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---Logopened Wed May 04 00:00:10 2011
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00:11<pufa>did somebodu write after me?
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00:12<pufa>Syste crashed, and again there is no wireless card :(
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00:19<nyov>pufa: sorry
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00:20<nyov>pufa: lsmod | grep b43
00:20<sney>I'd help out but I really don't know the first thing about wpa
00:20<nyov>is it loaded?
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00:21<pufa>b43 don`t return
00:21<nyov>sney: looks pretty sad here,
00:22<pufa>why b43 don`t load after reboot?
00:22<nyov>pufa: it should get loaded, is it maybe in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
00:23<pufa>no no. there is no b43 in blacklist.conf
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00:23<nyov>modprobe b43
00:24<gsimmons>b43 is blacklisted by /etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sta-common.conf, if you have the broadcom-sta-common package installed.
00:24<nyov>gsimmons: ty!
00:24<pufa>modprobe b43 up my wireless :)
00:24<pufa>i`ll see
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00:24<nyov>pufa: purge that broadcom sta stuff you mentioned earlier. i guess it's installed
00:25<pufa>yes. it`s in broadcom-sta-common.
00:25<nyov>gsimmons: or is that one better?
00:25<pufa>so i`ll comment that line (b43)
00:25<pufa>there is also b43legacy. to comment it?
00:27<pufa>i have broadcom-sta common and source. Also b43-fwcutter
00:27<nyov>well, crap! how many drivers are there for that thing
00:27<pufa>on which?
00:28<pufa>and also firmware-b43-lpphy-installer :)
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00:28<nyov>pufa: ok that broadcom-sta-common belongs to the wl driver, purge it
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00:29<nyov>pufa: backup the deb in /usr/src if you want to try that later
00:29<pufa>only common or common and source?
00:30<nyov>not the source,
00:30<nyov>though it will just download and build it again if you install that package I guess
00:30<nyov>so no harm done
00:31<pufa>i do it
00:31<pufa>and rename file in /usr/src to ******.deb.backup
00:31<pufa>and now? :)
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00:31<pufa>brb to try wifi
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00:35<nyov>whooo I got irssi-python to build, after all
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00:36<nyov>man i'm gettin old - wrong chan, sry
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00:37<pufa>can`t connect :(
00:37<pufa>I also try wifi to my neighbour with wpa, but again say bad password
00:37<pufa>on my wifi with wpa2 is the same...
00:38<nyov>did you apt-get purge broadcom-sta-common broadcom-sta-source
00:38<nyov>but i guess it won't help
00:38<pufa>May be after 10-11 hour can continue, because after 10min i must go to work :(
00:38<pufa>no. only common
00:38<nyov>ok :(
00:38<pufa>to purge source?
00:38<nyov>here if you want to try the other one later, good info
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00:39<pufa>what about sta-source? to keep it or remove?
00:39<nyov>you can keep it
00:42<nyov>well i'm wasted. laters
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00:47<pufa>i`ll go
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00:48<pufa>10x to all
00:48<pufa>see u later
00:48<pufa>have a nice day :)
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00:57<aussa>where is ".bashrc" ?
00:59<sney>in your home directory
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01:01<unxbm3r1>aussa: type cd ; cat .bashrc
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02:23<Guest4120>Hi. How would I switch eth0 with eth1 in squeeze?
02:24<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
02:24<Guest4120>Awesome, thanks.
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02:42<george_>why isn't openjdk available in the repos?
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02:43<ansgar>george_: It is. openjdk-6-jdk, openjdk-7-jdk
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02:45<george_>ansgar: ohh alright, i tried just openjdk and it didn't find package
02:45<yangzhiwei2>yangzhiwei hello
02:45<yangzhiwei2>:yangzhiwei hello
02:45<george_>ansgar: does it perform as well as the closed-source sun java?
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02:45<yangzhiwei2>:yangzhiwei test
02:45<ansgar>george_: I don't use it myself.
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02:46<ansgar>george_: (as I don't use Java)
02:46<george_>ansgar: u don't run java at all?
02:46<yangzhiwei>:yangzhiwei2 test
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02:47<george_>ansgar: alright, thanks :)
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02:51<george_>well u learn something new everyday, openjdk doesn't work with minecraft
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03:09<evaluate>Are there any estimates on how long the perl transition might take?
03:09<gpm>a month
03:09<gpm>i don't know shit sorry
03:10<gpm>that's my best estimate... based on basically nothing
03:10<evaluate>I have a dev box that is currently unusable because I can't install linux-image...
03:10<gpm>that's rough
03:10<gpm>why can't you install it?
03:11<evaluate>Because it indirectly depends on perlapi-5.10.1, which is uninstallable
03:11<gpm>oh on sid?
03:11<gpm>yeah that happens
03:11<gpm>i have no idea sorry.
03:11<EmleyMoor>I have tried to compile and install gnome-inform7, but it crashes like this when I run it:
03:11<gpm>you could probably try installing one from wheezy?
03:12<gpm>just snatch the .deb and dpkg -i it
03:13<evaluate>gpm, if you mean the linux-image, I'd guess it isn't the only one which got borked during the most recent update...
03:13<gpm>that's what i meant.
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03:13<gpm>EmleyMoor: why not use the deb on their website?
03:13<evaluate>I'll try and see if I can find a perlapi .deb though, that might help...
03:14<gpm>lotsa deb hunting
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03:14<gpm>and possibly waiting
03:14<gpm>this is part of the risk of running sid
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03:14<gpm>it is called unstable for a reason
03:14<evaluate>Yeah, yeah, I know... :-p
03:15<evaluate>I usually used testing for creating my packages, got advised to use sid though, and that's what came out of it... :-p
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03:15<EmleyMoor>gpm: It's unsuitable fol squeeze/amd64
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03:15<EmleyMoor>for, even
03:16<gpm>it won't help now but in the future i'd recommend apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges
03:16<gpm>evaluate, that was for you sorry.
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03:17<gpm>EmleyMoor: well, i'm not sure about it being suitable for squeeze but you can install i386 on amd64
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03:23<EmleyMoor>That package fails due to lack of libwebkit-1.0.1
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03:25<gpm>\do you have libwekit-1.0.1
03:25<gpm>if so, do you have the 32-bit version?
03:25<EmleyMoor>gpm: No, because it's not there to be had
03:25<gpm>oh cause it's ridiculously old?
03:25<gpm>in that case i have no idea
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03:28<EmleyMoor>I'd ask on the inform7 forum but they haven't sent me a "confirm"
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03:30<ayaka>mod_chroot is a ral chroot
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03:36<Maarten_PI>hi! I'm sorry to drop in like this, but one of my virtual server gives me a "The connection has timed out" and I don't know how to debug this. I looked in the errorlog, but this is an different kind of error. Any have any clues where to look?
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03:43*EmleyMoor wants ho run gnome-inform7 on squeeze/amd64... but can't see a way that works.
03:43<EmleyMoor>to, even
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04:30<guillaume__>Hi all, I installed iscsitarget on a debian squeeze, and I succed to connect Initiator, but in my syslog I have some errorsmessages, any Idea ?
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04:36<gnugr>guillaume__: read this it might help you :
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05:30<transformer>what package is missing because I cannot add entries in Applications menu, using debian squeeze
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05:33<LetoPoole>transformer: I think alacarte is what you want
05:33<LetoPoole>it's the thing that opens when you right-click on the menu
05:33<LetoPoole>and allows you to edit menu entries
05:34<LetoPoole>(im asuming you talking about gnome)
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05:41<transformer>LetoPoole: thanks, that was what I need
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05:52<zem_>should i install libreoffice or openoffice in wheezy? anyreason to install one instead of other?
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05:52<mjr>libre seems to be where most of the action is these days
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05:59<babilen>zem: OO has been replaced by libreoffice in wheezy
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06:05<PIrr>I found that there is a registered channel #archlinux. But noone's there. 500@debian 1@arch doh
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06:10<daemonkeeper>You probably want to go to Freenode
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06:13<mattcen>Hi all. Anybody know the correct way to force dhclient to renew a DHCP lease (without restarting networking entirely)?
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06:24<PIrr>daemonkeeper, don't want to go anywhere, was yust wondering...
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06:24<daemonkeeper>Most $non_debian related stuff is on Freenode, including Arch.
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07:02<alumno>k tal
07:02<alumno_>olaaaaaaaaaaaass cara colasssssssss
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07:03<alumno__>que hay?¿
07:03<alumno_>alguno fumais
07:03<alumno_>q te den ijo puta jajaja
07:03<alumno>what the fuck
07:04<alumno>a parlaaa
07:04<alumno_>a mamarla
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08:46<ChipC> different is Debian from Ubuntu-
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08:48<ChipC>which is preferable
08:49<nevyn>ChipC: that's like asking which car is better ford or holden while standing in a ford dealership.
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08:49<ChipC>what are the pros for Debian
08:50<devil>ChipC: the fact that without debiayn ubuntu would noxexist?
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08:50<devil>debian even
08:50<ChipC>is it more stable
08:51<devil>i might get killed for saying this, but i find debian unstable more stable than ubuntu :)
08:52<nevyn>devil: not right now..
08:52<nevyn>perl. :(
08:52<nevyn>lots of stuff uninstalled for me.
08:53<devil>nevyn: my unstable is stable. i dont touch upgrades these days
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08:53<devil>nevyn: unstable users need be able to read ;)
08:53<jrd0>is esata as fast as sata?
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08:55<cybersphinx___>jrd0: Yes.
08:55<jrd0>i was expecting slightly faster transfers ;/ isntead im 30MB/s slower
08:55<jrd0>ive switched my nas into an external raid enclosure running raid 1
08:55<jrd0>only getting 20MB/s now
08:55<devil>jrd0: there is sata, sata2 and sata3 with different speeds,esata is juat external sata
08:56<jrd0>i thought it was
08:56<jrd0>i was just checking
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08:56<cybersphinx___>I only have experience with single harddisks, and there I got the usual ~100MB/s on esata.
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08:56<jrd0>i just copied a 2.3gb file, constant 20MB/s over gigabit lan
08:56<cybersphinx___>For which even 1.5Gbps is fast enough.
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08:57<jrd0>atleast my data is safe anyway
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08:57<devil>my SSD runs on sata3 with ~ 500 mb/s
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08:58<jrd0> i had to get that external enclosure as the case wont fit 3 hdd's
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09:02<bentinc>nevyn: the perl upgrade problem in sid has been solved (at least for me on amd64)
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09:02<nevyn>bentinc: mmmm.. there are still some broken things tho.
09:03<nevyn>it's more annoying than horrific tho.
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09:07<ChipC>[Tip] who know's wich is the safest way to P2P Fileshearing? with an mobile dedicated inter USB-Flash-Drive data transfer device, it's small, easy and portable.
09:09<bentinc>nevyn: agree.. well, there is a reason for the name unstable after all
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09:09<bentinc>nevyn: even it is measured by debian standards :)
09:10<daemonkeeper> Its not fixed (yet). buildds are working hard
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09:11<devil>bentinc: i still get 8 packages to remove here
09:11<devil>bentinc: but it depends on your installed set of software anyways
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09:12<bentinc>devil: but at least it does not want to remove linux-image anymore, does it?!?
09:13<devil>bentinc: not here, no
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09:45<dominick>How do I change the resolution of the login screen?
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10:14<ucenik17>any1 here ? :O
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10:14<ucenik17>h1 Ana
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10:26<txt_file>Is it correct that dev is mounted as tmpfs and that files written to /dev/null are stored in ram instead of nowhere?
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10:26<txt_file>doesn't sound right to me.
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10:28<rpetre>txt_file: no, it's not correct
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10:28<rpetre>/dev/null is a device associated to a specific driver in kernel that discards the data
10:29<rpetre>if it would have been a regular file, than maybe you'd be right (but usually /dev is not a ramdisk anyway, but udevfs)
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10:35<txt_file> if I write something to /dev/null it is stored in ram (and deleted after a while)
10:35<rpetre>txt_file: can you please say what ls -l /dev/null show?
10:35<rpetre>crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 May 4 16:29 /dev/null
10:37<txt_file>-rw-r--r-- 1 txt sudo 1 4. Mai 16:36 /dev/null
10:37<rpetre>txt_file: there's your problem
10:38<rpetre>delete /dev/null and mknod /dev/null c 1 3
10:39<rpetre>it should not be a file
10:39<zeglor>hi guys! i'm the dude who was having problems with installing gnome on debian 6.0.1a. well today i just reinstalled linux kernel without setting network etc and tried to install gnome immeditely. it froze again, but this time on "configuring python gobject" (last time it was "initializing python-lenny"), last message in dpkg log says that this packet is half-configured, last message in kernel
10:39<zeglor>log is something about loop. hope to get help this time, cause i'm starting to get sick of this unsolveable problem -_-
10:39<rpetre>txt_file: is this some sort of chroot?
10:39<txt_file>rpetre: no .. it's just a normal server
10:40<rpetre>txt_file: then you might have a program that deletes /dev/null periodically
10:40<txt_file>I think it's rsync's fault
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10:41<rpetre>how so?
10:41<txt_file>sudo rsync -a -P bilder.tar.xz /dev/null
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10:41<rpetre>um. don't do that :)
10:41<txt_file>I have no other explanation how /dev/null could become the user txt
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10:42<rpetre>what are you trying to achieve with that rsync?
10:42<rpetre>(beside screwing your /dev/null, that is ;) )
10:43<txt_file>I tried something. wanted to know if gzip is limited by my hdd or cpu
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10:44<txt_file>and while i was checking i tried how fast my hdd is actually
10:44<rpetre>ok, don't rsync in /dev/null
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10:44<txt_file>now I know
10:45<txt_file>thanks anyway
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10:53<someone>rawrrrrrr, can someone tell me a repository for squeeze with bitchx?
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10:53<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
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10:54<someone>anyway, gnome comes with lot of useless progs, such as 2 browsers instead of 1. can i unistall em or the only way is to get rid of gnome?
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10:55<dpkg>well, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
10:56<rpetre>ftfy :)
10:56<someone>yea i fixed it on priv
10:57<someone>lynx@localhost:~$ sudo apt-get install irssi [sudo] password for lynx: lynx is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
10:57<someone>wut the fux?
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10:59<someone>k, got it working brb
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11:06<kelton>Alguem sabe como bloquear o botão direito do mouse no gnu/linux?
11:07<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
11:07<babilen>kelton: Or speak English in here :)
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11:10<kelton>Anyone know how to block the right mouse button on the gnu / linux?
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11:14<grove>kelton: Why would you want to do that? You'll lose a lot of functionality
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11:16<obengdako>grove, kelton i also have searched for a long time on how to do that, i currently have my touchpad to emulate a right click when i use two fingers to tap it and would like to disable my right click button
11:16<ansgar>kelton: man evdev, ButtonMapping might be what you are looking for.
11:16<jrd0>im trying to burn an iso with wodim, but it fails on cannot open new session
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11:16<rpetre>jrd0: because the disk is already written ;)
11:16<jrd0>it shouldn't be, but ill try another
11:16<rpetre>(most likely)
11:17<kelton>this and for public computers in a company
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11:17<ansgar>obengdako: You can disable that (man synaptics to configure it in xorg.conf, ClickFinger2 looks like what you want).
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11:17<jrd0>just put in another disk same thing
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11:18<ansgar>obengdako: Eh, or not. That would disable the two-finger-right-click.
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11:18<obengdako>i've done that but it just didn't disable ansgar
11:19<grove>obengdako: That would make sense, but I suspect it would be quite hardware dependent how to do that
11:19<Septemys>Hello, sorry for my very bad english =), (если есть кто понимающий русский пишите в лс), where i can found about mediaplayers with CUDA support ?
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11:20<kelton>it's possible to disable
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11:20<grove>jrd0: Do you have the neccessary permissions to write a cd?
11:20<jrd0>i would have thought so, do i have to make myself a memeber of a group?
11:21<daemonkeeper>Septemys: There is a Russian channel as well, mplayer and VLC (experimental iirc) supports CUDA
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11:21<grove>jrd0: You should probably be a member of the cdrom group
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11:22<Septemys>daemonkeeper in Russian chennel only one human
11:22<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
11:22<daemonkeeper>In that one?
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11:23<jrd0>no i was already in the group
11:24<Septemys>daemonkeeper ok
11:24<daemonkeeper>Septemys: Nonetheless I already gave you a hint.
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11:25<grove>jrd0: Okay, but 'wodim: Cannot open new session.' is just the last error in that output, the first seems to be 'wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.', which seems to be about permissions (I assume you're not in a virtual machine)
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11:25<jrd0>nope not vm grove
11:25<Septemys>daemonkeeper i thinked a ruusan channel is debian-ru
11:26<daemonkeeper>Septemys: No problem.
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11:27<grove>jrd0: Then I have no idea
11:27<pufa>hi again
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11:27<jrd0>grove: np ill just boot into windows
11:28<pufa>again can`t connect to wireless :(
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11:28<pufa>no i`m disabled encryption, but now wicd says that can`t obtain ip adress
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11:29<pufa>if there is wep, wpa or wpa2 it say bad password. wi-fi card is broadcom bcm4312
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11:34<jrd0>grove: i just went to copy it to my windows drive and noticed that it was 0kb, i was trying to burn the failed download lol.. its working now ^^
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11:43<cahoot>pufa: try this (unless already done): modprobe -r b43; modprobe b43; dmesg | tail -20 - any complaints - like firmware missing or so?
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11:44<oalvarado>hi there fellas!
11:44<oalvarado>I have a question about how to include a CA certificate into ca-certificate package..
11:45<oalvarado>is anybody related to support that..?
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11:45<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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11:47<pufa>cahoot, in the end to type only dmesg | tail -20
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11:47<rpetre>oalvarado: you want to distribute a CA in debian by default or just on your machines?
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11:48<pufa>this is the result
11:48<cahoot>pufa: the point is/was: unload and reload b43, then read the last 20 lines of dmesg
11:49<cahoot>pufa: did you try to read?
11:49<cahoot>[ 2926.116188] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode15.fw" not found
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11:50<sney>somenoe walked him through installing the firmware yesterday, I guess it didn't take
11:50<cahoot>seems you need install the relevant firmware
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11:50<alex6>hi, anybody can help me to onfigure sound event in 6.0.1? I have tried many solutions without success
11:50<sney>sound event?
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11:51<cahoot>sound works otherwise?
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11:51<pufa>hour ago i remove broadcom-sta-source and firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
11:51<pufa>and now i have only b43-fwcutter
11:52<pufa>which firmware to install?
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11:52<gsimmons>pufa: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer, which you previously removed.
11:53<pufa>only thist? without broadcom-sta-source?
11:53<alex6>yes it works but, only sound event don`t
11:53<oalvarado>rpetre: we have an open bug in the bugtrack to distribute our Government CA and apparently completed all requirements, but don't have any response..
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11:53<gsimmons>pufa: You don't require use of the broadcom-sta-* packages if you are intending to use the in-tree b43 driver.
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11:54<pufa>i install it. now what to try?
11:54<cahoot>pufa: try this (unless already done): modprobe -r b43; modprobe b43; dmesg | tail -20 - any complaints - like firmware missing or so?
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11:56<rpetre>oalvarado: tough. you can try to add another comment to the bug and wait
11:56<cahoot>pufa: seems ok
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11:56<pufa>brb to test :)
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11:58<oalvarado>rpetre: there is any way to contact debian to get some information, to get some more information about if we're missing something or didn't complete a step..?
11:59<rpetre>oalvarado: i'm not a DD, i'm not very familiar with the proper channels for this
11:59<oalvarado>rpetre: thxs a lot my friend.. so I'll continue to looking for help..
11:59<rpetre>try to ask one of the two DDs that commented on your bug
12:00<jhutchins_lt>oalvarado: There really isn't a "Debian" for you to contact, it's an association of volunteers.
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12:01<jhutchins_lt>oalvarado: Linux is not a product manufactured by a structured corporation.
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12:01<pufa>again on unsecured network says that can`t obtain ip address
12:02<pufa>on netword with wpa says bad password
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12:04<oalvarado>jhutchins_lt: I know that my friend, I'm just looking some light to enlight the path..
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12:05<oalvarado>jhutchins_lt: but maybe somebody is responsible to response the bug? is not?
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12:06<jhutchins_lt>oalvarado: Not really. The maintainer is only responsible for packaging the software, the developers work on what they choose to work on.
12:07<rpetre>oalvarado: the package is group maintained and there are a lot of open bugs already, this might mean bugs might get forgotten. so another mail would help
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12:07<ansgar>oalvarado: Usually the package maintainer. They will get a mail when you add a comment to the bug report.
12:07<oalvarado>jhutchins_lt: so who is checking the relative information we use to open the bugtrack case..?
12:07<oalvarado>jhutchins_lt: mmmm.. i was not aware of that..
12:08<ansgar>oalvarado: In January, Debian was still frozen so the certificate could not be added at that time. They might have forgotten the bug report now (happens with many open bugs).
12:08<jhutchins_lt>oalvarado: Whoever volunteers to do so. Some distributions have a triage team that reviews bug reports and checks for complete and accurate information, as far as I know Debian does not.
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12:09<jhutchins_lt>oalvarado: Mostly it's whoever is bothered by the problem and has the skill to tackle it.
12:09<@weasel>oalvarado: you could just send a ping to the bug report
12:09<oalvarado>jhutchins_lt: good! so, i need to get a debian account and a strong pgp key to comment the bug?
12:09<@weasel>hmm. ca-certificates doesn't even have a maintainer.
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12:10<ansgar>oalvarado: No, just send a mail to [bugnumber]
12:10<oalvarado>weasel: good! so, i need to get a debian account and a strong pgp key to comment the bug?
12:10<rpetre>oalvarado: no, just send a mail to
12:10<oalvarado>ok friends!
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12:12<thewanderer1>guys, I'm now before the following problem: I need to run Bash (or any other shell) in a namespace and, for subsequent accesses (user logs in on tty1 AND tty2), just fork it or sth like that so that I effectively have a shell singleton. where do I start?
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12:14<jhutchins_lt>thewanderer1: For simultaneous access it doesn't work that way. A user _can_ log in on tty1, run screen, detach, log in on tty2 and attach to that screen session.
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12:16<thewanderer1>jhutchins_lt: but screen, when attaching, just connects to a socket, so the master instance is still within the singleton, no?
12:16<akitada>I'm having trouble configure Intel 6250 to access to a network. It works when it's configured with WEP but not with WPA. Anyone using Intel 6250 with WPA here?
12:17<jhutchins_lt>Sorry, singleton isn't translating.
12:17<thewanderer1>in essence, what I need is a multiplexed LXC setup without init... so lxc-execute, but then I need to attach to the namespace
12:18<thewanderer1>and since attaching to namespaces is not viable right now, I thought a daemon spawning stuff would do, but I don't know where to put that... PAM? replace user shells? O.o
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12:19<jhutchins_lt>I am not understanding what you mean by terms like "singleton" and "namespace".
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12:21<thewanderer1>ok, see, we have namespaces in the kernel and I need to put a process in a network namespace... for this, I can easily hack around pam_namespace, but I still need a way to attach more processes later
12:21<@weasel>josemhna: maybe, just maybe, that question isn't for you then :)
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12:22<nyov>thewanderer1: pam_namespace?
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12:22<thewanderer1>yeah, a little nifty module which handles FS namespaces currently
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12:23<nyov>thewanderer1: the fact about namespaces is actually that when they spawn childs or fork, they will also be in that namespace
12:23<thewanderer1>nyov: hence the singleton
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12:23<nyov>thewanderer1: singleton means to me only one instance ever runs. but one instance of what?
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12:25<thewanderer1>that's the question... I'm looking for a way to implement multiple PAM logins into a single namespace (so they usually launch a shell)
12:25<@weasel>I wonder if it'd be crazy to launch a telnetd, sshd or something in the namespace,
12:25<nyov>but not through ssh or lxc-console...
12:26<akitada>With WPA, I can't access to my network. iwconfig shows up wlan0 interface so I think the kernel detects the device.
12:26<nyov>weasel: i connect through ssh to my containers
12:26<@weasel>and then run telnet or ssh upon login to connect to the namespace.
12:26<thewanderer1>weasel, nyov: I did consider that, but apparently it's impossible to run more than 40-50 of LXC instances (init with all that stuff), and with SSH per user it gets even worse
12:26<jhutchins_lt>thewanderer1: Have a look at how things currently run with ps axf.
12:26<@weasel>thewanderer1: why would it get worse?
12:26<jhutchins_lt>thewanderer1: I think you're trying to reinvent the wheel here.
12:26<nyov>lxc-ps helps
12:27<jhutchins_lt>thewanderer1: logins via ssh are children of the sshd.
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12:27<@weasel>(if they all ran the same binary they wouldn't need more ram)
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12:27<retrospectacus>akitada: what's your wireless device?
12:27<thewanderer1>jhutchins_lt: I know... that's not the point, the shell would be replaced by something networked or otherwise IPC-ed to the namespaced
12:27<jhutchins_lt>shells are children of login.
12:27<sret>4months and going on debian
12:28<sret>my home machine has been up for 4 months!!
12:28<retrospectacus>hey sret, good to hear
12:28<thewanderer1>weasel: 1 SSH takes over 1MB of RSS, what if I need to have 5000 users but only 100 of them logged in at a time? O.o
12:28<sret>since the install
12:28<sret>hi retrospectacus :P
12:28<@weasel>thewanderer1: the sshs would all share most their pages anyway
12:28<thewanderer1>lxc-console would be viable if a) I could run as many of this as users b) getty wasn't a memory hog, both of which are currently untrue
12:28<akitada>retrospectacus: Intel Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250
12:28<sret>have a doubt though
12:28<sret>is it advisable to switch xfs from ext3?
12:29<thewanderer1>weasel: I know, but the RSS are not shared sadly, and with a few thousand instances you do notice the hit
12:29<sret>switch to xfs*
12:29<sret>i just wannt try xfs, that's about it
12:29<@weasel>thewanderer1: "the RSS" is not what you think it is.
12:29<nyov>sret: xfs is nice, but not if your machine crashes often
12:29<sret>nyov: hasnt yet
12:29<@weasel>but I give you that when instances grows in the thousands it will be noticable
12:29<nyov>sret: go for it
12:29<sret>4 months and up
12:30<sret>nothing froze, nada. zilch
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12:30<sret>ok cool
12:30<sret>what would i gain by using xfs to ext3?
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12:31<thewanderer1>weasel: well, I can't run that many LXC instances anyway, so that rules out this idea...
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12:32<nyov>thewanderer1: so to recap, you just want to namespace a shell account without init and other stuff. but need some host2lxc tty access
12:32<@weasel>nyov: and it must not cost any memory or CPU
12:33<@weasel>and it should probably come with its own pony :)
12:33<thewanderer1>nyov: I need to namespace a shell account, but multiplex that namespace across many concurrent logins
12:34<retrospectacus>sret: I believe xfs is "better" for very large disks and/or very large files... /msg dpkg xfs
12:34<sret>retrospectacus: ok
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12:34<retrospectacus>also google would know a lot, I'm sure
12:34<dpkg>i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
12:34<sret>dpkg says not as mature as ext3
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12:34<nyov>thewanderer1: so one namespace for many shells? how would you login to those if not through ssh? I don't think I get it
12:34<akitada>retrospectacus: I follow steps described there but no luck.
12:35<thewanderer1>nyov: through SSH, indeed... but still in one namespace
12:35<Eulenspiegel69>How are the databases in pwsafe encrypted? is AES possible?
12:35<thewanderer1>nyov: it's the "one namespace" that poses the problem
12:35<alex6>thank you very much, bb all
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12:37<nyov>thewanderer1: so lxc-attach would do, but does not work?
12:37<retrospectacus>akitada: can you make a pastebin containing the output of "ifconfig -a"
12:38<thewanderer1>nyov: yes, because the kernel plumbing is not in place... and I'd need to ensure that the container is running, which it might not be when a user is not logged in
12:38<thewanderer1>keeping all containers running (in the role of "singletons") seems a wasteful thing to do
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12:41<thewanderer1>so I seem to need what Daniel Lezcano mentions here: "Namespaces require a dedicated process to pin them in memory"... one small daemon for each user O.o
12:42<nyov>thewanderer1: i guess this is too advanced for me %)
12:42<nyov>thewanderer1: where did he write that?
12:43<thewanderer1>oh wait, that was from Eric W. Biederman for dlezcano's lxc patchset:
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12:43<thewanderer1>this patch supposedly eliminates that...
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12:45<nyov>guess your too far ahead of them ;)
12:45<nyov>"It requires additional support to make use of these filedescriptors"
12:45<nyov>and that will be comming in the following patches.
12:45<thewanderer1>nah, they're in that dir too
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12:46<thewanderer1>now I need a bloody daemon which will store those fd's in memory to keep the namespace alive... woohoo! :P
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12:52<nyov>thewanderer1: put it on github or so, I might be interested hehe ;)
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12:53<thewanderer1>alright, when my exams are over :P
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13:01<JtheLinuxGuy>Hello everyone, new to Debian but not new to Linux. Trying to set it up on a server with RAID5, anyone have experience with the SAS1068 controller?
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13:04<thewanderer1>JtheLinuxGuy: is that a FakeRAID or a true hardware RAID controller?
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13:06<JtheLinuxGuy>thewanderer1: I am not really sure. I can press CTRL+C to create a RAID volume, but my only choices are mirror or stripe, not RAID 5 I don't think. If I set up RAID in the controller, Debian sees it. But I want RAID5 but see no option for it.
13:07<thewanderer1>JtheLinuxGuy: you mean you see it as one disk AND multiple disks separately, or only 1 disk in the debian-installer?
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13:08<JtheLinuxGuy>thewanderer1: If I set it up in the controller, Debian sees my 4 500GB disks as 1 2TB disk
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13:08<JtheLinuxGuy>During the install process I mean
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13:08<JtheLinuxGuy>The controller gives me the option of IM (mirror) or IS (stripe) when creating a volume
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13:09<thewanderer1>ok, maybe the controller only supports RAID0 and RAID1
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13:10<JtheLinuxGuy>thewanderer1: I was afraid of that.
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13:11<thewanderer1>may we see the lspci line for this controller?
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13:11<JtheLinuxGuy>Can I do that during the install? There's no OS on it right now
13:11<babilen>JtheLinuxGuy: You can still create a software raid in the installer and bypass the hardware raid controller altogether. Please provide the "lspci -nn" output for this controller. (if you can)
13:11<JtheLinuxGuy>It shipped with Windows XP but I already erased it
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13:12<JtheLinuxGuy>What do you typically put in the controller set up to let Debian handle it with Software RAID?
13:12<thewanderer1>well, any idea if d-i has lspci shipped? :P
13:12<nyov>JtheLinuxGuy: you could go with Raid0+1 or Raid10 where the first level is in hardware and the top done in software
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13:13<thewanderer1>JtheLinuxGuy: first, we're trying to find out if the card you have is hardware RAID or fakeRAID to know whether setting RAID in the controller makes any sense or if we should fall back to mdraid
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13:13<thewanderer1>so we need to see lspci -nn for this card
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13:14<JtheLinuxGuy>Ok can I access the terminal from the Debian install cd?
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13:14<JtheLinuxGuy>Actually nevermind, I can get the lspci info. BRB
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13:18<nyov>this looks like a full fledged hardware raid controller to me
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13:20<JtheLinuxGuy>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 5000X Chipset Memory Controller Hub [8086:25c0] (rev 12)
13:20<JtheLinuxGuy>00:02.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5000 Series Chipset PCI Express x4 Port 2 [8086:25e2] (rev 12)
13:20<JtheLinuxGuy>00:03.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5000 Series Chipset PCI Express x4 Port 3 [8086:25e3] (rev 12)
13:20<JtheLinuxGuy>00:04.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5000X Chipset PCI Express x16 Port 4-7 [8086:25fa] (rev 12)
13:20<JtheLinuxGuy>00:05.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5000 Series Chipset PCI Express x4 Port 5 [8086:25e5] (rev 12)
13:20<JtheLinuxGuy>00:06.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 5000 Series Chipset PCI Express x4 Port 6 [8086:25e6] (rev 12)
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13:21<mercutio32>whats the gnome app that deals with configuring printers called?
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13:24<JtheLinuxGuy>It kicked me out :(
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13:24<mercutio32>used to be called gnome-cups-manager I think
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13:24<mercutio32>I cant find it now
13:24<JtheLinuxGuy>I missed anything you guys may have said after I pasted the info
13:24<retrospectacus>JtheLinuxGuy: just the line of the RAID card plese, or pastebin the whole thing
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13:25<retrospectacus>,pciid 1000:0054
13:25<judd>[1000:0054] is 'SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS' from 'LSI Logic / Symbios Logic' with kernel module 'mptsas' in squeeze. See also
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13:26<nyov>JtheLinuxGuy: looks like a Dell machine?
13:26<JtheLinuxGuy>nyov: Yes, Dell Precision Workstation 690
13:27<JtheLinuxGuy>I prefer RAID5, I need maximum data space but still RAID
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13:27<JtheLinuxGuy>But I don't think there is an option for RAID5 unless I don't know what I'm doing
13:27<daemonkeeper>You shoult not mess up with RAID 5.
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13:28<daemonkeeper>RAID 5 is really a bad idea, google a bit and you will find a lot information what's wrong with RAID 5.
13:28<nyov>JtheLinuxGuy: it will run with the megaraid driver. not sure about that raid5
13:29<JtheLinuxGuy>The main downside I see with RAID 5 is lesser write speed
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13:29<daemonkeeper>The main downside is an immanent risk of data loss
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13:29<saleem>hello, this error is bugging me ----------- -------------- how do i fix it ?
13:30<mjr>mostly, it's more likely than you'd think that two drives, often of the same type, having similar operating conditions, will fault around the same time
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13:30<mjr>but that's why Belldandy gave us RAID 6
13:30<nyov>true, i'm using raid6 most the time
13:30<daemonkeeper>RAID 6 is a reasonable compromise.
13:31<daemonkeeper>Best choice would probably be RAID 10
13:31<nyov>but it's slower, and with 4 drives raid10 does the same
13:31<mjr>raid 10 is good of course if you have the dough and drive slots
13:31<mercutio32>I need to configure a printer in gnome I can't find the app in the gnome-menu. Can anyone remind of the package name that deals with that? I tryed apt-cache search and google.. lots of different ones
13:32<mjr>with 4 drives raid10 gives you less redundancy. More speed though.
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13:32<JtheLinuxGuy>I may consider RAID6, but I would like to have as much space as possible, I have a TON of data to store
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13:32<dpkg>Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. Packaged in <contrib> as of squeeze. #conky on
13:32<babilen>mercutio32: /me suggests http://localhost:631
13:32<nyov>JtheLinuxGuy: beware of the network card btw. I think this thing needs firmware
13:32<JtheLinuxGuy>I was originally looking at RAID5 due to the fact I'd have 1.5tb of space if I calculate properly
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13:32<lynx>why apt-get install conky doesnt work?
13:33<melbogia1>not necessarily a debian question but does a lazy unmount work on a stale nfs filesystem?
13:33<babilen>!tell lynx -about bat
13:33<lynx>uh, babilen i'm new to irssi, how do i see people private messages on it?
13:33<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:34<JtheLinuxGuy>So, you guys are saying that my card is hardware RAID? (I think I got kicked and didn't see the answer)
13:34<babilen>lynx: ^^^^
13:34<daemonkeeper>Same as you see channel windows by the way.
13:34<dmbaturin>They appear after all open windows and always highlighted.
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13:36<lynx>root@localhost:/home/lynx# apt-get install conky
13:36<lynx>Reading package lists... Done
13:36<lynx>Building dependency tree
13:36<lynx>Reading state information... Done
13:36<lynx>E: Unable to locate package conky
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13:36<lynx>aw, forgot pastebin
13:36<babilen>lynx: You missed the part :)
13:36<mercutio32>where can I find gnome app to add printers?
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13:37<babilen>lynx: Make sure you also paste "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy conky" -- Your /etc/apt/sources.list would probably come in handy to. Stick it all in a single pastebin
13:37<lynx>one min
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13:37<mercutio32>I should have system>adm>printing in the gnome panel.. but I don't for some reason
13:38<mercutio32>any clues?
13:38<JtheLinuxGuy>My main question now is to allow Debian to manage my RAID, do I disable my RAID controller or is there a setting to pass control of the RAID to the OS?
13:38<nyov>looks like raid5 with a prop. kernel module is possible. ouch
13:38<babilen>mercutio32: No, but don't bother and use http://localhost:631 for all your printing needs.
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13:39<daemonkeeper>there is a hideous MegaCLI utility which configures LSI raids
13:39<nyov>JtheLinuxGuy: but you got the good one, look for [1000:0054]
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13:41<lynx>ill just download it manually
13:41<JtheLinuxGuy>Those links are useful but I don't think it answers my question, or maybe I don't understand
13:42<mercutio32>babilen: Yeah, I found that. Another problem now. Cups asks me an username and admin password to add a printer. My user password is not the one. Do you know how I can reset it
13:42<babilen>lynx: conky is in contrib and you need to enable it in your sources.list in order to be able to install packages from there. -- /msg dpkg contrib -- You probably just want to add "contrib non-free" after "main" in your sources.list and run 'aptitude update' afterwards
13:43<babilen>mercutio32: try root
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13:43<babilen>lynx: non-free is not needed for conky, but you *might* still want to add it.
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13:43<dmbaturin>I'm new to debian and I'm having a sound trouble in my recently installed squeeze. Sound card is detected correctly and I can hear sound in smplayer when I switch the sound device manually to ALSA. However, I don't have sound in skype (with either option in sound devices) and flash applications. What can be wrong and what further diagnostics should I do to localize the trouble?
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13:45<rockstar_>I have a strange problem with gnome on SID, if I press the up arrow key it try to make screenshot, if I press atl-gr I obtain a backspace, if I press canc the window get minimized... which package I should reconfigure?
13:45<babilen>lynx: Make sure you add it also for the squeeze/updates --- basically everywhere where you have "main" now. I haven't seen your sources.list so I can't be more specific.
13:46<lynx>just like
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13:47<jcjones>Hi, is there anyone who can help me with getting direct rendering and hardware acceleration to work in Squeeze?
13:47<babilen>lynx: Exactly, run "aptitude update" now and you should be fine. You can also remove the deb cdrom lines if you want.
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13:48<lynx>apt-get update u mean?
13:48<lynx>ive never used aptitude, just apt-get
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13:48<lynx>it works
13:48<lynx>^^ *
13:48<retrospectacus>jcjones: what's your video card?
13:48<dmbaturin>lynx: apt-get update will work as well.
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13:48<babilen>lynx: Whatever you prefer. I use aptitude :)
13:49<MaoFdez>use apt-fast with axel..... to fast
13:49<sney>jcjones: what video card?
13:49<lynx>lemme ask another lame thing ._., ive installed with a net installation, but i havent changed it to use xfce instead of gnome
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13:49<lynx>now i'm stuck with gnome, how can i delete it COMPLETELY, everything and setup xfce?
13:49<jcjones>rectrospectacus: Radeon HD5000
13:49<imperia>hello guys. if i do aptitude search '~b' i see several packages with iB (broken) flag. how do i remove the "Broken" flag. packages looks fine?
13:49<babilen>lynx: You can easily install XFCE if you want to -- /msg dpkg install xfce
13:50<sney>jcjones: add non-free sources and install firmware-linux-nonfree
13:50<chealer>jcjones: just ask your question
13:50<jcjones>done that
13:50<babilen>jcjones: also make sure that you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed
13:50<jcjones>you see the problem is, I did wat sney said but that didn' t work
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13:50<sney>!doesn't work
13:50<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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13:51<lynx>babilen: but how can i get rid of gnome and its applications
13:51<sney>!tell lynx about remove gnome
13:52<lynx>!remove gnome
13:52<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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13:52<lynx>whats the diff between remove n purge
13:52<sney>configuration files
13:52<jcjones>what I mean is installing the non-free linux packages for radeon and the libgl1-mesa-dri didn' t get the direct rendering and hardware acceleration moving, not even after rebooting after installing them
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13:53<daemonkeeper>Moreover you could read apt-get(8) or aptitude(8) which explains those things.
13:53<jcjones>I already had libgl1-mesa-dri installed
13:53<sney>jcjones: non-free linux packages for radeon? there's just one, the firmware package. everything else is bundled with X. can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:53<lynx>!install xfce
13:53<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Squeeze: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install" ; Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options.
13:53<sney>lynx: please /msg dpkg keyword
13:54<lynx>i would if i knew how to switch to priv messages on irssi
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13:54<sney>/win #
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13:54<dmbaturin>lynx: Alt-<window number>
13:55<jcjones>xorg.0.log: >>
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13:56<jcjones>sney: yeah I meant the firmware package :)
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13:56<lynx>uh, i'm possessed.. steam is invisible on wine
13:57<lynx>dmbaturin: thanks
13:57<sney>jcjones: sorry to sound like a broken record, but are you *sure* you installed firmware-linux-nonfree and not firmware-linux-free?
13:58<jcjones>*double checking*
13:58<jcjones>firmware-linux-nonfree is installed
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14:00<sney>jcjones: ok, can you see if the 'radeon' module is loaded?
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14:01<jcjones>where can I see that?
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14:02<sney>/sbin/lsmod |grep radeon
14:02<nyov>babilen: this R600/700 "Direct Rendering disabled" reminds me of yesterday? didn't you get that to work?
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14:02<sney>nyov: different guy, looks like.
14:02<sney>we get these several times a week :P
14:02<nyov>ok but he had the solution methinks
14:03<tin_kidneys>Hey, folks. How would i start ssh-agent when i start gnome? The problem i'm having is i don't know how to do this since i don't use GDM, or any other display manager.
14:03<jcjones>it is me again (joshua)
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14:03<jcjones>i'm doing this on a laptop now, but doing what I did yesterday didn't work as I hoped
14:04<nyov>sooo, didn't you say it worked?
14:04<jcjones>yeah it worked on my desktop np
14:04<nyov>but now?
14:04<jcjones>I did the same thing here ... added contrib non-free to sources
14:04<jcjones>got the nonfree linux firmware for radeon
14:04<jcjones>installed it
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14:05<jcjones>but the accel and the dir.rendering aren't enabled
14:05<nyov>what firmware module is that anyway?
14:05<sney>just radeon specific microcode, for the hd5000 I think it's r700.bin or something like that
14:06<sney>it's in the firmware-linux-nonfree package as said above. jcjones: any luck with lsmod?
14:06<jcjones>radeon 574188 2
14:06<jcjones>ttm 40146 1 radeon
14:06<jcjones>drm_kms_helper 20065 1 radeon
14:06<jcjones>drm 142359 4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
14:06<jcjones>i2c_algo_bit 4225 1 radeon
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14:06<nyov>erm ok
14:07<nyov>looks loaded
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14:07<babilen>sney, nyov: The solution was a reboot in order to get the kernel module to load the firmware.
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14:07<jcjones>I've installed the firmware and rebooted several times
14:07<jcjones>accel and dir. rendering still disabled
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14:07<nyov>hm is ACPI somehow necessary? bc: (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket)
14:07<tesla04>hi, what the name of the package that contain the webserver stuff like apache, tomcat, php, ... ?
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14:08<babilen>!tell tesla04 -about search
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14:11<tin_kidneys>Is starting the ssh-agent when Gnome starts impossible if you don't use a display manager?
14:11<jcjones>on my xorg.0.log file on my desktop (in which this worked) it says:
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14:11<jcjones>"(II) Open ACPI succesful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
14:11<tesla04>babilen, i need some thing that is equivalent to the menu we can choose, the web package show at the first installation. That because i don't know all the sub package
14:11<babilen>tin_kidneys: You can start it from your ~/.xinitrc
14:12<sney>tesla04: you can get that menu back by running tasksel
14:12<babilen>tesla04: You are probably looking for tasksel -- But just install whatever you *really* need directly.
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14:12<tesla04>ok that it, thank
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14:13<tin_kidneys>babilen: thanks for the response! i actually don't have a file called ~/.xinitrc
14:13<tin_kidneys>er, .xinitrc, in my home directory
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14:13<babilen>tin_kidneys: How do you start X?
14:14<nyov>jcjones: install acpid
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14:14<tin_kidneys>i dopn't use a display manager, and just startx at the prompt.
14:15<jcjones>acpid was already installed, I just reinstalled it
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14:16<nyov>jcjones: hmm, do you have an xorg.conf ?
14:16<babilen>tin_kidneys: Ok, actually a ~/.xsessionrc is preferred as it would work with both startx and a session manager. Do you have that file? If not, just create it.
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14:16<babilen>tin_kidneys: argh, ~/.xsession that is
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14:17<nyov>babilen: .Xsession maybe?
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14:17<tin_kidneys>nyov: i don't have an xord.conf either
14:17<tin_kidneys>babilen: is .xsession the same as .xsession-errors ?
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14:18<jcjones>nyov: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: no
14:18<babilen>!tell tin_kidneys -about xsession
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14:18<babilen>tin_kidneys: Which window manager do you use?
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14:19<lynx>!flash player
14:19<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
14:19<jcjones>btw: I should note: the xorg.0.log says "(WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)", but I actually checked it manually and the file' s there
14:19<nyov>jcjones: did you reboot after installing that firmware?
14:19<babilen>lynx: /msg dpkg flash player please -- You want to install "flashplugin-nonfree" for adobe flash.
14:19<tin_kidneys>babilen: gnome
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14:19<nyov>jcjones: what are you running and how did you start your X
14:20<me1988>when I want to upgrade from stable to testing, is it straightforward to just edit /etc/apt/preferences?
14:20<tin_kidneys>nyov: sorry, are you asking me?
14:20<nyov>jcjones: maybe acpid got restarted after you reinstalled it
14:20<nyov>tin_kidneys: no, ignore me :)
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14:21<nyov>jcjones: just maybe you only need to restart your gdm/xdm/... and X now
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14:22<jcjones>ok, I'll try that
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14:22<tin_kidneys>Ok, even though i don't use GDM, there is a file in /etc/X11/xinit called "default-display-manager" and inside of it it says /usr/sbin/gdm3
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14:23<tin_kidneys>i DID have Gdm3 installed, but it was driving me nuts so i uninstalled it.
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14:24<tin_kidneys>And i've been very happy without GDM, but do i actually need to have it installed o use my ssh-agent?
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14:25<babilen>tin_kidneys: You want /usr/bin/gnome-session in your ~/.xsession to start gnome. You can also start additional programs from there.
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14:25<tin_kidneys>Thanks, i'll do that now and come back in here to see if i could help anyone here, like you helped me.
14:26<tin_kidneys>So, brb
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14:27<Cryp71c>Using aptitude search, what do the character prefixes mean? I see v and p on a particular search I've done for an application.
14:27<jcjones>nyov: I restarted gdm (as root: service gdm3 stop, service gdm3 start, restarted X) and now my Xorg.0.log says: "Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)"
14:28<babilen>jcjones: Could you paste the complete output of "glxinfo" to please?
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14:28<jcjones>gimme a sec;
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14:29<me1988>I want to upgrade from stable to testing. What is the simplest way? Just edit /etc/apt/preferences?
14:30<jcjones>babilen: glxinfo >>
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14:30<babilen>jcjones: Still software rasterizer :-(
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14:31<babilen>jcjones: I'll have to work now, so please excuse if I don't provide any additional support.
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14:31<jcjones>babilen: you're entitled to your life. Have a nice day ;)
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14:33<chealer>!tell me1988 about stable->testing
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14:34<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>.
14:34<dmbaturin>!tell alsa
14:34<lynx>do i need to install something to get my sound working?
14:34<dmbaturin>lynx: I would like to know too.
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14:34<jcjones>lynx: I presume you have all the alsa packages?
14:34<lynx>i havent installed it
14:35<lynx>so prolly not
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14:35<lynx>root@localhost:/home/lynx# alsa
14:35<lynx>Usage: /usr/sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
14:35<lynx>nah, i have it
14:35<lynx>but doh, on youtube etc. theres no sound
14:36<jcjones>also non-browser stuff?
14:36<lynx>i dont know, theres nothing to test
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14:36<lynx>lemme dl something
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14:37<jcjones>I recommend you try opening any file with audio
14:37<jcjones>such as an mp3
14:37<jcjones>or wav
14:38<dmbaturin>E.g. from /usr/share/sounds
14:38<sney>lynx: is your user in the 'audio' group?
14:38<sney>jcjones: still no luck with the video? maybe give fglrx a shot, I'll tell dpkg to send you a factoid
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14:39<chealer>dpkg: stable->testing
14:39<dpkg>Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you probably shouldn't do this. If you go ahead regardless of this warning make sure that you remove all entries to stable specific repositories such as <bdo> and <squeeze-updates>.
14:39<lynx>yes, theres no sound, downloaded a midi file
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14:39<lynx>sney: lemme check
14:39<chealer>stable->testing used to say something useful
14:39<lynx>sney: yes
14:39<tin_kidneys>So with ssh-agent, do i actually create the file xinit.rc in my home folder?
14:40<nyov>jcjones: still no luck?
14:40<jcjones>sney: there's one last thing I haven't tried and that's rebooting now. Now the acpid is being recognized according to xorg.0.log
14:40<sney>jcjones: can't hurt
14:40<jcjones>so I'll do that
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14:41<lynx>uid=1000(lynx) gid=1000(lynx) groups=1000(lynx),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),110(bluetooth),111(lpadmin),113(fuse),116(scanner)
14:41<babilen>!alsa checklist
14:41<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
14:42<babilen>lynx: Just run "speaker-test" to test your setup.
14:42<me1988><chealer>: Do I have to obey anything else than /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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14:42<lynx>its running
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14:42<lynx>i cant hear shit
14:42<sney>me1988: make sure you have apt-listbugs installed and BE CAREFUL because testing is not fun right now
14:43<dmbaturin>I get the following on Noise play: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1470:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) card is not defined
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14:45<dmbaturin>I have it in lspci though: Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
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14:45<lynx>root@localhost:/home/lynx# alsactl init
14:45<lynx>Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel G45 DEVIBX" "HDA:10ec0269,104d4600,00100004 HDA:80862804,104d4600,00100000" "0x104d" "0x9071"
14:45<lynx>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
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14:46<me1988><sney>: Is the system itself too bugged or userland programs?
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14:47<tin_kidneys>ok, so i don't have an .xsession file since i don't use a display manager. it looks as though the system is using a default system xsession.
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14:47<jcjones>sney: alas, no cigar
14:48<sney>me1988: both. the fhs/udev changes in particular ensure a bumpy ride until the initscripts team figures out which way they're going
14:48<sney>jcjones: :/ well, fglrx is an option
14:48<nyov>tin_kidneys: neither ~/.[X|x]session nor ~/.xinitrc ? how do you run your WM?
14:48<jcjones>sney: let's have the factoid then :)
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14:48<sney>!fglrx dkms
14:48<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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14:48<me1988><sney>: thanks for the info
14:49<dpkg>[sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>.
14:49<nyov>jcjones: could you pastebin: dmesg | grep -B0 -A999 '\[drm\]'
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14:49<sney>the part in quotes beginning with aptitude and ending in .conf can just be pasted into a terminal
14:49<lynx>!tell pulseaudio
14:49<tin_kidneys>nyov: i read some mailing lists about this just now, and it looks like xsession & xinitrc are being handled by the system in /etc/X11 using system defaults?
14:49<sney>lynx: /msg dpkg keyword, stop cluttering the channel
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14:50<nyov>tin_kidneys: if you don't have our own, yes
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14:50<tin_kidneys>"our own"? not sure what you mean.
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14:52<nyov>hmm mentions nothing about requesting firmware?
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14:54<sbirulinux>if I want to install debian amd64 is it enough to install a 64bit kernel, or do I have to reinstall everything from scratch?
14:54<nyov>afaik it should mention somthing like '[drm] Loading RV635 CP Microcode'
14:54<sbirulinux>currently, I'm on 32bit
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14:55<sney>sbirulinux: you can use a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland
14:55<jakob>hi, does anybody know a good tool to spin down a external usb disk? I've tried already noflush and hdparm but it doesn't work...
14:55<sney>it's not a full 64-bit system and you won't get native 64-bit binaries, but it works, and is sometimes faster than full 64-bit. ymmv
14:56<sbirulinux>sney, so if I want a 64-bit userland I should reinstall everything, right?
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14:56<daemonkeeper>There is no supported way to switch arch (yet - multiarch may help in future)
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14:57<sbirulinux>right, got it, thanks guys!
14:58<jcjones>nyov: so it would seem that the firmware isn't being requested?
14:58<nyov>jcjones, sney: maybe try that fglrx, or try another reboot first - that acpi problem looked suspicious somehow
14:58<sney>this guy's bios is getting a workout
14:58<jcjones>the acpi problem is fixed
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14:59<nyov>jcjones: yes, but still. or try the rmmod radeon / modprobe approach. but might be harder
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15:01<jcjones>nyov: what exactly is the rmmod radoen / modprobe approach?
15:01<nyov>jcjones: trying to load the driver again so it requests the firmware
15:01<nyov>might get you a black screen
15:02<sney>modprobe -r radeon drm; modprobe radeon; dmesg |tail -n20
15:02<nyov>might be in use
15:02<sney>best done not in X
15:02<jcjones>close gdm3 and run those cmds?
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15:03<dmbaturin> Is this any useful to find a way to fix sound?
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15:07<chealer>no, squeeze->wheezy is <reply>In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like volatile, backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>
15:07<chealer>dpkg: no, squeeze->wheezy is <reply>In /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like volatile, backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>
15:07<dpkg>chealer: okay
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15:08<sney>chealer: is it more or less reliable now?
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15:09<chealer>sney: what, testing?
15:09<jcjones>sney, nyov: ran the cmds but xorg.0.log hasn't changed:(
15:09<nyov>dmbaturin: do you get any output for this: lsmod | grep hda
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15:10<nyov>jcjones: did the rmmod fail?
15:10<chealer>me1988: what do you mean? try just following the factoid above.
15:10<dmbaturin>nyov: I get the following:
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15:11<nyov>dmbaturin: looks fine
15:12<nyov>dmbaturin: do you run gnome?
15:12<dmbaturin>nyov: No, I use fluxbox instead.
15:12<jcjones>nyov: I went to tty1, then after 'service gdm3 stop' I did 'modprobe -r radeon drm; modprobe radeon; dmesg | tail -n20', is that what you mean?
15:12<dmbaturin>How do I check for pulseaudio?
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15:12<me1988><chealer>: problem is solved now. It was about the stable --> testing migration
15:12<nyov>jcjones: yes, what did the 'tail' tell you?
15:13<nyov>dmbaturin: ps aux | grep pulse
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15:13<sney>jcjones: yeah, the dmesg command was supposed to show you system messages
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15:13<dmbaturin>nyov: Returns nothing.
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15:14<sney>chealer: testing, and the upgrade process.
15:14<nyov>dmbaturin: after you did sudo alsactl init, did you try aplay again?
15:15<sney>jcjones: the point of running it immediately after the modprobe commands was so it would show the result of loading radeon
15:15<dmbaturin>nyov: Yes, with the same result.
15:15<nyov>jcjones: that doesn't look like it reloaded your radeon module
15:15<nyov>jcjones: just reboot that thing
15:15<jcjones>very well
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15:16<sney>nyov: ...
15:16<nyov>sney: ?
15:16<sney>that paste was from running dmesg right now when you asked him to again, not right after modprobe radeon
15:16<nyov>i still think it didn't reload because the driver was in use
15:17<sney>rebooting isn't going to change a dang thing
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15:17<nyov>sney: then it's up to you
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15:18<jcjones>just rebooted
15:19<jcjones>this doesn't seem to have done much, xorg.0.log hasn't changed
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15:19<sney>yeah I didn't expect it to
15:19<jcjones>glxinfo: still software rasterizer
15:19<nyov>why wouldn't it request that stupid firmware
15:20<sney>nyov: you don't know it didn't, because that dmesg paste wasn't from after the modprobe commands.
15:20<chealer>sney: I did not test the upgrade process, I re-used lenny->squeeze material. the invariants are there, but there may be particular problems not ocvered.
15:20<sney>chealer: ah, I only ask because for a while there it shared sid's udev /run problem.
15:20<nyov>sney: i was referring to the older paste
15:21<nyov>which likely didn't change either
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15:21<chealer>sney: as for testing, I would say it's always been quite reliable for me. the udev issue only lasted 1-2-few days.
15:21<sney>well, 'radeon' does work without the firmware, it just doesn't work all the way.
15:21<sney>chealer: ok, good to know.
15:22<sney>jcjones: honestly I would just go for fglrx at this point, unless there's some reason you want to avoid it
15:22<pooky>does anyone here know how to get to frostwire from here
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15:24<jcjones>sney; agree
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15:24<babilen>jcjones: "dmesg|grep radeon" *might* be interesting ... but fglrx is not the worsest idea either
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15:25<sney>especially for a 5000 series gpu, as it likely supports more gpu features currently
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15:26<jcjones>babilen: dmesg|grep radeon >>
15:26<babilen>jcjones: Ah, make that also "dmesg | grep -i microcode"
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15:26<pooky>how the fuck do u gwt to frostwire
15:26<nyov>babilen: we had that here previously
15:27<nyov>babilen: won't request the microcode
15:27<sney>pooky: frostwire is a limewire client. you're in an irc channel. what on earth do you mean?
15:27<pooky>there is an irc to frostwire frost has an irc client
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15:28<sney>pooky: do you mean there's a frostwire irc channel? it's probably on freenode. if you're in xchat, open your network list again and scroll down and connect to "freenode" instead
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15:29<pooky>im on smuxi
15:29<sney>well I'm sure there's a manual.
15:30<meebey>freenode is in default server list of smuxi, just use Quick Connect from the menu
15:31<jcjones>if I were to install fglrx, should I uninstall linux-firmware-nonfree?
15:31<jcjones>or linux-firmware-free for that matter?
15:31<babilen>jcjones: no need for that
15:32<sney>yeah, no difference
15:32<pooky>how do i do that sney
15:32<jakob>hi, does anybody know a good tool to spin down a external usb disk? I've tried already noflush and hdparm but it doesn't work...
15:32<babilen>jcjones: You have the <fglrx dkms> factoid around? If not: /msg dpkg fglrx dkms
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15:34<sney>pooky: I'm not going to hold your hand. perhaps there is a "help" menu.
15:34<pooky>sney im new to all of this all that is on my screen is this room three tabs and no help
15:35<sney>pooky: well I've never used smuxi so I have no idea anyway. have you tried googling it?
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15:36<meebey>pooky: on #smuxi you get help on how to use it
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15:36<meebey>Quick Connect from the menu is pretty straight forward though
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15:38<pooky>then i have xchat u knows how to use that
15:39<sney>it's all right there in front of you, with menus and network lists, you find freenode in the list, you hit "ok" or "connect" or whatever
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15:39<meebey>sney: I sent him an exact explaination which button he needs to push :/
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15:39<sney>pooky: also, this is the support channel for Debian GNU/Linux. since this isn't a debian question, I'm not going to answer anything else, so you'll just have to figure it out!
15:40<sney>pooky: plus, you're on Ubuntu so you're doubly in the wrong place.
15:40<meebey>why do you think he is?
15:40<babilen>pooky: And you probably want to ask Linux specific questions in #ubuntu on
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15:40<pooky>i love ubuntu i nerver really used an irc client im not trying to pester u
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15:41<sney>meebey: because debian-derivative distros use the stock debian configs when they fork, so oftc and #debian are right there in at the top of the list when they start $irc_client
15:41<sney>it's why ubuntu, mint, backtrack, etc users all show up here first.
15:41<meebey>sney: you are correct, his CTCP shows ubuntu, which is odd
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15:42<babilen>pooky: Install Debian and you are welcome to ask Debian related questions in here. Please connect to freenode (either by hitting the correct buttons) or by "/server" and join the Ubuntu channel with "/join #ubuntu" -- Have a nice day
15:42<meebey>sney: as I am the smuxi author and package maintainer I know that it defaults to freenode/#ubuntu and not OFTC/#debian... hmmm
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15:42<ompaul>pooky: if you are on ubuntu your client started up and offered you which is aliased to freenode so I dispute your claim
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15:42<ompaul>you came here to annoy, troll, and generally act your shoe size not your age
15:43<sney>meebey: meet me in #debian-offtopic for a second if you would
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15:46<ivanov>"soir :)
15:46<pooky>i accidently clicked something that hid it fro mme automaticaly thank you tho sney
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15:48<dmbaturin>nyov: I installed pulseaudio and it seems to work now. Weird.
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15:48<nyov>dmbaturin: oh good.
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15:51<dmbaturin>nyov: Still no sound in skype calls to me thouh, people say it's ok from me.
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15:52<nyov>dmbaturin: check your skype settings for audio
15:52<nyov>dmbaturin: make sure it's set to pulseaudio
15:52<dmbaturin>nyov: Now there are pulseaudio devices as the only cjoice.
15:52<dmbaturin>"Make test sound" works fine.
15:52<nyov>dmbaturin: if there is no pulse listed, get a newer skype version
15:53<nyov>oh ok
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15:54<nyov>dmbaturin: maybe it's a problem with some mixer levels
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15:55<dmbaturin>nyov: Checking now, no channels muted.
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15:59<nyov>dmbaturin: well sounds strange, skype makes a sound, but not incall -- sorry can't help you there. but also check out pavucontrol
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16:00<dmbaturin>nyov: NP, thanks for your help. Editing of /etc/asound.conf appeared to fix my trouble (and troubles with flash too).
16:01<dmbaturin> Found on the net, maybe useful for someone else too.
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16:02<dmbaturin>My first day with debian was eh... eventful :)
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16:09<naveed>I need help on Bash script
16:10<dmbaturin>naveed: What's up?
16:10<sney>bash scripting is hard when you reach for the floor
16:10<naveed>dmbaturin: I am fine man..what about you man?
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16:11<naveed>sney:) yeah i know
16:11<dmbaturin>naveed: Everything is ok after some hours fighting with sound. What is the trouble with script?
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16:13<naveed>man ; actually i am writing script in parts
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16:14<babilen>naveed: #bash on freenode is probably a better place to ask.
16:14<naveed>dmbaturin: i have to write script to count file on remote server based on Date in their name
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16:15<JtheLinuxGuy>Quick question guys, what is a command I can run to make sure eth0 is connected at Gigabit speed?
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16:15<naveed>and then move those remote files on remote server and then count again files and then delete on remote machine
16:16<dmbaturin>JtheLinuxGuy: mii-tool probably would help.
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16:17<jcjones>nyov, sney: first I was reluctant to install fglrx because I tried that elsewhere onces but that worked really poorly (slow, low resolution, etc)
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16:17<jcjones>but on this laptop it's really okay
16:17<jcjones>so thanks to you for your time and patience ... again
16:18<naveed> dmbaturin: i have to write script to count file on remote server based on Date in their name
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16:19<Dennis_>Hello, I've tried installing tcl8.5 - But it says that tcl is an unknown command and eggdrop can't install either. What do I have to install in order to make tcl work?
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16:19<dmbaturin>naveed: I would use find for it.
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16:20<chealer>Dennis_: if you don't mind, what do you want to do?
16:20<naveed>find can be use to search file based on pattern in filename like date???
16:20<JtheLinuxGuy>mii-tool reports that the command isn't found. I googled it and it shows that its part of net-tools, but Debian reports that net-tools is already installed
16:20<naveed>dmbaturin :find can be use to search file based on pattern in filename like date???
16:20<Dennis_>chealer: I'm trying to install eggdrop-1.20 :)
16:20<dmbaturin>JtheLinuxGuy: It's in /sbin/mii-tool
16:21<dmbaturin>$ sudo mii-tool eth0
16:21<dmbaturin>eth0: no link
16:21<dmbaturin>naveed: Yes, a regex can be used as a serch criteria, as I remember.
16:21<chealer>Dennis_: so it needs to be 1.6.20, 1.6.19 wouldn't suffice?
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16:21<MrFrood>su -c 'mii-tool eth0'
16:21<JtheLinuxGuy>Thanks dmbaturin. It runs if I run it from sbin as you said. Isn't sbin part of $PATH? I would think it would be so I can run the command directly
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16:22<Dennis_>chealer: Well.. 1.6.20 is the newest, and might contain some fixes.
16:22<dmbaturin>JtheLinuxGuy: As I've found it's not in the $PATH for non-root users by default.
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16:22<naveed>dmbaturin: I did not use find,, i made a script yet but a lot of issue in it
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16:23<JtheLinuxGuy>Thanks dmbaturin. It says that I'm negotiating at 1000baseT so I should be good :)
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16:23<Guest115>i need a simple method to an lan hack
16:23<naveed>dmbaturin: can you tell me how to count file based on date in specific directory and then save in variable????
16:23<Guest115>any help guys
16:23<chealer>Dennis_: are you aware that Debian offers an eggdrop 1.6.19 package, which you wouldn't need to manually install?
16:23<dmbaturin>find, then wc -l
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16:23<towo`>Guest115, go, play elsewhere
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16:24<Dennis_>chealer: I am, yes. And I'm going to stick with it, since I don't want to bother with installing tcl :)
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16:24<Guest115>thanks for right answer bro
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16:27<dmbaturin>naveed: I would try combination of find and wc -l
16:28<naveed>dmbaturin::plz can you write it for me
16:29<ompaul>naveed: please stop you have attention in #bash and will be helped if you do what you are asked.
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16:31<benny>is it possible to install a geforce 8400m gt on debian? found driver for linux but can't install
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16:33<retrospectacus>!tell benny about nvidia
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16:33<retrospectacus>benny: certainly, no problem. There's lots of docs
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16:38<krux>does anybody computer freeze when in screen saver mode?
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16:40*MrFrood wonders who still uses screensavers :-/
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16:41<dvs>MrFrood: But it can burn your... oh... nevermind.
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16:42<jhutchins_lt>krux: There are lots of screensavers.
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16:43<krux>What ever comes with the screen saver on xubuntu. It'll be using a screen saver and then freeze the computer
16:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:43<retrospectacus>I use screensavers! Mostly a) to lock my screen at work b) they look cool
16:43<jhutchins_lt>krux: If it still freezes after you install debian, let us know.
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16:44<cahoot>krux: when presenting your problem in #ubuntu it might be useful to tell what videodriver you use
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16:46<MrFrood>retrospectacus: screen locking with programs such as i3lock is the way to go (i3lock + a win 3.1 screenshot can be great fun ;))
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16:52<benny>do i have to disable x server to install geforce drivers? :/
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16:53<retrospectacus>benny: no, but you could do the install from a tty to be safe
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16:54<chealer>benny: no, you only need to restart X to switch drivers.
16:55<shankha>Hi all. I'm a programmer and wish to join in Debian's development. Can any one please tell me as to how to join as a Debian developer?
16:55<dpkg>somebody said mentors was the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. #debian-mentors on
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16:57<shankha>How can I contact any mentor?
16:58<daemonkeeper>Please read the nmg and
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17:01<@mentor>shankha: Hi!
17:01<shankha>Can you help me?
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17:02<@mentor>shankha: Not really, but I thought it would be funny
17:03<shankha>mentor: Did not really get you!!!
17:03<daemonkeeper>shankha: In fact you could ask your real, particular question if you have any. To get a general idea, both resources I gave you are must reads.
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17:05<shankha>mentor : I went through the Debian docs but no where I could fine as to how to register as a programmer and take up any new or orphan projects..
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17:05<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at (refinable list at Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
17:06<shankha>mentor : I checked it. But could not join or take up any of them. There must be some process for doing so. I need to know the porcess.
17:06<daemonkeeper>If you want to contribute as programmer, you perhaps want to join a project upstream.
17:06<shankha>deamonkeeper: Sure. you got me.
17:06<shankha>How can I do so?
17:07<daemonkeeper>That's out of scope for Debian. Choose any open source project you are interested in, signup -devel mailing lists and start fixing bugs on the bug tracker (if any).
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17:08<shankha>OK. Got your point. Thanks.
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17:08<daemonkeeper>After you did, send the patch to upstream authors. Sooner or later they may invite you to join their project formally. This usually means to get write access to their VCS and other resources.
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17:09<shankha>Got your point.
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17:09<daemonkeeper>If you are particularly interested to help Debian as programmer, there are Debian internal projects as well, which need help.
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17:10<shankha>Sure. I would like to join in any of the internal projects. What is the process for that and how to really find them and sign up?
17:11<shankha>I went to the bug tracking system and found a lot of orphan projects on offer. I can work on a few of them. How I found no way to take them or join the team.
17:11<daemonkeeper>See Most of them use some script for their work. Especially the debian-installer folks always desperately seek help.
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17:12<daemonkeeper>Note WNPP/orphaned packages are a different thing. There you are not (primarly) supposed to program, but to maintain a package
17:13<shankha>Thanks for this info.
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17:13<shankha>I thought that they were new ones left half way done...
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17:14<daemonkeeper>Debian is a software distribution. While there are some Debian specific improvements, the vast majority of packages comes from a third party upstream source
17:14<daemonkeeper>This means people go to $project_page, download a source tarball and build a Debian package out of it.
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17:15<shankha>I mean after building the package, what is done?
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17:16<daemonkeeper>Nothing, maintain it. This means package new releases, improve documentation, fix bugs.
17:16<shankha>But I will not be authorized to commit the changes to vcs right!!!
17:17<nyov>+ Understanding and applying Debian policies
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17:17<daemonkeeper>As I said, those are different parties.
17:18<shankha>OK. daemonkeeper thanks a lot for helping me out.
17:18<daemonkeeper>There are upstream source providers (which can and are supposed to commit to their VCS) and occasionally produce a new version. On the other side there are Debian maintainer which produce a package out of this release.
17:19<shankha>Got your point.
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17:19<daemonkeeper>In some cases Debian maintainer will sooner or later join upstream development as well, as good maintainers will occasionally find bugs and patch them.
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17:20<shankha>OK. Thanks. I will have to leave now. Need some sleep. It's almost morning.
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17:37<retrospectacus>Guest125: hi. Knoppix is not supported here.
17:37<Guest125>hmm okay
17:38<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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18:10<null->how can I get the current monitor resolution from CLI?
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18:14<daemonkeeper>For what its worth, even if those are command line commands, they need a running X server nonetheless.
18:14<nyov>i should abstain from using apt-listbugs. it's making me uncomfortable every upgrade :/
18:14<retrospectacus>just abstain from upgrading, that's my solution
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18:15<nyov>retrospectacus: i still want squeeze though
18:16<sney>nyov: listbugs on stable is *mostly* pointless
18:16<retrospectacus>you want what? Squeeze is just a name - you mean you want "the version of xxx that is in squeeze"
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18:18<nyov>sney: ah it lists grave and serious bugs en masse, though
18:18<nyov>retrospectacus: doing 'dist-upgrade'
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18:19<null->to set the monitor resolution, xrandr --fb 1440x900 should work?
18:19<devil>nyov: if apt-listbugs puzzles you, stable is what you shoulb be using
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18:19<devil>null-: for that session, yes
18:20<nyov>devil: it does not puzzle me, it's just pages worth of reading. and scanning what of it *might* affect me, like this lvm2 thing right here
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18:20<devil>nyov: if syou do not use lvm, then you dont need care
18:20<nyov>devil: and yes it's lenny2squeeze, so stable
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18:21<nyov>devil: i do use lvm2 quite extensively
18:21<nyov>ok that was only some random cheeky comment there. i will continue using apt-listbugs ofcourse
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18:22<devil>nyov: i would expect apt-listbugs to be rather quiet in stable
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18:23<null->devil: I get xrandr: Failed to ge size of gamma for ouput default, any ideas? I'm running it as a normal user
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18:23<nyov>devil: you'd be surprised!
18:24<devil>null-: i seen that only with a monitor with brokrn edid info
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18:25<null->devil: I guess this vmware driver issue, I'm running squeeze in vmware workstation
18:25<null->I'll create a xorg to set if from there
18:26<devil>null-: thats important information :)
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18:29<retrospectacus>xrandr says that failed gamma thing for me too... I have dual-head nvidia, everything works great
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18:31<retrospectacus>null-: what is the actual problem?
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18:34<The_Pugilist>is anyone aware of a way to make iptables read from htaccess?
18:34<retrospectacus>The_Pugilist: no
18:34<retrospectacus>The_Pugilist: what do you want to do
18:35<The_Pugilist>block wide ranges of ip's
18:35<The_Pugilist>ie other continents
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18:35<retrospectacus>htaccess does not have a standard location or contents though...
18:35<The_Pugilist>my server has been under attack the last couple days for reasons unknown
18:36<The_Pugilist>and i would like to firewall requests comming from certain ranges of IP's
18:36<retrospectacus>The_Pugilist: if you have a list of IP addresses/ranges to block you could script up some iptables commands, sure
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18:37<retrospectacus>The_Pugilist: perhaps when you said "htaccess" you meant something else... An .htaccess file is an Apache directive file that can go anywhere and do numerous things
18:37<The_Pugilist>retrospectacus, this site ( has lists of ranges of IPs for different countries is there any way i could use this?
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18:39<The_Pugilist>essentially, being that its only me and a couple friends who would need access to this server (which is in the US) i would firewall other places to avoid hack attempts/DDOS etc
18:39<The_Pugilist>or at least thats the idea
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18:39<nyov>The_Pugilist: why do you want use .htaccess as a source?
18:40<retrospectacus>why not set the iptables policy to DROP and allow a certain few IPs through
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18:40<The_Pugilist>i guess i thought htaccess was something it isnt
18:41<null->retrospectacus: I'm trying to set a resolution for xorg
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18:41<The_Pugilist>i guess i could do that retrospectacus but id like to be able to log in from wherever
18:41<retrospectacus>null-, but this is a VMware window?
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18:41<nyov>The_Pugilist: you do have root access to that box?
18:41<TobiX>The_Pugilist: iptables == netfilter == kernel / htacess == apache == userspace - so, no go.
18:42<nyov>The_Pugilist: that's not so easily done ;) if you block in iptables, it's a block. so you could lock yourself out quite easily
18:42<nyov>portknocking aside...
18:42<null->retrospectacus: yes, I did in console as root 'Xorg -configure' , the move xorg.conf to /etc/X11 and added to it in the Screen section 'Modes "1440x900"
18:43<TobiX>Blocking that many IP ranges via Netfilter might really slow down the network, since the rules need to be processed for every packet that arrives on your server...
18:43<nyov>using ipsets might help for that
18:43<The_Pugilist>yes i do nyov
18:44<retrospectacus>The_Pugilist: use at your own risk, not tested: cat *_deny.txt |awk '{$1=='deny' && print $3}| while read net; do iptables -A INPUT -s $net -J DROP
18:44<TobiX>retrospectacus: Oh god.
18:45<null->retrospectacus: but xorg is ignoring the setting in xorg.conf, how else can I set the res?
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18:46<TobiX>null-: remove xorg.conf, use xrandrtray or xrandr
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18:46<The_Pugilist>ill look into that retrospectacus
18:46<retrospectacus>null-: something to do with vmware, not debian
18:46<nyov>fwiw I do believe those lists on that site are overly complex,
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18:48<TobiX>null-: Debian in VMWare? Installed xserver-xorg-video-vmware and is your Xorg using that driver?
18:48<nyov>The_Pugilist: maybe you want a gui for that. check out for example
18:48<null->TobiX: let me check
18:48<The_Pugilist>nyov, i would like to avoid a GUI if at all possible, the as the box is in the back of my house with a power and network cable only :P
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18:49<retrospectacus>The_Pugilist: another try: grep 'deny from' *_deny.txt | awk '{print $3}' |while read net; do iptables -A INPUT -s $net -J DROP ;done
18:49<nyov>The_Pugilist: if your comfortable with text-configuration, but not netfilter configs, I'd really recommend shorewall
18:50<nyov>but you will need some time to configure that correctly
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18:50<TobiX>Cool, geoip-xtables: :)
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18:50<null->TobiX: I have that installed but looks like xorg is loading vmwlegacy driver instead of vmwgfx
18:51<The_Pugilist>im really a noob tbh
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18:53<nyov>loads of options here
18:53<TobiX>null-: Try a minimal xorg.conf: Section "Device"\nIdentifier "foo"\nDriver "vmwgfx"\nEndSection
18:54<TobiX>Haha. xorg.conf man page: "VIDEOADAPTOR SECTION: Nobody wants to say how this works. Maybe nobody knows ..."
18:54<nyov>The_Pugilist: tbh I don't know what could fit your needs of those. some allow building rules on one machine then upload them to the 'firewall'
18:55<The_Pugilist>so what your saying nyov is configure it on a machine with a gui then copy the configs to the headless box?
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18:55<nyov>The_Pugilist: yes
18:56<The_Pugilist>good idea :)
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18:56<nyov>The_Pugilist: always make sure you have a safety switch, though.
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18:56<The_Pugilist>well i have phyical access to the computer so if i break it too badly i plug in a keyboard and mouse and go from there
18:56<nyov>The_Pugilist: maybe make the script revert back after 60 seconds, if you don't confirm it.
18:57<nyov>ah that's good ;)
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18:57<The_Pugilist>nyov, that is another good idea as well
18:57<TobiX>The_Pugilist: Thes lists might be easier to parse:
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18:58<TobiX>nyov: ferm does that automatically :)
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18:59<null->TobiX: ok
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19:08<h3llBug>hello all, well i need help, but my english not is very good, im from mexico. somebody can help me please
19:08<devil>h3llBug: ask
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19:10<h3llBug>well actually i have ubuntu, but i update the OS, and i have troubles, i like install debian, i think so its most powerfoul and stability
19:10<nyov>The_Pugilist: heres a truly small blacklist by sorted by NIC assignment, if you want to block everything ;) couldn't find the source anymore, so here
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19:11<retrospectacus>h3llBug: go ahead and install Debian. You can ask here if you have a problem
19:12<null->is there a official manual for compiling the kernel in debian?
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19:13<The_Pugilist>ty nyov
19:13<TobiX>null-: README.source in the kernel package? ...
19:14<h3llBug>in this channel exist support in spanish o its only english?
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19:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:14<null->TobiX: well, for creating a deb pkg for a newer kernel
19:15<TobiX>null-: I heared the vanilla kernel has a target to build a .deb these days....
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19:16<null->TobiX: ok, I'll look a it
19:17<null->TobiX: I gave up on running X in vmware workstation :P
19:17<TobiX>null-: Also, newer kernels are in experimental...
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19:18<TobiX>null-: See madison for availible versions:
19:18<raboof>i noticed Debian contains a version of some library which is outdated, which prevents me from building some application from source
19:18<nyov>null-: possibly try virtualbox? virtualbox-ose is even in the repositories
19:18<raboof>that means i should submit a 'feature request' bug against the source package, right?
19:19<TobiX>raboof: New versions are wishlist bugs IIRC.
19:19<null->nyov: yeah, I'll try it later
19:19<null->ah there's a newer kernel in backports
19:19<raboof>TobiX: right
19:19<TobiX>raboof: Which package?
19:20*null- downloads it to see if the .config has support for the carl9170 driver
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19:20<raboof>TobiX: libdesktop-agnostic (for building the latest awn, 'Avant Window Navigator', from source)
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19:22<TobiX>raboof: Seems 0.3.92 is already on mentors...
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19:23<raboof>TobiX: i see - uploaded in march
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19:25<raboof>TobiX: is it still worth submitting the bugreport just to show there's interest in this upgrade?
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19:26<TobiX>Hmm. Good question...
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19:29<gpm>hi. i'm trying to install a samsung print driver from a third party repository and i'm getting this error "Depends: libc6 (< 2.10) but 2.11.2-11 is installed." does this mean i need to download my lib6 to use these packages?
19:29<gpm>(i won't do it, obviously)
19:30<null->why does the debian installer actually do to erase data when creating a encrypted volume? like what command
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19:30<null->gpm: from what repo?
19:31<gpm>null-: deb debian extra
19:31<gpm>just the first thing i found googling for my model# + debian
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19:31<null->gpm: looks like it's very old
19:31<gpm>null-: i dunno it says he updated the page mar 8 this year...
19:32<SynrG>gpm: ignore it and start at the beginning. what model?
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19:34<TobiX>You could try to install the package with dpkg --force-depends or edit the .deb and try to install anyway... But. Ugh.
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19:36<nyov>gpm: this repository does look good, if you don't need a free driver
19:36<JtheLinuxGuy>Hello everyone, I need some help with Samba. My other computers cannot list shares on my Debian server. The error is "Timeout on server"
19:36<gpm>nyov: yes i do want the samsung (non-free) driver, but it won't install from the repository :(
19:36<SynrG>i usually start with
19:37<JtheLinuxGuy>I use the same config file on my Debian server as I do on my other Linux computers, my other Linux computers can see each-other
19:37<SynrG>if it isn't there (or is listed, but is junk) i avoid the printer
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19:37<gpm>SynrG: good advice for buying i'll keep it in mind.
19:37<nyov>gpm: check "Making Your Own Packages"
19:37<TobiX>gpm: maybe...
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19:38<gpm>i'll try nyov's suggestion of building my own. don't know how i missed that i was thinking of the same solution though
19:39<SynrG>printers that aren't well-supported can give you a hell of a time. it may be worth buying something else if yours isn't.
19:39<null->gpm: connect it to a windows box and use it via samba :D
19:40<gpm>SynrG: duly noted. now be quiet.
19:40<gpm>null-: haha always a good solution.
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19:40<SynrG>gpm: um? i'm not being flip. i thought you might find some value in my suggestion, having been down this road before.
19:40<gpm>SynrG: you're repeating yourself.
19:41<gpm>i'm in a bad mood.
19:41<sney>don't abuse the debian developers!
19:41<sney>they might put a nasty message about you in a package update.
19:41<gpm>consequences. my b.
19:41<sney>(that actually happened, but it was actually dev vs. dev infighting)
19:42<TobiX>gpm: - Not the exact model...
19:42<gpm>SynrG: my apologies.
19:43<TobiX>gpm: Did you already try ?
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19:44<jhutchins_lt>How does one wrap an existing block of text in vi?
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19:44<gpm>not yet
19:44<TobiX>gpm: Hmm... But that exact model is also not listed in that package...
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19:45<gpm>TobiX: just tried it. the test page says "INTERNAL ERROR - Please use the proper driver."
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19:49<TobiX>gpm: The current binary driver from Samsung seems to be from January: (version 3.00.63:07)
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19:49<gpm>sney: lol.
19:49<gpm>TobiX: yeah. i'm working on building my own debianized version of it.
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19:49<gpm>so i can manage it with dpkg
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19:51<TobiX>gpm: checkinstall? *runs&hides*
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19:51<gpm>TobiX: well, the guy who made the repo has some scripts i want to try
19:51<gpm>sney: whoa this flame war just gets better as you read
19:53<TobiX>LOL, "bucket of c***s"...
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19:57<gpm>yeah it's colorful
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19:59<gpm>hm. why would it need an OLD libc? seems like i should just edit the debian/config file (which i have open in vim) and be on my merry way
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20:02<nyov>gpm: I think that should work, if you want to fix and repack all those debs
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20:04<gpm>nyov: well it's only one that has the libc6 nonsense that i'd have to rebuild i think
20:04<gpm>i've already installed the others i need
20:04<dominique_>good evening
20:04<nyov>not good practice and might blow up on you, but as a quick hack I'd do it too
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20:05<gpm>nyov: well, i only need this package if i want to use samsung's configuration tool...which i might not need
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20:05<dominique_>could anyone help me install my sound card? i got no sound from my speakers at all and my mixer shows nothing but "Internal Audio Analogic Stereo".. I guess my installation didn't get my sound card
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20:06<dominique_>on my multimedia settings I only have internal audio analog stereo as well
20:06<sney>dominique_: what does it say in /proc/asound/cards
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20:07<dominique_>it says
20:07<dominique_>0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
20:07<dominique_> HDA Intel at 0xd4400000 irq 22
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20:08<dominique_>that's all
20:08<sney>pretty normal result
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20:08<sney>dominique_: what about lspci -nn |grep -i audio
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20:09<dominique_>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05)
20:10<sney>,pciid 8086:3b56
20:10<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
20:10<gpm>nyov: aw yeah it's goin
20:11<sney>dominique_: should just work out of the box. can you see if any channels are muted? install alsa-utils and run alsamixer in a terminal
20:11<nyov>gpm: test it first :)
20:11<dominique_>how do i do tha?t
20:11<dominique_>i'm pretty new in linux guys
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20:12<dominique_>apt-get install alsa-utils?
20:12<dominique_>is that all?
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20:12<nyov>yep, simple as that
20:12<dominique_>The following NEW packages will be installed:
20:12<dominique_> alsa-base alsa-utils linux-sound-base
20:12<dominique_>0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
20:13<dominique_>i guess it's not installed after all :)
20:13<dominique_>how do i run alsa from the terminal?
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20:13<nyov>aplay <your-sound-file>
20:14<nyov>what was that test file again?
20:14<sney>dominique_: I meant to run alsamixer and check for MM at the bottom of the columns. you'll see.
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20:15<nyov>sney: s/he just installed it. why not test it first
20:15<sney>nyov: because a lot of the time, muted channels is the whole problem.
20:15<sney>nyov: and alsa-base and alsa-utils are not required for sound to work.
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20:15<sney>they're just useful.
20:16<dominique_>alsamixer has only 2 channels
20:16<nyov>sney: thanks for clarifying
20:16<dominique_>and speakers are still mute
20:16<TobiX>dominique_: pulseaudio?
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20:16<dominique_>should i install pulseaudio?
20:17<dominique_>isn't it bad to have pulseaudio with alsamixer together?
20:17<sney>pulseaudio would not fix anything
20:17<TobiX>Well, is it installed? You only having two mixers sounds like it
20:17<sney>dominique_: it has 2 channels, what did it say in the boxes at the bottoms of those channels?
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20:18<dominique_>master pcm s/pdif capture
20:18<TobiX>That sounds like HDMI audio...
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20:18<dominique_>hit f5 it showed playback + capture channels
20:19<TobiX>Maybe your sound driver isn't loaded?
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20:19<TobiX>dominique_: Whic cards does F6 show?
20:19<dominique_>guess it's not
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20:19<dominique_>F6 = - (default) 0 HDA Intel
20:20<dominique_>enter device name...
20:20<dominique_>it shows those 3 options
20:20<sney>dominique_: this is what alsamixer looks like. see on the Master channel, how above where it says Master, it says 100, and then above that there's a box with 00? I'm looking for what it says instead of 00 in yours.
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20:20<TobiX>Hmm... HDA Intel looks like a valid onboard sound device...
20:20<sney>er, MM.
20:20<sney>HDA Intel is currently the most common onboard sound device.
20:21<dominique_>i guess my hdmi should look like that
20:21<dominique_>but i have only those four: master pcm s/pdif capture
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20:22<TobiX>Master and PCM look alright, thy should be at about ~70% each...
20:22<null->TobiX: how do you know his master/pcm setting?
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20:23<dominique_>they're both 100% in mine
20:23<nyov>null-: xD
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20:23<TobiX>And the box below should show OO and not MM
20:23<dominique_>shouldn't i reboot after installing alsa?
20:23<TobiX>null-: I was just assuming a level where sound should be hearable....
20:23<sney>you didn't install alsa, alsa is part of the kernel. you just installed some tools.
20:24<dominique_>but shouldn't i reboot after that?
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20:24<sney>no, you very rarely need to reboot
20:24<TobiX>dominique_: Try "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav"
20:24<sney>only reboot for reloading drivers or replacing your kernel
20:25<dominique_>Playback device is default
20:25<dominique_>Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
20:25<dominique_>WAV file(s)
20:25<dominique_>Rate set to 48000Hz (requested 48000Hz)
20:25<dominique_>Buffer size range from 2048 to 8192
20:25<dominique_>Period size range from 1024 to 1024
20:25<dominique_>Using max buffer size 8192
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20:25<dominique_>Periods = 4
20:25<dominique_>was set period_size = 1024
20:26<dominique_>was set buffer_size = 8192
20:26<dominique_> 0 - Front Left
20:26<dominique_> 1 - Front Right
20:26<dominique_>sorry, guess i got too much
20:26<vagvaf>hello, i was wondering if i can use an existing debian installation as a "live cd" to install another debian system on a different partition
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20:26<TobiX>dominique_: That should play test sounds...
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20:26<dominique_>it didn't
20:27<dominique_>nothing came out
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20:27<dominique_>i guess i don't have the driver installed
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20:27<dominique_>because on my old debian i used to have intel, intel hdmi and pulse audio on my multimedia settings
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20:29<sney>vagvaf: do you mean clone the existing install, or bootstrap the second partition?
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20:29<vagvaf>sney, bootstrap, using a different debian .iso
20:30<vagvaf>basically i want to save me the trouble of burning/creating live usbs\
20:31<nyov>dominique_: you had those in pulseaudio I assume?
20:32<dominique_>nyov: how do I check it?
20:32<nyov>dominique_: did you check your speakers are plugged in correctly, on, and all those things?
20:32<dominique_>nyov: it's a laptop
20:32<dominique_>nyov: the volume is up to 100%
20:32<nyov>aptitude install alsa-oss
20:33<nyov>for the hdmi-mixer I guess, at least that's what shows up here
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20:33<sney>vagvaf: debootstrap
20:33<dominique_>it installed alsa-oss but everything it still the same
20:34<nyov>dominique_: what desktop environment or window manager do you use?
20:34<vagvaf>sney, wow! i didn't expect that there is a proper tool! thanks
20:34<nyov>then you have or want phonon I think
20:35<nyov>dominique_: can't help you there
20:35<dominique_>do i have to uninstall alsa or alsa-oss?
20:37<sney>dominique_: nope
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20:37<sney>dominique_: ask in #debian-kde, they might have more wisdom
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20:39<dominique_>before my disk get burned, i did it with help from here... i'll try debian-kde anyway
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20:48<dominique>does anyone have another idea on what to do to install my sound card?
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20:50<cockroach>dominique: i haven't really been paying attention, but i guess you tried all this:
20:50<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <default alsa>. #alsa on
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20:54<dominique>dpkg: does it work for kde?
20:54<dpkg>dominique: are you smoking crack?
20:54<dominique>is dpkg a robot or a real person? I always fall for that *lol*
20:55<cockroach>heh, it's a bot
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20:57<gpm>my scanner shows up with sane-find-scanner but not with scanimage -L, any clues as to what i should do?
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21:05<SynrG>gpm: ah, the scanner part of your mfp, hm?
21:05<sney>dominique: it's installed, just not configured.
21:06<SynrG>humm. i've never used scanimage. instead, i always use xsane.
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21:07<SynrG>does it not show up there, either?
21:07<dominique>sney: I don't know.. why is it not showing anything on multimedia settings? living without a sound card is soooo hard *lol*
21:07<gpm>SynrG: yeah. i figured it out though! i think the problem was i was using my fancy new usb3 ports
21:08<gpm>anyway it works on the usb2 ones.
21:08<SynrG>ah, good
21:08<SynrG>gpm: so both printer & scanner part of your mfp work now? that's great
21:08<gpm>SynrG: but really, a printer designed to play nice with debian would've been cool :-/
21:08<sney>dominique: the intel-hda *is* your sound card. it's installed, it just isn't making sound for some reason, so it's a configuration problem. I bet kde is interfering somehow, but I don't know enough about kde to say for sure.
21:08<SynrG>gpm: just don't breathe on it now or it might break :p
21:08<gpm>SynrG: yeah. samsung *does* make a driver, it *is* a PITA though.
21:08<gpm>haha exactly.
21:09<gpm>anyway this puts me in a slightly better mood so hopefully i won't be a butthole to anyone.
21:09<SynrG>heh. no problem :)
21:09<sney>printers that speak postscript natively are the best, they're not "designed to play nice with debian" but they might as well be
21:09<SynrG>i totally sympathize. i *hate* printers
21:09<SynrG>my hate isn't limited to using them with linux either
21:10<gpm>oh no doubt
21:10<sney>I used to be a printer technician. my understanding of this goes deep
21:10<sney>the hate, I mean.
21:10<k-man>can anyone suggest a tool I can use to detect clipping in mp3 files? (command line based)
21:10<SynrG>well, off to bed folks. nite
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21:16<w3asel>buenas noches gente!!
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21:16<nyov>buenas noches w3asel
21:16<nyov>hmm I love my lilo. nothing fancy, it just works
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21:19*dvs looks for stitch
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21:22<jhutchins_lt>I'm a lilo fan too, but I use grub because I got tired of fighting.
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21:23<dvs>come... to the dark side!
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21:28<nyov>GRUBGRUBGRUB .. that's the dark side
21:29<quant>what's dark about it? :)
21:29<nyov>that it doesn't boot my machine with that output
21:30<quant>ah, sorry, wasn't following ;-)
21:30<nyov>never had to get to the datacenter because of lilo faulting though.
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21:41<SABE-TUDO>nossa, como queimei neuronios para fazer o java 64 funcionar no debian 64 com firefox 64
21:41<SABE-TUDO>queimei meus neuronios de sabetudo :)
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21:46<major>im installing squeeze, in the partitioning what the B and the K stand for next to the partitions?
21:47<major>B is boot probably
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21:52<retrospectacus>B is boot. K might mean "keep data"
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21:54*dvs suddenly wants a Whopper
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21:55<major>thanks retrospectacus :)
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22:22<dominique>sney: i checked gnome and my sound card is not working in that too
22:23<dominique>sney: same problem.. mixer and multimedia settings only shows internal analog stereo
22:23<dominique>sney: maybe i have to install the other 'virtual cards'
22:24<sney>what do you want me to tell you? "internatl analog stereo" is the name of your card. I have snd-hda-intel on 2 computers and it works fine. I don't know what 'virtual cards' you're talking about but I think they are something that might have been in a previous Debian version, but not anymore
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22:25<sney>your card does not require firmware so it isn't that. is your user in the 'audio' group?
22:25<dominique>sney: before i install this new disk in my computer, i had debian squeeze for one week and it used to show internal analog stereo twice, intel hdmi and pulseaudio on multimedia setting and the mixer used to have a lot of controlers, as well as alsamixer
22:26<dominique>sney: yes, i've checked that
22:26<sney>dominique: do you have more than one sound card in your computer?
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22:26<dominique>sney: how can i check that?
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22:27<sney>lspci and look for anything that looks like a sound card
22:27<dvs>dominique: Does your video card have HDMI?
22:28<dominique>dvs: yes
22:29<dominique>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
22:29<dominique>only this one seems to be about audio
22:29<dominique>can i paste all lspci here?
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22:30<dominique>if that helps, my kde info center says audio devices: not enabled in config; synth devices: not enabled in config; midi devices: not enabled in config; mixers: not enabled in config
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22:34<sney>dominique: if you do lsmod, do you see snd-hda-intel loaded?
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22:35<sney>that looks like a laptop, so 'extra' sound cards are very unlikely
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22:36<dominique>sney: yes, it is a laptop
22:36<sney>it's a mystery, everything there says it should be working
22:36<dominique>sney: it is a hp g42-230br, if that helps
22:36<nyov>dominique: aptitude install phonon ? well I don't know thing about kde4...
22:36<sney>nyov: stuff like speaker-test and aplay should work regardless of phonon
22:36<dvs>sney: look at line 3
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22:37<mercutio22>I could't find a debian live cd for ppc64. Is it available somewhere obscure?
22:37<dominique>phonon is already the newest version.
22:37<dominique>phonon set to manually installed.
22:37<sney>dvs: the hdmi codec? yeah, he's got a hdmi output on the video.
22:37<dominique>The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
22:37<dominique> libxcb-render-util0
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22:38<dominique>*she :D
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22:40<dominique>should i be happy for that? ¬¬
22:42<sney>dominique: at this point I recommend that you go to #alsa and ask them
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22:43<nyov>dominique: as root: alsactl init 0
22:43<nyov>dominique: as root: alsa force-reload
22:43<nyov>try these two
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22:43<dvs>dominique: I'd try running this as root: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=auto index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
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22:44<dominique>for alsactl init 0: Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel G45 DEVIBX" "HDA:10ec0270,103c1425,00100100 HDA:80862804,80860101,00100000" "0x103c" "0x1425"
22:44<dominique>for alsa force-reload
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22:45<mercutio22>There seems no livecd of any distros but gentoo for ppc64. I just need to dd some disks. Could I do it from the debian netinstall cd somehow, by dropping to a maintenance shell
22:45<dominique>Terminating processes: 1991 12641 12671 12696 (with SIGKILL:) 12725 (failed: processes still using sound devices: 12750(pulseaudio)).
22:45<mercutio22>I am not sure we have dd there
22:45<dominique>/usr/sbin/alsa: Warning: Processes using sound devices: 12750(pulseaudio).
22:45<dominique>Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc).
22:45<dominique>Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device snd-page-alloc.
22:45<mercutio22>and fdisk
22:46<nyov>dominique: then: killall pulseaudio
22:46<sney>mercutio22: would ppc32 work? if you just need a recovery environment that is
22:46<nyov>dominique: then try to play something :o
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22:47<dominique>and still the mixer and multimedia settings are the same
22:48<dominique>what if i try removing pulseaudio?
22:48<nyov>are you in KDE?
22:48<nyov>i think kde is not using pulseaudio
22:48<mercutio22>sney: my IBM epower box does not seem to boot unless I feed it ppc64
22:48<nyov>am I wrong?
22:49<sney>nyov: she said it failed in gnome as well, so it would appear to be kde-unrelated
22:49<sney>mercutio22: ah, no surprise there really. the gentoo livecd would certainly have useful utilities like dd and fdisk, though, since using those is a major part of their install
22:49<nyov>sney: just if phonon and pulse are wrecking each other? idk if phonon is on top of pulse or not
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22:52<dominique_>guys, we're in the right direction
22:52<nyov>how do you figure?
22:53<dominique_>i removed pulseaudio and reboot and now my multimedia settings show intel hda generic, intel hdmi and jack audio connection kit
22:53<dominique_>but alsamixer still doesn't show all the channels, as well as kmixer
22:53<dominique_>and still no sound
22:54<dominique_>kmixer now shows master and pcm
22:55<dominique_>all four channels from alsamixer are now on kmixer
22:55<dominique_>but still no sound
22:56<dvs>dominique_: What are you using to test the sound?
22:56<dominique_>an mp3
22:57<dominique_>and youtube
22:57<dominique_>and multimedia settings test
22:57<dvs>dominique_: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav
22:59<dvs>dominique: I'd try running this as root: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=auto index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
22:59<nyov>maybe it's not only your harddisk that burned -.-
22:59<dvs>then reboot
23:00<dominique_>what will that do?
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23:00<dvs>make the hda soundcard first
23:01<dominique_>the first time i installed debian, i had such a problem with my sound card and i got help from here.. but at that time i had tried a lot of things first and then we had to fix somethings first and then install it properly.. that's why i don't know exectly what we did
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23:01<dominique_>but it's not burned for sure
23:01<dominique_>it just came back from factory
23:01<nyov>dominique_: that speaker-test, did that say something about 'connection refused' or likewise?
23:02<dominique_>Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
23:02<dominique_>WAV file(s)
23:02<dominique_>Rate set to 48000Hz (requested 48000Hz)
23:02<dominique_>Buffer size range from 2048 to 8192
23:02<dominique_>Period size range from 1024 to 1024
23:02<dominique_>Using max buffer size 8192
23:02<dominique_>then it started testing
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23:03<dominique_>i'm pretty sure this is some issue with that sound card and debian
23:04<sney>waaait a minute
23:04<sney>I'm having a memory
23:04<nyov>this is just not right.
23:04<sney>have you tried rebuilding alsa
23:04<dominique_>the guy who helped me that other time said he had the same problem with a friend
23:04<dominique_>how do i do that?
23:04<sney>with module-assistant. aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i alsa-source
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23:05<dominique_>is that all a command line, including "with module-assistant" or should i use some module assistant?
23:05<nyov>start with "aptitude ...
23:05<dominique_>i'm sorry for so many dumb questions, it's just that i'm really new to linux
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23:06<sney>the thing beginning with 'aptitude' and ending in 'alsa-source' is all one command that you could paste into a root terminal
23:08<dominique_>i guess it's installing a lot of things for gnome and removing things used by kde, am i right?
23:08<sney>module-assistant? no, nothing to do with either
23:08<sney>it's just rebuilding the alsa kernel modules. the drivers, if you will.
23:08<nyov>sney: I wonder where you're going with this ;)
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23:08<sney>this occasionally solves the "everything seems fine but there's no sound" problem.
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23:09<sney>I give it maybe a 25% chance of working
23:09<dominique_>apparentily, it went fine untill here
23:09<dominique_>bash: m-a-a-i: command not found
23:09*dvs shrugs
23:10<nyov>dominique_: it's m-a a-i not m-a-a-i
23:10<sney>yeah, it's short form for module-assistant auto-install. m-a a-i.
23:11<dominique_>something blue blinked and now it is installing
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23:11<dominique_>building alsa-source step 1
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23:13<nyov>all this talk abou pa just had me *almost* installing pulseaudio on this server here when I wanted rsyslog. ugh
23:13<sney>autopilot fingers
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23:14<dominique_>there will be a day when i'll be installing things on linux servers ;D
23:14<dominique_>for now, solving my sound problem is far good :D
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23:15<dominique_>sney: maybe you were in here first time i had this problem with the sound card
23:16<sney>it's possible
23:16<sney>I'm here a lot
23:16<sney>why, did it work?
23:16<dominique_>You should now stop all applications using sound devices
23:16<dominique_>and reload all ALSA sound modules.
23:16<dominique_>i don't know... i remember the first time it only worked after rebooting
23:17<nyov>alsa force-reload - should do it I think
23:17<dominique_>how do i do that stop applications and reload alsa?
23:17<dominique_>the reload-force?
23:17<sney>reboot is a pretty clean way to stop all applications and reload alsa, but force-reload should do it as well
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23:18<dominique_>hmm, i'm pretty sure we went back to step 0
23:19<dominique_>now my multimedia settings show oss default output and alsa default output
23:19<sney>might as well reboot just to be sure
23:19<sney>kde doesn't like being messed with while running, iirc
23:19<dominique_>and when i try to test anything, cames a message saying that they don't work properly
23:20<dominique_>and the kmixer were killed :D
23:20<dominique_>ok, brb
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23:20<nyov>maybe it's oss?
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23:21<sney>oss is basically obsolete
23:22<MrFrood>oss rocks
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23:22<dvs>oss sucks rocks
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23:23<MrFrood>dvs: depends on hw but on mine oss kicks alsa's rear end big time
23:23<dominique>i still don't have a clue of what you guys did, but it worrrrrrrrrrrked
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23:23<sney>!congratulate dominique
23:23<dpkg>Woohoo dominique, you did it!
23:23<dominique>sney: thank youuu
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23:23<dominique>!congratulate sney
23:23<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies sney, you did it!
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23:24<nyov>awesome. what a huch. maybe i should change to gentoo and build my stuff from source, always -.-
23:24<sney>I wouldn't go that far.
23:24<dominique>!congratulate nyov
23:24<dpkg>Good show nyov, you did it!
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23:25<sney>iirc the alsa-source in apt is a slightly higher version than the modules in the kernel, so it's the version step up that does it
23:25<nyov>well I did nothing but bark up wrong trees here... so thank sney
23:25<MrFrood>nyov: noooooooooooooooo... use Crux if you want a source based distro :)
23:25<edbian>My system is on a LAN and sometimes I can't get a DHCP address. This means that my boot process hangs on the DHCP request which takes about 20 seconds. Is there any way I can tell the system to continue booting before it gets a DHCP offer ?
23:25<nyov>MrFrood: just kidding, obviously
23:26<MrFrood>nyov: never!
23:28<nyov>dominique: now do a reinstall. just to make sure you remember all the steps
23:28<dominique>I only got 3 1/2 hour untill i have to wake up for work, so I'm leaving now... thank you all for all the help and patience :)
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23:50<saleem>how do i fix this error? W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ Hash Sum mismatch
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23:51<sney>saleem: try a different mirror
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23:53<saleem>sney, just tried and it got worse
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23:56<sney>saleem: try deleting the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and try again, that'll force apt to redownload the whole list
23:58<nyov>try aptitude instead
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23:58<nyov>just guessing again
23:59<saleem>sney, nope it did not work either
23:59<sney>same error?
23:59<saleem>running aptitude update now
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