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---Logopened Mon Apr 18 00:00:13 2011
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00:00<tidux>and if you opened your eyes and looked up a few lines I already explained why I used /dev/cdrom0 and what happened when I switched to /dev/dvd
00:01<vook>!etiquette
00:01<dpkg>rumour has it, etiquette is something on a bottle
00:01<MrFrood>and if if libdvdread cannot find/read /dev/cdrom0 that would indicae the direction of the solution
00:02<tidux>MrFrood: please, please stop typing until you read what I've already said about it
00:02<MrFrood>tidux: I've read - just not sur if we are reading the same things
00:04<tidux>23:54 < tidux> cdrom0 is the only actual device file
00:04<tidux>all the other stuff for optical drives (/dev/cdrw, /dev/dvd, etc.) is just a symlink to /dev/cdrom0
00:04<tidux>so it shouldn't matter
00:04<MrFrood>I read that - but libdvdread cannot find/read it
00:06<MrFrood>which would indicat that is where the problem lies - perhaps it is mounting with thee wrong file type or something (only a guess)
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00:08<likq>.mode Emerging +x
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00:12<locsmif>So, when doing host based authentication for ssh, the server needs my pub rsa key and I need the server's pub rsa key, right?
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00:16<MrFrood>locsmif: to the best of my knowlage - yes
00:16<th_>i think the ssh server host key is needed to safely establish an ssh connection
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00:17<th_>otherwise, you can't be sure whether you really connect to the server you want or not
00:18<MrFrood>th_: I think he is wanting a passwordless log-in so the server will also need his key
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00:22<locsmif>Server's got my key
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00:22<locsmif>But I don't have the server's public key
00:22<locsmif>What do I tell the admin, where is that key?
00:22<locsmif>In /etc/ssh/ I suppose?
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00:23<locsmif>I guess so... It's not that hard.. but then I have to put that into my known_hosts
00:23<th_>yes and the name contains the word host rsa, ending with pub i think
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00:24<th_>i don't have ssh server installed here, i don't remember the exact name
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00:28<locsmif>On the other hand, a man in the middle attack is still possible if both public keys are simply exchanged by e-mail, innit
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00:30<biduzido>hey guys, my pop-menu icons disappeared!
00:30<biduzido>when I click in System, there are no icons at 'preferences' or 'administration'
00:30<biduzido>even though there are icons set to them at alacarte
00:30<locsmif>ssh is like a box of chocolates
00:30<biduzido>also there are no icons before 'copy' 'paste' and so on
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00:31<vorteks>hello, when I boot to debian my systen wont connect to the internet
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00:33<vorteks>I have no idea why it wont connect
00:33<vorteks>works fine in windows :(
00:34<locsmif>Does ifconfig -a (as root) show your NIC?
00:34<locsmif>Got WIFI? Wired?
00:34<vorteks>wired
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00:35<vorteks>wnat me to reboot and check?
00:35<vorteks>wnat/want
00:35<locsmif>Hmmm
00:35<locsmif>That might be tiresome, for you to reboot again and again
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00:35<vorteks>true
00:36<locsmif>Did Debian give you any error msgs?
00:37<vorteks>something about line 17 in some kinda network file durring boot
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00:37<locsmif>okay
00:38<locsmif>How many network cards are in that box?
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00:38<vorteks>one for wired and one for wireless
00:39<locsmif>Debian might have talking about something in /etc/network/
00:39<vorteks>yea
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00:41<locsmif>You've got the Debian DVD handy?
00:42<Lantizia>is it me or did the debian dns servers go a bit wonky for a moment there?
00:42<th_>if you use ext2/3/4 partitions for /, this http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/ may be able to save some of your time
00:42<vorteks>k
00:43<vorteks>oh i did net install
00:43<th_>so you can access /etc/network/interfaces and put it on pastebin for us to check
00:43<locsmif>Yeah, in the mean time, I'd also reboot and write down the exact error
00:43<th_>right... the exact error msg is important too
00:44<locsmif>th_: some pre or post-config script might be borken, what do you think?
00:44<locsmif>I don't think /etc/network/interfaces will have a line 17, tho you never know of course
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00:45<th_>hehe, nevermind about the ext2read, you'll need to reboot anyway
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00:45<vorteks>ok rebooting
00:45<vorteks>ok?
00:45<locsmif>Yeah
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00:45<th_>yes, please note the exact error msg
00:45<locsmif>Pen and paper!
00:46<locsmif>Plus you'll need a beautiful model to rub your back, although some might claim this is optional
00:47<locsmif>But they are LIARS
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00:47<th_>locsmif, scripts in /etc/network/ are beyond me :). never tried to edit or even add a new script in those directories
00:48<locsmif>I did, but I forgot why
00:48<locsmif>It's a pretty neat system
00:49<vook>locsmif: do you use a static or dynamic ip address ?
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00:49<locsmif>vook: my ADSL modem gets a fixed IP via DHCP
00:50<locsmif>It provides DHCP for my LAN
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00:50<locsmif>THose are not fixed, but I guess they end up like that
00:50<vook>sticky
00:50<locsmif>I might have locked in MAC addies, but I forgot
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00:52<locsmif>I guess my LAN ips have remained fixed through sheer luck
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00:53<vorteks>ok i put a
00:53<locsmif>vook: I resent my current network layout, but it is a product of happenstance
00:53<vook>locsmif: I'm looking over everything above trying to figure out what the issue is
00:53<vorteks># infornt of nerwork manaager in interfaces... now im in debian
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00:53<vorteks>but i cant surk
00:53<vorteks>err surf
00:54<locsmif>vook: we're trying to assist vorteks in getting Debian to connect to the internet again
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00:54<vorteks>it connects to irc now im on debian now
00:54<locsmif>vorteks: What do you mean? Did you comment something out?
00:54<vorteks>yes
00:55<vorteks>network manager
00:55<locsmif>What's that?
00:55<vorteks>that was line 17 error
00:55<vorteks>i dont no
00:55<locsmif>Hmm, I've never heard of network manager
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00:56<vorteks>but now i can \view any webpages only irc
00:56<vorteks>i can only irc
00:56<locsmif>Oh, you can irc?
00:56<locsmif>So you're online from Debian?
00:56<locsmif>Cool.
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00:56<vorteks>yes im on kvirc in debian right now
00:56<vorteks>but no www
00:57<vook>http://paste.debian.net/114354/
00:57<vook>that's my /etc/network/interfaces file
00:57<locsmif>I see network manager is a package
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00:57<locsmif>Hmmm, that dns bit looks a bit borked, heh
00:57<vook>heh
00:57<vorteks>vook: i cant get to www
00:58<locsmif>vorteks: comment out the dns lines
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00:58<locsmif>then /etc/init.d/networking restart
00:58<vook>can you ping something ?
00:58<locsmif>as root
00:58<vorteks>were shall i do that
00:58<vook>does /etc/resolv.conf look valid ?
00:58<locsmif>vook, it might be overridden, who knows
00:59<locsmif>I'm not sure what the effects of those two last lines are
00:59<vook>the last two are unnecessary on my system
00:59<vook>I edited them prior to posting
00:59<locsmif>If he does a host www.debian.org , that should tell us something
01:00<locsmif>err
01:00<locsmif>dig www.debian.org
01:01<vorteks>resolv.conf has nameserver 192.168.1.254
01:01<vook>that doesn't look good
01:01<locsmif>vorteks, what does the output of the command "dig www.debian.org" tell you?
01:02<vorteks>ok here i paste \
01:02<locsmif>Try a pastebin
01:02<vorteks>; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> www.debian.org
01:02<vorteks>;; global options: +cmd
01:02<vorteks>;; Got answer:
01:02<vorteks>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60255
01:02<vorteks>;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
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01:02<vook>you can try this 'echo nameserver 4.2.2.3 > /etc/resolv.conf' (root server though - just for testing)
01:02<locsmif>I tried to warn
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01:02<vorteks>sorry
01:02<locsmif>vorteks: please use paste.debian,net
01:02<vook>you can try this 'echo nameserver 4.2.2.3 > /etc/resolv.conf' (root server though - just for testing)
01:02<locsmif>paste.debian.net
01:02<locsmif>vook: no please
01:02<locsmif>heh
01:03<locsmif>well whatever
01:03<locsmif>Let it all hang out, lol
01:03<vorteks>i cant go to past.debian.net
01:03<locsmif>vorteks: then query me and paste it there
01:03<vorteks>i cant surf
01:03<vorteks>k
01:03<vook>i know - one should ideally find their providers dns server
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01:04<locsmif>vorteks' DNS seems to work
01:05<th_>do you connect to irc by specifying the ip address of the irc server?
01:05<locsmif>From what I See in his query paste.
01:05<vorteks>irc.debian.org
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01:05<vorteks>is what i typed to cennect
01:05<locsmif>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 60255
01:05<vorteks>cennect/connect
01:05<locsmif>No error ^^
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01:06<ayaka>/var/log/exim4/paniclog is uesd for what?
01:06<th_>do you set a proxy in your web browser?
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01:06<vook>vorteks: do you have a proxy set up in your browser ?
01:06<vorteks>no?
01:06<vorteks>i didnt set any
01:06<th_>lol, same question
01:06<th_>now this is getting weird
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01:07<th_>if you try to open http://www.debian.org in your web browser
01:07<th_>what err msg do you get?
01:07<vook>I imagine you could browse with lynx or a different browser (chrome or opera)
01:07<ayaka>excuse,/var/log/exim4/paniclog is uesd for what?always show when boot
01:07<locsmif>vorteks: please do, also, on a prompt:
01:07<locsmif>wget -q -O /dev/null www.example.org; echo $?
01:07<locsmif>And tell me what number you see
01:07<vorteks>deibian.org loads fine
01:07<locsmif>Oh, okay.
01:08<locsmif>But other sites do not?
01:08<vorteks>true
01:08<locsmif>Hmmm.
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01:08<locsmif>Like which ones?
01:08<vook>ayaka: looking into it
01:09<ayaka>vook, has non-zero size
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01:09<vorteks>mayve cuase i got tor installed?
01:09<ayaka>vook, it broken
01:09<locsmif>vorteks, tor must be configured to be used by your browser
01:09<locsmif>otherwise it has no effect. I do recommend torbutton
01:09<locsmif>Do you use torbutton with iceweasel?
01:09<vorteks>i just wanted to irc anonymouslt
01:09<ayaka>vook, I don't have smtp server
01:10<locsmif>vorteks: then probably tor isn't interfering with surfing
01:10<vook>ayaka: then just rm the file
01:10<sangit>I want to edit debian-installer source to take the /var partition size as 10GB
01:10<th_>ayaka, you can try this as root: truncate -s 0 /var/log/exim4/paniclog
01:10<locsmif>but did you define a HTTP_PROXY in your environment?
01:10<sangit>i searched for it in partman package,but could not find where to change it.....
01:10<vook>ayaka: but you probably do have exim installed
01:10<th_>then /etc/init.d/exim4 restart
01:10<locsmif>vorteks: in case you were wondering, that might complicate things
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01:11<locsmif>what does echo $HTTP_PROXY say?
01:11<zero_>tnx guys XFCE work'd perfectly on the iBook
01:11<ayaka>vook, oh,then I will rm exim4 because I don't need it
01:12<vorteks>returns 0 output in rootbash
01:12<vorteks>aka nothing
01:12<locsmif>okay
01:12<locsmif>how about in normal user bash?
01:13<ayaka>vook, th_ thank you
01:13<vorteks>RETURNS NOTHING
01:13<th_>ayaka, np
01:13<vorteks>sorry bout caps
01:13<locsmif>If you can't name a site that doesn't work in your browser, that should work, then.. I'd say the error isn't reproducible
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01:14<locsmif>vorteks: np
01:14<locsmif>gotta have an error that can be demonstrated
01:14<ayaka>another problem,I want to use fbterm,but it said can'y open frame butter even I'm a root
01:15<th_>i'm not familiar with fb thing. does /dev/fb0 exist?
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01:16<th_>vorteks, do you use iceweasel?
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01:18<vorteks>one sec
01:19<vorteks>i removed tor let me check www
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01:19<locsmif>That wasn't necessary, you could've just stopped it, heh, besides, polipo is probably still installed
01:20<vorteks>didnt work
01:20<vorteks>heh
01:20<locsmif>What didn't work?
01:20<vorteks>\\im using epiphant to browse the web
01:20<vorteks>removing tor didnt help me to surf
01:21<vorteks>ephipany
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01:21<vorteks>epiphany
01:21<th_>what is the error msg in epiphany?
01:21<vorteks>is what im using to surf
01:22<vorteks>Unable to load page Problem occurred while loading the URL http://www.yahoo.com/ Cannot resolve hostname
01:22<locsmif>Aha
01:22<vorteks>same with google.com
01:22<locsmif>And what if you, on a normal user bash, did: links www.yahoo.com
01:23<locsmif>And also: dig www.yahoo.com
01:23<locsmif>the second command you paste in query again
01:23<locsmif>you can*
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01:24<locsmif>You might have a proxy configured in Gnome somewhere, but I don't want to get ahead of myself here
01:25<vorteks>k
01:25<locsmif>Okay, vorteks' name server lookup for Yahoo worked
01:25<locsmif>How about links?
01:25<vorteks>not installed
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01:26<locsmif>okay
01:26<locsmif>wget -q -O /dev/null http://www.yahoo.com; echo $?
01:26<locsmif>as normal user
01:27<vorteks>returns 4
01:27<locsmif>Thanks
01:27<vorteks>np
01:27<locsmif>That tells me the problem isn't limited to epiphany
01:27<vorteks>k
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01:28<locsmif>Would you say the problem is intermittent or always the same?
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01:28<vorteks>always the same
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01:28<locsmif>But debian.org works...
01:28<locsmif>hmmm
01:28<vorteks>yeah
01:28<vorteks>starnge isnt it
01:28<locsmif>And DNS works too
01:28<vorteks>strange
01:29<locsmif>How about:
01:29<locsmif>wget --no-proxy -q -O /dev/null http://www.yahoo.com; echo $?
01:29<locsmif>as normal user
01:29<zero_>hi, i installed xfce and works well, i want to know how to make it run automatically
01:29<jm_>zero_: runw hat automatically?
01:30<vorteks>bash returned 4
01:30<locsmif>vorteks: okay
01:30<locsmif>So, I'm beginning to think firewall maube
01:30<locsmif>maybe
01:31<locsmif>or hosts file
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01:31<vorteks>i dont have one installed? and when i reboot to windows it works fine :(
01:31<locsmif>Hmm, no
01:31<zero_>jm_ the x
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01:32<vorteks>how can i check host fule?
01:32<vorteks>host file i ment
01:33<locsmif>it's in /etc/hosts
01:33<locsmif>There shouldn't be much in there
01:33<MrFrood>with a text editor?
01:33<vorteks>ok ill edit it
01:33<locsmif>Except the basics
01:33<locsmif>vorteks: maybe first paste it in query
01:34<locsmif>And perhaps the output of iptables -L -v -n -t nat (as root)
01:34<locsmif>err
01:34<locsmif>And perhaps the output of iptables -L -v -n -t filter (as root)
01:34<jm_>zero_: install display manager
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01:40<zero_>what i mean is the x server works great but when i turn on my laptop it boots on console mode
01:41<zero_>i want to make it boot directly on x
01:42<th_>zero_, jm_ suggestion is the best way to make your laptop to run x automatically on boot
01:42<th_>there are several display managers in debian
01:43<th_>gdm, kdm, slim, xdm
01:44<th_>if one of them is installed, your laptop will run x at boot
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01:47<zero_>wich is best on low profile pc's
01:48<jm_>zero_: try slim
01:48<th_>so gdm and kdm are out
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01:48<zero_>ok, i'll try, tnx for your answers
01:49<zero_>i'm very happy debian runs a lot faster tan macintosh on my g3 clamshell
01:50<th_>glad to hear that
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01:54<zero_>is unveliable, my machine has only 300Mhz procesor and 128 mb ram, and it runs perfectly i can use web explorer, mp3 player and any stuff that before was almost impossible
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02:22<Gerowen>Why would a computer's display get dim when the power cord is plugged in, and bright when it's unplugged?
02:22<Gerowen>Sometimes it doesn't even transition, it just stays dim.
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02:25<sako>hey guys, so i am debating between a few distros + debian for my production webserver.. so far debian seems to be the best choice. I want to find out though, I will need nginx 1.0 release.. which came out about 2 weeks ago
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02:25<sako>what would be the best way to get that? seems i'd have to ssb it...
02:26<devil_>sako: nginx 1.0.0-2 is in unstable repository
02:26<sako>my only issue with that is ... how can i find out what version of the dependencies nginx1.0 needs?
02:26<bones_was_here>Gerowen: on eg the hp nc8000 laptop, theres two hardware (well, bios) brightness settings - one is applied when using battery, the other for AC - so its possible to set the brightness for the battery to be lower than for AC (which is done using the Fn + F* keys), maybe you have something like this
02:26<devil_>sako: apt-cahce policy nginx
02:26<sako>devil_: whats the best way to get that if i am in squeeze without compromising my system.. i don't want to grab dependency packages from unstable too..
02:27<devil_>apt-cache...
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02:27<devil_>sako: as it has only 1 dependency, it should be ok
02:27<devil_>sako: depends on nginx-full
02:28<Gerowen>bones_was_here: Weird, when I FN+F6, which should "lower" the brightness, it actually increases brightness, lol.
02:28<Gerowen>bones_was_here: But at least I got the brightness to max, doesn't really matter which F key I have to use, :p
02:28<sako>devil_: what im thinking bout doing is... add the deb-src for unstable, then do apt-get build-dep nginx, apt-get -b nginx, dpkg -i nginx
02:29<sako>does that seem like the best solution for this?
02:29<devil_>sako: the cleanest, yes
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02:32<bones_was_here>Gerowen: if the backlight control is buggy, check the manufacturer's site for a BIOS update, they do sometimes release fixes for that stuff
02:33<devil_>backlight is sometimes the first thing to die. i know of 2 Samsung screens, where backlight died after 2-3 years
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02:34<devil_>one of them sits here waiting to be repaired
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02:34<devil_>it started with backlight being off sometimes, making the screen unusable, even though you could see its working
02:35<devil_>turning it off/on brought it back for like 2 weeks, then it stayed off
02:36<\3TATUK>Security update changelogs still not propagating through debian.org?
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02:37<vorteks>.
02:37<devil_>vook: you are perfectly safe, you are 3 h ahead of me.
02:37<streuner_>\3TATUK: please use one channel to ask.
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03:25<rts>hello
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03:25<rts>can i help here ?
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03:26<vook>!ask
03:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:27<rts>someone send me my mailbox orig sources.list package conf , my debian error
03:27<rts>:(
03:27<rts>info@rts.ee
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03:28<rts>Linux aardla-net 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 21:36:00 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
03:28<vook>rts: there is a sources.list generator at this location - http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
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03:32<rts>vook thats is correct?
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03:35<costas>Good morning vook, rts what EXACTLY is your problem...?
03:36<rts>my sources.list is not correct file
03:36<rts>no update no installing package
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03:36<rts>costas
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03:36<costas>use nano /etc/apt/sources.list
03:38<costas>and check the stable sources from debian.org ... (that should be enough for stable release of debian squeeze)
03:38<costas>understood?
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03:39<costas>additional sources can be found on the link vook wrote...
03:40<costas>I use testing and that's NOT recommended for you unless you have driver issues, or you're a tester...
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03:42<costas>rts, if you need anything else, ask away...
03:42<devil>costas: its /etc/apt/sources.list.d by now even for stable, isnt it?
03:43<costas>not for me devil... correct me if I'm wrong...
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03:43<devil>costas: thats why i am asking. i thought, Squeeze had it
03:44<vook>no - sources.list.d exists and can be used, but sources.list is also still used
03:44<devil>oh, i thought, list.d was default by now
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03:45<devil>i find it much more practical, gven the fact that a lot of users have sources lists the length of my arm (specialy ubuntu connverts) ;)
03:46<vook>i dunno i guess - but i've done a few recent installations and sources.list was in use.
03:46<rts>et:1 http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release.gpg
03:46<rts>Get:2 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
03:46<rts>Get:3 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-et
03:46<costas>I too have a big sources list, and it's easier for gnome users to just edit it by hand...
03:46<rts>Get:4 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-en
03:46<rts>Get:5 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-et
03:46<rts>Get:6 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/non-free Translation-en
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03:46<rts>99% [2 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to ftp.ee.debian.org]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:46<vook>rts no flood
03:46<rts>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en
03:46<vook>!
03:46<rts>82% [3 Translation-et bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to ftp.ee.debian.org] [Waiting forbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:46<rts>Get:7 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/non-free Translation-et
03:46<rts>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-et
03:46<rts>71% [4 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to ftp.ee.debian.org] [Connecting bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:46<rts>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-en
03:46<rts>56% [5 Translation-et bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to ftp.ee.debian.org] [Connecting bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:46<rts>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main Translation-et
03:46<rts>42% [6 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to ftp.ee.debian.org] [Waiting forbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:46<rts>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/non-free Translation-en
03:46<rts>28% [7 Translation-et bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to ftp.ee.debian.org] [Waiting forbzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:46<rts>Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/non-free Translation-et
03:46<rts>Get:8 http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release
03:46<rts>Err http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release
03:46<rts>
03:46<slush>!ops rts flooding
03:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: slush complains about: rts flooding
03:47<rts>Get:9 http://ftp.ee.debian.org squeeze Release.gpg
03:47<rts>Get:10 http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/contrib Translation-en
03:47<rts>39% [10 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to 192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1)]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:47<rts>Ign http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/contrib Translation-en
03:47<rts>Get:11 http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/contrib Translation-et
03:47<rts>35% [11 Translation-et bzip2 0 B] [Connecting to 192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1)]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:47<rts>Ign http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/contrib Translation-et
03:47<costas>rts us the pastebin, or you'll get banned...
03:47<rts>Get:12 http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main Translation-en
03:47<rts>Get:13 http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main Translation-et
03:47<rts>37% [12 Translation-en bzip2 0 B] [13 Translation-et 721 B]bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
03:47<rts>Ign http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main Translation-en
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03:48<vook>wtf - I've never seen a paced flood before
03:48<slush>vook: irssi has it by default
03:49<slush>vook: even mirc has it ;) (not by default, but still)
03:49<vook>oh well - something I've never attempted
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03:50<rts>sorry all for flooding here
03:51<rts>im newbie here
03:51<rts>and i copy here 1 link , see all
03:51<rts>what is probleem
03:51<rts>http://pastebin.com/URKCPsUv
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03:52<vook>rts: you have plenty of room in /var, yes ?
03:53<rts>ext3 filesystem / home/ swap
03:53<th_>df -h /var
03:53<rts>ext4 sorry
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03:54<vook>rts: are you using apt-cacher ?
03:54<costas>from what I read, you might need a pgp signature key or a source is wrong... eg"GPG error: http://ftp.ee.debian.org squeeze Release"
03:54<rts>dev/sda4 size: 38G used: 3.6G Avail: 33G use% 10% /
03:54<costas>make sure rts to remove obsolete sources...
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03:56<rts>costas and all here: http://pastebin.com/Kgha5CTW
03:56<rts>im paste thats sources.list file
03:56<rts>is not correct or what
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03:57<rts>Linux hostname 2.6.32-686 #1 SMP thats uname -a
03:57<vook>line 16 and 18 don't look right
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03:58<rts>line is long
03:59<vook>rts: you could try a repo Latvia ??
03:59<rts>vook, estonia
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04:00<vook>yes - I'm curious if attempting to connect to a different repo in a nearby country may work.
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04:02<costas>rts, I'm using the big one from here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/debian-squeeze-repositories-709694/ avoid Testing sources and you'll be fine
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04:05<rts>costas thats link is correct repo ?
04:07<jww_>when in debian installer, I wish to use the shell in others console, but the keyboard is in english, can I change it from the shell ?
04:07<jm_>jww_: does installer only change it for the tty1?
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04:08<jww_>jm_: no, it's everywhere in english.
04:08<jm_>jww_: did you tell it which keymap to use?
04:08<jww_>no I did not.
04:08<jm_>it is one of the first questions it asks AFAIR
04:08<jww_>it's supposed to be automated until some point,
04:08<jww_>but the part where it make the partition fail.
04:09<jm_>check if commands like loadkeys are available
04:09<jww_>so I wish to use the console to debug it.
04:09<jww_>jm_: it's not :\
04:09<jm_>jww_: loadkmap maybe
04:09<jww_>I give it a try.
04:10<costas>rts I'm no ordinary debian user... stick with stable and add sources as you wish (document your changes and remember to stick with stable)
04:10<jww_>failure.
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04:10<jm_>you need to pass it binary keyboard translation table on stdin, like loadkmap < foo
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04:11<jww_>the shell doesn't find the executable it seems.
04:11<rts>fuck , who help me , i cant update from server
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04:12<jm_>ahh so it's not buysbox?
04:12<jww_>I thinked it was. lemme check.
04:12<jm_>busybox should have loadkmap command
04:13<jww_>when I type 'busybox loadkmap' it tell me applet not found.
04:13<jww_>I'm doomed.
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04:14<jm_>hmm I'd have to check what's available at that point but I don't have time now
04:14<costas>rts chill, just use the main server sources... then run apt-get clean, apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade...
04:15<jm_>rts: download the same file by hand and verify if it's OK
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04:16<jww_>jm_: you already gave me some clues to go on, thanks.
04:17<jm_>jww_: no worries
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04:23<locsmif>is ipv6.disable=1 the right method to disable ipv6 on Debian or only on Ubuntu?
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04:27<jm_>!disable ipv6
04:27<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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04:28<locsmif>Kinda contradicts the Wiki:
04:28<locsmif>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6
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04:31<daemonkeeper>Where?
04:32<daemonkeeper>net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 is a sysctl, dpkg mentions a command line setting.
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04:40<locsmif>One recommends altering options in the boot loader (dpkg), while the Wiki advises echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf
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04:40<locsmif>I understand both will achieve the same effect, basically
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04:41<daemonkeeper>So both are correct which is no "contradiction" by definition?
04:42<daemonkeeper>The Wiki approach is more flexible and easier perhaps
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04:42<locsmif>Perhaos contradiction is wrongly phrased
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04:43<locsmif>The Wiki add information dpkg lacks
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04:43<locsmif>And both show a different method of disabling ipv6 in the kernel
04:43<daemonkeeper>Feel free to updat dpkg's information
04:43<daemonkeeper>*update
04:43<locsmif>(and both methods work)
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04:44<locsmif>I'd just have dpkg point to the Wiki
04:44<locsmif>And extend the wiki with the info in dpkg
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04:45<locsmif>I.e. offer a choice between sysctl or boot loader disable
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04:45<th_>when people starts using ipv6 (can be years or decades from now) and needs to reenable ipv6 functionality, i think we'll have some fun figuring out what method we used to disable it
04:45<locsmif>th_: yeah :(
04:45<vorteks>locsmif: im surfing now :)
04:45<locsmif>YES!!
04:46<locsmif>Fucking ipv6! DIE! DIE!
04:46<locsmif>lol
04:46<vorteks>locsmif: thankyou very much for the help
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04:46<locsmif>Np
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04:46<locsmif>But I must say I'm unsatisfied not knowing why ipv6 fuxored up your system
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04:46<locsmif>vorteks: you might consider repairing nsswitch.conf
04:47<locsmif>hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
04:47<th_>vorteks, what's the windows version in your computer?
04:47<locsmif>if that causes you problems again, remove the NOTFOUND section
04:47<locsmif>devil: ^^
04:48<locsmif>ipv6 = pestilence and beëlzebub
04:49<vorteks>xp
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04:49<locsmif>th_: it seems that utilities like traceroute, wget and epiphany are just not ipv6-ready?
04:50<vorteks>th_: i got fed up with ms so i insalled debisn sgian
04:50<locsmif>vorteks, you could reinstall things deinstalled, but I'd not reinstall network-manager again
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04:51<vorteks>k
04:51<th_>locsmif, i don't know about that, there is no ipv6 network here for me to play with
04:51<locsmif>And I also don't know why you have that weird broadcast addy
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04:51<locsmif>th_: I'm oversimplifying the issue
04:51<kenyon>traceroute will never be ipv6-ready. that's what traceroute6 and tracepath6 are fore
04:51<th_>i love debian, there are lots of game in the repos
04:52<locsmif>th_: but it seems that the /absence/ of ipv6 allows traceroute, wget and browsers to work again on vorteks' specific system
04:52<kenyon>wget and epiphany work fine with IPv6
04:52<locsmif>kenyon: erm, yeah, good point, I actually meant more like what I said above.
04:53<locsmif>kenyon: then you tell me why the disabling of ipv6 fixed vorteks' crazy DNS heisenbug
04:53<th_>i see
04:53<locsmif>Maybe the system is a bit of a mess (lol) but still (no offense vorteks :)
04:54<locsmif>Anyways, it makes my head hurt and I give up trying to understand it for today.
04:54<kenyon>I don't know what the issue was, will have to look in my scrollback
04:54<th_>and luckily since vorteks doesn't need ipv6, it's easier to just disable the whole ipv6
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04:54<locsmif>I observed one thing:
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04:55<locsmif>I got vorteks to install tcpdump (apt didn't work either, so we used wget with ip address)
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04:55<locsmif>And traceroute did not make any DNS requests when traceroute yahoo.com was executed, but ping did
04:56<locsmif>And, both dig (1) and host (1) worked fine.
04:56<kenyon>I would have liked to see output of these: ip a; ip r; ip -6 r; cat /etc/resolv.conf
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04:57<locsmif>Hmmm, did have him output route -n, but that's all I did
04:59<locsmif>I would've wanted to see an strace of traceroute
04:59<th_>i should start playing with ipv6
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05:03<brickz>hi, does anybody know if debian (running gnome most of the time) supports output on two different graphics cards (showing one desktop) ? I am planning to buy a second monitor but my intel onboard card has only one connector
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05:05<tuhin>any Bengali speaking user here?
05:05<locsmif>brickz: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Multiple_Monitors
05:06<locsmif>And, stuff like: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=53966
05:06<locsmif>xorg.conf is flexible in that regard
05:06<locsmif>I have a dual head on a single GFX card, so I've got it easier
05:07<th_>i'm surprised that nowadays we don't even need an xorg.conf to do that
05:07<locsmif>We don't?
05:07<th_>just through xrandr
05:08<locsmif>Then I'm behind on times
05:08<kenyon>http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
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05:09<th_>i'm behind too. it's just a few weeks ago that i learned that X can be run without xorg.conf
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05:10<kenyon>!xorg.conf
05:10<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>.
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05:11<locsmif>I'm shamefully behind on times
05:11<th_>then i plugged a monitor to my laptop, type some magic xrandr spell... multihead works flawlessly
05:11<locsmif>But I do recall that xrandr stuff now that I'm rading it
05:14<brickz>thank you locsmif, information about 3d acceleration have always been contradictory but it looks possible
05:16<vorteks>whats good www browser
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05:16<vorteks>epiphany does not seem to connect to ftp site
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05:17<th_>i think iceweasel can
05:18<costas>brickz, nowadays multiple screens are a piece of cake, just get the right vga driver...
05:18<vorteks>k
05:20<th_>if you need even more ftp functionality, consider installing this firefox addon: http://fireftp.mozdev.org
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05:25<zhpeng>who knows IA64?
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05:25<jww_>zhpeng: google for it.
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05:27<zhpeng>I encountered a problem of installing squeeze on a HP IA64 blade.
05:27<khalid>dnsmasq is configured for the dhcp in debian squeeze the xp cannot ge the ip form squeeze?
05:30<jww_>zhpeng: sorry I misread your question.
05:30<jww_>zhpeng: I thinked you were asking what is ia64.
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05:31<locsmif>brickz: np, but they're right, I'm outdated and xrandr is the way to go
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05:33<brickz>I planned using gnome-display-properties (the easy way) i think it's based on xrandr
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05:44<costas>zpheng, I state your problem... I run an amd64 squeeze at home, might be able to help
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05:44<costas>!IA64
05:44<dpkg>[ia64] Intel Architecture-64 (IA-64) is a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as <Itanium> and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
05:44<jm_>khalid: dnsmasq logs requests so see if it receives any
05:45<khalid>ok
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05:47-!-mode/#debian [-o Myon] by Myon
05:48<rts>i will know , who is here debian support professionaal someone ?
05:48<tyurizki>helo
05:48<rts>everybody
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05:51<costas>rts, if you don't listen your problem cannot be fixed...
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05:52<rts>costas i says one , come here and fixed help me , i adding you account my servers
05:54<rts>costas and one says: if u dont want help me , no says ever :)
05:54<kamenka>vsem privet
05:54<kamenka>help pliz
05:54<rts>speak english
05:54<khalid>kernel: [ 5186.846078] r8169: eth0: link down kernel: [ 5206.131481] r8169: eth0: link up
05:54<rts>kamenka what is ur problems ?
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05:55<kamenka>ne mogy pechatat" po russki
05:55<kamenka>iazik est
05:55<khalid>jm the above is from syslog nothing special log in from dnsmasq
05:55<rts>kamenka thats is english main chat :)
05:56<kamenka>xbuntu 10.10 na vitrual mashines
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05:57<kamenka>:) i dont speak inglish
05:57<kamenka>sorry
05:57<kamenka>:)
05:57<eway>kamenka setxkbmap -layout us,ru в терминале
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05:58<kamenka>spasibo
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06:00<costas>rts you haven't even bothered to rtfm and fix your sources... read and fix it. I'm not your daddy.
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06:02<rts>costas , when i fixed sources ?
06:02<rts>costas , please type in command here
06:02<@Myon>vi sources.list ; apt-get update
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06:04<rts>myon i type apt-get update , and thats big error coming
06:04<jm_>khalid: did you enable its DHCP server at all?
06:05<@Myon>rts: it is pretty impossible to help you if you don't say what the error is (also, it is no fun either)
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06:05<jm_>khalid: it defaults to daemon.log I believe
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06:06<costas>!beer dpkg
06:06*dpkg pulls out a fine Bornem Tripple for dpkg
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06:06<rts>myon ok im copy pastebin.com new generation information u
06:06<rts>please wait moment
06:06<@Myon>AND please try to fix it yourself first
06:07<costas>rts check every line and delete every source that is obsolete by yourself...
06:07<khalid>jm yes
06:07<jm_>khalid: how?
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06:07<costas>then run an apt-get clean, apt-get update, and FINALLY an apt-get upgrade.
06:08<khalid>i enabled the dhcp in the win xp
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06:09<jm_>no, I meant in dnsmasq.conf file or via its command line options
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06:11<khalid>i just checked the daemon.log for dnsmasq there are all forwarded to ip's to the upstream server nothing about xp box
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06:11<jm_>so it's likely you didn't even enable DHCP for dnsmasq
06:12<khalid>dhcp-range=192.168.1.50,192.168.1.150,12h
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06:12<khalid>dhcp-option=option:router,192.168.1.1
06:13<khalid>dhcp-option=option:domain-name,example.net
06:13<khalid>these are what i did for dhcp in dnsmasq.conf
06:14<rts>myon thats here error http://pastebin.com/FHFVdYG2
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06:19<vook>rts: just curious - have you tried using aptitude ?
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06:20<vook>try this : dpkg --clear-avail
06:20<khalid>jm xp error unable to contact your dhcp server Request has timed out
06:21<vook>rts : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1275180 <-- sorry for the ubuntu link, but this problem seems to have been solved later in the thread
06:23<jm_>khalid: you can run tcpdump on the dnsmasq system and check if it receivers a DHCP request there
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06:31<costas>!beer costas
06:31*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for costas
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06:31<costas>bye bye fellow debianheads
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06:42<vorteks>how do i set the time on squeeze?
06:42<jm_>!set time
06:42<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (sid, wheezy, squeeze, lenny) or tzconfig (etch) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
06:43<vorteks>tanxs
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07:18<vorteks>tzconfig sets wrong time what should i do i selected my state
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07:21<jm_>tzconfig doesn't set time
07:21<vorteks>er dpkg-recnfigure tzdata
07:21<vorteks>i set it manualy in gnome :)
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07:23<SynrG>reconfiguring tzdata doesn't set time either. it sets timezone. maybe your system clock is just wrong?
07:24<SynrG>do you have multiple OSes on this system? if so, they should agree on whether the system clock is set to localtime or UTC
07:28<vorteks>yeah windblows is also on here
07:28<jm_>so probably best to set it to no UTC
07:28<vorteks>herm its manualy set to 7:30 am in gnome
07:29<vorteks>whats the best eyecandy for a windowsmanager size dont matter
07:33<vorteks>windowmanager
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07:45<SynrG>!utc
07:45<dpkg>hmm... utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart
07:45<SynrG>vorteks: ^^ set UTC=no is best if you also have windows on the same sysetm
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07:46<vorteks>k
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07:46<SynrG>"best eyecandy"? that's highly subjective
07:46<SynrG>for me, the best eyecandy is no eyecandy :p
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07:48<SynrG>at work on the desktop i need maximum resources for my development workstation. not really interested i eyecandy there (besides which, it has sucky intel integrated graphics). on my netbook, i need to squeeze the last bit of performance out of it because the system is underpowered. for the home desktop, 99% of the time i'm accessing it via VNC, so no desire for eyecandy there, either, for performance reasons.
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07:49<SynrG>if you want to be dazzled by something pretty on my machine, just walk by when it's running electricsheep :)
07:49<SynrG>that has gotten me several positive comments at the office
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07:53<jm_>how much CPU does esheep use?
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07:56<veers>+
07:57<SynrG>jm_: well, since it's using mplayer to do the playback, it depends on mplayer performance on your system
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07:58<SynrG>i'll admit it's pretty brutal on my less powerful systems, but since it's only running when i've walked away and am not doing anything, i don't particularly care.
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07:59<jm_>SynrG: how about when it's calculating frames to send to servers?
07:59<SynrG>about 30% on my desktop at work and 66% on my netbook
07:59<SynrG>humm. haven't measured that.
07:59<jm_>ok thanks
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08:00<SynrG>every once in a while on the netbook i'll see electricsheep pop up with 3-4% ...
08:00<SynrG>otherwise, it is quiet
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08:04<vorteks>brb breakfeast
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08:08<SynrG>jm_: vo=xv is kinder to my pitiful 865G on my office desktop than vo=gl
08:10<jm_>SynrG: do you have vaapi support in it?
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08:10<jm_>SynrG: ahh 865 - no idea if that even has HW support for it
08:11<SynrG>it does gl a bit
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08:24<jm_>ohh I mean video decode acceleration like some new CPU-s/GPU-s have
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08:33<SynrG>jm_: ah. likely not
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08:35<vorteks>whats a good www broser?
08:35<vorteks>browser
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08:36<babilen>vorteks: iceweasel (+pentadactyl), chromium, opera, epiphany, ... take your pick
08:36<SynrG>links2
08:36<babilen>heh
08:36<tjader>w3m
08:36<babilen>I prefer w3m though
08:36<Odin->conkeror !
08:36<vorteks>w3m got a gui?
08:36<SynrG>links2 does! :)
08:36<tjader>uzbl
08:37<babilen>Odin-: lack of "k" at the beginning .. and
08:37<jm_>conkeror is not konqueror
08:37<babilen>ah!
08:37<babilen>TIL
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08:39<SynrG>vorteks: hint: "what's a good ____" questions generally return meaningless results :p
08:39<vorteks>:) ok
08:39<babilen>vorteks: please come up with a good metric that measures the degree of "goodness"
08:40<SynrG>you need to ask more pointed questions: "in a web browser, i like a), b) and c). what would you recommend for that?"
08:40<vorteks>ahh
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08:47<tjader>Is there a tool that looks at an executable's linked libraries and installs/prints a list of packages providing those libraries
08:48<jm_>tjader: dpkg build tools do this AFAIK
08:49<jm_>dpkg-shlibdeps IIRC
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08:51<tjader>Thanks
08:51<vorteks>iceweasel wont load google.com or any other webpage
08:51<vorteks>niether will ephinay
08:52<vorteks>niether will ephipanay
08:52<tjader>It seems to want debian/control, though
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08:52<vorteks>e/msg dpkg chromium
08:53<babilen>vorteks: It is likely a problem with your internet connection. Edit /etc/resolv.conf and put something like "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in there and try again. Can you "ping 8.8.8.8" ?
08:54<jm_>or maybe you have to use a proxy or whatever
08:54<vorteks>one sec
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08:57<vorteks>tanxs !
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08:58<home-alone>hi , how to update
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08:59<home-alone>apt--get update or update manager is better
09:00<tjader>home-alone: both are supposed to work
09:01<tjader>update-manager is more user-friendly
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09:09<home-alone>could somebody suggest me games in Debian repos which is fun to play..???
09:11<acu>I want to use a simple tool to monitor traffic to HTTP webserver (I have multiple virtual hosts and want to see specifically how many hits each gets and from what IP addresses
09:11<arand>home-alone: armagetronad?
09:11<tjader>home-alone: any particular kind of game?
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09:12<tjader>There's sauerbraten, warsow and openarena, which are FPSs
09:13<home-alone>any type of games
09:14<home-alone>are these games plable on low specs
09:14<home-alone>playable
09:14<tjader>The ones I said aren't.
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09:15<home-alone>my specs are pentium III with 256 ram
09:15<tjader>http://wiki.debian.org/Game <-- try this
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09:41<vorteks>ahh debian finaly www browsing ahhh
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09:41<vorteks>no need to secure i guess sense im behind a firewall
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09:42<vorteks>and its not that weak one by checkpoint
09:43<vorteks>now to get enlightenment working heh
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09:43<vorteks>any ideas why enlightenment wont start?
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09:44<vorteks>wheen i reboot it goes straight to gdm3
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10:00<tirc433>hi. i used apt-get to install cronolog but i get this message: "Ignoring install-info called from maintainer script The package cronolog should be rebuilt with new debhelper to get trigger support"
10:01<tirc433>anyone know what i should do to get everything working? do i need to remove the package that partially install?
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10:04<jhutchins_lt>tirc433: Which release?
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10:06<tirc433>Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main cronolog i386 1.6.2-5.3 [28.1 kB]
10:07<tirc433>Linux debian 2.6.38
10:08<tirc433>jhutchins_lt: I'm a total n00b, so...
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10:11<jhutchins_lt>tirc433: "Squeeze" is what I was looking for.
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10:11<jhutchins_lt>tirc433: First you should check bugs.debian.org for existing reports; if none exists please file one.
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10:12<jhutchins_lt>!maint cronolog
10:12<jhutchins_lt>We also need to find the maintainer and contact them, requesting that the package be updated.
10:13<jhutchins_lt>There you are, a nice polite email to him requesting that the package be made current.
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10:14<tirc433>do i need to uninstall whatever did install already?
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10:15<bschneider>hi
10:16<bschneider>I want to change the email adresse of root, I don't want the sender email look root@....
10:16<bschneider>any idear to do this ?
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10:18<costas>!beer dpkg
10:18*dpkg pours a litre of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg
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10:23<aussa>when I try to access a partition using Knoppix I get this: "daemon is inhibited", what is that?
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10:25<jww_>!knoppix
10:25<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
10:25<rigved>aussa: knoppix is not debian. you should ask on #knoppix on freenode. you will not get support for it here
10:25<rigved>ooops
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10:25<aussa>ok ty
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10:26<jww_>does someone know if the driver for a 'Intel IBEX PEAK Sata Controller' is included in lenny ?
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10:28<EmleyMoor>jww_: Does it need anything special?
10:28<jww_>I dunno. like what ?
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10:35<EmleyMoor>jww_: In general, a SATA controller shouldn't present a problem as far as I know. However, if you know different, we need more information
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10:36<jww_>EmleyMoor: my problem is that some other guy from my job try to install a custom debian install CD I made.
10:36<jww_>but he's like 800km from here, and got _low_ computer skills.
10:37<jww_>and off course my custom CD doesn't install, it seems it doesn't find hard disks.
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10:39<komosn>anyone ever have a problem with video AND audio freezing and skipping frames ?
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10:49<bighornram>I installed minefield (firefox betas) into /usr/bin and in order to be able to run update from it's help menu, I have to run it with the gksu command. I created a new profile for this. When I run with gksu it opens to a porn site as the homepage! This doesn't happen when I open as regular user. This can't be the default page mozilla developers have chosen, so why would this happen. PS. I know it is off topic but I'm concerned my squeeze system m
10:49<bighornram>ight be infected.
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10:55<bones_was_here>i suppose you could grep through the files (with strings for the binaries) that make up firefox looking for the url it loads up
10:57<bighornram>bones_was_here: thanks for the reply, this only happens when I open with gksu. looking in preferneces etc. all cache is empty and nothing listed as the default homepage!
10:58<bones_was_here>yes, but the same binaries are run when you start it that way, if it is coded in somewhere, the code could choose its behaviour based on what user is running it
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10:59<bones_was_here>where did you download it, was it eg a pre compiled package on a blog or something?
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11:00<SynrG>when you checked the profile when running under gksu, were you looking in /root?
11:01<bighornram>bones_was_here: got it from mozilla.org
11:01<bighornram>SynrG: checking that now
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11:02<bighornram>SynrG: I looked at cache etc. in preferences of the browser which opens with gksu command.
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11:03<SynrG>tirc433: the package has been orphaned
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11:04<tirc433>SynrG: is there an alternate method of installing it? if not, is there another commonly used package with the same (similar) capabilities?
11:04<SynrG>tirc433: the original maintainer has made no upload since 2004. it was NMU'd three times since that, the latest being 2007
11:05<SynrG>don't know. but with such poor package health, i suggest you not use this package.
11:05<SynrG>if you still feel you must use it, file a bug
11:05<SynrG>you'll have no luck contacting the maintainer directly, since it has no maintainer
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11:06<cyrusevans>hi all
11:06<cyrusevans>this is cyrus from China
11:07<jww_>EmleyMoor: for informations I found this page : http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant . it talk about my problem.
11:07<cyrusevans>anyone know who will be responsible for debian international?
11:08<bighornram>SynrG: so from the commandline, I deleted the profile in the .mozilla/firefox directory under root. opened again using gksu and a new profile is created with guess what that same site as default homepage.
11:08<jww_>cyrusevans: vote for me.
11:08<cyrusevans>have seen that debian Chinese had been inactive for a long time
11:08<cyrusevans>jww: vote?
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11:10<jww_>cyrusevans: for me to be reponsible for debian international j/k ;)
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11:10<SynrG>bighornram: what about stuff under /etc/?
11:11<cyrusevans>jww: I am looking for the right person that I could talk with this issue
11:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 488] by debhelper
11:11<bighornram>SynrG: will check
11:11<SynrG>bighornram: maybe /etc/mozilla or /etc/firefox or something
11:12<opalepatrick>Just installed debian foir the first time but have an issue with 'Not Optimum Mode' re display on Samsung Monitor. Seen various references too xorg.conf but cant seem to find relevant instructiosn to create it to change
11:12<@Myon>cyrusevans: ask the developers from china
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11:13<SynrG>opalepatrick: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
11:14<bighornram>SynrG: don't see anything under /etc like that
11:15<cyrusevans>Myon: anywhere I could do that?
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11:16<@Myon>cyrusevans: http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-chinese/
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11:16<SynrG>bighornram: could be the result of dns cache poisoning. is the system at all portable (e.g. laptop)? if so, do you see it always or just at your current network?
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11:17<opalepatrick>(EE) NOUVEAU(0): Error creating GPU channel: -19, (EE) NOUVEAU(0): Error initialising acceleration. Falling back to NoAccel
11:17<opalepatrick>relevant?
11:17<SynrG>possibly. maybe your chipset is too new for nouveau?
11:18<SynrG>lspci -nn and look for the video chipset pci id#
11:18<SynrG>lspci -nn |grep -i display
11:18<bighornram>SynrG: is a laptop though it hasn't left my house. Interesting, I can check this as I can tether to my cell. BRB. ;)
11:19<SynrG>opalepatrick: it's at the end of the line in square brackets
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11:19<lorimar>who knows urls of websites with job offering for remote linux administrator?
11:19<clear>There is a PC:
11:19<clear>percent: 900 MHz
11:19<clear>RAM: 450 m
11:19<clear>Operates under a system of Debian 6.0 squeeze LXDE. After booting the system, 270 meters eats system RAM, 180 free.
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11:22<opalepatrick>SynrG, loads of refs to Nvidia but no specific pci id# - also second command does nothing from root terminal anyway
11:23<SynrG>opalepatrick: hmm?
11:23<opalepatrick>tbh this card is a couple of yeats old
11:23<SynrG>00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:a012]
11:23<SynrG>the last thing on the line, in square brackets, is the pci id
11:23<SynrG>that's the most precise way to identify your hardware, as strings to describe it vary wildly
11:24<SynrG>i don't know the status of the nouveau project. 2 years old may still be "too new"
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11:26<opalepatrick>Dont want to look like a dunce SynrG but I cant see a ref to a display controller - http://pastebin.ca/2047813
11:27<opalepatrick>specifically anyway
11:27<jww_>'vga compatible controller' .3rd line from bottom.
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11:30<SynrG>opalepatrick: it might be helpful also to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:30<SynrG>in case something else useful can be found in there
11:30<opalepatrick>OK, will do 2 secs
11:30<SynrG>i have to go. just finished lunch and need to work. maybe someone else can assist
11:30<opalepatrick>thanks anywa SynrG
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11:31<costas>jww_, just tell your friend to download a proper Debian CD...
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11:33<opalepatrick>http://pastebin.ca/2047816 is Xorg.0.log - any help to get started with Debian (past that horribloe little Not Optimum Mode box would be great
11:33<jww_>costas: now I found some on http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant . but i'll have to redo our custom installation using this proper debian CD'.
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11:35<Zathras>Hi. On Squeeze I installed and configured ldap-migration script. Ran it and it produces a base.ldif file, however not an users, groups, etc file
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11:35<opalepatrick>thing is the screen looks like it ios operating in the correct resolution, but I still have that box there and it goes black every couple of mins, so I have to restart the monitor
11:35<Zathras>no errors in logs, no output from script. How to commence please?
11:36<Zathras>opalepatrick, maybe a screensaver?
11:36<idank>is there some way to recover something that was written to the terminal right before I closed it?
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11:38<bighornram>SynrG: goes to the same chinese pussy cats dot com page when tethered to my cell.
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11:40<SynrG>bighornram: so, completely different dns?
11:40<bighornram>SynrG: completely
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11:42<SynrG>opalepatrick: i turn your attention to lines 531 and 532 where it says you're using hsync and vrefresh values from config file ...
11:42<SynrG>opalepatrick: that's suspicious
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11:43<opalepatrick>dont think so Zathras - there all the time (the box) and turned off screendsaver just in case
11:43<Zathras>just entered in the middle of a discussion. Now I noticed you have X config issues. Please ignore my comment
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11:46<opalepatrick>because the config file doesn't exist?
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11:46<SynrG>hmm
11:47<opalepatrick>Would it be worth creating an xorg.conf?
11:47<SynrG>well, normally one is not needed.
11:47<SynrG>i take it you're supposed to see 1920x1080 and you don't?
11:47<SynrG>what do you see instead?
11:48<SynrG>the baffling thing is, this all looks correct.
11:48<opalepatrick>Actually I am seeing 1920x1080 (I am sure) but I am getting that warning box from the Samsung monitor floating over everything and closing monitor to black every 2 mins
11:49<opalepatrick>And everything does look OK SynrG
11:50<SynrG>i wonder if the frequency used by the driver is ever-so-slightly off-spec and that triggers the message
11:50<SynrG>what does xrandr say?
11:50<opalepatrick>I believe Samsung monitors have caused issued previously with Debian
11:50<SynrG>you may need to hand-craft something for xorg.conf to make the monitor happy, then.
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11:51<SynrG>perhapsy you can find some ready-made solution out there on the intertubes
11:51<SynrG>perhaps*
11:51<SynrG>if these monitors are known to have issues, i mean
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11:51<opalepatrick>just for the record - http://pastebin.ca/2047823
11:52<opalepatrick>looks OK doesnt it?
11:53<opalepatrick>actually it says 59.9
11:53<opalepatrick>that is not 60 as per little box
11:54<SynrG>right. so maybe we could force it to use 60 through a custom modeline and that would make the monitor happy? just a thought.
11:54<costas>opalepatrick, once you have the proper sync modes from your Samsung manual, it's easy to just edit xorg.conf...
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11:59<costas>a few decades ago...we just did a dpkg-reconfigure and manually set the sync modes...
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12:03<SynrG>costas: which is for modern systems a terribly naive and inflexible approach, hence we don't do it that way anymore
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12:04<SynrG>these days people expect to be able to plug in any display device and it 'just works'. for the most part, that is true now.
12:04<SynrG>every now and then, there is some piece of difficult hardware like this to spoil your day :p
12:05<costas>SynrG, I know, these days most peeps don't even read manuals, or do not even know what vga their laptop has...
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12:05<costas>debian testing runs fine here btw
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12:07<SynrG>costas: which, i hope, means they now have more time to read manuals for the software they actually want to run, rather than about the low-level stuff. this is actually progress.
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12:09<costas>well, trust me when I say that I prefer yesterday's fast learning curve on a debian system than today's idiots ridin' a big stick and know nothing about terminals...
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12:11<costas>!beer dpkg
12:11*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for dpkg
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12:28<costas>silence.... anyone needs anything just ask (for women, drugs, and guns try another channel) 8-D
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12:32<costas>!dopamine
12:32<costas>!caffeine
12:32<dpkg>well, caffeine is every programmers greatest need or the giver of life-source and the taker of sleep or necessary for most system administrators who have to deal with idiots who think that the world starts at 9a and ends at 5p. http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/20000710.gif, or http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine.shtml, or <C8H10N4O2>
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>costas: I can't remember how many years ago it was that I last unboxed a monitor that had the specs in an included manual.
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12:36<jthomas_sb>Not Found -- The requested URL /comics/20000710.gif was not found on this server.
12:38<costas>!dpkg is drunk after all the beer I gave it...
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12:39<lxsameer>is there any specific channel for debmirror
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12:39<costas>jhutchins, every monitor I get has the specs inside the manual... I buy expensive stuff that last for decades, I fix them myself too
12:40<costas>default settings are auto configured by recent kernels nowadays anyway
12:41<costas>!debmirror
12:41<dpkg>debmirror is a script to create a partial Debian mirror. Receiving "public key not found" errors from gpgv? Use "gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --export | gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring trustedkeys.gpg --import" or "gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring trustedkeys.gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys <key ID>" to add the required key to ~/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg. See also <mirrors>.
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12:42<costas>lxsameer, don't know if there's any channel specifically for debmirror, try /msg dpkg mirrors to get any info you need without flooding
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12:43<lxsameer>costas, ok thanks
12:43<costas>I'm sure there is a wiki about it...
12:44<costas>np
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12:45<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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12:48<the_hydra>!user mode linux
12:48<dpkg>User Mode Linux (UML) is a port of the Linux kernel to user mode, so you can run one or more Linux hosts inside a running Linux system, each with its own scheduler, process table, etc. http://wiki.debian.org/UserModeLinux . See also <virtualization>.
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12:52<yeaten>http://imageupload.org/?d=4DAC6C5D1 do you have any ideas about that glitch?
12:53<costas>yeaten, looks like a vga driver glitch...
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12:54<costas>anyone else? I'm using fluxbox on this laptop, no gnome yet...
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12:55<yeaten>it happened when i upgrade ubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04
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12:55<ssal>hmm, not happening here
12:55<costas>did you ask on #ubuntu? This is #debian...
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12:56<yeaten>there is noone there
12:56<costas>unless you run an experimental or testin kernel, check to see if your vga driver is current...
12:57<yeaten>i'm using nvidia x server
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12:58<costas>check here...basic situation works in Ubuntu as well
12:58<sney>!ubuntu
12:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:58<costas>!nvidia
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12:58<yeaten>are there any library about gtk+ theme
12:58<sney>yeaten: you need to ask in the Ubuntu channel, we don't know what changes ubuntu has made so we can't support it
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12:59<sney>yeaten: #ubuntu is on a different irc network, if you're using xchat open your network list and select "freenode"
12:59<costas>yeaten, sney is right... try to install Debian is more stable than Ubuntu anyways...
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13:00<costas>sney, you should suggest a squeeze install to yeaten...
13:00<sney>meh
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13:01<sney>if he gets fed up with ubuntu's shitty support he'll come back on his own.
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13:02<costas>he might just use windows for the rest of his miserable life too... 8-)
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13:03<costas>!beer dpkg
13:03*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Pils for dpkg
13:03<sney>don't get the bot drunk
13:03<cahoot>some debianusers seems rather miserable too though
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13:04<costas>I'll make the bot spit a new kernel over us heads...
13:05<costas>!beer dpkg
13:05*dpkg pulls out a tasty Delirium Tremens for dpkg
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13:05<costas>good night people, I still have some work to do
13:06<costas>!beer costas
13:06*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for costas
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13:37<locsmif>Hi all. What was that apt or dpkg tool again to verify files installed from packages?
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13:38<daemonkeeper>Verify?
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13:38<chealer>locsmif: debsums
13:38<locsmif>Ah yes!
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13:38<locsmif>Thank you!
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14:28<trompette>hi guys !
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14:29<trompette>i'm looking for an answer about php-fpm on debian
14:29<trompette>i'm running squeeze
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14:29<bighornram>SynrG: I think I found solution to my firefox beta homepage issue. :o
14:29<trompette>and there is php 5.3.3 including php-fpm
14:29<SynrG>bighornram: oh? what's that?
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14:29<bighornram>google firefoxbeta.com
14:30<bighornram>firefoxbeta.com must be hardcoded
14:30<trompette>but from what i've found on the internet, it looks like i have to enable detdeb for alternate packages
14:30<SynrG>ah. and then a domain squatter snapped it up
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14:30<SynrG>and sold to the highest bidder
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14:31<bighornram>guess so! only goes there when I'm root though
14:31<SynrG>fun
14:31<bighornram>lol
14:31<trompette>my question : is php in squeeze built with php-fpm support ?
14:31<SynrG>and is the problem reported?
14:31<SynrG>anyway, gotta dash. errands. later :)
14:31<bighornram>i'll email them about it.
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14:31<bighornram>:P thanks for your help earlier
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14:35<fralle_>somebody using debian on an aspire 5742G laptop and has a solution to a strange freeze in the image once and then ?
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14:36<pedrolrneves>boas
14:36<pedrolrneves>tardes
14:36<the_hydra>fralle_: exactly, what kind of freeze?
14:37<cahoot>fralle: nothing useful in ~/.xsession-errors?
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14:37<fralle_>im not sure
14:37<fralle_>the image just freezes...
14:38<the_hydra>fralle_: you mean, the screen output, right?
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14:38<fralle_>yeah the_hydra
14:38<fralle_>screen
14:39<fralle_>not sure why...
14:39<fralle_>or what generates that freeze
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14:39<the_hydra>fralle_: do you enable magic sysrq?
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14:39<fralle_>how do i see that? :)
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14:40<the_hydra>fralle_: well, did you see /proc/sysrq-trigger?
14:40<the_hydra>fralle_: if yes, quite likely you already enable it
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14:40<the_hydra>fralle_: have you boot into text mode ?
14:40<fralle_>yeah its enabled
14:41<fralle_>its a debian kernel from the deb repo
14:41<fralle_>stable
14:41<fralle_>grep CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64
14:41<fralle_>CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
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14:41<fralle_>should i disable it?
14:42<fralle_>CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ_DEFAULT_MASK=0x01b6 <- mask
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14:43<cahoot>fralle: that's the cause of trouble - it's a means to simplify troubleshooting
14:43<cahoot>err that's not a cause of trouble
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14:44<fralle_>okok
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14:45<the_hydra>fralle_: to give better ideas on what's went wrong, you need to generate stack trace
14:45<fralle_>on the kernel u mean?
14:45<fralle_>im not really sure how to do that :)
14:45<the_hydra>fralle_: assuming your machine is not really "frozen", it should be get written to /var/log/message
14:45<fralle_>okok
14:45<fralle_>ill check the log aswell
14:46<fralle_>it recovers almost imidiatly from the freeze
14:46<fralle_>but its annoying as hell :)
14:46<fralle_>specially if i try to watch a movie or something :p
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14:47<the_hydra>ok, try Alt-Print Screen-T
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14:48<fralle_>something special to watch for at messages hydro?
14:48<fralle_>i more or less see the kernel log
14:50<the_hydra>fralle_: well, I don't know yet... however, that traces might show us the state of all your current running programs
14:50<the_hydra>at the functions currently executed might be the lead
14:51<fralle_>where can i learn how to do such a trace? :)
14:52<fralle_>i see that when i scroll at the browser i can produce the freeze and sometimes afterwards the browser gets messed up at some parts
14:53<locsmif>Video driver issue looks like
14:53<fralle_>yeah im guessing that
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14:53<locsmif>What are your kernel options?
14:53<locsmif>In Grub?
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14:54<locsmif>Look in /etc/default/grub for Grub 2
14:55<Eddy>helo, i installed debian 5.05 testing on toshiba satellite but i have no wireless working
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14:55<fralle_> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=UUID=b357761a-811a-4454-b2f8-0749d9441103 ro quiet
14:55<fralle_>from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
14:55<mha>need to install firefox but not available in package manager, how?
14:56<dondelelcaro>mha: you want iceweasel
14:56<thabeus>hi. anyone here who allready installed vmware on debian?
14:56<fralle_>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" in etc/default/grub
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14:56<mha>dondelelcaro: iceweasel freezes every now and then and is very slow as well
14:57<dondelelcaro>mha: there's no difference between iceweasel and firefox, besides the name and logo.
14:57<Eddy>any1 can help ?
14:57<locsmif>fralle_: seems ok
14:57<mha>dondelelcaro: I believe there are differences, but same engine. I saw a debate few days ago!!
14:57<Eddy>helo, i installed debian 5.05 testing on toshiba satellite but i have no wireless working
14:57<locsmif>fralle_: do you get these problems when you don't start X?
14:57<bja>Eddy: try the latest stable version of debian which happens to be 6.0.1
14:58<fralle_> cat /sys/class/graphics/fb0/name
14:58<fralle_>inteldrmfb
14:58<Eddy>bja not able currently to have it
14:58<Eddy>can some1 support me with 5.05 testing ?
14:58<fralle_>yes
14:58<fralle_>yes locsmif
14:58<fralle_>:)
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14:58<fralle_>when i try to login i know that part is slow as hell sometimes
14:59<fralle_>almost like it takes forever for login to execute or something
14:59<locsmif>So then it's not X's display driver
14:59<locsmif>If it's the display driver at all
14:59<Eddy>ok i solved it :)
14:59<fralle_>true
14:59<Eddy>thanksfor nothing
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15:00<dondelelcaro>mha: well, whoever was debating doesn't know what they are talking about
15:00<fralle_>its a laptop
15:00<mha>dondelelcaro: lol
15:00<locsmif>The freeze, does it occur whenever you do something CPU intesive?
15:00<locsmif>intensive*
15:00<fralle_>it occurs at anytime
15:00<locsmif>Okay.
15:00<fralle_>even when its not cpu extensive
15:00<locsmif>ANd only in Linux
15:00<fralle_>havent tryed windows :)
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15:01<fralle_>do u think some power managment is shutting down something`maybe?
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15:02<locsmif>I'm kinda asking questions that relate to tech support work I once did, and might lead to answers, such as the BIOS freezing the machine because of overheating
15:02<locsmif>But that must not be it.
15:03<fralle_>yeah thnx
15:03<locsmif>It's always a process of elimination, so you'd have to narrow it down, if it's the kernel, eventually down to the version that introduced the bug
15:03<locsmif>But that's a tough job.
15:03<fralle_>ive tryed 2.6.38 aswell
15:03<fralle_>didnt help
15:03<fralle_>screen freezes
15:04<dondelelcaro>fralle_: hook up a serial console then, and see what happens. When you get freezes, does numlock stop toggling?
15:04<locsmif>You have no impression the system is overheating in any way though?
15:05<fralle_>acpi -V says no cpu cooling no lcd cooling
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15:05<fralle_>Cooling 1: LCD 0 of 9
15:05<fralle_>Cooling 2: Processor 0 of 10
15:05<fralle_>like that
15:06<fralle_>but for 4 cpus and 2 lcds
15:06<fralle_>you mean maybe that should be enabled?
15:07<fralle_>not much catching interrupts either
15:08<locsmif>I'd trust dondelelcaro's judgment over mine, but I guess exploring the issue can't hurt
15:08<fralle_>keyboard + ethernet (tryied ifdown didnt help) + local timer interrupts
15:08<fralle_>i see that TLB shootdowns increase
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15:09<fralle_>but not that much and also not more when i produce the freeze
15:09<the_hydra>fralle_: I think NMI watchdog could also lend a help here...check if it is enabled in kernel
15:09<fralle_>dondelelcaro, have no other computer here :/
15:09<s_i_m>fralle, when it freezes is there any HDD activity?
15:10<fralle_>nope the_hydra not compiled in ther kernel
15:10<the_hydra>fralle_: alright
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15:10<fralle_>s_i_m, difficult to say but it freezes easily when i scroll in the browser
15:10<the_hydra>fralle_: so, have you tried the button combo?
15:11<fralle_>alt-print screen T?
15:11<s_i_m>fralle, I guess you have plenty of RAM still free and no swapping?
15:12<fralle_>dont even see the buttons hydro im i blind?
15:12<fralle_>yeah s_i_m
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15:12<fralle_>0 swapped
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15:12<locsmif>fralle_: does mbmon show anything for you?
15:12<locsmif>How about hddtemp?
15:12<locsmif>Just curious.
15:12<the_hydra>fralle_: print screen button, sure you have none?
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15:14<humbolt>Who can tell me, what is going on here with mdadm? http://pastie.org/1808343
15:14<fralle_> hddtemp /dev/sda
15:14<fralle_>/dev/sda: WDC WD5000BEVT-22A0RT0: 43°C
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15:14<fralle_>i dont see any the_hydra
15:15<fralle_>i have swedish keyboard? maybe cause of this?
15:15<fralle_>yeah i see it now
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15:15<humbolt>this is really a mystery to me, all 4 raid members are online, even mdadm tells me so, but on the other hand it says, that only two members are available for the raid array, and I have to start degraded.
15:16<fralle_>nothing happens when i push it though
15:16<the_hydra>fralle_: press Alt and Print screen altogether....and, if you can, press T while holding them
15:17<fralle_>nothing happens the_hydra?
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15:17<fralle_>what is supposed to happen
15:17<fralle_>?
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15:28<mha>how to install a tra.bz2 file?
15:28<mha>tar.bz2
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15:30<towo`>unoack it, read the readme
15:30<towo`>s/o/p
15:30<th>how to install is depending on the content
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15:30<streuner_>mha: isnt that source not in Debian?
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15:31<mha>just downloaded it, but not sure how to in Debian, no it is not in Debian
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15:31<webad_13>does anyone know how to tell wget to download using IP alias address?
15:32<towo`>wgat?
15:32<towo`>what?
15:32<webad_13>wget - command line downloading tool on debian (linux in general)
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15:33<MrFrood>like curl but not as good :-|
15:33<sylecn>mha: in case you are new to tar, the command to unpack is tar -xjf <foo.tar.bz2>
15:33<mesutcan>hi, i'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade to my system but it removes whole gnome. Is this normal ?
15:34<sylecn>what is IP alias address?
15:34<MrFrood>mesutcan: did you update apt/aptitude before doing the upgrade?
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15:35<webad_13>sylecn, IP alias is another IP address associated to your NIC, that is eth0:0, eth0:1 ...
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15:35<danie>hello all
15:35<danie>pls help
15:35<mesutcan>MrFrood: yes
15:35<danie>is it possible to repair parition after mistake with mke2fs command
15:35<mesutcan>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
15:36<th>perhaps you want to make wget use one of your ip address as the source address
15:36<danie>i wrote wrong parition
15:36<danie>:(
15:36<MrFrood>mesutcan: are you using apt or aptitude
15:36<mha>sylecn: isn't there any single method to install from tar?
15:36<mesutcan>apt
15:36<webad_13>th, ideally I would like to specify which interface (address) to use for specific download
15:36<mesutcan>unstable
15:36<mesutcan>also
15:37<MrFrood>try aptiude - it can be better at resolving conflicts
15:37<sylecn>mha: no. tar is just a bunch of files, not a installer or package format.
15:37<mesutcan>ok, trying
15:37<webad_13>on my network I need to allocate downloads to different addresses since there is a limit on a single address of 1 megabit
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15:38<th>webad_13, so far the only way i can think of is to set the routing table
15:38<webad_13>like have an entry in routing table for each download?
15:39<th>yeah... sounds like a lot hassle, right?
15:39<webad_13>yeah... I was hoping for something more "elegant"
15:39*th too
15:40<lee-0>have an interface for each address and do some load balancing?
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15:40<th>the other way i can think of is having a proxy server on the other side of each interface and make wget use the corresponding proxy server
15:41<lee-0>how many addresses do you have, btw?
15:42<mesutcan>http://paste.debian.net/114397
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15:42<webad_13>well, for each download link it would be
15:42<mesutcan>still wants to remove
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15:42<webad_13>but, first one question - I am able to assign different mac addr to each alias right?
15:42<webad_13>with hw
15:43<lee-0>webad_13: ??
15:44<lee-0>webad_13: Are you trying to circumvent a speed limit or a quantity limit?
15:44<webad_13>lee-0, for instance ifconfig eth0 hw class address MAC address
15:44<webad_13>speed limit
15:44<webad_13>but it might be determined by MAC
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15:45<lee-0>webad_13: And how many addresses do you have?
15:45<kuki>ciao
15:45<th>webad_13, it's still a single hardware so just one MAC addr
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15:45<webad_13>th, so no mac clone for each alias
15:46<webad_13>lee-0, no limit really - but if I could make it work with 3-4 it would be good
15:46<th>yes, all of them still have the same mac address
15:46<th>what about changing the mac addr periodically?
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15:46<lee-0>webad_13: I would expect each interface to have its own MAC. How else would DHCP work with such interfaces?
15:46<webad_13>it might work - initiate the download and change it
15:46<mesutcan>MrFrood: aptitude output - http://paste.debian.net/114397
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15:46<MrFrood>mesutcan: did you tab through all the various conflict resolutions?
15:47<webad_13>lee-0, I am not sure u can use dhcp with aliases
15:47<webad_13>I thought it could only be static
15:47<lee-0>webad_13: You´ll probably have to try it out, since we don´t know how the speed limit is implemented and what kind of connection you have.
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15:48<webad_13>lee-0, absolutely - I just wanted to make sure that I have some basic knowledge before
15:48<mesutcan>MrFrood: i dont understand ?
15:49<th>actually webad_13 only has 1 NIC but he can assign multiple ip addr statically
15:49<th>eth0:0 eth0:1
15:49<lee-0>I´d give the NIC a second IP and look into load balancing.
15:49<th>right?
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15:49<webad_13>th, that's correct
15:49<lee-0>th: Yes --- though I don´t know how this deals with MACs.
15:50<th>they still share the same MAC
15:50<jhutchins>Um, you can't really achieve any kind of load balancing if it's on the same hardware.
15:50<lee-0>My guess would be that eth0:1 would have its own MAC created.
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15:51<th>http://www.xenocafe.com/tutorials/linux/redhat/bind_multiple_ip_addresses_to_single_nic/index.php <-- same MAC
15:51<lee-0>jhutchins: Hm, if load balancing doesn´t work that way, what could he do? Creating an entry in the routing table for each download he might start doesn´t seem to be very feasible.
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15:52<MrFrood>mesutcan: $ aptitude why-not python2.5-gobject
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15:53<MrFrood>mesutcan: aptitude will normally provide a number of resolution options
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15:53<lee-0>th: How´s that supposed to work with DHCP?
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15:54<MrFrood>mesutcan: what are you upgrading from/to
15:54<webad_13>th, spot on - I tried mac clone for alias and in fact it is changed for the interface
15:54<th>lee-0, i don't know how to use DHCP in that situation
15:54<mesutcan>MrFrood: general package upgrade
15:55<abcd82>is it ok to edit /var/lib/dpkg/available file directly? it contains old custom packages, which already been purged, but after recent dpkg update i'm getting warning messages that package "version number does not start with digit", or are there some tool which is capable removing these old entries?
15:55<th>webad_13, i think lee-0's idea using load balancer method is the best way to go
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15:55<th>since it should alternate between available gateways
15:55<MrFrood>mesutcan: which version of debian
15:55<mesutcan>unstable
15:55<mesutcan>i've installed 6.0.1 iso
15:55<MrFrood>!unstable
15:55<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
15:56<jhutchins_lt>mesutcan: 6 has been stable since February.
15:56<mesutcan>i've installed from 6.0.1 iso but upgraded to unstable
15:56<webad_13>will it work for aliases - will it alternate aliases?
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15:56<th>even though it is not "load balancing" as it is intended since it's still just 1 single NIC but it should be able to help in circumventing the limitation if it's based on the ip address
15:56<jhutchins_lt>mesutcan: Ah, well, you get to keep both pieces then.
15:56<th>webad_13, should work on alias
15:57<th>i think it's on IP level
15:57<th>medium access layer?
15:57*th fails network layering
15:58<mesutcan>what should i do to fix these issues ?
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15:58<th>no, it's the network layer
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15:59<MrFrood>mesutcan: wait and hope
16:00<webad_13>th, login is required - but after login session lasts for 4 hours
16:00<webad_13>I think it must be based both on IP and mac
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16:00<MrFrood>murisfurder: unstable breaks a lot - get used to it or move back to stable
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16:01<th>i see
16:01<lee-0>webad_13: You should be able to set the MAC with "ifconfig hw ...". It would be interesting to know if that works for the aliases or only for the actual card.
16:01<webad_13>I tried
16:01<webad_13>it changes for everything
16:02<webad_13>u cant differentiate
16:02<webad_13>it is the same interface so I guess u can have parallel colones
16:03<webad_13>btw, I would love that this was possible
16:03<th>me too
16:03<webad_13>:)
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16:03<dondelelcaro>webad_13: there are some cards which allow multiple mac addresses
16:03<dondelelcaro>but that's kind of unusual
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16:03<th>already 3AM here, got to go to bed now
16:03<dondelelcaro>normally you just throw the card into promiscuous mode
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16:04<mesutcan>MrFrood: oh, OK. thanks.
16:04<webad_13>dondelelcaro, u mean like firmware allows for multiple macs to be recognized
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16:05<dondelelcaro>webad_13: something like ip link set dev eth0 vf 0 hw mac ::::
16:05<dondelelcaro>webad_13: may work
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16:07<webad_13>dondelelcaro, that is interesting - would eth0 be my current device or a virtual one
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16:08<webad_13>so do I need to make it different from my current one, say I have eth0, should I make that set dev eth1
16:08<dondelelcaro>webad_13: it would be the physical device. However, this only works on Intel cards with VT-d support, apparently.
16:08<webad_13>ah
16:08<webad_13>I have intel 100 pro but I don't think it will be supported
16:08<dondelelcaro>normally you wouldn't care, though... is there some reason why you need multiple mac addresses?
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16:09<webad_13>yeah - currently there is a system in place that limits the bandwidth in my dorm (this is while we are waiting for fiber cable to be set in place)
16:10<dondelelcaro>so... change your mac address
16:10<dondelelcaro>or get your IT people to reset the bandwidth cap
16:10<webad_13>I was thinking to initiate download and then change the mac and initiate a new one
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16:13<lee-0>webad_13: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
16:13<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to get my system to provide a "print to fax" system that will allow me to choose which modem to send through?
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16:13<SynrG>or respect the limit because to do otherwise is antisocial? :)
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16:13<webad_13>th, my gataway is 192.168.11.1 ... would the following be correct routing setup: destination: my alias, gateway: 192.168.11.1, destination: download link gateway: my alias
16:13<EmleyMoor>(the faxing is done with hylafax, if that helps)
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16:15<lee-0>webad_13: Do you know for sure that the speed governor goes by MAC addresses?
16:16<lee-0>webad_13: If not, I wouldn´t worry about that and follow the instructions on http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html and see what happens.
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16:18<webad_13>lee-0, thanx for the instructions, seems quite more convenient than adding an entry for each donwload
16:18<webad_13>this way, if I understood correctly I just need to switch
16:18<webad_13>the default one
16:20<lee-0>Well, I wonder what exactly they mean by "$P1_NET" and "$P2_NET".
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16:21<lee-0>Those would be the same in your case ...
16:22<webad_13>yeah, I think so
16:24<webad_13>well right now I am trying to set up a simple routing table entry to test the network
16:25<lee-0>When you look at the manpage of ip: What is an "LLADDRESS"?
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16:27<lee-0>webad_13: You might be able to create virtual interfaces with an "ip link ..." command and assign those interfaces MAC (and IP) addresses at will.
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16:29<webad_13>dondelelcaro told me that the NIC must support it
16:30<lee-0>there´s a way to find out :)
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16:30<webad_13>:), ok I'll try it out :)
16:30<lee-0>good luck :)
16:31<webad_13>thanx for all the help guys
16:32<lee-0>yw
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17:26<zero_>hi i'm using xfce4 i want to know what utility can i use for wireless config
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17:28<babilen>zero_: wicd or network-manager come to mind
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17:29<zero_>tnx i'll try
17:29<grummund>Hi all, what command line utilities would be recommended to look at for file encryption?
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17:30<jhutchins_lt>grummund: GPG
17:31<babilen>zero_: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
17:31<grummund>something that can be scripted... from a search i note there is bcrypt, ccrypt, and i saw that openssl can be used too
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17:33<grummund>jhutchins_lt: yes i did immediately think of GPG
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17:41<andres>Anybody tried/started backporting a recent gcc to squeeze?
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17:46<jhutchins_lt>andres: I didn't know compilers were seasonal.
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17:47<andres>jhutchins_lt: uhm. Not sure what exactly you mean?
17:48<andres>Why I want 4.5 or 4.6?
17:48<jhutchins_lt>Seems to work just fine.
17:49<andres>Well, the c++0x support in 4.5 (and unsurprisingly even more so in 4.6) is quite a bit better than in 4.4
17:49<streuner_>a d
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17:49<streuner_>andres: most devels just use sid...
17:50<andres>I do so locally as well
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17:50<streuner_>andres: so its pretty unlikely that somebody backport gcc
17:50<streuner_>hm
17:50<andres>But I would like to have a build compiled on squeeze for QA
17:51<babilen>andres: compile it then?
17:51<babilen>!tell andres -about ssb
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17:51<babilen>andres: Or just install it locally ; /msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage
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17:51<zero_>hi i have debian 6.0.1 PPC netinstall and i installed xfce and wicd but it does not detect any wireless lan
17:52<zero_>when i was installing debian it automatically got connected to my wifi
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17:53<andres>Yes, sure. I started backporting it already. It just not something thats done in 5min and without any complications (about 5 build-deps are not available in squeeze)...
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17:54<streuner_>zero_: How?
17:55<streuner_>zero_: via network-manager?
17:55<zero_>via wicd
17:55<tirc433>i'm running a custom logrotate config file. in testing, it's also running on several log files not included in the conf file that i created, mostly from the var/log folder. is this normal? is there a way to tell it not to do that?
17:55<zero_>it detects wired conection but not wireless
17:55<streuner_>zero_: nah, i mean when you installing Debian
17:56<streuner_>hm
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17:56<streuner_>zero_: is the NIC supported at all?
17:56<geraud>yes
17:56<geraud>hi
17:56<zero_>during netinstall it asked for network, i selectd wlan and got conected instantly
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17:57<streuner_>zero_: well, just read what babilien told you then
17:57<streuner_>zero_: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
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17:59<streuner_>zero_: basically make sure all other daemons are disabled when you try something else
18:00<streuner_>(if you using interfaces/wicd just disable network-manager
18:00<streuner_>)
18:00<babilen>streuner_: more or less just wireless-tools (iwconfig) -- equivalent to the /etc/network/interfaces method
18:00<streuner_>hm
18:02<streuner_>zero_: you heard what babilien told us, there should be a line in /etc/network/interfaces then, what happens if you run "ifup all"?
18:02<tirc433>i'm running a custom logrotate config file. in testing, it's also running on several log files not included in the conf file that i created, mostly from the var/log folder. is this normal? is there a way to tell it not to do that?
18:03<streuner_>zero_: or ifup wlan0 or such
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18:30<tharkun>Gentlemen how do i spot a winmodem on a server?
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18:31<abrotman>tharkun: why would you care?
18:31<abrotman>tharkun: and it's almost definitely a winmodem
18:32<tharkun>abrotman: Because it is the next task at hand and i am comissioned to make them work? Is that a good reason for it?
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18:38<abrotman>tharkun: make what work? the modem?
18:38<tharkun>abrotman: you are asking for some heavy irony
18:39<abrotman>get it .. "heavy iron-y" HAHAHA
18:39*abrotman ducks
18:39<abrotman>tharkun: what are you trying to do with the modem in a server? quick answer!
18:39<tharkun>recieve faxes
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18:41<abrotman>tharkun: using hylafax?
18:41<tharkun>mgetty+fax was the first option
18:42<tharkun>but i haven't decided on which one will be the one to keep
18:42<abrotman>hylafax is a pain to setup, but works pretty well
18:43<abrotman>the docs are .. lackiing
18:43<abrotman>tharkun: anyway .. it's very likely a winmodem .. your choices are to pay $100 for a real one, or mess with the winmodem
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18:43<abrotman>tharkun: are you sure it's even a winmodem? and not another kind of communication port?
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18:47<tharkun>abrotman: I only got to take a look at it from the outside. It is a pci card for what i could see. I get to dirty my hands somewhere between tomorrow and next week depending on the windows girl
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18:47<abrotman>tharkun: so no PCIID list?
18:47<tharkun>not yet
18:47<abrotman>tharkun: pci card doesn't mean much
18:47<tharkun>i know
18:47<abrotman>and if it's the outside, could even be an AMR card
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18:59<tharkun>abrotman: I'll see what i have is pciid available somewhere on the internet. Google references me back to #debian's logs
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19:06<josephseraos>Hey, after I have installed COMPIZ, is there a sound warning an error. This sound is a boring beep. Do you know how can I fix it? Thanks?
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19:09<TCW>josephseraos, whan happens this "beep"?
19:09<TCW>when even
19:11<babilen>./quit
19:11<josephseraos>TCW: Example is when I'm typing in this box. Ok? So, if I erase all words and all letters with BACKSPACE, if doesn't have any type more, it throws a beep. But it's not a cool sound, it's a boring sound.
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19:12<tirc433>when installing squeeze + LAMP, do i have to install some package to get perl to work? i'm trying to get a perl script to run, but it instead shows the code in the browser
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19:14<josephseraos>TCW: I think what is causing this sound is compiz, because it sounds after I've installed it
19:14<jaimesilva>Hello, I got a question: Which versión of Xorg does wheezy runs? I'm filing a bug on freedesktop.org and it has the options XOrg CVS and XOrg 6.7.0 however xorg's package is 1:7.6+6. Which option should I choose?
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19:15<abrotman>tharkun: hehe
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19:24<jaimesilva>No one? Which option should I choose on bugs.freedesktop.org XOrg CVS or XOrg 6.7.0 ?
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19:24<sney>jaimesilva: not sure, but check the versions on other packages within xorg maybe
19:25<sney>or packages.debian.org may show the upstream versions
19:28<TCW>jaimesilva, I'd just report a bug to the debian bts and not upstream. One should only do otherwise if he does exactly what he does.
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19:29<TCW>+know
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19:33<jaimesilva>TCW: I was requested to report it upstream
19:33<TCW>jaimesilva, from whom?
19:34<jaimesilva>TCW: co http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620480#15
19:35<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: it's already been filed upstream
19:36<jaimesilva>yes, I did it a while ago, I just want to update those values to be right
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19:36<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: oh... then you go bts forwarded 620480 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36372; or similar, but I just did that for you
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19:37<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: if you mean which version to pick up fdo's site, I'd just leave it like it is
19:37<TCW>jaimesilva, I'd say "lazy maintainer" then... there may be other more kindly words for this, but right now I don't seem to be in the "right" mood for those :)
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19:38<dondelelcaro>TCW: it's actually not that unusual for packages in Debian which have large numbers of users and bugs
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19:39<jaimesilva>TCW: It was no prob anyway, I'm glad I can help
19:39<jaimesilva>dondelelcaro: how is that bts stuff?
19:39<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: it's just a method of controlling debian's bts from the commandline
19:40<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: in this case, that command marks the bug as having been forwarded upstream
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19:41<TCW>dondelelcaro, that may be true... but a "user" is sometimes just overstrained with that. And of course, the maintainer should have the best insights on the package... so I tend to disagree with that common practice.
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19:44<jaimesilva>dondelelcaro: in which package is that tool, all I have here is reportbug AFAIK
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19:45<dondelelcaro>TCW: it's certainly not optimal, but we don't have enough maintainers to do better.
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19:45<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: it's in devscripts
19:46<TCW>dondelelcaro, that is indeed a fair point :)
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19:50<mexico100>hola
19:50<mexico100>alguien
19:50<retrospectacus>hello
19:50<retrospectacus>English only here
19:51<mexico100>speak here spanish
19:51<retrospectacus>no
19:51<retrospectacus>!es
19:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:14<aussa>hi, I just installed Debian with xfce4 and I can't connect to wireless networks..
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20:18<tjader>aussa: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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20:20<aussa>any recommended app for configuring the laptop touchpad?
20:22<tjader>gsynaptics, probably
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20:25<SynrG>if you use GNOME, yeah. otherwise ... you could just use 'synclient'
20:26<tjader>He mentioned he uses xfce, I guess gsynaptics would fit well there
20:26<SynrG>or create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad
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20:27<SynrG>i have my doubts. i think gsynaptics relies on GNOMEish things to restore the saved settings when your session starts.
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20:28<SynrG>btw, it's gpointing-device-settings now
20:28<tjader>Also, it seems to have been replaced by GPointingDeviceSettings
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20:28<tjader>I haven't used it in a while, but I was under the impression it was strictly gnome dependent, but I could be wrong
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20:30<aussa>ok, I'll follow the instructions in that link, I think I have an Elantech touchpad....
20:31<SynrG>should be fine. oh, and ignore the instructions earlier than squeeze
20:31<SynrG>that page needs some cleanup. i've been meaning to get to it :p
20:31<SynrG>the whole thing could have about 3/4 of the material removed
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20:43<^MaD^|2>ejabberd u openfire???
20:44<^MaD^|2>ejabberd or openfire???
20:44<^MaD^|2>or other better than these
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20:45<cthuluh>man 1 write
20:46<^MaD^>hi
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20:48<abrotman>they have different feature sets? try them both and decide
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20:51<abrotman>^MaD^: if you just need a light jabber server, prosody might be an option also
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20:52<^MaD^>thanks so much abrotman, right now i'm installing ejabberd, but ill do
20:52<^MaD^>thankx
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20:53*abrotman got everything he wanted so far from prosody, except it doesn't have a method to block file transfers, which apparently is a bit tricky
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21:00<aussa>how do I now my wlan0 is actually "up"
21:00<aussa>how do I know my wlan0 is actually "up"
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21:03<aussa>I think I followed all steps in wireless network installation and config, but it isn't working yet
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21:08<vook>aussa: ifconfig wlan0 - if it's up, you will see information.
21:10<TCW>just ifconfig, if it is "up" it will be listed in the interface listing
21:10<vook>many ways to beat a dead horse...
21:10<TCW>vook, imho ifconfig dev does show the same regardless if the if is up or not
21:10<aussa>ok, I already did that, I was checking I did it right
21:11<aussa>how do I know that command worked?
21:11<TCW>aussa, what is your actual wlan problem?
21:11<TCW>what command?
21:11<vook>TCW: maybe I'm in dragonflybsd mode
21:11<aussa>it isn't working hahahaa...
21:11<aussa>I typed this: ifconfig wlan0 up
21:11<TCW>aussa, that is a very unhelpful description...
21:12<aussa>ok, I did all this:
21:12<aussa>modprobe ath9k (my card is an atheros)
21:12<aussa>iwconfig
21:12<aussa>ifconfig wlan0 up
21:12<aussa>with no problems...
21:13<TCW>aussa, did show iwconfig wlan0?
21:13<vook>iwconfig wlan0 essid 'ESSID' channel CHN#
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21:13<TCW>err... did iwconfig show wlan0
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21:13<aussa>yes
21:14<TCW>aussa, so... what else did you do to get associated to an accespoint?
21:14<aussa>after that I did:
21:14<aussa>installed wicd
21:15<aussa>checked /etc/network/interfaces
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21:15<aussa>to contain: auto lo, iface lo inet loopback
21:15<vook>aussa: is eth0 up also ?
21:16<aussa>yes... :S
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21:16<TCW>brb
21:16<aussa>but wireless networks should be found.. am I wrong?
21:17<vook>aussa: you can try 'iwlist scanning' if nothing shows up, you may need to load firmware
21:18<aussa>ok, I'll try that, n I'll come back in a few minutes, yt
21:18<aussa>ty
21:18<TCW>if firmware is needed wlan0 should not be there at all
21:18<vook>not true
21:18<TCW>imho / iirc :)
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21:18<vook>it's not a matter of opinion -
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21:19<TCW>vook, last time I checked it was that way... at least I think so :)
21:19<vook>:)
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21:21<vook>TCW: it may vary by chipset. On several occasions though, and on different platforms, I've seen the interface present but unable to scan or be useful :)
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21:22<sney>ath5k/9k don't need firmware and are fully supported by mac80211 so you do get stuff like iwlist scanning support
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21:44<kurumin>who ar ther?
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21:49<abrotman>eh .. i thought they were banned?
21:50<sney>?
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21:52<abrotman>kurumin nicks
21:52<sney>mustve expired.
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22:00<al5>Kun dpkg, kio estas la komando por montri la paketo kiu posedas dosieron?
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22:02<sney>well it's definitely a romance language
22:02<sney>oh, esperanto
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22:03<sney>!esperanto
22:03<dpkg>from memory, esperanto is a common language, spoken by people all over the place... and it's the only spoken language that one guy sat down and made up. or "fortune -m 'USEFUL PHRASES IN ESPERANTO'"
22:03<Phoul>Esperanto is an interesting languagew
22:03<Phoul>language even
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22:09<al5>Kio estas la komando por montri ke paketon posedas dosieron?
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23:12<aussa>vook: ok, so I did iwlist scanning and in wlan0 appeared a lot of things
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23:17<aussa>can't connect to wireless networks, and don't know what the problem is... I followed all steps listed in this link: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse, help me please :D
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23:20<The_Pugilist>does anyone know a good guide for modifying the order in which my services start? i am running a box without a keyboard or monitor and my apache (which is running SSL) starts before my ssh server, thus preventing me from logging in remotely without first entering the paraphrase for apache
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23:33<jerryclunsford> is there a program to allow you to control the mouse with a joystick for debian similar to joy2mouse?
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23:35<Levenson>The_Pugilist: It runs in alphabetic order. Relative value of the number after the first character determines the relative order it will be run in..
23:35<The_Pugilist>hm
23:35<Levenson>The_Pugilist: ask google about it
23:35<The_Pugilist>yeah i was able to work around it by disabling apache from starting with the computer
23:35<The_Pugilist>and then starting it manually from ssh
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23:38<The_Pugilist>and btw Levenson, being the noob that i am its hard to determine even what to ask google what i am looking for :P
23:39<Levenson>The_Pugilist: linux rc scripts order
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23:40<The_Pugilist>ty Levenson :)
23:42<th_>jerryclunsford, i have just searched through apt. can't find a package to provide the functionality you want but i find package joy2key (translates joystick event to keyboard input) and keynav (move mouse with keyboard keys), you MAY be able to combine these packages to achieve it.
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23:43<al5>Saluton?
23:43<k-man_>how do i make this sed -i 's/sirius/test/g' freetds.pl output to stdout rather than modify freetds.pl?
23:43<catsup>don't use -i
23:43<aussa>how do I create this file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
23:45<al5>k-man_: ne uzu -i, vian komandon estos sed -e 's/sirius/test/g' freetds.pl
23:45<k-man_>catsup, gah! thanks...
23:45<al5>Kio estas la komando por montri ke paketon posedas dosieron?
23:45<jerryclunsford>th thanks
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23:48<al5>What is the command for show who packet own file?
23:49<catsup>jerryclunsford: http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/joystick.4.html
23:49<al5>for instance: Coreutils own /bin/ls
23:49<catsup>jerryclunsford: package: xserver-xorg-input-joystick - X.Org X server -- joystick input driver
23:50<aussa>how do I create this file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
23:50<catsup>al5: dpkg -S (or dlocate -S if you have dlocate installed)
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23:52<th_>jerryclunsford, i think what catsup has said is the right way to go. i don't know that an joystick input driver for X.org exist
23:52<al5>catsup: dankon al vi
23:53<jerryclunsford>th_ I'll look into it
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23:54<th_>aussa, this web page http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg may help you in creating xorg.conf
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23:57<catsup>aussa: you can run 'Xorg -configure' as root
23:57<aussa>catsup: Fatal server error:
23:57<catsup>aussa: that will create a xorg.conf that is the equivalent of having no xorg.conf. then you can edit it.
23:58<aussa>catsup: Fatal server error: mmm... I think it din not create it
23:58<aussa>did*
23:59<th_>perhaps you run it as a normal user?
23:59<catsup>yeah i guess it failed first
23:59<aussa>no I didn't
23:59<catsup>show the error
23:59<aussa>Fatal server error:
23:59<aussa>Server is already active for display 0
23:59<aussa> If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
23:59<aussa> and start again.
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