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00:20<planet8>Damn KDE4 is ugly when viewed through vnc on Squeeze!
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00:23<planet8>What the hell happened? I'll have to switch the vnc server machine back to lenny.
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01:09<sombunall>I'm trying to compile mplayer on squeeze and make says "'AVCodecContext' has no member named 'hurry up'" and "[libmpcodecs/vd_ffmpeg.o] Error 1". i have the ffmpeg package installed and the dependencies on the site. I'm also new to compiling.
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01:14<sombunall>is it stupid to use stable on my main machine? should I be using testing? will that make xine and mplayer more stable?
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01:15<sombunall>xine locks up and freezes whenever I try to change the number of speakers taking down all other applications while mplayer crashes when you click to change chapters
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01:19<sombunall>nobody has any advice?
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01:24<sombunall>guess I'm a shmuck
01:26<nyov>sombunall: maybe you want to try debian-multimedia packages
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01:27<sombunall>I did but then VLC forum said it was a really bad idea (TM) so I removed the repo and un-did what I installed
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01:27<sombunall>VLC forum said it was full of broken codecs and such
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01:30<nyov>then file bugreports or see if they are already fixed and check for backports. nothing else comes to mind
01:33<nyov>sombunall: do you try to compile mplayer from the source package?
01:33<sombunall>yes the SBN checkout
01:34<nyov>no, I meant the debian source package, with apt-get/aptitude
01:34<sombunall>no, wouldn't I just get the same version from source that I get from binary?
01:35<sombunall>or do i point the deb-src to sid? I don't know if its smart
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01:38<nyov>can't be worse than upstream, but dependecies might mismatch
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01:40<sombunall>the most stable one is vlc. did you ever use LADSPA effects processing with .asoundrc and VLC?
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01:42<sombunall>I'm trying to use .asoundrc to crossover my LFE subwoofer at 60hz .. if I could only find that site again...
01:43<sombunall>found it maybe just maybe
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01:51<sombunall>nope I don't know how that guy got it to work with that .asoundrc and LADSPA. mplayer only give me the 2 front channels
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01:52<sombunall>with the multimedia repo I got it working with jack audio but without it the jack only give me 2 front channels. darn.
01:53<sombunall>it's like WODIM all over again :( conflicts of interest
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01:59<sombunall>well tomorrow is another day of trying to hack in my surround sound. thanks nyov bye
02:01<nyov>have fun
02:01<sombunall>yeah I guess that's the point when you're trying to hack in a software LFE crossover :)
02:02<Zaba>hmm.. is it normal that I have no mail report from the deily cron jobs?
02:03<sombunall>Zaba I only remember getting them in openbsd
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02:46<jla>I've got a system that I'd like to upgrade and repurpose into the host for kvm and lxc. I'm looking for a lenny "base install" package list.
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02:49<cahoot>why not squeeze?
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02:49<jla>it will be after upgrading. I wanted to clean before downloading stuff I'm just going to uninstall
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02:50<jla>if I can set selections from a squeeze list, sure I'll try that
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02:54<Parsifal>jla: aptitude purge '~poptional|~pextra' should do what you want
02:54<Parsifal>That will purge any packages with a priority of optional or extra
02:54<Parsifal>You can add |~pstandard if you want a really minimal install (i.e. only required and important packages)
02:54<Parsifal>Or use remove instead of purge if you want to keep config files
02:55<jla>Parsifal: very nice. I have yet to get my head around the ~ search flags of aptitude.
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02:55<Parsifal>jla: I find this page helpful, when in doubt:
02:56<jla>tyvm. the lenght of the table shows why there would be doubts :)
02:59<Parsifal>jla: I actually think the kernel has a priority of optional, so you'll want to sanity check what aptitude is going to do before doing it, which is a good idea in any case :)
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03:00<jla>ya, when I saw that in the list I put the brakes on :)
03:00<jla>now I'm sorting out what kind of cpu is in this thing, if it is x64 supported (lm) and any vxstuff
03:02<dutchfish>hi, are there any docs how to config libpam-mount for an iscsi-initiator i.e. usermount them and unmount them on logout?
03:03<dutchfish>in special the use of ssl-keys for the iscsi connection through libpam-mount
03:04<jla>looks like x64 and only lxc, no hvm
03:05<jla>i was going to suggest checking autofs before you said that. I've felt like i'm wandering in the dark when tweaking pam. need more howtos :)
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03:10<dutchfish>jla, true
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03:35<ashley>hey everyone!
03:36<ashley>I have a question
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03:37<ashley>Anyone know how to make a bootable usb from debian?
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03:37<Lethalman>ashley, check debian-live
03:37<ashley>I'm running debian right now
03:37<ashley>and I have a .iso containing win7
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03:38<ashley>you gave me a dead link
03:38<ashley>lol wut?
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03:39<ashley>It's probably not possible, huh?
03:39<jla>the link given shows how to make a bootable usb from debian. everything else you said was rather confusing
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03:40<ashley>Okay, I'm here right now. I'm only seeing how to boot Linux via USB.
03:40<ashley>I want to put my .iso file containing Windows 7 on a USB drive to boot to a different computer.
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03:41<jla>how big is the image and why not burn the iso to a cd or dvd?
03:41<ashley>I only have 800mb cdrws laying around
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03:42<dutchfish>ashley, you want to virtualize a running instance (bootable) from windows 7 OR a way to boot in windows install image inside linux OR boot an image pur sang?
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03:42<jla>and you have a 4gb usb drive, or when you say "usb" you meant usb disk and not the jump drive we all jumped to the conclusion of
03:42<ashley>I have an 8gb flash drive that goes on a keychain or something like that.
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03:43<ashley>Okay, hold on. Let me try to explain
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03:43<ashley>I run Debian on my computer. This is my girlfriend's computer.
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03:43<ashley>The HD failed so I installed a new one. I have Debian on it now. I also have a win7 .iso file that I'd like to load on this exact computer.
03:44<dutchfish>ashley, solution: dual boot (install win7 first)
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03:44<dutchfish>ashley, backup your curent debian first if needed
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03:45<dutchfish>ashley, 1. reinstall windows 2. install debian
03:45<ashley>lol dutch
03:45<ashley>I can't even install windows to begin with
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03:46<ashley>I'm so illiterate when it comes to linux
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03:46<dutchfish>ashley, have you made full backups before the hd died?
03:46<dutchfish>well then
03:46<ashley>hold on
03:46-!-ashley is now known as Cameron
03:46<Cameron>It's my girlfriend's.
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03:46<Cameron>This is the question that I have
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03:46<Cameron>I have the .iso for win7. I have the setup.exe file
03:47<Cameron>I have wine
03:47<Cameron>I can't get it to work
03:47<Cameron>do I have to mount it first?
03:47<Cameron>and if so, how?
03:47<dutchfish>Cameron, in short, you cant
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03:47<dutchfish>(not this way)
03:48<Cameron>what do I have to do?
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03:48<dutchfish>Cameron, make a bootable cd/dvd/whatever for your win, and install that first
03:48<Cameron>can I use my flash drive?
03:48<Cameron>my 8gb?
03:49<jla>Linux installers are pretty flexible, I don't mess with Windows stuff. What I buy is on media already. I also recommend getting a writable dvd.
03:49<dutchfish>Cameron, you prolly want to look at winPE or bart's PE (but thats offtopic in here)
03:50<dutchfish>Cameron, too make it simple, burn that iso and boot from that
03:50<Cameron>can I put it on my usb jump drive?
03:50<Cameron>that's really all I want to know
03:50<dutchfish>(unless you have a PXE server in your lan)
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03:50<dutchfish>Cameron, nope
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03:51<Cameron>Thanks guys.
03:51<EmleyMoor>Cameron: Why can you not do it to a DVD? Shortage of media or some other reason?
03:51<Cameron>I just don't have one handy and would like to do it now, lol.
03:51<dutchfish>Cameron, don't torture yourself with that ;)
03:52<Cameron>I'll have to go do it
03:52<Cameron>go get one
03:52<Cameron>thanks everyone. just so you know, I'm keeping debian on my PC so <333 :D
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03:53<demooriaan>search google for windows usb installation, first hit
03:54<dutchfish>demooriaan, you need iwndows already running for that;)
03:54<Cameron>ty guys off to the store :D
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03:55<dutchfish>demooriaan, fyi win PE can do that to
03:56<demooriaan>pe or barts
03:56<demooriaan>years old stuff
03:56<dutchfish>anyway i think its not worth the trouble/time for a one time install
03:57<demooriaan>no, get dvd-r(w) and run
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03:57*dutchfish nods
03:57<EmleyMoor>... as far away as possible <g>
03:58<demooriaan>else unp iso, co to usb, and mk bootable
03:58<tzafrir>I had to reboot today, and now I can't seem to have a keyboard on X
03:59*EmleyMoor has three things on USB sticks he wouldn't be without... Debian squeeze installer, Ultimate Boot CD (includes Parted Magic) and grml64
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03:59<tzafrir>when I run from the console 'xinit -- :1' I see on the console an error from xkbcomp regarding 'lyxtest' missing from the keyboard mapping
04:00<dutchfish>EmleyMoor, g4l too ....
04:00<tzafrir>This is a non-standard mapping option I added in various places (including /etc/default/keyboard )
04:00<tzafrir>But a quick grep can't see it anywhere under /etc/ now
04:00<EmleyMoor>g4l? Hmmm... looks interesting...
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04:01<tzafrir>any idea where else I should look for a keyboard mapping string?
04:03<tzafrir>If I run 'xinit /usr/bin/xterm -e xev -- :1' I can see that the keys are pressed, but they don't seem to be mapped (NoSymbol)
04:07<jla>well if the console is fine, reconfiguring console-data prob won't help. I'd look for xkb folders, and maybe the issue is in the specific user? maybe create a test account and log into it - or do you have no keyboard at kdm/gdm greeter?
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04:15*EmleyMoor will allocato a stick for g4l as soon as he has one to spare
04:15<tzafrir>jla: just the same with a test user
04:16<dutchfish>EmleyMoor, ;)
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04:19<jla>tzafrir: darn, well that was a long shot. I don't know where all the configs are, it seems they should be in /etc. you could try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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04:20<tzafrir>jla: already done that
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04:21<jla>:( my system just has the /etc/default/keyboard setting, and it's pretty default. /etc/X11/xkb is empty. maybe something is cached in /var since you dont find it in /etc
04:21<tzafrir>Where in /var ?
04:22<jla>not sure, just guessing. it could be /var/cache or /var/lib, if at all.
04:22<tzafrir>Nothing under /var/cache seems relevant. /var/lib/xkb is empty
04:24<jla>my /var/lib/xkb has afew binary xkm files
04:24<tzafrir>well, going for a big grep -r
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04:25<tzafrir>Is it possible that the caching is done by udev?
04:26<jla>never looked into it, sorry, but that sounds odd
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04:49<tzafrir>Nothing under /var/cache . Checking under /var/lib
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04:53<tzafrir>Not under /var/lib either
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06:09<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to install Inform for GNOME on squeeze amd64?
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06:12<ganesh>which is the good way to install gnome3 in squeeze
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06:12<cahoot>is it even available in sid?
06:13<ganesh>gno3 is available in experimental packages i think
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06:30<Golfgeo>Hi all
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06:31<lord_rob>Hi ! I'm completly lost :( No DNS resolution ! I came here with dig @dns IP. I Suspect something like network-manager or another thing that manages DNS automatically ... Weren't there problems like mine reported on the BTS ? (I can't google currently except on Windows and rebooting constantly is painful)
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06:32<Golfgeo>Need a small reminder people... Next to MySql there is another great DB system, but what is it's name?
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06:32<lord_rob>I suspect avahi too but can't try uninstalling it because of the number of packages depending on it
06:33<nevyn>Golfgeo: postgres ?
06:34<nevyn>Golfgeo: oracle, sql server, ingress?
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06:34<Golfgeo>nevyn, I think so, not sure... hmm... been to long outof the DB game to remember... Well, the cold I have isn't helping too haha
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06:34<Golfgeo>Postgre, must be it
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06:34<Golfgeo>Thanks people :-)
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06:36<lord_rob>is it possible network-base to be broken ?
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06:37<Sami345>How to install a package with recommedations?
06:37<nevyn>lord_rob: are you running testing?
06:37<lord_rob>it's set by default in aptitude, isn't it ?
06:37<lord_rob>nevyn: unstable
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06:38<Sami345>ah --install-recommends
06:38<Sami345>found from man pages
06:38<Sami345>but now how do I close a man page
06:40<lord_rob>nevyn: I could check that but it's the *most* important package in Linux
06:40<nevyn>lord_rob: network-base.. hardly .
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06:42<lord_rob>isn't that package responsible for dns resolution etc ?
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06:44<lord_rob>I tried running an older kernel, same problem
06:45*EmleyMoor appears to be getting somewhere with inform7 at last
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06:46<Marcel>Why is the site boned?
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06:47<cahoot>delicate choice of words
06:47<Marcel>its not loading from the front page when going to
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06:49<_krash>anyone experiencing problems with gnumeric in squeeze?
06:49<EmleyMoor>Marcel: Seems "boneless" here.
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06:49<Marcel>it loads for you?
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06:50<Marcel>mental. it won't work for me or my friend
06:50<_krash>to me it seems quite unstable, several Segmentation Fauts :(
06:50<Marcel>same ISP though
06:50<cahoot>empty the browser cache?
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06:51<EmleyMoor>_krash: Rarely use it - prefer oocalc
06:52*EmleyMoor now has gnome-inform7 installed but it crashes...
06:52<Marcel>perfect. works perfectly now.
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07:35<juded>salut a tous
07:35<juded>j'ai une petite question
07:35<juded>savez vous si sid est devenu plus ou moins stable
07:36<juded>je m'explique
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07:36<juded>il y a 3 semaines l'upgrade en sid rendait ma machine completement instable
07:36<ayaka>judd, what is your language?
07:37<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
07:37<ayaka>judd, you're welcome
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07:52<dpkg>somebody said turkish was #turklug, or trke yardm iin
07:54<ufuk_uyumaz>hi there , i downloaded firefox4 (firefox-4.0.1.tar.bz2) how i can install it ?
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07:55<ayaka>ufuk_uyumaz, unpack it
07:55<abrotman>ufuk_uyumaz: what's wrong with using iceweasel?
07:56<ufuk_uyumaz>abrotman nothing but i want to try firefox4 :)
07:56<ufuk_uyumaz>ayaka: and ?
07:58<ayaka>ufuk_uyumaz, put them to /usr/local/ , exceable files to /usr/local/bin
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07:59<ayaka>ufuk_uyumaz, lib flies to /usr/local/lib32 , I don't if you down the x86 version
07:59<abrotman>he should really use the ...
07:59<cthuluh>there's a way to get iceweasel 4 on debian, packaged, with dependancies met
07:59<cthuluh>why mess around with a tar.gz?
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08:00<abrotman>because you don't know any better ...
08:00<ayaka>I'm sorry to do
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08:13<ufuk_uyumaz>thanks people it works now :)
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08:17<mr2k>hello everyone! I'm about to install Debian Wheezy and have a question regarding packages. Is it possible to install a package from Squeeze in Wheezy or will this break my system? :)
08:17<movl>mr2k: why do you want a package from squeeze?
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08:19<mr2k>movl: Well, Spotify is the only package I can think of right now and they say that it is for Debian Squeeze. My searching through forums/docs at Debian has yet to tell me what happens if I install package ment for Squeeze or add a repo ment for squeeze
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08:21<mr2k>Thinking twice, I believe that nothing will happen - as Squeeze and Wheezy essentially are the same distros but with different packages. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this will imply that I can install what I want from where I want. (Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid)
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08:22<movl>mr2k: you are wrong
08:22<movl>in time, you will encounter incompatibilities
08:23<movl>installing an app or two might work, but more is asking for disaster
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08:24<mr2k>movl: Ok. Good to know. The apps I am interesting in won't install any extra libraries or anything (Skype/Spotify), will they still interfer? (Or am I missing the big picture repo-wise?)
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08:25<abrotman>we have no idea .. they're not part of Debian
08:25<movl>mr2k: I had skype installed and it worked
08:25<movl>no idea about spotify
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08:25<mr2k>movl: Sweet. Guess I'll just give it a go - thanks for helping :)
08:26<movl>don't mention it
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08:47<qwert>hi, is there a testing usb-hdd installter image?
08:48<ayaka>qwert, you can do it youself
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08:49<qwert>I tried to, using "lb" but it doesn't work for some reason (but it works with iso)
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08:51<ayaka>qwert, why not use dd?
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08:52<ironm>qwert, dd if=hybrid.iso of=/dev/sd<ID_of_your_usb_stick>
08:52<qwert>ayaka, like "dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdx"? I think I tried this already but it didn't boot
08:52<qwert>but I can try again
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08:52<ironm>qwert, you need a hybrid iso image
08:52<ayaka>qwert, do you bios support boot from usb-hdd?
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08:53<abrotman>ironm: they're all hybrid now
08:53<qwert>ayaka, yes
08:53<ayaka>ironm, as I know, no need, I install my debian in this way
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08:53<ironm>abrotman, I am not sure if CentOS use also hybrid .iso images
08:54<qwert>so is a hybrid iso?
08:54<ironm>ayaka, yes .. I have used it yesterday (put the rist dvd-iso image to an usb stick and booted from it)
08:55<ironm>s/rist/first /
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08:58<ironm>qwert, I guess it is a hybrid
08:59<abrotman>i said that ...
09:01<qwert>ironm, it shows the boot menu, but it resaults in kernel panic...
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09:11<qwert>another try: is there a testing-netinstall image with nonfree firmware?
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09:14<code>any one from egypt
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09:17<ayaka>qwert, may be you can try usb-cdrom way, always is the best way
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09:17<abrotman>qwert: there is a stable with firmware
09:17<abrotman>!firmware images
09:17<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from . See also <install debian>.
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09:32<figaccio>hey guys, having an issue with hdmi audio out with a RealTek ALC888 codec
09:32<figaccio>no sound output - analog sound works well
09:32<figaccio>any idea?
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09:39<ayaka>figaccio, do you open output in bios?
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09:54<mrjax1978>hi, where is used .xinitrc, and where .xsession?
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09:55<iomega># /msg nomebot xdcc list
09:56<abrotman>no thanks
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09:56<chris56>hola a todos
09:57<chris56>hola desde Spain
09:57<mrjax1978>where from?
09:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:57<abrotman>english in this channel
09:57<chris56>¿ alguién conoce a alguién?
09:58<mrjax1978>in English please
09:59<iomega>hi everybody from italy can someone expain me how to get the pack. boot list thanks
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09:59<mrjax1978>what do you mean by pack, boot list?
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10:01<iomega>i mean the list of servers from where i can get films...thanks
10:01<ichdasich>iomega: films?
10:01<mrjax1978>what films? this is a debian channel
10:02<themill>iomega: you're in the wrong place for that sort of material. You won't even find it on this irc network.
10:02<ichdasich>iomega: give a try. if that doesn't work, use ::1. -.-
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10:05<PIrr>I hacked localhost... :D
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10:09<bykar>hi, nach update von lennny -> squeeze gibts in /dev kein sda, sdb mehr? Boote mit lilo, das softraid geht
10:10<babilen>bykar: Versuchs mal in oder sprich English hier :)
10:10<bykar>ok, sorry
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10:20<darius>does anybody know what happend to
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10:20<babilen>darius: Try :)
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10:21<babilen>darius: backports are now officially part of Debian
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10:23<darius>babilen, thanks
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10:36<kuhkatz>i try to install postfix and i keep getting "postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Permission denied". hwo can i fix this?
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11:07<user01>hey ever since i upgraded to squeeze, my gnome panel randomly does or doesnt appear on boot up (i have to kill gnome-panel to get it back on times it doesnt) anything thoughts for a solution?
11:07<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to get gnome-inform7 to work on squeeze amd64?
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11:12<babilen>EmleyMoor: Package it yourself. You can probably just fork their i386 package and compile it for amd64 -- has details. Good luck!
11:14<babilen>user01: Could you try it with a new user in order to pin-point the error?
11:15<user01>babilen, i could create a new user, yes . . . though id have to sign out of chat etc
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11:16<babilen>user01: Please do that. If that helps we can be sure that the problem is with your configuration and not with the system itself. You followed the release notes for the upgrade and completed it without problems, didn't you?
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11:18<user01>babilen, ok ill login as another user, one sec
11:18<babilen>EmleyMoor: Also take a look at -- You might just be able to compile the it as it is. Another apporach would be to just get their sources, compile them manually and install it to /usr/local -- Use stow to simplify that (/msg dpkg stow ; /msg dpkg stow usage) -- I would personally prefer the /usr/local approach as you can't be sure how well it is packaged.
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11:20<babilen>test: And?
11:20<test>babilen, menu shows up in this test account
11:20<EmleyMoor>babilen: I can't see how it's forkable from - though I'll have a look...
11:21<EmleyMoor>Compile as is = crash every run
11:21<test>babilen, what does it mean?
11:21<EmleyMoor>I use xstow anywaay
11:21<babilen>test: Wonderful! So there is a problem with your configuration. You can probably mv all ~/.gnome* somewhere else and migrate specific settings ...
11:22<babilen>EmleyMoor: Sorry, I can't support their software, just wanted to share my thoughts on how to get that software working/installed.
11:22<babilen>EmleyMoor: Good choice :)
11:22<test>babilen, ok then
11:22<test>babilen, thanks
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11:23<babilen>test: That might take a while, but it is hard to figure out what the exact setting is that is misbehaving. Do you have relevant errors in ~/.xsession-errors (for the original user) ?
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11:23<babilen>grmpf, /me should have been faster
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11:27<user01>babilen, i see a .gnome, .gnome2, and a .gnome_private . . . move all those?
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11:28<babilen>user01: Yes -- But lets try a little more debugging first. Do you have any relevant errors in ~/.xsession-errors? (You could just paste the complete file to -- "pastebinit -b ~/.xsession-errors)
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11:29<babilen>user01: But moving those somewhere else will do the trick. You'll lose all your configuration though and it might take a while to get it all back. Might be a good idea to start fresh, but *shrug* who knows :)
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11:29<ayaka>I want to know about xorg.conf.d, I have readed man page, but I still don' t somthing
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11:30<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
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11:30<ayaka>If I use nvidia non-free driver, whether I need xorg.cong
11:31<ayaka>babilen, thank you, I have ask dpkg third times
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11:31<ayaka>babilen, thank you, I have ask dpkg there times
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11:31<babilen>ayaka: it is just a directory from which configuration files/snippets will be loaded. Xorg configures itself automatically, but you might want to set specific options for some devices. xorg.conf.d lets you split your xorg.conf into multiple specific files.
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11:31<babilen>!nvidia dkms
11:31<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
11:32<babilen>ayaka: The " mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" should be all you need to get nvidia running.
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11:32<Hauska>hi all
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11:33<Hauska>My max screen resolution is 800x600, I got a SiS card...
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11:33<ayaka>babilen, I'm sorry, because I lose the chat log, so I do the run way~~
11:33<babilen>run way?
11:33<Hauska>been surfing the net, but don't know how to fix it (lets say, to be able to use 1280x)
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11:33<babilen>ayaka: You mean you installed the driver directly from
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11:33<Hauska>how ca I tel xorg to use the "sis"?
11:33<ayaka>Hauska, you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:34<ayaka>babilen, I'm sorry ,yes
11:34<ayaka>Hauska, in that config, driver section
11:34<Hauska>ayaka: change it to what?
11:34<babilen>ayaka: That was not really a good idea and that driver is *not* supported by Debian. Ask #nvidia how to remove it and follow the instructions in the <nvidia dkms> factoid to install it the Debian-Way™
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11:35<Hauska>hey, I don't have such a fine xorg.conf
11:35<Hauska>how to reconfigure xorg?
11:35<ayaka>Hauska, please tell paste your xorg.conf
11:35<Hauska>I want to use the SiS driver...
11:35<Hauska>I got no /etc/X11/xorg.conf...
11:35<sney>by default there is no xorg.conf and this is normal
11:36<sney>if you really want one, you can generate it with X -configure :1
11:36<sney>but in most cases it's not needed
11:36<ayaka>babilen, I'm sorry, can you give me a page, which said how to do in debian
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11:36<sney>ayaka: you'll probably need to reinstall X too, the nvidia driver breaks it on removal :/
11:36<Hauska>how can I reconfigure xorg? to tell it to use the SiS?
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11:37<ayaka>babilen, if you don't mind , send your log
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11:37<ayaka>Hauska, may be dpkg-reconfigure
11:37<babilen>Hauska: See for configuration details. Create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and place a 20-sis.conf file in there with a suitable "Device" section -- echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "sis"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-sis.conf -- might just do the trick.
11:38<ayaka>sney, are your joking, so hard
11:38<sney>!why nvidia installer sucks
11:38<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>.
11:38<babilen>user01: ta!
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11:39<ayaka>sney, is it the only way~I'm affair
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11:40<sney>ayaka: how new is your nvidia card? what model is it?
11:40<babilen>user01: Hmm, that doesn't really help. I would start new
11:40<ayaka>sney, quadro fx 380(2009)
11:40<Hauska>are u sure there is no easier way of doing this?
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11:41<user01>babilen, a new . . . .gnome?
11:41<ayaka>sney, I should use the test driver in debian, but I forget how to
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11:41<babilen>Hauska: Isn't my approach quite easy? -- mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "sis"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-sis.conf -- done
11:41<sney>Hauska: what reason do you have to think that it isn't using the SiS driver already?
11:42<babilen>user01: No, I mean just move your configuration files (~/.gnome*) somewhere else and start with a fresh configuration.
11:42<Hauska>I can only use 800x600 res!
11:42<sney>ayaka: I'll tell dpkg to send you the instructions
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11:42<sney>!tell ayaka about nvidia dkms
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11:43<babilen>Hauska: That is a completely different issue -- Please run "xrandr -q" and paste the output along with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to
11:43<sney>ayaka: the stuff in quotes is commands, you can just copy and paste into a terminal
11:43<ayaka>sney, thank you, but I need 260.xx driver
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11:43<sney>ayaka: what makes you think that?
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11:44<ayaka>sney, nvidia dkms-173xx is too old
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11:44<Hauska>hey its me
11:44<user01>babilen, btw how to i restart x now? i used to just to ctrl + alt + backspace but that seems disabled now
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11:45<babilen>user01: You can enable that, but lets do that in a second. Easiest way is probably to switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) and run "service gdm3 restart" (if you use gdm3 -- replace it with whatever you are using)
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11:46<babilen>user01: In order to get enable the ctrl - alt - bkpsc zapping you have to run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and enable it. (basically just XKBOPTIONS="...,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,..." in /etc/default/keyboard
11:47<sney>ayaka: I know your english isn't very good, but please read the dpkg response more carefully. 173 and 96 are the "legacy" drivers. if you use the regular nvidia dkms method, it uses 195.xx which does support your card.
11:47<sney>ayaka: see if you don't believe me.
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11:47<hauska2>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
11:47<hauska2>Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600
11:47<hauska2>default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm
11:47<hauska2> 800x600 61.0*
11:47<hauska2> 640x480 60.0
11:47<sney>careful pasting things to the channel, debhelper will kick you
11:47<Hauska>I know..
11:48<Hauska>well... so that's the thing... I can only use 640x, and 800x ... anoying.
11:48<sney>I think I remember you. were you the guy who was setting this computer up for a family with a kid?
11:50<sney>yeah, you
11:50<user01>babilen, mmm how do i see what service it is? gdm3 failed
11:50<Hauska>no I am not.
11:50<sney>there was someone who had this exact same sis problem
11:50<sney>I'm thinking it's an issue with the driver
11:50<Hauska>well, so here you got another one...
11:50<sney>maybe has something
11:51<babilen>user01: try "gdm" "kdm" and "xdm" :)
11:51<ayaka>sney, but I want to use experientisl deb ~because I should do some work with the feature of new driver~~
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11:51<sney>ayaka: well, you need a lot of help just getting the normal one working. are you sure that's a good idea?
11:52<sney>ayaka: we won't hold your hand for unstable/experimental
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11:52<ayaka>sney, so sure, the normal one I have know before, I'm sure I want to take it~~
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11:54<Hauska>babilen: can u help me? could u see my paste?
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11:55<sney>Hauska: does this look familiar? check his Xorg.0.log
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11:56<babilen>Hauska: Sorry, busy over at freenode ... sney is a wonderful helper though and I'm sure you'll figure it out together.
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11:57<user01>babilen, should i be running gdm3 instead? it is running just gdm
11:57<Hauska>man, no idea what u talking about
11:57<Hauska>I just can not use higher resolutions
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11:57<Hauska>is very anoying
11:58<babilen>user01: It is fine, the default in squeeze is gdm3, but you can stay with gdm for the time being
11:58<Golfgeo>Hi all
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11:58<sney>Hauska: when X runs it generates a log, which it puts in /var/log/Xorg.o.log . can you paste yours?
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11:59<sney>hi Golfgeo
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11:59<Hauska>I did
11:59<hauska2>is here
11:59<sney>sorry, I must have missed it
11:59<Golfgeo>got another (silly) question: in ip subnetting there are two way's of subnetting (deviding the network), by deviding the range in two parts or by deviding them unequally... the fist is an old method and the second is the current one... but... what are the names of both types?
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12:00<sney>Golfgeo: I have no idea, sorry
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12:00<Golfgeo>sney, that oke, perhaps someone else might know :-)
12:02<nyov>Golfgeo: you mean CIDR?
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12:02<sney>Hauska: I think it is a driver issue. how do you feel about submitting a bug report?
12:03<Golfgeo>nyov, looked it up and YES :-D
12:03<sney>the log shows it detects the 1024x768 mode and then it just throws it out
12:03<Hauska>I just wanted to install debian in my girlfriend computer
12:03<Golfgeo>nyov now to find the other onces name :D
12:03<Hauska>and I have to leave tomorrow no way I meet her till 2 months
12:03<Hauska>so I would like to fix this today.
12:03<nyov>Golfgeo: it's only classfull and classless
12:04<Hauska>but no one seems to know what to do...
12:04<sney>when it's a configuration issue we can usually help in just half an hour or so, but this really looks like a software bug.
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12:05<Golfgeo>nyov: classfull and classless, hmm... now to make sure I've got it right :-) Thanks mate :-)
12:05<sney>does it have a pci-e or agp slot? maybe you can just put in a different gpu. anything should be fine so long as it's not sis
12:05<hauska2>its a laptop...
12:06<sney>ok, there's one thing you can try, but I'm not expecting it to work
12:06<sney>do X -configure :1 to generate an xorg.conf
12:07<Hauska>let's see
12:07<sney>when that's done open it up in a text editor of your choice
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12:08<Hauska>that reported an error
12:08<Hauska>and Aborted
12:08<Hauska>let me see
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12:08<_krash>couldnt you force a certain resolution via xorg.conf, or isnt it an autodetection issue?
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12:09<sney>_krash: that's where we're going with this, but I don't think it'll work
12:09<Hauska>how to generate that file?
12:09<sney>X -configure :1
12:09<Hauska>that command reported an error and didn't generate anything
12:09<Hauska>from outside the X?
12:09<gernot>Hi. I was just about to install Debian on a Macbook but the installer boot menu is frozen as soon as it shows up. The md5sums (on the 2 CDs that I burned) all pass. Ideas?
12:09<sney>:1 should make it work even if you are in X
12:10<sney>but if you exit out of X you can just run X -configure
12:10<hauska2>0: X (xorg_backtrace+0x28) [0x4acd58]
12:10<hauska2>1: X (0x400000+0x61a09) [0x461a09]
12:10<hauska2>2: /lib/ (0x7f8b6daf6000+0xef60) [0x7f8b6db04f60]
12:10<hauska2>Segmentation fault at address (nil)
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12:10<Hauska>u see?
12:10<Hauska>segmentation fault.
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12:11<nyov>Golfgeo: ok a bit more specific, as i recall, first you had Class A/B/C type fixed subnets, then came Variable length subnet masking/VLSM and then CIDR-supernetting. but go look it up ;)
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12:13<armani>is there a way to set the colour in bash to a different colour? specifically the typing text?
12:13<sney>Hauska: I'll throw one together for you to save time. what does lspci |grep -i vga give you?
12:14<Hauska>that I have the SiS card... I told you...+
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12:15<sney>Hauska: you were telling babilen before, I didn't catch all of those links, just humor moe
12:15<mrjax1978>armani in xterm, console, ....?
12:15<Hauska>SiS 771/671
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12:16<sney>Hauska: specifically I'm looking for the first few characters on the line, some numbers/letters and a :
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12:17<armani>mrjax1978, console, i edited the .bashrc file but that only changes the user@host colours and the colours for the results of commands like ls,.
12:18<armani>side note, is it possible to change the default colours that linux boots up in?
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12:19<sney>Hauska: try using that.
12:19<sney>just stick it in /etc/X11 as xorg.conf
12:20<Sami345>Hauska, are you from Finland :D
12:20<sney>if not, I might have one more thing
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12:21<Hauska>Sami345, half-half....
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12:21<Hauska>Sami, I guess u are...
12:21<Sami345>atleast you finnish ISP
12:21<Sami345>*you have
12:21<Sami345>Yes, I am
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12:22<Hauska>where u from exactly?
12:22<Sami345>near Helsinki
12:22<Hauska>sney, how to use that file? I got no xorg.conf...
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12:22<Hauska>ok, I am in Pihlajisto ATM. but leaving tomorrow.
12:22<sney>Hauska: make an empty text file and paste that in
12:22<Hauska>olet perusuomalainen?
12:23<Hauska>and then reboot?
12:23<sney>restart X at least
12:23<sney>if it doesn't work, rename it or move it somewhere
12:23<nyov>Hauska: name it /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:24<Hauska>Sami345: :)
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12:27<Hauska>ok let's see...
12:27<sney>I hope it works, but I'm expecting "no screens found" and then we get to try fbdev
12:28<Hauska>gsm does not start...
12:28<Hauska>a corsor blinks in the top left corner....
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12:29<Hauska>what the fuck, I cant even use console screens...
12:30<sney>reboot to recovery mode and move/rename the file so it goes back to autodetect
12:30<Hauska>what if I install Ubuntu?
12:30<sney>you will probably have the same resolution problem. ubuntu is just a derivative of debian and I don't think they did any serious modifications to how X detects graphics hardware.
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12:31<Hauska>this is ridiculous.
12:31<sney>we do have one other option suggested by someone in the offtopic channel that bypasses the sis driver completely, it seems promising
12:31<Hauska>tell me...
12:31<sney>yes, I agree, just because hardly anything has sis graphics anymore doesn't mean they should give up supporting it
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12:32<Hauska>same problem with the r8168 driver...
12:32<Hauska>I can't believe its 2011...
12:32<nyov>Hauska: i recall having had taht problem some long time ago, I think i fixed it by reducing depth to 16bit (same as in that xorg.conf that got pasted)
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12:33<sney>first, make sure your system has the file /dev/fb0. then edit that xorg.conf file I provided so the Driver line reads "fbdev" instead of "sis"
12:33<nyov>VESA mem might be too low
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12:33<sney>nyov: it's a bug in the sis driver, I'm 99% certain. It detects vesa modes up to 1024x768 and then just throws them out and drops down to 800x600.
12:34<Hauska>ok got to disconnect see u later maybe
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12:34<sney>Hauska: blame the laptop company, they're the one who decided to use crap chips
12:34<sney>good luck
12:34<Hauska>thanks for your help
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12:34<nyov>sney: set the depth to lower, it has not enough mem to display it at 24bits
12:35<sney>nyov: it is set for 16 bit like you said! what are you talking about
12:35<sney>maybe he should use 256 colours :P
12:35<nyov>sney: but the config didn't load. i suspect it's still an error in that config, strip it down
12:35<nyov>my 2 cents
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12:36<sney>well, when he comes back, if you want to give it a shot go ahead because I likely won't be here. but we've seen this with the sis driver before.
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12:37<me1988>is there a more straightforward way to sandbox a browser than chrooting?
12:37<sney>those integrated sis chips use shared system memory anyway, so it's probably using at least 16M of that... slow, and tiny by modern standards, but certainly enough for 10x7
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12:43<EmleyMoor>Trying to build gnome-inform7 from trunk, Debian way, failing with output as found here:
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12:45<daemonkeeper>Where did you get this package from?
12:46<daemonkeeper>This does not look like anything usable.
12:46<sney>it's ubuntu stuff
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12:46<EmleyMoor>It's from
12:46<sney>I tried building something related at one point, the tangle of ubuntu dependencies is just too much. using ubuntu's gnome on debian would require basically building the whole thing
12:47<EmleyMoor>It does look a bit overly ubuntish to me, too...
12:47<daemonkeeper>Try to compile it yourself, the package seems screwed up
12:47<sney>see lines 43 and 44
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12:49<EmleyMoor>The presence of the word "ubuntu" is not encouraging, but not necessarily a no-no
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12:50<sney>well, it certainly suggests that debian/rules may have some inappropriate stuff in it, to say the least
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12:51*EmleyMoor tried a self-build at one point before and it was an "always-crash" - will try again from trunk and see how it goes
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12:52<EmleyMoor>Only "for Debian" package they have is for lenny/i386
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12:55<EmleyMoor>Yes, it's crashed again - would pastebinning the crash log help?
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13:01<kcin1>i have an old package that depends on another package that has been renamed in the meantime,now the new package is not recognized as fulfilling the dependency,what do i do
13:02<abrotman>which package is the old one?
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13:02<kcin1>libhildonfm2 in fact
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13:02<abrotman>but that's in debian .. so what's the problem ?
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13:03<kcin1>i am compiling it for armel
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13:03<abrotman>get the source package, change the deps, try to recompile it?
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13:05<kcin1>i guess you mean edit dsc
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13:06<kcin1>editing dsc didnt work
13:07<sney>!doesn't work
13:07<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
13:07<kcin1>how do i change deps for a package
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13:13<EmleyMoor>I have compiled and installed gnome-inform7 but it crashes when run, producing this report:
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13:19<Hauska>so sumarizeing...
13:19<Hauska>what's the solution for the SiS video driver problem?
13:19<abrotman>discrete video card?
13:20<Hauska>in a laptop...
13:20<Hauska>I can not use more than 800x600...
13:20<Hauska>I SWEAR FOR HELP!
13:20<nyov>Hauska: you try to get an xorg.conf working with display depth 16, you want a res of 1024.768, right?
13:21<nyov>your paste indicates your card won't do more than that
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13:21<Hauska>how to get a conf file to make it work like that?
13:22<nyov>hm, general question to everyone, does xorg.conf auto-detect the stuff not in it? or only if there is no xorg.conf?
13:22<nyov>wait a second
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13:23<gpm>i'm trying to enable automatic gdm3 login. unfortunately the GUI is broken due to some policykit bug (even in testing) so i'm editing config files. i've edited /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and added "AutomaticLoginEnable = true" and "AutomaticLogin = gpm" but it's still not working. any clues?
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13:24<Hauska>no xorg.conf
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13:25<nyov>Hauska: you want this in it I do not know if more is necessary, sorry. someone else?
13:25<Hauska>gret, I eill try
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13:25<towo`>i would not put this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:25<demooriaan>Driver "fbdev"
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13:26<towo`>i would put it instead to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-screen.conf
13:26<demooriaan>VendorName "All"
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13:26<demooriaan>BoardName "All"
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13:26<Hauska>nyov? a xorg.conf so small?
13:27<nyov>ok I'll fix the one earlier posted
13:27<towo`>Hauska, X doeas not need a xorg.conf anymore
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13:28<Hauska>what a mess...
13:28<towo`>so if you need a override for autoconfig, you need only the section, which you want for override
13:29<mrjax1978>hal or udev handles it?
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13:30<mrjax1978>xorg.conf is painfull
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13:33<cthuluh>kill him
13:33<novatoubuntu>hello room...I am trying to walk a debian server, can someone help me to tell me if my public ip work?
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13:33<abrotman>that's enough of that ...
13:33<cthuluh>novatoubuntu: as long as you don't give us the ip/domain name, no
13:33<cthuluh>novatoubuntu: please remember, also, that no ubuntu support is given here
13:34<rking>I wonder why random-ae was yelling.
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13:34<mrjax1978>because he's an idiot
13:34<nyov>Hauska: actually I did not change very much, but removed those Display modes
13:35<rking>mrjax1978: Ahh.
13:35<nyov>try not rebooting but restarting xdm/kdm/gdm from tty
13:35<novatoubuntu>my nick say nobatuubunto but now i am try debian in vbox
13:37<novatoubuntu>my ip pulic is i like to know if apache is work cthuluh?
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13:38<nyov>demooriaan, lets try fb next
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13:38<mrjax1978>can't you test that?
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13:38<novatoubuntu>talk to my mrjax?
13:39<mrjax1978>yes nova
13:39<novatoubuntu>ok i done a test in ip private y susscefull
13:40<novatoubuntu>apache work i don'know fi public ip work
13:41<cthuluh>it doesn't seem so
13:42<towo`>no one knows the notwork-topologie at your side novatoubuntu
13:42<towo`>no on knows the notwork-settings for vbox
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13:43<novatoubuntu>i config vbox in mode internal red
13:43<nyov>code red ;P
13:44*cthuluh happily ignores vbox
13:44<towo`>what should "internal red" be?
13:45<sney>red is spanish for network, isn't it
13:45<sney>or rather lan
13:45<towo`>i doesn't understand spanish
13:45<towo`>but host only network can't work
13:46<towo`>and btw, this is not a debian problem
13:46<novatoubuntu>excuse mi may demore a have use translate de google i know spanish so so english
13:46<towo`>it's a problem with the propper configuration of vbox
13:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:52<novatoubuntu>my config red is in bridge adapter towo
13:53<towo`>and your host-pc has a direct connection to wan?
13:53<towo`>or are you behind a router?
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13:54<daemonkeeper>You are using Ubuntu, right? You want to go to #ubuntu-es then.
13:54<daemonkeeper>(On Freenode)
13:54<sney>he's got a debian install in virtualbox
13:54<sney>novatoubuntu: maybe you should change your name
13:54<novatoubuntu>excuse me by my nick in this moment i tray work apache in debian
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13:55<towo`>but he has no debian-problem
13:56<novatoubuntu>my only problem is apache work good in ip private
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13:57<novatoubuntu>i should my be re config somthing in router my be
13:58<me1988>is there a more straightforward way to sandbox a browser than chrooting?
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13:59<ari_>is possibly seeing his new family for the first time
13:59<towo`>novatoubuntu, you need a portforward in your router
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14:01<nyov>me1988: virtualization, if you want some gui stuff (openvz,kvm/qemu on libvirt)
14:01<nyov>but more resource intense
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14:02<novatoubuntu>yes thank towo, i add my ip private in config router and add the port 80
14:03<me1988><nyov>: my cpu does not support Intel VT
14:03<nyov>novatoubuntu: what's your host system?
14:04<nyov>me1988: you don't need VT for container virtualization, so qemu q/o kvm (slow) or openvz, maybe lxc if you have time to fiddle around
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14:04<nyov>*qemu without kvm
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14:05<me1988><nyov>: got a slow 2ghz Celeron cpu...
14:06<nyov>with lxc you can essentially just chroot that process and impose limits. but then again some chroot would be easier
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14:16<marcelomauro>I cant enable my wireless
14:16<marcelomauro>04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
14:16<marcelomauro>06:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
14:16<marcelomauro>Hoe can I fix it?
14:16<nyov>hardware killswitch?
14:16<towo`>missing firmware
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14:17<marcelomauro>humm, where can I have it?
14:17<marcelomauro>(excuse my English, I'm brezilian)
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14:18<heidi_>it didn+t work
14:18<towo`>firmware-realtek does not show RTL8191SEvA
14:18<nyov>marcelomauro: install firmware-realtek
14:18<nyov>oh sry
14:18<heidi_>X wont startpropertly, and I am getting mad
14:18<towo`>so possible it does not work
14:18<heidi_>I just want to use 1024x screen res at least....
14:19<heidi_>changed "sis" to "vesa", didn+t work either...
14:19<heidi_>WHAT CAN I DO? I SWEAR TO YU!
14:19<nyov>then whats the x output?
14:20<marcelomauro>nyov, Is there on reposiory?
14:20<nyov>demooriaan: your config?
14:20<marcelomauro>I can't find it
14:21<demooriaan>for single card, and no accelerated gaming
14:21<demooriaan>but willwork, is similar to fallback on knoppix live
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14:21<nyov>ok heidi_ try this ^^^ :/
14:22<heidi_>nyov: ?
14:22<heidi_>was it marge simpon or what?
14:22<nyov>his pastebin
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14:23<nyov>marcelomauro: you need non-free in you apt sources line
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14:24<winsen1>hi everybody
14:24<marcelomauro>nyov, ok, thanks
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14:25<winsen1>what's the command to install gparted?, thank you
14:25<heidi_>ok guys, I+ll restart again
14:25<heidi_>and try this new conf... wish me luck
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14:26<korencia>winsen1 $ aptitude install gparted
14:26<korencia>winsen1 But under root
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14:26<nyov>marcelomauro: maybe try grep firmware /var/log/syslog /var/log/dmesg and see if it says something about missing firmware
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14:31<winsen1><korencia>i thaught that is normaly installed by default, is it?
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14:32<heidi_>same problem
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14:32<heidi_>can not fix it :(
14:33<korencia>winsen1 It strongly depends on WHAT you install. But this package isn't default included till I know.
14:33<heidi_>(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
14:33<heidi_>should I activate that module in the kernel?
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14:34<EmleyMoor>I have compiled and installed gnome-inform7 but it crashes when run, producing this report:
14:34<winsen1><korencia>ok, i thank you very mutch for you help
14:34<demooriaan>you have custom kernel built?
14:35<korencia>winsen1 The freedom is definitelly NOT to have ALL packages in system, but the possibility to install them. Maybe if you install synaptic (aptitude install synaptic), you will be able to install anything by simple serching and checking checkboxes
14:35<heidi_>hey, in modconf I dont see "sisfb" enabled...
14:35<sney>'modprobe sisfb' as root
14:35<korencia>heidi_ Have you installed some ANOTHER drivers for graphics?
14:35<heidi_>and then what?
14:36<heidi_>no I have not
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14:36<sney>modprobe loads the driver, then /dev/fb0 should be present
14:36<sney>ls -l /dev/fb0 to check
14:36<korencia>heidi_ so fresh install?
14:36<heidi_>yes, and I don+t want to fuck it
14:36<heidi_>because I only have 2 hours to fix all this
14:36<heidi_>I go to eat, 20 min, please
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14:38<jack_thompson>did anyone else update unstable and lose X in recent hours?
14:38<nyov>sometimes i wish for a remote ssh connection
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14:38<babilen>jack_thompson: you?
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14:38<korencia>sney I didn't follow this X problems from the beginning -what's the status now -what it can be -you suppose?
14:38<jack_thompson>yes.. unstable recommends de-installing X right now.. :D
14:39<korencia>jack_thompson I not, but i have noticed something in the past
14:39<demooriaan>ohoh: found that in blacklist (seems to be default) blacklist sisfb
14:39<sney>korencia: he has SiS graphics, the xserver-xorg-video-sis driver has a bug that doesn't let him use modes over 800x600, so the current plan is to get him using fbdev instead
14:39<babilen>jack_thompson: Well, don't do it if you don't want it. "aptitude safe-upgrade" might be a better choice for the time being.
14:39<jack_thompson>i was curious.. xD
14:39<korencia>jack_thompson reconfigure X server
14:40<winsen1><korencia>sorry, i didn't understand realy, you mean it will be not installed completlly by konsole, should i do it by Gui ?
14:40<korencia>sney Oh.. CRAP
14:40<jack_thompson>korencia... there is no X server to be reconfigured left after it got de-installed...
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14:41<jack_thompson>only parts of X are left... i thought it was a recommendation to remove xorg packages i dont need/use...
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14:41<jack_thompson>but it removed X and left something very broken behind..
14:41<towo`>jack_thompson, you use sid?
14:42<nyov>i remember having to configure such an sis chip years ago. took me ages to get it working. but in the end it did. too bad i have no backup of that stuff
14:42<jack_thompson>i use unstable... no idea what it's name... wheezy or something... i think...
14:42<babilen>jack_thompson: Why did you remove them? You might want to reinstall them if you did something you did not want to do
14:42<korencia>winsen1 It is irrelevant, if you install by console or GUI, but if you are not familiar with console, it is better to use GUI -I used it several first years -it was fine. Then I found aptitude -just run $ aptitude and you will se -it is much nicer for me :-)
14:42<towo`>jack_thompson, don't use unstable, if you can't handle it or if you can't read
14:43<jack_thompson>lol... ok..
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14:43<jack_thompson>lets say i can't read... :D
14:43<jack_thompson>still unstable is broken right now...
14:43<jack_thompson>it recommends de-installing X... just wanted to tell that...
14:43<korencia>jack_thompson Mhh.. OK. Are you familiar with aptitude?
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14:44<jack_thompson>and with linux ... lol
14:44<towo`>but not with unstable
14:44<korencia>jack_thompson find anything in xorg and xserver and PURGE/Remove. Then install back.. It would be bad if sid hadn't working GUI
14:44<jack_thompson>k... sec
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14:45<babilen>jack_thompson: downgrade applicable packages. Look, running sid is not supported in here and we expect you to have a good understanding of Debian and its packaging system. There is also not much we can do if you don't provide more information. The output of the "aptitude install PKG1 ... PKGN" run in wich you try to reinstall the packages you are missing would come in handy for example.
14:45<towo`>it will not work
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14:45<korencia>towo` Don't blame him.. If he wanted to use sid/wheezy he will learn more about Linux -it will be ONLY GOOD
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14:45<dpkg>( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
14:46<sney>^ wisdom for the ages. also why we can't always help you when you use testing.
14:46<jack_thompson>isnt it the point of unstable to break it? so stable is stable? :D
14:47<winsen1><korencia>i agree with you , thank you for these details,
14:48<korencia>winsen1 you are welcome
14:48<ari_>Just wanna say hello.. probably will see me pretty much from now on...
14:48<SynrG>jack_thompson: that would imply some inherent lack of concern for quality where unstable is concerned, so no ...
14:48<edbian>sudo aptitude update prints things like: Hit squeeze/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex Does that mean the packages are optimized for i386 arch and not i686 arch?
14:49<SynrG>it's not the point to break it. however, debian is so large, and some changes involve so many packages ... that it's very impractical, if not impossible to make such changes all at one time
14:49<nyov>edbian: i386 is the arch
14:49<sney>edbian: no, that's just the apt organizational structure
14:49<SynrG>leading to the occasional cases where things are left in an uninstallable state
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14:49<jack_thompson>ok... purged everything xserver and xorg... aptitude recommends now to KEEP 36 xorg packages unistalled...
14:49<SynrG>a seasoned unstable user knows this and knows what to watch out for.
14:49<edbian>sney: So these packages are compiled for i686 optimization or just generic x86 ?
14:49<winsen1>thank you, no i am testing to make new partition in my external disk, but i can not see it, can you tell me why ?
14:50<sney>edbian: generic x86 usually, with the exception of kernels. I think it's i486 specifically
14:50<jack_thompson>either my unstable is seriously broken because i am using it for years now.. or the dependencies are...
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14:50<nyov>jack_thompson: check aptitude for reasons for those, conflicts?
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14:50<babilen>jack_thompson: *show* us
14:50<edbian>sney: Thank you :)
14:50<towo`>jack_thompson, you only can install xserver-xorg-core from testing now
14:50<korencia>jack_thompson You need to decide: do you have time, will and nerves "to lost" for the debian understanding? If so, just get to play with unstable. If you do not have som much, but only a bit, try testing. And if you JUST WANT TO HAVE sMTHING WORKING, get back to stable and do not experiment much..
14:50<edbian>sney: too bad though! Why don't they switch to i686 opt. Surely that's dominant over 486
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14:51<towo`>jack_thompson, xserver-xorg in sid will not work at the moment
14:51<sney>edbian: greater compatibility surely
14:51<jack_thompson>"some packages were broken and have been fixed"
14:51<edbian>sney: Ahh. Of course! How could I forget Debian's favorite word
14:51<winsen1>can you help me?
14:51<jack_thompson>"keep the following packages in their current version"
14:51<sney>486 may be mostly gone but 586 is still more or less common, especially old pentium pro boxes handling stuff like mail
14:51<jack_thompson>then it lists all uninstalled xorg packages... xD
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14:52<jack_thompson>that's crazyness
14:52<winsen1><korencia>are you there?
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14:52<EmleyMoor>jack_thompson: You're running sid. It will break occasionally. However, you are allowed to keep all the parts!
14:53<heidi_>so at modconf I see no sisfb loaded
14:53<korencia> winsen1 yes -i was a bit busy
14:53<jack_thompson>towo' i just read what you wrote... so it really is temp. broken in the repository and not on my machine?
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14:54<towo`>jack_thompson, that's unstable
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14:54<towo`>jack_thompson, you should know that, as user of unstable
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14:54<nyov>heidi_: try: modprobe sisfb; lsmod | grep sisfb
14:54<korencia>winsen1 Have you turned to another device?
14:54<edbian>sney: Yes. Thank you! :D #debian is always the most helpful channel.
14:54<sney>heidi_: it's blacklisted by default apparently. it probably conflicts with the sis driver. remove it from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
14:54<jack_thompson>towo' yah... just wanted to tell... in case i am the first to know it... :D
14:54<sney>heidi_: and do what nyov said
14:54<nyov>ok i'm too lazy apparently :p
14:55<heidi_>do I really need sisfb?
14:55<jack_thompson>i'll just switch machines until th ings are cool again... xD
14:55<sney>heidi_: if you're going to use fbdev and get your higher resolution, yes
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14:55<SynrG>jack_thompson: dependency issues are par for the course in unstable. as i said, unstable users know this and deal with it. mostly by *not* blindly accepting to remove things they know they need when they upgrade :)
14:55<korencia>winsen1 in gparted you have to found the device you need to repartition in the listbox in the right upper part of window
14:55<sney>the sis driver doesn't work, vesa can't go that high, this is the only other option besides getting a new computer
14:56<nyov>heidi_: do it, it's gonna be awesome :o
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14:56<heidi_>so, sisfb, and fbdev in xorg.conf
14:56<jack_thompson>SynrG: i am ashamed now.. :S
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14:56<SynrG>jack_thompson: as i indicated before, this isn't due to a lack of concern for quality, but rather the very difficult, if not impossible job of updating things "en masse" all at once.
14:56<sney>heidi_: bingo
14:57<heidi_>ok, inserted
14:57<babilen>jack_thompson: Note that we can do *nothing* without seeing what you are doing. I would assume that you can install the packages from wheezy, but I can't be sure without seeing the actual output you get when you try to install the packages you removed.
14:57<jack_thompson>SynrG: no problem... not the first time i had my unstable broken... this time i walked into the trap because i thought it would uninstall UNNEEDED xorg packages... xD
14:58<heidi_>so, after inserting the module, now what?
14:58<heidi_>it is listed by lsmod.
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14:58<SynrG>jack_thompson: sure. so, next time, do some sanity checks by hand first :)
14:59<nyov>heidi_: /etc/init.d/xdm restart; org gdm or kdm
14:59<jack_thompson>babilen.. the output i get is a recommendation to NOT install xorg... without alternatives..
14:59<korencia>jack_thompson btw: did you updated to sid/wheezy by 1. changing /etc/apt/sources.list 2. apt-get update 3. apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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14:59<heidi_>ok, but I don+t have any /dev/fb0 file
14:59<nyov>still not there?
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14:59<jiltdil>is debian and ubuntu have samce basic command>
14:59<jack_thompson>korencia.. my sources.list is set to "unstable" all the time
15:00<heidi_>wish me luck
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15:00<babilen>jack_thompson: Show us → -- Please also provide the output for the packages in wheezy.
15:00<winsen1><korencia>normaly yes, but unfortunly the device i need to repatitioning does not appears in listbox, that's it the the question!
15:00<jack_thompson>babilen... let me install gpm and lynx.. lol
15:00<babilen>jiltdil: Generally speaking: Yes :)
15:01<babilen>jack_thompson: You can pipe the output into "pastebinit -b"
15:01<korencia>winsen1 OK. And can you see that device in the /dev directory?
15:01<korencia>winsen1 Mhh.. then it is not detected.. Mh..
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15:03<korencia>winsen1 is it something through usb?
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15:04<winsen1>Korencia>yes it is not detected, why ? yes through usb
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15:04<korencia>winsen1 If so, try to run $ lsusb -and if there will be something relevant, write me back. If you wil not see ANYTHING (maybe) corresponding to it, Mh.. then the problem is deeper
15:04<krux>Does anybody know how to get that cube looking deal when going between screens?
15:04<jack_thompson>thats the only recommendation...
15:05<jack_thompson>i guess i'll just wait... and try again later
15:05<drewdavis>krux: That'd be compiz.
15:05<krux>compiz is the name correct?
15:06<korencia>krux try to run $ aptitude search compix
15:06<krux>can't i just download it or wont it work?
15:06<korencia>krux * compiz (my fault!)
15:06<drewdavis>krux: You can search "compiz" at for a quick tutorial on how to set it up.
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15:06<krux>sweet you guys are the best
15:06<krux>Were are you all you from?
15:07<babilen>jack_thompson: Try the packages in wheezy ... But you could also work with a smaller set of packages (xserver-xorg-core for example) and take it from there.
15:07<korencia>krux Slovakiaaaaa! The ice hockey !! ;-)
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15:07<krux>haha I am from minnesota
15:07<drewdavis>krux: The great state of North Carolina here.
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15:08<korencia>krux :-O Is there somewhere something other than Slovaaakiaaa for now?? :-p ?
15:08<winsen1>korencia>ok i am testing,... i bought this disk last week, i ever use it !!
15:08<heidi_>didnt work
15:08<krux>I like how I download compiz and i can't find it
15:09<heidi_>I can insert sisfb, but I got no /dev/fb0, why?
15:09<heidi_>please help!
15:09<korencia>winsen1 What's that disc?
15:09<winsen1>external disk
15:10<korencia>winsen1 OK. Please give me the type etc.. of that disc
15:10<winsen1>external storage
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15:11<jack_thompson>babilen.. that did the trick... thanks for the tip :)
15:11<heidi_>how to get /dev/fb?
15:11<heidi_>how to get /dev/fb0?
15:12<babilen>jack_thompson: yay \o/ :)
15:12<SynrG>jack_thompson: in particular, xserver-xorg-core 2:1.9.5-1 provides xorg-video-abi-8, but xserver-xorg-input-synaptics depends on xorg-video-abi-11 which is the impossible situation apt couldn't deal with
15:12<SynrG>you can see that from your paste
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15:12<SynrG>(which is why we needed to see the actual messages)
15:12<towo`>[20:50] <towo`> jack_thompson, you only can install xserver-xorg-core from testing now
15:12<korencia>winsen1 OK. Please give me as much info as you can.
15:12<babilen>towo`: Yes, but it often helps to repeat things :)
15:13<SynrG>jack_thompson: same with -wacom
15:13<korencia>winsen1 I believe you can say me more -i will try to check if that accurate type of disc hasn't some gotcha's when mounting from linux
15:13<jack_thompson>synrg: i see
15:14<SynrG>so, if you can live without -wacom or -synaptics (or revert to an earlier version) ...
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15:14<SynrG>all is well
15:14<sney>heidi_: I'm about to go out, but maybe add video=sisfb to your GRUB_COMMANDLINE_LINUX then update-grub and reboot
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15:14<sney>heidi_: that's in /etc/default/grub
15:14<jack_thompson>yes... thanks you guys!!! \:D/
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15:14<heidi_>sney, thanks... we will see...
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15:15<nyov>heidi_: sney, video=sisfb:mode:1024x768x32,rate:70,mem:4096 <-- that mem in KiB
15:16<heidi_>and then, try to use fbdev?
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15:16<babilen>heidi_: (if you haven't read that yet)
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15:17<nyov>also here , scroll down to the second sisfb entry
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15:18<nyov>but that would only fix the bootscreen and not X, right sney?
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15:18<nyov>not much idea on fb
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15:19<nyov>heidi_: wait a second
15:20<nyov>no need for grub, if it's not statically compiled
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15:20<nyov>you can modprobe sisfb mode=1024x768x16 rate=75 mem=12288 it like that
15:20<nyov>but fix those values
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15:21<heidi_>and then restart gdm I guess
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15:22<nyov>first modprobe -r sisfb
15:22<winsen1>lsusb result = so the device not detected is HD external storage "SEAGATE Momentus 7200.4 - 500 Go SATA 2,5 inch" + acromedia box
15:22<heidi_>did it (without -r)
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15:23<winsen1>korencia>take look
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15:23<heidi_>depth 16, mem 4096?
15:23<nyov>heidi_: then it loads, not unloads
15:23<heidi_>i did rmmod actually
15:24<nyov>ok then it's good
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15:24<nyov>your old paste suggest you got 131072 kB vesa mem
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15:24<heidi_>but got no /dev/fb0
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15:25<heidi_>and I don+t have that grub file
15:25<lee-0>Is there a chess program in Debian that allows me to set up a position and play from there? I tried eboard and xboard, and both don´t seem to allow that.
15:26<lee-0>And also tried knights.
15:26<ompaul>lee-0: years ago I seem to remember using gnu-chess
15:27<nyov>reading this doc here but getting no clues,
15:27<lee-0>ompaul: Perhaps it can do that, yet I couldn´t find any good documentation for gnuchess.
15:27<jhutchins_lt>Seems like half the coders who ever worked on Linux wrote a chess program.
15:27<nyov>damn, it recommends using the "sis" X driver
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15:28<lee-0>Eboard even allows you to set up a position and then run a chess engine. However, the chess engine seems to assume the starting position and to ignore the position I set up.
15:28<heidi_>I got no /dev/fb0 after performing that steps...
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15:29<d3nn>hey all
15:29<nyov>yep it says fbdev is not recommended but sis
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15:30<heidi_>sisfb used by noone..
15:30<heidi_>so, what should I do?
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15:33<heidi_>hey look
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15:34<nyov>keep that modprobe line, actually remove the rate, and put that in /etc/modules
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15:37<heidi_>ok, thats last thing I+ll try
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15:38<nyov>rmmod vesafb ,just in case its there
15:38<nyov>then get that other config with 'sis' in it again - is my last idea
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15:40<nyov>also if you can give me an lspci | grep SIS for the version number of that bastard
15:41<heidi_>just a sec
15:42<heidi_>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 10)
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15:47<krux>I need help
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15:47<krux>My alt tab button function wont work
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15:48<nyov>heidi_: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-sis
15:48<nyov>if it's not there yet
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15:48<heidi_>it is...
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15:48<nyov>hoped so
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16:04<nyov>yep. that chip sure is a bitch
16:05<nyov>someone write a factoid :o
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16:16<james>connect efnet
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16:51<pi_>hi guys
16:51<pi_>do you know where is the anonymous folder for ftp when using vsftpd for debian?
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16:55<pi_>nvm, got it. :)
16:55<ayaka>pi_, you can find it in config file
16:56<pi_>it's not stated in the config file, so i had to add it in
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17:16<Damdomy>sup peepz
17:16<ayaka>Damdomy, hello
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17:20<me1988>are you using sid? if yes, what arguments speak against using aptosid?
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17:22<drewdavis>Aptosid updates the kernel much more often then Sid. That could be a benefit or a detraction depending on your point of view.
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17:25<me1988><drewdavis>: anything else to object?
17:26<me1988><drewdavis>: Do you know of any disadvantage of aptosid over Debian sid?
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17:26<drewdavis>me1988: Personally? I like building my system up from a light base instead of installing a customized desktop and tearing down from there. But once again that's just personal preference.
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17:27<drewdavis>aptosid is a good distro. If you're thinking about giving it a try then go for it.
17:27<me1988><drewdavis>: it's a huge drawback that you first have to install stable or testing and then need to upgrade.
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17:29<me1988><drewdavis>: think I'll give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion
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17:31<drewdavis>me1988: No worries.
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17:34<JohnDoe>it's possible to use an ext3 partition as ext2 without removing the journal, right?
17:35<ayaka>JohnDoe, I don't think, but you can use ext4 as ext3
17:35<me1988>it is, just mount it as such
17:35<nyov>just remount it as ext2
17:35<JohnDoe>ok, thx
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17:35<nyov>obviously it won't use the journal then until you remount as ext3
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17:36<JohnDoe>is the journal an invisible file?
17:36<JohnDoe>or is it just an additional block for each file where journaling information are stored
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17:38<nyov>there are internal or external journals. default is internal. then it's some space stored in the filesystem
17:39<nyov>man mkfs.ext3
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17:39<nyov>no idea how the exact block allocation goes
17:40<JohnDoe>thx...just reading it in jbd documentation and the man page
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17:41<nodus>So there is a bug in sshfs that is fixed up stream. I have built a deb for my personal use that has the fix, but i want to actually help get it in debian. Anyone know what i should do?
17:41<nodus>I emailed the maintainer of the sshfs package
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17:42<nodus>i emailed the mentors list
17:42<nodus>and i posted to the bug tracker
17:42<nodus>the bug is in there
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17:45<nodus> and and are all symptoms of the same bug
17:45<nodus>and its fixed up stream
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17:52<henn>so i'm trying to reset the root password to my box
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17:52<henn>i've booted into single user mode
17:52<henn>when i try to change the password i get
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17:53<henn>passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
17:53<henn>passwd: password unchanged
17:54<henn>any ideas, ompaul?
17:55<ompaul>is it asking you for a password prior to that?
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17:56<henn>ompaul: no
17:56<henn>i'm in single user mode
17:57<ompaul>and /etc/ is mounted?
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17:59<ompaul>henn: mount or mount -a
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18:07<henn>ompaul: thanks a bunch
18:08<ompaul>henn: you are welcome.
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18:12<henn>ompaul: what text editor do you use?
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18:14<ompaul>henn: vi / nano / depends on what I am doing also kate and others
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18:25<diederik>how can I mount an iso file as normal user?
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18:25<weasel>you don't.
18:25<diederik>I've already created a directory in /media/ which I fully own
18:25<diederik>what other options do I have?
18:26<diederik>pmount won't work, since it's not in /dev/
18:26<petemc>mc will let you view the contents of it
18:26<ompaul>petemc: but if he uses that you end up being just pete ;-)
18:26<diederik>but I want the iso mounted so it behaves as a normal drive
18:26<petemc>ompaul: :)
18:27<petemc>diederik: so mount it as root
18:27<demooriaan>or use fstab entry /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
18:27<diederik>ok, I can do that, but was hoping for a way to do it as user
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18:28<diederik>but what does scd0 stand for? Can I use that as some 'arbitrary' link to a file I want?
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18:29<demooriaan>/dev/scd0 or /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom depends on your system
18:29<diederik>but those are mapped to my real drives
18:29<nyov>diederik: you need a loop device
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18:29<demooriaan>hmmm, ok ,failure in my thinking
18:29<diederik>and are already in my fstab
18:30<nyov>mount file.iso /cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop
18:30<nyov>something like that
18:30<diederik>nyov: I know, but I can't (?) use mount -o loop, since mount can only be invoked as root
18:30<diederik>and I want to do that as a normal user
18:30<nyov>oh you need a user?
18:31<nyov>you have no root access at all?
18:32<demooriaan>hmmm, should /dev/loop /some/dir udf,iso9660 user,noauto in fstab make it work?
18:32<diederik>yes I do and I can do it as root. But I want to do it as myself
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18:33<diederik>ls -l /dev/loop no such file or directory
18:34<petemc>diederik: you cant, you can installer helper apps which will make it seem like a normal user can mount
18:34<demooriaan>put loop in your /etc/modules
18:35<diederik>petemc: I know of pmount, but that doesn't work (in this case)
18:35<diederik>do you know others I can investigate?
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18:36<nyov>well it's hard because of that loop device
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18:37<nyov>if it's always the same iso a fstab entry might be possible
18:37<petemc>diederik: i dont know any off the top of my head
18:37<petemc>diederik: afaik they all rely on something running in the background which can mount as a superuser
18:37<diederik>ok, thanks. Was worth a shot
18:38<nyov>stuid root, wouldn't go there
18:38<jhutchins_lt>I have some iso images mounted via loopback on my server.
18:38<jhutchins_lt>I just put entries in fstab.
18:38<diederik>I don't have a problem with that, was just looking for an easy way to do it as user
18:39<demooriaan>loop in /etc/modules gives me 8 loop devices
18:39<demooriaan>the rest should be done by fstab entries
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18:39<jhutchins_lt>I didn't need to mess with the modules.
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18:39<diederik>jhutchins_lt: that works if you know in advance which iso's you want mounted, but not some arbitrary ones
18:40<jhutchins_lt>Ah, well, you could use automount,
18:40<nyov>there are automounter thingis
18:40<nyov>oh ha
18:40<diederik>can you post an fstab line for that (anyway)?
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18:41<nyov>but I don't know automount so i'm unsure if that works here
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18:41<jhutchins_lt>/share/iso/garmin/ms302use.iso /share/cd/garmin/ms302use iso9660 ro,loop,auto,unhide 0 0
18:42<diederik>cool, thanks
18:42<jhutchins_lt>automount has the advantage of unmounting if you don't access it for a while.
18:42<cthuluh>desktops like gnome or kde offer ways to mount iso files
18:42<cthuluh>dunno what they use under the hood
18:42<nicholas_>hey. with my upgrade to linux-image-2.6.38-2, on boot x11 won't read my mouse or keyboard. booting 2.6.37-2-amd64 works -- i'm wondering if someone has ideas what data i can collect to narrow down the cause
18:42<diederik>cthuluh: do you know the way to do it with KDE?
18:43<nicholas_>lshal output is nearly the same with both boots
18:43<cthuluh>diederik: nope
18:43<cthuluh>diederik: double-click? :P
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>nicholas_: sid or wheezy?
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18:44<nicholas_>uh, /etc/debain_version claims "wheezy/sid". i track unstable.
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18:44<jhutchins_lt>Then you should kow better.
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18:44<babilen>udev ...
18:44<jhutchins_lt>know even.
18:44<nicholas_>:) i'm just trying to put together a useful bug report
18:45<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Isnt there a mailing list?
18:45<babilen>nicholas_: Make sure you install apt-listbugs, this is a known issue. /msg dpkg udev 620995 and read the discussions on d-d and the bug reports referenced in that factoid.
18:45<jmccrohan>Hi. Is there a file created or a file i can read to determine if a shutdown is in operation?
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18:45<nicholas_>babilen: ah, thanks!
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18:46<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: nologin
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18:46<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: man shutdown
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18:48<jmccrohan>jhutchins_lt: thanks. i guess that is not created if i issue a shutdown now? only with delay?
18:48<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: iirc it's created anyway.
18:49<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: However, the manpage has a better memory than I do.
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18:50<jmccrohan>jhutchins_lt: it would appear not. "If shutdown is called with a delay, it will create the advisory file /etc/nologin which causes programs such as login(1) to not allow new user logins"
18:51<jmccrohan>Any alternatives?
18:52<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: Well, shutdown would be running I think.
18:53<jhutchins_lt>init would be attempting to go to 0.
18:54<jmccrohan>aye. i think i might just make an init script. it might prove easier.
18:55<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: What about waiting a minute or two and seeing if the box shuts down?
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18:56<jhutchins_lt>jmccrohan: Besides, wouldn't you know if you'd issued a shutdown?
18:56<diederik>how can I make dvdnav:// work (properly) with mplayer?
18:57<diederik>I usually do see the dvd menu, but selecting an item from it mostly doesn't work
18:57<diederik>(except pressing enter on the first item)
18:57<drewdavis> /quit
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19:00<aigaiwnas>how can i enter- server exactly?
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19:01<aigaiwnas>for example i want to enter
19:01<cthuluh>it depends on the irc client
19:01<aigaiwnas>it is the smuxi-
19:02<cthuluh>/connect is usually enough
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19:03<aigaiwnas>it asks about protocol parameters as i can see from help -but.. i missing this---
19:04<aigaiwnas> No protocol manager found for the protocol:
19:04<aigaiwnas>Parameter name: protocol
19:04<aigaiwnas>as is
19:04<aigaiwnas>01:05 [Engine Commands]
19:04<aigaiwnas>01:05 -!- help
19:04<aigaiwnas>01:05 -!- connect/server protocol [protocol-parameters]
19:05<aigaiwnas>im trying to find out from the site- but.. it says aboyt user registration-
19:05<cthuluh>look the documentation of your software more carefully. we don't support irc clients
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19:05<cthuluh>if you want to quickly connect to freenode, they have a web based access
19:05<aigaiwnas>aha i see
19:06<themill>aigaiwnas: some clients use "/server" not "/connect". You might want to ask in #smuxi for information on how to drive your client.
19:06<meebey>I replied to him already on #smuxi
19:06<aigaiwnas>but is just to simple enter the cmd- thank you great cthulhuh.
19:07<aigaiwnas>yes i saw just now-
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19:13<jmccrohan>jhutchins_lt: i would yes, but i'm trying to get a program to do sometihng when it sees a shutdown. I was trying to avoid an init script and allow the daemon to notice the shutdown.
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19:53<Saltillo-Chico>creo que no sé usar esto...
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19:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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20:04<aliquis>crap, wrong channel I suppose but if I have swedish keymap in Knoppix and åäö work everywhere except in the terminal where it only ends up being ??? what can I do about it? Any ideas? Really need to get this shit working
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20:05<aliquis>terminal is LXTerminal but neither that or xterm work for whatever reason, tried to switch around a few fonts but that doesn't seem to do anything, set se-latin1 by dpkg-reconfigure and set swedish keymap in whatever window manager (kde?) it uses settings to.
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20:10<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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20:11<aliquis>cthuluh: yeah I know but freaking #knoppix on freenode is dead as shit and it's probably standard linux/gnu behavior anyway
20:12<aliquis>I'm following will see if that helps
20:13<cthuluh>setxkbmap is a general way, but I don't know if that will help
20:13<cthuluh>should be a lot easier than dpkg-reconfigure and all
20:16<aliquis>I have tried both setxkbmap and dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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20:16<aliquis>åäö works here on irc and in all x applications except the terminals
20:16<aliquis>dunno wtf is up with that
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20:16<aliquis>maybe it's because it sends utf-8 åäö and not latin-1 or whatever
20:17<aliquis>dunno how to fix that either if it matters and if some terminal applications may want the latin-1 characters instead
20:17<aliquis>tried to import a bank id key but I can't since it contains åäö characters :D
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20:18<babilen>aliquis: Set your locale (dpkg-reconfigure locale) but this is really off-topic in here. You are welcome to use a different live cd like debian-live (support in here and #debian-live) or GRML which is supported in #grml on freenode
20:18<sney>aliquis: if it's standard linux/gnu behaviour you can ask in freenode ##linux instead. #debian can't support derivatives since we can't know what they've changed. we could suggest a fix that works for debian and it could break your system.
20:19<aliquis>babilen: it can't be that whatever uses utf-8 and the terminal or terminal applications want iso-8859-1 / -15? Any idea how to fix that in that case?
20:19<aliquis>sney: yeah, thanks
20:19<aliquis>sney: the system is a live dvd so no worries :D
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20:38<aliquis>bwah, solved by setting LANG and LC_ALL to sv_SE.UTF-8 and then running whatever terminal from that terminal. Crap.
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20:54<mister2>anybody have a link for a way to install windows from usb, but set the usb up from debian?
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20:59<winsen>hello everybody
21:00<winsen>how can i correct iso file errors?
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21:00<sney>re-download it. use bittorrent when you download for less chance of corruption
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21:02<gilson>ola tudo bem
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21:04<caio>Hello =D
21:04<winsen>i created iso file from my cdrom , and it didn't work correctly cause it stops in the middle of installation...
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21:06<winsen>i've had same error with cd, cause my cd is defective
21:06<mister2>winsen: if you're copying something that's broken, your result is broken
21:06<caio>Is the disc burned??
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21:08<caio>winsen: Is the disc burned??
21:08<winsen><mister2>thanks for answer, i agree with you , that's why i need help, to correct it on the iso file
21:09<winsen>is there any tools to correct it?
21:09<mister2>winsen: do you have the bit of data you're missing in any other form?
21:09<mister2>not that i know of
21:10<winsen>mister2>sorry, i didn't understand what do you mean ?
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21:11<winsen>do you mean witch error it has given me?
21:13<winsen>i ,am just asking if there's any tools to correct that?
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21:14<winsen>mister2>do you have any idea?
21:15<kuhkatz>well, you can download the bad files again, mount the iso, copy the files over, burn the iso, try again
21:15<kuhkatz>depending on how much is dead in the iso, be prepared to do it over and over again
21:15<kuhkatz>or just download the whole iso again
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21:18<winsen>i can not download it cause it's official soft i bought
21:18<winsen>it's not free one
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21:23<winsen>ok, i'll see later, i thank you
21:23<winsen>good night, bye
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21:32<Sw33NY>hi all
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21:45<sako>hey guys anyone do a ssb of nginx 1.0 from wheezy or sid?
21:46<sako>i get to the dpkg -i nginx part, but it creates 2 packages nginx_common and nginx-full which is the one i want... seems i have ot install common first?
21:46<sako>not sure if i am doing it right..
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21:55<babilen>sako: Just install both at the same time and fnish with "aptitude -f install"
21:55<sako>babilen: how do i both at once?
21:55<sako>dpkg -i nginx_common.deb nginx-full.deb?
21:55*dpkg removes a lung from sako and replaces it with nginx_common.deb nginx-full.deb
21:55<babilen>sako: "dpkg -i nginx_common-???.deb nginx-full-?????.deb" :)
21:56<sako>i see
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22:13<sako>thanks again babilen
22:13<sako>figured it all out
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22:30<wilson>where should i paste errors?
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22:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
22:31<nickg>if I was going to get lxc working on my squeeze system and have uncommented the line in /etc/default/lxc it tries to look for the example container which does not exist where should I create all of the files so this example one can start properly?
22:32<nyov>nickg: put config in /etc/lxc
22:32<nyov>nickg: change the container names in /etc/default/lxc
22:33<nickg>is it required to add the cgroup line in /etc/fstab and create a mount point for it?
22:33<nyov>the container rootfs in /var/lib/lxc
22:34<nyov>cgroup /cgroup cgroup defaults 0 0
22:34<wilson>what kind of error is this?
22:34<nyov>should do, if you mkdir /cgroup
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22:36<nyov>nickg: this stuff is still mostly experimental i'd say. much feeling-around to do. be wary
22:36<nyov>at least you can't hose your host system by starting without a rootfs mountpoint anymore
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22:38<nickg>is there a way to check if unattended-upgrades runs at all as the log file for it was empty and I did run dpkg-reconfigure and choose yes just to make sure so should I need to do anything else to get it to work?
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22:40<wilson>what kind of error is this?
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22:43<nyov>wilson: who knows. what program is that? looks like you want ttf-mscorefonts-installer (re)installed
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22:44<wilson>There seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon, the software that allows you to install/remove software and to perform other package management related tasks. Please report this error at and retry.
22:45<nyov>well there you go
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22:45<nyov>nickg: no ide
22:45<wilson>nyov: what kind or error is that?
22:46<sney>wilson: it's an ubuntu error. you're in #debian.
22:46<nyov>how do you mean? looks like a fatal one ;)
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22:46<nyov>that too
22:47<wilson>oh im sorry
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22:47<sney>open your network list again and select the second option this time
22:47<nyov>alright, signin off. goodnight
22:47<nickg>is there a way to check if unattended-upgrades runs at all as the log file for it was empty and I did run dpkg-reconfigure and choose yes just to make sure so should I need to do anything else to get it to work? I am running debian stable was that apt daemon report meant for me?
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22:48<sney>nickg: you can safely ignore anything that says 'launchpad' in it
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22:49<sney>nickg: unattended-upgrades keeps your system up to date without supervision, right? just try an 'aptitude update' and see if there is anything
22:51<nickg>yes that is what I did I do that every time the system boots and every hour automatically but don't like to do dist-upgrade threw my cron job as unattended upgrade should do that portion but today I ran dist-upgrade and the mozilla browser and a few libraries were upgraded so why was unattended-upgrade program had not pulled in the updates how can I check to ensure it is even running at all?
22:52<sney>you need to invest in some punctuation
22:52<nickg>oops sorry about that.
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22:52<sney>well if the log is size 0, and you had upgrades that weren't pulled in by unattended, I think you can safely assume that it isn't running
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22:54<nickg>well ok but how often does unattended run? If I run it manually it does write a log.
22:54<sney>I don't know, what does the manpage and Readme.Debian say?
22:54<nickg>well it talks a lot about ubuntu but I am running normal debian.
22:55<nickg>and only have debian squeeze lines in sources.list
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23:50<Web-aptosid876>Good evening everyone. I'm having some issues with apt and wondered if anyone here can advise
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23:59<jack>what is the command to check ipadress through terminal?
23:59<jack>as i tried ifconfig but it is saying no command found
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