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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-04-27

---Logopened Wed Apr 27 00:00:50 2011
00:03<dvs>jcress: http://wiki.debian.org/wl
00:03<ussa>what do I install to solve this? line 68: java: command not found, java-runtime?
00:03<jcress>dvs: read that
00:03<jcress>dvs: thanks though
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00:05<project2501a>ussa: apt-get install java{5,6}-bin*
00:06<project2501a>man i wish etherwake was working properly around here... i would not have to go to the datacenter and reboot the nodes.
00:06<project2501a>maybe i should rtfm on juneos
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00:18<Agentkiller4>hello there, i have a question about modifying/removing gtk+ scrollbars from applications?
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00:19<Prathibha>I have installer debian squeeze. But I am getting the GUI. It shows Fails to start the X Server (Your Graphical interface). I have Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller. How to get the GUI?
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00:20<Agentkiller4>Prathibha: is there any spicific error message?
00:21<Agentkiller4>anywhere where it hangs off?
00:21<nevyn>Prathibha: what is the output of lspci|grep VIDEO
00:22<Agentkiller4>and also, if you want to, before trying startx, try fix-vesa
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00:50<Prathibha>nevyn, VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge IntegratedGraphics Controller
00:51<nevyn>hrm...
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01:08<drkheart7>wow
01:08<cthuluh>incredible, heh?
01:08<drkheart7>yeah
01:08<drkheart7>armitage
01:08<drkheart7>anyone?
01:09<chealer>Prathibha: how familiar are you with Debian or UNIX? can you check X's log?
01:09<crunchbang>shock and awe
01:09<drkheart7>out of the 457 in here no one has used armitage alongside metasploit?
01:13*MrFrood has used Armitage Shanks on many occasions ;)
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01:15<drkheart7>lol
01:15<drkheart7>nice
01:15<vorteks>hello, i read on google i needd to run a virtaul window manager for internet explorer to run the fasfa student aid app. how can i do this?
01:16<sney>virtual window manager? that's probably not right
01:17<sney>they most likely meant you need a virtual machine running windows, like virtualbox. you can also run internet explorer in wine.
01:17<drkheart7>there is also playonlinux to do so
01:17<sney>playonlinux is a wine wrapper.
01:18<drkheart7>:)
01:18<drkheart7>yeah
01:18<sney>and generally overcomplicated for just running a browser.
01:18<drkheart7>how so?
01:18<drkheart7>simple
01:18<drkheart7>easy
01:18<kFreeBSDNoob>Has anybody tried the Linux Sorcerer OS? I think it froze or something.
01:18<drkheart7>never heard of it
01:18<cthuluh>dead
01:19<sney>dead like so many
01:19<drkheart7>true
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01:20<drkheart7>www.distrowatch.com
01:20<kFreeBSDNoob>argh, those sneaky people!
01:21<cthuluh>kFreeBSDNoob: so you call yourself a noob, and you use debian gnu/kfreebsd? weird, imho :)
01:21<sney>it's hard to keep a distro going, it's a lot of work
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01:23<kFreeBSDNoob>I guess 3 years worth of work does not mean a distro ready for use.
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01:23<drkheart7>lol
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01:35<kFreeBSDNoob>Does anybody know what is a businesscard CD image?
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01:35<nevyn>kFreeBSDNoob: a cd image designed to fit on business card CD's
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01:41<kFreeBSDNoob>Oh! those things. I haven't seen those for a while. It's those smallers CDs.
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01:45<kFreeBSDNoob>Is there a way to determine size of a Debian release?
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01:46<drkheart7>you are a noob eh?
01:46<drkheart7>:)
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01:48<retrospectacus>kFreeBSDNoob: install it and see how many megs it took
01:48<kFreeBSDNoob>Yes, as in I can't seem to get the desired results. I had just one considerable success in the installation of a old ubuntu release (for a old machine).
01:48<kFreeBSDNoob>I might as well.
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01:53<kFreeBSDNoob>screenshots of debian 3.1r0, codename sarge.
01:53<kFreeBSDNoob>http://www.linuxcdmall.com/debian-3.1r0-screenshots-12.html
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01:59<chealer>kFreeBSDNoob: add up the size of all packages, if that's really what you want to know
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02:02<twb>Which radius server should I use?
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02:02<nevyn>twb: one that's half it's diameter
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02:03<hnsndglsstrgll>Does stable necesarily (sp?) mean secure in Debian? Meaning, is it safe to use chromium-browser 6 even though the current open source version is at 10?
02:03<twb>This is to sit between my WPA2-Enterprise 802.11n APs and my RFC2307 LDAP server, preferably connecting to the latter via pam
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02:04<kFreeBSDNoob>I can download debian 3 via jigdo... ok.
02:04<phillipsjk>hnsndglsstrgll, How paranoid are you? Most packages will have security patches back-ported.
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02:05<hnsndglsstrgll>phillipsjk, That's what I was wondering. For example, I know of people still using Firefox 3.6 who claim it's secure
02:05<nevyn>twb: freeradius seems sane.
02:05<kFreeBSDNoob>in binaries.
02:06<hnsndglsstrgll>phillipsjk, cool. I won't worry about it then.
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02:07*phillipsjk gave away the 7+1 CD set of debian woody a few weeks ago.
02:07<chealer>hnsndglsstrgll: what do you mean by sp?
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02:08<chealer>phillipsjk: what about boot floppies?
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02:09<phillipsjk>They are buried in the CD image. Had to re-create the driver disks.
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02:09<chealer>tssk tsk
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02:09<hnsndglsstrgll>chealer, oh, I always do that if I think I've made a spelling mistake. Not sure where've I've seen it. If I do it on twitter though, a spelling bot tells me if I was right or not :p
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02:12<chealer>hnsndglsstrgll: oh, spelling then. I thought that would be too short to lookup
02:12<chealer>hnsndglsstrgll: necessarily surely
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02:13<twb>nevyn: you're the third vote for freeradius, so that is now officially plan A
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02:14<chealer>hnsndglsstrgll: stable *should* mean safe. if it's not safe, it's a bug. but there's not that much effort into it. it was already discussed that stable security support of some browser(s?) may be dropped (for a given release).
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02:18<chealer>dpkg: stable security issues
02:18<dpkg>http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable
02:19<kFreeBSDNoob>I found some errors/missing_files in my debian 3 jigdo download.
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02:31<nubfilter>what do you guys reccomend for creating an encrypted squeeze system? I am thinking I would like to require a USB key to boot, either by having the boot volume on the USB key, or just a decryption key on the USB key. What would you guys reccomend? I want the system to be completely unusable without the USB key.
02:31<nubfilter>(at BOOT time only, it will be removed for safe keeping after boot)
02:31<nevyn>dmcrypt is the new black.
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02:32<nevyn>I've been considering moving the crypt store out of the initrd somehow
02:32<nevyn>that'd be cool
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02:41<catsup>nubfilter: put the bootloader on the usb key. otherwise, an attacker can still put code there
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02:41<nubfilter>that's what I'm thinking
02:41<nubfilter>catsup: the USB key must remain UNENCRYPTED, correct?
02:41<nevyn>so bootloader and initrd on usbkey
02:41<nevyn>nubfilter: nope.
02:42<catsup>well, the bootloader must remain unencrypted
02:42<nevyn>well the contents of the key itself
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02:42<nevyn>but not the disk key
02:42<catsup>but your private key, to decrypt the disk, can be encrypted with a passphrase
02:42<catsup>that doesn't protect you against an attacker who can steal the usb key and replace it without your knowledge
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02:43<catsup>but it does protect you against an attacker who steals the usb key and the hard drive (which is more likely)
02:43<nubfilter>Ideally I would like the key to be required, and a passphrase to decrypt the keys on the USB key
02:43<catsup>yep
02:43<nubfilter>but then the key to be removable after boot
02:43<nubfilter>obviously :)
02:43<catsup>nubfilter: i actually wrote a custom installer, that sets everythign up just like that
02:44<nubfilter>catsup: what are the chances a guy like me could get a copy of that?
02:44<catsup>eh
02:44<catsup>unfortunately, you probably wouldn't find it useful at this point
02:44<nubfilter>or perhaps a handy URL with some how-tos. I am not finding one that that seems to be exactly what im looking for
02:45<catsup>it is a component in a larger system i am working on and is not exactly in a polished state
02:46<nubfilter>well I was thinking there must be some way to manually bootstrap the installer after doing some manual tweaking pre install
02:46<catsup>just do a normal install with /boot on a separate partition and everything else encrypted
02:47<nubfilter>so you would mount /boot to /dev/<usbID>
02:47<nubfilter>?
02:48<nubfilter>and then specify it as the device to install the bootloader?
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02:48<catsup>actually what i had in mind was putting /boot on the hard drive
02:48<catsup>then you can install it to usb later
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02:49<nubfilter>ahh
02:49<catsup>but it would probably be possible to massage the debian installer to do it directly
02:49<nubfilter>yes that was my thought
02:49<catsup>you should be able to specify your usb key on /boot just with the manual partition option
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02:50<catsup>the only issue is maybe the grub install won't want to go on there -- you might have to go to the installer console, chroot to /target, and configure grub manually
02:51<catsup>don't forget to back up your usb key
02:51<nubfilter>Yes, i purchased 5 just in case.
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02:52<costas>well, I used to be a privacy freak myself... a good BIOS password is enough for me these days...
02:52<costas>!encryption
02:52<dpkg>Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 . See also <dm-crypt>, <encfs>, <gpg>, <luks>.
02:52<costas>the above sounds good to the ones that need it...
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02:53<catsup>costas: bios password?? you can just remove the disk
02:53<nubfilter>or... put in the reset jumper?
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02:54<costas>well, my home is safe... noone gets in, so I don't worry...
02:54<catsup>then why use a bios password?
02:54<nubfilter>I have to have the drive unreadable, I will have data that I will be liable for if disclosed.
02:55<nubfilter>if they take the machine, or just the drive.
02:55<costas>it was back in the day I used windows, in order to avoid tricky trojans
02:56<costas>in nubfilter's case I suggest LVM encryption, or a custom installer with strong passwords like you were talking about previously...
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02:59<costas>...but passwords are only good if you change them often...
03:00<nubfilter>A strong password and a physical USB key would be good enough for me
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03:01<nubfilter>it requires physically having the key, and also knowing the secret
03:01<phillipsjk>And this key will be hard to duplicate?
03:02<costas>nubfilter, in your case I would suggest encrypted external hard drives with all sensitive data there, not on the system in use...
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03:03<nubfilter>I was thinking the key file would be similar to the key files Truecrypt uses
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03:04<k-man_>what should one do if a perl module available to my debian system is too old?
03:04<k-man_>remove and re-install from cpan?
03:04<soloflyer>upgrade it?
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03:04<soloflyer>which module?
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03:05<k-man_>DateTime::Format::MSSQL
03:05<k-man_>soloflyer, upgrade it how?
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03:13<EmleyMoor>What's the best way to install inform on squeeze amd64?
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03:17<Prathi>I have installed debian squeeze in my system. I am not getting the GUI. THe Xorg.0.log file shows the following error: (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected.(II) UnloadModule: "intel" (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
03:18<neal>hi all
03:18<costas>k-man I suggest first an apt-get install and an apt-get upgrade...
03:19<costas>!tell Prathi about xorg
03:19<neal>new to this
03:19<soloflyer>k-man_: is that module even packaged in debian? i cant find it at all
03:20<soloflyer>k-man_: if its not specifically packaged, just grab it from cpan
03:20<soloflyer>k-man_: use cpanminus
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03:21<k-man_>soloflyer, sorry, I meant this package:
03:21<k-man_>libdatetime-format-dbi-perl
03:21<philippeB>need to be check 8I am not sure) but perhaps it is packaged in libdatetime-format-dbi-perl
03:22<philippeB>yep :-)
03:22<EmleyMoor>(would I perhaps be able to try a 64-bit package intended for Ubuntu and easily back it out if it doesn't work, say?)
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03:23<chealer>Prathi: try setting X to use the vesa driver instead, or try wheezy instead of squeeze
03:23<soloflyer>k-man_: what version does this tell you that you have dpkg -l libdatetime-format-dbi-perl
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03:24<k-man_>soloflyer, 0.035-1
03:24<soloflyer>EmleyMoor: as long as the package has been built correctly, and you keep track of the non-standard packages you should be able to install and easily backout using dpkg
03:25<soloflyer>k-man_: according to http://packages.debian.org/libdatetime-format-dbi-perl 0.040-a is available in testing
03:25<EmleyMoor>soloflyer: OK, might try that.
03:26*EmleyMoor has some interesting ideas for interactive fiction...
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03:28<k-man_>well, I have mixed versions of debian before and I believe it is considered a poor approach
03:29<Arrowmaster>its not an arch specific package, shouldnt run into any issues installing it directly
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03:30<jww>hi !
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03:35<costas>!tell k-man_ about proposed-updates
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03:36<k-man_>costas, ah thats interesting, thanks
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03:41<soloflyer>k-man_: unless the reason you need a newer version is because of a bug or other problem, you wont be seeing a newer version of the perl module you want in proposed-updates
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03:45<soloflyer>k-man_: yes, pulling packages from other releases is a bad idea, and i would reccommended you dont pull in anything you dont need... since the package in question doesnt require any specfic version of other packages it should require anything else be pulled from test and should be safe
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03:45<soloflyer>s/should require/shouldnt require/
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03:58<costas>k-man_, if stable works, don't fix it...
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04:01<costas>newbie peeps get into trouble when they mess with testing or experimental packages, I only suggest proposed-updates when they're really necessary...
04:01<costas>!beer dpkg
04:01*dpkg pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg
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04:24<armani>when i try to switch to tty4 after loading Xfce, squeeze gives me a black screen and i can't shift back out...any one else get that problem?
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04:33<classical>does anybody uses Sheevaplug ?
04:33<classical>i can't find grub
04:33<classical>its not under /boot
04:33<classical>where it might be ?
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04:35<ayaka>classical, you don't find what?grub2?
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04:36<SynrG>are you sure it uses grub?
04:36<SynrG>might use syslinux
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04:37<classical>ayaka, yes im search grub
04:37<classical>SynrG, i dunno
04:38<classical>how can i figure this out
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04:49<costas>classical, I guess you read this: http://plugcomputer.org/index.php/us/resources/documentation
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04:52<classical>costas, no i did not i will take a look thanks
04:52<costas>np
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05:19<fsaddggdsgdgdssgd>hi
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05:23<fsaddggdsgdgdssgd>veververververver
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05:26<will>hello
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05:32<will>can someone tell me which software is recommended to use a 56k usb modem?
05:33<will>i tried gnome ppp but it can't detect the hardware
05:33<will>because i don't have the /dev/modem device file
05:34<petemc>some modems werent proper modems at all but required all the work done in software, of which a linux version may not exist
05:34<petemc>least, thats how i remember it, been a while
05:34<jww>winmodems :\
05:34<jww>will: which brand/model is your modem ?
05:34<will>i own a us robotics 5637
05:35<costas>!tell will about PPP
05:35<jww>lemme check. but wvdial is what you need prolly.
05:36<jww>will: you're lucky us robotics show it as supported under linux.
05:36<will>indeed that's why i choose it
05:37<will>but on the us robotics website there's no guide for linux
05:37<will>only a flash utility with a firmware
05:38<will>the seems
05:38<will>device* seems to work
05:39<will>because I can see it with lsusb
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05:40<will>but i don't know think /dev/usb/xx/xx is the common device file
05:40<will>arf
05:40<kooll>iirc, it should pretty much just works. you may need to load acm module. I think that modem is very standard (usc cdc-acm protocol)
05:41<kooll>ah, no, the module name is cdc-acm , not just acm
05:41<kooll>look at the output of dmesg just before and after you plug the modem to the computer
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05:48<will>well
05:49<will>i can see "cdc_acm 1-1:2.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device" in messages
05:49<will>it means the modem is known as ttyACM0
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05:50<kooll>will: indeed. so you probably have a /dev/ttyACM0 device
05:50<kooll>which is usable as a modem
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05:51<will>yep
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05:51<mjt>anyone tried to use udf on a flash (or a regular hdd) instead of "usual" ext*fs? I'm thinking about installing our router to a compactFlash card instead of a regular hard drive, the only writable filessytem will be /var (for logs and stuff like that), how ufs is more "flash-friendly" if at all?
05:53<kooll>will: maybe gnome-ppp is looking for a /dev/modem device, you can do : ln -s /dev/ttyACM0 /dev/modem
05:54<will>kooll: i changed to the field to /dev/ttyACM0 but it failed
05:54<kooll>with which error message?
05:54<will>the modem is not detected
05:55<kooll>not very helpful :)
05:55<will>lol
05:56<Blackleo_handy>Wat's is here the files system ext 3 or 4 ???
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06:02<will>costas: thanks for the pppconfig tip
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06:05<costas>np
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06:37<will>costas: i made a fake connection with pppconfig and it seems to work
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06:38<will>i hope it will work abroad too
06:39<r4co0n>Hey guys. My question is a bit off-topic, just a software recommendation for Debian. I have a website running on an apache, I want this site to send an email via html-form to a spam-detection-postbox locally accesible on the server.(maybe spamassasin) This layer shall now sort the weeds out and put the mail in two different imap-folders. What software would u recommend? I have no pop3/smtp/imap installed rn. Thanks for taking the t
06:39<r4co0n>ime reading this.
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06:56<r4co0n>No one got a hint? Some link would suffice, I just cant get anything of value from the chocolate engine...
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06:59<nevyn>r4co0n: so web scripting language of choice postfix configured for local delivery only, and dovecot.
06:59<nevyn>oh and spamassasin/razor
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07:01<r4co0n>nevyn: So I set up my web form to post to a php, which forwards locally.
07:01<r4co0n>nevyn: Arent dovecot and postfix two mail servers?
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07:03<user01>hmmm i have this bug that happened in lenny and still happens in squeeze but i dont know if it is adobe flash, iceweasel the screensaver or alsa that causes it, how do i file a bug on it?
07:03<mobildorn>Yes, dovecot is an IMAP server (maybe with POP capabilities, not sure), and Postfix is an SMTP/LMTP server.
07:03<r4co0n>mobildorn: So Inbound/outbound, k.
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07:05<r4co0n>user01: Most easily via http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ Id say...
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07:05<r4co0n>user01: Have a look at this http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting before filing a bug...
07:06<classical>i have got grub and lilo both i'm upgrading the kernel and got this http://a.pix.ge:81/q/sn3y2.png
07:06<user01>basically if i have like a flash video up and the system screensaver pops up and then i go back to the video, audio stutters . . . so like if some says "I would like to go the beach" it will do ¨<silence> like like like like like go go go go go go go beach beach beach beach beach beach"
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07:06<classical>how can i figure out which grub version is used to boot the operating system ?
07:07<r4co0n>classical: The installer seems to think u are using LILO.
07:08<mobildorn>user01: You could try to use gnash instead of flash to prove/eliminate flash as cause.
07:09<r4co0n>classical: Which u can overcome by installing grub2 (namely grub) to the MBR of your hard-disk(the one from which u are booting)
07:09<r4co0n>classical: There are next to no reasons to prefer LILO over GRUB2 imho
07:10<classical>r4co0n, yes i know and i prefer to use grub
07:10<classical>and grub is installed here
07:10<classical>but also i see that there is lilo too
07:10<mobildorn>One valid reason I know is: Grub does not support the filesystem where your kernel lives.
07:10<classical>but i do not know which one will be used when i reboot the system
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07:11<mobildorn>classical: You could purge lilo, do a grub-install /dev/sda (or hda) and update-grub.
07:11<mobildorn>In most cases your system should use grub then.
07:11<r4co0n>classical: Not the gentleman way, but if u grub-install again and get rid of lilo
07:11<r4co0n>what mobildorn says
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07:12<r4co0n>Little sidenote: Why is it "grub-install" but "update-grub", u know, the order. Drover me nuts half a year ago...
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07:13<mobildorn>Most Debian config update scripts are named 'update-*'
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07:14<user01>mobildorn, is gnash there now? i think i tried it 2-3 years ago and it really didnt have video playback yet
07:14<r4co0n>thats a point, then name it install-grub, id suppose, by the same convention
07:15<mobildorn>user01: Heard it should at least work with Youtube.
07:15<mobildorn>But I'm using neither flash nor gnash.
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07:16<r4co0n>user01: Have you got non-free disabled in ur sources.list? Or have u installed proprietary flash rn?
07:17<r4co0n>Any recommendations on a howto for debian(lenny) setup of dovecot/postfix?
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07:18<mobildorn>r4co0n: I only have an install-info and install-docs here. Not sure if there is a convention about 'install' scripts.
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07:20<r4co0n>mobildorn: It doesnt matter that much, as a newb I was of the opinion that <package>-<functionality> is logical.
07:20<classical>i got this error http://a.pix.ge:81/j/r3rst.png after i checked the menu.lst and there wasn't any changes so i did update-grub command and seems my new kernel is there 2.6.26-2-686 so should i now delete the lilo ?
07:20<babilen>r4co0n: You could also just stay with the default MTA exim4. The setup is covered in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz -- Dovecot also ships extensive documentation, so have a look at /usr/share/doc/dovecot.*/README.Debian
07:22<mobildorn>Indeed. Most grub executables are names as 'grub-*'.
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07:23<r4co0n>babilen: I consider moving to dovecot reasonable, as I plan to set up multiple eMail-adresses with this server later. So I just install rn, read the docs, and then probably ask some more or less valid questions...
07:24<babilen>r4co0n: Sure -- basic exim4 configuration can be achieved by running "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" but you most likely want to dive in a little deeper. Have fun
07:24<mobildorn>r4co0n: You could have a look at http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo
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07:28<tuhin>hi babilen
07:29<r4co0n>The following packages will be REMOVED:
07:29<r4co0n> exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light
07:29<r4co0n>The following NEW packages will be installed:
07:29<r4co0n> postfix postfix-mysql
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07:29<tuhin>i installed Debian LXDE 6.01 from LIVE USB
07:29<babilen>r4co0n: Why do you want to replace exim4 with postfix?
07:29<r4co0n>four lines, the bot is a bit harsh
07:29<tuhin>but there is no servers added in sources.list !
07:30<r4co0n>babilen: Thats the apt-get way of installing postfix...
07:30<r4co0n>babilen: Dont I need this?
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07:30<babilen>r4co0n: I don't know, you have a wonderful MTA (exim4) installed already, so there is no need to replace it with another one unless you have *at least some reason to do so*
07:31<r4co0n>babilen: So its a question of taste whether to use postfix or exim4, dovecot works with both?
07:32<babilen>tuhin: Add some -- /msg dpkg sources.list -- /msg dpkg squeeze-updates -- /msg dpkg geo sources.list -- /msg dpkg contrib -- /msg dpkg non-free
07:33<babilen>r4co0n: Sure, dovecot works with both
07:33<babilen>!tell r4co0n about mta comparison
07:34<babilen>r4co0n: But I would say that you can just as well stay with exim4. Not saying that postfix is a bad choice and it is your system, but I had the impression that you were not even aware of the fact that you have a MTA installed *already*
07:34<tuhin>babilen: why there is no default added for newbies like me
07:35<r4co0n>babilen: This is a virtual server setup, I have done little to nothing in removing not needed packages.
07:35<tuhin>also there is no synaptic
07:35<babilen>tuhin: Sorry, I am unfamiliar with the live installer. You might have failed to configure your network and/or mirrors during the installation.
07:35<r4co0n>babilen: Some site states that postfix is a bit faster
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07:35<tuhin>shall i reinstall then?
07:36<babilen>r4co0n: How many million mails do you deal with each hour? ;)
07:36<babilen>tuhin: Sure, install synaptic if you want to use it.
07:36<tuhin>i mean shall i reinstall Debian then?
07:36<r4co0n>babilen: Next to none, so I need a setup thats efficient with low load...
07:37<tuhin>how did i miss seetign up sources, it should be auto i htink
07:37<babilen>tuhin: No, why would you want to do that? Just add the sources (if you want we can have a look at your sources.list) and install whatever you want/need
07:37<tuhin>i ddint see any such option to setup sources, and the pc was wired to internet
07:37<r4co0n>tuhin: It is, something broke
07:37<babilen>r4co0n: Just use exim4+dovecot
07:37<r4co0n>babilen: Ay sir.
07:37<mobildorn>tuhin: I think the live cds are mainly intended for recovery and demo usage, not for daily use.
07:37<tuhin>i only have the CD itself as added Source !
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07:38<tuhin>i instaleld from the installer shortcut on desktop
07:38<tuhin>thats the only shortcut on desktop
07:38<tuhin>its working fineeeee
07:38<r4co0n>tuhin: Seems like u didnt choose an online mirror and just installed the base and whats available on the disk u used.
07:39<tuhin>online mirror option i didnt see anywhere
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07:39<mobildorn>tuhin: Can you tell the difference between the regular Debian installer and (c)debootstrap?
07:39<tuhin>ok i will install again and look herder
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07:39<babilen>tuhin: Yes, that is an installation method most people are not (yet!) familiar with. I personally have never used that and therefore fail to debug the process. I'll talk to the maintainers later about this problem and the reasons for this behaviour. For now: Just add the sources you want, update and install whatever you desire.
07:39<mobildorn>Most live cds I used came with the latter, which is intended for more experienced users.
07:40<tuhin>ohok , so why synaptic is missing while there is openoffice?
07:41<tuhin>why dont u pls try to refine the live cd desktop installer shortcut
07:41<r4co0n>tuhin: What would u want the desktop installer to act like?
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07:42<r4co0n>tuhin: Ive never used it, but suppose its just a standard graphical install
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07:42<tuhin>to at least add the sources in sources.list
07:42<r4co0n>tuhin: It does that - Normally. I dont think this behaviour is intended.
07:42<mobildorn>Has synaptic any advantages over aptitude?
07:42<tuhin>the only source is the install CD in that file!
07:43<tuhin>synaptic lets me search and install
07:43<r4co0n>tuhin: Maybe try an expert install if u are asked...
07:43<r4co0n>tuhin: aptitude does that
07:43<r4co0n>tuhin: apt does that
07:43<tuhin>i selected manul and set / , /boot , /home and swap myself
07:44<tuhin>ok i will reinstall and look hard for mirror setup
07:44<tuhin>some of u can try the live LXDE 6.01 in vbox?
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07:45<r4co0n>tuhin, I can somehow understand your frustration, it would be really helpful if u check if u can reproduce this behaviour (not being asked to add external sources). If it is reproducable and ur MD5-hash of the iso is correct, file a bug against debian-installer.
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07:46<babilen>tuhin: There is *absolutely* no reason to install again. You'll just lose time. You can add the sources yourself now and be done with it.
07:46<tuhin>hm ok, i m from NB now , i will install in Desktop and will note in NB
07:47<r4co0n>babilen: True, but he needs a list of what belongs to a standard desktop
07:47<babilen>r4co0n: tuhin can just make sure that the desktop task is installed. tasksel will do that.
07:47<r4co0n>babilen: There was some tool being able to pull the meta-packages offered by the installer, I cant remember now...
07:47<tuhin>ok babilen , for the sake of new users, pls try to install that way in vbox and fix for evbody
07:48<mobildorn>tuhin: Do you have apt-spy on your system?
07:48<r4co0n>tuhin, link to the exact iso u are using pls.
07:48<tuhin>dont know , its fresh install of LXDE
07:48<tuhin>wait
07:49<r4co0n>tuhin: dpkg -s <package-name>
07:49<babilen>tuhin: I already told you that I will discuss this with the maintainers later -- If you are interested, try to reproduce the error (standard/expert install) and file a bug. I am just giving you advice in order to minimise the time you have to spend to get your system configured the way you want it.
07:49<r4co0n>it shouldnt be there, i suppose
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07:50<tuhin>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/bt-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.1-i386-lxde-desktop.iso.torrent
07:50<r4co0n>tuhin, I missed school today, so if u want to provide me the iso u used, I will install it in VBox
07:50<r4co0n>tuhin: kk
07:51<babilen>tuhin: Please note that the standard way of installing Debian uses the non-live images. I'll bring it up later.
07:52<r4co0n>tuhin: Ask me in an hour, should be done trying till then...
07:52<tuhin>babilen: i understand all experts use text mode etc , and that shortcut was available on desktop, so i just used that after trying debian live
07:53<r4co0n>tuhin: Are u using any kind of fancy equipment in your PC?
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07:53<tuhin>nop
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07:53<r4co0n>tuhin: It should work because it is there, and should not become the minor way of installing Debian
07:54<tuhin>Phenom2 BE 720 X3 , 4GB DDR3 RAM ,Geforece 6600GT 128MB
07:55<tuhin>Asus M4A79XTD-EVO motherboard, and 3 HDDs
07:55<r4co0n>tuhin: chipset exotic? sounds perfectly fitting, i recommend amd64 for you nevertheless...
07:55<tuhin>the chipset is 2 years old
07:55<babilen>tuhin: This has nothing to do with gui/text installers. It is the choice of the image -- You would typicallu use the non-live images, such as those listed on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/
07:56<tuhin>i have other pcs which r 32 bit + have limited+slow internet , so i choose 32 bit so that i can install anywhere
07:56<babilen>tuhin: That said: I completely agree that it should work the way you want it to and it should be considered a bug if what you intended to achieve can not be achieved with the live installer.
07:57<r4co0n>babilen: we will know in ~20min
07:57<tuhin>i am from bangladesh , so what sources should i add from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ?
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07:58<babilen>tuhin: There is only a single mirror listed for Bangladesh: mirrors.ispros.com.bd
07:58<mobildorn>There is only one mirror listed for bangladesh ...
07:58<mobildorn>Your only choice is http or ftp
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07:58<tuhin>and it is DEAD
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07:59<babilen>tuhin: Not sure if that mirror is the fastest though, you might want to try other SE-Asian mirrors or just use the geo sources.list ones
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07:59<mobildorn>Hm, try a neighbor country?
07:59<babilen>!geo sources.list
07:59<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar.
07:59<tuhin>neighbor country is not fiber cabled with my country
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08:00<r4co0n>tuhin: choose the mirror that has the fastest connection to you.
08:00<mobildorn>And don't forget to add an debian-security entry.
08:00<r4co0n>tuhin: If there is no one around, consider setting up one :)
08:00<mobildorn>Once you found a usable mirror, you could install apt-spy to find a fast one.
08:00<babilen>tuhin: What about the one in Hong Kong? I had good performance with it when I was in Asia and not in Taiwan
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08:01<tuhin>its like chicken - egg situation. no irc client in debian and no sources added
08:01<tuhin>i have to manually type evthing
08:01<babilen>tuhin: But please note the geo-ip based mirrors on cdn.debian.net
08:02<r4co0n>tuhin: Go for some general mirror that may be slow rn, and try apt-spy as mobildorn suggested
08:02<tuhin>ok
08:02<tuhin>saving this chat log
08:02<babilen>:)
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08:03<mobildorn>no telnet? no netcat?
08:03<tuhin>cant use telnet or netcat to chat
08:04<r4co0n>tuhin: U r in taiwan rn?
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08:04<tuhin>Bangladesh
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08:04<tuhin>tiny country beside India
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08:05<r4co0n>http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
08:05<babilen>r4co0n: I was in Taiwan for some time and found that the HK mirror was one of the faster ones when I was on the mainland
08:05<r4co0n>tuhin: look under bangladesh, this tiny country has a mirror :)
08:05<tuhin>and its dead
08:06<tuhin>so tell me what EXACT line i should add in sources.list
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08:06<babilen>!sources.list
08:06<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
08:07<r4co0n>tuhin: its not dead, at least browseable from germany...
08:07<tuhin>ok sending that to myself in email and will check email from that debian then add
08:07<babilen>tuhin: You can substitute cdn.debian.net with mirrors.ispros.com.bd if you want. I would guess that both give you the same mirror though
08:07<tuhin>really?
08:07<r4co0n>tuhin: really :P
08:07<babilen>r4co0n: yeah, I can browse it here too. (Moin nach good ol Germany)
08:08<tuhin>i see Problem loadign page !!!
08:08<babilen>tuhin: http://mirrors.ispros.com.bd/debian/ does not work for you?
08:08<tuhin>i clciked that link
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08:09<tuhin>http works !!
08:09<mobildorn>Maybe some NAT issue if you tried FTP before.
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08:10<babilen>tuhin: But still: I guess cdn.debian.net will get you exactly that mirror :)
08:10<tuhin>ok
08:10<r4co0n>tuhin: download finished, i try the image now...
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08:10<tuhin>btw why that debian install is not accepting any USB Flash drive?
08:11<mobildorn>As target or as installer medium?
08:11<tuhin>no , when i plug it in
08:11<babilen>tuhin: or for firmware?
08:12<tuhin>all linux sees the usb drives fine on plugin
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08:13<r4co0n>tuhin: U mean plugging in while installing?
08:13<r4co0n>tuhin: Try it at boot, it should work...
08:13<babilen>You mean it is not mounted automagically in Gnome when you plug it in? Do you see it in "dmesg|tail -23" when you plug it?
08:13<tuhin>babilen: something like that
08:13<r4co0n>babilen: guesswork sucks
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08:14<tuhin>i installed and using desktop fine , but when i plugin , it doesnt mount or detect, it gives error
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08:15<GordonGR>hallo! I've got a question about gigolo+fuse+thunar (debian testing), anyone availiable?
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08:15<daemonkeeper>!anyone
08:15<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:16<mobildorn>tuhin: Any error message?
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08:16<tuhin>i got error message yesterday but not getting it today !
08:17<GordonGR>I've got a question about gigolo+fuse+thunar (4.6.2, debian testing): so, I believe I've set everything correctly: gigolo shows all shares in my windows (and linux) machines, I can connect to a share, thunar opens correctly, BUT thunar doesn't allow me write access, while if I open a terminal there or try to write with any other programme I have access
08:18<tuhin>error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1 :helper failed with mount: wrong fs type , bad option ................................etc
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08:19<babilen>tuhin: Which filesystem if on the stick? If it is NTFS you probably need to install ntfs-3g for it to work. But this is just guessing and nothing to work with. Fix your sources and we can take it from there.
08:19<tuhin>ok
08:20<tuhin>Fat32 8GB USB Sony microvault
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08:20<babilen>Should work fine :-\
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08:21<babilen>tuhin: Ok, lets postpone this as I have to work now. I guess others are eager to help you though. Have a nice day!
08:21<mobildorn>Do you mount manually or with some type of automounter?
08:21<babilen>tuhin: (or rather: evening)
08:22<tuhin>thanks for help babilen
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08:22<tuhin>it have pcman file manager
08:23<tuhin>Debian Live LXDE fresh install , nothign added
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08:24<mobildorn>I'm not experienced with LXDE or other larger desktop environments, sorry.
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08:24<tuhin>lol LXDE is lighter
08:24<mobildorn>Would you try it in a shell with 'mount $device $mountpoint"'?
08:25<tuhin>i run from CLI
08:25<mobildorn>The heaviest thing I'm using is fluxbox as window manager.
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08:25<mobildorn>Yeah, CLI is good.
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08:25<tuhin>after i learn it that is
08:25<tuhin>i m still a newbie
08:25<mobildorn>Just find out which device your flash drive is, find a unused directory as mount point and try to mount.
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08:26<tuhin>hm ok i will try that , saved ur command line
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08:26<mobildorn>The first task can be achieved by typing 'fdisk -l'.
08:26<mobildorn>BTW: The $ thingies are just placeholders. You have to replace them with your system's values.
08:27<mobildorn>fdisk should list all partitions on every block device your kernel knows.
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08:27<tuhin>understood
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08:27<mobildorn>You'll have to identify your flash drive and note the partition on it.
08:28<mobildorn>Could be some /dev/sdf1 or something like that.
08:28<mobildorn>An unused mount point could be /mnt/misc. Use mkdir /mnt/misc if it's not there.
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08:28<tuhin>ok
08:29<mobildorn>Then, mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/misc could succeed and the data on your flash drive show up in /mnt/misc.
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08:29<mobildorn>Or you could get another error message. In that case, ask again.
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08:29<tuhin>noted evthing
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08:31<r4co0n>I got a little problem with the language setup on my debian server, it makes every installation look ugly by throwing this several times: http://paste.debian.net/115230/
08:31<mobildorn>r4co0n: First, install the 'locales' package.
08:32<mobildorn>Then, use 'locale' to determine what locale you're currently using.
08:32<tuhin>i selected En_us language
08:32<mobildorn>If you did not choose to install it yet, use dpkg-reconfigure locale to add it.
08:32<tuhin>r4co0n: u r trying the Desktop shortcut to install?
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08:33<r4co0n>babilen: I have checked the iso, and indeed, when it comes to the point "configure package manager", it does nothing and i am back on the main selection page, with hitting continue i would be stuck in a loop :)
08:33<r4co0n>tuhin: i am, see above
08:33<mobildorn>On servers I usually set no default locale and use AcceptEnv in sshd and the env* features of sudo.
08:33<mobildorn>Works best for me.
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08:34<tuhin>so the Live images r going to get 6.01a version number now
08:36<r4co0n>mobildorn: problem should be solved, will notice on next install. dpkg-reconfigure locales did the trick
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08:36<tuhin>so , 2 bugs found
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08:37<tuhin>i m happy to help Debian improve by finding the sources bug
08:37<mobildorn>r4co0n: On the other hand, you could try to set "LC_ALL=C". But expect character fuckup when it comes to graphical text chars or other non-ascii characters.
08:38<GordonGR>I've got a question about gigolo+fuse+thunar (4.6.2, debian testing): so, I believe I've set everything correctly: gigolo shows all shares in my windows (and linux) machines, I can connect to a share, thunar opens correctly, BUT thunar doesn't allow me write access, while if I open a terminal there or try to write with any other programme I have access
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08:41<r4co0n>Is there a (pseudo-)package handling the debian-live installer bugs? it would be more appropriate to file our bug there, if existing
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08:42<mobildorn>No sure if live-helper is the best choice.
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08:43<mobildorn>Or live-build?
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08:44<r4co0n>I dont like this bug. Its serious and I didnt believe it is really happening :/ Am trying again rn...
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08:45<r4co0n>I want people that are ready to try debian to install it without any errors. And peace on earth.
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08:51<r4co0n>tuhin: When u have filed a bug, pass the link, i may add my two cents...
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08:53<tuhin>u confirmed it r4co0n u file it pls
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08:55<r4co0n>tuhin: There is more weird stuff going on, when u exit the installer, he asks you if u are sure, when u say "no" it aborts faster than by saying "yes". Seems to be a big building site, this live cd...
08:55<tuhin>hmm
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08:56<tuhin>and i was called a kid coz out of desperation i added sources from a pal in irc
08:56<mobildorn>r4co0n: It surely is!
08:57<mobildorn>The main documentation for the live helper stuff is in a wiki, and most of the articles haven't much in common with the lenny release of live helper.
08:57<mobildorn>And this state was already reached some time before squeeze got stable.
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09:01<r4co0n>mobildorn: I think this should be a primary goal of debian, to make the live-cds work properly. It would draw attention to the masses, but I dont know if thats an aim of debian. I sometimes think Debian is hard because we want our users to be smart... Just a thought.
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09:02<r4co0n>this approach is better than the other way round, thats for sure.
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09:02<devil>r4co0n: linuxers are smart anyways.
09:02<r4co0n>devil: Meet my personal compilation of Ubuntu users :P
09:03<devil>r4co0n: i was gonna say: with some exceptions... ;)
09:03<tuhin>i started with linux seriously only 4.5 months ago with Mint10
09:04<tuhin>if it works in live it means it will work fine when installe
09:04<tuhin>d
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09:04<r4co0n>tuhin: that can be expected.
09:04<Tiff>...sometimes.
09:04<devil>most times
09:04<r4co0n>+1
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09:05<tuhin>yes, so if u really want to spread debian usage, then make the live cd popular and make it easy for newbies
09:05<r4co0n>tuhin: try the installer from your cd that is offered before booting...
09:05<Tiff>There is a LiveCD.
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09:05<Tiff>http://live.debian.net
09:05<tuhin>u might want to try LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition)
09:05<tuhin>i heard they made it a lot easy
09:05<r4co0n>Tiff: its buggy, the installer wont let one select mirrors.
09:06<tuhin>Tiff: i m hardened with the bug myself :)
09:06<r4co0n>tuhin: Im happy with purist debian
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09:06<devil>r4co0n: make it easy for newbs is the ubuntu approach. i see a lot of ubuntians leave after a year or so and spread amongst the traditional distros, a lot of them move ro debian
09:07<r4co0n>tuhin: bought a shirt and stuff, wont switch :P
09:07<tuhin>the prob with ubuntu is it becomes unsupported
09:07<tuhin>r4co0n: LMDE is debian without toomuch fuss
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09:07<r4co0n>tuhin: the problem with ubuntu is it behaves like some learning-monkey, redmond-like...
09:07<devil>imho the prob eith ubuntu is, it dumbs users down. newbs dont see the whole spectrum linux has to offer
09:08<tuhin>hearing about that thing made me try vanila Debian and....
09:08<armani>for some reason my var/lib/dpkg/status gets a lot of garbage when doing updates, there will be a mess of spelling mistakes and invalid characters...why does this happen? and how can i solve it?
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09:08<r4co0n>armani: provide us with an example via paste.debian.net
09:08<devil>armani: do you get any errors? can you paste it to pastebin?
09:09<tuhin>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/adobe-photoshop-for-linux-definitely-on-the-radar/
09:09<r4co0n>tuhin: Please do the bug report, I cant be bothered right now. Plus I am not really affected.
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09:10<r4co0n>tuhin: Afterwards, you boot your live cd, but select the text-expert-install method.
09:10<r4co0n>tuhin: Gonna try if this one works rn...
09:10<tuhin>r4co0n: u found more bugs than me
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09:11<tuhin>r4co0n: u can file it later when u have time
09:11<r4co0n>tuhin: I got two, if u look for em, u can overcome me ;)
09:11<armani>i get this when i do a dpkg --configure -a #dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 11262: invalid package name (character ` not allowed (only letters, digits and characters `-+._'))
09:11<tuhin>i m hungry , going to eat, thanks r4co0n
09:12<r4co0n>tuhin: any means of contacting u? i can give u my evil-mail-address provided by chocolate factory
09:12<r4co0n>tuhin: bye, np, enjoy debian, dont install ANYTHING else :P
09:12<armani>when i enter and find that line it gives me this: Package: libjpeg-pr^Cs, but the status file has a mess of these throughout
09:13<tuhin>r4co0n: see pm
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09:15<r4co0n>tuhin-away: This installer is due to be shot. Kernel-panic at shutdown....
09:15<mobildorn>armani: Long time ago a dying hard disk drive gave me shredded files like this after the fsck.
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09:16<armani>:O this is a new computer though...i'm dreading the thought...
09:16<mobildorn>armani: Had any crashes lately?
09:17<babilen>armani: /msg dpkg status-recovery
09:17<armani>mobildorn: when i xfce startx, and try to get back to tty, it'll freeze up and i can't get out of it, forcing me to do a hard reset.
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09:17<devil>armani: try: dpkg --clear-avail && apt-get update
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09:18<armani>devil: trying that now, thanks
09:18<mobildorn>armani: Some nvidia cards are known to cause those problems.
09:19<mobildorn>Disabling frame buffer or switching to another frame buffer mode can help.
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09:20<armani>mobildorn: my laptop is using the ati mobility radeon HD3200, but i'll give that a try
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09:21<sney>armani: did you install firmware-linux-nonfree to use your radeon? if not, it might only be working halfway, and that could concievably be the problem
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09:22<armani>sney: thanks, i'll do that install now.
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09:23<sney>as the name suggests it is in non-free so you'll need that in your sources.list to get it.
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09:33<r4co0n>I still dont know where to start. I wanna set up a mail server with exim and dovecot, but the manuals i find are either years old or seem to be only covering a specific bit of the setup-process. Someone knows a good howto?
09:33<dylan>how does one get a package into debian?
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09:37<devil>not by asking and running off :)
09:38<r4co0n>devil: dammit, i just found out^^ here: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/new-maintainer.html#getting-started
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09:40<r4co0n>tuhin-away: The text expert install works as expected, use that one from your live-cd to install debian again, or add sources properly and run tasksel
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09:52<r4co0n>In dovecots standard configuration, u find the imap port to be mapped to 10143. Should I enter the port numbers where world and dog shall reach me here, or set up some "rewrite-rule" somewhere else as this is an internal port?
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09:54<r4co0n>im a noob when it comes to this stuff :/
09:54<OdyX>r4co0n: dovecot has it's imap port bound to the correct imap port here. Where did you see that ?
09:54<r4co0n>in the dovecot.conf under /etc/dovecot
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09:55<r4co0n>odyx: so i should probably replace that with what normal clients expect to be the port nr?
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09:57<r4co0n>OdyX: theres a part "protocol imap { listen = *:10143 [...] }
09:57<OdyX>r4co0n: isn't this commented ?
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09:58<r4co0n>OdyX: "It's a good idea to read through the whole file and see what settings you might want to change. " I probably dont want to change a lot :D
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09:58<r4co0n>OdyX: it was commented, yes
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10:00<r4co0n>odyx: If i leave everything commented there, how can I find out what default values are used? They are aparently differing from the commented lines
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10:01<OdyX>r4co0n: good point. dovecot uses "default" ports. That could be seen as a documentation bug, but "It Works Here™"
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10:05<tuhin>how to become root in terminal
10:05<r4co0n>tuhin: su
10:05<r4co0n>(super user)
10:06<tuhin>ok, it told me i m not in sudoers list and i will be reported!!! when i used suo
10:06<tuhin>sudo*
10:06<r4co0n>tuhin: add yourself to the sudoers list
10:06<tuhin>where is it
10:07<r4co0n>tuhin: $su $nano /etc/sudoers
10:07<weasel>nooooooooo.
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10:07<weasel>don't edit sudoers like that. use visudo.
10:07<tuhin>what is that
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10:08<babilen>... and just add yourself to the "sudo" group
10:08<weasel>man visudo.
10:08<r4co0n>weasel: So ive done it wrong all the time? Whats the problem with doing it by hand?
10:08<weasel>it doesn't syntax check. and sudoers is not u+w by default.
10:09<rpetre>it also protects you from simultaneous edits
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10:09<tuhin>is visudo installed in all debian install?
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10:09<weasel>it comes with sudo.
10:10<rpetre>tuhin: it uses your $EDITOR or $VISUAL variables if they're set
10:10<tuhin>ok , u all pls ask the developers to include synaptic in all isos (except netinstall)
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10:10<r4co0n>so basically you gotta care when editing it by hand?! it was suggested to do so on the mailing-list somewhen ago im quite sure
10:11<r4co0n>tuhin: I dont need synaptic. Would go for tux-racer :D
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10:11<rpetre>synaptic has quite some fat dependencies iirc (gtk and stuff)
10:13<r4co0n>rpetre: right
10:13<tuhin>then why openoffice is included? there should be abiwaord and gnumeric ..... or no office apps
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10:14<r4co0n>tuhin: this is supposed to be: Look what u can do with linux these days: They got word processor and so on. synaptic wont be looked after that often.
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10:15<tuhin>hmm , so how big is synaptic
10:15<r4co0n>tuhin: with gtk-dependencies?
10:15<tuhin>yeah
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10:16<tuhin>gtk dependencies gets installed in almost every linux , so why left them out
10:16<tuhin>only some server dont have gtk
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10:16<rpetre>tuhin: there is always something you want that is not on the first cd, i think the standard response is that space is at a premium and apps selected are what was seen as most used, just use a dvd :)
10:16<r4co0n>im gonna check now, just installed the debian-live-cd u gave me. lets see what apt wants to pull in...
10:17<tuhin>used deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main to apt update, it says 15 updates and 27000new stuff
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10:17<tuhin>so it didnt add the mirror of my country??
10:18<r4co0n>tuhin: why do you think so? i guess this is what it wanted to download when installing first-hand...
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10:19<babilen>tuhin: Which IP address is used?
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10:20<r4co0n>tuhin: Need to get 7,557 kB of archives.
10:21<tuhin>ok so they could have added that 7.3 MB in the CD
10:21<tuhin>babilen: dont know which ip address it is using
10:22<babilen>tuhin: No, they couldn't. The CD images were quite full already and compromises had to be made. Run "ping cdn.debian.net" to see where you are redirected
10:23<babilen>tuhin: synaptic was just not deemed important enough to make the cut. It is on DVD1 / BD1 and CD2 though
10:23<tuhin>ok
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10:28<tuhin>PING deb.cdn.araki.net (150.65.7.130) 56(84) bytes of data.
10:28<tuhin>64 bytes from ftp.jaist.ac.jp (150.65.7.130): icmp_req=1 ttl=235 time=388 ms
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10:29<babilen>So, you are redirected to a mirror in Japan. You might want to specify your local Bangladeshi mirror manually.
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10:30<babilen>Or make a bunch of experiments to determine which mirror is the fastest for you. Tools such as apt-spy or netselect-apt might help with that
10:31<kooll>it's sad that from france, I have a better latency to japan ...
10:31<tuhin>hmm
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10:32<babilen>kooll: As opposed to?
10:33<babilen>tuhin: You might also want to download larger files (think kernel package) from those mirrors to measure the bandwidth
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10:34<babilen>tuhin: Or you could just not care about it and be happy that you'll get a reasonable fast mirror wherever you are on this planet :)
10:35<tuhin>hmm ok
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10:36<kooll>babilen: as opposed to the 388 ms of tuhin, in bengladesh.
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10:36<babilen>kooll: Ah! :)
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10:36<tuhin>kooll: whats ur ping to japan?
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10:37<kooll>tokyo-paris is about 9000km, tokyo-dakha is ~4800km. and I have a latency of 320ms from a regular dsl line, and 270ms from my company
10:38<babilen>kooll: tokyo-paris is probably on a big backbone -- not checking that particulars now though :)
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10:39<r4co0n>i just wanted to know which server would be recommended to me, doing "ping cdn.debian.net" or "ping deb.cdn.araki.net" makes *.araki.net answer directly... Have i misunderstood something?
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10:40<kooll>babilen: still have 24 hops from the isp, and 18 from my company
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10:42<babilen>kooll: he, i'm routed via the USA .. but this is getting a bit off-topic, so lets drop it
10:43<kooll>sure
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10:44<babilen>r4co0n: I am not quite sure what you are asking -- Read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for further details. Also *don't* use it if you use Google's DNS
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10:46<r4co0n>babilen: I had to wait like 20s, then some mirror would respond, i thought i was doing it wrong, nevermind. How can I find out if my ISP is using Google's DNS
10:47<r4co0n>babilen: tracert?
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10:47<r4co0n>traceroute, sry
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10:50<diego>hello, I have this problem, when I'm booting, it starts outputing some text and then it switches to a more resolution text mode (I dont know whats that called, but Im not talking xorg, just a more resolution text mode)
10:50<Zborg>how well does the cloning trick work between a lenny system (the one you get the list from via dpkg, grep, and awk) and a squeeze system (the one you install the packages from the list generated)?
10:50<diego>and it hangs up
10:50<babilen>r4co0n: I am not aware of an ISP that uses Google's DNS servers
10:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 515] by debhelper
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10:51<babilen>Zborg: There are better ways to clone a system -- /msg dpkg aptitude clone -- But that might not work as expected if you use different releases, because some packages will have been removed/added
10:51<r4co0n>babilen: Nothing googlish appeared in traceroute, it should be the first spot accessed after leaving homenet, shouldnt it?
10:51<Froshz>Since apt-get install php5 has apache dependencies, does that become junk or useless to me if I use nginx?
10:52<Zborg>babilen: really, so the old "dpkg --get-selections | grep '[[:space:]]install$'| awk '{print $1}' > installedpackages" method isn't recommended anymore?
10:52<babilen>r4co0n: You would have to use tools like dig to speak to your DNS server. It will probably be a caching server on your router that speaks to your ISP
10:53<babilen>Zborg: I recommend the aptitude way as it preserves the information about automatically installed packages and takes care that you get a list of *only* the packages you installed explicitly. It relies on the dependencies of these packages to pull in the rest
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10:55<babilen>diego: This sounds like a KMS (kernel mode setting) -- The resolution and all that can be configured in /etc/default/grub (read the info page noted at the top) and information on KMS can be found on: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting -- Try with KMS disabled. Which graphic card do you have and which drivers do you use?
10:55<Zborg>is there anything in /home I need to remove before upgrading from lenny to squeeze?
10:55<armani>select and install software fails when installing squeeze, configuring "pkgsel' failed with error code 1
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10:56<babilen>!tell armani -about bat
10:56<armani>could i continue without selecting and installing the software? or should i be worried? there was a kernel error ans segfault
10:57<babilen>Zborg: I am not aware of any changes that are necessary to you home directory. If you want you can move applicable configuration files such as ~/.gnome* out of the way.
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10:57<babilen>armani: Switch to another tty and check for the exact error.
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11:01<armani>babilen: kernel: [ 3049.466099] aptitude[9003]: segfault at 7f5f73d36f30 ip 0000000000629567 sp 00007fff427ab8d0 error 4 in aptitude-curses[400000+381000]
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11:01<armani>in-target: tasksel: aptitude failed (127)
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11:03<babilen>armani: Hmm, that doesn't look good. Which image is that? What architecture are you installing on?
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11:04<armani>babilen: trying to install squeeze on an msi wind12 u230 netbook.
11:04<armani>babilen: using the amd64 kernel
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11:05<fosser_josh>i want to setup debian server (ssh,proxy server, ubuntu repository server, apache, dns) which debian version should i use to setup this server
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11:06<babilen>armani: And you are using the standard 6.0.1a image? Which one exactly?
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11:07<babilen>fosser_josh: squeeze
11:07<fosser_josh>babilen: k, i am also thiking same
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11:08<fosser_josh>babilen: for this server 4gb ram, 500 gb hdd, core 2 duo hardware configuration is enough?
11:08<fosser_josh>babilen: this server is going to use only in LAN
11:09<babilen>fosser_josh: Well, if you want to mirror the complete Ubuntu repositories you might need a little more storage. Not sure how large their repos are. Ask in #ubuntu.* on freenode
11:10<armani>babilen: using debian 6.0.1 netinst, i skipped the select and install software and installed grub, if i didn't and continued in order, grub wouldn't get installed and hang the install
11:10<fosser_josh>babilen: k but for rest its enough?
11:10<babilen>fosser_josh: yeah
11:10<fosser_josh>babilen: k thaks
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11:11<babilen>armani: Hmm, so you have multiple issues. Unfortunately I don't have the time right now to investigate that thoroughly with you. If no one else here is willing/able to help you might want to try #debian on irc.freenode.net (it's quite active right now)
11:12<armani>thanks babilen.
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11:16<moumoutte>Hi all, I have trouble with my ldap server on debian. I upgrade slapd, and until this morning, I cannot connect again in ldap, the slapd does'nt want to run again because : hdb_db_open: database "dc=mydomain,dc=com" cannot be opened, err -30971. Restore from backup!""
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11:25<babilen>moumoutte: Just out of interest: Upgraded from what to what? The error message seems to hint at a solution though (Restore from backup)
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11:30<tuhin-away>babilen: cdn.debian.net doesn't select the best server ithink
11:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 502] by debhelper
11:31<tuhin-away>ping cdn.debian.net = 446 ms while ping mirrors.ispros.com.bd= 87 ms
11:31<babilen>tuhin-away: You might also want to measure their bandwidth -- But you are free to use the Bangladeshi mirror.
11:32<tuhin-away>babilen: where r u from how do u know we are called "bangladeshi" ?
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11:34<babilen>tuhin: In my humble opinion everybody should possess that knowledge. I am German, but in the UK now.
11:34<SynrG>tuhin: maybe contact them and let them know?
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11:34<SynrG>(but yes, measure *bandwidth*, not latency)
11:34<SynrG>they are not equivalent
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11:35<tuhin>ok will measure that
11:35<catsup>tuhin: he knows that because of 'mirrors.ispros.com.bd' which you said earlier -- the .bd is bangladesh
11:35<babilen>SynrG: Ah, great you are here. tuhin had problems with the live installer in that it did not allow him to select any mirrors / create a sources.list during the installation. It could be reproduced by r4co0n... is this a known issue?
11:35<tuhin><babilen> i mean not evbody knows that people who lives at bangladesh are called "Bangladeshi" :) i thought u r from my country
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11:36<r4co0n>SynrG: We are talking about the installer launched from the live-desktop, expert text install works flawlessly.
11:37<babilen>tuhin: I had enough lessons about Bangladesh in school (mostly Geography) to know the proper way of referring to the people of Bangladesh. This is off-topic though and we shouldn't continue this discussion here.
11:37<catsup>tuhin: are you addressing that to babilen? it looks like you are quoting babilen when you say it like that with <babilen> in front
11:37<tuhin>no i m not quoting
11:37<arcam>re
11:37<arcam>re
11:37<catsup>ok, just fyi, addressing messages with 'nick:' is always best; many irc clients will handle that specially
11:37<moumoutte>babilen: slapd-2.4.23-7 => slapd-2.4.25-1
11:38<r4co0n>xchat's standard suffix is ",", not ":"...
11:38<r4co0n>changed that
11:39<catsup>xchat fail :/
11:39<SynrG>babilen, r4co0n, tuhin: live-installer installs what's on the media. network isn't strictly necessary (and may fail in any case, if it was already configured with NM, particularly if wireless was used)
11:39<moumoutte>babilen: Yep, but I cannot connect to the ldap... so even if I want to add new entry in the db, I cannot.. because the service is not running
11:39<tuhin>i was wired to internet
11:39<SynrG>when netcfg runs, NM's wireless connection is dropped
11:39<SynrG>ok
11:39<SynrG>well, i haven't extensively tested it with wired.
11:40<r4co0n>SynrG: Network was up and running on the live-desktop. Shouldnt this installer be a bit more specific about what it is doing, like "copy live img to disk" instead of "Install", where I think I will find a normal debian installer.
11:40<babilen>moumoutte: Well, you upgraded to a version from sid. How did you do that? Did you read the documentation about what it takes for this upgrade to succeed? I guess you want to ask in #openldap (freenode) about an appropriate upgrade path.
11:40<tuhin>also r4co0n found it did kernel panic too
11:40<SynrG>r4co0n: um? it *is* a normal debian installer
11:41<SynrG>it only differs in where it gets its bootstrap
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11:41<SynrG>it runs all of the same stuff that debian-installer does
11:41<SynrG>it doesn't just "copy live img to disk". that would be braindead
11:41<tuhin>SynrG: its Debian Live LXDE 6.01
11:42<r4co0n>r4co0n: why not mirror selection and package selection? wait, we have to get this straight, i suppose it wants to do mirror selection, but throws me back to the main menu because of an error. Hitting continue results in a loop...
11:42<babilen>r4co0n: Stop talking to yourself ;)
11:42<SynrG>since it's installing packages from the image, just continue without a network.
11:42<SynrG>if the network gives you trouble
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11:43<tuhin>SynrG: the sources.list was empty.....
11:43<tuhin>only had the Cd as the only source
11:43<r4co0n>SynrG: it was tested in virtualbox with network confirmably running, resulting in no tasksel and no entries in sources.list
11:43<tuhin>^^ it all after successfull install
11:43<SynrG>right. that has to be fixed up afterwards.
11:43<ballison>what does it mean when you see "$$" at the end of a pipe down to? Example: killall -9 firefox-bin >> /tmp/upgrade_log.$$ 2>&1
11:43<r4co0n>r4co0n: whereas the text installer did its job in the same setup
11:44<SynrG>that would be the same if you installed without a network with a regular installer, wouldn't it?
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11:44-!-arw is "arw" on #debian #debian-es #debian-mentors-es @+#linux-es #debian-es-cachondeo #gcc
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11:44<tuhin>r4co0n: did u find any other problem ater installing from that desktop shortcut?
11:44<babilen>SynrG: yes, same behaviour
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11:45<r4co0n>SynrG: the installer shuts down when selecting "No" from "Are you sure?" after clicking Exit/Cancel
11:45<SynrG>so if the installer launcher is to be more robust in the face of such failures, the work needs to start with the installer itself.
11:45<arcam>laptopkijelzore ravilagit a nap, sregen, balrol hatulrol, mindenki chateljen kertbol, mert ez az elet
11:45<ballison>I'm trying to read someone else's bash script, and I don't know what "$$" at the end of a log file means.
11:45<SynrG>i'm just wrapping up lunch here now, and can't get into it any more ...
11:45<SynrG>sorry i could not be more help.
11:45<babilen>ballison: Read a bash guide -- essentially the PID
11:45<tuhin>at least the sources.list should have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main"
11:46<r4co0n>arcam: this list is english
11:46<babilen>!hu
11:46<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
11:46<babilen>arcam: ^^^^
11:46<ballison>babilen: found it
11:46<ballison>thanks. it's the PID
11:46<babilen>arcam: (if you indeed spoke Hungarian)
11:46<r4co0n>tuhin: the sources.list will have all needed entries when the bug is fixed, no need for some workaround :)
11:47<arcam>ok, i know
11:47<arcam>i've just pushed an /amsg, sorry
11:47<arcam>;)
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11:47<babilen>np :) /me sings "kis kotco fürdik, feketer tobon ...."
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11:49<r4co0n>SynrG: No need to apologise, we know someone who can do sth about it knows of it now. Thats more than we can ask for...
11:49<r4co0n>babilen: i just noticed now what u meant be "talking to yourself" :/ fail rofl
11:50<r4co0n>Any chance to get my university to accept that I learn more valuable stuff by idling in #debian than going there?
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11:52<babilen>r4co0n: Nope, and I doubt that. "Comp.Sci is not more about computers as astronomy is about telescopes" (dijkstra)
11:53<r4co0n>babilen: thanks for that quote, will make a nice t-shirt :)
11:53<babilen>r4co0n: s/not/no in there though
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11:54<r4co0n>babilen: I get a degree in economy + comp.sci, its the beancounter part that annoys me most...
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11:55<SynrG>r4co0n: you shouldn't rely on that. if you can articulate exactly how it fails, file a bug? (be sure to distinguish that it's via the launcher)
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11:56<r4co0n>SynrG: Tell me what package to file the bug against, then its nearly done...
11:56<SynrG>r4co0n: my role in the debian-live project is in irc support & documentation, with only a few minor patches submitted. fixing this issue is beyond me.
11:56<SynrG>r4co0n: it may not be the precise package that is buggy, but you could do worse than to file against live-installer
11:57<SynrG>otherwise, installation-reports (the installer manual has some doc on doing that)
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11:57<SynrG>that's the standard conduit for installation bug reports.
11:58<SynrG>you could hardly be faulted for using it :)
11:58<r4co0n>SynrG: this is going to be my first debian bug report, ill follow the howto and post the link here afterwards
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12:07<selbeimanti>devil: i'm starting to install debian on the ssd, and i deleted + recreated the partition using the installer. it didn't let me choose to leave 1M empty at the beginning, so now the partition is badly aligned, right?
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12:25<r4co0n>SynrG, tuhin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624344
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12:26<r4co0n>tuhin: You probably want to add your experience...
12:26<SynrG>saw it. thanks
12:26<SynrG>looks good
12:26<tuhin>looking
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12:33<r4co0n>If I was thoroughly working, I would now have to file a bug against bugreport. It asked me which eMail-address to display, but seems to have ignored this. But it may be the Google SMTP eating the differing From-Header
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12:33<r4co0n>*reportbug
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12:52<vicentimartins>hi!
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12:58<kop>If I want to submit a patch against autofs5 wouldn't I want to do that upstream? Just where is upstream? The package says http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/autofs/v5/ but there's no revision control system there or anything about submitting patches.
12:58<kop>!tell selbeimanti about 4kb
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12:59<kop>selbeimanti: See also http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze (iirc) which claims the installer does the right thing. (I think.)
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13:00<kop>!tell vicentimartins about ask
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13:03<vicentimartins>kop, hey man! what's up? my other nick is #xNetoXMartinsx, i was in #debian-br
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13:04<vicentimartins>kop, sorry! I'm confused! sorry!
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13:13<selbeimanti>thx kop.
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13:20<kop>selbeimanti: If nothing else you can alt-f2 in the installer and use "fdisk -c -u /dev/foo" yourself.
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13:23<selbeimanti>kop: i re-did it in gparted, then restarted the installer. is there a way to check that the ssd is partitioned ideally now?
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13:24<kop>selbeimanti: Probably sfdisk -l. You may need to adjust whether it's reporting sectors or not.
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13:25<ballison>i need to write an upgrade package in sh (bash) and it need to run a section of code only if the version of the currently installed version is below 2.17. problem is in bash I can't use -lt or -le comparisons because it expect integers and 2.17 is not an integer....
13:25<ballison>how do people work around this?
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13:26<themill>ballison: debian maintainer scripts use dpkg --compare-versions for this; /msg dpkg compare versions
13:26<kop>selbeimanti: Ultimately, the only way to be sure is to test. Unless you use OCZ hardware. I hear they're the only ones who don't sometimes lie about their offsets and alter them by +/-1 in the hope of making WinXP work. It's a clusterfuck. Or that's my understanding.
13:27<ballison>themill: it's a giant package that manages various software components. I can'tuse dpkg for it.
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13:27<themill>ballison: ahh... I assumed that since you asked in #debian that you'd be looking to use debian tools.
13:27<kop>selbeimanti: I once rtfm-ed all those links. You may or may not want to. It should be pretty clear if you run, say, bonnie++ whether it's working right. Or even cp.
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13:31<tuhin>is there security/update mirror for my country bangladesh?
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13:32<themill>tuhin: no, there are very few security mirrors at all, but there are also fairly few packages in the security archive
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13:33<tuhin>what r they for?
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13:34<babilen>tuhin: They *are* for security updates.
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13:35<tuhin>so how do i make the source line for my country mirror server?
13:35<babilen>!tell tuhin -about security
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13:37<kop>tuhin: You can use something like apt-cacher to cache the security updates locally if you've multiple machines.
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13:37<kop>!tell tuhin about apt-cacher
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13:37<babilen>or apt-cacher-ng, but I doubt that this is tuhin's concern
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13:38<tuhin>ok, i will manually backup all deb files i find in var/cache/apt/archives
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13:39<babilen>tuhin: Whatfor? (Not that this is per se a bad idea)
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13:40<tuhin>so that i dont have to redownload
13:40<tuhin>if i install in other pc
13:40<tuhin>or reinstall shortly
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14:02<freeman6>I am trying to connect to my smartphone via ftp via FileZilla (it worked for months, now it doesn't). It says "Error: Failed to retrieve directory listing". When googling that stuff I only get instructions to disable Windows firewall and stuff. So what's on with my Debian system??
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14:02<evaluate>Hello.
14:02<evaluate>Did the /run fix make it to testing yet?
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14:04<kop>tuhin: The release notes have a section on running out of disk space that tells you how to do and use such a copy on a usb stick. You might find that helpful.
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14:06<retrospectacus>freeman6: usually means you are behind a firewall and need to use passive mode
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14:08<freeman6><retrospectacus>: 1. I tried both active and passive mode 2. It worked until yesterday and I have not changed any settings (neither on smartphone, nor notebook, nor on the AP)
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14:08<babilen>evaluate: Not completely (and that will take a while)
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14:09<kop>freeman6: Can you ping it?
14:09<evaluate>babilen, which packages/versions do I have to watch to know when it's in testing?
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14:09<freeman6><kop>: Of course, I can even connect to my device and see all the names of the folders in the top level directory but not its contents
14:10<kop>freeman6: Sounds like a permissions problem.
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14:10<babilen>evaluate: Basically: initscripts, udev, base-files and sysvinit
14:11<evaluate>babilen, cool. Thank you!
14:12<babilen>evaluate: You might be interested in reading http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/04/msg00841.html and a couple of bug reports. (start with 620995 and traverse to merged/blocked ones)
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14:16<freeman6><kop>: haven't chmodded anything
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14:20<freeman6><kop>: all folders I cannot access have rights d---rwxr-x
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14:29<kop>freeman6: Maybe you used the wrong username/password and are now anonymous and have only minimal access? (Just guessing.)
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14:32<jhutchins_lt>freeman6: : Try something other than filezilla, like a command line client that can give you decent feedback.
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14:40<MrFrood>gftp is nice - has both cli & gui
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14:49<raylu>lftp is nice; it has no gui :D
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14:52<retrospectacus>I just type "ftp" on cli and use whatever comes up
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14:54<freeman6><kop>: checked on that, no
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14:56<diego>hello, I have a weird problem, I just installed debian and I had to add nomodeset to the kernel options (or it just wouldn't boot) ... now I have everything working, but after entering to graphics mode (vesa driver is the only one that works) I cannot go to console again (ctrl + alt + f1 will lock up my computer)
14:57<diego>I dont really know why I have to do nomodeset, I have everything updated but it just won't boot without that damn option (debian testing amd64 just updated)
14:58<devil>diego: what gfx card?
14:58<s_i_m>diego, nvidia video card?
14:58<devil>nvidia never even heard of KMS
14:58<diego>no, its an intel graphics (integrated)
14:59<tuhin>is is there any list of apps that comes with DEbian 6.01a Gnome?
14:59<devil>diego: you run squeeze?
14:59<s_i_m>devil, nouveau
14:59<devil>s_i_m: it does?
14:59<s_i_m>i think
14:59<diego>wheezy
14:59<diego>(testing)
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15:00<devil>diego: it shoulb be ok to run without nomodeset and the intel driver after install
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15:02<tuhin>is is there any list of apps that comes with DEbian 6.01a Gnome?
15:03<s_i_m>packages.debian.org
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15:03<tuhin>i mean preinstalled
15:04<s_i_m>preinstalled where & how?
15:04<diego>devil: should work ... like comunism right ;) ?
15:04<diego>lol
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15:04<devil>diego: nope, like it works ™
15:05<thewanderer1>tuhin: if you want a list of packages that come with the CD/DVD, find it with .list file extension in the respective directory from which you have downloaded the CD/DVD ISO image
15:05<tuhin>ok
15:05<thewanderer1>not all may be installed, though, depending on your choices during and after install
15:07<tuhin>ok
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15:12<rajesh>having trouble installing stable/testing on a thinkpad 420. pretty much what's described here - http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-closed/2011-04/msg03082.html
15:12<rajesh>is this the right channel? not sure if this should be directed at debian-installer
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15:13<petemc>rajesh: which installer are you using?
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15:14<rajesh>you mean, console/graphical? the former. or are you asking about a version?
15:14<petemc>the version
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15:14<rajesh>let me see if i can get that info...
15:15<petemc>if you're using the testing installer, try the stable one
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15:16<rajesh>tried the stable one, but that was missing network drivers that are of interest.
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15:27<MrFrood>rajesh: non-free network drivers?
15:29<sney>rajesh: did you try the image with included firmware? thinkpads mostly use iwlwifi/iwlagn as I recall, and the firmware image would cover that
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15:30<rajesh>yup, intel drivers. the testing installer (from a full CD, not the netinstall) has a working ethernet network driver.
15:31<rajesh>not too concerned about the wireless driver, which sney you're right are iwlwifi.
15:31<sney>!firmware image
15:31<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse
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15:31<rajesh>i can install the wifi drivers post base system.
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15:31<sney>e1000 might need firmware these days too, actually
15:31<sney>anyway, you should try the firmware image, I bet it'll work!
15:32<rajesh>it does. and the one in the netinstall iso doesn't work, but the one in the full cd does.
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15:32<Deft0nes>hey
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15:33<rajesh>thanks sney i'll give it a try
15:34<Deft0nes>im trying to install intel e1000e drivers with debian 6. Can i do it while im installing or do i have to install debian first and then the drivers?
15:34<sney>Deft0nes: you have exactly the same issue as rajesh here
15:34<sney>use the firmware installer
15:34<sney>!firmware image
15:34<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse
15:34<rajesh>wow, did you get a new thinkpad Deft0nes ?
15:34<rajesh>haha
15:35<Deft0nes>nope
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15:35<Deft0nes>sabertooth p67
15:35<Deft0nes>haha
15:35<Deft0nes>mobo
15:35<Deft0nes>thanks sney
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15:38<Aleric>Where in gnome can I save how my desktop looks like, so that it opens all the same windows in the same place and on the same workspace when I restart X, or reboot?
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15:41<MrFrood>Aleric: what wm/de are you using?
15:41<sney>>in gnome
15:41<sney>xfce4 just does that by default if you log out with stuff open
15:41<Aleric>metacity
15:42<Aleric>It works half... it reopens terminals, but on the wrong workspace.
15:43<MrFrood>no idea - don't use metacity (or gnome if it comes to that) - sney, really expecting me to read stuff... :-/
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15:44<babilen>Aleric: Try #gnome on irc.gnome.org (or freenode)
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15:44<rajesh>great, the firmware iso doesn't recognise the network h/w.
15:45<weedeater64>sney: It does ? hmmm, nice. I've been thinking about this a bit in openbox.
15:45<sney>rajesh: no? :/
15:45<rajesh>nope.
15:46<sney>rajesh: if you ctrl-alt-f4, does the log there show whether it was detected and is just missing firmware or what?
15:46<rajesh>and i don't know the specifics to why it might be listed in the driver list and have a *.ko under /lib/modules yet not be recognized.
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15:46<sney>the driver is most likely there. e1000.ko has been included by default for years.
15:47<sney>it just isn't loading, probably due to a firmware issue.
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15:47<babilen>rajesh: Given that the T420 is *really* new I am not entirely sure what the problem might be. But you could install using the CD1, install a newer kernel (say 2.6.38 from wheezy/sid) and the firmware packages (firmware-linux-nonfree most likely)
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15:47<babilen>rajesh: But if you have a standard intel NIC the e1000e module has been in the Kernel for ages. Do you have the PCIID of your NIC? (thinkwiki does not yet have info on the T420)
15:48<rajesh>lemme check
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15:49<babilen>and the info on the T520 is pretty scarce .. /me is also too lazy to surf around on lenovo.com :)
15:49<rajesh>hw-detect actually tries eth1394 (firewire ethernet) first. if i choose e1000e, it insmod's it, but the installer still says none detected.
15:53<rajesh>lemme check if e1000e is indeed the module loaded when the hardware is detected.
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15:55<dropedrobarr>Can someone give any a hand to setup a pro xtrax proyector?.. im running E17
15:55<rajesh>ok, it's e1000e alright
15:55<Deft0nes>bt-cd is that the bootable live one?
15:56<babilen>Deft0nes: No, that are images you get via bittorrent (unspecified image)
15:57<Deft0nes>aaa okei
15:57<babilen>dropedrobarr: do you see it when you run "xrandr" ?
15:58<dropedrobarr>babilen, yeah...
15:58<babilen>dropedrobarr: Ok, you can enable it with xrandr (check the manpage) or more easily with one of the graphical *randr tools. I like arandr, but grandr is not a bad choice as well.
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16:01<rajesh>so, when joeyh says that the bugfix is in due to be installed in the FTP archive, how long does it normally take to make it up there? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624229
16:01<dropedrobarr>babilen, ive ran xrandr --output VGA --auto, but I get that VGA wasnt found...
16:01<devil>babilen: never heard of arandr, just installed and it lies to me. i use dvi-1, arandr says i use hdmi1
16:01<rajesh>does it also mean that if I can the jigdo list to include that package, things might not all be unexpected?
16:01<babilen>devil: evil arandr :)
16:02<rajesh>s/can/edit/
16:02<devil>babilen: for sure.
16:03<babilen>dropedrobarr: And it is called "VGA" not something else like "VGA0" or so? ? Could you paste the output of "xrandr" to http://paste.debian.net please?
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16:04<dropedrobarr>babilen, http://pastebin.com/krX026cX
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16:05<babilen>dropedrobarr: It is not VGA, but "Screen 0" -- Try arandr, that eases this a bit :)
16:06<babilen>no, I am talking bs
16:06<babilen>dropedrobarr: Is the projector plugged in?
16:06<dropedrobarr>babilen, Its connected and turned on... installing arandr wight now..
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16:06<dropedrobarr>right*
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16:07<babilen>dropedrobarr: I don't see the external output in there (something like: "VGA-0 disconnected (normal left ...")
16:07<babilen>)
16:08<dropedrobarr>babilen, Ive also tried with a netbook running Win XP... no luck either
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16:10<babilen>dropedrobarr: The point is that the external output should be reported even if *nothing* is plugged in
16:10<dropedrobarr>babilen, maybe its a projector issue... as I said i wouldn't able to make it work even uner win xp
16:11<babilen>dropedrobarr: Can you connect other displays?
16:12<dropedrobarr>babilen, I dnt have anyother projector... and in the projector settings it says "No signal"
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16:14<sney>dropedrobarr: what about a monitor or something, just to make sure the output works
16:14<dropedrobarr>sney, I have nothing else to tried rght now...
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16:14<dropedrobarr>Im traying now with a different VGA wire
16:14<babilen>dropedrobarr: Could you paste: " xrandr -q --verbose" + "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" too?
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16:16<babilen>dropedrobarr: I am not entirely sure, but on my computer (note: sid) xrandr reports external outputs even if nothing is connected. It looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/115305/
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16:17<dropedrobarr>babilen, http://pastebin.com/NDx6t0aY
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16:21<babilen>dropedrobarr: Hmm, it really does not see the external output and I have almost no experience with VIA -- To the Googles I say!
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16:23<dropedrobarr>babilen, Im on that... still cant find anything usefull :/
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16:24<babilen>dropedrobarr: May I take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
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16:24<dropedrobarr>babilen, sure... gimme one second...
16:25<babilen>dropedrobarr: Easiest: "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log" (install pastebinit first)
16:26<dropedrobarr>babilen, http://pastebin.com/6GNnFtKQ
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16:34<babilen>dropedrobarr: hmmmmm ....
16:34<dropedrobarr>babilen, ive just discovered that I can show in the projector in text mode... but nothin under X
16:34<babilen>That needs more investigation.
16:35<babilen>Unfortunately have no experience with the openchrome driver -- You might want to try #unichrome on irc.freenode.net -- I don't see an applicable bug in the bug tracker and (short) googling di not reveal anything ...
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16:36<dropedrobarr>babilen, but t works withuot X
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16:37<babilen>dropedrobarr: yes, as I said: I have insufficient experience with the driver in question in order to debug the problem. I would ask in #unichrome and show them your xorg.log -- I'll join too and see how far we are getting there.
16:37<babilen>dropedrobarr: Oh, don't bother. There are 3 people in there :-\
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16:38<Deft0nes>im still having problems with the e1000e drivers
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16:39<Deft0nes>when i try to select them during install nothing happens
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16:39<heidi__>hi
16:39<heidi__>can u listento me?
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16:39<babilen>heidi__: yes, but this is not a test or social channel :)
16:40<heidi__>...
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16:40<heidi__>I have a problem with my RTL8168b/8111b
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16:40<heidi__>It does not work...
16:41<heidi__>DHCP does not work... I cant connect using my wired device :(
16:41<heidi__>Using squeeze...
16:41<heidi__>please help, I swear to you.
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16:42<babilen>firmware-realtek installed? Could you run "lsmod|grep -i rtl" please and give me the name(s) of the modules?
16:43<heidi__>yes I just installed that firmware and rebooted, it din+t fix
16:43<Deft0nes>what happens if i try to install debian without configuring the network card? its a netinstall.
16:44<sney>Deft0nes: you just get the base system
16:44<heidi__>it returns nothing.
16:44<babilen>ah, /me needs a break. Have a nice evening :)
16:44<heidi__>[ 11.774635] r8169: eth0: link down
16:44<heidi__>[ 11.775445] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
16:44<heidi__>(dmesg says)
16:45<Deft0nes>isnt that enough?
16:45<Deft0nes>i can use it can't i?
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16:46<heidi__>Could anyboy solve the RTL8168b/8111b problem PLEASE! I swear you...
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16:46<Deft0nes>cant i just install the base system and the compile the drivers for the ethernet card and then install the rest?
16:46<sney>Deft0nes: yeah, it's enough for a start. it's the absolute basic gnu/linux system with almost nothing installed, but it's enough to get started if you can get networking/apt offline
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16:47<Deft0nes>ok
16:47<Deft0nes>sney: thanks
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16:48<DAV710>heidi: did you run depmod -a after the firmware install?
16:48<heidi__>no
16:48<heidi__>I just rebooted
16:48<DAV710>do it! :)
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16:49<heidi__>DONE ;)
16:50<heidi__>Dear DAV, what now?
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16:50<DAV710>If the modules are in the right place than this command registered the modules... Now try to reboot please!
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16:51<heidi__>ok see u in a while
16:51<DAV710>ok
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16:55<heidi_>didn+t work :(
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16:55<heidi_>and screen got fucked up, I had to reset screen conf...
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16:55<heidi_>[ 11.855014] r8169: eth0: link down
16:55<heidi_>[ 11.855824] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
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16:56<heidi_>stupid RTL8168b/8111b....
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16:58<DAV710>Now you should see the modules in the list of "lsmod|grep -i rtl"
16:59<heidi_>nothing
16:59<DAV710>hm... :(
16:59<heidi_>shall I download them from realtek's? and compile them?
16:59<DAV710>Yes, I think so
16:59<heidi_>I am getting desperated... one cool guy came to install this system
17:00<heidi_>I am into computing science but never used linux, just starting...
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17:00<heidi_>he could not fix this, and never finds time to fix it...
17:00<heidi_>I decided fixing myself, but I need help, I am new to this
17:00<DAV710>You can fix that.
17:01<DAV710>I am new too. I did it on this week.
17:01<heidi_>this way you wont get any (o Y o)
17:02<heidi_>;)
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17:03<devil>heidi_: what does: dpkg -l | grep firmware-realtek say?
17:03<Aleric>On what partition should I install grub when I have a (software) RAID? I'm using a RAID 0 (I think) for /boot, called /dev/md0, but running apt-get upgrade complains that it fails to install grub on /dev/md0 and now asks where to install it, listing each of the separate RAID harddisks :/
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17:03<Aleric>I have no idea what to do :/
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17:04<heidi_>ii firmware-realtek 0.28 Binary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network adapters
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17:05<devil>heidi_: ok, its installed
17:05<heidi_>but it is not working
17:05<heidi_>I am trying to compile and install realtek driver
17:05<heidi_>from their webpage
17:05<devil>heidi_: why?
17:06<heidi_>devil: because its nor working
17:06<heidi_>devil: what I have form squeeze is not workin
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17:06<devil>heidi_: making things more complicated will not be useful
17:06<heidi_>dhcp does not work
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17:07<heidi_>devil: what do u suggest me to do?
17:08<devil>heidi_: the firmware is installed, lsmod|grep -i rtl should show something
17:08<heidi_>DHCP does not pick up anything
17:09<heidi_>it does not!
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17:10<DAV710>heidi_: the network config is the second step, first You should see the modules loaded
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17:10<heidi_>shall I reboot?
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17:11<DAV710>heidi_: DHCP can wait now
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17:11<DAV710>heidi_: We should try to get modules loaded
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17:12<devil>sry, got disconnected
17:12<heidi_>name of the module?
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17:13<devil>heidi_: does lsmod|grep -i rtl return something?
17:14<heidi_>no
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17:14<devil>that is strange
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17:15<devil>heidi_: lsmod|grep -i r81
17:15<devil>?
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17:16<heidi_>nothing
17:16<heidi_>let me search for something in modconf
17:16<heidi_>there is r8169
17:16<heidi_>in modconf list
17:16<heidi_>but I fear that is not mine...
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17:18<DAV710>It is that!
17:18<DAV710>Your module is loaded
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17:19<devil>DAV710: then lsmod|grep -i r81 would return something
17:19<heidi_>no is not loaded
17:19<heidi_>I+ll have to select it at modconf
17:20<devil>heidi_: modprobe -r r8169 && modprobe r8169
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17:21<heidi_>now depmod -a?
17:21<DAV710>oh sorry. It is in modconf... Yes it is not loaded
17:21<devil>heidi_: if that didnt return anything, its loaded
17:22<heidi_>I keep getting
17:22<heidi_>modprobe -r r8169 && modprobe r8169
17:22<heidi_>[ 1750.964877] r8169: eth0: link down
17:22<heidi_>[ 1750.968346] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
17:22<devil>heidi_: eth0? you dont have a wired device?
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17:23<devil>heidi_: what does iwlist scan say?
17:23<sney>the realtek 8169 is really a bad NIC, even when everything is "working" sometimes they still don't work.
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17:23<sney>devil: iwlist? 8169 is a wired NIC, heidi_ was asking about the wired connection
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17:24<devil>ups :)
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17:24<devil>i was wondering, because i have it and its wired (no probs btw)
17:24<sney>I think realtek has bad qa
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17:25<jhutchins_lt>sney: Their cards are like $5-$15, what do you expect?
17:25<sney>jhutchins_lt: exactly :P
17:26<sney>also the chips are used by a lot of pcb companies, some good, some not, etc.
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17:26<devil>mine is on a MSI H67 mainboard and flawless so far
17:26<Deft0nes>So i just installed the base system. now im trying to compile the drivers but i cant use make; command not found
17:26<devil>Deft0nes: install it
17:27<MrFrood>install build-essentials
17:27<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: What are you building drivers for?
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17:27<Deft0nes>ethernet card
17:27<Deft0nes>e1000e drivers
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17:28<jhutchins_lt>?
17:28<jhutchins_lt>!e1000
17:28<DAV710>heidi_: the module you need is r8168
17:28<dpkg>[e1000] the Intel PRO/1000 driver, included included in mainline Linux kernels. Driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sf.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000%20stable/ . See also <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>.
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17:28<DAV710>heidi_: the module you need is r8168
17:28<jhutchins_lt>!e1000e
17:28<dpkg>e1000e is the Linux kernel driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters. Support for the 82574L controller was introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18. Support for the 82567LF-3, 82567LM-3, 82567LM-4 and 82583V controllers was added in linux-2.6 2.6.26-25, ask me about <5.0.6>. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts supported as of Linux 2.6.31, ask me about <install debian>. See also <82579>, <e1000e oot>.
17:28<heidi__>ok, the device appears listed
17:28<Deft0nes>install debian
17:28<Deft0nes>what
17:28<heidi__>in NetworkManager
17:29<heidi__>but, it hangs when trying to connect, I got 2 green lights...
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17:29<heidi__>but It can not connect
17:29<Deft0nes>i tried to select the e1000e drivers when installing but nothing happened
17:29<heidi__>[ 11.681705] r8169: eth0: link up
17:29<heidi__>[ 22.584030] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
17:29<heidi__>[ 249.162279] r8169: eth0: link up
17:29<heidi__>[ 259.708009] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
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17:30<heidi_>hey
17:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 488] by debhelper
17:31<heidi_>[ 249.162279] r8169: eth0: link up
17:31<heidi_>[ 259.708009] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
17:31<heidi_>shall I restart router?
17:31<heidi_>I mean, I got that good news at dmesg,
17:31<heidi_>but dhcp hangs.
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17:31<heidi_>u there guys?
17:32<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: i am trying to compile these drivers
17:32<jhutchins_lt>heidi_: You probably don't want ipv6, you want ipv4.
17:32<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: Why? They're in the standard kernel.
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17:34<DAV710>heidi__: What is now? Does your modul loaded? Do You try a wifi or a wired connection?
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17:34<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: Like MrFrood said, you can install build-essentials, which will give you make, or you can install make and see what's missing next, or you can look into dkms.
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17:34<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: but the installer wouldn't recognize my card when i was installing, and when i selected the e1000e driver the screen would go blue for a split second and then nothing would happen
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: Which release did you install?
17:35<Deft0nes>firmware-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst
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17:36<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: i have also tried other ones but no luck
17:36<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: What's the pciid?
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17:37<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: where can i see that?
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17:39<heidi_>guys
17:39<heidi_>I honestly think I have to build latest driver
17:39<heidi_>DHCP DOES NOT WORK
17:39<heidi_>in windows all works fine
17:39<DAV710>heidi_: the module you need is r8168
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17:39<DAV710>I think
17:40<heidi_>hello?
17:41<heidi_>yes... right what I told u one hour ago...
17:41<heidi_>I will trey to compile that
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17:41<DAV710>You can find that here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#RTL8111B/RTL8168B/RTL8111/RTL8168%3Cbr%3ERTL8111C/RTL8111CP/RTL8111D%28L%29%3Cbr%3ERTL8168C/RTL8111DP/RTL8111E%3Cbr%3ERTL8168E
17:42<heidi_>I got it
17:42<heidi_>but it says
17:42<heidi_>ib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build
17:42<heidi_>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop
17:42<DAV710>Did you install the kernel sources?
17:42<heidi_>what package is that
17:43<heidi_>I installed linux-source-2.6.32
17:43<heidi_>but got that error
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17:44<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: u still there?
17:44<heidi_>I guess that what I need is
17:44<heidi_>linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64
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17:47<DAV710>Yes it is, linux-headers. I am slow...
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17:52<DAV710>heidi_ :What is happening now?
17:53<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: lspci -vv
17:53<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: lspci -nn
17:53<jhutchins_lt>sorry.
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>DAV710: Did we get a pciid for heidi's realtek?
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17:55<jhutchins_lt>Some 8168's work with the 8169 driver, others don't. Also depends on the version of the driver.
17:56<jhutchins_lt>We had some where we could receive traffic just fine but couldn't send.
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17:56<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: pciid of the card?
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17:56<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: Yes.
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17:58<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: [8086:1503] ( rev05)
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17:58<jhutchins_lt>,pciid 8086:1503
17:58<judd>[8086:1503] is '82579V Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel', 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1503
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17:59<jhutchins_lt>!82579
17:59<dpkg>[82579] Support for Intel 82579 LAN on Motherboard devices (LOMs) is available in the mainline <e1000e> driver since Linux 2.6.36. Supported devices include the 82579LM (PCI-ID 8086:1502) and 82579V (PCI-ID 8086:1503). For device support on established Debian systems, ask me about <e1000e oot>.
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17:59<sney>gotta install kernel and linux-base from wheezy/sid, I suppose
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18:00<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: It would probably be easiest to download the .38 kernel and linux-base from wheezy or sid and install them,
18:00<jhutchins_lt>The .38 kernel backport for squeeze is being tested but isn't released yet.
18:00<Deft0nes>jhutchins_lt: cant i just install wheezy and upgrade?
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18:01<sney>you could install wheezy, but it's not super usable these days. there are some significant changes being made to the fhs and udev, among other things, that ensure a very bumpy ride for a while
18:01<jhutchins_lt>Deft0nes: No, wheezy is fairly new testing, it's not an upgrade, it's an experiment. It wil break many times between now and when it's ready for stable release.
18:01<sney>I usually use testing and I'm holding off for now
18:02<Deft0nes>so i should just install the kernel and the linux-base on squeeze
18:04<sney>yeah.
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18:05<sney>I expect there will be a 2.6.38 kernel in backports fairly soon
18:05<jhutchins_lt>Or compile it yourself or use dkms which seems a popular way to deal with out-of-tree modules.
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18:07<Deft0nes>ok thanks alot! i will try that and see how it goes
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18:09<heidi_>wau this is weird
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18:09<heidi_>nor system keeps loading r8169 module
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18:10<heidi_>I remove it from modules.conf, and even blacklisted it!
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18:10<heidi_>but my system is loading BOTh r8169 and r8168 at the same time
18:10<heidi_>Ijust botted I was on grub and my computer started beeping....
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18:13<dupondje>Hi a small question. I added the following line to visudo: rsnapshot ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /bin/rm, but still it asks for a password when I do 'sudo rm test'
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18:14<dupondje>any idea what could be wrong ? ;)
18:15<petemc>superuser != rsnapshot
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18:15<dupondje>petemc: I want rsnapshot user to run 'sudo rm test' without giving password ...
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18:17<petemc>dupondje: are you the rsnapshot user when you run that command?
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18:20<dupondje>yea
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18:20<dupondje># su - rsnapshot
18:20<dupondje>rsnapshot@cloud:~$ sudo rm
18:20<dupondje>[sudo] password for rsnapshot:
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18:23<petemc>dupondje: try ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL ..
18:23<Deft0nes>hey i just found this.. could this work? http://lists.debian.org/debian-backports/2011/04/msg00028.html
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18:24<dupondje>petemc: same issue :s
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18:24<NeverTroll>Trolling is bad, mmmkay?
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18:25<NeverTroll>Kids, you should never troll because trolling is just as bad as smoking marijuana, mmkay?
18:26<adb>!ops NeverTroll trolling
18:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: NeverTroll trolling
18:26-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
18:26<NeverTroll>I'm not trolling, mmkay?
18:26-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
18:26-!-NeverTroll was kicked from #debian by dondelelcaro [you should know better]
18:26-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip112.paseo-colorado.lax.ygnition.net] by abrotman
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18:27<sney>Deft0nes: that looks promising, yep!
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18:29<dupondje>weird
18:29<dupondje>anyway
18:29<dupondje>gtg
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18:31<glupek>When I installed updates today, there showed a message that the kernel is updated. After restart I have 2 versions of kernel to select in GRUB. The first is new one, the second old one. When I boot using new version, after loading services (no errors noticed), I got black screen and nothing. When I boot using old one, everything is okay. I have wheezy amd64.
18:31<Deft0nes>sney: which of these files do i need? do i need the both whole folders?
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18:33<craigevil>glupek, do you have either an ati or nvidia card? if so are you using the proprietary drivers? then you need to reinstall the driver
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18:34<sney>Deft0nes: nope, just the 26M linux-image .deb and the linux-base .deb - this assumes you're using amd64, anyway
18:35<glupek>ATI Radeon HD4850. I tried to disable this card by unplugging it manually from PC. I used built-in VGA from mainboard (it's also ATI one). It was the same - black screen.
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18:36<glupek>I do have to reinstall graphics drivers evey time kernel updates?
18:36<sney>yes unless you use dkms
18:37<craigevil>glupek, not if you are using the open sources drivers and install them the debian way you dont
18:37<Deft0nes>sney: so the "linux-2.6_2.6.38.orig.tar.gz" and the "linux-base_3.2~bpo60+1_all.deb"
18:37<craigevil>but if you are using fglrx or the nvidia drivers then yes
18:37<glupek>What's dkms?
18:37<craigevil>!dkms
18:37<dpkg>Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
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18:37<sney>Deft0nes: no, that .tar.gz is the source. you want the one that's linux-image-2.6.38-something.deb and is about 26 megabytes
18:38<sney>linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64_2.6.38-3~bpo60+1_amd64.deb
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18:38<sney>the linux-base one is correct though.
18:38<glupek>Do I install the drivers on old kernel?
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18:39<Deft0nes>sney: thanks a lot!
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18:40<sney>no problem, let's hope I'm right this time
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18:43<glupek>thanks
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18:56<Guest3435>is there a python-gnome2-desktop replacement for wheezy? I am using linuxmint debian which is based on wheezy
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18:57<babilen_>Guest3435: Ask #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org please
18:57<abrotman>Guest3435: ask the mint people, this channel is for Debian support
18:57<abrotman>Mint is offtopic in this channel
18:57<Guest3435>sorry
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19:23<Aleric>$#@$#!@$@$#$@#
19:24<sney>sup?
19:24<Aleric>I did an apt-get upgrade.. it installed a new version of vlc.. now the music sounds HORRIBLE
19:24<MrFrood>Aleric: play with the settings
19:24<Aleric>Most people probably wouldn't notice, but really.. it sounds like a cheap cassette recorder instead of CD quality :(
19:25<Aleric>I tried in the past hour... nothing that I do make a difference.
19:25<sney>yeah, if it didn't replace your kernel, it's a configuration issue
19:25<MrFrood>vlc --longhelp --advanced
19:26<Aleric>MrFrood: it should Just Play Right :/ ... music is music... What can be wrong that it makes it sound this cheap?
19:27<Aleric>Lemme play this mp3 that I'm listening to now with some other player...
19:27<MrFrood>Aleric: no music player just plays right (imho) which is why I've spent days configuring them
19:27<sney>yeah test it with mpg123 or something
19:28<Aleric>Listening with mpg123 now.. sounds good
19:28<Aleric>Way more stereo too
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19:29<MrFrood>I use moc outputting to JACK and shell-fm outputting to mplayer which in turn outputs to JACK
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19:30<Aleric>I just need a player that plays an internet radio stream (sky.fm premium)...
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19:30<Aleric>I'll reboot... upgraded the whole system without doing that.. so who knows
19:30<MrFrood>spent 3 days playing with configs to get the best out of mplayer
19:30<Aleric>bbl
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19:33<sparky4>I have a bug to report
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19:34<sney>sparky4: what's the issue?
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19:35<sparky4>sney: sauerbraten
19:35<sparky4>sney: ever since I upgraded to squeeze
19:35<sparky4>sney this bu appeared
19:35<sparky4>sney: It occures like this
19:35<sney>that's a game, right?
19:36<sparky4>sney: correct
19:36<sparky4>sney: when i type alot of commands or talked alot the bug happends
19:36<sparky4>sney: when i pressed the talk key the game losses the keyboard
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19:37<sparky4>sney: like it was unplugged
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19:37<sparky4>sney: so i have to terminate the game inorder to use the PC again
19:37<sparky4>i tested this bug out on older versions of sauerbraten and the latest svn version
19:37<sney>so the keyboard dies ingame if you press several keys at once, that's what you're saying
19:37<sparky4>sney: the bug is still occurring
19:38<sparky4>sney: in a nutshell
19:38<sparky4>sney: the keyboard is fine
19:38<sparky4>sney: it is just when the bugg happends the game dose to recive any keyboard imputs
19:39<sney>sounds like an xorg input issue. it might be solvable with xorg.conf tweaking. does it happen with any other games or just cube2?
19:39<MrFrood>sparky4: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sauerbraten;dist=unstable file a bug report
19:39<sparky4>sney: let me try sube 1
19:40<sparky4>sney: it happends in cube 1 also
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20:01<gennro>hi
20:03<abrotman>hello
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20:04<sney>sparky4: so, I'd suggest filing the bug against sauerbraten, but mention in the report that it might be xserver-xorg-input-* related. unless you can reproduce it in another game
20:04<sney>another game that isn't cube-based, that is
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20:06<sparky4>sney: ok
20:06<sney>sparky4: make sure you follow the bug reporting instructions, use reportbug if you need a hand
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20:11<nubfilter>recommendations for filesystem on 4 1TB drives, like ZFS, but not ZFS?
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20:13<abrotman>btrfs?
20:14<nubfilter>no fsck?
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20:28<burnclouds>I have an MSI GX630 running testing (2.6.32-5-amd64) that when issued the command shutdown or halt goes through all the proper motions but doesn't actually poweroff. It does when running ubuntu 10.04
20:29<burnclouds>I don't want to run ubuntu and would appreciate the assistance in fix this problem
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20:32<gennro>hmmmm interesting problem, that I haven't had for years
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20:36<sney>burnclouds: does it say "will now halt." at the end?
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20:39<burnclouds>sney: I believe so
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20:40<sney>you said it's a gx630? that a laptop? install acpitool and see whether it reports a lot of information or hardly any
20:41<gennro>you could also update your kernel to
20:41<burnclouds>:~$ acpitool Battery status : <not available> AC adapter : online Thermal zone 1 : ok, 46 C
20:41<gennro>.32 is a little old
20:41<sney>burnclouds: if you do acpitool -e it will spam your screen (don't paste it here) but just look at the data it gives and see if it seems kosher
20:41<burnclouds>yes an MSI GX630 laptop
20:42<sney>when it boots, does it hang up on anything?
20:43<burnclouds>not really
20:43<burnclouds>it boots in ~30-45 seconds
20:43<gennro>how old is the laptop?
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20:43<sney>2 years ish?
20:43<gennro>you know how to add sources etc?
20:43<sney>I googled it, the hardware looks like 09 stuff
20:44<burnclouds>I got end of run 1.5 yr ago. released nearly 3 yr ago
20:44<gennro>give this kernel a shot http://liquorix.net/
20:45<sney>gennro: please refrain from offering unsupported stuff as solutions, if he uses that then #debian can't help with anything kernel-related
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20:47<burnclouds>acpitool dumps a buch of stuff but I'm not sure what to expect
20:47<sney>burnclouds: you say you're using testing, when was the last time you upgraded your system? wheezy has several issues lately that make it pretty unpredictable, but if you're still on 2.6.32 then you might not have gotten there
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20:48<burnclouds>eh. this has been a problem since i got the laptop. I started with pre-lenny
20:48<sney>normal acpitool output shows temperatures that seem realistic, battery information, accurate cpu info
20:48<burnclouds>yupp I got all that
20:48<burnclouds> Battery status : <not available>
20:48<burnclouds> AC adapter : online
20:48<burnclouds> Fan : <not available>
20:48<Ipsi>I'm trying to set up a Debian virtualbox. I get an error on installing the Base System : http://localhostr.com/files/HxfazgC/Debian%20Running%20-%20Oracle%20VM%20VirtualBox.png . I'm doing a netinstall of testing, 64bit. Virtualbox running on Windows 7
20:49<burnclouds>that is because I pull the batt out when on AC for long periods
20:49<SynrG>uh, i don't know what acpitool actually does, but i use 'acpi'
20:49<SynrG>acpitool says, for instance:
20:49<SynrG> Thermal info : <not available>
20:49<SynrG>acpi -t says:
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20:50<sney>Ipsi: check bugs.debian.org for bug reports against the installer on amd64/testing esp. with virtualbox
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20:50<SynrG>Thermal 0: ok, 58.0 degrees C
20:50<SynrG>burnclouds: maybe try 'acpi' instead?
20:50<sney>SynrG: I just use it to poke at acpi and see if things appear to be working, since acpi is what handles the actual physical on-off (afaik)
20:51<buhman>after upgrading to wheezy, I suddenly started getting this in irssi: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/379411/
20:51<SynrG>ok. ah, actual problem is not powering off ...
20:51<SynrG>maybe you have to force-unload some module
20:52<buhman>I deleted my .irssi, and starting reconfiguring it from scratch, and I've now arrived at precisely the same issue
20:52<SynrG>i remember in early debian-eeepc development we had just such a class of bug
20:52<burnclouds>:~$ acpi -t
20:52<burnclouds>Thermal 0: ok, 44.0 degrees C
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20:52<SynrG>unless you unloaded snd_hda_intel, it wouldn't shutdown cleanly
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20:53<buhman>burnclouds: Thermal 0: ok, 52.0 degrees C Thermal 1: ok, 52.1 degrees C
20:53<burnclouds>SynrG: I have that module
20:53<SynrG>it may be possible by remotely logging kernel messages to see something go 'bonk' on the shutdown
20:53<sney>is that a technical term
20:53<buhman>burnclouds: I'd love to be able to paste something like -10 degrees C and say it's because of my water cooling :P
20:54<SynrG>sney: certainly
20:54<SynrG>burnclouds: well, i wasn't implicating that module. just using it as an example :)
20:54<SynrG>that bug has long since been fixed (for the eeepc)
20:54<SynrG>i just wondered if it were the same class of problem here
20:54<burnclouds>let me do an rmmod snd_hda_intel and try the shutdown BRB
20:54<SynrG>well: modprobe -r snd_hda_intel is better
20:54<burnclouds>it's worth a shot
20:54<burnclouds>ok
20:55<SynrG>it probably won't work though
20:55<burnclouds>whats the -r for?
20:55<SynrG>your desktop probably has a mixer applet
20:55<SynrG>it probably keeps the device open
20:55<burnclouds>-f?
20:55<burnclouds>no applets...
20:55<burnclouds>running flux
20:55<SynrG>well, maybe it will work then :)
20:55<SynrG>you just need all sound-using apps closed
20:55<burnclouds>and did you mean rmmod -f ?
20:56<SynrG>web browser, for example
20:56<SynrG>no, i meant modprobe -r
20:56<burnclouds>oh ok
20:56<burnclouds>i'm with you
20:56<SynrG>read the modprobe man page :)
20:56<burnclouds>"sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel" doesn;t toss any errs
20:57<SynrG>alsa has this huge chain of dependent modules, so usually 'modprobe -r' is what you want (removes the whole chain of them, when nothing else uses the dependent modules)
20:57<burnclouds>how dare you tell me to RTFM
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20:57<burnclouds>i take exception to that sir!
20:57<SynrG>hah.
20:57<burnclouds>:-D
20:58<burnclouds>brb
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20:58<SynrG>anyone want to lay bets? :) i give this about a 10% chance of helping :p
20:59<sney>I can't blame him for trying, your information was much more attractive than my "I dunno"
21:00<SynrG>heh
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21:01<SynrG>well, it's the same class of system anyway ... and who knows, bugs sometimes have friends.
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21:02<burnclouds>I got "The System is gogin down for system halt NOW!" "[2605.752009] Power down."
21:02<burnclouds>then nothig. the box stayed on
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21:06<SynrG>burnclouds: see above. no wait, you were disconnected ;)
21:06<SynrG>21:58 < SynrG> anyone want to lay bets? :) i give this about a 10% chance of helping :p
21:07<SynrG>it may be the same *class* of problem, however
21:07<SynrG>the trick is to try to see something going wrong as it is shutting down
21:07<SynrG>such as, but not limited to, failure to unload a module
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21:09<SynrG>unfortunately, this kind of thing tends to not get logged in syslog because everything has been torn down by the time it fails
21:09<SynrG>so we'd need to somehow have the kernel still logging messages somewhere even as it dies
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21:10<SynrG>i'm hazy on details, not having done it myself, but understand such tools exist.
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21:12<burnclouds>is there a way I can force unload all modules just before shutdown?
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21:13<SynrG>shotgun approach? not sure you want to do that. it brings you no closer to an actual solution
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21:14<SynrG>if you think my theory has some credence but are not equipped to look for error messages on shutdown, you could try taking the system most of the way down (say, drop to single mode) and then unload unessential modules, one subsystem at a time
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21:15<SynrG>ending with a shutdown. if-and-when that yields positive results, narrow down which of the last group of modules you removed actually is the culprit (could do a binary search here to speed things up ... reinstate half the modules, etc.)
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21:18<sney>either that, or figure out remote kernel shutdown logging and look for synrg's elusive 'bonk'.
21:20<SynrG>:)
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21:27<burnclouds>yeah. it's late. A project for another day.
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21:28<burnclouds>thanks anyway guys. I'll look into remote logging. I may try a shotgun then a binary search.
21:28<burnclouds>in any case TTYL
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21:35<nubfilter>hey guys... so I just started a fresh install (*cry*) over my FreeBSD system. I chose an encrypted LVM install... and it appears the erase is taking FOREVER. is this doing a multipass wipe?
21:37<clinton>Hi all. You know how debian by default has 6 virtual terminals, which ps -Af lists from tty1 to tty6? Well, it seems even after I load up X, tty1 is still reading the keyboard. Which means when I log into X, I log into tty1 at the same time, and everything I type (including this message) gets send as a command to tty1. Is there a way to stop tty1 from listening to keyboard events after X starts up? Note I've set up multihead in xorg.conf, so I may have do
21:37<clinton>ne something screwy there, but it seems to have only become a problem in squeeze.
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22:15<raylu>so a friend of mine has run into this bug: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-closed/2011-04/msg03082.html
22:15<raylu>on debian testing 64-bit. is there a short term solution for installing debian testing?
22:17<mercutio22>Would I be able to set a firewall considering I use a bittorrent client using random ports?
22:18<abrotman>your client can likely pick a port range
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22:23<mercutio22>abrotman: I haven't found that in transmission. Maybe I am missing it
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22:24<abrotman>Preferences->Network ?
22:24<noCloudsDotOrg>Hey! I buy a VGA to s-Video adapter and I don't know how to make it work right... the image is so distorted...
22:25<mercutio22>abrotman: yeah, thats the menu dealing with network ports. I see no range boxes though
22:25<abrotman>did you try 123-345 ?
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22:26<mercutio22>abrotman: no. Didn't know that was possible. Will try. Thanks
22:26<abrotman>mercutio22: neither do i .. just a guess
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22:27<mercutio22>abrotman: nope. The input field doesn't even allow a dash
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22:27<abrotman>drat .. okay
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22:41<nubfilter>is there a faster way to setup encrypted LVM? it seems like the install is doing a multi pass wipe...
22:42<nubfilter>maybe 10% after 2 hours
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22:42<nubfilter>is this normal?
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22:44<kop>nubfilter: Yes. It must write random numbers to the whole drive. This takes time.
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22:45<mercutio22>I just learned that debian's default umask is 022, which allows for anyone using the system to read your files. Isn't that too open to be the default umask setting?
22:45<nubfilter>kop: so a 20 hour format is... expected?
22:46<nubfilter>kop: is it doing a single pass or multiple?
22:46<raylu>mercutio22: not for most users. you can protect the few files you want to keep private
22:46<mercutio22>I see there was a discussion here:
22:47<mercutio22>http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/cfeaf02e54a84c2b?fwc=1&pli=1
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22:48<mercutio22>raylu: so if I don't want anyone not in my group to have read/execute access to my files is it safe to do chmod o-rx /home/myuser?
22:48<raylu>mercutio22: completely
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22:51<quietone>how do I fix undefined ref compile errors, such as /opt/evo/lib/libgio-2.0.so: undefined reference to `g_source_get_time'. compiling evolution 2.32 on squeeze
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22:55<MrFrood>quietone: perhaps 'aptitude build-dep evolution' ..?
22:55<mesaber>Good morning, I have just installed Debian and I need to install Arabic language, can someone help me?
22:57<kop>mesaber: Probably dpkg-reconfigure locales. That will enable the support. I'm not sure how you get all the translations installed. See the install guide or the debian reference.
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22:57<mesaber>ty kop
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22:58<quietone>MrFrood, doesn't autogen.sh check the dependencies?
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22:59<MrFrood>!arabic
22:59<dpkg>i heard arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community)
23:00<MrFrood>quietone: should do I think, but installing buil-dep can't hurt can it?
23:00<mercutio22>raylu: can you confirm the umask value for only me and users in my group have read access is 027?
23:01<kop>mercutio22: Looks right.
23:02<raylu>looks right. perhaps you should set it to the symbolic values
23:02<raylu>umask u=rwx,g=rx,o=
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23:04<quietone>MrFrood, maybe it can hurt. It says it is going to remove 65 packages, including network-manager, rythmbox
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23:05<kop>quietone: First bring your packages up to date. You're starting with a system that's not right, somehow.
23:05<MrFrood>thats most most odd :-/
23:06<sney>autofoo checks dependency presence but doesn't account for distro customization. apt-get build-dep attempts to bridge that gap, among other things
23:07<mercutio22>kop: thanks
23:07<MrFrood>but I'm still inclined to think it is a dependancie issue (of course I could well be barking up the wrong tree)
23:07<quietone>I said 'n' then ran aptitude again. this time it is right.?!
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23:15<zero_>hi, little question, what web browser can i use for a very low profile pc
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23:16<th>elinks
23:16<th>dillo
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23:16<MrFrood>zero_: how low
23:17<MrFrood>+1 for elinks
23:17<th>at worst, telnet can be used as a web browser
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23:18<MrFrood>yay telnet port 80 :D
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23:19<sney>in before MrFrood also happens to mention, just while we're on the topic, that telnet can also be used for gopher
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23:20*MrFrood thinks Gopher ROCKS!!!
23:20<quietone>I did aptitude build-dep evolution. Get same results, "undefined reference to `blah blah blah" any other ideas? evo keeps crashing, I'd like to try a newer version.
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23:22<MrFrood>! tell quietone about backport
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23:28<zero_>MrFrood: i have a G3 with 366Mhz 256 Mb ram
23:29<MrFrood>zero_: both dillo & elinks should be worth a try then
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23:34<quietone>MrFrood, evolution doesn't seem to be in squeeze backports.
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23:35<sney>there is basically nothing in squeeze backports
23:36<sney>but MrFrood was probably trying to point out ssb and/or uupdatee
23:36<sney>judd: versions evolution
23:36<judd>Package evolution on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.3-5; wheezy: 2.32.2-2; sid: 2.32.3-1; experimental: 3.0.0-2
23:36<sney>yeah, ssb would be sufficient.
23:36<sney>!ssb
23:36<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
23:36<sney>so you'd be building it from the debian sources rather than upstream, with assistance from apt, it's more likely to Just Work
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23:43<quietone>sney, thx. I'll try that later. what is ssb?
23:44<sney>it's the dpkg factoid that I just triggered, between my lines above. I think it stands for sid self backport
23:46<quietone>thx and 'apropos ssb' ==> evolution and evolution-addressbook-export
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23:55<nubfilter>upon install, grub is failing to install to /dev/sde any way i can figure out why? going to F1 terminal shows (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument
23:56<sney>that's just an X error, not relevant to a grub issue
23:56<sney>are there any other errors
23:56<nubfilter>not on the F1 terminal, anywhere else i should look?
23:56<sney>what do you mean it fails to install, then?
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23:57<nubfilter>when prompted 'install to MBR' I say no, because it will try and install to my USB drive, then it asks me which destination. I enter /dev/sde ...
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23:58<nubfilter>then I get Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sde
23:58<nubfilter>Executing 'grub-install /dev/sde' failed
23:58<nubfilter>This is a fatal error
23:59<nubfilter>this is an encrypted lvm install on /dev/sde
23:59<nubfilter>it had worked before, but it was not pulling my keys when entering the password at boot, so I decided to re-install the whole system again
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