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---Logopened Fri May 06 00:00:07 2011
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00:51<k1lumin4t1>any good modern webcam, with good specs, that works flawlessly under Linux?
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00:53<k1lumin4t1>I need something I could record myself playing guitar, with decent image quality, bitframe quality, but capturing sound through a line-in in my soundcard, not through the camera's built-in microphone
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00:58<roel_>hello hello
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01:02<Mizchief>SynrG: I attempted another reboot after sucessfully reinstalling GRUB - the system didn't come back online
01:03<twb>So <random internet post> says that wpa_supplicant ships with a program "eapol_test" that I can use to test my new FreeRADIUS server prior to setting up the AP (i.e. RADIUS NAS).
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01:03<twb>But apt-file says no package provides eapol_test -- what gives?
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01:08<th>k1lumin4t1, as far as i know, webcam which use UVC will work flawlessly under Linux
01:08<th>and other major OS too
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01:09<k1lumin4t1>th, how could I find out which cameras use it?
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01:10<twb>trial and error
01:10<k1lumin4t1>twb, hehehe
01:10<k1lumin4t1>I need to buy one
01:10<cahoot> k1lumin4t1
01:11<k1lumin4t1>cahoot, thanks
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01:17<zverco>всем привет
01:18<zverco>кто подскажет как на только что установленной debian настроить инет. Причем у нас локалка и прокси.
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01:21<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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01:22<edbian>Ubuntu uses launchpad to report bugs. What does Debian use?
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01:34<george_>I have a Lexmark x7675, is there a special driver for printers in Debian or should I use the one from their website?
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01:35<george_>can anyone assist, this is kind of urgent?
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01:42<ayaka>I have set APT::Default-Release "stable"; , how to check it?
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01:43<aussa>have any of you use irrxml?
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01:43<Revan199>Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/www/", line 147, in ? overview() File "/var/www/", line 17, in overview pgp_key_id = pgp_key.keys()[0] IndexError: list index out of range
01:44<Revan199>what does it means?
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01:45<ayaka>Revan199, there is somthing wrong in server
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01:46<webad_13>does anyone have an idea how I could disable cursor blinking in debian console (tty) - it is quite annoying
01:48<webad_13>setterm -cursor off works fine until I start vim
01:48<webad_13>then blinking returns and I need to reissue the command to disable it
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01:50<Zaba>hmm. What's the easiest way to get to a shell once I've booted a debian installer over pxe?
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01:51<Zaba>if I don't intend to install anything just yet
01:51<ayaka>!tell Zaba pxe
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01:52<ayaka>!tell Zaba about pxe
01:52<Zaba>I just want to know what's the easiest way to access the busybox shell from the installer menu.
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01:56<chealer>Zaba: switch to another TTY, tty3 for example
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01:57<Zaba>ah, yes, that works, thanks
01:58<chealer>ayaka: $ apt-config dump ?
02:00<ayaka>chealer, I should say how to make it on
02:02<chealer>ayaka: what do you mean by make it on?
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02:06<george_>anyone know what "/usr/lexinkjet/08zero/bin/printdriver failed" means?
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02:13<aussa>recommended utility to cut images from desktop?
02:16<nyov>aussa: cut images from desktop? :D try a knife if it's a wooden desktop
02:18<nyov>aussa: scrot is a screenshot tool, aptitude search scrot
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02:19<nyov>alas, it's for the commandline
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02:35<aussa>how can I assign this: scrot '%Y-%m-%d_$wx$h_scrot.png' -e 'mv $f ~/Pictures/shots/' -s to a keyboard shortcut, I'm using xfce, I just paste that into the "command" space, but it isn't working... any advice?
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02:36<aussa>the command space of the keyboard application shortcuts
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02:39<skyshadow>lol just installed linux
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02:39*skyshadow lol
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02:40*skyshadow just trying irc
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02:41*skyshadow @_@ why is nobody talking
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02:42<Revan199>what to say?
02:42*skyshadow just chat
02:43<Revan199>I'm rewriting a script that builds deb-package from sources
02:43<skyshadow>@_@ i just started to learn programming haha
02:44<skyshadow>=.=going to bed gn ppl
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02:44<Revan199>because when I started to upgrade this script from script that builds with dpkg --build, I don't think that it would look like piece of crap
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03:16<Kj>Would anyone here be able to help a guy out? I'm trying to get B43 wireless drivers; however I'm having problems downloading fwcutter...
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03:18<gsimmons>Kj: What problems are you experiencing?
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03:19<Kj>I'm trying the command "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter" in the superuser terminal, but I'm getting the following response "Reading package lists... Done
03:19<Kj>Building dependency tree
03:19<Kj>Reading state information... Done
03:19<Kj>E: Unable to locate package b43-fwcutter
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03:20<Kj>srry, kicked for pasting
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03:20<Kj>"Unable to locate package b43-fwcutter"
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03:21<gsimmons>Kj: Please use a pastebin for anything more than two lines. The b43-fwcutter package is in contrib, you will need to amend /etc/apt/sources.list (/msg dpkg contrib). Also, which Debian version are you using?
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03:22<Kj>I'm using 6.0.1.a
03:23<bluewater>you could try, apt-get install firmware-linux firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree ,, provided contrib and non-free are active in sources
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03:24<gsimmons>bluewater: All of those referenced packages do not contain Broadcom wireless LAN microcode.
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03:24<bluewater>gsimmons: damn ok ta
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03:24<gsimmons>Kj: You probably want to install one of the firmware-b43-* packages ("apt-cache search firmware-b43"), as the b43-fwcutter package itself no longer acquires/extracts firmware as of Squeeze.
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03:27<Kj>Aaah, ok, thanks guys. You'll have to forgive me, this is my first push to a linix kernal so I'm still at the bowels of the learning curve. Is "apt-cache search firmware-b43" a terminal command?
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03:28<Nowayz>hai deb
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03:29<Kj>The reason I ask, is because it has no effect in the terminal for me.
03:29<Nowayz>How can I run chrome as root
03:30<gsimmons>Kj: You still need to adjust your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
03:30<Revan199>Nowayz: 1. for what reason; 2. what the problem is?
03:30<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Kj -about contrib
03:30<Nowayz>I'm in single user mode
03:30<Nowayz>Chrome checks to see if it's root, and refuses to run
03:31<Revan199>su <user> ?
03:32<Nowayz>(google-chrome:6105): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
03:32<Nowayz>That's what happens when I su user
03:32<Revan199>X ?
03:32<Nowayz>I'm using kde
03:32<Revan199>X & *
03:32<Revan199>run KDE as <user>
03:33<Revan199>su <user>
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03:33<Revan199>and then /etc/init.d/kdm start
03:33<Revan199>no =)
03:33<Revan199>just /etc/init.d/kdm start
03:33<Kj>gsimmons: ok, thanks much for the lead! I'll check further into resources
03:33<ansgar>Nowayz: Simply don't run it as root. Problem solved.
03:34<Nowayz>I was in init
03:34<Nowayz>init 1
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03:35<Kj>gsimmons: quick question - can I use Synaptic in place of Aptitude?
03:36<gsimmons>Kj: Use whatever package manager frontend you are comfortable with.
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03:41<DASDSASDASD>i have question
03:41<DASDSASDASD>should i use debian or ubuntu thank youu
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03:42<Revan199>DASDSASDASD: as you wish
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03:44<Kj>Another question - is there a resource page or database of active repositories, the one I'm trying to use is inactive
03:45<Revan199>/etc/apt/sources.list & /etc/apt/sources.list.d
03:45<DASDSASDASD>should i use debian or ubuntu thank youu
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03:46<Revan199>DASDSASDASD: use debian %)
03:47<DASDSASDASD>ok for home pc too ?
03:47<DASDSASDASD>i like gnome 2
03:47<Revan199>yes =)
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03:47<DASDSASDASD>is it faster than ubuntu ?
03:47<DASDSASDASD>and morestable
03:47<Revan199>yes, it is
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03:49<Kj>Revan199: sorry, I meant for adding more to the list of repositories. I need to find a source that includes the b43 drivers
03:49<Revan199>maybe firmware-linux ?
03:49<Revan199>with contrib non-free added of course
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03:53<armani>i had some errors and i used fsck to check for errors on my system and it fixed it, however, when i rebooted and remounted, the fstab still said errors=re-mount-ro, my question is, can i just edit that file and reboot without any problems, or is it still finding errors, thus that's why it's not automatically changing back to rw?
03:54<Kj>Revan199: thanks!
03:55<Revan199>Kj: =)
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03:57<Revan199>if there any method to update hash in .dsc and .changes files?
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04:11<angga>?msg dpkg new website
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04:12<angga>Ubuntu, Mint or Debian?
04:13<babilen>angga: You are asking in #debian -- Which answer do you expect?
04:14<angga>yea you're rite
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04:15<babilen>angga: That being said: I don't think that any of those are a bad decision. Installing Debian comes with the additional benefit that you get support in here and
04:15<babilen>!why debian
04:15<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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04:15<babilen>!install debian
04:15<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions, and ask me about <offline squeeze install>. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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04:17<angga>I'm not switching to Debian
04:17<babilen>angga: Please ask the bot directly (/msg dpkg FACTOID) about: <install guide> <netinstall> <various cd1> <installer firmware> <firmware images> if you want more information about the installation process. Have a nice day!
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04:17<angga>I'm on a Debian machine, I just have to choose what distro should my friend use
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04:18<angga>yeah thanks
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04:18<babilen>just ping if you need more :)
04:19<Mizchief>Can anyone help me with a GRUB issue?
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04:19<babilen>Mizchief: Not if you make it a secret what that issue is ;)
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04:20<Mizchief>To give a bit of background, when rebooted, server doesn't come back unless manually rebooted by the DC techs - purged and reinstalled GRUB after some help last night, but it still never came back after a reboot
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04:21<Mizchief>According to the DC techs, it's trying to boot to (hd0,2) when it really needs (hd0,1)
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04:23<babilen>So, grub is starting, but selecting/booting a kernel fails because the device map is borked?
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04:24<Mizchief>I guess so? I'm not very good with this stuff - but reinstalled GRUB yesterday without any errors (eventually lol)
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04:36<babilen>Mizchief: Ok, I don't see anything inherently wrong with that configuration. What are the exact errors you get (if you know them), how did you install/configure grub2? Do you have access to the machine? If so, could you paste the output of "blkid" and:
04:36<SynrG>Mizchief: the boot device *is*, in fact, /dev/sda, then? and your /boot/grub/ is correct? and you've run 'update-grub' to regenerate the grub.conf?
04:36<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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04:37*thomax sighs
04:37<SynrG>babilen: we got as far as 'grub-install /dev/sda' yesterday
04:37<babilen>SynrG: ah!
04:38*babilen should have just read yesterday's log :)
04:38<thomax>i still can't get mysql installed under testing/unstable because of the ongoing perl transition. is there any date when this might be done?
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04:39<babilen>thomax: -- check the pkg-perl and -release mailing list for further details discussions.
04:41<Mizchief>SynrG: Yes I did actually.
04:41<Mizchief>As you can imagine, my mistake - I specified a root directory when it wasn't even needed
04:41<Mizchief>So it seems my problem has now been resolved
04:43<SynrG>ah. good, then
04:43<Mizchief>Thanks for all of the help
04:44<babilen>Mizchief: Ruber duck debugging? -- good that it is working now.
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04:44<babilen>rubber even
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04:46<thomax>thanx babilen
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04:53<@weasel>babilen: shouldn't it work on just testing?
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05:08<ESC-ap>wie ktoś czy najnowszy debian wspiera grafikę nvidia 330m?
05:10<dpkg>[pl] polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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05:22<lancelot_of>hi all
05:23<lancelot_of>how to play mp3s continuously in mp3blaster?After playing one song it stops and i've to return on it in order to play another in the same playlist
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06:27<armani>ok for some reason when i do things in console, the font changes to messed up ascii...even the user@host#, when i do an fsck there doesn't seem to be any problems with the filesystem, what's going on here?
06:28<Zaba>'reset' might be able to bring it back to a normal condition
06:28<LeuX>armani: just type reset and go on
06:29<LeuX>ah, Zabayou were first :)
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06:30<armani>interesting... thanks Zaba & LeuX ... any reason why the system does that? is it because i installed chinese and japanese fonts?
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06:31<LeuX>armani: it must have someth todo with characters, that are interpreted as an escape sequence
06:32<LeuX>which is why it often happens when you do "cat /dev/random"
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06:33<armani>oh wow...thanks LeuX ! i was so afraid i had to do yet another complete reinstall...thanks!
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06:34<LeuX>armani: you will never have to do that on a linux machine
06:35<armani>haha true... very true!
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06:37<Zaba>it's very well true without the 'haha' part :>
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06:52<sml>Hi people. :)
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06:53<sml>Quick question about LDAP. Is it advisible to NOT put your LDAP server on an internet host?
06:53<nevyn> sml someone's probably going to say it's a bad move.
06:53<nevyn>I think authentication should be federated.
06:54<nevyn>but then I'm crazy
06:54<nevyn>and I hate usernames and passwords.
06:54<sml>nevyn: the problem is if I want a centralised email and authentication server, where else do I put the server?
06:55<nevyn>sml: if you want both functions on one system that's probably the best option.
06:55<sml>Also is combining these two differing types of data (user accounts and email addresses) a good idea?
06:55<lancelot_of>how to play mp3s continuously in mp3blaster?After playing one song it stops and i've to return on it in order to play another in the same playlist
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07:01<sml>nevyn: thing is if it stores all your email addresses then sticking it on the web is a good place to keep it but then it makes it a great target for spammers. Maybe I should keep it on the web but only allow access from localhost. And then just use an ssh tunnel to access LDAP always.
07:01<sml>that would work?
07:01<xtoaster>hi, is offline ? I cant open it here. and my site hosted by them.
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07:02<xtoaster>can you guys access ?
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07:02<nevyn>sml: that would work.
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07:03<sml>xtoaster: there is a website for checking server uptime
07:04<sml>erm, availability.
07:04<xtoaster>great which one?
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07:04<tabbernuk>What is the macro to refer to current package name in debian/rules file? Or is there some other way of getting the package name? I'm trying to have multiple packages in debian/control, but one debian/rules and one makefile what I'm calling from debian/rules...
07:04<sml>right I'm off down the pub for a pint of Guinness for lunch. :)
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07:05<xtoaster>does this mean its down ?
07:05<xtoaster>The server did not respond to web browser (http) requests.
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07:08<xtoaster>hm, looks like hurricane electroics will land in tomorrow's IT headlines ;)
07:09<xtoaster>sorry for trolling really, (just need some help) i am gone.
07:11<gnugr>xtoaster: what you mean server did not respond?
07:11<gnugr>xtoaster: local server?
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07:12<xtoaster>hurricane electronic. my company's website is hosted by this provider.
07:12<gnugr>xtoaster: dedicated server?
07:13<xtoaster>not sure. i guess so.
07:13<gnugr>xtoaster: did you try to connect with sftp client?
07:14<gnugr>xtoaster: or did you try through ssh?
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07:14<xtoaster>hm, no all our services are down. mailserver+website. I am not the it guy. so dont have access to the backend.
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07:15<xtoaster>the big problem is that ping time out to and our website.
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07:16<gnugr>xtoaster: if you know username and passwd try : ssh -l <user> <ip> then comes passwd
07:16<archman>how come the debian installer didn't install xfce DE for me even though i've put 'desktop=xfce' after pressing tab on the main setup menu?
07:17<archman>i had to 'aptitude install xfce4' to get it installed
07:17<xtoaster>gnugr: ok thank you. hm, could you give a look ? see if you can ping or open their webpage ?
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07:18<gnugr>!xfce4 archman
07:18<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bdo>. #xfce on
07:20<archman>gnugr: yes, so? did you read what i've said?
07:20<archman>gnugr: At the Debian Installer boot prompt, press the tab key to edit the command line, then add
07:20<archman>i did it
07:20<archman>i also had "Desktop Environment" ticked on
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07:22<Zaba>the command line would only affect the installer, I guess
07:23<rtheys>does anyone have any experience integration debian into an AD domain (using the domain controllers as kerberos servers)?
07:23<Zaba>but I don't know, I've never installed a desktop environment using it
07:23<babilen>!tell Zaba -about install xfce
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07:23<archman>Zaba: check the: "Install a fresh system with Xfce" part...
07:24<Zaba>oh, I see; well, I've experience with that.
07:24<nevyn>rtheys: I've done common credentials but shied away from integrating into the kerberos domain
07:24<archman>nice, so the debian wiki is incorrect :D
07:24<Zaba>err.. I've *no* experience with that.
07:24<rtheys>nevyn: what to you mean with "common credentials"
07:25<rtheys>I would like to use the kerberos part of AD for my linux hosts. I created accounts in AD and am using ktpass to create keytab files for linux
07:25<rtheys>when I kinit manually it works, but when ssh is using the keytab id doesn't work :-(
07:25<nevyn>rtheys: usernames and passwords. from the AD ldap.
07:26<nevyn>rtheys: but you still have to logon.
07:26<babilen>archman: that happens, yes
07:26<rtheys>nevyn: do you create accounts in AD for your machines and services?
07:27<nevyn>but we're going to be using Quest stuff across our enterprise which does the whole kerberos integration thing but it's not cheap.
07:28<rtheys>nevyn: do you have a link to the Quest stuff?
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07:29<nevyn>rtheys: it's reasonably offtopic for here ....
07:29<nevyn>very very proprietary software.
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07:30<gnugr>#kerberos on
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07:57<betinho>nyov, as we talk yesterday, i start to upgrade the postgresql-8.3 to 8.4; pg_upgradecluster 8.3 main results in "Error: could not get cluster default encoding"
07:58<betinho>how can i solved it?
08:05<gnugr>,versions postgresql-8.4
08:05<judd>Package postgresql-8.4 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 8.4.7-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.7-0squeeze2; squeeze-security: 8.4.7-0squeeze2; wheezy: 8.4.8-1; sid: 8.4.8-1+b1
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08:09<gee>I'm working on a kernel for an embedded ARM system, using a debootstrap'ed squeeze root filesystem. Trying to find out what kernel options (/dev filesystems, whatnot) are required for it to work, but can't find it anywhere.
08:09<gee>anyone know if there's a specification for that hidden anywhere?
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08:12<babilen>gee: #debian-kernel or #debian-arm might be better places to ask. Just ask and idle -- An alternative would be to write an email to the respective mailing list
08:12<petemc>gee: the linux image packages should contain a copy of the .config used to build the kernel
08:12<babilen>gee: And you can also take a look at the stock configuration for kernel packages as used by Debian
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08:13<babilen>gee: It is probably a good idea to fork that configuration and adjust it to your needs. Please refer to for documentation on how to build kernel packages for Debian
08:15<gee>cool, thanks for the info... digging through the factory kernel packages now
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08:38<gee>next question; is there a place online where you can browse the contents of a .deb and pick out individual files? debian mirrors are sloooow this morning
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08:39<xXRATXx>c'est ou les francais?
08:39<babilen>gee: -- but you can't download individual files
08:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
08:39<babilen>gee: What are you trying to do?
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08:40<gee>babilen - grab the .config file out of linux-source-2.6.32... currently watching wget count down, 45 minutes remaining...
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08:40<babilen>ah :)
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08:40<babilen>Well, I'm probably on a much faster link ... I'll get it for you
08:41<gee>no need
08:41<babilen>gee: armel?
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08:41<gee>currently wondering if i should run a newer kernel anyway, taking the opportunity to see how easily I can port over TI patches
08:41<babilen>gee: Ok, just thought you'd appreciate it. But if you don't need it I won't bother :)
08:41<gee>thanks for the offer :)
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09:56<dpkg>moocows are Moo. Just Moo.
09:56<DerMicha>i have some issues with emdebian, but in the dedicated embedian chanel is nobody answering or even saying a word since days
09:57<DerMicha>i use this howto but it says nothing about compiling a kernel
09:57<DerMicha>how can i get a kernel?
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10:03<streuner>DerMicha: /msg dpkg emdebian
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10:10<SynrG>DerMicha: use their mailing list, then?
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10:10<SynrG>not everyone's life revolves around irc :)
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10:11<DerMicha>someone answered me now on #emdebian :)
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10:12<DerMicha>he said i should use the kernel provided by my hardware vendor :)
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10:21<daemonkeeper>SynrG: What? There is a life outside IRC? You're kidding!
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10:22<DerMicha>daemonkeeper: yes there is "something" outside of IRC... thats the area where the pizzaman comes from xD
10:22<daemonkeeper>I'm making my pizza myself!
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10:23<DerMicha>okay thats freaky
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10:23<gee>dermicha - that's an arm board, a vanilla kernel may or may not run depending on if there's a machine type added for it... there might be custom patches made by the vendor.
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10:23<gee>(I'm saying that as someone who just submitted a custom ARM machine type ;)
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10:24<DerMicha>i found a tutorial how to cross compile a kernel for the mini2440
10:25<DerMicha>if i remember that was working for me some times ago
10:25<gee>there's often code that has to set up things like GPIO, unique characteristics/wiring/chipset choices/etc which are specific to the board, that stuff has to be taken care of.
10:26<gee>hey, mach-mini2440.c is in the kernel. you should be fine.
10:26<DerMicha>i was just a little bit confused why there is nothing about kernel in the howto, but i had bring some kernels to work on this board before
10:26<gee>is your board running already with development tools, etc. running on it, or are you cross-compiling?
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10:27<DerMicha>i cross compiling
10:27<DerMicha>i did a rootfs with buildroot before, but i had major issues with ipkg
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10:28<DerMicha>it was the pure dependency hell
10:28<gee>well I'll leave the cross compiling environment up to you, as well as the kernel requirements for debian to run (I'm actually working on that puzzle now) but you should be able to select the mini2440 card in make menuconfig.
10:29<gee>for playing around, I'd probably also suggest using debootstrap to pull in a base debian filesystem instead of using buildroot
10:30<gee>partition a SD card with an EXT2/3 partition on it, and dump the created filesystem on that.. use that as your root filesystem.
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10:30<DerMicha>ja i did this yesterday
10:31<DerMicha>but i think i was using the buldroot-kernel (if i remember right)
10:31<DerMicha>so i think that was the reason why the system acted freaky
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10:32<DerMicha>apt-get didnt find some packages which were definitvely there, the /proc did not want to mount automatically and some other issues
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10:33<DerMicha>so new day -> new try xD
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---Logopened Fri May 06 10:33:41 2011
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10:34<gee>yeah, sounds like a highly misconfigured kernel.
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10:36<jiero>hi, I have a problem after grub upgrade to 1.99 rc1. It says "error: symbol not found grub_env_***"
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10:59<hancock>problemino con sound-juicer
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11:20<Guest428>new and want to learn
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11:21<sney>Guest428: we would be glad to help you if you were running debian
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11:30<tincho_>necesito ayuda con números binarios alguien sabe?
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11:34<kooll>I think there's a quantum rule yet to be expressed on IRC. whenever I look at someone question and want to answer.. they leave.
11:34<kooll>the observer do change the state of the observed particle. or irc user.
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11:34<[ARC]>I am really new on irc
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11:35<[ARC]>buty I think is better than teacher when it comes with binary numbers help
11:35<sney>kooll: haha you might be on to something
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11:35<[ARC]>lunch is ready
11:35<sney>[ARC]: all I can tell you is, if you're using Ubuntu, this is the wrong channel
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11:47<sney>gnugr: support questions go in here.
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11:48<sney>gnugr: stupid you for what?
11:49<gnugr>sney: to make install a distro when 2nd was unpluged
11:50<sney>no, that's ok to do. it's like how i install windows, in order to make sure it doesn't molest my linux drive
11:50<sney>something else is the problem here and I still think it's hardware
11:50<gnugr>sney: i've debian in 2nd disk and opensuse in 1st
11:50<sney>check the connections at the motherboard end, too. don't just assume they're fine. you might have loosened one
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11:51<sney>cheap SATA cables can rock partway out of the port if you move the cable around
11:51<gnugr>sney: the prob is that both have name /sda
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11:52<sney>if 1 drive is connected, the system will call it sda, because that's the first drive it sees. but that isn't a name that belongs to the drive.
11:52<gnugr>sney: i must rename debian distro as /sdb
11:52<sney>so plug it back in.
11:53<sney>sda is scsi drive a. sdb is scsi drive b. they are dynamic based on which the operating system sees first. they are not "names"
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11:53<[ARC]>I just have doubts concerning binary numbers
11:54<[ARC]>It does not matter if I am using ubuntu or MAC
11:54<sney>[ARC]: maybe there's a #math channel somewhere for you
11:54<sney>[ARC]: this is the official support channel for the Debian GNU/Linux Operating System, and questions that don't have to do with that are offtopic. if you persist, someone might ban you, so you should probably just find the right channel for your topic
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11:55<george_>does anyone know what the path to my bluetooth dongle would be or how i would find it?
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11:56<duairc>Hi, I'm trying to debug a problem I'm having in a fresh install of wheezy: my keyboard works in the console, but not in X. I also can't find the device node in /dev for my keyboard, which seems related...
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11:56<sney>gnugr: case in point. if I have a netbook with Debian installed on the internal hard drive, then normally that hard drive is /dev/sda. if I connect a usb drive and reboot, sometimes the usb drive will become /dev/sda and the internal hard drive /dev/sdb. It doesn't matter though, because grub and /etc/fstab use UUIDs to track what disk is for what.
11:56<[ARC]>Thx and bye
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11:56<PieRroT>duairc: did youfound something at you xorg.conf strange?
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11:57<sney>xorg.conf does not exist by default
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11:57<sney>duairc: check Xorg.0.log for a line with something like "allowemptyinput"
11:57<PieRroT>Exists on you system?
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11:57<duairc>PieRroT: It doesn't exit. sney: I'll try that.
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11:58<sney>PieRroT: Debian Squeeze and newer do not use xorg.conf by default. it autodetects instead.
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11:58<PieRroT>I know that... I said because he should insert one with some additional configuration
11:59<sney>he might have to, but he'll have to know what the problem is first
11:59<PieRroT>the same point
11:59<duairc>sney: There's nothing like that there.
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12:00<sney>I have to leave now, I'll be back later, but paste that log to and link it here, maybe someone else will notice something.
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12:00<sney>duairc: oh, one more thing. does the directory /run exist on your machine?
12:00<duairc>I've found the device for my keyboard though, so that means I'll be able to try one of the potential fixes I found when Googling (which does involve creating an xorg.conf).
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12:00<duairc>sney: Yep.
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12:01<sney>if you run 'mount' with no arguments, does it show /run as a tmpfs?
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12:01<babilen>sney: It is almost certainly that :)
12:02<sney>babilen: oh good, you're here. I can go catch my bus
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12:02<sney>finish this one for me would you? and cluebat gnugr if he's still confused
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12:02<babilen>!tell duairc -about udev 620995
12:03<duairc>sney: It seems to be a regular file
12:03<babilen>duairc: Please read the private message sent by dpkg and the bug reports/discussions referenced in there as the proposed solution might be a bit dated. It should work with the recent udev version in wheezy (if I understood marco d'itri correctly) but you could also try the udev version in sid. Removing /run will get you a working system though.
12:04<duairc>babilen: Thanks, I'll look into this.
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12:07<Milk>which of these files do i need im trying to manually upgrade the kernel
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12:08<babilen>duairc: You could probably just "mv /run{,_bak}" and reboot the system. You should take care that you completely the /run+udev+initscripts transition in due course though. Pay attention to the debian-devel, debian-devel-announce and debian-release mailing lists, the bug references previously and the changelog of packages. Additionally make sure that you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed. Good luck!
12:09<babilen>Milk: Why don't you just configure backports in your sources.list and install the kernel with aptitude -t squeeze-backports linux-image-??? ?
12:10<Milk>because the drivers for the ethernet card don't work
12:10<Milk>thats why im upgrading
12:10<babilen>Ah, ok. One second please :)
12:10<babilen>Milk: Or actually some minutes -- /me is getting a coffee ... brb.
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12:11<jhutchins_lt>I used to live right over the hill from SUNY Binghamton. My first computer was a two story building there.
12:11<duairc>babilen: I just rm -rf'd /run and rebooted and now all sorts of stuff has started working. Thanks for that :) I'll read all the bug reports and fix things properly later. For now, I just want to get this system up and running.
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12:14<Kj>Hi, I'm on Debian 6.0.1a-amd64, and am having trouble installing b43-fwcutter. I've found it on under 'pool/contrib/b/' but don't know how to initiate that through the terminal. Can anyone help?
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12:16<Milk>have you tried apt-get install b43-fwcutter
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12:17<cahoot>enable non-free sources?
12:17<dli>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
12:18<cahoot>err contrib seems more to the point
12:18<dli>I got the same hash mismatch from quite many mirrors
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12:19<Kj>it continually says e: Unable to locate package b43-fwcutter
12:19<gsimmons>Kj: Again, you need to amend the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list to include the contrib component. You may want to pastebin the contents of your existing file if unsure where to specify this ; /msg dpkg paste
12:19<dli>Kj, firmware-b43-installer
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12:20<dli>Kj, apt-cache search b43
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12:21<riley>is there a standard init script I should use? like /etc/rc.d/rc.local
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12:22<dli>riley, /etc/init.d/skeleton
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12:23<Kj>gsimmons: awesome worked well
12:23<Kj>dli: thanks
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12:24<Kj>Now that I have it, is there any way I can activate it, or will a simple reboot suffice?
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12:25<riley>dli: why /etc/init.d/skeleton ?
12:25<gsimmons>Kj: Raising the relevant interface (e.g. ifconfig wlan0 up) will cause the driver to access the installed firmware. There's no strict requirement for a reboot.
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12:26<dli>Kj, what's your card? lspci|grep -i bcm
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12:27<babilen>Milk: Ok, I'm back. Which architecture do you need/want?
12:27<Kj>Broadcom 4306/3
12:29<babilen>Milk: You are looking for and the linux-base package linked from there. I am not entirely sure if you need other packages, but those two should be sufficient AFAIK
12:30<Milk>babilen: Thanks!
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12:30<babilen>Milk: Note that you *might* also need certain firmware packages for your NIC to work.
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12:31<george_>when i try to send a file through bluetooth it says, The user may have rejected the transfer: Connection refused, but I'm pressing allow on my phone
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12:31<Milk>babilen: yeah e1000e
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12:33<babilen>Milk: should be fine, that is quite an old and well supported module though. Are you sure that you need a .38 kernel for your NIC? Could you give me the pciid of it? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet)
12:34<gnugr>babilen: how can i force grub to see my 2nd disk?
12:34<babilen>Nothing wrong with installing the kernel though, just asking :)
12:34<dli>george_, gamuu works for me
12:34<Milk>babilen: i actually have to restart to do that
12:34<babilen>gnugr: What are you talking about? You might want to take a look into grub-mkdevicemap ..
12:34<Milk>babilen: but i thank that's the problem
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12:35<babilen>Milk: Ok, just go ahead and install the new kernel as that shouldn't be a problem in itself. If that fixes your problems with the NIC you are done, if not come back :)
12:36<Milk>babilen: thanks a lot!
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12:36<Milk>i fucking love the linux community
12:36<dli>W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch
12:36<riley>should i add a webserver to /etc/rc.d/rc.local? or should i put something like that in the rc directories
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12:38<retrospectacus>dli: confirmed, I have and same error. Just wait it out
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12:38<dli>retrospectacus, thanks :(
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12:50<gnugr>babilen: i've 2 disks (HDD) on my PC 1st recently install with opensuse and 2nd with debian. both have grub2. but none can see the other distro
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12:51<nyov>betinho: did you get that fixed?
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12:52<gnugr>babilen: to boot with debian i must unplug the other HDD
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12:54<morfeusz888>hi all
12:54<nyov>gnugr: you want to install grub on the first hdd, possibly in mbr, and fix the config of that one (in this case the suse one i presume)
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12:54<betinho>nyov, the new server 8.4 is running but i can't figure out how to load the 8.3 data
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12:54<heji>hello guys
12:55<heji>its 1st time 2 me here :D
12:55<nyov>betinho: run service postgresql status and check if they are both running
12:55<gnugr>nyov: how can confg debian's grub to see the other
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12:56<betinho>nyov, Running clusters: 8.4/main
12:56<nyov>gnugr: you need grubs idea of the first hd and install it there with grub-install
12:56<betinho>8.3 is not running
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12:57<nyov>gnugr: but
12:58<gnugr>nyov: the prob is update-grub don't work on bloody opensuse, no idea how
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12:58<nyov>gnugr: if you unplug your hdd's to run one or the other os, they might both think they are (hd0,0)
12:59<gnugr>tried all
13:00<gnugr>i think i must rid off opensuse
13:00<nyov>betinho: start the 8.3 first or it won't work
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13:01<gnugr>just wanted to study with it
13:01<betinho>nyov, how about to make a dump of database 8.3, stop server, start 8.4 and restore ...
13:01<AzaToth>I've just assembled a new computer and is atm running stable on it. I've always in the past run sid on my comp, and I wonder if it's relativly safe to upgrade to sid atm, or are there extensive transition breakages going on atm?
13:01<betinho>nyov, don't work
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13:02<nyov>betinho: to dump the old one you need it running first
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13:02<nyov>gnugr: what if you plu in both hdds' what boots?
13:03<nyov>betinho: your 8.4 is empty, right?
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13:05<betinho>nyov, its empty but i can understand why 8.3 is not running ....
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13:06<nyov>betinho: i had that problem too, something with the start script. can't remember exactly what I did
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13:09<nyov>betinho: try service postgresql start 8.3
13:09<nyov>init script should support it
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13:11<nyov>gnugr: back?
13:11<gnugr>nyov: i'm with opensuse now
13:11<nyov>gnugr: damn
13:11<nyov>gnugr: first you should get to boot debian with both disks attached, i'd say. so os-prober can detect it
13:12<gnugr>no idea of command to update-grub
13:12<nyov>me neither
13:12<nyov>write down the suse grub config if you can
13:12<gnugr>bloody wizard
13:12<retrospectacus>gnugr: how many /boot do you have?
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13:13<gnugr>i'm testing opensuse
13:13<gnugr>but i messed things up with grub
13:14<retrospectacus>sorry to jump in. I caught that... how many /boot do you have?
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13:14<gnugr>2 /boot
13:14<nyov>retrospectacus: i don't mind help ;D
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13:14<gnugr>2 grubs
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13:14<retrospectacus>you can only really have one
13:15<gnugr>last installed is opensuse
13:15<nyov>retrospectacus: he got 2 hdds
13:15<nyov>rotating them
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13:17<nyov>gnugr: I'd go write down the debian grub config -- setroot, initrd, linux lines, then edit suse grub on boot and put them in there
13:17<nyov>gnugr: so boot debian with both disks attached
13:18<nyov>gnugr: then fix it in debian by installing grub to the suse disk, with osprober detecting the suse thing too
13:19<nyov>gnugr: the other way is to change your bios to boot from the second disk first. that should get you debians mbr by default
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13:20<gnugr>nyov: agree
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13:21<nyov>gnugr: when in grub2, press 'e' to change a boot commandline, then boot with Ctrl-x IIRC
13:21<betinho>nyov, nothing happens (8.3 not started and no errors)
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13:22<betinho>nyov, how check if 8.3 is installed so ..?
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13:24<betinho>nyov, ls /usr/lib/postgresql/ => 8.4 (only)
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13:25<nyov>betinho: hmm install postgresql-8.3
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13:26<Milk>how do manually install build-essentials?
13:26<nyov>betinho: the DBs are in /var/lib/postgresql
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13:27<betinho>nyov, in /var/lib/postgresql are both 8.3 and 8.4 folder (DBs)
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13:29<betinho>nyov, apt-get install postgresql-8.3 results Package postgresql-8.3 is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
13:30<betinho>nyov, E: Package 'postgresql-8.3' has no installation candidate
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13:33<nyov>hmm looks like you need the lenny sources again
13:34<retrospectacus>Milk: apt-get install build-essential ...what d'you mean "manually"?
13:34<betinho>nyov, should edit /etc/apt/sources.list?
13:35<retrospectacus>betinho: just duplicate your squeeze line and put lenny. Then you'll have all available
13:35<Milk>retrospectacus: offline
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13:36<retrospectacus>,depends build-essential
13:36<judd>Package build-essential -- depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.4.3), g++ (>= 4:4.4.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5).
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13:36<retrospectacus>Milk: grab those .debs ^^
13:37<Milk>retrospectacus: i have the build-essentials.deb
13:37<retrospectacus>(and their dependencies that you don't have...)
13:37<retrospectacus>Milk: also good but you will need those too^
13:37<nyov>Milk: dpkg -i build-essentials.deb
13:37<jhutchins_lt>Seems to me like build-essential wanted to install a whole lot more stuff than that last time I tried it. Did somebody clean it up?
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13:37<retrospectacus>Milk: oh.. yeah what nyov said, if that's all you needed
13:38<Milk>retrospectacus: you are right
13:38<Milk>retrospectacus: thanks
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13:45<Milk>this is going to be fucking fun
13:45<betinho>nyov, after install postgresql-8.3, both clusters are running
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13:47<gnugr>betinho: works?
13:49<nyov>betinho: alright, now try that pg_upgradecluster line from before
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13:51<betinho>nyov, still not work the installation of 8.3; conflict on port number
13:52<nyov>betinho: did you modify the 8.4 config?
13:52<betinho>nyov, not!
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13:53<betinho>nyov, need to start manually the 8.3 server?
13:53<nyov>betinho: ok change the /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf
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13:53<nyov>put some other port #number in there
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13:54<gnugr>what is betinho running
13:54<gnugr>what version
13:55<mathieu>hey, I'm running ubuntu 11.04 and trying to run Unity + Nvidia on a dual monitor
13:55<betinho>gnugr, 8.4 is running now
13:55<mathieu>the monitors display correctly, however, i cannot drag a window over to the other monitor display
13:55<gnugr>debian version
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13:56<betinho>nyov, config edited! service postgresql 8.3 start?
13:56<nyov>betinho: yes
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13:56<retrospectacus>mathieu: ubuntu is not supported here.
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14:00<betinho>nyov, gnugr: ok works! both are running. i checked with ps aux | grep post
14:01<nyov>betinho: well nice. now upgrade that thing. or pg_dumpall if you have no backup yet
14:01<betinho>nyov, gnugr my psql client is still 8.4 but its not a problem, right?
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14:02<nyov>betinho: no it's backward compatible
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14:03<betinho>nyov, gnugr ok! now migrating DB ... (first backup data)
14:04<gnugr>betinho: i use sepate apache2 , musql-server-5.1, phpmyamdin and its awesome
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14:05<betinho>gnugr, my headache doesn't compare to yours ;)
14:06<erik>what're you migrating mysql dbs
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14:09<tom>hi, i've just done an install of squeeze, and the fonts in firefox seem too big
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14:09<tom>for example, the fonts on the webdeveloper toolbar stretch off the screen, do i need to install a font package?
14:09<nyov>betinho: alright, depending on your database size that migration might take hours or days. so have fun :o
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14:11<betinho>nyov, please check the cmd pg_dumpall -o -p5433 -d xxx -f backup-cluster-8.3.dump
14:11<betinho>nyov, i will run that
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14:12<kop>betinho: You've read the postgres readme.debian?
14:12<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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14:13<betinho>kop, still not
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14:13<kop>betinho: It says how to upgrade.
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14:14<kop>betinho: (It does not say "Always have a backup!" !!)
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14:16<betinho>kop, i will check the file readme.debian.
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14:18<nyov>betinho: make that port number the one you changed before
14:19<betinho>nyov, ok the port number is right!
14:19<nyov>but it does not work?
14:19<nyov>what's that -d for? i can't find it in the manpage
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14:21<kop>nyov: Common option. database.
14:21<nyov>oh damn. ok
14:22<nyov>betinho: well you want all databases, right? so lose that.
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14:23<betinho>nyov, that's right, its not necessary ..
14:23<kop>nyov: It's a database connection argument, so should not affect what's dumped.
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14:24<me1988>you guys think that Perl problem is solved within one or two weeks?
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14:25<nyov>kop: hm okay
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14:26<jhutchins_lt>me1988: There's a problem with Perl in stable?
14:27<sbirulinux>I have a 32-bit system, but want to install a 64-bit, so I was wondering whether I could install a 64-bit kernel and tell synaptic to re-install all installed packages.
14:28<daemonkeeper>sbirulinux: You can run a 32 bit userland with a 64 bit kernel. There is no (supported) upgrade procedure for the userland though
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14:28<nyov>betinho: done?
14:28<kop>!tell sbirulinux about aptitude clone
14:28<tom>hello? am i back?
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14:28<tom>i think so!
14:28<nyov>back from the future? what happened?
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14:29<tom>crappy isp
14:29<babilen>sbirulinux: You can't (easily/safely) switch architectures like that. You can, however, install the amd64 just fine on i386.
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14:29<babilen>sbirulinux: The amd64 kernel that is :)
14:29<tom>so... new user of debian, and seeing large fonts in firefox, extra large infact
14:29<tom>they look lik a system font
14:30<betinho>nyov, i'm reading README.Debian to upgrade instructions; so still not
14:30<nyov>betinho: backup done?
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14:31<babilen>tom: gnome?
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14:31<sbirulinux>daemonkeeper, babilen I see, I just had that idea and wanted to make sure, thanks guys
14:31<babilen>tom: And only in firefox or everywhere else?
14:31<betinho>nyov, it is necessary?
14:31<nyov>betinho: alright take your time :P i'll be back
14:31<nyov>betinho: just do it, safety first
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14:31<babilen>sbirulinux: You could try it, but you'll probably end up breaking your system beyond all recognition. The best (and probably only) way is to reinstall.
14:31<nyov>betinho: run that as a superuser: su - postgres ; pg_dumpall -U postgres -p<port> >my.dump
14:32<tom>babilen: lxde
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14:32<babilen>tom: sorry, I don't know where the font settings are hidden in lxde. I am sure that there is some way to configure it though. :-\
14:32<sbirulinux>babilen, :) I'd rather not to, but will try to reinstall
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14:32<daemonkeeper>sbirulinux: If you don't care too much about your system there are some completely unsupported howtos how you would achieve that. Note you will most likely break it that way, but since the alternative is reinstalling you may want to try it.
14:32<betinho>nyov, ok, tks!
14:32<daemonkeeper>Make sure you do backups first, of course.
14:32<tom>babilen: yeah, i like lxde, but this is a bit of a deal-breaker :(
14:33<Milk>so im trying to install perl and it says that perl needs perl-modules and perl-modules needs perl
14:33<sbirulinux>daemonkeeper, no, no, I'd rather reinstall
14:33<babilen>sbirulinux: It might actually be fun to do so. You can always reinstall later anyway. Just make sure you have proper backups (for both approaches) and enough time
14:34<nyov>breaking a system beyond recognition is always fun
14:34<babilen>tom: If you don't find it and/or nobody in here has additional ideas you might want to try #lxde
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14:34<tom>babilen: good idea, thanks
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14:34<sbirulinux>babilen, I'm kind of a noob so if my system becomes unstable, I wouldn't know how to fix it. I'd rather follow the other suggestion and keep it safe
14:35<kop>sbirulinux: I'd save the <aptitude clone> dump somewhere along with your backup.
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14:35<daemonkeeper>sbirulinux: Fair enough.
14:35<babilen>tom: Good luck, I would appreciate it if you let me know if you find a solution, so I can provide better help the next time somebody asks this question.
14:35<babilen>sbirulinux: Well, reinstalling is the ultimate form of breaking a system and reconstructing it. :)
14:36<sbirulinux>babilen, yes, that's true :)
14:36<sbirulinux>kop, I'll do that, good advice
14:36<babilen>sbirulinux: But yeah, just reinstall (backups!!) and be done with it if you are not interested in playing with your system.
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14:37<sney>personally I happen to really like 64/32
14:37<sbirulinux>sney, you mean 64 kernel with a 32-bit userland?
14:37<tom>babilen: i will if i find an answer
14:37<sney>software compatibility is still best with i386, but then you get the memory limit of 64-bit
14:37<babilen>sbirulinux: exactly (I was trying to convey that earlier) :)
14:38<babilen>sney: kernel-wise
14:38<sney>imho the i386 installer should let you install an amd64 kernel on a system with a supported cpu
14:38<sbirulinux>babilen, yeah, but I thought it to be a way to break my system, so is that safe to do? or will I have a slow system and stuff like that?
14:38<sney>though there are reasons I'm not in charge of stuff like that
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14:39<sney>sbirulinux: if you have a normal stable 32-bit install and you use a stable amd64 kernel, the stability issues will be few and far between if any
14:39<babilen>sbirulinux: It is *not* a safe thing to do, but might be educational and interesting. You never lose the alternative to reinstall the system, so there is nothing to be afraid of.
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14:39<sney>mixing anything else is where the problems would happen
14:40<babilen>sbirulinux: Ah, you mean installing the amd64 kernel with i386 userland? That is perfectly fine and a bunch of people have systems like that. Why do you want to switch to amd64?
14:40<kop>sbirulinux: You can always leave the i386 kernel installed and have it in the boot menu.
14:40<sbirulinux>babilen, ah I see
14:40<sbirulinux>kop, that's true
14:41<babilen>sbirulinux: Lots of ways to skin a dog (/me ♥ cats) -- pick your poison :)
14:41<sbirulinux>babilen, my mother board died, so I got a new computer, and since I have 4GB I've been told I could install a 64-bit system, which in my mind would have sped up things.
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14:42<sbirulinux>so I think I'll go with the 64/32 option
14:42<babilen>sbirulinux: I would personally just install amd64, but just getting the kernel is a valid option. It's your choice. There are merits and problems with both approaches.
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14:42<sney>installing an amd64 kernel is certainly the lowest effort option
14:43<sbirulinux>babilen, yeah, I think I'll just install the kernel, I've been having problems reinstalling since they removed firmwares from the installer
14:43<sney>there is a special firmware-included installer
14:43<sney>but still, more effort than just dpkg -i'ing a kernel
14:43<daemonkeeper>FWIW there might (still) be some problems with a 64 bit userland, if you are using propietary non free cra^Wsoftware.
14:44<sbirulinux>sney, yeah, that's what I'm using, but it seems it just doesn't set up a network, and can't get things installed other than the base system
14:44<sney>hmm, it has had issues with a few oddball nics
14:44<Milk>can someone help me with installing perl. when i try to install perl_5.10 it says that it needs perl-modules and when i try to install perl-modules it says that it needs perl again
14:44<dpkg>Perl (backronymed as Practical Extraction and Report Language and Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister) is an interpreted, high-level, dynamic programming language. #perl on See also <dh-make-perl>, <perl transition>.
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14:45<sbirulinux>thanks guys for the instructive chat ;)
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14:47<mase>Milk are you using apt-get or synaptic?
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14:47<sney>judd: versions perl
14:47<judd>Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; squeeze: 5.10.1-17; wheezy: 5.10.1-20; sid: 5.12.3-6
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14:47<mase>Milm tried apt-get or is this no option?
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14:48<retrospectacus>Milk: dpkg -i perl.deb perl-modules.deb
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14:48<chealer>Milk: which Debian suite do you use?
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14:48<retrospectacus>chealer: he has not Internet. Not sure what he's trying to accomplish in the end
14:48<Milk>retrospectacus: it worked!!
14:49<Milk>retrospectacus: i need build essentials to build the driver for the card
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14:54<Milk>am i going in the wrong direction here?
14:55<s>no u r right
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14:55<retrospectacus>s: don't
14:55<retrospectacus>Milk: what's the card, again? And what version of debian?
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14:57<Milk>retrospectacus: intel 82579V && debian 6
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14:58<sney>isn't that an e1000e? it's the brand spanking new one right?
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15:02<tom>babilen: lxappearance and change the font size in thbe bottom left ;)
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15:03<babilen>tom: wonderful, thanks a lot!
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15:06<tom>babilen: cheers. for a vm, lxde is perfect. light, but decent
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15:08<jankidudel>Hi, could you help me ? My Debian hibernate and standby buttons work like shutdown, I can't find any soluton to this, unless I uninstalled something. What programs are related to this ?
15:10<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Is your system capable of hibernate or standby?
15:10<mase>hmm, what gui-framework is lxde using? qt or gtk
15:11<jankidudel>yes, before I something probably wrong uninstalled, it was working perfect :)
15:11<retrospectacus>Milk: I guess you are following <82579> and <e1000e oot>? Looks like the right track.
15:12<mase>jankidudel "hibernate" is installed?
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15:13<jankidudel>mase, how to check? just type in terminal "hibernate" or "hibernate -v " ? I'm quite new to linux
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15:13<salahuddin66>jankidudel: dpkg -L hibernate
15:14<mase>jankidudel the debian package "hibernate"
15:14<jankidudel>Package `hibernate' is not installed.
15:14<jankidudel>Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
15:14<jankidudel>and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
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15:15<salahuddin66>jankidudel: Install hibernate package. apt-get install hibernate
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15:19<jankidudel>thank you very much , it works, but I have another problem too, it's wireless, it does not work. When I was using Ubuntu, then my drivers was installed automatically in an update, debian does not shows network drivers updates
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15:19<esmaeil>hi, I try to update my kernel but i found problem this place is right for this question?
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15:22<jankidudel>saluhiddin66 -> I has tried almost everything from there, but nothing :D
15:22<esmaeil>hi, I try to update my kernel but i found problem anybody can help me?
15:22<devil>jankidudel: what is your exact chipset?
15:22<devil>esmaeil: dont ask to ask
15:23<salahuddin66>jankidudel: run lspci
15:23<salahuddin66>esmaeil: just ask the problem if related to debian.
15:23<esmaeil>it's related to debian?
15:24<jankidudel>01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 01)
15:24<jankidudel>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8059 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 11)
15:24<esmaeil>i was opensuse user this days i join to debian and i'm new on it
15:24<salahuddin66>esmaeil: then simply ask the qustion
15:25<mase>jankidudel have you included non-free repositories?
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15:26<jankidudel>you want to say if I include them, then driver I require will be added to updates ? :) cool
15:26<salahuddin66>jankidudel: you need to non-free in /etc/apt/source.list
15:26<salahuddin66>esmaeil: what problem you are having simply ask that.
15:27<salahuddin66>jankidudel: no you need to give command to do that.
15:27<jankidudel>what command ? :)
15:27<devil>jankidudel: you need to edit your debian.list
15:27<salahuddin66>jankidudel: for you chipset there is wiki page in debian
15:27<esmaeil>such as wifi, can't open rar file, ...
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15:28<devil>jankidudel: add contrib non-free to the end of the debian line
15:28<salahuddin66>esmaeil: wifi driver you mean ?
15:28<esmaeil>yes of course?
15:28<salahuddin66>esmaeil: look in
15:28<devil>esmaeil: you hardly need a rar file for wifi
15:29<esmaeil>of course i installed some program but they can't open the file
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15:29<devil>esmaeil: you hardly need a rar file for wifi
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15:29<devil>esmaeil: what exactlyare you trying to do?
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15:30<esmaeil>i try to update my linux but i can't?
15:30<devil>my linux?
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15:30<esmaeil>I try to open rar file but i can't?
15:30<devil>thats not what i meant with 'exactly'
15:30<devil>esmaeil: install unrar
15:30<devil>but what is the rar for?
15:31<esmaeil>i did but it can't open any file
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15:31<devil>we usepackage manager in debian
15:31<devil>esmaeil: well, it does for me twice a year, if i stumble over a rar file
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15:31<bootc>am I the only one who has noticed the wheezy/testing repo to be broken?
15:32<arand_>Hmm, I'm trying to create a new sid pbuilder chroot, but I get "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/1900/. mount -t proc
15:32<devil>esmaeil: what do you mean by 'i try to update my linux but i can't? '
15:32<arand_>proc /proc"
15:32<salahuddin66>esmaeil: apt-get install rar unrar (the rar and unrar is the package name )
15:32<esmaeil>my update manager alarm is active but i can't update
15:33<devil>esmaeil: please be precise, show errors in a pastebin
15:33<arand_>.. When I try to "pbuilder --create". Would this be a temporary error due to inconsisntent state of sid or what?
15:33<devil>esmaeil: and what does rar have to do with all this?
15:33<esmaeil>devil: i did apt-get install but
15:33<devil>esmaeil: amd what is 'my update manager?
15:33<esmaeil>'rar' has no installation candidate
15:34<devil>esmaeil: you need contrib non-free
15:34<devil>in your sources
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15:34<esmaeil>devil: what do u mean?
15:34<devil>esmaeil: you need to edit your sources.list. rar is a non-free package
15:34<salahuddin66>esmaeil: open /et/apt/source.list (deb squeeze main contrib non-free) for example
15:34<esmaeil>devil: how can i do?
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15:35<devil>esmaeil: use your favourite editor in root mode
15:35<salahuddin66>esmaeil: /etc/apt/source.list
15:35<devil>sources.list or sources.list.d/debian.list, depending on what flavour hwe uses
15:37<mase>omg, "/etc/apt/sources.list" was repeated six times.the apt-daemon is appearing and eating our childs!
15:37<jankidudel>I made everything , but here are the results : iwconfig
15:37<jankidudel>lo no wireless extensions.
15:37<jankidudel>eth0 no wireless extensions.
15:37<jankidudel>vboxnet0 no wireless extensions.
15:37<jankidudel>pan0 no wireless extensions.
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15:37<salahuddin66>devil: what is the difference. I mean advantage or any idea ?
15:38<devil>salahuddin66: the advantage is that lists longer than your arm are better managable
15:38<devil>salahuddin66: you make a .list for every repo
15:38<esmaeil>devil: i got error
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15:38<salahuddin66>devil: I found my one is empty. Oh got it thank you
15:38<devil>esmaeil: when doing what?
15:38<esmaeil>Method has died unexpectedly!Sub-process returned an error code (100)Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ did not start correctlyMethod has died unexpectedly!Sub-process returned an error code (100)Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ did not start correctly
15:39<salahuddin66>esmaeil: use then give the url here
15:39<devil>esmaeil: please do not paste errors here
15:39<esmaeil>devil: sorry
15:39<devil>esmaeil: and always also paste the whole output
15:39<jankidudel>sorry, me too :)
15:39<devil>jankidudel: you in a vbox?
15:40<devil>[21:37:20] <jankidudel> vboxnet0 no wireless extensions.
15:40<devil>jankidudel: did you install the proper driver after expanding sources?
15:40<esmaeil>i paste in the link
15:40<devil>esmaeil: where is the link?
15:40<jankidudel>I haven't got any new updates, so I don't see them
15:40<devil>esmaeil: and did you klick send?
15:41<jankidudel>should I update them somehow
15:41<jankidudel>some command ?
15:41<devil>jankidudel: you need to install it maanualy
15:41<esmaeil>devil: yes
15:41<devil>esmaeil: what is the link?`
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15:41<mase>jankidudel had you had a look at dmesg to see if something is claiming about missing firmware?
15:41<jankidudel>devil: through synaptic package manager ?
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15:43<esmaeil>devil: i can't send
15:43<devil>jankidudel: or apt-get install
15:43<devil>esmaeil: why?
15:43<devil>esmaeil: there is a button saying: send
15:43<devil>jankidudel: are you on squeeze?
15:43<jankidudel>yes, on squeeze
15:44<esmaeil>devil: //
15:44<devil>jankidudel: it looks as you need to build the driver. follow (squeeze section)
15:45<devil>esmaeil: a http: would have been nice :)
15:45<nyov>hahaha sooorry this is too funny
15:45<esmaeil>devil: ok, sorry
15:45<nyov>it's the same paste
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15:46<devil>what is what same paste?
15:46<devil>esmaeil: and you got this after typing what?
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15:47<esmaeil>devil: No, i go to system/administration/software sources
15:47<devil>esmaeil: you lost me
15:48<devil>esmaeil: what does apt-get update say (please pastebin it)
15:48<esmaeil>devil: why?
15:48<nyov>devil: he's not typing anything. but using synaptic or something
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15:48<devil>nyov: thats why he lost me, inever seen the damn thing
15:48<nyov>esmaeil: better do it if you want help
15:48<nyov>devil: me neither
15:48<devil>esmaeil: please close synaptic
15:48<devil>now :)
15:49<esmaeil>nyov: ok
15:49<devil>open a terminal, become root
15:49<devil>we need meaningful output
15:49<nyov>(we prefer old fshioned here x)
15:49<esmaeil>devil: ok, now root teminal is open
15:50<devil>esmaeil: apt-get update and pastebin the complete output
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15:52<xuser>aptitude is the recommended CLI pkg manager but everywhere I see everyone uses and mentions apt-get
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15:52<devil>xuser: recommended?
15:53<jankidudel>holy Debian, I have wireless, thank you guys :D
15:53<xuser>devil: by debian
15:53<devil>half the debian world usesapt.
15:53<devil>jankidudel: grat
15:53<devil>great, even
15:53<devil>xuser: i use unstable, apt is better there imho
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15:53<esmaeil>devil: i only typed apt-get update without any name?
15:54<devil>esmaeil: yes, pastebin the outcome
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15:54<devil>xuser: are you sure that recommendation still stands? (not that i would care) :)
15:56<xuser>devil: well, I read that apt-get was better for dist-upgrade and aptitude for everything else
15:56<xuser>let me see If i cand find the link
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15:56<devil>esmaeil: and apt-get update does not takeany names, it just updates the sources.list
15:56<esmaeil>devil: http//
15:57<devil>xuser: a while ago it was fatal to mix apt and aptitude :)
15:57<babilen>FYI: I just registered #debian-next for testing/unstable support/discussions
15:57<devil>esmaeil: will ypou be able to produce a clickable link sometime today? :)
15:57<xuser>dpkg: why aptitude
15:57<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful.
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15:57<devil>babilen: you roll :)
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15:58<esmaeil>devil: sorry, i don't understand? I'm new in debian
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15:58<xuser>devil: is it ok to mix them in squeeze?
15:59<esmaeil>devil: and this is my first time in IRC
15:59<devil>esmaeil: you could just c&p the link from your browser. it would look like and i could klick it
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15:59<devil>xuser: from what i heard, its ok nowadays
16:00<esmaeil>devil: i did
16:00<devil>esmaeil: no, you did not.
16:00<devil>esmaeil: http// lacks the :
16:00<akerl>devil: really? you're that lazy?
16:00<devil>esmaeil: c&p means copy&paste
16:00<esmaeil>devil: again sorry
16:01<devil>akerl: yep.
16:01<esmaeil>akerl: no he's not
16:01<nyov>no worries esmaeil, we'll get you there, eventually :)
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16:02<devil>esmaeil: you did edit your sources-list? what file exactly? pastebin the file please
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16:02<devil>nyov: no bout adout it.
16:02<xuser>devil: here also:
16:03<devil>xuser: well, we found out over the years, aptitude tries to be too smart on unstable
16:03<nyov>devil: may i suggest aptitude if his apt-get won't work :>
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16:03<devil>nyov: my guess is, he messed up his debian.list
16:03<esmaeil>devil: i went to /etc/apt/
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16:04<devil>esmaeil: what file did you edit?
16:04<devil>sorces.list or debian.list?
16:04<esmaeil>devil: and wrote gedit sources.list
16:04<devil>please pastebin the file you edited
16:04<devil>ok, so pastebin sources.list
16:05<devil>ehm, i asked this before: doessqueeze still use sources.list by default or sources.list.d?
16:05<babilen>devil: both -- sources.list is fine
16:06<devil>esmaeil: it works ™
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16:06<esmaeil>devil: how?
16:06<demooriaan>3rd party like opera and google chrome use *list.d
16:06<sney>esmaeil: line 32 should have http
16:07<devil>esmaeil: deb :// squeeze/updates contrib is wrong
16:07<devil>add http
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16:07<esmaeil>devil: ok i did
16:08<sney>also, line 33 and line 5 are the same and you only need one of them
16:08<devil>esmaeil: save it and apt-get update again. no errors should occur
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16:08<xuser>yeah, I'll stick with aptitude for stable
16:08<esmaeil>devil: thank you very much
16:09<esmaeil>thank you very much all of you
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16:09<devil>esmaeil: so, what was it you were gonna do?
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16:09<devil>esmaeil: oh, you wanted rar, right?
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16:09<devil>esmaeil: apt.get install rar
16:10<devil>apt-get install rar
16:10<esmaeil>devil: it try to download and now it's need 1st debian dvd
16:10<devil>esmaeil: download what?
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16:10<xuser>esmaeil: delete all the cdrom lines in sources.list
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16:11<esmaeil>devil: i think after 1 month installed it try to update for new patch
16:11<devil>esmaeil: you probably want to comment all the lines with CD in your source.list (put a # in front of them)
16:11<demooriaan>debian uses cd/dvdin first place, after that it uses internet connected repositories
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16:11<devil>esmaeil: lines7-21
16:12<esmaeil>devil: ok what's wrong
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16:12<devil>esmaeil: you do not need these lines, you want to download from the net
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16:13<xuser>line 5 and 33 are the same too
16:13<devil>xuser: right.
16:13<devil>esmaeil: also put a # in front of line 33
16:13<xuser>let just paste him a working sources.list :)
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16:14<devil>esmaeil: after doing all that, apt-get update again, and then whatever you wanted
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16:14<devil>xuser: you in a hurry? ;)
16:15<esmaeil>devil: ok, thank you
16:15<esmaeil>devil: do you have any offer for how can i run VPN
16:15<xuser>a VPN!
16:15<devil>esmaeil: there should be a debian wiki for it
16:16*xuser is in a hurry now
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16:16<xuser>esmaeil: there a various types of VPN
16:17<esmaeil>devil: thank you
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16:23<meglaw_>guys, i had the best idea ever today with some friends, "ifdead", like, what are users supposed to do when the only admin dies or something, a small script that like checks if any of the sudoers has logged in in a year or so and if not gives sudo to most active user or something
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16:25<ompaul>meglaw_: bad idea
16:26<ompaul>meglaw_: and I'll discuss why in #debian-offtopic
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16:36<riley_>hey- i created a directory on a SAN, and it wont work when i try to access it on another machine
16:37<valdyn>!doesn't work
16:37<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
16:37<gdb>Is it SAN or NAS?
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16:37<gdb>Then you can't mount it on more than 1 machine at a time.
16:38<riley_>can you tell me more about that?
16:38<gdb>Well, SAN and NAS are very different beasts. The most important difference is that SAN provides access to *disks* over a network, while NAS provides access to *files*.
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16:39<gdb>You can only have 1 machine actually mounting *disks* at a time.
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16:39<gdb>Are you sure this isn't NAS? How are you accessing the data?
16:39<riley>what is the difference between SAN and NAS?
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16:40<gdb>Because SAN is SCSI, Fiber, or IDE over a network. You can't access the disks from more than one machine at a time any more than you can plug a physical hard drive into 2 computers at once.
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16:40<Col_Kernel>apt-get update says "Hash Sum mismatch" for wheezy/main/source/Sources.bz2 and wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2. I've tried various servers, no success. Has anyone the same problem?
16:41<gdb>SAN turns the network into "the cable that hooks the disk to the controller". It doesn't remove the limitations of "hooking a disk to a controller."
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16:41<nyov>Col_Kernel: do it with aptitude
16:41<gdb>Not really sure how to break it down any more for you, I'm afraid.
16:41<babilen>Col_Kernel: Known problem on ftpmasters, you'll have to wait it out. Should be fixed in the next dinstall run or sooner if a ftpmaster works on it
16:42<@Ganneff>i AM on it
16:42<babilen>Ganneff: Appreciated!
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16:42<riley>ok- one more question- should my python scripts end in .py if they run from the command line?
16:42<babilen>riley: Whatever you prefer
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16:43<Col_Kernel>Ganneff: ok, thanks
16:43<daemonkeeper>Linux does not care about file extensions (that much)
16:43<sney>doesn't matter so long as they start with #!/usr/bin/env python
16:43<babilen>riley: I prefer them not to end in .py
16:43<gdb>That's just a convention so you can tell at a glance that they're python scripts. You can name them whatever you like, however.
16:43<riley>is there anytime you shouldn't end it in .py
16:43<gdb>I'd rather scripts didn't end in an extension for no reason than I prefer scripts be treated like any other binary executable.
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16:44<babilen>riley: I like the name of commands to not depend on the programming language used to implement them as it might change in the future.
16:44<daemonkeeper>Well, you can name any binary as well. Its just the extension .
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16:45<sney>you could even end a python script in .pl and execute it with bash! as long as it's properly headed, it would execute as a python script anyway
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16:45<riley>yah- here is what's up:
16:46<riley>my boss says i need to name my scripts in .py
16:46<gdb>Then append .py to the ends of the names like he said.
16:46<babilen>sney: I was about to make the same comment and ... well, this isn't #debian-offtopic is it? Lets move the discussion (or at least the puns) over there.
16:46<sney>it wasn't offtopic, it was an illustrating example
16:47<sney>riley: well, they're python scripts- are they going to be used in any non-*nix environments? like, such as, windows?
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16:47<riley>it would not work in windows
16:47<sney>then there's no reason to do it except your boss said to
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16:49<Milk>hey cant i install the drivers for the 82579v using the windows drivers and ndiswrapper?
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16:50<babilen>Milk: Doesn't it work with the .38 kernel?
16:50<sney>Milk: yes, that can be done, but you should switch to the native driver afterwards
16:52<weedeater64>Why would anyone try to use windows drivers in a linux system ?
16:52<riley_>hey- back to the SAN question-
16:52<grove>babilen: I think it's from .36 forward (but as .38 is in wheezy that more interesting)
16:52<Milk>nope turns out i needed the .36 which i installed and was able to compile the driver && install but no luck and i managed to cook up a kernel panic
16:52<riley_>it's only one directory that I can't access on both machines
16:52<riley_>all the other directories I can access from both machines
16:52<devil>weedeater64: ndiswrapper used to be really helpful in the cold-wlan-war times :)
16:52<babilen>Milk: So there is no native support in the kernel yet?
16:52<gdb>weedeater64: I dunno, but I'm going to put money on "to drive a piece of hardware for which there is a Windows driver and no Linux driver." What's your take?
16:53<kop>weedeater64: These days it's usually because a forum told them to.
16:53<Milk>not that i know of
16:53<babilen>Milk: Could you give me the pciid please?
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16:53<Milk>or maybe im just too much of a noob
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16:54<sney>judd's pciid script claims support, iirc, but the chip is a new sub-revision or so that has some minor change...
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16:54<babilen>bummer, modinfo?
16:54<ContextSwitch>anyone else have problems doing aptitude update?
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16:55<Milk>modinfo ?? :D
16:55<kop>ContextSwitch: There were some problems on the mirrors today.
16:55<devil>ContextSwitch: yes, known issue, being worked on
16:55<ContextSwitch>ahh - thanks
16:55<ContextSwitch>not me then :)
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16:57<nyov>strange, aptitude did seem to work yesterday where apt-get would not
16:58<Milk>ndiswrapper doesn't seem to support id
16:58<Milk>so i'm pretty much fucked
16:59<babilen>Milk: just give me the lspci line and I'll see if I can find some documentation. Already have e1000e/*.c open in vim :)
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17:00<Milk>00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit network Connection (rev 05)
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17:03<devil>Milk: i missed part of the discussion, but does not work?
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17:07<Milk>devil: do i have to do this while installing?
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17:07<babilen>Milk: That NIC is referenced in drivers/net/e1000e/ich8lan.c on .38 -- What happens when you load that module? (modprobe -r e1000e ; modprobe e1000e ; dmesg | tail -12)
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17:08<Milk>babilen: do you want me to type the whole thing that came?
17:09<babilen>ah! any obvious errors? Do you have the interface in "ifconfig -a" ?
17:09<babilen>Milk: and yes, I would love if you could type all that ;)
17:09<babilen>(just kidding)
17:09<Milk>babilen: haha i was about to start
17:10<Milk>babilen: no errors
17:10<babilen>Milk: what about ifconfig -a?
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17:11<Milk>babilen: it didn't show up at first but then i tried to assign a ip to it then it displayed
17:11<babilen>well, does it work?
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17:12<Milk>babilen: nope..
17:13<babilen>Ok, do you have the PCIID? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) -- the thing in [] at the end that looks like ab42:cd23
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17:15<Nand>ho un problema con plymouth qualcuno mi può aiutare?
17:15<babilen>Milk: thank you :)
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17:16<navi|Linode>Is there something wrong with wheezy on the mirrors?
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17:16<Nand>i have a problem with plymouth
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17:17<jhutchins_lt>!tell Nand about es
17:17<Nand>susatemi c'è qualcuno che scrive in italiano?
17:17<jhutchins_lt>navi|Linode: yes.
17:17<daemonkeeper>Nand: Vai a
17:17<daemonkeeper>Nand: Vai a #debian-it
17:17<jhutchins_lt>Nand: Sorry.
17:17<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:18<navi|Linode>jhutchins_lt: Oh, good, I didn't break my config file like I thought I might have done, then.
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17:19<babilen>Milk: And you are using the .38 kernel?
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17:21<babilen>Milk: From what I can see is that the NIC is supported in .38 by e1000e -- sney: Which sub-revision is that?
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17:25<Milk>babilen: thats better news
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17:25<Milk>but then i have no idea what the problem is
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17:25<Nand>please all users at channel are sleep
17:26<Nand>infinite sleep
17:26<retrospectacus>Nand: just ask here, in English
17:26<Nand>tanck you
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17:26<Nand>i have a problem with plymout
17:26<Milk>i have interwebs
17:27<Milk>i tried another cable and ran dhclient
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17:27<Milk>im going to try the other cable again
17:27<Nand>i post the problem
17:27<retrospectacus>Nand: stop that. Just ask, all on one line.
17:27<Milk>the other cable works fine too!
17:28<Nand>plymouthd error unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon
17:28<Nand>plymouthd: ply-keyboard.c:384: ply_keyboard_watch_for_input Assertion 'keyboard ! ((void *)0)' failed
17:28<Nand>this is problem
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17:28<Nand>excuse for my english
17:30<Milk>babilen: thank you very much for your help!!
17:30<daemonkeeper>Nand: its #debian-it, not
17:31<daemonkeeper>FWIW your problem indicates a software bug.
17:31<daemonkeeper>Consider filing a bug report if it does not exist yet.
17:32<Nand>where i cang read a solution or open the discussion about the bug?
17:33<daemonkeeper>In the Debian BTS or upstream.
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17:33<babilen>Milk: heh. Sometimes you have to investigate a bit more. Great that it is working
17:33<navi|Linode>When will wheezy be fixed? In the next migration run?
17:33<Hedge|Hog>are the testing repos down?
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17:33<daemonkeeper>Hedge|Hog: Not down, but having a problem being worked on
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17:34<Hedge|Hog>kk, not fault at my end then ;)
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17:34<daemonkeeper>Could someone /please/ add this issue to the topic for today? ;)
17:34<Milk>babilen: but i had tried dhclient before with no luck
17:34<Milk>babilen: but thanks for your help!!
17:34<Nand>thank you daemonkeeper
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17:35<Hedge|Hog>daemonkeeper: haha
17:35<Hedge|Hog>sorry man
17:36<daemonkeeper>Hedge|Hog: I'm serious, you are about the 25th person asking :)
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17:36<retrospectacus>Milk: chalk it up as a learning experience :)
17:37-!-dondelelcaro changed the topic of #debian to: md5sum mismatch? known issue; just wait | squeeze (6.0.1) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ:
17:37<daemonkeeper>dondelelcaro: thanks a lot
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17:52<Milk>so now i only have the base system install. what else do i need?
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17:52<babilen>Milk: No idea, what do you want?
17:53<retrospectacus>Milk: you need sl (steam locomotive)
17:53*retrospectacus jokes
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17:56<ellisgeek>Hi just today as i was attempting to install postfix i satrted getting wierd errors about apt-get not installing deps. then i apt-get installed something and it removed my MySQL server and client. When i went to reinstall it says that the package "perlapi-5.10.1" is provided by perl-base, but "libdbd-mysql-perl" which is a dep of mysql client and server won't install because in depends on "perlapi-5.10.1". HALP!!!!!
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17:57<daemonkeeper>ellisgeek: You are running sid?
17:57<ellisgeek>um i think i am somewhere between squeeze and unstable
17:57<@Ganneff>the mirrorpush is going out now, so the md5sum fun should be over soon
17:58<nyov>ellisgeek: that would be testing ;)
17:58<daemonkeeper>There you got your problem. There is a Perl transition in unstable
17:58<ellisgeek>is there a way to rollback all unstable packaget so that i am only running vanilla squeeze
17:59<babilen>Ganneff: thanks a lot!
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17:59<daemonkeeper>ellisgeek: Not officially, you could try to downgrade if you think you know what you are doing.
17:59<ellisgeek>not realy
17:59<daemonkeeper>Then you have to wait a bit
17:59<ellisgeek>i am confident in my linux skills but not that confident
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18:00<xuser>ellisgeek: reinstall
18:00<adb>judd, versions firmware-b43-installer
18:00<judd>Package firmware-b43-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib:; wheezy/contrib:; sid/contrib: 1:014-2
18:00<ellisgeek>also if it makes a difference i am running this as a text only server
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18:00<daemonkeeper>ellisgeek: You should /NEVER/ run anything but stable on a server
18:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 486] by debhelper
18:01<ellisgeek>this is like a little site porject for me so no biggie
18:01<ellisgeek>but i know
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18:01<daemonkeeper>Well, now you need to downgrade, to reinstall or to wait. Choose either solution.
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18:02<ellisgeek>also i am a bit suprized that i did not run into a problem sooner with the unstable branch
18:02<ellisgeek>so what would the basic steps be for a downgrade
18:02<Parsifal>ellisgeek: You should also never mix stable and unstable... testing and unstable is fine if you know what you're doing.
18:02<navi|Linode>Oh, also, is there any way to install from apt and disregard dependency failures?
18:02<ellisgeek>and can it be done over ssh
18:03<devil>navi|Linode: how is that gonna work?
18:03<retrospectacus>navi|Linode: hint: it's not
18:03<navi|Linode>devil: security pushed an update, but the packages in testing do strict version testing
18:04<navi|Linode>hence it won't install even though it will work with the wrong package
18:04<daemonkeeper>ellisgeek: Basically you need to force apt to accept lower versions.
18:04<devil>navi|Linode: for a reason usualy
18:04<daemonkeeper>where's dpkg?
18:04<Parsifal>ellisgeek: That said, this might work for you, but it is NOT supported and you may run into problems: aptitude install $(apt-show-versions | grep /unstable | cut -d / -f 1 | sed 's|$|/squeeze|' | xargs)
18:04<devil>out for a drink
18:04<dpkg>Yes, retrospectacus you are either online or you are not...
18:05<navi|Linode>devil: In this instance, it's just the fact they release all the packages in a single set, and strict version check them to each other. When security released a minor change, that meant that other packages in the group no longer installed
18:05<daemonkeeper>ellisgeek: No clue why dpkg refuses to work. Copied over: This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more
18:05<daemonkeeper>broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available>
18:05<weedeater64>Strange behvior from lxterminal of late. Some commands like man [program] result in a black screen with cursor only, for several seconds at least, possibly indefinate, untill I hit a key or move mouse, which causes man page to go ahead and display.
18:06<weedeater64>squeeze - openbox
18:06<devil>navi|Linode: i dont know much of security packages as i only track unstable. what i do know is, dpkg can be forced, but i try not to ever need to do that.
18:06<themill>daemonkeeper: there's no "-" in the factoid key
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18:07<navi|Linode>I'm surprised testing never noticed.
18:07<navi|Linode>Well, I'm surprised security didn't notice, really
18:08<daemonkeeper>themill: ah, right. Workaround was to address it directly with dpkg: right?
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18:08<themill>navi|Linode: What releases are you mixing to have this problem?
18:08<babilen>daemonkeeper: No, the factoid is "partial downgrade" not "partial-downgrade"
18:08<themill>daemonkeeper: no, just to use the right factoid key "partial downgrade" not "partial-downgrade".
18:08<navi|Linode>themill: Just wheezy. Nothing weird.
18:09<daemonkeeper>I see. I'm confused today.
18:09<themill>navi|Linode: there are no packages in wheezy security.
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18:10<themill>navi|Linode: that is to say, there are no conflicts between packages in "security" and "wheezy" that need to be managed or dependencies that need to be resolved in some way
18:10<jhutchins_lt>navi|Linode: Wheezy isn't released yet.
18:10<navi|Linode>It looks like it's taken the package from squeeze-security then >.>
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18:10<themill>navi|Linode: that will cause you problems, yes. Don't mix releases.
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18:11<themill>select * from packages where release='wheezy-security'; → (0 rows)
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18:12<navi|Linode>themill: I haven't mixed releases intentionally here.
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18:14<navi|Linode>it looks like it's taken squeeze packages rather than wheezy for that instance. Great.
18:15<navi|Linode>Well, all I have to do is wait for newer versions to transition into wheezy and everything should sort itself, here.
18:15<themill>navi|Linode: php5?
18:16<themill>yeah, the version in squeeze-updates is greater than the version in wheezy. (which means that there's an unpatched security problem in wheezy too.. joy)
18:16<navi|Linode>Yeah, and even though the migration time is 2 days, it's broken on sparc.
18:16<themill>navi|Linode: you could remove squeeze-updates from your sources.list and then "aptitude install php5=5.3.3-7".
18:17<themill>or grab the package from sid directly if you want that update.
18:17<navi|Linode>themill: It's not in my sources.list. That's the confusting part.
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18:17<navi|Linode>(hence I thought it was part of wheezy security)
18:17<navi|Linode>Could have been from when I was changing around the files weeks ago
18:17<themill>it must have been recently -- perhaps you didn't "aptitude update" since editing the sources.list? or sources.list.d?
18:18<navi|Linode>17/Mar was the commit
18:18<themill>oh yay....
18:19<navi|Linode>I think it was about 25th Mar it broke, then
18:20<ellisgeek>sorry i am back
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18:22<tharkun>Gentlemen what is it with the md5sum mismatch?
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18:22<retrospectacus>it is a mismatch. should be fixed soon
18:22<babilen>tharkun: fixed, will hit mirrors soon
18:23<navi|Linode>themill: I just realised why I'm having this issue
18:23<navi|Linode>themill: I only installed this box on 20 Mar
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18:23<navi|Linode>themill: So the initial update on non-wheezy broke it.
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18:24<themill>navi|Linode: ahh -- it was a squeeze install that you then upgraded to wheezy?
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18:24<tharkun>Gannef_f allready stated that, but i was wondering what arquitechture had the trouble, since i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade several servers today and i had no trouble at all
18:24<navi|Linode>themill: Brand new squeeze box
18:24<ellisgeek>ok i am gonna try the aptitude commands
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18:24<navi|Linode>themill: Then I decided I probably wanted to wheezy it after a day or two
18:26<navi|Linode>themill: At least that makes more sense to me.
18:26<Milk>are the servers still not working?
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18:31<jhutchins_lt>Milk: Just got fixed.
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18:32<themill>navi|Linode: yeah, that sounds quite plausible. I'd just grab the sid php5 packages at this stage to get the fix and the newer package version. You might like to also "/msg dpkg not available" and "/msg dpkg obsolete"
18:32<ellisgeek>when i try apt-show-versions it throw the error: "Byte order is not compatible at ../../lib/ (autosplit into ../../lib/auto/Storable/ line 380, at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 239"
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18:34<devil>ellisgeek: is libapt-pkg-perl installed?
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18:36<daemonkeeper>ellisgeek: That's perhaps one of the problems that came with your partial, brolen upgrade
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18:38<ellisgeek>ok what should i backup /etc /var /home any thing els
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18:38<themill>!things to backup
18:38<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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18:40<melbogia>Is there a way to show some info on console after the machine boots? for example, i'd like to echo the IP address before the login prompt
18:41<jhutchins_lt>melbogia: Yep.
18:42<melbogia>jhutchins_lt: how might I do that?
18:42<jhutchins_lt>melbogia: Currently just does <hostname> login: , right?
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18:43<gedO>Hey guys. Me again with wifi
18:44<gedO>My wifi is set up, but it can load pages
18:44<gedO>even it can;t ping. Any help?
18:44<jhutchins_lt>Well, Actually Debian GNU/Linux <ver> <hostname> tty# \ <hostname> login:
18:44<jhutchins_lt>melbogia: Start with man login
18:44<themill>gedO: you were actually on freenode earlier (different irc network) so you might like to explain your problem a little more.
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18:45<devil>gedO: sounds like a dns prob
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18:45<gedO>themill, I have wifi card intel link 5100. I installed drivers and now it looks like works, but it con't load pages
18:45<gedO>devil, how to fix it?
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18:46<retrospectacus>ged0: what's in /etc/resolv.conf? pastebin
18:46<devil>gedO: how did you configure your network?
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18:47<retrospectacus>gedO: can you ping
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18:47<gedO>devil, I folowed some tutorial how to isntall drivers
18:48<gedO>retrospectacus, Just a sec, I will post it and I can't test it becouse I have putted notework wire to PC
18:49<gedO>retrospectacus, but I can't ping google
18:50<retrospectacus>...yes you said that
18:52<retrospectacus>looks ok... can you ping those IPs?
18:52<retrospectacus>did you try ping
18:52<retrospectacus>are you behind, like, 3 firewalls?
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18:53<retrospectacus>it looks like you are in 3 private networks
18:53<gpm>hi. i have a mac os x install dmg which i would like to write to a usb stick. how can i do this on debian? i would guess dd if=osx.dmg of=/dev/usbstick but i suspect there's more to it.
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19:01<gedO>Hey guys I want to as k one more thin. Can I full uninstall epiphany web browser??
19:01<gedO>Won't gnome claps?
19:01<gpm>gedO: not if you have iceweasel or chromium to replace it
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19:02<devil>gedO: apt-get purge epiphany -s will tell you
19:02<babilen>gedO: To cut this short: gnome is a metapackage and all the other packages are merely installed because gnome depends on them. If you want to remove epiphany you have to mark all packages you want to keep as being manually installed
19:02<babilen>gedO: (this is if you are actually seeing the: "I remove epiphany and all of gnome is going to be removed behaviour"
19:03<gedO>I have chromium so I can safetly remove it?
19:03<gpm>yeah it should be fine
19:03<gpm>chromuim satisfies the gnome-www-browser req
19:03<gpm>!info gnome-www-browser
19:03<gedO>gpm, great
19:04<gpm>"Provided by: chromium-browser, epiphany-browser, galeon, iceweasel, kazehakase"
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19:04<gedO>does thinderbird satisfies for mail client at gnome?
19:05<gpm>gnome-core NEEDS evolution
19:05<babilen>gedO: A good idea is probably to install gnome-session which is a metapackage that depends on the bare necessities to get a gnome session running and then "aptitude unmarkauto" applicable other packages. If you want to mark all packages pulled in from the gnome metapackage as being manually install, run "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome'"
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19:05<babilen>gpm: gnome-core is not the smalles gnome metapackage (that would be gnome-session) -- And you can remove evolution.
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19:06<gedO>babilen, what gnome session will do? What is that? Please tell a bit more about ir
19:07<gpm>babilen: of course you CAN remove evolution. you can remove whatever you want.
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19:07<gpm>babilen: gnome-core is a metapackage, gnome-session provides gnome-session, it may depend on a lot of stuff but it is not a metapackage
19:08<babilen>gedO: What happens when you remove epiphany?
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19:08<gpm>gnome-core doesn't provide shit, just depends on stuff people expect when they install gnome
19:08<gpm>that is the difference between a metapackage and normal packages
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19:08<gedO>babilen, no, but for what I should install gnome session
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19:09<babilen>yes, it is not a metapackage, but will (if installed) get you the gnome-session without all the other applications that make up gnome and are considered part of the gnome desktop
19:09<gpm>gedO: it's an essential component of gnome, is probably the best way to get a stripped down version of gnome, which is why babilen is suggesting it as a way to avoid the evolution dependency that gnome-core pulls in
19:09<gpm>babilen: yeah i just have pride and wanted to let you know you don't have to school me. i think we agree.
19:09<gpm>sorry i'm in a pissy mood.
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19:11<babilen>gedO: You can safely remove epiphany if you want to. It is by no means an essential package.
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19:13<gpm>i always remove it
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19:30<kuhkatz>if i ask synaptic to remove epiphany, it wants to remove the package gnome. is this safe? iE, will i still have my desktop afterwards?
19:30<kuhkatz>i recall breaking stuff when i removed some gnome metapackage in the past
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19:32<babilen>kuhkatz: Will something else be removed? You can safely remove the gnome package though. (or let it be removed)
19:32<kuhkatz>no, just a package called gnome
19:33<babilen>That is not problematic at all
19:33<kuhkatz>i see. thanks
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19:39<retrospectacus>kuhkatz: it will afterwards say that it wants to "autoremove" a lot of things.. /msg dpkg unmarkauto
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19:39<babilen>kuhkatz: Ah, you use apt-get?
19:39<kuhkatz>in the shell, yes. in gnome, synaptic
19:40<babilen>kuhkatz: Read what I wrote above.
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19:41<kuhkatz>what you told me, or the discussion about gnome etc?
19:42<babilen>kuhkatz: The discussion about gnome
19:42<kuhkatz>ok, will do
19:43<babilen>kuhkatz: In short: Install gnome-session and aptitude unmarkauto applicable packages. If you want to do that for all packages installed as dependencies of gnome, run "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome'"
19:43<kuhkatz>thanks retrospectacus, i was running into that phaenomenon sooner. good to know how to fix
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19:44<kuhkatz>babilen, aptitude or apt-get? im using apt-get elsewhere and read horrorstories of mixing the both
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19:46<babilen>kuhkatz: aptitude, those commands are not available in apt-get.
19:46<babilen>kuhkatz: And you can mix them just fine (these days)
19:46<kuhkatz>actually, it is. it does not get the ~R part
19:46<babilen>kuhkatz: How old is your system?
19:46<kuhkatz>oh, good to know
19:47<kuhkatz>6.0.1 actually
19:47<babilen>Installed as squeeze? Or is this some 10 year old upgraded one?
19:47<kuhkatz>installed as squeeze
19:48<babilen>you should have no problems in that case. One of the major advantages of aptitude over apt-get is that you can construct wonderful search queries such as "all packages that gnome depend on" (~Rgnome) and use it as argument for other commands
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19:51<kuhkatz>hmyes, i tried it with apt-get, and there are still a lot of autoremovables in synaptic. will try aptitude then
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19:53<kuhkatz>hm. "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome'" asks me if i want to remove 64 packages
19:53<demooriaan>say just no
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19:54<kuhkatz>tried that, worked out fine
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19:55<demooriaan>after saying no to that you can remove gnome(-core), it might also remove metapackage gnome-accessibility - have that just done here myself
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19:55<gedO>Hi guys again :)
19:55<demooriaan>when you have gnome-session as mentioned above
19:55<gedO>I need little your help again :)
19:56<gedO>How to make a package?
19:56<gedO>I have downloaded code::blocks source and need to make it :)
19:57<demooriaan>do you have checkinstall package?
19:57<kuhkatz>demooriaan, i actually wanted to slim my gnome out where i see fit, not building a minimal gnome from its core
19:57<gedO>I don't know
19:57<demooriaan>it builds (usually) nice *.deb packages usable for dpkg etc
19:57<kuhkatz>...i should go and read the discussion above
19:58<babilen>kuhkatz: There is not much more to it. :)
19:58<kuhkatz>ok :)
19:58<themill>versions codeblocks
19:58<themill>,versions codeblocks
19:58<judd>Package codeblocks on i386 -- sid: 10.05-2; wheezy: 10.05-2
19:58<gedO>demooriaan, I have makefiles and lots of files. Any idea how to make it and isntall?
19:58<babilen>kuhkatz: (and the rest of the thread)
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19:59<gedO>judd, tell more. I can get codeblocks form software center?
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19:59<babilen>gedO: You might not have noticed it, but themill (implicitly) told you that code:::blocks is packaged already
20:00<babilen>!tell gedO -about ssb
20:00<themill>It's dependencies suggest that it would be a trivial backport too
20:01<babilen>wonderful :)
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20:03<gedO>Okey guys,, how to install deb packages??? what command I should use if in directory are lots of deb packages
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20:04<themill>gedO: that was a fast compilation
20:04<gedO>themill, I downloaded packaged version
20:05<babilen>from where?
20:05<gedO>babilen, code::blocks site
20:05<gedO>now need to install it
20:05<gedO>I have lots of deb packages
20:06<gedO>any command to install them? :)
20:07<babilen>I would recommend to backport the Debian package.
20:07<gedO>Dam, I get error again
20:07<gedO>babile, what to do?
20:07<gedO>babilen, what to do?
20:07<babilen>gedO: Read and follow the ssb factoid dpkg told you about.
20:07<gedO>I'm new in linux and debian :)
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20:13<gedO>babilen, how to give package name to dpkg, when I have all debs in folder?
20:15<babilen>gedO: Note that we have no idea about the packaging quality of those packages and will *not* support them or *any* problem that arises from installing these packages. I strongly recommend to backport the Debian packages from sid as detailed in the ssb factoid. You can install deb packages with "dpkg -i the.deb", but mark my words.
20:16<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
20:16<babilen>gedO: Do this ^^^^
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20:17<gedO>babilen, I can't find source to add sources.list
20:17<gpm>hi. i run gnome with compiz and compiz crashed. i tried running metacity --display :0 from a VC but it says it can't open the display. is there a way i can start metacity or compiz from a VC? can't start anything in X since no wm is running
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20:19<jhutchins_lt>gpm: Restart the wm.
20:19<jhutchins_lt>gpm: Restart the dm even.
20:19<gpm>jhutchins_lt: yeah. i guess what i'm saying is is there a way without restarting gnome
20:19<gedO>OKey, I will figurate something :)
20:20<gpm>frankly i'm a little disappointed that compiz didn't restart itself
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20:20<jhutchins_lt>Makes you wonder "Is compiz a real window manager or just a silly toy?".
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20:21<gpm>lol. i think i might be able to fix that in the future with gnome-session-properties or whatever
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20:23<Milk>so i finally managed to get debian up and running but the resolution is not right. it says that it's at 1920x1080 but its not filling the screen
20:24<Arrowmaster>gpm: add --replace to the command options
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20:35<maxez>Hello, I really need help with a debian squeeze install that is not resolving DNS at all. I tried everything I know!
20:35<daemonkeeper>Define everything you know
20:36<daemonkeeper>Or actually: Define everything you tried
20:36<maxez>LOL, I know how to setup resolv.conf, etc.. etc..
20:36<maxez>here is basically in a nutshell what is going on ok?
20:36<Stryker>gg nutshell
20:37<maxez>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
20:37<maxez>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
20:37<maxez>64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=57 time=5.62 ms
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20:38<maxez>sorry about that! I didn't know
20:38<maxez>basically what is happening is that nslookup cannot connect to any DNS servers, but if I ping the DNS server I have no problems seeing it.
20:38<sney>maxez: what is the output of 'route' ?
20:39<daemonkeeper>Don't think it is route related if ICMP works
20:39<Parsifal>maxez: Do you have a firewall between you and the outside world?
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20:39<daemonkeeper>Yeah, Parsifals guess is more likely
20:39<maxez>no, I turned off iptables
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20:40<babilen>maxez: Sure? What is the output of "iptables -L" → -- And are you sure that there is no other firewall between you and the internet?
20:40<daemonkeeper>Can you do a lookup yourself, i.e. dig +trace @
20:40<maxez>first bind9 stopped resolving. I looked at the log and there were a lot of "connection refused"
20:40<maxez>then the whole machine stopped resolving
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20:40<maxez>let me see one sec
20:40<babilen>hmm, paste the dig output too
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20:41<maxez>now the ssh connection dropped... grrrrr... one second. SO sorry
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20:42<babilen>maxez: don't worry
20:42<daemonkeeper>(an unreliable connection can cause DNS fails as well, since it is UDP based unless TCP is forced)
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20:44<babilen>daemonkeeper: might throw in a couple of +tcp into dig ... /me goes into low-support mode now. Good luck!
20:46<maxez>ok I pasted the iptables result on the bin
20:46<maxez>under maxez
20:47<daemonkeeper>and dig?`
20:48<maxez>well I lost connection again with the VPS
20:48<maxez>one moment please
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20:49<kierkegaard>hello all
20:51<kierkegaard>hows it going sney ?
20:51<sney>it's going
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20:53<maxez>Here is the dig result:
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20:53<daemonkeeper>Can you repeat with +tcp?
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20:55<maxez>after that dig, it did not returned to prompt. It is like dig is waiting for something?
20:55<sney>hit enter?
20:56<daemonkeeper>Should not be necessary for dig
20:56<daemonkeeper>I suspect your VPS provider to filter UDP traffic
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20:57<maxez>if they are doing it, I don't believe they are doing it on purpose, since they tell us to config resolv.conf with google public dns servers
20:57<maxez>could it be something related to my debian install?
20:58<daemonkeeper>Can you try "nc -lup 1337" and connect from your /local/ host to it with "nc -u 1337"?
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20:58<maxez>let me try that. One second.
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20:59<daemonkeeper>Don't worry if nc seems to hang, just type something. Should show up on the other end
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21:01<maxez>ok, so nc -lup 1337 on my vps
21:01<maxez>then nc -u 1337 on my local computer?
21:02<daemonkeeper>With being, well, your VPS
21:02<maxez>:) right
21:02<daemonkeeper>i.e. its domain name, IP, ...
21:02<maxez>it worked
21:03<maxez>I can see what I type on my local, on my VPS
21:03<daemonkeeper>So UDP passes through
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21:03<maxez>yes sir
21:04<maxez>I can try the opposite, on port 53 (ie. I run nc on a server with 53, then try to connect from my VPS?)
21:04<daemonkeeper>Feel free to do.
21:05<daemonkeeper>Might not be significant though
21:05<maxez>so what else could it be?
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21:06<daemonkeeper>Good question, let's step back to dig. There happens nothing after your dig +trace +tcp ...? i.e. it just hangs?
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21:06<maxez>ok in the meantime check this out
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21:07<maxez>that's the daemon log for bind
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21:07<maxez>yes it just hangs
21:07<maxez>let me run the dig again
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21:08<daemonkeeper>This is all very odd. Do you use nscd or so?
21:09<maxez>It is incredibly odd
21:09<maxez>that's why after 8 hours ended up here :P
21:09<maxez>I don't use nscd
21:11<daemonkeeper>Let's try a different thing then: Do a tcpdump 'udp port 53' in one window and perform a DNS lookup in another, e.g. dig @
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21:16<maxez>tcpdump: command not found
21:17<maxez>and I can't use aptitude because I have no DNS :D
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21:19<maxez>ok one sec
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21:21<kmb>does anybody have a g-raid external hd. im thinking of buying one
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21:24<minimalseeker>Hi, What exactly is the difference between doing sudo apt-get install xorg BEFORE sudo apt-get install openbox and just doing sudo apt-get install openbox without the xorg step. babilen was trying to explain yesterday but I think I didn't quite get it...
21:25<sney>so xorg isn't marked as automatically installed
21:25<minimalseeker>hey sney
21:25<sney>otherwise, you could one day decide to remove openbox, and then apt-get autoremove would also take xorg away
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21:26<minimalseeker>sorry if I am being rather thick here... but is xorg needed for openbox?
21:26<sney>you can also feed apt-get (or aptitude) a list of packages to install, i.e. apt-get install xorg openbox foo bar etc
21:26<daemonkeeper>Only if you want to see something from your openbox
21:26<sney>yes, the X server is the base of your graphical interface.
21:27<xuser>minimalseeker: is not needed if you won't use it :)
21:27<sney>(it's possible to skip xorg, and install a vnc server instead for a headless server... but that's not relevant here probably)
21:27<xuser>but you can use a remote xorg server
21:28<sney>there are lots of things you can do.
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21:28<sney>minimalseeker: our discussion aside, yes, you need xorg. xorg is the X Windowing System, which you can read about on wikipedia, and provides the base technologies for any window or desktop manager you decide to use.
21:29<minimalseeker>ah - so if I don't need a gui on my laptop and I am simply using it as a sort of a server to run some statistical software then I wouldn't need xorg or even openbox correct?
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21:29<maxez>sorry but how do I look for the tcpdump package on that repository you sent me?
21:29<daemonkeeper>FWIW there are console based guis as well. A bit limited, but it works, e.g. curses based interfaces.
21:30<minimalseeker>okay then I do need xorg. :-)
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21:30<kop>minimalseeker: Alternately, if you _only_ need your laptop for the screen/keyboard/mouse you could install just the base debian system and xorg and run all your programs elsewhere. (Oooh, we're so clever here, eh?)
21:30<maxez>I have AMD64 6.01
21:30<daemonkeeper>maxez: Why don't you just add the IP temporary to your sources.list?
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21:30<daemonkeeper>Comment out your usual entry, put that one in, do apt-get update, proceed as usual
21:31<kop>maxez: daemonkeeper : Why not use debian's tcpdump?
21:31<daemonkeeper>kop: This is Debian's
21:31<daemonkeeper>kop: If he manages to install it ;)
21:31<maxez>it says it is not installed tcpdump
21:31<kop>daemonkeeper: Why wouldn't he already have the repo in his sources.list then?
21:31<maxez>-bash: tcpdump: command not found
21:31<daemonkeeper>kop: read the backlog, he has no DNS
21:32<kop>daemonkeeper: Thanks.
21:32<daemonkeeper>maxez: Proceed as suggested by me
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21:33<maxez>I'm doing the apt-get update now
21:33<daemonkeeper>kop: Basic idea is: Add the IP entry to the sources.list, get tcpdump, do tcpdump 'udp port 53', since I suspect the packet is dropped somewhere I want to find out where.
21:35<maxez>I run the dig in UDP mode, and TCPDump did not produce ANY output
21:35<maxez>but it just did from bind9 trying to resolve
21:35<maxez>let me paste that
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21:37<daemonkeeper>I see
21:37<daemonkeeper>So packets go out, but nothing comes back
21:37<maxez>let me turn off bind for a sec and run a nslookup or dig again
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21:38<minimalseeker>is there somewhere this irc chat logs so I can refer to our discussion about synaptic yesterday?
21:39<daemonkeeper>In your client's history perhaps
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21:41<daemonkeeper>maxez: This is a strong evidence your ISP drops DNS outgoing.
21:41<daemonkeeper>If you have another public reachable IP to test, try the nc -lup/nc -u thing again, this might have the same result.
21:42<maxez>what I don't understand is that no other UDP seems to be dropped but port 53?
21:42<maxez>I will try it now
21:42<maxez>one sec
21:42<minimalseeker>hmm... my log seems to be empty.
21:42<daemonkeeper>maxez: Maybe it just dislikes Google ...
21:43<minimalseeker>if you don't mind, could you please tell me how to turn on my touchpad... I will record this whole install procedure this time.
21:43<maxez>I tried openDNS and others
21:43<sney>the tap to click?
21:44<minimalseeker>ubuntu irc channels have saved logs that you can scroll (for thick-headed people like me)
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21:44<minimalseeker>yes, that is it. thanks so much for not throwing rocks
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21:44<sney>we don't do that here as long as you're cooperative and are actually using debian
21:45<daemonkeeper>There is a significant likelihood some people log nonetheless inofficially
21:46<sney>I mean throwing rocks
21:46<maxez>nc -lup 53 gives me the "usage" message on my other server. It is ubuntu 9.04 I think
21:47<daemonkeeper>If you are root this looks right.
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21:47<maxez>root@server1:~# nc -lup 53
21:47<maxez>usage: nc [-46DdhklnrStUuvzC] [-i ....
21:47<daemonkeeper>Has Ubuntu another netcat?
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21:48<maxez>I am running lucid actually
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21:50<daemonkeeper>Perhaps Ubuntu installs netcat-openbsd
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21:51<sney>even the windows netcat takes normal options though
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21:52<daemonkeeper>The one maxez has, misses -p
21:52<daemonkeeper>For whatever reasons
21:55<daemonkeeper>Anyway, I need to sleep now. Maybe someone else can help you digging your problem. I'm rather confident, your problem is your VPS provider dropping DNS outgoing.
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21:56<maxez>ok, thank you so much for your help
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21:56<daemonkeeper>Blame $VPS_provider
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22:03<minimalseeker>how do I shut down from command line? exit only causes me to log out...
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22:04<minimalseeker>whoa - that is an insane list of windows managers:
22:04<MrFrood>shutdown -h now
22:05<minimalseeker>shutdown: command not found
22:06<sney>as root
22:06<sney>(or with sudo)
22:06<MrFrood>su -c 'shutdown -h now'
22:06<sney>'poweroff' works as well.
22:06<MrFrood>as does halt
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22:08<minimalseeker>sudo halt was pretty quick
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22:11<minimalseeker>So you guys really like ratpoison?
22:11<minimalseeker>over all the others?
22:12<minimalseeker>I mean the windows manager
22:12<MrFrood>openbox or dwm here
22:12<sney>when I need to go minimal I use wmaker
22:13<sney>because not only is it tiny, it also is retro-tastic and confusing to other people
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22:13<sney>I can leave a system on, unlocked, running wmaker unattended and nobody will mess with it because it looks alien
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22:13<sney>(note: this doesn't work in former NeXT offices)
22:14<sney> I mean, where do you even start
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22:21<otzi>hello. It seems like gnome isn't installable on sid. Is that expected?
22:22*MrFrood giggles (@ sney)
22:22<sney>yeah, sid is probably in the middle of the gnome3 transition
22:22<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Only supported in #debian-next on If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
22:22<sney>things being not installable on sid is par for the course, otzi. it's unstable.
22:22<otzi>I'm sure it is
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22:23<sney>xfce4 is probably usable
22:23<otzi>so is gnome 3 already in experimental?
22:23<sney>do you usually run testing/sid?
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22:23<otzi>I have a sid installation, yes
22:23<tittn>hello im having trouble with my audio stopping from working after a while of music or avi
22:23<otzi>I use it for testing a package I maintain
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22:24<sney>there's a new irc channel for experienced testing/unstable users, it's #debian-next and before too long it'll be a better reference than here for that sort of thing
22:24<tittn>is there a way to restart audio so i dont have to reboot
22:24<otzi>I didn't know about that
22:24<sney>otzi: no reason you should have, it was only created today :)
22:25<otzi>I see :)
22:25<sney>tittn: alsa force-reload or alsactl init, or both, will usually do the trick
22:27<tittn>i tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart but dont work
22:27<tittn>i try that one
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22:28<tittn>can i make a shortcut to run that command or something
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22:31<tittn>add laucher doesnt work xD could you help me a bit
22:31<sney>sorry, I haven't used gnome in years
22:32<ross>hi all - fresh wheezy install on my new laptop has no X input. any ideas what's gone wrong?
22:32<minimalseeker>YIKERS @wmaker. Did we suddenly step into 1970s?
22:32<sney>ross: does /run exist?
22:32<sney>minimalseeker: :D
22:33<ross>sney: yep
22:33<sney>ross: delete it
22:33<minimalseeker>I am not THAT minimal and count me among those who won't mess with your system
22:33<sney>it's not used yet, and if it exists, udev tries to use it anyway and screws everything up
22:34<sney>minimalseeker: if you're not that minimal and you want something modern-looking, just stick with lxde
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22:35<ross>sney: fixed! thanks a ton
22:35<sney>ross: no problem
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22:36<minimalseeker>heh - I like right clicking to get to my menus though so I like openbox and fluxbox
22:37<minimalseeker>but yeah, that looked like the grand grand mother of all openboxe
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22:37<minimalseeker>with wrinkly skin
22:37<minimalseeker>if someone were familiar with *boxes they probably would know where to start. :)
22:38<minimalseeker>you could screw up the appearance for instance
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22:38<minimalseeker>but I am not that good at messing up things yet, because I am not at all proficient at fixing things.
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22:39<minimalseeker>I think it messing up works the best if you have fixed things for a long time and know exactly where to take the axe
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22:41<sney>time was, wmaker was the default on debian systems
22:41<sney>and not *that* long ago... about when I started, in 2001-ish?
22:42<otzi>I used to love window maker. There was a site with window maker themes, I'd spend hours trying them out :P
22:43<minimalseeker>a decade.
22:43<minimalseeker>I just started with linux this year.
22:43<sney>I'm old
22:43<sney>not really though, I just started when I was 16 :P
22:43<minimalseeker>its all relative
22:43<otzi>minimalseeker: this is the year of linux on desktops :P
22:44<sney>haha don't start with that nonsense
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22:45<minimalseeker>I hope so. What I really want is a multi-touch tablet to run on a linux OS without hitches and choke-ups.
22:45<minimalseeker>not everyone starts young.
22:45<sney>well anything can be done with enough effort. see: android
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22:46<sney>most specialized interfaces take a bit of work, is all
22:46<minimalseeker>Android is getting there... So maybe it is the year of linux.
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22:47<camilo>alguien que hable español?
22:47<sney>android certainly makes a case for moving away from X altogether and making a new gui framework
22:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:48<minimalseeker>I am SO torn between these windows managers!
22:48<camilo>hello someone
22:48<camilo>hey men
22:48<sney>hi camilo. you can use english here, and you can habla castellano en #debian-es
22:48<camilo>i need a favor
22:48<camilo>how i do that?
22:48<camilo>im new on linux
22:49<sney>/join #debian-es
22:49<minimalseeker>back slash join #debian-es
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22:51<minimalseeker>Going with openbox for now...
22:52<otzi>I use gnome with xmonad as my window manager, fwiw
22:53<minimalseeker>that's the second time I have heard of xmonad.
22:53<minimalseeker>Sounds like a protozoa
22:55<otzi>it's good, but it can a bit of a pain to configure if you're new to programming, configuring window managers, etc. However, people at are usually very friendly and helpful.
22:55<otzi>*can be
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22:56<minimalseeker>maybe in a couple more months... right now I am transitioning from just using a distro out of a box to building a minimal system myself and learning things about linux on the way
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22:58<sney>good learning experience, lfs is good for that
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22:59<minimalseeker>that's my next goal... but for now I am just on shaky grounds with just a debian minimal install -(which I must say is a LOT more friendly than a ubuntu minimal install, because it just works on my laptop)
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23:00<minimalseeker>Thus far I am liking openbox better than fluxbox.
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23:01<minimalseeker>I can't see ridiculous stuff like "eyes" or clocks or whatnots that came with fluxbox
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23:03<minimalseeker>But with just openbox alone and nothing else, 314 megs are being used according to free
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23:24<MrFrood>minimalseeker: "ridiculous stuff like 'eyes' ...etc" are standard parts of some of the X packages
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