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---Logopened Sat Apr 23 00:00:15 2011
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00:00<kop>CPH: Don't do that. Until you know what your doing let Debian supply all your software. !
00:00<dpkg>Synaptic is a graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (and if you are using lenny then it behaves well with aptitude too). . Not to be confused with the <synaptics> touchpad driver.
00:01<CPH>I don't understand
00:01<CPH>at all
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00:01<kop>CPH: Ok. Let's start over. What does "Umm LXDE DL LIVE is 404???" mean?
00:02<kop>nmhts: I figure if he's a total newb he'll not be able to type at the command line just yet. :)
00:02<nmhts>Yeah lol, but could you help me with my issue?
00:02<phillipsjk>nmhts: (Yahoo! pulled this up)
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00:03<kop>nmhts: No. I'd rtfm and figure out how to undo. Or do a backtrace possibly with strace. But I can't address your problem just now.
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00:05<kop>Humm. Wonder what happened to him?
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00:06<nmhts>could the person who was helping me with the file descriptors
00:06<nmhts>send me that link again?
00:06<nmhts>Cause my compie crashed for the 9th time today
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00:08<phillipsjk>DI haven't found anything saying how much RAM is consumed by each file descriptor yet.
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00:11<nmhts>Blah, crashed again
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00:11<nmhts>I know how to change them, I'm just wondering WHY it's making my system so unstable.
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00:12<phillipsjk>Is memory tight?
00:12<nmhts>I have 4GB DDR2
00:13<nmhts>I just purchased 2 brand new 2x2GB stix
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00:14<phillipsjk>I haven't touched thos_ s_ttings outsid_ of DOS, so don't know. 4GB should b_ lots.
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00:16<nmhts>What should I do?
00:16*phillipsjk had a key g_t stuck
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00:18<phillipsjk>you incr_c_d to 10000, not 100000?
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00:23<nmhts>Only to 10000
00:23<nmhts>But I just reduced it to the same size as the stack size, which is 8132
00:24<carmelo1>I have this engineering sample wireless card with an old eeprom version, and there's a function in the driver that checks the version and refuses to run if it is too old
00:24<phillipsjk>som_ pag_s I hav_ com_ across say th_r_ is som kind of k_rn_l limit as w_ll
00:25<carmelo1>But... if I remove the function, it works fine. The problem is, I now need to use a newer version of compat-wireless, and I cannot remove the function\
00:25<nmhts>A kernel limit? I'm using the nvidia driver using the 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel
00:25<carmelo1>It breaks it, or doesn't work, because I dont know anything about C
00:25<carmelo1>So, I'm wondering if any kind soul would be willing to remove the eeprom check from the files iwl-agn-eeprom.c
00:25<carmelo1>and possible iwl-eeprom.c
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00:26<carmelo1>Here's the file
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00:32<phillipsjk>cat /proc/sys/fs/fil_-max
00:32<carmelo1>come on
00:32<carmelo1>dont make fun of me with your dots, I need wireless
00:33<nmhts>I crashed for the 10th time!
00:33<nmhts>That wasn't aimed at you
00:33<nmhts>My computer just keeps crashing!!
00:33<carmelo1>Oh hooray
00:34<phillipsjk>carmelo1, can you just t_ll it to chk an lowr vrsion?
00:34<nmhts>that's what comes out
00:34<carmelo1>phillipsjk: Interesting concept, I could just reverse the operator
00:34<nmhts>after cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
00:34<carmelo1>phillipsjk: Thanks for that, I never would have thought of it
00:36<carmelo1>phillipsjk: the end of the function, if true, says goto err; I tried changing the err; function to return 0; with no luck
00:36<phillipsjk>rvrsing may not allow it to work with a nwr card.
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00:37<carmelo1>Yeah but I only have one card, and I don't understand how its written, and the error crashes the kernel before I get a chance to read my eeprom version
00:37<carmelo1>Someday I need to learn C
00:38*phillipsjk thinks it is time to retire his keyboard.
00:39<phillipsjk>Hmm the last 4 'e's worked; did I scare it straight?
00:40<nmhts>Lol your e's were missing for some reason
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00:40<nmhts>What do I do about my FD limit?
00:40<phillipsjk>key was stuck
00:40<nmhts>If I put it back to the default
00:40<nmhts>I can't play my steam games. :(
00:41<kop>me wonders if your steam games have some sort of leak that fails to close fds.
00:41<kop>nmhts: You'll find more experts here during working days/hours....
00:42<phillipsjk>apparently you can use lsof to check for a descriptor leak.
00:43<nmhts>Uh.. whoa, how do I find these leaks?
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00:44<phillipsjk>that is a big listing
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00:45<phillipsjk>pipe to grep and look for "invalid" files?
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00:47<phillipsjk>Reducing the limit idin't hlp?
00:48<nmhts>... nope
00:48*phillipsjk suspects cooling issues
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00:49<nmhts>Hmm... I have a stock CPU cooler, but at random, my CPU scales go all to 100% eventually crashing it.
00:50<phillipsjk>how much dust?
00:50<nmhts>barely any at all
00:52<phillipsjk>do you have a /proc/ACPI directory?
00:53<phillipsjk>I think you may find the CPU temp som_whr in thr.
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00:54<project2501a>good morning, #debian
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00:55<project2501a>not yet.
00:55<nmhts>Is that too hot?
00:55<project2501a>it's cloudy today, in jeddah, saudi arabia.
00:55<phillipsjk>No that's good.
00:55<project2501a>might be sunny later.
00:55<phillipsjk>ovr 80 is probably bad.
00:56<weedeater64>/bin/sh: weathern: not found
00:56<project2501a>over 80c is probably, bad, yes :P
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00:56<nmhts>This is such a pickle
00:57<nmhts>Never thought that this OS would cause more trouble than Windoze. >:/
00:57<weedeater64>Current conditions at Norfolk International Airport, VA (KORF)
00:57<weedeater64>Last updated Apr 22, 2011 - 11:51 PM EDT / 2011.04.23 0351 UTC
00:57<weedeater64> Temperature: 54.0 F (12.2 C)
00:57<weedeater64> Relative Humidity: 86%
00:57<weedeater64> Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT)
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00:57<phillipsjk>depnds on th CPu
00:57<nmhts>Core 2 Quad Q6600
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01:02<phillipsjk>71C for that one
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01:04<nmhts>Huh, I have the SLACR version, I should have only 95w power from that
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01:07<nmhts>Well, apparently not logging onto steam helps. :(
01:09<nmhts>Still downloading games..
01:09<nmhts>Memory is slowly increasing
01:10<nmhts>What the heck is going on here?
01:10<nmhts>The memory just keeps going up
01:10<nmhts>As soon as I exited
01:10<nmhts>It went back down
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01:12<nmhts>I know that's normal behavior
01:12<nmhts>Should it keep going up while I'm downloading stuff?
01:13<phillipsjk>if is is file cahe, yes.
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01:15<nmhts>Well, the memory is seemingly harmless as of now
01:17<nmhts>I guess the FD limit might have something to do with the Stack Size
01:17<phillipsjk>the proccess sholuldn't keep grabing more memory, but tho free memory should dwindle to a few MB.
01:17<nmhts>Since I lowered it to make it almost equal to the stack size (8192 in kib)
01:18<nmhts>lsof once again, just to see if it'll do something
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01:21<nmhts>Let me open Skype now just to see what else could happen
01:22<phillipsjk>compling something is a good stress test.
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01:26<nmhts>Alright, though.. I'm really REALLY confused.. :S because now it's not even crashing..? This might be related to the Stack Size?
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02:46<dspace>Lenny -> Squeeze. Uninstalls Mysql, installs Apache (where it was uinstalled and replaced by Nginx)
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03:06<zapata>hey :(
03:07<zapata>who is there?
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03:08<zapata>where can i find help? O:
03:09<zapata>:( i wanna die now, i got this drivers problem :/
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03:14<zapata>mmm k
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03:31<Gerowen>Still there zapata?
03:31<Gerowen>Nope, guess not.
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03:32<devil>he died cause of his driver problem.
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03:33<cahoot>wish fulfilled
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03:37<ompaul>cahoot: that was a bit inspirational I guess ;-)
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03:37<ompaul>devil: it works, and works well
03:37<devil>ompaul: nice
03:38<ompaul>it is :)
03:38<devil>ompaul: the only thing that bugs me is that kwallet seems bugged
03:38<ompaul>it seems to work here
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03:38<ompaul>at least I can get into my email
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03:38<devil>ompaul: kontact always wants credentials for mail access even though kwallet has all it needs
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03:40<ompaul>in other news I have found what may be a problem and for reasons of running out the door in the next couple of minutes I'm not going to test it yet
03:40<ompaul>ohh my country flag became the US for a moment (since this boot up)
03:41<devil>i will also spend the day with dogs, sun and water and the like
03:41<ompaul> kvm -hda somebox.img --cdrom debian-6.0.1a-i386-businesscard.iso -boot d -m 500 << this is failing at a point where it can't determine the release name
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03:42<ompaul>if anyone wants to confirm or deny I'll test later if I get reminded :)
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03:42<devil>ompaul: you could shorten the release name :)
03:42<devil>like deb.iso
03:43<ompaul>ahh meh
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03:43<ompaul>is that what that is
03:43<devil>no idea
03:43<devil>i find it easier to type
03:44<ompaul>I copy in X (call me a cheat middle mouse button and back in the day two buttons together :)
03:45<ompaul>devil: I'm gone :)
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03:53<radamm_>de ayudarme ?
03:56<samuel>Hello all, I have an issue where after running aptitude safe-upgrade I can no longer access folders from the menubar. The error says 'could not open location file:///home
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04:19<raylu>samuel: does alt+f2, 'nautilus' still work?
04:19<samuel>no, it doesn'n
04:21<samuel>the error suggests something happened to gnome-panel? I wasn't trying to install gnome 3
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04:22<kruz>>.< sorry, musta missed the first part of the conversation
04:22<raylu>what happened when you tried to run nautilus?
04:22<samuel>Could not open location 'file:///home/ No application is registered as handling this file
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04:23<samuel>it's funny though because I can access the folders on my desktop
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05:07<detly>I have a wheezy laptop (heh) running avahi-client 0.6.29-1 (and -daemon, etc) ... I've found that it will only see the published services on my (squeezy) desktop when the firewall is completely disabled, even though I have an exception for port 5353 when it's running
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05:07<detly>is there another port I need to open to be able to see published services (with eg. avahi-discover)?
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05:14<raylu>detly: no idea, but netstat -tlnp may help
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05:19<detly>hmm, no avahi or mdns-like processes are listed on either machine
05:20<detly>but I know that when I disable the firewall, the services will show up in avahi-discover
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05:21<raylu>perhaps they use (x)inetd
05:21<raylu>if that shows up, /etc/(x)inetd
05:21<raylu>but i have no idea how avahi works, so it may not be the case
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05:22<detly>no, (x)inetd isn't on either machine :/.
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05:22<raylu>dbus, then :P
05:22<detly>I think it works by magic
05:24<detly>aha, netstat -aup shows something
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05:36<Prins>Is dpkg running blootbot?
05:37<costas>!beer dpkg
05:37*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg
05:37<raylu>05:37:34 CTCP VERSION reply from dpkg: infobot (unknown version) -- linux
05:38<costas>dpkg is drunk today, use the appropriate wikis 8-D
05:38<dpkg>costas: i haven't a clue
05:38<raylu>!beer costas
05:38*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for costas
05:39<costas>no thanks, I had a nice black craft yesterday...
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06:21<Gerowen>Random question. When the next version of Debian goes stable, will we be able to just apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to it in place without losing our files?
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06:24<Anaa>There are somebody?
06:24<Anaa>My name is ana and your?
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06:53<Tsakos>hello, when updating apps like git, do i need to run a webapp-config, or does apt do that automatically for me?
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06:55<rss>Tsakos: ? update webapp? what to you mean
06:57<Tsakos>for example when updating phpmyadmin and gitweb
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07:00<rss>Tsakos: updating git should not affect its use. New version of git will simply still work. Youe webapps may have a configuration page for the version of git that you use in which case checking the settings can do not harm. It is _very_ unlikely that that updating your git app will break your phpmyadmin.
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07:01<Tsakos>but i need to update and phpmyadmin
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07:03<Tsakos>basically, webapp-config is a program on gentoo, does debian has something similar? or does apt does the job automatically?
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07:04<rss>Tsakos: your phpmyadmin uses a mysql database as a backend. A new version of phpmyadmin does not should require you to reconfigure mysql. that would defeat the purpose of the phpmyadmin, which is to manage mysql. you have to reconfigure the new version of phpmyadmin to connect to your mysql sever.
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07:05<OddTod>heyo I was curious if there was a way to see what the temperature of my cpu is?
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07:05<Tsakos>rss: ok, thank you :)
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07:06<rss>Tsakos: I was typing too fast. A new verstion of phpmyadmin _may_ require some configuration to connect to you mysql. In my experience that has never happened. apt has always asked the proper questions for me.
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07:18<rss>OddTod: if you have lm-sensors installed the from commandline: sensors should list the acpi thermal zones for your pc/laptop usually tz1 is your cpu. ymmv
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07:29<ayaka>I wonder if I shall my jre,after aptitube safe-upgrag ,eclipse become very unstate
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07:47<Prins>!tell prins about install
07:48<ayaka>Prins, as I know if you want the dpkg youself, please use private talk
07:49<weedeater64>/msg dpkg
07:49<Prins>Yeah, I just had to test something :)
07:49<Prins>I'm not a complete retard ;)
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07:56<gernot>Hi, I bought an USB PCCard for an old laptop (Thinkpad R51, squeeze). When I boot it with the card inserted it freezes at a certain point: "pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0". As soon as I remove the card again it happily continues booting. lsmod shows pcmcia and pcmcia_core. Any ideas?
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08:10<ayaka>gernot, USB PCCard can normal use?
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08:13<gernot>ayaka, sorry, I don't understand.
08:14<ayaka>gernot,can USB PCCard use normal after boot
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08:17<fishhat>deb all the way baby.
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08:20<gernot>It wouldn't boot at all with the card inserted. I found the boot parameter pci=assign-busses, however, which allows the computer to boot now. The next issue seems to be ehci crashing though. Moving on... :)
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08:56<ayaka>I have problem with package a deb
08:56<ayaka>mplayer have debian folder,but it rules can't use
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09:14<dpkg>For help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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09:15<ayaka>think, I'm chinese
09:15<think>someone here????
09:16<ayaka>think, 我会说中文,不要说话
09:16<ayaka>think, here is english channel
09:16<ayaka>think, please type /j #debian-zh
09:16<ayaka>think, don't speak chinese here,stop
09:17<ansgar>ayaka: Is the end of dpkg's message garbage for you as well? I cann see Chinese characters for what think and you were writing, but dpkg's text is unreadable.
09:17<rking>ansgar: it is probably not in utf8
09:17<babilen>ansgar: It is, we should probably get someone to write that message in proper chinese for us. (/me looks at ayaka)
09:17<ayaka>think, 不要说中文,don't speak chinese
09:18<ayaka>babilen, me can
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09:18<ayaka>babilen, I want to do this before
09:18<babilen>ayaka: Please do, much appreciated. /msg me when done :)
09:18<ayaka>ansgar, don't let think out,I will solbe he
09:18<rking>or maybe it simply uses chars from an extended area that we don't have a font for
09:18<ayaka>babilen, wait
09:18<ayaka>think, 去#debian-zh频道
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09:19<babilen>rking: No, I have a bunch of Chinese fonts installed and it is still garbage. Might also be the db collation *shrug*
09:19<think>ok。thank u
09:19<ansgar>rking: No, it's garbage and not unknown characters. Or just not UTF-8.
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09:26<ayaka>ansgar, in fact we dont use utf8(in m$)
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09:31<colo>hi there everyone
09:31<ayaka>colo, hello
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09:32<colo>I'm on Debian testing for PPC (64bit kernel, PowerMac G5), and compiz stopped working for me quite suddenly with one of the recent upgrade (Radeon 9700, r300 drivers). does anyone have a similar setup and is able to run compiz?
09:32<colo>or is there a debian-ppc-specific channel on this network that's better suited for this question? :)
09:33<ayaka>colo, as I know,you need to config X.conf
09:33<weedeater64>/list *ppc*
09:34<colo>ayaka, glxgears works fine, for instance
09:34<colo>weedeater64, thanks, will check the output
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09:40<towo`>colo, and you could have a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, what could be wrong
09:40<towo`>ayaka, free drivers does not need a xorg.conf
09:41<ayaka>towo`, really?it's the config for the whole X,isn't it
09:41<towo`>recent xserver does not need a xorg.conf at all
09:41<colo>towo`, there are no errors logged. I also straced compiz while starting up, and there's something going wrong in the end (something segfaults, without the segfault appearing in the kernel's debug ringbuffer...), but it's hard to tell what exactly.
09:41<ayaka>towo`, I don't know what,I shall ask dpkg
09:42<towo`>colo, glxinfo | grep -i render sayes what?
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09:43<ayaka>towo`, but as we use nvidai non-free I still need it
09:43<towo`>it's even not needed
09:43<colo>towo`, "direct rendering: Yes
09:43<colo>OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on ATI R350"
09:44<towo`>you can use a xorg.conf stanza in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
09:44<towo`>colo, then it could be a bug in compiz
09:44<colo> is the aforementioned strace output
09:44<ayaka>towo`, oh,so we need to edit compiz in wiki
09:46<colo>is there anything more advanced than glxgears/glxinfo I can use to verify hw-accelerated OpenGL is working?
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09:50<towo`>colo, [15:43] <colo> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on ATI R350" <== this is accelerated opengl
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09:50*Me`2 Hi all!!
09:50<colo>towo`, yeah, I know - I just figured that maybe the hardware/driver combination is unstable, and I'd like to verify that before investigating compiz further.
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09:54<babilen>colo: It is most likely a compiz specific problem. I would take it to #compiz and ask them what kind of additional configuration you need for their eye candy
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09:55<babilen>colo: You could try to enable compositing in metacity (if you use gnome) if you want to try an alternative: "gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true" or use "gconf-editor" if you prefer that.
09:56<colo>I'm not using gnome, but actually LXDE :)
09:56<colo>trying to port my Fedora desktop setup to Debian
09:56<colo>(and from x86_64 to PPC, for that matter)
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10:07<aussa>hi, how I configure the mouse to disable while typing?
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10:12<demooriaan>aussa: tochpad? synaptic (or similar?)
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10:13<demooriaan>kde offers a gui package to configure it, too
10:14<demooriaan>maybe also gnome
10:14<aussa>yes, I looked in man synaptics but couldn't find anything that might work..., ok, I'll check for those gui's... ty
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10:15<demooriaan>it will integrate in system settings of kde
10:15<demooriaan>in the mouse section
10:16<demooriaan>it is called synaptiks
10:17<aussa>does it matter if I have xfce?
10:17<demooriaan>don't know
10:18<babilen>!tell aussa about synaptics
10:18<aussa>ok ty
10:19<babilen>aussa: Not sure about XFCE (they might have a specific tool too) but creating a suitable /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-synaptics.conf or using xinput / gpinting-device-settings or use gnome-settings-daemon + gnome-mouse-properties works
10:19<ompaul>devil: wrt the broken install changed name to shorter version it worked :-/
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10:21<demooriaan>those i found by searching for touchpad in package manager synaptic
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10:30<ompaul>no, I have enough with debian thanks ;-)
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10:40<aussa>how do I know my system specs, RAM info, etc...?
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10:41<cahoot>hwinfo is one
10:42<nevyn>dmidecode is another.
10:43<cahoot>aussa: also - if you've already install gnome (or kde) there's such apps installed
10:43<aussa>ok, ty, went with hwinfo :D
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10:52<detly>okay, so now I'm actually sitting in front of my laptop again... I've added exemptions for every port that netstat shows anything avahi-related, on both laptop and PC
10:52<detly>I mean, desktop
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10:53<detly>still the same problem: I can only see avahi advertised services from my laptop if the laptop's firewall is completely disabled
10:53<variable_>does any body of you has gnome 3 installed in deb 6?
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10:56<babilen>variable_: It is not available in backports (or testing/sid fwiw) and you can't install it right now. Be patient. It will, however, never be available in the stable repositories, but *might* make it into backports eventually.
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11:01<dropedrobarr>Hi, how an i reduce the space use of my root partition? ive already deleted rphan packages.. cleaned cache's.. remove package's that I dont need etc... Ive noticed that /sys is using a LOT of space... is there anyway to redce it?
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11:03<nevyn>dropedrobarr: define a lot.
11:03<nevyn>dropedrobarr: and which filesystems have you splitoff from /?
11:04<dropedrobarr>nevyn, 2GB...
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11:04<dropedrobarr>nevyn, home and boot
11:04<nevyn>dropedrobarr: 2gb for a / including /usr is tiny
11:04<nevyn>get over it.
11:04<dropedrobarr>nevyn, 2GB only /sys
11:04<nevyn>/sys isn't real files
11:05<nevyn>it's like proc
11:05<dropedrobarr>nevyn, nautilus says that there are 9594 elemtns inside... 2GB...
11:05<nevyn>nautilus doesn't know what it's talking about.
11:06<nevyn>/sys is not consuming disk space
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11:08<aussa>"dmidecode -t 5" and "dmidecode -t 6" are not working...
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11:08<nevyn>aussa: are you root?
11:09<nevyn>dmidecode only works as root.
11:09<aussa>yes, this is what it get...
11:09<weedeater64>nevyn: du /sys
11:09<detly>the answer to my problem is that firestarter blocks all multicast traffic
11:09<nevyn>weedeater64: yeah like I said. nautilus is lying.
11:10<aussa>"# dmidecode 2.9 - SMBIOS 2.6 present." nothing else
11:10<weedeater64>Confusion probably comes from;
11:10<weedeater64>du: cannot access `sys/': No such file or directory
11:10<weedeater64> 0 0 0
11:11<aussa>I should get Memory Module Information
11:11<weedeater64>1417 2838 58102
11:11<weedeater64>meant ^^
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11:13<nevyn>aussa: try -t 16 and -t 17
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11:15<aussa>nevyn what I want to know is: Supported Memory Types?
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11:16<nevyn>aussa: so just run dmidecode and search for Memory Devices in the output
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11:18<nevyn>aussa: btw -t 17 is what you want
11:19<nevyn>which is memory devices rather than memory you don't want memory.
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11:21<aussa> , in the "Memory Controller Information" example, there is "Supported Memory Types"
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11:23<nevyn>whcih is in a dmi type 17 record
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11:24<nevyn>ok the memory controller dates back to 486's where you could have simms and dimms.
11:24<nevyn>this is now bogus.
11:24<nevyn>everything's a DIMM
11:24<nevyn>or maybe a SODIMM
11:24<nevyn>what you care about is in the type 17 record which says if it's DDR2 or DDR3
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11:25<nevyn>and the form factor.
11:25<aussa>"Form Factor: SODIMM"
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11:25<aussa>"Type: <OUT OF SPEC>"
11:27<nevyn>hrm interesting.
11:27<nevyn>I suspect that means ddr3 given my laptop happily reports ddr2 as a type
11:28<aussa>ok then... I'm looking for my laptop memory specs, and It seems that it is DDR3
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11:30<aussa>what is the number after DDR3, 1066, 1333, 1600...?
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11:31<chealer>aussa: did you check ?
11:32<grummund>Hi, getting an error from bind9 with debian squeeze :-
11:32<grummund>general: error: managed-keys-zone ./IN: loading from master file managed-keys.bind failed: file not found
11:32<aussa>so, the higher... the better?
11:32<grummund>is this expected with a stock install (sqeeze)?
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11:41<grummund>dutchfish: hmm ok, thanks.
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11:52<dropedrobarr>IM following an Ubuntu tutorial but I cant add a repositorie with "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:paquetes-tuquito/universal" what would e the debian way?
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11:54<kuhkatz>the debian way would be not to use ubuntu repositories
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11:55<danols>hi debian :P
11:55<bo>Hello, any idea what package I need to install so that I can choose english as a language in gdm? My system is in german... and I cant find any helpful package when greping for "lang | gnome | eng" or so :-(
11:55<dropedrobarr>kuhkatz, I really need to get that package...
11:55<edbian>How can I view setuid of a file? It's not in ls -l
11:56<danols>anyone care to assist a complete neweb to exim4 ? I got it so I can send but when I try to respond I get 550 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try
11:56<demooriaan>en is standard, all pther lang. is optional. try dpkg-reconfigure locales
11:56<danols>in the logs it looks like the server is not even accessed
11:56<danols>what should my MX records point to ? my domain name ?
11:57<kuhkatz>dropedrobarr, repositories are just webservers, you could try to download and install the package by hand. but, since it seems to be very ubuntu-centric, it may not run or break other things
11:57<jhutchins_lt>danols: Your mx record should point to the fqdn of your mail server.
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11:57<jhutchins_lt>dropedrobarr: There isn't a debian equivalent for that.
11:58<danols>jhutchins: can you clarify fqdn ? if my server is that I should point it to yes ?
11:58<variable_>where can i edit 'places' menu?
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11:59<jhutchins_lt>danols: FQDN: fully qualified domain name, <hostname>.<domain>.<tld>
11:59<jhutchins_lt>danols: Should match the A record for your mail server.
11:59<danols>ohh ok so if my hostname is shared-hosting-1 than my fqdn is ?
12:00<danols>jhutchins_lt: brb I will check how exim4 is configured now
12:00<jhutchins_lt>danols: Yes.
12:01<jhutchins_lt>danols: However, you were asking about the MX record, which would be in the DNS configuration, not exim's configuration.
12:01<danols>jhutchins_lt: yes
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12:06<danols>in exim it's asking me for the fqdn right now I only have entered <mydomain>.com but it should be shared-hosting-1.<mydomain>.com
12:06<danols>jhutchins_lt: reading the link now
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12:11<ayaka>oh,I see my problem,thank you all
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12:16<danols>2011-04-23 12:08:36 exim 4.72 daemon started: pid=7908, -q30m, listening for SMTP on []:25 [::1]:25
12:16<danols>should it say something else than ?
12:18<colo_>danols, really depends on what you want you MTA to do :)
12:18<ompaul>danols: this may help
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12:20<danols>hi I can send but I can't recieve I fixed the MX records so now I don't get 550 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. but I don't know if it's working now or now / in the exim4 log dosen't say anything that an email was recieved
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12:20<danols>ompaul: you mean it should say ::1 rather than ?
12:21<danols>can you please clarify ?
12:22<ompaul>it is looking at the local bok -- pleaser see link I posted
12:23<danols>ompaul: I am it's confusing site
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12:29<ompaul>danols: sorry, I had to abandon the machine for a bit
12:29<danols>no prob
12:30<ompaul>danols: have you more than one machine available to yo
12:30<ompaul>you (even)
12:30<danols>ompaul: I have one server on the net
12:30<danols>with full access
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12:30<ompaul>danols: and that box is the one you are trying to make a mail server?
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12:30<danols>yes just for myself
12:30<danols>clients get setup with google apps
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12:31<danols>I have exim4 setup so I can send test emails
12:31<ompaul>danols: that means nothing or everything, but it confuses me, is it really useful information or important for this?
12:31<danols>ompaul: i don't know to be honest I never setup exim4 before
12:32<ompaul>so you want for example or some such email address to work?
12:32<danols>the issue is when I reply to the email it doesn't seem to be delivered to my mail box
12:32<danols>I have
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12:32<danols>right now
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12:32<danols>shoot brb 3 min need to answer phone
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12:33<ompaul>danols: you have not got that.
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12:34<ompaul>danols: type "dig any" on some other box other than the mail server
12:35<ompaul>danols: you will see it has no mx record
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12:37<nmhts>My computer randomly crashes when I increased the FD limit, can somebody help me?
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12:37<jhutchins_lt>danols: The only valid public address you appear to have is - your MX record doesn't point to a valid A record.
12:37<colo_>yeah, that's because one needs to use `dig -t MX <dns-name>`
12:38<jhutchins_lt>danols: I think shared-hosting1 is probably
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12:38<jhutchins_lt>danols: Your fqdn as set now is
12:39<jhutchins_lt>danols: It's not a bad idea, if you control the DNS records, to add a record for and
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12:40<nmhts>My computer randomly crashes when I increased the FD limit, can somebody help me?
12:40<danols>jhutchins_lt: hi back
12:40<danols>the MX record is setup internally on the Linode account
12:41<danols>is what is set in the internall DNS manager at Linode
12:41<danols>at GoDaddy I just set DNS servers
12:42<danols>to point to my ip address
12:42<danols>am I doing this all wrong ?
12:42<ompaul>nmhts: use a live cd to reset it to the original values
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12:42<danols>internally I also have www A record setup
12:42<danols>and that works
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12:43<ompaul>is it visible or is it invisible from the outside?
12:43<nmhts>If I do, then I won't be able to play my Steam games.
12:43<danols>ompaul: what is visible / invisible ?
12:43<ompaul>danols: visible to people outside your dns
12:44<danols>www ?
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12:44<ompaul>danols: www visible to people outside your dns
12:44<danols>yes it's visible
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12:45<ompaul>you need to get your mx right
12:45<danols>ompaul: that is what dig command shows when run from the server itself
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12:46<danols>ompaul: if I read it correctly it shows mx record in linode authority - whatever that means
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12:48<ompaul>danols: I think it may mean that your "" might be the mail server, not
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12:49<jhutchins_lt>nmhts: Steam is really outside the scope of #debian. They might have their own forums that have advice on running on linux.
12:50<dropedrobarr>can someone give me any reference on how o create a live cd of my running squeeze system? Ive heard about lots of tools but all of the for ubutu, no luck on installing them :S
12:50<nmhts>Hmm.. any irc channel for steam on linux?
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12:50<jhutchins_lt>danols: I would suggest for now just using for the fqdn, mx record, etc.
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12:51<jhutchins_lt>danols: What is the hostname set to in debian? (returned by the hostname command or set in /etc/hostname).
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12:52<jhutchins_lt>That doesn't sound right, that sounds like the host server at linnode.
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12:54<danols>jhutchins_lt: danols@shared-hosting-1:~$ hostname
12:54<danols>jhutchins_lt: in linode I get a VPS
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12:54<danols>and my own ip
12:54<danols>it's not a shared hosting per se
12:54<danols>the shareed-hosting-1 is the hostname I picked for this server
12:54<danols>hope that clarifies it
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12:56<danols>so in my MX records should I set it to or ?
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12:57<danols>anyone? please? :(
12:57<ompaul>danols a box I control I run the command as follows host :I get this back : Host not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
12:58<danols>ompaul: what does that mean ?
12:58<ompaul>danols: it means that nobody outside that box can find it
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12:59<ompaul>yet it is showing up as your MX
12:59<danols>k I need some clarification
12:59<danols>if my domain is
12:59<danols>what is hostname for ?
13:00<danols>all my DNS records point directly to
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13:00<ompaul>danols: there is no box called shared-hosting-1 on the internet - your can call the boxs anything you like
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13:00<ompaul>but they must be in dns before they can be seen outside
13:00<ompaul>that network or box
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13:02<danols>i still don't get it - let me think about it
13:02<danols>i mean I do
13:02<jhutchins_lt>danols: This is fairly common for a multi-purpose server not to use an actual hostname on it's public interfaces.
13:03<danols>but trying to understand if my DNS records for client websites need to be changed to after I make it visible
13:03<ompaul>mail IN A
13:03<ompaul>and you need an A record or C name
13:03<ompaul>danols: you need something like that ^^
13:03<jhutchins_lt>ompaul: He's not doing linux DNS, he's doing hosting company web interface DNS.
13:04<ompaul>or better yet
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13:05<danols>jhutchins_lt: ok maybe I'll clarify what I wish my setup to be - this area I have the least expertise
13:05<jhutchins_lt>I know namesecure gives you an option for <any>.domain.tld, and they require that the MX record point to a FQDN instead of an IP.
13:05<danols>I have a few sites that I am hosting on a apache/django apache/php
13:05<danols>right now i have them setup as vhosts
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13:05<danols>and simply point the DNS servers to LINODE and than setup the DNS entries in the internal LINODE manager
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13:06<danols>I use google apps for client emails
13:06<danols>for myself I wish to have a local exim4 with imap setup
13:06<nardev>how can i find out which email server is being used on my server?
13:06<danols>down the line I might get another linode
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13:06<danols>hence I wish to name this box shared-hosting-1
13:06<danols>my own site is
13:06<danols>how would you set it all up guys ?
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13:07<danols>structure it all up ?
13:07<ompaul>nardev: telnet localhost 25
13:07<ompaul>nardev: in case it isn't obvious run that command locally :)
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13:09<ompaul>danols: firstly the dns make your machine pingable outside as and when you know how to do that - attached by the same method (the same way as you did www. )
13:10<danols>shouldn't I rather make since hostname is really used internally ?
13:10<ompaul>danols: at the moment your first problem is really that shared-hosting-1 can't be seen from outside,
13:11<nardev>ompaul, i can see on local machine when i do that that on server it doesn't show me anything so that i can recognize what mail server it is
13:11<danols>jhutchins_lt: mentioned that usally shared-hosting-1 dosen't have to be visible on the net in share hosting enviroments - do you suggest this too ?
13:11<ompaul>danols: it matters not a jot if it is mail. or freddykrugerwashere. or shared-hosting-1
13:11<danols>can it not be just ?
13:12<danols>since that is the machine ?
13:12<ompaul>danols: what matters is that the fqdn is the same box as the mail server
13:12<danols>ahh in my case it's at the moment
13:12<ompaul>danols: so it can be that but if that is the case change your mx record
13:12<swampy>Hi, I've compiled a kernel based on the debian 2.6.32 sources using the deb-pkg target, however the resultant /lib/modules/... is 1.4 gigabytes. For example ac.ko is 212KB while the stock provided one is ~8KB, how do I go about creating smalller modules?
13:12<danols>ompaul: ohhh ok
13:12<danols>i'll make it
13:12<ompaul>danols: stop
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13:13<danols>ompaul: ok
13:13<danols>yes ?
13:14<ompaul>nardev: are you logged onto the server?
13:14<danols>ompaul: i was just about to add an A record for
13:14<ompaul>danols: if you do that - you are obliged to make an entry like www. also
13:14<danols>ompaul: www is there already :)
13:14<ompaul>danols: don't run, walk.
13:14<ompaul>nardev: are you logged onto the server?
13:15<nardev>ompaul, i'm
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13:15<ompaul>nardev: did you run that command on the mail server?
13:15<ompaul>nardev: did you run that command on the server (sorry)
13:15<nardev>you mean did i tried to telnet to port 25, yes i did
13:16<nardev>but i couldn't see anything like sendmail
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13:16<nardev>or so
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13:17<ompaul>nardev: did it give you a Connection Refused comment or something else?
13:17<danols>ompaul: ok - question another server of mine doesn't have host/ dig commands are they auto installed with exim4 package ? (the other server doesn't have it)
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13:17<nardev>ompaul, i connected but this ius what i get : ESMTP ispCP 1.0.7 OMEGA Managed
13:17<ompaul>danols: what has that to do with the current problem?
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13:18<jhutchins_lt>danols: dnsutils pkg
13:18<danols>nothing at all - except when I run the host on another machine it will tell me if the dns records have been updated
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13:19<ompaul>danols: ^^ see what jhutchins_lt said
13:19<danols>jhutchins_lt: thanks installed
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13:19<ompaul>nardev: so it is a managed solution of email ... from some provider no idea what it is or how to work on it
13:19<nardev>ompaul, ok, thank you
13:20<ompaul>nardev: it does a whole isp
13:20<ompaul>nardev: it's documentation suggests it is some kind of postfix as it uses postgrey
13:21<danols>the records is to be an A/AAAA record yes ?
13:21<jhutchins>nardev: You really need to find a guide to setting up the mailserver. It's not the kind of thing that you just install and run.
13:21<ompaul>danols: you want to do IPv6 also
13:21<danols>ompaul: ?
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13:22<ompaul>AAAA is IPv6
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13:22<ompaul>pronounced "Quad A"
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13:22<danols>ok so I should add mail under A section and duplicate it again in AAAA ?
13:23<ompaul>no you should not do ipv6 until you have your head around what you are doing
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13:23<danols>exactly cause i'm lost as it is
13:23<ompaul>danols: mostly that
13:23<danols>ok so I think i got setup can you verify on your end please ?
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13:24<danols>cause I can't ping it on my end but the MX records is setup
13:24<danols>and A record is setup
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13:24<ompaul>danols: it may take some time for that to become available, pressing a button may not be instant
13:25<ompaul>danols: do me a favour put foo1 in there
13:25<ompaul>just have it pointing at your box
13:25<ompaul>it is something new we can test it against mail. shortly
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13:26<danols>will do
13:26<ompaul>danols: see this: It takes up to 15 minutes for changes in DNS Manager to Linode DNS servers. Updates to slave zones will take effect immediately if the slaves are NOTIFYed.
13:26<danols>dns managers says it's updated every 15 minutes
13:26<jhutchins>danols: If you use dig or host you can see the ttl value - this is the "time to live" number of seconds that a record should be cached.
13:26<jhutchins>danols: It's often set to about 7200
13:26<danols>interesting thanks
13:27<ompaul>jhutchins: it is a new record is it not? (although I admit I came late to this)
13:27<jhutchins>danols: That updates your primary server, but there is at least one other server between someone on the net and you.
13:27<jhutchins>ompaul: I think he's had the base host up for a while. He's with if that means anything,.
13:28<danols>ompaul: I added foo1 to for you - another 3 minutes and linode should refresh it's dns entries
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13:28<danols>jhutchins: the base host since about 2 days - i've been moving from webfaction
13:29<danols>only thing that was left is the mail setup and it's a learning experience for me as you can see
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13:29<ompaul>jhutchins: not a lot I have access to one of their boxes however I am sinking trying to make time to get to do use it usefully
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13:36<ompaul>danols: ok the mail. is in place, the next problem is email server
13:36<ompaul>danols: why did you pick exim?
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13:37<danols>ompaul: default install by debian :)?
13:37<danols>do you still need
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13:38<danols>ompaul: would you not recommend I use exim4 ?
13:38<ompaul>danols: no, it is just a handy point, had something else failed we could have seen if that had worked
13:38<ompaul>danols: it is more out of habit I use postfix
13:38<danols>plus the site is a little better than postix
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13:39<ompaul>postfix a five year old can set it up in a few minutes ;-)
13:39<ompaul>and it will handle lots of domains and mails at the same time
13:39<danols>the look of exim4 site vs postfix
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13:40<danols>what does debian recommend ?
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13:40<bellman>in the debian installer "Choose a kernel", what's the difference between picking 2.6-686 and
13:41<danols>ompaul: k so now that is visible what should I do next ?
13:41<ompaul>bellman: at the end of the day non, what happens is that 686 always provides the latest
13:41<bellman>ok cool. Which software does selecting "File Server" install?
13:41<ompaul>the 32.5 in case
13:42<tuhin>help! some1 pressing enter when i try to chat in xchat , i think i m hacked
13:42<tuhin>i can type in tomboy and paste here fine
13:42<tuhin>i m doing like that now! typing in tomboy and pasting here!
13:42<danols>tuhin: ?
13:42<ompaul>danols: let us get your email working
13:42<ompaul>danols: bad idea that multitasking
13:43*danols switches to single tasking mode
13:43<tuhin>cant yo
13:43<tuhin>t type
13:43<tuhin>at to
13:44<ompaul>danols: so your email does not appear to be running at all, what happens when you telnet localhost 25 on that box?
13:45<tuhin>danols: wh
13:45<tuhin>t to do
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13:45<danols>220 ESMTP Exim 4.72 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:45:32 -0400
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13:46<ompaul>danols: so CTRL ] and quit
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13:46<danols>ompaul: did
13:46<ompaul>danols: have you got a firewall on the machine?
13:47<petemc>exim -bP local_interfaces
13:47<danols>I just run reconfigure exim4 it only listens on â ; ::1__
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13:47<danols>ompaul: no firewall
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13:47<danols>local_interfaces = <; ; ::1
13:47<danols>so that seems to be an issue
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13:48<ompaul>danols: do as petemc says (I now will buy him a few pints next time I meet him if he is carlos ;-))
13:48<danols>local_interfaces = <; ; ::1
13:48<danols>is the result of the command
13:48<petemc>leave the field blank to listen on all interfaces
13:48<danols>patemcc that's what I will do
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13:49<danols>done and exim4 deamon restarted
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13:49<petemc>danols: its listening now
13:50<danols>test email to my account returned new error ! :) so we are getting somewhere 550 550 relay not permitted (state 14).
13:50<petemc>did you put the domain in local_domains ?
13:50<danols>no I left it blank
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13:51<danols>( and 'localhost' are always added to the â
13:51<danols> â list given here.
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13:51<petemc>if you want exim to deliver it you'll want to tell it what domains to accept
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13:51<danols>ahhh so now I will add
13:51<danols>test 2 brb :)
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13:53<danols>k no error
13:53<danols>and log: 2011-04-23 13:53:12 1QDh15-0003EO-V2 DKIM: s=gamma c=relaxed/relaxed a=rsa-sha256 [verification succeeded]
13:53<danols>2011-04-23 13:53:12 1QDh15-0003EO-V2 <= [] P=esmtp S=2328
13:53<danols>2011-04-23 13:53:12 1QDh15-0003EO-V2 => danols <> R=local_user T=maildir_home
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13:53<danols>sorry about the paste
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13:54<ompaul>danols: use it works
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13:54<danols>ompaul: ok so it looks like it worked however when I'm logged under danols and type mail there is no mail
13:54<danols>ompaul: ok I wll for the pasting
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13:55<danols>hey when I am in Maildir/new/ there are 4 messages :)
13:55<petemc>danols: mail is probably looking in /var/mail/danols , you delivered to maildir in your homedir by the looks of that
13:55<danols>what should I use or how to setup mail to read my mail ?
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13:56<petemc>echo $MAIL
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13:56*danols takes the time to bow and thank the super administrator ninjas petemc and ompaul!!! :)
13:56<petemc>not sure if mailx does maildir
13:57<danols>it says /var/mail/danols
13:57<ompaul>is it files in there or is that one file?
13:57<danols>i selected maildir format rather than mbox format
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13:58<danols>should I switch back to mbox ?
13:58<danols>in :~/Maildir/new$ I have files
13:58<danols>so the mail was deleivered :P
13:58<danols>just how to read it now
13:58<ompaul>ls -l /var/mail/danols
13:58<ompaul>you could use something like mutt
13:59<ompaul>which is a command line client mail application, rather good
13:59<danols> ls -l /var/mail/danols
13:59<danols>ls: cannot access /var/mail/danols: No such file or directory
13:59<danols>can I use mailx ? but how do I set it up
13:59<danols>looks like $MAIL is not set properly
14:00<danols>eventually I'll just use IMAP
14:00<ompaul> apt-get install mailx will tell you to pick a program do that
14:01<ompaul>gone for a bit
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14:02<danols>ompaul: ok
14:02<danols>I have bsd-mailx installed
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14:18<grummund>How does one send a test message to a remote syslog server?
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14:23<grummund>daemonkeeper: hmm, i can't see how that is used for a remote server
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14:27<daemonkeeper>You don't log directly to remote syslog server. You configure your local syslog to log there
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14:30<nmhts>I've noticed that when I'm doing massive downloads at 1Mbps, I crash, because I was just torrenting something.
14:31<nmhts>After increasing the FD limit from 1024 to 8132
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14:32<planet8>Why cant the debian installer handle grub when it comes to software raid?
14:32<planet8>It makes it really easy to setup, but the grub part fails.
14:32<grummund>daemonkeeper: i understand that... but it wasn't the question ;-)
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14:34<daemonkeeper>Syslog is fairly simple protocol, maybe you can just throw a well formatted message to the listening port.
14:36<grummund>i was trying to figure if the server was listening... it rejected telnet to the port so that answered it
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14:36<grummund>it seems that /etc/init.d/rsyslogd reload doesn't actually reload the conf file ;-/
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14:51<daemonkeeper>grummund: syslog uses UDP
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15:01<ripero>I just upgraded to iceweasel 4 (experimental), and creating tabs makes Xorg consume 100% of a CPU - is this "normal"?
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15:05<devil>been using IW4 for ages, no such load here.
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15:06<ripero>devil: amd64?
15:06<devil>as well, yes
15:07<ripero>I'll check de add-ons again, but I think I'll go back to lynx
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15:08<devil>good idea for addons: as few as possible :)
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15:28<edbian>I read that I can run ping without being root because ping's setuid bit is set to true. Is that correct?
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15:29<dvs>I can run ping as a normal user.
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15:31<edbian>dvs, yeah. And you can do that because of the setuid bit?
15:31<edbian>ping uses raw sockets so it needs to be root to run. But clearly it doesn't require root to run. How is this possible? setuid?
15:31<dvs>edbian: Oh yea, the sticky bit is on.
15:32<edbian>dvs, How can I view the 'sticky bit'? It doesn't show up in ls -l? (sticky bit = setuid bit?)
15:32<edbian>And the setuid bit allows the executable to be run as if it were being run by the owner of that file
15:32<dvs>edbian: I can see it. The fourth character is an "s"
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15:33<edbian>I see that
15:33<edbian>how do I set that?
15:33<edbian>chmod 855 ?
15:33<dvs>edbian: 1755? I'll have to look it up.
15:34<edbian>ok I can look that up
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15:34<dvs>S_ISVTX (01000) sticky bit (restricted deletion flag, as described in
15:34<dvs> unlink(2))
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15:35<edbian>Here's my real question. Imagine I have two systems. On machine A I have root and on machine B I don't. I could create a program on machine A that does something requiring root (e.g. writes to a file in / ). I can set the owner of that file root on machine A and turn on the sticky bit. Then transfer it to machine B and run it as root even though I don't have root on that machine.
15:36<edbian>This is a security flaw no?
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15:37<dvs>edbian: I guess it depends how you transfer it.
15:37<edbian>dvs, scp
15:37<dvs>I don't know if scp would preserve permissions.
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15:38<edbian>dvs, point being I transfer it in such a way that preserves permissions
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15:41<edbian>copy cat edbian_
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15:45<amakusa>hello, does anyone know if there is a package in the repos to install a javafx sdk?
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15:57<edbian>In the scp man page it says -p preserves 'mode' What is mode??
15:57<tuhin>is their any max size or date limit for "var/cache/apt/archive" ??
15:58<cahoot>why not clean it?
15:58<tuhin>i dotn want to clean it
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15:58<tuhin>i want the files there to stay
15:58<tuhin>so that i can backup them
15:58<cahoot>so how would a mix size fit into that?
15:58<tuhin>my internet is slow and limited bandwidth
15:59<devil>tuhin: max size is size of your harddrive or partition
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15:59<tuhin>but i sometimes noticed the folder size got reduced
15:59<tuhin>why it happens? that partition had free space
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16:00<devil>i never heard of that
16:00<tuhin>it happened when i got error about backuppc
16:01<tuhin>i got error abt backuppc 2-3 times and found that cache folder size reduced :|
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16:02<devil>that does not really make sense
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16:31<flipe> I am have a problem to update some python packages from unstable
16:31<flipe>the problem round on python-gobject, you can see at
16:31<flipe>can someone help me with this?
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16:32<devil>flipe: you are trying to install this in squeeze?
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16:33<rebuke>Hey, I just dual booted Debian 6 and Windows 7, I partitioned correctly and everything, but Windows 7 launcher/windows vista launcher are gone from my boot menu
16:33<flipe>I use sid and try to install from sid
16:33<rebuke>The partitions are there because I can access them from Debian
16:33<devil>flipe: why not use apt then?
16:34<flipe>but i get have this problem to install python
16:34<flipe>I try it first ith aptitude
16:34<devil>rebuke: is os-prober installed?
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16:34<flipe>i got the error and try with dpkg
16:35<flipe>but i got the same error
16:35<rebuke>devil: what's that?
16:35<MrFrood>flipe: it's an issue with sid at the moment - all one can do is roll back to a previouse working version and wait for the packages to be fixed
16:35<devil>flipe: dpkg does not resolve dependencies
16:35<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
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16:35<flipe>devil, I know
16:35<devil>MrFrood: well, that transition is over and the probs gone since almost a week
16:36<rebuke>devil: It's installed, just run it with terminal?
16:36<devil>rebuke: yes
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16:37<devil>flipe: did you run apt-get update prior to this install?
16:37<rebuke>devil: thats it? wow that was easy
16:37<flipe>all times I try
16:37<devil>rebuke: hopefuily that was it
16:37<rebuke>devil: ill go check brb
16:37<devil>flipe: python-gtk2 installs just fine
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16:38<devil>flipe: as i said, the prob with that is at least one week ago
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16:39<devil>flipe: what does: apt-get install python-gtk2 -s do?
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16:39<flipe>I try again now, and I got the same error
16:39<rebuke>devil: nope
16:39<flipe>aptitude install python-gtk2
16:40<devil>rebuke: ups, i think you need to run update-grub after os-prober
16:41<rebuke>Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
16:41<rebuke>Found Windows Recovery Environment (loader) on /dev/sda4
16:41<rebuke>good sign?
16:41<rebuke>:DD awesome
16:41<rebuke>now, devil, do you have any awesome themes insalled on your desktop or are you a minimalist?
16:42<devil>rebuke: no themes on me
16:42<devil>flipe: could you please put LANG=C in front of it?
16:42<rebuke>well, I see all these REALLY cool themes on gnome-look and I know for a fact that they can't be installed with just gtk2.1, and when I ran ubuntu some time ago it was a stupid process to get them looking how they should. any tips?
16:42<flipe>devil, sorry man
16:43<devil>rebuke: i dont use gnome either ;)
16:43<rebuke>devil: i figured >:| I always wanted to use Awesome3 but it's complicated to install and I'd mess it up
16:44<devil>rebuke: there is lots of readymade configs for awesome on the net
16:45<devil>flipe: wow, ...and 1110 not upgraded.
16:45<devil>flipe: my bet is, your prob is in thos 1110 packages :)
16:46<devil>flipe: sid needs to roll
16:46<weedeater64>rebuke: Hey, I'm running openbox, and while there is much I don't know, I have an functional system that looks pretty much like I want. Trust me on this, if I can figure that out, you can too.
16:46<flipe>devil, no, I run an aptitude upgrade some days ago
16:46<devil>flipe: it dodnt work.
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16:46<devil>flipe: or aptitude lies :)
16:46<flipe>I upgrade 7 days ago 1GB of packages
16:46<devil>i rather believe aptitude
16:47<devil>flipe: obviously there is 1110 to upgrade
16:47<flipe>so, I will try again
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16:48<flipe>devil, Need to get 240 MB/663 MB of archives. After unpacking 125 MB will be used.
16:48<flipe>I trying again
16:48<devil>flipe: so do that and then see what gives
16:48<planet8>I have a 10/100 Mbit switch and several debian machines also with 10/100 cards. When I transfer files using nfs it always runs in 10Mbit, is it not possible to force 100?
16:49<flipe>devil, right, thank you
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16:50*devil walks the dog. bbiab
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16:55<rebuke>I'm trying to install Awesome3 and it says to 'mkdir ~/.config/awesome' but I get "cannot create directory `/root/.config/awesome/': No such file or directory"
16:55<rebuke>and I'm superuser
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16:59<weedeater64>rebuke: not /root
17:00<sney>rebuke: I hope you're not running X as root.
17:02<weedeater64>Nor should you create that dir as root.
17:02<ompaul>rebuke: installing it as root ok, running it as root is seriously wrong, you never run X as root
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17:02<rebuke>Yeah I figured it all out, thanks :P
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17:05<rebuke>How do I disable gnome and enable Awesome?
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17:06<jhutchins_lt>rebuke: Your diplay manager (actually login manager) should have a menu.
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17:14<Pentester>hey any one know a code that would work on bt4 that will enable it to see my wireless card...its a dell xps m1210
17:15<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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17:16<Pentester>haha alright, i figured since ubuntu was based on debian there would have been a easier crossover, since ubuntu chat is dead atm
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17:32<sney>hello. do you have a debian question? that's what this place is for
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17:33<thewise>how do you get a printer server to work if the printer is being denied
17:34<devil>meta-questions are a pita :)
17:34<sney>being denied? what error message are you getting and where?
17:34<devil>and what brand printer
17:35<thewise>windows is not letting it print
17:35<weedeater64>any uzbl user here ?
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17:35<thewise>also my server failed on me
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17:36<sney>thewise: since we are not sitting at your computer with you, we will need many more details, starting with what you are trying to do, and what steps you took
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17:37<thewise>the hard drive still works though
17:39<thewise>but completely shuts off now now
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17:41<thewise>sney i know that
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18:07<weedeater64>In the KeyboardShortcut.js, in /usr/share/webkit-1.0/webinspector , there is the section,
18:07<weedeater64>WebInspector.KeyboardShortcut.KeyCodes = {
18:08<weedeater64>which have ,
18:08<weedeater64> Plus: 187, // +
18:08<weedeater64> Minus: 189, // -
18:09<weedeater64>How can I use those lines to increase/decrease fonts ?
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18:09<weedeater64>Or is this the wrong line of action for the task ?
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18:44<edbian>Trying to make it so that all the files created in a folder retain the group permissions of that folder. chmod -R 4755 ?
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18:59<raylu>edbian: chmod g+s -R . should work
18:59<edbian>raylu, thanks
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18:59<edbian>I'd still appreciate the correct numerical command if anybody knows! :D
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19:02<raylu>i haven't used a numerical chmod in forever
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19:02<weedeater64>What does 's' do ?
19:03<cthuluh>setuid or setgid
19:03<cthuluh>and setgid is 2 so it's 2775
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19:03<cthuluh>(since it should be writable by the group...)
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19:12<Thegame01ful>449+Me=450=No One Talk? :/
19:12<sney>sometimes it's quiet
19:12<sney>it's a support channel, if you have a debian question you can just ask
19:13<Thegame01ful>i thought they going to toilet
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19:14<weedeater64>Had to look at several pages to find that one, but it talks about numerical values and has a chart.
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19:15<rebuke>Hey I got awesome3 up and running, but I messed up the rc.lua file and I'm trying to uninstall/undo everything and I'm having some trouble getting back to GNOME
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19:30<edbian>I'm writing a python app that uses gtk. I use icons (stored as png in a folder with the app). Where should I store these files so that they can easily be found whether or not the app is installed. If e.g. the user makes a symlink in /home/<user>/bin ?
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19:36<simonlnu>embed them as base64 ?
19:39<babilen>edbian: You might be interested in
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19:40<simonlnu>listen to this guy ^^
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19:42<babilen>edbian: Hmm, had hoped Tarek got around to write a little bit more. I would hop over to #distribute or #python and ask there. The handling of data-files in python packages was a bit abysmal the last time I evaluated the state of the art. (~middle 2010)
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19:44<babilen>edbian: There was a lot of work (bunch of PEPs) and I tried to get a little more FHS standardisation in there. Haven't followed that closely in the last year, so I would ask upstream.
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19:52<vook>are there any adequate dns servers for linux other than bind and djbdns ?
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19:52<babilen>edbian: -- but ask in #distutils and #python. I have used distutils in the past and tried to adhere to the FHS as much as I could, by overriding build_py in to record the actual installation paths for data_dir and others. might also be of interest, but is the old setuptools variant.
19:52<simonlnu>vook: pdns?
19:52<rebuke>devil: you still here
19:52<vook>simonlnu: thanks - i'll look into it
19:53<simonlnu>vook: make sure you get a recent version. there's some issues fixed with upstream that debian's pdns hasn't fixed yet
19:53<rebuke>Does anybody know the terminal command to auto-add all bootable partitions to GRUB? It was like os-purge or something... I can't remember what it was. Devil mentioned it earlier
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19:54<simonlnu>debian's pdns-recursor works ok though
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19:57<rebuke>So, I need a little help. I installed Debian along side Windows 7; the partition is there and in tact because I can access it from Debian, but it's not in my GRUB menu
19:57<rebuke>How do I re-add it?
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20:01<babilen>rebuke: Make sure you have os-prober installed and run "update-grub2"
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20:04<rebuke>that was it
20:04<rebuke>thank you
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20:16<edbian>babilen, I just used os.path.realpath() but thanks
20:17<edbian>babilen, But thank you for the effort. I looked away right before you answered and painfully figured it out. Then I read your suggestions :P
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20:31<edbian>How can I view the umask of a file?
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20:37<cthuluh>edbian: there is no such thing
20:38<cthuluh>hi seth
20:38<edbian>cthuluh, mhmm
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20:40<seth>new to irc just testing it out
20:40<seth>trying ubuntu for the first time
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20:41<cthuluh>cool. remember that for ubuntu support you should go to #ubuntu on (different network)
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21:39<vlam>How do I install Emerald on Debian?
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21:42<planet8>I have an extern harddrive that gets plugged in via usb. At first it gets recognized as drive sdb1, then I start transfering files and suddenly I get an IO error. The drive has then been unmounted and changed to sdc1. Why does this happen?
21:43<phillipsjk>Is it self-powered, or does it draw from the bus?
21:43<planet8>It is self-powered
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21:46*phillipsjk is stumped
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21:47<raylu>perhaps dmesg is enlightening?
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21:49<planet8>"FAT: Directory bread(block 152608) failed", is this caused by a harddrive failure?
21:49<raylu>i was hoping for more information about sdb being unmounted
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22:25<wacheng>Help , I can't start X
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22:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:29<wacheng>Help , I instialled the nvidia driver , it cannot work , then I uninstall nvidia ,it cannot startX
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22:30<sney>wacheng: was it the nvidia driver from
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22:30<wacheng>tips : startpar : service returned failure : kerneloops ... Failed !
22:31<wacheng>Snry : yes , I down it from there ,
22:32<wacheng>sney :
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22:32<sney>wacheng: and you used --uninstall when you removed it? This breaks X. you can probably get it back with aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg
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22:32<sney>the nvidia installer is really stupid and should not be used at all
22:33<vlam>I'm sure this has come up before but is there an easy way to remove some programs that come with gnome, such as evolution?
22:33<wacheng>sney : aptitude reinstall xserveri-xorg ?
22:33<sney>wacheng: xserver-xorg
22:34<wacheng>OK ,try it
22:34<vlam>aptitude remove evolution says it will remove gnome-core
22:34<sney>vlam: yes, with unmarkauto and aptitude's solutions.
22:34<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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22:35<vlam>So if I used aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core I could remove evolution without removing gnome-core?
22:35<vlam>Ok that sounds good
22:35<sney>try it and see, anyway. you might need to unmarkauto a few things but the principle is good
22:36<vlam>What is the difference between gnome and gnome-core?
22:36<zero_>hi, i have debian 6.0.1 on a ibook g3 (ppc), i cannot see any wireless network, few days ago that was working but now not
22:36<vlam>Does the gnome package just come with more software?
22:37<sney>vlam: essentially yes
22:37<sney>'aptitude show gnome' vs 'aptitude show gnome-core' will give you the whole picture
22:37<sney>zero_: what wireless adapter?
22:38<zero_>sney: the mac comes with an AirPort pcmcia card
22:38<zero_>a few day ago, the wireless was working fine
22:39<zero_>but i formatted and reinstalled debian for a more clean installation and now it dont works
22:39<sney>is there a function key for turning the wifi on and off? some laptops have a button for it
22:40<zero_>sney: this pc dont have any switch
22:40<sney>zero_: also, airport does not mean anything for what driver to use, so please open a terminal and tell me what it says for 'lspci |grep -i net'
22:40<zero_>ok wait a sec
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22:42<zero_>0002:20:0f.0 Ethernet Controller: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth GMAC (Sun GEM)
22:43<sney>zero_: that's the only output?
22:43<zero_>its not detecting the card?
22:43<sney>zero_: ok, your wireless is turned off in hardware. double check for a switch, or maybe a Fn+F key combination
22:43<sney>it's like it's not even there.
22:44<sney>if there isn't, you may need to do something in openfirmware, or re-seat the card itself
22:45<zero_>ok, i'll check the card
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22:50<Guest3001>Question, just installed Debian on this computer, and I'm trying to get Skype, and other programs for that matter, to record input from the microphone. When I crank up the mic volume and tap it, I can hear that sound come out of the speakers, but Skype or the Gnome Sound Recorder don't detect it.
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22:52<Guest2997>anyone install gnome3?
22:52<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
22:53<Guest2997>does anyone install gnome3 ?
22:54<zero_>the problem still remains
22:54<sney>zero_: does lspci show it yet?
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22:55<zero_>but durin boot i saw the kernel detects both cards (wired and wireless)
22:55<sney>Guest2997: gnome3 is only available in experimental right now, it'll be a little while before it's ready for everyone
22:55<zero_>wired is eth0 and wireless eth1
22:55<zero_>lspci still says that there is only one
22:56<sney>if you do lspci -nn, and just look through the list, can you see the wifi card?
22:57<zero_>sney: it does not apear there
22:58<sney>that's weird.
22:59<zero_>is weird, during boot i saw both
22:59<sney>ok, but let's say it's working. you said it's an airport pcmcia card? is it an airport extreme?
22:59<zero_>no, is the older version of airport
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22:59<sney>802.11b only?
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22:59<zero_>it supports only 11 mbps
23:00<sney>ok, that's supposed to be an orinoco card.
23:00<dpkg>orinoco is a driver for 802.11b devices based on Hermes I and Spectrum24 Trilogy chipsets (previously Prism 2/2.5/3, disabled by default since Linux 2.6.35 in favor of <hostap>). WPA support for Hermes added in Linux 2.6.28 (firmware v9.42 or later required), see for more details. Installing the hostap-utils package will blacklist this driver. For Orinoco USB device support, ask me about <orinoco usb>.
23:00<dpkg>[screen] a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See to keep ctrl-a unbroken. #screen on
23:01<sney>dudemeister: you can also /msg dpkg keyword
23:01<zero_>i saw some during boot about Hermes
23:01<sney>that way you don't clutter the channel.
23:01<sney>zero_: ok, it looks like you just need the package firmware-linux-nonfree
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23:02<zero_>sney: thanks friend i'm triyn that now
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23:10<zero_>sney: thanks a lot man, it works now!!
23:11<sney>!congratulate zero_
23:11<dpkg>Good show zero_, you did it!
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23:21<vlam>dpkg is pleased
23:21<dpkg>vlam: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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23:27<lz>Where are you?
23:27<sney>in #debian :P
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23:28<sney>lz, joseph: this is the support channel for the Debian operating system, if you are not using debian or you just want to chat, please go somewhere like #moocows
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