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00:09<mom>lets see, if you wanted to see if three packages by name were installed, what would you type?
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00:09<sney>aptitude show packagename
00:09<mom>sney: and you can just do the packages space deliminated?
00:09<sney>would give you information about packagename, including whether it's installed. if the package names share a common string, you can also use aptitude search
00:10<sney>there's a trick with aptitude search "~i" but I'm not sure on the details
00:10<mom>sney: thought maybe dpkg --list
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00:13<oddTod>hello all, I'm looking to get a PPTP connection.
00:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:14<oddTod>vook: Sorry I hit enter early.
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00:20<vook>where would I find freenx packages for debian ? the link on is broken
00:20<dpkg>FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. #nx on
00:21<vook>thankx dpkg
00:22<oddTod>I'm looking to get a PPTP connection set up. I am connection to a windows PPTP server. is pon still used? where do i get the information to put in /etc/ppp/options.pptp for the $TUNNEL?
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00:22<dpkg>Point to Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) is an insecure and unreliable way to create tunnels; consider <openvpn>, <ipsec> or <l2tp> instead. Some ISPs use PPTP to provide service on Ethernet connected broadband networks; this is not supported at Debian installation time. To connect to a PPTP server, use pptpsetup (pptp-linux package, on netinst and CD1), <vpnc> or network-manager-pptp. See also <why not pptp>, <vpn>, <poptop>, <mppe>.
00:22<vook>oddTod: I'd advise 'aptitude search pptp' and reading up on the packages available.
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00:23<oddTod>vook thanks
00:23<vook>i think I've used network-manager-pptp-gnome successfully
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00:25<k-man_>what is that gnome app that sits in the tray and tells you when there are updates to install?
00:25<k-man_>update manager
00:26<vook>synaptic ?
00:26<ayaka>k-man_, update manager
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00:27<arand_>Isn't it update-notifier that provides it?
00:29<k-man_>is it installed in the default desktop?
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00:30<arand_>It is on mine.
00:30<k-man_>yeah, seems to be on mine too
00:30<k-man_>just couldn't tell as there are no updates at this time :)
00:30<k-man_>I'm preparing an debian machine for a 12 year old friend
00:31<k-man_>any suggestions of what to put on it for him?
00:31<arand_>Can you be any more vague please :þ
00:32<k-man_>I am at my vagueness limit
00:33<vook>k-man_: lookup 'debian kids' on google - there's a debian jr project. Also, the OLPC project has quite a bit of great software available - you can even grab the whole OLPC image (based on debian)
00:34<k-man_>vook, thanks for the pointers
00:36<vook>*not sure if OLPC is based on debian, though I seem to recall using apt-get with it.
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00:52<aussa>hi, can't do "sudo" I'm not in the sudoers file...
00:52<aussa>and the incident will be reported :S
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00:58<arand_>aussa: Yep, you need to add the user to the "sudo" group to enable it normally..
00:58<aussa>how do I do that?
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01:02<arand_>aussa: "adduser user group"
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01:08<arand_>Was grub2 default in lenny?
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01:09<ayaka>arand_, no
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01:09<aussa>how do I config my webcam, it is in "mirror mode"
01:10<ayaka>aussa, you digital carmal?
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02:23<heroprimeremix>how do i extract as root?
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03:54<mekt>For a single system (not network), what are backup software options will create incremental backups of changed files since the last backup?
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03:58*mekt looks.
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03:59<Arrowmaster>i dont really know much about backups, that was all i could think of
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04:01<mekt>devil: I want separate files or archives for different points in time: it looks like luckybackup does not provide that.
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04:01<stephanie_hart>hey guys
04:01<stephanie_hart>whats up?
04:01<devil>mekt: maybe backintime?
04:01<stephanie_hart>anyone know how i can set up my SET
04:02<mekt>devil: maybe. thanks; will investigate
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04:03<devil>obviously noone knows what SET is :)
04:03*devil at least does not
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04:03<mekt>Creating frequent backups is way overdue.
04:03<mekt>dpkg: set
04:03<dpkg>mekt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
04:03<devil>mekt: good plan :)
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04:25<mekt>rdiff-backup would be good for me if it either did not need a mirror or the mirror were hard links, but it seems not.
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04:32<danlii>In Ubuntu, when I start Synaptic Package Manager, I get prompted for my own password. When I do the same in Debian, it wants the root password. Is there a way to make it want my own password instead, ie telling the system that my user is an administrator?
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04:35<olasd>danlii: you could use gconf-editor to change the /apps/gksu/sudo-mode key to true. There may be a simpler GUI for that though
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04:38<danlii>olasd: Worked perfectly, thanks a bunch. :)
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04:38<olasd>great :)
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04:40<devil>olasd: the gui is visudo and is to be preferred.
04:41<olasd>I'm not sure I see the connection between visudo and a gconf key for gksu
04:42<devil>olasd: as i understood, danlii wanted to set up sudo, as is usded in ubuntu
04:43<olasd>he wanted to set up gksu to prompt for the user password instead of the root password
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05:41<mekt>backintime is rsync only. That won't do.
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05:42<kooll>mekt: why ?
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05:43<opalepatrick>Accidentally left unstable in the repositories and then did an upgrade (which installed wheezy) - this for me is unstable (I only wanted upgrades to audio stuff :-) )
05:44<mekt>kooll: because it needs to either be an encrypted compressed archive or based on hard links to preserve space.
05:44<opalepatrick>So before I go off and uninstall the kernel, is there anything else I should know (maybe grub?)
05:44<kooll>mekt: rsync can do backups based on hard links
05:44<kooll>mekt: for the encrypted/compressed, look at duplicity
05:45<opalepatrick>Also, will I have a problem with the other stuff that was upgraded in the process?
05:45<kooll>opalepatrick: most likely, yes
05:45<kooll>opalepatrick: you can try a downgrade, but it's not guaranteed to work
05:46<mekt>kooll: so rsync could do it but I didn't see a way to cause backintime to give parameters like that to rsync. Thanks, I'll look up duplicity. I tried a front end to duplicity and had problems, I don't remember what.
05:46<opalepatrick>kooll, ugh - I am in 2.36.2 at the moment (the original stable install) - 2.36.8 wont boot anyway
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05:47<kooll>opalepatrick: well, a selective downgrade. of what was upgraded (you can have a look at dpkg.log to know this)
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05:49<opalepatrick>kooll: thanks for the info. So, take them back down bit by bit? If I uninstall the kernel, it isnt likely to have an affect on the squeezy version I am in at the moment is it?
05:50<opalepatrick>oin reboot?
05:50<kooll>mekt: for a basic rsync-based hardlink-using backup, look at snapback (although it's very easy to code a simple solution, but the configurable part is worth it)
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05:51<kooll>(for a simple rsync-only example, look at this: )
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05:54<LibreMan>hi, I have a curious problem with time in sid
05:54<LibreMan>every time I set it with ntpdate-debian it revert right away 20 minutes back :S
05:55<LibreMan>it does this when I set it with date too
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05:55<LibreMan>anyone has any idea what could be causing this?
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05:59<mekt>LibreMan: time server is wrong, check with wireshark; your reference clock is wrong and the time server is right; strange, incorrect time zone settings
05:59<LibreMan>when I set it and output immediately with ntpdate-debian && date it shows the right time ... a few seconds later it reverts 20 minutes back again
05:59<LibreMan>mekt: well, ntp-date sets the time right
06:00<LibreMan>mekt: it just revert back right away after that ...
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06:01<LibreMan>mekt: I even removed ntp so I don't know what could be reverting the time back ...
06:02<LibreMan>mekt: and it shouldn't be timezone because it would be wrong in whole hours not 20 mintes and probably revert only after restart
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06:02<LibreMan>mekt: I'm really confused by this behavior ... uh :)
06:02<mekt>LibreMan: as far as I know, one could have an arbitrary # of minutes in a time zone setting.
06:03<mekt>LibreMan: this is why i said "strange"
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06:04<LibreMan>mekt: but if I wold have wrong timezone the time I set manually should remain, right?
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06:04<LibreMan>mekt: even in wrong timezone ...
06:04<LibreMan>mekt: the problem is, it changes the time in itself back 20 minutes
06:05<mekt>LibreMan: not when you update it with ntpdate-debian
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06:05<LibreMan>mekt: I tied it to set manually with date too ... it does the same exact thing
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06:06<mekt>maybe you set in GMT and see in local time zone
06:06<LibreMan>mekt: it sets it and then changes to show 20 minutes less
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06:07<LibreMan>mekt: I try different time whether it changes it by offset or to something specific
06:08<LibreMan>ok, it's not an offset
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06:09<LibreMan>mekt: doesn't matter what I change it it, it reverts to the same exact 20 min less than real time
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06:09<LibreMan>I checked the timze zone with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
06:09<LibreMan>it's set right
06:10<mekt>maybe. i would verify that.
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06:11<LibreMan>mekt: it showed UTC too and that's offset also
06:12<LibreMan>mekt: but what is reverting the time back after I change it when no ntpd is running ... that's what confusing me
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06:12<LibreMan>mekt: it does that right away as if wanted to just piss me off lol
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06:13<mekt>or you set it in local and UTC is computed?
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06:14<LibreMan>mekt: oooh I probably know ... that server is running in virtual machine, is it possible that the host is setting the clock?
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06:14<LibreMan>mekt: that's probably what's happening
06:14<mekt>yes, especially if you run vmware-tools.
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06:16<LibreMan>mekt: oh god, that's got to be it ... nothing else could cause this kind of weirdness, going to check the host
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06:22<LibreMan>mekt: of course, that was it ... thanks
06:23<costas>opalepatrick, in your shoes I would probably do a fresh squeeze install...
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06:42<derek7467>hey guys
06:42<derek7467>anyone take oswp?
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06:43<derek7467>anyonen here?
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06:44<derek7467>come on, anyone here?
06:44<derek7467>what the fuck
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06:45<babilen>derek7467: Do you have a Debian related problem?
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06:46<derek7467>no, wanted to see if anyone took the oswp training
06:46<babilen>derek7467: Then please take to one of the off-topic channels, such as #moocows or #debian-offtopic
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07:01<huwiet>hi. can anyone recommend a GUI-based user management application for Squeeze please?
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07:07<scisteffan>hi, how can I troubleshoot a monitor that cannot be found? It should be recognised but xrandr -q displays laptop monitor only
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07:10<ayaka>excuse me, hoe to config a ipv6 dns in network manger?
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07:29<opalepatrick>thanks costas, is that trash of the existing or an install over?
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07:33<mekt>ayaka: no way as user.
07:34<ayaka>mekt, why? I can change ipv4 dns
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07:36<mekt>LibreMan: your link led me to a good fast solution. A small script using 'date' and 'cp --one-file-system --recursive --link' and everything having
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08:25<Aleric>I did an apt-get upgrade yesterday.. is there a log file of this somewhere? I now need to know what was the previous version of some package for a bug report.
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08:27<ayaka>Alecat, aptitube safe-update
08:27<eof>Aleric: /var/log/apt/history.log
08:28<Aleric>eof: Thanks.. unfortunately that only gives the new version :(
08:29<eof>er, nope
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08:29<eof>Commandline: apt-get upgrade
08:29<eof>Upgrade: libstdc++6:i386 (4.6.0-5, 4.6.0-6)
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08:29<eof>4.6.0-5 previous; 4.6.0-6 new
08:29<eof>as example
08:30<Aleric>Ah ok... *looks harder*
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08:31<Aleric>Ok, I found it - thanks.
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08:32<eof>Aleric: contents of the /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory can be useful too
08:32<eof>if you don't clean it
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08:36<Aleric>Hmm, it's annoying that when iceweasel opens a new window it uses the window title "iceweasel" before setting the final window title... So, devilspie only gets to see what it already knows (from window_class for example) :/
08:36<saclaudita>hola ganneff
08:37<saclaudita>hi aleric
08:37<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:38<Aleric>I was about to say "saclaudita, you're way too social for this channel; etc" ...
08:39<Aleric>Being friendly here results it getting smacked on the fingers in the most impersonal way possible, through an automated bot-command why some random idler...
08:39<saclaudita>I talk espain
08:40<Aleric>Well, you have to talk English on this channel ;)
08:40<pistolpete> in rc6.d there is a k11live-boot and a k12reboot, is the k11live-boot the reason my system just reboots without going out to a grub menu?
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08:41<saclaudita>you the wher be??
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08:49<saclaudita>hi be leam english
08:50<Aleric>omg vlc sounds sooooo bad...
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08:52<saclaudita>aleric you be boy??
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08:53<Aleric>saclaudita: Translators don't work, you should learn English yourself.
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08:54<ayaka>Alecat, try mplayer
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08:54<saclaudita>hay alien que hable español
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08:56<tjader>How do I tell d-i to use the whole disk via preseeding?
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08:58<ayaka>tjader, you can select it in installing
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08:59<tjader>ayaka: I want it to select it automatically.
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08:59<tjader>Why else would I use preseeding?
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09:02<jiero>Hi, I got a problem in Testing branch, after upgrade to grub 1.99 rc1, I got the grup resuce> when I startup
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09:03<ayaka>tjader, I amn't sure but as I know it should show before disk-manger
09:03<jiero>it says Error about grub_env_export
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09:04<ayaka>jibel, please check you config
09:04<jibel>ayaka, sure, I'll do :-)
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09:13<tom>I just want to change my logins screen in my Squeeze desktop. Can you please tell me how to configure the Login Manager in grafix mode?
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09:13<tom>Can anyone help?
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09:19<ayaka>tom, I know two way, change in gnome-login screen,or dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
09:19<tom>ayaka, I am using kde-4
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09:20<ayaka>tom, ok dpkg-reconfigure kde
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09:21<tom>Ok. I am just going to try that.
09:21<bst>kdm, not kde
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09:22<ayaka>bst, th
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09:23<tom>I tried dpkg-reconfigure kdm
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09:24<tom>But got no configuration setting options
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09:24<Guest3630>canale in italiano?
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09:25<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:31<inkbottle>Hi, I have a problem with iceweasel display. I haven't seen any description of this problem so far. (Do you know where I could "past" an image?)
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09:31<babilen>inkbottle: picpaste / imgur come to mind
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09:32<dpkg>from memory, jp is Japan
09:33<babilen>rube: Try #debianjp on or #debianjp here
09:34<babilen>rube: err, #debian-japanese here
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09:36<tjader>can I create more than one user using preseeding?
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09:38<ayaka>babilen, are sure #debian-japanese have people
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09:38<babilen>ayaka: Yes, two altogether
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09:39<ayaka>rube, if you don't mind, come to #debian-offtopic, may be my poor japanese can help you
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09:39<ayaka>babilen, oh,my deer,2 = 0 I think they are slience
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09:41<rube>Thank you ..polite...
09:42<ayaka>excuse I want to know which program useing hw:0
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09:43<ayaka>excuse I want to know which program are useing hw:0, how to
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09:45<inkbottle>[Iceweasel display problem:]
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09:46<inkbottle>If someone have heard of something like this
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09:46<ayaka>infernix, other windows is normal?
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09:47<inkbottle>I have this on two different computers, and for at list a month or two
09:47<inkbottle>both of them have Intel gma
09:47<inkbottle>and are following sid
09:48<inkbottle>both of them use kde desktop (4.6)
09:48<ayaka>infernix, only this site or iceweasel
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09:50<SynrG>"Intel gma" is uh, rather imprecise
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09:51<inkbottle>SynrG: 945 most likely
09:51<ayaka>rube, what is problem、どですが?
09:51<SynrG>e.g. GMA 500 is poulsbo, which is garbage.
09:52<inkbottle>SynrG: I use driver from free section if that is your question
09:52<SynrG>inkbottle: in any case, yes, i've noted on GMA3150 some corruption using sid xorg / kernel, especially in gnome-terminal
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09:52<SynrG>inkbottle: it's not the driver i'm interested in, but the chipset
09:53<inkbottle>do you know a query to know the chipset?
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09:54<ayaka>rube, don't full speak japanese this channel, please
09:55<SynrG>inkbottle: humm. not directly. grep ': Chipset:' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:56<SynrG>(that's not a very good general way to tell, but seems to find the right line for GMA3150 at least :)
09:56<SynrG>I get "Pineview GM" from that
09:56<inkbottle>[ 49.475] (--) intel(0): Chipset: "945GM"
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09:58<inkbottle>SynrG: I'm not a English native speaker: how would you describe the problem in the image I've past?
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10:00<inkbottle>Because I've queried the web but haven't found anything looking like the problem I have. Likely I don't put it well.
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10:01<inkbottle>I'm going to put the question on "x" channel... If it's related to xorg, it's the place
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10:07<ayaka>jackdbus and laditools in which package?
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10:08<babilen>inkbottle: Try downgrading libcairo2 -- See #587288
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10:08<babilen>ayaka: "apt-cache search jackdbus" + "apt-file search jackdbus"
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10:10<babilen>inkbottle: Let me know if that helps -- You might also want to comment on that bug
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10:11<devil>inkbottle: i guess its the same as here?
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10:13<ayaka>babilen, you know, I know this, so I ask here
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10:14<ompaul>devil: -4 seems to have removed my "scratchy images"
10:14<inkbottle>babilen: I had already read this bug; I've found only one screenshot (next to the end of the page); and the picture is far from being as blurred as mine...
10:14<devil>ompaul: i never had it
10:14<ompaul>I know
10:14<inkbottle>I'm not sure is should be related
10:15<babilen>inkbottle: Hence my question :)
10:15<inkbottle>I'm going to do a couple more test, and probably do a bug report
10:15<inkbottle>babilen: yes :-)
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10:17<inkbottle>also I don't use the intel driver; and it's not restricted to images but text is also blurred...
10:17<babilen>inkbottle: If that does not fix it, try different iceweasel versions (4.* from exp come to mind) -- That was just the bug report that seemed to be closest to what you are experiencing
10:17<babilen>inkbottle: Hmm, which driver do you use?
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10:19<inkbottle>babilen: when they say "i use the intel driver" it seems to me they use a non-free section driver; I use a free driver
10:19<babilen>inkbottle: I am quite sure that they are referring to xserver-xorg-video-intel
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10:20<babilen>AFAIK there is no closed-source intel driver
10:20<inkbottle>babilen: I might try the 4th ver. Since I've read bugs report about wrong display concerning firefox 4, and how to fix it
10:20<inkbottle>babilen: ok
10:21<babilen>inkbottle: IW4 is running here without problems, but I don't have an intel graphics adaptor, so YMMV
10:21<inkbottle>I'm going to give it a try :-)
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10:26<ayaka>Excuse me? Can I let jack1 start when I login?
10:27<inkbottle>babilen: still a couple of seconds...
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10:29<kop>I'm trying to automatically mount a fs in an lvm2 lv on an external usb disk when it's plugged in. I'm trying to figure out if it's better to frob udev or autofs and submit a patch.... The answer would seem to depend on whether there's universal rules that work for everybody (udev) or whether it's something that should be configured by mountpoint (autofs). Thoughts?
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10:33<kop>Is there a better place to ask this question?
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10:35<inkbottle>babilen: I've had no wronged displayed pages so far with Iceweasel 4...
10:35<babilen>wonderful :)
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10:35<inkbottle>see you then
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10:40<ayaka>Excuse me? Who know how to let jack1 start when I login?
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10:41<houms>can anyone help me figure out why only qemu is an option in virtual machine manager (virt-manager)
10:41<houms>i know the virtualization extensions are enabled in BIOS
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10:41<houms>and I dual boot two different debian installs and one install works fine but this install does not show kvm as an option in virt-manager
10:42<kop>houms: Perhaps your hardware does not support kvm?
10:42<houms>I just said it does and I know it is enabled in BIOS
10:43<ayaka>houms, but it don't means your cpu supports it
10:43<houms>nevermind i am a dodo
10:43<houms>actually it does
10:43<houms>BIOS would not have that option listed if the cpu was not capable
10:43<ayaka>houms, cat /proc/cpuinfo
10:44<houms>like i said:
10:44<houms>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm ida dts tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority
10:44<ayaka>houms, have you installed kvm in your OC
10:44<houms>that was it ayaka
10:44<houms>i am a dodo
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10:45<houms>do you know if you can boot or migrate existing vms from vbox to virt-manager?
10:47<ayaka>houms, yes, your intel cpu support it
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10:55<houms>ayaka do you know why i cannot start NAT networking within virt-manager
10:55<houms>i get libvirtError: cannot create bridge 'virbr0': File exists
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10:55<ayaka>houms, I don't sorry I don't know much about this
10:55<houms>no problem. Thank you for your help earlier and your response
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11:01<babilen>glupek: Drivers installed directly from the ATI .bin files are not supported in #debian -- Try #ati on freenode. Running wheezy is also not the best idea you had
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11:02<glupek>what's "freenode" ?
11:02<daemonkeeper>Another IRC network
11:03<ayaka>Excuse me? Who know how to let jack1 start when I login?
11:03<sney>if you're in xchat, open your network list, it's under F
11:03<kop>ayaka: The answer might be in readme.debian, or not.
11:03<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
11:04<babilen>glupek: Try removing every trace of the ATI drivers and test it with xserver-xorg-radeon (/msg dpkg radeon) -- I would also make sure that you have the latest udev version installed (you might want to get that from sid)
11:04<kop>sney: Any thoughts on my udev vs autofs question above?
11:04<babilen>glupek: fglrx is also packaged for debian -- /msg dpkg fglrx
11:05<sney>kop: unfortunately I don't know anything about lvm, sorry
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11:05<babilen>glupek: err, xserver-xorg-video-radeon that is :)
11:05<kop>sney: It's not lvm per-se. The real question is whether there can be a universal set of rules that will make everybody happy -- although I suppose you need to know _something_ of lvm to have an opinion.
11:06<kop>babilen: Do you have any thoughts or should I just bumble thought and come up with something?
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11:07<babilen>uhm, missed the OP --- /me /lastlogs you :)
11:07<glupek>I carefully removed every server from xchat's server list. But I believe freenode is Am I right?
11:07<kop>I'm trying to automatically mount a fs in an lvm2 lv on an external usb disk when it's plugged in. I'm trying to figure out if it's better to frob udev or autofs and submit a patch.... The answer would seem to depend on whether there's universal rules that work for everybody (udev) or whether it's something that should be configured by mountpoint (autofs). Thoughts?
11:07<ayaka>kop, thank you
11:07<babilen>yes -- see (0.1 ms second google)
11:07<sney>glupek: yes, I think so, will also take you there.
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11:08<babilen>kop: My guts say: "Go the udev way"
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11:10<kop>babilen: Yes, the event driven approach seems like the ultimate goal. It means running some sort of script every time a usb disk is plugged in to test if it's an lvm pv. Does udev upstream want such scripts or is this something to be submitted to a debian package, and if so which package? What if there is no package?
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11:11<ayaka>set JACK_START_SERVER in your environment means export JACK_START_SERVER in ~/.jackdrc ?
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11:14<kop>Should it go upstream to the lvm2 maintainers?
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11:18<kop>babilen: The other issue is unmounting. The one nice aspect of autofs is that it will umount after a timeout. Which is better than nothing. Really there should be hooks somewhere to umount, deactiveate the lvs, remove the pv from the vg (perhaps deactivating the vg) before unplugging. Uh, perhaps a separate script? I'm really interesting in the boot sequence more than anything. It shouldn't matter if an external drive is powered-up late/after the box itse
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11:20<kop>It seems like the shutdown sequence takes care of things.
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11:41<daemonkeeper>Hi, alfredo. Can we help you?
11:42<alfredo>i would dowload the keylogger
11:42<daemonkeeper>/the/ keylogger?
11:42<alfredo>but on ubuntu is it not possibile?
11:43<alfredo>i am italian because
11:43<daemonkeeper>Maybe you should give us the big picture. However you seem to use Ubuntu anyway?
11:43<alfredo>the my english is bad
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11:44<daemonkeeper>Esiste un canale in italiano (#debian-it), ma solo per /Debian/, non Ubuntu.
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11:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:48*jespada people shoud use thing like this: axi-cache search keylogger
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11:57<bim>hi! can you help me with "Kernel panic - not synching: Attempted to kill init!"?
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11:58<ayaka>bim, you can't kill init
11:58<bim>ayaka: that's not me ;)
11:58<daemonkeeper>bim: What do you have above this line?
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11:59<daemonkeeper>Well, the interesting part :)
11:59<daemonkeeper>Might be quite a bit above
11:59<cahoot>debian kernel?
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12:00<bim>unstable, yeah
12:01<bim>it's realy boot stage, 2.749710]
12:01<cahoot>bim: is this a homegrown kernel?
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12:02<bim>cahoot: it is
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12:02<cahoot>maybe you should use a debian kernel?
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12:03<bim>cahoot: I removed /lib/modules by mistake, now I'm writing form another machine; on that one. no network at all
12:03<daemonkeeper>To give you advise you should provide the full error log.
12:04<daemonkeeper>You seem to have a stack trace straight above, which indicates a serious runtime problem
12:04<bim>daemonkeeper: I'm sitting near this machine now; well, I can try to type all what I see
12:05<daemonkeeper>Well, a picture would too
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12:05<bim>2.580012] ----[ cut here ]----
12:05<bim>(I have no digital cmaera)
12:05<ayaka> , when I try to package mplayer
12:06<bim>2.580271] kernel BUG at arch/powerpc/kernel/setup-common.c:678!
12:06<bim>2.580611] Oops: Exception in kernel mode, sig: 5 [#1]
12:07<daemonkeeper>Now, that's interesting.
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12:07<daemonkeeper>However you see, this seems to be a kernel bug
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12:07<daemonkeeper>So maybe consider filing a bug report to upstream
12:08<bim>daemonkeeper: how to?
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12:08<daemonkeeper>, note you /will/ need the full stack trace to make a good bug report
12:09<daemonkeeper>To workaround we would need to know more, maybe this affects a device you can disable
12:09<bim>daemonkeeper: like 2.902851] [ef855ff0] [c00103d4] kernel_thread+0x4c/0x68 << lines?
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12:10<daemonkeeper>Those yes. They are not really useful to us, but to kernel developers
12:10<daemonkeeper>Also note 2.6.38 is not the most recent kernel, better try newer versions, including bleeding edge trunks
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12:11<daemonkeeper>Maybe do this before, to find out whether your problem is fixed.
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12:12<bim>daemonkeeper: I'll try now; how to transfer it to that machine... w/o modules, even usb flash is not accepted
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12:12<daemonkeeper>Why don't you reinstall modules?
12:13<bim>daemonkeeper: how to? no network at all w/o modules
12:13<daemonkeeper>Well, if you did build this kernel, you have kernel sources lying back there?
12:13<daemonkeeper>and what is -libre?
12:13<bim>daemonkeeper: yes, sources are here, but they're not very new
12:14<bim>daemonkeeper: linux libre is googlable
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12:14<daemonkeeper>Doesn't matter. If you built the kernel from the sources there, just reinstall them?
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12:15<bim>daemonkeeper: just re-install? how can just another copying help?
12:15<bim>and yes, I edited /etc/yaboot.conf and then used ybin -b /dev/hda2
12:16<daemonkeeper>Well you have a kernel without matching /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/, but you have the kernel source producing those once still lying there?
12:17<bim>daemonkeeper: I removed repo's kernel's modules by mistake; this new kernel has its modules, of course; that was the reason I did build
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12:17<bim>in /boot, I still have 2.6.32.## from repos
12:18<daemonkeeper>Ok, so you now have a kernel source which does not work, a broken repository kernel, right?
12:18<daemonkeeper>However this implies 2.6.32 did but, so only your kernel does not work?
12:18<bim>daemonkeeper: repo kernel w/o modules, and my self-built onw which does panic, yep
12:19<bim>daemonkeeper: yeah, 2.6.32.# worked, and still can boot, but w/o network and w/o usb flash support
12:19<bim>(w/o fat32, exactly)
12:19<daemonkeeper>I see. So your .config may be broken, not the kernel itself maybe.
12:20<daemonkeeper>Why don't you try 2.6.32 .config for your .38 kernel then?
12:20<bim>daemonkeeper: I did
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12:20<bim>make oldconfig
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12:21<daemonkeeper>Ok, maybe something went wrong, since your kernel seems to work in general.
12:21<bim>may this matter: 2.479688] kernel coherency:off != device tree_coherency:on
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12:22<daemonkeeper>Unsure about that, at least I never heard about.
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12:23<bim>that's the line just before "kernel BUG..." one
12:23<daemonkeeper>by the way, do you have the kernel package in /var/cache/apt/archives left by chance?
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12:25<bim>I can't even ssh to it :( I do like monolithic kernel - no modules - now
12:27<bim>it was just a mistake...
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12:28<bim>I will always check in scripts [ -d ... ] before rm -rf 'ing it ;/
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12:28<daemonkeeper>Well, you can alway boot a live CD and reinstall your kernel.
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12:28<bim>daemonkeeper: live CD! yeah!!! oops, thanks
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12:29<bim>so I just need kernel, initramfs and /lib/modules for that version to copy, okay, really; rebooting
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12:29<daemonkeeper>if you are already booted into the dystem, look for the kernel package. Otherwise yeah, a live CD would be the simplest solution
12:30<bim>I' booting live cd now :)
12:31<pistolpete>daemonkeeper: when I restart my system it will not take me out to the grub menu, what could be causing this problem?
12:33<daemonkeeper>You disabled it?
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12:34<pistolpete>how so, it just restarts the active kernel, has that got something to do with live-boot?
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12:35<dba>pistolpete: read about kexec; reboot != coldreboot.
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12:37<ballison>i'm trying to build mysql-server from source and I can't figure out what i'm doing wrong. I pulled the tarball, extracted it, ran ./configure, make, make install and got no errors along the way. Yet- there's no mysqld binary in /usr/sbin/ when I'm done... any ideas how i can debug this?
12:37<pistolpete>dba: thanks I'm doing it now.
12:37<daemonkeeper>ballison: /usr/local/
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12:37<babilen>ballison: You (hopefully) installed it to /usr/local -- Any particular reason why you don't use the Debian packages?
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12:38<daemonkeeper>babilen: performance(TM)
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12:38<ballison>babilen: there's nothing in /usr/local/sbin/ I have to configure it with "--with-big-tables"
12:38<daemonkeeper>babilen: Can't speak for ballison, but MySQL gains a lot when compiled with ICC
12:38<babilen>daemonkeeper: Ok ... /me is typically in the psql camp
12:39<daemonkeeper>ballison: Did you really run make install? If yes, watch where it installs files.
12:39<ballison>babilen: I'm in the source directory after doing the make. Shouldn't I see the binary in there somewhere? i don't.
12:39<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Read the install target in the makefile and see where it puts things.
12:40<ballison>daemonkeeper: I did. I see nothing about bin or sbin in the install output - and- I got no errors
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12:41<ballison>I'm going to rebuild it with --prefix=/usr/local/mysql-5.1.49 so i know where it SHOULD output to
12:41<daemonkeeper>ballison: For the record, you can use Debian packages as well, even if you want to recompile with custom flags. Yet there is definitively something odd for you
12:41*babilen hands ballison a stow
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12:58<ballison>after you do a "make install" is there an standard output log of what it installed and where ?
12:59<daemonkeeper>No, but config.log may give you a hint. However you could just look at make installs outout ...
13:00<ballison>daemonkeeper: like "make install > install.log 2>&1 " like that?
13:00<daemonkeeper>For example
13:01<daemonkeeper>Or pipe through less
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13:04<jhutchins_lt>This is one of the reasons we use package managers.
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13:04<Giardo>hi all
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13:05<ballison>jhutchins_lt : i have special ./configure options i need.
13:05<daemonkeeper>ballison: So?
13:05<Giardo>can someone help me? (sorry for my bad english)
13:05<jhutchins_lt>ballison: So rebuild the debian package.
13:05<daemonkeeper>As said, get a source package, put your flag in, rebuild package
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13:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:05<Giardo>ops sorry :-)
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13:06<jhutchins_lt>Giardo: No problem, ask away.
13:06<ballison>daemonkeeper: then isn't a learning curve thing. I know how to do it with rpm source packages, but not debian...
13:07<daemonkeeper>ballison: apt-get source, enter directory, change, dpkg-buildpackage, wait.
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13:07<daemonkeeper>Maybe you need some build-deps
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13:07<ballison>daemonkeeper: woohoo! saving. i'll try that way next if this doesn't work.
13:07<Giardo>I'm running a server (shoutcast server precisely) with a Marvell 88E8071 ethernet card. Sometimes appens like the machine is plugged off the network, and looking in /var/log/kern.log i can see a lot of "sky2 eth0: Link is down". Can someone help me with this trouble? :-(
13:07<daemonkeeper>Since you compiled from source you should have them already though
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13:08<Giardo>WTF? :-)
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13:09<ballison>Giardo: too many people watching the royal wedding. :)
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13:09<Giardo>Ahahahah oh god! XD
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13:09<Giardo>I'm running a server (shoutcast server precisely) with a Marvell 88E8071 ethernet card. Sometimes appens like the machine is plugged off the network, and looking in /var/log/kern.log i can see a lot of "sky2 eth0: Link is down". Can someone help me with this trouble? :-(
13:10<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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13:10<jhutchins_lt>Giardo: What release? What kernel (uname -r)?
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13:12<s_i_m>ballison, you may want to look for checkinstall
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13:16<Giardo>? :-(
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13:16<jhutchins_lt>Giardo: What release?
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13:17<Giardo>now i tried with ubuntu (same problem) but also with debian 6 :-(
13:17<retrospectacus>Giardo: usually means the Ethernet cable is damaged or loose, or the switch/router turned off/rebooted/failed
13:18<jhutchins_lt>Or the card's bad.
13:18<Giardo>i thik it's related to this...
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13:18<Giardo>cable and router are brand new...
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13:20<jhutchins_lt>All the more reason to suspect trouble.
13:20<jhutchins_lt>Giardo: You could try a different ethernet card.
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13:21<Giardo>eh... i will try :-)
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13:23<Giardo>that's so frustrating XD
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13:23<jhutchins_lt>Giardo: You could also try whatever's curernt in Ubuntu, it's probably a newer kernel than the .32 in squeeze. A backport of .38 is working it's way toward squeeze.
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13:24<jhutchins_lt>When it comes to cheap ethernet chipsets, though, it's more often the hardware than the software.
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13:25<webad_13>could anyone held me with setting up bluetooth headset - I have managed to pair the device and the connection is successful, but I don't see it as hardware in sound preferences
13:25<webad_13>*help :)
13:25<Giardo>i will try to reinstall debian soon...
13:26<babilen>Giardo: And you could also install a newer kernel directly from the wheezy packages (linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 + linux-base)
13:26<Giardo>changing repos?
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13:27<babilen>No, just downloading the packages and installing them manually. You would then wait for the backported ones to enter squeeze-backports and switch
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13:28<babilen>There was a backport floating around somewhere already, but I can't find it :-\
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13:28<jhutchins_lt>babilen: I don't think it's official yet, but people have been testing it.
13:28<Giardo>okok i will try soon :-)
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13:31<babilen>jhutchins_lt: Yes, exactly that package ... /me too lazy to hunt it down as installing the wheezy packages is just as good
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13:35<mekt>To help you recompress all types of files, check out 'rewrite':
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13:43<bim>nice-nice, my live cd (cd-rw) looks damaged
13:44<ompaul>bim: have you got a usb stick - you can cat a modern iso to the stick to get you out of jail
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13:44<antonio_>ho know how to configure proquake dedicated server?
13:44<bim>meanwhile, I googled << almost same messages! but it's for 2.6.30 and for redhat paid linux
13:45<mekt>ompaul: that did not used to work, does it now?
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13:45<ompaul>mekt: it has for me with squeeze and above and aptosid
13:45<ompaul>so my current answer is yes :)
13:45<bim>and no patches in report, they just say: "as for %date%, kernel %version% is in repo, trey it", argh
13:45<antonio_>wrong channel sorry
13:46<bim>2.581709] REGS: ef855ef0 TRAP: 0700 Not tainted (
13:46<bim>^^^^ got his again
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13:48<bim>ompaul: my machine can't boot from usb at all, absolutely
13:49<ompaul>bim: then you need to get a new disk :-)
13:50<bim>ompaul: I do have semi-working kernel and source tarball, and full toolchain << isn't it enough? ..... why is it so hard to build working kernel...
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13:54<bim>is there any kernel-specific channel except #kernel @ freenode (which is silent)
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13:54<bim>mekt: at? which irc network?
13:54<mekt>i forget
13:55<mekt>the name might be a little different too WRT the dash
13:55<bim>mekt: ???
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13:55<mekt>bim: what did you not understand?
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13:56<bim>mekt: why you are saying useless things, while I'm in real problem
13:56<mekt>your welcome.
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13:56<ompaul>bim: ^^ that might help
13:57<bim>oftc, okay
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14:00<bim>mekt: ompaul: sorry, but #kernelnewbies @ oftc is much more silent than ever ##kernel @ freenode
14:01<mekt>bim: does it build w/out error message?
14:02<ompaul>bim: I can't help if the channels are silent. I do advise writing out a long question and sitting on it for 20 or 30 minutes, remember irc help is about getting an answer, it is not always going to be instant. You are dealing with people who usually want to help but may have their hands full right now.
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14:02<bim>ompaul: okay, I'll wait
14:03<bim>mekt: kernel builds with a lot of warnings, but w/o errors
14:03*MrFrood once had to wait 2 days for an answer on #ksh (freenode)
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14:04<ompaul>bim: you would expect that
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14:04<bim>ompaul: warnings? of course, set-but-unused are most popular ;)
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14:05<bim>and then -Wundef
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14:06<daemonkeeper>You can't claim to get help. Remember, all people helping you volunteered to do so.
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14:06<bim>daemonkeeper: yeah, I got it
14:06<daemonkeeper>Unless you signed a SLA with $company certifying you supported hard- and software, all you can do is to wait.
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14:07<bim>daemonkeeper: or to try to fix it by myself and upload patches ;)
14:07<daemonkeeper>(which is why some people use enterprise distributions)
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14:08<daemonkeeper>That's indeed a possibility and you are encouraged to contribute, but other's won't require this from you
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14:22<devil>bim: apto-sid!
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14:23<towo`>up up 'n away ;)
14:23<devil>that as well
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15:25<kiko_>vc fala português
15:25<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:25<bim>kiko_: je ne mas pas sis jour portuges
15:26<kiko_>que ótimo!
15:26<bim>bon voyage
15:27<kiko_>aonde vc mora?
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15:27<bim>kiko_: can you do a liitle english?
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15:28<bim>kiko_: nice ;)
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15:35<breakfast>Hello Debian Users!
15:35<breakfast>I have a question!
15:35<bim>breakfast: go on
15:35<breakfast>I am looking for Windows 7 Professional (64 Bit) in the repos
15:36<breakfast>And it seems to not be there
15:36<bim>breakfast: no
15:36<breakfast>Is there a plave where I can use my Key at?
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15:36<bim>breakfast: windoze is only in secret paid repos
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15:38<daemonkeeper>Fortunately he left.
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15:56<ballison>daemonkeeper: I'm going to try your method now, to use the debian tools to recompile mysql server from source but i need to pull a specific version. when i do "apt-get source mysql-server" it gives me 'mysql-dfsg-5.0-5.0.32".... but that's not what i need. I need 5.1.49
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15:57<daemonkeeper>judd: versions mysql-server
15:57<judd>Package mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.55-1; sid: 5.1.56-1
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15:57<daemonkeeper>Use a backport then
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15:58<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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16:01<ballison>W: GPG error: squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA
16:02<ballison>do i put squeeze-backports or lenny-backports in? i'm running lenny so i assume that's what i put in my sources.lst "lenny-backports main"
16:03<daemonkeeper>You run Lenny I presume, since 5.1 is in Squeeze already
16:03<daemonkeeper>Hence lenny-backports
16:03<daemonkeeper>For the key issue: You need to install the backports key.
16:03<ballison>but i'm still getting that GPG error when i do a apt-get update
16:04<daemonkeeper>Yeah, you need to install the backports key as said
16:05<daemonkeeper>(or you can just ignore it if you don't care)
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16:07<ballison>daemonkeeper: didn't work. I added the lenny backports to my sources.lst, updated, and then did "aptitude -t lenny-backports install "mysql-server-5.0" and got 5.0.51a-24+lenny instead of 5.1.49
16:07<daemonkeeper>Are you surprised by that, if you explicitly force -5.0?
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16:08<TA_>hi everybody, i have a problem with my debian, my "tar" fail when I want to unzip
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16:08<TA_>and I want to install Mac4Lin, it use tar so i can't install it
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16:09<bim>TA_: try infozip package
16:09<TA_>okay i'll try thanks
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16:09<ballison>daemonkeeper: how do i install the 5.1.49 versoin from backports then? when i specify mysql-server-5.1.49-3~bpo50+1 it says there's no package of that name.
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16:10<daemonkeeper>If you successfully enabled lenny-backports you can install mysql-server-5.1
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16:11<ballison>daemonkeeper: neat! that worked.
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16:14<ballison>daemonkeeper: this method is not gonna work though. it will let me install it but not get the source. the main problem i'm having is that i need to build against specific configure options and when i do mysql doesn't work (can't find binaries)....
16:14<ballison>so I thought i'd get use the "package management" way.. but when I do that i have to use backports and when i ask it to install the source it says no source for it...
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16:15<ballison> apt-get -t lenny-backports source mysql-server-5.1
16:15<ballison>E: Unable to find a source package for mysql-5.1
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16:15<daemonkeeper>Hmm, let me check if backports provide source packages at all. If not you may upgrade to Squeeze.
16:16<@Ganneff>of course backports provides source packages
16:16<babilen>ballison: You have a deb-src line for backports don't you?
16:16<@Ganneff>you just need to have the right deb-src line
16:16<@Ganneff>(it would be plenty illegal if it would be source-less)
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16:17<daemonkeeper>Ah, ok.
16:17<ballison>deb lenny-backports main
16:17<daemonkeeper>babilen is right
16:17<babilen>ballison: *deb-src*
16:17<daemonkeeper>You need a deb-src as well
16:17<@Ganneff>deb-src added to ballisons line.
16:18<daemonkeeper>bim: Yes.
16:18<daemonkeeper>bim: If he were on Squeeze he wouldn't need to backport MySQL 5.1 :)
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16:18<ballison>i see the problem. updating and trying again
16:18<babilen>ballison: Just curious: But why don't you upgrade?
16:18<ballison>i had no deb-src line .
16:18<ballison>babilen: one word : developers
16:18<babilen>ballison: You don't say ;)
16:19<ballison>the source is pulling now... now to find where to put my ./configure options..
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16:20<daemonkeeper>ballison: in debian/rules
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16:21<daemonkeeper>Maybe you want to change debian/changelog as well, to indicate your patched version.
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16:22<siva>can any1 help me
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16:22<babilen>!tell ballison -about package recompile
16:23<babilen>ballison: Also take a look at "dch"
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16:23<siva>am trying to install duel boot ubuntu 11.04, its says no operating system detected, but my lap is installed with win 7 and having a 2 disk partitions
16:24<daemonkeeper>siva: You noticed the channel name?
16:24<siva>am a newbee
16:24<daemonkeeper>This was not the question :)
16:24<siva>i dont knwo which chanel
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16:24<daemonkeeper>#ubuntu on Freenode
16:25<babilen>siva: Or install Debian and enjoy support in here :)
16:25<ompaul>how can you be a newbie end up on the wrong irc server and upstream
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16:25<babilen>!tell siva -about install debian
16:25<ompaul>just saying
16:25<thewanderer1>hi guys, what's the maximum number of users in a group?
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16:26<ballison>... about to give up.. the debian/rules files isn't clear where to put the ./configure options
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16:28<daemonkeeper>Aren't there any already?
16:28<daemonkeeper>I'd presume there are
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16:28<ballison>well it doesn't matter because the backport versoin (binary) fails to run as well. i just tried it
16:28<mutante>not sure if you'll like to help me with this..but ..cough.. i would like to use google-earth on wheezy, and it works, but slow as hell, it offers me to switch to "DirectX-mode" which sounds like it may be much faster, but when doing that "Google Earth has caught signal 11" every time. Do i have any chance to fix it or is bug reporting really all?
16:29<daemonkeeper>DirectX mode??
16:29<daemonkeeper>Are you sure you are on Linux?
16:29<mutante>yes, it says that, and its the Linux version
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16:29<ballison>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
16:29<ballison>invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
16:29<ballison>dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.1 (--configure):
16:29<dpkg>ballison: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
16:29<daemonkeeper>really, who made /this/ factoid?
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16:30<ballison>that's what i got from apt-get -t lenny-backports install mysql-server-5.1
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16:30<mutante>daemonkeeper: i am on Debian wheezy and i downloaded a "32 bit .deb (For Debian/Ubuntu)" from the google servers
16:30<daemonkeeper>*%3F%29 <- That's a smart one ;)
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16:31<daemonkeeper>ballison: Read the log. I bet mysql 5.0 is still running.
16:32<ballison>daemonkeeper; okay.. you are good. :)
16:32<ballison>darmonkeeper: it was. killed it, and restarted 5.1 and it works.
16:32<ballison>(( and no i never found where in the debian/rules to put the ./configure options i need :/ ))
16:33<daemonkeeper>Can you paste the rules file somewhere?
16:33<OdyX>Hi. What is the most current recommendation for a filesystem on SSDs ? (or does it not matter at all as I'm going "encrypted on SSD" anyway) ?
16:34<babilen>ballison: btw, I find it pretty obvious where to put additional configure options in debian/rules -- Search for "./configure" in there
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16:39<mutante>daemonkeeper: fyi, found other bug reports like mine and solution seems to be "use googleearth-package to build (your own) googleearth deb". I dont quite get the "DirectX" on Linux part either, but people say stuff like "Both opengl and directx modes are running for me." ..
16:41<mjr>haven't checked that out, but if it's a Wine port, it might make sense (in that in dx mode, it uses Wine's d3d->ogl libs)
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16:42<daemonkeeper>Its a native Qt binary, on Linux with OpenGL iirc.
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16:42<daemonkeeper>Still crappy non-free x86 only software.
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16:43<mutante>hrmm..would like to be free..but it's too slow to be usable.. do i just have to throw hardware at it?..i guess so
16:43<daemonkeeper>you may need accelerated graphic drivers
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16:46<mutante>better graphics hardware to start with.. ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]
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16:47<daemonkeeper>I have no clue about ATI hardware, but ought to be enough for Googleearth
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16:48<babilen>mutante: No problem here with a X1400 (last time i tried)
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16:50<daemonkeeper>accelerated ATI drivers are free to date, right?
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16:51<mutante>babilen: thanks. hmm:) i just have "radeon" in lsmod, which is /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.ko
16:52<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD ( The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. #radeon on For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
16:52<babilen>mutante: Note the libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware part in there -- You might also want to paste the (complete) output of "glxinfo" to
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16:53<mutante>nice, thanks
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17:08<venom00ut>is it possible to read and write from an hibernated ntfs partition?
17:08<venom00ut>maybe calling sync (windows version of linux's sync) from windows before hibernation
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17:17<Prins>Hello dear Debian's! :) I've just installed phpmyadmin and made a symlink to the phpmyadmin folder in the /var/www folder. When I goto it tells me that it cannot load the mcrypt extension. I have installed it, so what is wrong? :)
17:17<daemonkeeper>You did not reload Apache
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17:18<Prins>Hm, you may be right in that. Hold on
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17:19<cthuluh>also, you don't have to use a symbolic link in /var/www. phpmyadmin comes with an apache configuration file
17:19<Prins>Very clever, daemonk :)
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17:20<Prins>cthuluh: Yeah, I used that, but I couldn't use What should I use instead, if not using a symlink?
17:20<cthuluh>do you only have one virtualhost?
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17:21<cthuluh>if yes then the issue is that apache is not using the configuration file provided by phpmyadmin
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17:26<Prins>cthuluh: Yes, I only have one virtual host
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17:27<cthuluh>so is apache told to use the phpmyadmin config file?
17:27<Prins>But wouldn't it be enough just to use a symlink?
17:27<cthuluh>I'm almost sure this should be said in /usr/share/doc/, but *shrug*
17:28<cthuluh>well, you assume the apache configuration file only provides apache the real location of phpmyadmin
17:28<cthuluh>I bet there are other settings in this file
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17:32<Prins>Alrighty, so I found out how to do it :)
17:32<Prins>Thanks for the help, cthuluh :D
17:33<mateusz>cthuluh helping ppl ?
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17:34<Prins>Sounds like it's not happening often? :p
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17:34<babilen>mateusz: Please take it somewhere else (#debian-offtopic / #moocows) and learn how to type.
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17:35<Prins>^What he said. Anyway, thanks again for the help :)
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17:35<mateusz>babilen, cthulhu is a monster
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17:36<Guest3681>what package is debian testing using to replace python-gnome2-desktop
17:36<mateusz>Prins, did You not You read H.P.Lovecraft stories?
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17:36<mateusz>Prins, actually You might end up as a dinner for him :)
17:36<babilen>mateusz: I am well aware of what/who Cthulhu is in the Lovecraft novels, but this is not on-topic here and cthuluh (i.e. the user here) is helping people here regularly.
17:37<mateusz>babilen, oh... sorry I did not know that he is not real Cthulhu
17:37<trifolio6>hi, i made dist-upgrade and i loosed the usb keyboard and the builded in my notebook keyboard
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17:37<trifolio6>i think its in one new kernel
17:37<babilen>trifolio6: dist-upgrade from what to what?
17:38<ballison>The "Real Cthulhu" is here? we are doomed!
17:38<trifolio6>i cant change the kernell at start neither
17:38<trifolio6>i have debian unstable
17:38<trifolio6>just upgraded few minutes ago
17:38<trifolio6>now im in one live cd
17:38<babilen>trifolio6: Which udev version do you have? Do you have a /run directory?
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17:39<cthuluh>users asking sid support do not deserve any help :P
17:39<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: That's not true. They are expected to be above the IRC support level though.
17:39<trifolio6>babilen> i dont know what udev i have installed or /run directory
17:39<babilen>trifolio6: Check that please.
17:40<trifolio6>but if i can check that using this livecd sesion
17:40<trifolio6>i ll mount the device
17:40<babilen>trifolio6: Sure, chroot and knock yourself out :)
17:40<cthuluh>Guest3681: did you try
17:40<mutante>connect from another box via ssh until the keyboard is fixed?
17:40<trifolio6>ah, ok
17:40<cthuluh>mutante: if the nic driver is loaded
17:41<babilen>trifolio6: And are you sure that you have no keyboard at all or is this just inside X?
17:41<Guest3681>I have done a google search and a file comes up for all previous versions of debian, but doesn't seem present in wheezy
17:41<babilen>Guest3681: Might have been removed.
17:41<babilen>!why is python-gnome2-desktop not in testing
17:41<dpkg>python-gnome2-desktop is not in testing for the reasons listed in
17:41<babilen>,versions python-gnome2-desktop
17:41<judd>Package python-gnome2-desktop on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.0-2
17:41<trifolio6>im not sure, in X i have no answer to any keyboard, in the boot time i tried several times but i put very few time to the grub start
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17:42<cthuluh>trifolio6: grub wouldn't be affected anyway
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17:42<babilen>trifolio6: I mean on the console, not in X
17:42<mutante>Guest3681: you could try a "apt-cache search something" ..the old name may appear in the description of the new package
17:43<Guest3681>ok, will take a look
17:43<trifolio6>i cant go to the alt]F2
17:43<trifolio6>i have no konsole , no keyboard, no mouse
17:43<babilen>Guest3681: That package is not even in squeeze (stable) -- You are probably looking for python-gnome2 or python-gnome2-desktop-dev
17:43<trifolio6>il try to mount and chrroot
17:43<cthuluh>trifolio6: try starting in recovery mode, to prevent X from being started
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17:44<Guest3681>I tried both of those and it doesn't satisfy the dependency
17:44<babilen>Guest3681: Which dependency? What are you trying to do?
17:44<Guest3681>I am trying to install dockbar
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17:46<cirzgamanti>hi, is there a way to check on the lowest level if there is data coming in via a certain usb device?
17:46<babilen>Guest3681: do you have a link or the name of the package?
17:46<cthuluh>Guest3681: well, if you can't directly install dockbar...
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17:46<mutante>is it a pun that the link from "is not available in Debian" on the above page leads to a real 404 on
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17:47<babilen>mutante: Yes, that package has been removed
17:47<cthuluh>Guest3681: so no dockbar in debian
17:48<trifolio6>cthuluh> thats exactly what i first tried, but i had no time to press up or down or my keyborard does not answer in that moment neither, this is the same portable but with one livecd and keyboard is ok
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17:48<babilen>Guest3681: How are you trying to install it?
17:48<trifolio6>babilen> i cant go to console
17:48<Guest3681>the only thing I can't find is the python-gnome2-desktop, otherwise it should work
17:48<cthuluh>trifolio6: the onboard keyboard should answer, at the grub stage
17:48<trifolio6>i have console here in the live/cd
17:48<trifolio6>i know
17:49<trifolio6>thats what i first tried, to restar and select other kernel
17:49<babilen>trifolio6: Then chroot into the system, should work too if you can't get into single user mode / recovery
17:49<Guest3681> I follow the instructions that came with it, basically install the dependencies and copy a file and folder to the proper location and then add to the panel
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17:49<cthuluh>trifolio6: using a different kernel wouldn't help if the problem is linked to udev
17:49<trifolio6> chroot /mnt/1
17:49<trifolio6>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': Exec format error
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17:50<trifolio6>i have that mounted, but ill check the directory to see if there is the boot there
17:50<cthuluh>trifolio6: SHELL=/bin/bash chroot /mnt/1
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17:50<jhutchins_lt>trifolio6: It appear that /bin is not there.
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17:50<raylu>actually, 'exec format error' suggests you are chrooting into a 32-bit system from a 64-bit kernel or vice versa
17:50<cthuluh>or that :P
17:51<trifolio6>root:# SHELL=/bin/bash chroot /mnt/1
17:51<trifolio6>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
17:51<trifolio6> ls
17:51<trifolio6>bin/ etc/ lib/ media/ sbin/ tmp/ vmlinuz.old@
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17:51<trifolio6>that 32/64 can be true
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17:52<trifolio6>thats a 64
17:52<cthuluh>well. backup your home partition if you had one and start over
17:52<trifolio6>ill see this one
17:52<babilen>Guest3681: What is the actual error you get?
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17:52<trifolio6> uname -a
17:52<trifolio6>Linux #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Feb 15 09:31:04 CST 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
17:53<cthuluh>trifolio6: if those are the only directories in your former /, then you fucked up your system in some way
17:53<babilen> ???
17:53<trifolio6>the live/cd i have near
17:53<babilen>ah :)
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17:53<Guest3681>The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:Gnome_DockBarApplet".
17:53<trifolio6>cthluh, i have more lines in that ls, but i just showed the one with bin directory
17:54<Guest3681>I am assuming that is due to not having the python-gnome2-desktop installed
17:54<cthuluh>Guest3681: you do know that ubuntu apps are not supported on debian, do you?
17:54<trifolio6>so, supergames is smp thats 64 isnt it_
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17:55<Guest3681>I know that, but it claims that it should work
17:55<cthuluh>trifolio6: look in /mnt/1/boot
17:55<jhutchins_lt>trifolio6: That kernel is 32b
17:55<babilen>Guest3681: any real error in, say, ~/.xsession-errors?
17:55<bim>cthuluh: what's the difference b/w ubuntu's and debian's .debs?
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17:55<babilen>Guest3681: You are using wheezy, dont' you?
17:55<Guest3681>yep, wheezy
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17:56<jhutchins_lt>Guest3681: Congratulations. Your testing has successfully found a problem.
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17:57<jhutchins_lt>Guest3681: Please report the bug then restore the backup you made before upgrading.
17:57<trifolio6>so, i need to change the live/cd to solve the problem?
17:57<Guest3681>backup? I just installed it, there is no backup
17:57<raylu>trifolio6: the 'i686' reveals it is 32-bit, yes. switching to a 64-bit livecd should fix it
17:57<trifolio6>cthuluh: what do i check in that directory?
17:58<cthuluh>trifolio6: that would be an idea. an other would be to boot in rescue mode, with your *current* kernel, to see if the problem is related to Xorg or not
17:58<trifolio6>ok, i can look for other live/cd
17:58<Guest3681>there are erros in the error log, what should I look for?
17:58<cthuluh>trifolio6: the architecture of the installed kernels
17:58<trifolio6>i tried the rescue mode 5 or 6 times
17:58<jhutchins_lt>Guest3681: This is why it's called testing.
17:58<trifolio6>i have no time to press the keys before that timer start the kernel
17:58<cthuluh>trifolio6: didn't you say earlier that you couldn't since you had no time to select it in grub?
17:59<trifolio6>i tried
17:59<trifolio6>but i cant
17:59<cthuluh>so you did *not*
17:59<Guest3681>well that is fine, it works otherwise. It is just an app I wanted to add to my panel, it isn't that important
17:59<trifolio6>i tried like 6 times to restart and use that mode
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17:59<trifolio6>but i did not started with that mode, i was not able to press the key
17:59<trifolio6>to selec that
18:00<trifolio6>so, i did not
18:00<trifolio6>but it was my first idea
18:00<trifolio6>can i just overwrite the time up at grup to be able to do that_
18:00<cthuluh>trifolio6: keeping the shift key pressed, for example, doesn't stop grub?
18:00<jhutchins_lt>Guest3681: That's ok, you'll find other bugs. Testing is fairly new and unstable now, it'll break many times before it is released.
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18:00<trifolio6>shift? i did not tested that key
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18:01<trifolio6>i tested esc, up, down, ...
18:01<cthuluh>I think any key should be ok
18:01<trifolio6>ok, then ill reboot ant check it up now
18:01<jhutchins_lt>USB keyboard.
18:01<trifolio6>see u in a while :)
18:01<Guest3681>ok, sounds like fun, I just wasn't sure why the file was gone, couldn't find anything so I figured I would ask
18:01<cthuluh>he has an onboard keyboard too
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18:11<jhutchins_lt>Ah,, well, so much for that theory.
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18:22<trifolio6>hi all. Baby: the system says : "i was not able to mount /run/udev directory" or to write there
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18:22<trifolio6>the problem is with that /run/udev directory thats why i dont have normal start
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18:24<trifolio6>shit im still in one 32 bit kernel
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18:25<gnugr>how can i start a debian channel in OFTC
18:25<trifolio6>babilen: that problem with the run directory is my problem
18:26<trifolio6>do you know what do i need to be able to use the keyboard if i have one problem at start with unable to use /run/udev directory?
18:27<trifolio6>can i just add more time to the grub using this live/cd_
18:27<babilen>which version of udev do you have installed? marco d'itri claims that everyhting >= udev 167-1 should be fine
18:27<babilen>trifolio6: Easiest way is probably to just remove /run for now
18:27<babilen>!udev 620995
18:27<dpkg>udev 167-1 in sid is currently broken, because it tries to use /run created by base-files 6.2 which is not yet supported by the initscripts version in sid. Downgrade udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1 and remove /run to fix it. Install <apt-listbugs> and see #620995, #620191, #621036 and for details.
18:27<daemonkeeper>gnugr: /join #gnugr
18:27<babilen>trifolio6: You could also try to install the udev version in sid
18:27<trifolio6>i dont know, but i can ched the /etc/atp/cache to see if i have the deb package for udev
18:28<daemonkeeper>gnugr: Note, for questions like yours there is #oftc
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18:28<trifolio6>i cant install any thing, i cant use my keyboard
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18:29<trifolio6>babilen, i cant see the /run directory
18:29<babilen>well, then remove /run -- that should take care of it
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18:30<trifolio6>there is not /run directory
18:30*gnugr wrong channel me stupid
18:31<trifolio6> ls
18:31<trifolio6>bin boot cdrom dev etc home initrd.img initrd.img.old lib lib64 lost+found media mnt opt proc root sbin selinux srv sys tmp usr var vmlinuz vmlinuz.old
18:31<babilen>its not that bug then
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18:32<babilen>trifolio6: Well, check the BTS for applicable bugs. I would start with the ones referenced in #620995 and other reported against udev/base-files/sysvinit et al.
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18:33<babilen>trifolio6: I guess that upgrading udev does help
18:33<trifolio6>i cant upgrade
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18:33<trifolio6>and i did just upgrade all
18:33<trifolio6>so i think i have it upgraded
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18:38<trifolio6>babilen: i cant do any change if im not able to use the keyboard
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18:39<babilen>trifolio6: either: chroot into the system or don't start x / boot into recovery mode
18:39<trifolio6>i cant stop the boot to select the recovery
18:39<trifolio6>can i just change the time at boot from this live/cd?
18:40<trifolio6>then i will be able to use recovery mode
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18:41<babilen>trifolio6: You want to change the GRUB_TIMEOUT value in /etc/default/grub -- make sure to mount proc and dev before you run update-grub
18:41<babilen>trifolio6: mount it into the chroot that is
18:42<trifolio6>i am not in one 32 bit kernel now
18:42<trifolio6>so i cant chroot
18:42<babilen>trifolio6: also make sure that #GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true" is either commented or "false"
18:43<babilen>trifolio6: 64bit → 32bit should be fine shouldn't it?
18:43<trifolio6>i am in one live/cd with 32 and my system is 64
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18:44<babilen>get a different live cd or use the debian installer cd (/me recommends GRML)
18:44<cirzgamanti>is it correct that 2.6.38 does not have udev (any more)? if so, where could the lirc device be, if not /dev/lirc0? there's nobody on #lirc :(
18:44<babilen>trifolio6: yes
18:44<trifolio6>ill try to find that grml
18:44<trifolio6>whats that?
18:44<babilen>cirzgamanti: udev is still used and will stay for some time to come
18:44<daemonkeeper>A Debian based live distro
18:44<babilen>trifolio6: a live cd
18:44<cirzgamanti>ok thx
18:45<babilen>cirzgamanti: No idea about your lirc problem though :)
18:45<cirzgamanti>babilen: yeah, i guess it's not very common hardware :(
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18:45<babilen>trifolio6: But you can use any other live cd such as debian-live, knoppix or whatever
18:45<cirzgamanti> is not very helpful with this either unfortunately
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18:46<trifolio6>42 minutes
18:46<trifolio6>to download that
18:47<babilen>cirzgamanti: run "udevadm monitor" and plug in the remote thingie
18:47<babilen>cirzgamanti: And what do you get in dmesg about it?
18:47<dpkg>Linux Infrared Remote Control (LIRC) is a package providing the ability to send and receive infrared (i.e. Consumer IR, aka CIR) signals. The i2c driver (for Hauppauge and PixelView TV cards) provided by Squeeze's lirc-modules-source (0.8.3-5) fails to build on Linux 2.6.32 (BTS #562512); use "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium lirc-modules-source" to deselect via debconf. #lirc on See also <irda>.
18:48<cirzgamanti>output of udevadm:
18:49<babilen>cirzgamanti: dmesg? /usb/hiddev1 looks like it, but check dmesg
18:49<babilen>"dmesg|tail -42" should be more than enough
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18:50<planet8>Doing something like "mplayer DVD://1" doesn't work on my installation of aqueeze. Where is the "path" or "alias" to "DVD" set?
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18:50<cirzgamanti>babilen: yay, that was it :)) million thanks :)
18:51<babilen>cirzgamanti: humpf? What was it? What have you done? What is working now? yay?!?
18:51<cirzgamanti>the device is /dev/usb/hiddev1
18:52<cirzgamanti>now i can remote control my machine - i had already given up on this last year, and re-tried this time with a new debian install
18:52<babilen>cirzgamanti: Great -- I was about to run out of ideas as I know nothing about lirc :)
18:52<babilen>but a little generic debugging goes a long way :)
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18:55<babilen>cirzgamanti: Enjoy being the remote overlord and have a good time :)
18:55<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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18:57<cirzgamanti>babilen: thx, i will.
18:58<mutante>babilen: after succesful "libgl1-mesa-dri and firmware part" from ~200 FPS in glxgears to ~2000 FPS, and Google Earth runs very nice :)).actually now it does not even talk about the "DirectX-mode" anymore at startup. thanks :)
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18:59<babilen>mutante: Enjoy!
18:59<daemonkeeper>Which is a stupid suggestion by Googleeath anyway imho
18:59<babilen>it is :)
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19:00<mutante>i reported the crash to them anyways:)
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19:01<daemonkeeper>Google should finally update it to support AMD64 properly.
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19:08<mutante>hrmm,seems i am still lacking some fonts it expects me to have.. just boxes when i type into the search form and all around it
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19:14<Axident>hi, I cant update, get this error message:
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19:18<babilen>mutante: Try selecting a different font -- short google seems to indicate you need ttf-bitstream-vera installed -- No idea, google yourself
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19:19<mutante>yep, already did and tried that about to replace Qt libs...
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19:20<babilen>Axident: You have a borked sources list from opera in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and it would be much easier to help you if I could read the errors so prefix all commands with LANG=C -- Please try a different mirror!
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19:21<babilen>!show sources.list
19:21<dpkg>Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
19:21<babilen>Axident: ^^^^
19:22<Axident>babilen: ????
19:22<babilen>Axident: let me take a look at your sources.list please
19:23<babilen>pastebin == put it on
19:26<babilen>But I guess that your line for the security repo is wrong
19:26<babilen>!squeeze sources.list
19:26<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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19:26<babilen>Axident: Add "contrib non-free" to those as you please and replace with a mirror of your choice if you don't want to use the geo ip mirrors
19:26<babilen>!geo soruces
19:27<babilen>!geo sources
19:27<dpkg>To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from An example line for your sources.list is "deb squeeze main". See for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar.
19:27<bst>Axident: name need to end with .list not .save
19:27<babilen>Axident: Please note the " squeeze/updates main" in there --- And as I said: Opera put a borked sources list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/. Check that too!
19:28<nyov>hi I'm pretty sure I saw an ITP for openqrm previously, but now I can't find it on wnpp, does someone have a hint for me? could it have disappeared?
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19:30<babilen>Axident: Yeah, look at line 10 there is your error (should be the same as above with deb-src instead of deb) -- and you want to make sure to have "main contrib non-free" everywhere
19:30<nyov>I seem to recall I even tracked down the (empty) git repo for it back then, some months ago
19:31<Axident>babilen: ty, will try to change this
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19:32<babilen>Axident: I mean you don't necessarily need "main contrib non-free" but if you have the repositories enabled you want to enable the security updates for it too
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19:35<babilen>nyov: Hmm, lets have a look
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19:37<nyov>babilen: thank you :) I don't know if and how fast closed bugs can disappear
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19:39<nyov>nothing on google, still checking the ml, maybe my memory starts getting bad :|
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19:39<babilen>nyov: Can't find it ... Heisenpackage?
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19:39<babilen>No RFP, no ITP, no nothing
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19:39<Axident>im totally confused. Not sure where to ad contrib non-free. Must I exchange stable non-free with contrib non-free?
19:40<nyov>babilen: yeah :/ Heisenpackage?
19:40<babilen>Axident: No, you just want to make sure that you have "main contrib non-free" in the end ...
19:41<nyov>Axident: replace stable non-free with stable main contrib non-free
19:41<babilen>nyov: A term coined by me -- for etymology
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19:42<nyov>indeed, this one eludes me pretty good
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19:43<babilen>Axident: like this
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19:53<eduardowoj>Good evening guys!
19:53<babilen>good evening
19:54<babilen>Axident: Figured it out?
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19:54<Axident>hi eduardowoj
19:54<Axident>babilen: I changed as you instructed and ran aptitude update but get same error
19:54<eduardowoj>Someone knows how to install the in squeeze?
19:55<eduardowoj>I need this library to install xgterm, to run IRAF
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19:56<Corey>Playing around with my (older) netbook, has a broadcom chipset that the b43 firmware takes care of. Unfortunately it seems to not want to associate to any nearby access points.
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19:57<babilen>Axident: Run "LANG=C aptitude update" and show me
19:58<babilen>Axident: Ah, I think I had an error in there .. let me check
19:58<babilen>Axident: Try (sorry)
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20:00<babilen>eduardowoj: That file is not in any package in squeeze, wheezy or sid -- You are probably looking for libncurses5-dev which ships /usr/lib/
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20:03<Axident>babilen: np, change again but still a problem
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20:04<babilen>show me plase
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20:10<babilen>Axident: You are not using the sources.list I gave you ... Note the difference between line 5 on and line 8 here
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20:12<babilen>Axident: Also no "non-free" on line 7 (your paste)
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20:12<Axident>ahh, something I didn't see. Now it's me to say sorry :)
20:13<babilen>So, I guess it is working now?
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20:23<Axident>babilen: still no go. I now copy paste into sources.list
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20:25<babilen>Axident: No, use
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20:33<Axident>babilen: I asume it's only Opera which fail now. error message has changed to only contenting this entry
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20:34<babilen>Axident: yes, remove that opera brokenness from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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20:39<Axident>put in # before that. Then no failure. But then I will also not get any update for Opera. have you any idea about what is wrong?
20:39<babilen>Axident: I don't now, you never ran the command I gave you in the very beginning
20:40<babilen>Probably their filename ... it *must* end in .conf
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20:44<Axident>I'm not sure which command?
20:44<babilen>!show sources.list
20:44<dpkg>Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
20:44<babilen>Axident: What is the name of the file?
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20:45<Axident>oh this was you!
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20:47<babilen>Axident: yes, sure
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20:47<macondo>hi, i've forgotten how to enter my BIOS, i've tried F12, but can't remember what other keys do the job
20:47<babilen>make that "opera.conf"
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20:54<jhutchins_lt>macondo: Perhaps you could do a vigorous pantomime from which we might guess the make and model of this BIOS?
20:54<Axident>babilen: I dont know how to use this command cant figure out what to change
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20:55<jhutchins_lt>Axident: ARE there updates to opera?
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20:55<Axident>I dont know?
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20:56<jhutchins_lt>Axident: I haven't seen any since I installed it months ago.
20:56<Axident>jhutchins_lt: Is this for stable or beta?
20:57<jhutchins_lt>Hm. oldstable.
20:58<macondo>it's just an old box, Intel
20:58<babilen>Axident: Just "cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ; mv opera.conf" assuming the file is indeed named opera.conf and contains a valid opera repository declaration
20:58<Axident>jhI'm running stable
20:58<Axident>jhutchins_lt: I'm running stable
20:58<ayaka>does we have docbook stylesheets package?
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20:59<jhutchins_lt>macondo: F2, Esc, Del, F12, any of the above accompanied by Ctrl. Sometimes you can just hold down the space bar and generate a stuck key error which may show you what to hit. Oh, F1 sometimes.
20:59<babilen>ayaka: Sure! run "apt-cache search docbook stylesheet"
20:59<jhutchins_lt>macondo: Or home, or end.
20:59<ayaka>babilen, you know I have tried
20:59<macondo>thanks, bud
21:00<jhutchins_lt>macondo: Don't thank me until it works.
21:00<babilen>ayaka: hehe, docbook-xsl or docbook-dsssl not what you are looking for?
21:00<jhutchins_lt>On my old Toshiba you have to connect a special plug to the printer port.
21:00<ayaka>babilen, no, all done
21:00<macondo>thanks anyway
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21:02<ayaka>ayaka, I want to said I have installed them before
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21:03<Axident>babilen: no such file or catalog
21:05<babilen>Axident: Then please run the command given by dpkg above and paste the results. I can't guess ...
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21:10<babilen>Axident: And the error you get?
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21:14<babilen>Axident: Could you run "find /etc/apt/" please and paste that
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21:19<ayaka>no way to solve this, I think I should try the source
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21:20<babilen>Axident: "mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera.conf" should do the trick
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21:22*cthuluh thought sources.list.d used the "foo.list" name format
21:22<grml1>hi, i am in the grml because i cant use my keyboard in my debian unstable
21:23<babilen>cthuluh: it does?
21:23<Andreas_Moe>I've never typed just "sudo aptitude"
21:23<grml1>now i tried to chroot and i still have the problem
21:23<cthuluh>babilen: maybe am I a bit tired, just look at the manpage :P
21:23<babilen>cthuluh: jeez, i'm tired ... it sure does
21:23<Andreas_Moe>I just realised it is a cli "program" :|
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21:23<babilen>Axident: Hold you horses!
21:23<cthuluh>Andreas_Moe: cool
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21:23<grml1> chroot /mnt
21:24<grml1>chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt: Operation not permitted
21:24<babilen>cthuluh: Thanks!
21:24<cthuluh>grml1: so, you have no kbd in grml?
21:24<grml1>i have keyboard in any live-cd
21:24<cthuluh>grml1: are you root, in grml, before doing that?
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21:24<Axident>babilen: so now I cant update Opera. But anyway if theres is no update it doesn't matter, ty
21:24<Axident>babilen: have a nice sleep
21:24<babilen>Axident: I would just remove that opera.list file for now
21:24<cthuluh>opera sucks anyway (oops)
21:24<grml1> chroot /mnt
21:24<babilen>Axident: You too!
21:24<grml1>chroot: failed to run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
21:25<Andreas_Moe>conkeror is p cool yo
21:25<cthuluh>grml1: SHELL=/bin/bash chroot /mnt
21:25<grml1>ah, that runs
21:26<cthuluh>grml1: so now should we help you to debug sid? ;)
21:26<grml1>want can i do now? the problem was that /run/udev was not writable i think
21:26<Andreas_Moe>use magic
21:26<cthuluh>grml1: try to rm -Rf /run
21:26<babilen>grml1: Don't forget to: mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc
21:26<cthuluh>fsxk, I'm tired about these sid "problems"
21:27<grml1>there is not /run directory
21:27<cthuluh>Andreas_Moe: file names extensions don't mean anything on unix
21:27<babilen>grml1: substiture /target with the mountpoint of your debian system
21:27<Axident>cthuluh: Opera is still more stable than chromium and a lot faster than mozilla firefox, een the new one
21:27<babilen>!udev 620995
21:27<dpkg>udev 167-1 in sid is currently broken, because it tries to use /run created by base-files 6.2 which is not yet supported by the initscripts version in sid. Downgrade udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1 and remove /run to fix it. Install <apt-listbugs> and see #620995, #620191, #621036 and for details.
21:28<cthuluh>Axident: I really don't care about the technical qualities of opera
21:28<Andreas_Moe>cuz it's evil closed source?
21:30<grml1>babilen: do u mean that now, after the chroot, i must do mount --bind /dev /dev and mount -t proc none /proc ??
21:30<Axident>cthuluh: why do you find Opera sucks?
21:30<babilen>grml1: I wrote that factoid ^^^ when the bug hit sid -- The udev maintainer (md) claimed that it it fixed in udev >= 167-1 (I guess you have 167-3) fixed the problem, which it obviously didn't. You could just remove /run and be done with it, but you then have to make sure that you complete the udev/sysvinit/base-files transition in due course
21:31<babilen>grml1: Trying the udev version in sid might also be an idea ...
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21:31<cthuluh>Andreas_Moe & Axident: you can put a lot of stuff behind that description, "evil closed source". such as "hype", or "it rocks", etc
21:31<grml1>Version: 168-1
21:31<cthuluh>it's just a browser
21:32<babilen>,versions udev
21:32<judd>Package udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 167-3; sid: 168-1
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21:32<babilen>grml1: Where did you get that version from? did you upgrade is earlier?
21:32<cthuluh>yes, updating udev in sid fixes stuff, you just have to be sure that no /run directory is present
21:33<grml1>i did just aptitude dist-upgrade some hours before and i am in this problem since that moment
21:33<babilen>cthuluh: Marco D'Itri claims that /run wouldn't be used if /run is not a tmpfs ... Seems that claim is wrong (even with the newest udev version)
21:33<cthuluh>grml1: consider it as a lesson: you shouldn't run sid if you're not prepared to fix things by yourself (and reading the bugreports)
21:33<grml1>i dont have a /run directory present
21:34<cthuluh>babilen: yep, lot of claims. all in all, I think it's just a lesson tgiven to users
21:34<babilen>grml1: I would recommend to follow the suggestions by Roger Leigh (the person who coordinates the /run migration) and just remove /run and downgrade the packages mentioned earlier
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21:34<babilen>cthuluh: yeah, typical md again :)
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21:35<babilen>grml1: basically: remove /run and reboot, everything should be fine, the rest is cosmetic. You just have to make sure that you make the transition in due course
21:35<nyov>he said < grml1> there is not /run directory
21:35<Axident>cthuluh: but this is still no really answer. what wrong with Opera?
21:35<grml1>babilen, i am trying to say that i do not have a /run directory
21:35<cthuluh>Axident: its users
21:36<cthuluh>grml1: we heard that, we are *warning* you in case
21:36<cthuluh>you should not run sid, I know
21:36<grml1>if i dont have to do that and just restart, then i did not fixed the problem
21:36<grml1>nothing changed and ill not be able to use keyboards
21:37<cthuluh>this is not the whole content of babilen told you
21:37<cthuluh>of what*
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21:37<Rafael_Brazil>OLA GALERA
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21:37<babilen>I actually have way too much udev+/run+bugs in my head to keep track of all of them simultanously
21:38<cthuluh>!br > Rafael_Brazil
21:38<dpkg>> Rafael_Brazil: Este canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:39<babilen>grml1: Have you checked the BTS as suggested earlier? What is the exact error you get?
21:39<ayaka>does debian wiki in buzy, I can't visit
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21:39<grml1>im confused
21:39<babilen>ayaka: works fine here
21:40<cthuluh>grml1: don't be confused. debugging stuff requires a lot of work. you have two ways to deal with it: save your data and reinstall stable, or accept it and debug
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21:40<ayaka>babilen, ok, my deer china goverment are doing stupid things
21:40<cthuluh>grml1: sid is not meant to be usable
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21:40<ayaka>babilen, I'm dying to debian have ipv6 site
21:40<grml1>ok, i undestand it
21:40<Axident>cthuluh: you may dont like Opera useres but this still dont make Opera a sucking browser. Anyway it's a bit waste of time to get you opinion on this as you don't write anything about Opera.
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21:41<cthuluh>Axident: 'cause there's nothing to write about it ;)
21:41<nyov>debian has no ipv6 site?
21:41<cthuluh>(since there's nothing to read...)
21:41<cthuluh>$ dig +short aaaa
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21:42<nyov>cthuluh: was just about to check
21:42<ayaka>cthuluh, thank you
21:43<grml1>is it possible to find one udev in my debian with a version number biguer than the actual in unstable?
21:43<nyov>but the wiki has not
21:43<cthuluh>ayaka: I don't want to be rude, but why are you thanking me for? :P
21:43<Axident>cthuluh: hehe, one thing you can write is still it sucks. But thats your opinion no agument.By the way which browser do you user your self?
21:44<babilen>grml1: no, that is the latest version. Try downgrading to the versions I mention in the bug report .. OR USE STABLE
21:44<ayaka>cthuluh, in fact I use ipv6 tunnel, I'm ipv6, do you know how to set a ipv6 dns
21:44<ayaka>cthuluh, $ dig +short aaaa
21:44<cthuluh>ayaka: ok, but you shouldn't get connectivity problems if your tunnel is set up well
21:44<grml1>im not worry about to debug this problem, im in one live-usb created with one live-cd and in a chroot to my unstable, im open to make debug
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21:45<ayaka>cthuluh, but this time I should use hosts file to visit youtube ,because I don't have a dns server
21:45<nyov>ayaka: try your /etc/hosts
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21:46<cthuluh>Axident: the main argument was stated by you (or someone else): closed source. also, apart from speed (which is subjective) and supposed compliance, opera has no advantages over the browser I use (iceweasel, elinks, midori, xxxterm, etc)
21:46<nyov>ayaka: or set up unbound
21:46<grml1>ok, can u guide me about downgrading the package?, its my firt time
21:46<ayaka>nyov, yes I do, but I don't all the site's ipv6 address, so I need a dns
21:47<ayaka>nyov, a soft call unbound?
21:47<cthuluh>Axident: arguments that *prove* that something is better are worthless unless there *are* proofs. you have no proof but what you feel about your browser. or you can read the source
21:47<babilen>grml1: get the packages from and install them with dpkg -i
21:47<babilen>grml1: note: unsupported
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21:47<nyov>ayaka: soft call?
21:48<grml1>do i uninstall the actual udev before?
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21:48<ayaka>nyov, unbound is a soft name?
21:48<cthuluh>it is
21:48<grml1>what about proc and bin? do i need to do that now?
21:48<ayaka>nyov, so do you know dns way
21:48<babilen>grml1: no, you don't
21:48<babilen>grml1: no you don't have to
21:49<nyov>ayaka: your ipv4 dns server should also resolve aaaa/ipv6 domains
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21:49<babilen>ayaka: And if it does not, use one that does ( or for example)
21:49<cthuluh>ayaka: installing bind as a local dns cache is trivial, merely aptitude install it. I guess that the debian unbound is easy too
21:49<nyov>ayaka: but you can set up unbound as a recursor/cache on your own machine
21:49<ayaka>nyov, sure, but without hosts , I can't visit youtube
21:50<ayaka>babilen, yes google dns
21:50<grml1>whats the package version u recomended? this irc client is hard to manage and does not scroll eassy
21:50<babilen>cthuluh, ayaka: maradns is also a good choice
21:50<cthuluh>indeed, but I prefer unbound :P
21:50<babilen>!tell grml1 -about udev 620995
21:50<nyov>i prefer unbound for the dnssec things
21:51<grml1>tell did not told anything
21:52<babilen>!udev 620995
21:52<dpkg>udev 167-1 in sid is currently broken, because it tries to use /run created by base-files 6.2 which is not yet supported by the initscripts version in sid. Downgrade udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1 and remove /run to fix it. Install <apt-listbugs> and see #620995, #620191, #621036 and for details.
21:52<babilen>grml1: Please also read the bug reports referenced in there
21:52<ayaka>babilen, cthuluh nevyn so I have to set up a dns server and follow a dns server? but how to set it in networkmanger and I us pppoe to internet
21:54<cthuluh>AH, now let's talk about NM :))
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21:54<nyov>damn NM
21:54<grml1>babilen: error in that url: The requested URL /debian-devel/2011/debian-devel-201104/msg0035.html was not found on this server.
21:54<cthuluh>ayaka: please try to setup NM by yourself
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21:55<Axident>cthuluh: open source don't mean it better software. It just mean you can develope this. Closed source will still be developed, and as long this works proper it really doesn't matter for me. I'm no developer and will never be that. For me as user of software it depends on stability. Both Chromium and Chrome is open source but still don't handle google maps as any other browser does even Google waisting lot of time and money on that. Open source doesn't mean
21:55<Axident>it is good working software.
21:55<cthuluh>ayaka: if you installed it on your current mahcine (as I hope you did), you have have to use as your name server
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21:56<ayaka>cthuluh, I see, but I wonder it's in ipv6
21:57<nyov>ayaka: in my squeeze NM, i can set IPv6 to 'automatic, addresses only' and then enter a DNS server only. maybe that works if you enter ::1 there
21:57<cthuluh>Axident: after "better", now we are gonna have to define "good". sorry but I see no point in discussing it tonight. perhaps an other day, it will be a pleasure (and in private or in #debian-offtopic)
21:57<nyov>ayaka: of course you need unbound or some recursor setup to make it work
21:58<nyov>if I was chinese I'd probably go looking for a ssl-tunneled dns ;)
21:58<ayaka>nyov, if I have a ipv6 dns server I don't need to do this
22:01<nyov>ayaka: I guess you mean an address of some DNS server then, hm lets have a look
22:01<Axident>cthuluh: you are right, this is not the palce to discuss. We can take this another day if you like.
22:01<ayaka>nyov, a dns server 2001:470:20::2
22:02<cthuluh>ah, china...
22:02<grml1>i tried to make wget at the chroot to download the deb and install it with dpkg -i but i dont have connection
22:02<grml1>cant i make one dhcp in my chroot ?
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22:03<nyov>ayaka: well if you have one, what's your question again?
22:03<ayaka>nyov, but in network manger ,I should add it to auto eth0 or pppoe
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22:06<SattamJH>hi there
22:06<nyov>ayaka: put it in eth0, see if it works (works that way in my /etc/network/interfaces)
22:06<grml1>do i need to mount proc or dev to make dhcp?
22:06<Guest3703>i have a question, but I don't know if it is good here
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22:06<Guest3703>you see, the #knoppix channel is empty
22:06<SattamJH>I have some problems with the video card, NVIDIA
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22:07<Guest3703>and the question is about remaster
22:07<babilen>Guest3703: It is #knoppix on
22:07<Guest3703>it is empty
22:07<nyov>ayaka: but it's just a guess, maybe you have problems then when your pppoe is down
22:07<SattamJH>can any body help me with that ?
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22:08<babilen>!tell SattamJH -about nvidia
22:08<babilen>good night!
22:08<cthuluh>Guest3703: I don't know about remaster, but if nobody heads up, you'll have to deal with that later, say tomorrow on #knoppix
22:08<ayaka>nyov, how to check it work, if I /etc/network/interfaces network manger will close
22:08<nyov>good night babilen
22:08<ayaka>nyov, how to check it work, if I use /etc/network/interfaces network manger will close
22:08<Guest3703>thanks cthuluh
22:08<SattamJH>first when I install the OS every thing work with the minimal options
22:09<sney>Guest3703: it's not empty, you're on the wrong server
22:09<SattamJH>and when I install the pre-packaged driver the X11 server hang when startup
22:09<cthuluh>SattamJH: that is cool. but you felt the need to install nvidia drivers
22:09<nyov>ayaka: no I meant that's how it works on my box, put it in your Network Manager in IPv6 settings
22:09<Guest3703>which server is it again
22:09<cthuluh>SattamJH: debian packaged, or nvidia "packaged"?
22:10<cthuluh>!tell Guest3703 -about knoppix
22:10<ayaka>nyov, but how to check if it work
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22:10<SattamJH>both of them
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22:10<SattamJH>the debian package and the source one
22:10<sney>you'll have to be specific
22:11<SattamJH>I follow the steps every time and even edit the xorg.conf file manually
22:11<nyov>ayaka: is your tunnel set up in NM or elsewhere?
22:11<cthuluh>SattamJH: then decide first if the nv or nouveau drivers aren't enough for your needs
22:11<sney>SattamJH: what card is it?
22:11<ayaka>nyov, no,in cmd wait I paste it
22:11<nyov>ayaka: you could try wireshark on your eth0 and check for the DNS packages
22:11<SattamJH>GT 520M
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22:11<cthuluh>nyov: packets ;)
22:11<nyov>cthuluh: right ;)
22:12<nyov>cthuluh: I'd have said the same thing to someone else, doh bad mistake
22:13<reklipz>is it possible to get as a plain text list of uris, without all of the extra metadata?
22:13<cthuluh>ayaka: this looks like a HE tunnel, perhaps you could ask for help in #ipv6 on
22:13<SattamJH>I noticed when I remove every driver ( package and binary) ones the quality and stability better than with the driver
22:14<ayaka>cthuluh, thank you
22:14<cthuluh>reklipz: perhaps will you be interested in netselect, to choose the proper one?
22:14<SattamJH>and more than that there is no xorg.conf file to begin with ( before install the driver and do "nvidia-xconfig")
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22:15<sney>Squeeze has no xorg.conf by default, everything is autodetected
22:15<cthuluh>SattamJH: so is it usable without the nvidia drivers?
22:15<reklipz>cthuluh: that's exactly what I'm trying to do. however, I'm interested in the statistics; netselect-apt only outputs the winning uri, and netselect requires the hosts on the command line, which is fine, but I'd rather grab a list than have to parse html or copy and paste by hand.
22:15<SattamJH>yes but I can't adjust the brightness with the function keys combination
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22:16<SattamJH>only by the power options I can adjust the level
22:16<reklipz>sney: there are configuration snippets by default, I believe, however.
22:16<nyov>ayaka: check your /etc/resolv.conf after you made the changes, check the IPs in there
22:16<cthuluh>reklipz: perhaps is there a plain text list, I don't remember. but either edit the html file in your editor (regexp can help), or use an html parser
22:17<reklipz>cthuluh: whipping up the sed as we speak; thanks
22:17<cthuluh>sed sucks at parsing html. it's not interactive
22:17<SattamJH>and when the screen sleep and I move the mouse the brightness flash one time 100% and return to the level I set with
22:17<nyov>ayaka: it should only have your IPv6 DNS server(s) then
22:17<reklipz>cthuluh: on a hunch, I looked at netselect-apt: it's a shell script: :D
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22:18<reklipz>cthuluh: the structure is completely uniform, and matching in the </td><td ...><...> is simple enough for sed
22:18<SattamJH>every time I stop work for minute or two the screen flash
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22:19<ayaka>nyov, as I know, network manger don't use /etc/resolv.conf and it will make it don't work
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22:19<cthuluh>ayaka: hmm, that would be a *fscking* good reason not to install it by default ;)
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22:20<cthuluh>ayaka: (talking about the thread on the debian-devel@ mailing list)
22:20<SattamJH>thanks dpkg for the link
22:20<ayaka>cthuluh, oh, ubuntu 's wiki take wrong of me ,no problem with it
22:20<nyov>ayaka: strange, it works like that for me - of course you cant change them in there, but my squeeze NM updates them
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22:21<SattamJH>I will study the information in the web site ,, although I tried all the ways I know of
22:21<SattamJH>and also thanks cthuluh for your time :)
22:22<nyov>cthuluh: i second that, netscripts should get some loving
22:22<cthuluh>SattamJH: perhaps other OSes have a better support for it (say, ubuntu?). anyway, this tuff takes a lot of time to debug
22:22<ayaka>nyov, could you tell me how force iceweasel visit a site in ipv6?
22:22<cthuluh>nyov: you're talking about ifupdown?
22:22<SattamJH>I tried ubuntu ,, and openSuse
22:22<SattamJH>same problem
22:23<cthuluh>SattamJH: then perhaps your hardware is too "young"
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22:23<SattamJH>it is
22:23<nyov>cthuluh: nah, the netscript package, but with a gui to make it an easier NM replacement on desktop
22:23<cthuluh>trifolio6: so?
22:23<SattamJH>I bought it three days ago
22:23<cthuluh>nyov: oh, never heard about it
22:24<SattamJH>last question
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22:24<nyov>ayaka: no idea
22:24<SattamJH>is there any template for xorg.conf file
22:24<cthuluh>SattamJH: X -configure :1
22:24<ayaka>nyov, thank you
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22:25<SattamJH>I will try it and back to you
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22:25<SattamJH>one minute
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22:25<trifolio6>ok, now i am in my system. Thanks babilen an cthuluh. Just one think the name of the file is libudev0 not libudeb as tell wrote. i downgraded the 3 debs and it fixed the problem. thanks
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22:27<trifolio6>maybe i must add some lines at the emails talking about the bug
22:27<nyov>good idea g grml/trifolio6
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22:35<reklipz>`echo -e 'a\nb\nc\n' | xargs echo` -- should print 'a' 'b' 'c' on lines of their own, correct?
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22:35<cthuluh>neither echo -e nor xargs are safe tools
22:36<cthuluh>consider /join-ing #bash and reading the guide in the topic
22:36<reklipz>cthuluh: what do you mean safe?
22:37<reklipz>cthuluh: and which guide do you refer to?
22:37<cthuluh>echo -e is specific to the shell you're using, and xargs is broken by design
22:37<cthuluh>ah, also, I meant that you could join the #bash channel on
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22:38<reklipz>luckily, I don't need to be portable, and the shell I'm using does what I want in this case.
22:38<reklipz>however, I would have expected a b c to be on different lines; instead, they are on the same line.
22:38<cthuluh>so you don't understand how xargs works
22:38<ayaka>nevyn, cthuluh thank you both of you
22:39<reklipz>cthuluh: apparently not, no
22:39<trifolio6>i have sended one email to is it correct?
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22:39<trifolio6> i dont see it here
22:40<reklipz>However, this is ok, as this is exactly the behavior I was trying to achieve in the first place. sorry for the off-topic-ness
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22:40<trifolio6>i guess it needs time
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22:40<trifolio6>well, anyway, thanks :)
22:40<sney>trifolio6: yeah, give it a day or so to show up
22:40<cthuluh>reklipz: I'm just hoping you're not writing a configure script for a debian package
22:40<trifolio6>c u arround
22:41<cthuluh>bye, trifolio6. and consider running stable ;)
22:41<reklipz>cthuluh: I simply want to see the statistics provided by netselect that netselect-apt so conveniently chooses to discard.
22:42<cthuluh>ok so no big deal. but consider that writing proper shell scripts is not as "easy" that you might think
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22:42<cthuluh>and if you want to learn, you have the /topic of the channel I told you about
22:42<reklipz>I will; I realize that echo is bash specific, but I didn't know xargs was problematic
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22:43<reklipz>for the lurkers: /topic #bash: --
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22:45<aussa>recommended program to mount cd images?
22:46<cthuluh>mount -o loop
22:46<reklipz>-t iso9660
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22:46<cthuluh>should be autodetected
22:46<reklipz>indeed it should
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22:56<reklipz>cthuluh: I only found one reference to xargs in that guide; did I find the right one?
22:56<reklipz>I found this, though:
22:57<cthuluh>reklipz: that's indeed what I meant
22:58<reklipz>Well good, I feel better now, thanks.
22:59<cthuluh>don't forget to read the bash FAQ ;)
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23:06<aussa>thank you
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23:27<kevn>Is there a program that assembles docs and manpages into a simple gui?
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23:32<cthuluh>kevn: dwww, a web-based front-end, but I heard that stuff like konqueror handled it well too
23:32<cthuluh>(emacs, also...)
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23:48<kevn>cthuluh: I'm trying to run dwww, but I keep getting a connection refused. I turned off the firewall but the error still came up
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23:51<cthuluh>kevn: the default setup allows you to run it only from localhost
23:52<kevn>Yeah, on the config, I had changed the server to localhost on port 81, but nothing
23:53<nyov>does dwww want a webserver to read the docs?
23:53<nyov>then you have a webserver?
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23:55<kevn>no, i didn't see any option for that on the config so I assume it was already defaulted to debian docs
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23:55<cthuluh>dwww requires a www server, afaik
23:55<cthuluh>so you should have one installed
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23:57<nyov>actually I only know of apache serving those dirs by default, otherwise I'd suggested nginx. but not sure if it is configured for that by default
23:58<reklipz> -- I've noticed this issue exists in Squeeze as well; is there a way to make this work?
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