debian.net
04:03<streuner_>alexander: /etc/apt/sources.list
04:03<cahoot>alexander: if you don't even know where to find sources.list ...
04:03<streuner_>alexander: but, sorry, if you have these kind of questions, you should run a little time stable, IMO
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04:04<streuner_>alexander: stable is just released, so you have a system which is mostly up-to-date...
04:04<alexander>don't mind about that guys...that's a problem of mine to solve.i'd appreciate any help given or not
04:06<alexander>http://paste.debian.net/113570
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04:09<natty>Hello alex
04:09<streuner_>the sources.list has 2 entries about wheezy
04:09<natty>are you there?
04:09<alexander>yes natty
04:09<streuner_>You dont need the line for CDROM too...
04:09<streuner_>(if you have a working i-net connection)
04:10<natty>do you use moblin?
04:10<alexander>natty: no
04:10<natty>does anyone use moblin?
04:10<alexander>streuner_: so?
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04:11<natty>i searched through the channel list and it seems to be unpopular
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04:11<natty>I hear its for developers?
04:11<streuner_>alexander: download stable installer and reinstall?
04:12<alexander>streuner_: but i don't want the stable version
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04:12<streuner_>well
04:12<natty>hello cahoot, how do you do?
04:13<natty>do you use moblin?
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04:13<natty>are you there?
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04:15<natty>I tried to make my moblin connect with connection manager and it doesnt seem to have that ability
04:15<natty>can anyone help?
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04:16<alexander>streuner_: what can i do then?
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04:18<natty>hello myon, are you there?
04:19<natty>I need your help
04:22<alexander>streuner_ , cahoot thanks for the help. bye
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04:23<natty>alex....
04:23<natty>is there anyone who can help?
04:23<natty>I want to exploit moblin..
04:25<natty>I cannot install any program in moblin
04:25<natty>is there anyone that can help?
04:26<natty>It will not allow configure && make,
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04:30<amitz>natty: http://jeff.jones.be/technology/articles/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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04:32<amitz>also http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html , but for your first issue now: be more specific, what error messages do you see, pastebin it.
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04:37<natty>I am having problems installing drivers in moblin,
04:38<natty>can you help?
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04:40<bones_was_here>!moblin
04:40<dpkg>Moblin (Mobile Linux) is a distribution and application stack for netbooks, nettops, Mobile Internet Devices and embedded systems. The Moblin 2 distribution is based on <Fedora> and is not supported in #debian. http://moblin.org/ #moblin on irc.freenode.net.
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04:40<natty>thanks,
04:41<natty>i believe that #moblin is a channel,
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04:41<natty>do you want me to check it out?
04:42<bones_was_here>its probably the best place for moblin support...
04:42<bones_was_here>you need to join the freenode network
04:42<natty>yes sure,
04:42<natty>but how?
04:43<natty>bones, do you read?
04:43<natty>bones, do you read me?
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04:44<bones_was_here>well in quassel, i would pick 'configure networks' from the file menu
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04:44<dinozzo>hey .. how can i install windows from debian using a USB (microSD from phone) ?
04:44<iuza>can anyone help me with my dial-up modem ? thnax
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04:47<dinozzo>anyone?
04:47<Hydroxide>dinozzo: do you mean install debian from windows using USB? if you're trying to install windows, this isn't the right place to ask for help
04:47<bones_was_here>you cant do a conventional windows install from inside another operating system, also windows doesnt support installing to or from usb storage without being hacked
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04:48<dinozzo>Hydroxide, thats what i want..to install windows...then what is the right place
04:48<Hydroxide>bones_was_here: some fancy legit ways may exist depending on which version and license of windows, but it's definitely beyond the scope of #debian :)
04:48<dinozzo>bones_was_here, my cd-rom is not working..i dont have another option
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04:48<Hydroxide>dinozzo: I have no idea. there are probably windows-specific IRC chatrooms on some networks, and some web forums and other things.
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04:49<Hydroxide>dinozzo: plus paid support. microsoft does have lots of no-cost documentation on their website, though it's complicated
04:49<arand>dinozzo: There's always ##windows on freenode
04:49<iuza>can anyone help me with my dial-up modem . it does't work ? thanx
04:49<Hydroxide>dinozzo: I can tell you that any way of installing windows from USB will be entirely unrelated to debian, and you probably wouldn't be doing it while booted into debian
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04:51<Hydroxide>arand: I continue to be surprised by how freenode allows ##windows to exist on a network that's supposedly about free and open source software... (I doubt its focus is FOSS on windows)
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04:52<Hydroxide>of course I'm not doubting freenode's general focus. s/supposedly/mostly/ would be more what I meant
04:52<arand>Hydroxide: Well, though it's good to be able to refer people there I guess..
04:52<arand>A bin is generally a nice thing to have, although you may not like the contents ;)
04:53<natty>ubuntu tweak doesn't seem to be compatible with my ubuntu,
04:53<Hydroxide>arand: it's definitely good to be able to refer people to places, sure. that's different than hosting the targets
04:53<natty>it wont install,
04:53<arand>!ubuntu
04:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:53<natty>bones- i need help with installing ubuntu tweak
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04:54<natty>dpkg- i read you
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04:55<natty>will you host a newbie or ot?
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04:57<Hydroxide>natty: dpkg isn't a human and can't answer any questions except from the set of answers people have taught it. but the advice it gave you is correct. we can't support Ubuntu or Ubuntu Tweak here. please go to #ubuntu on irc.ubuntu.com (aka irc.freenode.net) for help with Ubuntu. I'm not sure whether they support Ubuntu Tweak or not, but if not, that doesn't make it any more within what #debian can help with.
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04:58<natty>its okay, i get you
04:58<iuza>can anyone help me with my dial-up modem . it does't work ? thanx
04:58<natty>Hydroxide: i get you
04:58<Hydroxide>natty: good luck.
04:58<natty>Hydroxide: thanks
04:58<Hydroxide>iuza: in order for anyone to help, we'd need more information. first of all, how doesn't it work, and what are you trying to do, and what version of debian is this?
04:59<iuza>lenny
04:59<iuza> Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
04:59<iuza> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company NC6000 laptop
04:59<iuza> Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
04:59<iuza> I/O ports at 3400 [size=256]
04:59<iuza> I/O ports at 3800 [size=128]
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05:00<iuza>sorry
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05:00<Hydroxide>iuza: no worries. the large amount of pasted lines is hard to allow in a busy channel like this, that's all
05:00<gsimmons>judd: pciid 8086:24c6
05:00<judd>[8086:24c6] is '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0m' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24c6 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0m' module.
05:00<gsimmons>dpkg: tell iuza -about slmodem
05:00<iuza>i have already tied it
05:01<Hydroxide>gsimmons: great, glad you seem to have relevant knowledge. I don't :) [note he's running lenny]
05:01<Hydroxide>iuza: hopefully gsimmons can help you.
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05:01<iuza>thanx
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05:46<civfan>Would it be unadvisable to use btrfs(with a newer kernel) on a 2TB disk volume and a high compression ratio to maximize storage space? Has anyone done this or can see any pitfalls?
05:47<petemc>"Note that Btrfs does not yet have a fsck tool that can fix errors. While Btrfs is stable on a stable machine, it is currently possible to corrupt a filesystem irrecoverably if your machine crashes or loses power on disks that don't handle flush requests correctly."
05:50<civfan>Good hardware and good working backups. Okay.
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05:50<arand>civfan: Also, the more recent the kernel, the better, is the generela idea with btrfs.
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05:51<civfan>arand: that is why I said with as new as kernel as is packaged
05:51<civfan>also I have a UPS
05:51<arand>Ah, yea.
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08:11<funber>помогите поднять иксы на geode )
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08:22<josephseraos>Good morning. I've installd Debian Squeeze, now I'd like to enable my 3d video. I have a Dell Inspiron and it has an Intel Video. Could you help me?
08:23<SynrG>!intel-gfx
08:23<dpkg>[intel-gfx] The intel <Xorg> driver provides 2D/3D support for Intel integrated graphics chipsets, including the i810, 915{G,GM}, 945{G,GM,GME}, 946GZ, 965{G,GM,Q}, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41; the <GMA 500> is not supported. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-intel, see also <intel-gfx shadow>, <nopointer>. http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ #intel-gfx on irc.freenode.net.
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08:23<SynrG>what's the problem? if you have a supported chipset, 3D should 'just work'
08:24<SynrG>did you do a standard 'Desktop' install or something else? (it's possible, if you did a minimal install, to not have the appropriate packages)
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08:25<SynrG>josephseraos: first of all, what did you do to test 3D?
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08:27<josephseraos>SynrG, Nice. I'm Ubuntu user, ok? And it enable automatically
08:27<josephseraos>SynrG, And Debian didn't
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08:32<josephseraos>SynrG, $ lspci | grep Network returns 12:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
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08:38<josephseraos>SynrG, hei, here http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI there is BMC4312, but doesn't have BMC4313, like I showed you lspci command
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08:41<SynrG>network?
08:41<SynrG>we've switched topics? you asked about 3D graphics
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08:42<SynrG>if you're satisfied that 3D works now and want to move on to network, please say so.
08:42<SynrG>otherwise, let's address one problem at a time
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08:44<civfan>Gentlemen.
08:45<dodddummy>SynrG, i'm getting a lot of questions about the nvidia 260 driver. usually with 8400 gs card. doesn't seem to work. but the 270 beta does.
08:46<josephseraos>People, I've installed Debian Squeeze, and I can't do my 3d video work. When I put "lspci | grep Network" command, it returns "12:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)" Could you help me?
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08:46<cahoot>that looks like two unrelated matters
08:47<cahoot>old news obviously
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08:51<deux>hi everyone - when i try to move files (about 20Gb) to my external HD the transfer rate drops to like 500kb/s
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08:52<deux>anyone has any idea why this would happen?
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08:53<SynrG>josephseraos: i've asked you some questions to help with that. you've given me unrelated information in response. if you don't answer our questions, we can't help.
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08:54<SynrG>josephseraos: did you install 'Desktop' or something else? what did you do to test 3D?
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08:55<josephseraos>SynrG, Sorry
08:55<josephseraos>SynrG, I made some mistakes
08:57<josephseraos>SynrG, Well, when I minimize a window it works as when I didn't 3d in Ubuntu
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08:58<josephseraos>SynrG, When I put ALT+TAB, I can see just the borders of window
08:58<SynrG>josephseraos: you mean, you're looking for 3D desktop effects?
08:58<SynrG>this is not the same thing as "3D doesn't work"
08:58<SynrG>i think you're looking for compiz, which debian doesn't install by default
08:58<SynrG>!tell josephseraos about compiz
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09:07<SynrG>josephseraos: got it sorted out?
09:08<josephseraos>SynrG, Oh, I see now. :D
09:08<josephseraos>SynrG, Thank you, I'm going to see and try to understando anything.
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09:27<JustLurking2Day>Can anyone tell me what a few of the more active debian channels are?
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09:36<JustLurking2Day>Anyone??? Bueller?
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09:41<josephseraos>SynrG, I've installd compiz, like this page (http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz) shows, When I run the fusion-icon command, it returns WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug!
09:42<josephseraos>SynrG, will compiz work if drive is not installd?
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09:50<JustLurking2Day>Can anyone tell me what a few of the more active debian channels are?
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09:51<cahoot>could try #debian on freenode.net
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09:53<alexsander>Hi!
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09:54<alexsander>Can anyone here helpme with an issue I got whith Squeeze?
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09:57<sraka1>hello
09:58<asyhar>im newbe, can anyone tell me hw to run compiz on xubuntu?
09:58<sraka1>i
09:58<sraka1>am in an endless loop with installing java from the repos
09:59<asyhar>??
09:59<towo`>this is the debian channel
09:59<towo`>not the ubuntu one
09:59<sraka1>I know
09:59<sraka1>anyways
09:59<sraka1>rofl
09:59<asyhar>thanks
09:59<sraka1>the problem with reinstalling is this: http://pastebin.com/ERKarmVj
10:00<sraka1>but, if I try to remove --purge it debian wants to install openjdk instead of sun-java6
10:00<sraka1>can't aptitude JUST LEAVE ME WITHOUT A JRE AT ALL?
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10:01<sraka1>and also when it tries to install openjdk it fails miserably
10:01<sraka1>so, I'm stuck
10:02<sraka1>I don't have a working JRE, I can't remove, I can't reinstall
10:02<sraka1>how do I fix this
10:02<sraka1>and also at some point in time I removed /usr/lib/jvm
10:03<sraka1>so, basically what I'm asking is how to remove sun-java6 without aptitude trying to replace it with openjdk
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10:03<sraka1>???
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10:06<alexsander>I'm getting slow web surfing on squeeze. Maybe something with dns resolution. Can anyone help me?
10:06<towo`>deactivate ipv6
10:06<towo`>if you use iceweasel
10:07<alexsander>The problem occours in any browser.
10:07<alexsander>How can I disable ipv6?
10:07<towo`>for iceweasel about:config ==> set network.dns.disableIPv6 true
10:10<alexsander>Great!! It worked! Thanks!!!
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10:24<civfan>towo`: What is with the slowness in iceweasel if ipv6 is enabled?
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10:25<civfan>Seems you knew the problem off-hand, possibly very common.
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10:25<towo`>if your provider does not support ipv6, the 1st dns query is lame, because it's a ip46 query
10:25<towo`>ipv6
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10:28<josephseraos>SynrG, As this page (http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz) shows, I installed compiz, compizconfig-settings-manager, etc. So, when I run fusion-icon command in terminal, it returns the following message: "WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug!"
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10:30<civfan>towo`: Why does iceweasel make ipv6 dns query over ipv4 interfaces by default
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10:31<towo`>civfan, because it's the default setting
10:31<towo`>civfan, ask the mozilla devs
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10:31<civfan>I'd ask the iceweasel packagers
10:32<towo`>no
10:32<towo`>it's an upstream setting
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10:34<civfan>towo`: So are a lot of things, IIRC iceweasel was created both to be free of the licensing issues and 'integrate' the software better with debian's system. This could fall under that.
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10:34<towo`>civfan, this is an mozilla setting
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10:34<towo`>has nothing to do, with debian, or iceweasel
10:34<towo`>plan firefox has the same setting
10:35<towo`>*plain
10:35<civfan>towo`: If it has nothing to do with iceweasel then why does it effect iceweasel?
10:35<civfan>I'm going to search for a bug report
10:35<towo`>pecause, it's firefox?
10:35<towo`>s/p/b
10:35<towo`>and iseweasel is build from firefox sources
10:36<civfan>Iceweasel is not firefox, it is a rebranded build.
10:36<towo`>and it's not a bug
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10:36<towo`>civfan, it's build from the same source
10:39<daemonkeeper>From its technical perspective, Iceweasel is Firefox minus some small things.
10:39<daemonkeeper>So it shares all bugs, features, problems of Firefox
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10:47<Ernestus>but why don't they package firefox instead of iceweasel?
10:48<SynrG>!tell Ernestus about why iceweasel
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10:53<Torn>hi
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10:53<Ernestus>I don't understand why other distributions (example ubuntu) use firefox...
10:53<Torn>someone can help me?
10:53<daemonkeeper>Because for other distributions Mozilla didn't argue.
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10:54<daemonkeeper>And some others just don't care about the points, Debian had.
10:54<dodddummy>Ernestus, it's a freedom thing.
10:54<gsimmons>Torn: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
10:54<Torn>im using backbox
10:55<Torn>and it only start with acpi off
10:55<Torn>what I have to do
10:55<Torn>to fix this
10:56<SynrG>Ernestus: i think the factoid i sent you explains adequately ... did you read it?
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10:56<Ernestus>Yes, I did!
10:57<SynrG>basically, mozilla foundation shot themselves in the foot with their own trademark agreement
10:57<SynrG>why they didn't relax it to meet our terms, i will never understand
10:57<SynrG>i think later they did change their tune, but by that point the damage had been done
10:58<gsimmons>Torn: The BackBox distribution is not supported here. You would want to join #backbox on irc.autistici.org for support.
10:58<Torn>ook
10:58<Torn>thanks
10:58<daemonkeeper>Because they are bullish as Debian is.
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10:58<SynrG>how did that decision benefit mozilla foundation? i just don't see it (and anyway, this is for #debian-offtopic if we want to continue :)
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11:00<Ernestus>Thanks for the information you gave me
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11:05<Triver>oi
11:05<Triver>alguem poderia me ajudar, estou tentando instalar driver grafico da sis do meu notebook, mas na existem drivers oficiais para debian
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11:08<Riiick>hello
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11:10<Ernestus>hi Riiick
11:10<Triver>ops
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11:11<Triver>hello, how can i install sis driver?
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11:12<Ernestus>have you looked on the website?
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11:12<cahoot>looking for xserver-xorg-video-sis ?
11:12<SynrG>sis what? video or network?
11:12<SynrG>!tell Triver about sis
11:13<Ernestus>http://www.sis.com/download/ Linux driver are avaiable
11:13<Ernestus>*drivers
11:13<Triver>there is no debian driver
11:13<Triver>only rpm redhat in sis site
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11:13<cahoot>why don't you respond to questions?
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11:14<SynrG>Triver: typically debian does not rely on vendor-provided drivers. they are included in the kernel and in xorg in debian itself.
11:15<SynrG>so, no separate download needed
11:15<Triver>ah
11:15<SynrG>what hardware is not working for you? network or graphics?
11:15<Triver>graphics
11:15<Triver>isnt good
11:15<SynrG>what in particular doesn't work? resolution?
11:15<Triver>yes
11:15<Triver>everything(graphic) is poor
11:15<SynrG>pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:16<SynrG>i have to go now. bus to catch
11:16<SynrG>others here should be able to help
11:16<SynrG>!paste
11:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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11:16<Triver>ok
11:16<lapfrog>hey guys, I'm trying to modify a few lines of code in a package, without having to reinstall it and its dependencies from source. any idea how i can do this in debian?
11:18<Triver>SynrG http://paste.debian.net/113591/
11:18<Triver>SynrG i need a better driver, I want run compiz here and nes emulator xD
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11:19<daemonkeeper>lapfrog: Is it important to you, to have the changes reflected in the package? If so, you can't do else but to reinstall a patched version. If you just want to get your changes, just edit installed files (but make sure they won't be overwritten)
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11:20<lapfrog>daemonkeeper: i need to mention that i'm editing a C file so i need to recompile
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11:20<Guest1375>identify
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11:21<daemonkeeper>lapfrog: Well, same here. You can just replace the binary then.
11:21<daemonkeeper>Obviously you need to recompile somewhere once
11:21<lapfrog>yes but i can't obtain the binary without having an newer version of one of its dependencies
11:21<lapfrog>gstreamer is the dependency
11:21<lapfrog>and the package is gst-plugins-bad
11:21<lapfrog>and i can't install a newer version of gstreamer without uninstalling the current one
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11:22<daemonkeeper>I just don't get your problem, might have to do with the fact I know few about gstreamer.
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11:23<lapfrog>the point is dozens of other packages depend on gstreamer
11:23<lapfrog>so uninstalling it is not really an option, just to modify a few lines of code in one of its child packages
11:24<daemonkeeper>Well, why don't you do "apt-get source gstreamer", adapt your sources, bump version to a newer (local!) version, and upgrade it?
11:25<lapfrog>i'm trying that right now
11:25<lapfrog>oh also
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11:25<lapfrog>DNS queries are very slow
11:25<lapfrog>in windows it works fine, any idea what i can do to make it run like normal?
11:25<daemonkeeper>Check your /etc/resolv.conf
11:27<lapfrog>what am I to check?
11:27<daemonkeeper>Well, if the nameservers listed there are right for you.
11:28<lapfrog>it's 192.168.2.1 (router)
11:29<lapfrog>what should it be?
11:29<daemonkeeper>You have to know, maybe your router is just right.
11:30<lapfrog>well obviously it is not, since name lookups take seconds
11:30<lapfrog>shouldn't I have the name servers from DHCP?
11:31<daemonkeeper>You do, since you got your router's IP which acts as resolver on your behalf
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11:31<cahoot>not another case of ipv6 lookups slowing things?
11:31<daemonkeeper>Try "dig +trace google.com" (or whatever) and see where things are slowing down.
11:32<lapfrog>cahoot: i suspect as much
11:32<lapfrog>and i've tried a few things to disable ipv6, but not working yet
11:33<daemonkeeper>blacklist the module and reboot
11:33<cahoot>and reconfig the kernel
11:33<lapfrog>what's the module name?
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11:33<Ernestus>i go. bye!
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11:33<daemonkeeper>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6
11:34<daemonkeeper>blacklisting ipv6 works as well
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11:35<lapfrog>but what's the ipv6 module name?
11:36<cahoot>lsmod|grep ipv6?
11:36<lapfrog>i did, nothing came up
11:36<daemonkeeper># alias net-pf-10 ipv6
11:37<lapfrog>blacklist net-pf-10
11:37<lapfrog>blacklist ipv6
11:37<lapfrog>i just added those in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
11:37<lapfrog>and i suppose i have to reboot
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11:38<daemonkeeper>I think you need to set it to "off"
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11:38<daemonkeeper>But in any case you need to reboot
11:38<lapfrog>oh
11:38<lapfrog>alias net-pf-10 off ?
11:38<daemonkeeper>Think so
11:39<lapfrog>ok rebooting brb
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11:44<SynrG>hm. too bad. my bus didn't get me home in time to help Triver. looks like he ended up with VESA instead of SiS. the log didn't really help explain why, though :/
11:45<lapfrog>it's performing somewhat better though still crappy
11:46<daemonkeeper>Well, I never said this would be your problem, cahoot just made a random guess :)
11:46<towo`>in actual debian kernels, ipv6 is not a module, so blacklisting does nothing
11:47<towo`>ipv6 must be disabled per kernel-command
11:47<daemonkeeper>That's what mentioned in the Wiki too
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11:56<lapfrog>derp
11:57<lapfrog>grub conf?
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12:12<Slingshot>hello
12:12<lapfrog>yes
12:13<Slingshot>I am having an issue with gnome and squeeze. Every so often it seems gnome will freeze. I can move the mouse but the panels do not work.
12:13<Slingshot>If i do a ctrl+alt+f1 i can manage to reboot
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12:13<Slingshot>is there any logs I can look at to try and determine what is happening?
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12:14<daemonkeeper>syslog may be a hint
12:14<sdqali>Hi!
12:14<sdqali>I need some help
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12:15<daemonkeeper>!help
12:15<daemonkeeper>!ask
12:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:15<daemonkeeper>I mean
12:16<sdqali>I changed my apt config to point to wheezy two days ago. After that I have been observing that whenever I do a 'drag and drop' operation in any application, the application crashes.
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12:16<sdqali>I observe this with PcManFM, thunar, and chromium-browser among others
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12:17<Slingshot>not finding anything apparent in the syslog
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12:17<sney>check Xorg.0.log too perhaps
12:17<Slingshot>good idea
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12:19<Slingshot>I do have this in the user log
12:19<Slingshot>Apr 10 11:36:14 penguin bonobo-activation-server (nickmikeyrjjessray-3024): could not associate with desktop session: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-lh7QPdYlWu: Connection refused
12:20<Slingshot>nevermind .. that is a red herring
12:20<sney>sdqali: did you do a full-upgrade after you changed your sources.list?
12:20<sdqali>sney: Yes, I initially did a safe-upgrade and then did a full-upgrade
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12:24<Slingshot>i have a ton on nxserver errors. I just uninstalled nxserver as I like VNC a bit better anyway
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12:24<Slingshot>but I doubt that is causing the issue
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12:26<K0JIbKA>Update Manager keep asking me of 'safe-update'. I keep confirming it to be done 'safe'. How to get rid of it?
12:27<Slingshot>found the error guys
12:27<Slingshot>happened right at the time of crash
12:27<Slingshot>Apr 10 10:42:06 penguin kernel: [37477.520015] [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... GPU hung
12:27<Slingshot>Apr 10 10:42:06 penguin kernel: [37477.520031] render error detected, EIR: 0x00000000
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12:27<Slingshot>sorry was that too big to paste?
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12:30<sdqali>Where should I start looking to hunt down the cause of the problem I am facing?
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12:36<Slingshot>found the bugID for my problem
12:36<Slingshot>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573264
12:36<Slingshot>annoying bug
12:37<jhutchins_lt2>sdqali: Thank you for helping to test wheezy. Please report bugs/errors.
12:37<sdqali>jhutchins_lt2: No problem
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12:38<sdqali>I turned on logging in chromium-browser and the log shows this "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_slist_free_full"
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12:41<priyesh>i'm trying to use rtorrent and it can never connect to the tracker
12:43<petemc>do the same torrents work with other clients?
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12:48<_SlingSHot_>well the problem just happened again
12:48<_SlingSHot_>it is discussed here. I do not like any of the suggestions.
12:49<_SlingSHot_>http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/gui-freezes-on-debian-6-0-0-a-865349/
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12:54<pistolpete>is NFS needed to run wheezy "testing" as my boot screen says it fails to start is several places, I've never used it how can I stop my system from trying to load it?
12:55<daemonkeeper>NFS is not needed
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12:55<pistolpete>daemonkeeper: where should I look to stop my system from trying to load it at boot?
12:56<priyesh>petemc: nope
12:56<daemonkeeper>pistolpete: What exactly is started?
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12:57<_SlingSHot_>guess i have no choice but to scrap squeeze for the time being ... this sucks
12:57<arno>Hi, I'm using unstable, and a few days ago, I had to start adding some stuff in /etc/modules, in order for things to work: snd-hda-intel, ac, battery because sound and some other stuffs were not working anymore. I still didn't manage to have cpufredq work again by the way. Do you known which upgrade could have caused such changes ?
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12:57<sney>arno: the udev update probably
12:58<petemc>priyesh: then it sounds like its either the torrents or your internet connection
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12:58<pistolpete>daemonkeeper: it's not starting it, I just get the failure message that it tried and was not able to do it.
12:58<priyesh>petemc: not the torrent since it works on my pc
12:58<Gerowen>Question, just installed Debian 6 a few hours ago on a machine with an ATI Radeon 3100 graphics card. I successfully installed the proprietary drivers, however since doing that my CPU fan no longer speeds up when temperatures rise, it just idles at a very low speed, is there any way to fix this?
12:58<arno>sney: ok, thanks
12:58<priyesh>petemc: just not on my server
12:59<petemc>then it sounds like a problem with the servers connection
12:59<daemonkeeper>pistolpete: client or server? You can try to disable everything having "nfs" in its name in /etc/rc2.d/ (use insserv -d)
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13:00<pistolpete>daemonkeeper: thanks l'll look there.
13:00<petemc>pistolpete: if you have nfs installed and you dont need it you could just apt-get remove it
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13:02<priyesh>petemc: any ideas what to check?
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13:03<daemonkeeper>nfs-common, nfs-*-server
13:03<petemc>priyesh: unless you're running a firewall you dont know about, its likely your provider blocking bittorrent
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13:04<priyesh>petemc: can't be provider as its working on another pc on the same network
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13:04<petemc>iptables -L
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13:09<pistolpete>petemc: daemonkeeper: thanks I removed the nfs-common and 2 supporting files.
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13:09<pistolpete>now I need to reboot to see if that fixed the reported problem.
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13:13<sney>priyesh: do you forward torrent ports manually for your other pc or does it use random ones and just work?
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13:13<priyesh>sney: random and it just works
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13:13<sney>priyesh: for rtorrent you may need to specify and forward at the router
13:14<priyesh>sney: i've tried that with no luck
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13:15<pistolpete>removing nfs-common resolved the boot failure messages, thanks for the help!
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13:16<_SlingSHot_>/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt exist? Where is it?
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13:18<petemc>_SlingSHot_: its not used by default, you can create that file if you wish
13:18<_SlingSHot_>right. i forgot about that.
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13:19<_SlingSHot_>looks like I can fix my troubles by disabling dri
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13:27<mehdi__>hey fellas how can i have offline application installation?
13:27<petemc>cd or dvd
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13:27<mehdi__>hey fellas how can i have offline application installation?
13:28<petemc>you dont like the idea of cd or dvd then?
13:28<daemonkeeper>USB thumb drive works as well
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13:28<daemonkeeper>Or, more complicated, TFTP/BOOTP
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13:29<petemc>for package installation?
13:29<daemonkeeper>No
13:30<daemonkeeper>Well, perhaps yes, but that would be really obfuscated ;)
13:30<petemc>bootp is for assigning ip addresses
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13:31<daemonkeeper>Sure, I meant the whole concept of a network boot (installation)
13:32<mehdi__>is it possible to install for example vlc offline?
13:32<daemonkeeper>What don't you like on CD/DVD images?
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13:33<petemc>or have the courtesy to acknowledge suggestions rather than just reasking the same question
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13:37<pistolpete>maybe he's a little slow like me ;)
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13:40<mehdi__>there is nothing on cds
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13:41<petemc>mehdi__: all debian packages are available on cd/dvd/bluray
13:41<pistolpete>how are you planning on installing something offline without some kind of media?
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13:43<mehdi__>well i only have one cd that just install OS :D
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13:43<mehdi__>how can i get packages from another machine?
13:43<mehdi__>and install them?
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13:44<pistolpete>well that depends if you can connect to the other machine?
13:45<petemc>!apt-zip
13:45<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
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13:48<pistolpete>petemc: good answer, but I think you scared him off!
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13:50<pistolpete>petemc: as he says there is only one CD to install the OS, it might be better he gets the whole collection of CD's.
13:50<daemonkeeper>all 28!
13:50<daemonkeeper>(or so)
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13:51<pistolpete>well if you can't or won't go online, what then?
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13:52<pistolpete>I'm just talking off the top of my head as I'm just starting out myself and appreciate the help I found here today.
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13:58<mehdi__>how can i use apt-offline? i dont get the examples in man page
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14:03<sney>trial and error
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14:13<chealer>is it normal that udev 167 migrated to testing?
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14:15<daemonkeeper>judd: versions udev
14:15<judd>Package udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 167-1; wheezy: 167-1
14:17<daemonkeeper>http://packages.qa.debian.org/u/udev/news/20110410T163913Z.html Seems so, the transition period is over
14:19<chealer>OK, the changes in base-files 6.2 were reverted in 6.3. I suppose someone forced udev.
14:19<daemonkeeper>There is an automated transition after 7 days, from unstable to testing except during freeze times. Seems to be an ordinary Britney run.
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14:35<Riiick>hello
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14:37<Riiick>anyonde ?
14:37<Riiick>anyone ?
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14:37<daemonkeeper>Hi, please just ask your question
14:38<Riiick>you turn on compiz fusion?
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14:38<devil>thats not the kind of question…
14:38<Riiick>you can help me do things in compiz fusion !
14:39<devil>me for sure not, never seen it.
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14:41<Riiick>devil
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14:42<Riiick>take a look at this site
14:42<devil>zthanks, but no, thanks :)
14:43<devil>what kde 4 has to offer is more than i need already
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14:44<daemonkeeper>Now you scared him!
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14:46<devil>:)
14:46<devil>is kde 4 so frightning?
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14:49<daemonkeeper>Looks like?
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14:52<Datte>hey guys i installed ubuntu with every apps i need it and i want to install debia on a laptop but i dont wanto use "apt-get install" from internet how can i install apps on the laptop? and i dont have the cds or dvds
14:53<sney>!usb install
14:53<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
14:54<Datte>i only want the applications to be installed
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14:55<daemonkeeper>"only the applications"? How do you want to run those without Debian core system?
14:56<sney>I guess he wants to install them on his ubuntu system?
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14:57<sney>Datte: I think you need to do some more reading so you actually understand what you're doing. what you asked does not make sense.
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14:58<Datte>i installed the OS
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14:58<daemonkeeper>Debian?
14:58<Datte>but i dont want to connect to internet
14:59<Datte>i want to install program from my pc(wich has the apps i want already installed) to lapttop
15:01<daemonkeeper>Didn't you say you were running Ubuntu there?
15:01<Datte>well yea
15:02<Datte>i ask it there search it on google but got no answer except here
15:02<Datte>plus debian is the core of ubuntu
15:02<Datte>isnt it?
15:02<sney>!based on debian
15:02<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
15:02<syn-ack>Datte, you know that Debian and Ubuntu are no longer fully binary compatible right?
15:03<syn-ack>And that they haven't been for years
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15:04<Datte>i give up and desperate rite now can u guys help me?
15:05<daemonkeeper>Only if you opt to install Debian.
15:06<Datte>i got 3HDD and one of them is debian
15:06<Datte>one is ubuntuand the other is fedoara
15:06<syn-ack>...
15:06<Datte>my brother uses opensuse
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15:07<george_>hello
15:07<syn-ack>Datte, You're starting to confuse me as much as you yourself are confused.
15:07<Datte>lol
15:07<sney>Datte: we cannot help you mirror your ubuntu configuration on debian without a network connection. It is probably not possible.
15:07<sney>hi george_
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15:08<Datte>so will u guys tell me how can i use apt-offline
15:08<Datte>u guys just give me hint i mirror it myself
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15:10<george_>I've looked for this for a while, I can't find out how to deal with or change debian/rules. I'm trying to build a few things from source, and gcc keeps giving me errors involving debian/rules
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15:10<Class>i'm planing to upgrade my dns server. so i need to replace primary dns server temporary. what will be the easy way to do this ?
15:11<syn-ack>Class, forward to something like openDNS?
15:11<Class>syn-ack, i have authoritative zones :((
15:12<syn-ack>ouch
15:12<daemonkeeper>Class: What's the problem? Upgrade it, restart, done?
15:12<daemonkeeper>Probably test it before
15:13<syn-ack>daemonkeeper, Sounding to me like he has hardware to upgrade
15:13<syn-ack>needs to take it completely offline
15:13<petemc>this is what secondaries are for
15:13<syn-ack>daemonkeeper, Since you have Authoritative Zones on there, do you have a vm you can set up as a secondary?
15:14<syn-ack>petemc, exactly
15:14<daemonkeeper>syn-ack: You mean Class
15:14<Class>the system is debian 4.0
15:14<daemonkeeper>4.0?
15:14<Class>i dont know how upgrade will impact
15:14<sney>etch
15:14<Class>yep
15:14<Class>etch
15:15<Class>yes i do have a secondary namserver but the problem is that most of users does only have primary
15:15<Class>nameserver
15:15<daemonkeeper>Sounds like a bit of work for you. Maybe just install a new VM, deploy your dns server, and switch NS pointer on the registrar?
15:15<Class>In short primary nameserver must not be gone offline
15:15<syn-ack>thats what I would do too, daemonkeeper
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15:16<daemonkeeper>If you have no hardware left, ask a friend to host your zone temporarly. Alternatives includes DNS hosting facilities (they do exist)
15:16<Class>im planing to setup a vps
15:16<syn-ack>daemonkeeper, and yeah, I meant class. Sorry about that
15:16<Class>temporary
15:17<daemonkeeper>And next time, upgrade 2-3 years earlier ;)
15:17<syn-ack>hah
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15:18<syn-ack>man, I need a smoke
15:18<syn-ack>And the wife went to the store to get some. :(
15:18<george_>Well, if anyone can tell me, how do I find or edit my debian/rules (as mentioned by gcc) so that I can get things to build. Thanks in advance =)
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15:18<K0JIbKA>how to get what updates are due to be upgraded using shell?
15:18<arand>george_: In the source directory, there should be a debian directory...
15:19<kenyon>!tell K0JIbKA about upgrade
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15:19<george_>sudo apt-get update should work K0Jibka
15:19<K0JIbKA>george_: thanks
15:19<syn-ack>Man this repo is slow today
15:19<Class>daemonkeeper, i would if i were sysadmin before.
15:20<george_>thanks arand =)
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15:21<Class>so you guys advice me to create a vps server to be replaced temporary primary dns server ?
15:22<daemonkeeper>Well, you don't need to keep the old one
15:22<daemonkeeper>Install a new one, migrate NS1 RR and you're done
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15:24<anonymous>!tell anonymous about upgrade
15:24<Class>daemonkeeper, does it need to be changed glue record in tld ?
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15:24<daemonkeeper>If you have glue records, you do
15:25<K0JIbKA>And what if 'update manager' keeps posting 'safe-upgrade' feature in order to do not let new packages to be installed and old ones to be removed? How to get rid of that message?
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15:26<Class>as i know glue record is a record pointing a nameserver only does it contain something more ?
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15:29<TobiX>Hmpf. There seems to be a regression between xkb-data 1.8-2 and 2.1-2 - but I can't put my finger on it. I remap CapsLock to Mod4 with xmodmap, which stopped working after that upgrade...
15:30<ompaul_>Class: IP and NS names both needed for glue so when you query for sample.domain it says -> talk to ns1.sample.domain and that must be mapped to a IP or else it goes ehh talk to sample.domain in a loop
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15:30<ompaul_>Class: i.e. it needs to answer both ns and ip address for nameserver
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15:31<daemonkeeper>Hence you use a glue record to "glue" the IP address directly to a record, to avoid the loop problem ompaul_ mentioned. This is used when yourdomain.com has ns1.yourdomain.com as name server
15:31<daemonkeeper>Or something like that
15:31<Class>i imagine glue record like this: ns.example.com IN 12.12.12.12 ns2.example.com in 3.3.3.3
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15:33<daemonkeeper>Yes, that's to avoid loops
15:33<Class>ompaul_, yep, but when i setup a vps server to replace primary dns server i will give the same ip address what primary dns server has
15:33<Class>so i do not need to change gule in tld ?
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15:33<daemonkeeper>No, but you need to be really sure your setup works by the time you start your domain
15:34<ompaul_>Class: and the internet won't forget your old records until TTL expires
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15:35<ompaul_>Class: you sound good to test -- get a box that has never seen the new version of the world and to ask for a never before seen record which only exists in the new version -- not a bad test (and sometimes essential)
15:35<Class>how can i view my namservers glue record ttl ?
15:35<Class>dig glue ns.example.com ?
15:35<simonlnu>that's why you set your ttl low at first, then once established you can increase it. and vice versa, if you're moving ips, say, reduce the ttl a few days beforehand, and bring it back up when established.
15:35<Class>2011041000 1800 900 604800 86400
15:35<Class>i guess one hour is ttl
15:36<daemonkeeper>Thats the SOA
15:36<daemonkeeper>This is not relevant for the TTL
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15:36<daemonkeeper>simonlnu, ompaul_ TTL doesn't matter for Class though, since he wants to reuse the original IP he said.
15:37<daemonkeeper>So, for the outside world, the change is transparent.
15:37<daemonkeeper>If everything works of course.
15:37<simonlnu>that's was just fyi ;)
15:38<Class>yes i do not need the ttl to wait
15:38<Class>coz i have the same ip address
15:38<ompaul_>daemonkeeper: the "If everything works of course." was to test that the "new set up had gotten to work"
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15:38<ompaul_>sorry tired --- the ttl comment was to test that everything was working :)
15:38*ompaul_ now retires from giving advise today
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15:41<Class>So i guess i need identical dns server
15:41<daemonkeeper>No
15:41<daemonkeeper>But probably you better do
15:41<Class>how i do that easy ? with rsync ?
15:42<daemonkeeper>Install a new Debian Squeeze, install $yournsserverofchoice, migrate configuration, adapt IPs, stop the old one, start the new one. Maybe some testing in between
15:43<Class>yes testing is the must
15:44<daemonkeeper>Be careful not to use duplicate IPs, that is, to test you need another IP on your machine
15:44<Class>but how can i migrate configuration files ? manually by hand ? this would be senseless work
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15:45<Class>actually i have created vps already
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15:45<K0JIbKA>'libavcodec5 libavformat mencoder mplayer' to be updated by 'Update Manager'. will i keep my codecs intact if i do that in non 'safe-update' mode?
15:45<daemonkeeper>Come on, if you're using bind that are 2-3 files or so
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15:46<daemonkeeper>Or use scp
15:46<Class>daemonkeeper, what about zone files ? :-P
15:46<daemonkeeper>Including those, one for bind, one for option includes, one zone file
15:47<kenyon>I just migrated my master DNS server. just used scp to copy zone files. went through the named.conf* files by hand to make sure everything was right.
15:48<Class>daemonkeeper, each zone is separate txt file
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15:48<daemonkeeper>Right, if you have more. Do you?
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15:48<Class>yes i have :)
15:48<Class>probably i will do this with rsync
15:49<daemonkeeper>Or do yourself a favor and upgrade to a name server not being as modern as 1985 software
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15:51<IAMJONNY>hello
15:51<K0JIbKA>:)
15:52<Class>daemonkeeper, don't be cynical etch was released in 2007
15:52<IAMJONNY>i just installed debian 6 but my external hard drive isn't working correctly. when i double click on it via computer, nothing happens?
15:52<daemonkeeper>Class: But the bind architecture is that old ;)
15:53<K0JIbKA>IAMJONNY: may be <mount> will work?
15:53<K0JIbKA>try to find a way to mount that drive
15:53<IAMJONNY>Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
15:53<IAMJONNY>Error opening '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
15:53<IAMJONNY>Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Permission denied
15:53<IAMJONNY>Please check '/dev/sdb1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions,
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15:54<IAMJONNY>sorry for spamming
15:54<K0JIbKA>that's ntfs partition, right?
15:54<IAMJONNY>yes
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15:56<K0JIbKA>so dig into ntfs-3g direction at wiki.debian.org
15:56<jhutchins>!tell IAMJONNY about ntfs
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15:56<K0JIbKA>for me it's hard to say other way...
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15:58<IAMJONNY>i dont understand
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16:09<IAMJONNY>please can anyone help?
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16:13<chealer>IAMJONNY: just ask your question
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16:14<IAMJONNY>i did?
16:15<IAMJONNY>i dont understand what to do regarding the problem im experiencing mounting my external hard drive
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16:15<IAMJONNY>ive tried to mount it, but im getting a permission error, the drive is NTFS
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16:17<IAMJONNY>screw it am off back to windows
16:17<IAMJONNY>:')
16:17<IAMJONNY>*waves*
16:17<syn-ack>IAMJONNY, are you trying to mount the drive as root?
16:18<syn-ack>Generally only root can mount and umount disks
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16:53<aussa>how do I know if my video card drivers are up to date. or even exist?
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16:57<devil>aussa: apt-get update && apt-cache policy <your_driver>
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16:59<aussa>how do I check what version of the drivers i have?
16:59<devil>i just told ya
16:59<aussa>ok
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17:00<aussa>what am I suppose to write in <your_driver>?
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17:01<daemonkeeper>You asked about your driver being up to date, so you are required to fill in the driver package providing it
17:02<devil>aussa: as we are not highsighted, you would at least have to tell us, what gfx card you use
17:03<devil>based on that we could try guessing the driver
17:03<aussa>ahhahaa
17:03<aussa>ok, here is the thing...
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18:27<AdanOva>good day
18:27<Iridos>daemonkeeper, I don't see how emulation explains excessive thrashing
18:27<daemonkeeper>That only explains slow IOPS
18:27<AdanOva>I've got a problem, perhaps I can get help from you guys
18:28<AdanOva>Do any of you know how can login to a remote host which does not have an ssh client?
18:28<Iridos>it seems to tell me "something is going wrong"
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18:28<AdanOva>well, server, actually
18:28<webad_13>I am not sure that I fully understand IP aliasing. Is there anyone who could explain to me, if for example I decided to create all possible aliases on the internal network would this mean that I would take all of the IP addresses that router can assign
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18:28<AdanOva>well, neither
18:28<webad_13>meaning that only I will remain registered with the router
18:29<AdanOva>do any of you know?
18:30<daemonkeeper>AdanOva: You mean a SSH server, not client. There are some older protocols like rsh, rlogin, and so on you shouldn't really use.
18:30<webad_13>AdanOva, does it have vnc server?
18:30<AdanOva>I don't think so
18:31<AdanOva>it's an almost clear install of linux mint
18:31<webad_13>then it has vnc
18:31<webad_13>if it is linux mint
18:31<webad_13>it needs to be enabled
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18:31<AdanOva>but, what if I don't have physical access to the computer?
18:32<daemonkeeper>Whatever you want to use to access your server, you need to enable the listening (incoming) server.
18:32<webad_13>open remote desktop from menu, or type vino-preferences in the terminal
18:32<webad_13>then enable remote control
18:32<daemonkeeper>So no matter what you want, you need physical access first, to enable some remote access menu
18:32<daemonkeeper>remote access protocol
18:32<AdanOva>mmm, so I really need physical access
18:33<AdanOva>I thought there was a way
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18:33<AdanOva>ok, thanks, I am just learning lots of stuff
18:33<webad_13>but, the computer is on????
18:33<AdanOva>yes, it's on
18:33<AdanOva>I can see it through nmap
18:33<webad_13>but there is no one that can enable this right?
18:34<abrotman>we don't support Mint in this channel
18:34<abrotman>try #linux-mint on irc.spotchat.org
18:34<AdanOva>well, I am going to be sincere. I have access to the computer, but I wanted to know if there was a way
18:34<AdanOva>just to learn
18:34<AdanOva>I've used ssh for a while now
18:35<webad_13>:):):) - ok, yeah just as people said - if there is nothing on ur comp listening then no one can reach it
18:35<webad_13>if there is server listening than that's a different story
18:35<abrotman>how is this a Debian problem?
18:36<AdanOva>abrotman, I thought of asking to the mint community but, it's mint, almost like ubuntu
18:36<webad_13>abrotman, maybe he is using debian version of Linux Mint :):):)
18:36<abrotman>this still isn't the ubuntu support channel
18:36<AdanOva>I know I can get most answers here
18:36<abrotman>webad_13: it's STILL not supported here
18:36<AdanOva>ok, anyway, thanks
18:36<abrotman>AdanOva: please take your questions elsewhere, you're offtopic here
18:37<webad_13>abortman, I had a question regarding debian - maybe u could help
18:37<daemonkeeper>Mint is, as is Ubuntu and everything else based ond Debian off topic here (ask dpkg about "based on debian")
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18:37<webad_13>for example I decided to create all possible aliases on the internal network would this mean that I would take all of the IP addresses that router can assign
18:38<abrotman>and?
18:38<webad_13>like making eth0:x where x is any number
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18:38<webad_13>well would this mean that I would be the only one connected on the network
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18:38<webad_13>since router would not have anymore ips to assign??
18:39<abrotman>okay .. what's the point?
18:39<LuisV>hi there [_]P
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18:39<webad_13>well, if it means this than it would be an easy exploit to deny connection to other people in the network wouldn't it?
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18:40<webad_13>or I am missing something?
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18:40<AdanOva>I've got a question
18:40<abrotman>webad_13: most routers have the ability to only give IPs to certain MACs
18:40<civfan>absolutely fascinating AdanOva
18:40<AdanOva>what would be a Debian question?
18:41<streuner>AdanOva: usually you run a Debian machine and have a problem
18:41<webad_13>abrotman, so you say that even if I establish my alias - router would not approve it?
18:41<webad_13>unless I somehow tie this to a different mac (mac clone)
18:41<abrotman>webad_13: i am saying if you want to only give IPs to certain machines, use the router, not the OS
18:42<AdanOva>well, yes but, if there is a problem with alsa, it would not be a Debian problem, it would be an alsa problem
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18:42<Iridos>daemonkeeper, Some block drivers perform badly with cache=writethrough, most notably, qcow2. (writethrough is the default for anything but qcow, and the kvm commandline in "ps" says "format=raw"
18:42<abrotman>AdanOva: do you have the Debian OS installed anywhere?
18:42<abrotman>AdanOva: on any system that you're asking about?
18:43<AdanOva>yes, in the Linux room at University
18:43<abrotman>AdanOva: please go away
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18:43<AdanOva>hahahah, oh, sorry, did not want to troll or something
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18:43<streuner>hm
18:43<abrotman>you already did ...
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18:45<webad_13>abrotman, so without setting up one IP per MAC on the router - someone could exploit my network with IP aliasing. Is this correct? That is to say deny connection to the others within the network
18:45<Iridos>daemonkeeper, (quote from kvm manpage)
18:45<webad_13>would DHCP range play any role here?
18:45<abrotman>webad_13: uhm I thought you only wanted to allow a single machine to receive dhcp offers?
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18:47<abrotman>speaking of which .. dhcp DSA ...
18:47<webad_13>well, dhcp server manages certain range of IPs on my network - the rest is well static
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18:49<LuisV>the 'gfloppy" package is not available anymore?
18:50<webad_13>but if alias registers with router - static, then someone could not connect on this address
18:50<webad_13>probably I am missing something basic here
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19:10<streuner>gravity: LTNS :-P
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19:14<PovAddict>what the heck is going on here? I run "aptitude update", it downloads two 6MB Packages files, but then it thinks there are no packages at all :|
19:14<PovAddict>aptitude search '?true' | wc -l => 2178
19:14<PovAddict>looks like my apt only knows about installed and virtual packages atm
19:15<abrotman>streuner: he just cycled .. he's not really here!
19:17<streuner>sure :-(
19:17*PovAddict wipes 'dists' from the approx cache
19:17<PovAddict>nope, it still thinks the archive has no packages at all, wtf
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19:21<linodiaz>quien me puede ayudar, y explicarme que es esto...??
19:21<daemonkeeper>!es
19:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:21<PovAddict>ugh, I have .decomp.FAILED files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
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19:23<Iridos>daemonkeeper, hm... I may have found what caused this horrible performance... (I'll find out shortly) - seems something went wrong with creating an empty image, so the install kept enlarging it
19:23<daemonkeeper>Did you use sparse images?
19:24<Iridos>that can undoubtly cause heavy thrashing
19:24<Iridos>not intentionally
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19:24<Iridos>well, dunno... it crashed after I paused it, so I started over
19:24<Iridos>now took a minute to create the image
19:25<Iridos>I could bet I had specified making one earlieron, too, though
19:25<Iridos>well
19:25<Iridos>"ouch"
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19:33<amakusa>how can I uninstall a package installed via "dpkg --install"?
19:33<streuner>via aptitude/apt-get remove?
19:33<Iridos>just like any other?
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19:33<streuner>amakusa: dpkg -l | grep foo
19:34<streuner>amakusa: its installed, and its in the db of Debian system, so just find out whats the name of it...
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19:36<amakusa>streuner: I know the name of the package, the thing is that since I installed it using a .deb rather than the repos, I can't unninstall it with aptitude/apt-get
19:37<streuner>why not?
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19:37<amakusa>it can't find it
19:37<streuner>nah
19:37<streuner>thats impossible
19:38<Lantizia>if I need to trace what a php cli script does (which lines are run) from the command line... and I don't have X (so no xdebug) what can I use?
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19:39<Iridos>amakusa, dpkg -r <package>?
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19:40<Iridos>but I also say that apt-get cant "not see" an installed package
19:40<amakusa>Iridos: that worked, thanks
19:41<streuner>apt-get/aptitude manage to get packages, dpkg just manipulate them...
19:41<amakusa>Iridos: something must be going on, because it could'nt :-S
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19:42<Iridos>nuffin good, though
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19:42<streuner>amakusa: dselect would be another tric, but dpkg is just enough
19:43*streuner has no idea why aptitude/apt-get doesnt work here
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19:45<abrotman>what if he searches for the package with apttiude?
19:45<streuner>packages should be installable by default, otherwise they arent removeable at all?
19:45<streuner>but anyway, dpkg solve the problem usually
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19:49<streuner>abrotman: yeah, that makes sense
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19:56<aussa>hi, is it possible to convert an existing installation of Win7 to a virtual machine to use it from linux with virtualbox?
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20:04<aussa>hi, is it possible to convert an existing installation of Win7 to a virtual machine to use it from linux with virtualbox?
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20:20<Iridos>judd, versions libvirt0
20:20<judd>Package libvirt0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.6-10+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.8.3-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze0; squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze1; sid: 0.8.8-3; wheezy: 0.8.8-3; experimental: 0.9.0~rc2-2
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20:51<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, in ubuntu, there is something called "Additional Drivers" menu under "System>Administration>Additional Drivers"; is there something similar in debian?
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21:11<nevyn>abrotman: it's not an unreasonable question. the answer afaik is No there's no equivilent ui for installing binary/proprietary drivers in debian.
21:12<nevyn>you can install nvidia drivers etc in debian using the package manager by reading the manual. but it's not a clicky gui thing like the ubuntu stuff
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21:13<abrotman>nevyn: but it's also where firmware resides
21:13<sney>a "clicky gui thing" might make a nice addition to dkms. it'd certainly get more people to do things the debian way rather than setting themselves up for breakage with the nvidia installer
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21:14<sney>module-assistant already has a curses-ish debconf gui, a X11 one shouldn't be out of the question
21:14<sney>put it on the wishlist for Wheezy, maybe. :P
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21:15<nevyn>paranoidphreak: so the short answer is no.
21:16<sney>and the optimistic answer is not yet! :D
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21:17<nevyn>paranoidphreak: the result can be achieved but the interface is the package management system. and knowing about things like nvidia-installer which might be in the docs
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21:19<nevyn>oh the other thing is that the ubuntu gui thing says "you have hardware that could perform better with proprietary drivers. I dunno that's something that's in Debian's mandate to encourage.
21:20<sney>yeah, but prompt language is not a big deal
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21:30<nevyn>"you could reduce your freedom but have hardware work better by installing non-free drivers" ?
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21:30<nevyn>;)
21:30<sney>"if there is still no 3d support in nouveau, click here to taint your kernel"
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21:34<ticketman>hi all
21:34<sney>hi
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21:34<ticketman>where are you from??
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21:35<sney>ticketman: this is a help channel for people using Debian. if you need help with ubuntu, please open your network list again and select the "
21:35<sney>bah
21:36<zire>is anyone successfully using the 260.19 release of nvidia drivers with a system based on wheezy?
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21:40<zire>when i mark nvidia-glx for upgrade (to the 260), the xserver-xorg pkg breaks due to unsatisified dependency on xserver-xorg-video-6 | xserver-xorg-video-all
21:40<zire>seems that the 195.36 release of the nvidia-glx satisfied this dependency
21:41<zire>but the 260 version of the package does not provide that virtual pkg name
21:41<zire>which seems like a showstopper.
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21:42<zire>i cant imagine why they would have moved the set of 260 drivers from sid to wheezy if theyre essentially unusable
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21:47<roy>anyone have problems with HDMI audio under Squeeze?
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21:58<ml|>zire: I was using 260 here just fine, but I did not have xserver-xorg-video-all installed; using 270 from experimental now to see if that fixes a bug in that is in 260
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22:03<amakusa>zire: it's just still not ready
22:04<amakusa>zire: I had to install it the non-debian way since I'm using sid
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22:06<zire>amakusa: ty for the confirm. i guess ill just wait until its less broken
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22:23<foreste>hi
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22:24<foreste>howto build nvidia driver deb package ?
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22:27<amakusa>foreste: I don't know how to do that, but what do you want to do that for?
22:27<ml|>foreste: why would you need to build a .deb package?
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22:30<foreste>wants to build a deb package for the nvidia drivers 2.6.1938 kernel
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22:32<foreste>and wants to learn to build deb packages with nvidia drivers
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22:40<ml|>foreste: what debian version is this?
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22:43<foreste>wheezy
22:45<ml|>did you install a newer kernel?
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22:47<ml|>anyways /msg dpkg nvidia and follow the wiki
22:48<SoPneumatic>hello free people of debian help. i have a quick question - i recently purchased an asus engt240 video card using the nvidia gt240 chip, but when i use the Nvidia driver, it doesn't work. i've heard of problems with Asus, so should i give up the ghost, or how should i continue?
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22:51<ml|>SoPneumatic: nvidia driver from nvidia.com or the debian way™?
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22:51<SoPneumatic>by the debian way, do you mean nouveau?
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22:52<ml|>no following.. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
22:53<SoPneumatic>hmm. i'm so sorry! a little bit of better googling would have probably given me that eventually. i'm going to try it!
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22:54<SoPneumatic>thank you very much.
22:54<ml|>follow that and it should work just fine; good luck
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22:56<foreste>Debian developers are doing this because the deb package from the nvidia drivers and I want to know about this procedure and to learn;)
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23:05<coreid>any networking wizards here?, I am trying to understand a network issue
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23:06<coreid>I can not access a.fsdn.com via http from my isp's network in canada, I can ping the server, but sites like slashdot/sourceforge don't load completely.
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23:11<th>coreid, just wondering, does it happen when you access those sites with another OS like windows/ubuntu/whatever other than debian?
23:11<coreid>hmm.. never tried that, let me check
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23:20<rsvc>How to install Nvidia driver in debian squeeze?
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23:20<coreid>th: strange it works on iOS, not on debian (both iceweasel with no extensions and google-chrome)
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23:24<EmleyMoor>rsvc: which card do you have exactly?
23:25<coreid>rsvc: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers should help
23:25<rsvc>EmleyMoor: I'll check, one moment ...
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23:25<coreid>also using module-assistant its easy to recompile the drivers from source.
23:26<rsvc>EmleyMoor: Nvidia 8400 GS
23:27<th>coreid, not a net wiz here. i'll try anyway
23:27<rsvc>EmleyMoor: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
23:27<th>coreid, the network interface in your debian
23:28<th>is there any dropped/error packets?
23:28<th>run /sbin/ifconfig to get these information
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23:28<rsvc>coreid: thanks
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23:29<EmleyMoor>!tell rsvc about nvidia dkms
23:29<coreid> th: haha, thanks for pointing it out! I think this is a firewall miss-configuration issue.
23:30<EmleyMoor>rsvc: dpkg should just have sent you something to help
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23:30<rsvc>EmleyMoor: ok, thanks
23:30<rsvc>EmleyMoor: ok, thanks
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