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---Logopened Thu Apr 14 00:00:02 2011
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00:07<nevyn>!package irrxml
00:10<nevyn>I'd expect something like that to have a package already.
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00:12<Arrowmaster>it doesnt
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00:12<nevyn>you're right.
00:13<nevyn>it's not reassuring when it's using strcmp but anyway...
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00:15<aussa>I'm trying to install irrxml because I think it will fix this error, what do you think?--->external/irrxml-1.2/CMakeFiles/irrXML.dir/flags.make:6: *** missing separator. Stop.
00:15<aussa>make[1]: *** [external/irrxml-1.2/CMakeFiles/irrXML.dir/all] Error 2
00:15<aussa>make: *** [all] Error 2
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00:16<nevyn>what are you trying to build there?
00:18<aussa>I already "cmake ../"
00:18<aussa>and now I'm trying to "make"
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00:19<nevyn>so yeah that's a dependancy on irrxml
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00:19<k_oz>Herro, I'm from China!
00:20<diego>hey there, I'm trying to configure one time passwords on ssh only (not locally) with opie-server and my problem is that
00:20<diego>it will accept the one time password or the real password
00:20<diego>and I want the user to be forced to type both correctly
00:20<diego>(not just one, they should need both)
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00:20<nevyn>diego: configure pam correctly.
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00:20<k_oz>We Chinese people make one strong password. Two too hard to remember!
00:21<diego>nevyn: yes, can you help me with that
00:21<diego>auth required ... then ... auth require ... then ... auth required ...
00:21<diego>that in /etc/pam.d/common-auth
00:22<diego>and it still takes one
00:22<nevyn>and there's no auth sufficient?
00:22<nevyn>auth required
00:22<diego>so, I need both to be correct
00:23<diego>auth sufficient and required are letting pass with one correct
00:23<diego>I need the password and the otp
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00:24<k_oz>sufficiency is based on strong passwords that are at least 69 characters in length... Coincidentally I did that with my wife not too long ago because my penis too small
00:25<nevyn>diego: here's the problem.
00:25<k_oz>A Chinese penis is not like a huge American penis.
00:25<nevyn>!ops k_oz
00:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: k_oz
00:26<nevyn>diego: here's the problem.
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00:26<k_oz>What I do, u all are racist towards Chinese people
00:26<diego>btw k_oz, I am not american
00:26<diego>just fyi
00:27<k_oz>I am from China and came to America
00:27<nevyn>diego: I think you need the second one to be binding
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00:28<diego>nevyn: do you know how is that ? I'm not really familiar with pam.d configuration
00:28<k_oz>Diego is american
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00:28<diego>I wish I was American, I'm from Argentina :P but I like USA more
00:29<ayaka>I want to know how to kill a defunc prossser and I don't want to wait init
00:30<k_oz>Isn't Argentina in the continent of America. We Chinese have saying for that, study geography and memorize so you will be wise
00:30<diego>k_oz: depends if you think America and Latin America being the same continent, if you see a map, its actually divided
00:31<nevyn>diego: auth requisite
00:31<k_oz>Yes north and south
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00:31<diego>k_oz: see a map, under mexico, is actually divided, some people consider that two different continents
00:31<nevyn>diego: so you want auth requisite pam_unix (you MUST have a unix password) then auth required pam_opie
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00:32<nevyn>requisite before required.
00:32<k_oz>But America is America, even people from South America agree. I have many friends who are from Chile and consider themselves Americans
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00:32<aussa>i don't
00:32<diego>nevyn: so, I first *requisite* pam_unix, then *required* pam_opie ?
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00:33<diego>k_oz: most of the world think of US citizens (not even canadians) when you say "Americans", cause US citizens like calling themselfs just "Americans" :P
00:34<nevyn>diego: actually both as required would also work I think.
00:34<diego>let me try :)
00:34<nevyn>but I can't find auth require anywhere.
00:34<k_oz>diego: stupid Americans :P
00:34<Gerowen>I heard a joke one time, Canada is like the loft apartment one floor above a really good party, :p
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00:35*nevyn just heard a good joke...
00:35<k_oz>Why do Chinese people have small penis?
00:35<nevyn>2 mathematicians are standing outside a bar.. they observer 2 people go into the bar and sometime later 3 people come out of the bar..
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00:35<nevyn>one mathamtician turns to the other and says "if one person goes in it'll be empty."
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00:36<k_oz>what will be empty?
00:37<diego>nevyn: hehehe
00:38<aussa>that was it?
00:39*vook requests a kick
00:39<nevyn>diego: so how's it going with both as required or one as requisite then required?
00:39<k_oz>You will need microscope to kick my Chinese balls
00:40<vook>I suppose an ignore will do
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00:40<nevyn>vook: the math joke isn't that bad...
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00:41<k_oz>I will leave because ignorance towards Chinese will not be tolerable
00:42<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
00:42<nevyn>!ops k_oz is spamming
00:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: k_oz is spamming
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00:42<diego>k_oz: they have small penis because they keep bothering people on technical chats instead of using them to have sex... so they don't need a big one
00:44<nevyn>diego: so how goes your pam problem?
00:45<diego>oh, I actually have to try in the other laptop ... bummer
00:45<diego>seems that opie_server is not in debian 64 bits
00:45<diego>(I have a debian 32 bits, I was gonna use it there)
00:46<diego>why isnt opie-server in debian x64 :(
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00:51<diego>nevyn: not ported in wheezy, will get it from squeeze and try
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00:58<aussa>I've modified fstab several times without being able to make a NTFS partition open for all users, I've used "user,rw,noauto" and "defaults", any advice?
01:00<jm_>you need umask or uid/gid, not user
01:00<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
01:01<jm_>uid/gid are not needed with the right fmask/dmask
01:01<diego>nevyn: won't login :(
01:02<diego># @include common-auth
01:02<diego>auth required nullok_secure
01:02<diego>auth required
01:02<diego>auth requisite
01:02<diego>auth required
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01:02<diego>heh, kicked for copygin
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01:02<diego>copying ...
01:03<diego>nevyn: I did this in /etc/pam.d/sshd ---
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01:06<nevyn>diego: try requisite then required
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01:10<diego>nevyn: weird behaviour ... so, it will first ask my unix pass and I have to type it correctly to pass ... so far is ok
01:10<diego>then it asks the challenge
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01:11<diego>if I dont type correctly it goes back
01:11<diego>so far so good
01:11<diego>but after that it will ask the unix password again
01:11<diego>only this time
01:11<diego>my password wont work
01:11<diego>and I cannot access
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01:16<aussa>I added this: ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222, now I get an error
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01:16<aussa>to fstab
01:19<diego>with sufficient on both it will work if one of the passwords is correct
01:19<diego>but the other can be wrong
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01:21<aussa>what "man" do I do to get info about what uid and fmask and dmask, etc
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01:22<jm_>aussa: man mount
01:22<aussa>ok ty
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01:25<Arrowmaster>i dont think you want to combine user and auto
01:26<aussa>I changed auto to noauto
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01:27<diego>anyone with pam.d configuration experience :D ?
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01:29<aussa>turns out there is no fmask and dmask for ntfs, if my reading is good, but I don't understand what the numbers stand for, I mean, it says what uid, gid and umask do, but I don't know what numbers should I use...
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01:36<aussa>this is the error i get: Error opening '/dev/sda5': Permission denied
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01:37<aussa>this is the error i get: Error opening '/dev/sda5': Permission denied
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01:39<nevyn>aussa: run id <your username>
01:40<aussa>what number should go in umask?
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01:44<nevyn>umask 022
01:45<aussa>ty, brb
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01:47<aussa>get the same error: Error opening '/dev/sda5': Permission denied
01:47<aussa>Failed to mount '/dev/sda5': Permission denied
01:47<aussa>Please check '/dev/sda5' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions
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01:48<nevyn>why are you trying to make that user mountable?
01:48<nevyn>just mount it at system start.
01:49<aussa>I have my music in there, when I open rythmbox, it can't find it by itself
01:50<nevyn>run mount /dev/sda5 as root
01:50<nevyn>or with sudo
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01:50<nevyn>user mounting isn't for this problem really.
01:50<aussa>I can enter there without writing anything in fstab, but I need root pass
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01:51<aussa>mmm... what if I sudo rythmbox?
01:52<nevyn>that's a bad move.
01:52<nevyn>this is a partition on your system hdd right?
01:53<nevyn>it's not an external media player or usb hdd or anything
01:53<nevyn>just set it up to mount when the system starts.
01:53<nevyn>and then point rhythmbox at the directory where it's mounted.
01:56<aussa>ok, never mind, thank you anyway, I will do it manually everytime, good night... :P, bye
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02:30<Georgie>how do u install aircrack-ng
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02:42<ompaul>failed :)
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02:47<chaos>according to netstat -ap some ports are monitored for incoming connections but nmap (nmap -p 1-65535 -PN) says all ports filtered ... how come?
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03:13<mutante>iptables -L
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03:21<anonymous>hey there
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03:21<anonymous>anybody using system info monitor? (proc)
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03:51<Gerowen>I'm trying to install a program that came in rpm form with alien, when I run alien on it as root it says it generated a deb, but I can't seem to find it. Any ideas?
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03:56<jm_>doesn't it say "foo.deb" generated?
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03:58<Gerowen>Yeah it said it generated it, but there was no deb file there though. I think I've solved my problem though, I was trying to find a frontend for snes9x, when apparently zsnes is in the repos for squeeze, just not for 64 bit, I had to do a search of it on the website for the 32bit deb.
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04:00<Gerowen>Hmmm, so apparently it has a ton of 32bit dependencies, which I don't feel like messing with.
04:00<jm_>snes9x-x seems to depend on X libs
04:00<Gerowen>yeah i had the x-snes9x package installed, but it was cli only
04:01<Gerowen>Not that I'm against that, but I was hoping for a GUI, guess I'll have to write some stuff up myself.
04:01<jm_>ahh I see, you want a GUI to open files etc.
04:02<Gerowen>Yep, anyway I'm off to bed, gotta be up in a bit, later!
04:02*Gerowen waves goodbye.
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04:02<jm_>multi-arch support will take care of issues like this
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05:00<vasta>ciao a tutti
05:00<vasta>ho un problema con l'installazione di debian squeeze
05:00<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:01<babilen>vasta: Or speak English here :)
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05:01<fl0w>hi, what is the best way to replace an "=" character using sed?
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05:01<babilen>fl0w: s/=/bar ?
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05:02<fl0w>didn't work
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05:02<babilen>fl0w: Hanging on the couch again, eh?
05:02<cannesahs>'s/=/bar/' ?
05:03<babilen>fl0w: echo "foo="|sed s/=/+/ → foo+ -- What is the problem?
05:03<fl0w>it works, thx babilen
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05:43<armani>i'm hoping someone can help me out, i'm trying to install amd64 squeeze on an msi u230 netbook, but it keeps hanging when i partition the drive
05:43<armani>any ideas? thanks in advance.
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05:44<quietone>newbie here, wondering how to make my laptop top screen look 'nicer'. It looks much better in ubuntu. where should I be reading?
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05:46<devil>quietone: umh, niceness is a bit irrelevant in debian, i am afraid :)
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05:47<devil>but the usual gnome or kde ressources like kde-look or the like might help
05:48<quietone>devil, I use gnome, what resources do you mean?
05:48<devil>i know less than nothing about gnome :(
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05:50<quietone>could it be a driver thing?
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05:51<babilen>quietone: It is a difference in the Gnome theme between Debian and Ubuntu. Try installing a theme you like.
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05:53<babilen>quietone: "apt-cache search gnome theme" should list some packages and you can certainly look at resources like -- The ubuntu theme is called ambiance/radiance
05:53<quietone>babilen, I have tried many themes and downloaded some others. It is always the font that looks wrong. I've tried all the available fonts as well
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05:55<babilen>quietone: *shrug* -- No idea which font Ubuntu is using. Ask them and configure your system to use it (#ubuntu on
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05:59<quietone>babilen, shrug is a good word for this. radiance look yucky here and fine in ubuntu
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06:16<tt>hey guys i get error about in my update or installing a packages firmware-b43-installer wat should i do?
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06:19<Torsten_W>and the error is a secret?
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06:31<tt>here is the error
06:31<tt>Setting up firmware-b43-installer ( ...
06:31<tt>Not supported low-power chip with PCI id 14e4:4315!
06:31<tt>dpkg: error processing firmware-b43-installer (--configure):
06:31<dpkg>tt: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
06:31<tt> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
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06:34<jm_>hehe I love this one
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06:39<mjt>"that isn't an error" :)
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06:43<quietone>download 4 themes from and only 1 will installed (with problems) grrrrrr
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07:46<Kvant>it does?
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07:49<babilen>Kvant: it does not
07:50*Kvant thought so too
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07:57<afiredp1>how to change screen resolution in cui
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07:58<jm_>!xorg config
07:58<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>.
07:59<afiredp1>not install xorg just cui console
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08:00<babilen>afiredp1: Edit /etc/default/grub -- and read the info page mentioned in there.
08:00<jm_>the same is true for console if KMS is used - graphic card driver/monitor set it
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08:00<jm_>otherwise you can use kernel parameters to set it
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08:05<afiredp1>not working jiut grub has change console still 1600*1200
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08:08<ml|>and after run update-grub2
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08:08<Torsten_W>ml|, update-grub
08:08<Torsten_W>there is no update-grub2
08:09<afiredp1>yes i know
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08:09<jm_>there is - it calls update-grub :)
08:09<ml|>update-grub2: /usr/sbin/update-grub2 right
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08:10<ml|>just used to it why I run update-grub2
08:10<Torsten_W>that's only a symlink to update-grub
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08:10<jm_>not in squeeze
08:11<afiredp1>If you change this file, run 'update-grub' afterwards to update
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08:11<afiredp1>i see
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08:23<mali>hey there.. so I installed squeeze but with sid in mind; I have put JFS fs on LVM.. and so I did a 13 s/squeeze/sid and
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08:24<mali>have a few broken dependencies bla bla... I also got some 404s doing it this way (I enabled all free, non free ssources)... openoffice core has tog o, which is fine as I intended to go libreoffice.. but there were 3 more things... any hmm guidance or do I just shoot
08:25<themill>mali: you probably need to upgrade to wheezy first and then upgrade to sid.
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08:26<mali>ok so I do s/sid/wheezy now then so to speak?
08:27<mali>jI can replace all 13 occurrences of <distro_codename> with each other
08:27<themill>13? that sounds excessive.
08:27<mali>well that was including the commented parts I guess
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08:28<mali>ye makes it 10 withough them
08:28<mali>mind you, I enabled all sources (free, non free contrib too)
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08:29<mali>also, hmm, for a server testbed.. I chose jfs as it seemed to have an overall better performance than ext3, although I do not know vs., ext4... can I run ext4 on a different partition/ and does jfs have utils to understand that partition? (when I tried to format a partition with ext4 it failed, I had to format the disk to get it working)
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08:33<jm_>you can mix filesystems as you want on different partitions/devices/whatever
08:33<mali>well, I don't get 404s with wheezy at least, now , I was a bit silly as I installed xchat to come on here, but after I had updated the sid sources ;p .. but it was only 3 packages.. so uninstall those 3, run the dist upgrade now... so I don't risk sillyness due to these packs? I presume yes?
08:34<mali>jm_, yes.. but can jfs read ext4 partitions I meant? I was a bit silly and didn't lok into it as I went apeball earlier over a kernel compile which just kept failing :P
08:34<mali>as in can I mount them with no issues
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08:35<mali>I am setting up a debian server in august and just wish to get my feet et now with various things
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08:36<jm_>mali: no of course not
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08:37<mali>well, why 'of course not' ntfs-g for exmaple provides means for the ext4 to well kernel to read and mount ntfs partitions, so one could think the same perhaps between ext4/jfs
08:38<jm_>no, you misunderstand things - ntfs, ntfs-3g, ext4, jfs are all indepdndent of each other
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08:38<mali>so ntfs-3g is a layer on top of ntfs on which ext4 can write into and it gets 'translated'?
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08:39<wxg4debian>hi everyone ! debian 6 installed on my pc , I can't run gui application in crontab
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08:39<mali>that's how what you just said, sounds to me .. in which case, oh by the way, can jfs then utilise ntfs-3g?
08:39<jm_>no, kernel has a layer called VFS, ext4 is nto involved at all when it comes to ntfs file system
08:39<wxg4debian>who can help me?
08:40<mali>hmm ok jm_ ye, filesystems ain't my best concept when it comes to grasping
08:40<jm_>wxg4debian: that's normal since those typically expect that DISPLAY variable is set
08:40<wxg4debian>how can I add localhost in xhost'list
08:41<wxg4debian>thanks jm_
08:41<jm_>you don't need to add localhost
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08:43<wxg4debian>if run "xhost +" then application run ok. but after reboot , it can't
08:44<jm_>are you running it as a different user?
08:44<wxg4debian>not root
08:44<jm_>if it's the same user who has started X server you shouldn't need this
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08:46<wxg4debian>Ii am sorry . same user,
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08:48<jm_>then try to run the app as foo -display :0
08:48<wxg4debian>run "xhost"
08:48<wxg4debian>--access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
08:48<wxg4debian>run 'who'
08:48<wxg4debian>--wxg tty7 2011-04-14 20:17 (:0
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08:52<jm_>and if that doesn't help, setting XAUTHORITY shall do the trick
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08:56<mali>hmm, changing to wheezy also gives the same dependency issues
08:57<mali>I don't mind removing if I can re-add them or so, but kinda crap if I have to remove the whole OO package for... hmm what... an error or for a good reason?
08:57<mali>am I cheeky and try apt-get dist-upgrade or? :P
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08:58<themill>mali: why are you trying to run sid at all? These are pretty common problems to see with transitions going on in sid, and users of sid should know enough about debian and its development to know how to deal with them.
08:59<mali>because, I would like a distro I feel happy with and at the moment I can't "find myself in one" and I wish to play around with two sets, one squeeze and one sid
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08:59<mali>sid for shitgiggles, squeeze to do my serious stuff
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09:00<mali>but fair enougb point
09:00<stderr>Maybe testing would be a better choice?
09:00<nevyn>testing is pretty broken right now.
09:00<mali>ye, perhaps.. but many debian mates tol dme, stable o runstable
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09:01<mali>hey again nevyn
09:01<mali>I did indeed just do a full reinstall, and set up LVM and JFS lol
09:01*nevyn found his small condensor mic's
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09:01<nevyn>they've only been in the house somewhere for 6 months or so.
09:02<mali>oh by the way.. if I could propose to those who make the installers.. a useful consideration would be to put the option somehow to override the dd if=/dev/urandom of=dev/sda say, before encryption, as I had happened to have already nulled out my disk not long ago with squeeze, since not put anything of any relevance on, and if I wanted encypted LVM I would go through that horribly lon g process again.. just a thought
09:03<mali>haha.. and what do you use them for nevyn ?
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09:04<nevyn>I'm currently re-validating my setup because I havn't used my new laptop for recording in anger so I'm just tracking the room which is supprisingly noisy.
09:04<nevyn>the clock and heater are particularly bad.
09:04<nevyn>but I suspect the laptop is in the pickup zone of the a-b pair as well
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09:04<nevyn>but mostly I'm verifying that ardour can track for 10-15minutes without xruns
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09:04<mali>SO HILARIOoops sorry
09:05<mali>didn't notice .. :/
09:05<mali>I swear I'd sleep next to an aeroplane runway ahead of sitting in a room with such a comp all day :P
09:06<mali>you know a-b would also be considered acid/base , whcih is a typical method in organic chemistry to extract say. drugs
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09:07<mali>which, when I think about it, would often utilise a non-polar solvent like kerosene, which happens to be airplane fuel hmm
09:08<mali>the plot thickens.. anyway.. each time I am here, it seems one is rather slapped for something than helped.. except for you nevyn earlier.. cheers.. I will go and just sort things out, it is obviously a read about, but I just wasn't used to upgrading before :/
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09:09*nevyn has a emergency lart it's around here somewhere...
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09:09<mali>so do you like ham radioing too nevyn ?
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09:11*nevyn has a licence
09:11<nevyn>i really should get off my butt and do the advance upgrade.
09:12<nevyn>I've been procrastinating after getting to the material about transmission line transformers and not getting it.
09:12<mali>of what.. and what is lart.. and what license?
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09:12<mali>so you do DSP or something?
09:12<mjt>. o O { little animal lart }
09:13<mali>so whoever asked abouyt why unstable.. would they propose just diong arch then?
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09:14<mali>I thought learning about debian comes quicker from sid than stable
09:14<mali>tbh.. and I get a feel for both approaches
09:15<nevyn>mali: LART Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool (also known as a clue by four)
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09:15*mali suspects too few times on irc to get the various subtle jargon
09:16<mali>DSP being Digital signal processing
09:16<mali>not some Donkey Sucks Peas
09:16<mali>or so :p
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09:18<nevyn>I knew what DSP was.
09:18<nevyn>mali: ham radio licence upgrade.
09:18<mali>ye, I assumed so, but just thought I'd double
09:18<babilen>!lart mali
09:18*dpkg judo chops mali
09:18<babilen>mali: ^^^ that is "lart"
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09:19*mali pokes a ,,!,, @ robo-dpkg
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09:19*mali also chucks him to the crocs.. and watches safely over the wall _,,,___Oo____,,,__
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09:21<mali>I never can stay on-topic.. it's such a tradition :/
09:21<babilen>mali: You might want to idle in #moocows or #debian-offtopic in that case. Please keep it on-topic here. :)
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09:22<mali>hehe... like
09:22<mali>!lart babilen
09:22*dpkg duct-tapes babilen to the floor and drools on him
09:22<mali>sure xD
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09:27<mali>I wish I hadn't thrown away a bunch of my old comps... could be useful for a distcc and gentoo ftw
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09:44<mjt>a bunch of old comps can be replaced with just a single core of a current comp, so they aren't very useful as distcc hosts... :)
09:45<nevyn>that one....
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10:20<sml>!seen golgotha
10:20<dpkg>i haven't seen 'golgotha', sml
10:20<sml>afternoon folks.
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10:20<sml>what is the de facto way of keeping user accounts in sync between multiple debian boxes.
10:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 491] by debhelper
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10:24<costas>sml, check here:
10:25<sml>costas: ty
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10:26<Zaba>I wonder, can debian's installer handle those 4KB sector HDDs correctly? I've heard they need partitions to be aligned properly to have normal performance or something.
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10:26<nevyn>Zaba: the situation is kinda messed up
10:26<Zaba>with regard to what?
10:27<nevyn>4k sectors.
10:27<nevyn>there was an article on lwn this week.
10:28<nevyn>Zaba: the problem is. nobody's doing 4k sectors natively
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10:29<nevyn>Zaba: they're doing 512b sector emulation on 4k sector drives
10:30<Zaba>well, okay, so one needs to align partitions to each four sectors rather than single sectors?
10:30<nevyn>but it get's worse.
10:31<Zaba>right, 8.
10:31<nevyn>because the mbr and first sector of partitions are 'special' and would mess this alignment up.
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10:31<nevyn>some drives detect sector0 and map it magically as a 512b sector and start 4k alignment at the 512b offset of the disk/partion
10:32<nevyn>some do similar "magic" for partitions
10:32<nevyn>some don't.
10:32<Zaba>uh oh.
10:32<nevyn>see how this get's nasty fast.
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10:33<Zaba>well, *I* am not even sure whether my drive is actually a 4KB-sector one. It's a WD caviar green and has notices regarding "advanced format", so I just sort of assumed that it is :P
10:33<nevyn>advanced format is 4k sectors
10:33<nevyn>with 512 byte emulation
10:33<Zaba>yeah, but doesn't tell me much about what magic beyond that it does and does not perform.
10:33<nevyn>your drive is absolutely 4k sectors on the physical media
10:34<nevyn>welcome to the 3rd circle of hell
10:34<Zaba>so how do I properly install a debian on it?
10:34<mjt>nevyn: that "detect sector0" stuff is controlled with a jumper usually
10:34<nevyn>mjt: really how.. quaint
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10:34<nevyn>a jumper. on hardware.
10:35<nevyn>mjt: like it's good to know it's configurable somehow but ...
10:35<nevyn>a smart parameter might have been more living in the 21st century right.
10:35<mjt>wdNNears drives has that jumper to add one 512-byte sector to all offsets the host sends.
10:36<nevyn>mjt: I consider jumpers kinda.. 20th century ;)
10:37<mjt>lots of people trapped by that - they _both_ did the right alignment AND set that jumper, thinking "two things should be better than one", just to discover their drives are way too slow... ;)
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10:38<jhutchins_lt>Tip: Don't optimize your hardware based on things you see on irc or some random forum.
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10:42<costas>jhutchins, you're right, too many peeps nowadays just read something on the web and after they mess up their system come here for the magic trick that will save them...
10:42<Zaba>nevyn, I understand that the industry's messed things up once again, but what should I do to have the drive work okay?
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10:43<nevyn>Zaba: find what the kernel expects? (it almost certainly wants the disk to be stupid as possible and not do magic things)
10:43<costas>hello viliny
10:43<viliny>Whats the best method of installing nvidia drivers on debian?
10:43<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
10:43<nevyn>Zaba: configure your disk to be notmagic.
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10:43<viliny>thank you costas
10:43<nevyn>Zaba: align on 4k boundaries relative to the startofdisk
10:43<costas>viliny, I always use proprietary drivers to get openGL support though...
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10:44<costas>try the nvidia wiki on the web, it works...
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10:44<mjt>Zaba: current debian will align partitions properly. so just ensure you do NOT have that 'compatibility jumper' and let debian to do the work of paritioning your drive
10:44<Zaba>this drive (WD5000AADS) doesn't seem to have any jumpers related to that
10:45<costas>viliny, make sure to identify correctly your vga...
10:46<viliny>costas, yes... i know what card i have - if that is what you ment
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10:46<mjt>Zaba: and why do you think it's a 4k-sector-size drive? I highly doubt they made advanced-format drives with capacity less than 1Tb...
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10:46<Zaba>mjt, it says "advanced format" everywhere on its packaging
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10:47<costas>viliny, just follow the wiki closely and you'll be allright,
10:48<nevyn>mjt: advanced format == 4k sectors
10:48<Zaba>mjt, good to know that it will be handled correctly, though. Saves me a bunch of trouble :>
10:48<Zaba>thanks for the information
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10:49<mjt>Zaba: apparently the vendor disagrees ;)
10:49<mjt>AADS drives are plain old 512-byte sectors
10:49<Zaba>mjt, well, that'd save me even more trouble :P
10:50<viliny>costas good so far :)
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10:50<Zaba>mjt, kind of odd, why'd it be in a packaging that says advanced format then?
10:51<Zaba>guess I'll find out when I get to installing a system on it
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10:52<jhutchins_lt>Gentlemen, if you wish to continue this hardware discussion that has nothing to do with Debian, may I suggest ##hardware or at least #debian-offtopic?
10:52<jhutchins_lt>I know the channel's quiet but you are still totally off-topic.
10:52<nevyn>srsly when did hardware for isntalling linux/debian become OT?
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10:53<Zaba>jhutchins_lt, I guess we kind of drifted away from the debian-related stuff :> Sorry about that.
10:53<mjt>Zaba: I really am not sure. AADS is an older series (up to 750Gb capacity), they had no models with AF before. Maybe WD modified that series but it's also very doubtfully - AF or non-AF is quite a serious change
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10:54<mjt>oh, they also have 800Gb model of AADS :)
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10:57<viliny>how do i restart gdm?
10:57<viliny>invoke-rc.d gdm restart doesn't seem to do it
10:58<mjt>Zaba: try googling for "WD5000AADS advanced format" and see for yourself. It's sad WD does not provide any hints for AF in their docs on the site (, "specifications" link)
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10:59<Zaba>mjt, well, I'm going to install debian on it this friday or weekend. For science!
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11:00<viliny>/etc/init.d/gdm restart doesn't work either...
11:00<viliny>neither does ctrl+alt+backspace
11:00<viliny>help :]
11:01<mjt>c+a+bs only works when you enabled it in keyboard configuration
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11:01<costas>viliny, you use gdm3?
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11:01<costas>or gdm
11:01<viliny>i just installed debian, you tell me :)
11:02<costas>you installed the nvidia driver?
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11:03<costas>there is an xconfig app, have you read the entire wiki?
11:03<viliny>all done :)
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11:03<costas>if the module is loaded, just reboot your machine, and you're set to go
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11:03<viliny>but i was wondering how to just restart gdm
11:03<costas>use: man gdm3
11:03<costas>or man gdm for details
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11:04<costas>if you have the latest Debian installed you have gdm3...
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11:05<mjt>you'll have to kill your current x session
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11:06<slush>either /etc/init.d/gdm restart or /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart is suffice
11:06<viliny>now my resolution is native
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11:06<viliny>gdm3 did the trick... or somewhat. went to tty1 and did startx cos i got a black screen with restart
11:06<costas>told ya it's a piece of cake nowdays...
11:06<viliny>but um, the nvidia configuration tool that comes with ubuntu, is that a possiblity here? would like to configure my second screen
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11:07<slush>you can use gnome's own monitor configuration tool (System -> Preferences -> Monitors)
11:07<costas>if you have updated your sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) you'll find all related nvidia packages including the nvidia-settings...
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11:08<viliny>yes, installed that now...
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11:08<viliny>sweeet :) thanks guys
11:09<costas>no problemo viliny glad you made it flawlessly
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11:09<viliny>yes, i screwed up my ubuntu royally by installing the nvidia drivers from - got tired of all the problems i had with ubuntu including suspend not working etc etc... so i thought id just switch to debian :)
11:10<M>hey whats the right way to get java on debian?
11:10<M>i looked through apt but there was openjdk is that the same?
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11:11<nevyn>M: there's sun java in non-free(maybe in main now)
11:11<costas>Ubuntu is messy... you'd be better off with Debian viliny
11:11<viliny>yes :)
11:11<M>oh i remember now
11:11<M>is that the contrib thing?
11:12<M>in sources.list
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11:12<sney>M: correct.
11:12<M>i just change main?
11:12<nevyn>it's the non-free thing
11:12<sney>judd: versions sun-java6-jre
11:12<judd>Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.24-1~squeeze1; sid/non-free: 6.24-1; wheezy/non-free: 6.24-1
11:12<nevyn>rather than the contrib thing which is different
11:12<M>hmm where did i get contrib from
11:13<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
11:13<sney>generally when you add 'non-free' to a repository line you also add 'contrib'. ^ yeah, they tend to be interdependent.
11:13<themill>M: contrib also exists but for slightly different reasons. If you have "non-free" in your sources.list, you may as well enable contrib too.
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11:14<costas>I use a huge sources list found on the linux fora... if you want it just ask...
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11:15<viliny>anyone know any good audio players with support?
11:15<viliny>neither last.exit nor vagalume seems to work... i know i use vagalume on my phone :/
11:15<costas>rythmbox (comes with gnome)
11:16<berto>viliny: are you a subscriber?
11:16<viliny>yes berto
11:16<viliny>and grooveshark too :)
11:16<berto>well, vagalume at least does work, I've been using it today
11:16<costas>try rythmbox, it supports viliny
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11:17<costas>it's nice and fast
11:17<viliny>using rythmbox now, music just started playing <3
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11:19<jgarvey>does anyone know why rhel and debian file(1) commands return different exit codes when the files doesn't exist, despite being the same version of the file command?
11:19<viliny>i like how everything on my screen is small, unlike ubuntu where it seems everything hogs a lot of screen space
11:19<jgarvey>file 5.04
11:20<jgarvey>I suspect either debian 'fixes' file or rhel is doing something very strange.
11:20<sney>jgarvey: yeah, someone must have patched it. you'd have to look at the source to know for sure
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11:21<jhutchins_lt>jgarvey: Just goes to show you how much version numbers mean across distributions.
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11:21<jgarvey>I'm trying to figure out if this is a debianism (which I'm all for) or a rhel-ism.
11:21<sney>apt-get source file
11:21<jhutchins_lt>jgarvey: What would the definitive version be?
11:22<jhutchins_lt>jgarvey: One could be SysV derived, one could be from bsd.
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11:22<jgarvey>I'd think both were from gnu... but the bsd might make sense in terms of what debian supports.
11:22<viliny>how can i install latest wine beta on debian? on ubuntu theres a repository add and then you can install 1.3 from there... but this seems to be a bit trickier with debian
11:23<towo`>install playonlinux
11:23<towo`>then you can use nearly every version, you want
11:23<viliny>is that free?
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11:24<sney>free to use, anyway. don't know about the licensing. but it just seems to be a wine wrapper anyway.
11:24<jhutchins_lt>viliny: What does the "latest wine beta" do that the wine instable doesn't?
11:25<towo`>sney, playonlinux is in debian main
11:25<towo`>so it's free
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11:25<viliny>jhutchins, as far as i can tell those are the same thing
11:26<graphox>my computer has just crashed when i was surfing a site with few graphic effects, and it's not the first time since i've installed debian (= yesterday). I use the testing (Wheezy) repository. Do you know if the xorg drivers are buged ?
11:26<sney>jhutchins_lt: several things mostly to do with compatibility in games released after 2006. iirc, the reason debian's wine stops at 1.0.1 is because the maintainers could not build higher versions on arches other than i386
11:26<jhutchins_lt>graphox: I wonder why they call that version "testing"?
11:27<manishe>graphox: which site?
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11:27<sney>towo`: it's in contrib.
11:27<costas>graphox, give us the site to doublecheck
11:27<graphox>jhutchins, i use for 2 years the testing repos and i nerver had a similary problem
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11:28<graphox>manishe, costas : very simple site, juste some javascript effects.
11:29<costas>well, the java scripts might be malwritten, give us the link and we'll check it for ya...
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11:29<sney>graphox: anyway, the direct answer to your question about buggy xorg drivers is that bugs are organized on and that would give you a much clearer picture than we can.
11:29<graphox>i had the same problem with the french debian forum
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11:30<jhutchins_lt>graphox: The testing repo has been squeeze for the last two years. Now it's wheezy, it's unfrozen, and there are a lot of changes happening.
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11:30<graphox>is it possible to "downgrade" my packages ?
11:30<jhutchins_lt>graphox: You should use testing to test the new release, find bugs, and report them. If you need a machine for day-to-day use you should use stable.
11:30<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
11:31<costas>we debianized people went through hell waiting for the flashplugin for amd64... but now it's all ok
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11:31<costas>graphox, I suggest stable as well... do a fresh install and you'll be ok
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11:32<graphox>Ok, thanks jhutchins. i think i'll reinstall debian again. When, yesterday, i was doing an upgrade (with wheezy), kwin and plasma had crashed, i didn't think testing repos was so unstable :/
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11:33<lord_rob>graphox: does x server crash too ?
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11:34<graphox>I don't know, i juste know that i couldn't switch to a TTY, all was blocked. I had to pressed the power button
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11:35<viliny>is it ok if playonlinux takes ages to update?
11:35<graphox>(but i could move my cursor)
11:35<viliny>im sitting on a 100mbps line here
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11:36<lord_rob>graphox: you mean on x ?
11:36<sney>viliny: the bottleneck is at the other end surely
11:36<lord_rob>or in a tty ??
11:36<viliny>sney, fair enough
11:36<graphox>CTRL ALT F1 did nothing
11:36<costas>viliny, I used to work on 56kbit modem lines for years... be patient
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11:37<graphox>Maybe i can find a log somewhere ?
11:37<costas>graphox, try /var/logs
11:37<viliny>costas, my first connection was a 33,6 - im not that young either :)
11:37<lord_rob>hmmm, do you use framebuffer when you boot, graphox ?
11:37<graphox>what it is ?
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11:38<lord_rob>direct access to display cards memory
11:38<jhutchins_lt>graphox: Testing gets more and more stable as it nears release (that's what makes it ready to release), conversely it's pretty unstable at the beginning of the cycle.
11:39<graphox>i don't know sorry, i have juste installed debian and some little packages
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11:40<jhutchins_lt>graphox: framebuffer gves you some graphics capability without a full xserever. Most of the newer graphics drivers need it for kernel-mode-switching.
11:40<lord_rob>graphox: I'm not 200% sure of what I'm saying, just that if you boot with framebuffer/drm, you already have graphics mode on your tty's
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11:40<graphox>now, if i press ctrl alt f1, i'm sending on a black terminal, the normal situation.
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11:41<costas>testing means trouble for newbies graphox... imagine a framebuffer not working, that means you're left with an unusable system...
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11:41<lord_rob>and does it work if you disable drm ?
11:41<jhutchins_lt>It sounds like it works now.
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11:41<graphox>how i disable drm ?
11:42<graphox>(sorry for my questions, i don't know a lot of things about graphic drivers)
11:42<lord_rob>I suppose it's in grub's parameters, didn't try that
11:43<lord_rob>you have to specify to the kernel which videomode you want to use at boot
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11:44<graphox>I think i'll install again debian and test with the same sites, i'll know if the crashs had been due to the wheezy repos, no ?
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11:44<costas>lord_rob, recent Debian stable versions handle most cases automatically, graphox should be allright if he installs debian squeeze and after that follows the appropriate wiki to install the vga driver
11:44<jhutchins_lt>graphox: Once we eliminate problems with wheezy it will be easier to narrow down any other problems you have.
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11:46<lord_rob>drm is not especially needed to run X
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11:46<graphox>i'm searching for log errors
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11:48<costas>graphox, it takes me half an hour to setup Debian on a laptop... you could be running a flawless stable debian system by now if you listened to reason...
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11:48<lord_rob>costas: I suppose so. In my case I've never used Debian Testing/Stable so...
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11:49<diego>hello, I was configuring one time passwords yesterday and I just have a tiny tiny problem with pam :)
11:49<costas>diego, shoot...
11:49<diego>when I ssh, it asks me my real password, if I type it correctly it will ask the OTP and then let me inside if both are correct
11:49<diego>so far is good
11:49<graphox>costas, i know the install is very quick, but i liked to use the testing repos until now
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11:49<diego>lets say I miss the password several times
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11:50<diego>it just keeps asking the unix password 3 more times (and wont let login anyway as opie was required)
11:50<diego>but why does it ask for the unix password again :S
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11:51<graphox>Ok, i have some informations about « drm » and « graphics memory »
11:51<graphox>[TTM] Zone kernel: Available graphics memory: 2026798 kiB.
11:51<diego>I just want a restrictive system, ssh mycomputer ... ask unix password (if incorrect, disconnect) , if not ask for otp (incorrect => disconnect) ... just one time each password, no more chances ...
11:51<graphox>[drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Detected 512MiB VRAM
11:51<diego>want more chances, then ssh again
11:51<diego>how can I do that
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11:51<graphox>drm: registered panic notifier
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11:52<diego>I mean, if the unix password is wrong, then dont even ask for OTP, just close that connection
11:53<costas>diego I assume you are familiar with this:
11:53<graphox>fb0: nouveaufb frame buffer device
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11:54<diego>I'm not too familiar with pam , just read the documentation a bit ... I'm a c/c++ programmer (not really a unix admin, even I use linux all the time of course) :)
11:54<viliny>so, whats the best way to get flash in iceweasel?
11:54<Zathras>Hi. How con I check certain values as used/set in/through DebConf please? (I want to check certain variables used in slapd.conf (OpenLDAP))
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11:54<costas>viliny, get flashplugin-nonfree
11:55<Zathras>viliny or gnash
11:55<viliny>thanks again :)
11:55<Zathras>less stable and compatible though. But free
11:55<costas>gnash doesn't work well with new flash videos...
11:55<costas>damned adobe...
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11:56<viliny>well, html5 soon i hope :)
11:56<graphox>i'll tell you if i have the same problem with stable, bye and thanks to care about me :)
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11:57<diego>costas: I dont have ldap anyway, its just my home computer ... Im a bit paranoid hehehe
11:57<costas>graphox, I've been using Debian since the late 1994... you can still go back to windblowz land and let us work with what we love
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11:58<viliny>how can i check if my swap space is being used or if it's correctly set up?
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11:58<costas>viliny, don't get paranoid, swap usage is handled automagically nowadays...
11:58<viliny>yes but i specified the partitions manually and just wanted to check if it went ok
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11:59<acu>hey guys - what's up with Inkscape in Squeeze AMD ? - quite often when I right click on an .svg file to open the computer freezes - I need to do a hard reboot - did not happen this to me since Windows 95 - anyone has some hints - knowledge ?
12:00<costas>viliny, there are several disk usage applets for debian, why don't you use one?
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12:00<viliny>system monitor did the trick
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12:00<viliny>apparently i have 20gb of swap :)
12:00<pedxing>how much physical mem
12:01<pedxing>20gb seems extreme
12:01<viliny>yes, it does
12:02<costas>acu, you checked for updated squeeze libs etc?
12:02<viliny>had trouble with ubuntu suspending and people hinted towards insufficient swap... well i noticed it was just below 6gb for some reason so i repartioned the thing so it wouldn't be insufficient ever again :P
12:02<viliny>whilst switching to debian
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12:03<acu>costas: I just did some apt-get update upgrade or from synaptic - do I need to do something else ? -
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12:03<costas>acu, you got your vga driver installed properly?
12:04<costas>acu, do an apt-get clean, then run apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade..
12:04<acu>I think so - so far everything works perfectly except Inkscape crashing the whole machine
12:04<pedxing>rule of thumb is that swap is twice as big as installed ram.. not sure how debian handles swap, but overallocating probably won't kill locality
12:05<costas>acu, if it is a conf file error, an apt-get purge (package) will delete all conf files, in order to reinstall the package...
12:05<Zathras>when I see variables like @BACKEND@ in a config file. I presume these are values maintained by DebConf? Where are these stored or how can I query them?
12:05<krazykit>that's a lame rule of thumb, in the age of multi-gigabyte physical memory
12:05<dpkg>swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. See also <am i swapping>.
12:05<armani>i'm hoping someone can help me out, i'm trying to install amd64 squeeze on an msi u230 netbook, but it keeps hanging when i partition the drive
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12:06<costas>armani, it freezes after or before the format? maybe your hard disk is dead...
12:06<acu>However some Databases REQUIRES the SWAP (that double rule is in place) for sure Oracle and I think even PostgreSQL
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12:09<viliny>costas, after installing the nvidia driver... i can't help but notice the driver version is ancient. what can i do to get a newer version?
12:09<acu>armani: make sure the CPU is 64 bit - but is true that freezing later during installation means something else is at fault - just for the heck of it see if BIOS allows or have options for OS other than windows - some bioses have that - second ARE you installing your Linux as Single OS or with Windows as dual boot ?
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12:10<Zathras>armani, already tried the LiveCD with your hardware?
12:11<costas>viliny, pray...
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12:12<Zathras>viliny, consider alternatives. For instance Nouveau
12:13<costas>Zathras, nouveau has openGL support?
12:13<dpkg>Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian for important notes. #nouveau on For 3D support, ask about <nvidia>.
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12:14<Zathras>ah. Missed the requirement for OpenGL
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12:14<costas>I didn't...
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12:15<costas>armani, if the setup fails on the partitioning part of the installation check BIOS, and hard disks, usually a format is sufficient
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12:16<Aleric>How can I check if my ethernetcard is in 1 Gbit/s mode?
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12:19<costas>!beer dpkg
12:19*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg
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12:26<dpkg>[ethtool] a utility for displaying and changing Ethernet device settings, e.g. speed, duplex, auto-negotiation, wake-on (lan). As of ethtool 6+20080913-2 (Squeeze), most settings can be specified in /etc/network/interfaces; see /usr/share/doc/ethtool/README.Debian for supported settings. See also <which ethernet module>, <wol>, <nictools>.
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12:33<dpkg>i guess debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files.
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12:44<graphox>I don't have any problems with squeeze, and a bug with dpkg -i is also fixed :)
12:45<costas>glad you made it graphox
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12:49<costas>!beer costas
12:49*dpkg pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for costas
12:49<costas>bye bye peeps, see ya soon
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12:50<tt>how can i install firefox 4?
12:50<jhutchins_lt>tt: You pretty much have to use the mozilla installer at this point (which will make a mess of your system).
12:50<jhutchins_lt>,versions iceweasel
12:50<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; sid: 3.5.18-1; wheezy: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>tt: I take that back, it's in experimental.
12:51<guillaume>or use experimental repository
12:51<jhutchins_lt>tt: From all of the accounts I've heard so far it is anything but stable.
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12:51<tt>i dont get it guys?
12:51<viliny>anyone have any idea on how to install winetricks d3dx9 in playonlinux?
12:52<tt>my friend use it on his com an it work so fine except for one persian word
12:52<guillaume>tt: Write a correct config apt preferences file and use aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel
12:52<cahoot>jhutchins_lt: it's certainly doable to just use the tar.gz and install in /usr/local or such
12:52<jhutchins_lt>cahoot: I have installed from mozilla sources in the past.
12:53<tt>not big deal firefox is best
12:53<graphox>Ho, elementary is not compatible with the squeeze-murrine version :/
12:53<tt>no matter wich number id o sth about it later
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13:01<viliny>i need newest unstable wine on my computer... got it in playonlinux at the moment but i can't figure out how to install winetricks into it... anyone know how to get latest version for debian?
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13:02<viliny>i got this far:
13:03<viliny>but which packages do i want? a little lost here on what to do
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13:06<lord_rob>hmmm I've only installed that version viliny
13:06<jhutchins_lt>viliny: We really don't have the ability to support non-debian software here.
13:06<tt>how can i make my linux in other(persian) language?
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13:07<viliny>okay, thank you anyway
13:07<thewanderer1>tt: run `dpkg-reconfigure locales`
13:08<thewanderer1>(I'm not really sure which of them is Persian, but you'll probably figure out something under P :P )
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13:08<thewanderer1>just choose UTF-8 variants, not some ISO or unlabelled entries
13:08<tt>can i have two languange side by side?
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13:09<thewanderer1>tt: yes, but one is always the default, however you can choose your language upon login - in GDM or KDM there's a menu for that (at login screen)
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13:10<tt>well there is no Fa(persian) in it can i add language?
13:11<lord_rob>this is (one of) the force of free software : translation in maaaaaaany languages. Here it's even translated in walloon (local dialect)
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13:11<thewanderer1>tt: does ps_AF sound anything like it?
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13:12<lord_rob>is Persian written form right to left ?
13:12<thewanderer1>enable it in `dpkg-reconfigure locales`, then restart gdm/kdm and you'll have it available in the menu
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13:19<EmleyMoor>What's the most "generic PostScript" printer driver for Win7?
13:19<EmleyMoor>(need it for cups-pdf)
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13:20<Zathras>iirc Adobe has one for download
13:20<thewanderer1>EmleyMoor: you might want to ask in ##windows on Freenode (or maybe here it also exists?)
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13:31*EmleyMoor picked the first HP CLJ PS driver - the result is adequate
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13:48<sortadi>hi there
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13:48<sortadi>I got no sound on Flashplayer plugin using Iceweasel or Google Chrome under Debian AMD 64
13:50<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
13:50<Black_Prince>!adobe flash
13:50<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
13:50<Black_Prince>Take a look at wiki page
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13:58<sortadi>Black_Prince, thanks
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13:59<sortadi>!flash amd64
13:59<dpkg>Adobe Flash for amd64 is now available again as a preview release (as of 15/9/10). See for details.
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14:08<jhutchins_lt>No sound on flash is usually pulseaudio.
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14:19<tt>how can i resume sth with scp?
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14:22<ompaul>tt: you really want rsync --partial --progress --rsh=ssh /path/filename user@farbox:directory/file
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14:23<tt>-- partial and --progress are options rite?
14:23<ompaul>I really hope so
14:23<ompaul>cos they were when I hit enter ;-)
14:24<Hydroxide>--partial and --progress are rsync options, yes
14:24<Hydroxide>you can also specify them both together as -P
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14:24<Hydroxide>(capital P specifically)
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14:25<ompaul>you might get away with -Pe (not tested yet but e is used to allow ssh in other rsync sessions
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14:26<Hydroxide>ompaul: -e ssh is the default in recent memory
14:26<ompaul>you can rsync on "local file systems"
14:27<ompaul>without ssh
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14:46<wesley>eu gostaria de saber como estalar o avast no satux linux deb
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14:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:50<wesley>satux the need for antivirus linux
14:51<wesley>yes or no
14:51<dpkg>from memory, antivirus is a class of programs for detecting viruses. There is a free for private/non-commercial use antivirus under . See also <clamav>.
14:51<retrospectacus>imho, no, no need
14:51<dpkg>Satux is a Brazilian desktop Linux distribution <based on Debian>. It is not supported in #debian.
14:51<sney>wesley: usually no, unless you are hosting email, or samba shares accessed by windows clients.
14:51<sney>also that.
14:53<wesley>you know how to install avast
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14:54<sney>wesley: we do not support satux here. Please ask the satux support if you have any more questions.
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14:54<tt>@ompaul my ssh port is diffrent how can i change port/
14:54<ompaul>wesley: please use the forum on the satux site, satux != debian thanks
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14:55<wesley>I'll try ta
14:55<ompaul>tt: how is your port different?
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14:55<ompaul>tt: also what would you like it to be?
14:57<wesley>avira and this gave me what you get
14:57<tt>well my friend changed to 3600 i want to change it
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14:58<wesley>I do not know how
14:58<sney>wesley: why are you still here?
14:58<jhutchins_lt>tt: man sshd.conf
14:58<ompaul>wesley: please go there and look
14:59<ballison>Can someone tell me how to bind Windows_Key + Left_Mouse_Click = Screen grab given area where I drag to define area
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15:01<ompaul>tt: you might want to look at how sshd_config has numbers against ports
15:02<ompaul>tt: obviously someone changed it ... so you should ask them ;-)
15:02<tt>at resync how can i change port i mean
15:02<jhutchins_lt>tt: Sorry, the man page would be sshd_config
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15:03<tt>ompaul do u c ur help with resync u gave me? i wana give resync my port to work with
15:03<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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15:04<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
15:04<sney>Eulenspiegel69: you can /msg dpkg keyword if you want to read the factoids
15:04<Eulenspiegel69>sney: thanks, forgot :)
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15:05<ompaul>tt: the fun thing about rsync is that it is spelt rsync, and port direction is --port=3600 and if only there was a way to search the internet ;-)
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15:07<tt>dont be srcasimistic, i did search before but i couldnt fix it
15:07<joseph_>Hey, when I'm typing in terminal a command, if I put a TAB, it sounds a BIP, like doesn't has an sound associated
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15:07<MrFrood>ompaul: try ;)
15:08<joseph_>I've installed Debian Squeeze today, and installed compiz right now. After install compiz, it sounds that bip, like (BOOP sound)
15:08<sney>joseph_: do you want to turn off the terminal beeps?
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15:09<joseph_>sney, Yeah. It's a strange beep
15:10<joseph_>sney, I didn't like that beep
15:10<sney>in terminal, xset b off
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15:12<viliny>can anyone recommend any nice ways to spiff up my desktop?
15:12<viliny>like... system info and such?
15:13<MrFrood>viliny: conky
15:13<sney>most DEs and WMs have widgets included that you can just enable, also
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15:14<kevin>the web
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15:14<kevin>in the web aplications
15:14<joseph_>sney, That was easier than I imagined.
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15:14<joseph_>edit > profile preferences > Terminal bell. I disabled it
15:15<joseph_>sney, Thanks I gotta go
15:15<joseph_>see ya
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15:16<viliny>any nice themes? seems like i've seen all gnome art has and that wasn't very... impressive
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15:16<sney> usually has all the themes
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15:19<msemtd>hi, I'm having lots of dpkg failures due to "configured not to write apport reports". WHat might be causing this?
15:19<sney>msemtd: can you paste an error log to
15:20<msemtd>sney: sure...
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15:22<tt>how can i set proxy in terminal?
15:23<ompaul>export http_proxy=
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15:23<ompaul>launch the program you want to work from that termina
15:24<viliny>why won't debian allow me to add repositories?
15:24<viliny>synaptic header says (superuser)
15:24<ompaul>viliny: it will, you just have to ask it correctly
15:25<viliny>how do i ask it correctly?
15:25<viliny>add source is greyed out
15:25<ompaul>viliny: it looks in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:25<ompaul>viliny: however what repos are you trying to add?
15:25<kevin>help sito web
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15:25<viliny>ompaul: ppa:tiheum/equinox for example
15:26<ompaul>!tell kevin about it
15:26<kevin>the scaricar
15:27<ompaul>viliny: that is on a ppa ubuntu page the instructions are attached to that page and this is not #ubuntu
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15:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:27<retrospectacus>!tell viliny -about why not use a ppa
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15:28<viliny>okay, well the site is gnome-look so i didn't know ppa was ubuntu specific. my apologies
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15:31<wesley>not achieve
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15:32<ompaul>viliny:I can't comment on gnome-look I can about kde-look I just grab what I want and use some system settings to work for me (used to feel clunky in gnome a few years ago)
15:32<ompaul>that was my personal experience
15:32<viliny>ah okay...
15:33<viliny>this one theme wanted a lot of gimmicks installed and they had repos for those... but now i know better :)
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15:37<Rockers>hola puta
15:37<Rockers>me la mama?
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15:38<Rockers>Myon baja y adme una paja
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15:44<viliny>why does debian ask me to insert cd:s when i install software?
15:45<caranille>Check your update source
15:45<caranille>and desable the DVD or CD source
15:45<viliny>ah yes... ty
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15:47<viliny>how do you run conky anyway?
15:47<caranille>What ?
15:47<FreeToDecide>Do I know AndréFresh?
15:47<viliny>i ran it in terminal but i just got a dark box with the info without any chance to move it around
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15:53<eightyei1ht>how do i list the changes of a package after it's been installed?
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15:55<chealer>eightyei1ht: what do you mean, NEWS.Debian?
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15:57<eightyei1ht>chealer: a package got updated through apt, and i'm curious what the update was for. what's getting updated in that package?
15:57<sney> generally has a changelog
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15:58<eightyei1ht>sney: nothing through apt or dpkg itself?
15:58<sney>I believe you can also run apt-listchanges
15:58<jackyf>eightyei1ht: you can list the changes before installation, 'apt-listchanges'
15:58<eightyei1ht>jackyf: yeah. in this case, i'm post installation, and still want to find out
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15:59<eightyei1ht>i guess there's /usr/share/doc/<package>
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16:01<chealer>eightyei1ht: after it was upgraded, you can check the changelog indeed, after checking which version you previously had
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16:02<Barrett>What are the chances of getting Lenny to use a newer version of Xen by default (I'm not saying for my own good, I can do it for my own installs, but for people in general)
16:02<Barrett>there are some pretty bad bugs with 3.2-1
16:03<msemtd>dpkg failures due to "configured not to write apport reports": any thoughts?
16:03<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, msemtd
16:03<jackyf>Barrett: Lenny is oldstable -> I doubt.
16:03<jackyf>msemtd: ubuntu?
16:03<eightyei1ht>yeah. /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz is what i'm after. that'll work (provided every package ships it)
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16:03<msemtd>jackyf: no, debian
16:03<jackyf>eightyei1ht: you can use 'aptitude changelog package' or 'cupt changelog package'
16:04<acritchlow>hi all
16:04<eightyei1ht>jackyf: perfect! just what i want. thx
16:04<jackyf>msemtd: hmm, nevermind then.
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16:05<sney>Barrett: nothing new is going to be added to lenny, but backports might be a solution.
16:05<msemtd>it's OK, I'm going to reinstall - I'll be beack in a few hours if it happens again!
16:05<acritchlow>can anyone tell me some great open source linux projects? anyone know if there is an enterprise solution to vmware vcenter out there for linux?
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16:05<jackyf>msemtd: I doubt it's a dpkg message.
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16:06<Barrett>jackyf and sney, that's why I had my doubts, but the bug I ran into (and that I found other people have, with my research) causes data loss on guests... I'd personally consider it pretty serious
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16:07<Barrett>what would be the best way of at least getting it looked at?
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16:07<Barrett>the bug tracker?
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16:09<jackyf>Barrett: probably, yes.
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>Barrett: You can request a backport.
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16:33<shaun1>what's a backport? is that a version from a more recent Debian that's been made to work with an older version?
16:33<jhutchins_lt>shaun1: Yes, usually something from sid or testing.
16:34<shaun1>ah ok.
16:34<jhutchins_lt>shaun1: Recompiled so as not to pull all of sid in to satisfy dependencies and reasonably trusted not to smash your system to bits.
16:34<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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16:34<jhutchins_lt>shaun1: It's also something you can do yourself, see <ssb>
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16:35<shaun1>ok. how does it satisfy dependencies if it requires more recent libraries than those you may have. does it staticaly link them?
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16:37<retrospectacus>ssb magic
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16:40<shaun1>i've got a Q about LVM. is it worth it?
16:41<shaun1>i mean, any time i've needed to use it it's been just as inconvenient as it would be had i not been using it
16:42<jhutchins_lt>shaun1: Add the fact that it's one more thing to go wrong and you come up with a net negative.
16:42<jhutchins_lt>shaun1: We get someone struggling with a LVM problem at least once a week.
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16:42<jhutchins_lt>One partition + swap + backup.
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16:43<kop>me finds lvm convenient rather regularly.
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16:44<shaun1>I was in a situation last week where a box with LVM had an issue. a couple of hours later and downtime of a live volume and i was thinking to myself i could've stuck a new disk in in that time
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16:44*retrospectacus finds all disk abstraction mechanisms painful and annoying at best, disastrous and life-ruining at worst
16:45<jhutchins_lt>The most knowledgable computer people I know (Opus1 in Tucson) describe LVM as "evil".
16:45<shaun1>jhutchins_lt: so long as you have good backup strategy that's the way to go me thinks!
16:45<shaun1>i've decided not to use it anymore. just wondered if there were people that actually like it. :)
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16:52<shaun1>hmmm i've found a very old yet important box on Debian 3.0 (hiding on the network). Fun times tomorrow me thinks.
16:52<shaun1>obviously long forgotten about
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16:58<tharkun>Good evening gentlemen. Has anyone in here build a rack mounted server from scratch?
16:58<retrospectacus>mos def
16:59<dvs>tharkun: No, I don't know how to mine metal. ;-)
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17:00<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: I've had them built to order, but the case, motherboard, and cooling system all have to match up.
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17:00<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: There are rack-mount cases that allow use of standard hardware though - 3U I think.
17:00<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: Do manufacturers have all that specs readily available or is it hard to get to them?
17:01<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: Usually pretty easy or they don't stay in business.
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17:01<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: i found out today that there are several types of racks for different servers. (precisely HP)
17:01<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: If it's not your datacenter it you might get a good deal going through the provider.
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17:03<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: Well most of my clients are small businesses and some medium size ones. And their servers range from desktops to rack mounted ones. I recently heard that HP as well as sun are taking tower and rack mounted servers off their products list and concentrating on blade servers.
17:04<jhutchins_lt>I'd be skeptical about that.
17:04<jhutchins_lt>But yes, you need to at least match the rails to the rack.
17:04<jhutchins_lt>THere are standards - but there's more than one.
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17:04<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: thanks i'll do a check before you buy list and consult it in here before doing anything silly
17:04<jhutchins_lt>Phone, data, medical, broadcast.
17:05<jhutchins_lt>Rails can run over $100.
17:05<jhutchins_lt>Then again there was a roll-out keyboard that was like $3k - "Rack Mount" means "money tree".
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17:09<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: i have this handyman that will do the most amazing stuff with standard equipments and tools. I had him make a special drawer to put an old server on a rack. It couold be pulled and pushed semlesly and he only used standar drawer rails. It custed me around 130 bucks (give or take 10 according to exchange rates)
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17:09<tharkun>Maining your price range for some stuff might not exactly apply :D
17:09<tharkun>Anyway I'll check back later. Thanks for your time
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17:16<josephseraos>hey, when I'm using firefox, I put ctrl+f to look for any text. So, I type an word that doesn't exist. Them, background is now red with white text. In this moment, if I continue to type, system throws a beep that doesn't sound well. How can I remove this sound?
17:17<sney>is it a pc speaker beep?
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17:18<sney>if so you should be able to disable it entirely with modprobe -r pcspkr, and then put a line 'blacklist pcspkr' in a file in /etc/modprobe.d
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17:19<mjt>i had that back some 15 years ago, solved it with `xset b' choosing some pitch/duration in ~/.xsession, next come gnome and other desktop environment and ruined that, so i had to move it to .config/autostatrt... But i still don't have a "right" solution to control it.
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17:20<sney>personally I'm a fan of the "physically remove pc speaker" solution
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17:20<sney>but it shouldn't be done on systems that aren't yours, or systems where you may need to troubleshoot with beep codes
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17:21<mjt>beeps are useful sometimes
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17:21<shaun1>joseph: accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound is the variable you want to set
17:21<mjt>for example quite often i watch for something in background (some event to become true, like a remote system to finish rebooting) and i want to hear a beep when it's here
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17:23<mjt>(and for that, ping -ai10 <remotesystem> in an xterm works just fine)
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17:23<demooriaan>in firefox/iceweasel addressbox about:config
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17:24<shaun1>i shoulda guessed Windows was being mendacious when it said it'd be done in 10 minutes
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17:25<demooriaan>joseph: in firefox/iceweasel addressbox type about:config
17:26<Mike632T>Does anyone know how I can capture a xwindows logon screen using xwd? I've tried 'xwd -display :0.0 -root -out image.xwd' from the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1) as root but it doesn't work.
17:26<demooriaan>then variable accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound set to false
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17:33<josephseraos>how to configure beeps of the system?
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17:35<kop>josephseraos: beeps when?
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17:37<Hevithan>I got a question about Dreamlinux (which I hear is Debian based) concerning running off my HDD instead of off CD. Having startup issue.
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17:37<kop>!tell Hevithan about based on debian
17:38<kop>Hevithan: Sorry, but we just don't know.
17:38<Hevithan>Well when I run it off my hard drive, it says Connector unsupported (16) may cause problems.
17:39<Hevithan>Then freezes (made it past once but never again)
17:39<streuner>dpkg, dreamlinux
17:39<dpkg>Dreamlinux is a Brazilian live CD based on Debian Lenny (as of version 3.5). #dreamlinux on See also <based on Debian>.
17:39<Hevithan>Sweet thanks
17:39<josephseraos>kop: Let's see: When I was typing in gnome-terminal, and I typed a word that has more then one with this prefix, system throw a beep. In gnome-terminal I removed it in edit > profile preferences ... In Iceweasel, when I put CTRL+F, the quick search, and I put a text that doesn't exist in the page, it sounds a beep too. When I type the ^ or ~ or ' (accent) and type a backspace immediately before show the accent, it sounds another
17:39<josephseraos>beep, understand?
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17:40<kop>josephseraos: So you want to control when the beep sounds? That's up to each application. If you want to control what the beep sounds like that might be a kernel thing. Maybe.
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17:41<kop>!tell josephseraos about linux-doc
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17:42<kop>josephseraos: Or since you seem to be running gnome you could poke about in it's preferences. (I find configuring gnome to be voodoo.)
17:42<jordi>is anyone here having problems with GNOME Keyring in sid not remembering passwords? I need a volunteer for a fix before I upload it to unstable.
17:42<Hevithan>Awesome, dreamlinuxforums had it on first page ... Thanks. Bye
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17:44<josephseraos>kop: I'm using GNOME
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17:57<josephseraos>kop: in the box where you entry a text in the im, if you type the key that has an accent, like acute or circumflex accent, and before it be showed, you type backspace key. Here I listen a beep. I don't think I'm clear
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18:10<dEhiN>hi, if I'm updating my sources.list to use testing and testing-proposed-updates instead of stable and stable-updates, I shouldn't need to also use the squeeze-backports repo right?
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18:12<retrospectacus>!shoot Aleric2
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18:15<babilen>dEhiN: yes (quite logical if you think about what backports actually are)
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18:17<r3dspir4l>hello all
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18:19<xiru>somebody could help me with a ipv6 configuration?
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18:20<cthuluh>xiru: yes.
18:20<babilen>xiru: consider it done
18:21<r3dspir4l>i have a question: what could be possibly causing my computer NOT to download updates? First I tried the update manager than I tried apt-get update. Unsuccessful!
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18:22<sney>r3dspir4l: what happens when you try?
18:23<babilen>r3dspir4l: Could you run: "aptitude update ; aptitude -s full-upgrade" and paste the complete output to along with the output of "apt-cache policy" please?
18:23<streuner>r3dspir4l: please show us your sources.list in a pastbin?
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18:23<r3dspir4l>I'll give that a shot thanks
18:23<streuner>ignore everyone execpt me :-)
18:23<xiru>in practice my ipv6 problem is about ipv6 and virtualization with openvz. I have a server with a working ipv4 and ipv6. The problem is when I create an ipv6 only virtual machine inside this server. The ipv6 works but I cannot use ipv4. I realize that I need a tunnel, but I just cannot get it working.
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18:24<streuner>r3dspir4l: nah, just give use more infos
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18:28<r3dspir4l>babilen i just sent the info you requested
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18:29<babilen>r3dspir4l: ah, do you have the URL?
18:30<r3dspir4l>isa that it?
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18:31<babilen>yes, that is 1/3 of the requested information. It looks as if you end up with a bad mirror though ... but please show us what happen if you actually try to download/update anything. I'll be back in 5min ..
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18:32<r3dspir4l>can't even update my chromium i appreciate your help
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18:32<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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18:33<retrospectacus>!tell aussa about message the bot
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18:33<retrospectacus>!tell aussa about msg the bot
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18:34<retrospectacus>r3dspir4l: have you read what people asked you here? They are still waiting
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18:36<retrospectacus>r3dspir4l: where did you come up with a mirror called ""?? It is apparently not valid. Fix that
18:36<aussa>if I remove a meta package like "gnome" will it remove the packages linked to it?
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18:36<retrospectacus>aussa: it will want to, yes, with "autoremove"
18:36<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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18:38<aussa>I just want to remove epiphany-browser, but it wants to remove gnome too, I'm afraid it will damage my desktop
18:39<retrospectacus>don't make me say !unmarkauto again
18:40<MrFrood>but retrospectacus you say it so well...
18:40*retrospectacus *blush*
18:40<sney>r3dspir4l: try just using as your mirror
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18:43<babilen>!tell r3dspir4l -about geo sources.list
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18:45<r3dspir4l>ok I'll try that
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18:46<r3dspir4l>babilen trying to send you more info
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18:46<retrospectacus>r3dspir4l: this is a group support channel. Don't pester a single person, just talk to the group
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18:56<aussa>are there others like aptitude?
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18:57<babilen>aussa: In a nutshell: You have the gnome metapackage installed, but you want to remove one of its dependencies. In order to keep other gnome packages you should install a smaller metapackage (/msg dpkg install gnome) and "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" others you want to keep. Repeat until you are happy
18:58<babilen>!install gnome
18:58<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
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20:19<dEhiN>where can I find the config file for grub?
20:20<dvs>dEhiN: /etc/grub/grub.cfg
20:20<daemonkeeper>Depends. You most likely mean /etc/default/grub
20:21<daemonkeeper>Alternatives include /boot/grub/grub.cfg (auto generated) or /etc/grub.d for generator scripts
20:21<dEhiN>I don't have a grub folder in /etc; I have grub.d, and in that folder (/etc/grub.d/), there's no grub.cfg
20:21<dEhiN>let me try /boot/grub
20:22<dvs>it's /boot/grub
20:22<daemonkeeper>/etc/grub/grub.cfg does not exist, dvs was wrong there
20:22<dEhiN>also if I remove a kernel, what do I need to run to update my grub cfg?
20:22<dEhiN>dvs: 's ok
20:22<daemonkeeper>Debian will update your grub.cfg automatically
20:22<daemonkeeper>Whenver you add or remove a kernel
20:22<dEhiN>ok, thanks
20:23<sney>and the place to add extra arguments to the boot command line is /etc/default/grub
20:23<daemonkeeper>Already mentioned :)
20:23<sney>ah indeed
20:23*sney wanders off
20:24<dEhiN>I'm asking because I have both debian-linux and debian-kbsd installed, and my debian-linux grub boot screen provides an option for runtime 1 (single-user), but my debian-kbsd grub boot screen doesn't...was planning to copy the lines from grub cfg on debian-linux to debian-kbsd
20:24<daemonkeeper>This won't work that way, since kbsd boots another kernel and needs therefore its own generator script
20:25<daemonkeeper>If anything you may tweak /etc/grub.d/10_kfreebsd
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20:32<Joelito>sorry MrFlood, fluxbox breaks saying that I have another window manager :(
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20:35<rootparthg>im new to this whole new world of cyber security
20:35<sney>very new apparently
20:36<rootparthg>yes, any tips?
20:36<sney>here's a tip for an aspiring h4xx0r: next time try reading what the xchat dialog says, and actually joining the correct irc channel.
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20:36<sney>attention to detail is very important!
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20:36<sney>I do not have a lot of confidence in you, new backtrack4 user.
20:36<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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20:37<rootparthg>alright, thank you
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20:38<daemonkeeper>Do derivates change default IRC servers by the way? They probably should.
20:38<sney>they don't.
20:39<sney>there is no default actually, but the 'debian servers' entry is at the top of the list, so it's what you get if you press connect without looking.
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20:39<Arrowmaster>which is why imho the xchat package should be changed to use that new feature of the 3.0 quilt format where there can be a default patch queue and patch queues for specific distros, and only put the patch that makes this the default in the debian specific patch queue
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20:40<abrotman>Arrowmaster: which only works if the derivative changes the package at all ...
20:41<Arrowmaster>shouldnt it work though as soon as they rebuild it?
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20:41<abrotman>if they rebuild it?
20:42<Arrowmaster>well they surely dont copy the binary package
20:42<daemonkeeper>Rebuilding the package by not changing anything won't affect the resulting binary package at all, neither for quilt sources.
20:43<demooriaan>btw: vanilla is availlable...
20:43<sney>there was some discussion in -offtopic with at least one dev present suggesting a generated xchat.conf etc by the postinst script based on what distro is detected
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20:45<daemonkeeper>Which is probably based on /etc/debian_release or lsb_release which requires derivates again to change either one at least.
20:46<sney>they usually do at least that. motd is also a useful place to look
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20:47*dvs is compiling right now
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20:47<kop>daemonkeeper: You could expect that if /etc/debian_release is missing then you're not on debian.
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20:47*demooriaan too
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20:48<dominique_>good evening :)
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20:49<sney>good grief
20:49<kop>Those jokers!
20:50<Arrowmaster>found it
20:50<sney>well it tells you exactly when they forked sid
20:51<Arrowmaster>which i think uses dpkg-vendor that checks /etc/dpkg/origins/default
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20:51<winsen1>hello evrybody
20:51<winsen1>need help
20:51<winsen1>can not listening to deezer
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20:53<retrospectacus>winsen1: I hope you're not expecting us to have any idea what you're talking about
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20:54<winsen1><retrospectacus>no i don't , just need help cause il doesn't work
20:55<kop>winsen1: And you expect to get help from people who can't tell what your problem is?
20:56<abrotman>works fine here
20:56<winsen1>i don't know why it doesn't work , youtube works perfectly
20:56<Arrowmaster>im guessing its a flash plroblem
20:56<Arrowmaster>winsen1: which flash plugin are you using?
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20:57<winsen1>sorry, how can i see that?
20:58<Arrowmaster>since you dont know im assuming the default
20:58<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
20:58<Arrowmaster>!adobe flash
20:58<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
20:59<Arrowmaster>see the last wiki page there and try the adobe flash plugin
21:00<winsen1>is it here " /etc/apt/sources.list file"?
21:00<demooriaan>adobe will update theirs on fri or sat
21:02<winsen1>i think i did that by gui , don't remember deb
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21:03<winsen1>what's the command to see witch one?
21:03<winsen1>i am using?
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21:05<demooriaan>dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree
21:05<dpkg>ii flashplugin-nonfree 2.4-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
21:05<demooriaan>and the same for gnash
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21:08<demooriaan>ok, then have a look at
21:08<winsen1>ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
21:08<demooriaan>if it *really* is running
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21:10<winsen1>yes it is
21:10<demooriaan>i read about some problems using x64 version "qube", but cant* verify, as i run i386
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21:10<winsen1>it says: You have version 10,3,162,29 installed
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21:11<winsen1>i am using x64
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21:12<winsen1><demooriaan>what should i doing now to make it working?
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21:14<winsen1>are you there?
21:14<demooriaan>you may read here:
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21:15<demooriaan>it is a preview, aka beta
21:18<winsen1>you will need to manually uninstall Flash Player "Square" before installing a final shipping version of Flash Player.
21:18<demooriaan>remeber: install and upgrade - use the debian way, as described in the wiki
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21:18<winsen1>should i do it on gui? or in command line?
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21:19<winsen1><demooriaan>sorry, ididn't understand
21:21<winsen1>should i uninstall "ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin" and install new version?
21:21<demooriaan>the x64 version is a testing/beta) version
21:21<demooriaan>you can try, if a new one is availlable
21:22<winsen1>yes i see
21:22<winsen1>but how can i know that, but just trying do i?
21:22<demooriaan>the debian package is just awrapper script for downloading and inszalling adobe flash
21:23<demooriaan>is that music page zhe only one not working?
21:24<winsen1><demooriaan>you mean cause it's beta version, that's why it din't work, do you?
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21:24<winsen1>yes cause youtube works perfecctly
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21:24<demooriaan>yes it seems so, if youtube and other work
21:25<winsen1>ok, what can i do? sorry i am new user
21:25<demooriaan>you may try out the gnash package
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21:26<winsen1>but it says, i should uninstll old version before, how can i do ?
21:27<demooriaan>if you do so, be shure to switch to the correct plugin in your favorite browser
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21:27<demooriaan>just install gnash, they can both coexist
21:29<winsen1>you mean on graphycal , do you?
21:29<demooriaan>as you like
21:30<winsen1>i prefer by comman line, can you guive command line?
21:30<demooriaan>type: apt-get install gnash
21:31<demooriaan>or use aptitude
21:31<winsen1>you mean just this one, do you?
21:31<demooriaan>with root privilleges, of course
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21:32<winsen1>yes, but it says no packages installed
21:32<dominique_>now that you're talking about flash, what's the command line to install the beta version?
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21:32<dominique_>the package comes with only one file named
21:34<winsen1>0 files
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21:35<winsen1>take look
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21:35<dominique_>did I loose the answer for my question?
21:36<winsen1>it says that i've to download archives before
21:38<winsen1>it says that at first i've to download archives
21:39<winsen1>but witch one here"" ?
21:39<demooriaan>ifyoudo not have the package on cd(dvd, ap(itude) needs to dl it
21:39<demooriaan>dominique_ the deb packagesw d *and* installs the browser-plugin for you
21:39<demooriaan>downloads and installs
21:40<winsen1><demooriaan> sorry i didn't understan, witch one i've to download?
21:40<demooriaan>use either the adobe player (*use_the_debian_way) or try out gnash
21:41<demooriaan>apt(itude) does the work for you
21:41<winsen1>Download the latest Flash Player release
21:41<winsen1>this one?
21:41<winsen1>yes aptitude works for me
21:44<demooriaan>well, my new kernel has compiled, time to install...
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21:45<winsen1>gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
21:45<winsen1>tar: Child returned status 1
21:45<winsen1>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
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21:46<demooriaan>winsen1: use the way described in the wiki
21:47<winsen1>that's what i did
21:48<winsen1>i am using "Download plug-in for 64-bit Linux "
21:48<demooriaan>as pasted before
21:48<winsen1>ok thanks
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21:51<demooriaan>sorry, need to reboot for new kernel
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21:55<winsen1>For manual removal, delete the binary file in the plugins folder of your browser. Refer to your browser vendor for the location of this folder.
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21:56<winsen1>sorry it doens't work
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21:58<demooriaan>did you use the update command?
21:59<winsen1>it's too late for me, i've to go bed, i'll see tomorow
22:00<winsen1>thank you very mutch for helping
22:00<demooriaan>you're welcome
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22:00<winsen1>have good night , bye
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22:06<dEhiN>how do I tell which versions of the kernel I have installed? I tried apt-cache show kernel but nothing comes up
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22:07<demooriaan>use uname -a
22:08<dEhiN>demooriaan: I have more than one version I think, and I want to remove the older version(s)
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22:09<demooriaan>you may use syaptic
22:10<demooriaan>search for linux-image
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22:11<demooriaan>but: keep the latest original debian kernel
22:12<dEhiN>I can only run synaptic in gnome or kde?
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22:12<demooriaan>andyou should not remove the meta-package for xour kernel
22:12<dominique_>is there a way i can change the standards for synclient?
22:12<demooriaan>sorry for typos, no light
22:13<dominique_>i mean, the standards, so that when i turn the computer off and on again, it will be the way i left off
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22:14<demooriaan>you mesn, the same programmes open, etc?
22:14<dominique_>only the standard for synclient
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22:14<dominique_>because everytime i turn my computer on, the tapbutton is off
22:14<dominique_>so i have to go to terminal and type synclient TapButton1=1
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22:15<dominique_>i want a way to change it so that when i turn it on, it is already set as 1
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22:16<chealer>dEhiN: no, but you need X
22:16<chealer>dominique_: did you hear about xorg.conf?
22:17<sney>dEhiN: but you can also use 'aptitude' or the 'apt-' commands in cli, i.e. aptitude search linux-image
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22:17<demooriaan>ah, touchpad?
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22:18<dEhiN>sney, chealer, demooriaan: thanks
22:19<dominique_>demooriaan: yep, touchpad :)
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22:20<dEhiN>so I ran aptitude search linux-image, and I'm wondering if I need to keep linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-2.6-amd64 (I have an AMD 64-bit system)
22:20<dEhiN>they are meta packages, so can I get rid of them?
22:21<demooriaan>wekk, i just have the default for synaptics touchpad on toshiba satellite
22:22<sney>dEhiN: you can always get rid of metapackages
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22:25<dEhiN>another question: how can I pipe any error output I get with "apt-get install" to a file so that I can pastebin it?
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22:26<dEhiN>I get to the continue question, but when I type Y, then dpkg reports some errors and returns with an error status
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22:27<sney>dEhiN: apt-get foo > output.txt 2>&1
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22:33<dominique_>gotta go.. thank you for all the help today
22:33<dominique_>see you tomorrow
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22:34<dEhiN>sney: what does the 2>&1 do?
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22:39<abrotman>or use script
22:40<sney>dEhiN: it redirects messages sent to STDERR back to STDOUT, so you make sure to get all of the output in to that text file
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22:44<afiredp1>how use fbset to set screen resolution 1024 768
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23:48<Vlam>Hey guys I have a samba share mapped as a network drive on a windows machine the share keeps going down
23:49<Vlam>It's setup as static ip
23:49<Vlam>And there are no ip conflics
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23:52<Vlam>Any ideas?
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