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---Logopened Tue May 03 00:00:53 2011
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00:07<dspace>I believe there are some programs that let you read ext3 in Windows, but it's not out of the box
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00:07<dspace>As for formatting it to fat32, not sure how that would affect file permissions
00:07<TheVilleDuece>ok, ill avoid it than
00:08<TheVilleDuece>and Im guessing bootable flag is a yes otherwise debian isnt going to boot correct?
00:08<nlewycky>what's up with "buildbot" in unstable? it looks like support for buildbot slaves was broken off into a buildbot-slave package that ... doesn't exist
00:08<dspace>Debian will read your other partitions, so you can always just store files directly in other ones if you need Windows to see them
00:09<TheVilleDuece>oh ok, cool that works for me. Thank you again for you help, I wish I could buy you a bottle of Woodford :)
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00:09<aussa>I installed wine from aptitude, but turns out it was an old version of it... why did that happen?
00:09<dspace>You could even symlink the other partitions from your /home folder :)
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00:09<dspace>so saving files in the other partitions would be fairly transparent
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00:12<TheVilleDuece>I will have to look into that when I cross that bridge, honestly don't know how to symlink yet but im installing debian to learn :)
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00:16<nlewycky>wow, buildbot-slave seems to have just appeared in the repo. okay then.
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00:16<aussa>couldn't be able to install lastest version of wine... :S...
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00:22<k-man>anyone remember xlander?
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00:27<aussa>aptitude wine version is 1.0.1, and the latest is 1.2.3, and I tried to download it from wine website, but it says to get it from APT :s
00:27<nlewycky>k-man: yes.
00:27<nlewycky>why does apt-get install perl try to remove my sole kernel image?!
00:27<k-man>nlewycky, yeah its a shame there is no .deb for it
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00:35<aussa>aptitude wine version is 1.0.1, and the latest is 1.2.3, and I tried to download it from wine website, but it says to get it from APT :s
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00:38<Alam_Lenny>go for wine-unstable package from sid
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00:39<Alam_Lenny>but I just build my own copy of wine 1.3.19
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00:41<r4co0n>Morning from Germany. Some time ago I was told here to use Exim4 and Dovecot for a mail server setup. Since I've never done such a setup I am digging for a tutorial atm, but all i find is about Postfix/Dovecot. Is Exim supposed to replace Postfix in my setup?
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00:44<r4co0n>I rather struggle with configuration than having a mail-server that is "2nd choice", as a side note.
00:44<k-man>is there some tricky way to install all the games available to me in debian?
00:45<k-man>r4co0n, exim and postfix are two different programs that do the same job
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00:46<k-man>you need to use one or the other. afaik, debian defaults to installing exim. personaly, I use postfix. I found it easier to manage than exim and the #postfix channel on irc was also very helpful (on freenode)
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00:46<k-man>r4co0n, I should also add that I am NOT an experienced mail admin - so take with a pinch of salt
00:47<r4co0n>k-man: I suppose you would have to bundle the games yourself, have a look here if you havent found this list yet: .
00:47<k-man>r4co0n, what do you mean by bundle?
00:47<r4co0n>k-man: Thanks for clarification. It seems I need to find myself a teacher for that :)
00:47<r4co0n>r4co0n: Make your own meta-package
00:48<k-man>r4co0n, oh, this is a new concept to me
00:48<r4co0n>k-man: Make your own meta-package
00:48<k-man>r4co0n, I would suggest installing postfix - I have found it reliable and easy to configure
00:48<r4co0n>k-man: And I know no more than that it is possible. Only feasible if you want to install the games on multiple machines afterwards.
00:49<k-man>exim may also be reliable and easy to configure but I have no real experience in it
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00:49<k-man>no, I just want a quick way to get most games installed on 1 machine
00:49<r4co0n>k-man: I have already digged into exim quite a bit, it is certainly reliable, and as easy to configure as something that complex can get, i suppose.
00:50<k-man>ah, well stick with exim then
00:50<r4co0n>k-man: then install the games listed in the link provided by hand
00:50<k-man>ok will do thanks
00:50<r4co0n>k-man: There are more games available with gnome/kde, small ones, like mines
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00:52<r4co0n>k-man: kdegames and gnome-games are the package names
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00:55<r4co0n>k-man: try tuxracer, in package extremetuxracer. loved it as a kid...
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00:56<k-man>im setting up a machine for a 12yo friend of mine
00:56<r4co0n>the list on seems to cover just a few games, you will have to look further
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00:57<ayaka>hello,I want to use my camera in debian ,how can I do
00:57<r4co0n>k-man: take a look at
00:58<r4co0n>gotta go get a degree, cya
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01:03<ayaka>I have done, thank you
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01:06<nikolay[rus]>есть русские?
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01:43<ayaka>nikolay[rus], what is your language
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01:44<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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01:45<nikolay[rus]>thak you
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01:54<Milk>I'm having problems with the installation of magento on localhost does not open the admin page
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01:55<sney>Milk: iirc, magento doesn't like being localhost-only. make a fake domain name and redo the installation script.
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01:58<TheVille>Hello again
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01:59<TheVille>Dunno if I can ask a GRUB related question here but....I can't get grub to recognize my third OS (WinXP) and I've exhausted ideas or atleast what I understand. I think I have to manual add it to the boot list
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02:05<sangi>how to allocate the size of /var partition in terms of percentage of size of hard disk in lvm
02:05<sangi>can it be done through preseed file
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02:16<crypticsquared>anyone having issues with pm-hibernate on the latest wheezy update? it was working before i did an update yesterday and now the log shows that it goes into hibernate with success but the fans never spin down
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02:25<crypticsquared>correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't a cfdisk /dev/sda show the filesystem type as it is mounted atm and not "freespace"?
02:26<TheVille>Headed to bed, good luck everyone
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02:33<PIrr>crypticsquared: seems to be normal, same here and tried with fdisk which shows nothing
02:34<crypticsquared>PIrr: i think it's hinting at a bigger problem which is why swap isn't mounting and why hibernate won't work. the cause of which i have no idea
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02:35<PIrr>perhaps this is because some os'es use one primary partition and divide it again
02:36<crypticsquared>it's the only OS on here and i created two partitions
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02:36<PIrr>no, I mean the behavior of fdisk and cfdisk to show because of that
02:37<PIrr>have you tried mkswap /dev/xxx ; swapon /dev/xxx
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02:38<PIrr>do you use UUID in fstab?
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02:38<PIrr>pehaps something made an mkswap an now your swap partition has a new UUID?
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02:39<PIrr>or do you use UUID in grub?
02:39<crypticsquared>possibly. it's a uuid in fstab
02:39<crypticsquared>tried swapon but says device busy
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03:24<armani>i downloaded a package off the internet, and now i can't uninstall the program, is there a way i can do it? dpkg doesn't see it in its db..
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03:33<devil>armani: how did you install it?
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03:36<armani>devil, i think i installed it via ./configure && make from the tar file i downloaded...but i can't be sure, because I can't replicate that method just now with the file
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03:37<PIrr>armani: try make uninstall from that dir you made configure && install
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03:40<devil>armani: if you compile sourcecode yourself and use install as 3rd step, dpkg does not get to know this. so, if compiling yourself, which should only be done if really neccessary, its a good idea to use checkinstall instead of install. that creates a basic deb-package, that dpkg can remove.
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03:40<babilen>... or install to /usr/local, probably with the help of stow or xstow
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04:05<armani>Plrr, devil, babilen didn't work...i don't know how i installed it because following the previous methods didn't get me any results
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04:06<devil>armani: not every package you compile does have an uninstall option
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04:07<armani>devil, thanks, is there a way to uninstall then? i'm assuming it'll have to be forcefully..
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04:07<devil>armani: you will probably have to delete the files
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04:08<devil>armani: locate can be helpful to find all remains
04:09<armani>devil, thanks...sounds messy lol
04:09<devil>armani: right, thats why you should try to find .deb packages for your needs
04:10<devil>armani: or use at least checkinstall
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04:11<armani>thanks devil! i'll have to keep that in mind in future installs
04:11<PIrr>if he really made configure && make && make install, then he could install it again with checkinstall and then use dpkg
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04:11<devil>PIrr: good idea, didnt think of that
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04:15<PIrr>I was on slackware some years ago, there you had to install chackinstall that way
04:15<PIrr>otherwise it was not listed in the package manager
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05:02<SorryGuest>I'm trying to set a computer as a firewall, and for that purpose only one other computer connects to it
05:02<SorryGuest>So I'm trying to set up a dhcp server, but make it lease only one ip (and no more)
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05:10<SorryGuest>I did the same set up but reduced the range
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05:29<luser>Gotta be a FAQ - if I specifically want emacs 21, not the emacs 23 that aptitude offers, can I grab a prebuilt .deb from anywhere?
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05:43<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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05:57<MethedMan>could someone help me figure out how to anonymize my email. someone recommended mixmaster to me and it is just too slow. i want to have normal e-mail contact with a reporter without him/her knowing my IP or any other meta data from the email.
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06:31<Hauska>hi therem free world...
06:31<Hauska>is it possible to synch video to iPods?
06:31<Hauska>I can synch nusic with SOngbird, but how about videos?
06:31<Hauska>I would love too.
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06:33<ethanol>MethedMan: not sure how you would hide your ip unless you use an anonymous service
06:33<ethanol>MethedMan: they will always see the originating server
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06:34<ethanol>MethedMan: also I have never heard of mixmaster in relation to anonymous email. :
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06:38<MethedMan>ethanol: not necessarily. gmail with tor/namoroka hides IP info from the receiver.
06:38<MethedMan>ethanol: i just want to have the anonymity without needing to sign into a mail server on the internet. would prefer to work out of the command line or emacs if possible
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06:40<ethanol>so use gmail with tor?
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06:58<armani>Hauska, have you tried gtkpod?
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06:59<streuner__>Hauska: sync videos for ipods is a pain
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06:59<streuner__>Hauska: i personally use Hamster to get the right format for an ipod...
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07:03<SorryGuest>when does DHCP3-server start? I don't see it in /etc/init.d/
07:03<streuner__>Hauska: there is in Debian Multimedia mp4tools, but it wont work to sync videos...
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07:05<sangi>how to allocate the size of /var partition in terms of percentage of the size of hard disk in lvm
07:05<sangi>can it be done through preseed file
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07:05<SorryGuest>usually you do it during install?
07:07<sangi>SorryGuest, for encrypted lvm partitioning,it doesnt prompt for partition size of /var,/home etc.,
07:07<sangi>it allocates a default size
07:08<SorryGuest>did you try expert install?
07:10<sangi>SorryGuest, no
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07:12<sangi>SorryGuest, but i want to increase the size of partitions through preseed or in debian-installer source
07:13<Hauska>streuner__: thanks
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07:15<richard>hi all, i was just wondering about the status of gnome3 in debian
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07:18<SorryGuest>sangi: I tried "expert" install, it's the normal install only you an choose what parts to do or not
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07:19<streuner__>Hauska: (the answer was for an 4th generation ipod, it might be different for older ipods)
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07:21<richard>gsimmons, thanks
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07:23<sulumar>Does anyone know where to find drivers for a Nvidia gts 450
07:24<sulumar>for squeeze
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07:28<sulumar>ore how to get a higher res working im stuck on 800x600
07:28<SorryGuest>how do can I get more questions from apt-get?
07:29<SorryGuest>(lower the notice level or whatnot?)
07:29<sangi>SorryGuest, i tried expert install,it doesnt prompt for partition size
07:30<SorryGuest>pretty odd, though I didn't try lvm encrypted install.
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07:30<SorryGuest>sorry, I don't know more :/
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07:31<Parsifal>SorryGuest: dpkg-reconfigure debconf is probably what you're after
07:32<sangi>can anyone else give a solution for this
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07:44<sulumar>does anyone know how to get a proper screen res mine is to low
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07:46<richard>cd /etc/X11/
07:46<richard>Xorg -configure
07:47<Hauska>but is it possible to synch videos to my ipod or not?
07:47<Hauska>I got a 4rth gen ipod.
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07:53<sulumar>Xorg -configure
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07:53<sulumar>Command not found
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07:56<sulumar>and i dont have a xorg.conf file
07:56<streuner__>Hauska: no
07:56<babilen>!empty xorg.conf
07:56<dpkg>Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>, <xorg config lenny>.
07:56<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
07:56<streuner__>Hauska: the needed libs doesnt support 4th. generation ipods in Debian...
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07:58<sulumar>im just going to trash it. on every other linux os it work just fine
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07:59<streuner__>Hauska: and there is version (itunes) for windows or OSX, but not for Linux, gtkpod cant work because the libs doesnt support 4th generation ipods...
08:00<babilen>sulumar: There is not much we can do if you don't provide more information. (lspci -nn|grep -i vga, Xorg.0.log, xrandr -q, ...)
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08:01<lynx>hello, i'm going to migrate from xubuntu to debian with xfce, on ubuntu series every driver is auto-installed just like in windows, does this happen on debian aswell?
08:02<lynx>it's a sony vaio i3, intel gma hd 330m gfx, etc.
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08:02<richard>most drivers are included in the kernel, so yes
08:02<lynx>how do i know if they're installed or not
08:02<richard>there can be exceptions with proprietary drivers though
08:02<lynx>i mean, in windows you can easily find which drivers r missing
08:03<lynx>by going to computer > hardware > bla bla
08:03<lynx>is there any ay
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08:03<lynx>way* to see if everything is installed properly?
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08:03<sulumar>made a pastebin for the outputs babilen.
08:04<richard>lynx, use 'lspci' to list hardware and check that those devices are supported by Debian before migrating
08:04<babilen>!tell sulumar -about nvidia
08:04<babilen>!tell sulumar -about nvidia dkms
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08:04<sulumar>i never understood x anyway
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08:05<lynx>babilen, thanks
08:06<babilen>lynx: I don't have much time now, but you can probably figure it out yourself. :)
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08:07<lynx>babilen, ive used the site you sent me
08:07<lynx>almost everything is marked as yes
08:07<lynx>but there's empty things aswell
08:07<lynx>i'd be glad if you could take a look at them and tell me if they'd actually mess with something
08:07<lynx>or if its just ok
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08:09<lynx>w.e, ill try it
08:09<lynx>fml D:
08:09<lynx>thanks for the help
08:09<lynx>another silly question
08:09<lynx>with the small instalation, does it ask b4 install anything just like browser etc or nah?
08:10<lynx>is there any program like browser, mail reader, etc that comes with the net installation?
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08:11<ethanol>with net installation, you just install what you want, through the net.
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08:11<ComradeHaz`>Hi all, I am familliar with the aptitude option to include recommended packages when installing new packages, but this does not seem to work when doing upgrades. Is there an equivelent option, or manner of using the option one would expect to use to do this?
08:12<lynx>exactly but i though there was some kind of default shit
08:12<lynx>like browser, and i want to choose my own
08:12<lynx>instead of unistalling the default one (which comes with the full inst)
08:12<lynx>but k
08:12<sulumar>well the wikis HOW TO Konfigure X wont work for me
08:12<richard>sulumar, is this a new install?
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08:13<richard>i had some similar problem when i installed squeeze, after a reboot X got the correct resolution
08:14<babilen>lynx: You can install the desktop task which will get you a Gnome (or whatever you select) desktop with a bunch of stuff installed
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08:14<Hauska>iTunes sucks.
08:14<lynx>ill stick with xfce
08:14<Hauska>and Apple sucks.
08:14<Hauska>mistake to buy that iPod.
08:15<babilen>sulumar: You probably want to install the nvidia drivers -- See the private messages from dpkg
08:15<Hauska>they are much worst than miscrofost.
08:15<Hauska>and I tell you something...
08:15<ethanol>Hauska: pick your evil, live with it, QQ less.
08:15<babilen>!tell lynx about install xfce
08:15<Hauska>Apple does not have to deal giving support for thousands of different chipsets, drivers.
08:16<Hauska>so it's an easy job for them to develop the OS...
08:16<Hauska>they pick the hardware, and focus only on that.
08:16<ethanol>how is driver support OS related?
08:16<lynx>btw, any1 know a php script for a list of contacts?
08:16<Hauska>at least microsofts offers a great variety of drivers... and so
08:16<dpkg>Please stay on topic. #debian's mission is to help users of Debian solve problems and understand their Debian systems. If what you are discussing has no relationship to Debian, please move your discussion (and invite participants) to a channel where it is on topic, such as #politics, #general, #ubuntu, or #yourownchannel. Failure to moderate yourself will result in operators moderating for you.
08:17<ethanol>Hauska: what, you forgot you were in #debian? :p
08:17<Hauska>yes, sorry.
08:17<richard>Hauska, vendors write drivers for windows, drivers for gnu/linux are written by the community
08:18<Hauska>yes I know...
08:18<richard>oh ok, sorry
08:18<Hauska>what I mean is just that Apple is not "so cool".
08:18<Hauska>but that's off topic...
08:19<themill>ComradeHaz`: I don't know of a config option for this, but "aptitude search '?broken-reverse-recommends(?installed)'" will give you a list of such packages.
08:19<Hauska>the thing is that I don't want to install windows just for synching video to my iPod.
08:19<ethanol>Hauska: then install osx.
08:19<Hauska>same crap
08:19<ethanol>Hauska: or, use google and find out that you don't have to use either.
08:19<Hauska>does that way exist?
08:19<lynx>!tell lynx install x
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08:19<ethanol>Hauska: find out
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08:20<Hauska>ok I'll tell you
08:20<lynx>!tell lynx xorg install
08:20<lynx>!tell lynx xorg config
08:20<@Ganneff>lynx: use /msg dpkg
08:20<ethanol>they even have a linux distro that runs on the ipod, so go figure :p
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08:22<ethanol>Hauska: the most obvious point to start looking perhaps;
08:22<ethanol>Hauska: you know how much effort that took? googling "linux ipod manager"
08:23<Hauska>I tried many already...
08:23<ethanol>saved you from throwing a silly tantrum in here
08:23<Hauska>and couldn't synch video yet...
08:23<ethanol>dozens list video support
08:23<ethanol>so, you fail
08:24<Hauska>for 4th gen?
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08:24<ComradeHaz`>thanks, themill
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08:26<ethanol>Hauska: I'm not your google monkey. go search for yourself, thanks.
08:26<morph_work>hi! I have an LVM setup (/, /home, /var, /data and so on) and I'd like to take a consistent backup of the the logival volume for / and /home - what's the best way to do it ?
08:26<Hauska>:) lovely
08:26<Hauska>'goolge monkey' hahaha
08:27<ethanol>Hauska: 1 word, floola.
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08:27<ethanol>again, I am not your google monkey.
08:28<lynx>excuse the dumb question, but does mformat on /media/USB work?
08:28<lynx>or it should be /dev/blabla
08:28<ethanol>though seriously, if floola does not ring a bell, you must have put 0 effort towards trying to get find a decent ipod manager for linux
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08:35<Garp>Question: I'm looking for a backup system that can prevent some set of file to be altered (wont backup the new version if changed but warn user). If it could do remote encrypted backup, that would be good. Any suggestion? Thanks.
08:36<ethanol>or my personal favorite, rdiff-backup
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08:37<Garp>ethanol: I use rdiff-backup, but it doent prevent modification on files
08:37<Garp>(to the oposite, it is made to cope with this the best)
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08:47<zombified>can someone help with installing .exe files on backtrack4?
08:47<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
08:48<zombified>ok thanks
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08:50<JohnDoe>how can I display a list of all unused inodes?
08:50<petemc>df -i
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08:51<JohnDoe>is there a command to display a complete list of all unused ones?
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09:02<saleem>hello, anybody using liquorix kernel?
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09:03<saleem> im running 2.6.38-1.dmz.1-liquorix-686 on debian testing, im not getting any kernel updates with smxi apparently, can you guide me what is happening?
09:04<daemonkeeper>Since this is something completely unsupported by Debian, you probbaly won't find help here
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09:05<saleem>daemonkeeper, yes i know, somebody at #smxi spoke now
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09:12<ComradeHaz`>Gents, any advice on what's causing the following: which is just a small smaple of what's been spammed there over last day or so
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09:14<Deft0nes>so the 2.6.38 is finally available via backports. i need to do a offline install and i am wondering which of these packages do i need
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09:15<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
09:15<ne7work>how to install flash player on debian :P
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09:18<ne7work>how to install flash player on debian :P
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09:20<ne7work>Deft0nes, and what I need to download for 64-bit debian
09:21<themill>,versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64
09:21<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3
09:23<ne7work>themill, I read it but I can't see from where can I download flashplugin-nonfree on amd6?
09:23<themill>you don't need to download it, you'll let apt do it.
09:23<ComradeHaz`>Wait a minute
09:23<themill>Deft0nes: no. that deb is not designed for debian.
09:24<ComradeHaz`>and ne7work, for the record, [14:15:41] <ne7work> how to install flash player on debian :P
09:24<ComradeHaz`>is not a question.
09:24<ComradeHaz`>It was not clear you were asking a question.
09:24<Deft0nes> then
09:24<themill>Deft0nes: you can stop now
09:24<ComradeHaz`>A question mark would have helped, but so would the words "How do I install flash on debian?"
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09:25<ne7work>okay.. how can I install flash player on debian?
09:25<themill>dpkg: tell ne7work about adobe flash
09:25<ne7work>what ever I download that
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09:26<ne7work>and it's not work with chromium :(
09:26<richard>ne7work, first add non-free to your repo in sources.list
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09:26<ne7work>how can I install flash player really? :(
09:26<richard>the, aptitude update
09:26<ComradeHaz`>We are telling you.
09:26<themill>and more importantly, add "contrib".
09:26<richard>then, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
09:26<richard>restart your browser, done
09:26<ComradeHaz`>Then aptitude update.
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09:26<ComradeHaz`>Then aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
09:26<richard>ComradeHaz`, 14:26 richard$ the, aptitude update
09:27<richard>ComradeHaz`, ;)
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09:27<themill>richard: s/non-free/contrib/
09:27<richard>if you'll excuse my typo
09:27<ne7work>what this mean aptitude update? What I need to type?
09:27<richard>themill, flashplugin-nonfree
09:27<richard>is in non-free
09:27<themill>richard: yes
09:27<themill>richard: no, it's in contrib
09:27*richard does a doubletake
09:27<themill>richard: see judd's output
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09:28<richard>how could it be in contrib?
09:28<richard>it's non-free...
09:28<Lethalman>richard, apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
09:28<themill>richard: no it's not. You should read the package description.
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09:28<richard> 500 squeeze/contrib i386 Packages
09:28<richard>i'll be damned
09:29<richard>so what's the deal with that, i.e. why is it in contrib and not non-free?
09:29<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, is there a way to find all packages installed from a certain repo?
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09:29<themill>ComradeHaz`: /msg dpkg which repo
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09:30<themill>richard: as the package description says, it's just a downloader. The downloader script (/usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree) is freely licenced but is useless without non-free crap. That makes it something for contrib.
09:30<dpkg>[contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compatible software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>.
09:31<richard>i had forgotten it was just a downloader
09:31<themill>(policy §2.2.2 for more info)
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09:37<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, thanks again, themill :) Keep coming on here with a question that doesn't get answered but always manage to think of something else and get an answer to that instead. If I may press for help on my main question, though, can anyone off advice on what's causing the following: which is just a small sample of what's been spammed there over last day or so
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09:39<themill>ComradeHaz`: never seen anything like that, but it sounds like you're trying to set some process accounting limit that is not known by the kernel. Have you recently changed kernel or pam setup?
09:39<cybersphinx__>ComradeHaz`: Some outdated setting in /etc/security/limits.conf or limits.d?
09:39<ComradeHaz`>Not at all. I'm pretty noob
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09:39<ComradeHaz`>It started after a recent safe-upgrade
09:39<ComradeHaz`>(running unstable)
09:40<themill>!pal ComradeHaz`
09:40*dpkg points at ComradeHaz` and laughs uproariously
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09:41<themill>mismatch between pam and kernel, then? What kernel and what pam packages? (aptitude versions ~nlibpam~i)
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09:43<themill>!btssmite ComradeHaz`
09:43*dpkg beats ComradeHaz` around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if ComradeHaz` is running testing or unstable
09:43<themill>!dbugs 625226
09:43<dpkg>#625226:M[libpam-modules] pam_limits: Unknown kernel rlimit 'Max realtime timeout' ignored (confirmed); Mon, 02 May 2011 15:51:02 UTC []
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09:49<zeglor>hi guys! i have a problem installing GNOME: everything goes rather smoothy until initializing python-louie. After that system freezes and messages prints something like BUG: CPU#0 stuck for 61 secs
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09:52<Debian_Geek>Why Debian Squeeze.. I think Lenny was the best...:(
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09:53<babilen>Debian_Geek: Use lenny then
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09:54<ComradeHaz`>Ah, I spent a lot of time googling and looking at bugs yesterday. I guess I should have had another look today!
09:55<ComradeHaz`>Thanks again, again, themill, I guess I just wait it out!
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09:55<ComradeHaz`>Actually, if I were to remove 'unstable' from my sources, leaving testing, would I gradually end up with a testing machine?
09:55<ComradeHaz`>Or will I have loads of problems with dependancies along the way?
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09:56<babilen>ComradeHaz`: You will have problems with dependencies, but in general that method will work FSVO "work"
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09:57<damiano546>hello everybody
09:57<damiano546>i have a chroot env...i have to create some hard question is: the user that will use the chroot env can follow this hardlink and do some changes at the system? if i create an hardlink to /etc/resolv.conf the user can change it? is better to copy or hardlinks? i have around 40-50 chroot ENVs
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09:57<babilen>ComradeHaz`: Either: Wait it out, reinstall or pin wheezy to 1001 and downgrade to it. (might break horrible and you are allowed to keep the pieces)
09:57<pkrzywicki>hi guys
09:57<pkrzywicki>just a quick one
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09:58<pkrzywicki>how to delete ' using sed from a file
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09:58<pkrzywicki>I have tried something like sed 's/\'//g' file and that did not work
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09:58<pkrzywicki>any ideas
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09:59<babilen>pkrzywicki: #sed on freenode please
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10:01<ComradeHaz`>lol babilen, I think I'll just carry on occasionally having funky bugs :)
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10:02<babilen>ComradeHaz`: Make sure you have apt-listbugs installed and follow the d-d and d-d-a and other mailing lists
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10:04<ComradeHaz`>thanks babilen, I will :)
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10:05<ComradeHaz`>hmm, babilen, d-d / d-d-a?
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10:51<hex>how r u
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11:00<zeglor>hi guys! i have a problem installing GNOME. Installation goes rather smoothy until the pyhon-louie extraction starts. Then system just freezes ant prints messages like BUG: CPU#0 stuck for 61 secs
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11:04<r4co0n>zeglor: Are you installing a specific version of gnome? By what means? To which operation system? What is your computer setup?
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11:09<hex>can any buddy help to hack gmail account????
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11:10<towo`>hex, go play elsewhere
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11:18<zeglor>r4co0n: sorry, was afk. i'm installing gnome avaliable on debian 6.0.1a assebmle, my processor is AMD Phenom II X4 B25, ATI Radeon HD 5700 graphics card and ASUS M4A77T motherboard
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11:19<cahoot>zeglor: the message is only a small part of the error - no?
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11:24<zeglor>cahoot: well the message was actually longer but the point is that installation process freezes and i can't do anything except pressing reset button. if that's what you meant
11:25<cahoot>zeglor: the rest is logged in syslog perhaps?
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11:26<r4co0n>zeglor: I remember some technology called pen and paper :P
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11:27<cahoot>zeglor: the point is - I think a more verbose output would help finding the real cause - kernel bug perhaps?
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11:28<zeglor>cahoot: sorry, i'm new to linux. i'll try to look up for syslog and send it to you
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11:28<cahoot>zeglor: send it to a pastebin
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11:29<felipe>vcs sao
11:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:29<felipe>do brasil
11:29<feanor_>well, compiled lastest gtkpod version with mp4v2
11:29<felipe>vc e gay
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11:30<feanor_>but when I add a video to a m4v to a playlist, it does not get it.
11:30<felipe>vc sao do brasil
11:30<feanor_>anyone know how to do this?
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12:08<jrd0>my server downstairs has an external raid enclosure attached to it, ive tested the transfer speeds from the raid to the os drive at about 70MB/s. to this computer mounting the drive as a samba share i am getting less than 1MB/s speed, ive checked the connections and both are correctly at 1gbps
12:08<jrd0>any idea what is causing it?
12:08<jrd0>ive also tried sftp transfer with only 2MB/s
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12:10<Alam_Lenny>jrd0: what is your MTU? do you have a hub or a switch? do you have a 100Mb/s+ connection?
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12:10<jrd0>they are both at 1000Mb/s
12:10<ompaul>and the hub is too?
12:10<ompaul>or switch ok
12:10<jrd0>ill paste the ethtool outputs sec
12:10<Alam_Lenny>no large frame support?
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12:12<jrd0>im at 10MB./s on this O_o
12:12<jrd0>i was looking at the wrong switch light
12:12<Alam_Lenny>Speed: 10Mb/s ?
12:13<jrd0>yea i was looking at the wrong lights
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12:13<zeglor>well i guess that's the log you needed
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12:14<ompaul>jrd0: ping between the two for 100 packets no other connetion activity shows what kind of speed for the average
12:14<jrd0>this is connected at 10mbps for some reason
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12:14<jrd0>ill reconnect see if it fixes
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12:18<SynrG>zeglor: you may need to remind people, as your original question is now a bit lost in the scroll :)
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12:20<SynrG>zeglor: thing is, i don't see the error you reported in that log
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12:20<zeglor>sure, sorry. i had a problem installing gnome - installation went up to "initializing python-louie" point after which the system hang
12:20<SynrG>can you indicate the exact time of the error?
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12:20<SynrG>relative to the timestamps in the log
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12:21<zeglor>SynrG: i guess it's about 16:25
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12:22<zeglor>i actually forgot the exact time :)
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12:24<zeglor>what i have now is half-installed gnome package which cant be deleted by "aptitude purge" command
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12:27<SynrG>zeglor: unsure how to proceed with this one, sorry
12:28<SynrG>nice system, btw :)
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12:29<zeglor>lol thanks. can you at least tell me how to delete this packege please?
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12:29<SynrG>how does it fail?
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12:30<SynrG>the problem sounds systemic, not package-specific, so i'm not sure removal of the package will help, here.
12:31<zeglor>umm. it said something about read-only tag for some files and invited me to use dkpg -- configure -a, which also hangs at certain point
12:31<SynrG>anyway, i gotta work. later
12:31<SynrG>pretty badly hosed, then. maybe some filesystem corruption
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12:31<SynrG>i'd 1. check for filesystem corruption 2. resolve 3. remove the package
12:32<SynrG>gotta go :)
12:32<cahoot>SynrG: he gets msgs like: BUG: CPU#0 stuck for 61 secs
12:32<SynrG>cahoot: saw that. mysterious
12:32*SynrG notes it's a multiprocessor system
12:32<SynrG>well, more than two i mean
12:33<zeglor>well it said only 2 cpus were stuck
12:33<SynrG>and there are some funky acpi messages in there. but searches on them yielded nothing interesting
12:33<SynrG>(maybe i just have poor google-fu today :p)
12:33<SynrG>but really ... back to work :)
12:33*SynrG punts it to cahoot
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12:34<zeglor>well thanks anyway :)
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12:47<sufrostico>hello?, anyone having trouble with an dist-upgrade and mysql on debian sid ?
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12:49<daemonkeeper>Better don't touch anything on sid right now.
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12:50<daemonkeeper>At least not related to updates :)
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12:50<sufrostico>daemonkeeper: too late
12:51<sufrostico>i screw up the mysql instalation...
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12:51<sufrostico>I mean, the running mysql
12:51<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: Yeah, people who run sid due to numberitis are going to upgrade/break first, ask questions later.
12:51<jhutchins_lt>daemonkeeper: They won't make backups.
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12:52<daemonkeeper>Right now about ~ 400 packages in sid are broken due to a perl transition which probably has impacts you would not imagine, as Perl is used $eveywhere.
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12:52<sufrostico>oks, thanks... danm numberitis...
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12:55<dominick>Hi! Is there a way to broadcast a wall message from another computer in LAN without using SSH?
12:56<sufrostico>daemonkeeper: nice, thanks
12:57<dominick>hi daemonkeeper! Remember me? I was trying to install debian on 50 PCs in LAN.
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12:58<dominick>daemonkeeper: I installed them, configured a server, and am testing puppet. Was wondering how to send a broadcast message to all the systems.
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12:59<daemonkeeper>dominick: What kind of message?
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13:00<dominick>daemonkeeper: Notifications. Something like wall does.
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13:01<daemonkeeper>Well, use wall?
13:01<jhutchins_lt>dominick: There's a samba method.
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13:01<dominick>daemonkeeper: that'll mean that I have to ssh into all the 50 PCs one after another.
13:01<daemonkeeper>dominick: dsh
13:01<daemonkeeper>Ore see jhutchins_lt
13:02<daemonkeeper>(for a Windows "net send" thingy)
13:02<dominick>jhutchins_lt: enlighten me please...
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13:03<dominick>daemonkeeper: what's dsh? dpkg doesn't know.
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13:04<daemonkeeper>(or related)
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13:10<dominick>daemonkeeper: dsh works awesum... i'll create a file with all the system names... thnx.
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13:20<MTecknology>When I try to install debian I end up wtih 'Release file signed by unknown key (key id AED4806F473041FA)' :S
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13:21<MTecknology>tty4 says the public key can't be found
13:22<dsr>MTecknology: retry the fetch a couple of times and it might succeed
13:22<themill>MTecknology: what installer are you using and what release are you asking it to install?
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13:22<dsr>not a solution but a workaround at best
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13:22<jhutchins_lt>MTecknology: What install medium are you using? What part of the IG are you following?
13:22<MTecknology>themill: stable from, i think, a business card iso
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13:23<dsr>installer guide
13:23<jhutchins_lt>!tell MTecknology about ig
13:23<themill>that's the right key for squeeze and a recent installer should include it. (an older installer might not)
13:23<MTecknology>i wasn't following one
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13:23<jhutchins_lt>MTecknology: If your image was from before February it's likely that the key changed.
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13:23<MTecknology>I doubt they installed debian since 6.0
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13:24<MTecknology>that'd make a lot of sense :)
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13:26<tittn>can anybody help me get the latest version of wine on my debian 6
13:27<retrospectacus>tittn: follow the directions on the wine website
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13:27<tittn>it states its available tru apt-get but thats version 1.0.1
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13:29<MTecknology>is there any place I can download the iso from? If it's outside of the domain, I need to have it pass through our web filter..
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13:30<retrospectacus>tittn: if you "need" a newer version, follow the link here
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13:31<MTecknology>I find it on, but get redirected to
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13:32<themill>MTecknology: that's one of the cdimage servers.
13:32<SynrG>retrospectacus, tittn: kai recently wrote about his recent upload to sid on planet:
13:32<SynrG>note that *is* for unstable. no promises that will work on squeeze.
13:33<MTecknology>themill: that's the one I'm trying to use, it redirects me to that other domain
13:33<SynrG>wrong paste
13:33<retrospectacus>I've always been fine with whatever came from apt-get
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13:33<retrospectacus>SynrG: I thought so ;)
13:34<SynrG>retrospectacus, tittn: meant to paste
13:34<SynrG>wrong again
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13:34<SynrG>third time's the charm :)
13:34<SynrG>somehow i clicked on the next article :p
13:35<SynrG>crap. i give up
13:35<SynrG>that's wrong too. shoot me now
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13:35<retrospectacus>yeah I was gonna say... post is unrelated
13:36<retrospectacus>!forgive SynrG
13:36<dpkg>Well, SynrG boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows SynrG head apart with .44 magnum*
13:36<SynrG>the *second* one was right
13:36<SynrG>but the title "Flatter option added ..." wtf???
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13:42<Franki>hi all.
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13:43<Franki>I sent out some improvements over bash-completion to the debian maintainer via e-mail last friday night /saturday morning, but haven't had any response yet. Is this normal? or should I send it to someone else?
13:44<babilen>Franki: File a bug report and attach your patch please.
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13:45<Franki>babilen: well, there is no real bug fix in it, just improvements and a few new things. Should I add a tag to the bug-report to indicate this?
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13:45<babilen>Franki: Make that a wishlist bug against the bash-completion package and tag it patch ... that should ensure that your work does not get lost. No idea how busy the maintainer is right no
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13:46<themill>Franki: I presume you sent nice discrete patches and explained each one separately? Maintainers are real people who do volunteer work for debian. It might be that the bash-completion maintainer normally looks at it on the 4th Thursday of the month and that is all. For something like bash-completion, that would be about often enough, too.
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13:48<Franki>themill: well, there is just 1 little diff in it. Of course I do explain what the improvements are. Most of the stuff is either a completion for something new, or a completion for on program that is completely rewritten, wouldn't make sense to file it as a diff
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13:55<plugwash>what is the form of the email address for emailing all the maintainers of a package?
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13:55<plugwash>is it <source package name> ?
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14:01<daemonkeeper>plugwash: Yes, but most (larger) packages may have a pkg-devel mailing list you can address anyway.
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14:01<daemonkeeper>plugwash: For the records:
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14:03<nyov>i'm having a problem with rsyslog, tls and /dev/urandom
14:03<nyov>"rsyslogd-2066: could not load module '/usr/lib/rsyslog/', dlopen: /usr/lib/rsyslog/ cannot open shared object file: Too many open files"
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14:05<nyov>basically it hits the filedescriptor limit with connections to /dev/urandom
14:06<nyov># ls -l /proc/279/fd | nl | tail -1
14:06<nyov> 1025lr-x------ 1 root root 64 2011-05-03 19:25 999 -> /dev/urandom
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14:10<nyov>now this happens to multiple LXC containers and the host rsyslog instance, so could this be because of missing entropy?
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14:10<nyov>also happened on multiple machines
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14:12<felipe>vcs chupao rola
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14:12<felipe>e delisioso ne
14:12<hassan>fuck you
14:12<felipe>am gozador
14:12<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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14:13<felipe>ta vao chupar rola entao
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14:29<idank>I recently installed a fresh Squeeze on an Intel SSD and been sporadically experiencing system hangs
14:29<idank>I found it happens after I idle for a few minutes
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14:29<idank>and then the instant I move the mouse the screen goes black
14:30<idank>but the keyboard is fine
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14:30<newb>Hello all. glxgears show fps in about 1200 for my last nvidia driver version for GeForce 8400 GS board. I found info at internet in about 5-6k fps. What can I do to solve this?
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14:30<idank>one time I had a terminal open and noticed some strange text just before the hang, but wasn't able to capture it
14:30<retrospectacus>idank: I'm thinking a hdd-spin-down powersaving mechanizm is at work
14:31<retrospectacus>poke in the power management settings
14:31<idank>retrospectacus: now in English :)
14:31<idank>retrospectacus: what should I be looking for?
14:33<idank>retrospectacus: it's unchecked for me
14:34<idank>but I have an SSD, I thought it doesn't spin ;)
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14:34<retrospectacus>true. If the system tried to "spin down" the SSD it could cause a problem
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14:38<idank>retrospectacus: I don't know if it's related but sometimes I get hangs when on shutdown
14:38<idank>the other day I got this:
14:38<retrospectacus>idank: anyways, messages in "dmesg" would be helpful but aren't really accessible if its hung
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14:39<retrospectacus>is that a custom-built kernel?
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14:39<idank>fresh from
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14:44<SuddenLife>what is the command for getting CPU information?
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14:45<babilen>SuddenLife: I guess you are thinking of: cat /proc/cpuinfo
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14:47<retrospectacus>idank: dunno. Maybe you can get lucky and see something in dmesg before it hangs
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14:49<Zathras>anyone any tips on the joy of upgrading exim/mailscanner from lenny to squeeze? local maildelivery no longer works. mailwatch does not give any new data etc
14:49<Zathras>any hints/tips appreciated
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14:50<Zathras>seems to have to do something with a new set of defaults in the Exim package
14:50<Zathras>making have 2 spools even a bit harder
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16:06<Guest4068>Hello World
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16:21<devil>!lenny squeeze
16:21*babilen hands devil a "dpkg" and a "->"
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16:22*devil was mentaly in the wrong channel :)
16:22<devil>dpkg lenny ->squeeze
16:22<dpkg>devil: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:22<babilen>heh :)
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16:22<brohelm>how does one open a .rar archive? Archive Manager says "Could not create the archive. Archive type not supported."
16:22<devil>dpkg lenny -> squeeze
16:22<dpkg>no idea, devil
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16:22<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
16:22<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
16:22<@Ganneff>devil: use /msg
16:23<devil>ah, thxx :)
16:23<babilen>devil: my pleasure -- /me bows
16:23<@Ganneff>less noise - less embarrassing
16:23<jaimesilva>hello there
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16:23<devil>Ganneff: i cant be embarrassed :)
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16:23<jaimesilva>which java IDE is best supported on Debian: Netbeans or Eclipse ?
16:23<babilen>brohelm: try unrar / unrar-nonfree
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16:24<babilen>jaimesilva: vim -- but I would probably just get NB from upstream and put it into /usr/local or ~/bin/ or so
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16:24<babilen>jaimesilva: Last time I checked it was pretty outdated on Debian
16:24<babilen>,version netbeans-ide
16:24<babilen>,versions netbeans-ide
16:24<judd>Package netbeans-ide on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-3
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16:25<brohelm>thank you babilen
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16:26<babilen>jaimesilva: eclipse is a bit better, but check yourself → -- /msg judd versions PKG -- rmadison PKG (from devscripts) -- apt-cache search eclipse
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16:28<TheVilleDuece>I broke GRUB2, windows started booting automatically again...I am running a Debian Live disc now but I'm not sure what set of commands to run to restore GRUB2 in the MBR
16:28<TheVilleDuece>Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
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16:29<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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16:29<alessandrodio>ragazi come funge?
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16:30<babilen>TheVilleDuece: Make sure you have os-prober installed
16:30<babilen>alessandrodio: Vattene via
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16:31<TheVilleDuece>Ill give that a try, switching to wireless, disconnecting for a moment
16:31<jaimesilva>babilen: I knew someone will say vim or emacs, I guess I'll have to get netbeans from upstream
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16:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:32<babilen>jaimesilva: I mentioned vim in jest, but still think it is a good choice. Hope you are happy with NB from upstream!
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16:36<juhaj>My flush-254:1 process is hung (state D). Is there anything I can do apart reboot? Most new processes become D as well and I suppose that kernel process is to blae
16:36<juhaj>blame, even
16:36<CageTheElephant>ok, I tried sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/root/ /mnt/; and received special device /dev/root/ does not exist
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16:37<TheVille>just realized im talking to a bot lol
16:38<babilen>TheVilleDuece: You probably want a real block device/partition like /dev/sda1 there
16:38<juhaj>TheVille: I hope it was not a long and deep conversation... =)
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16:38<TheVille>you are right
16:38<TheVille>i screwed up
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16:39<TheVille>ok, I tried sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sd03/ /mnt/; didnt work, does it have to be sda03?
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16:40<dvs>TheVille: Or just /dev/sda3
16:40<babilen>TheVille: /dev/sda3 probably -- try "fdisk -l"
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16:41<TheVille>what will happen when I do fdisk -1?
16:42<PIrr>shows your partitions
16:42<TheVille>yah just realized that when i typed it
16:42<daemonkeeper>-l perhaps
16:43<PIrr>must be -l
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16:43<TheVille>how do i scroll up? the info is cut off
16:43<daemonkeeper>| less
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16:43<PIrr>fdisk -l | less
16:44<PIrr>also possible: fdisk -l /dev/sda
16:45<TheVille>yah, im doing something wrong, it doesnt recognize |, ill try what you said PIrr. sorry for the noobness
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16:46<PIrr>the number 03 in sd03 you mentioned, is it from grub?
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16:46<PIrr>if so then your device is /dev/sda4
16:46<TheVille>I think linux is installed on sdb3
16:47<retrospectacus>TheVille, you can scrill up with <shift><pageUp>
16:47<TheVille>I was thinking sd03 because its the third partion, first drive
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16:47<PIrr>then sda3
16:47<TheVille>its /dev/sdb3/, lemme try to set of commands
16:47<Hauska>can anybody synch videos to iPod 4g, using gtkpod (lastest version 2.0)????
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16:50<TheVille>ok, im in the root now. I just run update-grub and grub-install now?
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16:51<PIrr>you have to mount proc first
16:51<PIrr>and dav too
16:51<PIrr>where did you mount / ?
16:51<TheVille>i used /mnt as the target
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16:52<TheVille>i have root#debian:/# right now at the command prompt
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16:52<PIrr>then mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
16:52<TheVille>done, already did chroot /mnt too
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16:53<PIrr>and mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
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16:53<PIrr>have you done that too?
16:54<TheVille>yes, I did this in the following order: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb3 /mnt/; mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev; mount -t proc non /mnt/proc; chroot /mnt
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16:55<PIrr>then update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda3 now
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16:55<PIrr>in your case
16:55<TheVille>type it exactly like that? "update-grub && grub-install /dev/sdb3"?
16:56<TheVille>f'in great
16:56<PIrr>&& means do the first command and if succesfully do the second
16:56<ravenbird>Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
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16:57<TheVille>could weird messages...Cannot find list of partitions (Try mounting /sys) and warn:attempting to install grub to a partition instead of MBR
16:57<babilen>make that "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever" (whatever == sda for example)
16:57<TheVille>i dont know how the word could got in there
16:58<TheVille>i should i have done sdb1 probably huh?
16:58<PIrr>update-grub && grub-install /dev/sda
16:58<PIrr>no, without number
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16:59<TheVille>sdb right?
16:59<TheVille>without number
16:59<TheVille>sda would be a different harddrive
17:00<TheVille>err atleast sda1 is a different HD
17:00<dvs>TheVille: You have to do sda to get the MBR right. If your BIOS supports booting from a different hard drive, I'd do sdb as well.
17:00<PIrr>what is on the first one?
17:00<TheVille>i dont know why sda1 is pointing to a different harddrive, its a SATA with corrupted data on it
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17:01<TheVille>the primary HD on my primary IDE channel is SDB
17:01<dvs>TheVille: OK, sdb it is.
17:02<PIrr>then grub-install to sdb if you can choose it for booting
17:02<TheVille>ok no errors but it gave the same "Cannot find list of partitions error...something to worry about?
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17:02<TheVille>no errors with error, hah
17:03<TheVille>k, ill reboot it now
17:03<PIrr>good luck
17:03<TheVille>ty very much
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17:05<TheVille>random question while im back in debian
17:05<TheVille>i have dual screen, is there anyway to make the primary screen with my menus on the screen on the right instead of the screen on the left?
17:06<retrospectacus>Alt-drag the panel across
17:06<TheVille>So Simply
17:06<retrospectacus>indeed :)
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17:06<PIrr>should be possible in every wm
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17:27<Hauska>hola satanas
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17:42<Hauska>can anybody synch video to iPod using gtkpod 2.0?
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17:45<TheVille>man, im just one problem after another
17:46<TheVille>Ok, i may be stepping outside the scope of whats appropriate to ask here so just yell at me if i am.
17:46<babilen>TheVille: yes?
17:47<TheVille>I got GRUB2 working the way I want, debian is on partion #3, I set a manual entry in GRUB for XP pointing to SD(0,2) partition #2 where xp resides
17:47<TheVille>I than added a third custom entry SD(0,1) for windows 7
17:47<TheVille>whenever I select it, some how it loads xp
17:47<TheVille>has be confused
17:48<babilen>TheVille: wasn't XP picked up by os-prober?
17:48<babilen>and win7 fwiw
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17:49<TheVille>well originally no, because xp wrote over win7's bootloader and GRUB over XP's
17:49<TheVille>so i had just finished manually fixing xp's ntldr boot.ini ect files
17:50<TheVille>and i was attempting to force booting win7 so i could see the error to start researching how to fix win7's bootloader
17:50<babilen>TheVille: That is not what I am talking about. Could you run "os-prober" and paste the output to please?
17:50<TheVille>itll take a few minutes, ill message back in here when I do
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17:52<TheVille>Its only 2 lines, sure you want me to paste it to that site?
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17:53<babilen>no, not necessarily :)
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17:53<babilen>TheVille: But please run "update-grub" as well and paste the whole output together
17:54<sombunall>can't find anything in /etc/init.d that would work
17:54<Hauska>libgpod, so what? what dio you mean with that link? i got it installed
17:54<streuner>"Most non-jailbroken iOS devices (iPod Touch, iPhone) are also supported with the notable exception of the iPad and the iPhone/iPod Touch 4 which are only supported as read-only devices."
17:55<babilen>TheVille: So, win7 and XP are detected. grub should configure a boot meny entry for both automagically. Doesn't that work?
17:55<sombunall>ahah init 1 worked!
17:55<Hauska>I got a Ipod nano 4th gen
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17:55<streuner>Hauska: you need a special format for ipods as well, gtkpod doesnt do that job...
17:55<babilen>sombunall: You switched the network
17:55<TheVille>Yah, after adding the win7 manually and updating grub it started to automatically detect win7 and winxp
17:55<Hauska>streuner what is that format? m4v?
17:56<TheVille>however selecting either win7 (autodetect entry or manual entry) boots winxp
17:56<Hauska>I ve been coding with handbrake to that format
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17:57<babilen>TheVille: os-prober should pick them up regardless of your grub configuration and is used by the update-grub scripts ( /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober in particular ) to configure other operating systems automatically. No need to to configure this manually
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17:57<sombunall>babilen, yeah I changed computers why?
17:57<TheVille>I understand that, do you want me to paste my 30_os-prober file?
17:58<babilen>sombunall: Just wanted to let you know, as some people might not understand what you are talking about without the context from #d on freenode
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17:59<streuner>Hauska: MPEG-4 and H.264
17:59<babilen>TheVille: No, I have it on my machine as well. So, update-grub configures entries for debian, xp and win7 but you can only boot debian? What happens when you try the others?
17:59<Hauska>streuner: I got that files
17:59<streuner>Hauska: but thats not all, it needs special parameter in order to able to sync. ...
17:59<Hauska>dowloaded, and some created by myself...
17:59<TheVille>looks like boot.ini on the windows7 partition is pointing it to xp's partition
18:00<babilen>TheVille: That shouldn't be your /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober file -- the file is a script that does the configuration automatically
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18:00<TheVille>babilen, debian boots debian, xp boots xp, win7 boots xp
18:00<babilen>TheVille: Please don't edit scripts in /etc/grub.d/
18:00<TheVille>but i think i figured it out
18:00<Hauska>what parameter...
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18:01<TheVille>I didnt put that there, that was done automatically by GRUB
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18:01<TheVille>i manually edited 40_custom
18:01<streuner>Hauska: video specifications, you need exactly what ipods are able to use...
18:01<babilen>TheVille: Ok
18:01<Hauska>streuner: where to check that?
18:02<streuner>well, just google :-)
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18:02<TheVille>Does my 30_os-prober code look wrong
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18:02<TheVille>Would it really hurt to manually edit say: The Menuentry title?
18:03<streuner>Hauska: apple stuff is usually a PITA
18:03<babilen>TheVille: /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober should be
18:04<streuner>Hauska: for Linux User
18:04<TheVille>ah your right, sorry about that. I pulled those lines from the grub.cfg file
18:04<babilen>TheVille: You probably edited it. It is part of the "grub-common" package.
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18:05<TheVille>Now I understand why you said that :0
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18:06<babilen>TheVille: \o/
18:06<sombunall>babilen, its the stangest thing I ever saw. 1000 people on one server and 500 on another for the same chatroom? how is anything supposed to be synchronized that way? Guess I don't understand something
18:06<streuner>Hauska: as we told you before, there is a little package (mp4tools) in DMM, but it didnt work well for me, maybe you have more luck
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18:07<babilen>sombunall: These are two different networks ( and
18:07<sombunall>babilen, then how can we still be talking to each other?
18:07<daemonkeeper>You can't
18:07<Hauska>streuner: what is that used for?
18:07<babilen>sombunall: I hang out on both networks :)
18:08<streuner>Hauska: it converts video files
18:08<daemonkeeper>Unless people are in both networks, you can't talk to each other
18:08<Hauska>streuner: I convert with HandBrake.
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18:08<Hauska>no problem converting video
18:08<babilen>sombunall: I just wanted to let you know that you switched networks -- You can't talk to people in #debian on freenode from here unless they are *also* on OFTC
18:08<streuner>Hauska: hm, never heard of that software -
18:09<Hauska>but gtkpod does not load any m4v nor m4a vidoes...
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18:09<sombunall>babilen, oh I thought i copied the server information exactly, wierd
18:10<Hauska>no problem converting! but adding files to gtkpod
18:10<Hauska>it just doe snothing.
18:10<babilen>Hauska: It has already been mentioned that 4g ipods are only supported as read-only devices by libgpod and therefore by all programs that use this library
18:10<Hauska>not even complain on errors.
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18:11<Hauska>babilen, really?
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18:11<babilen>Hauska: ipod touch 4 that is actually -- yes, check (end of the second paragraph)
18:11<Hauska>I got iPod nano
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18:12<Hauska>mine is not an iPod touch, is an iPod nano 4g
18:12<streuner>and you think 4g nano and touch are different? hm
18:13<Hauska>are not?
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18:13<Hauska>you mean that are the same, because are 4rth gen... ?
18:14<babilen>no, that is not what I meant. I thought you had an iPod Touch 4
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18:16<babilen>No idea about ipods, worked fine with my ipod photo and that shit is not needed with decent players like an iAudio9
18:16<Hauska>no I got an iPod nano 4g
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18:17<Hauska>is this one, but with 16GB
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18:18<babilen>Hauska: I would recommend to ask in #gtkpod on freenode, as they might know more about it. lists other options. A post to debian-user with as many details as possible might also be a good idea, given that you try to get this to work for a couple of days already
18:18<nyov>I believe I have that one, 8gb. works fine here
18:18<Hauska>I go to sleep now.. frustrated again :p
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18:18<Hauska>see you
18:18<streuner>nyov: what do you use to convert videos?
18:19<Tiff>there's bug report against certain iPod comms libs
18:19<nyov>streuner: heh got me there. i don't use it for videos
18:19<Hauska>nyov, for video synch?
18:19<Tiff>can only get them to work from libs in testing branch
18:19<Tiff>may be relevant
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18:25<weedeater64>I purged iceweasel, now when I run surfraw it opens chromium, fine. But It doesn't go to elvi, just goes to the homepage set in chromium preferences
18:25<weedeater64>What can be done ?
18:25<retrospectacus>change the homepage set in chromium preferences?
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18:26<weedeater64>Do you know what surfraw is ?
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18:27<weedeater64>Your answer makes it sound like you do not.
18:27<retrospectacus>nor "elvi"
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18:30<weedeater64>Well it is a very cool app, that lets you run searches from the command line using defined websites (elvi), ie.. google, wiki, shoutcast... Worked fine with iceweasel, and still does with w3m, but chromium, not so much.
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18:31<nyov>streuner: you have me curious. how would i sync videos with gtkpod? doesn't look supported
18:31<SynrG>are you saying that before you purged iceweasel it worked fine with chromium? you paired those two things like it was significant
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18:32<weedeater64>No, it worked fine with iceweasel as default, it now defaulst to chromium, but doesn't open elvi page, instead just goes to homepage.
18:33<streuner>nyov: if its supported by libgpod, why not?
18:33<retrospectacus>weedeater64: ah yes I have heard of that. I suspect there is a slightly different syntax: iceweasel ?? <url> vs. chromium ?? <url>
18:33<retrospectacus>where ?? is some flags
18:33<nyov>the package says "manage songs and playlists"
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18:33<nyov>ok so libgpod can but gtkpod doesn't ?
18:34<retrospectacus>weedeater64: perhaps a tweak in /etc/surfraw or ~/.surfraw or some such
18:34<streuner>nyov: we just arent sure, if the 4th generation ipod nano is supported, touch isnt
18:35<streuner>nyov: i cannot see something at the website or at the source of libgtkpod
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18:36<nyov>well I checked the gtkpod interface and maybe I missed it, but i can't see anything related to videos, only artwork
18:36<weedeater64>I have neither /etc/surfraw or ~/.surfraw , running openbox on squeeze, and there is also no .config/surfraw
18:37<Aleric>What is the name of the current debian stable?
18:37<nyov>ok so it's unclear if the library supports video at all?
18:37<retrospectacus>Aleric, squeeze
18:37<Aleric>Thank you
18:37<weedeater64>whereis gives, surfraw: /usr/bin/surfraw /usr/lib/surfraw /usr/lib64/surfraw /usr/share/man/man1/surfraw.1.gz
18:37<streuner>nyov: its unclear to me, if libgtkpod supports ipod 4th nano
18:38<nyov>streuner: it does for audio here, but if video *in general* is supported I can dig and try here
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18:42<streuner>nyov: btw, Hauska mentioned handbrake, it seems a fine converting software, its available at DMM
18:43<weedeater64>google -browser=chromium-browser keyword
18:43<weedeater64>that works
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18:44<weedeater64>Not to keen on adding aliases for every elvi though.
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18:44<weedeater64>meh, for now that'll work.
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18:47<nyov>streuner: maybe i'll check it out. how does it compare to ffmpeg?
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18:49<streuner>nyov: well, handbrake-gtk has video specificatons specially for ipods, no need to give parameter
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18:50<streuner>nyov: i think, thats a big advantage
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18:55<woodgrain>what happened to #debian? Used to be 800 online ... now 457 ?
18:55<themill>woodgrain: there are > 1000 nicks over on freenode. (oftc has never been that big)
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18:56<woodgrain>themill, oh, I see. I'm usually over there. my bad.
18:57<woodgrain>is the nvidia-glx in any debian repositories or do you have to go off-planet?
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18:57<babilen>!tell woodgrain -about nvidia
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18:58<babilen>woodgrain: You are probably after the -dkms package or the -lagacy ones if you have an older card
18:58<retrospectacus>it's in non-free
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19:05<aussa>hi, is there a nvidia channel in here?
19:06<retrospectacus>#nvidia on
19:06<babilen>aussa: If you use Debian, you might want to stay with Debian's packages though. (just saying)
19:08<aussa>why is that?
19:09<daemonkeeper>Because external packages are messengers of an upcoming apocalypse
19:09<babilen>aussa: Because we (i.e. #debian) do not support the packages from and because -- /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks
19:09<daemonkeeper>Doomsday will come!
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19:12<aussa>Do I have to update Xorg in the case it is updated?
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19:13<babilen>If there are Xorg updates it is a good decision to install these security updates, yes.
19:14<aussa>the problem is nvidia debian package does not support my video card... should I wait then?
19:15<aussa>or do I install the unestable version?
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19:27<aussa>how do I make security updates?
19:28<quant>aptitude upgrade
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19:29<dpkg>Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
19:29*jhutchins_lt wanders off to sharpen his fingers.
19:30<nyov>what repository management software would you recommend if I want to combine a partial official mirror with putting custom packages in?
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19:32<themill>nyov: why not have two separate repos for this one -- a cached/proxied/partial mirror (depending on what you need) and your custom repo. (use reprepro for the custom repo)
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19:32<nyov>i checked out reprepro, but maybe there is better things
19:32<nyov>themill: I thought about that
19:33<nyov>themill: can you recommend something to automagically fetch-and-cache requested packages? is that viable?
19:34<aussa>how do I move a window to other workspace using the keyboard?
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19:34<themill>nyov: there are many; "/msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng" for one
19:34<nyov>I came upon apt-proxy, apt-cacher and others, but haven't managed the big picture yet
19:34<nyov>themill: will do
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19:36<retrospectacus>aussa: try Ctrl-Shift-Alt-Left/Right
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19:36<TheVille>Is it possible to remove os-prober entries and go with manual entries? It may sound petty but I don't like the way os-prober is labeling the selections
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19:37<TheVille>oh, sorry...this is in reference to GRUB2
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19:44<nyov>TheVille: if you don't update-grub, you can edit the labels in grub.cfg -- but the next time you upgrade that kernel they'll be gone
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19:48<TheVille>so manually edit grub.cfg for a temporary solution?
19:48<TheVille>sounds good to me
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19:49<nyov>TheVille: you can add your custom entries in 40_custom or in a /boot/grub/custom.cfg
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19:49<TheVille>yah but than i have duplicates coming from os-prober
19:50<TheVille>thats why i was looking for a way to disable it, but i can settle for manually removing the os-prober entires
19:50<nyov>yes, only meant if you have additional entries
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19:51<TheVille>ah, i understand
19:52<babilen>TheVille: No, don't do that. Disable os-prober (IIRC GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER in /etc/default/grub) and put whatever you want in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
19:52<TheVille>i was reading on the internet that the tag didnt work, but i didnt try it myself
19:53<TheVille>ill give it a go
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19:53<nyov>heh was just about to suggest that
19:53<babilen>TheVille: It is tested in 30_os-prober
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19:54<TheVille>it worked
19:55<TheVille>That is my final question of the day! YES! All my OS's are booting correctly!
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19:55<TheVille>Ya'll have been amazingly helpful, you especially babilen. TY again & again
19:56<babilen>Have a good night :)
19:56<TheVille>you too
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20:09<quant>hello, I wanted to see a list of packages available in backports (not to search it), can I do that?
20:09<themill>!bpo contents
20:09<dpkg>To see a list of packages that are available to you from Debian Backports, first add to your sources (ask me about <debian-backports>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed Debian Backports packages, ask me about <bdo list>.
20:10<quant>themill, any way to do it without adding the repo?
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20:12*abrotman curses themill for using!@
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20:13<quant>themill, I get 404 for that
20:13<themill>meh. use a mirror
20:13<quant>themill, ty
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20:16<nyov>abrotman: what's wrong with it? overloaded?
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20:23<abrotman>nyov: it's generally considered a poor mirror to use
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20:55<tharkun>Gentlemen i need to trace how the lookup of an ip address is done. Since i am having trouble reaching some sites. I know there is a tool i am just unable to remember the name. Anyone pointing me in the right direction?
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20:55<abrotman>i believe dig has that option
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20:56<sney>could it be you're looking for 'traceroute'?
20:57<tharkun>sney: no, traceroute is not what i am looking for
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20:57<tharkun>abrotman: let me look into dig afaik it does not have it
20:58<babilen>tharkun: as abrotman already mentioned: dig @IP.OF.YR.NS +trace
20:58<tharkun>nyov: thanks
20:58<babilen>ugh, PHP
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20:59<nyov>it's in the repo, as dnstracer
21:00<nyov>that is just the info page
21:00<sney>don't mind babilen, he has an allergy
21:00<tharkun>nyov: thanks, apt-get install dnstracer did the trick ;P
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21:01<abrotman>dig can do it too!
21:01<nyov>or drill
21:01<tharkun>babilen: dig ... +trace gives me a different set of results. Thanks anyway
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21:02<tharkun>now for the 64,000 usd solution how can i fix a government dns fuckup using my dns server?
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21:05<babilen>tharkun: your dns server? why not use one of the free resolvers? / come to mind
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21:06<tharkun>the full problem is this has this as ip. TTL is somewhere near 2 hrs. but there is a fubar somewhere down the line ( checked using two different tools thanks to nyov and abrotman )and when the initial TTL expires it will no longer get the matching ip
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21:06<tharkun>babilen: i do serve some domains from this serves where i am an authority there
21:07<aussa>does mesa supports OpenGL?
21:07<tharkun>babilen: And at the moment i am waiting for the TTL to expire on which happens to be google dns servers
21:08<nyov>babilen: ugh you recommend that google server? bääh
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21:09<tharkun>nyov: i am sure babile proposed the freeresolvers as testing material.
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21:09<babilen>nyov: Care to elaborate? I recommended two distinct free DNS servers, one is from Google. a few more on this list, but not applicable anyway
21:09<nyov>tharkun: sure.. :]
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21:11<nyov>babilen: oh just a personal vendetta maybe. I only dislike the mass on data they get and can datamine with all their strategically places services
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21:11<aussa>the current debian nvidia package does not support my video card, is it safe to install anyway?
21:11<nyov>and correlate...
21:11<babilen>Ack, use HE's then as a fallback if you don't run your own resolver.
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21:12<tharkun>aussa: yes it is safe. according to yourstatement it will be useless
21:12<sney>aussa: what card is that?
21:12<aussa>geforce gt 425m
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21:13<sney>oof, brand new
21:13<sney>hi Sqweeb
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21:14<sney>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
21:14<judd>Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 260.19.44-1; experimental/non-free: 270.30-1; sid/non-free: 270.41.06-1
21:14<sney>I wonder if you can ssb the nvidia drivers.
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21:15<sney>sid self-backport, it's a process to build a package from a newer release on stable
21:16<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
21:16<sney>sometimes it doesn't work, but the worst that can happen is a build failure
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21:19<aussa>:S .... I will wait, thank you...
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21:20<DerpDerp|laptop>Does anyone know how to fix "E: Encountered a section with no Package: Header | E: Problem with Mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_main_binary-amd64_packages" when running apt-get update or apt-get install gnome? I've tried "rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf" and then running apt-get update, but it just gives me errors and tells me to run apt-cdrom. After I do that
21:20<DerpDerp|laptop>I'm back at square 1.
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21:21<DerpDerp|laptop>It's a new install, is it just bigged on this machine or something?
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21:31<tharkun>babilen, nyov, sney: I'll fetch some dinner and be back in about 1624 secs Time enough for the TTL to expire on googles dns servers
21:31<tharkun>Thanks for everything
21:31<nyov>good luck
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21:32<meglaw>so i got this laptop here... no cd, no floppy, wont boot from pxe or usb.... but it does have grub and /boot i think, i just dont remember the passwords to the disks... can i do a netinstall with this somehow or is removing the disk and doing a hdd prepere install the only way?
21:33<mercutio32>is /etc/X11/xorg.conf gone? I don't see it on my system..
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21:34<nyov>DerpDerp: can you lose the cdrom sources, make a minimal sources.list, and try that rm again?
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21:34<abrotman>mercutio32: that's normal .. you create one if you need it
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21:35<nyov>meglaw: is that a grub2 ?
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21:35<mercutio32>abrotman: it seems my screen resolution is messed up.
21:36<abrotman>in what? with which driver?
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21:36<meglaw>1.98-1 it says at the top
21:36<mercutio32>abrotman: is there a simple command to reconfigure the Xserver settings
21:36<abrotman>Xorg -configure or something like that
21:36<DerpDerp>Sure, let me find a working sources.list
21:37<nyov>meglaw: hm maybe you can chainload somewhere with that. i need to check
21:37<abrotman>!squeeze sources.list
21:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb squeeze main" and "deb squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list".
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21:38<meglaw>nyov: it has to detect a pcmcia wlan card to get net. :) i guess it will take me less time to rip it out i think...
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21:38<nyov>meglaw: ouch
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21:43<DerpDerp>Commented the old bits out, used what dkpg just threw up. Then I got a GPG error saying that "The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2", the same errors as before telling me to apt-cdrom add, and "some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead".
21:43<DerpDerp>apt-dsrom add worked fine, now I'm waiting on apt-get update
21:44<DerpDerp>Yeah, same error as what I started with.
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21:50<nyov>DerpDerp: are these older cdrom sources?
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21:50<nyov>lenny maybe?
21:51<DerpDerp>nope, squeeze netinstall downloaded yesterday off the debian site.
21:52<nyov>and it worked until you added the net-sources?
21:52<DerpDerp>net-sources? No, this is a fresh install. Hold on...
21:53<nyov>i meant the internet mirrors
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21:55<DerpDerp>The installation went weird because I forgot that my apartment has this weird internet setup where I have to log into a page and enter the MAC address of the machine that I want to connect to the internet before it has any access at all. Obviously, that's not going to jive well with a netinstall. But I figured that I could just grab the new MAC address, enter it in the stupid site so my machine
21:55<DerpDerp>could access the internet, uncomment out sources.list and run some updates to get a functioning system.
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21:55<DerpDerp>Except, for some reason apt-get is a trainwreck.
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21:56<DerpDerp>Yes, I have internet access now, lol.
21:57<nyov>maybe some strange mangling coming through that proxy
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21:58<nyov>do you use ftp urls or http? maybe try switching them
21:58<DerpDerp>http, and I'll go do that
21:58<nyov>if you have ftp unproxied it might work
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22:01<DerpDerp>Not it just goes straight to "unable to fetch (file)"
22:01<dominique_>could someone help me get my audio card to work?
22:01<DerpDerp>now, even
22:01<dominique_>i guess the installation package didn't get it
22:02<dominique_>so now i can't hear anything
22:02<nyov>so no ftp, or that mirror does not support it
22:03<DerpDerp>probably the latter, I'm looking for ones that do
22:04<nyov>can you access ftp sites in general? e.g. in a browser
22:05<DerpDerp>Oh, yeah
22:09<nyov>check the one for your country code works too, then put it as the only line in your sources.list: deb squeeze main
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22:10<nyov>if that doesn't work, well damn
22:11<DerpDerp>Well, that was the one I was using, except it had contribs and non-free after it. Waiting on apt-get to do its thing.
22:11<DerpDerp>and nothing
22:11<nyov>ok, but should be contrib without an 's'
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22:12<nyov>what? what's the error?
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22:13<DerpDerp>heh, which one? There's a bunch of "unabled to connect to", W: Failed to fetch, and the old "some index files failed to download, etc"
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22:13<nyov>do you need a proxy to get internet? or is it working transparent?
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22:14<nyov>I suppose your chatting from another machine?
22:14<DerpDerp>completely transparent
22:14<nyov>ok that is strange
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22:15<aussa>is there a lyx channel?
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22:16<nyov>wait did you say it should be
22:16<DerpDerp>i'll go look
22:17<nyov>what does host say on that box?
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22:18<DerpDerp> gives the same thing
22:18<DerpDerp>-bash: host: command not found
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22:19<DerpDerp>ping works
22:19<nyov>was about to suggest that
22:20<DerpDerp>christ, is it ever going to stop pinging?
22:20<DerpDerp>there it goes
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22:21<DerpDerp>the only thing I can think of is that my (new) cd is somehow busted, which broke the install
22:22<nyov>do you have anything network-related on that box, telnet, wget, ...?
22:23<DerpDerp>4 min until this CD iso is finished downloading, hopefully a fresh install will fix it
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22:23<nyov>well if it can resolve the name, I have no idea what is wrong with the download
22:23<DerpDerp>No idea
22:23<DerpDerp>hopefully this new CD will do the trick
22:24<planet8>Where would be the right place to edit in order to get a particular program to autostart upon login? Not at boot, but only for one particular user when he logs in.
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22:24<planet8>Normally I would use kde autostart but I'm not using kde on this machine.
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22:25<nyov>planet8: what are you using then
22:25<nyov>put it in your ~/.xinitrc
22:25<planet8>nyov, thanks!
22:26<nyov>make sure it returns, as put an & behind the command
22:26<planet8>yes, I know, thanks :)
22:26<nyov>otherwise it hangs and won't start your xfce
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22:30<nyov>oh just figured xfce has an xfce4-autostart-editor
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22:35<Vlam>xfce is missing a lot of things. A menu editor like GNOME for one
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22:37<nyov>well damn
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22:44<DerpDerp>almost done reinstalling, I hope like hell that it works this time
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22:45<nyov>DerpDerp: good luck
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22:48<pufa>can somebody help me installing
22:48<pufa>my wifi broadcom bcm4312?
22:50<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI-ID 14e4:4312 is a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer.
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22:52<pufa>in synaptic pack manager
22:52<pufa>when i type b43, it show me 4 files
22:52<pufa>2nd and 3th can be
22:52<pufa>only 1 of them
22:53<pufa>only this? not 4th?
22:53<nyov>only this
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22:54<pufa>i use wicd, but there is no wireless network :(
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22:55<pufa>ifconfig -a don`t show wireless card
22:56<nyov>abrotman: ok i am confused with this wiki page
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22:58<pufa>what about "wl"
22:59<pufa>in sinaptic wl is..... somethihg for news :)
22:59<nyov>it seems inferior from what i read
22:59<nyov>aptitude install wireless-tools
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23:00<pufa>is it problem if i type it in synaptic packet manager and install from it?
23:00<nyov>do that
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23:00<nyov>pufa: what does that say: modprobe b43 | lsmod | grep b43
23:02<pufa>nothing :)
23:02<pufa>ok. i`ll do it :)
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23:04<pufa>i have wireless-tools from yesterday, but installed via syn. pack. man
23:04<DerpDerp>wow, now ifconfig doesn't work now
23:04<pufa>to remove from them, and use aptitude?
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23:04<nyov>pufa: doesn not matter. no thats alright
23:05<pufa>ok. what to do now?
23:05<nyov>how about that modprobe command.
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23:05<pufa>modprobe b43?
23:06<nyov>modprobe b43 | lsmod | grep b43
23:06<pufa>empty :)
23:06<nyov>as root
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23:06<nyov>dmesg | tail
23:07<pufa>here to paste or in external site?
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23:07<nyov>shouldn't be many lines?
23:07<pufa>modprobe have 9 lines :)
23:08<pufa>dmesg also 9-10 lines....
23:08<aussa>how do I use aspell or any spell checker with lyx?
23:08<nyov>huh? ok use pastebin
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23:10<nyov>pufa: iwconfig
23:10<nyov>does that say something?
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23:10<pufa>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any
23:10<pufa> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=27 dBm
23:10<pufa> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
23:10<pufa> Encryption key:off
23:10<pufa> Power Management:off
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23:11<pufa>sorry about this :)
23:11<nyov>ifconfig wlan0 up
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23:11<pufa>it`s up :)
23:11<nyov>oh I'm impressed
23:11<nyov>is it working, also?
23:11<pufa>now wicd show me my wireless
23:12<pufa>but signal si -72dbm (not 72dbm)
23:12<pufa>is it normal?
23:12<nyov>signal strength is negative, that's ok
23:12<pufa>10x for now
23:12<pufa>i`ll unplug cable
23:12<pufa>to test wireless
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23:15<pufa>i use wpa2. in properties next to my wireless i choose wpa 1/2 passphrase (on my other laptop with slackware work with this)
23:16<pufa>but here it says bad password. I`m absolutely shure, that password is correct
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23:16<DerpDerp|laptop>not sure if that went through...
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23:17<nyov>pufa: i guess you might need wpasupplicant
23:18<nyov>anyone correct me if i'm wrong
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23:18<pufa>i have it
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23:19<nyov>pufa: do you use network-manager?
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23:20<pufa>yes. Wicd
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23:21<nyov>oh, I don't know that one
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23:21<nyov>but check your syslog for information, anyway. less +F /var/log/syslog then Ctrl-C
23:22<nyov>maybe it says something related to your problem
23:23<pufa>ok. recommend me other network manager
23:23<nyov>I'd rather not
23:25<pufa>why not?
23:25<nyov>I don't like NetworkManager
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23:26<sney>wicd is pretty good
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23:26<pufa>ok. but it can`t connect me to my wireless :(
23:27<sney>pufa: can you connect manually?
23:27<pufa>mmmmmmmmmmmm. i don`t know how :)
23:27<nyov>i can see that here, wpa_supplicant[1223]: Failed to initiate AP scan.
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23:28<pufa>what does it mean?
23:28<pufa>it can`t scan for ap?
23:29<sney>that's what it says
23:29<pufa>then how it see it and show signal?
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23:31<nyov>sney: does wicd detect and setup wpa_supplicant itself? maybe it's using the wrong driver?
23:32<sney>it has defaults yeah but iirc there is a dialog to change it
23:32<nyov>also it only mentions the broadcom wl driver
23:32<sney>gross, broadcom
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23:32<dvs>it's awful, but it works.
23:33<nyov>he installed the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
23:33<nyov>not the wl stuff
23:33<nyov>soo, I don't know if that works out the box with wpa-s
23:33<sney>yeah I was just wondering that
23:35<nyov>google wpa_supplicant b43 -- maybe you're faster than me
23:35<sney>unlikely, since I'm currently eating
23:36<pufa>in preferences ot wicd i saw wpa supp. driver: wext (also have nl80211 and ralink_legacy)
23:36<pufa>if this can help....
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23:37<sney>wext is wireless extensions, and iirc b43 is a mac80211 driver... so you should be good
23:37<sney>yeah, it is
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23:39<pufa>which or what?
23:40<sney>wext is the one to use that should work with b43.
23:40<nyov>pufa: can you do lspci and paste some line mentioning broadcom ?
23:40<pufa>i start wpa_gui and then in field status is labeled : could not get status from wpa_supplicant
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23:41<pufa>04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
23:41<aussa>how do I use aspell or any spell checker with lyx?
23:41<pufa>and broadcom is also lan card
23:42<nyov>pufa: well looks like the firmware is correct. just double-checking
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23:42<nyov>sney: fyi thats how it loaded
23:43<nyov>so i'm clueless here
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23:43<sney>either it's a configuration issue, or b43 can't do wpa
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23:45<pufa>somewhere in 1 forum, 1 people say that he haave problem with b43, so remove it and use broadcom_sta.....
23:45<pufa>but i don`t save link. I read it yesterday
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23:46<pufa>how to try console connection? may be it show more info about the problem?
23:46<nyov>pufa: whats your kernel version?
23:46<pufa>how to check it?
23:47<nyov>uname -r
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23:48<pufa>in /usr/src i have broadcom-sta.tar.bz2 and 1 .deb file broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64_5.60.48.36-2+2.6.32-33_amd64.deb
23:48<pufa>and alsa-driver.tar.bz2
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23:55<nyov>pufa: is this empty? lsmod | grep wl
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23:56<nyov>what does /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log tell you?
23:56<nyov>maybe pastebin it
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23:58<pufa>there is nothing about wpa.....
23:58<pufa>There is dir for wicd
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