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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-04-11

---Logopened Mon Apr 11 00:00:00 2011
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00:23*EmleyMoor has finally sorted allowing his partner's Windows 7 box to use his scanner
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00:57<SoPneumatic>hello, all. earlier i was here about installing a new video card driver, and tried "the debian way" -->http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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00:58<SoPneumatic>but when i run m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source, dpkg complains a good bit about my dependancies. i don't know how to make heads or tails of it.
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01:16<j0k3r>hz
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01:27<linkreport>hi
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01:28<Kees1988>hi
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01:28<linkreport>i new on backtrack
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01:28<linkreport>is there any tutorial on backtrack operating sysytem
01:28<arand>!backtrack
01:28<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
01:29<linkreport>ok
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01:56<geroin>HI
01:57<geroin>LANGUAGE Russian
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01:59<arand>!ru | geroin
01:59<arand>!ru
01:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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02:17<vorteks>Whats that site that helps u put debian on laptops perticaly dell xps
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02:20<vorteks>or whats that site that puts the debian installer on windows and has the click here to install on it?
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02:29<vaio>how to cracking wep un ubuntu ?
02:29<Gerowen>If this is anything like other IRCs I've been to, nobody here is going to tell you how to do anything like that vaio.
02:29<EmleyMoor>This is not #ubuntu, and I doubt anyone will help you crack WEP anyway
02:29*dpkg beats vaio senseless with a 50lb Unix manual, courtesy of retrospectacus
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02:30<Torsten_W>vaio, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+cracking+wep
02:31<Gerowen>Question, just migrated my personal server to Debian 6, and apparently sendmail or something is already set up cause' I can read mail via ssh, however I have limited experience with this internal e-mail thing, how would I go about configuring it to forward internal e-mails to an external account so I get the notifications on my laptop with Evolution instead of having to log in via SSH to read them?
02:31*fer0x
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03:05<nevyn>Gerowen: I think no-mail is the default.
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03:07<Gerowen>Cool
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03:48<webad_13>could anyone help me on this one. When I issue a reboot command my system does restart but it is sort of a hard restart since memory is checked again as if it was shutdown and then turned on. Even the led changes color as if it was shut down. For example on windows this does not happen. I suppose it is something to do with the way acpi is handled
03:48<webad_13>but I wanted to ask if anyone knows an easy fix
03:49<webad_13>computer is a laptop
03:50<jm_>webad_13: try using different reboot methods
03:50<th_>interesting case
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03:51<webad_13>jm_, like shutdown -r?
03:51<jm_>webad_13: no, reboot= kernel parameter
03:52<jm_>reboot=b[ios] | s[mp] | t[riple] | k[bd] | e[fi] [, [w]arm | [c]old] | p[ci]
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03:52<jm_>(it will only be effective since your next boot)
03:53<webad_13>:), I am lost now - I never played around with kernel really
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03:53<webad_13>to start, where do you edit this parameter - where is the config file
03:53<EmleyMoor>You'd generally do it in the grub config
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03:57<webad_13>how can I check what is my reboot set to at the moment??
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03:57<webad_13>cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg |grep reboot return nothing
03:57<jm_>webad_13: the simplest way is to edit /etc/default/grub, set it via GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and run update-grub
03:59<webad_13>I have GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_enforce_resources=strict", do you think this might be causing the issue?
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04:01<jm_>not sure, but I doubt it
04:02<webad_13>btw, jm_ is the default value b for the reboot?
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04:02<brownpanda>hy
04:02<jm_>webad_13: up to current kernels it's kbd I believe, but they plan to change it for 2.6.39 IIRC
04:03<brownpanda>anyone know how in backtrack usage
04:03<webad_13>ok, I'll try with b then - thanx for the help
04:03<jm_>or perhaps it's kbd followed by acpi and now they plan to reverse the order or somesuch
04:03<jm_>!tell brownpanda -about bt4
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04:04<brownpanda>well i mean i know what it is im just having some compatability issues i think
04:04<jm_>the point of the message was not about what it is, but where support for it can be found
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04:05<brownpanda>im sorry i had brain laps man, ive been there but my qs to specific to just find it
04:06<brownpanda>correction no one willanswere it
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04:10<brownpanda>hows everyone hangn
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04:17<Gerowen>I'm doing good, just migrated both my laptop and personal server from Ubuntu to Debian last night, so I'm setting things up.
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04:19<brownpanda>my freind likes debian alot, im thinkin bout switchn from ubuntu
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04:28<Gerowen>Are there any plans to update Iceweasel, or was it just a one time project?
04:31<jm_>Gerowen: update where/to?
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04:32<th_>as far as i know, debian mozilla team continously update iceweasel package to the latest firefox (4.0) and they still support old versions too
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04:32<Gerowen>I was just curious, it says, "Like FF 3.5.16", and Firefox is up to version 4, I didn't know if Iceweasel had its own separate development plan, or if it was just a one time creation by the Debian guys.
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04:33<fer0x>Gerowen: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html
04:34<fer0x>work in progress
04:34<armani>hey everyone, i would like some advice, i'm thinking of buying a laptop, something portable, lightweight, with a good battery life,...my budget is around USD$500...any suggestions? thanks in advance...
04:34<Gerowen>fer0x: Thanks!
04:34<th_>this page: http://mozilla.debian.net/ might help you if you need iceweasel 4.0
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04:35<Gerowen>th_: Wow, you can't get any more newbie proof than this page can you? Lol.
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04:44<zem>hi, is there a way to tell system load avg of a machine from startup? like uptime, but for a longer preriod of time.
04:44<mehdi_>how can i make network lan btwn a pc and laptop?
04:45<Gerowen>mehdi_: What is your goal? File sharing? Printer sharing? Or just being able to ping?
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04:46<mehdi_>file sharing and im able to ping but i donno how to c folders
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04:47<SynrG>zem: munin
04:48<SynrG>or nagios ...
04:49<Gerowen>mehdi_: Are you using Gnome or KDE?
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04:50<mehdi_>absolutely Gnome
04:50<civfan>absolutely no X.org
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04:51<Gerowen>mehdi_: Let's test if it's already working, and if it's not we'll go from there. Open any file folder, then press CTRL+L to enter text into the address bar.
04:51<mehdi_>there is x.org
04:51<Gerowen>mehdi_: Enter this: smb://X.X.X.X where the Xs are the IP to the remote machine hosting the folders you want to get to.
04:52<mehdi_>@<Gerown>brb
04:52<Gerowen>mehdi_: K
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05:14<Iridos>daemonkeeper, ah, you're back... I figured the write-issue out yesterday - it is really the caching... it's "writethrough" by default and from the performance hit, this must really cause very small bits of data to be written out on two different places (of the same disk?)... specifying "writeback" gave me about 20fold faster writing (2M/s instead of 100K/s), iirc
05:14<daemonkeeper>Sounds good
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05:17<Iridos>I just wonder what other file such cached stuff would be written to... cache usually isn't written and I thought I had tried with the images on a different disk and it was similarily horrible
05:17<guillaume>Hi all ! I have any troubles with custom kernel and the module drbd8 setup, module-assistant failed to build module
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05:18<Iridos>what's also bugging me, I used virt-mamager to start this and I haven't figured out how to run kvm on this image with network etc. without virt-manager (using the same command as virt-manager gives me errors and doesn't boot)
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05:19<daemonkeeper>guillaume: Squeeze already includes drbd
05:19<guillaume>yep, but it does'nt work
05:19<guillaume>I cannot load drbd module
05:19<guillaume> sudo modprobe drbd
05:19<guillaume>FATAL: Module drbd not found.
05:20<Iridos>daemonkeeper, but from the way the disk went on thrashing... I feel that is only explained if you have a lot of writes in between the writes done by the guest system. cannot imagine how else you would get this result
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05:20<daemonkeeper>guillaume: Which kernel are you runnung?
05:20<daemonkeeper>*running
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05:21<guillaume>2.6.32.36, I compiled it with grsec
05:21<daemonkeeper>You're on your own then
05:21<Iridos>I can load drbd...
05:21<daemonkeeper>you might use a stock kernel, guillaume not ;)
05:21<Iridos>guillaume, it works with the default debian kernel
05:21<guillaume>Iridos: I know , but I need gresc
05:21<guillaume>grsec
05:21<daemonkeeper>DRBD is in mainline since 2.6.somewhat
05:22<daemonkeeper>You hav just to enable it
05:22<daemonkeeper>*have
05:22<guillaume>so i need to recompiled the kernel ?
05:22<daemonkeeper>Iridos: Well, a lot is relative. There might be some side effects, maybe a journal file or so
05:22<daemonkeeper>guillaume: Strictly speaking the module only, but the easiest thing might be to recompile with DRBD enabled
05:23<daemonkeeper>Ahh
05:23<daemonkeeper>No, its in 2.6.33
05:23<daemonkeeper>So yours still needs the patch
05:23<Iridos>guillaume, the only thing I can suggest is, that you start out from the debian kernel-config that is in /boot/config-2.6.32-5* and just change what you definitely need to change - that should give you all the modules present in a debian stock kernel
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05:24<Iridos>daemonkeeper, it's in the debian kernel, though in 2.6.32...
05:24<guillaume>Iridos: May I get grsec with the 2.6.32-5* kernel ?
05:24<daemonkeeper>Iridos: I know
05:24<daemonkeeper>Iridos: But that won't help guillaume :)
05:24<Iridos>guillaume, that or figure out why exactly the build ails...
05:25<daemonkeeper>You could install linux-patch-grsecurity2 ...
05:25<guillaume>The logs tell my : find: "/usr/src/modules/drbd8*" : No such file or directory
05:25<daemonkeeper>Instead of doing your own.
05:25<Iridos>oh... that's not in the mainline kernel in *32 - I misunderstood that
05:25<guillaume>No needed to recompile the kernel ?
05:26<daemonkeeper>You do
05:26<daemonkeeper>Iridos: Yep, from 2.6.33 and up
05:26<Iridos>hm
05:26<guillaume>Any documentation to use linux-patch-grsecurity2 ?
05:26<Iridos>but then it isn't enabled in the debian kernels?
05:26<guillaume>And how recompile the debian kernel ?
05:26<daemonkeeper>Iridos: It is, as out of tree patch
05:26<Iridos>or better "it can't be enabled"?
05:27<Iridos>judd, kernels
05:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
05:27<Iridos>I mean there's 2.6.38-2 in sid...
05:27<daemonkeeper>Iridos: Therefore drbd8-module or whatever this was called in lenny, disappeared for Squeeze
05:27<guillaume>sid and wheezy, same kernel.. update available today :)
05:29<daemonkeeper>I would suggest you to use the Debian stock kernel together with linux-patch-grsecurity2 which might be a m-a package, but no clue
05:31<Iridos>daemonkeeper, hm, uncached journal might do that (specially as the image is on a journaled FS) - but I was doing the install onto a FAT filesystem image and that doesn't have a journal ... must be something from the VM
05:31<daemonkeeper>Iridos: Your VM image file might write a journal
05:32<daemonkeeper>For its nifty features or so
05:32<Iridos>I wondered about that, too... but also couldn't come up with a good reason why it'd do that :)
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05:33<Iridos>guillaume, did you install linux-patch-grsecurity2 and read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian ?
05:33<guillaume>install yes, but read not yet :)
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05:34<daemonkeeper>Iridos: If you're curious trace write syscalls
05:34<Iridos>it's not very long :)
05:34<guillaume>Indeed :D
05:35<Iridos>daemonkeeper, hmm... not sure that shows what happens... of if it does if you're able to figure it out from the ca. 1 million of output that would produce
05:35<Iridos>s/of/or/
05:35<daemonkeeper>Iridos: Well, obviously all you want is to trace write/seek/open
05:36<guillaume>the make-kpkg has to be done on the /usr/src/linux
05:36<guillaume>directory ?
05:36<Iridos>I refused to build any kernels myself for the last years :)
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05:36<Iridos>!make-kpkg
05:36<dpkg>well, make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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05:40<guillaume>Iridos: I need to get the source of the debian kernel ?
05:41<guillaume>If I want to apply linux-patch-grsecurity2 ?
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05:43<mehdi_>isnt vlc supposed to run ".ts" format?
05:44<Iridos>guillaume, obviously... you could do that by getting the source to the actual images installed, but that is annoying, because it builds binary packages for all architectures. so there's packages like linux-source-2.6.32
05:46<guillaume>Iridos: I don't understand, why using this source more than those available on kernel.org, help me to get the drbd module
05:46<daemonkeeper>Because it is prepared for Debian, you could use a vanilla kernel as well if you prefer
05:47<daemonkeeper>Just make sure it is < 2.6.33 and grsecurity applies
05:47<Iridos>guillaume, it helps you to get a kernel package, not just an installed kernel and it will give you a kernel that is very close to debian kernels in regard of patches and chosen options
05:47<guillaume>Iridos: Okay :) I'll try this method
05:48<guillaume>thx's
05:48<Iridos>I can't say if it really gives you the module - the stock debian kernels do... so it should
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05:50<daemonkeeper>Yes, linux-source-2.6.32 contains the DRBD patch
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05:51<daemonkeeper>See http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-31/changelog 2.6.32-12
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05:55<guillaume>I don't understand why, with iscsitarget module, it worked..
05:55<guillaume>I mean, I install the module with module-assitant et no problem
05:55<daemonkeeper>Because there is no module package anymore?
05:55<guillaume>Yes it is
05:56<daemonkeeper>Whatever you install it is not suited for the Squeeze kernel
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05:56<daemonkeeper>judd: versions drbd8-source
05:56<judd>Package drbd8-source on i386 -- lenny: 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2:8.3.7-1~bpo50+1
05:56<daemonkeeper>You see
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06:00<titis>yop
06:00<Iridos>daemonkeeper, well, from the manpage (and the description of writethrough) I would more guess that "using the host page cache" somehow goes wrong and stuff goes to swap immediately - well, anyway, the install still failed a bit lateron .(
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06:03<guillaume>Iridos: No need to use make menuconfig to enable grsecurity ?
06:03<guillaume>juste set the env var PATCH_THE_KERNEL with YES value ?
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06:14<guillaume>daemonkeeper: You know If I have to use make menuconfig to enable grsecurity ?
06:14<daemonkeeper>Don't think so, on the other hand it won't hurt to check
06:14<guillaume>Because when I launch the menuconfig, I don't see any grsecurity option
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06:16<civfan>it isn't in base
06:16<civfan>you wont see it, grsec directly patches
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06:16<guillaume>so I can launch my compilation, and get my .deb for my kernel with the an actif grsec ?
06:17<civfan>no idea
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06:19<guillaume>Furthermore, 2.4.2x versions of this patch will not apply to Debian kernels 2.4.20 and above. You will have to use vanilla kernel sources to apply this patch
06:19<guillaume>okay, so... No.
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06:25<ruben>ola
06:25<Iridos>what? where's that from?
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06:25<ruben>spain
06:25<Iridos>not you, the stuff guillaume quoted
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06:27<Iridos>guillaume, README.Debian clearly says the patch should work for debian kernels. if it doesn't you should package the .rej files and file a bug report
06:29<Iridos>s/for debian kernels/on debian kernel source/
06:32<civfan>waste of typing
06:32<civfan>*on debian kernel source
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06:36<guess75>salve a tutti
06:38<civfan>i was looking at tomoyo/lsm/selinux
06:39<civfan>a lot of these access controls don't seem exclusive to mac at all
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06:39<guess75>!list
06:39<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
06:40<guess75>ehhhhhh???
06:40<civfan>don't do that
06:41<civfan>I'm not even sure what !list does and i've used irc for about 8 years
06:41<civfan>some dcc trading thing?
06:41<guess75>ho ma ke cavolo succede???? io sto solo provando i comandi x l'irc
06:41<guess75>sn un new bie
06:41<Iridos>dpkg, factinfo list
06:41<dpkg>list -- created by za <~za@62.252.236.75> at Wed Aug 14 22:34:06 2002 (3161 days); last modified at Wed Nov 24 23:23:48 2010 by themill!~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net; it has been requested 1377 times, last by guess75, 2m 14s ago.
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06:42<jm_>!it
06:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:42<guess75>ah ok grazie ;))))))
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06:43<daemonkeeper>civfan: Yes
06:43<Iridos>I dunno... it seems weird. Do people really not notice everyone else's speaking a different language?
06:43<daemonkeeper>They just don't care I think
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06:43<daemonkeeper>Assuming "My view to the world, is yours"
06:43<jm_>or perhaps they don't speak it and just try their native one
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06:44<civfan>The Anglosphere will dominate the earth.
06:44<daemonkeeper>This is what people think at least.
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06:44<Iridos>"will"?
06:45<daemonkeeper>They do until Chinese arise ;)
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06:48<civfan>Iridos: "Do people really not notice everyone else's speaking a different language?" Are you talking about guess75?
06:48<civfan>also daemonkeeper, !list is some way for indexing xdcc bots?
06:48<civfan>Because I just see latin characters and assume i should be able to understand it
06:49<daemonkeeper>civfan: Yes, it is commonly used to get a file list of xdcc bots in "special interest" channels.
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06:49<daemonkeeper>Interestingly only Italians randomly join every other week typing "!list" in #debian, so dpkg learned Italian some day ...
06:50<civfan>Hah, do you have any clue why that is?
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06:50<daemonkeeper>No, and I /AM/ Italian.
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06:50<civfan>Italian sounds much nicer than Spanish.
06:51<Largetoke>How are all you kind folks doing today!
06:51<daemonkeeper>Well, as of my point of view it definitively is ;)
06:51<civfan>I want to create an auxiliary language just for singing.
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06:52<civfan>I still wonder why some think #debian on OFTC could possibly be a file trading channel.
06:52<Largetoke>A (buddy) of mine Erased Win7 and installed Dedbian in its place now I've got plenty of experience on Windows Machines but new to Linux
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06:52<civfan>Largetoke: Is this buddy you?
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06:53<Largetoke>And I'm having trouble getting 3rd party software to install, any simple tips, I know about using package managers but its not happening still. I can't get Flash Player to install or even work on chromium and chromium ships with flash
06:54<daemonkeeper>By the way guess75 stated "I am just learning IRC commands" after his !list ... ;)
06:54<jm_>Largetoke: http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
06:54<Largetoke>ok cool I'll look at that for a few, I appreciated it
06:55<jm_>chromium is packaged as chromium-browser
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06:56<SynrG>jm_: the page you cited looks rather dated. perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer would be more useful to Largetoke?
06:56<jm_>SynrG: it has a link to that
06:56<SynrG>i mean, it has columns for "etch", "lenny" and "testing"
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06:57<Largetoke>yea it is a bit older I"ll look at the newer one , many thanks
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06:58<SynrG>jm_: the link is in the "etch" column. and under the "testing" column it links to backports ...
06:58<jm_>SynrG: no, it's on the left, below SwfDec
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06:59<alexito>ola
06:59<alexito>Myon
06:59<SynrG>jm_: i see. but if you were just going by the columns, you would get the impression of zero support for Squeeze :p
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06:59<SynrG>jm_: and if you *do* search backports, you don't find flashplayer-nonfree
06:59<SynrG>er, flashplugin-nonfree? sec. ...
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06:59<jm_>SynrG: yes, I see what you mean
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07:00<alexito>i am spanish
07:01<alexito>??
07:01<Largetoke>now I'm new to Linux and the download just finished and two file icons are showing libflashplayer.so and usr,where or what do i do from here?
07:01<@Myon>!es
07:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:01<jm_>I guess it's best to just ask dpkg to tell what it knows under <flash>
07:01<jm_>Largetoke: what did you download?
07:01<Largetoke>flash for linux
07:01<jm_>where from?
07:02<ompaul>!tell alexito about es
07:02<ompaul>alexito: please look at the message from dpkg
07:02<Largetoke>iadobe labs
07:02<SynrG>Largetoke: you really must learn to be more precise when asking for help here ...
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07:02<Largetoke>no i
07:02<jm_>why don't do what the wiki page says?
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07:02<Largetoke>sorry i don't know the file extensions or anything yet
07:02<Largetoke>I will review it
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07:03<alexito>I am Spanish and you?
07:04<Largetoke>I'm reading the wiki now, I thought you guy would just have a simple answer
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07:04<jm_>using the flashplugin-nonfree package is the simplest method for you
07:04<jm_>if you have .so file you can put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
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07:06<SynrG>Largetoke: if by "simple answer" you mean, "type this command and you're done", no, there are a few steps. hence the pointer to the wiki page. but once you have done it once, receiving updates thereafter will be much simpler.
07:06<Largetoke>yes thats what I am hoping for, this is a very nice os overall
07:07<SynrG>as i indicated earlier, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer is what you want
07:07<Largetoke>but i don't mind reading thank for the lead
07:07<SynrG>that will tell you how to get flashplugin-nonfree
07:07<Largetoke>yea non-free is what it says i need
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07:08<SynrG>just get the deb from unstable, as indicated. you can install that with 'dpkg -i'
07:09<SynrG>make sure you have the one that matches your architecture (i386 if 32 bit PC, amd64 if 64 bit PC)
07:09<daemonkeeper>Actually it is much more complicated than that, but for the sake of simplicity let's say it that way
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07:10<Largetoke>ok amd64 got you ,I have made sure of that but thanks for reminders
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07:21<Iridos>SynrG!
07:21<SynrG>Iridos! :)
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07:29<bighornram>I've setup openvpn connection from my squeeze machine to a vpn provider. This is working fine. When the vpn is connected though I'm no longer able to connect to my local machines. How do I tell my squeeze machine to NOT use the vpn connection for local connections?
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07:29<daemonkeeper>Your VPN pushes a default gateway, configure it not to do that or remove it manually.
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07:31<jm_>it's rather odd that default gateway woul be used for local connections - perhaps they are not local after all
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07:34<daemonkeeper>Well, alternatives include a colliding private network
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07:39<civfan>love is like a hot prison wall
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07:39<civfan>daemonkeeper: why would i use nfs over afs
07:40<daemonkeeper>Tell me?
07:41<civfan>I don't know!
07:41<civfan>I usually follow other people's lead. I use other people's software, their packages, their configurations, and their instructions and manuals.
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07:41<civfan>I am a drone.
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07:46<bighornram>i have my laptop running vpn client which is connected via wlan0 to a dd-wrt router. other machines are also connected to the router. I can connect to the local machines until I connect the vpn (on the laptop). I think the vpn changes the gateway so now the local machines are no longer available to me. Do I need to setup different routing or specify an internal interface for the local ip's.
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07:48<SynrG>bighornram: if your default route has changed to go through the vpn, you still ought to be able to contact the local machines provided there is a route for the local net
07:48<SynrG>look at the output of 'route' for clues
07:49<SynrG>(on the laptop)
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07:52<Iridos>civfan, ever met any lemmings?
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08:00<classical>hey guys :))
08:01<Gerowin>Hey
08:02<classical>do someone have some technique while working simultaneously with many servers with ssh ?
08:02<guillaume>Iridos: I get the quote from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-patch-grsecurity2
08:03<Iridos>guillaume, and when did you last time run a 2.4.x kernel?
08:03<classical>i mean when you have many terminal tabs opend with different servers on it
08:03<daemonkeeper>Maybe file a wishlist bug against the package to update the description since there is no 2.4 in Debian anyway
08:04<classical>i loss sometimes and do not know which i need
08:04<daemonkeeper>classical: To achieve what? mass processing -> dsh; for general purpose multi command execution use KDE's konsole "copy input to"
08:05<guillaume>Iridos: When I was sixteen :) But I try to compile my kernel with the source from repository and the linux-patch-grsec, but.. I can't see any application of the grsec patch
08:06<classical>for instance when i set title to terminal tab web1.example.com i know that there is opened web1 via ssh
08:06<classical>but when i will connect it via ssh i had to set thus title again
08:06<bighornram>SynrG: After connecting the vpn on the laptop and checking route, I can connect to the router. I now see that the connections I'm trying to make are on a different Ip range than the 'local' network for this laptop. The router i'm connected to is ip X.X.5.1 , it is connected to another router with x.x.1.1 and the machines on this x.x.1.x range are the ones now not accessible to me.
08:07<classical>can this somehow be done automatically ?
08:07<daemonkeeper>classical: Well, I had implemented such a thing for KDE 3.5, but got no time/was not annoyed enough to finalize a port for KDE 4/konsole 4
08:08<daemonkeeper>For gnome, maybe use http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/
08:08<Iridos>guillaume, so that comment isn't for you, supposing you're now some years older than 16 :)
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08:09<daemonkeeper>I think I had a 2.4 until a year ago or so ;)
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08:09<guillaume>Iridos: Okay I think I don't know apply the patch kernel
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08:10<guillaume>Iridos: I get the source with aptitude (linux-source-2.6.32), and get the patch (linux-patch-grsecurity2)
08:10<civfan>ran 2.4.x at 16
08:11<civfan>i had two chicks at the same time at that age
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08:11<guillaume>Untar /usr/scr/linux-source-2.6.32
08:11<guillaume>run : export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES
08:11<daemonkeeper>civfan: Neither your notebook, nor your desktop counts as chick, just because of your wallpaper
08:12<guillaume>go on /usr/src/linux-source.2.6.32
08:12<bighornram>civfan: :)
08:12<civfan>but it /does/ count as chic
08:12<guillaume>and make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
08:12<guillaume>Did I miss something ?
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08:15<Iridos>daemonkeeper, well analyzed :)
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08:19<classical>daemonkeeper, what about using screen ?
08:19<daemonkeeper>classical: Works as well, if you want windows management within your terminal
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08:25<civfan>why is email so complex
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08:26<daemonkeeper>You call e-mail complex? I mean RFC 822, one of the simplest protocols ever?
08:27<Iridos>daemonkeeper, perhaps he meant sendmail :)
08:28<civfan>modern email
08:28<civfan>the ecosystem
08:28<daemonkeeper>Every good Linux system administrator needs to configure Sendmail once, an excellent one won't do it twice.
08:29<civfan>stupid hacker adage
08:29<daemonkeeper>No, there are much better approaches.
08:29<civfan>why use something so terrible
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08:29<daemonkeeper>To learn how Postfix|Exim|$yourchoice eases your life
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08:30<civfan>yeah, and actually this is the simplest protocol evar: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc863
08:31<daemonkeeper>You should implement RFC 5841
08:31<civfan>daemonkeeper: Having someone else handle your email also eases your life. But I'm looking into OpenSTMPD
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08:41<allegis>join #apache
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08:44<civfan>allegis: No.
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08:44<civfan>Everyone uses GNU/Linux on an x86 with Apache, Sendmail, and BIND.
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08:46<daemonkeeper>Debian GNU/Linux off course.
08:46<daemonkeeper>*of
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08:50<Gerowen>Question, I'm logged into my server with SSH, reading an internally sent email with the "mail" program. I delete the email, then exit. When I log back in later with SSH, the email, detailing the same event (I flubbed my root password) is back in my inbox, suggestions?
08:50<Gerowen>For the record I didn't do any configuring on the email setup, I just installed Debian on the machine last night, so other than Apache and some SSH options, everything else is still at default settings.
08:51<EmleyMoor>Gerowen: There are two ways to exit "mail" - one leaves the mailbox untouched, the other updates it
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08:51<Gerowen>Ah
08:51<EmleyMoor>You need to "q"uit, not e"x"it
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08:53<Gerowen>EmleyMoor: That did it, thanks!
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08:54<bluenemo_>i'm scripting something that does an apt-get upgrade, how can i make it not ask for a y or n so it runs automaticly?
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08:55<Gerowen>bluenemo_: Add -y to the argument, for example: apt-get -y upgrade
08:55<bluenemo_>thank you Gerowen
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08:56<daemonkeeper>Be careful ...
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08:57<EmleyMoor>Not the kind of option to use willy-nilly
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09:02<bluenemo_>yes you are right, i'll use it with caution. however, i cant get around it this time
09:02<bluenemo_>on the other hand, upgrading didnt crash my system more than once actually :) and in that time i was waaay to tired to work anyway - was my own fault..
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09:05<rpetre>is there some sort of unofficial wheezi status page? as in "how broken it's expected to be this week/month"? i usually stay on stable a while after release, but i'm itching to upgrade :)
09:05<rpetre>s/wheezi/wheezy/, of course
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09:13<Gerowen>Anybody know why, after installing the fglrx driver so I could play games, my CPU fan would stop speeding up? Did the same thing in Ubuntu, not a deal breaker it still does a mostly fine job, but it only runs very slowly.
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09:25<schuschu>Hallo
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09:32<broucaries1>https://mentors.debian.net/ give me an error
09:32<broucaries1>where should I report ?
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09:33<daemonkeeper>broucaries1: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome Seems fine, might only be missing the index file.
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09:34<broucaries1>yes I thinks so
09:34<broucaries1>missing index in https
09:34<daemonkeeper>Contact the persons listed there
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09:35<broucaries1>No need to fill a bug ?
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09:35<Jack_Os>Hello
09:35<Jack_Os>I'm using debian for the first time
09:36<civfan>if alpine redirected the software to be community directed and developed, why do we have forks like re-alpine now
09:36<Jack_Os>and when I try to install SVN
09:36<Jack_Os>I get this errors :P
09:36<Jack_Os>http://pastebin.com/7wZ7J0jm
09:36<daemonkeeper>File a bug against what? m.d.n is no "official" Debian service (hence the .net)
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09:36<Jack_Os>Anyone? :)
09:36<korencia>Jack_Os => Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
09:37<korencia>So write $ apt-get -f install on your commandline and you \ll see
09:37<Jack_Os>um kay
09:37<civfan>daemonkeeper: debian.net redirects to debian.org
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09:37<Jack_Os>ahh thank you
09:37<Jack_Os>:)
09:37<civfan>ohhh
09:37<civfan>mmm
09:37<civfan>subdomains stay there
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09:38<korencia>Jack_Os if any further problems (may occur), then write again
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09:38<Jack_Os>Ofcourse. Thanks :)
09:39<korencia>Jack_Os U R welcome
09:42<guillaume>I've compiled the 2.6.38 version of the linux kernel, installed it with its header, and same problem with drbd ....
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09:43<daemonkeeper>Do you have a drbd.ko?
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09:44<guillaume>Yes but not in the right directory obviously : /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/block/drbd/drbd.ko
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09:45<daemonkeeper>Looks right
09:45<daemonkeeper>Do depmod -a
09:45<daemonkeeper>Try again
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09:46<guillaume>depmod -a is okay
09:46<guillaume>and I try a drbdadm, and it fails because drbd is not loaded
09:47<guillaume>so I try modprobe drbd
09:47<guillaume>and Fail Module drbd not found.
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09:48<guillaume>daemonkeeper: My kernel is now 2.6.38.2-banakae-grsec, so I expected the drbd.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.38.2-banakae-grsec/ ?
09:49<daemonkeeper>Yep, right. So you didn't enable it?
09:49<guillaume>oh s***t >_<
09:49<guillaume>Is not native with the kernel newer than the 2.6.33 ?
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09:50<daemonkeeper>It is, you still have to enable it
09:51<daemonkeeper>In your .config that is, using menuconfig or so
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09:52<guillaume>yes I see. Indeed, it was not enable..
09:52<guillaume>but anything can be done to enable module when the kernel is compiled ?
09:52<guillaume>(I'm a big noob with the kernel modules, I always used module-assistant and never I had to compiled myself a kernel)
09:53<daemonkeeper>You can enable the module and recompile, unless you do a make clean, this will be quite fast.
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09:57<guillaume>daemonkeeper: Thx's for your time :)
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09:59<LMU>QUIEN ERES TU
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10:02<LMU>QUIEN ERES TU
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10:02<LMU>ALEX
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10:04<LMU>QUIEN ERES TU
10:04<daemonkeeper>!ops would you please remove LMU
10:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: daemonkeeper complains about: would you please remove LMU
10:05<RichiH>LMU: hi
10:05<RichiH>can we help you?
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10:05*RichiH bows
10:05<daemonkeeper>;)
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10:10<guillaume>daemonkeeper: I have a question with all my last adventure :)
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10:10<guillaume>daemonkeeper: When I installed the iscsitarget module with module-assistant it's work correctly, why not with drbd ?
10:10<guillaume>(with custom kernel of course)
10:10<daemonkeeper>Because there is no m-a package for drbd anymore?
10:11<guillaume>daemonkeeper: Correct answer !
10:11<daemonkeeper>Since drbd is in every kernel for Debian and upstream anyway
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10:11<guillaume>So, how drbd is available under the version 2.6.32, with the kernel debian package ?
10:12<guillaume>s how/why/g
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10:12<daemonkeeper>Because Debian cherry-picks DRBD support back to 2.6.32
10:12<daemonkeeper>As I mentioned somewhat of 3 hours ago ;)
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10:13<pecenipicek>good day folks. would you mind if i bother you all here with some general linux admining questions?
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10:15<guillaume>daemonkeeper: Okay sorry, my english is very bad, may be I do not understand at the moment
10:15<daemonkeeper>Debian kernel maintainer took the DRBD module from 2.6.33 and backported it to 2.6.32
10:16<guillaume>no I understand that :D
10:16<guillaume>But 3 hours ago...
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10:16<Iridos>guillaume, that was actually why we told you to start out from the .config supplied by debian with their kernels and modify that
10:17<daemonkeeper>... and the Debian kernel source
10:17<Iridos>RichiH, neat :)
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10:18<kop>pecenipicek: We're here to provide debian support. If you're asking about debian ask away. Otherwise the advice we give may not apply to other distros and you're better off asking elsewhere.
10:19<Iridos>daemonkeeper, right, that, too, but I was still a bit further back in my backlog, where you guys just figured out that he just hadn't enabled it...
10:19<guillaume>Iridos: daemonkeeper : I'm not a brilliant guy, so thx you for your patience and explanations !
10:19<pecenipicek>kop: well, i am runnning on debian, but some of the basics of user manager elude me at the moment. i'll ask away once i properly formulate my questions in my head :)
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10:20<pecenipicek>derp. i meant to say "user management" instead of "user manager".
10:20<pecenipicek>anyhow, i'll be asking once i have the proper questions ready :)
10:20<Iridos>pecenipicek, appreciated... that's much better than "stuff don't work! halp!"
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10:21<pecenipicek>Iridos: Well, its in my interest to get a very good answer after all :)
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10:21<pecenipicek>so yeah, gimmie a few minutes, and i'll fire away some.
10:21<Iridos>well, we can't guarantee that independent on how good the question is :)
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10:29<pecenipicek>hehe :)
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10:30<pecenipicek>so, my question is, in short, How do you remove a password from an existing user and prevent any kind of login or shell access for that user?
10:30<petemc>passwd -l
10:31<dvs>pecenipicek: /bin/false in /etc/passwd
10:31<kop>pecenipicek: Depends on what you want to disable. Either of the above. RTFM.
10:31<pecenipicek>Second question is, how to make sure that a process which is started at boot-time as a specified user, instead of root?
10:32<pecenipicek>kk.
10:32<kop>pecenipicek: You use su in the script that starts it to run the process.
10:32<kop>pecenipicek: (Or do the equalivent in the process's code.)
10:33<pecenipicek>Okay. Thanks :)
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10:36<kop>pecenipicek: Note that there are standards (lsb) used in startup scripts that do this sort of thing for you. (see /lib/lsb/init-functions)
10:37<kop>pecenipicek: (At least I think there's something in there that will su for you.)
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10:37<pecenipicek>i'll be reading it now :)
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10:42<kop>pecenipicek: You have to source the file.
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10:43<pecenipicek>What do you mean by that?
10:43<shokah>source the/file
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10:43<dvs>heh
10:44<shokah>no idea pecenipicek
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10:46<Gerowen>Any way to fix some of the fonts being fuzzy? It only affects certain web pages(browser independent), and some applications (Skype). The affected font appears to be Arial, or something that looks like it.
10:46<Gerowen>This is a pretty much stock Debian install, only had it up about a day
10:47<pecenipicek>hmm. i think my problem might be something related to permissions and symlinks actually...
10:47*pecenipicek goes off to dig
10:47*Gerowen is testing irc commands and such.
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10:50<pecenipicek>kop: Which file did you mean that i have to source?
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10:53<rt>.ru:6667
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10:54<rt>welcome doctor Judas.
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10:55<rt>welcome nkadun'
10:55<kop>pecenipicek: "source" is a shell command. You must source the initscripts. Probably the lsb stuff is not going to chuid for you and you have to use the debian start-stop-daemon script (IIRC) directly.
10:55<rt>IIRC initscripts
10:55<pecenipicek>hokay.
10:55<rt>vjaaa
10:56<rt>thanks for nothing but thanks for it,
10:56<rt>hiops
10:56<rt>hi ops are you live
10:56<rt>am you I AM LIVE
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10:58<rt>half the time!
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10:59<rt>almost 22, how are you all doing? is anybody chatting nowaday?!
10:59<jhutchins_lt2>rt: This is a technical support channel. Please go elsewhere for social chat.
11:01<rt>thanks. I will come back here when I feel free. That's what i meant though. I am a noob (if u wanna call me that) heads up , thanks i'm derek
11:01<rt>peace out see you when i lurk here moar hahaha
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11:02<rt>do [ what i say ] because sleep 0
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11:03<civfan>rt works for RealTek
11:03<civfan>R___T__
11:03<civfan>RT
11:03<civfan>rt
11:03<civfan>coincidence? i think not
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11:26<Iridos>civfan, "real troll"
11:27<civfan>Iridos: No.
11:27<civfan>What?
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11:27<Iridos><civfan> R___T__<civfan> coincidence? i think not
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11:27<civfan>How is that trolling, who is that trolling, how can it troll
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11:28<Iridos>I meant "rt"... "real troll"
11:28<Iridos>my
11:28<Iridos>drink a coffee!
11:28<civfan>oh
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11:28<civfan>no i only do sedatives
11:28<Iridos>I noticed that...
11:28<civfan>My brain could work better.
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11:41<shokah>it's strange fot the Debian channel to not have any questions, no? 493 people and no one single question, awesome, Debian is too easy XD
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11:43<schichtleiter>Hi, could someone be so kind and tell me where to put grub2 password entries?
11:43<schichtleiter>As you shouldnt edit grub.cfg
11:43<daemonkeeper>shokah: #debian on Freenode has < 1000 users and is not being more chatty
11:43<Iridos>shokah, all right... I installed the google-talkplugin into chromium and it can only see one sound device (there's a web-page allowing you to switch), running a browser as root sees lots of sound devices - permissions of /dev/snd/* seem ok, what else could it be?
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11:44<Iridos>daemonkeeper, I always keep 1-2 questions for people who immediately need one :-P
11:44<shokah>tharkun, Iridos, let me think XD
11:45<daemonkeeper>Iridos: Mine problems usually can't be solved by anyone but upstream kernel hackers :(
11:46<shokah>Iridos, permissions are ok (with audio group) and you are in audio group?
11:47<Iridos>shokah, ls -la /dev/snd && groups: http://pastebin.com/075w7gzu
11:47<Iridos>bibab
11:48<shokah>what does 'arecord -l' say?
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11:48<Iridos>other applications can use sound, too...
11:48<shokah>then no idea
11:48<Iridos>http://pastebin.com/yS5EANfe
11:48<Iridos>yeah, me neither :)
11:48<SynrG>conspiracy
11:49<shokah>chrome is an other google thread to the world
11:49<Iridos>I wonder if the plugin could possibly run with a different set of groups
11:49<shokah>aptitude purge
11:49<Iridos>oh, the same is true for chromium and iceweasel
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11:49<SynrG>what's different about the device it can't see? usb?
11:50<shokah>mmmm, iceweasel isn't a thread to the privacy, and it's very cute with vimperator plugin :-)
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11:50<Iridos>it can only see one device and I'm not sure that one really exists
11:50<SynrG>tested with fresh profiles?
11:50<Iridos>there are several others... yes, the others are all usb
11:51<Iridos>hm, no... should test with a fresh profile
11:51<Iridos>good eye, dear
11:51<SynrG>iceweasel has -safemode
11:51<SynrG>er, -safe-mode
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11:53<h3ll0r>hello fnds
11:53<shokah>helo h3ll0r
11:54<h3ll0r>do u know how to install tor in backtrack
11:54<daemonkeeper>!backtrack
11:54<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
11:54<shokah>you can install tor on Debian :-P
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11:55<h3ll0r>which is the best backtrack or whoppix
11:56<shokah>Debian GNU/Linux
11:56<h3ll0r>k
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11:56<daemonkeeper>The best choice is your first preference, feel free to use whatever you want. However please note and respect you will get no support here unless you use Debian.
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11:58<Iridos>SynrG, you're right... works with a fresh profile... ... which means the same type of corruption happened in ff and chromium
11:58<Iridos>hmmm
11:58<Iridos>that's a little bit crazy
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12:02<civfan>electro MAGNETISM
12:03<civfan>how do i learn about this phenomena
12:03<petemc>pray for divine enlightenment
12:04<SynrG>$ apt-cache search em | wc -l
12:04<SynrG>15138
12:04<daemonkeeper>Pray for divine enlightenment in #debian-offtopic
12:04<SynrG>manually review these. maybe one will help.
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12:05<Name1ess>having a bit of trouble with display here - running latest Squeeze stable, using the 173.14.xx nVidia driver. Was working fine, but when I shut down the computer last night & started it today (first time to reboot after installing the driver, btw) I am now stuck in 640x480 mode. Please help me re-enable my graphics driver?
12:06<SynrG>pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:06<Name1ess>on it SynrG
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12:08<Name1ess>http://pastebin.com/N4p2gNzF
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12:09<Guest1519>Hi - would anybody be able to recommend any good websites for sustainable computing and/or sending old macintosh computers to developing countries?
12:09<Name1ess>also, using xfce (kde4 is too resource intensive for this older comp)
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12:10<SynrG>(WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0
12:10<SynrG>was the monitor not on when booted?
12:10<Name1ess>true
12:11<SynrG>try: xrandr --auto
12:11<Name1ess>allow me to reboot, see if that fixes it - will report back either way
12:11<SynrG>k
12:11<Name1ess>oh?
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12:11<SynrG>the xrandr may fix it
12:11*SynrG shrugs
12:11<Jack-Os>Hello guys
12:11<Name1ess>yeah, I'd rather reboot, just to be sure it auto-fixes itself
12:11<SynrG>k
12:11<Jack-Os>Whats the command/string to find out my sytem specs?
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12:12*Name1ess waits a moment so he can read the asnwer to Jack-Os question
12:12<Jack-Os>xD
12:12<SynrG>!whats my hardware
12:12<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
12:13<Jack-Os>um... the server is kinda on the other part of the world that's why I'm asking for the command :P
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12:13<SynrG>Jack-Os: um... i just told you
12:13<Jack-Os>Yeah. Just wanted to state it :P
12:13<Jack-Os>thanks :P
12:14<SynrG>you don't need to justify your questions :)
12:14<Jack-Os>:D
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12:15<Name1ess>dpkg is owl, dpkg has wise
12:15<dpkg>Name1ess: wish i knew
12:15<Name1ess>lolwat
12:15<Name1ess>AND a sense of humor
12:16<jhutchins_lt2>http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ <- further development of kde3.
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12:16<Jack-Os>hm
12:16<Jack-Os>xD
12:16<Jack-Os>None of these commands worked
12:16<Jack-Os>do I really need to install something? XD
12:16<SynrG>no. they're probably just not in your PATH
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12:17<SynrG>by default, /usr/sbin (for system-y things) isn't in your PATH as an ordinary user
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12:17<SynrG>some of them you may need to install, but some you should have.
12:18<SynrG>ah, hm. i may be wrong
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12:18<SynrG>lspci, at least, is in /usr/bin
12:19<Jack-Os>so... cd ~/root/bin?
12:19<Jack-Os>xD
12:19<SynrG>no
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12:19<SynrG>lspci is in the pciutils package. if you don't have it, install it.
12:19<Name1ess>that lshw is an awesome tool
12:20<SynrG>lsusb is in usbutils
12:20<jhutchins_lt2>Jack-Os: Did you try these as a regular user or as root?
12:20<Name1ess>and mow i go reboot, biab
12:20<Name1ess>meow*
12:20<Jack-Os>soo... apt-get install lspci
12:20<Jack-Os>As root :P
12:20<SynrG>13:19 < SynrG> lspci is in the pciutils package. if you don't have it, install it.
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12:20<jhutchins_lt2>Jack-Os: No, aptitude install pciutils.
12:21<Jack-Os>xD what the hell is pciutils? :D
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12:21<Jack-Os>Where is that located in? :D
12:21<SynrG>the package containing lspci
12:21<SynrG>is there an echo in here?
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12:21<Jack-Os>xD
12:21<jhutchins_lt2>Jack-Os: It's usually installed by default. You said the commands didn't work, but you didn't say what response you got.
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12:22<Jack-Os>um.. whats the command again? xD
12:22<Jack-Os>lspci?
12:22<SynrG>...
12:22<jhutchins_lt2>That's one of them.
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12:22<Jack-Os>-bash: lspci: command not found :P
12:22*SynrG finds something more productive to do
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12:22<Jack-Os>lol :D
12:22<jhutchins_lt>Jack-Os: Then try aptitude install pciutils
12:23<Jack-Os>apt-get install pciutils ? :P
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12:23<Jack-Os>The following extra packages will be installed: libpci3
12:24<Name1ess>great news - display is normal again. Thanks!
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12:24<SynrG>Name1ess: would be nice to know if the xrandr fixes it too, since rebooting when you forget to turn the monitor on first is kind of annoying. you can experiment :)
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12:25<Name1ess>all i have to do is boot without monitor to test, then run that command, right?
12:25<SynrG>Name1ess: on one system that gives me this kind of trouble (an HDTV is the monitor) i just need to ssh in and /etc/init.d/gdm restart
12:25<Jack-Os>xD
12:25<SynrG>as when it happens i get *no* display
12:25<Jack-Os>lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
12:25<SynrG>so it's kinda hard to fix blind
12:26<SynrG>Jack-Os: would this happen to be a VPS?
12:26<Jack-Os>No, a dedi.
12:26<Name1ess>please SynrG : please give command syntax for xrandr again - using klunky chatzilla, don't have the chat reloaded on join
12:26<SynrG>Name1ess: xrandr -auto
12:26<Name1ess>thx
12:26<Iridos>heh, now in chromium it sees the other devices, too, but all of them don't see the one I just plugged in
12:26<Name1ess>testing
12:27<SynrG>--auto, sorry
12:27<Name1ess>SynrG: need root for that command, or is $ fine?
12:27<SynrG>this is one case where root does *not* help (wont' be authorized, probably)
12:27<Name1ess>k
12:27<Name1ess>biab
12:27<SynrG>and possibly: xrandr --output VGA1 --auto
12:27<SynrG>i forget if you need to specify the output
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12:28<Jack-Os>:P
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12:28<Jack-Os>SynrG: A dedicated computer.
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12:30<sney>Jack-Os: it's normal for it to install extra packages when you install something. also, you will probably get more of what you want from 'lshw' which you will need to install the same way.
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12:30<SynrG>Jack-Os: dunno, then. that result seems consistent with running in a virtual environment.
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12:31<Jack-Os>:P
12:31<SynrG>most systems would be able to lspci, even as an ordinary user. your case is very strange.
12:31<Jack-Os>I just wanted to see my system specifications xD
12:31<SynrG>did you install Debian on this system yourself?
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12:31<Jack-Os>Nope
12:31<Jack-Os>xD
12:31<Jack-Os>Company did :P
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12:32<Name1ess>SynrG: tried , got error:
12:32<Name1ess>cacheram@L1CACHE:~$ xrandr --auto
12:32<Name1ess>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
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12:32<SynrG>Name1ess:
12:32<SynrG>13:27 < SynrG> and possibly: xrandr --output VGA1 --auto
12:32<SynrG>13:27 < SynrG> i forget if you need to specify the output
12:32<Jack-Os>Hm... If I can't see my system info, how do I test my internet speed? :D
12:32<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: You can also restart the dissplay manager - probably gdm if this is a default gnome system. /etc/init.d/gdm restart.
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12:32<Name1ess>herp, didnt see that
12:32<Jack-Os>is there a way? :P
12:32<SynrG>Name1ess: just 'xrandr' without arguments to see names of outputs
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12:33<sney>Jack-Os: well you could try with lshw, or look around at the files in /proc
12:33<Name1ess>jhutchins_lt: using kdm (started out with KDE4, it's too resource-intensive, switched to xfce)
12:33<jhutchins_lt>Name1ess: So substitute k for g above.
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12:34<bafu>Hello, everyone :) After My notebook was upgraded/dist-upgraded under ``wheezy", its wireless, soundcard and touchpad can't work now.
12:34<Name1ess>SynrG: none of them commands work, all give same error about gama
12:34<Name1ess>xrandr alone gave me:
12:34<SynrG>shrug
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12:34<Name1ess>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 640 x 480, maximum 640 x 480
12:34<Name1ess>default connected 640x480+0+0 0mm x 0mm
12:35<Name1ess> 640x480 50.0*
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12:35<Name1ess> 320x240 51.0
12:35<SynrG>!paste
12:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
12:35*Name1ess facepalms
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12:35<Name1ess>two lines? V:
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12:35<SynrG>anyway, it's called 'default', and 'xrandr --auto' talked about 'default' so i guess it's ok to not specify the output
12:35<Name1ess>whatever, i know i can fix it with reboot, was just testing the commands for your benefit.
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12:35<Name1ess>thanks again SynrG
12:35<SynrG>well, this is for *your* benefit, actually :)
12:36<SynrG>ssh in and gdm restart
12:36<SynrG>as i indicated before (and someone else suggested, too)
12:36<Name1ess>lol i hate console (inb4 then why are you using linux)
12:36<bafu>Originally my Debian was Sid, after I encountered this problem, I downgraded to wheezy.
12:36<SynrG>well, i hate reboots
12:36<SynrG>especially on ancient hardware that doesn't do it quickly
12:36<Jack-Os>Anyone uses Cmake in Debian?
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12:36<SynrG>!anyone
12:36<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:37<Jack-Os>xD
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12:37<Jack-Os>Okay. Sorry :/
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12:42<jhutchins_lt>!reboot
12:42<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
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12:43<quant>hi, can anyone recommend a KDE gui package manger similar to kpackagekit on Kubuntu?
12:43<bafu>However I still met this problem yesterday. I know that recently Linux kernel has great changes.
12:43<bafu>Is this problem about driver issues?
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12:44<devil>#
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12:45<sney>bafu it's probably the udev bug, also downgrading doesn't really work
12:46<jhutchins_lt>bafu: Wheezy is still testing, and still fairly new (2 months).
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12:46<bafu>sney: Maybe I need to downgrade to Squeeze? :)
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12:46<jhutchins_lt>bafu: More like a clean install.
12:46<sney>if by downgrade you mean back up /home and reinstall :P
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12:51<bafu>sney: hum... If I want to resolve this problem without downgrade/reinstall, what can I do for this problem? Try to find udev patches? :)
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12:54<devil>bafu: with base-file 6.3 the problem should be solved
12:55<sney>yeah, though with his attempted "fixes" who knows if that will even work
12:55<sney>!udev 620995
12:55<dpkg>udev 167-1 in sid is currently broken, because it tries to use /run created by base-files 6.2 which is not yet supported by the initscripts version in sid. Downgrade udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1 and remove /run to fix it. Install <apt-listbugs> and see #620995, #620191, #621036 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/04/msg00353.html for details.
12:55<sney>hmm, hasn't been updated
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12:57<bafu>sney, jhutchins_lt, devil: Thank you! :) I will follow these information and try to resolve this problem. Thank you all again!
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13:02<Iridos>bafu, how do you think you "downgraded to wheezy" - there is no mechanism to do that... that is the case, because the downgrade of single packages is already not guaranteed to work ("/msg dpkg downgrade" as to why)
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13:02<Iridos>you can always (try to) downgrade single packages like the kernel, of course
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13:03<laura_>HELLO
13:03<sney>!shouting
13:03<dpkg>rumour has it, shouting is typing in ALL CAPS. It is considered rude and will likely not get a useful response.
13:03<ichdasich> 250 #debian
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13:05<Iridos>bafu, as to solve the problem... check the bts for the kernel and the X drivers if someone already reported a bug, if not, figure out what fails yourself and write a bug-report... if you installed packages from sid, you DID subscribe to exactly that type of procedure
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13:07<quant>I don't have sound while playing YouTube videos with proprietary flash, can anyone help, please?
13:07<dererkazo>Flash? Puaj! feo caca
13:08<Iridos>quant, try running the browser with "aoss yourbrowser"
13:08<Iridos>just a shot in the dark
13:08<daemonkeeper>The wiki mentions some troubleshootings
13:08<quant>Iridos: what will that do?
13:08<daemonkeeper>!dadobe flash
13:08<daemonkeeper>!adobe flash
13:08<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
13:08<dererkazo>Flash? Puaj! feo caca
13:09<daemonkeeper>°^ there
13:09<Iridos>!tell quant -about aoss
13:09<daemonkeeper>dererkazo: Would you mind communicating in English here?
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13:09<quant>thanks
13:09<Iridos>daemonkeeper, with that type of comment I don't think you really want that
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13:10<daemonkeeper>Iridos: My Spanish is limited, but if it means what I think it would, I can imagine ;)
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13:11<Jack_Os>how do I list to see what files I've got in folder I'm in atm? :P
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13:11<daemonkeeper>ls?
13:11<Iridos>daemonkeeper, http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Puaj!%20feo%20caca
13:12<Iridos>daemonkeeper, since google introduced this service, my spanish-understanding improved dramatically :-P (at least as long as I have internet)
13:12<daemonkeeper>heh
13:12<Iridos>(along with my chinese-understanding and hindi-understanding)
13:12<daemonkeeper>I speak Italian, Spanish is somewhat similar, so I've a general idea usually ;)
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13:22<ani>http://morlockonzark.deviantart.com/art/Debian-Leather-Wallpapers-178498514 hope some user like my work.
13:23<Jack_Os>how do I go to home folder? :P
13:24<ani>~/
13:24<daemonkeeper>cd
13:24<ani>cd ~/
13:24<daemonkeeper>cd without argument is the same as cd ~
13:25<ani> btw in terminal by deafult you are in home
13:25<Jack_Os>k
13:25<Jack_Os>ty
13:25<Jack_Os>:P
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13:28<Iridos>!fundamentals
13:28<dpkg>You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
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13:33<matttis>hi
13:33<sney>hi
13:34<jhutchins_lt>Jack_Os: Seriously, have a look at those links.
13:34<matttis>my debian has eth0 and eth1, possible there were 2 cables in here... how do I remove eth1?
13:34<sney>open the computer and take the card out?
13:35<matttis>but there was no eth1 before (at least before debian upgrade)
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13:35<cahoot>!70
13:35<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
13:35<cahoot>matttis: ^
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13:36<cahoot>matttis: you can simply remove that udev rule and run udevadm trigger
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13:38<Jack_Os>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
13:38<Jack_Os>Xd
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13:38<Jack_Os>xD*
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13:42<abcd82>Jack_Os: no offense, but you're some kind of a clown? almost every your sentence ends with :P :D xD etc. ... not cool....
13:43<s_i_m>peace guys, peace @}-,-'-,--
13:43<Jack_Os>yay xD
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13:43<daemonkeeper>abcd82: or ... 13?
13:44<Jack_Os>^
13:44<Jack_Os>^^*
13:45<ani>any one using gtk3
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13:47<SynrG>!anyone
13:47<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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13:48<ani>O_O
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13:49<daemonkeeper>Now you scared him
13:49<SynrG>heh
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13:52<s_i_m>it confirms that it is much easier now to download and install Debian, I guess
13:52<s_i_m>(i mean the increased amount of ubuntu-like users here on #debian)
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14:09<ottoshmidt>btw, on installing... I have always had a problem on installing grub from the first try
14:10-!-devil is now known as devil_
14:10<ottoshmidt>it always had failed... then used to try lilo and only afterwards installed grub from the system
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14:17<jerryclunsford>How do you install a usb joystick on debian lenny?
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14:18<fred_>hi
14:18<fred_>short question(sry for my bad english)
14:19<fred_>when i do "ls -la" in terminal, the list is too long i dont see everything, how can i see everything?
14:19<Yoda-BZH>| less
14:19<fred_>:)
14:19-!-mOnDY [~martin-mo@adsl-dyn247.78-99-224.t-com.sk] has joined #debian
14:19<fred_>thank u!!
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14:20<jerryclunsford>where can I get information on installing a USB joystick on Debian Lenny?
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14:31<matttis>me again
14:32<matttis>I need to describe my problem a bit different
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14:35<matttis>theres one network cable attached to my machine, but it has 2 working IPs
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14:36<matttis>also it has to interfaces, but since only 1 cable is attached - in my view - there should be only 1 IP working
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14:39<cahoot>you really mean IP not interfaces?
14:40<kop>matttis: One plug can have as may IP numbers as desired.
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14:40<kop>matttis: Generally this is configured in /etc/network/interfaces.
14:40<kop>!tel matttis about interfaces
14:40<kop>!tell matttis about interfaces
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14:43<kop>matttis: FYI, see below.
14:43<kop>!tell matttis about 70
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14:44<matttis>kop, its not explicitly written into /etc/network/interfaces
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14:44<daemonkeeper>Maybe you should tell more about your problem.
14:44-!-tazz_ is now known as tazz
14:44<daemonkeeper>You get your IP through DHCÜ
14:45<daemonkeeper>DHCP
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14:45<matttis>no, its static
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14:46<cahoot>put the outut of 'ip addr' on a pastebin?
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14:47<matttis>http://pastebin.com/WFYkmcRh
14:47*kop ooh, ooh! The ip command! One day I'll remember to upgrade my brain and use it instead of all the old stuff.
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14:48<daemonkeeper>Old stuff like ... ifconfig?
14:49<kop>daemonkeeper: Yah.
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14:49<daemonkeeper>I don't think ip will replace ifconfig. ip can more, but is also more complicated to handle.
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14:50<jhutchins_lt>I've actually learned to stop using nslookup.
14:50<jhutchins_lt>I imagine ifconfig will eventually just be a wrapper for ip.
14:50<kop>jhutchins_lt: Well, dig does rock.
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14:55<daemonkeeper>ack. But try to create a VLAN with ifconfig :)
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14:56<matttis>so, maybe someone else will come back here to this channel, to trigger down the problem, i have to go, thx for the help
14:56<lixhell>hi
14:56<matttis>I have pasted him the IRC log
14:56<matttis>good bye
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14:56<lixhell>i need help 4 my vga radeon 5770 juniper
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14:57<Nemoder>!radeon
14:57<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
14:57<newb>some channel for Gnome (like #debian-kde)?
14:58<retrospectacus>!gnome
14:58<dpkg>GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
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14:59<lixhell>i'he read this site.
14:59<newb>ty. #gnome-debian is empty :(
14:59<lixhell>my radeon func in 2D, but 3D no
14:59<newb>Some ideas about gnome3 on Debian?
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15:00<daemonkeeper>newb: Note the IRC server
15:00<lixhell>i was install fglrx dkms
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15:02<lixhell>in my hardware, the open source driver was very very slow
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15:03<lixhell>i m prefer open driver (more easy), but superkart (my test software :-) ) ran very slow
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15:04<Nemoder>that is typical of the open driver
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15:07<lixhell>i dont compile driver (m-a a-i fglrx), its necessary ????
15:07<lixhell>i need google earth
15:07<Nemoder>!fglrx
15:07<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net.
15:08<lixhell>i m using fglrx, but no run 3d
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15:09<lixhell># fgl_glxgears
15:09<lixhell>Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
15:09<lixhell>Erreur de segmentation
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15:10<Nemoder>sorry, I use NVIDIA, not much help
15:11<devil>sney: btw.: http://packages.debian.org/sid/udev just hit unstable
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15:11<lixhell>:-(
15:11<lixhell>in nvidia + gnu/linux world
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15:12<lixhell>the really is more easy in 3d????
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15:13<lixhell>is nvidia more simple for install, full feature???
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15:13<daemonkeeper>Some people would say so
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15:14<Nemoder>it still has the problem of proprietary drivers for good performance
15:14<Nemoder>but the drivers are good, I hear ATI is getting better but still has problems
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15:15<mehdi_>how can i install apps to my ipod?
15:15<lixhell>and you???
15:15<daemonkeeper>As far as I know this is not supported
15:16<daemonkeeper>But with itunes of course.
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15:16<Gerowen>they have apps for ipods now?
15:16<daemonkeeper>Always been
15:17<streuner>nah
15:17<daemonkeeper>Not /that/ usable, i.e. not the App Store apps if you mean that
15:17<streuner>there are some apps, but they dont work very well
15:17<Gerowen>Must be one of those newfangled iPod touches or something. I've still got the dollar tree MP3 player, :p
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15:18<streuner>its very easy to transfer mp3s to ipods touch
15:18<daemonkeeper>No, the Touch is really capable to run apps from the app store I think. The classic Ipods support some (limited) applications like some games and so on
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15:18<daemonkeeper>Anyway, now as the Classic boot loader was finally decrypted, time for Rockbox comes again
15:19<daemonkeeper>(Finally)
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15:19<streuner>there are are a large number of apps which cost you nothing at all
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15:20<lixhell>there is some channel specific ways to ask about this? (vga / ati / 3d)
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15:21<streuner>if you are using Debian you are here in the right channel...
15:21<costas>hello again... heads up, for the nopointer problem of new kernels (with old vgas on some laptops), when you update sources (check the web) and restart pointer works fine
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15:21<lixhell>ok
15:21<costas>!beer dpkg
15:21*dpkg pulls out an excellent Spaten Pils for dpkg
15:22<costas>bye bye now peeps, behave...
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15:23<lixhell>someone can tell how to get 3D acceleration with ati/radeon squeeze in?
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15:23<devil>lixhell: install firmware-linux-nonfree
15:24<devil>lixhell: depending on your card, that might be enough
15:24<jhutchins_lt>!tell lixhell about radeon
15:24<lixhell>is necessary compile the m-a a-i fglrx?? or install dkms is enough???
15:25<jhutchins_lt>lixhell: Seems like folks get by with dkms most of the time, see message from dpkg.
15:25<lixhell>i I already have it
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15:27<lixhell>i have a ati radeon 5770 juniper 1GB gddr5
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15:27<streuner>dpkg, listvals 5770
15:27<dpkg>Factoid search of '5770' by value (1): dillo.
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15:27<mehdi_>can instal photoshop?
15:28<streuner>dpkg, dillo
15:28<dpkg>Dillo is a GTK+ based web browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. Not part of Lenny's release due to Debian bug #510348. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #577019. http://www.dillo.org/
15:28<streuner>forget that :-)
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15:28<streuner>mehdi_: there was a backport or such for Debian
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15:29<mehdi_>wat?
15:29<jhutchins_lt>mehdi_: grub
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15:30<mehdi_>i dont get wat u mean guys
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15:30<ilya80>Hey guise, nice evening, is it?
15:30<ilya80>:)
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15:31<streuner>!gimpshop
15:31<dpkg>[gimpshop] a hack of gimp that models PhotoShop.
15:31<lixhell>ok, i go try
15:31<lixhell>anyway
15:31<lixhell>thx
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15:39<chealer>dpkg: no, Dillo is a minimalistic web browser that is no longer distributed by Debian (see bug #577019). http://www.dillo.org/
15:39<dpkg>okay, chealer
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15:49<installman>what entries must be in apt/sources.list for correct squeeze dist-upgrade ?
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15:50<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell installman about lenny->squeeze
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16:11<pcc>why is there no kpdf -> okular transition package? sigh, wasted 15 mins on this
16:11<mlundblad>what does it take to enable 3D acceleration with nouveau?
16:11<mlundblad>is it possible yet in wheezy?
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16:13<pcc>at least okular has a presentation mode that doesn't suck
16:13<daemonkeeper>pcc: Because okular is more than a KDE 4 package of kpdf.
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16:14<daemonkeeper>okular is a document viewer, being able to display much more than PDF/PS (as was kpdf), so it is much more than a new name for kpdf
16:15<devil>mlundblad: very basic
16:15<pcc>daemonkeeper: that makes sense, but if we remove kpdf, we should provide a transition to whatever the new alternative is
16:16<mlundblad>devil: glxinfo says "software rendering" still
16:16<mlundblad>this is not a bleeding edge board, a 8600GT
16:16<devil>mlundblad: it depends strongly on the card
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16:17<daemonkeeper>pcc: Well, that would require a transisition package from arts to phonon, dcop to dbus and so on. Note Debian provides only transition packages if upstream (or Debian) chooses to change name but the new version is a straight successor, not a complete new replacement, for example: ethereal -> wireshark.
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16:21<pcc>daemonkeeper: I was going to say I didn't see harm in a transition from arts to phonon etc., but then I realised the upgrade use-case. perhaps the right thing to do is to do something different for new installs vs upgrdes, but I can't say what that would be
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16:22<Sipher>Hello all
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16:24<Sipher>Has anyone here had an issue with cifs vifs errors when mounting a windows share?
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16:25<Sipher>Specificly the no response for cmd 47 error
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16:26<newb>Trying install gnome3-session here I receive this at /var/log/messages: Apr 11 17:17:30 debian kernel: [ 2024.530947] gnome-settings-[4556]: segfault at 7fe45c9a9d50 ip 00007fe45c9a9d50 sp 00007fff76a98e28 error 14 in libdbus-1.so.3.5.4[7fe45cbea000+42000]
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16:26<newb>Gnome don't start and shows me the message "Oh no! Something has gone wrong...."
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16:26<newb>some ideas
16:26<newb>?
16:26<Sipher>how did you install it'
16:27<Sipher>aka did you build it from source or install it via apt
16:27<mlundblad>devil: this looks suspisious: AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
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16:29<jhutchins_lt>newb: WHich release?
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16:30<devil>mlundblad: it does, as i never used nouveau myself, i cant help much. i discarded nvidia for intel only (even on the desktop box)
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16:30<mlundblad>devil: whise choice, I guess :)
16:30<newb>Sipher, <jhutchins_lt: installed with apt, this info: http://pastebin.com/3QixSeDh last release I found at repositories at pastebin
16:30<devil>mlundblad: as i dont game, yes.
16:31<jhutchins_lt>newb: Well, there's your problem.
16:31<jhutchins_lt>!sid
16:31<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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16:32<newb>jhutchins_lt: How can I install gnome from ssource?
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16:32<jhutchins_lt>newb: Reinstall with squeeze and it should work fine.
16:32<installman>is there any util out to view which application uses how much network activity (a kind of top but for network activity) ?
16:32<jhutchins_lt>newb: If you don't know, gnome is not a good thing to start on.
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16:32<mlundblad>installman: iftop
16:33<webad_13>guys I'm desperately looking for help on this issue - due to some temporary changes in provider (internet) right now our connection at the dorm is terrible. However, Windows manages to connect fine and most importantly keeps the connection stable. Since I don't really like using Windows and all of my tools are on Debian, I don't see this as a good option.
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16:33<jhutchins_lt>newb: Installing from source breaks package manangement.
16:33<installman>mlundblad: thank you
16:33<streuner>installman: iptraf?
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16:33<newb>jhutchins_lt: Ok... Some ideas about oficial packages?
16:33<webad_13>The problem with Debian is that is sometimes connects but the connection drops quite often, and it is not easy for it to come back
16:33<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: We would need a lot more detail on the connection and the errors.
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16:33<webad_13>I made a small scrip using ifup and ifdown
16:33<jhutchins_lt>newb: Reinstall with squeeze instead of sid.
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16:33<webad_13>to keep the connection alive but that didn't work quite well
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16:34<newb>jhutchins_lt: And there are gnome3 at squeeze?
16:34<webad_13>ok, I think I have all the details, give me a sec to pastebin it
16:35<jhutchins_lt>newb: No. Gnome 3 is not functional yet.
16:35<jhutchins_lt>newb: Gnome just released it a week or so ago. It will take quite a while to make it to stable.
16:35<newb>jhutchins_lt: Ok..
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16:36<sml>hi folks
16:37<newb>thanks for info
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16:38<sml>can anyone recommend a good chat client? im using ircii, but it's a bit difficult to differentiate signal to noise (i.e. chat and server messages)
16:38<newb>jhutchins_lt: how can I remove all gnome packages? (there are something like "remove gnome*"? ) ?
16:39<jhutchins_lt>!purekde
16:39<jhutchins_lt>!remove gnome
16:39<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
16:39<streuner>sml: X-Chat! but many people prefer irssi
16:39<webad_13>jhutchins_lt, here is Windows configuration (ip table and ipconf /all) - http://pastebin.com/pfjs4YLD
16:39<jhutchins_lt>newb: Again, I strongly recommend that you run squeeze/stable until you know how to do these things without asking.
16:40<webad_13>for debian configuration just ask me, since I cannot really paste it - I would need to switch the system and I wouldn't have connection, well not a stable one
16:40<sml>streuner: I take it X-Chat is X-based? Am using console only , so will look into irssi - thanks
16:40<streuner>
16:40<streuner>np
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16:41<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Perhaps if you told your campus support staff you were running linux? Or MacOS? Basically you need the instructions from them for how to set up your connection.
16:41<chealer>sml: I suppose you mean an IRC client? which desktop environment do you use?
16:42<sml>I read in the release notes to Squeeze that it was recommended to use apt for the upgrade rather than aptitude as in former releases. Is aptitude generally recommened over apt for non distro-upgrading tasks ? i.e. should I be using aptitude to run my system, just not for migrating from lenny to squeeze?
16:42<webad_13>hmmmm, this is not campus related - provider is telecom italia and Macs work well
16:42<streuner>chealer: he using not X on his machine...
16:42<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Is it PPPoE? Is it some sort of proxy?
16:42<webad_13>so I would be suprised if they are somehow giving lower priority to linux
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16:42<webad_13>it is not PPPoE
16:42<sml>chealer: I don't use any X. X11 or otherwise.
16:43<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Ok, find someone running linux on telecom italia and see if they can help. You'll probably need to search mailing lists/forums. Perhaps there is a Linux Users Group that could help.
16:43<webad_13>My adress is resolved by a router that is used for the whole dorm
16:43<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Wireless?
16:43<webad_13>ethernet
16:44<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: No PPPoE or VPN?
16:44<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: What NIC?
16:44<webad_13>well I don't know how the router connects to the provider, but for us it is I suppose DHCP to the router
16:44<webad_13>my NIC?
16:44<webad_13>intel 100 Pro
16:44<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Network Chipset.
16:45<webad_13>there are no lost packets
16:45<webad_13>on the network, I ran tcpdump
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16:45<webad_13>but I didn't spot anything....
16:45<webad_13>when connection drops I am unable to ping the DNS
16:46<webad_13>but I can ping the router
16:46<webad_13>just fine, and anyone in the network
16:46<webad_13>I was thinking that for some reason they might be blocking linux
16:46<jhutchins_lt>so it's not the connection, it's the route.
16:46<jhutchins_lt>Ask them.
16:46<webad_13>yes, u r correct
16:47<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Is network-manager installed/running?
16:47<webad_13>but is there a way for me to check this - could I mask somehow myself to look like windows user while on linux
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16:47<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Did you configure the connection in /etc/network/interfaces?
16:47<webad_13>yes, it is installed but I tried without too and same old thing
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16:47<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: There is nothing particular about linux internet traffic.
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16:47<webad_13>well, how could they know if I am using linux
16:47<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: I would recommend removing network-manager. That symptom is a known problem.
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16:48<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: They don't. Something's messing up your routing table.
16:48<sml>jhutchins_lt: is it not possible to fingerprint a Linux TCP/IP stack? (although that's not happening here , obviously)
16:48<jhutchins_lt>sml: Yes, but that requires scanning the target PC, not a matter of filtering traffic from it.
16:48<webad_13>but it is not started, if I run ps -e|grep Netw
16:48<webad_13>nothing comes up
16:49<webad_13>I tried with it being disabled
16:49<jhutchins_lt>sml: Also, I can't think of a method to block routing based on either a portscan or monitoring traffic.
16:49<sml>jhutchins_lt: I mean, as a basic scenario,could an ISP determine what OS you're running?
16:49<webad_13>and I also have a version of Debian where it is not installed and same thing
16:49<webad_13>I was told they can
16:49<jhutchins_lt>sml: Difficult to automate.
16:50<webad_13>and I was suprised, because at least when I try with nmap
16:50<maxb>Hi, can anyone help me figure out what is supposed to be responsible for /dev/fd existing on squeeze?
16:50<webad_13>u don't always get correct results
16:50<sml>jhutchins_lt: iptables can do some fairly fancy pattern matching if there was some perculiarality with Linux packets
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16:50<jhutchins_lt>sml: Which there isn't, tcp/ip packets are tcp/ip packets.
16:50<jhutchins_lt>sml: tcp/ip was developed more closely with *nix, it's an add-on for windows.
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: If they have a policy against linux it's probably best not to try to get around it. Consequences could be unpleasant.
16:51<sml>I heard that Windows still uses a largelly BSD derived TCP/IP stack, but dont know if there's any truth in that
16:51<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: If it's just not supported then it shouldn't be a problem.
16:52<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: You need to figure out what's happening though, if your route table is changing, if their route is changing.
16:52<webad_13>they can't have a policy agains a system
16:52<daemonkeeper>sml: That's true, but not te most recent version anymore.
16:52<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Actually they can.
16:52<webad_13>I shouldn't be denied a service for choosing not to pay for windows or mac
16:52<daemonkeeper>sml: NT/2000 was largely based on the NetBSD (I think) TCP stack
16:52<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Terms of use. They can require specific systems they know how to deal with.
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16:53<jhutchins_lt>Er, sorry daemonkeeper.
16:53<webad_13>hmmm
16:53<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: Anyway, we need to figure out what's really going wrong with the connection in order to fix it.
16:53<webad_13>well, my routing table is not changin that is for sure
16:54<webad_13>would tcpdump be of any help to you
16:54<webad_13>I have one when connection is wokring and one when it is not
16:54<sml>jhutchins_lt: just found a PDF on the web about passive OS identification from TCP/IP headers. No date on it
16:54<webad_13>I marked my mac as MyMAC
16:54<webad_13>so that u could spot it easily..... ???
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16:54<daemonkeeper>Nothing new, nmap supports TCP fingerprinting since years
16:56<sml>daemonkeeper: but nmap is hardly passive
16:56<daemonkeeper>Right, but you can use the same technique as nmap uses for passive scans. You need some data providing evidence of course
16:56<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: If they have a policy against linux you should know about it. If they just don't support it, we're back to finding the problem so we can fix it.
16:56<jhutchins_lt>webad_13: They might even support it though. Have you asked?
16:57<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: We digress from #debian.
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16:57<webad_13>man, this is italy - it is taking them two weeks to change the provider - me asking about support would be another week for sure
16:57<ZykoticK9>I'm running into an issue with Icedove's filtering/junk detection - although I have rules set up for filtering various mailing lists (including debian-user), much of the lists mail is being tagged as junk and end up in the "Junk" folder. Having to use the "Not Junk" button and 20+ emails at a time is shall we say, "not convenient." Any suggestions?
16:57<sml>daemonkeeper: my idea, was is it possible to use iptables to reject traffic based on OS, if you knew there was some peculiarity about packets from a certain OS. since iptables supports tcp flags and headers,it probably is possible
16:57<webad_13>if there is a possibility for me to mask myself as windows or mac user that would be helpful
16:57<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: Absolutely, I would suggest to continue this discussion in ##networking on Freenode or something similar.
16:58<webad_13>so that I have idea if they are really implementing this policy
16:58<sml>webad_13 I doubt it very much
16:58<webad_13>:(:(:(
16:59<sml>jhutchins: you see my Q about apt and aptitude?
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16:59<webad_13>but what is different in the way linux comunicates with the router
16:59<webad_13>wrt mac or windows
16:59<sml>webad_13: mac and windows set networking up properly for you yourself
16:59<sml>webad_13 you've probably missed something
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17:00<webad_13>I copied all the settings from windows configuration that I know of
17:00<jhutchins_lt>sml: Ah, scrolled back and found it. They recommend apt-get because aptitude can get caught in a dependency resolution loop.
17:00<webad_13>but yeah, I could be missing something
17:00<daemonkeeper>sml: Three requirements for that a) You need enough sample data, that is you must keep track of the packet flow over a certain time fime b) out of stock this is not supported by iptables, you need your own module if anything c) this is not reliable. d) an IDS/IPS seems a more natural approach for that purpose. Note jhutchins_lt is right, about us being off-topic here
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17:00<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Please don't continue this here.
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17:00<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: Yep, was my last comment
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17:01<sml>jhutchins: ah, OK. but is aptitude still considered superior in terms of dependency resolution, and still the Debian recommendation? I only ask as I really am more use to apt, so was wondering if I'm going to have to bite the bullet and start learning aptitude
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17:03<daemonkeeper>Actually both are recommended by the release note, with preference to aptitude for interactive mode and as packet selection frontend, i.e. replacing dselect
17:03<daemonkeeper>See http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#pkgmgmt
17:03<Hydroxide>sml: feel free to use whichever you want. for the lenny->squeeze upgrade, the instructions actually emphasize apt-get.
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17:03<sml>daemonkeeper: dselect had a user interface that only its mother could love
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17:04<chealer>webad_13: log pings of both DNS servers in parallel and check when they stop replying
17:04<daemonkeeper>No clue, never used it. Or tasksel ;)
17:04<jhutchins_lt>!why aptitude
17:04<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
17:04<jhutchins_lt>!why not aptitude
17:04<dpkg>Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid; for <lenny->squeeze> use apt-get.
17:04<sml>hydroxide: just trying to understand the pros and cons of using either.
17:05<webad_13>chealer, what should I compare this to
17:05<sml>well maybe i'll just try aptitude the next time apt gets stuck, but otherwise i'll just happily battle on with apt then
17:05<webad_13>btw, if I do ifup and ifdown couple of times I eventually get connection
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>packet: discrete segment of data sent over the network. package: .deb file containing the necessary components of a program.
17:05<webad_13>so I wrote a script that reconnects - but connection does not last for a long time
17:05<daemonkeeper>There is no reason to keep stuck on something. As far as I know neither apt is scheduled to be replaced.
17:06<sml>daemonkeeper: good :)
17:07<webad_13>so the setup is the following: I configure the network through /etc/network/interfaces as dhcp
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17:07<webad_13>script tries to ping google, if it is not successful
17:07<webad_13>then it ifup and ifdown eht0
17:07<webad_13>then tries again
17:08<webad_13>if it is successful 3 times
17:08<webad_13>then it stops
17:08<webad_13>so I have connection
17:08<webad_13>but again, this does not last for a long time - sometimes it is longer sometimes shorter
17:08<webad_13>so, in case there was a policy
17:08<webad_13>this should be at least regular
17:09<webad_13>unless it is human doing it :):):):)
17:09<chealer>webad_13: at least compare one with the other.
17:09<webad_13>I can't say for sure, but I think they both stop working at the same time
17:09<webad_13>since I tried immediately after I loose connection to ping anything outside
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17:10<webad_13>I tried with DNS
17:10<sml>i gotta run. later skater
17:10<webad_13>both
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17:12<newb>I want learn how to make packages for Debian for gnome/kde libs. How can I start?
17:15<ml|>newb: /msg dpkg nmg
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17:28<webad_13>I have another question, what would happen if I spoof my IP to broadcat IP and ping -b the actuall broadcas address
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17:29<daemonkeeper>Why spoof it? You are a legit receiver of you subnet's broadcast packets anyway. Note this is still off-topic here.
17:30<webad_13>well, I am having issues with my connection on debian... my router here responds to broadcast
17:30<webad_13>pings
17:31<webad_13>I thought that changing my IP would trick is somehow so that I get stable connection... no?
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17:32<webad_13>btw, I would appreciate if you point me to a linux networking channel if you know of one
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17:33<daemonkeeper>As said, ##networking on Freenode
17:34<webad_13>ah sorry, I totally missed that
17:35<SynrG>ff
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17:40<maxb>*blink*
17:40<maxb>W. T. F.
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17:40<maxb>So, my VPS, currently running squeeze, upgraded across many debian releases, is working fine
17:40<maxb>Despite not having udev installed
17:41<maxb>A fact I have only just discovered
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17:46<Guest1549>I'm having trouble removing the u3 partition from a thumb drive on my deboan laptop
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17:47<Guest1549>unfortunately debian shows it as 2 device files not 1
17:47<Guest1549>where can I find the single device file to dd and fdisk?
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17:51<dondelelcaro>Guest1549: it will be two device files, because you'll have the disk itself, and then all of the partitions on the disk
17:52<dondelelcaro>s/two/at least &/
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17:52<ilya80>@maxb huh?
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17:54<maxb>ilya80: Yes that was pretty much my reaction :-)
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17:54<Guest1549>yes, but it's /dev/sr0 and /dev/sdc1, and it's readonly. it will not remount read write, dd will not write the device
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17:55<maxb>Apparently the kernel itself can mount a tmpfs at /dev and populate it sanely without any userspace support these days
17:56<maxb>This was news to me
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17:57<Guest1549>I need to remove the /dev/sr0 partition
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17:58<ilya80>I`m not purging udev :)
17:59<maxb>I wouldn't recommend it, no
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18:01<ilya80>laters, happy yuri's night!
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18:25<foxeh>can anyone help me with an ndiswrapper issue?
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18:34<winsen1>helloeverybody
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18:35<sudormrf>\join
18:36<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell foxeh about anyone
18:36<winsen1>how to force stop vitualbox?thanks
18:37<daemonkeeper>winsen1: kill?
18:37<foxeh>daemonkeeper, I know... it was more or less "is anyone alive" haha. I was putting together a pastebin link
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18:38<sudormrf>Anyone know much about extraction operators in C?
18:38<foxeh>anyway AMD64 with a dell usb 1450 wireless adaptor if I use the 32bit driver in ndiswrapper I get this http://pastebin.com/uG7QUwhQ .. if I try to load a 64bit driver the system locks
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18:38<sudormrf>++
18:39<daemonkeeper>sudormrf: This is a Debian support channel, for programming questions browse through Freenode's various C programming channels
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18:40<foxeh>So I am wondering what to do next? I am guessing from the messages I have to use a 64bit driver
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18:50<dvs>foxeh: Why use an ndiswrapper in the first place?
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18:52<foxeh>dvs, its an usb adapter, I didnt think linux supported it natively? I could be wrong though
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18:53<dvs>foxeh: linux supports quite a few USB adaptors.
18:54<dvs>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#USB_Devices
18:54<foxeh>dvs, It doesnt show up from install and boot, is there any packages I need to get maybe?
18:55<dvs>foxeh: Possibly firmware-linux-nonfree but the USB ID is the best place to start: lsusb
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18:57*dvs wishes he could remember the kmuto link that can ID USB devices
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19:00<foxeh>dvs, lol fresh install forgot to get all the firmware stuff. maybe it will work haha,
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19:11<john75077>howdy all
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19:14<john75077>anyone home?
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19:15<gregg70>hi there
19:16<john75077>Im working on trying to get a mail server up and running... which is the best package for a novice?
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19:18<nox_>Hey Debian?
19:19<nox_>Debian the collective, power to the digital revolution! I have a question...
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19:20<webad_13>does anyone know why debian or linux in general is not getting Path MTU discovery right
19:20<webad_13>an is there a workaround for this
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19:22<nox_>Anyone out there willing to share their knowledge regarding a wireless card issue?
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19:24<webad_13>nox, I'd like to help but is the problem complex - what have u tried so far
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19:25<UnqnownGnome>hi
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19:28<nox_>Hey!
19:28<nox_>Well, essentially I have tried a few approaches over the last few weeks, where should I begin?
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19:29<retrospectacus>nox_: what version of debian? what kernel? what does "lspci -nn" say about the wireless card?
19:32<nox_>2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 23:14:47 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:32<nox_>44:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 [8086:4238] (rev 35)
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19:33<webad_13>well, u could tell me what is wrong with it - is it recognized by ifconfig -a?
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19:34<nox_>wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet
19:34<nox_>It shows up technically
19:34<webad_13>but ifconfig wlan0 up does not bring it up??
19:34<nox_>But, regardless of ethernat cable plugged in, it says "Wireless is disabled"
19:34<nox_>ifconfig wlan0 brings up the info of wlan0
19:35<nox_> BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
19:35<nox_> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
19:35<nox_> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
19:35<nox_> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
19:35<nox_> RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
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19:35<nox_>got kicked oops :)
19:35<webad_13>do u use network manager?
19:36<nox_>yes, NetworkManager Applet 0.8.1
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19:37<webad_13>does your /etc/network/interfaces include line with wlan0
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19:38<ml|>judd: pciid 8086:4238
19:38<judd>[8086:4238] is 'Centrino Ultimate-N 6300' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4238 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
19:38<ml|>nox_: ^
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19:39<retrospectacus>!iwlagn
19:39<dpkg>iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
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19:39<nox_>hmmm my /etc/network/interface
19:39<nox_>doesn't have the line
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19:40<webad_13>well it isn't used if it is managed by network manager
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19:41<nox_>hmmm iwlagn
19:41<nox_>I am a pretty noobie linux user
19:41<nox_>apt-cache search iwlagn
19:41<webad_13>but u could try stopping network manager and adding auto wlan0 and iface wlan0 inet dhcp
19:41<nox_>brings up only firmware-iwlwifi
19:42<nox_>into /etc/network/interface?
19:42<webad_13>to c that ur device is functioning and then ifup eth0
19:42<webad_13>to c that ur device is functioning and then ifup wlan0
19:42<webad_13>sorry
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19:42<webad_13>yes, just as a test, u won't actually configure ur wlan this way
19:43<webad_13>but if it is working properly u will be getting some output
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19:43<nox_>ok I added it properly to /etc/network/interface but how best to stop then start network manager?
19:44<abrotman>!wud
19:44<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
19:44<nox_>/etc/init.d/network-manager stop
19:44<webad_13>sudo kill `pidof NetworkManager`
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19:47<nox_>hmmm
19:47<nox_>how to search in top :P
19:47<webad_13>sudo kill `pidof NetworkManager`
19:47<nox_>I have a very odd knowledge of Linux, so sorry about this
19:47<webad_13>pidof will give u the PID of the process
19:48<nox_>yeah, thing is to identify the PID of th NetwortManager
19:48<nox_>interesting... pidof NetworkManager returns nothing
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19:52<webad_13>and if u use `pidof NetworkManager`
19:52<webad_13>it will execute command inplace
19:52<webad_13>and pass it to kill
19:52<webad_13>so kill `pidof NetworkManager` will kill ur connection
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19:55<josephseraos>Hey I want to configure my wireless device. Who could help me, please?
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19:55<abrotman>is there more information?
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20:44<dfdfx6>hello after todays update (sid)
20:44<dfdfx6>i get a black screen after gdm3 loading
20:45<dfdfx6>i cant do anything (i can't switch to any tty)
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20:50<abrotman>did you check the BTS?
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23:10<dEhiN>hi all
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23:11<dEhiN>when creating a physical volume for lvm using pvcreate, should I type "pvcreate /dev/sdb" or "pvcreate /dev/sdb1"?
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23:27<nevyn>dEhiN: I like pvcreate /dev/md0
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23:28<nevyn>I have partitions on my dedicated MD disks. just cause the tiny bit of space required didn't worry me on a 1tb disk and it makes recovery more obvious
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23:33<dEhiN>but from lvm's pov, what's the difference between pvcreate /dev/sdb and pvcreate /dev/sdb1?
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23:34<XiX>.com
23:34<XiX>h
23:34<XiX>dix
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23:34<XiX>>.>
23:34<XiX>yes hello
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23:35<XiX>DO YOU HAVE DEBIAN?? DO YOU HAVE A NETGEAR ROUTER?? THEN YOU MAY QUALIFY FOR DCC EXPLOIT!
23:35<XiX>???DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
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23:51<nevyn>dEhiN: lvm won't care (there may be impacts if your drives are some of the more evil incarnations of "advanced format" internally.)
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23:52<nevyn>dEhiN: so there might be performance reasons to create a partition rather than use whole disk if the drive internally has 4k sectors and emualates 512byte sectors. and starts with a "real" 512byte sector so that normal partitions are 4k aligned.
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