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00:07<sss>help! speak spanish please
00:08<sss>Please help
00:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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00:09<Sergio>dpkg Thank you! brothers
00:09<dpkg>de nada, Sergio
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00:13<kop>mercutio22: Install emacs23-common-non-dfsg from the non-free repos and take the tuitorial. It tells you how to start it in the spash screen.
00:14<kop>mercutio22: (And remember. The tab key is your friend.()
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00:20<mercutio22>kop: thanks for the suggestion. I am kinda ok with vim. But I have to access mail on a mail server using mutt with emacs as editor
00:21<ayaka>mercutio22, change editor in /etc/profit or in home
00:22<ayaka>mercutio22, but all the default editor will change in this way
00:25<mercutio22>ayaka: yeah... maybe I should change it in .muttrc
00:26<mercutio22>I am afraid I might loose some macros set up for me by the sysadmin
00:26<mercutio22>anyways. I might have a chat with him
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01:49<user01>mmmm just did a squeeze update from lenny and my gnome bar is gone
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01:51<user01>so i did aptitude dist-upgrade and now it says it is going to install i386 kernel when i already have i686 installed
01:52<kop>user01: Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes?
01:52<user01>kop, yep
01:53<kop>user01: You rebooted after installing the kernel/udev when it told you to?
01:53<user01>just like here
01:54<kop>user01: No. That's not the release notes.
01:54<kop>!release notes
01:54<dpkg>Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at . See also and . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>.
01:54<user01>kop, it says the same thing, reboot after udev
01:54<user01>kop, and it links to release notes
01:55<kop>user01: Note that the i386 arch will install a 686 kernel if appropriate. There is no i386 kernel. The minimum is 486.
01:56<user01>kop, ok
01:56<user01>kop, well ill just see what happens once it is done then
01:56<user01>kop, also there is dropped support now in fglrx for my ati card so was wondering if i can have 3d anymore
01:56<kop>user01: The release notes will help if there is a problem too.
01:57<user01>kop, i had to replace fglrx with ati
01:57<user01>in xorg.conf
01:57<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see . #ati on
01:58<kop>user01: Dunno. Perhaps you don't have the non-free repos enabled? Or maybe the non-free stuff has to be re-installed. I know nothing.
01:58<user01>kop, nah the last time they supported fglrx for my card was lenny
01:59<user01>kop, they dropped it in the next version
01:59<user01>kop, ill have to google it
01:59<kop>user01: So your vendor dumped you?
01:59<user01>kop, its an old laptop
01:59<kop>user01: Better go get more hardware from the same vendor then!
01:59<kop>user01: ;-)
02:01<kop>user01: You probably don't need an xorg.conf any more then. (But save the working one just in case!)
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02:04<user01>kop, well it crashed with xorg.conf referencing fglrx
02:04<user01>kop, working with it referencing ati . . . think thats the same as radeon
02:05<user01>grrr shouldnt have tested out nexiuz 2 years ago thats some huge files to wait to download
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02:06<user01>500+MB for sound files alone
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02:07<th>is it a game?
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02:23<user01>ok restarting x to see if it works now after updates ...
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02:52<Gerowen>Can somebody help me out with this?
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03:00<dmvy>who know what with security squeeze packet list?
03:01<dmvy>why "Hash Sum mismatch"?
03:01<dmvy>sombody hear me?
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03:04<kenyon>Gerowen: instead of prompting for the source filename, take it as a command line argument. then you can just use find -exec with your script. maybe even incorporate parallel from the moreutils package.
03:05<dmvy>sorry, i drop connect to irc. repeat last messages
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03:06<Gerowen>Sup dmvy!
03:06<dmvy>what with squeeze repo?
03:06<Gerowen>Having problems?
03:06<dmvy>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismach
03:07<kenyon>dmvy: try again. does it happen every time?
03:07<Gerowen>kenyon: Thanks! As soon as I get a moment I'll also see about maybe some white space and comments in there. I never realized how cluttered it looked until I pasted it for other people to look at, :p. Good thing it's short.
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03:07<dmvy>this problem on every mirrors include
03:08<Gerowen>dmvy: Oh mine is saying something too, hold one lemme see.
03:08<Gerowen>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
03:08<Gerowen>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
03:08<Gerowen>those two for me
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03:08<dmvy>who can fix?
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03:11<dmvy>Gerowen: did you know admins of, who can fix problem?
03:12<kenyon> points to multiple machines. aptitude update worked fine for me right now.
03:13<dmvy>kenyon: which tread of debian you use?
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03:13<dmvy>kenyon: *thread
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03:14<kenyon>dmvy: you mean which version? squeeze
03:14<user01>how do you enable 3d support with the opensource radeon driver?
03:15<dmvy>kenyon: yes. this is strange.
03:15<kenyon>dmvy: you might want to post about it on
03:16<dmvy>kenyon: i don't have time. will be install lenny
03:18<kenyon>dmvy: why would you install lenny?
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03:19<dmvy>kenyon: i create usb-live flash with linux. i need only one packet bridge-utils. version of debian may be old.
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03:35<Gerowen>Sorry guys was playing Unreal Tournament 2004
03:35<Gerowen>aptitude updat worked fine for me as well
03:35<Gerowen>apt-get update however gave me the Hash Sum mismatch errors
03:36<Gerowen>aptitude update* <- spelling error
03:36<kpkarl>I'm still having the same issue as Gerowen
03:36<th>i'll try aptitude update
03:36<Gerowen>accomplishes the same goal, they pull from the same places, it's just weird that one would work and one wouldn't
03:37<th>pressing u while in aptitude will do the same thing, right?
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03:37<kpkarl>th: yes
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03:40<kenyon>it's because you're rotating through the IP addresses which points to in DNS
03:40<th>no Hash Sum mismatch
03:41<kpkarl>synaptic gives the same error as apt-get
03:41<th>wait, this system is not squeeze. it's testing/wheezy
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03:47<Gerowen>Question, I normally use Clonezilla to make backup images of hard drives.
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03:47<Gerowen>If I have a user's hard drive, but no computer, and I want to hook it up with my SATA to USB adapter, how would I go about making an image Clonezilla could restore to the hard drive later?
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03:48<dpkg>Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. See also <based on Debian>.
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03:49<user01>is there a support channel for ati issues?
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03:50<user01>not sure what is causing gnome-panel not to load . . . i end up going in and killing it and it pops up again
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03:51<cahoot> try #ati on freenode?
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03:51<user01>cahoot, freenode? isnt that ubuntu folk? :)
03:51<user01>ok then
03:52<cahoot>user01: I think you'll find freenode to be more than #ubuntu
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04:00<Gerowen>freenode is all kinds of stuff, they just happen to have a #ubuntu channel
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04:11<th>about the Hash Sum mismatch in
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04:12<th>i run dig
04:13<th>for every ip address in A records, i run wget
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04:14<th>md5sum Packages.bz2 result is: 923979bc95185e53572e6a546f518559
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04:15<th>but in Release, i find this line: 5a54d5fca9fa1d41713f8c0ed4b9e1b1 75040 main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2
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04:17<mjt>how about md5sum of uncompressed Packages?
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04:17<mjt>besides, md5 is obsolete
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04:19<th>f95ba70dbfbd032d26d772471aed348c Packages
04:19<th>in Release: dc1d6b7213b0e09011014014324061f5 390293 main/binary-amd64/Packages
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04:20<th>so md5 is not good for this?
04:20<mjt>it's of different size too
04:21<mjt>75012 actual, 75040 in Release
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04:21<clinton>I'm noticing when I'm in X keyboard events are still getting sent to the terminal. Is there anything I can put in xorg.conf, gdm.conf or otherwise to prevent this from happening?
04:21<mjt>th: the Release file is old. Packages* are from today, Release is from yesterday.
04:22<th>i see
04:22<mjt>clinton: what's "terminal" ?
04:22<th>so all i can do right now is sit and wait, right?
04:23<mjt>probably :)
04:23<catsup>'the terminal' = the virtual console from which x was started ?
04:23<th>mjt, thanks for the info
04:23<mjt>th: it's not how things _should_ be, apparently
04:24<mjt>but i've no idea what's going on
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04:26*th is a sitting duck
04:26<catsup>someone uploaded during the sync
04:26<catsup>so it's inconsistent
04:27<catsup>i don't know how that happened but that appears to be the situation
04:27<kpkarl>when is the next sync?
04:27<catsup>i don't know
04:27<mjt>it's this way for 12 hours already
04:27<mjt>and 6 minutes :)
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04:28<catsup>someone just told me they are every 6 hours
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04:29<mjt>that's for testing iirc
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04:36<clinton>mjt: like, the text based terminals that start up before X
04:37<clinton>mjt: when I log into X, it also logs into one of those terminals
04:37<clinton>mjt: and then whatever I type into X, gets typed into that terminal as commands
04:38<clinton>mjt: which would be awkward if I typed rm or something
04:38<Arrowmaster>that is seriously weird
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04:44<SynrG>sounds deliberate, whatever it is. like ttysnoop
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04:47<Arrowmaster>good point, could be some kinda rootkit/keylogger gone wrong
04:47<jekke>good morning gents. it is just from my computers that squeeze security updates are not available?
04:49<cahoot>jekke: you're not alone
04:49<jekke>cahoot: thanks... was afraid I had messed something up (again).
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04:50<jekke>i did do a ftp to by command line and it looks like the /dists have moved into a subdirectory or something weird like that
04:50<jekke>i will just need to wait with doing my updates until it is back in place
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05:04<clinton>Arrowmaster: What's so weird about it? I only recently had to X terminals taking both mouse and keyboard inputs from the same keyboard and mouse (I was trying to get multihead to work)
05:05<clinton>I resolved it by adding the following to xorg.conf:
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05:05<clinton>Section "ServerFlags" Option "AutoAddDevices" "False" EndSection
05:06<clinton>presumably because they were both reading from the same /dev/input/event? device
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05:06<clinton>could it not be just the same thing happening here?
05:06<clinton>I just need the terminal to somehow stop reading from that device when X starts up
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05:27<SynrG>clinton: like i said, it sounds like something deliberate (as opposed to merely buggy). so i guess your multihead setup is screwy still. not sure what you've done, so no idea how to help.
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05:40<weedeater64>Hello BCJOHN
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05:42<BCJOHN>so anybody touch PERL?
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05:58<va>video card ATI install a new kernel compiled pls help!
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06:02<towo`>va, your postdoes make no sense
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06:02<towo`>[11:58] <va> video card ATI install a new kernel compiled pls help!
06:02<towo`>[11:58] <va>
06:04<va>I compiled the kernel on my machine
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06:04<va>but do not know how to install video card
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06:05<armani>i get a segmentation fault when trying to install kde on my squeeze...but when i rebooted my system and did the apt-get again, it installed...should i still be worried? or is the problem fixed?
06:05<va>know to help me?
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06:06<towo`>va, which driver you use?
06:06<towo`>va, which graphics card?
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06:06<towo`>va, if you use debian, why compiling kernels?
06:06<armani>lol nevermind, i just got a building dependency tree segmentation fault
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06:07<va>graphic card is ATI radeon 3850
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06:07<towo`>yes what?
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06:08<towo`>for HD3xxx you don't need a specific driver, it works with xorgs radeon
06:08<towo`>if you want the binary blob, install fglrx
06:08<va>yes use a kernel compiled from
06:09<towo`>debian comes with ready kernel-images
06:09<va>I wanted to install the proprietary ATI driver
06:09<towo`>then do it
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06:13<va>kernel compile on my machine works better
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06:16<va>Where can you find information about installing ATI in this kernel?
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06:31<nevyn>WHY is m-a such an opaque pile of crud?
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06:32<nevyn>I mean asside from me trying to using it like kernel-package to build a alsa git head
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06:33<daemonkeeper>Because building kernel modules is a complicated thing as well. However you might be happy to hear, m-a is more and more being replaced by DKMS modules.
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06:34<NEOatNHNG>Hi, the Hashsums for seem to be broken for at least a few hours
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06:38<dpkg>Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
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07:02<nevyn>so what's the current "debian way" to get current alsa on your system?
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07:05<towo`>nevyn, install a recent kernel
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07:13<SynrG>and install alsa-base and alsa-utils
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07:15<nevyn>towo`: ah current alsa == alsa from source that I can patch.
07:15<SynrG>unfortunately the alsa-source package in debian is not very current
07:15<nevyn>no it's not.
07:15<SynrG>ideally, there would be a -dkms package. there isn't
07:16<nevyn>and the build script is rather evil.
07:16<towo`>that's why i sayed install recent kernel
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07:16<nevyn>so make-kpkg is where this is at.
07:16<nevyn>I was hoping to avoid that.
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07:18<dmvy> squeeze works again!!!
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07:44<user01>just upgraded to squeeze but my top gnome panel doesnt show, but it is running
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07:44<user01>when i kill it, it comes back up
07:44<user01>then when i reboot, same issue
07:45<user01>if i logout only after kill, it shows up
07:46<user01>when i log back in
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08:17<mzgcz>who can help me for how the exchanger'shell down
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08:18<petemc>what is the exchanger shell?
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08:20<mzgcz>when you login the net-exchanger, the command window
08:21<petemc>i dont know what the net-exchanger is, sorry
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08:23<mzgcz>petemc: maybe you call it like this "Network switches"
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08:23<petemc>does your switch run debian?
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08:26<mzgcz>petemc: no, I just for e.g. I'll write myself shell like bash, but much more simple
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08:39<costas>!beer dpkg
08:39*dpkg pours a quart of Stone Arrogant Bastard for dpkg
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10:40<DAeL>wenas akguna chica d sevilla o cerca?
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10:43<iCEmAN_CZ>join,silence,quit,join,silence,quit,join,silence,quit .... ^^
10:43<koollman>shhhh. don't wake them ;)
10:44<allennewok>just the case
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10:45<dominick>hi! I started gok. How do I close it?
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10:49<SynrG>i don't know. read the gok doc.
10:49<SynrG>*ba-dum* *ching*
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10:50<Reko>I need help with debian install
10:50<Reko>install works in start fine
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10:51<Reko>with asus eee 1000h
10:51<Reko>but when it's checking internet and dhcp
10:51<Reko>it doesnt find anything
10:51<Reko>with every other linux i dont have this problem
10:51<Reko>what do ?
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10:51<SynrG>1000h has ralink
10:51<SynrG>ralink needs firmware from non-free
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10:52<SynrG>er, ralink rt2860sta, i mean
10:52<SynrG>either use the unofficial images containing firmware, or else supply the firmware on any media accessible to the installer when it runs
10:53<SynrG>!installer firmware
10:53<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
10:53<Reko>i have to install rt2860 driver?
10:53<SynrG>no. that's included in the kernel
10:53<SynrG>you only need the firmware for it as per the factoid above
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10:54<SynrG>or just install over ethernet and get the firmware afterwards with 'apt-get install firmware-ralink'
10:55<Reko>hold for sec
10:55<Reko>no need
10:55<Reko>thank you
10:55<SynrG>you're welcome
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11:25<darsie>How can I verify the debian-archive-keyring?
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11:26<darsie>I used to run testing (squeeze) and now squeeze.
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11:27<anathema>Hi, i would like found a "Logitheque" for Debian distribution ( like Ubuntu) ?
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11:28<mjt>debian releases are supported for about 4 years - isn't it the same as ltp?
11:30<mjt>lts indeed
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11:31<jhutchins_lt>I believe the current policy is that when a new stable releases, oldstable is supported for one year.
11:32<mjt>so that's 3 years
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11:32<jhutchins_lt>mjt: Not necessarily, stable releases are determined by quality, not by schedule.
11:32<s_i_m>mjt, Ubuntu's lts releases usually somehow correlate with Debian's stable releases, because Canonical understands that there is no point in a long-term support of a random snaphot of Debian unstable.
11:33<jhutchins_lt>I thought Ubuntu was still on a six-month schedule.
11:33<mjt>jhutchins_lt: _about_ 3 years
11:33<s_i_m>jhutchins, LTS releases are rare
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11:42<Reko>or anyone how did read my text before
11:42<Reko>can i just install debian without hdcp and after that do firmware from
11:43<SynrG>yes, provided your install media contains a base system
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11:43<SynrG>(which it should for all except mini.iso, which is strictly network-only)
11:44<SynrG>why. having trouble even using ethernet?
11:44<Reko>sorry, hard to understand (bad engllish)
11:44<Reko>but, i guess it goes like this
11:44<Reko>1 i download .iso
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11:44<Reko>and start install
11:45<SynrG>yes, you can install a base system first with no network. then you can install firmware-ralink afterwards.
11:45<Reko>thanks a ton!
11:45<SynrG>which image?
11:45<Reko>not netinstall
11:45<SynrG>i mean, 1st CD or DVD?
11:45<SynrG>right, then you should have a reasonably complete system at that point.
11:46<Reko>one small thing..
11:46<Reko>how i can download firmware
11:46<Reko>when i am not connected to internet?
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11:47<Reko>move to usb stick with another computer?
11:48<Reko>ok and that should work
11:48*SynrG nods
11:48<Reko>after firmware installed
11:48<Reko>i just restart?
11:48<SynrG>yup. wireless should 'just work' after that.
11:48<Reko>ok thanks to you SynrG you did help alot! :)
11:48<SynrG>if not, you know where to find us :)
11:48<Reko>sure i do!
11:49<SynrG>also, see #debian-eeepc, our official channel
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11:49<SynrG>(our == the Debian Eee PC project)
11:49<Reko>okey thanks
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12:55<bluenemo>i have a file list with package names, one line per package. can i somehow get apt-get to read it and install those packages?
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12:59<tjader>bluenemo: cat file | xargs apt-get install
12:59<marfx000>bluenemo: apt-get install `cat /file.txt| tr '\n' ' '`
12:59<bluenemo>cool thank you guys
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13:00<bluenemo>ah nice idea with xargs
13:00<bluenemo>excellent guys :D
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13:08<bluenemo_>tjader, for some reason it aborts when using your version, using apt-get -y install helps. it asks for y/n but aborts before i can enter.
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13:09<tjader>bluenemo_: that's because apt-get can't get the terminal as it's in the pipeline
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13:10<catsup>you don't need tr '\n'
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13:11<catsup>the shell collapses all whitespace to single spaces
13:11<bluenemo_>ah the other one. i only tested the one from tjader as it looked simpler to me :)
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13:11<catsup>well it has the problem that it's not running from a terminal
13:11<catsup>apt-get install $(cat file.txt) is all you need
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13:12<catsup>also, you don't need cat file |
13:12<catsup>just use cmd < file
13:12<catsup>pls :P
13:12<bluenemo_>well that is simpler indeed :D
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13:13<bluenemo_>lol incredible. its so dam simple why didnt i get it xD
13:13<cthuluh>so xargs apt-get install < list
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13:13<catsup>erm yah
13:13<catsup>sorry, misread it. but no, because apt-get will prompt for confirmation
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13:14<cthuluh>on stdin?
13:14<catsup>you COULD use 'xargs apt-get -y install < list'
13:14<bluenemo_>well apt-get install $(file) works fine
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13:14<dpkg>our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt)
13:14<cthuluh>I doubt so, bluenemo_
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13:14<jhutchins_lt>!clone install
13:14<bluenemo_>i just tried
13:14<bluenemo_>works nice
13:14<catsup>cthuluh: he means '$(cat file)'
13:14<cthuluh>I know
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13:15<catsup>so what do you mean you doubt so?
13:15<bluenemo_>well no really just apt-get install $(foo)
13:15<bluenemo_>aeh cat sry
13:15<cthuluh>anyway, see man aptitude-create-state-bundle
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13:15<cthuluh>catsup: I meant that what he said was incorrect ;)
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13:15<catsup>oh ok
13:15<bluenemo_>wtf that rocks (aptitude-state-foo)
13:16<cthuluh>I guess that it was what jhutchins_lt wanted dpkg to say
13:16<jhutchins_lt>cthuluh: There's a factoid about generating a package list and using it to duplicate an install.
13:16<cthuluh>with dpkg --get-selections?
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13:17<bluenemo_>i did aptitude search '~i'.. you can give that to aptitude as well.. just was playing a little around and thought that somehow getting a normal list would be best
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13:18<bluenemo_>but dpkg --get-selections is a good option as well
13:18<cthuluh>the problem with aptitude search ~i or dpkg-getselections is that you don't get the automatically installed packages
13:18<bluenemo_>excellent would be to only print those packages manually installed
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13:18<cthuluh>so everything is marked as manually installed
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13:18<cthuluh>also, you don't get the apt configuration
13:18<bluenemo_>cthuluh, yes
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13:21<tjader>cthuluh: you could use aptitude search '~i !~M'
13:22<bluenemo_>ah cool that makes sense. thank you tjader
13:23<cthuluh>right. see also
13:23<cthuluh>!aptitude clone
13:23<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>.
13:24<bluenemo_>excellent. my question is more than answered. thank you a lot guys
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13:30<OdyX>Hi. Does anyone know of a way to test my laptop's fan ? I suspect it to have stopped working properly…
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13:41<daemonkeeper>OdyX: Depends on your manufacturer, I know you can control Thinkpad fans with some /proc magic.
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13:43<OdyX>daemonkeeper: Dell… i8kfan doesn't give me results so far…
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13:48<jhutchins_lt>OdyX: Probably monitoring the CPU temp is the best way to be sure.
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14:00<jcress>what does it mean if plugging a removable media (usb thumb drive) shows up in dmesg (as sdc) but doesn't auto mount (even though gnome is supposed to) and doesnt show up in gnome's "disk utility" ?
14:00<EmleyMoor>jcress: No filesystems?
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14:01<jcress>emlymoor: its brand new
14:01<jcress>and it should show up in 'disk utility' anyway
14:01<jcress>i'll try gparted
14:02<cthuluh>jcress: any sdc? partition (in dmesg)?
14:03<jcress>cthuluh: "assuming drive cache: write through sdc: sdc1"
14:03<jcress>then "no caching modde present"
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14:04<cthuluh>does blkid report something? mount?
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14:06<jcress>and now it magically appears
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14:06<plab1admin>how do i configure my user name
14:06<plab1admin>and ello ::)
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14:07<cthuluh>plab1admin: chfn
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14:08<monikilla>que tal?
14:09<brujii>how are you?
14:09<brujii>muy bien y tu?
14:09<plab1admin>im good
14:09<monikilla>quien eres?
14:09<plab1admin>how do i use that command
14:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:09<daemonkeeper>(and no off-topic anyway)
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14:09<cthuluh>plab1admin: in a terminal
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14:10<monikilla>what this?
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14:10<monikilla>what this?
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14:10<jcress>what files do I need to put on a thumbdrive to get broadcom support during a netinstall?
14:10<cthuluh>monikilla: you have #debian-offtopic if you want to chat in english
14:10<plab1admin>oh ok. so when i opened the program it closed out my terminal. how do i get my terminal back. i am working from putty in a ssh connection btw
14:10<cthuluh>jcress: I'd say it depends on hte broadcom chip
14:11<cthuluh>hello 8)
14:11<plab1admin>i am not used to multitasking or using IRC from command line sorry
14:11<monikilla>i don't understand
14:11<cthuluh>plab1admin: well, chfn requires a terminal
14:11<monikilla>how are you?
14:12<jcress>cthuluh: right, i just mean, the firmware files are somewhere on my hard drive, i'm about to reinstall debian (new hard drive to put in) and i dont have access to ethernet at the moment, just wondering how I can make sure to back up the right files
14:12<jhutchins_lt>monikilla: This is a technical support channel, not a social channel.
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14:12<monikilla>how are you?
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14:12<monikilla>what this?
14:12<cthuluh>jcress: I guess you have to try
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14:13<monikilla>how are you?
14:13<monikilla>i'm spanish
14:13<cthuluh>we have understood that
14:13<cthuluh>now if you want to chat, this is not the right channel
14:14<marga>monikilla: you might try #debian-es
14:14<cthuluh>or #debian-bot-offtopic...
14:14<monikilla>i can't
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14:14<daemonkeeper>Don't know about -es policies, but I doubt there off-topic talks are encouraged.
14:15<marga>daemonkeeper: they aren't so much frowned upon.
14:15<monikilla>i don't understand nathing
14:15<marga>daemonkeeper: it's not the same amount of traffic.
14:15<cthuluh>monikilla: bye
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14:15<daemonkeeper>marga: Maybe you could tell monikilla in a sentence or two in Spanish that this is a support channel (in English), not a social chat.
14:15<monikilla>entiendes lo que digo?
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14:16<daemonkeeper>Well, or that.
14:17<jcress>the debian installer prompts for a location to firmware files, i just forget what those files *are* so, i don't know what to back up to a thumb drive to ensure I'll have wifi during install
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14:19<brujii>no no
14:20<brujii>jaja i lovee... did you know
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14:21<MISS-DiSSiD3nT>can anyone give me some assistance regarding getting my sound drivers/hardware configured/working for a Micron Netframe 5200?
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14:25<jhutchins_lt>!tell MISS-DiSSiD3nT about alsa checklist
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14:44<xan>anyone could help me?
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14:44<xan>I run ssh into my remote box
14:45<xan>and my local power is off. So I want to reconnect with ssh to the same pts
14:46<victor>hola compañeros
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14:47<victor>alguien habla español
14:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:48<victor>muchas gracias compañero
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14:55<PIrr>xan, what is pts?
14:56<mjt>pseudo terminal
14:56<xan>Pirr, the tty
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14:56<xan>When I run w, I receive:
14:56<mjt>it's not possible
14:56<xan> w
14:56<xan> 20:56:18 up 2:44, 3 users, load average: 0,00, 0,00, 0,03
14:56<xan>xan pts/0 ::ffff:172.26.0. 18:22 1:15m 30.50s 5.12s -bash
14:56<xan>xan pts/1 ::ffff:172.26.0. 18:23 2:27m 4.92s 4.92s -bash
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14:58<xan>mjt: is it not possible?
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14:58<mjt>you can't reconnect to your old session
14:58*Metus Listo para la prueba Teorica CCNP3 CISCO QLO :p
14:59<mjt>you can only kill it, or wait till it'll be closed automatically
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14:59<xan>mjt: and now what I do?
14:59<mjt>ignore it?
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14:59<xan>I have the old session running a upgrade and I remember it displays a dialog question
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14:59<mjt>it's finished
14:59<xan>I upgrade from lenny to squeeze
14:59<towo`>xan, you should use screen
15:00<mjt>there's nothing running in there anymore
15:00<mjt>except your shell
15:00<xan>towo`: I had to use screen ;-)
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15:00<towo`>then reconnect to the screen
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15:00<xan>mjt, yes, the upgrade is running.... it waits I press return key in the old session ;-)
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15:01<mjt>if it were running your 'w' output will shows it
15:01<PIrr>I don't know how you can get to that pts, but for the future use gnu-screen, it is a terminal multiplexer, you can detach and reattach and if you loose your connection it detachs automatically
15:01<PIrr>and + you can open several terminals within screen and switch between them
15:02<xan>I know in *ideal world* I have to use screen, but I did not.Not offensive phrase. The real thing is that I have a trouble: I have an old session and a waiting process....
15:02<towo`>there is no old session
15:03<towo`>the session is gone with your desconnect
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15:03<mjt>you've no waiting process
15:03<mjt>if you don't believe me look at your ps afx
15:04<mjt>or you can re-run the upgrade - dpkg/apt uses locking to prevent concurrent upgrades
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15:05<mjt>ok, so that's in 3rd session you didn't show us, on pts/2
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15:05<xan>pts/2 is not important
15:05<mjt>ok, as you wish
15:06<xan>w only shows me pts/0, pts/1 and pts/3 (the last is the actual connection)
15:06<mjt>it's another pts opened by apt
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15:06<mjt>anyway. just kill that dpkg (pid 9599) and re-run it
15:07<mjt>you can't get to that pts anymore
15:07<xan>but it kills the upgrade
15:07<mjt>so spend all night long starring at it instead.
15:08<xan>mjt: the last option is not possible: dpkg waits I press "return" key
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15:09<xan>So the planning is: kill 9599, sudo, apt-get dist-upgrade?
15:09<mjt>not in that order, but yes
15:09<xan>in what order?
15:09<mjt>you can't kill it before sudo :)
15:11<xan>mjt: I run
15:11<xan>sudo, apt-get dist-upgrade and it gets me I have to use "dpkg --configure -a"
15:11<mjt>so do what it says
15:12<mjt>it unpacked several packages but didn't complete the install yet
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15:12<mjt>it'll ask you the same question again
15:12<xan>I think it continues to configure the missing packages
15:13<mjt>it can't configure missing packages
15:13<mjt>because they're missing
15:13<xan>I do NOT receive the same question (sys-rc replacement)
15:13<mjt>so it will be the next time you re-run apt-get
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15:14<xan>after complete process, Have I run "apt-get dist-upgrade" or reboot and do it after
15:15<mjt>it didn't complete the upgrade, i've no idea where it stopped
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15:15<mjt>if you planned to actually perform it, let it to finish the job
15:16<xan>when it finish, what should I do?
15:16<mjt>dpkg/apt is designed to cope with such setiation. but not all packages
15:16<xan>several "dependency problems" I get
15:16<quijote>how install a canopus dvstrom card in debian
15:16<mjt>it depends on what you want to get
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15:19<quijote>how install a canopus dvstrom card in debian
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15:20<xan>clean upgrade
15:20<xan>mjt: "Process stopped because too much errors"
15:21<mjt>which process?
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15:21<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
15:21<jhutchins_lt>!tell quijote about v4l
15:22<xan>mjt, one moment
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15:23<mjt>i don't understand that language sorry
15:23<xan>it's catalan
15:24<mjt>what's the full output?
15:24<xan>mjt: the first phrase is "There are errors processing..."
15:24<mjt>what's the full output?
15:24<xan>The second is "Process stopped because too much errors"
15:24<mjt>in english please
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15:25<quijote>ok sorry
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15:26<xan>the full output is here but it's in catalan too ;-) The most interesting part is the last
15:26<jhutchins_lt>!localized errors
15:26<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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15:27<mjt>and no, the most interesting is not at the end
15:27<mjt>debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
15:27<mjt>that's the issue
15:27<xan>dpkg, it does not work: it displays in catalan
15:27<dpkg>xan: bugger all, i dunno
15:28<mjt>that's the only message that's not translated from en to catalan
15:28<mjt>xan: it does
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15:29<mjt>and now, you look at `ps afx' again to find which process holds /var/cache/debconf/config.dat lock
15:29<mjt>i guess it's 10179
15:29<xan>Yes, now I run kill 10195 10185 10179
15:29<xan>and I try configure -a
15:30<xan>But dpkg and mjt, it does not work: LANG=C dpkg --configure -a
15:30<xan>S'està configurant exim4-config (4.72-6)…
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15:30<xan>that it's catalan
15:31<mjt>try LC_ALL=C ...
15:31<xan>mjt, now I have running this processs.
15:31<xan>it seems all is ok
15:32<mjt>usually on debian you only have one $LANG variable defining everything. but you can set LC_MESSAGES, LC_MONETARY and other stuff to use different languages for different things
15:32<mjt>so when both LANG and LC_MESSAGES are set, LC_MESSAGES takes precedence over LANG. But LC_ALL overrides everything else.
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15:34<xan>mjt and dpkg, wait a minute: my remote machine is slow (nslu2)
15:34<mjt>xan: dpkg is a bot
15:34<mjt>and i'm really going to bed now
15:35<xan>well, good morning
15:35<mjt>dpkg: bot?
15:35<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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15:55<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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15:56<salvatore>per che
15:56<salvatore>devo andare via ????????????
15:56<daemonkeeper>Perche questo e un support channel per Debian Linux, no XDCC here.
15:56<salvatore>ho linux
15:56<daemonkeeper>Moreover please talk English here.
15:56<salvatore>e forse puoi aiutarmi
15:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:57<daemonkeeper>O parli Inglese qui.
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15:58<salvatore>e la prima volta che adopero questo programma scusate la mia ignoranza
15:58<salvatore>come posso fare per andare su
15:58<daemonkeeper> /join #debian-it
15:58<salvatore>grazie adesso ci provo
15:59<salvatore>il mio linux e Ubuntu
15:59<daemonkeeper>Ti prego ancora una volta, parli inglese qua. (English only here in this channel)
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16:01<salvatore>I'm sorry and the first time I've used this program on ubuntu sorry
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16:02<daemonkeeper>As said, feel free to join #debian-it where you are allowed to talk Italian, note in both channels only _Debian_ is supported, not Ubuntu.
16:02<daemonkeeper>Ubuntu is on #ubuntu on
16:03<daemonkeeper>Maybe they have #ubuntu-it as well
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16:09<grummund>is there a simple utility that can be used instead of all the bash voodoo needed to correctly implement a lock files in a shell script ?
16:09<weasel>flock? lockfile?
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16:14<planet8>What is the best way to use linux to CPU benchmark/test a couple of machines? I was thinking about doing some compression on a major file, but am wondering if a tool exists?
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16:16<SynrG>there are lies, damned lies and benchmarks
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16:20<grummund>weasel: thank you.
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16:36<devil>planet8: Bonnie++ and compilebench
16:36<devil>uh, he gone.
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16:37<rking>I want to help somebody. To do that, I need a problem. Anyone have one?
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16:37<devil>rking: my dog got a sunburn. how to debug?
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16:38<rking>devil: I would assume the same way as with people... aloe lotion and time
16:39<devil>rking: how do i explain 'time' to dog?
16:39<rking>devil: You don't have to explain it, it will explain itself
16:40<devil>thats good then. you helped someone :)
16:40<rking>Haha... thanks, sort of. =)
16:40<rking>I guess all is well in the world of Debian.
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16:41<devil>atm yes.
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17:12<mujahid>I am having problems with Ubuntu software centre
17:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:13<Tiff>this is Debian.
17:14<debiankde>Debian only
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17:15<devil>Debian, the one and only.
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17:16<Tiff>I think he got the message, lol.
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17:16<valerio>hi all
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17:17<valerio>i need help for my notebook with debian
17:17<debiankde>that's better
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17:17<devil>valerio: be more specific please
17:17<Tiff>valdyn: if you have a question please ask.
17:17<valerio>it freeze during a restart after hibernate
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17:18<valerio>how do i investigate?
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17:19<devil>what DE? how do you hibernate?
17:19<jhutchins_lt>valerio: WHich release?
17:19<Maulkin>valerio: And what version of Debian are you running? What's teh laptop etc?
17:19<valerio>gnome de, squeeze, acer 1819tz
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17:20<valerio>not every restart, sometime
17:20<jhutchins_lt>ah, but sometimes it does?
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17:29<valerio>no idea? which log or command may i use to find an error and explain better my problem?
17:30<dpkg>debian-user is a <mailing list> for on which users of Debian can seek help from other users. List address: Archives: . Also available through <NNTP> from
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17:30<Maulkin>valerio: I suggest you email that.
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17:35<valerio>Maulkin: thanks for the idea, but there is a command or log file where a can read a type of error to mail to this mailing-list?
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17:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:28<selbeimanti>hi, is there any good reason not to use reiserfs on a 120G ssd drive?
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18:30<Gerowen>So I think I've found the problem with my fan not speeding up with the temperature of my CPU.
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18:31<Gerowen>When the computer first boots up, if it's cold, the CPU never speeds up above its baseline. If I'm just doing a restart and the CPU is hot, the fan kicks in and runs on high, but doesn't slow down when the computer cools off.
18:31<devil>selbeimanti: yes, its dead, jim.
18:31<Gerowen>So I'm guessing this package I see called "fancontrol" isn't working.
18:32<devil>selbeimanti: and it never heard of TRIM
18:32<devil>nor will it
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18:32<devil>same for discard. only known to ext4 and btrfs
18:33<Gerowen>Does anybody know a workaround for my issue? I don't even mind running scripts to crank up my fan speed manually.
18:33<Gerowen>But not being able to cool off my computer if I turn it on and play a game is annoying.
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18:34<gpm>hi i have an AR3011 bluetooth onboard. it shows up in lsusb but when i try to use the bluetooth gui it says i have no BT adapters plugged in. doesn't work on windows either. any clues/things to try?
18:34<mister2>hey, where can i permanently add a namserver? /etc/resolv.conf returns to the default...
18:34<devil>mister2: how do you congfigure your network?
18:34<mister2>the default network applet thing?
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18:35<devil>does that allow for adding dns?
18:35<MrFrood>mister2: do you use dhcp or static?
18:35*devil uses resolvconf
18:35<devil>which is not resolv.conf
18:36<mister2>my router's dhcp
18:36<mister2>well then why isn't it letting me access the internet? :/
18:36<mister2>i manually add stuff to resolv.conf and i'm good
18:36<devil>mister2: read what resolv.conf says at the top
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18:36<Gerowen>Can other things on the network get to the internet?
18:37<mister2>the internet is fine
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18:37<mister2>its the resolving that's an issue
18:37<mister2>and i know what resolv.conf is, but i don't know where else to loook, so i'm asking
18:37<MrFrood>!tell mister2 about dhcp client
18:37<Gerowen>What "I" do, since Comcast's DNS servers suck, is plugged Google's Public DNS into my router.
18:37<Gerowen>Thing resolve faster and more reliably
18:38<mister2>i've been using and it slows me down
18:38<mister2>i'd really rather just have my internet right
18:38<mister2>my name resolution i guess
18:39<devil>mister2: since you do not react to questions/remarks, what do you expect?
18:40<devil>resolv.conf drops everything added manualy after reboot. thats what it says on top of the file
18:40<devil>but you know that, since you know what resolv.conf is.
18:40<mister2>oh, i've only ever seen the "this file is generated by apt-get"
18:40<mister2>what did i not respond to?
18:40<mister2>bit stoned, sorry
18:41<devil>thats what it says
18:42<devil>and thats why i asked if the tool you use allows adding dns
18:43<mister2>idk, i'm not sure
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18:43<mister2>i've only ever been on gnome
18:43<devil>then look at it now
18:43<mister2>well connection information doesn't say i can change it
18:43<mister2>nor could i find anything in edit connections
18:44<devil>i have no idea what you use to set up network
18:44<devil>the tools or methods i know allow for adding dns
18:44<MrFrood>mister2: /etc/dhcp3/dhcpclient.conf
18:45<weedeater64>Gerowen: I don't know what is needed for fan control, but I do not have the package 'fancontrol' and my fan will go to work if I tax the cpu.
18:45<mister2>mrfrood: couldn't find the file :/
18:46<mister2>found it
18:46<MrFrood>mister2: my spelling is a bit iffy sometimes :-/
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18:48<mister2>mrfrood: no worries ;)
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18:48<Gerowen>weedeater64: What kind of computer do you have?
18:48<weedeater64>Dell optiples 650
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18:49<Gerowen>weedeater64: Desktop right? Cause' I have it on my Desktop which is a Dell something or other and it works fine, it's this Toshiba laptop I have issues with.
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18:49<weedeater64>ya, desktop
18:50<weedeater64>cpuidle: using governor ladder
18:50<weedeater64>cpuidle: using governor menu
18:50<weedeater64>found those in dmesg
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18:50<weedeater64>Did you check laptop in package selection, during install.
18:51<selbeimanti>devil: i heard btrfs has issues with occopying large parts of the space in certain circumstances?
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18:52<devil>selbeimanti: its not ready for bigtime
18:52<devil>selbeimanti: for SSD, use ext4
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18:52<mister2>what's the quickest way to see what version of debian you're running?
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18:52<mister2>i don't remember the comman
18:52<devil>mister2: cat/etc/version
18:52<selbeimanti>devil: ok, will do. thx
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18:53<devil>mister2: cat /etc/version
18:53<mister2>and 6.01 is lenny?
18:53<devil>lenny was 5.x
18:53<mister2>...oh... :/
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18:53<Gerowen>weedeater64: Yep, it was checked by default.
18:53<selbeimanti>will the debian installer automatically recognize the ssd as such and optimize the mount options?
18:53<nickgaw>with building a debian live CD that includes the debian installer is there a way to build an initrd with custom modules or the ability to pass modules to load on the command line like you can with the debian-installer?
18:54<mister2>i'm installing ATI's drivers, and i don't see squeeze listed :(
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18:54*devil just thinks how funny it is. running debian for many years and never installed proper stable.
18:54<devil>mister2: listed where?
18:55<mister2>i ran --listpkg on ati's .run package
18:55<devil>selbeimanti: nope. you need to do that.
18:55<mister2>cause i'm using a guide and it told me to :PP
18:55<Gerowen>mister2: They work, I just installed them last night.
18:55<mister2>oh yeah?
18:55<mister2>what version did you try?
18:55<Arrowmaster>mosts guides will probably do more harm than good
18:55<weedeater64>cat: /etc/version: No such file or directory
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18:56<mister2>arrowmaster: why do you say that?
18:56<Gerowen>mister2: Debian Squeeze 64 bit, driver version is 11.3
18:56<selbeimanti>devil: and the swap partition on the ssd is not a problem for the lifetime nowadays?
18:56<mister2>gerowen: but how'd you install the driver?
18:56<devil>selbeimanti: as i guess, you dont speak german, a good ressoource is:
18:56<weedeater64>cat /proc/version
18:56<Gerowen>mister2: Just, as root, ./
18:56<selbeimanti>devil: i do speak german btw
18:56<Gerowen>mister: Just selected default options, didn't do the "distribution specific package" or anything
18:57<devil>selbeimanti: i would not use one, if not needed. i dont use swap on ssd
18:57<mister2>well it throws up a "not supported version" error, or something like it for me
18:57<selbeimanti>thanks for the link, i was looking for something like that and never found it
18:57<Arrowmaster>mister2: because its true, most the stuff on the ubuntu forums is just so disastrously wrong its amazing that anybody that reads those forums still has a working system
18:57<Arrowmaster>and guides from other sources arent that much better
18:58<mister2>arrowmaster: sweet, well where would you suggest i look for advice? the man pages, i suppose...?
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18:58<Arrowmaster>yeah, man pages have never failed me
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18:58<mister2>all right, all right :(
18:59<selbeimanti>devil: so running a modern debian with 2G ram and no swap is a good idea? i won't be able to hibernate i guess, but otherwise, it won't lead to system instability?
18:59<devil>selbeimanti: oh, then you may check my blog at:
18:59<mister2>i just didn't want to learn it all to do it :/
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18:59<devil>selbeimanti: its got some additional info
18:59<devil>selbeimanti: with 2 GB i would use swap. i got 8 GB
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18:59<Gerowen>So anybody have any idea about how to control a computer's fan that does not change speeds after startup?
19:00<devil>selbeimanti: i composed the computer around the OCZ VErtex 3 SSD :)
19:00<selbeimanti>ok :)
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19:00<selbeimanti>i'm trying to keep some old stuff running
19:00<Gerowen>If the computer is hot and I do a restart, the fan gets stuck on high, which is cool with me, the problem is if I do a cold start it gets stuck on low, so I have to tax out the CPU and warm it up then do a reboot before I can play Unreal Tournament or watch Hulu.
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19:01<Arrowmaster>mister2: you are trying to install fglrx on squeeze right?
19:01<mister2>arrowmaster: yep, or something that'll let me play neverwinter nights
19:02<dpkg>fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see . #ati on
19:02<Gerowen>mister2: If you want I can re-run my .run file and generate a deb, throw it on my server and you can see if it works for you.
19:02<Arrowmaster>that wiki page has squeeze instructions but fglrx dkms is probably what you want
19:03<mister2>gerowen: that'd be nice, if you feel like it you should totally do that
19:03<Gerowen>1 sec
19:03<mister2>arrowmaster: so the x1600 is or isn't supported? that's a little confusing, sorry
19:04<mister2>there's an #ati!
19:04<mister2>sweet, i'll join that too
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19:04<mister2>you guys are tremendously helpful
19:04<Arrowmaster>i think that means fglrx doesnt support the x1600
19:05<mister2> arrowmaster so are 'radeon' and 'radeonhd' device drivers?
19:05<Gerowen>mister2: Ah I see what you mean, I actually hit the "generate package" option, and it doesn't have Debian "Squeeze" listed.
19:05<mister2>arrowmaster: can i just sudo apt-get them?
19:05<mister2>gerowen: yeah that was my first issue
19:06<Gerowen>mister2: Ah ok
19:06<Gerowen>Rollin' out everybody, gonna go buy a new couch
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19:07<Gerowen>Oh and if anybody has time could you check out my topic about my fan speed? Last post is the most relevant,
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19:08<Arrowmaster>mister2: yeah the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd package, you probably need to tell xorg to use that driver though
19:08<devil>Arrowmaster: radeonhd isw dead as a dead duck
19:09<mister2>so then what should i use?
19:09<mister2>if radeon hd is dead :/
19:09<devil>radeon or fglrx
19:09<mister2>k cool
19:09<Arrowmaster>hes got an X1600 so we dont think fglrx will work
19:09<mister2>i'm going with radeon
19:09<devil>depending on your card, you will need crappy fglrx for gaming
19:09<Arrowmaster>whats the default? radeon?
19:09<mister2>so that's already installed
19:10<devil>Arrowmaster: yes, radeon
19:10<devil>mister2: you need firmware-linux-nonfree also with radeon
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19:11<Arrowmaster>thats probably what he is missing
19:11<mister2>do i need another repo for that?
19:11<devil>yep. non-free
19:11<devil>add it to the line you have
19:12<devil>make it ...main contrib non-free
19:13<mister2>i just did it in the gui
19:14<mister2>alright, it's been installed
19:14<mister2>should i just ctrl+alt+backspace?
19:14<devil>mister2: restart X
19:14<mister2>isn't that what ctrl alt backspace does?
19:14<devil>ctrl+alt+backspace is depricated
19:14<devil>unless you enable it
19:15<devil>init 3 && init 5 will do, as will /etc/init.d/kdm restart
19:16<devil>ups, the first one will not work oin debian proper. sorry :)
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19:16<mister2>/etc/init.d/kbd didn't work, and i don't have a kdm
19:17<devil>oh, probably gdm
19:17<devil>for gomes
19:17<devil>gnomes even
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19:21<mister2>hey hey, so restarting gdm3 kinda worked, but i had to restart in the end
19:21<mister2>and now i have a gui again!
19:22<mister2>how do i check to see if my 3d fancypantsery has been enabled?
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19:24<devil>mister2: glxinfo | grep -i direct
19:24<mister2>thank you!
19:24<mister2>it is enabled!
19:24<mister2>fuckin' finally >.<
19:24<mister2>ubuntu has terrible support for this
19:24<devil>dont hold your breath
19:25<devil>try out your game first
19:25<mister2>gotta install it
19:25<mister2>untar it rather
19:25<devil>radeon is a free driver still in developement
19:25<mister2>well i'm gonna see if it works
19:25<mister2>if not meh
19:25<mister2>but it'd be nice to play some multiplayer
19:25<devil>fglrx is proprietarxy driver, craps out a lot and is unfree
19:26<devil>and not working for your card
19:26<mister2>exactly, so this is my option
19:26<mister2>otherwise i'll deal with not gaming
19:26<mister2>i'd rather not deal with windows anymore
19:26*devil has switched to intel gfy only for notebooks and desktops
19:27<devil>gfx even
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19:35<glick>hi folks
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19:37<glick>whats the release besides stable?
19:38<glick>squeeze is that stable enough to run on your desktop?
19:39<daemonkeeper>Squeeze is (the only) stable distribution available by Debian
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19:39<glick>and is that like debian where its only supported for like 18 months?
19:39<glick>i mean ubuntu
19:40<daemonkeeper>Ubuntu is not Debian and has no (direct) affiliation with Debian.
19:40<glick>i understand, but the debian release cycle, will i have to reinstall debian 18 months from now?
19:41<glick>like ubuntu
19:41<daemonkeeper>You never have to reinstall, since you can upgrade, even Ubuntu
19:41<daemonkeeper>Debian follows no fixed release cycle though
19:41<glick>yes but ubuntu is becoming atrocious
19:41<devil>daemonkeeper: you can try with ubuntu ;)
19:41<glick>esp with unity
19:41<glick>so i can no longer use ubuntu
19:41<devil>glick: ever looked at gnome3 ;)
19:41<weedeater64>Even 'downgrade' if you like. Etch was nice.
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19:42<glick>no devil
19:42<daemonkeeper>Feel free to switch to Debian, glick.
19:42<dpkg>Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>.
19:42<devil>glick: unitiy is nice in comparison (even though i'd never use it)
19:42<glick>please dont tell me for gnome 3 they went mac osx style
19:42<MrFrood>glick: notice the two dates in the message from dpkg
19:42<Arrowmaster>glick: each debian release is supported for 1 year after a new release, so when Wheezy is released there will be a 1 year period before Squeeze is nolonger supported
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19:43<daemonkeeper>Around a year.
19:43<glick>Arrowmaster, i see, but then i can just do dist upgrade right?
19:43<glick>devil, unity is crap
19:43<Arrowmaster>although its always best to read the release notes and follow other instructions than just blindly dist-upgrading
19:44<devil>glick: go tell Mr,. Shuttleworth
19:44<daemonkeeper>Discuss what to tell in #debian-offtopic
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19:44<glick>does squeeze come with gnome3?
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19:45<daemonkeeper>Squeeze was released long before Gnome 3.
19:45<devil>late here, i am off.
19:45<weedeater64>Lenny was nice too.
19:45<MrFrood>so was etch
19:45<arand>Is the vague plan to have G3 in wheezy, or is that even further off?
19:46<daemonkeeper>You can assume Gnome 3 being in Wheezy.
19:46<daemonkeeper>Note Wheezy itself will be $far_away
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19:46<glick>this debian install is going on my mom's PC
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19:47<EagleSn>i am using Debian sid on a new Asus EeePC
19:47<glick>i need it to be supported for a while, and remotely administerable thats why im doing all this
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19:47<weedeater64>Both had a slimmer/trimmer grub.
19:47<glick>ubuntu is becomming crap
19:47<MrFrood>arand: I think so G?? is being uploade to experimental and should hopefullly work it's way down - some interesting blog posts about g3 & debian over @
19:48<EagleSn>i have an issue, suspend to disk does not work, apparently, the suspend process is done, but when resuming, the system does a normal boot, not resume the saved image
19:48<EagleSn>i am in kde
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19:49<arand>MrFrood: Yea, I do follow the progress intently, I'm considering a side install of unstable once it moves along there, but that's dependent on how much time I have to spend on it at that point I guess..
19:49<glick>especially with ubuntu's decision to put the window's close minimize and maximize buttons on the left side insteaed of the right side
19:49<glick>how moronic
19:49<daemonkeeper>glick, I think we understood you dislike Ubuntu now.
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19:50<EagleSn>how can I find out why my system cannot suspend to disk property?
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19:50<glick>ok, im glad there is no ambuiguity now
19:51*MrFrood wonders if glick has considored using FreeDOS and OpenGEM :-/
19:51<glick>freeDOS? you kidding me?
19:51<MrFrood>glick: it's stable and has a long support cycle ;)
19:52<glick>windows 7
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19:52<glick>the beauty of a linux machine is that my mom cant foobar it up
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19:53<glick>since she is he arch nemesis of all things technological
19:53<glick>she uses only two apps on the computer
19:53<glick>skype, and the web browser
19:53<MrFrood>!tell EagleSn about suspend troubleshooting
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19:55<Arrowmaster>glick: so im guessing you need a working flashplayer too?
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19:55<glick>yea Arrowmaster
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19:56<Arrowmaster>in that case for least hassle i would recommend using i386 instead of amd64 even if its a 64bit system, and using the adobe flash player
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19:57<glick>i see
19:57<daemonkeeper>I use AMD6 and Adobe Flash without problems.
19:57<Arrowmaster>i run into sites that dont like the 64bit adobe flash player
19:57<daemonkeeper>Well, if I don't consider Flash as problem itself.
19:58<daemonkeeper>Can't confitm this, but I use the native AMD64 prerelease
19:58<daemonkeeper>The x86 hack was ugly.
19:58<glick>will html5 make flash obsolete you think?
19:59<MrFrood>glick: no
19:59<Arrowmaster>too much politics with html5
19:59<MrFrood>too many flash developers around for that to happen :-/
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20:00<daemonkeeper>More lie Arrowmaster says
20:00<Arrowmaster>microsoft/apple wont support webm, opensource CANT support h264
20:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 473] by debhelper
20:01<Arrowmaster>so until one of those changes html5 video is doomed
20:02<MrFrood>Arrowmaster don't the h264 patents expire in the mid 2020's..?
20:02<glick>google just lost a major patent suite that effects the linux kernel
20:02<glick>wonder what will happen
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20:02*Arrowmaster thinks the US revoking all software patents is the saner solution
20:02<MrFrood>glick: that is just round 1
20:02<Arrowmaster>MrFrood: dont know but by then h264 wont be used
20:03<MrFrood>glick: pay attention the ms patent case before the suprime court as it will effect all other patent cases
20:04<glick>what ms patent case?
20:04<MrFrood>glick: also rehhat have launched a case regarding this patent againt the people that sued google
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20:04<MrFrood>glick: there is only one ms case infront of the suprime court at the moment
20:05<MrFrood>Arrowmaster: people still use gifs
20:05<daemonkeeper>The GIF patent ran out
20:05<daemonkeeper>2007 I think
20:05<MrFrood>daemonkeeper: my point exactly
20:09<weedeater64>I will never understand the popularity of flash. It is resource hungry crap.
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20:09<daemonkeeper>weedeater64: You can watch pr0n with it!
20:10<weedeater64>I can watch porn in, mp4, mpeg, avi....
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20:10<daemonkeeper>Not (easily) in your browser.
20:11<weedeater64>Very easy.
20:12<daemonkeeper>Yes? Do you remember this boring video streaming crap years ago? DRM video from Microsoft, Real Player, Quick Time and so on
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20:12<MrFrood>weedeater64: Flash was an improvment on using realplayer :-/
20:12<daemonkeeper>Given that, Flash is a pure evolution, yes.
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20:14<MrFrood>of course flash is not a problem if one uses gopher instead of http :P
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20:14<daemonkeeper>In fact, Gopher was way better than HTTP back then.
20:14<MrFrood>still is
20:15<abrotman>anyway ...
20:15<dpkg>Gopher is a distributed global directory and hypertext system. Use lynx for accessing Gopher sites and the "gopher" package for Gopher+ sites. Iceweasel has native Gopher support prior to version 4, for Iceweasel 4.x and later an add-on is required (e.g. <OverbiteFF>). KDE users, try kio-gopher. To serve Gopher content, try pygopherd. #gopherproject on
20:15<weedeater64>I need to investigate this Gopher, you speak of.
20:16<weedeater64>I'm much happier watching vids with mplayer, than in a browser.
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20:16<Vlam>What is the package name for jre6?
20:17<weedeater64>And since my recent refusal to get flash, I find the quality of video content I see has increased drastically.
20:17<daemonkeeper>judd: versions sun-java6-jre
20:17<judd>Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.24-1~squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 6.24-1; sid/non-free: 6.24-2
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20:18<babilen>!tell Vlam about java
20:18<babilen>!tell Vlam about install java
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20:24<weedeater64>And isn't the use of flash a security risk ?
20:24<daemonkeeper>It is
20:24<syn-ack>It can be, yes
20:25<daemonkeeper>Like every plugin can be
20:25<syn-ack>Java's no better, IMO
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20:25<daemonkeeper>Right, everything being able to execute binary code. At least Java (and Flash) run in a sandbox.
20:25<syn-ack>Depends on the browser.
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20:26<babilen>MrFrood: back to your cave!
20:26<MrFrood>telnet port 80 :P
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20:27*MrFrood heads back to the cave :-/
20:27<mister2>what's a command to open .bif files?
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20:27<babilen>mister2: What is a bif file?
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20:28<mister2>some archive used in games
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20:28<mister2>i'm trying to get neverwinter nights to work
20:28<babilen>mister2: in wine?
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20:28<babilen>or the linux version?
20:28<syn-ack>I'm sure google knows for sure, mister2!
20:28<Vlam>How do I set up a sh file as a daemon?
20:28<mister2>the linux version
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20:28<mister2>syn-ack i've been googling so much, you don't even know
20:28<babilen>But I still have no idea how to open/edit bif files.
20:29<mister2>cat gives me tons of weird unencoded stuff
20:29<mister2>i think its supposed to be an archive
20:29<daemonkeeper>Use file(1)
20:29<babilen>daemonkeeper: Probably some proprietary binary format
20:29<daemonkeeper>May give you a hint
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20:29<Vlam>They are archives from what I've seen from in Neverwinter Nights 2 on Windows
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20:29<daemonkeeper>Are those files /supposed/ to be edited anyway?
20:30<mister2>its on my system
20:30<mister2>i think i get to do what i want with it
20:30<MrFrood>mister2: modern law don't work like that :(
20:30<mister2>daemonkeeper: idk what 'file(1)' is supposed to do
20:30<mister2>mrfrood: gotta catch me first :P
20:30<syn-ack>mister2, man 1 file
20:31<arand>mister2: ...
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20:32<mister2>so there's a windows program for it...
20:32<mister2>i'm gonna try that in wine
20:32<mister2>file *.bif returned "data"
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20:33<daemonkeeper>Very helpful ;)
20:33<Vlam>So I have a program and I would like to create a daemon for it so it will run on startup. I'm using ssh on my debian headless server
20:33<daemonkeeper>Vlam: nohup, &, start-stop-daemon, ....
20:34<nevyn>Vlam: or if you're lazy @boot in cron or rc.local
20:35<mister2>where can i permanently add a dhcp server? i use the network manager...
20:35<Vlam>it came as a tar.gz file and i unzipped it and it has a sh file in it
20:35<mister2>what i tried to do didn't workk at first :/
20:35<mister2>*at all
20:36<sney>Vlam: what program is it, anyway?
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20:37<Lanz>Hey guys, I've been experiencing this bug on my machine and a friend
20:37<Lanz>'s machine:
20:37<Lanz>Any idea if a fix is in the pipeline?
20:38<Lanz>Message 59 seems to identify the specifics of it
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20:40<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: Any "README" or "install" files in the package?
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20:41<Vlam>The program's linux version does not explain how to make it run on startup on a linux machine
20:41<Vlam>I have it installed and everything but I want it to startup with the computer
20:41<sney>Vlam: oh, ps3 media server.
20:42<sney>iirc it will just quit unless it has X, which means it'd be best launched from an .xinitrc
20:42<Vlam>How would I do that?
20:43<MrFrood>Vlam: how do you start X ?
20:43<Vlam>Well I configured it using x forwarding to my windows machine
20:44<Vlam>But since it's a headless server I want it to startup with the pc with all the other daemons
20:44<MrFrood>Vlam: startx or login manager ?
20:44<Vlam>There's not a desktop environment so
20:44<MrFrood>xinitrc is for startx
20:45<Vlam>So can I edit a file or something to put the path for the sh file ?
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20:46<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: How does it shut down properly when the server shuts down>
20:46<MrFrood>!tell Vlam about xinitrc
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20:46<sney>if you want a capable UPnP media server, mediatomb is a pretty good one that's already packaged for debian. for PMS, hmm... maybe a vnc X server, so it can stay headless
20:47<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: What does the script do?
20:47<Vlam>It starts a PMS.jar probably
20:48<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: /etc/init.d/README would be a good place to check.
20:48<sney>shell scripts are text files, you can open them and look. iirc. the PMS one detects the OS (linux, bsd, etc) and invokes java -jar PMS.jar with some networking arguments.
20:50<Vlam>So should I edit the sh script then put it in init.d?
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20:51<sney>read the readme
20:51<Vlam>Which one?
20:51<sney>the one jhutchins_lt just told you about.
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20:52<Vlam>Ok so basically make my own sh script to start playstation media server?
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20:53<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: Well, you could always complain to the people who supplied the package that it doesn't have a proper daemon initscript.
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21:01<Vlam>The community has made some scripts
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21:05<quietone> I have lost my trash can. Won't show up in panel, I can right click and put stuff in, but file->empty trash is greyed out. squeeze
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21:05<quietone>If I right click on a 'magic spot' where the icon should be I get the trash menu, selecting Open Trash --> "Error while spawning nautilus: Operation not support
21:05<Vlam>Resintall nautilus?
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21:08<quietone>Vlam, done. no change.
21:08<Vlam>How do I check the stats of a daemon? Isn't it like /etc/init.d/daemon status?
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21:12<Vlam>How do I add myself to a group?
21:13<sney>usermod -a -G groupname username
21:13<Vlam>This script has a variable for user and group
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21:13<Vlam>usermod command not foud
21:13<Vlam>not found
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21:14<Vlam>Do I need this package: liblinux-usermod-perl
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21:14<sney>it's in /usr/sbin
21:14<sney>not in a regular user's PATH since only root can do those operations
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21:15<Vlam>Ok how do I create group then?
21:15<sney>I think it's called groupadd but I'm not sure, could be addgroup
21:16<Vlam>nvm I ll try groupadd
21:18<jhutchins_lt>adduser user group works too.
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21:18<jhutchins_lt>Or was that useradd?
21:19<Vlam>Ok now how do I start the script in the init.d folder
21:19<raylu>jhutchins_lt: adduser
21:19*jhutchins_lt anticipates many more questions regarding this "install and forget it" server.
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21:20<Vlam>Oh I needed ./script
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21:24<MrFrood>!tell weedeater64 about gopher
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21:27<abrotman>MrFrood: you can "/msg dpkg tell foo about bar"
21:27<Vlam>I finally got it, I asked my friend to use his PS3 and see if it's there
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21:27<MrFrood>abrotman: kewl
21:28<abrotman>argh .. the 90s are over!
21:28<sney>Vlam: fyi, in my experience, sometimes the ps3 needs to be rebooted before it will notice pms
21:28<MrFrood>abrotman: 90's? that's late 80's valley girl ;)
21:29<abrotman>not in the on-line world!
21:29<Vlam>Apparently the machine thinks it's 2006
21:29<MrFrood>Vlam: my 286 thinks it's 1991 :-/
21:30<MrFrood>but I know it is 1989
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21:30<weedeater64>wish != know
21:30<Laedlin>can anyone help a newbie?
21:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:31<Laedlin>I have created what I belive to be a live debian 6.0.1 disc, how do I use it?
21:32<jhutchins_lt>Laedlin: Really? Boot to it.
21:32<weedeater64>Shove in drive and reboot.
21:32<Laedlin>it wont boot, and when I try to run setup, its an .exe
21:32<Laedlin>yeah i am confused
21:32<jhutchins_lt>Laedlin: Then you have not, in fact, created a live CD.
21:32<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
21:33<Laedlin>it is the debian-live-6.0.1-i386-kde-desktop.iso
21:33<sney>the debian *install* cd has a setup.exe, iirc it adds an 'install debian' option to the windows boot menu and reboots.
21:33<Vlam>Oh well it should boot automatically if you have your bios set to boot from the disc drive
21:33<weedeater64>burn as img, maybe...
21:33<Laedlin>i have set the bios, and I did burn it with brasero as an image
21:34<Laedlin>I can open and explore the disc, but the setup is an .exe file, which launches the archive manager
21:34<jhutchins_lt>Laedlin: Does the md5sum of the resulting disk match the sum from the server?
21:34<Laedlin>maybe it is mislabled?
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21:35<jhutchins_lt>Laedlin: Where did you get the iso?
21:35<Laedlin>from the debian page
21:35<Laedlin>lemme find the url
21:35<Vlam>It sounds like your PC is skipping over the disc and loading your installed OS. And your trying to use the set up in an operating system like Windows or some linux distributin
21:36<Laedlin>im on ubuntu 10.10
21:36<jhutchins_lt>brasero kinda clued us in that it was linux.
21:37<jhutchins_lt>Laedlin: Something you're telling us isn't right, possibly because something isn't what you think it is.
21:37<Laedlin>very possible, im fairly new to linux, using it about a year
21:38<Laedlin>here it the url
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21:38<Laedlin>it is the debian-live-6.0.1-i386-kde-desktop.iso
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21:39<jhutchins_lt>last 4 of md5sum?
21:39<Laedlin>oh hell, lemme run it again
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21:41<jhutchins_lt>There shouldn't be an exe there.
21:41<Laedlin>maybe i dont want the "hybrid" image?
21:42<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, not sure exactly what that is.
21:42<jhutchins_lt>Do you want live, or do you want an installer?
21:42<Laedlin>i would prefer a live image, looking for something new
21:43<Laedlin>trying to stay afloat amidst all this gnome3 and unity stuff coming
21:44<Laedlin>oh well, it was worth a shot, thanks anyways guys. Another coaster for me
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21:45<Laedlin>this is always so difficult
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21:47<Modular>is there a way to take a section of web page and display it in a different window? Similar to how MAC OSX's dashboard app works where you can take a portion of a window and display it's dynamic changes over time?
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21:48<Morpheus>Hello World
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21:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:52<capunk>how to configure squid, please
21:53<cthuluh>also, /usr/share/doc/squid3-common/QUICKSTART
21:53<MrFrood>!tell capunk about squid
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21:55<capunk>cthuluh : thanks
21:56<abrotman>capunk: squid really isn't that hard .. it kind of works out of the box ?
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21:59<MrFrood>but it can go rubbery if yoou cook it for to long
22:00<gdb>yeah, sux when that happens
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22:09<Vlam>How can I check to see if a daemon ran on boot up before I logged in with ssh
22:10<Vlam>Isn't ther ea difference between a daemon running for a user and before logging in
22:11<weedeater64>Won't dmesg tell you that ?
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22:12<Vlam>no idea
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22:12<weedeater64>Or something in /etc/init something
22:13<MrFrood>Vlam: why don't you look at dmesg and find out?
22:13<cthuluh>dmesg won't say such a thing
22:13<edbian>What should this be: deborphan | sudo aptitude purge
22:13<cthuluh>this is rather weird
22:13<cthuluh>edbian: xargs aptitude purge, I guess
22:13<cthuluh>but be careful
22:15<edbian>cthuluh: Where doe shte sudo go?
22:15<Vlam>actaully whats rc0.d for?
22:15<cthuluh>Vlam: man init
22:15<edbian>deborphan | xargs aptitude purge
22:15<cthuluh>edbian: before xargs
22:16<weedeater64>The scripts in this directory are executed once when entering
22:16<weedeater64>runlevel 0.
22:16<edbian>cthuluh: Then it says 'xargs: aptitude: exited with status 255; aborting
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22:16<Vlam>Then my script must be in the right place if samba is in there
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22:17<edbian>cthuluh: Looks like it works if I give it -y on aptitude
22:17<edbian>cthuluh: Thanks!
22:17<cthuluh>weird. I thought that aptitude would read user input from /dev/tty, not stdin
22:17<cthuluh>Vlam: it's hard to follow you...
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22:18<dominique_>good evening
22:19<weedeater64>dominique_: is that you ?
22:20<Vlam>cthuluh: I have a script in rc0.d and rc6.d. What should be in rc6.d?
22:20<edbian>cthuluh: yeah. Thanks! Works like a charm :)
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22:20<dominique_>weedeater64: don't know if i'm who you think i am, but yes, this is me :)
22:20<cthuluh>Vlam: wait, why do you put scripts there?
22:20<dominique_>weedeater64: anyway.. you are...?
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22:21<Vlam>cthuluh It starts a program before any user log ins. I ran a command something about rc update
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22:21<cthuluh>Vlam: those scripts shouldn't be there
22:22<cthuluh>Vlam: just launch this program from /etc/rc.local
22:22<Vlam>cthuluh: Will it start up without a user logging in?
22:22<Vlam>And kill it without me having to later the script?
22:24<Vlam>How can I put them in rc.local if I can't cd to it?
22:24<cthuluh>it's a file
22:24<cthuluh>how should this program be killed?
22:25<Vlam>Not sure, it loads a jar file
22:26<cthuluh>not sure is considered as an invalid response, you know :)
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22:27<Vlam>I thought the os killed everything by it self
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22:27<cthuluh>that's right
22:28<cthuluh>anyway, the most complicated problem I can see is "should this program run as root?"
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22:28<Vlam>Ok originally I had it in init.d but I don't think it ran without anyone logging in. So I ran a command and it got in rc0 and rc6. I have deleted the script from both directories. I copied and pasted the script in rc.local now. Is there something else I have to do?
22:28<cthuluh>paste the script on a pastebin, so we don't have to guess any longer
22:29<Vlam>lol alright
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22:31<cthuluh>ok, so definitely no, you shouldn't put it in /etc/rc.local
22:31<cthuluh>but in /etc/init.d/pms
22:32<Modular>where are pptp logs kept?
22:32<cthuluh>somewhere in /var/log, I guess. use grep
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22:33<weedeater64>dominique_: weedeater64 same in all channels, so if it was you, you'd have known .
22:34<cthuluh>Vlam: why didn't ''update-rc.d pms defaults'' give good results?
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22:34<Vlam>thats the command i used
22:34<Vlam>When I rebooted the machine it never came back online so I force restarted it, i figured it hanged at ending pms
22:34<cthuluh>so you should have seen links in /etc/rc2.d/ too
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22:35<Vlam>It's in rc2
22:35<Arrowmaster>did you update the variables in the script like it says to?
22:36<Vlam>Ok I have it in init.d should I run update-rc.d pms defaults?
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22:37<dominique_>weedeater64: guess it wasn't me then.. anyway, if you can suggest good irc channels to chat and learn about linux, feel free.. i'm new to this whole thing, so i'd be glad to know some others, make friends and learn :)
22:37<Vlam>Alright it has completed
22:37<cthuluh>Vlam: PMSGROUP=PMS?
22:37<cthuluh>are you sure you have a group called PMS on your system?
22:38<Vlam>Yes I made it but I'm not sure if it will run on boot considering i only added the regular account to that group
22:38<cthuluh>what does ''getent group pms'' say?
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22:39<Vlam>mjb is the normal user on the system
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22:40<cthuluh>ok. fyi, group names should be lowercase
22:40<cthuluh>not sure if it is a problem, but...
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22:41<Vlam>shoudl i change it?
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22:42<Vlam>I renamed it
22:43<Vlam>and modified the script to compensate, and ran update-rc.d pms defaults again
22:43<cthuluh>so, what does ''invoke-rc.d pms start'' say?
22:44<cthuluh>(as root)
22:44<Vlam>Starting PS3 UPnP Media Server:
22:45<cthuluh>and what can you see in /var/log/pms/ ?
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22:46<Vlam>logs labeled as pms-2011-04
22:46<Vlam>well one log
22:46<cthuluh>and what can you see in the logs? :)
22:46<Vlam>one sec
22:46<weedeater64>dominique_: /list *debian*
22:47<weedeater64>/list *linux*
22:47<weedeater64>/list *whatever_interests_you*
22:47<Vlam>a ton of code
22:47<Vlam>and GUI environment not available and Switching to console mode at the bottom
22:48<Vlam>and my machine thinks its 2006
22:48<Vlam>So everything should be working, now how do I know if it runs on boot?
22:49<babilen>Vlam: Still at it?
22:49*abrotman wonders why babilen isn't in bed ..
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22:49<Vlam>It seems like it should start at boot not sure how to make sure however
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22:52<Vlam>Well according to this:
22:52<Vlam>It should work the way I want
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22:57<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: Use logger in your script to report when it attempts to start and whether it's successfull.
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23:02<Vlam>I would have no idea how to do that
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23:02<cthuluh>echo "$DAEMON ok" | logger
23:02<Vlam>That would put it in the logs?
23:04<cthuluh>somehting like ... logger /foo/bar/your-app ok
23:05<Vlam>so echo "$DAEMON ok" | logger /var/logs/pms/pms-&month
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23:07<cthuluh>just ... | logger
23:07<Vlam>I've never done bash before
23:08<cthuluh>anyway, *what* is there in /var/log/pms/foo ?
23:08<Vlam>a normal log for the program i think
23:08<cthuluh>just pastebin the log
23:08<cthuluh>then it's alright, no?
23:08<cthuluh>try to stop the app
23:09<Vlam>Well the only way I can access this machien is with SSH and wouldn't it start when I log in if it only was set to start for the specified user?
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23:10<cthuluh>I don't get it. according to the setup you've done so far, the app should be launched at reboot, without user intervention
23:11<cthuluh>so are you ok with that?
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23:11<Vlam>Should yes, in a few days I can physically look at the machine and see if it starts before someone logs in
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23:19<Vlam>Ok well I think everything works perfectly, thank you so much guys
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23:25<rebuke>Is there a terminal command to view my local IP?
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23:26<cthuluh>ip address show
23:26<cthuluh>or ''ip a s'', or ifconfig
23:27<rebuke>thanks bud
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