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01:18<sako>hey guys i want to setup a not too mission critical production server, i am debating if i should run debian testing or ubuntu 10.10
01:19<sako>would testing give me fairly new packages?
01:19<sako>i feel even debian testing would be more stable than ubuntu stable :P
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01:29<chealer>sako: relatively. see if you want to check for yourself or DistroWatch for an overview
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01:31<catsup>sako: this is probably the least stable time to use debian testing
01:31<catsup>however, if you are willing to fix what breaks...
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01:35<sako>catsup what do you run?
01:36<sako>testing? stable?
01:36<catsup>lots of shit
01:36<catsup>the machine running irssi is stable
01:36<catsup>the one i'm connecting to that shell with is oldstable
01:37<catsup>i do development on an unstable box that was originally installed from grml so maybe it's not even debian
01:38<catsup>all *servers* i administer are debian stable
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01:45<kop>!tell sako about overview
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01:56<atem>hi, what is the dif between ubuntu and deb?
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01:59<jason_>I'm prob the hundredth person to ask but whats the fix for uninstallable gnome-core in sid?
02:00<jm_>jason_: patience
02:00<jason_>jm_: any idea how much patience
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02:03<jm_>jason_: no, apparently there's some python transition or somesuch
02:05<jm_>check it here
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02:17<demersus>I need help with compiling ruby. I keep getting this: ‘SSLv2_method’ undeclared here (not in a function)
02:17<soloflyer>demersus: how are you compining it?
02:17<demersus>I have tried both directly, and with rvm
02:18<demersus>It seems to have happened after some updates.
02:18<demersus>Maybe something to do with libssl 1.0
02:19<jm_>that's in libssl-dev
02:19<soloflyer>apt-get source ruby;apt-get build-dep ruby; dpkg-buildpackage ?
02:19<demersus>I am trying to install ruby 1.9.2 for use with rvm
02:19<demersus>Apt seems to want me to use version 1.8 as default
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02:21<soloflyer>demersus: thats because thats whats in the debian repos...
02:21<demersus>I know, but I would like to use 1.9.2, and I have compiled it before. For some reason I keep getting the SSLv2 error now.
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02:22<soloflyer>demersus: have you tried getting the build-deps for ruby1.9 through apt?
02:22<demersus>I am using Linux Mint Debian Edition if this helps
02:22<oddtod>flame on!
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02:23<jm_>!tell demersus -about mint
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02:24<demersus>Well, I have tried to install ruby1.9 through apt. It installs, but it does not set ruby up correctly in my system PATH
02:24<oddtod>!ask mint
02:24<oddtod>!tell oddtod -about mint
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02:25<demersus>Im on Mint's channel too. I thought it might be a debian issue because I am using the debian edition of mint.
02:25<Coburn64>Testing IRC from my VirtualBox'd install of Debian!
02:25<Coburn64>Can everyone hear me okay?
02:25<soloflyer>Coburn64: i cant hear you... but i can see what your typing...
02:26<Coburn64>That was the joke :P
02:26<Coburn64>Anyway, thanks for confirming.
02:26<soloflyer>Coburn64: have you installed the irc sound extensions correctly?
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02:27<Coburn64>Well, I'm using Xchat. I'm not using voice chat, if that's what you mean.
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02:27<Coburn64>I'm just setting up a VM install of Debian, then going to butcher it over to a MicroSD card to run on my tablet PC
02:27<soloflyer>you have to tell the irc server than you want to enable sound when you connect :)
02:28<Coburn64>Ah, righto
02:28<Coburn64>Thanks for the tip
02:28<Coburn64>That reminds me
02:28<Coburn64>Suggestions for lightweight music apps?
02:28<jm_>your tablet PC runs the same architecture?
02:28<soloflyer>Coburn64: mplayer
02:28<Coburn64>Got GNOME Mplayer for playing my anime, heh
02:28<Coburn64>My tablet is a Motion M1400
02:29<Coburn64>Got it off eBay for less than 100 AUD
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02:29<Coburn64>However, the BIOS is quirky
02:29<Coburn64>As in, if I have a HDD installed in it
02:29<Coburn64>The HDD lights flash as it spins up
02:29<jm_>ahh celeron so that would be a yes
02:29<Coburn64>but BIOS says "None Installed"
02:30<Coburn64>It's the Pentium M variant of the M1400
02:30<Coburn64>600Mhz Idle -> 1.2Ghz Full blast
02:30<jm_>maybe it doesn't provide enough power for the drive to spin up
02:30<Coburn64>It does spin up
02:31<Coburn64>But yeah. Either that or the IDE Port is toast
02:31<Coburn64>but hey, I got USB Boot Support
02:31<Coburn64>Debian off a USB is FAST on that tablet
02:32<Coburn64>Is there a GTK version of Audacious?
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02:32<Coburn64>The one that doesn't look like a XMMS clone?
02:32<jm_>is there a non-gtk version of audacious?
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02:32<costas>hello all.....
02:33<Coburn64>Also, when was Debian Linux born?
02:33<Coburn64>As in, when was it first started?
02:34<Coburn64>Alright, thanks
02:34<Coburn64>Another question
02:34<Coburn64>Firefox 4 in Squeeze
02:34<Coburn64>I have my own set of scripts
02:34<Coburn64>that d/l the Mozilla build one
02:35<dpkg>[debian history] or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version.
02:35<jm_>bah sorry too late ;)
02:35<Coburn64>but, is there any offical builds of FFox 4 for Debian?
02:35<Coburn64>Iceweasel 4?
02:35<jm_>Coburn64: has iceweasel 4 for squeeze
02:36<Coburn64>Awesome. I'll go over and install that then
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02:36<Coburn64>brb, working apt-get magic
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02:55<Coburn64>Alright, Iceweasel 4 is downloading
02:55<Coburn64>Anyone use Opera on a tablet PC?
02:56<Coburn64>Before Firefox, I was a Opera fan
02:56<Coburn64>Or, to rephase my question, does anyone use Opera at all
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02:56<jm_>I use it sometimes, for crap I don't care about
02:57<Coburn64>The biggest problem for me is adblock
02:57<Coburn64>if a browser can't support blocking ads
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02:58<Coburn64>it's a pass for me
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02:58<jm_>I use privoxy for that so don't care about it
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02:58<Coburn64>I use ziproxy on my sheevaplug
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02:58<Coburn64>for dialup connections
03:00<jm_>you seem to be a fan of minimalistic devices ;)
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03:03<dEhiN>hi, how do I load modules during installation?
03:03<dEhiN>it seems that a particular module in /lib may not have loaded in the kernel
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03:05<Coburn64>You mean, load kernels into a kernel while inside the Debian Installer?
03:06<Coburn64>kernel modules, I mean
03:06<Coburn64>Or have you installed Debian, but need to load a module in the running kernel?
03:06<dEhiN>no, load kernel modules into a kernel while inside the Debian Installer
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03:08<Coburn64>Ok, so the kernel is the installer's kernel, or is it the one that has been installed?
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03:08<jm_>see if you can load them from tty2 and what the kernel says
03:08<dEhiN>the installer's kernel
03:08<dEhiN>jm_: how do I load them though?
03:08<Coburn64>Do a ALT+F2
03:08<Coburn64>and enter
03:08<costas>dEhiN, besides the optional module selection of the debian install, I don't think you can't... load them after install
03:09<Coburn64>modprobe <kernel>
03:09<jm_>dEhiN: modprobe
03:09<Coburn64>modprobe <module>
03:09<dpkg>Add module to kernel: "modprobe foo"; Remove module from kernel: "modprobe -r foo"; Define module options: "man modprobe.conf", "echo options foo bar=baz qux=quux >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf". See also: <modconf>, "man modprobe", "man modprobe.conf", /etc/modprobe.d/* , <blacklist>, <module-assistant>.
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03:09<Coburn64>for example: modprobe crashme (loads the crashme module, which by the title means that linux goes byebyes due to a crash)
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03:10<Coburn64>Of course, that's just an example
03:10<zy>Hi all, my screen is blank after resume in my squeeze box, but not for every resume. The lights of mouse and keyboard are on. What should I check ?
03:10<dEhiN>Coburn64: thanks
03:10<Coburn64>zy, what video card?
03:10<Coburn64>I know this is a common bug with ATI video cards
03:10<dEhiN>one more question: which dir are the modules usually stored in?
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03:11<Coburn64>dEhiN, /lib/modules/<kernel version>/
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03:11<zy>Coburn64: yes , it is a ATI card. But for most of the times there is no problem.
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03:12<Coburn64>zy, I see. The best bet is to install the AMD ATI driver. That solves all your problems with ATI drivers
03:12<Coburn64>(and not only that, you get 3D GPU power)
03:12<Coburn64>Let me get you a link
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03:13<Coburn64>Follow the Squeeze install guide
03:14<Coburn64>Worked for me.
03:14<Coburn64>BTW, what model is it?
03:14<zy>Coburn64: Is the screen not powered on or blanked when the problem happens ?
03:14<Coburn64>I have a HD4850
03:14<Coburn64>zy: The screen is on and says "Digital Input", but the card doesn't output anything
03:14<zy>I am not on the box, it is a dell, I am using fglrx driver.
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03:15<Coburn64>Ah, so you're using the fglrx driver...
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03:15<Coburn64>That is odd then
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03:16<Coburn64>If you're using the correct driver, the fglrx one, you should have no drama
03:16<Coburn64>It could be the monitor at fault, or a failing video card
03:17<Coburn64>However, if it's a new computer, I doubt it could be a bad video card
03:17<costas>!tell zy about ATI
03:17<zy>Coburn64: alt-sysrq-b will set the box boot with correct video
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03:19<zy>Coburn64: is there any method to tell is it a video card that is at fault?
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03:24<Frostburn>Okay, it's me Coburn64
03:24<Frostburn>I was feeling curious
03:24<Frostburn>pressed ALT+SysRQ+B
03:24<Frostburn>Expect "Coburn64" to ping timeout
03:24<jm_>that s what alt-sysrq-b does ....
03:25<zy>yes, this is a reboot from kernel
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03:25<Frostburn>No one told me that
03:25<jm_>should also use alt-sysrq-s first
03:25<Frostburn>I was like "Oh, what does this do"
03:25<Frostburn>what's that do?
03:25<Frostburn>Saves work?
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03:26<Coburn64>Reading up on it
03:26<costas>!beer dpkg
03:26*dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for dpkg
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03:27<zy>Coburn64: is there any method to tell whether it is the video card's fault ?
03:28<Coburn64>Well, if a video card is bad, usually if you're playing a game, you'll see things on the screen that don't seem right
03:28<Coburn64>like corruption, etc
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03:30<zy>I have not encountered this up to now, everything is good without suspend/resume
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03:30<Coburn64>Wow, Linux has freeze recovery
03:31<Coburn64>Is there anyway to enable penguins on boot of the kernel?
03:31<Coburn64>You know, in the good ol days
03:31<jww>I think this need to be setuped in the kernel isn't it ?
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03:32<jm_>yes, it's a kernel config option
03:32<Coburn64>I think it's something to do with framebuffer
03:33<Coburn64>Heh, replace those penguins with Debian swirts
03:36<jww>any idea how I can test this freeze recovery thing ?
03:36<Coburn64>it's only useful in a system lockup from filesystem
03:37<Coburn64>But, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to try it normally, just save your work and press the magic buttons
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03:42<tal>Hi all! I tryed to install grub manually after it couldn't be installed in debian installation, so I use Live CD of debian 6. now it ask me(after apt-get) where to install Debian, /dev/sda or /dev/sda4? I wanna doal boot BTW.
03:43<tal>*where to install grub-pc... sorry
03:43<Coburn64>/dev/sda sounds
03:43<Coburn64>install to the mbr
03:43<Coburn64>which is /dev/sda
03:43<tal>I know MBR is in there
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03:44<tal>But it won't destroy XP and 7, right?
03:44<tal>ok thank you!
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03:45<daemonkeeper>It will overwrite your MBR though, but grub is able to chain load Windows boot loaders. It might detect you have Windows installed.
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03:45<Coburn64>You may be temporary unable to boot XP and 7 after you do it though
03:45<jm_>tal: install os-prober and it will add windows 7 to grub.cfg
03:45<Coburn64>Yep, do what jm_ said
03:46<Coburn64>jm_, what about "update-grub" ?
03:46<Coburn64>also, Is it possible for linux to probe IDE channels to find out if HDDs are actually there instead of Linux looking at the BIOS and saying "No HDDs"?
03:46<jm_>Coburn64: update-grub will do this if os-prober is installed
03:46<jm_>Coburn64: Linux doesn't rely on BIOS for this
03:46<tal>BTW I use this guide:
03:47<Coburn64>tal: You should be fine. Worst case is that your computer catches fire.
03:47<Coburn64>And of course, Debian won't cause that.
03:47<daemonkeeper>Most likely.
03:47<tal>Don't worry, I know how to restore win 7 bootloader using it's CD
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03:48<Coburn64>The only problem with restoring the Win 7 bootloader is that I'll kill out GRUB
03:48<Coburn64>So, what I'd do is this:
03:48<tal>I tryed to install Debian like a 16 times from all the sources(netinst, buisness, DVD,cd)
03:48<tal>yes I know
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03:49<tal>I'll return here if I'll had troubles
03:49<Coburn64>Install Grub > Reboot into Debian > Run update-grub as root > reboot > Check Windows is there
03:49<costas>tal, a smart move is to disconnect your debian hard disks when windows fail to work and need repairing...
03:49<Coburn64>That too.
03:49<tal>I can do this olso while in Live CD
03:49<tal>I know I know
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03:49<costas>an even smarter move is to just format the drives that contain windows and use only Debian...
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03:50<Coburn64>+1 costas
03:50<Coburn64>!beer coastas
03:50*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for coastas
03:50<tal>I didn't touch the NTFS partitions, just formatted like 16 times the ext4 and SWAP, And damn you right, but I wanna play Crysis...
03:51<Coburn64>By the time you're finished, your PC will be the Crysis first achievement icon
03:51<Coburn64>"Can it run Crysis?"
03:51<Coburn64>Which is a PC on fire
03:51<Coburn64>It's all good though. Good luck, tal
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03:52<tal>thanks again, now runnig mkconfig and grub-install and grub-install re-check
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03:53*Coburn64 just lets the install loose on his HDD... if it protests to nuke Winblows, he zaps it with a prodder
03:53<Coburn64>Debian Installer, that is
03:53<Coburn64>99% of the time, Debian Installer will be the ticket
03:54<Coburn64>The only issue that I faced was btrfs grub support
03:54<Coburn64>I got so far up to that point
03:54<Coburn64>I was like "You can't stop me now"
03:54<tal>I know I tryed this, but it gives me error every time it try to install grub
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03:54<Coburn64>Ah. Here's a trick:
03:54<tal>I use the 6.0.1 stable amd64
03:54<Coburn64>When you're installing using btrfs
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03:55<Coburn64>make a 500MB /boot partition
03:55<tal>what is it?
03:55<Coburn64>format it as ext4
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03:55<Coburn64>and then the rest is btrfs for / (root)
03:55<tal>I have to when I'm in amd64?
03:56<Coburn64>Only if you're doing a fresh install again
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03:56<Coburn64>and wanting to use btrfs
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03:56<Coburn64>if you use ext4 or anything else, you're good
03:56<tal>ok thanks... I heard this soluton in google, but I'm not a great linuxer for now
03:56<Coburn64>That's what IRC is here for
03:56<Coburn64>Lurk, absorb the knowledge
03:57<Coburn64>Teach your friends how to use Debian
03:57<Coburn64>Spread it 'round
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03:58<tal>Yes, and I've herad it's good while having multi Linux distarbtion
03:58<tal>I don't have :)
03:58<Coburn64>Linux can throw you lemons
03:59<Coburn64>but there's most likely a fix for that
03:59<tal>BTW, can you guess why I install debian?
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03:59<Coburn64>Wanting a challenge?
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03:59<tal>true, but this is not the best eason
04:00<tal>Guess which distro I had before moving to debian
04:00<tal>1 guess only
04:01<tal>no no no
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04:01<tal>What debian hates the most???
04:02<tal>(at leat I think it does)
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04:03<Frostburn>Ah, sorry, I had a ping timeout again
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04:03<tal>The answer is Ubuntu... There some bad things in it.
04:04<Frostburn>No offense, but it's Ubloatu
04:04<Frostburn>Unity UI is just awful
04:05<Frostburn>I mean, if someone gave the Debian LiveCD/LiveDVDs some polish, you'd have a Ubuntu killer
04:05<Frostburn>(The stock LiveDVDs of debian are a little rough, but they are still quite handy to play with)
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04:06<tal>No no no... I used the Debian liveCD
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04:08<tal>The thing that was making me angry is that I can't upgrade some package untill the next distro is published
04:08<protz>so I've got a centrino N6200 wifi card on my dell 6410 that used to work just fine, now when I boot, wlan0 doesn't appear anymore in ifconfig, rfkill list says that there's no block on the device, and lshw -c network reads *-network DISABLED for my card... any thoughts?
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04:08<protz>I'm on testing, and I did upgrade some time ago
04:08<protz>although I'm at loss at to what may be causing this
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04:09<devil>protz: missing firmware?
04:09<protz>devil: firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version
04:09<protz>plus it worked fine before I upgraded
04:09<devil>protz: does the moduile get loaded?
04:10<protz>and I'm still running the same kernel version as before the update (that is, I'm still on 2.6.32)
04:10<devil>protz: lsmod will tell
04:10<protz>devil: yes module is loaded
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04:10<protz>devil: dmesg says it recognizes the card
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04:11<protz>the thing is it used to work just fine before, and I fail to see what may be causing this, after all I didn't switch to a newer kernel or something...
04:11<devil>so do i atm
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04:12<Frostburn>did it get renamed to eth1/2/3?
04:13<protz>Frostburn: no, I only have eth0 and lo
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04:13<protz>that really is puzzling
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04:13<Frostburn>okay, try
04:13<Frostburn>as root
04:13<Frostburn>ifup wlan0
04:13<jm_>protz: does modinfo show it has any debug options?
04:14<Frostburn>or ifconfig wlan0 ip
04:14<Frostburn>or ifconfig wlan0 up *
04:14<protz>Frostburn: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0
04:14<[David]>i need a bit of help please - i'm running squeeze 64 bit, via OVH CPanel, however it comes with a non standard kernel
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04:14<[David]>Im trying to install virtualbox but install doesn't like this kernel because i cannot find header for it
04:14<protz>jm_: a whole lot of them, anything you're looking for in particular ?
04:14<[David]>how can i change to a standard kernel
04:15<jm_>protz: well it's often called "debug"
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04:16<jm_>[David]: install it, it's a package
04:16<jm_>but will it work?
04:16<[David]>virtualbox you mean?
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04:16<[David]>i have installed it but it nags about kernel headers
04:16<[David]>cannot find kernel headers for running kernel
04:16<[David]>so want to install normal kernel
04:17<protz>jm_: no debug option as far as I can see
04:17<jm_>no, the kernel
04:17<jm_>protz: ok, some drivers need to be compiled in a different way to enable it, perhaps this is one of those
04:17<[David]>apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64?
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04:18<jm_>for example
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04:19<protz>I tried running 2.6.38 the other night, maybe it did something that 2.6.32 is unable to revert?
04:19<protz>I've heard of such switches where you have to reboot into windows just to enable to wifi
04:19<protz>problem, debian is the only os I have on that machine
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04:21<protz>devil: have you got the same laptop?
04:21<protz>on 2.6.38 rfkill list shows one more device called dell-wifi (in addition to phy0)
04:21<protz>that's weird
04:22<protz>dmesg says RF_KILL bit toggled to enable radio, and then keyboard: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240
04:22<protz>don't know if that's related
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04:23<[David]>@jm_ i've already installed that package, but how do i change to that kernel?
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04:24<devil>protz: nope, not even close
04:24<th>usually the boot loader is used to select which kernel you want to boot
04:25<jm_>[David]: check your bootloader config, see if it has been added and which is the default
04:25<[David]>i'm not famalier with manually editing boot loader
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04:25<[David]>as i obviously not inf ront of machine
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04:30<Frostburn>Anyone know any good lightweight file managers?
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04:34<jm_>[David]: !
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04:37<[David]>i don't know what boot loader im using? im not familiar with boot loader editing
04:37<[David]>i'm not physically sat in front of machine
04:37<[David]>so cannot select a different kernel
04:37<[David]>on startup
04:37<th>is it a vps?
04:37<[David]>no deddie
04:38<protz>I've downgraded the firmware to the previous version
04:38<protz>didn't help :-S
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04:38<th>hmmm, i'm not familiar with dedicated server hosting
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04:38<jm_>it's probably grub if you don't know about it
04:38<protz>though sudo iwlist lists wlan0
04:39<[David]>well i managed to put box in safe mode yesterday by changing kernel in lilo
04:39<[David]>i've apt-get installed grub
04:39<jm_>so it's lilo then?
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04:43<protz>devil: so the problem was with network-manager
04:43<protz>apparently there's something wrong with the newer version
04:43<protz>I ran a combination of ifconfig wlan0 up
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04:43<protz>and other stuff
04:43<protz>downgraded network-manager to the version from stable
04:43<devil>protz: good you found it. i never used nm
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04:44<protz>network-manager-gnome to the stable version as well
04:44<protz>now it works
04:44<protz>I was kinda confused
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05:40<[David]>i really need to change my kernel on my box to install virtualbox as my OVH supplier uses a custom kernel i cannot find headers for
05:40<[David]>can anyone help?
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05:42<jww>Hi [David] .
05:42<jww>so what do you want to do ? use virtualbox ?
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05:53<[David]>yes jww
05:53<[David]>but it won't build on my system
05:53<[David]>complains about kernel headers
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05:57<jww>[David]: umm, are you compiling the src package ? why ?
05:59<[David]>i'm not, i apt-get install virtualbox-4.0
05:59<[David]>it installs
05:59<[David]>i try to run
06:00<[David]>it doesn't run and tells me to sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
06:00<[David]>which nags about kernel headers and DKMS
06:00<jww>oh allright.
06:00<jww>can you pastebin the errors from vboxdrv ?
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06:03<Christopher>Not that it really matters, but after trying to install Debian on a Virtual Machine in Graphical mode, it hung at "Configure the network"
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06:03<Christopher>I said screw it and just did it the hard way but still...just let someone know
06:04<costas>Christopher, did you send a bug report?
06:04<[David]>~ jww
06:04<Christopher>naw I don't really know where that is
06:04<Christopher>kinda new to debian, just using it for a webserver
06:04<Christopher>someone reccomended it
06:05<Christopher>however you spell it
06:06<costas>!tell Christopher about bug
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06:06<jww> [David] what does return uname -a ?
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06:07<costas>[David], you need to check if your kernel headers are located where they should...
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06:08<costas>!tell [David] about compilr
06:08<costas>!tell [David] about compile
06:11<costas>Christopher, debian ownz... the other distros are just not good enough
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06:11<jww>costas: it's just plain to stupid to say that, also it should go to #debian-offtopic .
06:12<costas>yeah, sorry for the spam
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06:14<Christopher>What would I put in said "bug report" It hangs on install for a virtual machine in VMWare. That's all I really know
06:18<jww>Christopher: what about software version,and logs ?
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06:19<jm_>if the kernel hangs you should talk to vmware about it
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06:27<armani>i can't install squeeze on my keeps freezing at the partitioning disk...any one get this problem as well??
06:28<set>Now i know howto install the newest kadu on debian squeeze:) its in proposite repo ;)
06:29<costas>armani, did you format your hard drives?
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06:31<jm_>armani: is the kernel still alive when this happens?
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06:32<costas>!tell armani about partitioning
06:33<armani>the partition is 3 gig swap, the rest is ext4 with journaling, it's a 320gig hd on a msi netbook
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06:33<armani>i didn
06:33<armani>i didn't get past formating...i would try, guided installation, manual, deleting and reformatting...i've been at it for 2 weeks now trying to find the answer...
06:34<costas>armani, maybe your hard drive is failing...
06:35<armani>oh costas, that's not something i wanted to hear...because it was a new computer...
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06:39<this_is_me>on systems running X by default, is there an easier way that is as secure as rebooting into runlevel 1 -> installing updates -> rebooting ?
06:39<costas>armani, good to run, bye bye now
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06:39<lee-0>armani: You could boot into a rescue system, partition the disk and then boot the installer and use the partitions you set up.
06:40<armani>that is a good idea lee-0, i am going to try that and see what happens. fingers crossed! thanks in advance.
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06:41<lee-0>armani: let us know how it turns out :)
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06:42<jm_>this_is_me: you don't need to boot in single user mode - simply stop the DM
06:43<this_is_me>jm_: How do I stop the DM when it restarts itself automatically? (even when pressing Ctrl + Alt + Backspace)
06:44<jm_>this_is_me: /etc/init.d/foo stop
06:44<EmleyMoor>this_is_me: Which dm?
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06:54<wayner>hey, whats a save size for a /boot partition in the next 2 years ? 1gb or more ?
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06:56<rpetre>you plan on having 30+ kernels installed?
06:56<rpetre>100M would be more than enough
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06:57<babilen>wayner: 1gb is *much* more than you'll ever need. :)
06:57<wayner>i normally use 500M, but i seen at some other distros that larger /boot partitions are used
06:57<jm_>only 22 for me, but I don't use debian kernels
06:57<babilen>wayner: What do you have in there? My /boot is 20M right now ...
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06:58<rpetre>20M tends to get pretty crowded with 3 kernels or more
06:58<wayner>iam gonna do 500M and be on the save side for it i guess
06:58<babilen>rpetre: Yes, sure. 20M/150M are *used* :)
06:58<wayner>thanks for your help
06:58<rpetre>there are initramfs backups and stuff
06:58<rpetre>babilen: heh :)
06:59<babilen>should have made that more explicit.
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06:59<wayner>and i just do use the install as debian template for my future vms in the company so i wanted to make it sure before i started configuring them with all encrypted disks and stuff :)
07:00<wayner>they are running under xen and probably will never have more then 2-3 kernels installed at the same time
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07:00<jm_>in that case 500M is overkill
07:01<armani>hey lee-0, this is what i get: apparently, there is a buffer, i/o error on device /dev/sda1, the partition is trying to write beyond the end of the disk.
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07:03<wayner>ok 250mb, my last offer :D
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07:05<rpetre>wayner: it's ok, you won't miss the difference in your homedir
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07:34<jm_>weird, /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_virtualbox-ose.rules references "vboxusers" group which is removed in its preinst script
07:36<lee-0>armani: I would try to overwrite the partition table with dd and then try again to create partitions after a reboot. It´s possible that when partitioning a disk, the new partition table isn´t recognized by the kernel after writing it, so it´s not a bad idea to always reboot after changing the partitioning.
07:37<lee-0>armani: You might want to specify the -cu parameters when using fdisk.
07:41<armani>lee-0: i tried partitioning it by writing each disk separately, but it ends in a kernel panic and then freezes the computer...
07:42<lee-0>Do you have two disks?
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07:43<lee-0>And are they SATA disks? If so, did you enable AHCI in the BIOS?
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07:57<kevin>why xmms2 ERROR: Couldn't start playback: Could not start playback
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08:11<armani>just the one's a sata disk,...i did have ahci enabled...
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08:15<armani>lee-0, nevermind, i had a brain fart, just double checked and there's no ahci to enable on that netbook's bios...
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08:22<set>I done all from instructions from wiki.debian about install and chroot bind9 but still cant start bind in a chroot
08:24<set>i fink dont have simelinks /etc/bind -> /var/lib/named/etc/bind ...but i crated it
08:24<set>can you help me?
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08:27<set>I done this command from tutorial # mv /etc/bind /var/lib/named/etc
08:27<set># ln -s /var/lib/named/etc/bind /etc/bind
08:27<set>but still have a problem
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08:31<catsup>what tutorial
08:31<cthuluh> I guess
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08:32<cthuluh>set: paste your /etc/bind/named.conf and /etc/bind/named.conf.local
08:32<lee-0>armani: Perhaps it´s always enabled? Anyway, there might some false information about the size of the disk or a partition ...
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08:32<set>ok one moment
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08:32<catsup>you don't have the symlink?
08:33<catsup>what is the output of ls -ld /etc/bind
08:33<catsup>i hope you didn't paste the # into the shell
08:33<set>/etc/bind -> /var/lib/named/etc/bind
08:33<set>of course i didnt :)
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08:34<catsup>so you do have the symlink
08:34<set>yes but please a look of link from paste.debian... what I send on chanel
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08:35<catsup>pastebin /etc/bind/named.conf.local, it contains an error on line 9, a duplicate line?
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08:36<set> = /etc/bin/named.conf
08:36<armani>lee-0: i'm not sure if this is correct: but when i try to partition the drive, the swap and the primary both say they starts from (0,0,0)
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08:37<set>aaahhh i understand... o copied elier named.conf.local from old serwer with local.conf
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08:38<set>thx... I will copied the rest of conf files of bind from old serwer and then start bind
08:39<lee-0>armani: That should be ok if they are the same.
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08:41<set>ok but old server still runnig on network as default dns ... sow hawto can check theh my new serwer working correcly on company settings when old dns still working? dont want to crach something of correcly working network and old dns
08:41<stefanos90>hello, I have installed debian 6 on virtual box, i use ubuntu, and conect to internet via wi-fi but in virtual box debian it says that i use ethernet. How can i check if my wi-fi has compability with bedian?
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08:41<set>sorry for enhlisg... do you understand what im trying to tell ?:)
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08:42<cthuluh>set: named-checkconf
08:43<set>you are great:)
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08:47<set>cthuluh: is thic correct that in this places i have the same files?
08:47<set>cthuluh: to what place of it i should copied the conf files form old server?
08:48<cthuluh>yes it is correct
08:48<cthuluh>and I don't get the second question
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08:50<set>cthuluh: sorry. I would like to know to witch plases of it: /etc/bind/ or /var/lib/nametd/etc/bind i should cobiend the rest of conf files from old serwer?
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08:51<cthuluh>set: understand that /etc/bind is just a symbolic link to /var/lib/named/etc/bind
08:52<set>cthuluh: so paste the rest files to /var/lib/.... ?
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08:52<cthuluh>/etc/bind or /var/lib/named/etc/bind, who cares?
08:52<set>it doesnt meaters?
08:52<cthuluh>physically they're the same directories
08:52<set>i see:)
08:53<cthuluh>what is a SYMBOLIC LINK? 8)
08:53<set>but the most correcly?
08:53<cthuluh>cd /etc/bind && pwd -P
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08:54<cthuluh>set: the most important problem is that if you were using special configuration in your old NS, some directives may be deprecated with the new named
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08:54<cthuluh>set: so you shouldn't just copy the old config files
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08:55<cthuluh>set: but modify the new files so that you get the same functionality
08:55<set>cthuluh: yes i try to look all files what I copie and understand it
08:56<set>cthuluh: i dont paste without think and read it
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08:56<set>thanks for help:) if I will be need it will back:)
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09:00<armani>lee-0: it's still dying on partitioning ... it freezes up and hangs on kernel panics, i know this netbook is supposed to be linux friendly because it came with suse pre-installed...but i don't know why it's not partitioning.
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09:03<catsup>what kind of panic
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09:08<aussa>couldn't manage to install vbox ext pack... looked for file>preferences>extensions, but it isn't there and tried the "terminal" way but "invalid command extpack"
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09:13<armani>catsup: if you're referring to my problem: it goes into a kernel panic, saying fatal in interrupt...
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09:23<armani>don't know if that helps...i'm heading out and will have to get a more detailed answer later tomorrow. thanks for you help: catsup, & lee-0!
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09:30<stefanos90>i want to try debian live cd on my laptop, wich image of all should i download?
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09:33<scholtz432>hi, i installed skype for pidgin, can send skype message but cannot see any messages received.
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09:36<scholtz432>ola...all quiet
09:36<sola>you avlas en SPANISH
09:37<sola>eoooooo albert
09:37<sola>alguien kiere avlar konmigo
09:38<scholtz432>english buddy
09:38<scholtz432>no espanol
09:38<sola>tio si no avlas español dimelo i ya esta pero no m dejes aki esperando komo una tonta
09:38<sola>d k pais eres
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09:39<fralle>how do i hexdump ttyS0
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09:40<fralle>guessing what im listening on is sending end of file or something cause hexdump just exits...
09:40<sola>k dices
09:40<sola>no t entiendo nada
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09:44<scholtz432>any synapse launcher support in the room?
09:44<scholtz432>where do i set classpath synapse uses?
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09:56<marga>Hi! I'm having a very weird and frustrating problem with NFS. Very similar to this one:
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09:56<marga>Basically what happens is that lockd stops responding at some point. Rebooting the server makes it work for a while (not always the same amount of time), but then it times out again.
09:57<set>see you
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09:57<marga>Changing the clients to NFSv4 instead of NFSv3 makes it work for those clients, but we can't migrate all clients to NFSv4 without doing some testing on the locking of dbf files.
09:58<marga>The server is still running lenny, with a backported squeeze kernel.
09:58<marga>It started happening this monday without any changes applied in the server. i.e. no software or hardware upgrades between it working and it not working.
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10:09<geisbruch>hi everybody, anyone knows the risk of use tcp_tw_recycle or tcp_tw_reuce or how to set SO_LINGER default for all connections?
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10:20<geisbruch>hi everybody, anyone knows the risk of use tcp_tw_recycle or tcp_tw_reuce or how to set SO_LINGER default for all connections?
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10:24<pqatsi>a quick question concerning aptitude: Why aptitude dont support deb-src?
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10:47<jackyf>pqatsi: what do you mean, 'don't support'?
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10:48<pqatsi> LANG=C aptitude source libvisual
10:48<pqatsi>Unknown command "source"
10:48<pqatsi>aptitude 0.6.3
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10:49<pqatsi>o.0 3 lines ¬¬
10:49<cthuluh>do you know apt-src ?
10:50<jackyf>pqatsi: file a wishlist bug to aptitude, use apt-get/cupt/whatever else to 'source' meanwhile
10:50<kop>pqatsi: It just doesn't. You can use apt-get or whatever.
10:50<pqatsi>i know i know
10:50<jackyf>and it not called 'doesn't support deb-src', it does, it doesn't have 'source' command only.
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10:51<pqatsi>i just think aptitude is a "merge all util apt commands in just one"
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10:51<pqatsi>jackyf: may not, because i dont know if aptitude update fetch deb-src's
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10:52<jackyf>pqatsi: aptitude update does about the same as 'apt-get update' + some extras maybe.
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10:54<pqatsi>jackyf: this is why im asking
10:55<pqatsi>why have same behaviour on update with deb-src, but dont support sources fetch?
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10:56<jackyf>pqatsi: ask aptitude maintainer.
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10:56<zem>i have an interesting situation, whenever i boot and gdm starts, my mouse and keyboard do not work, then i unplug my mouse, plug it in again, and they both work... any idea?
10:56<zem>it's wheezy
10:56<zem>and a fresh install
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10:57<benjamin32>hi i have another question using aptitude
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10:58<benjamin32>when i enter sudo aptitude install -y -t testing pidgin
10:58<benjamin32>it removes a couple of packages
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10:58<benjamin32>but does not install anything
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10:59<benjamin32>when i start aptitute again it installs the packages
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10:59<benjamin32>I don|t understand whz
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11:01<fralle>if i know my printers ip how do i find it with lpinfo -v ? (there are lots of printers here..)
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11:01<benjamin32>any aptitude fan here?
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11:03<Pitxyoki>fralle, lpinfo -v | less ?
11:03<Pitxyoki>And then / (slash) to search?
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11:08<benjamin32>Is there a debian-help forum or sth. like that in the web? Maybe this is the wrong place for asking a question?!
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11:09<cahoot>benjamin32: aptitude doesn't offer an explanation if you skip -y ?
11:09<opalepatrick>I know sound is an eternal issue, but... does anyone have any idea why I would get parts of podcasts for instance garbled?
11:10<benjamin32>Oh yes there are a lot of explanations
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11:10<cahoot>so maybe the answer is to be found there - not on irc?
11:10<opalepatrick>There is a series of podcasts where the standard intro is garbled, the chat is fine, some music clips garbled others absdolutley fine.
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11:11<benjamin32>The following packages will be REMOVED:
11:11<benjamin32> eog{u} ........
11:11<benjamin32>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 21 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
11:11<benjamin32>Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 72.1 MB will be freed.
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11:11<opalepatrick>I have had this on Mandriva and now on Debian
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11:12<benjamin32>sorry for that
11:12<babilen>benjamin32: →
11:13<benjamin32>debhelper showed me that ;-) sorry i did not use irc for ages!
11:15<babilen>benjamin32: And while you are at it, put the output of "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy pidgin" and your /etc/apt/sources.list in there too
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11:15<benjamin32>there is what aptitude does;
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11:15<benjamin32>ok babilen i will put it in my next paste
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11:16<babilen>benjamin32: aptitue? that looks like apt-get output
11:16<fralle>Pitxyoki, lpinfo -v doesnt print ip :/
11:17<babilen>benjamin32: Could you please *always* paste the exact commands too :)
11:17<fralle>Pitxyoki, i get output like this: network dnssd://RDV38FB65%20(A0DDE538FB65)-1._pdl-datastream._tcp.local/
11:17<fralle>but no ip
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11:19<benjamin32>yes i ran a script and pasted the wrong output from bash i will do it again!
11:19<rashkae>If one were to notice that the recent Debian testing CD/DVD images (April 18) have a small flaw... (say, as a random example, grub and lilo are missing, so no bootloader can be installed).. is there somewhere to grab the previous week's images?
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11:19<babilen>benjamin32: Which script?
11:19<babilen>benjamin32: What are you actually trying to achieve?
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11:20<linjan0>woohoo, xchat via 64kbps wimax!
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11:21<benjamin32>this is correct and checked:
11:21<linjan0>irc forever!
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11:23<Pitxyoki>fralle, I don't know. I never used lpinfo.
11:24<Pitxyoki>It doesn't even detect my samba-shared printer here.
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11:25<linjan0>why ssh connection runnig very slow?
11:26<benjamin32>and here are the outputs of sources list and apt-cache policy:
11:26<linjan0>i have an 64 kbps modem, and jabber conferences and irc runs good
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11:27<koollman>linjan0: which part is slow ? slow to connect, slow when you type, slow when copying something ?
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11:28<linjan0>slow when i type
11:28<linjan0>and when connect
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11:28<koollman>(on connect: reverse dns resolution, when typing : latency or packet loss, when copying: packet loss or lack of bandwidth)
11:29<benjamin32>it is strange it uninstalls programs like gedit and i had to manually reinstall them after i managed to update pidgin
11:29<Pitxyoki>ben2morrow, are you talking about aptitude?
11:29<linjan0>koollman: thank you
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11:31<koollman>linjan0: you can use 'ping -c thehost' to some host (ideally the host you are ssh-ing to) to get some stats on packet loss and latency
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11:31<benjamin32>Now i wonder: Did i destroy more parts of my new squeeze install? And I learned: newbies should not use testing even if your YAHOO login does not work anymore ;-)
11:31<captainkirk>is there french people here ?
11:32<Pitxyoki>benjamin32: I know a guy who uses aptitude and he recently (Monday or so) had aptitude purging a lot of packages he didn't want it to.
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11:33<benjamin32>@babilen: I wanted to update pidgin to a new version automatically when i boot a live cd
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11:34<benjamin32>@babilen: And as you see in the pastes I managed to update pidgin but automatically deinstalled other programs like gedit.
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11:35<babilen>benjamin32: Those packages were automatically installed and no other package depends on them. They are therefore removed because you don't want them.
11:35<babilen>benjamin32: Couple of things to note: Don't use "testing" but "wheezy" in your sources.list -- I would also just set the default release instead of pinning ; /msg dpkg default release
11:35<benjamin32>Pitxyoki: the same happened here.
11:37<benjamin32>babilen: As I understand wheezy is (the actual) testing?!
11:37<babilen>Pitxyoki: It is not that aptitude does it on its own. You have to confirm that you want it to remove those packages. There is also a logic behing the removal and the reason for "unwanted" removals always boil down to a problem in the human←→aptitude communication.
11:37<babilen>benjamin32: Correct, wheezy is the current testing. That will change once it is released.
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11:38<Pitxyoki>babilen, I suppose so.
11:38<Pitxyoki>It sounded weird to me because he's not supposed to be a "newbie" user.
11:38<benjamin32>babilen, pitoxy: Yes it is a human error and I agreed to the uninstall but i don't understand why it kills my image viever and GEDIT which are programs I need.
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11:39<babilen>benjamin32: Then mark them as *not* automatically installed. "aptitude unmarkauto PKG" will do that. You might also consider installing a larger gnome metapackage that depends on these packages. ; /msg dpkg install gnome
11:39<Pitxyoki>He's been using Debian for 10 years or so... I didn't expect him to be surprised at aptitude's behaviour.
11:39<Pitxyoki>I don't know much details about what happened with him, though.
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11:40<babilen>Pitxyoki: Well, he can come here anytime and we will try our best to help :)
11:41<benjamin32>babilen: I set the default package in #/etc/apt/apt.conf wrote:APT::Default-Release "stable"; Is that what you meant?
11:41<babilen>benjamin32: I assume that you removed the "gnome" or another metapackage with apt-get (which does not automatically remove unneeded packages) and are surprised by aptitude's automatic removal of them.
11:41<babilen>benjamin32: Not "stable" but "squeeze" -- *never* use stable or testing in your sources.list or preferences.
11:42<babilen>benjamin32: You will have an unpleasant surprise once the association between "stable" and the actual name changes.
11:43<benjamin32>babilen: why? because when the stable release changes, all your installations points to a wrong new release I would assume
11:43<Pitxyoki>babilen, dpkg tells you to set stable or testing there.
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11:43<benjamin32>babilen: oh yes that's right. thanx.
11:43<babilen>Pitxyoki: The factoid is wrong then. I'll correct it. Thanks for pointing that out :)
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11:44<babilen>Or ... /
11:44<benjamin32>babilen: I see I have to learn more about Meta-packages and aptitude unmarkauto PKG first. THX for your help. Thx very much
11:45<babilen>benjamin32: Metapackages are just empty packages that solely exist to declare dependencies on other packages. They are mostly used to "pull in" a set of other semantically related packages such as those that make up the "gnome" desktop or so.
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11:47<babilen>,versions apt
11:47<judd>Package apt on i386 -- lenny-security:; lenny:; squeeze:; wheezy:; sid:
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11:48<babilen>Pitxyoki: I guess that the factoid recommended using stable,testing, ... due to #423234 which was fixed in apt 0.7.22
11:48<babilen>!dbugs #423234
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11:48<dpkg>DONE:#423234:W[apt] aptitude: APT::Default-Release in /etc/apt/apt.conf does not accept release names like "sarge", "etch", ... (); Thu, 10 May 2007 19:06:02 UTC [97564 254716 509471]
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11:59<ballison>i'm trying to set up a xen server using LVM for the images. I can't seem to even get LVM to install on the system correctly. I'm using the debian installed in text mode (which is very confusing) and I want to see up a volume group for the 1 disk that's in it, and then create logical volumes for each of the images. can this be done from the installer?
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12:05<vorteks>hello :)
12:05<vorteks>I cant get firefox to load intersites at all but other browsers work fine
12:06<vorteks>inersites=internet sites
12:06<retrospectacus>you mean iceweasel?
12:07<vorteks>wont load any [ages
12:07<Pitxyoki>Does closing and starting it again solve is?
12:07<vorteks>nope :(
12:08<Pitxyoki>Is File -> Work Offline checked?
12:08<MrFrood>vorteks: just http sites - what about ftp, gopher, etc?
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12:08<retrospectacus>vorteks: what does the browser (is it iceweasel?) say when it fails?
12:08<vorteks>\checking nope not checked
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12:09<vorteks>Server not found Iceweasel can't find the server at * Check the address for typing errors such as instead of * If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. * If your co
12:09<vorteks>that help?
12:10<jhutchins_lt>vorteks: Are you using a proxy? Are you not using a proxy but iceweasel thinks you are?
12:11<vorteks>not that i know of?
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12:17<vorteks>nop non selected
12:17<vorteks>no proxies
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12:23<zweilever>is there a repo with mit scheme in it? I'm only finding the docs at the moment
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12:25<babilen>,versions mit-scheme
12:25<judd>Package mit-scheme on i386 -- lenny: 7.7.90+20080130-1; squeeze: 9.0.1-1; sid: 9.0.1-1+b1; wheezy: 9.0.1-1+b1
12:25<babilen>zweilever: ^^^^ What's the problem? (i386/source only though)
12:26<zweilever>probably because it's i386
12:26<Pitxyoki>,versions iceweasel
12:26<babilen>What architecture are you on?
12:26<judd>Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-5; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-6~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-6; sid: 3.5.18-1; wheezy: 3.5.18-1; experimental: 4.0-3
12:27<Pitxyoki>Is this sorting by judd random?
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12:27<Pitxyoki>The sorting of the releases...
12:27<babilen>Pitxyoki: I don't see how this is related to the current discussion. Please use "rmadison PKG" from the devscripts packages, /msg dpkg judd versions PKG or
12:27<babilen>Pitxyoki: yes, it is being worked on but not the only things that needs to get fixed in judd's source.
12:28<Pitxyoki>What? I wasn't referring th "the current discussion". I just noticed that the order of the releases is not always the same when you request a ",versions" command.
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12:28<Pitxyoki>Ok, it could be following some order that I wasn't seeing. I'll be quiet now.
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12:30<Pitxyoki>Oh, actually it *is* sorted. By package version, not by release.
12:31<rpetre>Pitxyoki: looks like it's sorted alphabetically by version number first, release name after
12:32<Pitxyoki>Not "release name after". Notice that iceweasel has 'sid' before 'wheezy'.
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12:32<rpetre>because it's the same version no. and s < w
12:32<rpetre>alphabetically by release, not historically
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12:32<Pitxyoki>Somehow my brain was reading "zid".
12:33<rpetre>zz 9 plural z alpha release
12:33<babilen>Pitxyoki: You might want to have it replaced or checked ;)
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12:34<rpetre>versions seem to be sorted according to deb-version(5)
12:34<arand>Is there a command which produces a link to the vcs what is used for a specific application?
12:34<rpetre>(tilde before nothing and all that)
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12:35<arand>(As is done when I apt-get source, but would nice to get it without duplication..)
12:36<rpetre>arand: apt-cache showsrc package | grep '^Vcs' works for you ?
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12:37<rpetre>(not all source packages have Vcs-* fields as far as i've seen)
12:37<vorteks>i cant get iceweasel to browse the web all other browsers work
12:38<bluenemo>vorteks, did you install it via apt-get? did you copy your .iceweasel configfolder from another system? is it in offline mode?
12:38<arand>rpetre: Ah, It does indeed, thanks.
12:38<locsmif>Hey vorteks ;-)
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12:39<locsmif>vorteks: just try creating a new profile
12:39<locsmif>for iceweasel
12:39<vorteks>how i do that
12:39<locsmif>Start it with -P
12:39<locsmif>Before you do that
12:39<locsmif>You can also try starting it in safe mode
12:40<vorteks>how i do that ?
12:40<ayaka>I ping6 and w3m visit normaly,but iceweasel can't
12:40<bluenemo>vorteks, rm -r /home/'yourusername'/.mozilla
12:40<bluenemo>that delets your firefox config file. if you restart it, it creates a new one
12:41<locsmif>bluenemo: that will kill his bookmarks and everything
12:41<locsmif>or will it?
12:41<rpetre>ayaka: about:config -> network.dns.disableIPv6 -> it should be false
12:41<bluenemo>it is also possible to learn how the config file is made up and then extract those informations
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12:42<Pitxyoki>I'd just move the .mozilla dir away.
12:42<Pitxyoki>Telling him to rm it right away.... :X
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12:42<locsmif>vorteks: moment
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12:42<bluenemo>or that yes, mv /home/user/.mozilla /home/user/.mozillabackup
12:42<locsmif>You can look that up with epiphany
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12:43<bluenemo>did you guys test ff4 so far? is it faster?
12:43<Pitxyoki>It is, bluenemo.
12:43<Pitxyoki>I also feel that it eats less RAM.
12:43<bluenemo>ok cool. then i'll test it too..
12:43<locsmif>vorteks: iceweasel -safe-mode (when it's not started already)
12:44<ayaka>rpetre, thank you
12:44<ballison>Might not be the right place to ask, but i'm in an outage situation. where can i find the mysql .MYI and .FRM and .MYD files ? locate returned nothing
12:44<rpetre>ayaka: ;)
12:44<Pitxyoki>And if you always have >9000 tabs open like me, you'll love the 'tab groups' feature.
12:44<Pitxyoki>ballison, did you run updatedb before trying locate?
12:44<bluenemo>ballison, did you run updatedb before locate?
12:44<rpetre>ballison: those are only for myisam tables
12:45<vorteks>\didnt work
12:45<rpetre>also. mysql keeps those by default in /var/lib/mysql/<db_name>/
12:45<locsmif>vorteks: well, then
12:45<bluenemo>you can use find as well. just has no database and does a complete serarch every time
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12:45<ballison>running updatedb now
12:45<locsmif>stop iceweasel
12:45<locsmif>iceweasel -P
12:45<locsmif>Then create a new profile, and run that
12:45<locsmif>vorteks: all traces of ipv6 have been killed?
12:46<ballison>rpetre: I have the .myi, .frm, and .myd files in backup. i need to know where to put them to recover the table back to where it should be (i wish i had actual mysqldump's but i don't...)
12:46<ballison>rpetre: thanks. checking that location
12:47<rpetre>ballison: grep for datadir in your my.cnf file, if it's not /var/lib/mysql, replace it in my location
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12:47<vorteks>nope that didnt help :(
12:47<ballison>rpetre: I found them in that directory. Can I just take the backed up .myd, .myi and .frm files and just drop them into that directory (replacing the ones that are there)? and that's it?
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12:48<rpetre>ballison: as long as that database is not in use
12:48<rpetre>i suggest you stop mysqld first
12:48<rpetre>(and if you use any sort of replication, it will break)
12:49<rpetre>also, you do realize that will lose data, right/
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12:50<locsmif>vorteks: you can also rename .mozilla in your home to mozilla.old and try again. After that... I don't know. Another Heisenbug?
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12:50<ballison>rpetre: It's a mapping table. the data that's in there now is wrong.
12:50<Morty>Is there any way for folks on a Linux system to view Visio files other than by running Visio on wine?
12:50<vorteks>locsmif: no luck
12:50<rpetre>ballison: it can be done without restarting mysql, just you have to make sure that db is not in use
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12:51<locsmif>vorteks: yep :)
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12:52<rpetre>ballison: if you can stop mysqld while doing the switch, the better
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12:52<locsmif>vorteks: at this point I would recommend a complete reinstall, after what you've been through
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12:52<locsmif>And never run network-manager again, because I asked around... not good ;-)
12:52<ballison>rpetre: the database is in use. it's the active... and it's master-master replicated.
12:52<rpetre>ballison: ugh
12:53<rpetre>then i'm afraid it won't be that simple
12:53<rpetre>you'll have to insure consistency between the masters
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12:54<rpetre>i am not so experienced in m-m replication so i couldn't recommend a good procedure
12:54<locsmif>If a completely new profile doesn't work, then what will....
12:54<rpetre>ballison: try asking the guys in freenode/#mysql (or better yet your dba ;) )
12:54<locsmif>vorteks: you can run tcpdump again to see what iceweasel does, but
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12:54<locsmif>vorteks: there is one thing
12:55<locsmif>vorteks: we got many of those broken tools to work by using ips instead of hostnames
12:55<locsmif>vorteks: try ip address [google]
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12:56<ballison>rpetre: Okay - change of parameters. I'm now told that I'm NOT to completely replace the .myd, .myi, and .frm files but rather MAKE A NEW TABLE somewhere else, load those 3 files, so that they can be read, see what the value was for a given customer and then go manually fix it on the production database for that one customer.
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12:57<vorteks>were do i put that info?
12:57<ballison>rpetre: so how do i read those there files? heck - use my local mysqld if i need to, just need to know how to read them.
12:57<rpetre>ballison: that's simple, just copy the* as database/* on both masters
12:57<locsmif>vorteks: in the browser bar
12:57<locsmif>just the ip address
12:57<locsmif>the address bar
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12:57<rpetre>if you copy them in the database dir, they appear magically as tables for the server, without restart
12:58<rpetre>ballison: just copy myd, myi and frm together and use the tablename you want on all of them :)
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12:58<rpetre>(i have to note that we're getting pretty offtopic here)
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13:00<ballison>rpetre: copying them over now as "newtable.frm..." etc to the /var/lib directory for my database. do i need to do anything (repair?) to make it visible form insdie mysql/
13:00<rpetre>ballison: nope, as long as they are in the database dir you want and have the proper permissions
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13:01<rpetre>and put them on all masters, so you don't break replication
13:01<rpetre>before doing any query on them
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13:01<vorteks>locsmif: Server not found Iceweasel can't find the server at
13:01<rpetre>ballison: i'd put them on a separate server though and export or whatever stuff from it
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13:02<ballison>i see the new table when I do a "show tables" ;
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13:02<rpetre>ballison: poking at physical files under a production db is a major no-no unless you REALLY know what you are doing
13:02<locsmif>vorteks: very odd.
13:02<ballison>rpetre: but when I do a select * from mytable; i get an error that it can't find the .frm file
13:02<rpetre>ballison: should work though
13:02<locsmif>vorteks: I give up
13:03<rpetre>ballison: check permissions and the name of the .frm
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13:03<locsmif>vorteks: huh
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13:03<locsmif>Wait a minute
13:03<locsmif>It says: "Iceweasel can't find the server at" ?
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13:03<locsmif>So you typed in the ip address and then iceweasel looked up the hostname?
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13:04<ballison>rpetre: that was it. you rock! total life saver!
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13:04<rpetre>ballison: hope you didn't break anything ;)
13:04<rpetre>(i find m-m replication scary)
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13:05<locsmif>vorteks: got KDE or Gnome? Gnome right? Just open a terminal and become root, then run:
13:05<locsmif>tcpdump not port 6667
13:05<locsmif>to see what iceweasel is up to
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13:06<locsmif>assuming you are connected here on irc port 6667, which you can check with netstat -ntp
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13:09<vorteks>tons of info
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13:11<sose>umm. hi. I'm trying to install debian on an old computer of mine. I chose the netinstall cd (debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso)
13:11<tal>Hi I upgrade today from stable to testing and I'm getting errors...
13:11<sose>it went okay at first but now it suddenly demands that I must place the cd in /media/cdrom to continue
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13:11<sose>the CD is in my cd drive, the cd drive light is on, I can't eject the cd
13:11<sose>and the setup is basically jammed now
13:13<sose>what should I do now?
13:13<locsmif>vorteks: paste it in a pastebin
13:13<locsmif>use epiphany or so
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13:16<BrianR___>Is there an easy way to see details on partitioning in the Squeeze installer?
13:16<BrianR___>(I want to check that partitions are aligned on 4k boundaries - I have one of those awful WD green drives that has 4k sectors internally, but claims to have 512 byte sectors)
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13:20<tal>I upgrade today from stable to testing and I'm geting errors while boot kernel
13:20<tal>Any1 know something about this?
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13:22<ballison>rpetre: I loaded it on the backup server so I didn't have to touch the master-master replications. I just needed to read the values in the back'ed up table so i could manually fix one customers settings. done. worked. thanks!
13:22<tjader>I can't get git annex to work over ssh :/
13:22<OddTod>hello i have been looking online for a howto for unrar / rar in linux anyone have some suggestions?
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13:25<dpkg>Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal for Squeeze. #debian-ipv6 on, #ipv6 on To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>.
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13:33<dpkg>To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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13:37<DAMN3dg1rl>i'm using debian 7.0 wheezy now, and i ave a problem with mi tv dvb-t tuner asus my cinema p-7131h : the output is a video corrupted and with many issues
13:37<DAMN3dg1rl>i think the problem is the 2.6.38-2-amd64 kernel , and the player used isn't relevant
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13:38<chrisreich>does all this work in Squeeze?
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13:38<ballison>ALL: Can you not put a / partition inside a LVM Volume Group, Logical Volume ?
13:38<DAMN3dg1rl>chrisreich, ya, it worked
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13:39<locsmif>What would compel Iceweasel to try ipv6 DNS lookups even after a user has disabled ipv6 on his system with the steps outlined by dpkg and the Debian wiki?
13:39<ballison>It keeps bombing on me when i try to partition it in the installer.
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13:39<sney>DAMN3dg1rl: wheezy is a bumpy ride right now, any time there's something weird the first place to look is
13:39<chrisreich>DAMN3dg1rl what makes you suspect the kernel?
13:40<ballison>I keep getting an error "LVM VG vm-vol-grp, LV root failed"
13:40<ballison>(( need a pastebin for images to show screenshots ))
13:40<sney>locsmif: have you confirmed that ipv6 is disabled? does ifconfig show an ipv6 address?
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13:40<locsmif>vorteks: ^^
13:40<locsmif>sney: it's vorteks
13:40<sney>oh, sorry
13:41<DAMN3dg1rl>chrisreich, in past i used ubuntu , and when i'm passed from 9.10 to 10.04 the kernel changed, and the new kernel did that issues, i resolved using the 2.6.33 unofficial kernel
13:41<sney>my buffer doesn't go up that far.
13:41<locsmif>sney: hey, no prob! :)
13:41<sney>vorteks: does ifconfig show an ipv6 address?
13:41<locsmif>We just fixed his IceWeasel browsing probs after disabling ipv6 DNS lookups in IW options at about:config
13:42<chrisreich>DAMN3dg1rl as sney says, check
13:43<locsmif>sney: we're fixing something else atm, bbiab
13:43<locsmif>Sorry to divert
13:43<DAMN3dg1rl>chrisreich, i'll do it ;). .. can you suggest me a query ? :D
13:44<chrisreich>DAMN3dg1rl perhaps start with the make and model of your tuner card.
13:44<DAMN3dg1rl>chrisreich, thank
13:44<chrisreich>DAMN3dg1rl you're welcome
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13:46<DAMN3dg1rl>chrisreich, sorry, but i do not understand how do a query .. ;)
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13:47<DAMN3dg1rl> is down
13:48<babilen>DAMN3dg1rl: Just use:
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13:49<hstrutz>hiya. is anyone here familiar with gnupod? im trying to copy podcasts, but the program don't want to play ball with me.
13:49<DAMN3dg1rl>there isn't any bug ticket openet yet
13:50<DAMN3dg1rl>i'm think i need to open one
13:50<babilen>DAMN3dg1rl: What are you trying to do?
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13:51<DAMN3dg1rl>babilen, my tv tuner doesn t work properly on my debian testing
13:51<DAMN3dg1rl>i think the problem is in the kernel
13:51<hstrutz>my command for copying podcasts is: "gnupod_addsong -p "Podcasts" --playlist-is-podcast /blaha/podcasts_dir/*.mp3" -- but it doesn't work. at all.
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13:52<ballison>is it legal (within the rules of debian) to build a system, where the root partition is inside a LVM Logical Volume ?
13:52<babilen>DAMN3dg1rl: I have no experience with tv tuners, but the PCIID or USBID of it could come in handy. Was it working in squeeze?
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13:53<babilen>ballison: You mean you create a LV for / ?
13:54<DAMN3dg1rl>babilen, you suggest to use the identifier of the card ?
13:54<ballison>babilen: yes. I have a photo of what i'm doing but i don't have a place to upload to show you
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13:54<babilen>DAMN3dg1rl: yeah, they are marvellous for getting information about the device in question. Was it working in Squeeze?
13:54<DAMN3dg1rl>01:01.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d1)
13:54<DAMN3dg1rl>babilen, worked in squeeze
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13:55<babilen>ballison: imgur/picpaste -- But nvm -- It is perfectly fine to have a LV for /
13:56<babilen>DAMN3dg1rl: Use squeeze then, check the BTS for bugs against all packages from the linux-2.6 source package and the application you use to determine that "it doesn't work"
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13:56<ballison>babilen: here's the config I'm trying but it fails every time.
13:56<Pitxyoki>I think it is. If I remember well, the installation manual only referred to the "experimental" nature of it and possible hiccups with boot managers.
13:56<babilen>DAMN3dg1rl: We (#d) don't really support wheezy and it is IMHO not a good idea to run it right now.
13:57<sney>when I boot my squeeze system, it shows me a lot of udevd warnings between loading the kernel and finishing with "waiting for /dev to be fully populated". The warnings don't show in my syslog, I think they're too early. Normally I wouldn't care about warnings except I want to put a bootsplash on this system, and if I have the splash enabled in grub, the system halts immediately after all the udevd warnings.
13:57<ballison>babilen: which is then followed by this error:
13:57<sney>they scroll by too fast to write down, but they're something like SYSFS= will be ignored in future releases
13:58<babilen>sney: one second :)
13:58<sney>take your time, I'll be here
13:58<babilen>ballison: Hmm, no idea. Looks fine AFAICT -- Check the other ttys (ctrl-alt-fN) for errors
13:59*ayaka is away: 我很忙 I'm busy
13:59<ballison>babilen: k - i don't see why it's failing for a / inside the Logical Volume...
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14:00<babilen>sney: The problem is related to a bunch of removed but not purged packages that still have (outdated) udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/ -- Run "aptitude search ~c" to get a list of the culprits. Purging them will most likely get rid of it. The remaining packages are buggy.
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14:00<babilen>ballison: Not sure as well. I don't see an obvious error but I might overlook something.
14:01<babilen>sney: Or rather: "The problem is likely related to …"
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14:03<chrisreich>babilen - what is "BTS" please?
14:04<tjader>chrisreich: Bug Tracking System
14:04<chrisreich>tjader - much obliged
14:04<ballison>babilen: weird - i did a manual configuratoin of the disks and debian never gave me a chance to set up LVM this time.... not at all. :/
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14:05<babilen>ballison: partman did not give you the option to setup LVMs?
14:05<ballison>babilen : nope. not when i select manual install
14:05<babilen>ballison: I'm quite sure that you can configure LVMs when you do that … :-\
14:06<ballison>babilen: manual partitioning i mean. i select finished and it went straight to formating and installing. never gave me a chance to select LVM
14:06<babilen>ballison: You have to configure encryption and LVM *before* you finish ...
14:06<ballison>babilen: maybe it's hiding the option for "Configure the Logical Volume Manager" at the top. I've seen it hide the option before
14:07<babilen>ballison: No, it is an option of the partitions you created. Something like "Use for:" → LVM or so ...
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14:10<ballison>babilen: yep you are right . "use for LVM"
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14:20<babilen>nate123: noisy, eh?
14:21<babilen>nosy m)
14:21<nate123>i mean i guess
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14:51<tjader>What is bleeple score?
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14:56<williams>Hi. I have linux mint debian, and I can't get nvidia to work, there is something wrong with my xorg or whatever... Any quick fixes ?
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14:57<sasli>install module-assistant, m-a prepare, m-a auto-install nvidia
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14:58<ballison>can anyone tell me why this is failing -->
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14:59<chealer>williams: what do you mean by "linux mint debian"?
14:59<babilen>!tell williams -about mint
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15:00<williams>chealer, I'm running linux mint debian
15:00<williams>that's what I'm trying to say
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15:02<ballison>what's the fastest way to get the gateway IP for a host (resolved as fully quailified) ?
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15:04<tjader>ballison: what do you mean?
15:04<tjader>get the default route?
15:05<ballison>tjader: route -n |grep UG | awk '{print $2}' | xargs nslookup
15:05<tjader>so you want the name of the default route
15:06<tjader>What's the problem with that pipeline?
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15:07<ballison>tjader: was wondering if there's a better - more direct way
15:07<tjader>Don't think so.
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15:13<kop>tjader: Well, nslookup sucks....
15:13<kop>Use "getent hosts" instead.
15:14<K0JIbKA1>i was in search for setting mail transfer agents to operate in fully functional dd-wrt router. internet is up and run'g. upon starting mail client i got application crash. it wasn't like that before flash D-Link DIR-320with dd-wrt v24 preSP2
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15:15<K0JIbKA1>how to run Evolution NOW?
15:15<ballison>kop: that's interesting. getent returns a hostname for an IP even when there's no dns for that ip. it's using the local /etc/hosts..
15:16<Tekk_>can anyone suggest imap and smtp servers? Never had to set one up before and I don't know how they all rate against eachother
15:17<Tekk_>K0JIbKA1: heh, servers as in actually runs on my server ;P
15:18<Tekk_>as in apache/cherokee for http
15:18<K0JIbKA1>i got it now
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15:28<kop>ballison: getent hosts uses the resolver. This is handy. To use dns use dig.
15:29<kop>Tekk_: I like postfix. Some like exim. You probably want to stay away from sendmail. You could try dovecot for imap.
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15:29<kop>Tekk_: Check out the popcon db.
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15:30<Tekk_>dovecot and postfix, I'll take a look at that :P
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16:03<ethan>My google skills are slipping. . .I have been trying for a few hours to install debian on an apple TV 1st gen. . .anyone know a good guide I can follow. . .
16:04<ethan>or relevant channel to serch for?
16:04<ethan>much appreciated. . .
16:04<sney>what kind of hardware is in the appletv? is it an embedded system?
16:05<ethan>intel proc 254 mb RAM
16:05<SynrG>here is fine, for starters, until you start showing up our collective ignorance
16:05<ethan>thanks :-)
16:05<sney>yeah, Im not sure how to boot it is all.
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16:06<SynrG>ethan: maybe you can start by indicating what your primary obstacle is
16:06<ethan>well I have tried a few . . . there is the patch stick. . . .and the netinst. . . some require you remove the drive and dd and image. . .cannot find said images of debian for apple tv. . . .
16:06<babilen>sney: Fixed the udev warnings?
16:07<ethan>with patchstick you no need to rip out the hard drive
16:07<ethan>still holding out. . .
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16:07<ethan>I was just looking at my options (resources) before taking the thing apart. . .
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16:08<ethan>I get stuck on the following . . . .
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16:10<ethan>installing the patched parted
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16:10<sney>babilen: don't know, haven't rebooted
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16:13<ethan>Synrg: here is what I get:
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16:15<SynrG>so line 401 indicates a problem ...
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16:16<ethan>hmmm I see. . .
16:17<ethan>guess I need to look at the config file . . and ask a few more questions
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16:17<SynrG>ethan: it's hard without having the code in front of me to know what might be going on here.
16:18<ethan>I understand. . . .I did download the file from the link above
16:18<ethan>one sec. .
16:19<SynrG>the instructions say something about what to do if there's a particular error ...
16:19<SynrG>which superficially sounds related to this, but it doesn't quite match
16:19<ethan>yes hence my search . . .for greater minds. . .
16:19<SynrG>If you get a failed build on a warning about C99 inline functions not supported, then ...
16:20<SynrG>yes, this is related to inline functions, but nothing about "not supported"
16:20<SynrG>have you tried the recommendation anyway?
16:20<SynrG>... on the off chance it actually does apply to our case
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16:22<ethan>not yet did not want to make things worse
16:22<ethan>now I know I have nothin to loose
16:22<ethan>trying . . .
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16:24<benjamin32>Oh god my ALSA sound driver drives me to hell!
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16:25<blueVenom>anyone familiar with running steam on debian?
16:25<sney>blueVenom: it's hit or miss but I've gotten it to work more or less with the wine from on i386
16:25<sney>amd64 seems generally worse for wine stuff
16:26<benjamin32>how can i exchange sound cards priority with ALSA?
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16:26<blueVenom>i can get it to start but then it quits randomly
16:26<sney>blueVenom: there may be fixes available at
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16:27<ethan>SynrG: Success! Thanks for the nudge. . .
16:29<benjamin32>to be exact: i wanna swap the sound card on slot 0 and 1
16:29<benjamin32>and I already read this:
16:30<MrFrood>benjamin32: can't you just deselect the card you don't want in the bios?
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16:31<benjamin32>MRFrood good idea but i have bought a new radeon graphics card. when i deselect my onboard sound in bios the ati gets port 0
16:31<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. #alsa on
16:31<benjamin32>(but i want usb on port 0)
16:32<benjamin32>oops #alsa
16:33<benjamin32>sorry thx (&I'm away)
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16:54<MikeFips>hi, can anybody help me getting pptp-linux (VPN) working under a deb squeeze chroot on my Nas?
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18:01<drew>how do i make new users
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18:01<drew>how do i make new users
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18:02<sney>man useradd
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18:03<jhutchins_lt>sney: I thought it was adduser
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18:04<sney>both do it
18:04<retrospectacus>both exist. You usually want adduser
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18:05<sney>I just typed the one my fingers came up with first, and it's not like he was here to get the suggestion anyway
18:05<dropedrobarr>hi, how can i access a debian server in Windows with nautilus?
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18:05<dropedrobarr>I can d it by manually mounting the directory in a terminal, bt its there anyway to do it by nautilus
18:05<retrospectacus>Windows doesn't have nautilus. Rephrase your question please
18:06<sney>a windows file server, you mean?
18:06<retrospectacus>you mean you want to access a windows share from nautilus?
18:06<retrospectacus>(the opposite of what you said)
18:06<dropedrobarr>retrospectacus, yeah sorry
18:06<retrospectacus>go to Places menu - connect to server
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18:07<dropedrobarr>retrospectacus, im not running Gnome, m running E17
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18:09<retrospectacus>ok then in nautilus File - connect to server
18:09<dropedrobarr>Nautilus -> Network doesnt show anything
18:09<dropedrobarr>retrospectacus, ill try that one
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18:10<dropedrobarr>retrospectacus, thanx it worked
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18:54<hstrutz>I'm about to install Ubuntu and remove Debian Stable from my computer... The only reason for doing this is that I can run the latest programs (i.e Banshee 2.0) with it. Am I stupid? Please help me to turn back this train, it doesn't feel good to leave Debian....
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18:55<demooriaan>do you want to have a rock solid system, or bleeding edge, failing every then and now?
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18:56<sney>hstrutz: well you'll probably regret the decision, but isn't ubuntu still on the same kernel and libc as debian? It should be relatively simple to backport the new versions of stuff you really need to debian, using debian tools and methods
18:56<hstrutz>demooriaan, both! :-) but actually, I lean more against rock solid...
18:57<sney>for instance, banshee 2.0 is in debian sid, so that's available to backport using the method called 'ssb'
18:57<demooriaan>if you need some new packages, use backport, or do backbport them
18:58<hstrutz>sney: Yeah, that's why I'm here. I've been running debian for so many years, so it wouldn't feel good to change now. But well, I'll try to look into that, to see if its possible to backport Banshee...
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18:58<hstrutz>I have never backported anything, but will google it right away. :-)
18:58<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
18:58<babilen>sney: Backporting banshee will most likely lead to backporting most of the mono runtime though :)
18:58<sney>hstrutz: there are your instructions
18:59<babilen>,depends banshee --release sid
18:59<judd>Package banshee -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.28.6), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.26), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.23), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libsoup-gnome2.4-1 (>= 2.27.4), libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.26.1), libwebkit-1.0-2 (>= 1.1.16), libx11-6, libxrandr2, libxxf86vm1, mono-runtime (>=, libboo2.0.9-cil (>=, libc6 (>= 2.11) | libc6.1 (>= 2.11) | libc0.1 (>=
18:59<hstrutz>sney: thanks
18:59<judd>2.11), libcairo2 (>= 1.10.2-2~), libgconf2.0-cil (>= 2.24.0), libgdata1.7-cil (>=, libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.23.3), libgkeyfile1.0-cil, libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.12.10), libgpod4 (>= 0.7.94), libgtk-sharp-beans-cil, libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.12.10), libgudev1.0-cil (>= 0.1), libkarma0, libmono-addins0.2-cil (>= 0.4), libmono-cairo2.0-cil (>= 2.4), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 2.6.3), libmono-posix2.0-cil (>= 2.4), (1 more message)
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18:59<demooriaan>when i began using debian (about 10 jears ago) i used stable, went to sid, then testing, and back to stable
18:59<babilen>,versions mono-runtime
18:59<judd>Package mono-runtime on i386 -- lenny: 1.9.1+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+2; sid: 2.6.7-5; squeeze: 2.6.7-5; wheezy: 2.6.7-5; experimental: 2.10.1-4
19:00<babilen>hstrutz: Well, try ssb -- It might just work. :-)
19:00<hstrutz>demooriaan, same here. i've been on stable for several years, after getting tired of updating every week, even if that meant you've get the latest programs.
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19:01<demooriaan>programmes have to just *work*
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19:02<hstrutz>I do actually have some problems with banshee running stable, but... well, I try to fix it.
19:02<demooriaan>i do even regret updating to squeeze
19:03<demooriaan>lenny was *running* squeeze (kde) just works
19:03<vorteks>whats mono-runtime?
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19:04<dpkg>[mono] infectious mononucleosis ("glandular fever", "kissing disease"), or a community initiative to develop an open source, cross-platform version of the Microsoft .NET development framework. #debian-mono on
19:04<hstrutz>my first distro was slackware 2.0 (?) back in 1998/99, I actually miss slack too - after that I went over first to red hat than debian...
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19:04<vorteks>,yne was debian back in 97
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19:05<vorteks>mtbe was debian back in 97
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19:06<vorteks>wgt would someone want to do mono?
19:06<nate123>anyone use openvpn on debian (client side)
19:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
19:07<nate123>i have openvpn client on debian
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19:07<nate123>i can connect, and ping, but have no DNS resolution
19:08<OddTod>nate123: enter is not a punctuation mark. please write out your entire question.
19:08*nate123 sighs
19:09<OddTod>nate123: your issue is that you're not getting DNS passed to you. YOu can do this manually by modifying your resolve.conf file.
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19:09<OddTod>nate123: actually its tha tyou're not accepting the DNS.
19:09<nate123>hrm ok
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19:10<nate123>ok, thanks :)
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19:31<[D4vid]>i'm having problem manually changing kernel
19:31<[D4vid]>on squeeze
19:31<[D4vid]>using a OVH shell
19:32<[D4vid]>with bs custom kernel
19:32<[D4vid]>download source
19:32<[D4vid]>and compile
19:32<[D4vid]>wth no errors
19:32<[D4vid]>make && make install etc
19:32<[D4vid]>set default in grub config to select new detected kernel
19:32<[D4vid]>doesn't boot
19:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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19:37<MrFrood>!tell [D4vid] about make-kpkg
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19:48<vorteks>were can i get a youtube plugin for iceweasel?
19:48<sney>youtube plugin? like flash?
19:49<vorteks>o guess what ever will let me view youtube
19:50<vorteks>in iceweasel
19:50<sney>enable that and it will just work
19:50<MrFrood>vorteks: there are two flash plugins - the offical one in non-free and an unoffical one over at debian multi-media
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19:53<sney>MrFrood: and gnash, but html5 really is the best way to go
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19:53<vorteks>how i het the the offical one in non-free
19:54<MrFrood>sney: not everything at yt is available as html5 - but yes it is the best option where it works
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19:55<PachinkoMage>How do I tell apt to install the i386 versions of libraries on an AMD64 system?
19:55<MrFrood>vorteks: if you have non-free in your source.list then just install it and restart your browser
19:55<sney>!tell vorteks about adobe flash
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19:59<vorteks>sars its akready installed
20:00<vorteks>why cabt i view youtube in iceweasel
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20:04<MrFrood>vorteks: check iceweaseles about:plugins page
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20:07<[D4vid]>ok, ive managed to get kernel replaced and loaded using "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 linux-headers-2.6-amd64" but now apt-get or aptitude don't work
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20:08<XayOn>[D4vid]: Define "don't work"
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20:09<[D4vid]>nvm i'd typo'd, lol
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20:09<vorteks>File name:
20:09<vorteks> Shockwave Flash 10.1 r999.
20:09<vorteks> Gnash 0.8.8, the GNU SWF Player. Copyright (C) 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
20:10<MrFrood>should work then - what about other flash sites?
20:10<vorteks>hrm its installed
20:10<vorteks>dont know
20:11<vorteks>got 1?
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20:12<vorteks>MrFrood: know pf any?
20:12<demooriaan>what do you want to do -- install gnash or flashplugin-nonfree?
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20:14<MrFrood>demooriaan: flashplugin-nonfree is installed - but not working (at least with youtube)
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20:14<MrFrood>he is useing iceweasel
20:15<ethan>root@datadeb:/mnt/usb2# cp -ap boot.efi /mnt/usb1
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20:15<ethan>cp: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/usb1/boot.efi': Operation not permitted
20:15<ethan>thoughts anyone?
20:15<vorteks>hrm its installed acording 2 site
20:16<MrFrood>vorteks: did you see a flash animation at the top of the page?
20:17<MrFrood>So flash is working but youtube is not - yes?
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20:17<vorteks>but i vant virw sites that have video
20:17<demooriaan>youtune changes most vodeos from flash to html5
20:18<vorteks> is the site im trying to view to keep my system secure
20:19<vorteks>its good ibfo for abti hacker stuff
20:20<MrFrood>vorteks: can you view stuff on the yt site?
20:21<vorteks>what site?
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20:22<demooriaan>do u need to buy a t-shirt?
20:23<vorteks> cant view
20:25<demooriaan>nice blonde
20:26<MrFrood>vorteks: try uninstalling the non-free flash player and installing the one from - see if you get any better milage from that one
20:26<demooriaan>lasr one *not availlable in your country*
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20:27<vorteks>how i uninstall?
20:27<vorteks>i mean whats package bane
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20:28<demooriaan>dp you use synaptic, ar aptitude, or apt?
20:28<vorteks>oldschool heh
20:28<demooriaan>apt-get --purge remove *name-of-pack*
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20:29<vorteks>i know that but whats the name?
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20:31<MrFrood>to use debian-multimedia follow the instructions on the front page @
20:32<MrFrood>once you have ste-up the repos you need to install the package flashplayer-mozilla
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20:32<demooriaan>not *mozille
20:33<demooriaan>just flashplugin-nonfree
20:33<demooriaan>is wrapper to instal ( and dl) adobe flash
20:34<MrFrood>demooriaan: that is what is not working well hence trying the DMM package instead
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20:35<demooriaan>some days age maintainer hasb't reacted within minutes/hours to update hies repostory (sha5 check) for new adobe fiel, no update was possible
20:35<demooriaan>will turn lights on...
20:36<MrFrood>yes dmm updates are a bit slower
20:36<PachinkoMage>I'm trying to build a 32-bit application but apt fetches the AMD64 built libraries by default. How do I retrieve the 32-bit libraries instead?
20:36<demooriaan>but now new adobe file will be dl, or else update ( according to debian wiki) is being done
20:38<MrFrood>demooriaan: since the last update flashplugin-nonfree is buggy on some systems
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20:38<demooriaan>works her, i386
20:38<MrFrood>demooriaan: you have messages in ot
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20:41<vorteks>ebert site that site mentions is down
20:42<vorteks>Fetched 103 kB in 6s (15.5 kB/s)
20:42<vorteks>W: GPG error: stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
20:42<vorteks>that was the bottum link
20:42<MrFrood>vorteks: did you install the DMM key as instructed on the front page of DMM?
20:43<vorteks>i got simaler error on ither sites
20:43<demooriaan>else: does not matter, pkg will be installed due to users will
20:44<demooriaan>debian multimedia does offer a key for verification
20:45<MrFrood>"The first package to install is debian-multimedia-keyring"
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20:45<demooriaan>and this pkg does verify all other pgkes from multimedie as genuine
20:46<demooriaan>*if* or *when* they are genuine
20:47<vorteks>it didnt say ti on main page but i read the faq
20:47<vorteks>and u get error
20:48<vorteks>oot@guardian:/etc/apt# dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb
20:48<vorteks>dpkg: error processing debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb (--install):
20:48<dpkg>vorteks: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
20:48<vorteks> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
20:48<vorteks>Errors were encountered while processing:
20:48<MrFrood>vorteks: I copied and pasted from the main page
20:48<vorteks> debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb
20:48<MrFrood>vorteks: pastebin
20:48<vorteks>oh sorry\
20:48<MrFrood>!tell vorteks about pastebin
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20:54<MrFrood>vorteks: was /etc/apt where you downloade the package?
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20:54<vorteks>i ran apt-get
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20:55<MrFrood>vorteks: just asking because dpkg canot find the package
20:55<vorteks>ot should use the default dir?
20:55<vorteks>apt should use the default dir?
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20:56<MrFrood>vorteks: follow th instructions
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20:56<MrFrood>the frist question and answer
20:57<locsmif>vorteks: deinstall gnash
20:58*locsmif gone again
20:58<demooriaan>gnash and flash*nonfree can co-exist -- yust adjust your browser-settings
20:58*MrFrood blinked and missed locsmif
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20:59<vorteks>ok what should i do?
21:00<demooriaan>install flasplugin-nonfree, adjust your browser-settings ( e.g. iceweasel(firefox etc)
21:00<MrFrood>vorteks: download the debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb as instructed on the site
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21:01<vorteks>done now what?
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21:02<MrFrood>again as instruted on the site run the dpkg -i command on it
21:03<vorteks>i did that already:)
21:03<MrFrood>make sure you cd to the folder containing the download
21:03<vorteks>i installed it
21:03<MrFrood>vorteks: did it install
21:04<MrFrood>now apt-get update
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21:05<MrFrood>then apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
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21:06<vorteks>i get that error
21:06<the|Navigator>How can I tell apt-get to ignore an unmet dependency?
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21:07<MrFrood>the|Navigator: see the force option on the man page
21:07<vorteks>k its installed
21:07<vorteks>now what?
21:08<MrFrood>vorteks: that just means the server was throwing a wobbly - happens now and again - should not effect what we need to do
21:08<MrFrood>vorteks: flashplayer-mozilla installed?
21:09<MrFrood>restart iceweasel
21:09<MrFrood>and try it
21:09<MrFrood>see if you get any better results
21:09<the|Navigator>MrFrood: The option it tells me to add does nothing
21:10<MrFrood>the|Navigator: I normally use aptitude - force works with aptitude
21:10<the|Navigator>How do I force in aptitude?
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21:11<MrFrood>it's detailed on the man page the|Navigator
21:11<MrFrood>vorteks: dis you restar ice weasel
21:12<the|Navigator>MrFrood: force in "man aptitude" gives nothing relevant.
21:12<the|Navigator>*searching for
21:12<vorteks>and in ob youtube bo luck :(
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21:14<MrFrood>vorteks: does work?
21:14<MrFrood>the|Navigator: what exactly are you trying to do?
21:15<the|Navigator>I want to install a package that has a build dependency that I know I have a package that satisfies, but the system does not believe it does.
21:15<vorteks>yes it does
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21:15<vorteks>but youtube dont
21:16<demooriaan>youtube does change about all vids from flash to html5
21:16<MrFrood>the|Navigator: the force option shoud work then - instead of crapping out with an error it will just give a warning
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21:17<vorteks>no site work but the one u pasted
21:17<MrFrood>vorteks: try
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21:18<MrFrood>opt in
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21:20<MrFrood>vorteks: does youtube work in other browsers?
21:20<vorteks>i dont see that option
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21:21<MrFrood>vorteks: go to and at the bottom of the page click the option to opt-in and then see if the vids work
21:22<the|Navigator>MrFrood: I can't get aptitude to force either.
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21:22<MrFrood>the|Navigator: what command are you using?
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21:23<the|Navigator>MrFrood: That's the point, the man page doesn't refer to a way to force.
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21:23<the|Navigator>MrFrood: The only existence of the word force I can find on that page is talking about forcing it to use Full Resolver rather than Safe Resolver.
21:24<vorteks>thats all i see on the www
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21:26<hstrutz>hi. im trying to compile banshee 1.6 on debian stable. don't ask me why. any how, I can't find these: "checking for TAGLIB_SHARP... configure: error: Package requirements (taglib-sharp >= were not met:"
21:27<MrFrood>the|Navigator: my mistake force is a dpkg command :-/
21:27<craigevil>hstrutz, apt-file search foo
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21:27<hstrutz>craigevil, been there, didn't find anything.
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21:27<hstrutz>the|Navigator, thanks.
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21:28<VelvetElvis>have there been any recent known problems with nvidia and/or X on sid? X is unable to get any screens because the EDID read fails on my monitor. Is my monitor dead or is this a software problem?
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21:28<MrFrood>VelvetElvis: I guess the version of iceweasel you are using is not supported :-/
21:29<MrFrood>VelvetElvis: sorry that was for vorteks
21:29<vorteks>no browser works
21:29<hstrutz>the|Navigator, doesn't seem it exists in stable...
21:30<MrFrood>vorteks: which browsers have you tried?
21:30<vorteks>nor does epiphany
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21:30<craigevil>vorteks, try chrome
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21:30<MrFrood>vorteks: have you tried chromium?
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21:31<VelvetElvis>what's the channel for X? I should probably go there.
21:31<craigevil>VelvetElvis, if you installed the nvidia way and not the debian way you need to reinstall the driver if Xorg or the kernel upgraded
21:32<vorteks>no work
21:32<VelvetElvis>everything is installed properly and the free driver fails too
21:33<VelvetElvis>and everything is installed from debian packages
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21:34<craigevil>VelvetElvis, check there was a thread there about nvidia on sid
21:35<vorteks>whats wrong here?
21:36<MrFrood>vorteks: no idea - I give up, maybe someone else can figure it out...
21:37<demooriaan>vorteks so what's going, or not
21:37<vorteks>flash wont work
21:38<vorteks>o tried everything
21:38<demooriaan>you did install alreadysome flash* package?
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21:39<demooriaan>do dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree
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21:40<MrFrood>demooriaan: he has the dmm flash plugin
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21:41<MrFrood>vorteks: demooriaan means do dpkf -l flashplayer-mozilla
21:41<vorteks>n flashplugin-non <none> (no description available)
21:41<craigevil>look under Edit>Options>Applications on iceweasel and make sure you do not have gnash or something else set to play flash
21:41<demooriaan>so you may have gnash plugin
21:41<MrFrood>er dpkg -l flashplayer-mozilla
21:41<craigevil>although gnash works on youtube more or less
21:41<demooriaan>dpkg -l gnash
21:41<dpkg>ii gnash 2.7-1 demooriaan's private stamp collection
21:42<demooriaan>you can install flashplugin-nonfree besides gnash
21:42<vorteks>ii flashplayer-moz 2: Macromedia Flash Player
21:43<demooriaan>ok, so you already have
21:43<craigevil>flashplayer-mozilla should work just fine it does here in iceweasel and firefox
21:43<demooriaan>but not latest version
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21:43<VelvetElvis>ok, I've got the same version of the DKMS package and everything else that's in experimental
21:43<demooriaan>check in vrowser
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21:44<craigevil>vorteks, what does about:plugins show for flash
21:44<demooriaan>settings -> etc sorry only have german one here
21:44<Vlam>Does anyone know a program that I can run on my Debian media server so I can access the videos from say a browser remotely?
21:44<Vlam>It's command line by the way
21:44<VelvetElvis>Vlam VLC, ffmpeg
21:46<VelvetElvis>those can both do it
21:46<Vlam>Over the internet? I didn't figure they could
21:47<Vlam>I'd figure I could just use VPN and use the Samba share I already have set up
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21:47<VelvetElvis>I've never done it, but it's mentioned in the documentation
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21:48<VelvetElvis>I've got to find a different irc client. this version of x-chat won't even give me a channel list
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21:49<weedeater64>irssi will
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21:51<craigevil>so will xchat
21:51<demooriaan>vorteks: ok, gnash is installed and working
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21:51<demooriaan>what about non-free
21:52<vorteks>ok nowwat?
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21:52<MrFrood>demooriaan: he does not need non-free has the dmm plug-in
21:52<demooriaan>dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree
21:52<dpkg>ii flashplugin-nonfree 3.3-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
21:52<weedeater64>VelvetElvis: did you enclose you search term in **
21:53<demooriaan>if dmm works: do with it
21:53<weedeater64>clive and mplayer work for youtube.
21:53<MrFrood>vorteks: I'd suggest uninstalling gnash
21:53<weedeater64>No flashcrap needed
21:54<demooriaan>flash is security prob for at least 8-10 years now
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21:54<MrFrood>gnash should not cause a clash with the adobe flash but just incase I'd try uninstalling gnash
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21:54<demooriaan>both can coexist
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21:55<MrFrood>demooriaan: both should co-exist - but....
21:55<craigevil>vorteks, as root update-alternatives --config and check in iceweasel Edit>Preferences>Applications and make sure gnash is not set
21:56<weedeater64>Not to mentions a resource piggy.
21:56<craigevil>you can also remove gnash, but its not really need
21:56<weedeater64>Nasty stuff that flash.
21:57<MrFrood> weedeater64 we know but he wants it
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21:58<vorteks>gnats not there
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21:59<craigevil>vorteks, look at SPL and SWF both should say Shockwave Flash
22:00<weedeater64>vorteks: what are you trying to watch ?
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22:01<weedeater64>Seriously, do your self a favor and purge everything flash, get clive and mplayer and life will be good.
22:02<vorteks>how dl i view youtube?
22:02<weedeater64>~$ clive
22:03<weedeater64>~$ mplayer some_stupid_crap
22:03<vorteks>i ther a plugin for browser?
22:03<weedeater64>cpu won't burn up, little ram needed
22:04<MrFrood>vorteks: what version of debian are you using?
22:05<weedeater64>Not to mention security.
22:05<MrFrood>weedeater64: do you mean geko-mediaplayer?
22:06<weedeater64>I got gnome-mplayer, but I don't need it and will probably ditch it.
22:06<weedeater64>hang on
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22:07<weedeater64>Ya, geko-mediaplayer
22:07<weedeater64>Other was dummy I guess.
22:07<VelvetElvis>OK, X gets a correct EDID read booting to a grml live CD so I just need to know what package to file a bug against, since I'm having the same problem with both nvidia drivers
22:08<weedeater64>I'm done trying to watch vids in browser though, it's retarded.
22:08<MrFrood>weedeater64: no, geko-mediaplayer is the browser plugin for gnome-mplayer
22:09<weedeater64>Whatever, like I said, I'm done with all that nonsense, I have seen the light.
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22:09<locsmif>vorteks: get rid of Gnash heh.
22:10<vorteks>i did
22:10<locsmif>Still no juice?
22:10<locsmif>That sucks.
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22:10<weedeater64>Crazy the things they try to do to your system. They want you to burn it up.
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22:10<locsmif>vorteks: if you install the debian package for Flash, you still have to actually run the Adobe installer, iirc
22:10<vorteks>after installin gnome-plugin and the 2 others
22:11<locsmif>The deb package just downloads the installer, iirc
22:11<vorteks>how i do that
22:11<locsmif>I could be wrong here tho
22:11<locsmif>After install, about:plugins says it's there and Gnash is not
22:12<locsmif>then Youtube should work
22:12<weedeater64>If you insist on flash, get the non-free and save your self some heart ache.
22:12<demooriaan>if you want to install flashplugin-nonfree
22:12<weedeater64>It's all crap though.
22:13<demooriaan>time for html5
22:13<weedeater64>Ya, what's the hold up on that ?
22:13<locsmif>vorteks: if you use that new profile you created, it might
22:13<VelvetElvis>yes 90% of the multimedia content on the web is crap.
22:13<locsmif>And there were still more add-on remnants on your system, far as I could tell
22:13<locsmif>Anyone of which might interfere with Youtube
22:14<demooriaan>weedeater64 but about 10 years ago: also was said flash is crap
22:14<VelvetElvis>HTML5 won't be a standard for another 10 years
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22:14<weedeater64>Actually I saw that youtube has a group you can join for html5 content, but you must have specific browser/s
22:14<craigevil>if you are running a 64bit install then install flashplugin-nonfree from the debian repos and not flashplayer-mozilla from dmm
22:15<demooriaan>youtube *does* merge about 99 percent of all vids to html5
22:15<weedeater64>The masses want what the masse want, *sigh*
22:15<locsmif>Who knows
22:15<locsmif>Youtube works fine here
22:16<locsmif>Which is mostly because my Iceweasel isn't such a mess :=P
22:16<rjordan>Hi, I'm trying to get apt to install x86 libraries on an AMD64 platform. Is there any way I can coax apt into grabbing the 32-bit libraries that I desire?
22:16*locsmif vanishes again
22:16<demooriaan>weedeater64 yes, at least running pics > vids on browser
22:16<locsmif>rjordan: arch override
22:16<vorteks>12 hours with squeeze time to logout
22:16<locsmif>rjordan: look it up in the manual
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22:17<rjordan>locsmif, I've been flipping through the documentation for a couple hours now.
22:17<VelvetElvis>depending on the libraries there are pre-packaged 32 bit libraries for the 64 bit platform
22:19<weedeater64>I have no problem with conservative use of images, but I don't appreciat being assaulted with a barage, without warning.
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22:19<VelvetElvis>I forget what they are called and can't look them up because I'm on a ubuntu machine until I figure out what's wrong with mine
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22:20<vorteks>by for now
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22:21<locsmif>etc. etc.
22:21<locsmif>Read the Wiki tho
22:21*locsmif disappears
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22:24<weedeater64>16z 22z
22:24<weedeater64>WTF ?
22:24<weedeater64>page up page down
22:24<weedeater64>keyboard just crapped, was working a minute ago.
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22:26<jrabbit>bugger all
22:26<jrabbit>I don't know where apache is denying my conenctinos to /dokuwiki to
22:27<jrabbit>even turnign the log to debug was no use
22:27<jrabbit>it jsut seems to be ignoring php stuff?
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22:29<weedeater64>Well that was weird
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22:32<weedeater64>Anyone know what could have caused that ?
22:32<weedeater64>It was only in the one terminal.
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22:40<weedeater64>Dang where'd every one go ?
22:40<MrFrood>what happened with vortak?
22:40<weedeater64>I don't know.
22:40<weedeater64>I was having a keyboard crisis.
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22:40<MrFrood>ah - had to logout for a kernel update
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22:42<weedeater64>All of a sudden my page up and down stopped scrolling and were printing 16z and 22z
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22:42<weedeater64>Any ideas what that was about ?
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22:43<MrFrood>build up of spilt coffee residue?
22:43<weedeater64>Definite posibility
22:44<MrFrood>time to put the kb in the dishwasher then ;)
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22:45<weedeater64>But it wasn't hardware, I know because it was only in the one terminal.
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22:45<weedeater64>What log should I look at ?
22:46<MrFrood>no idea
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22:47<weedeater64>Why must you be root to view some logs ?
22:48<MrFrood>because :P
22:48<Vlam>I can't seem to find a solution for streaming media across the Internet so I can access it and play the videos
22:48<weedeater64>I here vlc does that.
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22:48<MrFrood>you may want to investigate adding yourself to the admin and/or staff groups
22:48<Vlam>I know but I can't find a documentation on how to do it
22:49<rjordan>locsmif, thanks, this is what I was looking for.
22:49<weedeater64>man vlc
22:49<weedeater64>apt-get install vlc-doc
22:49<weedeater64>google vlc
22:49<weedeater64>that should get you started
22:50<MrFrood>Vlam: vlc --longhelp --advanced | $PAGER
22:50<weedeater64>/join #vlc
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22:52<MrFrood>so is it true that Gopher is the only common-place standardised virtual file system?
22:53*MrFrood hides
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22:54<sney>you should be banned for advertising
22:54<dpkg>hmm... gopher is a distributed document search and retrieval protocal or rfc 1436
22:54<weedeater64>There's something I want to investigate again/more.
22:54<demooriaan>and outdated, usually
22:55*MrFrood keeps quiet instead of hitting demooriaan around the head with a wet fish
22:56<Vlam>No one is even in the vlc channel
22:56<demooriaan>MrFrood use that protocol on your network, if you need, else: leave it
22:57<MrFrood>the factoid could do with an update
22:57<sney>do it yourself then
22:57<MrFrood>demooriaan: as sney indicated I'm a bit of a gopher nut
22:57<weedeater64>AAArgggg, why no time stamps in Xorg.0.log ??????
22:58<MrFrood>sney: I probably will - it does not mention the clients or server in the repros
22:58<kop>When fdisk/sfdisk/et-al report sector numbers are they counting from 0 or 1? I've a drive with 4k sectors and want to get the partition alignment right.
22:59<kop>weedeater64: The file has a timestamp. Otherwise dosen't everything happen more or less right at startup anyway?
22:59<weedeater64>ah, so that log won't help anyway.
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23:00<weedeater64>I find nothing in logs to indicate what happen.
23:00<kop>weedeater64: I don't know for sure, but every time I've looked at an X log it's all been startup info. I could be dead wrong here.
23:04<weedeater64>If there is anything to be found, I would find it in /var/log right ?
23:07<weedeater64>meh, I don't see anything.
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23:10<locsmif>rjordan: you're welcome
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23:12<weedeater64>Vlam: They're channel may be on another server, check they're web site for support info.
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23:13<weedeater64>What's another good channel on this server ?
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23:15<kop>Ah. man sfdisk says 0 relative.
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23:16<weedeater64>What does that mean kop ?
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23:17<quietone>Will someone pls point me to what I should be reading to learn how to mount my encrypted partition (not home) at log in on my laptop? thx
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23:19<bones_was_here>is user9 a bot?
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23:21<kop>weedeater64: Per my question that nobody answered.
23:21<dpkg>Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at . See also <dm-crypt>, <encfs>, <gpg>, <luks>.
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23:23<weedeater64>hmm, over my head.
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23:31<weedeater64>There are several *fdisk programs around. Each has its problems and strengths. Try them in the order cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk. (Indeed, cfdisk is a beautiful program that has strict requirements on the par‐ tition tables it accepts, and produces high quality partition tables. Use it if you can.
23:32<weedeater64>From man fdisk; bugs
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23:34<weedeater64>fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things
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23:43<kop>weedeater64: Yes. I know. This whole 4k block thing is just (yet) another Wintel hardware clusterfuck, with random "fixes" that don't and no documentation in the specifications. My drive for instance says in it's tech specs that it's got "4K Sector with Emulation", whatever the fuck "emulation" means. See the <4kb> factoid for more. I've just been fussing with it.
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23:50<faham>this game will be available on linux very soon
23:50<faham>consider it as an serious one! :)
23:51<weedeater64>must sleep, good luck kop
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