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---Logopened Fri Apr 22 00:00:23 2011
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00:02<sako>hey guys how do i add dependencies to a .deb file?
00:02<MrFrood>with superglue & duct-tape?
00:02<sako>so i have created a .deb by building from source for nginx... doing the whole apt-get build-dep apt-get -b nginx
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00:03<sako>does the dependency list go in a repo? (using reprepo
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00:09<MrFrood>sako: it's a bit quite tonight, there is good docs on the debian site or you can try later when it is busier
00:13<dpkg>A dependency is a package needed by another package. Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg. Dependencies are resolved by apt-get/aptitude/synaptic. Packages are listed as dependencies for a good reason... if you think you don't need that package, then most likely you don't know what "dependency" means. Go look it up and ask me about <policy>.
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00:45<beer>I am just wondering when nvidia-glx would be updated to 270.41.06 that was releaaed yesterday
00:45<beer>it have support for my new graphics card
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01:13<armani>i can't seem to get knoppix 6.4 to install properly with their knoppix-installer on the hard drive from usb, is it possible to just copy the files onto the directory from the usb, and then edit the grub config as an alternative?
01:14<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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01:21<armani>sweet... thanks that helps me out a lot...
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01:59<Phoul>Hey folks
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02:24<vorteks>how can i view ive tried lots of stuff
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02:26<dondelelcaro>vorteks: change the user agent
02:26<vorteks>whats that agian
02:27<dondelelcaro>vorteks: aptitude install xul-ext-useragentswitcher; and set it to be a windows-based firefox install
02:27<dondelelcaro>and then e-mail the fafsa idiots, and tell them not to be stupid
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02:31<vorteks>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xul-ext-useragentswitcher"
02:31<jm_>it's only in testing/sid
02:32<vorteks>what do i need to add to my sources.kist
02:32<jm_>you can also install it from mozilla's addons page
02:33<dondelelcaro>or you can manually set it in about:config
02:35<vorteks>hrn about:config is blank
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02:36<kop>vorteks: The plugin is eaiser.
02:36<vorteks>ok what do i do
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02:36<kop>vorteks: Unless you plan on lying forever about your browser.
02:36<dondelelcaro>vorteks: about:config should show a list of configurations
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02:37<vorteks>i dont
02:37<vorteks>it dont
02:37<kop>vorteks: Go to Look for useragentswitcher on their plugins page. Install it.
02:37<dondelelcaro>vorteks: uh... you are typing that into the location bar, right?
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02:38<vorteks>should i redownload chromium?
02:39<jm_>you type agent into the search box for about:config, but seeing as you don't know how to use it, just do what kop said
02:39<simonlnu>chromium doesn't have about:config
02:39<vorteks>what should i do:(
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02:39<dondelelcaro>heh; it would have been nice to know which browser you were using
02:40<dondelelcaro>vorteks: see or search google
02:40<dondelelcaro>vorteks: lots of ways to change it
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02:45<vorteks>it brings me to when i start chromium with the useragent option
02:45<jm_>try it with iceweasel, it works for me
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02:46<vorteks>nope :(
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02:46<vorteks>did u click on click here?
02:47<vorteks>i mean start here?
02:47<kop>vorteks: iceweasel _and_ the user agent switcher plugin configured to lie.
02:47<jm_>start here is not clickable for me, but the page seems to work
02:47<kop>dax: Hello. If you've a debian question just ask.
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02:47<vorteks>how i do that?
02:48<jm_>ahh start here button, yes, that one only works via user agent switcher
02:48<vorteks>jm_: how i install that?
02:48<vorteks>im sorry
02:49<dax>always feels rude :-) running debian lenny, would like to viewe http request made by a remote I am building to an axis camera. . .I need to be able to see what the remote is sending to a TCP port
02:49<jm_>vorteks: kop already told you, Tools -> Add-ons
02:49<jm_>and then Get Add-ons
02:49<dax>I suspect I need a TCP server
02:49<dax>or even apache?
02:50<jm_>dax: why not use tcpdump?
02:50<vorteks>no addons option only extensions and its not lisyed there\
02:50<dax>perfect. . . installing now
02:50<jm_>you need to add an extension - have you seriously never done this with iceweasel/firefox?
02:50<dax>did not know what I needed thank you
02:51<jm_>dax: wireshark would be much easier to use (its Follow TCP stream option)
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02:51<jm_>ok, so search for "user agent" in the search box that iceweasel opened
02:51<jm_>one of the first ones should be user agent switcher 0.7.whatever, install that
02:52<dax>installing wireshark. . . .thanks
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03:21<vorteks>ptitude install xul-ext-useragentswitcher
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03:22<vorteks>i still cant go to website
03:22<vorteks>i cant click start here
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03:25<jm_>did you change the user agent in iceweasel?
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03:28<zem>umm... how do you tell which version of debian you have installed?
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03:28<jm_>!debian version
03:28<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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03:34<adema>hum weird i just upgrade my debian wheezy to 2.6.38-2-amd64 kernel
03:34<adema>and now, when i change to volume i hear some scratch
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03:37<kop>adema: Out of curiousity, do you know of all the options for extra software in stable described in ?
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03:39<kop>adema: Ok. I wondered if you had a good reason for running testing.
03:39<adema>no real reason
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03:39<adema>just more fashion to have to newer software
03:40<vorteks>hrm wheb i go to view videos online chromium says missing plugin
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03:41<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
03:41<kop>adema: You can get a lot of newer software from backports.
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03:43<adema>i know
03:43<adema>but 99% of the time testing works perfectly
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03:43<adema>and it's enough for me
03:44<kop>adema: Ok. Some find sid better, because fixes get fixed there faster. YMMV.
03:44<costas>adema, I disagree, testing is counter-productive for us that do work with Debian...
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03:44<srtu>hi, i put a disk with a crypted LVM into another mashine and like to open it, but vgscan don't show me the LVM, any ideas? with fdsik -l i see the correct disk
03:44<costas>it's like working with freakin' Ubuntu all the time...
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03:45<adema>i don't try to tell you what to do^^ i'm just fine with testing
03:46<kop>srtu: You have to activate the volume group and the logical volume.
03:46<kop>srtu: something like "vgchange -ay" and "lvchange -ay". I forget.
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03:47<kop>srtu: Or that's what the problem sounds like to me.
03:47<srtu>yeah but when i dont see it with vgscan its not there, vgchange -ay LVMNAME dont wotk
03:48<costas>adema, I'm making a point here, newbies may waste time trying to work with testing, but the title remains: testing
03:48<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
03:48<kop>srtu: You give it the volume group name.
03:48<srtu>i did
03:49<srtu>with vgscan it sould show me the lvm, but it doesn't
03:49<adema>i don't dunno what kind of work you do, but i work fine for years now on testing
03:49<qboster>hi, when I use quilt command to modify control file in openssh-5.5p1 source code. To generate a test.patch. Then I use dpkg-source -b openssh-5.5p1. It prompt: "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Skipping patch". Any idea ?
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03:51<quietone>hi, any ideas how to make my invisible trash can visible on the panel? It's there, just can't see it.
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03:54<quietone>if I left click on the invisible trash icon I get a popup "Error while spawning nautilus: Operation not supported". Right click is 'normal'
03:54<kop>srtu: Well if you encrypted the pv that could be the problem. I'm not up on encryption.
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03:57<srtu>ok no problem kop thx for your help
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04:05<vorteks>fasfa dont work with opera either
04:05<srtu>when i fdisk -l i got under the device > Partition table entries are not in disk order
04:05<srtu>is this noraml on devices with crypted lvm?
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04:11<valdyn>srtu: its irrelevant
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04:20<Jarlaxe>hi overthere. I run a squeeze with lxde/openbox, use differents locales and keyboard through xkb and scim. It works well but i just have a shortcut which is 'wrong' with xkb : alt+shif is overwhelm the alt+shift+tab windows switching. I read in man and /usr/share/X11/xkb, but do not find how to do yet. any idea ?
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04:21<quietone>Now nautilus says "Could not display "computer:"." I'd really appreciate a hint here. I searched b4 asking here and am still trying...
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04:24<qwer>hi, can I add comands to be run after installing a new Kernel?
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04:25<costas>hello lucky74
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04:27<costas>qwer what do you mean "add commands"?
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04:28<qwer>costas: after installing a new kernel do "make && make install"
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04:34<costas>!tell qwer about compile
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04:39<qwer>costas: I don't want to compile the kernel, I just want to run a command after the kernel is installed. (like: /run/this/
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04:41<phillipsjk>apt-get install kernel; cd working_dir; make && make install
04:42<phillipsjk>semi-colon does one command after another.
04:42<costas>like sh (stuff)?
04:43<qwer>phillipsjk, like that.
04:43<costas>be specific please...
04:43<dpkg>[bash] the Bourne Again SHell, and the default Debian shell. Ask me about <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls>, <bbg>, <abs>, <parsing ls>, <bashism>. #bash on and
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04:45<qwer>I do: "apt-get (dist-)upgrade", and if this installs a new kernel it should also do "/run/" after the kernel is installed
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04:48<jm_>qwer: postinst_hook in /etc/kernel-img.conf
04:48<costas>well, I don't understand what you want to do, if you're not specific we're in guessing mode, and that sucks sideways
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04:51<qwer>jm_: so I add "postinst_hook = /run/" to /etc/kernel-img.conf?
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04:52<jm_>qwer: read the man page first - man kernel-img.conf
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04:55<ottoshmidt_>devil, I added repos from but I can't see kde packages of 4.6.1 they are still 4.4.5
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04:56<ottoshmidt_>are you sure they are currently there?
04:57<jm_>ottoshmidt_: how did you try to install it?
04:58<jm_>did you run apt-get update
04:58<ottoshmidt_>yes I did
04:58<jm_>and the other question?
04:58<ottoshmidt_>I tried like this
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04:59<ottoshmidt_># apt-get -t experimental-snapshots install kde-standard
04:59<ottoshmidt_>but it installed 4.4.5 anyway
05:00<ottoshmidt_>so now I am on 4.4.5
05:01<jm_>run apt-cache policy kde-standard
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05:05<ottoshmidt_> Installed: 5:67~pre4
05:05<ottoshmidt_> Candidate: 5:67~pre4
05:05<ottoshmidt_> Version table:
05:05<ottoshmidt_> *** 5:67~pre4 0
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05:05<jm_>please don't paste here ...
05:05<jm_>and note this line: Installed: 5:67~pre4
05:06<jm_>which is the version on
05:06<ottoshmidt_>and why is my kde version 4.4.5?
05:06<qwer>jm_: thanks for the help
05:07<jm_>possibly you haven't installed all updated packages
05:07<jm_>qwer: no worries
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05:09<ottoshmidt_>jm_, I should have chosen experimental-snapshots as preferred dist
05:09<ottoshmidt_>from synaptic settings
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05:09<jm_>ottoshmidt_: no, not if you don't understand what implications this has
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05:10<mdvs>hi all! ^^
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05:11<ottoshmidt_>jm_, I know that it can bring unwanted packages from experimental
05:11<mdvs>ah ha
05:11<costas>ottoshmidt, it's a common newbie mistake to install libs from testing or experimental and then your system becomes unstable...
05:11<mdvs>Test 1
05:11<mdvs>test 2
05:12<jm_>ottoshmidt_: from experimental-snapshots on, not from the experimental
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05:13<ottoshmidt_>i see
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05:13<ottoshmidt_>that's actually what I want, I want to upgrade kde
05:14<ottoshmidt_>costas, I am not a newbie in debian
05:14<jm_>but it means packages from regular debian mirrors will not be considered
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05:14<ottoshmidt_>jm_, I will reset to testing once upgraded kde
05:14<dpkg>K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (, see also <kde_trouble>. KDE-related IRC channels:
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05:15<ottoshmidt_>i want to have gnome and kde both installed
05:16<ottoshmidt_>just want to learn how to switch between kdm and gdm on startup
05:16<jm_>you only need kdm and gdm for this, not entire gnome
05:16<daemonkeeper>You don't need both, KDM and GDM. Either one can load the other desktop.
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05:17<ottoshmidt_>oh I see
05:17<jm_>but yes, if you mean switch which desktop to use, the most DM-s will let you choose it when you login
05:19<ottoshmidt_>yes I do
05:19<ottoshmidt_>i guess I will stick to gdm3
05:19<ottoshmidt_>but not sure yet
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05:20<costas>and yeah you are a newbie ottoshmidt , but it's allright we like newbies 8-D
05:21<ottoshmidt_>costas, don't know according to what you qualify newbies and non-newbies but
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05:21<ottoshmidt_>most of the times I would the way out :P
05:22<ottoshmidt_>I meant I would know the way out
05:22<costas>about your question gdm3 can handle all your window manager needs, I'll stick with fluxbox, nice and fast
05:23<costas>!beer dpkg
05:23*dpkg pulls out an excellent Green Flash IPA for dpkg
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05:24<ottoshmidt_>costas, I am not used to fluxbox
05:25<costas>gnome and KDE are too slow for me, but feel free to use what you like
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05:27<ottoshmidt_>costas, I will install and try it as well :P
05:28<ottoshmidt_>and I hate dependencies with = it should be => as often as possible
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05:34<m_pahlevanzadeh>testing repo has problem on dependency
05:34<m_pahlevanzadeh>gnome has dependency problem
05:34<MrFrood>file a bug report
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05:35<costas>!bug report
05:35<dpkg>used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>.
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05:35<iceman>#join ubuntu-de
05:35<daemonkeeper>You're aware the command character is /?
05:35<MrFrood>iceman: try using a /
05:36<daemonkeeper>But: There is no !list here, and #ubuntu(-de) is in Freenode afaict.
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05:37<m_pahlevanzadeh>do you work with wheezy?
05:38<m_pahlevanzadeh>wheezy has problem with gnome
05:38<MrFrood>stable and to an extent testing supported here
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05:48<ayaka>I want to check my disk because I lost some date,but it's home dictory.which shall I use?
05:49<ayaka>JohnDoe, how to check my date
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05:50<phillipsjk>you mean data?
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05:51<ayaka>phillipsjk, some thing in disk
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05:54<JohnDoe>ayaka, what do you mean by "lost"
05:54<JohnDoe>accidentially deleted?
05:54<ayaka>JohnDoe, I don't del it,may cause by power off
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05:55<JohnDoe>you can unmount the directory
05:55<JohnDoe>(if your /home is on another partition)
05:55<JohnDoe>and then run the program photorec to recover deleted/lost files
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05:56<ayaka>JohnDoe, but home is in use
05:56<JohnDoe>is home on a separate partition?
05:57<JohnDoe>the more you use /home, the more likely is your chance that the file is gone
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05:58<costas>!tell ayaka about undelete
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06:00<ayaka>costas, JohnDoe you all take wrong,I declare once again I don't del them by hand.This time cause by power off accident
06:01<grummund>Hi, does anyone knoe what the user group ssh is used for, specifically?
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06:02<ayaka>grummund, ssh
06:02<grummund>is this a suitable group to restrict logins to, or should i create a new group, say 'ssh-login' ?
06:03<ayaka>grummund, in fact you can choose which user can login in trough ssh
06:03<grummund>well of course it's ssh
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06:04<JohnDoe>ayaka, did you even have a file at all?
06:04<ayaka>costas, JohnDoe maybe I need disk check(check the wrong node?)
06:05<JohnDoe>a power-off usually doesn't damage the hard drive
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06:05<MrFrood>!tell phillipsjk about gopher
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06:06<JohnDoe>you have not explained what happaned to you, yet. What's "date" - did you have a already saved file in your home directory or not?
06:06<ayaka>JohnDoe, in fact,I often see /dev/sda5(my home) recivering
06:07<ayaka>JohnDoe, the data is a film,it in there for somtime
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06:08<JohnDoe>so unmount /dev/sda5 and run photorec, and tell photorec to recover only AVI files or whatever your movie was
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06:08<JohnDoe>if you can't afford to unmount it, then keep it mounted but still run photorec as root, and create a directory for the recovered files anywhere except on /dev/sda5
06:09<ayaka>JohnDoe, *mkv
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06:10<ayaka>JohnDoe, I need more things,I'm afraid there is somthing wrong with my part, I don't know how to say that in linux way,but in m$ it call disk check(chkdsk)
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06:13<JohnDoe>it's called fsck in Linux, but I recommend to recover first
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06:14<JohnDoe>but as you're still using your /home directory (which you should have unmounted immediately after noticing that a file is missing), you're ruining your chance for recovery
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06:15<ayaka>JohnDoe, I see I shall recover first then use fsck,I have parted magic live cd,I will check there
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06:18<JohnDoe>the longer you use /home, the more data gets written to the partition, and your chance of recovering the complete file decreases
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06:21<ayaka>JohnDoe, costas thank both of you
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06:39<quietone>hide, when I login in the desktop does not start. I am not sure how to fix or where to read..
06:39<jm_>quietone: check if there's anything in ~/.xsession-errors
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06:41<quietone>Window manager warning: Fatal IO error 11 (Resouece temporarily unavailable) on display ':0'
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06:43<quietone>jm_, I restarted gdm and now it is - "/etc/gdm3/Xsession: Begining session setup ..."
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06:45<jm_>quietone: check with pstree -l which process is a child process of it
06:46<quietone>jm_, that's pretty, what am I looking for
06:47<jm_>quietone: well which is the last process spawned?
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06:50<quietone>jm_, I don't know how to determine which is the last one spawned
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06:54<jm_>quietone: don't you see a line below Xorg one with several processes?
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06:59<quietone>jm_, yes, Xorg then below is 'gdm-session-wor---x-window-manage---ssh-agent' and '{gdm-simple-sla}'
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07:01<jm_>quietone: what is your x-window-manager set to?
07:01<quietone>jm_, sorry don't know what you mean.
07:01<jm_>quietone: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
07:02<ompaul>petemc: pm?
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07:03<quietone>jm_, /usr/bin/metacity and /usr/bin/twm
07:03<jm_>quietone: which one has * set, metacity?
07:04<quietone>jm_, neither
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07:05<jm_>quietone: ok, it doesn't show which is the default, no idea why I remember that it does; did you try setting x-session-manager?
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07:05<jm_>alternatively, check what gdm3 has to offer on login screen - it probably lists several options for a session there
07:06<quietone>jm_, I don't know X. don't know how to set an x-session-manager
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07:07<jm_>quietone: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager (it's usually worth reading a man page for a command you've seen referenced)
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07:09<quietone>jm_, I agree (I've been trying to keep up)
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07:14<dpkg>methinks galternatives is a GUI to help the system administrator to choose what program should provide a given service using the alternatives system.
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07:28<quietone>jm_, update-alternatives --config x-session manager showed a * with Selection 0, /usr/bin/metacity Prioiry 60 , Status auto. I tried setting it to manual metacity, restart gdm and still got same result. twm behaved the same.
07:30<jm_>quietone: do you have /usr/bin/gnome-session?
07:31<quietone>jm_, yes
07:33<jm_>quietone: wait, I said update-alternatives --config x-session-manager, not update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
07:34<jm_>quietone: I would expect metacity and twm to show up as x-window-manager, let me check the packages
07:34<jm_>yes, they register for x-window-manager
07:39<quietone>jm_, update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-session-manager
07:40<jm_>quietone: which version of debian are you using and what does "dpkg -s gnome-session" say? careful with pasting here
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07:41<quietone>squeeze. Package: gnome-session, Status: unknown ok not-installed, Priority: optional, Section: gnome
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07:45<jm_>ok, try installing it and it will register gnome-session as session manager
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07:52<quietone>jm_, I agree. But I can't get a connection. Neither the wireless or ethernet will connect to my router. (Seems I am very dependent on guis) Searching ...
07:53<jm_>quietone: did you try to ping router's IP? what's your link status with ethernet?
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07:55<quietone>jm_, can't ping my router. I am connected via cat5 cable to it.
07:56<jm_>quietone: do you have ethtool installed?
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07:57<quietone>jm_, no
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07:59<jm_>quietone: ok then at least try to find your machine's IP and router's IP and netmask etc.
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08:06<quietone>jm_, this may be easier, I have gnome-session, gnome-session_common and gnome-session_bin on CD.
08:06<jm_>quietone: ok you can install with dpkg -i foo.deb
08:06<jm_>quietone: or if it's a debian CD you can use apt once you do apt-cdrom add
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08:21<quietone>jm_, gnome-session is installed
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08:21<jm_>quietone: does upadte-alternatives now offer it?
08:22<quietone>jm_, --list shows /usr/bin/gnome-session, --config "there is only one alternative ...."
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08:24<jm_>quietone: yeah that's ok, is it any better if you start it now?
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08:24<quietone>jm_, no change
08:25<jm_>quietone: but did it start gnome-session now? pstree -l
08:25<quietone>jm_, no still don't see it
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08:26<jm_>quietone: wtf, try using startx (you'll probably need startx -- :1)
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08:27<quietone>jm_, second try ...
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08:28<quietone>jm_, Oh my I have a gui!
08:28<jm_>quietone: ok try using a different DM then
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08:30<jm_>or check if gdm3 offers different types of sessions - use debian or default one if it's there
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08:39<quietone>jm_, thank you very much!
08:39<jm_>quietone: no worries
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08:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:46<balazsbela>Hello all. the latest nvidia driver messed up my virtual terminals, all text is shifted down and I can't see anything, it's also split
08:46<balazsbela>how can I set the virtual terminal resolution or mode or something ?
08:46<balazsbela>The driver version is:260.19.44
08:46<cthuluh>get rid of the proprietary driver?
08:47<MrFrood>balazsbela: press the auto-adjust button on your monitor
08:47<balazsbela>dude, I have a laptop
08:47<balazsbela>there is no auto-adjust button
08:47<balazsbela>how can I install the latest driver with dkms ?
08:48<balazsbela>it keeps installing an old one that won't compile with the latest kernel
08:48<MrFrood>so buy a poper computer then :P
08:48<jm_>balazsbela: you can try using xrandr or one of its GUI counterparts to change resolution
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08:48<balazsbela>it's the virtual terminal
08:49<cahoot>does xradnr work well with nvidias driver?
08:49<balazsbela>ctr alt f1
08:49<balazsbela>and it's counterparts, does xrandr effect that ?
08:49<jm_>dkms is installing an old one? m-a does that, but I've never seen dkms do it
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08:49<jm_>no, that sounds like you might be using nouveau and nvidia driver
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08:51<jm_>but do you have nvidia-kernel-dkms version 260 installed?
08:51<jm_>anyway, for console resolution nvidia driver plays no role
08:51<balazsbela>nvidia-kernel-dkms is already the newest version.
08:51<balazsbela>I'm running sid
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08:52<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
08:52<balazsbela>dude, I'm not complaining
08:52<balazsbela>I'm trying to fix it
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08:53<MrFrood>balazsbela: you sure there is no auto-adjust on the fn keys?
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08:54<balazsbela>pretty sure, but it works perfectly, until x starts
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08:54<balazsbela>if I go to recovery mode the terminal looks perfect
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08:54<balazsbela>only when x starts, the problem begins
08:54<balazsbela>I'm pretty sure it's nvidia's fault
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08:55<MrFrood>rollback to an nvidia package?
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08:56<balazsbela>the new kernel won't really work with other nvidia drivers
08:56<balazsbela>they don't compile
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08:57<MrFrood>perils of using sid I guess
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08:59<ayaka>JohnDoe, thank you,well I deled those by my shoking hands
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09:01<JohnDoe>ayaka, did it work?
09:02<JohnDoe>(photorec recovery)
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09:02<ayaka>JohnDoe, yes,having recovered somthing,but breken
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09:07<TCW>is gnome-shell in experimental broken or does just my hardware suck? The display (background) is green, the starters in the activities menu have no icons and the whole system is as slow as 0.01 fps (no kidding)
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09:09<TCW>I have htop in a ssh session, one klick and the CPU goes nuts (100% usage) for the gnome-shell process for several seconds
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09:50<poNgz0r>I just managed to install debian 6
09:50<poNgz0r>During the installation it asked me to install PHP/ SQL etc. etc.
09:50<poNgz0r>is that the same as apache or do i need DirectAdmin to run PHPmyadmin etc. etc
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09:51<petemc>poNgz0r: dpkg -l will list installed packages
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09:52<poNgz0r>Ok sorry for the noob questions
09:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:53<poNgz0r>I am just kinda new to this server things
09:53<Jupero009>este chat que es ingles
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09:54<MrFrood>poNgz0r: PHP/ SQL etc are part of the LAMP stack (the A stands for aphache)
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09:55<poNgz0r>Ok MrFrood
09:55<poNgz0r>How do i access it? Like should do the trick?
09:55<MrFrood>!tell poNgz0r about lamp
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09:57<Jupero009>he masa
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09:57<MrFrood>poNgz0r: best thing is to read the msg from dpkg and the wiki page and ome back with any questions
09:57<ayaka>there is somthing wrong with our archive manager,I'm sure I have installed unrar and p7zip-rar,but it can't open a file but 7zip can(wine)
09:57<poNgz0r>yeah i am reading it up now
09:57<Jupero009>no entender
09:57<Jupero009>soy spanish
09:57<Masa>hello, I am looking to build a new system. AMD / ATI seems cost efficient but I know driver support for ATI has been bad in the past. have things changed, do you have any opinion about this matter
09:58<MrFrood>ayaka: have you installed the non-free unrar?
09:58<ayaka>MrFrood, yes
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09:58<MrFrood>ayaka: no idea then
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09:58<ayaka>MrFrood, some rar is normal
09:58<Jupero009>soy español
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09:59<Jupero009>quien me entiende
09:59<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:59<poNgz0r>Ok but i think i am getting more confused now
09:59<ayaka>MrFrood, I wonder how know what language he said
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10:00<MrFrood>ayaka: a guess :P
10:00<poNgz0r>All i want to know is, what is that PHP SQL thing that is installed? I used to have XAMPP where you can just had a local SQL/ PHPmyadmin, i want this on my server
10:00<poNgz0r>So i can host my own website
10:01<MrFrood>That's pretty much LAMP
10:01<ayaka>MrFrood, well,in fact as a chinese I only know english is write by abc
10:01<musix>hola habla hispana
10:01<musix>help me
10:01<MrFrood>!ops musix Jupero009
10:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: mrfrood complains about: musix Jupero009
10:01<ayaka>Jupero009, don't be crazy
10:02<poNgz0r>Ok but MrFood, what i dont understand is, do i have it now? Because i want to run DirectAdmin on Debian 6 and with DA comes PHPmyadmin/ SQL/ Apache and i dont want it double installed for problems
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10:02<Jupero009>no lo entiendo
10:03<MrFrood>ayaka: if it's any consolation I doubt if I could tell the differance between japenese and chinese text
10:03<poNgz0r>I just did a clean install without graphic interface
10:03<musix>hello nesesito help on installing it repsitorios as music flash install linux
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10:03<ayaka>musix, you need flash-nonfree?gnash?
10:03<MrFrood>!tell musix about flash
10:04<MrFrood>poNgz0r: perfect server set up
10:04<musix>or any forum where I am now facing in Spanish psando my words for a translator does not understand the English I'm from Argentina
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10:05<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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10:06<musix>ok grax
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10:15<Jupero009> lol
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10:36<freeman6>hi, what is the most sophisticated method to have one's BIOS the correct time (and date)?
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10:37<rpetre>the _most_ sophisticated?
10:37<rpetre>dunno, hardwire an atomic clock on your motherboard?
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10:37<freeman6>^^ desktop okay, but not for smartphone
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10:40<freeman6>maybe just ntpd...
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10:42<SynrG>freeman6: clarify your goal here
10:43<SynrG>some might consider ntpd to needlessly tie up resources and cause network chatter, opting instead for something that synchronizes at longer intervals
10:43<freeman6><SynrG>: I want to have the correct time on all my UNIX systems (Debian stable, Debian unstable and Android (CyanogenMod))
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10:44<SynrG>to what degree of accuracy?
10:44<freeman6><SynrG>: How do you make sure that your BIOS time is correct UTC time?
10:44<freeman6>like 0.5 sec accuracy
10:44<cthuluh>freeman6: if you have a smartphone then you probably have a GPS, and GPS can give you a precise time
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10:45<cthuluh>anyway, not sure if I get how it is debian related
10:45<freeman6><cthuluh>: I do not want to enable GPS when not using navigation applications
10:45<rpetre>0.5sec is waaay more tolerant than a daily ntp sync cand give you
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10:46<freeman6><rpetre>: I am not sure if it is good to have the time changed each day, is it?
10:46<SynrG>ntpd is a fairly standard approach here. as i said, synchronizing at a longer interval may suit some people better
10:46<SynrG>depends on how much your clocks drift
10:46<SynrG>with little drift, less frequent adjustment is needed
10:47<rpetre>freeman6: the ntp daemon can adjust your clock rate until it is in sync
10:47<freeman6><SynrG>: makes sense... will have a check on that
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10:47<freeman6>ntpd can change the BIOS time?
10:47<SynrG>ntpd does need you to sync up the time initially to an accurate value
10:48<SynrG>thereafter, it makes continuous tiny adjustments to prevent drift
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10:49<freeman6><SynrG>: Don't you think that it can end in trouble when having the clock adjusted on a daily basis?
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10:51<freeman6><SynrG>: for example if the clock goes too fast. A program does something, clock is set to 1/10 sec earlier, the program does something else and in the logs it looks like the think the program did before had been done later
10:51<freeman6>*think = thing
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10:52<SynrG>if the drift is that bad, it could cause some subtle problems. in my experience, such problems on unsynchronized (or infrequently synchronized) systems are rare.
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10:52<freeman6><SynrG>: How often is your daemon correcting the time?
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10:53<SynrG>on my netbook, each time the network is re-established
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10:53<SynrG>i have /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate
10:54<SynrG>for a machine that spends lots of time offline, this makes more sense than continuously making adjustments
10:54<SynrG>because in the absence of a network, ntpd can't do its job
10:55<freeman6>how can ntpd do its job when offline?
10:55<SynrG>isn't that what i just said? :)
10:55<SynrG>it can't
10:55<freeman6>I didn't understand it :)
10:56<SynrG>the ntpdate hook in if-up.d syncs the clock only when the network is brought up
10:56<freeman6>I will just use ntp
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10:57<SynrG>since i disconnect/reconnect multiple times daily, it is synced frequently enough to keep the clock at a "reasonably accurate" value all the time
10:57<freeman6>sounds good; I think I will have corrected the time on a weekly basis or the like
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10:57<valdyn>SynrG: for you theres adjtimex
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10:57<SynrG>for continuously connected systems, i just use ntpd
10:58<valdyn>SynrG: while using ntpdate on a running system can be dangerous
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11:00<freeman6><valdyn>: So how do you cope with it?
11:00<freeman6>ah you mean ntpdate, not ntpd
11:00<valdyn>freeman6: yes
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11:03<SynrG>i see. hmm. well, i will do that, then
11:04<freeman6><SynrG>: Do what?
11:04<SynrG>what valdyn suggests. use adjtimex
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11:06<freeman6><SynrG>: As far as I have read the doc, adjtimex is for systems that are rarely connected to a network
11:06<valdyn>freeman6: what rarely means depends on your actual drift
11:08<freeman6><valdyn>: does this software measure the drift to guess the correct time after having been off for months or even years?
11:09<SynrG>freeman6: my system spends at least two 30 minute periods either entirely offline or else only occasionally online a day during workdays
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11:09<SynrG>the morning and evening commutes
11:10<valdyn>freeman6: I dont know how exaclty it will work, one year off can mean days of drift or seconds, systems are just very unreliable
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11:11<freeman6><valdyn>: That's what I mean; since drifts can heavily vary good software would measure the drift to guess the correct after having been offline for an arbitrary amount of time
11:11<valdyn>freeman6: yea
11:12<aussa>hi, I can see youtube videos, but I can't see vimeo videos, what could be the problem?
11:12<valdyn>SynrG: you can just keep ntpd too
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11:12<valdyn>aussa: maybe youre not using adobe flash
11:13<aussa>so, should I uninstall gnash, and install flash-plugin?
11:13<valdyn>aussa: yes
11:13<aussa>ok, ty
11:13<freeman6><valdyn>: didn't you advice adjtimex before?
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11:14<valdyn>freeman6: yea, because contrary to ntpdate its not dangerous
11:14<valdyn>freeman6: but if hes connected daily then ntpd can do its work just aswell
11:15<valdyn>freeman6: assuming his drift isnt huge, obviously
11:15<SynrG>valdyn: hm. ntpd + adjtimex is fine?
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11:15<valdyn>SynrG: yea
11:15<tidux>I'm having a serious problem with udev
11:16<tidux>here's a screenshot
11:16<freeman6>don't those tools compete?
11:16<tidux>note the "0 batteries" (this is a laptop) and "0 CPUs"
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11:17<valdyn>freeman6: when hes offline, ntpd cant do anything, when hes online they will "compete" but thats not bad
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11:20<valdyn>tidux: where is udev involved in that?
11:20<jhutchins_lt>!sid udev
11:20<dpkg>udev 167-1 in sid is currently broken, because it tries to use /run created by base-files 6.2 which is not yet supported by the initscripts version in sid. Downgrade udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1 and remove /run to fix it. Install <apt-listbugs> and see #620995, #620191, #621036 and for details.
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11:20<tidux>this is in Wheezy
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11:21<valdyn>jhutchins_lt: he does not have any udev issues
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11:21<Prins>Hello dear Debian people.
11:21<Prins>I have a little question. I have a Linux server, would it be possible for me to install a program on it, which would allow me to connect to it (like ssh), but with a GUI instead?
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11:21<Prins>If you understand what I mean? :)
11:21<tidux>Prins: VNC
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11:22<tidux>heck, ssh with the -X option will let you run remotely one window at a time
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11:22<melbogia>How does one use nsupdate to add an ipv6 record?
11:23<melbogia>update add hostname 14400 aaaa x.x.x.x.x.x.x.x
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11:23<melbogia>is that not right?
11:23<melbogia>i get this error "could not find enclosing zone"
11:23<Prins>tidux: What GUI would I install in order to make VNC work?
11:24<tidux>it doesn't matter
11:24<tidux>just install a VNC server and the WM/DE of your choice
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11:24<Prins>Would Gnome work? :)
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11:25<tidux>11:22 < tidux> just install a VNC server and the WM/DE of your choice
11:25<tidux>of course it would
11:25<tidux>it *doesn't matter* what Desktop Environment or Window Manager you use
11:25<tidux>just use what you like
11:26<tidux>although if this is a server you might want to use something less... hefty
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11:26<tidux>to save resources for the actual server processes
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11:27<Prins>Hmm.. Well, that sounds reasonable. But the fact is, I only know of Gnome :) Do you know any less ressource demanding WM/DE's?
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11:28<kop>Prins: Unless you trust your network you'll want to tunnel vnc through something. It's not secure. FYI.
11:28<antonio_>i installed debian and i test the ati hd 5650 playing quake, and it run very slowwwww!
11:28<kop>Prins: lxde is lightweight. blackbox, twm. The list goes on.
11:28<antonio_>what ati driver are installed by default on squeeze
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11:29<kop>antonio_: Type "lspci -nn" and tell us the pciid for the card, which looks like [xxxx:yyyy].
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11:30<Prins>Hmm, kop & tidux - Thanks for the support. I have just come to the conclusion that it is probably a bad idea anyway :)
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11:31<Prins>I mean it's not like I have a huge need for a GUI for my server.. And it takes up ressources
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11:31<tidux>what are you using the server for?
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11:31<kop>Prins: Well, it should swap out when not in use. (Except gnome, when logged in, likes to look around for things that changed and notify you.)
11:32<antonio_>it is 1002:68c1
11:32<kop>Prins: But really, there's little point in having a gui. The command line is faster and config files are text and you can document things in them.
11:32<kop>,pciid [1002:68c1]
11:32<judd>[1002:68c1] is 'Madison [AMD Radeon HD 5000M Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
11:32<Prins>kop: Yeah, exactly. I'll just stick with the command line :)
11:33<Prins>But thanks for your help :)
11:33<tidux>any idea when the new version of initscripts is hitting Wheezy?
11:33<kop>antonio_: So, the free driver is "radeon". the non-fre snd-hda-intel. Or so it seems
11:33<kop>tidux: Because new stuff always goes in until the freeze?
11:34<antonio_>by default are the free driver installed?
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11:34<tidux>kop: what?
11:34<antonio_>kop how can i see what driver are installed?
11:34<tidux>I was asking *when* the new version of initscripts is hitting Testing to fix my udev woes
11:35<kop>antonio_: You can type "lsmod" to list loaded kernel modules. Or "aptitude search ~ivideo" comes up with a list of installed drivers, along with other stuff.
11:36<antonio_>i get radeon , so i free driver are installed
11:36<Prins>Umm. Question: What is Cloud computing?
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11:37<tidux>basically a "cloud" is a cluster running a bunch of virtual machines
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11:37<Prins>And then you connect to the Cloud
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11:38<kop>antonio_: It may or may not perform nicely. I'm not up on it. Others might know more.
11:38<Prins>And then the computer, files etc. is actually the cloud?
11:38<tidux>Prins: slow down there
11:38<tidux>it's just a crapload of virtual servers
11:39<tidux>and the implication of "cloud" is "hosted by somebody else"
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11:39<Prins>I have a virtual private server, is that on a cloud aswell?
11:39<tidux>hard to say
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11:39<tidux>"cloud" is just a buzzword
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11:39<tidux>it has no technical definition
11:39<tidux>you have a VPS
11:39<tidux>that's all
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11:40<tidux>aw crap, battery's dying
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11:48<Lanz>Hey everyone. I'm having trouble installing Debian testing (daily built) on an ASUS P8P67 motherboard (i5 2500k, GeForce 580, OCZ Vertex 2, 4GB DDR3-1600). I get a kernel panic immediately after booting the installer. What should I do?
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11:50<ompaul>Lanz: you only ask on one irc server - most people who will help you are on both ;-)
11:51<ayaka>Laney, may be you should check you iso first
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11:59<squidly>wow that is all I can say
12:00<Prins>I've been wondering for a long time. What are the main differences between Debian & Ubuntu?
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12:02<cahoot>in short: stability - /msg dpkg why debian
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12:02<squidly>oh wow
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12:03<ompaul>Prins: ^^ that /msg dpkg why debian is for you ;-)
12:03<cahoot>the first part too
12:03<Prins>I know, I've seen it :) I'm reading up on those links dpkg gave me :)
12:03<ansgar>Prins: Support also differs. Ubuntu supports less packages, but for a longer time (for LTS versions at least).
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12:06<ayaka>Prins, ubuntu is more easy to use,linux kernel distrabution is very silimar
12:07<Prins>Hmm. Alrite :)
12:07<ayaka>Prins, but ubuntu is also unstate
12:07<Prins>I was just wondering, because I have a laptop with Ubuntu installed and a server running Debian.. And I like both of them :)
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12:10<ayaka>Prins, unstable, I'm sorry,I'm a natibe English speaker,I came from ubuntu 1 year again
12:10<Prins>Ah okay
12:10<Prins>I haven't noticed that Ubuntu is unstable. It might be as server software, but I would anyway go with Debian for a server anytime :)
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12:11<ayaka>Prins, home is the same,I can't bear it(but it much better than m$)
12:11<ompaul>Prins: however rule of thumb. #debian will tell you debian is best, and #ubuntu won't agree, so be agreeable and agree with #debian ;-)
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12:13<Prins>I tried opening the Terminal on my laptop with Ubuntu Desktop software. I typed in man dpkg and it actually came up saying "dpkg - package manager for Debian". I'd said that's a fail for the Ubuntu side ;-)
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12:14<ayaka>ompaul, they both have disadvatages and advantages
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12:14<ompaul>ayaka: like most things in life, and debian sorts out most of mine ;-)
12:14<ayaka>debian sorts out most of mine?
12:15<cahoot>anywy the subject is perennial and off-topic
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12:15<ayaka>ok,I'll stop here.I'm in offtopic
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12:26<Prins>What is it exactly that #debian is? And when should you go to #debian-offtopic ?
12:27<XayOn>Prins: Nah, dpkg is the package manager for debian, ubuntu is just borrowing it.
12:27<daemonkeeper>On topic here is every support question about Debian Stable and limited for Testing and even more limited for Unstable. #debian-offtopic is for everything else, including political discussions about free software and general chit chat.
12:28<Prins>daemonkeeper: Thank you very much.
12:28<Prins>XayOn: Yeah, that must be a fail for Ubuntu, that they have to borrow dpkg :)
12:28<XayOn>Ubuntu is almost all borrowed from debian, after all
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12:29<Prins>Therefore: Debian > Ubuntu :D
12:30<daemonkeeper>See, /this/ is an example of an off topic disucussion
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12:31<Prins>daemonkeeper: I know. Sorry
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12:35<AntonioBlob>hi, when i press ctrl-alt-f1 the screen remain black
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12:36<ayaka>AntonioBlob, of course
12:36<AntonioBlob>yes but i want the console
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12:36<ayaka>AntonioBlob, then press alt+7 return bacl
12:36<AntonioBlob>it doensnt return back
12:37<AntonioBlob>the screen is black until i restart with ctrl-alt-canc
12:37<ayaka>AntonioBlob, then press alt+f7 return bacl
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12:37<AntonioBlob>ayaka doesnt work
12:38<ayaka>AntonioBlob, really?then can you login in the black(it call tty)
12:38<AntonioBlob>no i cant login
12:38<Prins>I just pressed Ctrl-alt-F1 to see what happens, and then I was screwed :D
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12:39<AntonioBlob>i am not a noob
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12:39<ayaka>AntonioBlob, hard to you see some word like Debian linux in black?
12:40<AntonioBlob>ayaka is black
12:41<AntonioBlob>no text, no prompt, nothing
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12:41<ayaka>AntonioBlob, no idea
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12:45<Prins>AntonioBlob: About that screen being all black:
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12:48<roman>Hello! Please answerб, how i can know where be found "apache2"?
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12:50<ayaka>roman, aptitube
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12:52<roman>explain how? I'm beginer.
12:53<ayaka>roman, to install is,aptitube install apache2
12:54<roman>How i can kow where be found "apache2" on local computer? Apache is instaled.
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12:54<ayaka>roman, /usr/bin
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12:56<roman>In this folder empty.
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12:58<melbogia>Can I downgrade from wheezy to squeeze?
12:59<ayaka>roman, hard to think,this folder should full of escuable
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13:00<unixabg>Greetings, where is best place to put environmental variables for X applications for all users?
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13:01<ayaka>unixabg, /usr/local/bin, just my idea
13:02<roman>This folder(user/bin) have not apache2 or httpd. But apache is running
13:02<ayaka>roman, no I said /usr/bin usr!!
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13:03<unixabg>ayaka: I wanted to avoid adding them to a specific application but I could.
13:03<unixabg>I was thinking maybe gdm had some magic place to put them.
13:04<ayaka>unixabg, I'm sorry I don't know, I take wrong stick of your problem
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13:12<quant>hi, I can't boot Debian Wheezy with the 2.6.38 kernel (during boot the screen goes and stays black until a hard reset), all works well with the old 2.6.32 kernel (Athlon X2 5000+, Radeon 3650 HD), fresh install
13:13<quant>can anyone help, please?
13:14<roman>I can find, but i find folder with apache2 in the folder /usr/lib/apache2/mpm-prefork
13:16<ayaka>roman, I'm sorry,it in /usr/sbin/apache2,type whereis apache2
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13:19<Prins>Is it possible to have two different desktop environments installed (KDE & Gnome), and how do you switch between them?
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13:20<ayaka>Prins, when you login
13:20<JohnDoe>Prins, 1) yes without any problem just install the kde/gnome packages 2) at the login manager
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13:20<Prins>JohnDoe: Thanks pal :)
13:20<melbogia>Is it possible downgrade from wheezy to squeeze?
13:20<melbogia>to* downgrade
13:21<AntonioBlob>how can i solve the black screen after ctrl-alt-f1??
13:21<AntonioBlob>i have grub 2 installed
13:21<daemonkeeper>melbogia: no
13:21<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
13:21<melbogia>daemonkeeper: thanks
13:22<ayaka>AntonioBlob, cat /etc/inittab
13:22<daemonkeeper>Note this does not mean you couldn't. It is just not supported in any way and you may damage your system seriously.
13:24<AntonioBlob>my inittab
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13:26<ayaka>AntonioBlob, you boot to single user mode, of course?
13:28<AntonioBlob>no it is multi user
13:29<AntonioBlob>i try with the solution in the previus forum, it it doenst work i install ubuntu
13:29<ayaka>AntonioBlob, no ideo,you even can't login tty
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13:29<AntonioBlob>no i cant login
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13:34<AntonioBlob>it does not worked
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13:35<AntonioBlob>i must install ubuntu
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13:35<MasterSuvX>Ubuntu is cool :D
13:35<ayaka>AntonioBlob, login in in the black?
13:35<ayaka>AntonioBlob, don't abandon at once, I came from ubuntu to debian
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13:36<AntonioBlob>debian is not stable like ubuntu
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13:36<MasterSuvX>No it isn't
13:36<MasterSuvX>Debian sux
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13:36<daemonkeeper>Anyway no one is interested in this discussion over here
13:37<AntonioBlob>no deosnt sux
13:37<ompaul>game over - you both came here to have fun, we didn't laugh. Goodbye!
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13:38<AntonioBlob>i cant install the ati driver because i get this bug
13:38<ayaka>sux?mean what
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13:39<MasterSuvX>I'm new here, I'm confused D:
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13:39<JohnDoe>AntonioBlob, use the fglrx driver that comes with debian (non-free repository I think)
13:40<AntonioBlob>the driver installed now it sucks
13:40<ayaka>AntonioBlob, can you login in the black
13:40<AntonioBlob>quake is slowww
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13:40<AntonioBlob>10 fps
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13:40<AntonioBlob>i have an hd 5650, cpu i7
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13:41<dvs>AntonioBlob: Did you install the firmware-linux-nonfree package?
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13:41<AntonioBlob>the driver is free now, im installing the ati proprietary driver, but i cannot stop gdm3
13:42<AntonioBlob>dvs yes
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13:42<ayaka>daemonkeeper, you know AntonioBlob 's prblem, but tty don't need non-free driver isn't it?
13:42<AntonioBlob>the problem is if i stop gdm or try to access with ctrl alt f1 i get black screen and i must restart
13:42<daemonkeeper>ayaka: ?
13:42<ayaka>AntonioBlob, /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop
13:43<AntonioBlob>ayaka i get black screen, i must restart afeter this command
13:43<dvs>AntonioBlob: Oh, it doesn't have the firmare for the HD 56xx series.
13:44<ayaka>daemonkeeper, I don't know what is AntonioBlob problem.Can login in and return back to X in tty or can't instal driver
13:44<AntonioBlob>dvs link
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13:44<daemonkeeper>ayaka: I have no clue what you're talking about
13:45<chealer>ayaka: of course not
13:45<AntonioBlob>it is a 5600 family
13:45<ayaka>daemonkeeper, ok, just ingore me,oh my poor english only cause other's trouble,I'm sorry
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13:47<Prins>I'm trying to pick a version of Debian to create a Live CD. I have come across the page where I'm supposed to pick between "amd64, armel, i386" etc.. AFAIK amd64 is 64 bit system and i386 is 32 bit.. But what are the rest ?
13:47<chealer>dvs: why, it says Radeon HD 5500/5600-family ME microcode
13:48*dvs look again
13:48<Hydroxide>Prins: the others are for other types of computers that aren't typical PCs that people would have in their home, like Intel or AMD laptops or desktops
13:48<Osiris_X>I have to turn tcp segmentation offload off for my e1000 network card using - sudo ethtool -K tso off - how do I do this permanently or automatically at boot time?
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13:48<Prins>Also: When I pick i386, I'm transfered to a site with a million links saying "debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1.iso" CD-2, CD-3 etc. Am I supposed to download all of them?
13:49<dvs>chealer: Oh, why is it listed off by itself?
13:49<Hydroxide>Prins: for example, armel is used on various mobile phones and s390 is used on some expensive mainframes
13:49<Prins>Hydroxide: Oh okay
13:49<Prins>I have also picked i386
13:49<AntonioBlob>ayaka i dont know if driver works because i cant complete the installation, cause this bug of black screen on gdm stop
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13:49<ayaka>Prins, cd1 cab boot
13:49<ayaka>AntonioBlob, install driver must stop X first
13:50<chealer>dvs: I don't understand what you mean by listed off by itself
13:50<ayaka>AntonioBlob, grafic driver
13:50<AntonioBlob>ayaka i cannot stop gdm
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13:50<dvs>chealer: The 5400, 5800, 5700 are all listed together, but the 5500 and 5600 are elsewhere on the list.
13:50<ayaka>AntonioBlob, you can try to boot into recover mode
13:51<AntonioBlob>oh yes i will try
13:51<chealer>Prins: it depends on what you want to do, but these are not live CDs
13:51<chealer>!tell Prins about live
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13:52<Prins>chealer: Thanks, I found the Live CD iso's
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13:52<chealer>dvs: it appears to be by alphabetical order of firmware files
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13:52<dvs>O I C
13:53<chealer>Prins: see
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13:55<rhada>Hello I have installed inn2 news server on debian squeeze and have configured it , not so well as I get some error messages i thought that if you install with apt then all directories /files are created?
13:55<ayaka>chealer, but moblie can't run linux even it's arm?
13:55<antonio_>ayaka i love you!!!
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13:56<antonio_>i have installed the driver and
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13:56<antonio_>quake is faster
13:56<antonio_>recovery mode worked
13:57<ayaka>anoteng, ok,then does tty work in normal mode?
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14:00<chealer>ayaka: I don't know if I understand you well, but running on a machine doesn't mean being adapted to that machine's features.
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14:00<chealer>ARM devices generally can run Debian
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14:00<ayaka>chealer, I care how to install it
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14:01<AntonioBlob>ayaka now ctrl-alt-f1 works too
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14:02<chealer>ayaka: sorry, I don't understand what you just said. what that a question?
14:02<ayaka>AntonioBlob, ok,I'm sorry take you lots of time to solve the problem.And I'm a body,love is too~~~~~~``
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14:03<ayaka>chealer, how to install in a arm mobile
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14:04<chealer>ayaka: depends, did you check the installer manual?
14:04<ayaka>daemonkeeper, then can you what cause AntonioBlob can't login in tty?
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14:05<ayaka>chealer, well,can you think boot a phone like a PC
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14:08<chealer>ayaka: hum depends on the phone, how would you install any OS on that phone?
14:09<ayaka>chealer, If a mobile can run linux, I'll choose it
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14:16<freeman6>I am a little pissed right now... Am I right that there is no notebook out there in the wild without Windows, a non-glare display and i5 CPU???
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14:17<devil>freeman6: how about TPs?
14:18<freeman6><devil>: I have not looked on websites of specific manufacturers. Just different retailers
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14:19<freeman6>good link :)
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14:19<freeman6>are there only these five lines of notebooks?
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14:23<cahoot>freeman6: here are a few more links:
14:24<ayaka>freeman6, what about ePC
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14:26<freeman6>I need a 15.x inch laptop (not from ASUS)
14:27<freeman6>it seems impossible to find a notebook that costs below 1000$ without Windows, a Core i5 CPU and a non-glare display... It's so horrible that they are all shipped with Windows..
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14:30<JohnDoe>freeman6, there are enough HP ones
14:30<JohnDoe>with non-glare and Linux
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14:32<ayaka>freeman6, 1000$ change to chinese yuan can buy a good one
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14:33<ayaka>but this is offtopic subject,isn't it
14:34<freeman6>a little :) but the other channels are empty...
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14:38<ompaul>freeman6: #debian-offtopic might entertain you, however it is very offtopic for here.
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14:40<freeman6><ompaul>: there are maybe 3 guys in there and all of them afk
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14:40<ompaul>freeman6: I am there as is ayaka and more
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14:51<neli>hello, recently I'm having random crashes of iceweasel, xfce4-panel, X log says: The error was 'BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length erro'. (Details: serial 37526 error_code 16 request_code 153 minor_code 34)
14:52<neli>any idea what could cause it? I've googled but can't find much
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14:53<ayaka>neil, what it cause
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14:54<neli>sorry, what?
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14:55<ayaka>neil, it only show a msg, not cause other things?
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14:56<neli>well, iceweasel disappears randomly, xfce4-panel also disappears, or isn't redrawn anymore
14:56<neli>but I can restart them, and then they "work"
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14:58<ayaka>neli, I'm sorry I have no idea
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14:59<raylu>more troubles with the new .38 kernel in testing/wheezy. i tried installing some other kernels, but sound is broken in all of them besides linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64
14:59<raylu> says to install the right alsa-modules, but i have no such package
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15:00<cahoot>alsa comes with the kernel
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15:00<devil>raylu: does cat /proc/asound/cards return anything?
15:01<raylu>29 [ThinkPadEC ]: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control \n ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30, fw 7VHT12WW-1.01
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15:01<devil>does not look like a soundcard to me
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15:02<cahoot>raylu: what happens if you modprobe snd-hda-intel?
15:02<raylu>FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.38-3.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
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15:02<devil>raylu: and if that dont work, pastebin lsmod | grep snd
15:03<devil>raylu: iiiih, not a nice kernel.
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15:03<raylu>well, it and the others i've tried are all giving me issues
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15:03<devil>i have no soundprobs with any .38 kernel, be it 1,2 or 3
15:04<raylu>nor do i; the problems are only when i install other kernels and they all have the same problem
15:04<raylu>i wonder if it's because i added "options snd_hda_intel beep_mode=2" to modprobe.d
15:04<devil>raylu: find out
15:04<raylu>oh, lol. snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `beep_mode'
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15:09<raylu>oh hey, it even managed to boot on the first try without the power cord plugged in :D
15:09<raylu>now, if only i could fix the kworkers problem
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15:11<Mage>hello all. could i get some assistance configuring some broken packages?
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15:14<devil>Mage: maybe…
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15:15<Mage>devil, well i'm just tryign to update my version of mono so i grabbed the debs from, and i managed ot get them to install, but there were errors reported so it did not configure after the install
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15:16<raylu>dpkg --configure -a, perhaps
15:16<dpkg>raylu: i don't know
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15:18<devil>Mage: why not use apt?
15:19<Mage>raylu, is there a way to have it only run against the packages i installed instead of all packages?
15:19<raylu>it will configure unconfigured ones
15:19<Mage>raylu, oh ok thanks.
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15:20<devil>Mage: you know that installing with dpkg will not fulfill dependencies?
15:20<raylu>but yeah, you should be using apt
15:20<Mage>devil, cause i just needs the debs from the debian repository since they aren't available in my distro
15:20<devil>Mage: pastebin your errors please
15:20<rolnikov>is there any barrier to compile and install 2.6.38 in squeeze ?
15:20<devil>Mage: ok, if 'my distro' is not debian, this is the wrong place to ask
15:21<rolnikov>i've tried this 2 times, using old (2.6.32) config. every time got kenrel panic :(
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15:22<Mage>devil, not even for package management? i wan under the impression that at that level it was the same, unless it's a different type such ar rpms etc
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15:22<devil>Mage: what distro is that?
15:23<Mage>testing out ubuntu again. been kind o fhopping distros lately. opensuse and fedora have them available which made it easy when i was testing those, and apparently debian has packages available, but there are no ppas for mono in ubuntu
15:24<devil>Mage: ubuntu has no mono?
15:24<devil>that would make it sympathetic ;)
15:25<devil>Mage: ubuntu has enough support facilities...
15:25<Mage>devil, it has 2.6, but i am trying to get 2.10. i am trying to learn how to work with things that's why i'm even trying to get it working at all
15:25<jhutchins_lt>rolnikov: Howw do you mean that you used the 32 config?
15:26<rolnikov>cp .config to 2.6.38 directory
15:26<devil>Mage: just one thing, if you use dpkg -i and get errors, apt-get -f install might help
15:26<rolnikov>and compile
15:26<towo`>devil, i would say, it will fail
15:26<devil>towo`: probably
15:27<Mage>rolnikov, oh, i need to copy the source folder to the 2.6 dir? i tried compiling it from the desktop and it failed during checkinstall.
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15:27<devil>and we dont know the errors even
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15:27<Mage>devil, oh that's right let me paste bin the errors it gives me when i try to install
15:27<devil>Mage: nah, dont, wrong channel
15:28<devil>please take it to the ubuntu support
15:28<Mage>devil, ok i guess :/
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15:29<Prins>Do you just copy the .iso to a USB to make it a live usb?
15:30<Prins>And may there be any additional data (unrelated to the .iso file) on the USB?
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15:30<devil>Prins: its not just copying iso to usb
15:30<devil>Prins: if it was, there would be no tools for the job
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15:35<Prins>Any programs to do it for linux? .__.
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15:37<devil>sure, many
15:37<devil>unetbootin and others
15:39<ompaul>devil: got a mo?
15:39<devil>ompaul: sure
15:39<jhutchins_lt>!tell Prins about usb install
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15:42<jhutchins_lt>unetbootin for squeeze has a tendency to install grub on the USB drive, but you just boot with the stick in and install it to the correct device.
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15:44<Prins>Omg. I hate #ubuntu
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15:45<Prins>Anyway - thanks jhutchins_lt. I'm trying to figure out how to make this USB, so I might leave soon
15:47<dvs>devil: Actually, now it is as easy as copying an .iso to a USB.
15:48<devil>dvs: well, cat and dd can do with isolinux
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15:49<dvs>I just don't know what program can do the same thing from Windows.
15:50<devil>well, there is dd for windows afaik
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15:56<dropedrobarr>Hi, Ive installed Debian in English... then afer changing it to spanish, the desktop folder still relies on "Desktop" and not as "Escritorio" as I want to. How can i Fix it?
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15:58<sney>dropedrobarr: if you create a new user, does it have 'desktop' or 'escritorio'?
15:59<dropedrobarr>sney, havent tried with a new user...
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16:00<daemonkeeper>Maybe he wants to install a localized Desktop package, say kde-l10n-de
16:00<daemonkeeper>Gnome may have something similar.
16:00<daemonkeeper>Sorry kde-l10n-es of course
16:00<dropedrobarr>daemonkeeper, im running E17 by the way... i Dont know if that changes something
16:01<daemonkeeper>It does
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16:01<daemonkeeper>Don't know about E17, maybe it includes localized Desktop files
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16:02<dropedrobarr>daemonkeeper, Ive changed the laguage in E17 but still the desktop folder is Desktop... I cant fn ay solution
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16:02<daemonkeeper>Is a (comprehensive) Spanish localization for E17 available at all?
16:02<sney>I think e17 generates those directories when a new user logs in for the first time. try creating a new user
16:03<dropedrobarr>daemonkeeper, I dont know
16:03<kop>Is there a single option to ps I can use to get total vm size or do I have to use -o and write a custom format?
16:03<dropedrobarr>sney, ill try that...
16:04<abcd82>dropedrobarr: you can try making directory "Escritorio" , then edit .config/user-dirs.dirs , change XDG_DESKTOP_DIR to XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Escritorio" , then logoff/login, but better double check this, make backup
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16:04<dropedrobarr>abcd82, lets try that =)
16:06<dropedrobarr>abcd82, amazing it worked :D thanks
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16:07<abcd82>dropedrobarr: dont forget if you change also other directories in .config/user-dirs.dirs , you need to create these directories by yourself, then move contents form old directories to new
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16:08<dropedrobarr>abcd82, of course :D
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16:14<raylu>kop: free -m?
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16:17<phillipsjk>Can you be more specific?
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16:18<kop>raylu: Per process.
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16:56<ompaul>devil: thanks
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17:12<jerryclunsford>My joystick goes to the bottom right corner of the screen when released how can I correct this?
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17:19<kostas>I have a home server with 4 Internal and 3 external hdd(usb) The problem is when reboot. Confuse discs and mounts whatever...Have you any way for mountin every time the same disk to the same path?
17:19<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
17:21<kostas>only on internaals disks can see uuid
17:23<Prins>Is it possible to: Create a disk partition when installing debian?
17:24<^CoreDumper^>kostas: do u re using grub2 ?
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17:24<kostas>^CoreDumper^: yes grub 2
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17:25<^CoreDumper^>grub2 use uuid now
17:25<kostas>^CoreDumper^: i can see uid with blkid
17:25<kostas>^CoreDumper^: how can i bind uuid with mount path?
17:26<^CoreDumper^>in fstab
17:26<^CoreDumper^>use uuid in fstab my friend
17:26<Prins>Next question: How... am I supposed to know what to download from the Debian site? It's quite confusing I have to say..
17:27<kostas>^CoreDumper^: thanks man...i will try now
17:28<babilen>Prins: Whatfor do you want to download anything?
17:28<phillipsjk>Prins: if you have always-on Internet, you probably want the network install CD.
17:28<^CoreDumper^>ok kostas, try with ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
17:28<Prins>babilen: I umm.. Think I've found what I was looking for
17:29<Prins>In here there's three files:
17:29<Marx82>HI guys, I need some help to have flash animations working on my browser
17:29<Prins>I need the iso, I'm aware of that.. But do I need the other two files?
17:29<Marx82>what package should I install
17:29<^CoreDumper^>and put it in your fstab with ur mount path
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17:30<babilen>Prins: That is most likely not what you want. So, you are looking for an install image? Do you have a working (wired) network connection during the installation?
17:30<Prins>babilen: Yes, I do.
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17:30<babilen>!tell Prins about netinstall
17:30<babilen>!tell Prins about firmware image
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17:34<babilen>Prins: ok?
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17:35<Prins>babilen: I might have found the iso I was looking for
17:35<Prins>All the links dpkg gave me was for buying CD's
17:36<Prins>But I have found a netinst cd iso
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17:37<^CoreDumper^>wahts ur problem Prins ?
17:38<Prins>^CoreDumper^: ATM nothing, since I have found an iso to install debian..
17:38<^CoreDumper^>debian install re needing some firmware??
17:40<Prins>I don't think so, no?
17:40<^CoreDumper^>forget it
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17:47<babilen>Prins: Huh? The first link ( lets you download images without firmware and the second goes directly to the download mirror for the images with firmware. I don't understand why you couldn't find the images :-\
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17:53<Prins>babilen: Well, I am downloading the iso from that page :) I just found it another way apparently
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17:54<babilen>Prins: Hmm, ok. I was just wondering how you *couldn't* find the download links on those pages. ;)
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17:55<Prins>Yeah, I don't know either actually :) It's actually done downloading now :)
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17:56<^CoreDumper^>u need debian netinstall iso ??
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17:56<Prins>^CoreDumper^: Yeah
17:56<Prins>babilen: Do you know how much time it'll require to get debian fully installed?
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17:56<Prins>With an average internet connection speed
17:57<Black_Prince>An average speed would be?
17:57<babilen>^^^^ exactly
17:57<Prins>:D No, like umm.. 5-10 MBit/sec
17:57<^CoreDumper^>for 32bit intel
17:57<babilen>That is below average ... I would say 45min - 1 ½h
17:58<babilen>Prins: Which also depends on how fast you are in selecting the options you want and partitioning the harddrive.
17:58<Black_Prince>With my 768KBit/s download speed I installed full gnome within 6hours from netinstall
17:59<^CoreDumper^>use lxde
17:59<Prins>Wow. That's cute slow :D
17:59<Prins>cute = quite*
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17:59<babilen>^CoreDumper^: You are not helping
18:00<Black_Prince>Yeah, I know it's slow :/
18:00<babilen>^CoreDumper^: Because nobody is discussing the choice of desktop environment
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18:01<Black_Prince>Is there some channel that I can ask about some program error (source program, not debian)?
18:01<Prins>Depends on what program it is, I guess?
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18:01<Black_Prince>It's gedit 3.0.0
18:02<^CoreDumper^>gnome is more weighty enviroment than lxde babilen
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18:02<Black_Prince>I asked on #gedit on but none can't answer. I tought I can found here one channel for that. I have debug output
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18:03<Prins>Black_Prince: I was about to give you that channel. But then I'm out of options :) Try searching for the error on Google (if you haven't already)
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18:03<Black_Prince>I try ... No good :/
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18:04<babilen>^CoreDumper^: awesomewm or no xorg is even lighter. I agree that LXDE is a very good choice, but that doesn't mean that gnome is a bad one. All I was saying is that nobody ever asked: What DE do you suggest?
18:04<user01>is there anyway to login to this channel via a web irc like mibbit?
18:04<babilen>user01: mibbit? no afaik
18:04<shlomcom>I tried a few times but got banned for no reason. common prob with mibbit
18:05<Prins>Not with mibbit. Maybe you could create your own web irc chat
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18:05<user01>my company only permits web irc not regular irc
18:05<shlomcom>or mibbit is banned on purpose?
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18:05<user01>mibbit is banned on purpose i think
18:05<^CoreDumper^>but they were talking about the average speed
18:06<user01>just for this channel only
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18:06<shlomcom>uh huh
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18:06<user01>#debian-fr works so ive been asking tech support questions there in french from work :)
18:06<^CoreDumper^>and install all the gnome desktop environment is not a good choice when u dont have a good conection
18:06<^CoreDumper^>or bandwith
18:06<phillipsjk>user01 I suppose telling them Intenrnet != HTTP did not help.
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18:07<user01>phillipsjk, nope, they just wanted to have all irc ports blocked i think
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18:07<shlomcom>someday a client is going to ask me to hose their employees internet access to ports. *shiver*
18:08<babilen>^CoreDumper^: I agree ..
18:08<user01>phillipsjk, and only have irc traffic over port 80 or 447 or whatever it is
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18:09<^CoreDumper^>babilen: sorry, but my english is too rusty
18:09<^CoreDumper^>and isnt good
18:09<phillipsjk>^CoreDumper^, IMO 6 hours is not too bad if you do something else like sleep while you wait.
18:09<babilen>Prins: If you feel more or less comfortable on the command line I personally wouldn't recommend to install the Desktop task, but to install xorg and a desktop environment/window manager of your choice *after* the install. That allows you to choose a smaller gnome metapackage such as gnome-session or gnome-core for example. ; /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install x ; /msg dpkg install lxde
18:10<shlomcom>^CoreDumper^ - probably someone asked, but what is your connection speed?
18:10<babilen>^CoreDumper^: What is your native language?
18:10<user01>i should really get around to upgrading to squeeze on this laptop, it has been so stable on lenny though
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18:11<babilen>user01: Well, you have a couple of months with support left. Make sure you follow the release notes when you upgrade. I would recommend to do it asap
18:11<^CoreDumper^>my connection speed?
18:11<^CoreDumper^>shlomcom: do u want to know what's my connection speed is?
18:12<^CoreDumper^>i have multi isp
18:12<user01>babilen, i have squeeze in my vm at work, and it looks nice, i installed the backport of iceweasel 4 and it was really fast but im not sure how stable that is
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18:12<shlomcom>someone was implying you would take 6 hours to download something
18:12<^CoreDumper^>3mb cable and 1mb adsl
18:12<babilen>user01: Squeeze or the backported IW?
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18:13<Prins>babilen: Hmm. Well... I am rather comfortable with the command line. But I don't know how I would get around doing that.. Do you choose whether or not to install a DE when you're installing Debian?
18:13<phillipsjk>shlomcom, was reference to somebody's 768kbit connection.
18:13<user01>user01, backported IW, debian stable is usually always fast :) though im not sure if it is as fast as lenny
18:13<shlomcom>that's pretty nice by the way. you have them load-balanced on your linux box?
18:13<^CoreDumper^>iceweasel consume too much cpu
18:13<^CoreDumper^>chromium is better
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18:14<shlomcom>ah, embarrassed.
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18:14<user01>^CoreDumper^, eh i like all the addons in IW
18:14<babilen>Prins: Yes, when you install the Desktop task Gnome will be installed, unless you chose a different one before. The problem with that gnome installation is that it is *way* too large for my taste as I like to only add things I know I need. YMMV
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18:14<babilen>Prins: You can also install LXDE,XFCE or KDE if that is rather to your liking.
18:14<raylu>user01: speaking of which, what's the best way to get 4.x in testing?
18:15<Prins>babilen: Is it possible to install both Gnome and KDE?
18:15<raylu>Prins: yes
18:15<Prins>babilen: Yeah, I know I can always add one of them afterwards, but is it possible with the debian installer?
18:15<user01>raylu, i used this
18:15<Prins>like from default?
18:15<babilen>Prins: Sure, but you have to install one after the initial installation. You can install as many desktop environments and window managers as you please.
18:15<^CoreDumper^>not kdm and gdm3
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18:16<^CoreDumper^>but u can get all desktop's managers and windows managers
18:16<Prins>babilen: Yeah, I know :) Okay, great. Umm, I can't tell you whether I don't like the Gnome default installation or not, since I've never seen the gnome.core only
18:16<raylu>user01: holy. htanks
18:17<babilen>Prins: It is not really about liking but rather about downloading a bunch of unwanted packages. I like my system to be frugal -- The default installation is everyhting-and-the-kitchen-sink ...
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18:17<user01>there are so many good wikis out there these days it was really frustrating for me in the days of potato i think i was
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18:17<babilen>Prins: But you *can* remove things later on too .. that is a *bit* tricky but doable.
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18:19<user01>babilen, i always like to start again from scratch on my laptop, but i think i partitioned everything perfectly this last time :)
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18:20<babilen>user01: Upgrade ... If you don't like it you can still start from scratch. I personally don't see the reason for a new install.
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18:21<user01>babilen, im always afraid there might be unused config files sitting around or something
18:21<user01>babilen, i also probably installed a lot of stuff to play around with that i never use anymore
18:21<user01>over the last 3+ years
18:22<babilen>user01: Do whatever you are most comfortable with :)
18:22<Prins>babilen: True, I like that aswell. And you might be correct, but as of now, I will install debian with Gnome & KDE I think.. Just the all-round packages.. I'm testing Debian :P
18:22<Prins>As a Desktop OS
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18:23<user01>babilen, my friend wants me to do gentoo hehe
18:24<babilen>user01: It is just that upgrading to squeeze will certainly not hurt as your selection will stay the same as it is now, but you just get newer versions. The thought of "Oh, god I have to wipe my complete system, reinstall and configure everything" stands in the way of the upgrade and might prevent you from doing so. I was just pointing out that you can *still* do a fresh install even *after* the upgrade.
18:24<babilen>Prins: Sure, nothing really wrong with that. If you need help with anything just ask.
18:24<user01>babilen, my lug had a presentation on gentoo and then i was in houston and went to their lug and they were talking about wanting to learn gentoo too, a bunch of massachists in the world
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18:24<babilen>!tell user01 about greenhouse
18:25<user01>babilen, hehe thanks
18:27<Prins>babilen: I'm glad you're willing to help :) I have to say, #debian is a way nicer place than #ubuntu
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18:27<user01>babilen, he did say it would take like a weekend to compile everything
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18:28*babilen hands Prins a pint of deuchars and a bag of crisps ... cheers! and welcome :)
18:28<Prins>babilen: Thank you very much ;)
18:28<Prins>BTW babilen, what is your native tongue?
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18:28<babilen>user01: yes, and you will keep compiling forwever :) -- But this is getting off-topic. → #debian-offtopic
18:29<babilen>Prins: German
18:29<Prins>babilen: Oh, it is? You're very good at english :)
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18:29<Prins>Anyway - I'll be off for a bit now. I'm going to test some live cd's :)
18:29<Prins>Au revoir
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18:30<babilen>Have fun -- Don't forget to test GRML the best live cd there is :)
18:30<daemonkeeper>Besides Debian Live of course :p
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18:33<babilen>uh, aehm, well, .... ugh ... YES! OF COURSE!
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18:38<user01>!gentoosmite user01
18:38*dpkg spends 6 days recompiling user01, and when it's all done, user01 runs 0.9% faster than previously
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18:53<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, can I determine what RAM I have in a machine without actually looking at the hardware?
18:53<ComradeHaz`>Not just how much, but speed etc.
18:53<ComradeHaz`>/cat/proc/meminfo doesn't appear to show me tpye and speed and so forth.....
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18:58<petemc>dmidecode --type memory
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18:58<^CoreDumper^>all show the memory
18:59<^CoreDumper^>try with: free
18:59<daemonkeeper>lshw/hwinfo shows hardware information about your memory. I'm not entirely sure you will see clock timings as well
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18:59<dvs>ComradeHaz`: memtest
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19:00<daemonkeeper> description: SODIMM DDR2 Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns) <- Ah, yes. it does
19:00<ComradeHaz`>well, lshw has indeed provided the info I needed
19:00<ComradeHaz`>many thanks
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19:28<jhutchins_lt>^CoreDumper^: Did you even read the question?
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19:28<jhutchins_lt>^CoreDumper^: Try your own suggestions and see if they answer it.
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19:50<kristianpaul>!seen green
19:50<dpkg>i haven't seen 'green', kristianpaul
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19:51<BlueSloth>Video drivers and mesa are supposed to be good enough nowadays to make compiz usable, even on a Radeon RS690.. right?
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19:55<MrFrood>!tell BlueSloth about compiz
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20:01<BlueSloth>opening a window or resizing a window with compiz makes it go down to 2 fps for about 6 seconds afterwards. Running conky makes it that slow all the time. I'm thinking I have a problem, but I don't know what it is.
20:03<BlueSloth>I'm running sid, so mesa is using the gallium drivers
20:03<BlueSloth>the classic drivers never worked well either
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20:04<MrFrood>BlueSloth: just run (assuming you use gnome) metacity with xcompmrg if compiz is crashing & burning
20:05<BlueSloth>usually I use openbox, and the fbdev driver
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20:06<MrFrood>BlueSloth: so run openbox with xcompmgr then ;)
20:06<BlueSloth>that's too slow. xcompmgr was made before hardware acceleration
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20:07<BlueSloth>compiz works ok most of the time, it's just that I can't figure out why it goes down to 2 fps for 5 or 6 seconds after I resize or open a window
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20:09<BlueSloth>maybe it's a xserver-xorg-video-radeon problem. With that driver, even in openbox, things freeze briefly whenever conky redraws itself
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20:19*BlueSloth tries to decide whether to file a bug against xserver-xorg-video-radeon or libgl1-mesa-dri.. or something else..
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20:20<BlueSloth>I guess I'll just pick one and go with it. I suppose it can be sent somewhere else if I pick the wrong one
20:21<weedeater64>Speaking of xorg.., Why should installing it, change the appearancd of the console ?
20:22<weedeater64>I thought x and console were quite appart from one another.
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21:18<raylu>perhaps a font higher up in the preference list gets automatically installed too
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21:29<johns>the webcam in my lenovo seems to have stopped working, maybe with 2.6.38? uvcvideo gets loaded, but it seems like no device is created
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21:30<johns>I get "input: UVC Camera (17ef:480c) as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1/1-6/1-6:1.0/input/input18" in dmesg
21:31<johns>but lsusb doesn't show it
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21:44<Best>when wil sid be unbroken?
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21:46<cthuluh>when it's ready? ;)
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21:47<kop>Best: Mostly never. It's there to be broken.
21:47<cthuluh>you chose it, you got it
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21:48<kop>Best: You should be familar with the info in the <overview> factoid before deciding to choose anything other than stable.
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21:48<Best>been running sid for 10+ years
21:49<Best>but cant remember a mess like now
21:49<kop>Best: You know then.
21:49<cthuluh>that's right, things are a bit weird, these days :)
21:50<babilen>Best: What's the problem right now?
21:51<Best>python + gnome
21:52<babilen>Yeah, there is a huge Python transition going on these days. (Read the debian-python mailing list) ... That will probably take a while.
21:52<babilen>But why is that causing you problems?
21:53<Best>I was stupid with dist-upgrade without my lenses on..
21:53<Best>removed a lot of gnome stuff
21:53<Best>that stil depends on python 2.5 packages
21:55<babilen>Well, that was stupid.
21:55<Best>I know:)
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21:56<babilen>Best: Always run "aptitude safe-upgrade" and pay attention when you do "aptitude full-upgrade" ....
21:56<babilen>Argh, what am I saying! *Always* pay attention
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21:56<Tiff>!broken in sid
21:56<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>.
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22:00<kristianpaul>do i need wpa_supplicant for making a wirelss ap with debian?
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22:01<kristianpaul>or just just for connecting to a wpa2 network?
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22:03<Best>babilen: I do always pay attention.. except this one time in 10 years when I was doing it blind.. lol:)
22:03<_pg_>can anyone help me use synclient -l to get two finger scroll?
22:06<babilen>_pg_: Just create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-synaptics.conf and read "man synaptics" -- Put in there whatever you want. Two finger scroll is VertTwoFingerScroll and HorizTwoFingerScroll
22:06<_pg_>babilen, ill give that a shot. thanks
22:07<babilen>!tell _pg_ -about empty xorg.conf
22:07<babilen>!tell _pg_ -about xorg.conf.d
22:07<babilen>!tell _pg_ about synaptics
22:07<_pg_>oh wow
22:07<babilen>_pg_: That should give you enough reading material for now :)
22:10<babilen>Have fun. Could for example look like this:
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22:11<_pg_>babilen, which files is that paste
22:12<babilen>_pg_: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf from my machine
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22:13<_pg_>what is the significance of the number 25
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22:17<_pg_>babilen, i dont have an xorg.conf.d
22:18<babilen>_pg_: If you read the xorg.conf.d factoid dpkg send you you would have known that you have to create that directory first.
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22:18<babilen>_pg_: The number just determines the order in which these files are loaded
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22:19<babilen>_pg_: You can name then in whatever way you find most pleasing as long as the filename ends in .conf
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22:48<kop>In the insserv man page does the start=<lv1,lv2...> syntax supposed to mean that you actually type < and >? I would think not but I haven't seen <> used in any sort of bnf syntax either.
22:51<raylu>there's a bit more explanation on line 133
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22:57<kop>raylu: ? I tried -n, It didn't help.
22:57<raylu>assuming you're using less as your manpager, 133G
22:58<raylu>or :133
22:59<kop>raylu: g133 ??
22:59<raylu>er, are you asking about how to get to line 133 of the manpage?
23:00<kop>raylu: That's what you seem to be referring me to. And I can get there. And?
23:00<raylu>oh. just saying there's some more explanation about start=lv1...
23:00<kop>raylu: Not on my line 133 in squeeze.
23:01<raylu>oh. i'm on wheezy.
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23:02<kop>raylu: Anyway. It does not make sense to type the <>s. And it does not seem to work either way. I'm kind of sick of it right now. Just trying to figure out the right way to frob runlevels now that insserv is re-doing the symlinks. It seems unsafe to manually frob them.
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23:08<kop>Ah. I get it now. When you use the start=,stop= it does not automatically get rid of the symlinks that were previously there.
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23:14<kop>This does not seem right, or at minimum seems hard to deal with. Is this some sort of bug in squeeze?
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23:18<flipe>I am have a problem to update some python packages from unstable
23:19<flipe>the problem round on python-gobject, you can see at
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23:21<_pg_>what are vertscrolldelta and horizscrolldelta
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23:24<flipe>or on
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23:37<nmhts>I recently increased my open file descriptor limits on Debian Squeeze so I could play some video games, but apparently it makes my system VERY unstable. How do I fix this? (I increased the descriptors from 1024 to 10000)
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23:49<CPH>Hello everyone!
23:49<CPH>Completely new to Linux and I'm having some issues with Ubuntu 10.4/10.10. I would really love some help with these issues.
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23:50<kop>!tell CPH about ubuntu
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23:50<kop>CPH: Sorry. We don't know ubuntu and could give bad advice.
23:50<phillipsjk>nmhts, The obvious thing would be to use a less agreesive setting. Did you forget how?
23:50<CPH>I'm sorry.
23:50<CPH>I think I need to rephrase.
23:51<CPH>Is Lubuntu part of Debian?
23:51<kop>CPH: No.
23:51<kop>!tell CPH about based on debian
23:51<CPH>Okay, well, convert me to Devian.
23:52<CPH>I just need help with formatting the HD
23:52<CPH>I know someone here can help and I'm open to getting any new OS.
23:52<kop>CPH: Ok. Other distros tend to start with debian. Remove some stuff and make non-free stuff easier to install.
23:52<CPH>I'm completely clueless here.
23:52<kop>!tell CPH about ig
23:52<kop>CPH: The install guide should walk you through it.
23:53<CPH>Will it delete the previous OS?
23:53<kop>CPH: Or it'll do it automatically if you so choose.
23:53<kop>CPH: Yes.
23:53<CPH>Is there a great light weight version for slower computers?
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23:53<kop>CPH: There's one version. You can install in under 1G or install gobs and gobs.
23:54<dpkg>lxde is probably Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. #lxde on
23:54<MrFrood>CPH: debian can use the lxde desktop
23:54<kop>CPH: See the install guide for basic hardware requirements. You may be able to use the defaults (gnome) and be happy.
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23:55<kop>CPH: You will also want to take note of this:
23:55<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
23:55<CPH>Will LXDE overwrite ubuntu 10.10?
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23:56<kop>CPH: You got the private message from the bot with the install guide url?
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23:56<kop>CPH: The basic install will overwrite all your disks. If you don't want that it's more complicated.
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23:56<CPH>I do. That's great.
23:57<kop>CPH: You may also find #debian on to be more populated, although the experts tend to hang out in both.
23:57<CPH>Is there a "Completely New to Linux" thing that I can find?
23:57<nmhts>So what could I do to fix it? I noticed that my the stack size is 8192, could that have a relation to the crashes?
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23:57<kop>CPH: The install guide will help with the basics. See also the following:
23:57<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
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23:58<dpkg> -- newbies check it out! Veterans too, so you can contribute! :)
23:58<kop>!tell CPH about msg the bot
23:58<CPH>I'm sorry I'm so inept here, lol
23:59<kop>CPH: There's a lot of crap in the factoids. I'd start with the debian reference and docs at
23:59<kop>CPH: (Although the newbie doc facotid might be just fine.)
23:59<CPH>I will definitely do that. Umm LXDE DL LIVE is 404???
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