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00:02<knoppix_>hello room
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00:03<Guest1583>ok thx
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00:04<nevyn>dEhiN: so life is more complicated than it seems at first.
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00:28<aussa>why can't I find programs like firefox or skype in the "software center"?
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00:28<retrospectacus>aussa: because they are not part of debian
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00:29<dEhiN>nevyn: sorry for the late reply, but the disk I'm using is a vdi file = virtual hard disk used by virtual box
00:29<chl501>aussa: in Debian, you can use iceweasel which is similar to firefox, IIRC.
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00:30<nevyn>I wouldn't bother with a partition unless virtualbox needs it to boot.
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00:30<dEhiN>aussa: programs like that don't have the right license to be included in the debian repository so you would have to see if their respective makers create versions for linux
00:30<retrospectacus>iceweasel is identical to firefox btw chl501
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00:30<chl501>retrospectacus: yeah, i remember it seems to be the trade mark issue.
00:30<dEhiN>nevyn: it's my second drive, so I wouldn't be booting from it - using it to create lv's for /usr, /var, and /home
00:31<chl501>thanks for reminding me : )
00:31<retrospectacus>chl501: indeed... you can /msg dpkg why iceweasel and read all about it if you like
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00:32<child>I need usb in virtual machine, I tried to run kvm-usb but it did not work what can I do?
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00:35<EmleyMoor>child: I haven't tried it (yet!) but I think virtualbox may support USB
00:35<dEhiN>child: yes, virtualbox supports usb passthrough
00:36<child>according to the documentation has also kvm
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00:36<EmleyMoor>child: I don't think it works well on kvm
00:37<child>I need to use kvm'm not using virtualbox
00:37<child>got it
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00:38<Silicium01>I am unable to mount blockbuster dvds in squeeze, any tips?
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00:38<child>I never got either, but I'll try. do not want to use another package
00:38<dEhiN>dvds from the company called blockbuster
00:39<EmleyMoor>That's what I thought he meant
00:39<Silicium01>Yes, it's a company that rents dvds
00:39<dEhiN>it's a retail store in the us and canada that rents dvds
00:39<EmleyMoor>(and UK)
00:39<Silicium01>I have libdvdcss package installed
00:39<dEhiN>did not know that
00:40<Silicium01>It's not even opening
00:40<shaggins>I thought they went bankrupt
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00:41<dEhiN>they did in the us I believe, but not in canada, though I'm not sure about the uk
00:41<Silicium01>When I insert those dvds, the drive spins and then wont even eject
00:41<retrospectacus>Silicium01: run dmesg|tail and check for errors. Make a pastebin for us if you like
00:41<EmleyMoor>Certainly still operating in the UX
00:41<dEhiN>Silicium01: just one dvd, or multiple
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00:41<Silicium01>dEhiN, tried several
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00:42<Silicium01>I have to restart the computer to even eject it
00:42<Silicium01>retrospectacus, ok
00:42<dEhiN>EmleyMoor, shaggins: yeah, in all three countries, they are separate entities
00:42<retrospectacus>Silicium01: do "regular" DVDs play normally?
00:42<Silicium01>retrospectacus, Yes
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00:43<aussa>hi, how do I remove software, the "remove" button from the "software center" isn't workin
00:44<retrospectacus>aussa: did you click "Apply"?
00:44<Silicium01>Here's the result
00:45<aussa>there is no "Apply" button, or I just can't find it :S :D xD
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00:46<Silicium01>An this error repeats, I gues it's in a loop
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00:46<Silicium01>I can't eject it now without shutting down the computer, can I run some command?
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00:50<aussa>retrospectacus: there is no "Apply" button, or I just can't find it :S :D xD
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00:55<Silicium01>Does anyone know how to set dvd region codes in squeeze?
00:55<Silicium01>Maybe this is preventing me from viewing blockbuster dvds?
00:56<retrospectacus>sorry fellas, too baked to help. aussa, use aptitude instead, Silicium01 your problem intrigues me but I don't know what you should try. Google?
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00:56<Silicium01>retrospectacus, any idea on region codes?
00:57<retrospectacus>nope sorry]
00:57<jm_>why do you care about region codes? why not use software that can decrypt your movies?
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00:59<dEhiN>jm_: if regular movies (assuming from the same region as these blockbuster ones) can play, then his software can obviously decrypt the movies
00:59<Silicium01>jm_, I though this was the problem
00:59<Silicium01>I dont care, I just dont know what to do to fix this
00:59<dEhiN>and even if it is software based, then just the software wouldn't play, but there's no reason his drive would keep spinning and not allow him to eject the dvd
01:00<Silicium01>jm_, when I insert dvd into drive it loops and does not work, also cant eject it
01:00<dEhiN>Silicium01: it seems like it's a os/hardware issue, not a software one
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01:00<dEhiN>Silicium01: where are you located? North America, Europe...?
01:00<Silicium01>dEhiN, Canada
01:01<Silicium01>So I guess region codes have nothing to do with this?
01:01<dEhiN>not if your regular movies (non-blockbuster) are from the same region
01:01<Silicium01>dEhiN, I have not tried regular movies, just my own dvds tht I burned
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01:02<dEhiN>ok, but you burned them setting the region code to North America right?
01:02<jm_>Silicium01: try the regionset tool
01:02<Silicium01>I have to restart the computer to eject it to use regionset, brb guys
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01:08<Silicium01>user controlled changes resets available: 4
01:08<Silicium01>drive plays discs from region(s): 1, mask=0xFE
01:08<Silicium01>this is what I get
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01:22<pedxing>hi, anyone out there?
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01:23<dEhiN>just ask your question
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01:26<quietone>hi newbie here, just installed and trying to get myself into /etc/sudoers. visudo gives the following error -> visudo: specified editor (emacs) doesn't exist!
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01:27<pedxing>I have no question just lurking
01:27<dEhiN>pedxing: sorry, didn't mean to be harsh :)
01:28<dEhiN>quietone: visudo I guess uses emacs by default...apt-get install emacs
01:28<pedxing>no prob.. seems like you are tired of lame questions
01:28<jm_>quietone: so set EDITOR to the editor that exists
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01:35<pedxing>how do I recompile the kernal?
01:35<quietone>then why does /etc/sudoers include "This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root."
01:36<jm_>because visudo locks the file, runs a syntax check ...
01:36<dEhiN>pedxing: haven't tried it myself, but I supposed you'd have to download the src first and the various compilers and programs like gcc, make, etc.
01:36<jm_>pedxing: you probably shouldn't if you are asking this
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01:40<pedxing>jm_: I'm curious as to what kind of workflow a linux developer would use
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01:42<jm_>pedxing: get the source, unpack it, configure the kernel, build it, install it
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01:44<aussa>when I try to remove some software, it says that "gnome" will be remove also, is that correct?
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01:45<pedxing>jm_: thanks.. could you elaborate on the build and/or install
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01:46<jm_>aussa: why do you think it would lie to you?
01:46<dEhiN>aussa: depends on the software, what are you trying to remove?
01:47<jm_>pedxing: for build it's simple: make; for install: I copy the kernel image/ manually, and do make modules_install, but you can also use make-kpkg to build a .deb
01:47<quietone>jm_, thank you.
01:48<jm_>quietone: you will often find useful comments in the man pages, do you know about them?
01:48<aussa>jm_: hahahaa.... I mean, should I say yes and nothing will happen with my desktop?
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01:49<jm_>aussa: gnome is just a meta-package, so it can safely be removed, but if individual packages are removed, and you need them, then I guess not
01:49<dEhiN>aussa: probably not, if you're using gnome for your desktop then you'll lose your dekstop
01:50<jm_>to clarify: the gnome package alone is safe to remove, but if there's a huge list of other package then this is probably nto what you want
01:50<quietone>yes I do. in this case I was simply following as System->Admin->User-Groups doesn't seem to work (for me)
01:51<aussa>ok, I'm gonna leave it as it is, maybe I will live without removing the one I want to remove
01:52<jm_>what does System->Admin->User-Groups do?
01:52<aussa>another question, what is insmod? I'm supposed to check for its version but I suppose it isn't installed
01:53<jm_>insmod is deprecated, you should use modprobe only
01:53<jm_>it is used to load kernel modules
01:54<pedxing>jm_: thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I'm gonna go play around and see if I can get some sauce to compile
01:54<Hydroxide>jm_: deprecated, or just rarely the right tool to use?
01:55<Hydroxide>s/use/use directly/
01:55<Hydroxide>(modprobe calls it IIRC)
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01:55<aussa>jm_: mmm.... I'm trying to install nvidia drivers, and the "README" says I must have install.... :S
01:55<jm_>Hydroxide: yes, I guess that's the correct way to put it - should only be used internally by modprobe
01:56<jm_>aussa: are you using Debian?
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01:56<aussa>jm_: yes
01:56<jm_>aussa: why not do it the debian way?
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01:57<aussa>jm_: I was aiming to have the drivers latest version, but if you say it's easier, then I'll do it that way
01:58<jm_>aussa: ok, with debian stable you won't have the latest version
01:58<jm_>but it should be trivial to backport them with testing
01:58<jm_>or even directly install them from experimental
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01:59<aussa>question, at the time when Debian releases the latest version, is it the same easy process to update if I install it now? or should I wait?
02:00<jm_>what do you mean?
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02:03<aussa>never mind, I'm gonna install it the debian way
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02:05<aussa>thank you
02:06<jm_>that's recommended due to upgrades and so on
02:06<jm_>it's usually simple to backport too, but I think current latest versions require more effort
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02:07<aussa>ok, ty, bye
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02:11<Hydroxide>jm_: I've had to use it in a modprobe.d file to in special cases, and once recently when I compiled an out-of-tree module that I wasn't sure I wanted to install ... anyway, just nitpicking
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02:37<mehdi_>hey guys how can i mount a made dir in media?
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02:39<th>mount a dir in another dir?
02:40<dEhiN>if I want to copy the contents of /var to /var2 (/var2 is on another disk and will eventually become /var, while my current /var is on the same disk as /), would rsync -a work fine?
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02:41<dEhiN>or should I add -HAX to the rsync command?
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02:42<Blackleo_handy>Moin strato
02:42<th>since my var can function without ACL and/or xattr
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02:43<th>i think you can omit -AX
02:43<dEhiN>ok so rsync -aH <src> <dest>
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02:43<th>-r too
02:44<dEhiN>-a implies -r
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02:44<dEhiN>now that it's done, should I delete /var? or if I just change /etc/fstab to mount the second disk as /var and reboot, should that be enough?
02:45<th>don't delete the old var, just add a new entry for /var in the new disk in fstab
02:45<th>if nothing bad happens, it should be safe to delete the old /var
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02:46<th>but you may need to boot from another system like usb/cd/dvd to access the old var
02:47<dEhiN>if I don't delete the old /var and just stay with the new disk mounted on /var, it shouldn't make a difference right?
02:47<dEhiN>I guess the only issue might be whatever space /var is using up right now on disk 1
02:47<alexander>i recently downloaded and installed debian "wheezy" supposed to be the latest unstable version but every package is old (e.g. kernel .32). what should i do?
02:47<th>yes, just the space
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02:48<dEhiN>what do you mean old? old as in version number?
02:48<alexander>dEhiN : yes
02:48<dEhiN>th: what does NAK mean?
02:49<dEhiN>alexander: it shouldn't be the case...what are you comparing the version in wheezy to?
02:49<th>Not AcKnowledged, perhaps
02:49<dEhiN>because I just got a NAK error on my command line
02:50<alexander>dEhiN : a friend told me that wheezy is the latest unstable version which i finally wnat to have
02:50<jm_>judd kernels
02:50<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
02:50<jm_>wheezy is testing, not unstable
02:51<jm_>so it looks like kernel on CD is old, update it from a debian mirror
02:51<alexander>jm_ not only the kernel but FF as well + gnome etc
02:52<dEhiN>yeah th, the error I just got is "[ 913.765013] atkbd.c: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly."
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02:52<dEhiN>alexander: that's not a problem, if you're using CDs to install, install your system, edit your apt sources list to get the unstable (sid?) repo, and udate
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02:53<jm_>alexander: iceweasel 4.0 is only available from a separate repository for wheezy
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02:53<th>dEhiN, pardon, that's beyond what i can grasp
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02:54<dEhiN>th: ok, thanks anyway :)
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02:58<alexander>dEhiN : can you tell me the repo?
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03:00<dEhiN>it should probably be the same as the stable repo(s), but just change stable with unstable
03:01<dEhiN>view your /etc/apt/sources.list and tell me what you have
03:01<th>alexander, this is my /etc/apt/sources.list content:
03:02<th>i'm using debian testing (wheezy)
03:03<dEhiN>th, did you use pastebinit to paste to I've been wondering whether I should have my pastebinit paste to one other than
03:03<alexander>th : can i use it as it is? just change the server which suits me best?
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03:03<dEhiN>alexander: if you just want unstable, don't add the experimental lines
03:03<th>dEhiN, i manually paste it through the web browser
03:03<dEhiN>apart from that yes
03:04<dEhiN>th: ok
03:04<alexander>yes i won't pase the experimental one
03:04<th>alexander, yes, you can just use it as it is. change the server later if it's slow
03:05<dEhiN>th: why do you have the unstable & the testing packages? wouldn't just having the unstable be enough?
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03:05<ml|>one should not just change their sources.list without understanding what they are doing first; there is a reason why testing is called that; same for unstable
03:06<th>i'm using testing now, wheezy, not sid. i have a few packages from sid installed
03:06<dEhiN>I see
03:06<th>as ml| said, stable is the best
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03:16<alexander>dEhiN , th thank you very much
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03:49<k-man_>hi seacole
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03:50<seacole>i am a newbie to irc but what is squeeze about
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03:51<mosno>seacole: read the debian website
03:52<seacole>thanks mosno
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03:56<seacole>squeeze is the name of the latest debian release
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04:00<seacole>i am downloading the latest debian release to test
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04:07<arand>seanius: If that was a question squeeze is indeed the lattest stable release.
04:07<seanius>arand: meh?
04:08<arand>Oh, I just saw the last two lines, and though it was a question, sorry.
04:09<jm_>it was from seacole, not from seanius
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04:11<arand>Oh, crud >_<
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04:13<set>I don tknow whi the subdirectores into /etc/logwatch are empty? and dont have config file of this service?? I think I instaled it correcly aptitude install logwatch... so why they are empty?
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04:14<gsimmons>dpkg: logwatch
04:14<dpkg>Logwatch is a modular log analyser, which runs via cron each day, parses _yesterday_'s log files by default and returns summarised log output by service. Empty /etc/logwatch/* directories are intentional, see /usr/share/doc/logwatch/HOWTO-Customize-LogWatch.gz.
04:14<set>ok im going into web:)
04:14<jm_>set: you can also find this explained in README.Debian
04:15<set>ok will read
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04:15<mawes>anyone else has problems with today? updates hang at 75% trying to connect to this server here
04:16<jm_>mawes: is not just one server
04:18<Gerowen>mawes: Not having any issues doing an apt-get update today, but I installed all the upgrades yesterday so I can't test actual downloads.
04:18<mawes>ok, thx
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04:21<trackerx90>hi everyone
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04:21<trackerx90>dose someone have idea about install only kernel on x86 machine?
04:21<nevyn>trackerx90: huh?
04:21<trackerx90>i don't need to install gui
04:22<nevyn>right so a console install
04:22<nevyn>that makes much more sense.
04:22<nevyn>a kernel only install wouldn't be very useful
04:23<nevyn>unless your hex is exceptional.
04:23<xbytemx_>trackerx90 you want a base-install without a the kde/gnome/xfce environment?
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04:25<xbytemx_>trackerx90 the debian-installer let you do that, when you select via tasksel the metapackage you want to install(like mail server, etc)
04:26<ml|>trackerx90: /msg dpkg netinst ; that would do a base/minimal install and you can build from there
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04:26<xbytemx_>trackerx90 in your case, select only system-base or something like that
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04:27<trackerx90>I would try it
04:27<trackerx90>thx everyone :)
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04:46<sml>ciao peeps
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04:53<sml>no one about?
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04:54<vook>what's on your mind sml ?
04:54<sml>vook: not much
04:54<sml>well, coffee to be precise
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04:57<set>If I would like to have logs from logwatch and must have postfix (postfix cant be witch exim or sendmail becouse if want add exim or sendmaila system want uinstall postfix) where I must change configuratio? The path of config logwatch to use postfix as MTA or in postfix config files that postfix must send logwatch's reports by postfix?
04:57<set>I hope you understand what I try to say :)
04:58<set>logowatch have pathc in config : mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"
04:59<set>should change it on : mailer = "/usr/sbin/postfix -t" and thats all?
04:59<petemc>i cant really parse your question, but both exim and postfix are sendmail compatible
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05:00<petemc> ls -la /usr/sbin/sendmail
05:00<petemc>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Mar 18 11:05 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4
05:00<set>when i have postfix and try add sendmail od exim system want uninstall postfix... when i have exim or sendmail and wand install postrfix system want uinstall sendmail and exim
05:00<jm_>set: this is normal
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05:02<set>but i must to have on servre the postfix becouse on old serwer i have postfix and a lot of services linked to postfix and must to have logwatch but dont know howto config it ... I would like thah logwatch send reports by postfix if i cant have postfix and for example sendmail together
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05:05<jm_>postfix provides /usr/lib/sendmail so you can specify that
05:05<jm_>it also provides /usr/sbin/sendmail
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05:05<jm_>so you shouldn't need to change anything
05:05<mutante>Debian 6.0.1, Iceweasel 3.5.16, Adobe Flashplugin | After watching a Youtube video and closing the tab, i keep seeing the last frame of the video in my background. when locking my screen, and the screen turns black, it can also be seen
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05:06<mutante>so i am even leaking what i was watching when i am not at my workstation :p
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05:07<set>jm_: so install postfix install logwatch and thahts all? logwatch will be send report by postfix? but what about patch in config logwatch mailer=/usr/bin/sendmail -t ?
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05:08<set>i understand... must change int on /usr/bin/postfix :)
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05:09<jm_>set: no, you don't need to change it, postfix also provides /usr/sbin/sendmail
05:13<vook>mutante: This is unsupported in this channel - but in my experience the best flash performance in linux is experienced using Google Chrome.
05:14<vook>mutante: further - see #ubuntu on
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05:14<jm_>mutante: sounds like a video driver issue
05:15<vook>mutante: that is if you are using it (0hardy1).
05:15<set>jm_: want to show you somethinks... know debians site to put code and generate link on irc?
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05:16<jm_>set: /msg dpkg paste willt ell you about it
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05:18<mutante>vook: No, i use Debian, that is just the name of the Adobe package i got
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05:19<mutante>jm_: probably, yea, nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2)
05:19<jm_>mutante: are you using nvidia driver?
05:19<vook>mutante: I think there is a tar.bz2 package for flash available - it's not a good idea to use packages for a difference distro
05:20<fralle>somebody used debian+eclipse+arm-none-linux-gnueabi-?
05:20<fralle>cannot create shared librarys from eclipse... strange...
05:20<mutante>jm_: yes, lsmod shows "nvidia" module being loaded
05:20<set>jm_: i check theh some have on /usr/share/postfix. Should copy it to /etc/postfix ??
05:21<mutante>vook: true, i might try the .tar.gz
05:21<jm_>mutante: maybe try a newer version - I also use nvidia driver but haven't seen this issue so far
05:21<mutante>jm_: ok, thanks
05:21<jm_>set: what does /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian say about configuring it?
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05:22<jm_>mutante: which version is it?
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05:23<jm_>set: ok this shows how to configure it
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05:23<jm_>I will be away for a while
05:23<set>jm_: Im reading it now.. thanks
05:25<mutante>jm_: hmm, "vermagic" from "modinfo nvidia"? 2.6.32-5-686 SMP mod_unload modversions 686
05:25<sml>Does Debian come with any FTP server that supports the ability to have some kind of failover? i.e. to fall back to another server in the case of outage?
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05:29<ComradeHaz`>Hey all, can someone tell me a bit more about "iEXT3-fs: barriers not enabled" (from syslog) . I have looked at the section 'No checksumming in journal' on but that's not really left me much the wiser. All my disks are in a RAID on which I have an LVM config....
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05:32<sml>ComradeHaz`: What is the output of : grep 'barrier' /etc/fstab ?
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05:33<ComradeHaz`>Well, nothing. :)
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05:33<sml>ComradeHaz`: well in that case...
05:33<ComradeHaz`>Can you elaborate a bit on 'lol'?
05:34<daemonkeeper>Please not
05:34<ComradeHaz`>Please no what?
05:34<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
05:35<ComradeHaz`>Well, indeed.
05:35<sml>ComradeHaz`: According to the docs you're supposed to enable barriers as a mount option when using ext3. Coz ext3 doesn't do checksumming when writing the journal. Not enabling it means you're liable to severe corruption if the hardware is doing things out of order; as it may well be if you're using RAID
05:35<ComradeHaz`>But I'm using lvm
05:36<ComradeHaz`>As I understand it lvm doesn't support barriers
05:36<kooll>well, lvm ahs had some barrier support added, but it's not exactly useful yet
05:37<ComradeHaz`>so what should one do?
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05:37<kooll>avoid lvm. oh, and stop having illusions about data integrity, and start making lots of backups
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05:38<sml>ComradeHaz`: I think LVM may do weird shit with the ordering. I've always had more trouble than it's worth with LVM. I avoid it.
05:38<ComradeHaz`>kooll: avoiding lvm is a ludicrous suggestion. Further I have no illusions, my stuff is backup up mostly in triplicate.
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05:41<kooll>oh, and most of the barrier support in lvm arrived in 2.6.33 . so at minimum, you need to find if those patches are in your kernel, which is unlikely if you use debian stock kernel
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05:41<ComradeHaz`>Linux Hades 2.6.38-2-amd64
05:41<ComradeHaz`>rebooted yesterday
05:42<ComradeHaz`>probably why these messages started appering then
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05:42<ComradeHaz`>It'll be on the latest kernel now
05:42<sml>ComradeHaz`: write barriers are disabled by default because of the performance overhead. yet if you choose to not enable them, you are liable to data corruption. Some distros have barrier=1 by default, but most don't.
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05:43<ComradeHaz`>So you think I should enable them even though my volumes are lv's?
05:43<sml>I would
05:44<sml>you are already going to get a performance hit with LVM and RAID, I guess performance isn't really your main priority with your setup?
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05:48<sml>I've never found LVM to be that much more convenient than not using it. So it's never been worthwhile for me. Whenever I've needed to extend or reduce a volume, that volume is always one that disrupts the system whilst I unmount it.
05:48<ComradeHaz`>should I just wait for reboot for these to be applied or can I force the application of these options now?
05:48<sml>think you can just issue a remount and specifiy -o barrier=1
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05:51<sml>coffee o'clock
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05:55<jm_>mutante: no, grep 'NVIDIA dll' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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06:13<guillaume>Anyone knows if you can specify (like -t option on aptitude) to module-assistant another version of the module that we want get
06:15<mutante>jm_: (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 260.19.36 Tue Jan 18 17:12:14 PST 2011
06:15<jm_>mutante: that's fairly new
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06:15<guillaume>For example, I want to get the module iscsitarget from wheezy version, but I'm under squeeze
06:15<jm_>guillaume: you can download the source pkg yourself and build it
06:15<jm_>it will obviously replace your current version
06:16<guillaume>build with module-assitant ?
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06:19<sml>Anyone here use ESXi to host Debian ?
06:20<guillaume>jm_: Okay thxs for your help :) I got the .deb package from aptitude download
06:20<guillaume>jm_: How can I build the module with module-assistant ?
06:20<jm_>guillaume: did you install it?
06:21<guillaume>with the following command : "m-a install my_pkg" ?
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06:22<guillaume>jm_: because It doesn't work
06:23<jm_>guillaume: no, dpkg -i file.deb
06:24<guillaume>jm_: yep it's done now
06:24<jm_>guillaume: now try and build it with m-a
06:25<guillaume>m-a build iscsitarget-source failed..
06:25<guillaume>how can i check, m-a uses the rigth source ?
06:27<guillaume>okay it's the right source
06:27<jm_>you can find build logs in /var/cache/modass
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06:28<guillaume>yep, function uses but no declare ... smell like bug report
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06:29<jm_>well don't send a bug report if you're using say a very new moduel source with an old kernel
06:30<guillaume>jm_: okay, I'm using the 2.6.38-2 kernel compiled with drbd and grsec on squeeze debian version
06:30<guillaume>maybe that is why it's failed
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06:30<jm_>guillaume: ahh yes, that's likely too old for 2.6.38
06:31<guillaume>yep, that why I get the wheezy version
06:31<guillaume>I will try with the Sid version maybe..
06:31<jm_>did you check grsecurity web page?
06:31<guillaume>no Indeed.
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06:32<guillaume>About the module I want to install ?
06:32<jm_>ahh no, I misunderstood - this must be some other m-a module, right?
06:33<guillaume>Yes, problem with iscsitarget module
06:33<jm_>ok so you need to find which version of that can be used with 2.6.38
06:33<guillaume>yep ^^
06:33<guillaume>I try wheezy version, because the linux-image is 2.6.38-2
06:33<guillaume>I tried*
06:33<guillaume>but failed
06:35<guillaume>Sid and Wheezy, same version of the source packet...
06:35<jm_>perhaps check BTS for it
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06:36<guillaume>same problem on Sid machine...
06:36<guillaume>(my desktop)
06:36<guillaume>May a bug report could be good ?
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06:37<jm_>no need
06:38<guillaume>oh yeah, thx's a lot :)
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06:39<jm_>there's also -dkms package for it - I nowadays use -dkms packages where they are available
06:40<guillaume>what's different between source and dkms ?
06:40<jm_>-source is for m-a, -dkms is for dkms
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06:41<guillaume>and dkms > m-a +
06:41<jm_>you'll have to verify that
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06:43<guillaume>dkms seems to make coffee :)
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06:44<guillaume>jm_: Thx's a lot for your help and your time :)
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06:45<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: LVM doesn't support write barriers I think I read on LWN that there was some effort on fixing it recently tho
06:45<ComradeHaz`>That was my impression
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06:47<jm_>guillaume: no worries
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06:57<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: I'm not sure that md does either actually
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07:02<ComradeHaz`>It surre would be nice to find someone who does!
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07:03<nevyn>you understand write barriers are a performance optimisation right?
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07:04<ComradeHaz`>I understood them to be more a data integrity thing than a perfomance optimization
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07:05<nevyn>they're a performance thing.
07:05<ComradeHaz`>Are you sure?
07:05<ComradeHaz`>Because if you read what the guys earlier said
07:06<ComradeHaz`>and the content of the wiki page I posted
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07:06<ComradeHaz`>thy all suggest otherwise
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07:08<nevyn>write barriers are a mechinism for the os to order physical block writes and prevent the block elevator or the disk from writing in a different order.
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07:09<ComradeHaz`>Presumably so the OS can prioritise important stuff
07:09<nevyn>this improves throughput by reducing the requirement to flush caches.
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07:10<nevyn>so when you have journal=ordered barriers can be used to ensure metadata hits disk before the actual data
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07:10<nevyn>but in the absence of barriers the os does a sync to disk before the data write.
07:11<nevyn>this is slower. and lower throughput.
07:11<nevyn>but still safe.
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07:11<ComradeHaz`>OH right
07:11<ComradeHaz`>So I should just ignore teh warnings being spammed to my syslog?
07:12<ComradeHaz`>EXT3-fs: barriers not enabled
07:12<nevyn>right that's ok.
07:12<ComradeHaz`>Annoying though
07:12<nevyn>the filesystem know that there's no barriers on the underlying device (LVM) and will do the right stuff.
07:12<ComradeHaz`>logcheck delivers one of them to me most hours :)
07:13<ComradeHaz`>Ah, OK
07:13<ComradeHaz`>Thanks for that :)
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07:14<nevyn>some people do appear to be full of stuff good for gardens tho. IMEO
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07:14<ComradeHaz`>as a slight aside, you know the backup file that is (optionally) created at the start of a RAID reshape, is that discarded by the process when it's finished with and then not needed for the rest of the reshape?
07:15<nevyn>check the manual?
07:15<ComradeHaz`>I ask as I specified a backup file, it said it created one, but it's not there now and I kinda want to do stuff with the disk in question now.
07:15<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, it's not explicit
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07:16<nevyn>is the raid still re-shaping?
07:17<ComradeHaz`>Will be for quite some time yet xD
07:17<ComradeHaz`>[=>...................] reshape = 6.7% (99581440/1465095680) finish=1788.7min speed=12722K/sec
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07:18*ComradeHaz` wonders if that's Kb or KB /s
07:18<nevyn>md0 : active raid5 sda[3](F) sdd[0] sde[1] 1953521664 blocks level 5, 2048k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
07:19<nevyn>Kibibytes I think
07:19<ComradeHaz`>I think that makes mine bigger than yours :P
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07:20<ComradeHaz`>Never a bad time for a cock-off!
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07:21<ComradeHaz`>12MB per sec is actually quite a depressing resync speed
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07:22<ComradeHaz`>suppose there is quite a bit to do
07:22<nevyn>umm actually... mine's bigger ;)
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07:22<nevyn>2TiB usable. 3TiB native
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07:23<nevyn>it's my mythtv spool
07:24<ComradeHaz`> Array Size : 5860382720 (5588.90 GiB 6001.03 GB)
07:24<nevyn>heh the lv is called "my_what_a_great_big_f#@!ing_disk_oh_lord) :)
07:25<ComradeHaz`>As is mine :)
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07:25<nevyn>bleh VG rather
07:25<ComradeHaz`>hehe, vg00 actually
07:25<nevyn>mine really is called that
07:26<ComradeHaz`>I did the most stupid thing though
07:26<ComradeHaz`>at some point in the past I had not fully regrown my my vg
07:27<ComradeHaz`>so I bought a new drive yesterday, and when I started messing about, I realised I had 1.5T of capacity I wasn't using
07:27<ComradeHaz`>so just gonna mark the new 2T disk as a spare for now xD
07:27<ComradeHaz`>Epic Fail :)
07:29<nevyn>hrm regrown the pv?
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07:31<ComradeHaz`>vg, you mean?
07:31<ComradeHaz`>or lv?
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07:35<set>can you tell me why test of telnet with postfix dont past? I installed postfix, openssl, and write as in turials
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07:37<SynrG>set: uh, what were you waiting for there?
07:38<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: add the disk reshape the raid; pvresize;
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07:38<SynrG>after the banner, it just waits for input
07:38<SynrG>helo localhost
07:39<set>SynrG: I said thet after "telnet localhost 25" proces hang up and can wait all the time... must kill it by ctrl+c
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07:40<SynrG>set: but it shows a banner. that looks like it's operating normally. did you type anything else after that point?
07:40<SynrG>like the "helo" command i suggested?
07:42<SynrG>also, the word "quit" should tell it you're done, and it should respond with a "221 2.0.0 Bye" and exit
07:43<SynrG>failing that, ctrl-] (you may have to press enter after that) should drop you back to a telnet> prompt where you can type "quit". if it really is stuck and won't accept input, you have a problem. but what you pasted looks pefectly normal to me.
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07:45<jm_>set: the debian postfix wiki page has a list of commands(text) you need to type to emulate sending mail via telnet
07:45<set>ok will read it now
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07:47<set>SynrG: no i dont do anythink after create only " check postfix" and "newaliases"
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07:49<SynrG>set: i'm not talking about your config.
07:50<SynrG>set: i'm talking about the telnet session
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07:50<set>I put and tlenet localhost 25 command and saw what send you in link... proces is hang up
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07:54<set>jm_: I removet postfix with purge... and install again... and make command from web from you... point to point... and when make telnet test have the same info as i paste you in link
07:55<set>I must created empty becouse when instaleld again postfix i havent I created it becouse i couldnt make first command of postconf :/
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07:57<SynrG>set: clarify "hang up". what did you do next? what did you expect to happen next?
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07:58<set>SynrG: wait a second... this info is correct? :) oh im connected and must put the other commands of telnet?? :D ....i see :)
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07:59<SynrG>so, try what the wiki page says to try.
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08:00<SynrG>you should be able to send yourself a message with the right commands in the telnet session, and then at the end, "quit" to terminate it.
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08:10<ComradeHaz`>Oh, sorry nevyn, I missunderstood what you meant.
08:11<ComradeHaz`>No, not yet. I was going to wait until the reshape had completed
08:11<ComradeHaz`>I don't actually have to, do I?
08:13<nevyn>you do to get the space it's reshaping to.
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08:14<nevyn>the extra capacity isn't availible until the reshape finishes.
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08:14<nevyn>but if you have expanded the md previously. and not resized the pv then you can run it now.
08:14<nevyn>if that makes sense
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08:19<ComradeHaz`>not really, to be honest xD
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08:28<nevyn>so when you grow the raid.
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08:29<nevyn>the new capacity you're adding. isn't availible until the grow of the raid completes.
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08:30<ComradeHaz`>Is there more? That seems kinda obvious.
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08:30<maurofidi>hello. i have debian sid and today i cant login , yesterday i upgrade some packages (i still have 139 that i can't upgrade because i need to remove 19 packages). after apache and gdm loaded i get a black screen and i can't swtich to any console.
08:30<nevyn>right so I don't know what state you're in
08:31<nevyn>if you've previously expanded the md (the extra 1.5tb you spoke of) or not
08:31<maurofidi>if i choose recovery from grub menu i can go in maintenance mode. but after i close it i still have the same problem but i can switch to console
08:31<ComradeHaz`>not done anything to my lv's (orvg's etc etc) just issued the grow command to mdadm
08:31<maurofidi>how do i start
08:31<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: ok.
08:32<maurofidi>to find out what happened? (i get no failed messages during boot - only an ntpd failed error)
08:32<ComradeHaz`>vg was using all available space before I issued raid grow
08:32<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: right. that's what I didn't know.
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08:33<ComradeHaz`>It was yesterday too, it was lv and filesystems I hadn't expanded
08:33<nevyn>but it's "free" in the VG?
08:33<nevyn>what filesystem are you using?
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08:34<ComradeHaz`>-[:(] % sudo vgdisplay | grep Size
08:34<ComradeHaz`> VG Size 5.46 TiB
08:34<ComradeHaz`> PE Size 4.00 MiB
08:34<ComradeHaz`> Alloc PE / Size 1388140 / 5.30 TiB
08:34<ComradeHaz`> Free PE / Size 42617 / 166.47 GiB
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08:34<nevyn>so if you run "vgs" you'll see if there are free extents.
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08:34<nevyn>yeah that was a bad move.
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08:35<ComradeHaz`>Did't copy properly
08:35<ComradeHaz`>was too quick with ctrl+v <enter>
08:35<ComradeHaz`>didn't actually want to past that
08:35<ComradeHaz`>vgdisplay: Free PE / Size 42617 / 166.47 GiB
08:36<nevyn>can you show me the output of vgs ?
08:36<ComradeHaz`>vg00 1 9 0 wz--n- 5.46t 166.47g
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08:37<nevyn>ok so you have a bit of space in the vg.
08:37<ComradeHaz`>Only because I was being a bit lazy :)
08:38<nevyn>so nifty tricks with disk
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08:39<nevyn>lvextend -L +50GB /dev/vg00/somelv
08:39<nevyn>then resize2fs /dev/vg00/somelv
08:40<ComradeHaz`>can I make it use all available space?
08:41<nevyn>the remaining 166.47gb?
08:41<nevyn>you can add it to an lv sure.
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08:42<ComradeHaz`>but only by specifying 'lvextend -L +166.47GB /dev/vg00/somelv'?
08:42<nevyn>I'd be inclined to do that by extents.
08:42<nevyn>so in vgdisplay see the number of free extents
08:43<nevyn>lvextend -l +(numberoffreeextents) /dev/vg00/lvtoextend
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08:43<ComradeHaz`>might just leave a few gig free :)
08:44<nevyn>well you'll have plenty once the reshape finishes.
08:44<nevyn>the + is important.
08:44<guillaume>100%FREE, is not a valid macro for extend ?
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08:45<nevyn>lvm takes macro's ??? that's useful to know.
08:45<ComradeHaz`>guillaume: I was just looking into that
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08:45<nevyn>yeah it does that's awesome.
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08:46*nevyn learns useful stuff.
08:46<nevyn>but I'm way too much of a control freak to allocate disk by %
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08:47<ComradeHaz`>just issued: sudo lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/vg00/backup
08:48<ComradeHaz`>It's thinking about it xD
08:49<ComradeHaz`>Not yet
08:50<ComradeHaz`>Guess the drives are a bit busy xD
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08:59<ComradeHaz`>It's still going.... :S
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09:14<ComradeHaz`>nevyn: it seems my extend has hung :(
09:15<ComradeHaz`>I am Sad.
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09:15<nevyn>relax ... given 100%FREE it might take a while.
09:15<nevyn>also given everything else going on.
09:15<ComradeHaz`>only 116G
09:16<ComradeHaz`>Other thing that's odd is it reports no stale PE's
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09:52<macsim>hi, I'm unable to found bmpx from testing repo has it been removed ? thx
09:52<gsimmons>dpkg: bmp
09:52<dpkg>[bmp] Beep Media Player was an audio player based on <xmms>. It was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #422681. Its successor, Beep Media Player eXperimental (bmpx), was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #517588. Ask me about <audacious>.
09:52<macsim>thanks anyway
09:54<sml>I have a server and I'd like to have an exact clone so that in the case of a problem, I can just make a DNS change and be back up and running again. Is there any tool I can use that can help ?
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09:54<nevyn>sml: a livecd and rsync?
09:55<ComradeHaz`>I think he means mirrored machine
09:55<ComradeHaz`>but then how often do you mirror/
09:55<sml>I'd like a mirrored machine if poss
09:55<ComradeHaz`>too frequently you end up with the sme problems on both machines
09:55<sml>really I need to make sure user accounts etc are sync'd across
09:55<mercutio22>against wich package should a file a bug against which is causing this?
09:55<sml>it's only an FTP server
09:56<ComradeHaz`>which is basiclaly all good backups and a mirrored RAID are?!
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09:56<mercutio22>that grammar came out weid
09:56<mercutio22>but you know what I mean
09:56<ComradeHaz`>backups in case of accidental deletion, raid in case of hardware failure
09:57<nevyn>mercutio22: what's your x11 colordepth?
09:57<ComradeHaz`>and if you're worried about other hardware failure, have a second machine sat there with no hdd's in ready to pull all the hdd's out of their sliders and stick into the other box
09:57<mercutio22>nevyn: dunno. How to findout?
09:57<sml>nevyn: what's the livecd for? I need to be able to add user accounts so can't have a read-only system
09:58<ComradeHaz`>he thought you just meant ghost it now
09:58<sml>ComradeHaz`: the machine is in a data centre. i have no physical access to it
09:58<mercutio22>nevyn: 24
09:58<nevyn>no I ment ghost it continuosuly
09:58<nevyn>pull the old box and reboot and bam.
09:58<sml>ComradeHaz`: so pulling anything out aint gonna work
09:58<jhutchins_lt>sml: That can be done pretty easily if all changes are made in a database like drupal or something.
09:58<mercutio22>nevyn: according to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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09:58<nevyn>mercutio22: ask xdpyinfo
09:58<ComradeHaz`>I see your predicament, sml
09:59<sml>jhutchins_lt: ta. I shall look into drupal.
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09:59<nevyn>sml: so you could use a remote block device exported from the spare as a md1 raid member.
09:59*ComradeHaz` is starting to worry about how long his lvextend is taking
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10:01<sml>jhutchins_lt: isn't drupal a CMS ?
10:01<jhutchins_lt>sml: Yes, the one the U.S. White House uses.
10:02<nevyn>some consider drupal more a framework than a CMS but that's a reasonably bogus distinction imho
10:02<sml>jhutchins_lt: On the about page it says "build .. websites in a matter of hours". How do I use drupal to clone a machine? I must be missing something
10:03<jhutchins_lt>sml: Because all of the content is stored in an sql database, and because the database can be replicated in near real time, it makes a good solution for mirroring.
10:03<nevyn>hrm that's bizzare.
10:03<nevyn>oh you grep'd
10:04<nevyn>ok. that makes more sense
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10:06<mercutio22>nevyn: was that informative?
10:07<sml>jhutchins_lt: for mirroring of the entire box?
10:08<sml>of course if there is an FTP server for Debian that supports clustering or load balancing or something, I may be better off doing that.
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10:09<jhutchins_lt>sml: No, you're not paying attention. If you keep the changes confined within a cms that stores everything in an sql server that does mirroring, you have a minimum of manual overhead to try to keep up with.
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10:09<jhutchins_lt>sml: If not, you're going to have to come up with some scheme to periodically mirror the changes with rsync or something.
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10:10<jhutchins_lt>sml: You haven't said anything about what kind of content you intend to host, or what services you'll be running.
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10:16<ComradeHaz`>Can anyone give any indication of how long it should take to extend a logical volume by a hundred or so gigs on a system currently resynching an array?
10:16<nevyn>mercutio22: what videocard are you using and what driver?
10:16<sml>jhutchins_lt: I understand the point of keeping it all in one system. Fewer "glue" scripts or manual processes. Specifically I have an FTP server and if it goes down I want people to be able to login to a clone of it that I can get up quickly. I guess all I need to keep in sync is the config file for the FTP server, user accounts and groups, and home directories.
10:16<ComradeHaz`>Further, can I see if the lvextend process is actually running or if it's crashed
10:17<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Hours.
10:18<ComradeHaz`>OK, maybe I should quit worrying then!
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10:18<ComradeHaz`>I thought that would be quick
10:18<mercutio22>nevyn: nvidia gtx 470. Drivers version 260.19.44
10:18<mercutio22>debain testing
10:18<kop>sml: I like using rsync for mirroring, but you meed to make other arrangements to copy database content. You could also look at doing a real cluster with drdb and heartbeat/etc.
10:18<sml>ComradeHaz`: probably shoulda run it before bed time ;-)
10:19<ComradeHaz`>sml, lol. Yeah, wouldn't have the pain of worrying then!
10:20<kop>ComradeHaz`: Depends on how fast your drives/bus are. With typical hardware the answer is always not fast enough.
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10:20<ComradeHaz`>Hehe kop. Not very. Only a home 'server'
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10:21<sml>kop: I already use rsync to mirror various bits and bobs , but how far can you go with rsync ? you can't rsync device files and such like can you? As for database content, I'm dealing with just plain text files. For databases I currently use Log Shipping.
10:21<ComradeHaz`>Put it this way, reshape is running at 12 meg / sec
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10:21<sml>kop: even if the hosts were IDENTICAL you wouldn't be able to sync everything would ya?
10:21<nevyn>mercutio22: can you replicate the problem with free drivers?
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10:22<mercutio22>nevyn: I can try
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10:22<sml>jhutchins_lt: will definitely look into drupal. saves running rsync scripts from Cron. also rsync can be a bit of a resource hog causing high server load.
10:22<nevyn>mercutio22: I suspect it's an X bug that's nvidia's fault but I hate nvidia so you know grain of salt.
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10:23<nevyn>nvidia tends to sacrifice "right" for fast.
10:23<mercutio22>nevyn: ok.. lets see
10:23<kop>sml: You wouldn't want to. But the linux-ha people have worked out how to cluster long ago. You can sync almost everything.
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10:23<sml>kop: is there a ha Debian ?
10:23<kop>sml: All the tools are there.
10:24<dpkg>[cluster] , Linux High-Availability Project ( See also <drbd>, <heartbeat>, <lvs>.
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10:24<mercutio22>nevyn: so I'd have to install nouveau?!
10:24<sml>kop: looks good. thanks. you have any personal experience of using it? is it good stuff ?
10:24<kop>sml: I've no personal experience. But it's good stuff.
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10:25<nevyn>mercutio22: you could try vesa but I think nvidia cards don't "do" vesa anymore
10:26<kop>sml: (FYI, if you're going to use a database for a backend I'd recommend postgresql over mysql. Postgresql 9 is in backports and clusters natively.)
10:26<mercutio22>nevyn: I heard nouveu is gettin pretty good
10:26<sml>kop: thanks. looks like i have some stuff to read.
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10:27<sml>jhutchins_lt: thanks to you too :)
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10:28<GNUtoo|laptop>hi, what's the debian way to do a dyndns update?
10:28<GNUtoo|laptop>I tried this way:
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10:29<GNUtoo|laptop>run_ipup="true" in /etc/default/ddclient
10:29<GNUtoo|laptop>but I achieve very bad results
10:29<GNUtoo|laptop>often it's not run
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10:29<GNUtoo|laptop>and I end up with the wrong ip
10:29<GNUtoo|laptop>in the DNS record
10:30<GNUtoo|laptop>is there a debian way to do that?
10:30<GNUtoo|laptop>that would be better
10:30<jhutchins_lt>GNUtoo|laptop: I always just ran the client provided by dyndns.
10:30<GNUtoo|laptop>ah ok, is it DFSG?
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10:31<GNUtoo|laptop>what's the name of that software?
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10:33<jhutchins_lt>GNUtoo|laptop: Dunno, I downloaded it from dyndns and ran it on CentOS/RHEL.
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10:33<jhutchins_lt>GNUtoo|laptop: Many routers come with a built-in client as well.
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10:33<jhutchins_lt>,info dyndns
10:33<judd>Package dyndns (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: dynamic DNS (DDNS) update client implemented in Perl. Version: 2010.0301+gitdd160bd-1; Size: 73.8k; Installed: 296k; Homepage:
10:34<GNUtoo|laptop>they list ddclient
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10:34<jhutchins_lt>,info ddclient
10:34<judd>Package ddclient (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: address updating utility for dynamic DNS services. Version: 3.8.0-11.3; Size: 71.5k; Installed: 368k; Homepage:
10:35<GNUtoo|laptop>ok thanks
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10:54<melbogia>where would I find partman documentation? It's not here
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11:06<Gerowen>So how's everybody doing?
11:06<cahoot>probably varying
11:09<sml>Gerowen: Well I'm not bad. Yer fine self ?
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11:09<melbogia>i am installing debian preseed and i get this error How do i fix it?
11:10<melbogia>err..I am installing debian using* preseed
11:10<Gerowen>sml: I'm doing fine, just doing family tree stuff with Gramps.
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11:10<sml>melbogia: what happens it you do ping ?
11:12<sml>Gerowen: I did that once. Got my family tree back to 1870
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11:13<melbogia>sml seems the ping command doesn't exist in the installer
11:13<Gerowen>sml: I've got mine back pretty far, just now starting to do "siblings" instead of direct ancestors.
11:13<melbogia>i could try and chroot to /target
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11:13<sml>melbogia: looks like you're just having problems resolving
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11:14<sml>Gerowen: I concentrated on going upwards. Going sideways would've taken forever ;-)
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11:15<sml>melbogia: you got the host command ?
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11:17<melbogia>sml actually i can ping
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11:19<sml>melbogia: you should be able to access the repository then. hmm
11:19<melbogia>yea, I don't know why it can't..
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11:27<sorcerer>Hello, i have my wicd running and i want to remove KNetworkManager. The add/remove won't let me remove, can anyone help
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11:28<sorcerer>i guess i should ask is this the correct chat for backtrack?
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11:31<daemonkeeper>sorcerer: Its not
11:31<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
11:31<hstrutz>I've got a ipod from a friend today. Anyhow, I have never used an ipod with Debian before, and I am having some problems copying files. It seemed to work to copy files with gtkpod but when I actually unmounted the device nothing had been copied. Please help me. I can't be with out music, here some version facts of the ipod:
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11:32<sorcerer>thank you for let me know this have a good day
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11:35<hstrutz>is there any console program which I can copy files to my ipod?..
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11:36<towo`>hstrutz, apt-cache search ipod
11:36<hstrutz>towo: done that,
11:37<hstrutz>rockbox doesn't seem to support my ipod either...
11:37<hstrutz>can't imagine what I should do with all my flac and ogg files...
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11:38<daemonkeeper>hstrutz: Rockbos support is on its way for the classic
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11:38<daemonkeeper>All others support Rockbox already
11:38<daemonkeeper>To transfer files use gtkpod or amarok
11:38<daemonkeeper>Others might suit as well
11:39<hstrutz>tried it... didn't work. my is 3d... nano.. I seem to have the same problem as these:
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11:44<sney>I thought the ipod didn't have enough cpu power to play ogg
11:45<sney>and at least the stock firmware doesn't provide the codec
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11:46<daemonkeeper>sney: stock firmware, yes. Runs smoothly with Rockbox
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11:46<sney>daemonkeeper: hstrutz says rockbox doesn't support his.
11:47<daemonkeeper>Don't know about iSomething in particular, some models won't run Rockbox (yet) because of a crypted bootloader
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11:48<hstrutz>rockbox does only support G1, G2, right?
11:48<hstrutz>mine is G3.
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11:48<daemonkeeper>As far as I know, almost everything but the Classic series
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11:49<hstrutz>their website doesn't claim to support 3g.
11:50<daemonkeeper>There is experimental support for the Classic but not ready yet. If it is the same device model as your G3 it might be supported soon
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11:52<hstrutz>daemonkeeper, bloody hell, its look like they actually support it. maybe Im just tired...
11:52<hstrutz>daemonkeeper, thanks,
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11:52<nevyn_>classic? is supported.
11:52<nevyn_>damn. I might have to give apple money.
11:53<nevyn_>I really hate that.
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11:53<daemonkeeper>Mine not, the latest Classic that is, 5G or so
11:53<daemonkeeper>hstrutz: Don't quote me, I don't know about iDevices in particular. I *think* yours should be fine
11:54<daemonkeeper>Ah, here to answer all questions
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11:55<daemonkeeper>But well, I think we're OT
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11:57<hstrutz>daemonkeeper, "Apple: iPod 1g through 5.5g, iPod Mini, iPod Nano 1g and iPod Nano 2g" hm, I believe mine isn't supported anyhow... hrm. but, thanks,.
11:58<daemonkeeper>You might have the same crypted boot loader than I do then.
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11:58<hstrutz>no idea
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11:58<hstrutz>im starting to hate it,.
11:59<daemonkeeper>Recently there was a breakthrough to "free" the iPod (and thus get Rockbox working as second step)
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11:59<daemonkeeper>Anyhow, OT
11:59<hstrutz>"Sorry, your device is not currently supported by emCORE."
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12:09<sergio>buenas soy de pampan trujillo tengo 17 años y formatie la pc con el canaima 2.0 el cd que trae las vit pero luego de terminar de instalar todo en ligar de salir la pantalla de inico me sale que esta fuera de rango
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12:10<Guest1661>quien me puede ayudar
12:10<Guest1661>buenas soy de pampan trujillo tengo 17 años y formatie la pc con el canaima 2.0 el cd que trae las vit pero luego de terminar de instalar todo en ligar de salir la pantalla de inico me sale que esta fuera de rango
12:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:18<LuisV>hi there [_]P
12:22<LuisV>why when I set some screensavers (like pipes, matrix or sonar) I get a blanc screen instead?
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12:22<jhutchins_lt>LuisV: Either you don't actually have them installed, you don't have them configured, or they use a feature that's not available in your video system.
12:24<LuisV>jhutchins_lt: what do you mean with "video system", graphic card, drivers??
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12:25<LuisV>jhutchins_lt: ok thanks, [_]P
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12:38<melbogia>can i disable ipv6 in preseed.cfg?
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12:45<clem>can i do a jquery question?
12:45<clem>to someone
12:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:46<daemonkeeper>Well, but not here
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12:46<daemonkeeper>Can't see how jQuery would be on topic for #Debian
12:46<clem>eh... i know
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12:47<clem>thanks the same
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12:47<daemonkeeper>There might be some web application related channels on Freenode where you can get help
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12:48<clem>i know but on jquery channel there is nobody
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12:49<daemonkeeper>Ehm? There are almost 900 people in #jquery on Freenode?
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12:50<Newa>Humble Frozenbyte Bundle available! Pay what you want for #Games on #Linux, #Mac and #Windows, no #DRM via @Humble
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12:59<beojan>what is the name of the X strike force channel
12:59<babilen>beojan: #debian-x
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13:02<guillaume>I have a "kernel module mismatch !" on my syslog.. Module I built from module-assistant with the right kernel-hearders
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13:02<guillaume>any idea ?
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13:04<guillaume>how can i check that the correct headers are used to compile the module ?
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13:07<Jack_Os>hello :P
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13:09<Jack_Os>CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but they are set to NOTFOUND.
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13:09<Jack_Os>anyone knows how to fix this? :P
13:09<SynrG>insufficient information supplied
13:10<Jack_Os>xD Its from compiling a source of a C++ project
13:10<SynrG>then i think you need help from some coding channel. this is for debian support
13:10<Jack_Os>Maybe you could help me in Private? XD
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13:11<SynrG>considering i'm trying to politely redirect you elsewhere, what would give you the impression i'm interested in that? :)
13:11<SynrG>i know a little C++, but CMake, not at all.
13:11<Jack_Os>Ahh... sorry mate...
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13:15<marga>Hi! Is there a way to mount an external ext3 fs so that uid=1000 in the fs gets mapped to uid=1001 in the local system?
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13:15<mercutio22>I tried to install the nouveau driver and lost my X. Can anyone here tell me if nouveau supports the gtx 470 nvidia cards?
13:15<marga>This is an external drive that is used to backup data from a notebook and a desktop and unfortunatelly the uids don't match.
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13:16<marga>mercutio22: I have no idea about that specific card. However, did you change your xorg.conf file to say "nouveau" instead of "nvidia" ?
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13:17<mercutio22>maga yes, I am getting and error. I would post you the Xorg.0.log output but I don't know how to do it via command line. Do you have a hint?
13:19<marga>mercutio22: uhm... can you use w3m to post to pastebin, maybe?
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13:21<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit".
13:22<mercutio22>marga: w3m is a command line browser like lynx? I have lynx here.
13:22<mercutio22>sney: oh cool
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13:22<mercutio22>alright, lets try that
13:22<Jack_Os>is there a command tool to measure internet speed? :P
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13:23<kop>Jack_Os: ntop? ttcp?
13:23<Jack_Os>K thanks :D
13:23<kop>Jack_Os: debtags is your friend
13:23<Jack_Os>So is google :D
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13:27<marga>mercutio22: uhm, it looks like you don't have the kernel support.
13:28<mercutio22>marga: you mean, nouveau doesn't seem to support my gpu?
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: lspci -nn | grep VGA - please post the 8 digit identifier.
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13:30<marga>mercutio22: I don't know, but you don't seem to have any possible device. Maybe it's a module that's missing...
13:31<sney>mercutio22: have you ever had the proprietary 'nvidia' driver installed on this system?
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13:31<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: 10de:06cd
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13:31<mercutio22>sney: yea, I had
13:31<jhutchins_lt>,pciid 10de:06cd
13:31<judd>[10de:06cd] is 'GF100 [GeForce GTX 470]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
13:31<sney>mercutio22: 'nvidia' prevents nouveau from loading as they conflict with each other. check the files in /etc/modprobe.d for a line that says 'blacklist nouveau'
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13:32<mercutio22>sney: alright. brb
13:34<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: Are you on squeeze? Did you try nvidiafb?
13:34<mercutio22>sney: ok. now how do I reload the nouveau module?
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13:34<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: I am on testing. Havent tried the nvidiafb
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13:35<sney>mercutio22: you can just 'modprobe nouveau'
13:35<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: I would assume that applies to anything squeeze or newer.
13:35<jhutchins_lt>sney: According to judd nouveau isn't the right driver any more.
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13:36<mercutio22>sney reload nouveau but still no devices found error is deisplayed on /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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13:36<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: who is judd?
13:36<daemonkeeper>A bot
13:37<daemonkeeper>See above
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13:37<sney>I thought nvidiafb was the kernel component of old 'nv'
13:37<MarGarina>grr, something is very wrong with the new linux-image-2.6.38-2 package
13:37<mercutio22>daemonkeeper: I see.. I have to read that url... but copying and pasting is hard on cmd line
13:38<MarGarina>many hw devices (mouse, sound card, ethernet) drivers don't start on boot suddenly
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13:38<towo`>MarGarina, it's not the kernel
13:38<towo`>MarGarina, it's udev
13:38<daemonkeeper>mercutio22: There's nothing that hasn't been mentioned already
13:38<MarGarina>towo`: oh. possibly. a known issue ?
13:38<mercutio22>ok, so nouveau is not the way
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13:39<daemonkeeper>towo`: Which version of udev are you running (and base-files)
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13:39<towo`>MarGarina, if you have /run, delete it and reinstall base-files and udev
13:39<mercutio22>I was hoping to get nouveau cus I heard that driver now supports compiz ={
13:39<MarGarina>towo`: oh, got it , 622309
13:39<towo`>daemonkeeper, i do not have any issue
13:39<MarGarina>towo`: 10x man, that's right!
13:39<mercutio22>Guess I will get the blob back
13:39<daemonkeeper>towo`: Sorry, meant MarGarina. But you got the same idea as I did
13:40<towo`>mercutio22, nouveau works great here
13:40<sney>mercutio22: nouveau still doesn't have any 3d at all, anyway, so the compiz support would likely be pretty sparse
13:40<towo`>sney, that's not true
13:40<MarGarina>daemonkeeper- 10x, indeed the broken 167-2
13:40<mercutio22>towo`: which gpu have you got?
13:40<towo`>GeForce 9600GT
13:41<mercutio22>maybe nouveau just doesn't support my model
13:41<sney>towo`: do you mean nouveau in upstream has 3d now? first I've heard
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13:41<towo`>sney, with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental it has 3d
13:41<mercutio22>towo`: did you install nouveau from the repository?
13:41<towo`>enought for compiz
13:42<towo`>from sid
13:42<sney>hm. they got that working sooner than I expected certainly.
13:42<mercutio22>towo`: sounds great
13:43<towo`>quake and quake2 runs very fast with nouveau
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13:43<MarGarina>k trying the workaround for #622309 (rm -rf /run, reboot), I hope it works and that they resolve the root cause :) 10x guys
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13:44<mercutio22>towo`: are you running testing? Did you just fetch that package from experimental or did you move all your system to experimental?
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13:44<towo`>mercutio22, libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental is in sid and also in testing
13:44<mercutio22>towo`: cool! Lemme get that
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13:47<mercutio22>ok, brb
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13:50<SynrG>marga: that's an interesting problem (the uid remapping one). i don't think there is a solution. there is this lwn article *wishing* for a solution, but that's all:
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13:50<mercutio22>Alright.. I have my X back =]
13:51<marga>mercutio22: cheers
13:51<marga>SynrG: :-\
13:51<SynrG>marga: so, some find -exec thing to change ownership globally
13:51<glupek>I can't manage to play audio CD under linux. can somebody help?
13:51<mercutio22>so now for compiz with nouveau...
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13:52<marga>SynrG: yeah, but that's not really a good solution when you have two different computers with two different uids and you want to access the info in the external device as your own.
13:52<Elev>I sort of forgot how you check if linux is running amd64 or i386 or whatever else there might be
13:52<marga>SynrG: it mean chowning everything each time you mount it in a different machine.
13:52<mercutio22>Xlib: extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":0".
13:53<SynrG>marga: i know. a royal pain. maybe fuse to the rescue? a transparent userspace uid re-mapping filesystem layer :)
13:53<towo`>mercutio22, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:53<SynrG>get right on that, k?
13:53<nevyn>Elev: uname -a
13:53<towo`>uname -m would be enougth
13:53<jhutchins_lt>marga: There might be a way to do this with samba.
13:54<marga>jhutchins_lt: ¿?
13:54<Elev>Umm, well, there is a function that will show "amd64" or "i386", I just don't remember it's name.. uname -m shows "x86_64"
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13:54<towo`>then it's amd64
13:54<towo`>mercutio22, that's not, what i asked
13:55<towo`>[19:53] <towo`> mercutio22, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:55<mercutio22>towo`: oops srry
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13:55<Elev>towo`: Ok, thanks. But you don't know the name of the command that'll just show "amd64"? :)
13:55<towo`>Elev, dpkg --print-architecture
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13:56<jhutchins_lt>uname -a?
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13:57<glupek>can somebody help with playing audio CD under debian?
13:57<mercutio22>towo`: (EE) NOUVEAU(0): Error initialising acceleration. Falling back to NoAccel
13:57<jhutchins_lt>Elev: or uname -m
13:58<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: Maybe it's time to try the right driver?
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13:58<towo`>mercutio22, dpkg -l | grep libdrm
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13:59<towo`>mercutio22, and ls -al /etc/modprobe.d
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13:59<mercutio22>towo`: No packages found matching libdrm.
14:00<towo`>mercutio22, apt-get install libdrm-nouveau1a
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14:00<Elev>towo`: It was dpkg --print-architecture i was looking for! :D Thanks a lot! :)
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14:01<jhutchins_lt>Why do people keep giving him advice on nouveau?
14:01<towo`>why not?
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14:01<mercutio22>towo`: libdrm-nouveau1a is already the newest version.
14:01<glupek>will somebody here help me?
14:02<mercutio22>towo`: maybe there is some residual nvidia driver lib trying to do nouveau's job?
14:02<towo`>mercutio22, what are the contents of nvidia-kernel-common.conf?
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14:02<towo`>mercutio22, i don't seat at your pc
14:02<jhutchins_lt>[12:31] <judd> [10de:06cd] is 'GF100 [GeForce GTX 470]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze.
14:02<towo`>jhutchins_lt, oh, that i have missed
14:02<kop>!tell glupek about anybody
14:03<towo`>then i would not use nouveau
14:03<azevemar>hello, someone knows why a /boot under a RAID1 (/dev/md0) is not mounted under squeezy. it doesn't appears at mount command or at /etc/fstab. but its contents are there. cat /proc/mdstat shows /dev/md0 as auto-read-only. thanks!!!
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14:04<kop>azevemar: There's a note in section 4 of the release notes regarding delays in disk autodetction. I don't think that's your problem but just in case...;
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14:04<kop>!tell glupek about ask
14:04<azevemar>thanks kop, I'll take look.
14:04<kop>glupek: You want to type "/quit" into your irc client to leave.
14:04*jhutchins_lt loans glupek a spare /
14:04<mercutio22>towo`: its ok man. Don't get mad.. I am just bouncing ideas. Just wondering if that could be a possibility. I will look more carefully.
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14:05<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: You can pound away at nouveau all day if you want.
14:05<towo`>mercutio22, for fermi cards, 3d needs firmware and latest code, that they work with nouveau
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14:06<towo`>mercutio22, forget nouveau for now
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14:07<towo`>mercutio22, install binary blob and all is good
14:07<mercutio22>towo`: alright.
14:07<glupek_>hey, why nobody wants to help me?
14:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:08<kop>glupek: The bot should have sent you a private message already with the above text.
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14:09<sney>glupek_: anyway, if you have a question, just ask. it's what the channel is for, you don't need permission, just out with it. :)
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14:10<mercutio22>towo`: the reason I was trying nouveau is because there seemed to be a bug in the blob drivers included in testing. It draws the gnome button shadows wrong. It seems ok with nouveau
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14:10<towo`>mercutio22, then use the blob from experimental
14:10<towo`>ehat'S the problem?
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14:11<mercutio22>towo`: exactly, the binary nvidia drivers in testing.
14:11<glupek_>I can't manage to play audio CD under wheezy. I am using SMPlayer, but I tried with default ripper Sound Juicer. It says that CD can't be read from.
14:11<towo`>mercutio22, in testing is 260.19.44-1
14:11<mercutio22>towo`: perhaps I should report it now that I tested it.
14:11<towo`>mercutio22, in exp. is 270.30-1
14:11<mercutio22>towo`: yep, thats the faulty one. 260.19
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14:12<towo`>then try 270.30-1
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14:12<SynrG>marga: hmm. i was half kidding, but ... then went looking. maybe bindfs helps?
14:12<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: If you use the wrong driver it doesn't matter how new the wrong driver is, it won't work.
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14:12<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: why do you say its wrong?
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14:13<SynrG>marga: seems to have some uid reassignment as part of its feature set. see examples at
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14:13<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: We established almost 45 minutes ago that you need nvidiafb.
14:13<jhutchins_lt>[12:31] <judd> [10de:06cd] is 'GF100 [GeForce GTX 470]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze.
14:13<glupek_>I can't manage to play audio CD under wheezy. I am using SMPlayer and don't know how to sset things up.
14:14<sney>glupek_: does sound work?
14:14<glupek_>it works alright
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14:14<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: ok, I get that. Using nouveau was just an experiment to see if the improperly drawn buttons was due to the nvidia blob
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14:15<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: and I could also try and see how it played with compiz
14:15<sney>glupek_: please ask questions in the channel.
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14:16<sney>glupek_: is your user account in the 'cdrom' group?
14:16<glupek_>I don't know
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14:16<glupek_>but I will find out
14:17<mercutio22>The conclusion seems to be that nvidia blob version 260.19 has a bug drawing the window buttons as per
14:17<glupek_>I have "using CD-ROMs" ticked in user preferences
14:17<glupek_>so I bet I am in this group
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14:18<mercutio22>It seems fixed now in nouveau
14:18<jhutchins_lt>mercutio22: Sorry, I think the pciid factoid is misleading.
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14:19<mercutio22>jhutchins_lt: what pciid factoid?
14:19<jhutchins_lt>Never mind.
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14:22<marga>SynrG: will check it out, thanks
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14:22<glupek_>I can't get audio CD to play. As soon as I insert audio CD into drive I get a message that location can't be mounted. I understand that linux can't read audio CDs beacause they don't have any filesystem, but that doesn't explain why I cannot play it in any software I tried.
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14:23<zulax5>can i call a shell script from within a shell script?
14:24<zulax5>i have sh cronjob/ inside a file
14:24<retrospectacus>zulax5: yes
14:24<zulax5>and it gives me no such folder
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14:24<retrospectacus>use the full path, or ./cronjob/ or set PATH, etc
14:25<zulax5>retrospectacus, i am using path like ~/cronjob
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14:25<zulax5>nm i didnt retrospectacus
14:25<zulax5>i will see now
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14:25<retrospectacus>zulax5: you'll get it
14:25<SynrG>marga: i'd be interested to hear if it works or not
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14:26<zulax5>i will see it in a miute now
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14:27<zulax5>retrospectacus, SynrG - Itsworking yeah!!
14:28<SynrG>zulax5: it == ?
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14:28<zulax5>with the ~ appended in the script
14:28<zulax5>nm , i though u were in the conversation SynrG
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14:31<retrospectacus>zulax5: $HOME should be used in scripts, rather than ~
14:31<retrospectacus>for reasons I do not recall
14:31<zulax5>ok, i was just gonna ask you
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14:59<dropedrobarri>hi, I have a Mobile GSM USB modem... in ubuntu 10.04 it runs fine... ive installed debian squeeze on my laptop, but i cant connect to the internet with it. Ive installed Networkmanager and copied the settings from my ubuntu configuration but nothing, is there anything missing?
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15:00<sney>dropedrobarri: it may need a firmware package to work.
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15:07<sml>hows it going?
15:07<jhutchins_lt>dropedrobarri: If you would care to share details on the make and model we might be able to help.
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15:08<sml>what flavour chewits are bezt?
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15:09<sney>sml: this is a support channel for the Debian operating system, do you have a support question? if not please go to another channel like #moocows if you want to chat
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15:14<sml>is #moocows good?
15:16*retrospectacus mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! /j #moocows foo!
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15:17<mehdi_>hey guys gnome2 is compatible with compiz wat about gnome3?
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15:24<dropedrobarri>sney, Debian is detecting my Mobile internet modem. after installing some packages... but It keeps loading the connecting and then it doesnt connect
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15:30<knoppix_>makan walou
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15:44<unixabg>Greetings, what is best way to get mythes-en-us on squeeze setup?
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15:45<unixabg>I have libreoffice installed
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16:17<zulax5>I think something fishy is going on with my laptop
16:17<zulax5>IRC rooms kick me out,
16:17<zulax5>Internet is so slow :(
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16:23<PeterNL>Hi all. I installed squeeze on a '99 Compaq Armada V300, and it works great. But the composite output does not
16:24<PeterNL>Output is fine until X starts, but lots of flickering and no recognisable image after
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16:24<sney>composite? like RCA? or what
16:24<daemonkeeper>If you mean 1999 it may be to slow.
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16:24<PeterNL>Yep, the yellow RCA plug thingy
16:24<daemonkeeper>Or lacking enough video memory
16:24<PeterNL>And it's fast enough for vga or the built-in screen
16:25<sney>daemonkeeper: 'slow' by itself doesn't cause graphical errors usually
16:25<daemonkeeper>Ehm sorry, I'm telling bullshit, should read more carefully
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16:25<PeterNL>It has 192mb ram and afaik 4mb video ram
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16:25<PeterNL>lemme check that, I've got the service manual
16:25<daemonkeeper>Thought PeterNL was referring to compositing
16:26<daemonkeeper>Or read that at least, as said, sorry.
16:26<PeterNL>Nope, just plain X with a light wm
16:26<PeterNL>I wouldn't try compiz on a 466MHz celeron :D
16:27<sney>PeterNL: it could be that X can't figure out what modes to display on a television. does Xorg.0.log have anything enlightening?
16:27<PeterNL>lemme check... moment please
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16:28<PeterNL>by the way, the video chip is an ATi Rage LT Pro with 4MB SGRAM (according to the service manual)
16:28<daemonkeeper>What driver do you use?
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16:29<daemonkeeper>Afaict ATI dropped support for legacy chipsets some time ago
16:29<PeterNL>whatever squeeze uses by default
16:29<daemonkeeper>You might feed judd with your pci id
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16:30<PeterNL>I have installed xserver-xorg-video-all if that matters
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16:31<PeterNL>And it works great over VGA or the build-in lcd
16:31<daemonkeeper>Maybe the port is just broken then?
16:31<PeterNL>but lemme check the logs now (I rebooted it with a vga monitor connected.)
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16:31<PeterNL>The port is fine during POST and before X starts
16:31<PeterNL>err, the image on the TV is fine...
16:32<retrospectacus>perhaps the display on the RCA cable cannot handle your output resolution
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16:33<PeterNL>800x600 should work, right?
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16:33<retrospectacus>iirc old televisions are only 640*480
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16:36<PeterNL>they are PAL or NTSC, they don't have pixels
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16:36<escoria1>Someone german?
16:36<PeterNL>I'm Dutch
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16:37<escoria1>Goede avond, PeterNL.
16:37<PeterNL>Van hetzelfde :)
16:37<escoria1>How do you say in german "Thanks for sharing (it)?
16:37<daemonkeeper>escoria1: There are several German channels
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16:37<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
16:37<sney>PeterNL: yeah, no pixels, but 'standard' definition television can only really handle 640x480
16:37<PeterNL>retrospectacus, that was dutch, not german
16:37<daemonkeeper>retrospectacus: 576x720 (PAL that is), afaict.
16:38<daemonkeeper>For European models
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16:38<daemonkeeper>NTSC might be different, don't know
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16:39<PeterNL>NTSC is not importand, the bios is set to PAL since PAL has better colors
16:39<dpkg>well, ntsc is Never Twice Same Color
16:39<sney>vhs jokes. hyuck hyuck
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16:40<PeterNL>But yeah, I have one of the latest vga-less tv's
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16:40<PeterNL>And that sucks. I cannot connect modern laptop's to it
16:40<PeterNL>But now I've got this old one, and this just has to work someway
16:41<zeromon>in kile does auto completion for latex command work?
16:41<PeterNL>(I am actually converting it into a DIY digital photo frame)
16:41<zeromon>It seems strange..
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16:41<PeterNL>pics and story (in dutch) at
16:41<sney>PeterNL: just try a low resolution like 320x240 and work up from there until you find the highest one that works.
16:42<PeterNL>How do I set the resolution from the command line?
16:42<daemonkeeper>Force one in X
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16:43<retrospectacus>PeterNL: xrandr -s 320x240
16:44<PeterNL>320x240 doesn't even work
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16:45<PeterNL>TV is still flickering while the VGA screen is displaying pixels
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16:47<retrospectacus>PeterNL: can you pastebin "xrandr"
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16:47<retrospectacus>the command by itself lists your connected outputs and available modes
16:47<PeterNL>lemme check if wifi is working first ;)
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16:48<retrospectacus>(you could also perhaps discover a good xrandr -s command from looking at that output)
16:48<PeterNL>lemme reboot first. And upload a pic while waiting for it
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16:49<PeterNL>That's part of xranr btw :)
16:49<retrospectacus>nice laptop
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16:52<PeterNL>But I got to go now. Bye!
16:53<retrospectacus>it says there is only one connected screen
16:54<PeterNL>Isn't that normal when mirroring?
16:54<daemonkeeper>PeterNL: Are those controllers for Playstation Buzz? ;o)
16:54<retrospectacus>oh maybe
16:54<PeterNL>daemonkeeper, they're not mine however
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16:55<Vyrus001>is gnome3 not in squeeze yet?
16:55<PeterNL>but I am leaving now. Bye!
16:56<daemonkeeper>Vyrus001: No and will never, as backport perhaps.
16:56<Vyrus001>guess i should update my distro then
16:56<daemonkeeper>Squeeze ist the most recent Debian stable release
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16:57<Vyrus001>yea i typicly run a testing machine anyway
16:57<Vyrus001>i just figured id try stable
16:57<daemonkeeper>Neither has Gnome 3 (for now)
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16:58<Vyrus001>how long u think it will take till the deb is out?
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16:59<retrospectacus>PeterNL: bye. GL
16:59<jhutchins_lt>Vyrus001: Months at least.
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16:59<jhutchins_lt>,versions gnome3
16:59<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gnome3' was found in i386.
17:00<daemonkeeper>Well, pkg-gnome-maintainers might know more about their plans
17:01<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: Seems as if it were in experimental already
17:02<daemonkeeper>See and so on
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17:02<daemonkeeper>But I'm not using Gnome and not following development, so no clue.
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17:03<frboyer>salut les enfants
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17:06<frboyer>good evening fellows
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17:27<glupek>I have problem with listening audio CDs on my system. I use SMPlayer (frontend for MPlayer) and I can listen theme there, but other programs are not seeing them. Once everything was OK. Even foobar2000 under wine played my CD. I thought everything was OK then. But I restarted my PC and now it's gone - foobar2000 and this native GNOME tool Sound Juicer (for ripping audio CDs) can't see them and I can only play them through SMPlayer. Why other
17:27<glupek>programs cannot see it?
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17:28<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: They just did the official release at gnome a couple of weeks ago.
17:29<jhutchins_lt>glupek: You haven't told us what you've done with your system since it worked. Have you upgraded to squeeze? Did you install something new?
17:29<glupek>absolutely nothing
17:30<glupek>it was 1,5 hour ago
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17:30<glupek>I have this problem since I isntalled debian about 3 weeks ago.
17:30<glupek>I have wheezy.
17:30<glupek>Today I decided to do something about it as I need to be able to read audio CDs.
17:30<jhutchins_lt>glupek: CD's are not necessarily in license-free formats. Some software requires external "codecs" for proprietary formats, while other software is able to handle them natively (but may not be available under the GFSG).
17:31<jhutchins_lt>glupek: If you don't know how to solve problems like this, why are you running the testing version? You should be running stable.
17:31<jhutchins_lt>glupek: Testing will break like this on a regualr basis.
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17:32<glupek>I am a sharp guy : ).
17:32<glupek>But I need some practice.
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17:33<melbogia>can anybody tell me why i am getting this "500 peer communication , code 101"?
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17:33<melbogia>I get those while installing debian
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17:34<planet8>How can I figure out what this failed grandchild of CRON is:
17:34<melbogia>i am installing via preseed/netboot if that makes a difference
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17:35<glupek>What foobar2000 is saying now is "No CD drivers found"
17:35<glupek>but then it found the drive 2 hours ago
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17:37<glupek>Sound Juicer is saying "Can't read the CD (...) Can't access the CD. Location is not supported"
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17:37<jhutchins_lt>glupek: Is your user a member of the cdrom group?
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17:37<glupek>Yes, I checked that.
17:38<jhutchins_lt>glupek: Testing breaks. Known factor.
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17:38<jhutchins_lt>glupek: It's not a matter of how smart you are, it's a matter of packages breaking.
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17:39<sney>melbogia: do you have network reachability to anyway it can still install the system from a main mirror, it'll just have updates pending once the install is finished
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17:40<melbogia>sney: i can ping , it does finish the install but we have 100s of clients and I don't want to hit enter on all of them when it's stuck there
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17:43<melbogia>it seems that error is from apt-cacher-ng , though i am not sure how to resolve it
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17:44<Zomb>melbogia: which error?
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17:45<melbogia>it seems we have a local machine running apt-cacher-ng, maybe the problem is there
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17:46<Zomb>melbogia: which version is it?
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17:46<Zomb>0.1.9? no shit, even the one in former stable was more uptodate
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17:47<Zomb>hello Bob (SCNR)
17:48<melbogia>Zomb: 0.2.2-2
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17:50<Zomb>melbogia: ic. But sorry, the downloader code was awfull in the old version, the current stable (or unstable) have fine-grained debug capabilities.
17:51<Zomb>0.2.2 is almost three years old -> no support
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17:54<melbogia>Zomb: 0.2.2-2 is the one available in lenny
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17:55<melbogia>can i disable apt-cache-ng from using ipv6 somehow?
17:55<Zomb>lenny is deprecated
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17:55<Zomb>yes. BindInterfaces: only-My-public-v4-IP
17:55<themill>lenny is still supported
17:55<sney>lenny is oldstable, which is still supported for now
17:56<Zomb>security support does not count
17:56<sney>really now
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17:57<melbogia>i think we figured out the issue, apt-cacher-ng is running on a machine with ipv6 enabled and it's trying to use ipv6 and hanging, we are in the middle of rolling out ipv6
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17:58<cavedon>hi, anybody know if there is a way to know why a sync call is not returning? (for 10 days! dpkg is blocked on it :D)
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17:58<Zomb>dpkg? sync? Yet another Lenny issue?
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17:59<cavedon>Zomb, no, no, I do not think it is lenny or debian specific, actually
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17:59<Zomb>melbogia: oh yeah. The v6 socket code in 0.2.2 was also bad.
17:59<themill>cavedon: do you have a network-filesystem mount point where the remote machine disappeared? What version of debian is this with?
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18:00<teage>how would I use apt-get to download some packages but not install them?, just save them.
18:00<themill>teage: "aptitude download packagename" is the easiest approach
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18:01<teage>themill, oh ok, i will try that real quik, thanks
18:02<cavedon>themill: I have an fuse filesystem mounted, but it is working properly, all filesystems looks in a good shape. I would like to know what is blocking sync...
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18:02<themill>cavedon: which version of debian was this with?
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18:02<cavedon>themill: uhm, actually it is an ubuntu machine :)
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18:02<Zomb>someone calls the Debian police?
18:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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18:03<themill>cavedon: no version of dpkg that debian ever released with has sync() calls in it. That is not the case for ubuntu, however.
18:03<melbogia>can i remove an ipv6 address from a running system?
18:03<sney>tl;dr - #ubuntu may be useless, but we still won't help you here.
18:03<melbogia>we removed it by 'ip -6 addr delete...' but it came back after couple of mins
18:04<Zomb>you need to disable the address resolution somewhere in /proc or /sys, ask google
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18:04<teage>themill, when its done, will it show in my downloads folder?
18:04<Zomb>but IIRC you always have some address, especially the one mapped to NIC's MAC
18:05<themill>teage: in whatever directory you ran it from
18:05<teage>themill, thank you for your help
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18:05<cavedon>themill: as I said, I do not think it is a debian/dpkg issue; I was just wondering if there is a way to know why it is blocked; probably I should ask in some generic linux channel
18:06<cavedon>themill: thanks anyway
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18:06<dyfrgi>udev seems to be picking up my keyboard as a pointer.
18:06<dyfrgi>udevadm info --export-db shows it with ID_INPUT_MOUSE=1
18:06<dyfrgi>Also, it's not picking up the settings from /etc/default/keyboard, whereas the lid switch (which it seems to think is a keyboard) is.
18:07<dyfrgi>The end result is that X, while it does realize that it's a keyboard at some point, is not using the settings from /etc/default/keyboard.
18:07<themill>cavedon: a hung fuse connection sounds the likely culprit, unless your IO is insanely difficult. FWIW, Debian has some QA processes for packages that resulted in those sync() calls being testing and changed.
18:07<dyfrgi>Any thoughts on how to make udev recognize my keyboard as a keyboard?
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18:10<keith_>Hello. I'm looking for some assistance in resolving bug #620550. Anyone around that can help?
18:11<dyfrgi>It might help if you said what bug #620550 is.
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18:12<sney>,bugs 620550
18:12<keith_>mod_php5 is compiled with QDBM support which is breaking GDBM support in mod_perl 2 for us.
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18:14<lixhell>anyone know how to Unlock radeon cards with 3D acceleration?
18:14<lixhell>my fglrx driver (10-9) is instaled
18:15<lixhell>but 3d acceleration isnt avaliable
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18:16<lixhell>i cant run ati catalyst control
18:16<lixhell>i cant run fglrx gears
18:16<SynrG>!tell lixhell about fglrx
18:17<SynrG>which card? i'm using the 'radeon' driver just fine with my hd4350
18:17<lixhell>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Juniper [Radeon HD 5700 Series]
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18:20<lixhell>this driver 'radeon', is a open source driver ???
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18:21<SynrG>yes. unsure about your specific card though
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18:21<caranille>Hello everybody I'm French !
18:21<lixhell>i need run scientifics softwares 3d
18:22<SynrG>maybe supported by the radeonhd driver. dunno
18:22<lixhell>i was test open source driver (ran superkart)
18:22<lixhell>very very very very slow
18:22<lixhell>wich mesa gl
18:23<dvs>caranille: Bonjour?
18:23<SynrG>lixhell: can't find it, so yes, fglrx may be your only option. did you read the fglrx factoid i sent via dpkg bot? it msged you.
18:24<lixhell>bonsoir, comment çava caranille??
18:25<lixhell>e parle du Brésil, ici est nuit
18:25<lixhell>e >>> je
18:26<SynrG>the language for support questions is english, however
18:26<SynrG>for support in french, see:
18:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:27<lixhell>just being nice to caranille
18:27<lixhell>ok ;-)
18:27<sney>lixhell: (and SynrG) 'radeon' supports the radeon hd 5000 series. but it needs firmware-linux-nonfree to work properly.
18:27<SynrG>sney: ah. did not know ... was unable to find reference to this specific model
18:28<sney>without that firmware package, you'll get video output, but poor performance.
18:28<SynrG>sney: any experience with it? i'm generally happy with the 3d support for my own card
18:28<caranille>Good evening Lixhell, i'm french but i don't know use the private message
18:28<SynrG>i've heard fglrx is a world of pain
18:30<sney>SynrG: better than it used to be afaik. time was it was packaged as rpm only
18:30<sney>lixhell: ask questions in the channel please
18:30<SynrG>sney: the man page is out of date, then? i was looking at supported cards there.
18:30<caranille>Je peux quand meme rester ici même si je suis francais ?
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18:30<SynrG>didn't see the 5000 series mentioned
18:31<caranille>escuse me
18:31<caranille>I can still stay here even if I'm french?
18:31<lixhell>if i install open source driver, wich firmware-linux-nonfree, i go get hi velocity in 3d???
18:31<SynrG>caranille: we don't have anything against the french, no :) it's just that support questions are in english, if you're ok with that.
18:31<sney>lixhell: you should be able to, yes
18:31<SynrG>also, for general social chat & non support-related talk, see #debian-offtopic
18:32<lixhell>i was install firmware-linux-nonfree, but after purge xorg radeon driver, and put fglrx
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18:33<SynrG>lixhell: so which way do you want to proceed? try to get the non-free driver to work or the free?
18:33<caranille>I have a question, a kernel compiled under debian you it can be installed on another computer with Debian too?
18:33<lixhell>sney, u can play superkart or other 3d game wich good performance ????
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18:33<sney>SynrG: says it's supported, whereas radeonhd stops at the r7xx series. the 5000 series is the one after r7xx
18:34<sney>lixhell: I do not have a new radeon card, I just know it's supported.
18:34<SynrG>lixhell: on the hd4350, which is not a very powerful card, we can play tremulous (a 3D first person shooter) just fine
18:34<SynrG>using 'radeon' driver
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18:35<lixhell>using 'radeon' driver .... and firmware-linux-nonfree only ?????
18:36<caranille>Lixhell you want to play 3D games on your computer ?
18:36<lixhell>oh my god, free driver wich good performance?? this is a dream
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18:37<SynrG>lixhell: that was *why* i bought this card, since things seemed to be improving faster for ATI than nVidia for 3D support from a free driver
18:37<lixhell>open easy good and now fast ?!?!?!? this is over good
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18:37<lixhell>i go test
18:38<caranille>NVIDIA have a free-driver ?
18:38<dpkg>Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian for important notes. #nouveau on For 3D support, ask about <nvidia>.
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18:39<sney>I learned today that nouveau has 3d support available in experimental and sid! but it's probably not ready for primetime still
18:39<daemonkeeper>We may update the factoid a bit
18:39<sney>I'd just add a 'yet' after the word 'enabled'
18:39<lixhell>i need use progrms for geophysics data interpretation, in 3D and minign in 2D/3D (i m a mine engineer - student)
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18:40<sney>since it's not in stable or testing yet, it's not really factoid material
18:40<caranille>What's the advantages to make our Kernel ?
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18:40<lixhell>math and mapping programs too, scilab, cernlib, google earth
18:40<lixhell>4 work
18:40<daemonkeeper>sney: Did you verify it works in sid?
18:41<lixhell>but i like/need run games
18:41<sney>daemonkeeper: not personally, but that towo guy earlier was pretty confident
18:41<sney>(I don't have a sid system. maybe I'll mail my extra nvidia card to SynrG and he can test it.)
18:41<daemonkeeper>Well, then maybe let's keep it as is until someone actually knows
18:41<lixhell>debian sid have 2.6.38 linux kernel
18:42<lixhell>4 nouveau
18:42<caranille>but i'm compiling the 2.38.2 Kernels, it's recommanded ?
18:43<daemonkeeper>You may do, using the "Debian way"
18:43<sney>caranille: if you're building your own kernel then surely you know what you want to do with it.
18:44<caranille>I have bought a debian books for learn the kernels compilation
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18:44<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell caranille about make-kpkg
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18:45<caranille>how ?
18:45<daemonkeeper>Look into your private windows with dpkg
18:46<caranille>okay, thanks for the documentation
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18:48<lixhell>in sid, have the kernel 2.6.38 (image, headers) compiled
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18:49<amphi>caranille: the debian reference has a section on building kernels
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18:50<caranille>how download the "sid" Packages
18:50<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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18:52<daemonkeeper>Perhaps "iyhtays"
18:52<lixhell>i go test, open source driver radeon + linux firmaware and go back more later
18:52<lixhell>thx my debian friends
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18:53<lixhell>caranille, copy lines of the debian stable in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and chang version by sid
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18:54<caranille>okay thanks
18:54<caranille>good night
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18:55<lixhell>got to your apt manager software, refresh list of packages, and install new kernel
18:55<daemonkeeper>He's gone.
18:55<lixhell>ok, gogogo, thx
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18:55<dvs>lixhell: as well as the rest of sid
18:55<daemonkeeper>He's gone² :p
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19:01<Mixxit>hi guys, prolly get asked this alot but with squeeze proftpd i can't seem to upload files over ftpd due to write errors
19:01<Mixxit>with a local user pam account, i can login fine just not upload
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19:02<petemc>Mixxit: what are the permissions on the dir you're trying to upload to?
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19:03<petemc>i installed proftpd-basic the other day and it worked out of the box
19:03<Mixxit>just default i literally only just adduser'd
19:03<Mixxit>this is a fresh install of debian
19:03<petemc>and you're trying to upload to home dir?
19:04<Mixxit>i believe so anyway
19:04<Mixxit>i just logged in and it says /
19:05*Mixxit raises his eyebrows
19:05*Mixxit wafts his hand, nope that wasn't me *points at debhelper*
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19:06<petemc>Mixxit: use pwd or ls to check the directory you're in
19:06<Mixxit>i tried it just said / is the current directory
19:07<Mixxit>i have DefaultRoot ~
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19:07<Mixxit>in proftpd.conf if that's any help
19:07<petemc>did you run ls ?
19:08<Mixxit>'ls not understood'
19:08<Mixxit>500 dir not understood
19:09<Mixxit>i feel like a robot
19:09<petemc>seems kinda broken
19:09<Mixxit>hmm, recommend another package?
19:09<Mixxit>removed proftpd :)
19:09<daemonkeeper>!ftp must die
19:09<dpkg>FTP MUST DIE! . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP:
19:09<daemonkeeper>does this count as well?
19:10<Mixxit>worked straight out of the box
19:10<Mixxit>thank you so much!
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19:28<Helliana>I did a update to my Wheezy box today, seems the kernel upgrade screwed up my LIRC install
19:28<Helliana>anyone else heard of problems with LIRC and wheezy?
19:28<sney>wheezy in general is pretty breakable right now since it's so early in the development cycle
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19:29<sney>do you have apt-listbugs installed and/or have you checked for a report of the problem?
19:29<Helliana>nope, sounds like a good place to start though
19:29<Helliana>i'm just wondering if it has to do with lirc-modules-source being unavailable for some reason
19:30<sney>could be
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19:34<ml|>could also be a udev issue, since udev 167-1; check bts
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19:35<JAQK-Joker>How do I install Mozilla Firefox on Ubuntu?
19:35<nevyn>JAQK-Joker: ask #ubuntu?
19:35<daemonkeeper>(On Freenode)
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19:36<JAQK-Joker>Thank You
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19:38<aussa>what am I suppose to do by reading this: Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources, what I did was go to "Software Sources" and checked "contrib" and "non-free" :S
19:39<daemonkeeper>No idea where you click around, but sounds feasible. Check /etc/apt/sources.list for contrib and non-free entries
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19:42<aussa>two lines start with "deb-src" and end with "main contrib non-free" is that right?
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19:43<aussa>ok ty :D
19:43<daemonkeeper>If you mean one starts with deb, one with deb-src
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19:44<jhutchins_lt>Helliana: Lesson for future: If you run testing on a system you need to use daily, either run it as a boot option to stable, or make system snapshots before you run and update so you can fall back easily.
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19:50<ml|>also apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs are a must for testing/unstable users, IMHO
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19:53<Helliana>jhutchins_lt: Or... just us stable which is my new plan lol
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19:55<Gerowen>Question, are there any programs, command line or gui, installed by default that you can use to convert, preferably in mass, images from one format to another?
19:55<Gerowen>I'm fairly new to Debian, and don't usually do a lot with photos, but my mom has a hold crapload she wants converted from tif to jpg
19:56<daemonkeeper>imagemagick is great for that purpose
19:57<ml|>not installed by default, but checkout imagemagick
19:57<Gerowen>K, will do, thanks.
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20:04<jhutchins_lt>Gerowen: nt installed by default, but yes, imagemagick does it all.
20:06<Gerowen>Yep, found the website, I was all confused cause' I had it installed but the command "imagemagick" didn't do anything. Apparently the package is just a collection of tools like the "convert" command.
20:06<daemonkeeper>Installed by default may be challengig (and ambiguous) for Debian anyway.
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20:06<daemonkeeper>Gerowen: Ecactly, and convert is what you need
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20:08<jhutchins_lt>Gerowen: Linux Magazine, among others, has done a series on the amazing things that collection can do.
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20:11<Gerowen> /glee, it supports wildcards!
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20:13<daemonkeeper>Wildcard support is immanent, since interpolated by the shell. Be careful, might result in a unwanted behavior for imagemagick
20:13<aussa>how do I install insmod?
20:13<daemonkeeper>You have it already, become root
20:15<Gerowen>Yeah I made a test folder and copied a few images into there to experiment and make sure I knew what was going to happen.
20:15<aussa>where do I read my Xorg version, I type Xorg -version, but can't see it.... :S
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20:17<daemonkeeper>Gerowen: Most useful might be a for loop in the directory.
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20:20<napa>kisetsu acá
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20:21<ml|>aussa: lots of info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:29<aussa>ok, here is the thing, it says I should have version 6.7, the only thing I see in that log is "X.Org X Server 1.7.7"
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20:29<Gaucho>Boa noite! Algum Brasileiro ?
20:30<Gerowen>daemonkeeper: Yeah I just threw me together a little bash script to do exactly that, then move the originals into their own separate folder, thanks for the idea, :-)
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20:58<aussa>is it possible that during debian installation, nouveau drivers were installed?
20:59<aussa>or vga or vesa?
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21:01<ml|>perhaps if you have xserver-xorg-video-all installed
21:02<aussa>how do I know for sure?
21:02<tharkun> simple dpkg -l |grep nouveau
21:02<ml|>one way.. aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-all
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21:03<tharkun>the other way is like ml| kindly stated also
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21:09<aussa>it says that the package xserver-xorg-video-all is installed, and then a big list after "Depends" in which nouveau is present, so that means yes?
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21:10<nevyn>aussa: yep.
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21:11<aussa>hahaha :D, what is all that other items in the list intel, vesa, trident, nv,......?
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21:12<nevyn>aussa: it's ALL drivers
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21:24<aussa>can I open Xchat from a different run level, out of X server.... I might be going there and I'm afraid I'd some questions :S :D
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21:25<aussa>*I'd have some questions :S :D
21:25<nevyn>aussa: install a text mode irc client?
21:26<nevyn>aussa: I like irssi but there are others. maybe there's even an xchat-text or something
21:28<aussa>ok, I'll be back in a minute, using irssi :D ty
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21:34<aussa>I tried to enter to this channel but it says I'm banned?
21:34<nutterpc>did u tip the doorman?
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21:36<bgat>can anyone help me set up a 64-bit chroot on a 32-bit x86 machine?
21:36<dondelelcaro>bgat: you can't, unless the machine is actually 64bit and you're running a 32bit architecture
21:36<dondelelcaro>(and then you'll need a 64bit kernel)
21:37<bgat>cat /proc/cpuinfo
21:37<bgat>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3505 @ 2.53GHz
21:37<bgat>does that qualify?
21:37<nutterpc>does it say lm anywhere in there
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21:37<nutterpc>in the cpuinfo, if u see something called "lm"
21:37<bgat>hmmm... I don't see an 'lm' anywhere
21:38<nevyn>bgat: look in cpuflag
21:38<nutterpc>no lm = no 64bit
21:38<bgat>yes, it's there
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21:38<bgat>... rdtscp lm constant_tsc ...
21:38<nutterpc>thats a start
21:39<bgat>nutterpc: on to Step Two? :)
21:40<bgat>I would actually prefer NOT to run 64-bit, except that I need to build Android and Google is insisting on it now for Gingerbread :(
21:40<bgat>insisting on 64-bit, I mean. And java6
21:40<nutterpc>so u want 64bit chroot, but you dont want to run 64bit
21:40<bgat>I have hacked Android/Gingerbread makefiles to force it to build on 32-bit and things seem fine, but I still have to wonder...
21:41*nutterpc bangs head against desk
21:41<bgat>nutterpc: basically, I don't want to do a whole new OS install on my workstation
21:41<bgat>'cause it took me this long to get it set up how I want it, what with nouveau and all...
21:41<nutterpc>bgat, any way u look at it
21:41<bgat>Maybe I should just VMware it and be done.
21:41<nutterpc>its GOING to be a bit of work
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21:42<bgat>nutterpc: yea, I think I'm starting to believe that
21:42<bgat>I googled the question for a long time before coming here :)
21:43<bgat>I just wonder why the Android build machinery is THAT fussy...
21:43<nutterpc>imo, id back the settings up on ur current box, and then redo it properly
21:43<dondelelcaro>bgat: so run a 64bit kernel, and use debootstrap to create one
21:43<dondelelcaro>(or cdebootstrap, or whatever works)
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21:44<bgat>well, define "properly"; IIRC, some of the debian-multimedia stuff doesn't do 64-it, right?
21:44<aussa>how do I join this channel using irssi, it says I'm banned
21:44<dondelelcaro>bgat: it actually does...
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21:44<dondelelcaro>aussa: you've joined this channel. You're probably trying to join as root or something similar.
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21:45<bgat>something tells me that with a presentation deadline coming up in the next couple of days, redoing the OS install on my workstation is probably a Bad Idea--- worse even than forcing Android to build in 32-bit land! :)
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21:45<ussa>thank you
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21:45<bgat>I have a bunch of cross-compilers and other stuff I'd have to deal with, too...
21:46<nutterpc>bgat, methinks u shoulda thought it thru a bit better mate :P
21:46<bgat>nutterpc: yea, probably. :)
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21:47<ussa>I'm trying to isntall nvidia drivers,and it the manual says that when I have exit the X server I must "terminate all OpenGL applications" how do I do that?
21:47<nutterpc>coming into here, saying u want 64bit chroot, but dont wanna install it, and u got deadlines, it means you might have missed a few devils in the detail ;0
21:48<bgat>nutterpc: so now you're going to rub it in, too? :)
21:48<nutterpc>no i have a mouthful of food
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21:52<bgat>actually, I'm trying to find the trade space between risks of continuing to force an Android build in 32-bit land vs. the effort to set up a 64-bit chroot; your information suggests I'm better off leaving things as they are now until after I'm past my deadline. So even though I don't have a 64-bit chroot, I still am grateful for your information.
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21:53<ussa>I'm trying to isntall nvidia drivers,and the manual says that when I have exit the X server I must "terminate all OpenGL applications" how do I do that?
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22:04<chealer>!tell ussa about nvidia-installer
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22:06<andres_>hi, I hit alt+ctrl+f1 and now I don't know how to come back to X server :S hahhaa :D
22:06<kingsley>Try alt+ctl+f7
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22:07<andres_>ok ty
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22:08<xdlogo>how to root
22:08<xdlogo>get root
22:08<xdlogo>i mean
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22:09<worellana>xdlogo, "su" in command line without quotes
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22:09<ussa>I'm trying to isntall nvidia drivers,and it the manual says that when I have exit the X server I must "terminate all OpenGL applications" how do I do that?
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22:12<xdlogo>汉语 ?
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22:13<lixhell>is this japanise???
22:13<abrotman>no, english please
22:14<lixhell>only 4 know
22:14<xdlogo>it chinses
22:14<xdlogo>it's chinese
22:14<lixhell>good, thx
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22:18<lixhell>someone using fglrx with squeeze?
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22:20<lixhell>someone using fglrx with squeeze?
22:20<abrotman>you just asked that
22:21<Gerowen>I am
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22:22<Gerowen>lixhell: I installed fglrx via the instructions on this page and it worked fine for me,
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22:24<chealer>dpkg: nvidia-installer
22:24<dpkg>from memory, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>.
22:24<chealer>ussa: ^^
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22:29<lixhell>I installed fglrx via the instructions on page , but in my computer, only a black display
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22:31<ussa>21:24 < dpkg> from memory, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to
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22:34<lixhell>Gerowen, are you using DKMS ou fglrx-source??
22:34<lixhell>you made module-assistent a-i fglrx
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22:35<ussa>chealer: so you are saying I should not use nvidia installer?
22:36<Gerowen>lixhell: I believe DKMS, the fglrx-source package isn't even installed.
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22:37<chealer>ussa: yes
22:37<lixhell>you change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf over # aticonfig --initial ????
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22:38<lixhell>are you edit this file????
22:38<ussa>any idea when the latest release of nvidia drivers will be avaible to install the debian way?
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22:40<lixhell>better >>>> you edited this file???
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22:41<ussa>recommended mail client?
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22:42<kop>ussa: They all suck, in one way or another. I tend to use balsa. YMMV.
22:43<chealer>ussa: it already is.
22:43<chealer>!info nvidia-glx
22:43<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 260.19.44-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3196 kB, Installed size: 9740 kB
22:45<ussa>chealer: which version, 195.36.31-6?
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22:50<lixhell>Gerowen, in your system exist the directory /usr/src/modules/fglrx/ ???
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22:52<Gerowen>lixhell: Negative
22:54<lixhell>ok, and /usr/src/modules/????
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22:59<lixhell>ok, i go try again
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23:11<Gerowen>lixhell: No modules folder either.
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23:44<randall_>hi everyone
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23:45<randall_>i'm new to linux and I'm having a problem installing NVIDIA drivers
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23:45<randall_>using these instructions:
23:46<randall_>I get E: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernal-common
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23:51<chealer>dpkg: kernal
23:51<dpkg>*KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*
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