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00:00<demooriaan>dpkg -l gdm3 or dpkg -l xdm or dpkg -l kdm etc
00:00<dpkg>ii gdm3 or dpkg -l xdm or dpkg -l kdm etc 3.7-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
00:01<demooriaan>if you install another one beside yours you will be asked which one shall do the work
00:02<aussa>ok, I have gdm3, so I uninstall gnome desktop, then gdm3, then install the display manager I want, then install the desktop env I want?
00:03<nysec>christ you have to do that?
00:03<demooriaan>if you have enogh free space on your hd, you can have more than one environmenz
00:03<demooriaan>t
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00:05<demooriaan>and you candecide which desktop-manager you use, either at install time, or later with dpkg-reconfigure-$name-or manager
00:05<demooriaan>name-of-manager
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00:08<demooriaan>see also man dpkg-reconfigure
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00:18<kingsley>What's a good way to persuade one of Debian's developers to package a great application that was recently released under the GPL?
00:18<demooriaan>tell him
00:19<demooriaan>or search for a developer chan and join in
00:19<demooriaan>or makea bugreport for request
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00:30<sortadi>hi there
00:31<sortadi>I just built a AMD Phenom II X6, Asus Crosshair IV Formula and 4 GB DDR3 RAM system up
00:31<sortadi>I'm using it with Debian AMD64
00:31<sortadi>which could be the pros and cons of turning back to Ii386?
00:31<sortadi>using a bigmem kernel
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00:45<mjt>where one can set system-wide $LANG so it can be overwritten by ssh client?
00:46<mjt>the default /etc/default/locale does not work for the "can be overwritten" condition
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00:51<Gerowen>Question, I have a voice recording of somebody at work that I need to put onto our iPod. I need to convert it to either mp3 or m4a, I've got WinFF installed, but it's missing the options for those two formats. Are there additional ffmpeg addons I can install for WinFF to pick up and use those formats?
00:52<vook>what is the format of the voice recording ?
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00:54<Gerowen>wav
00:55<vook>just curious - I don't have the answer to your question, but converting wav to mp3 can be accomplished easily with a one line Lame command.
00:55<vook>!lame
00:55<dpkg>LAME is a MP3 encoder, not distributed by Debian due to patent and infrastructure issues, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAME#Patents_and_legal_issues and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0006/msg01213.html . Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia>. Applications using <GStreamer> for MP3 output require the LAME plugin (gstreamer0.10-lame package in <dmm>). http://lame.sf.net/
00:56<vook>'lame --help' for full options.... 'lame infile.wav outfile.mp3' will work though.
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00:59<th>i love lame, everytime i run it i made someone lose some of their income from my unlicensed encoder (by their definition)
00:59<vook>ya - I prefer vorbis
01:01<th>=)
01:01<Gerowen>:p
01:02<Gerowen>yeah it'd be awesome if everything suppoorted vorbis
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01:04<Gerowen>so what's that debian-multimedia repo dpkg mentioned?
01:06<th>http://debian-multimedia.org/
01:07<Gerowen>Is it official? Any conflicts with stuff from the stock repos?
01:07<Arrowmaster>not official
01:07<vook>causes issues sometimes
01:08<demooriaan>you should install only really necessary packages from there
01:08<vook>*many times and not well maintained - though I sometimes use it
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01:09<Gerowen>might just go manually download lame instead of adding it
01:09<vook>I think lame is in non-free - I thought so at least
01:10<vook>nah - I suppose I should see the above !lame
01:10<demooriaan>well, lame for kde/gstreamer (and the corresponding lib for audacity) are necessary
01:10<demooriaan>k3b
01:12<vook>Gerowen: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ - debian sources.list generator - use with caution!
01:13<Gerowen>vook: I think I got it, just used lame via CLI, I'd like to keep unofficial sources out of my sources.list and just grab individual packages if necessary, I'll bookmark it for future reference though, thanks!
01:13<vook>hehe -
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01:31<kj>Is there a way to secure a Vino connection?
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01:34<costas>good morning from Greece fellow debianheads...
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01:42<th>kj, vnc can be tunneled through a ssh connection
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01:51<Gerowen>Good mornign costas
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01:51<Gerowen>morning*
01:52<vook>is it possible to be connected to multiple irc servers while in irssi ?
01:52<th>vook, yes
01:52<vook>...and if so how?
01:52<th>just /connect another.server.host.name
01:52<vook>cool thanks
01:52<th>to change the current active server, use ctrl+x
01:52<vook>very well
01:53<th>in status window
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02:56<quietone>Just want to check this. I am about to format a partition with an OS on it. Once I do that I only need to run update-grub. Is that right?
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03:10<costas>quietone, you are recovering grub after a windows installation?
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03:10<vorteks>Hello, Im running debian squeeze and for some reason dhcp wont configure for my dsl.
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03:11<costas>!dhcp
03:11<dpkg>from memory, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about <dhcp client>.
03:11<costas>vortecks, http://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Client
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03:11<vorteks>tanxs :)
03:11<costas>yw
03:13<costas>quietone, read here... http://grub.enbug.org/Debian
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03:14<costas>if you want just to format a hard disk, there's no need to use grub, use disk-manager from gnome...
03:15<costas>grub is about booting OSes...
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03:30<dutchfish>simonlnu, yes :)
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03:34<vook>I've been curious about these messages for a long time "-!- mode/#debian [+l 442] by debhelper" I imagine that they mean someone has joined, but I receive them very rarely. ??
03:34<Arrowmaster>its join flood protection
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03:34<vook>ah, thanks
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03:37<florent>hi everyone
03:38<vook>!hi
03:38<dpkg>hello, vook
03:39<florent>I crashed my 64bits install like a dummy last night
03:39<florent>by installing some 32bits libs without any caution
03:39<florent>I tried to chroot from a sane install but I get errors of bash exec
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03:40<florent>my question is: is there a way to recover or am I stuck?
03:40<vook>good time for a reinstall
03:40<florent>erf
03:40<vook>anything else would be messy
03:41<florent>that's what I thought
03:41<florent>always hoping...
03:41<vook>it happens. at least you didn't manage this with rpmfind...
03:42<florent>:)
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03:51<vorteks>hello, i did what the guide told me and still no internet :(
03:54<Gerowen>vorteks: Just coming back, but from what I can see you're unable to pull an IP from your router, correct?
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03:55<vorteks>it has one but i cant connect to internet
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03:56<Gerowen>Can you ping Google's IP? 72.14.213.106
03:56<vorteks>yes
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03:56<Gerowen>if you plug that IP into a web browser does it work?
03:57<quietone>costas, I have debian/ubuntu/gNewSense. I want to use DiskUtility to wipe gNewSense, then run update-grub. Just want to be sure I am not doing anything silly
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03:57<vorteks>take a minute but google.com it gives me its ip adde
03:57<nkadun>ping 72.14.213.106
03:57<nkadun>PING 72.14.213.106 (72.14.213.106) 56(84) bytes of data.
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03:57<vorteks>when pinging
03:57<nkadun>64 bytes from 72.14.213.106: icmp_req=8 ttl=47 time=1040 ms
03:57<nkadun>64 bytes from 72.14.213.106: icmp_req=9 ttl=47 time=746 ms
03:57<Gerowen>vorteks: Try this, I've had problems with default DNS servers with a lot of different ISPs. Assign the following IP addresses as static DNS servers.
03:58<Gerowen>8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4
03:58<vorteks>want me to reboot to debian and try to ping ip?
03:58<Gerowen>Those are Google's public DNS servers.
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03:58<vorteks>eek were do i assign them at agian just want to make sure i do it right
03:58<Gerowen>vorteks: Are you using Gnome or KDE?
03:59<vorteks>kde
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04:00<Gerowen>vorteks: I use Gnome, and haven't used KDE in a long time. Do you know how to find the settings where you can assign a static IP?
04:00<vorteks>yeah
04:01<Gerowen>Ok, you're going to change your eth0 connection from "DHCP" to "DHCP (Addresses Only)"
04:01<Gerowen>Is that an option?
04:01<vorteks>i think
04:02<vorteks>i wish debian used the old tried and true method of dhcp :)
04:02<vorteks>command line durring bootup
04:03<vorteks>very oldskewl
04:03<vorteks>er oldshool
04:03<Gerowen>vorteks: Let me show you what "I" do in Gnome, and see if you can find similar options in KDE. I'll throw some screenshots up here in a second.
04:04<ompaul>vorteks: ... interfaces file sample confiure as you need for a static IP http://paste.debian.net/hidden/104c411e/
04:05<vorteks>tanxs!
04:05<vorteks>ill edit my files and try that
04:05<Gerowen>Thanks ompaul, :-)
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04:13<costas>quiettone, just make sure your primary hard disk or partition is still bootable... no need to update grub if you just format a partition other than the one that boots your system...
04:14<costas>after the format check your fstab either manually or use diskmanager...
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04:15<costas>for more grub options, just read the man file of your grub version...
04:16<quietone>costas, thank you
04:17<costas>you could for example install another OS by disconnecting the hard disks of the other operating systems, and then just edit the grub config file to include it on your boot selecting screen...
04:17<costas>yw quietone
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04:30<yfk>is it possible to make a flash-usb installation disk from the default debian iso using pendrive linux's app?
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04:37<demooriaan>yfk you want the stick as installation medium?
04:37<demooriaan>like a cd/dvd?
04:37<yfk>demooriaan, yes
04:37<demooriaan>google says: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/
04:38<demooriaan>and more
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04:39<demooriaan>maybe you can find similar on original debian site
04:40<yfk>it assumes usage of an .img...using that to make one is identical for pretty much any os
04:40<yfk>I have the iso
04:41<demooriaan>the only trick is making the stick bootable
04:42<yfk>you're saying using zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdb and cp from a mounted iso's directory would do the trick?
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04:43<demooriaan>adjust the path to your system
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04:43<yfk>they're usually at /dev/sdb, if that's what you mean
04:43<demooriaan>yep
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04:44<demooriaan>and then you need to cp the content of any cd/dvd to the stick
04:44<demooriaan>not the iso, but all the files
04:44<demooriaan>that's all
04:44<yfk>will try, thanks
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04:50<costas>I have done this another and easier way,,,
04:51<costas>you just insert your Debian CD or DVD and format a usb stick normally...
04:51<costas>then the usb medium becomes the "hard disk" with a fully functional debian OS...
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04:52<costas>I'm using it now (a fast 480mb/sec 2Gb usb stick runs fine, waiting for the new hard disk to arrive)
04:53<costas>But gnome didn't fit so I just installed xorg and fluxbox along with xchat iceweasel and ekiga...
04:53<s_i_m>480 MB/sec??
04:53<costas>yep it's a crucial stick...
04:54<costas>I have another one from adata that's 8gb... but slow as a frozen hell
04:54<demooriaan>costas yes, as system to run. but he wanted a medium for istallation
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04:55<costas>well, you can always make a bootable usb stick using debian... let me find the link...
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04:55<s_i_m>costas, MBit/sec
04:55<s_i_m>not MB/sec
04:56<costas>http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb
04:56<costas>s_i_m, yep sorry about the typo
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04:58<costas>yfk just follow the wiki, and you'll be alright...
04:58<vorteks>Hey I got debian onlinw finaly :)
04:59<vorteks>now time to install tor
04:59<costas>!beer dpkg
04:59*dpkg pours a quart of Gulden Drak for dpkg
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04:59<vorteks>heh
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05:01<vorteks>whats a good apt replacement with a xwindows gui?
05:03<demooriaan>synaptic
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05:03<demooriaan>if you run gnome/kde/xfce
05:03<costas>vorteks, synaptic is fine...
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05:03<vorteks>tanxs
05:04<vorteks>now to find it
05:04<vorteks>:)
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05:04<costas>I found my ancient notes on paper back in the terminal dayz '90s... used to check every package and note it after install 8-D
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05:05<vorteks>i used to do that too
05:05<vorteks>ur smart
05:05<costas>I'm ancient, peeps here in greece are too bored to even discover debian...
05:06<costas>we used to customize kernels for fun, now there's no fun... everything works hahaha
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05:06<vorteks>true haha
05:07<costas>for example... windows 7 (i do tech support for it) has no dhcp driver for my amd64 desktop... used 64bit on linux since it came up...
05:08<costas>go figure...
05:08<vorteks>synaptic wont start. says no protocall suplied and gtk warning cant open display any ideas?
05:08<vorteks>yes i used to do tech support to
05:09<costas>you have installed gnome vorteks?
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05:09<vorteks>cause windows is in bed with microsoft thats why hehe
05:09<vorteks>dont think so
05:09<vorteks>i think im using kde right now
05:09<costas>vorteks, make sure all dependecies are met
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05:10<costas>do an apt-get clean, apt-get update, and an apt-get upgrade first...
05:11<costas>on my desktop (I'm at work now) I don't have windows in it... hahahaha
05:11<vorteks>cool
05:12<vorteks>i wiped win32 and installed debian on my 60 gig laptop
05:12<vorteks>same error
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05:12<vorteks>i ran those comman ds
05:12<costas>vorteks, you're trying to run synaptic as root?
05:12<vorteks>yeah
05:12<vorteks>well as superuser
05:13<costas>don't do that, it's bad karma...
05:13<vorteks>i dont have a root login do to security reasons
05:13<demooriaan>and root usuallywill not get x
05:13<costas>yep
05:13<demooriaan>on kde use kdesu
05:13<demooriaan>kdesudo
05:13<vorteks>so what should i do?
05:13<costas>run synaptic as a plain user and just type the pass man...
05:13<demooriaan>or pick from your menu
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05:14<vorteks>k
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05:15<vorteks>dont show up in usr account
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05:15<costas>give us the exact error vorteks ...
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05:16<costas>you have updated your sources.list haven't you?
05:16<vorteks>vortek@guardian:~$ synaptic
05:16<vorteks>bash: synaptic: command not found
05:16<vorteks>vortek@guardian:~$ syn
05:16<vorteks>sync synclient syndaemon
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05:16<vorteks>that help
05:17<costas>yes, you haven't installed synaptic it seems...
05:17<demooriaan>use $kdesudo synaptic or pick the entry from your menu
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05:18<costas>I'm kidding, vorteks, search yer menus...
05:18<vorteks>im running xfce
05:18<costas>dive into bash (read the man page) or do the equivalent of update-menus...
05:19<irokease>Hi people!! Need a hand with X-server settings in Debian.. Wold sombody help??
05:19<costas>it sould appear under system, or something (don't use xfce, sorry)
05:19<vorteks>i found it
05:19<vorteks>:)
05:19<demooriaan> this is the original netry from debian menu entry /usr/bin/su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic
05:19<demooriaan>entry
05:19<costas>irokease, what's the problem?
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05:21<irokease>I try to start a new X session, but it fails with "can't open display 0.1" So, what's wrong??
05:21<vorteks>also whats the best xwin gui ? compiz?
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05:22<costas>I like minimal guis vorteks , fluxbox is my game...
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05:22<costas>irokease, did you install a new driver?
05:23<costas>!X
05:23<vorteks>nice
05:23<costas>!xorg
05:23<irokease>costas-> KDE works normally.. What new driver??
05:23<dpkg>X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
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05:24<costas>it's all there irokease, read a bit...
05:24<vorteks>how can i tell what gui i got?
05:25<irokease>costas-> But WHERE? Give me dirction to dive, PLZ.. :)
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05:26<irokease>costas-> Is it a problem with security settings or something??
05:26<costas>you can't login into X and it crashes irokease ? Give us more details please...
05:26<costas>if it crashes, it's probably a driver error, follow the wikis...
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05:27<costas>if KDE works normally, we'll need the exact error output to identify your problem irokease
05:28<irokease>costas-> No, no.. KDM starts KDE normally, but if i try to start a client, that uses its own X session from KDE (aterm), it fails, saying " "can't open display :0.1"
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05:31<costas>irokease, you're root when you try to start that client?
05:31<irokease>costas-> I said 'xhost +local:$(MYHOSTNAME)', but "nothig else nappens" :))
05:32<b_52light>guys i'm recompiling my kernel
05:32<b_52light>and want to load my hd root file system in the kernel not as module
05:32<irokease>costas-> No, i'm not root, while trying to start X..
05:32<b_52light>i have already done that
05:32<b_52light>but now i need to controller HD to compile them not as module too
05:32<b_52light>here is my lspci
05:32<b_52light>http://pastie.org/1800167
05:33<b_52light>now my question in which part in the menu of the kernel config i could find those
05:33<irokease>b_52light-> Congratulations dude!! Have a nice kernel.. :))
05:33<b_52light>irokease, thank you :)
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05:33<b_52light>just not looking good till now :D
05:33<b_52light>but thanks :D
05:34<irokease>b_52light-> No shame!! Trying hard is a key to be woooooodoo!! :))
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05:35<demooriaan>why don't you simply use initrd?
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05:36<b_52light>demooriaan, following this tuto http://www.debiantutorials.com/compile-the-kernel-on-debian-etch/
05:36<b_52light>in the final step when it generate the .deb of the kernel
05:36<b_52light>fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers
05:36<b_52light>i specify --initrd as option
05:36<b_52light>demooriaan, but it doesn';t got generated
05:36<b_52light>irokease, :d
05:37<demooriaan>the initrd will be built when installing the kernel package, not on building the deb
05:38<b_52light>hm
05:38<babilen>b_52light: first, initrd has been replaced by initramfs -- Why do you want to compile that kernel at all? What are you trying to achieve?
05:38<demooriaan>--initrd still works
05:39<b_52light>babilen, i need a new kernel that support more than 4G of ram and include support wireless of my intel 5000 , and has linux-headers installed so i can use Virtualbox :d
05:39<b_52light>euh
05:39<babilen>demooriaan: I did not say that it does not. But I assume (wrongly?) that b_52light uses an initrd due to the tutorial being written for etch, rather than intentionally
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05:40<b_52light>babilen, yeap
05:40<demooriaan>maybe some drivers put out of choice?
05:40<babilen>b_52light: All of those issues do not necessitate that you roll your own kernel. Could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please?
05:40<b_52light>so i shouldn't use initrd ?
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05:40<babilen>!tell b_52light about kp mantra
05:41*demooriaan uses initrd, works fine
05:41<babilen>b_52light: + http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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05:41<b_52light>babilen, 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232]
05:41<babilen>b_52light: But I doubt it is necessary -- You can just install a -bigmem kernel or a an amd64 one (if your system is 64bit)
05:41<babilen>,pciid 8086:4232
05:41<judd>[8086:4232] is 'WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'iwlagn' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4232 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
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05:42<b_52light>babilen, this kernel i'm using now is fine find don't find the adequate linux-headers
05:42<demooriaan>modules-nonfree, maybe?
05:42<b_52light>to it
05:42<babilen>b_52light: The wifi device should be supported by iwlagn out of the box. You need firmware though.
05:42<babilen>!tell b_52light -about iwlagn
05:43<costas>irokease, you might not have a second screen, maybe your driver doesn't support it... read here and let me know if that's your situation...
05:43<babilen>b_52light: So, if you have a 64bit system (grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo) I would recommend to install an amd64 kernel (or a bigmem one if you desire or don't have a 64bit system) -- install the required firmware and you should be good to go
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05:44<babilen>b_52light: Which kernel do you use right now? (uname -a)
05:44<costas>irokease, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg07278.html
05:44<b_52light>babilen, 2.6.29-bpo.2-686-bigmem
05:45<demooriaan>lenny?
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05:45<b_52light>demooriaan, yes
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05:46<babilen>b_52light: That is a really old kernel. I would recommend to upgrade to squeeze and install either an amd64 kernel or stay with the bigmem one.
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05:47<b_52light>hm
05:47<babilen>b_52light: But even if you don't upgrade now, you definitely should install a newer kernel from backports.
05:47<babilen>,kernels
05:47<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
05:47<b_52light>babilen, yes because i don't find the adequate linux-headers from this one
05:47<babilen>b_52light: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 would be the one you are after. That one also supports your wireless. That being said: upgrade to squeeze :)
05:47<demooriaan>2.6.32 from backports should be fine
05:48<babilen>b_52light: No wonder, that kernel is long gone.
05:48<b_52light>babilen, aha !
05:48<demooriaan>the vanilla 2.6.32 is also alongterm supported kernel
05:48<irokease>costas-> No, it's not my situation.. Second X server starts, but client, that shoud use it can't open display :0.1
05:49<babilen>b_52light: Just upgrade to squeeze. You have to do it eventually anyway.
05:49<b_52light>babilen, ok
05:49<costas>irokease, did you check the appropriate xorg.conf tab?
05:49<b_52light>late pray that the upgrade pass without major ... :D
05:50<demooriaan>read the instructions/quirks on debian site
05:50<b_52light>ok
05:50<b_52light>thanks guys
05:50<babilen>b_52light: If you tell me a bit about your setup (running daemons, ....) I might be able to give additional tips. Just follow the release note -- /msg dpkg squeeze release notes -- and everything should be fine. Read *at least* "What's new in squeeze" and chapter 4
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05:51<b_52light>babilen, ok thanks
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05:51<babilen>dpkg: tell b_52light -about lenny->squeeze
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05:52<demooriaan>i had to uninstall some packages, don't know which anymore
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05:52<babilen>b_52light: The PM from dpkg contains the procedure in a nutshell, but leaves out a number of other important steps. You'll have no excuse if you don't follow the release notes and will be asked for your "script" (see man 1 script)
05:52<babilen>b_52light: Good luck!
05:52<costas>irokease, it seems you might want to read here too: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg
05:52<b_52light>babilen, thanks
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05:53<babilen>yw
05:54<vorteks>how can i tell what window manager im running?
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05:54<babilen>interesting question ... looking at it should help, but that is likely not what you are after, is it?
05:54<vorteks>no hehe
05:54<demooriaan>use dpkg -l kdm or dpkg -l gdm3 or dplg -l xdm
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05:54<gsimmons>babilen: If you come across anyone else affected by #618665, #619019 et al, the linux-image-* packages in proposed-updates are an alternative to downgrading to linux-2.6 2.6.32-30 (there's apparently a Xen regression in 2.6.32-33).
05:55<b_52light>one last question unrelated ==> backport i got problem when i run apt-get update i got W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA
05:55<demooriaan>another prob was in *-31
05:55<b_52light>even if i apt-get install debian-backports-keyring
05:55<babilen>gsimmons: Thanks for letting me know (is that mentioned already in the respctive bug reports?)
05:55<b_52light>doesn';t fixe it
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05:56<vorteks>gdm3 came up with info :)
05:56<demooriaan>with ii right?
05:57<vorteks>whats the best windows manger? compiz?
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05:58<demooriaan>wm != desktop environment
05:58<babilen>vorteks: That really is a matter of taste. fluxbox, awesomewm, wmii and xmonad are high on my list and compiz if excluded by default.
05:58<babilen>s.if/is
05:59<vorteks>how come compiz excluded?
05:59<demooriaan>some time ago compiz was used by/in kde
05:59<babilen>vorteks: Use whatever you like and feel comfortable with. We can't tell you what is best for you and will not try to. There is not a single metric that defines "best" for window managers.
05:59<vorteks>tru
05:59<vorteks>what has the best windows borders? hehe
05:59<demooriaan>extremely comfortable, but biiig:kde
06:00<demooriaan>gnome: a bit smaller, but very usable
06:00<Arrowmaster>but not configurable at all
06:00<demooriaan>depends
06:00<costas>i suggest gnome for amateurs, for speed freaks twm, vtwm or of course... fluxbox
06:00<babilen>vorteks: Eye candy is overrated and diverts my attention. It gets me out of "the zone" : http://jacquesmattheij.com/living+in+the+zone
06:01<SynrG>um?
06:01<SynrG>gnome is *quite* usable by people of all levels of skill
06:01<Arrowmaster>i mean metacity specifically, it has practically no configuration
06:01<SynrG>the issue is: do i want messing with the wm/desktop to be the focus of attention ...
06:01*Arrowmaster wishes he could turn off the damn shadows
06:01<SynrG>or do i just want things to work, and get on with the business of using applications
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06:02<SynrG>each solution has various levels of hassle/annoyance
06:02<demooriaan>if you like simple click for settings: use kde
06:03<SynrG>btw, gnome is flexible. you don't need to use metacity. when i use it, i invariably replace that with openbox
06:03<babilen>vorteks: But I am quite sure that you and me differ in what we find important. Gnome is a good choice for a *desktop environment* but lxde is too. Linux is (also) about choices and you should try some alternatives to figure out what *you* like. I would test: Gnome (with and without compiz), LXDE, KDE, fluxbox and awesomewm -- That gives you a good overview.
06:03<gsimmons>babilen: Not WRT to s-p-u. A SUA will be sent to debian-stable-announce once things are fixed, you can refer people to the nopointer factoid until then.
06:03<demooriaan>openbox runs almost everywhere
06:04<babilen>gsimmons: Ok, thanks for the update!
06:04<SynrG>i'm split between lxde and gnome for what i use/recommend. depends on context.
06:04<demooriaan>install both
06:04<vorteks>cool tanxs babilen
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06:05<demooriaan>lxde is look-and-feel almost like icewm
06:05<costas>it never hurts to try desktops (unless you're outta space)
06:05<babilen>vorteks: You can ask our bot about all of these -- /msg dpkg lxde -- /msg dpkg install lxde -- (replace lxde with gnome,kde,fluxbox,...)
06:05<costas>!beer costas
06:05*dpkg pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for costas
06:06<babilen>!tell costas -about selfbeer
06:06<babilen>;)
06:07<costas>I miss the old days specifically when a greek managed to make coffee under linux (there was a howto as well)... 8-D
06:07<demooriaan>hehe, just like brewing open-cola?
06:08<babilen>costas: I typically invert that: I make linux under coffee
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06:10<babilen>costas: But we are getting off-topic. You should check the websites of the desktop environment/window managers and watch a couple of videos on YT if you don't want to download everyhting (might take a while on a slow downlink) in order to get a feeling for it.
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06:11<demooriaan>for people that are interested in: the maintainer of flashplayer-nonfree has updated his files, you can get update for adobe flashplayer now with update-flashplayer-nonfree --install
06:12<demooriaan>at least for i386
06:12<babilen>make that "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"
06:12<demooriaan>on. yes
06:12<demooriaan>typos...
06:12<rhada>weasel: I sent you a signed a mail at debian some days ago did you receive it?
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06:16<vorteks>tor gives complete anonamouse dp\ont it?
06:17<vorteks>don't
06:17<vorteks>i mean hide your ip
06:18<SynrG>there is no such thing as "complete" anonymity. there are only approximations of it.
06:18<SynrG>tor seems to be a fairly good one
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06:19<vorteks>cool
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06:21<rhada>vorteks: I think thats the idea but use the tor CD /usb eveything in that debian cd is torified https://tails.boum.org/
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06:24<vorteks>tanxs
06:24<vorteks>hey whos that person that works for helpdesk
06:25<babilen>vorteks: sorry, I don't follow
06:25<s_i_m>demooriaan, you mean Adobe released a new version or?
06:25<vorteks>someone here told me they do techsupport
06:25<vorteks>:)
06:25<babilen>vorteks: → #moocows or #debian-offtopic
06:26<demooriaan>s_i_m yes *.159.* for i386
06:26<demooriaan>security fixes
06:26<s_i_m>ok, thanks
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06:35<costas>vorteks, you have the ram of a goldfish...8-D
06:36<SynrG>vorteks: you might find http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/flaws-spotlighted-in-tor-anonymity-network/ an interesting read
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06:36<EmleyMoor>No new flash for amd64 for a while...
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06:36<vorteks>hehe
06:36<costas>Adobe shoud be sued for monopoly tactics...
06:37<costas>we have been waiting for a proper amd64 version for weeks...
06:37<vorteks>wow
06:37<demooriaan>when html5 is spread wider, no flash will be needed for having video in browsers
06:37<vorteks>there in bed with intel whatya expect?
06:37<costas>amen to that demooriaan (and that's from an atheist)
06:38<vorteks>hehe
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06:38<rhada>SynrG: many changes since Dec 2010
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06:39<SynrG>rhada: it still illustrates my point
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06:39<rhada>SynrG: indeed it does
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06:42<costas>debian needs more promotion in europe... greek universities teach.. f#cken Ubuntu (too many glitches this year)
06:42<SynrG>rhada: something more recent: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/04/not-anonymous-attack-reveals-bittorrent-users-on-tor-network.ars
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06:46<vorteks>tanxs
06:46<rhada>SynrG: read that a few days ago , I think in the onion wiki it points out some weaknesses
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06:50<SynrG>rhada: ah. so i see
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07:03<costas>Have a nice weekend people... bye bye now
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07:32<ganeshp>hi all, I wanted to know is there any way to compress the destination files in rsync?
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07:36<w0jtas>Hello, how to make jail like in FreeBSD with specified ip? I have application and i want to run it in chroot with specified ip
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07:37<cyrusnk>retrospectacus, hi man, missed me?:)
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07:44<w0jtas>anyone can help ?
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08:16<vorteks>hello,
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08:16<vorteks>im running squeeze and it wont let me surf the web
08:17<vorteks>i can irc though
08:17<vorteks>any ideas?
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08:18<w0jtas>Hello, how to make jail like in FreeBSD with specified ip? I have application and i want to run it in chroot with specified ip
08:18<SynrG>vorteks: blocked by your network? uses a proxy?
08:18<vorteks>nope
08:18<SynrG>dns failure?
08:18<vorteks>works fine in winblows i mean windows
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08:19<set>hi
08:19<vorteks>not sure what to do?
08:19<SynrG>w0jtas: lxc?
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08:20<SynrG>might be overkill ...
08:20<daemonkeeper>Linux does not support jails. The thing coming closest to FreeBSD's jail concept is Linux-vserver
08:20<vorteks>i got google name public nameserver
08:20<SynrG>w0jtas: or else configure a different virtual interface on the other ip# outside of the chroot and just bind to that.
08:20<set>I upgrade from squeeze to sid on my desktop becouse want some newest programs like kadu ect... but yesterdej developers do somethink with gnome... its my best enviroment... no must work on xfce4 becouse cant install gnome by wrong dependies... as any way to back from sid to sqeeze?
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08:21<NyberMi1>Hello!
08:21<daemonkeeper>set: No way
08:21<daemonkeeper>!downgrade
08:21<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
08:21<SynrG>daemonkeeper: linux-vserver vs. lxc? i thought lxc was supposed to be "chroot on steroids" or something
08:21<daemonkeeper>SynrG: Linux-vserver is actually pretty much the same as a FreeBSD jail
08:21<NyberMi1>Been here earlier but got little response... im having trouble with my desktop machine and debian. Suspend works ok but resuming from suspend just leaves the screens black and i have to hard reset the computer. Any ideas what could be wrong?
08:22<set>hmm and what you prefere on desktop? sqeeze or sid?
08:22<w0jtas>SynrG: i have virtual interface but how to bind it to chroot ?
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08:23<daemonkeeper>set: If you have to ask, use Squeeze.
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08:23<vorteks>and when i ping googles ip i get fast pings but when i ping google.com it takes a few seconds to reply
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08:27<set>ok so last qestion: is posiible install new kadu 0.90 to sqeeze? on sqeeze repo is only version 0.6.x
08:27<daemonkeeper>!ssb
08:27<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:28<set>:) ok bye:)
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08:29<NyberMi1>anyone have any tips about the suspend problems?
08:29<NyberMi1>seems like a recentish kernel issue
08:30<vorteks>and when i go to update it says could not resolve http.us.debian.org any ideas?
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08:31<vorteks>and i cant www either. :(
08:31<phifer>vorteks, but no problems getting on here or you on a different box?
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08:31<vorteks>nope same box
08:31<NyberMi1>dns problems?
08:31<vorteks>probably
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08:31<phifer>wireless router?
08:31<vorteks>no
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08:32<phifer>whats in /etc/resolv.conf
08:32<vorteks>one sec
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08:36<GiovaDark>Hola
08:36<vorteks>ok i got it
08:36<phifer>fixed?
08:36<vorteks>phifer: ameserver 192.168.1.254
08:36<vorteks>no
08:37<vorteks>:(
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08:37<phifer>does it say ameserver or nameserver?
08:37<GiovaDark>Speak spanish?
08:37<vorteks>\nameserver
08:37<vorteks>wait
08:37<vorteks>nameserver\
08:38<David_Hernandez>GiovaDark, there is an spanish channel at #debian-es
08:38<vorteks>nameserver heh
08:38<vorteks>i fixed it i added googles public ns's
08:38<GiovaDark>What?
08:39<David_Hernandez>GiovaDark: canal en español en #debian-es
08:39<GiovaDark>www.pedrorecreadorweb.jimdo.com
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08:40<David_Hernandez>After doing an upgrade on testing, my X stop working. When I access the nvidia settings, I've receive the next message:
08:40<vorteks>woohoo finaly fixed thanxs
08:40<David_Hernandez>You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
08:40<David_Hernandez>running nvidia-config solves nothing, any idea?
08:41<towo`>was there a kernel and/or x in upgrade?
08:41<NyberMi1>you have nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-config both mentioned there... is that intentionally different?
08:41<David_Hernandez>was a mistake, I've used nvidia-xconfig
08:41<towo`>if yes, rebuild the kernel-module for your running kernel and/or reinstall the nvidia-glx x-driver
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08:41<David_Hernandez>I've completly reinstalled the nvidia-glx, and didn't work
08:42<towo`>then rebuild the kernel-module
08:42<David_Hernandez>And it was a safe upgrade, didn't installed new packages, so, same kernel as before
08:42<towo`>and look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, what's wrong
08:42<David_Hernandez>how can I rebuild the kernel?
08:42<David_Hernandez>*kernel-module
08:42<towo`>depends, how you have installed the packages
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08:43<towo`>and again, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log what's wrong
08:43<David_Hernandez>I've downloaded the last nvidia drivers from the nvidia webpage
08:43<towo`>you are realy a hero
08:43<towo`>you should install the drivers on the debian way
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08:44<NyberMi1>the debian way resulted in ancient drivers in my case
08:44<NyberMi1>which didn't real work for my needs concerning wine usage
08:44<David_Hernandez>towo`, I did it in first place and didn't solved anything
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08:45<David_Hernandez>From the log: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
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08:47<towo`>David_Hernandez, should dpkg -l | grep nvidia should show anything, then it can't work
08:47<towo`>David_Hernandez, btw, what card, which driver-version you want to use?
08:47<towo`>David_Hernandez, and (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) sayes all
08:47<babilen>David_Hernandez: udev version? do you have a /run directory?
08:48<towo`>btw, it would be nice to see the whole x-log
08:48<David_Hernandez>the card is geforce 9100M G, supported by this driver:http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.44-driver.html
08:49<towo`>260.19.44 are in debian testing, so no need to use the unsupportet installer
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08:49<babilen>David_Hernandez: How did you install that driver? And could you answer my previous question ... please? *wink*
08:50<David_Hernandez>I've installed the driver follwoing the instructions: gdm stop, sh NVIDIA... and gdm start
08:50<NyberMi1>so nobody here has had trouble with suspend? im starting to feel like the only one affected.
08:51<babilen>David_Hernandez: what about udev and /run?
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08:51<David_Hernandez>I don't have a /run folder
08:51<Pikos>Hi
08:51<David_Hernandez>udev 164-3
08:52<babilen>David_Hernandez: You are aware that installing from nvidia.com is not supported and not a good idea. I would strongly encourage you to use the debian method -- /msg dpkg nvidia dkms -- If you want help with your current installation try #nvidia on irc.freenode.net
08:52<babilen>David_Hernandez: It might still be a good idea to ask #nvidia how to (cleanly) remove their driver.
08:52<David_Hernandez>Thanks babilen, but I've tried it first and didn't worked either
08:52<David_Hernandez>ok, thanks
08:53<babilen>David_Hernandez: You are not really updating that frequently, aren't you?
08:54<Pikos>i'm having some troubles configuring my debian to share it's wireless internet connexion
08:54<babilen>David_Hernandez: The configuration (the xorg.conf.d stanza) in the "nvidia dkms" factoid assumed that you don't have a xorg.conf
08:54<babilen>s/assumed/assumes
08:54<David_Hernandez>No, I'm not
08:54<David_Hernandez>Usually I don't update
08:55<babilen>David_Hernandez: That is not a good idea if you are running a development release of Debian. :)
08:55<David_Hernandez>And today I've learned that it was a good idea not to update
08:55<Pikos>I configure eth0 for my local network but when I connect with Wicd to wifi my eth0 is ereased and i lost the local connexion
08:55<David_Hernandez>til today was working fine
08:56<babilen>David_Hernandez: Wrong lesson. You should have learned that running wheezy (or testing pre-freeze) will cause breakage and problems.
08:56<babilen>David_Hernandez: You might want to paste your Xorg.0.log and the complete aptitude log of your update session to paste.debian.net after you got rid of the nvidia drivers.
08:57<David_Hernandez>I already removed the nvidia driver
08:58<Pikos>Can you tell me how can I connect eth0 and wlan0 at the same time plz?
09:00<David_Hernandez>Here is the complete Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/114223/
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09:01<towo`>without a xorg.conf.d stanza nvidia will never work
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09:02<babilen>David_Hernandez: You have to reboot your system to enable the nouveau blacklist
09:03<babilen>David_Hernandez: And make sure you run the command to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
09:03<cyrusnk>why do i get Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0 after ifup wlan0?
09:04<babilen>cyrusnk: Probably because you did not connfigure that interface in /etc/network/interfaces
09:05<David_Hernandez>ok, rebooting
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09:06<cyrusnk>babilen, the debian wiki said that i shouldn't have anything in my interfaces file, i have only the loopback. man, this is the 3rd day of trying to setup my wireless connection. help please
09:07<babilen>cyrusnk: I'll help you in a second.
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09:12<babilen>cyrusnk: Hei, I'll be back in 5 minutes... see ya!
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09:20<vorteks>stupid question but how do i shutdown gnome wutg out having to restart?
09:20<vorteks>wutg/with
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09:20<towo`>/etc/init.d/gdm stop?
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09:24<vorteks>its gdm3 an no did not work :(
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09:24<towo`>the servicename is gdm
09:24<babilen>cyrusnk_: So, I'm back. I need a bit more details about what you are currently doing and what kind of machine you have. It would also help to know if you have to connect to different networks and so.
09:25<towo`>vorteks, and "did not work" is not a errormessage
09:25<babilen>there is a gdm3 service too
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09:25<vorteks>yea no gdm only gdm3
09:26<vorteks>and gdm3 stop says unable to oppen display
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09:26<user>www
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09:27<cyrusnk_>babilen, i have a linksys wireless router(PPPOE), and the router send net through DHCP to 1 windows laptop wireless and to a debian desktop(i can connect by wire and i'm on the internet now) but i want to setup not to use wire but wireless. what dou you want to know more
09:27<Pikos>Can someone help me to share my connexion between linux and seven?
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09:28<vorteks>heck i even ran it in the dispaly manager and it gave same error
09:28<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ok, do you have to connect to more wireless networks or will you only connect to this one? How is the network encrypted (if at all)?
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09:29<cyrusnk_>babilen, i will connect only to one wireless network with the laptop and with the desktop. now it's WPA2 encrypted
09:29<vorteks>screw it hehe i just do a had reboot
09:29<cyrusnk_>babilen, iwconfig gives me this: http://www.pastie.org/1800603
09:29<vorteks>i mean hard
09:29<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ok, thank you. I would recommend to configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces and not use network-manager or wicd -- Would that be OK?
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09:30<cyrusnk_>babilen, yes
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09:33<babilen_>cyrusnk_: hei, sorry. got knocked of the net.
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09:34<cyrusnk_>babilen, here is my current interface: http://www.pastie.org/1800611
09:34<babilen>cyrusnk_: Will you ever have to connect to another network? If not, I would recommend to just configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces as detailed in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz → 2. Mode #1: Managed Mod
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09:36<cyrusnk_>babilen, no, if i ever wanted i will connect to wire and right now it works
09:36<babilen>cyrusnk_: That looks ok, what happens when you run "ifup wlan0" ?
09:36<cyrusnk_>babilen, ifup: interface wlan0 already configured
09:37<babilen>cyrusnk_: "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 ; iwconfig wlan0" ?
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09:38<babilen>cyrusnk_: → http://paste.debian.net -- include output of "ifconfig -a" too
09:39<cyrusnk_>babilen, i did ifdown wlan0 ok but when i'm doing ifup wlan0 it starts the DHCP and i get some lines with DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 and interval 6, 13, 13, 17, 12 and after that: No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
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09:40<KALRONG>hello everybody
09:40<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://www.pastie.org/1800635 for ifconfig -a
09:40<KALRONG>babilen, i have bad news :(
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09:40<babilen>KALRONG: I don't like the sound of that :)
09:41<tuhin>me nither
09:42<cyrusnk_>babilen, retrospectacus told me yesterday that i have a problem with routing and to add a default route but when i put the command "route add default gw 192.168.1.1 dev wlan0" i get an error: SIOCADDRT: No such process
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09:42<babilen>KALRONG: What is the problem?
09:43<KALRONG>babilen, yesterday i continue putting the software i usually use, and i dunno why the pulse audio was installed and started messing my sound configuration (skype crashing, spotify crashing, no sound, sound cards dissapearing, etc) and only i can think about doing an "aptitude purge libdls1.2debian-all" basically i almost destroyed totally the X and half of the configuration, I reinstalled debian again and right now Im working with the ha
09:43<KALRONG>rd drives, already know how to deal with the nouveau :P
09:43<babilen>cyrusnk_: Are you sure that your router hands out DHCP leases? What is that pan0 interface? What do you get when you run "iwconfig" and what is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?
09:44<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, that sounds as if you fucked your box, but what is the problem right now?
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09:45<KALRONG>babilen, nothing really i had a couple of problems again with the nvidia but i manage to fix it, and now im trying to find out the lines for the fstab, the ones you told me yesterday to automount the hd
09:45<cyrusnk_>babilen, i have a laptop that has wireless from the router, it gets an IP and everything is ok. i don't know what pan0 is. i'll paste the results
09:45<babilen>KALRONG: Hang on, I'll grep my logs
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09:45<KALRONG>babilen, thanks
09:46<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114226/ for iwconfig
09:46<babilen>KALRONG: "UUID=THE_UUID /mnt/windows ntfs-3g rw,conv=auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0"
09:47<KALRONG>babilen, thanks again, i think i owe you more tapas and some wine :)
09:47<babilen>hehe
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09:47<babilen>KALRONG: I'll probably be in Logroño this fall, but that is still a bit away of your tapas :)
09:48<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114227/ and this is lspci
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09:49<babilen>cyrusnk_: hmm, could you paste the complete output of "lspci -knn" please?
09:49<babilen>cyrusnk_: Or do you have an USB wifi adaptor?
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09:49<cyrusnk_>babilen, it's usb
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09:49<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ah, ok. lspci is a bad choice in that case. lsusb then please :)
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09:50<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114228/ it's there the usb
09:50<babilen>cyrusnk_: btw, can you disable encryption for debugging purposes?
09:50<cyrusnk_>babilen, yes
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09:51<cyrusnk_>babilen, i disabled it
09:51<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ok, I take it that you have ralink firmware and all that installed?
09:52<cyrusnk_>babilen, firmware-ralink is installed
09:52<cyrusnk_>babilen, what else should be installed?
09:53<KALRONG>going to restart, comming back in a minute
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09:53<babilen>cyrusnk_: Could you run "modprobe -r rt2800usb ; modprobe rt2800usb ; dmesg | tail -n23" and "ifdown wlan0 ; iwconfig ; iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_ESSID ; ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwconfig wlan0 ; dhclient wlan0" and paste commands + output?
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09:53<babilen>cyrusnk_: "all that" == "nothing else" in this case ;)
09:54<cyrusnk_>babilen, :)
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09:55<cyrusnk_>babilen, first lot: http://paste.debian.net/114229/
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09:56<babilen>looks good
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09:57<KALRONG>babilen, i love knowing where the problems are, for doing the same we did yesterday in almost 4 hours it took me just 1.5 hours to do it today
09:57<babilen>KALRONG: hehe
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09:57<cyrusnk_>babilen, the second command lot: http://paste.debian.net/114230/
09:59<babilen>cyrusnk_: Hmm, you don't associate. If you run "watch iwconfig wlan0" do you associate eventually?
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10:00<babilen>KALRONG: Yeah, a bunch of steps could have been done faster. But a problem can typically be broken up into several subproblems and some of them depend on each other. I therefore always start with the first subproblem and work myself up. :)
10:01<cyrusnk_>babilen, Access Point: Not-Associated
10:02<babilen>cyrusnk_: And you turned off encryption? Can you paste the (anonymised) output of "iwlist wlan0 scan" ?
10:02<babilen>cyrusnk_: I have to confess that I am a bit at loss here :-\
10:02<KALRONG>babilen, actually i was stuck with the nvidia-glx that yesterday already gave me problemas in the end i manage to fix it, but right now everything is working fine, at least for now hehe
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10:02<babilen>KALRONG: wonderful -- just don't break it again ;)
10:02<KALRONG>cyrusnk_ may i ask if you tried to connect the laptop using a cable to the router?
10:03<babilen>KALRONG: But breaking and fixing is also a great way to learn.
10:03<babilen>KALRONG: That works perfectly
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10:03<cyrusnk_>babilen, i turned off encryption. iwlist wlan0 scan: wlan0 No scan results
10:03<KALRONG>babilen, believe i dont want to, i break it at 5 am i almost throw the computer throw the window
10:03<babilen>cyrusnk_: You don't see the network. Repeat the scanning, is it picked up eventually?
10:04<babilen>KALRONG: haha
10:04<KALRONG>just one think about that, i have a similar problem with my wireless usb but it was a problem with the driver itself
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10:04<cyrusnk_>babilen, the laptop is not the problem, the desktop is the problem, the desktop is where i am now and if i connect the desktop with wire it works great. the laptop works with wire and wireless
10:04<babilen>KALRONG: what was the problem?
10:05<babilen>cyrusnk_: the laptop is also running debian? And yes, I am aware of that :)
10:05<cyrusnk_>babilen, no...it's win xp
10:05<vorteks>when i try to start compiz in debian i get this error (compiz-decorator:2134): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_set_string: assertion `val != NULL' failed ....I also read the debian compiz wiki
10:05<babilen>cyrusnk_: ok
10:05<KALRONG>the driver for the chipset that came with the debian kernel wasnt working very well with the usb version but if you used a live like backtrack it worked so i researched a little bit about the chipset and found a couple of solutions
10:06<babilen>KALRONG: yeah, that is a problem I suspect as well.
10:06<babilen>cyrusnk_: I guess you don't find the network?
10:06<cyrusnk_>babilen, a few hours ago when i scaned i get the access point...now i don't know why it didn't pick anything
10:06<vorteks>any ideas?
10:06<KALRONG>babilen, i had LOTS of problems with usb wireless and then i bought a pci-e one and i didnt need to touch it
10:06<cyrusnk_>babilen, what about routing?
10:07<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114231/
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10:08<Osiris_X>separate /usr partition has not been technically supported in a while (post 2.6.26 kernel I think) and I want to merge my root and usr partitions on a live system - what is the best way to do this?
10:08<babilen>cyrusnk_: the routing for ethernet is fine
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10:08<nevyn>Osiris_X: seperate /usr is absolutely still a supported configuration
10:09<KALRONG>but the problem is that the wireless doesnt connect or that it doesnt manage to get and ip?
10:09<nevyn>it might not be reccomended or sensible anymore in some peoples opinion but if it's what you've got I wouldn't think that messing with it for the sake of it was a good idea at all
10:09<Osiris_X>nevyn: accepted not supported - it is apparently responsible for numerous bugs filed for silently failing applications - particularly udev related
10:10<Osiris_X>nevyn, http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
10:10<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ok, lets try the vendor module. Run "modprobe -r rt2800usb ; modprobe rt2870sta ; dmesg | tail -n23" "ifconfig -a ; iwconfig ; iwconfig wlan0 essid YOURESSID ; iwconfig" and then "dhclient wlan0"
10:12<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114232/
10:12<nevyn>Osiris_X: hrm ok.
10:12<nevyn>that doesn't mean it's not supported in debian
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10:13<nevyn>things creating udev rules relying on /usr being availible would be policy bugs I would think
10:13<Osiris_X>nevyn, I only found out because I migrated to systemd from sysvinit
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10:13<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114233/
10:13<babilen>cyrusnk_: ah, damns .. I forgot a "ifconfig wlan0 up" before the second "iwconfig"
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10:13<nevyn>Osiris_X: so you're using lvm? or real partitions?
10:13<Osiris_X>nevyn, I understand what you are saying, but if these failures are difficult to recognise and resolve - then it will be bloody hard to support it adequately
10:14<Osiris_X>nevyn, yes I am using lvm2
10:14<babilen>cyrusnk_: nevermind -- is the module loaded? "lsmod|grep rt2870sta" ?
10:14<nevyn>Osiris_X: is root and /usr on lvm?
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10:14<Osiris_X>nevyn, yes and the happen to be physically adjacent
10:14<cyrusnk_>babilen, cyrusnk# lsmod|grep rt2870sta
10:14<cyrusnk_>rt2870sta 361003 0
10:14<cyrusnk_>crc_ccitt 1323 1 rt2870sta
10:14<cyrusnk_>usbcore 122386 7 rt73usb,rt2870sta,rt2x00usb,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
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10:15<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114234/ sorry:)
10:15<nevyn>Osiris_X: so grow your / then copy /usr into /usr2 then umount /usr and rename /usr2
10:16<nevyn>Osiris_X: Osiris_X making sure permissions are preserved etc etc
10:16<nevyn>Osiris_X: do you have spare lvm space to do this with?
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10:16<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ok -- run "modprobe -r rt2870sta ; modprobe -r rt2x00usb ; modprobe -r rt2800usb ; lsmod" and paste that. Run "modprobe rt2870sta ; dmesg | tail -n23" afterwards if to "rt*" module is loaded. If you see one "modprobe -r" it too
10:17<cyrusnk_>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114235/
10:17<Osiris_X>nevyn - this is the tricky part - my / is very small - 512 mb and my usr is 8GB :(
10:18<zeropiel>trying to get an audigy to work on squeeze fresh install
10:18<nevyn>Osiris_X: do you have spare space in the VG?
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10:18<babilen>cyrusnk_: Ok, still some modules loaded. Run "modprobe -r rt73usb" and "modprobe -r rt2x00usb" too
10:18<nevyn>Osiris_X: making / bigger isn't a problem
10:18<zeropiel>done the alsa things and alsamixer, all volumes are up
10:19<Osiris_X>nevyn, no the best I could do would be to reduce my swap partition (2.5 GB) and use some of that
10:19<nevyn>Osiris_X: add a usb disk as temporary lvm space.
10:19<nevyn>how full is /usr?
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10:19<babilen>cyrusnk_: Any output when you run "lsmod|grep -e '^rt'" ?
10:20<Osiris_X>nevyn, interesting idea - usr is 60% full
10:20<cyrusnk_>babilen, it hangs at modprobe -r rt73usb
10:20<nevyn>Osiris_X: so add a pv using a file on a usb hdd. of 10gig expand / move usr remove the usr pv and pvremove the file
10:20<nevyn>lvm is awesome have I mentioned
10:21<KALRONG>everything up and running again, now i only need to find a bloody mail client that allow me to connect to a exchange server
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10:22<gsimmons>babilen, cyrusnk_: It might be preferable to blacklist one of the drivers (e.g. rt2800usb) and remove/reinsert the device, in order to allow the other driver to claim it.
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10:23<cyrusnk_>babilen, how?:)
10:23<babilen>gsimmons: Yes, that was exactly my idea. I'll have a cigarrette now. Feel free to talk cyrusnk_ through the blacklisting until I'm back.
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10:24<Osiris_X>nevyn, ok so basically move the usr pv to the usb stick and mount it from there, then remove the pv from the main system and expand / into the space
10:24<cyrusnk_>gsimmons, how?:)
10:24<Osiris_X>then copy /usr back
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10:24<nevyn>Osiris_X: that's even nicer
10:24<babilen>!blacklist
10:24<dpkg>In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting
10:25<gsimmons>cyrusnk_: "echo rt2800usb > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf" should be sufficient. Consider removing your device and unloading rt*-related modules before reinserting.
10:25<nevyn>if you move the /usr lv you can just expand the / lv
10:25<KALRONG>babilen, i found out why the pulseaudio was installed and messed up everything, was because of the mumble, i was going to install it and saw the pulseaudio crap
10:25<Osiris_X>nevy, ok great - any gotcha's you can think of? i.e. I guess I have to be careful about rebooting with an incorrect fstab
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10:25<nevyn>Osiris_X: you just need to comment the line with /usr
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10:26<babilen>cyrusnk_: I would experiment with *both* modules (rt2800usb and rt2870sta) -- blacklist one of them and test the other. You can also try a newer (i.e. 2.6.38 from sid) kernel by downloading it manually (packages.debian.org) (linux-image-... + linux-base) and installing it manually with "dpkg -i" ...
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10:26<babilen>KALRONG: yeah, PA needs to be configured as well.
10:26<Osiris_X>nevyn, aaahhh ok if if move the usr lv then I actually won't have that problem :)
10:26<babilen>cyrusnk_: I'll be back later
10:26<Osiris_X>as it stays unique
10:26<cyrusnk_>babilen, ok, thanks man a lot!
10:26<nevyn>Osiris_X: right it's a move not a copy
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10:27<nevyn>the extents of the lv are moved to the usb drive
10:28<Osiris_X>nevyn, ok great it looks like this way I don't need a livecd/liveusb
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10:29<nevyn>Osiris_X: the hairy bit is the umount of /usr and mv /usr2 /usr
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10:30<Osiris_X>nevyn, yes I would have to shutdown all services and apps running from /usr and pray that the lvm tools are not in /usr LOL
10:30<nevyn>it's probably safest to do this stuff from a livecd but you could just do that last bit in single user
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10:32<KALRONG>babilen, i have a little problem, i dunno why the alsamixer instead of choosing the internal sound card now is using the skype phone as sound card, how can i change that?
10:33<vorteks>Can anyone pleas help me with my compiz problem in squeeze?
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10:35<nevyn>KALRONG: press F6?
10:36<babilen>KALRONG: "cat /proc/asound/cards" gives you what?
10:36<babilen>KALRONG: You can also change the card with .... waht nevyn said :)
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10:37<vorteks>dpkg compiz
10:37<dpkg>Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net.
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10:37<KALRONG>mmmmmm i changed it using f6 but no sound is comming out on the spotify and it was working after rebooting, then the skype phone appeared as 0 and the sound stopped
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10:38<nevyn>Osiris_X: on debian they're not.. if only suse was so enlightened
10:38<jhala>best package for digital circuit simulation and nice circuits to cut nd paste elsewhere
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10:39<jan>Hello
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10:40<WWW>Hallo
10:40<KALRONG>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114240/ this is what i get with the cat
10:40<WWW>speak your german
10:40<babilen>KALRONG: Did you change module options regarding the index of soundcards? USB devices are typically prevented from grabbing index 0 by "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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10:41<babilen>WWW: Du willst #debian.de
10:41<KALRONG>babilen, could be because pulse audio changed it?
10:41<WWW>danke babilen
10:41<babilen>WWW: Kein ding :)
10:42<babilen>KALRONG: Have you changed anything in /etc/modprobe.d/* ?
10:42<KALRONG>babilen, no, at least not manually
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10:44<babilen>KALRONG: Hmm ... You could force the default index by following the guide linked from "/msg dpkg default alsa"
10:44<jhala>best package for digital circuit simulation and nice circuits to cut nd paste elsewhere on ubuntu
10:44<babilen>KALRONG: That is a different method than setting the index by module options. But I don't quite understand why a USB device was allowed to grep index 0
10:44<babilen>jhala: This is a Debian support channel. You want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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10:44<KALRONG>babilen, let me check the alsa-base.conf
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10:45<KALRONG>babilen, yep that option is in -2
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10:46<babilen>KALRONG: Please do that -- You can also remove the modules in question (modprobe -r snd_usb_audio ; modprobe -r snd_hda_intel) and reinsert them with "modprobe snd_hda_intel ; modprobe snd_usb_audio)
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10:47<KALRONG>babilen, if i remove the modules and put them back could it fix the problem? that guide in "/msg dpkg default alsa" is quite complicated and i dont want to mess up again the installation hehe
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10:48<babilen>KALRONG: *shrug* -- shouldn't really happen. Not entirely sure what caused this, but creating a ~/.asoundrc or a /etc/asound.conf and setting the default in there might work. If you use PA you might want the /etc/asound.conf (or ~/.asoundrc) to be something like p://paste.debian.net/114241/
10:49<babilen>KALRONG: I think that reinserting the modules would help, yes. Note http://paste.debian.net/114241/ if you run pulseaudio
10:49<babilen>KALRONG: You can use "pavucontrol" to set per-application volume levels in pulseaudio
10:49<KALRONG>babilen, i preffer to stick with alsa and find another solution for the mumble i had problems with pulseaudio in the pass and i dont want to use it
10:49<babilen>KALRONG: ok
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10:51<KALRONG>im gonna restart to see if it worked
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10:57<arz>Hello, who can tell me why? 1: no ifconfig in netinst, 2: netinst cd did not put any package repository in sources.list, 3: usb mouse connected via ps/2 adapter is not working in X
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11:00<KALRONG>babilen, using the modprobe fixed the problem :)
11:00<babilen>KALRONG: Good, although I still don't understand how this happened in the first place. :-\
11:01<KALRONG>babilen, welcome to the world of my computer, the do things without know how :P
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11:05<vorteks>how can i upgrade to testing?
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11:06<amphi>vorteks: if you don't know, are you sure you should? things break in testing
11:07<vorteks>True but i need a version of compiz that works
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11:07<macondo>hi, is there a bug with numlockx? I put in my .xinitrc (numlockx &) but it does not come on when i enter the X system. thanks
11:08<macondo>using Squeeze, sorry
11:09<amphi>vorteks: you mean that the version of compiz in squeeze doesn't work?
11:09<vorteks>not for me
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11:17<macondo>anybody knows?
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11:20<vorteks>Can someone please point me to the guide on how to upgrade to wheezy?
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11:21<ckk>macondo: might be #482592 (I have that one)
11:21<macondo>ckk, so you have the same problem?
11:21<babilen>vorteks: That is a very bad idea. Try backporting compiz from sid -- /msg dpkg ssb
11:22<sney>vorteks: there is no guide at this point, wheezy is too unstable right now for people who need a guide to install it
11:22<ckk>macondo: yes
11:22<macondo>thanks, buddy
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11:22<ckk>macondo: it's been around for quite some time, apparently it only affects some people
11:23<babilen>dpkg: tell vorteks -about lenny->squeeze
11:23<macondo>ckk, i know in Sid it works fine :(
11:23<babilen>vorteks: and s/squeeze/wheezy in your sources.list -- But I can just repeat it once more: *don't* do this. Wheezy is in a horrible state right now and you shouldn't "upgrade" to it.
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11:24<vorteks>hehe i used to run sid but i cant remember how lol
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11:24<vorteks>ok
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11:25<babilen>vorteks: sid is actually a saner option *right now* -- But I would just backport compiz from sid and be done with it. Another approach would be to fix your squeeze compiz setup. What did #compiz say?
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11:46<vorteks>back\
11:48<vorteks>im back
11:48<babilen>so?
11:48<quietone>hi, I want libebook 2.32.3, but on squeeze it is 2.30. How do I find 2.32.2 version?
11:49<babilen>,versions libebook
11:49<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libebook' was found in i386.
11:49<babilen>,versions libebook1.2-10
11:50<judd>Package libebook1.2-10 on i386 -- sid: 2.32.2-4; wheezy: 2.32.2-4; experimental: 3.0.0-1
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11:50<sney>backport it!
11:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 481] by debhelper
11:51<jhutchins_lt>!tell quietone about ssb
11:51<babilen>judd: rdepends libebook1.2-9
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11:52*babilen pokes judd
11:53<babilen>I wouldn't necessarily backport that library. A bunch of packages depend on it and might break if you upgrade to th newer version.
11:53<babilen>quietone: What do you need the newer version for?
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11:53<quietone>I have a dream of compiling evolution
11:53<babilen>why?
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11:55<babilen>quietone: I am not saying that it can't be done, but it will probably be a lot of work because some of the libraries used by evolution are used by a bunch of other applications as well that you will have to backport too.
11:56<quietone>2 reasons. I subscribe to the evo mailing list and learn of fixes that I would like right now and just to learn
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11:56<vorteks>ugg not again every time u reboot i have to add the dns server to resolve.conf and it dissapears on reboot any suggestions?
11:57<vorteks>how can i make it permanent?
11:57<vorteks>im rubbing squeeze
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11:57<vorteks>rubbing=running
11:58<sney>I believe you can put nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces, man 5 interfaces for the syntax
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11:58<vorteks>tanxs
11:59<demooriaan_>yes, but then you can't handle these interfaces with network-manager
12:00<nysec>ifconfig
12:00<vorteks>so what should i do?
12:00<babilen>demooriaan_: Who mentioned network-manager?
12:00<demooriaan_>only working for ifup/-down
12:00<babilen>vorteks: How do you configure your network?
12:00<nysec>vorteks: ifconfig
12:01<vorteks>hrm
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12:02<vorteks>how i set this?
12:02<babilen>vorteks: How is your network configured right now?
12:02<demooriaan_>do you click enabling network?
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12:03<vorteks>were do i click?
12:03<babilen>*sigh*
12:03<vorteks>oh im behind a router
12:03<KALRONG>babilen, i need to run the modprobe everytime i restart to fix that sound problem :( also i fixed the problem i had with the hard drive and the drive xpert, if i put the drive xpert in normal mode in the bios only the port 0 will work but i moved the hard drive on the port 1 to a free sata port i have (the last one free) and now i have all the hard drives working perfectly
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12:03<babilen>vorteks: Do you know how you configure your network? Have you configured it in /etc/network/interfaces or do you use a tool like network-manager or wicd?
12:04<vorteks>i dont honestly no sorry
12:04<demooriaan_>you use a router, and wired connection?
12:05<babilen>KALRONG: ok, Could you run and paste the following commands: "grep intel /etc/modprobe.d/*" and "lspci -knn" please?
12:05<vorteks>network interfaces
12:06<babilen>vorteks: Do you have an applet in the gnome task bar which you can click to select wireless networks? What does "ps aux|grep nm-applet" return?
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12:07<KALRONG>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114244/ the first two lines are the grep one and the rest are the lspci ones
12:08<vorteks>here ya go
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12:08<babilen>KALRONG: And whenever you boot one of the USB devices (the sip phone) grabs index 0?
12:08<vorteks>root@guardian:/home/vortek# ps aux|grep nm-applet vortek 1862 0.0 0.7 129384 9716 ? S 04:41 0:00 nm-applet --sm-disable root 2108 0.0 0.0 3304 752 pts/1 S+ 05:06 0:00 grep nm-applet
12:09<KALRONG>babilen, yes
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12:10<babilen>vorteks: Ok, you are using nm-applet. You can set a DNS server when you edit the connections (right click, edit connections) and change the connection type (forgot the exact name) and set a suitable DNS server. (a free one like 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4 or the one from your ISP comes to mind) -- This should actually be st by DHCP and I am not sure why you don't get that value.
12:11<vorteks>wre do i right click
12:11<vorteks>were
12:11<babilen>KALRONG: I am stumped -- snd_usb_audio is specified with index=-2 which should prevent them from grabbing index 0 -- You might actually have to go the ~/.asoundrc /etc/asound.conf route ...
12:11<babilen>vorteks: On the applet in the gnome task bar (at the top, right side)
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12:12<KALRONG>babilen, there is no way to do like a script that do the modprobe thing at the startup?
12:13<babilen>KALRONG: Well, if you asked me this question and I wouldn't know anything about it I would tell you to set the module options ....
12:13<vorteks>hrmm
12:13<KALRONG>babilen, im lost there
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12:14<babilen>KALRONG: But let us check another thing first. In a way I assumed that the headset uses the snd_usb_audio module, but I am not quite sure about that. Could you run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and give me the URL?
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12:15<vorteks>not working yet :(
12:15<babilen>vorteks: What does not work? What did you try/change?
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12:17<KALRONG>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114245/ there you go, in there the intel appear as 0 coz i already did the modprobe thing
12:17<babilen>vorteks: Please paste the output of "gconftool-2 -R /system/networking/connections" *REMOVE **PERSONAL** INFORMATION* such as ESSIDs, MAC addresses, passwords, ... and put it into a private/hidden pastebin.
12:17<babilen>KALRONG: Could you run the same thing before the modprobe thing?
12:17<josephseraos>I've downloaded a Gnome3 LiveCD. Now, is there how to install it on Debian Squeeze?
12:18<babilen>KALRONG: Ah, you have to reboot for that, don't you? Let me have a look at that paste first ...
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12:18<cyrusnk>babilen, retrospectacus, gsimmons i made it guys! thank you all! the wireless is working. The first problem was that i had rt73usb instead of rt2870sta installed and at boot i had rt2800 and rt2870 so i manage to blacklist rt2800 and it worked :))
12:19<babilen>cyrusnk: wonderful!
12:19<babilen>!congratulate cyrusnk
12:19<dpkg>Huzzah cyrusnk, you did it!
12:20<vorteks>babilen: nothing just returned to my root prompt after i enterd it i even cut and paste
12:20<babilen>KALRONG: Could you run "lsmod | grep -e '^snd'" please?
12:20<babilen>vorteks: Don't run it as root
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12:20<KALRONG>cyrusnk, congrats in the end was the drivers :)
12:20<vorteks>yeah
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12:20<vorteks>superuser
12:21<vorteks>i dont have a root login for sequrity reasons
12:21<cyrusnk>KALRONG, yes man! i'm no expert and it took me 3 days and thanks to the guys here, the feeling of success is sooo sweeet:)))
12:21<vorteks>what should i do now
12:21<KALRONG>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114246/
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12:22<babilen>cyrusnk: Please note that the rt2870sta module has been removed from post-squeeze kernels. I would assume that the rt2800usb module should actually work with your device if you blacklist the *sta one. Not quite sure if you need a newer version though. Just something to be aware of.
12:22<KALRONG>cyrusnk, now you know how i feel :) and thats one of the reasons why i love linux even if i dont know how to do middle of the things
12:22<babilen>cyrusnk: And the best thing is that we just pointed you in the right direction and told you what you had to do in general, but you solved it in detail :)
12:23<josephseraos>I've downloaded a Gnome3 LiveCD. Now, is there how to install it on Debian Squeeze?
12:23<vorteks>babilen: root@guardian:/home/vortek# gconftool-2 -R /system/networking/connections
12:23<vorteks>root@guardian:/home/vortek#
12:23<babilen>vorteks: Don't run it as root but as your user!
12:24<vorteks>ok\
12:24<cyrusnk>babilen, i installed rt2870sta and dmesg give me 2 entries rt2800usb and rt2870sta. i blacklisted rt2800usb! and it works, i'm full wireless now
12:24<babilen>cyrusnk: yeah, just wanted to let you know that this module will not be supported in wheezy (nothing to worry about right now, just something to be aware of)
12:25<cyrusnk>KALRONG, linux it's very mind training
12:25<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Is the hardware support being consolidated or dropped?
12:25<cyrusnk>babilen, i'll make it work in seconds :))
12:25<babilen>cyrusnk: I would think that you "just" need to blacklist one or the other for it to work and the rt2800usb one *might* work better/at all in a newer kernel version.
12:25<KALRONG>cyrusnk, or brain killer all depend in how you look at it hehe
12:26<babilen>jhutchins_lt: The manufacturer driver (staging) is dropped in favour of an open source one AFAICT
12:26<demooriaan_>babilen: if he is connected by wire, and the router uses dhcp, he could simply add this line to his /etc/network/interfaces
12:26<demooriaan_>iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:26<demooriaan_>auto
12:26<KALRONG>anybody knows if there is a global variable like ${VERSION} that shows the computer time?
12:26<cyrusnk>see ya guys
12:26<vorteks>yeah cuase that other command does not work
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12:27<jhutchins_lt>KALRONG: No, the time is read from the hardware or software clock.
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12:28<babilen>KALRONG: Take a look at "man date"
12:28<babilen>KALRONG: and run "date"
12:29<KALRONG>nevermind i wanted to use it for a silly thing and i dont really need to put it that way so forget it
12:29<KALRONG>babilen, what about the sound? should i restart?
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12:30<babilen>KALRONG: To be honest: I am not sure how/why the SIP USB phone grabs index 0 and in particular unsure why the modprobe fixes it. It seems that the modules are loaded in the wrong order and that the USB devices are allowed to grab index 0. I guess this is a bug. You might actually have to fix it by configuring alsa as explined in the FAQ26 linked from "/msg dpkg default alsa"
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12:31<vorteks>demooriaan_: :\did not work
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12:31<babilen>KALRONG: Let us do another test: Run: "modprobe -r snd_usb_hda ; modprobe -r snd_usb_audio ; modprobe snd_usb_audio ; cat /proc/asound/cards ; modprobe snd_hda_intel ; cat /proc/asound/cards"
12:31<KALRONG>babilen, thanks, i will do it another day right now my mind is almost overburn because of configuring everything again hehe, do you know any mail client compatible with exchange?
12:31<KALRONG>babilen, give me a sec
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12:32<demooriaan_>vorteks the line should be: auto iface eth0 inet dhcp
12:32<jhutchins_lt>KALRONG: Most of the mail clients can access exchange if pop or imap are enabled.
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12:32<vorteks>ohh doh
12:32<demooriaan_>and then use ifup eth0
12:33<demooriaan_>on boot time it should connect automatically
12:33<babilen>KALRONG: mail client compatible with exchange? Hmm, would be surprised if thunderbird (i.e. icedove) or evolution does not support it, but I have been in the fortunate position all my live that I could get my mail with standard IMAP/SMTP
12:33<KALRONG>jhutchins_lt, i tried using kmail over imap but it didnt connect
12:33<jhutchins_lt>KALRONG: To get one that uses the proprietary microsoft protocol that includes calendars and group folders you have to pay someone who paid Microsoft for the license.
12:34<KALRONG>i will try later one thunderbird i couldnt manage evolution to work
12:34<jhutchins_lt>KALRONG: It's up to the Exchange admin whether imap's enabled.
12:34<demooriaan_>vorteks the other wayis using nm-applet as babilen described to you
12:34<babilen>demooriaan_: that line is wrong. It should be "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
12:34<KALRONG>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114247/
12:34<babilen>KALRONG: Ah, damn ... typo
12:35<demooriaan_>2 lines... my fault
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12:35<babilen>KALRONG: "modprobe -r snd_hda_intel ; modprobe -r snd_usb_audio ; modprobe snd_usb_audio ; cat /proc/asound/cards ; modprobe snd_hda_intel ; cat /proc/asound/cards"
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12:36<babilen>demooriaan_: No, you were missing the "eth0" after "auto" as well -- no problem, just wanted to point it out.
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12:36<KALRONG>babilen, the modprobe -r snd_hda_intel will not work it will say that is in use
12:36<babilen>bummer
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12:37<vorteks>nm-applet isnt there
12:37<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, I've had enough. I am not quite sure what causes this problem and we would have to debug a lot more. You might want to consider filing a bug about this as it shouldn't happen in my opinion. I guess you can fix it by following the ALSA /etc/asound.conf guide ...
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12:38<babilen>KALRONG: It would also be interesting to know if this only happens with the SIP phone or with both USB devices (headset too)
12:38<demooriaan_>vorteks run nm-applet then you should have an icon like stairways, that is nm-applet
12:38<KALRONG>babilen, both of the usb get 0 and 1 and the intel the 2
12:39<KALRONG>babilen, i think is because of the order of how modprobe loads the modules
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12:40<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, let us try one more thing ... Could you run: grep -e "snd_hda_intel" /etc/modprobe.d/*
12:40<vorteks>ugg it wont let me run lol
12:40<babilen>KALRONG: yes, it is. It's just that the "index=-2" should prevent the USB devices from grabbing index 0
12:40<KALRONG>babilen, nothing appear
12:41<babilen>KALRONG: grep -e "snd-hda-intel" /etc/modprobe.d/*
12:41<babilen>KALRONG: "-" vs "_"
12:41<KALRONG>nothing
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12:42<vorteks>brb restarting agian
12:42<demooriaan_>ok, i'll change to gnome, bbl
12:42<babilen>KALRONG: Ok, one second.
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12:42<KALRONG>babilen, np
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12:44<babilen>KALRONG: Run: echo "options snd-hda-intel index=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/intel_fix.conf
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12:44<babilen>KALRONG: And reboot ... If that doesn't help you have to create a /etc/asound.conf
12:45<nysec>install ossv4
12:45<KALRONG>babilen, im gonna reboot and see
12:45<babilen>nysec: hehe
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12:45<vorteks>ok unerwired networks on upper right corner it says notmanaged
12:45<babilen>nysec: Not the worst idea :-)
12:46<nysec>babilen: I wish jackd would support it on GNU+Linux instead of just ALSA.
12:46<babilen>vorteks: yes, you manage it in /etc/network/interfaces and not with network-manager
12:46<vorteks>\unerwired=on wired network
12:46<babilen>nysec: I'm 100% with you
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12:46<vorteks>this is confusing
12:47<babilen>vorteks: What kind of computer is this? Do you have to connect to multiple (wireless) networks?
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12:47<vorteks>dell xps laptop
12:48<vorteks>no wireless conections
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12:48<vorteks>wireless aint even turned on in the router
12:49<jhutchins_lt>vorteks: You don't neede network manager then, you can remove it.
12:49<babilen>vorteks: why don't you just edit the connections in network-manager (right click on the "stairway" or run ALT-F2 -> nm-edit-connections) you can then remove the lines from /etc/network/interfaces and configure everything with network-manager. That might not be that confusing.
12:49<babilen>vorteks: Ah, yes. What jhutchins_lt said ... You will *never* connect to wireless networks? You will not take the computer with you and want to connect somewhere else?
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12:50<vorteks>nope
12:50<babilen>vorteks: Ok, then forget about network-manager and just configure the network as it is now. You might want to consider to even remove network-manager, but that is something I will not talk you through now.
12:50<MMX2>Hi is there a dedicated channel for installation issues?
12:51<babilen>MMX2: This one and we can escalate if necessary.
12:51<MMX2>okay grate thanks
12:51<vorteks>ok all i want to do is beable to surf the web
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12:51<babilen>vorteks: Are you not online now?
12:51<vorteks>yeah
12:51-!-KALRONG [~kalrong@249.0.27.77.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #debian
12:51<vorteks>but it wont let me www
12:52<babilen>vorteks: "yeah" as in "yeah I am not" or "yeah" as in "yeah! I am!"
12:52<vorteks>yes i am'
12:52<vorteks>yes im online
12:52<KALRONG>babilen, working :)
12:52<MrFrood>vorteks: what will it let you do?
12:52<vorteks>but i cant surf
12:52<vorteks>no www
12:53<babilen>vorteks: "ping 8.8.8.8" "cat /etc/resolv.conf" "ping google.com" "ifconfig eth0" "cat /etc/network/interfaces" → http://paste.debian.net
12:53<jhutchins_lt>vorteks: Why do you think you are on-line then?
12:53<vorteks>my webrowser dont pull up google.com
12:53<vorteks>one sec
12:54<MMX2>So I am trying to install debian using a usb stick that has grub2 on it. Using a loopback device within grub2 i cherry pick the kernel and initrd files form the iso file (located on the stick) and boot it. This works fine untill the debian installer is trying to mount the cd rom. at that point i am trying to mount the iso file but that fails. mount gets stuck and creates a buch of loop back devices over 43k.
12:54<vorteks>cant resolve hostname for that http://paste.debian.net
12:55<MMX2>any ideas?
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12:55<vorteks>perfect pings low latency
12:55<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: Why not just follow the install guide?
12:56<babilen>MMX2: There are specific images for what you are trying to do.
12:56<demooriaan>is the router correctly configured?
12:56<babilen>MMX2: Any particular reason why you don't just "cat" the iso to the USB stick?
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12:57<MMX2>jhutchins_lt, because i want to have a stick that contains multiple iso images and i want to be able to choose with grub which iso to boot. using the guide i'd waste a CD
12:57<vorteks>heres my output from resolve.conf nameserver 192.168.1.254
12:57<MMX2>babilen, should have included you in the last message
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12:58<MMX2>i don't understand why mount gets stuck in a loop and creats so much loop devices within /dev
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13:00<MMX2>the command i am using is: "mount -o loop /mnt/usb/boot/isos/install/debian/i386/debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso /cdrom"
13:00<vorteks>is there a chaneel i could paste to?
13:00<nysec>no
13:00<vorteks>channel i mean
13:00<demooriaan>http://paste.debian.net
13:00<vorteks>i can get on the web
13:01<vorteks>only irc
13:01<demooriaan>oh, correct
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13:01<cahoot>paradox?
13:01<babilen>MMX2: Ok, you don't "cherry pick" the kernel ... use http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
13:01<babilen>MMX2: (if you want amd64)
13:02<babilen>vorteks: Ok, edit /etc/resolv.conf and replace "nameserver 192.168.1.254" with "nameserver 8.8.8.8"
13:02<Guest2222>hello. i think i have found some problem with the vanilla 2.6.38.3 kernel, and the debian kernel... who can i talk to about it?
13:02<babilen>vorteks: Run the same set of commands again and paste *everyhting* (commands before change, commands after change)
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13:03<MMX2>babilen, well getting into the installer isn't an issue at all, but i guess ill give such an image a try
13:04<vorteks>babilen: wrere do i paste it?
13:04<babilen>MMX2: You also need the iso on the USB stick. I am not a d-i developer and am not entirely sure where the non hd-media installer searches for the installation medium, but you might actually need the installer from hd-media. Try it and report back.
13:04<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: No, you don't need a CD to install. You should actually look at what the guide really says.
13:04<babilen>vorteks: http://paste.debian.net -- (you *can* reach it now, can't you)
13:05<vorteks>no
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13:05<demooriaan>router blocking http ( 80 tcp) ?
13:05<babilen>vorteks: Does "ping 8.8.8.8" work?
13:06<vorteks>yes very low latency bery good
13:06<vorteks>bery/very
13:06<babilen>vorteks: "ping google.com" ?
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13:07<MMX2>babilen, you mean to cat the iso onto the stick? that's what i actually don't want to do, ill show you my grub2 config in a minute
13:07<vorteks>yeah but it tajke 1900 ms to complete
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13:07<vorteks>tajke/takes
13:07<babilen>MMX2: No, I mean to copy the *iso* file to the stick
13:07<jhutchins_lt>ipv6
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13:08<vorteks>i like to olden dats when dhcp just worked hehe
13:08<babilen>vorteks: "nslookup google.com 8.8.8.8" and "nslookup google.com 4.2.2.4" and "nslookup google.com 192.168.1.254" ?
13:08<vorteks>one sec
13:08<babilen>sure
13:09<MMX2>this is how i boot the installer, it's actually the same like if the cd would be booted normally http://pastebin.com/hhTqNM9w
13:10<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: Seriously, reading the guid won't hurt at all.
13:10<babilen>MMX2: You actually might want to take it to #debian-boot ... But I am not sure why you don't use the files from hd-media I linked earlier.
13:11<vorteks>wll instant replies port 53
13:11<vorteks>wll/all\
13:11<babilen>MMX2: And all that is described in the guide ..
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13:11<babilen>vorteks: You changed the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8 /
13:11<babilen>?
13:11<MMX2>jhutchins_lt, i know the guide and have already quite some debian systems running
13:11<vorteks>no
13:11<vorteks>should i?
13:11<MMX2>babilen, ill give them a try
13:11<jhutchins_lt>babilen: long delays for name resolution == ipv6 timeout.
13:12<babilen>vorteks: I told you that 10 minutes ago, and was now working under the assumption that you changed it. So yes, please do it
13:12<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: The guide changes. The squeeze installer is not the etch installer.
13:13<MMX2>jhutchins_lt, okay okay you got me here, ill take a look into it again
13:13<babilen>vorteks: I have to go ... catch you later :)
13:13<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: It seems to me that you would be working with the busybox stage of the installer.
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13:13<MMX2>jhutchins_lt, yeah that is correct
13:13<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: Similar to a multiple-choice PXE environment.
13:13<vorteks>k i did change before but debian erased it
13:13<vorteks>oh by
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13:14<vorteks>i should try backports but nothing works
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13:16<MMX2>jhutchins_lt, the PXE env dose not ring a bell for me :/
13:16<vorteks>im www!
13:16<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: Netboot.
13:17<vorteks>maybe it will stay this time
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13:17<jhutchins_lt>vorteks: I wouldn't bet on it. Turn off or remove network manager for one thing. Disable ipv6 as well.
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13:18<vorteks>how i do taht ?
13:18<vorteks>that\
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13:19<cahoot>!ipv6
13:19<dpkg>Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>.
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13:23<KALRONG>agh! now the vlc when i try to put the sound in 5.1 it says that the sound51 is busy :(
13:23<cahoot>KALRONG: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
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13:25<KALRONG>cahoot, what i do with that?
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13:25<cahoot>see if anything is using the sounddevice
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13:26<KALRONG>nspluginviewer that i dont knkow whats that, it appear before the vlc itslef
13:27<cahoot>flash? browser I'd guess
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13:28<KALRONG>cahoot, thanks, it was the konqueror, probably the flash player
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13:34<jhutchins_lt>How do I get rid of google gadgets?
13:34<jhutchins_lt>It's not something I meant to install.
13:34<sney>google gadgets?
13:35<sortadi>I have a dell inspiron mini 1010 netbook with HDMI interface (out) and a Beamer (video projector) with VGA input
13:35<jhutchins_lt>sney: Yes.
13:35<sortadi>is it possible to convert from HDMI to VGA with a HDMI to DVI (female adapter) and then plug it into a DVI (male) to VGA (female) and then to the beamer with a VGA cable?
13:35<babilen>jhutchins_lt: What are google gadgets?
13:36<jhutchins_lt>I have the google talk plugin, but I don't know how I got gadgets.
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13:36<jhutchins_lt>Digging now - http://code.google.com/p/google-gadgets-for-linux/wiki/FAQ
13:36<sney>I'm not sure how that's a debian issue, jhutchins_lt, unless it's attached to chromium-browser somehow.
13:36<vorteks>how can i tell debian to remove a package?
13:36<jhutchins_lt>sney: Which I don't have.
13:36<mjr>sortadi, nnno. At least not passively.
13:36<sney>vorteks: aptitude remove/aptitude purge
13:36<mjr>(which is probably what you mean)
13:36<sortadi>mjr, how's that?
13:36<vorteks>tabjs
13:36<vorteks>tanxs
13:37<babilen>vorteks: "aptitude remove PKG" (leaves configuration files in place) or "aptitude purge PKG" (removes configuration files) -- Please read the reference: /msg dpkg reference
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13:37<babilen>vorteks: figured out the network problem?
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13:38<vorteks>yep i think hehe im surfing now :)
13:38<mjr>sortadi, DVI outputs usually have VGA outputs integrated in their own pins (DVI-I). HDMI did away with those, so you can only convert HDMI to digital DVI (DVI-D). The DVI-to-VGA dongles require a DVI-A signal to be present (included in DVI-I) to work
13:38<babilen>vorteks: nameserver timeout problem? How did you fix it?
13:38<vorteks>now to get compiz working threw backports
13:39<vorteks>i dont honestly no
13:39<sortadi>mjr, I get it now
13:39<babilen>ok
13:39<sortadi>mjr, so isn't there any possible way to achieve what I want?
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13:40<mjr>sortadi, you need an active converter that decodes the DVI/HDMI signal and sends it forward as VGA. Those exists, though are a speciality product and might cost a bit.
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13:41<mjr>sortadi, eg. this seems to be something that might work (just googled it up, not an endorsement): http://www.amazon.co.uk/HDfury-1080P-HDMI-Converter-Transcoder/dp/B000SOPWS8
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13:42<sortadi>mjr, i found a HDMI (male) to DVI-I dual link (female)
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13:43<sortadi>mjr, wouldn't it be possible to do it with that one? since it's DVI-I i could, maybe, plug it to a VGA
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13:43<mjr>sortadi, _possibly_, if it's truly dvi-i output. Have a link?
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13:44<sortadi>MJD, yes, but it is from my country, venezuela
13:45<sortadi>mjr, yes, but it is from my country, venezuela
13:45<mjr>Right. Well, I'd double-check that it works with passive dvi-to-vga converters, but as said, if it's truly DVI-I, ie. outputs both digital and analog signal, then it will.
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13:47<sortadi>mjr, that adapter you just posted iss only in the uk
13:47<sortadi>is
13:48<mjr>didn't notice. As said, just googled it up as a sample.
13:48<mjr>but go for your thing, just make sure you can return it if it's not what it advertises to be
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13:49<sortadi>mjr, I'm going to ask the dealer if it's actually DVI-I
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13:53<mjr>better ask if it also outputs analog signal, 'cause I don't trust that they know what they're talking about ;) but yeah, ask, buy, if fail, return for not being as promised. I guess it'll probably work if it's so advertised, just slightly paranoid.
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13:56<chino>Unable to add the buddy xxx@hotmail.com because the username is invalid. Usernames must be valid email addresses pidgin error
13:57<sortadi>mjr, ok, I'll ask both questions, and try to find something like that you URLed me earlier in the convo. Thanks
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14:11<vorteks>i cant get compiz to run
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14:13<babilen>vorteks: Once again: What did #compiz say about your problem?
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14:14<vorteks>Initializing decoration options...done
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14:15<vorteks>it locks up at this point
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14:17<demooriaan>http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
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14:18<babilen>vorteks: I doubt that is what they said :)
14:18<vorteks>oh what they said
14:19<vorteks>i didnt mail em yet ill try this wiki one more time
14:19<sney>you don't have to mail them, they have an irc
14:20<babilen>vorteks: #compiz on irc.freenode.net
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14:21<vorteks>thanxs\
14:21<vorteks>i was tryong to remember freenode adde
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14:35<shaun_>is LDAP really a pain to setup? Whenever it is mentioned anywhere online, people cower in fear then recommend a manual solution
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14:36<sney>it can be
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14:37<shaun_>I'm just wondering if it's really going to be worth it for just two boxes.
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14:38<sney>most likely not
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14:39<sney>although, if you get a good understanding of it from the exercise, that's a marketable skill
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14:39<shaun_>true. might set it up in my own time on a few VMs just for the practice.
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14:41<shaun_>no time like the present...
14:41*shaun_ logs into a remote vm
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14:43<hemanth>which is most apt laptop for debain?
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14:44<The_|g|_botnet_of_uucIbqjoOQ>I have a problem mounting a USB drive
14:44-!-The_|g|_botnet_of_uucIbqjoOQ is now known as justin__
14:44<justin__>I go into gparted to mount it, unmount is greyed out
14:45<justin__>I try to mount it through the command line, can't find it in fstab
14:45<justin__>or mtab
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14:45<justin__>I can't access it through Nautilus
14:45<babilen>hemanth: what do you mean?
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14:45<justin__>Can anyone help?
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14:46<retrospectacus>justin__: what's dmesg say? Pastebin
14:46<justin__>..
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14:46<hemanth>babilen, as in i don't want to install an blobs for my hardware, like those ATI issues or nvida drivers so on...
14:46<retrospectacus>!pastebin
14:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
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14:47<justin__>How would I check it, again?
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14:48<retrospectacus>justin__: dmesg |less
14:48<retrospectacus>justin__: dmesg |tail
14:48<retrospectacus>justin__: dmesg >dmesg.txt && gedit dmesg.txt
14:48<justin__>http://pastebin.com/t5z2KCNV
14:49<retrospectacus>does that key work on windoze?
14:49<justin__>Yes.
14:49<babilen>hemanth: Hmm, never evaluated a laptop in terms of "no firmware needed" ... Thinkpads are, generally speaking, well supported under linux (not the absolute newest models though) and wonderful laptops.
14:50<justin__>Also,
14:50<justin__>1. Before I actually USE it, I have to mount it to cdrom, remove, then put back.
14:51<justin__>2. It was working fine yesterday. I did not install anything yesterday.
14:51<hemanth>babilen, not able to recall, which RMS uses
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14:52<hemanth>babilen, Lemote Yeelong i blv :)
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14:53<gpm>hi all. new wheezy install. when i start X (via gdm3, gdm, kdm, or startx) my usb keyboard and mouse don't work until i unplug them and plug them back in. any clues?
14:53<devil>gpm: did you get hit by the /run bug?
14:54<gpm>devil: maybe? how do i check?
14:54<devil>gpm: do you have a /run dir?
14:54<jhutchins_lt>It shouldn't apply to squeeze.
14:54<gpm>i'm wheezy
14:54<devil>i was not sure
14:54<gpm>yes i do
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14:55<gpm>have a /run dir
14:55<jhutchins_lt>gpm: Congratulations! Your test successfully found a bug!
14:55<devil>gpm: delete it
14:55<gpm>just rm -fr /run?
14:55<devil>reboot and be happy
14:55<gpm>cool. what package causes this bug?
14:56<devil>gpm: in tghe end it was a premature udev upload
14:56<gpm>ok
14:56<gpm>but just to verify, i run rm -fr /run
14:56<gpm>reboot
14:56<gpm>and i'll be fine?
14:56<gpm>hopefully?
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14:56<devil>yep
14:56<jhutchins_lt>So how was it that an active bug in sid moved to testing unfixed?
14:56<gpm>cool
14:56<gpm>thanks!
14:56<gpm>good question
14:56<devil>jhutchins_lt: thats the question
14:57<gpm>should i report something?
14:57<devil>gpm: sure you have no sid repo active?
14:57<gpm>positive
14:57<jhutchins_lt>gpm: It's pretty well known
14:57<gpm>yeah it's all wheezy
14:57<gpm>no i know i mean that it made it into wheezy
14:57<devil>i didnt know it propagated to testing, just the symthoms hinted that way
14:57<gpm>yeah
14:57<jhutchins_lt>devil: No, it's been imported to testing.
14:58<gpm>yuck
14:58<gpm>rebooting thanks all if i don't see ya.
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14:58<retrospectacus>justin__: google that error
14:59<retrospectacus>justin__: a linux fsck or windows chekdisk perhaps
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15:02<lorimar>hi 2 all, who know about websites where offer job for remote admining debian-servers? not freelance...
15:02<MMX2>babilen, I think you have been right that the hd-media images are the ones that i am looking for, still need some more time to figure out how to use them properly but ill report back
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15:03<babilen>MMX2: thanks for letting me know :)
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15:06<pascal>Should I edit /etc/resolv.conf directly or rather use /etc/network/interfaces to change dns-server? Or still another way?
15:06<MMX2>babilen, do you by any chance know what to do with the boot.img.gz file?
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15:06<MMX2>babilen, is it ment to be cat on to a device directly?
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15:07<pascal>The file /etc/resolv.conf has the comment not to change it by hand, so I'm confused a little bit
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15:08<babilen>MMX2: You don't need that as you use grub2 as bootloader ... but you want the installer from there
15:08<MMX2>babilen, yeah i know, just being curious :P
15:09<babilen>MMX2: Take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-easy
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15:09<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: Yet another item described in the install guide.
15:10<shaun_>all that effort of setting up LDAP and I get a seg fault. boo hoo. (not a Debian box)
15:10<MMX2>babilen, thanks a lot :)
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15:10<jhutchins_lt>MMX2: one of the reasons for referring people to the guide instead of answering questions directly is that it's likely it won't be the last question.
15:10<babilen>MMX2: you are welcome
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15:18<MMX2>babilen, you are the man, it is exactly what i was looking for :) the installer is even searching for the iso files on all available drives via the menu
15:18<babilen>MMX2: hehe, I told you :)
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15:40<Chickpea>helooo
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15:40<retrospectacus>hi
15:40<Chickpea>what's up?
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15:40<retrospectacus>Debian rules
15:41<Chickpea>yeah I guess :)
15:41<Chickpea>I've recently setup my own home server
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15:42<Chickpea>so it's probably all full of security holes you guys can exploit
15:42<Chickpea>also, I used ssh to check my irssi from my cell now. It's eell nice
15:42<Chickpea>well
15:43<babilen>anything we can do for you?
15:43<Chickpea>got any more wine?
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15:43<Chickpea>I'm almost out :(
15:44<Chickpea>but I'll head down to the pub soon anyways so it's ok if you don't
15:44<babilen>Chickpea: Take it to #moocows or #debian-offtopic
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15:45<Chickpea>ooh, I didn"t understand this channel was under some topic. sorry, take care and have a nice weekend :)
15:46<Chickpea>I'm just drunk and lonely, haha
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15:48<stappers>Where should I go with SMTP message "(host master.debian.org[70.103.162.29] refused to talk to me: 421 master.debian.org: Too much load; please try again later)" ?
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15:49<piero>Hi! Anyone have experience compiling sisimedia driver?
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15:51<rino755>ciao a tutti
15:51<rino755>!list
15:51<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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15:55<piero>Hi! I'm having problems to build sisimedia driver for X11. Can you help me at http://pastebin.com/DD12hQn1 ?
15:56<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg-video-sis
15:56<judd>Package xserver-xorg-video-sis on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.10.0-1; squeeze: 1:0.10.3-1; sid: 1:0.10.3-3; wheezy: 1:0.10.3-3
15:57<apofis>Alguien sabe como instalar firefox 4 en lmde
15:57<babilen>piero: Any particular reason why you try to compile 0.9.1 from mandriva?
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15:57<babilen>!lmde
15:57<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
15:57<babilen>apofis: ^^^^
15:58<babilen>piero: 0.9.1-4 is in etch -- But why don't you just use the ones in squeeze?
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15:59<piero>babilen, I did not knew that there is a debian build for sisimedia!! That's cool!
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16:00<piero>babilen, oops! I can't find it in packages.debian.org. Are you sure?
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16:01<piero>babilen, I'm not looking for xorg-sis-driver. sisimedia is a different code..
16:01<babilen>piero: the package is xserver-xorg-video-sis -- try "aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-sis"
16:02<babilen>piero: ah, ok. I wasn't aware of that. Lets look for that.
16:02<piero>looks like xserver-xorg-video-sis doesn't work for sis671
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16:02<babilen>piero: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and paste the output in here?
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16:03<piero>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1039:6351] (rev 10)
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16:05<michaeljgd>hi
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16:09<michaeljgd>I have a problem when inserting an empty cd-rom and using HAL to check if the drive contains such an empty disc. In about 3% it happened that the system reboots. I use HAL to check for empty disc. As I can not assure that the user does not retrigger HAL to check for empty disc I tested this too but could not reproduce the problem. But I found that the drive could often not anymore found if I retrigger HAL-reprobe while the drives light is
16:09<michaeljgd>blinking.
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16:11<babilen>piero: true, that card seems to be horrendously supported.
16:11<piero>yeah
16:12<michaeljgd>I could paste code to pastebin if somebody would like to see it.
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16:19<babilen>piero: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741 -- I am really not sure if the mandriva version is able to compile. I found another one, but it does not compile either. :-\
16:19<piero>thanks babilen
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16:21<yoshio_>,pciid 1039:6351
16:21<judd>[1039:6351] is '771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter' from 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1039:6351
16:22<lapfrog>rly?
16:23<lapfrog>,pciid 8086:27a2
16:23<judd>[8086:27a2] is 'Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27a2
16:23<lapfrog>:>
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16:29<babilen>piero: I'll stop searching now. Seems to be quite a big problem. You might want to get another graphics card and read the bug report. (Some ideas in there)
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16:29<piero>babilen, yeah.. thank you man! But I can't buy a different video card because my computer is a laptop
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16:46<jhutchins_lt>Note that judd's pciid replies return kernel modules - NOT xorg drivers. The SiS shouldn't need a kernel module.
16:46<jhutchins_lt>I've found it more productive to search <chipset name> site:x.org or <chipset name> debian
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17:00<Paulo>Hey
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17:02<Vlam>My debian machine is having problems with my monitor
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17:03<Vlam>I plug in my monitor and I get past the BIOS then it says Welcome to GRUB then the monitor goes black
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17:03<Vlam>And in power save and just sits there
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17:04<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: Try adding vga=normal to the kernel options.
17:05<Vlam>right
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17:10<Vlam>No avail jhutchins_lt
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17:11<Vlam>Where do I add that line in grub.cfg?
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17:11<babilen>Vlam: grub2? → /etc/default/grub
17:11<sney>Vlam: it's in /etc/default/grub
17:11<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: You can do a temporary change at boot by pressing e on the default boot line.
17:11<sney>under commandline_linux or something like that
17:12<devil>Vlam: do not edit grub.cfg itself
17:12<jhutchins_lt>Permanent change depends on which grub|release
17:12<Vlam>If I time it right I can quickly pull the cord out after the grub screen and plug it back in as its loading the daemons
17:12<Vlam>Then I get an image
17:12<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: You might try removing the 'quiet' option.
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17:15<Vlam>vga=normal does not work
17:16<sney>Vlam: what if you remove "quiet"
17:16<Vlam>I'm not sure how I can do that without an image
17:17<Nemoder_>Vlam: might try nomodeset
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17:19<Vlam>didnt work either
17:20<Vlam>I would just reinstallt he OS but I can't because it can't boot from anything but the hard drive
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17:21<thomas>Hello, everyone. :)
17:21<babilen>thomas: welcome
17:22<thomas>I installed CrunchBang yesterday -- I am chuffed to bits ...
17:22<thomas>But I do have a question ...
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17:22<sney>!crunchbang
17:22<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
17:22<thomas>Is it possible for me to use a keyboard layout for my account alone?
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17:22<thomas>When I type dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout, it says I must run as root.
17:22<sney>thomas: you are in the wrong channel, please see what dpkg said.
17:23<thomas>Ah, there is a channel for dpkg?
17:23<thomas>I'll check that out, thanks. :)
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17:23<devil>thomas: heh, the name of the bot here is dpkg
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17:23<devil>and he told you, that this is debian, not chrunchbang
17:23<sney>he's gone
17:24<devil>ups, looking for #dpkg
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17:33<pascal_>Where di you guys change your dns-server? In /etc/resolv.conf or rather in /etc/network/interfaces?
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17:33<pascal_>It says not to edit /etc/resolv.conf, so I'm confused
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17:35<nysec>pascal_: yeah uh
17:35<nysec>!resolve.conf
17:35<nysec>-_-
17:35<nysec>pascal_: pm dpkg
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17:35<nysec>about resolv.conf
17:36<nysec>pascal_: dhcp wants to mess with it, so ask about that too
17:36<KALRONG>see you tomorrow people
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17:37<pascal_>nysec: thanks, so man dhcp?? + Google? I guess
17:37<nysec>pascal_: No, dpkg has information
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17:37<nysec>!resolv.conf
17:37<dpkg>methinks resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
17:38<costas>pascal use /msg dpkg (command or word)...
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17:38<costas>!beer dpkg
17:38*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Jever for dpkg
17:39<nysec>!koolaid dpkg
17:39<pascal_>I'm not an irc expert, as you see
17:39<nysec>pascal_: bots are something that came after irc
17:39<costas>you don't need to pascal_ ...
17:39<nysec>they are inhuman and shouldn't be
17:39<costas>that's why I give them beer all the time...
17:39<nysec>services enforce yokes on users
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17:40<nysec>wheel group wget@gnu.org original sin printer driver
17:40*nysec spasms
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17:40<asddssdsd>hi
17:40<nysec>hiiiiiii
17:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 472] by debhelper
17:41<nysec>asddssdsd: do you have any music
17:41<costas>good night fellow debianheads, for free mp3s of my music check www.costasg.co.nr
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17:43<asddssdsd>nysec: you can test www.snowlinux.de
17:44<nysec>first one needed javascript, this needs some redirecting frames :\
17:44<devil>snowlinux is a hype
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17:44<nysec>devil: what *is* it?
17:44<devil>it does not exist
17:45<sney>do any of you people have debian question
17:45<nysec>but what is it intended to be
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17:45<devil>nysec: advertisment for the forum
17:45<sney>please take non-debian discussions and advertisements etc to #debian-offtopic or #moocows, this is a support channel
17:46<nysec>shit the fuzz
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17:46<sney>no fuzz here. just a helpful suggestion. the actual fuzz tends to use banhammers rather than words
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17:51<aussa>where is GRUB located?
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17:53<arand>aussa: depends which part of grub you refere to, /boot/grub e.g.
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17:59<aussa>the thing is I have an error, when I start my laptop, I get "error: no such partition. Entering rescue mode..." did my hdd format or is it empty or what is happening?
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18:00<devil>aussa: and this happens after what?
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18:04<aussa>mmm.... after trying to restore windows :S hahaha
18:05<devil>aussa: you know that windows kills any other bootloader?
18:05<devil>aussa: so, it sounds like you need to reinstall grub
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18:06<nysec>cd /boot/grub/ ; ls
18:06<nysec>holy crap
18:06<nysec>why is my bootloader so crazy
18:07<mercutio22>Hi I am trying to get iceweasel4.0 as per http://mozilla.debian.net/. I followed the instructions yet it doesn't seem available
18:07<devil>mercutio22: its in debian experimental now
18:07<sney>mercutio22: what does apt-cache policy iceweasel show you?
18:07<aussa>ok, I didn't know that, but is my data still there?
18:07<nysec>what is system map, what is vmlinuz, what is this config-
18:07<devil>aussa: sure
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18:08<sney>devil: the dependencies from moz.deb.net are safer than the ones from experimental, naturally
18:08<aussa>ok, any link about reinstalling grub?
18:08<devil>sney: yeah, but is it still there?
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18:09<devil>aussa: you need a live cd and chroot into the system
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18:10<sney>devil: http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/iceweasel-4.0/ sure looks like it
18:10<devil>oh, backports, didnt know that one
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18:11<mercutio22>sney: http://pastebin.com/GRYvAECf
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18:11<sney>mercutio22: ok, that looks fine, what happens when you aptitude -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel?
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18:13<mercutio22>sney: http://pastebin.com/Jde8KZXC nothing at all
18:14<egypt>any one speak arabic?
18:15<babilen>egypt: Sorry, arabic support is a bit lacking for Debian.
18:15<babilen>!arabic
18:15<dpkg>arabic is, like, Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community)
18:15<sney>mercutio22: hmm, well maybe download the .deb itself from the link I showed devil, install it with dpkg -i then do aptitude -f install to clean up the dependencies
18:15<aussa>should I download the debian live rescue?
18:15<egypt>babilen , Thank you
18:16<aussa>or any of those
18:16<babilen>egypt: There is nobody in that channel though
18:16<egypt>ok
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18:17<egypt>I w'll use google translat
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18:17<babilen>egypt: feel free to use english in here if you have a question, and we try our best to understand you
18:17<mercutio22>sney: yeah.. I guess I will have to try that. Thanks
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18:18<egypt><babilen> ths
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18:19<babilen>mercutio22: paste your sources.list and "apt-cache policy" output .. you have a testing repo at priorityy 700 that overrides the squeeze-backports one .. What is that? Which version of Debian do you actually use?
18:19<egypt>How to install the Arabic language for the interface GNOME ?
18:20<babilen>mercutio22: You've done any pinning? If so paste preferences as well.
18:20<aussa>devil: should I download the debian live rescue? or could be any of those?
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18:21<devil>aussa: i would use knoppix or aptosid live cd
18:22<mercutio22>babilen: yeah I did apt-pinning. Wilco
18:22<egypt>you understand me ??
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18:22<egypt>How to install the Arabic language for the interface GNOME ?
18:23<egypt>Then I can not find the program center
18:24<egypt>Ineed install it
18:24<egypt>?
18:24<babilen>egypt: Yes, I understand. Make sure you generate arabic locales (dpkg-reconfigure locales). Install "task-arabic" and "task-desktop-arabic" -- I hope that you are then able to select the language during login. Select your username and then the session and language in gdm3
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18:25<babilen>egypt: I am not entirely sure if that gives you a fully localised arabic gnome environment though.
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18:25<mercutio22>babilen: http://pastebin.com/pGCLd99h
18:25<babilen>mercutio22: work on your pinning
18:26<babilen>mercutio22: wtf is that? Which version are you trying to run?
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18:27<aussa>downloading knoppix, any problem been cd?
18:27<babilen>mercutio22: A little suggestion: Remove stable (you don't need that anyway) and all pinning. Set the default release to "wheezy" -- /msg dpkg default release -- and then install iceweasel 4 with "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel" -- alternatively integrate squeeze-backports in your pinning scheme.
18:27<egypt>babilen Make sure you generate arabic locales (dpkg-reconfigure locales). Install "task-arabic" and "task-desktop-arabic"? how ?how
18:27<egypt>step by step
18:27<mercutio22>babilen: testing. Whats wrong?
18:28<mercutio22>ok, got your msg now
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18:29<babilen>egypt: Run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and make sure you select the correct ar_??.UTF-8 locale. Afterwards run "aptitude install task-arabic task-desktop-arabic" log out, confirm your name and select the language.
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18:30<egypt>babilen , ok
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18:33<arand>babilen: I don't think there are any task packages by that name..
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18:38<babilen>arand: correct, damn (experimental)
18:39<babilen>arand: Hope he comes back, I can give him the actual package list :-\
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18:39<arand>babilen: (s)he is in fact ^
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18:42<babilen>egypt: Ah, wonderful. You are back. The two packages I mentioned do not exist in squeeze. The locale you want is most likely ar_EG.UTF-8 UTF-8 and the packages from those tasks are: xfonts-intl-arabic aspell-ar aspell-ar-large ttf-kacst ttf-farsiweb openoffice.org-l10n-ar iceweasel-l10n-ar hunspell-ar
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18:43<babilen>egypt: so, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" → select ar_EG.UTF-8 UTF-8 → OK
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18:43<babilen>egypt: "aptitude install xfonts-intl-arabic aspell-ar aspell-ar-large ttf-kacst ttf-farsiweb openoffice.org-l10n-ar iceweasel-l10n-ar hunspell-ar" should get you started
18:44<egypt>babilen : ok
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18:45<babilen>egypt: http://projects.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-ar/ (not sure how up-to-date this is)
18:46<babilen>egypt: That how-to is outdated (they discuss manually compiling vim 6.1 for example)
18:47<babilen>egypt: There might be better ones online, but I can't search in Arabic.
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18:47<egypt>babilen : ok
18:47<egypt>i try
18:47<babilen>good luck :)
18:48<egypt>log out now
18:48<egypt>:)
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18:50<egypt>Do I need to reboot ??
18:50<babilen>egypt: Some channels: (all on irc.freenode.net): #linuxac (general arabic) #eglug (egypt) #leglug #linuxlb (lebanon)
18:51<babilen>egypt: No, that should not be necessary. Did you select Arabic as language?
18:51<egypt>yes
18:51<egypt>put faild
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18:53<egypt>babilen : Well I will go back after a few
18:53<egypt>I thank you very
18:53<egypt>Grateful for that
18:53<babilen>sure, no problem. I have never tried that before though.
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18:54<babilen>Hmm, lets try this.
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18:59<babilen>ok, Arabic certainly looks cool :)
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19:14<b_52light>hi
19:14<b_52light>plz anyone can help me with little oracle install on debian
19:14<b_52light>debian 6
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19:18<babilen>b_52light: does orable support debian now?
19:18<babilen>oracle even
19:18<b_52light>babilen, nop :d
19:18<b_52light>but it can be done
19:18<b_52light>:d
19:18<dvs>(depl)otable?
19:19<b_52light>i;m trying to install it with GUI
19:19<b_52light>that the little issue
19:19<b_52light>with X forwarding
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19:20<babilen>b_52light: #oracle on irc.freenode.net might know more about it than #debian ... do you have a debian specific issue?
19:21<Kennix>Oracle, almost the same as using MicroSucks
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19:22<monsterb>!Xfce
19:22<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
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19:23<egypt>babilen : I do not know how to thank you
19:23<egypt>You have successfully installed the Arabic language for the interface
19:23<egypt>I'm glad
19:23<egypt>Thank you
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19:24<babilen>egypt: Hooray! \o/
19:24<egypt>:)
19:24<babilen>egypt: I hope you enjoy your Debian system in Arabic now :)
19:24<babilen>egypt: I tried it too, just to make sure it works.
19:25<egypt>yes
19:25<egypt>Thank you
19:25<egypt>He needed only to Restart after you install the language
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19:26<babilen>egypt: Was not necessary for me. Anyway, happy that it worked.
19:26<b_52light>babilen, well yes when i launch the command to install without GUI i receive a error related to X11forwarding of ssh http://pastie.org/1802063
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19:26<b_52light>X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
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19:27<egypt>babilen : Is it possible to another question ?
19:27<Guest2254>logout
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19:27<babilen>egypt: sure
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19:28<egypt>I can not open a text file
19:28<egypt>And leave me a message line
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19:28<ny>hi, my webcam is upside down (actually i use ubuntu not debian, but ubuntu is debian based and no one was able to help me at their irc)
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19:28<ny>any tipp?
19:29<egypt>new file don't open
19:29<babilen>ny: Unfortunately Ubuntu is not supported in here.
19:29<babilen>egypt: How do you try to open it?
19:29<ny>maybe the config procedure is the same..
19:29<babilen>ny: Ubuntu is not supported in here.
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19:30<egypt>babilen : I want to record these observations in a text file
19:30<ny>no universal cli commands? ok then..
19:30<babilen>ny: I will happily assist you if you install Debian though.
19:30<ny>¬¬ you gotta be kidding, i'm not going to change the entire distro, to fix an "paper cut"
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19:31<ny>if a program is avaliable on debian repo, who can do the job, tell me it should be avaliable on ubuntu too
19:31<babilen>egypt: yes, how do you try to edit the file?
19:31<ny>any program to change video settings at capture level..
19:32<ny>never mind..
19:32<babilen>ny: please
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19:33<egypt>babilen : Right click on the desktop, a new file
19:33<babilen>ok
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19:34<egypt>this a new file dont open
19:34<egypt>don't*
19:34<babilen>egypt: could you try ALT-F2 → gedit please?
19:34<babilen>egypt: (it is in the menu somewhere too)
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19:36<egypt>Says select an application to open
19:36<babilen>egypt: select gedit (if installed)
19:37<babilen>egypt: Or "Text Editor" (don't know what this is in Arabic)
19:37<egypt>not installed yet
19:37<babilen>egypt: "aptitude install gedit"
19:37<egypt>ok
19:38<egypt>nice :)
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19:40<egypt>ok
19:40<egypt>Another success
19:40<babilen>:-D
19:40<egypt>\0/
19:41<egypt>babilen : Now the sound does not function
19:41<egypt>?
19:41<babilen>egypt: you could install "gnome-core" that will install a number of gnome applications you might want.
19:42<egypt>yes
19:42<egypt>good
19:42<babilen>egypt: ok, put the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i audio" and "cat /proc/asound/cards" on http://paste.debian.net
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19:43<egypt>aptitude install gnome-core ??
19:43<babilen>yes
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19:44<egypt>ok
19:44<babilen>(if you want those applications) -- it was just a suggestion
19:44<egypt>ok thank you
19:45<babilen>egypt: the above commands check your sound
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19:46<egypt>aha : ok
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19:47<babilen>egypt: you can put the output on the http://paste.debian.net website
19:47<egypt>http://paste.debian.net/114275/
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19:48<egypt>i did
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19:49<ny>ok
19:49<ny>that change your distro was a joke?
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19:51<MrFrood>ny: what is this channel called?
19:51<Vlam>I am having a problem with my Debian server that I just installed. The computer boots up, loads GRUB, starts Debian with a screen that has something about udev then it seems like everything loaded fine and my monitor goes into sleep mode. I am using the DVI port on the back of my machine but I cannot figure out why it goes into sleep mode right at that spot.
19:52<Vlam>I have tried vga=normal on the GRUB command line
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19:52<ny>i just guess could be an universal solution at once, some thing related to video4linux being used in more than one distro, and ubuntu be debian based..
19:52<babilen>ny: it was not. It was a serious suggestion and is a prerequisite for getting support in #debian
19:52<ny>maybe a solution for debian works too.
19:52<babilen>!tell ny -about based on debian
19:52<babilen>!tell ny -about ubuntu
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19:53<babilen>egypt: one second
19:53<Vlam>Any ideas?
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19:53<MrFrood>Vlam: are you booting to a gui or cli?
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19:53<Vlam>cli
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19:54<egypt>babilen : ok
19:54<ny>ok, then, tell me an debian solution, and i will try and if dont work, will just leave =P (since its suposed to not work)
19:54<MrFrood>Vlam: how far exactly to you get before it goes blank?
19:55<Vlam>Right before it loads the daemons and tells me to login
19:55<babilen>egypt: "aptitude install alsa-utils" and then run "alsamixer" and unmute channels with "m" and raise their volume (up/down arrow key) ... might just work.
19:55<ny>or just kick me =0
19:55<ny>=)
19:56<egypt>babilen : ok
19:56<MrFrood>Vlam: does it switch to the framebuffer mode before it blanks?
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19:56<Vlam>Describe the framebuffer mode
19:56<MrFrood>Vlam: screen res changes
19:57<Vlam>No there is no screen resolution change
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19:58<MrFrood>OK, here is my best guess...
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19:59<MrFrood>The kernel uses "kernel mode setting" (kms) to set the framebuffer - I'm guessing that for some reasion it is setting the resolution to high
20:00<Vlam>The monitor resolution is 1440x900
20:00<Vlam>What should I do to fix it then?
20:00<MrFrood>I can't tell you how to disable kms but I think google probably could
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20:02<egypt>babilen : From success to success
20:02<babilen>egypt: hehe :)
20:02<MrFrood>If it is any help - kms has to be disabled to install the propiertry NVIDIA drivers so a tutorial on installing those would be agood bet
20:03<egypt>babilen : :)
20:03<egypt>babilen : I am unable to thank
20:03<Vlam>Would nomodeset work on the GRUB command line to disable KMS?
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20:03<babilen>egypt: Your happiness is thanks enough.
20:04<MrFrood>Vlam: I don't think so
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20:05<MrFrood>Vlam: I'm not that familiar with grub2/pc yet so...
20:05<egypt>babilen : Now I can not find another question :)
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20:08<Vlam>I can't find a tutorial to do it
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20:09<babilen>egypt: Wonderful :-D
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20:11<MrFrood>Vlam: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS
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20:12<egypt>babilen : I remembered a simple problem
20:12<MrFrood>Vlam: I may be wrong but my hypothasis seems to fit your symptoms
20:13<egypt>babilen : Num Lock always locked
20:13<egypt>I want to be always working
20:13<egypt>Especially when access to the Debian
20:13<MrFrood>egypt: cli or gui
20:14<egypt>gui
20:15<egypt>in gnome
20:15<MrFrood>egypt: try the numlockx package
20:16<egypt>numlockx : in synaptic
20:16<MrFrood>yes
20:16<egypt>MrFrood : ok
20:17<Vlam>I fixed it by using nomodeset and nouveau.modeset=0 just to make sure
20:17<MrFrood>Vlam: does it boot
20:17<Vlam>When it starts up it tries to register pcspkr but it says its already register then it says aborting, how do I make it stop trying to register it? And yes it does boot fine
20:18<MrFrood>Vlam: no idea on that one
20:18<Vlam>I don't think i have to worry about it anyway
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20:25<egypt>MrFrood : Done so
20:25<egypt>But unfortunately
20:25<egypt>Did not succeed NumLockx
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20:26<MrFrood>egypt: if I remember right you need to put it in your start up programs - I would suggest checking the man page on its use
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20:30<egypt>MrFrood : I want to be the Num Lock button is always open
20:30<egypt>Without closes at startup
20:31<egypt>Note: I use Google Translation
20:32<MrFrood>egypt: you want the num-lock enabled when you log-in ... yes?
20:32<MrFrood>egypt: babilen already told me
20:32<babilen>o/
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20:33<egypt>babilen :)
20:34<egypt>egypt: you want the num-lock enabled when you log-in ... yes?
20:34<egypt>yes
20:34<egypt>\0/
20:34<egypt>yes
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20:36<MrFrood>egypt: that is what numlockx does - there was a bug though that meant the light did not come on even though numlock is enabled and I am not sure if the bug is fixed in squeeze
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20:37<Stemby>hi, I've just installed mutter; with "$ mutter --replace" I get:
20:37<Stemby>(mutter:6886): Clutter-CRITICAL **: Unable to initialize Clutter: Unable to select the newly created GLX context
20:37<Stemby>Errore del window manager: Unable to initialize Clutter.
20:37<Stemby>Is this a bug?
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20:38<egypt>Is there a solution other than numlockx ?
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20:40<MrFrood>egypt: there might be an option in gdm (the log-in manager) but as don't use gdm I cannot help you with it
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20:42<egypt>MrFrood : Yes I understood that you
20:42<egypt>Do not you
20:42<egypt>Thank you very much
20:43<MrFrood>egypt: good luck with debian
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20:44<egypt>MrFrood : I liked Debian
20:44<egypt>And I liked this channel also
20:44<egypt>Thank you all
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20:45<MrFrood>:)
20:45<egypt>:)
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20:47<egypt>I'll leave you now to the meeting
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20:59<Stemby>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623063
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21:41<rickbol>?
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21:50<babilen>¡
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22:02<quietone>thanks for being here for me! (I was just about to send my question when the solution came)
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22:04<zahid>dolphin problem when mounting any drive in user mode. shows: "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount device /dev/sdaX for uid = 1000 debian
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22:04<zahid>but in kdesu dolphin it can mount
22:05<zahid>many user has identifed this problem as a bug in kde 4.4.5
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22:09<Newbumz>Hello all
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22:10<Newbumz>So I have read through sftp and ssh forums and at loss. Is there a way to transfer files in *nix across a netowrk that does not make me want to configure a router and go back to windows?
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22:11<Newbumz>I mean seriously is giver and samba the only option?
22:12<Newbumz>Work groups for windows security is a joke.. What is the linux solution please tell me... Really do I have too keep sneaker netting everything?
22:12<zahid>which distro you use?
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22:13<babilen>zahid: which filesystem on the drive?
22:14<Newbumz>Desktop machine is lenny, but I want my mediabox on squeeze (don't hack me. <frown face>)
22:14<Newbumz>EXT3
22:14<amphi>scp?
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22:15<babilen>zahid: mount it as root, and chown youruser:youruser /media/the_drive , unmount and try again (if filesystem != ntfs/fat*)
22:15<canaima>hola
22:15<babilen>zahid: ah, chmod it too ..
22:15<canaima>hola
22:15<zahid>ext3 and ntfs
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22:16<Newbumz>Maybe I am doing it wrong but scp fails for me for everything. I follow the how-to guides but it just does not seem to work. There is no secret equivalent version of windows workgroup over windows eh?
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22:17<Newbumz>Sorry drunk ignore the last windows.
22:17<Newbumz>windows = linux
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22:18<ionut>hello
22:18<zahid>Newbumz: this may be helpful: http://wiki.debian.org/Network#NFS
22:18<zahid>you may also try it via samba
22:19<zahid>if u need a gui solution then install webmin and try with this in browser
22:19<zahid>it is very easy
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22:19<Newbumz>Ok new question lets say that I work for a very big company how one might go about letting users use a shared drive(s) across a network similar to samba?
22:20<ionut>last update of experimental gives me the "cannot reserve mmio" and it will not boot, even after I get passed the message.... how can I save my system??
22:21<egypt>I want to install grub on deve/sda12 ??
22:21<zahid>Newbumz: if it is the server then it is risky but for general users it is useful
22:21<egypt>dev/sda12*
22:21<zahid>they want to share files, printers etc
22:22<egypt> I want to install grub on dev/sda 12 ??
22:24<Newbumz>So lets say you have a desktop. laptop. network storage device and another desktop. How would you guru's make it so you can just watch something on the media device without scp
22:24<Newbumz>every time?
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22:27<egypt>babilen , hi
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22:28<egypt>babilen , I want to install grub on dev/sda 12 ??
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22:30<zahid>nfs would be better for your purpose. you can mount those shared drive in /etc/fstab file automatically
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22:31<Newbumz>So if I was to start a company and wanted to have users at individual terminals share documents they could not have some form of shared drive?
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22:33<egypt>I want to install grub on dev/sda 12 ??
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22:35<meebey>Newbumz: you want NFS, that is what SMB/CIFS does on the windows world
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22:37<Walex>Newbumz: you could use a network file system, there are several.
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22:39<rpkhalid>hey guys
22:39<rpkhalid>is here some facking hair Me
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23:03<egypt>How to install grub on dev/sda 12 ??
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23:08<Newbumz>Thanks guys
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23:19<babilen>egypt: grub-install /dev/sda (for example)
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23:29<egypt>babilen , http://paste.debian.net/114281/
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23:29<lfaraone>If I *really really* want to rsync two remote destinations, is there a way other than rsyncing to a local copy then rsyncing from it? (aka I want to rsync $PROD to $STAGING, but ideally neither computer should access the other directly)
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23:35<babilen>egypt: you typically install grub to the device itself (i.e. /dev/sda) and not to a partition like /dev/sda12
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23:35<Walex>lfaraone: really really really silly question.
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23:37<lfaraone>Walex: well, at present doing "rsync foo:bar baz:bar" errors out with "The source and destination cannot both be remote."
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23:43<egypt>babilen : Thank you very much
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23:44<egypt>babilen : Sorry for the inconvenience
23:44<egypt>babilen : See you later
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23:47<PiaH>someone can help me ?
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23:49<PiaH>anybody can help me, i have microphone problems..
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23:56<Gerowen>How's everyone doing?
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