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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-05-07

---Logopened Sat May 07 00:00:25 2011
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00:18<deostroll>need advice on what to learn next regarding embedded systems on linux http://bit.ly/lmR9WS
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01:03<julio>hi
01:03<julio>algien puede hablar espanol ?
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01:04<craigevil>!es
01:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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01:44<paris>Hello folks! I need help. How can I save a file from youtube on my computer?
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01:45<devil>paris: look at youtube-dl
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01:47<paris>devil, I did but for some reason it doesn't work, I don't know why, but it doesn't
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01:47<devil>paris: hm, i never used it. let me try.
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01:49<devil>paris: seems it needs root
01:49<devil>as user i get: ERROR: unable to open for writing: [Errno 13] Permission denied: u'QEbxIbBvQYY.flv.part'
01:49<devil>as root it works
01:50<devil>slow, but it works
01:50<`Ile`>do you have permission to write in your current directory?
01:52<devil>hopefully. its /home :)
01:53<`Ile`>it shouldn't need root then
01:53<devil>thats what i thought
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02:24<lenxia>有没有中文聊天算
02:24<lenxia>聊天室
02:24<cahoot>!cn
02:24<dpkg>For help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
02:25<lenxia>都是乱码
02:26<lenxia>只有英文
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02:27<lenxia>里面没有中国人吗
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02:29<lenxia>way?
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02:44<nyov>hmm how do I figure out the device or char-major-minor numbers for a pci card or driver? need to allow access to some hfcpci cards in lxc container
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02:49<EmleyMoor>Is it acceptable to leave the filesystems of a VM mounted read only on the host system while the VM is running (and writing to them)?
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02:51<nyov>VM?
02:52<EmleyMoor>Virtual machine
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03:07<pufa>Hi
03:07<pufa>can somebody tell me how to try to connect to wireless netword with wp2 from console?
03:08<kop>!tell nyov about linux-doc
03:10<cahoot>wp2 typo for wpa?
03:10<cahoot>if so - use wpa-supplicant
03:11<pufa>Yes. wpa2
03:11<pufa>but how?
03:11<cahoot>the debian readme helped me
03:11<pufa>with wicd i type my pass, and whet click ot connect
03:11<pufa>it says bad pass
03:11<cahoot>oh - it's you with the broadcom phy
03:11<pufa>i try to remove pass ot router. and the wicd says can`t obtain ip address
03:12<pufa>yes yes :)
03:12<pufa>bcm4312
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03:23<nyov>heh thanks a bunch kopt. guess there is no simple way out here D;
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03:26<pufa>in slackware there is file /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
03:26<pufa>wich is this file in debian?
03:26<pufa>may be there is problem...
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03:26<pufa>did i need to put some info there?
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03:28<cahoot>pufa: just run wpa-supplicant from commandline - when got that to run as expected it's time to edit config files
03:28<Parsifal>pufa: Are you entering a password or a passkey (alphanumeric or hexadecimal)?
03:28<cahoot>(well apart from the wpa-supplicant.conf)
03:28<Parsifal>I might be that you're entering a hexadecimal passkey and wicd is interpreting it as alphanumeric for some reason.
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03:28<Parsifal>s/I/It/
03:30<pufa>in wicd i type my pass on wpa 1/2 passphrase
03:30<pufa>in plain text
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03:31<pufa>wpa_supplicant give me help of command
03:34<esmaeil>hi all
03:34<Parsifal>pufa: The fact that it's saying bad passphrase sounds like it's an authentication issue -- are you able to enter the same thing as a preshared key instead and see if it accepts that?
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03:50<pufa>again says conn. failed: bad password
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03:50<pufa>on other laptop with slackware i connect via passphrase (i don`t know difference, but use it) :)
03:51<pufa>if there is no encr. wicd says cannot obtain ip address
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03:55<mercutio22>Hi.. I just installed debian stable on a laptop with a netinstall usb and choose an open wireless network to download packages. When done.. Network manager would not display any wifi networks.
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03:56<mercutio22>I had to comment all lines relating to the wireless interface on /etc/network/interfaces in order for this to be resolved
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03:56<mercutio22>I would consider that a bug to report. Against which package should I do it? Network-manager?
03:57<mercutio22>a package relating to the installation process perhaps is more appropriate
03:58<`Ile`>mercutio22: i should first try to install wireless-tools package and check out few things with it
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04:00<gsimmons>mercutio22: installation-reports (it can be reassigned if necessary).
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04:05<mercutio22>`Ile`: wireless is working fine
04:06<mercutio22>I mean.. now
04:06<mercutio22>gsimmons: thanks
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04:33<gedO>Hi. I want to ask you guys how to install flash player?
04:35<gedO>find
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04:44<xaemonic>anyone help me?
04:45<xaemonic>i was wondering if i can install xubuntu fresh from an iso on my gnome and then erace gnome
04:46<dli>xaemonic, but this is #debian
04:46<esmaeil>xaemonic: do u want install xubuntu on debian?
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04:48<armani>i get a kernel bug when i try to transfer files into my hard drive through usb, or other means...can someone help me out to fix this problem? here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/2054801
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04:51<dli>armani, maybe hardware issue
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04:53<armani>dli, ok...i'm running a msi u230 netbook, which previously had opensuse installed...so i assumed the debian wouldn't have a problem installing,...i'm not sure how to fix this, any ideas?
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04:54<dli>armani, I will focus on the USB part, netbook may have trouble supplying enough power to USB
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04:55<dli>armani, try to connect USB to another computer, and transfer files via net
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04:57<armani>dli, i see...actually it sometimes even fail when i transfer large (over 500mb) files via ssh..
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04:58<dli>armani, then, it's probably local, boot liveUSB, try fsck local hard drive
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04:58<nyov>armani: try memtest on your ram while you're at it
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04:59<armani>thanks dli and nyov ... i'll give that a try now
05:00<nyov>srsly, that might be some defective memory stick causing trouble
05:00<xaemonic>anyone know how to duel monitor in xubuntu?
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05:01<dli>xaemonic, xrandr, or setting manager->Display
05:01<nyov>does debian have a quotes db? :D
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05:16<neo2500>Hello, who know how to read flash video with mozilla-plugin-vlc in a seperate window?
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05:20<nevyn>neo2500: youmean playing multiple sound sources simultaneously?
05:23<neo2500>I mean, when I try read a video, this video open in a saparate window, beacause now I can't put them in fullscreen
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05:24<neo2500>*because
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05:38<pufa>re
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05:38<pufa>did somebody type something for me? :)
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05:45<darius>hi, I will buy new mb/cpu, where i can check is that hardware is supported by sqeeze? http://www.plkompiuteriai.lt/prekes-aprasymas/074710/
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05:48<olololo>hello nice people, i accidentally " sudo chown -R www-data /* " >.<
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05:48<olololo>so almost all the system files (except some /proc/ running) are now owned by www-data
05:49<olololo>is there some quick around like se own from group? (as group is untouched)
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05:52<dli>olololo, the best I can imagine is to chown according to a similar system
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05:53<Volley>agreed. i allready feel physical pain imagining how to fix such a mess
05:53<themill>olololo: "aptitude reinstall ~i" will sort out packages, you'd need to fix up /home yourself. Restoring from a backup would probably be easier, really.
05:54<olololo>thanks all of you, pretty logical i guess, going to pray and see what to do :)
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06:09<olspookishmagus>anything on flashnul? http://shounen.ru/soft/flashnul/
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06:14<bluewater>olspookishmagus: re flashnul , good for MS users to put linux on a stick, then install , especially those that release a high compression .iso
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06:15<olspookishmagus>bluewater: heh, what about tired linux users who just keep facing unetbootin's failures on creating a bootable USB media over a confirmed bootable ISO?
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06:17<themill>%ping
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06:17<olspookishmagus>themill: %pong!
06:17<themill>hehe, thanks
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06:18<bluewater>olspookishmagus: well , thats interesting , i have known that unetbootin is good for some user and not others for a long time , perennial issue,, one option is cat /path/to/xyz-*.iso > /dev/USB_raw_device_node
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06:20<olspookishmagus>bluewater: I did that with dd, but didn't work - do you think I need to give it a shot with cat?
06:20<bluewater>olspookishmagus: another is dd if=/path/to/xyz-*.iso of=/dev/sdf , either be damned careful you have the correct device
06:21<bluewater>yup give cat a go
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06:21<olspookishmagus>ok, let me see
06:22<Darth_Revan>can somebody help me with wiki.debian.org? I can't enter my account - password request doesn't sends to E-Mail
06:23<olspookishmagus>bluewater: and don't be this precautious, dd is PHUN!
06:24<olspookishmagus>bluewater: nope, cat didn't work too
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06:25<olspookishmagus>and by the way the confirmed bootable ISO is: http://www.memtest.org/#downiso
06:25<olspookishmagus>as a matter of fact doing it that why (writing to DEVICE) will just leave the device without a legit partition tabel or am I wrong?
06:25<olspookishmagus>way*
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06:27<valdyn>olspookishmagus: sure you dont get a partition table if you write an fs image, which obviously has no partition table
06:27<bluewater>olspookishmagus: its cant be partitioned with cat or dd . so dont use a 16 gig stick ,, heh
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06:42<Web-aptosid662>Hi. can sbd pls help me. i want to start a second X-Server on vt8. For now I do this by typing "xinit -- :1" in a user session. How can I do this automatically on boot? tia
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06:45<Web-aptosid662>well some info: I use a debian sid repo and kde4 on vt7.
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06:51<jmce>Hi. Getting a BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA when updating within aptitude in a machine with squeeze. Expected?
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07:41<Osiris_X>how do refresh / update and LVM2 snapshot?
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07:45<minimalseeker>Hi, I just installed minimal debian through the netinstall cd and then installed openbox on top of it (after xorg). The trouble is when I exit openbox using its menu, I am up against a blank screen - no terminal no cli.
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07:45<minimalseeker>the computer is on, I can see the lcd backlight but there is no command line
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07:46<minimalseeker>so I have no option but to hardboot. yesterday I installed fluxbox and the same thing happened, after exiting the graphical windows manager it doesn't go back to terminal, it just hangs in blank screen mode, Any ideas?
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07:47<Jupero009>hi
07:47<Jupero009>spanish o inglish
07:47<Jupero009>idiom (idioma
07:47<Jupero009>)
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07:47<Jupero009>Heyyyyyyy
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07:48<minimalseeker>!es
07:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:48<Jupero009>heyyyyyyyy
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07:51<Jupero009>tips
07:51<Jupero009>OP
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07:51<minimalseeker>Anyone with ideas about why I get a blank screen when I log out of openbox instead of the terminal?
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07:53<Jupero009>quiero OP
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07:58<_O_P_>hi
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07:59<_O_P_>MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
07:59<_O_P_>OP
07:59<_O_P_>A:_O
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08:00<rsthdn>which is the best linux version for middle level user?
08:00<babilen>rsthdn: Debian squeeze
08:00<themill>rsthdn: "debian stable" (a.k.a. squeeze) is always the right answer.
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08:03<rsthdn>themill: what is the difference of ubuntu and debian?
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08:03<themill>!why debian
08:03<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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08:08<minimalseeker>babilen, hi!
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08:08<babilen>o/
08:08<minimalseeker>I have the same question I had on Thursday. :)
08:08<minimalseeker>Why do I get a blank screen when I log out of openbox instead of the terminal?
08:08<babilen>Just ask it ...
08:09<minimalseeker>I have a minimal netinstall debian, xorg, and openbox
08:09<minimalseeker>On thurs, I had fluxbox and it had the same problem
08:09<artur>hello, i was wondering if there's a way to color user input in bash on the fly, for example like syntax coloring in gedit
08:11<minimalseeker>artur: does this help: http://floppix.ccai.com/scripts1.html
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08:12<artur>i don't think so, main problem is to do this immediately so without pressing enter
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08:20<minimalseeker>Hmm sorry I am not very good at linux or command line but here is something else that might or might not be helpful: http://scriptechocolor.sourceforge.net/#Simplifies_Script_Coding_and_echoes
08:20<minimalseeker>oh damn, artur quit already
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08:24<nerrtrow>Is it possible to remove gnome-games without to remove gnome?
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08:24<nerrtrow>without removing gnome*
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08:25<minimalseeker>yes from synaptic package manager
08:26<nerrtrow>I have tried already, but it says that gnome will be removed to
08:27<minimalseeker>gnome-desktop-environment and just gnome will be removed...
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08:28<minimalseeker>if you see a LONG list of libraries that might be removed, stop
08:28<minimalseeker>otherwise it will just remove some
08:28<minimalseeker>metapackages
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08:28<minimalseeker>which are not essential
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08:28<minimalseeker>see this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/debian-aptitude-wanting-to-remove-gnome-with-gnome-games-706285/
08:28<nerrtrow>alright thx!
08:29<minimalseeker>you will know if the real gnome is being removed btw, it will free up more than 200 megs
08:30<minimalseeker>keep an eye on the dependencies that it says will be removed.
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08:42<massimo>ciao
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08:44<Cody>anyone have experience with arm microcontrollers?
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08:52<babartheking>hi everyone
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08:52<babartheking>does some here know how to enable automount in the new xfce (4.8)
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09:02<nerrtrow>I remove gnome-games and when i remove it it also removed gnome, and now when I run sudo apt-get autoremove it will remove all the gnome dependencies, how should i fix this?
09:02<babilen>one secon please
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09:03<Tuhin>!installer
09:03<dpkg>The Debian installer comes in many forms (CD1, netinst, business card, DVD), but the installer you use and the system you end up with is identical in each case. The only difference is when the packages are downloaded: if you grab the DVDs then you are downloading lots of packages that you might not need; if you download the <netinst>, then when you go to install packages using aptitude later on, they will be downloaded at that time.
09:04<nevyn>nerrtrow: make all the gnome dependancies not automatic in aptitude
09:04<babilen>nerrtrow: Ok, that is pretty easy to solve. You have to make sure that all packages you would like to keep are marked as being manually (i.e. not automatically) installed.
09:04<babilen>nerrtrow: There are different approaches, that also depend on what you are trying to achieve eventually
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09:05<babilen>nerrtrow: The first would be to install gnome-session (the minimal set of packages/programs you need to run a gnome session) and "aptitude unmarkauto" additional packages.
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09:05<babilen>nerrtrow: That would slim down your installation base quite considerably if you don't unmarkauto a bunch of packages.
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09:06<babilen>nerrtrow: The second approach is to mark *all* dependencies of gnome as being manually installed by running "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome'"
09:06<babilen>And there nerrtrow wasn't interested anymore :-\
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09:07<Tuhin>why during installing debian offers to install Grub in the 1st HDD instead of the HDD in which debian is set to install (this HDD already have GRUB installed)? i think here is room for improvement, it should suggest to install Grub in SAME hdd as debian
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09:11<Nik05>hello guys, this is the first time im using Debian on my own computer :)
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09:13<SynrG>Nik05: congrats. do you have a support question? for social chit-chat, see #debian-offtopic
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09:13<Nik05>Dont have question right now, i will join offtopic. Thanks.
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09:16<babilen>!tell Nik05 -about general cli tutorial
09:16<babilen>!tell Nik05 -about reference
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09:17<Nik05>thanks you babilen
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09:38<Nik05>ok im here :)
09:38<Nik05>do i need to install drivers for my ATI GPU?
09:39<Nemoder>!ati
09:39<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
09:39<babilen>Generally speaking: No, as they should have been installed by default. There are, however, a couple of things you can do that (also) depend on your model.
09:39<babilen>!radeon
09:39<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
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09:40<Nik05>so i need to...
09:40<babilen>Nik05: You also need to install firmware-linux-nonfree to get firmware needed by most cards. Please paste "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" in this channel and read: /msg dpkg non-free -- (and) -- /msg dpkg non-free -- /msg dpkg contrib
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09:43<Nik05>do you need sudo to install all programs?
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09:43<sendeken>hi
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09:44<minimalseeker>Nik05, in my experience yes...
09:44<Nik05>ok
09:44<Zaba>no.. you can become root using su or just login as root, too
09:44<sendeken>?
09:44<minimalseeker>yes, that's true
09:45<minimalseeker>instead of typing sudo all the time
09:45<Nik05>ok
09:45<minimalseeker>you can become a super user for a while
09:45<Nik05>babilen where should i start reading? :P you sended me alot of links
09:45<minimalseeker>Which repository do I add to my sources list to install conky?
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09:46<minimalseeker>which ATI card do you have? Radeon?
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09:47<Nik05>euh HD5870 ?
09:48<terix>plop
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09:48<babilen>Nik05: Please give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" (from a terminal) and "glxinfo" and paste it to http://paste.debian.net
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09:49<minimalseeker>Here's the driver anyway: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English
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09:49<Nik05>just the terminal from Applications? or the root terminal?
09:49<Nik05>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress) [1002:6898]
09:49<Nik05>ooh sorry pastebin
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09:50<babilen>No problem, just don't paste the complete "glxinfo" output in here :)
09:50<Nik05>;p
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09:51<Nik05>http://paste.debian.net/116269/
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09:52<gungfuwayne>so i type "apt-get -s build-deps wmii" and get the output of what packages would be installed if i were to run that same command minus the -s switch
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09:53<gungfuwayne>given a line such as "Inst libpthread-stubs0 (0.3-2 Debian:6.0.1/stable, Debian:testing, Debian:unstable [amd64])" how do i know which version was installed?
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09:53<gungfuwayne>the stable, unstable, or testing?
09:53<mentor>gungfuwayne: Have you got apt pinning set up?
09:54<babilen>Nik05: Ok, I would suggest to enable contrib and non-free sources (/msg dpkg contrib -- /msg dpkg non-free sources) -- Then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect that. As you don't know the editors yet, I would recommend to just run "gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" (this will start the "gedit" editor with superuser privileges) -- It might be a good idea to paste the content of that file too
09:54<mentor>gungfuwayne: If not, it will be the one in the highest dist.
09:54<mentor>Note, testing and unstable may contain the same versions
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09:55<themill>gungfuwayne: it installed version 0.3-2. That version is in each of stable, testing and unstable.
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09:56<themill>,versions libpthread-stubs0
09:56<judd>Package libpthread-stubs0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.1-2; sid: 0.3-2; squeeze: 0.3-2; wheezy: 0.3-2
09:56<Nik05>babilen what is gksu?
09:57<Nik05>babilen sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/116270/
09:57<babilen>Nik05: It is a program that asks you about your superuser password and grants superuser priviliges. You might have to install it. Enter "su" give your root password and then "aptitude install gksu"
09:57<mentor>gungfuwayne: You may want to see apt-cache policy also
09:57<mentor>er
09:58<mentor>'apt-cache policy'
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09:58<babilen>Nik05: You want to turn that into http://paste.debian.net/116271/
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10:00<Nik05>so i need to remove the 15 lines and add the 9 lines?
10:00<babilen>Nik05: No, that would work. But you can also just remove the lines for the cds and add "contrib non-free" after "main"
10:00<Nik05>ooh wait # is just for comments
10:00<babilen>I mean: Yes, that would work :)
10:01<gungfuwayne>mentor, thanks! yeah i have apt-pinning set up so it should prefer stable
10:01<babilen>Nik05: Save the file (with the changes) and run "aptitude update" to update the list of installable/upgradable packages.
10:02<Nik05>ok
10:02<babilen>Nik05: You have to run "aptitude update" as root too ("su" + root pwd to become root (remember?))
10:03<Nik05>ok its updated
10:03<minimalseeker>I am trying to edit my xorg.conf file using nano. I see that nano accepts CTRL U for paste. but it is not working when I try and paste a block of text from chrome to nano. Any tips?
10:03<babilen>marvellous, Did it tell you that there are updates for some of the installed packages?
10:04<babilen>minimalseeker: Just paste it with by selecting it and using the middle mouse button to paste it? ( Nik05 you have to know that technique too)
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10:04<Nik05>babilen when i used sudo aptitude update it said i wasnt in the sudo file or something
10:04<babilen>minimalseeker: I am not using nano, so I can't help you with that.
10:04<Nik05>root terminal did work
10:04<babilen>Nik05: sudo is *not* configured (yet)
10:05<Nik05>i know the mouse copy thingy ;)
10:05<babilen>Nik05: great :)
10:05<babilen>Nik05: I am not sure where to start with the "this is linux" thing and just try to mention every assumption/tip that comes into my mind as we go along
10:05<babilen>Nik05: Ok, did it tell you that there are upgradable packages?
10:05<Nik05>ok thank you
10:06<Nik05>Current status: 566 new [+566].
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10:07<Nik05>are that the upgradable packages?
10:07<minimalseeker>THAT was awesome. (the middle click mouse copy thingy worked) :)
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10:08<babilen>ok -- if you run "aptitude update" in the future (which you should do regularly) it will update the list of packages (and their versions) -- You can install upgrades (if any) by running "aptitude safe-upgrade" and (if that still leaves some packages) "aptitude full-upgrade". If you want to learn about these commands use the "man" program to show the manual page. In this case that would be "man aptitude"
10:08<babilen>minimalseeker: hehe
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10:08<babilen>Nik05: Do you get any output if you run: aptitude search ~U
10:08<babilen>?
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10:09<babilen>err, aptitude search '~U'
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10:09<Nik05>that doesnt do anything
10:09<YossThaBoss>:q!
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10:10<babilen>wonderful, that searches for upgradable packages. (see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html for a list of other search terms)
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10:11<babilen>Nik05: Ok, you can now install the firmware needed for your card and the package to enable 3D acceleration. The packages in question are "firmware-linux-nonfree" and "libgl1-mesa-dri" and you can install them with "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri"
10:11<Nik05>so my packages are up to date?
10:11<babilen>Nik05: yes, they are
10:11<babilen>Nik05: You are typically told when there are updates, but I wanted to make sure. It would look like: Current status: 55 updates [+7], 2726 new [+116].
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10:12<Nik05>so now i need to do "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" ?
10:12<babilen>yes
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10:14<Nik05>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/116273/
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10:15<LinRtx>Hi hi hi
10:15<babilen>Nik05: Ok, you are informed that firmware is missing for other devices, but the installation of the two packages worked just fine.
10:15<Nik05>ooh ok
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10:17<babilen>Nik05: Whenever you are unsure in which package you can find a specific file you can search for it with "apt-file". So please install that now (aptitude install apt-file), update its package cache (apt-file update) and search for the files that were missing ("apt-file search /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw" and "apt-file search /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw")
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10:18<babilen>Nik05: The result of that should be "firmware-realtek" -- If you could paste the complete output of "lspci -nn" (list pci devices) I can tell you for which device this firmware is needed. (some realtek wifi card)
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10:20<Nik05>http://paste.debian.net/116274/
10:20<Nik05>what it lspci?
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10:21<babilen>Nik05: Ah, it is for your network card. lspci just lists pci devices. (read "man lspci")
10:21<babilen>Nik05: Did you do the apt-file search?
10:21<Nik05>yes
10:21<babilen>And what was the result?
10:21<Nik05>what you said ;)
10:22<webad_13>guys, is it possible to redirect to stdout, output of convert?
10:22<babilen>Nik05: (let me know when I am too pedagogical)
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10:22<Nik05>http://paste.debian.net/116274/
10:22<Nik05>ho
10:22<babilen>Nik05: Ok, install the firmware-realtek package
10:22<Nik05>apt-file search /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw
10:22<Nik05>firmware-realtek: /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw
10:23<babilen>,pciid 10ec:8168
10:23<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168
10:23<webad_13>I am using jp2a, and it requires the photo to be jpeg to do that. I would like to pipe the output of conversion to jp2a so that image in any format is displayed
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10:24<Zaba>webad_13, specity - as the output file name
10:24<babilen>Nik05: Ok, installed?
10:24<Nik05>what does aptitude update? :P it outed alot of stuff :p
10:24<Nik05>how do i install it.... oops
10:24<babilen>Nik05: It contacts the Debian mirrors and downloads the most recent list of packages.
10:24<Zaba>specify*
10:24<webad_13>Zaba, but then format is not specified
10:24<Nik05>aptitude install firmware-realteak?
10:24<babilen>Nik05: aptitude install firmware-realtek
10:25<Nik05>ha cool :)
10:25<babilen>Nik05: yes :)
10:25<webad_13>convert image.png image.jpg
10:25<webad_13>if I put convert image.png -| jp2a -
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10:25<webad_13>then convert does not know in which format to convert
10:25<Nik05>ok babilen its installed
10:26<babilen>Nik05: wonderful, please reboot to reload the modules with the firmware (reboots are seldom needed, but it is the easiest way right now)
10:26<babilen>and come back
10:26<Nik05>ok ;)
10:26<Nik05>ooh and where is everything installed? :p there isnt a simple C:\Windows\ thing...
10:27<Zaba>webad_13, you can do convert ... $format:-, I think
10:27<babilen>Nik05: You can list the installation locations with "dpkg -L firmware-realtek" to learn about the filesystem structure
10:27<Zaba>judd, like, convert image.png jpg:- | jp2a -
10:27<babilen>!tell Nik05 -about fhs
10:27<Zaba>err, webad_13
10:28<minimalseeker>Any opinions about which is the lightest application launcher?
10:28<Nik05>ok im going to restart
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10:28<minimalseeker>I am slowly working up to my minimal system.
10:28<Nik05>ok brb
10:28<babilen>Nik05: read that ... (but you can also do that later, once you've learned a bit more. It is not essential right now. Just keep in mind that there are specific location for programs, data and everyhting. Such as, /home for user data and so on)
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10:29<babilen>ok, i'll be back in a second. If Nik05 comes back, tell him to wait a little :)
10:30<minimalseeker>Or her.
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10:30<webad_13>Zaba, thanx alot - it works... was this in manual, I missed the fact that u could use -
10:30<Nik05>im back
10:30<minimalseeker>Nik05, babilen will be back in a second
10:30<Nik05>it just said the printer drivers were missing
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10:31<webad_13>Zaba, yeah I just saw that it was at the end of manual
10:31<webad_13>:):):)
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10:32<minimalseeker>Does anyone know of a repository than I can conky from for debian squeeze
10:32<Nik05>minimalseek do i need to type in my root password everytime i want to mount my D: partition?
10:32<minimalseeker>Not really
10:33<minimalseeker>Is your d partition part of your harddrive
10:33<Nik05>yes
10:33<gsimmons>minimalseeker: Conky is packaged for squeeze in contrib.
10:33<minimalseeker>then it should turn up in the file system
10:33<Nik05>ooh and were in the file system? :p
10:34<minimalseeker>gsimmons, I have contrib listed in my sources file next to my chosen mirror - but it says conky not found when I try and install it.
10:34<minimalseeker>Nik05, what file manager are you using?
10:34<Nik05>what do you mean?
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10:35<gsimmons>dpkg: tell minimalseeker -about bat
10:35<minimalseeker>Okay - so like windows explorer, linux has a program that you can see all your directories and files with
10:35<Nik05>File Browser? :p
10:35<minimalseeker>in gnome/ubuntu the default is something called nautilus
10:35<Nik05>ooh euh Nautilus?
10:35<Nik05>ok
10:35<minimalseeker>that's what you are using?
10:35<Nik05>yes
10:36<babilen>Nik05: hei, welcome back
10:36<Nik05>hello
10:36<babilen>Nik05: Could you paste the "glxinfo" output again?
10:36<minimalseeker>so if you fire up nautilus, you should be able to see your filesystem and all your partitions
10:36<babilen>ah, I see you've been busy in the meanwhile :)
10:37<Nik05>minimal i seen the filesystem ;)
10:37<Nik05>babi: http://paste.debian.net/116276/
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10:38<Nik05>yes babilen i have some questions :)
10:38<Osiris_X>does anyone else have a /run dir in their root? what created this?
10:38<Nik05>when i started it said the printer drivers were missing
10:39<Nik05>and i have a partion (d: in windows) where i have my movies etc, how do i access it?
10:39<babilen>Nik05: ah, too bad. still no 3D hardware rendering ...
10:39<Nik05>hhm
10:39<minimalseeker>gsimmons, how do I get this output?
10:39<minimalseeker>mentioned in the dpkg message
10:40<minimalseeker>"The complete output of your apt-get run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy".
10:40<ZykoticK9>Osiris_X, it's a new top level file hierarchy directory, I'm guessing you must be using Sid or Wheezy to see it (i don't have it in Squeeze)
10:40<babilen>Nik05: Your card is pretty new, so you might need a newer or different driver. Unfortunaly I am not sure which version you need, but you can install the proprietary driver from ati and see if your card is supported by that one. Give me one second please.
10:40<minimalseeker>where is this?
10:40<LinRtx>hi, i paid for a debian-download yesterday, but it doesn't work
10:40<LinRtx>I have a wifi n and it doesn't detect it
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10:40<Osiris_X>yes ZykoticK9 - it just caught me by surprise LOL - I'm using wheezy
10:41<akerl>LinRtx: Come again?
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10:41<Nik05>babi should i donwload it from http://amd.com ?
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10:42<LinRtx>but how to make it work
10:42<LinRtx>damn
10:42<LinRtx>I WANT TO MAKE IT FUCKING WORK
10:42<babilen>Nik05: Try: bab<TAB> in your IRC client. I don't see messages addressed to "babi"
10:42<Nik05>damn the site isnt rendered correctly
10:42<babilen>Nik05: No, you shouldn't
10:42<Nik05>ooh ok
10:43<SynrG>LinRtx: calm down and give us some details. wifi n, which card?
10:43<babilen>LinRtx: Relax please, ask detailed and specific questions and realise that all of us here are volunteers who spend their free time to help you.
10:43<gsimmons>minimalseeker: The output is of the commands mentioned by dpkg, adjusted to include the conky package name(s) you are attempting to install.
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10:44<minimalseeker>gsimmons, ah, just a moment please
10:44<babilen>Nik05: But you could install pastebinit and run "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log" -- That will paste the log file of the X server (i.e. the graphic system) to our pastebin. You find a bunch of log files in /var/log actually
10:44*akerl points at LinRtx and whispers "Troll..."
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10:45<tmp_overflow>hey fellows
10:45<tmp_overflow>i have a problem to satisfy upgrade on debian sid
10:46<tmp_overflow>i got always the message: no space left on device
10:46<tmp_overflow>the problem is with /tmp file system
10:46<tmp_overflow>do you know how to solve it?
10:46<Nik05>pastebinit -b paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:46<Nik05>Website unknown, please post a bug report requesting this pastebin be added (paste.debian.net)
10:46<Nik05>what should i do babilen ? :p;
10:46<tmp_overflow>i was looking in google but just to modify mtab which is automatically regenerated, so thats dead idea
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10:47<Nik05>ooh with http:///
10:47<babilen>Nik05: Just run it with "http://paste.debian.net" or don't specify the "-b http://..." part at all
10:47<Nik05>http://paste.debian.net/116279/
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10:48<ZykoticK9>tmp_overflow, i take it you have /tmp on it's own partition? you're gonna need to make it bigger. /etc/fstab is where mounts are defined.
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10:49<minimalseeker>gsimmons, paste.debian.net/116280
10:50<babilen>Nik05: Ok, it looks as if your card is not yet supported by the free driver (i.e. radeon) version in squeeze (the version of debian you installed) -- I haven't found out which version you need exactly, but would try the proprietary driver from ATI now.
10:50<babilen>!tell Nik05 about fglrx dkms
10:50<minimalseeker>gsimmons, is that what you needed to resolve my issue?
10:50<minimalseeker>I am not sure...
10:50<gsimmons>minimalseeker: No, you're missing just about everything else that was requested.
10:50<minimalseeker>hahah
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10:51<minimalseeker>thought so. I guess I didn't understand how to get that output
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10:51<babilen>Nik05: In order to install that driver we need to install the kernel headers (the kernel is the core of the operating system that deals with hardware support among other things) by running: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
10:51<Nik05>ooh and babilen what is the different between apt-get and apitude?
10:52<Nik05>ok wait i minute... do i need to run "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`"
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10:52<minimalseeker>gsimmons, the problem is I am having trouble understanding this line: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy"
10:52<babilen>Nik05: Different programs with slightly different sets of features and behaviour. aptitude has vastly superiour dependency resolution and search facilities but tries to be a bit too smart for some peoples taste. Stick with aptitude for now.
10:52<minimalseeker>where is this output?
10:52<babilen>Nik05: yes, that is exactly the command
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10:52<minimalseeker>So the command I used is sudo apt-get install conky
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10:53<gsimmons>minimalseeker: Please provide the output returned for "apt-cache policy conky ; apt-cache policy" at a paste site.
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10:53<babilen>Nik05: It might be interesting to run "uname -r" and "uname -r | sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'" seperately to see what these commands do on their own
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10:54<Nik05>ok its installed
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10:54<babilen>Nik05: The | is a "pipe" between programs, it essentially means that the output of one program is used as the input of another.
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10:54<Nik05>aah ok
10:55<babilen>Nik05: Ok, we will now install the fglrx driver, with: aptitude -r install fglrx-driver
10:55<user01>hmmm jgnuplot doesnt compile for me, it just says "type ant" but ant says Buildfile: build.xml does not exist!
10:55<Nik05>babilen how do you know all this stuff? :P
10:55<minimalseeker>gsimmons, paste.debian.net/116281
10:55<minimalseeker>thanks for clarifying
10:56<babilen>Nik05: With time comes knowlege :)
10:56<Nik05>and babilen is etc the default install folder?
10:56<babilen>Nik05: No, /etc is the directory (folder is a microsoft windows term) in which all the configuration files live
10:56<Nik05>ok
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10:57<Nik05>i want to install latex plugin for gedit and i says i need to copy files to ~/.gnome2/gedit/plugins
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10:57<Nik05>where can i find that dir?
10:57<Nik05>install complete
10:57<babilen>Nik05: The files of a single program are *not* installed in a single location, but files are saved in different directories according to their semantics. Configuration files live in /etc, executable live in /usr/bin (among other places), user data in /home, documentation in /usr/share/doc and so on
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10:58<babilen>Nik05: Please, one thing at a time
10:58<gsimmons>minimalseeker: You do not have contrib referenced in /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg dpkg contrib
10:58<Nik05>ok babilen
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10:58<mludd>I have vague memories of the existance of a boot flag for enabling the autologin for the debian live xfce image when booting over PXE, anyone here know what it is? right now I just have boot=live netboot=nfs nfsroot=[...] and of course the paths to initrd and vmlinuz
10:58<babilen>Nik05: Ok, we will now create a directory (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d) for configuration files for the X server with: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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10:59<Nik05>mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/Xll/xorg.conf.d': No such file or directory
10:59<mludd>because it boots fine but I end up at the login prompt and I just can't login (user/live and live/live don't work but I do remember getting autologin to work once)
10:59<Nik05>ooh its 11 and not ll
10:59<babilen>Nik05: It is X11 (one not the letter l)
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11:01<babilen>Nik05: And "echo" some content to a (yet non-existing) file named 20-fglrx.conf in the just created directory. The > redirects output to a file. So please run: echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf
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11:01<minimalseeker>gsimmons, thank you. All this time I was reading config as contrib. I am going blind at this advanced age.
11:01<minimalseeker>many apologies
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11:01<gsimmons>np
11:01<Nik05>> just like windows :P
11:01<Nik05>ok done
11:01<Web-aptosid662>!tell Web-aptosid662 -about general cli tutorial
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11:02<babilen>Nik05: Wonderful, could you paste the output of the fglrx-driver installation run and the output of "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" to the pastebin
11:02<Web-aptosid662>!tell Web-aptosid662 -about references
11:02<Web-aptosid662>!tell Web-aptosid662 -about reference
11:02<babilen>!tell Web-aptosid662 -about selftell
11:03<Nik05>;p
11:03<user01>can you have javajdk and sunjdk installed at the same time?
11:03<Nik05>"fglrx-driver installation run" and "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf"?
11:03<user01>openjava i mean
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11:03<themill>user01: neither of those are debian packages, so what exactly do you mean?
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11:04<morvister>hi
11:04<Nik05>babilen do i need to put run after installation?
11:04<user01>themill, openjdk-6-jdk
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11:04<babilen>Nik05: You installed the fglrx-driver package earlier. I would like to see the output of that run (the "aptitude -r install fglrx-driver" command) and the (new, not yet executed before) command "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" which will print the content of the file ("cat") to the terminal ..
11:05<babilen>Nik05: I just want to make sure that everything is fine :)
11:05<sney>user01: yes, you can have sun-java6-jdk and openjdk-6-jdk installed, but which one is your 'java' executable etc is handled by alterntaives
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11:05<__lex__>hi all, iam buying a new computer but are in doubt about the hardware: I consider an Asus M4A87TD EVO motherboard, but I hear mixed stories about asus and linux drivers, support etc. ( allthough i used to have asus and my current setup works fine).. So, anyone with any experience with this or other current asus MB´s? Thanks
11:05<themill>user01: yes, openjdk-6-jdk and sun-java6-jdk are co-installable. You can use "update-java-alternatives" to switch between them, or point your tools at the appropriate JAVA_HOME.
11:05<user01>sney, im trying to figure out why ant wont compile
11:05<sney>can't help you there
11:05<user01>sney, it says missing build.xml
11:06<sney>maybe you should look at the readme again.
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11:06<webad_13>I am wondering if this is the normal behavior: when I change my MAC address with 'ifconfig eth1 hw ether xxxxxxx', this address stays even after I "restart" the device with ifconfig down/up. Only after a complete reboot will I get my old MAC address
11:06<user01>sney, readme of the package?
11:06<Nik05>babilen do i need to paste it? first commands says no packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed
11:06<sney>user01: yes, as in the build instructions
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11:06<webad_13>I think this behaviour was not present before and I would get my old MAC with the device restarted
11:06<Nik05>second says Section "Device" etc what you put into that file
11:06<user01>sney, yes it said to just type ant
11:07<minimalseeker>I have debian squeeze for the x86_64 architecture. Does it mean that that apt-get will automatically try to install binaries suitable for this architecture then (ie I don't need to specify anything in addition)
11:08<webad_13>minimalseeker, yes but also look because some programs might requre 32 libs - such as skype
11:08<webad_13>so you would have that installed too if you choose such program
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11:09<babilen>Nik05: still there?
11:09<Nik05>yes
11:09<minimalseeker>I see. Do you know of any alternatives to skype that runs on 64bit architeture
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11:10<webad_13>minimalseeker, ekiga - but u can't import contacts from skype
11:10<Nik05>are you still there babilen ? :P
11:10<babilen>Nik05: Yes, I am. I am waiting for the paste :)
11:10<daemonkeeper>babilen is a bot, he's always here
11:10<olspookishmagus>the official Debian IRC channel is here or at FreeNode?
11:10<minimalseeker>webad_13, do you like ekiga - does it work on mac?
11:10<sney>olspookishmagus: this is the official one
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11:10<daemonkeeper>olspookishmagus: Here, or both. Dependin on your point of view.
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11:11<Nik05>babilen http://paste.debian.net/116284/
11:11<minimalseeker>For a bot, babilen is the most humanoid advanced form possible. haha
11:11<olspookishmagus>daemonkeeper: why not `There, or both'?
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11:11<olspookishmagus>ok, any general xpm specifications/guidelines?
11:11<sney>olspookishmagus: officially it switched to here in 2006 when irc.debian.org changed to point at oftc instead of freenode
11:11<babilen>minimalseeker: I was written by a computational linguist. It happens that I accidentially a word, but apart from that.
11:11<daemonkeeper>olspookishmagus: This is the official channel, however on Freenode a vast amount of people are the same, there are the same rules, the same bots.
11:11<webad_13>minimalseeker, I would not recommend it - don't worry so much about that 32 libs that will be installed - there aren't that many anyway... For example debian squeeze installation comes with some basic 32 libs (compatibility issues)
11:11<babilen>Nik05: Thanks
11:12<minimalseeker>okay thanks webad_13
11:12<webad_13>I use ekiga for my sip accounts only, and I am looking for an alternative :)
11:12<olspookishmagus>I'm about to send some missing xpm for some packages, and I'm looking on their specifications before sending them
11:12<babilen>Nik05: No, I meant the output from the first time you entered that command. (i.e. aptitude -r install fglrx-driver) -- The time when it was installed. ;)
11:12<Nik05>ooh :p
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11:13<babilen>Nik05: the configuration file looks fine.
11:13<Nik05>babilen here it is http://paste.debian.net/116285/
11:13<minimalseeker>babilen, I knew it. ;-)
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11:15<babilen>Nik05: marvellous, thank you very much. You can now reboot again and cross your fingers :)
11:15<webad_13>I am wondering if this is the normal behavior: when I change my MAC address with 'ifconfig eth1 hw ether xxxxxxx', this address stays even after I "restart" the device with ifconfig down/up. Only after a complete reboot will I get my old MAC address
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11:15<Nik05>ok rebooting :) see you later
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11:16<minimalseeker>I have been looking for a skype alternative on linux that would also work on windows and mac (my family is spread around OSes)
11:16<sney>webad_13: yeah, that's normal. it'd probably come back if you unloaded and reloaded the kernel module, too
11:16<user01>sney, i think it is a problem with ant honestly when i google it
11:16<minimalseeker>but none is really that good.
11:17<minimalseeker>logitech has vid = excellent but only works on macs and windows
11:17<olspookishmagus>minimalseeker: why don't you use skype on linux?
11:17<minimalseeker>olspookishmagus, I do. I have just been looking to see if there are alternatives.
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11:18<webad_13>sney, has this been changed recently - maybe I am wrong but it used to be that MAC would reset if I reset the device...?
11:18<olspookishmagus>I only recall that it's report spammer feature irritates, but can't do business without it
11:18<minimalseeker>Otherwise it works pretty well.
11:18<minimalseeker>I hate the spamming on it...
11:18<olspookishmagus>it's MISSING report spammer feature irritates*
11:18<minimalseeker>and its EXTREMELY slow sometimes
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11:18<sney>webad_13: not that I'm aware of
11:19<webad_13>ok, thanx
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11:19<Nik05>back again babilen
11:19<Parsifal>minimalseeker: Mumble is probably worth trying, if you haven't already.
11:19<minimalseeker>Also, I dont like the new skype version on windows and my old version doesnt start anymore. I'd like to have the same client on all of my and my extended contacts OSess
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11:20<minimalseeker>I will check out Mumble, thanks Parsifal. Didnt know about it
11:21<babilen>Nik05: Ok, "glxinfo" to the pastebin!
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11:21<minimalseeker>Parsifal, doesn't look like it has video chat
11:21<minimalseeker>does it?
11:21<Nik05>already doing that :p
11:21<Nik05>http://paste.debian.net/116286/
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11:22<Nik05>looks like its working babilen .....
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11:23<Parsifal>minimalseeker: Not that I know of. I haven't used Skype, so I'm not really familiar with what features it has. If all you want is VoIP, then Mumble should be fine, but if you do need video chat it might not be suitable.
11:23<babilen>Nik05: Most wonderful. I hope you found that interesting and helpful. I would now also suggest to install a flash plugin (as this is probably your next question) by running "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree"
11:23<daemonkeeper>Maybe ekiga supports video chat (now)
11:23<daemonkeeper>Don't know though
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11:24<Nik05>haha lol babilen i was just doing that :)
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11:24<Nik05>how did you know i was doing that, are you god? :p
11:24<daemonkeeper>Yep, looks like ekiga supports video chat now.
11:24<babilen>Nik05: I'll be away for some time, but other people in here are also very helpful. Have a nice time and see you later. :)
11:24<Nik05>Thank you very much babilen :D
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11:24<Nik05>ooh installing flashplayer didnt work...
11:25<Parsifal>Nik05: Do you have contrib in your sources.list?
11:25<Nik05>yes
11:25<webad_13>does anyone know cli sip client?
11:25<Nik05>aah wait it worked :D
11:25<mutante>webad_13: asterisk can be one
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11:26<Nik05>wow this is so easy, installing flash in Windows sucks...
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11:27<mutante>webad_13: "linphone-nox - SIP softphone - console-only client"
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11:27<Nik05>parsifal do you know how i install printer drivers?
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11:28<mutante>Nik05: install CUPS and point your browser to localhost:631
11:28<Nik05>what is CUPS?
11:28<Nik05>its already installed...
11:28<Nik05>aah its an Apple product....
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11:30<webad_13>mutante, thanx I'll try linphone-nox
11:30<mutante>yes, but its the most common on Linux as well, nowadays -> cups.org
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11:30<mutante>webad_13: i havent tried it, but i have setup Asterisk to be a client, rather than a server.. that also works
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11:31<Nik05>mutante what can i do with CUPS?
11:31<mutante>Nik05: add printers:)
11:32<mutante>and print to them
11:32<Nik05>doesnt work :(
11:32<Tiff>Can use them to store tasty liquids, too.
11:32<Nik05>Unable to add printer:
11:32<Nik05> Forbidden
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11:33<Nik05>but what is Apple software doing in the standard Debian installation?
11:33<daemonkeeper>In fact its different. Cups was long used in the Linux world, long before Apple used it in MacOS X
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11:33<mutante>hmmm... i am not aware i had to do that, but sounds like root must tell that users are allowed to add printers ,then
11:33<daemonkeeper>Nik05: What's wrong with that? Debian does not care about vendors but licenses.
11:33<mutante>Nik05: just cause Apple has to do with it, doesnt mean it cant be free software, its still GPLed
11:34<Nik05>Apple is evil... just like Google and Facebook
11:34<daemonkeeper>Go troll elsewhere
11:34<Nik05>troll?
11:34<Nik05>im not a troll
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11:35<sney>apple bought CUPS and hired its lead developer in 2007
11:35<Nik05>ok
11:35<sney>they didn't invent it or anything.
11:35<mutante>Nik05: read the complete source before you install it then:)
11:35<Nik05>i didnt installed it, the debian netinst did it
11:35<Nik05>But Add Printer is not working... what do i need to do>
11:36<esmaeil>hi
11:36<mutante>would try logging in as root then
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11:36<cahoot>wasn't cups originally created by us army or such?
11:36<esmaeil>how can i install test drive in Debian>
11:37<cahoot>no it wasn't
11:37<daemonkeeper>cahoot: It was created by a company called easy software <something> until it was bought by Apple
11:37<sney>cahoot: maybe you're thinking of the internet
11:37<mutante>selinux = NSA ..woohooo...
11:38<Nik05>where can i find ~/.gnome2/gedit/plugins' where '~'
11:38<Nik05>is your home directory.?
11:38<mutante>cd ~
11:38<cahoot>daemonkeeper: I'm just sataurday-evening-confused, disregard ...
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11:39<Parsifal>Nik05: The shell will interpret ~ as your home directory, so you can just give it that path literally
11:40<Nik05>where can i find .gnome2 in the file browser?
11:40<daemonkeeper>Show hidden files
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11:40<mutante>the leading . makes it hidden
11:41<Nik05>ah ok
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11:42<esmaeil>how can i install test drive in Debian>
11:42<mutante>the old Amiga game?
11:42<daemonkeeper>We can read you
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11:43<Nik05>mutante and in what dir can i find .gnome2, i have change preferences to show hidden files
11:43<mutante>Nik05: /home/nik05 ?
11:43<Nik05>aah there :)
11:43<daemonkeeper>($HOME, ~, ...)
11:43<Nik05>thanks
11:44<minimalseeker>Hmmm why is it that Conky is telling me that I am using 172 MB of Ram while Top and Free are telling me that I am using 381 MB (with 124 MB buffers)
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11:44<minimalseeker>Is conky right or are top/free right?
11:45<mutante>how about comparing to the output of cat /proc/meminfo
11:45<Nik05>yey latex works in gedit :)
11:46<mutante>esmaeil: what is "test drive"?
11:46<cahoot>gedit works as editor? cool
11:46<Nik05>ok one question left. I have 3 partitions on my hardisk: 1. Windows 7, 2. storage, 3. debian
11:47<Nik05>how do i access 2. storage without entering my root password every time?
11:47<minimalseeker>mutante, how is this: paste.debian.net/116287
11:48<mutante>Nik05: by editing /etc/fstab to allow users mounting it, using the "user" keyword..
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11:48<minimalseeker>what on earth are all those numbers?
11:48<minimalseeker>why don't they match?
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11:49<Nik05>euh how do i leave man in terminal?
11:49<minimalseeker>Is conky lying?
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11:49<Nik05>ok thanks mutante
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11:50<esmaeil>mutante: test drive is a virtual machine, u can install ubuntu/kubuntu/... and lunch them?
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11:50<mutante>minimalseeker: i always have a hard time with those, myself ;) i was hoping you would find the numbers from top/free and conky in there somewhere, and that would explain it. After all i think they all can just read info from /proc ..so i guess that should be their source of data... hmm..shrug
11:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 506] by debhelper
11:51<mutante>Nik05: q
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11:51<Nik05>aah ok thanks :)
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11:52<minimalseeker>If conky is lying then distros like say, Crunchbang get away with lower stats
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11:52<minimalseeker>when in fact they might be using a ton more memory than they claim to be
11:53<Nik05>mutante what do i need to put into fstab?
11:53<minimalseeker>after all I am running JUST xorg+openbox+chrome(With 3 tabs)+2 terminal windows+conky and I have close to 400MB ram consumption according to top and free
11:53<minimalseeker>what am I doing wrong?
11:54<minimalseeker>Why is this system not taking up less resources?
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11:54<minimalseeker>I am tweaking to get a around 100-200 megs with the base applications and I am overshooting 200 Megs very very quickly.
11:55<minimalseeker>Any ideas are most most welcome.
11:55<mutante>esmaeil: ah, i see, its an Ubuntu thing. I dont know if the Ubuntu packages could work, but at your own risk you could try adding the repos as described on http://www.ubuntugeek.com/testdrive-test-drive-an-ubuntu-iso-in-a-virtual-machine.html
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11:55<themill>minimalseeker: I'd have a guess that chrome is going to be involved in this. ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size --sort size
11:55<Nik05>brb going to eat pizza :)
11:55<jhutchins_lt>minimalseeker: You need to read up on Linux memory usage. Linux uses all your ram - why would you have it and not use it?
11:56<themill>minimalseeker: but also, as jhutchins_lt said, /msg dpkg free ram
11:56<esmaeil>mutante: i tried but unfortunately it didn't work!
11:57<mutante>esmaeil: i guess, then your next chance is getting the source packages, and recompiling them on a Debian box
11:57<esmaeil>mutante: how can i do?
11:59<daemonkeeper>!package recompile
11:59<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>.
12:00<mutante>esmaeil: somehow like: apt-get source testdrive on the Ubuntu box, and copy the source package it downloads to the Debian box, or directly from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~testdrive/testdrive/trunk/files , then read up on creating your own .deb ...
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12:00<mutante>esmaeil: what the bot said :)
12:00<daemonkeeper>(Leaving out 3)
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12:02<webad_13>does anyone know anything about this error :relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcore.so.0: symbol av_default_item_name, version LIBAVUTIL_50 not defined in file libavutil.so.50 with link time reference
12:03<esmaeil>mutante: let me see.
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12:04<daemonkeeper>webad_13: Let me guess, you use debian multimedia?
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12:05<minimalseeker>Okay question for decreasing boot time. How can I make the system autoselect the non-recovery mode without any delay, login as me and then startx all in one go?
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12:05<webad_13>daemonkeeper, linphonec (console version of linphone) when run it gives this
12:06<esmaeil>mutante: how can get that file?
12:07<webad_13>daemonkeeper, is there sth I could do about it?
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12:08<daemonkeeper>webad_13: But the library you are referring to does not exist on Debian, but on Debian Multimedia only. Therefore I'd guess your tool uses ffmpeg somehow which you do have installed from DMM
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12:11<webad_13>deamonkeeper: I do no have ffmpeg installed but these libraries are present... should I consider installing ffmpeg
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12:12<daemonkeeper>Well, apparently there is an ABI conflict betwen libraries. Since you are using unsupported external repositories I can't help you
12:14<webad_13>ok, I'll try reinstalling - thanx in any case
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12:15<webad_13>daemonkeeper, it works now - I just installed ffmpeg ... yey !!!
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12:26<arunr>today I have upgraded to squeeze and seems like my gnome is messed up between gnome 2 and 3
12:26<arunr>I'm not able to install 2 neither 3
12:26<daemonkeeper>There is no Gnome 3 in Squeeze
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12:26<daemonkeeper>Where did you get that from?
12:26<arunr>debain site
12:27<daemonkeeper>Sid you mean?
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12:27<arunr>I have upgraded using apt-get .....
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12:30<arunr>How can I re-install gnome2
12:30<arunr>I'm not able to install gdm as well
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12:30<arunr>show deps error
12:31<arunr>when I try install deps only lower version get installed.
12:31<arunr>I guess every one is busy ...
12:31<themill>!show sources.list arunr
12:31<dpkg>arunr: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
12:32<themill>arunr: you need to provide *lots* more *specific* information before anyone can help you. The output of "apt-cache policy" would also be handy. Also "/msg dpkg bat" and provide the suggested information in a pastebin.
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12:33<Nik05>can someone tell me how i can mount my partition on boot with fstab?
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12:35<arunr>this sources.list
12:35<arunr>http://pastebin.com/X2dipXV2
12:35<ZykoticK9>Nik05, what format is the partition (ext/fat/ntfs/other)?
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12:35<Nik05>euh ntfs i think
12:35<Nik05>its made with Windows 7
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12:36<Nik05>ZykoticK9 http://paste.debian.net/116290/
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12:36<ZykoticK9>Nik05, sorry I can't help with ntfs stuff - good luck.
12:36<arunr>apt-cache policy
12:36<arunr>http://pastebin.com/95N6FW8S
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12:37<Nik05>ok thx
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12:40<Zomb>Nik05: just install ntfs-3g and specify it in fstab
12:41<Zomb>like: UUID=A40EFA510EFA1C4C /mnt/c ntfs-3g utf8,user,umask=000 0 0
12:41<Nik05>how do i specify it in fstab?
12:41<Nik05>ok
12:41<Zomb>for uuid, use blkid tool
12:41<Nik05>:S
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12:42<daemonkeeper>arunr: Wow, that's a horrible sources.list
12:42<daemonkeeper>No wonder you end up in something completely unsupported
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12:42<arunr>hmm
12:42<Nik05>daemonkeeper to whom are you talking?
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12:43<arunr>daemonkeeper can u pastebin the working sources.list
12:43<arunr>if have or know
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12:43<arunr>Nikc daemonkeeper is talking to me !!
12:43<daemonkeeper>arunr: That won't help you, if you are in the middle of an upgrade process. You can't easily go back, as apt does not support downgrades
12:44<daemonkeeper>Do you /have/ something installed since you added the experimental repository?
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12:44<arunr>I just added this experimental to install gnome 3
12:45<daemonkeeper>Did you actually install something?
12:45<arunr>since my gnome 2 is not working for me
12:45<arunr>No I'm not in the middle of upgrade process
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12:45<themill>mixing more and more things together is unlikely to solve problems
12:45<daemonkeeper>If you did not install something, you better remove experimental. This won't work that way
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12:46<arunr>just did that
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12:47<daemonkeeper>You have a lot of external repositories as well, but you probably had a reason to add them.
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12:47<daemonkeeper>Next do apt-get update and then explain what is not working with your gnome 2
12:47<daemonkeeper>Note there is no supported way to get Gnome 3 in Debian Squeeze (yet)
12:48<daemonkeeper>/maybe/ there will be a backport someday
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12:49<babilen>-next? ;)
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12:49<arunr>after update
12:49<daemonkeeper>babilen: http://pastebin.com/X2dipXV2
12:49<arunr>when I ran apt-get install gnome (I got lot of deps error)
12:50<arunr>which include gdm3
12:50<daemonkeeper>(this was arunrs sources.list)
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12:50<babilen>daemonkeeper: ouch
12:50<daemonkeeper>babilen: Therefore I try to put it to a supported state, as he did not install something from experimental yet (ignoring the third party stuff)
12:51<babilen>good
12:51<daemonkeeper>arunr: Please provide us more information
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12:52<ZykoticK9>arunr, fyi gdm3 isn't part of Gnome3, it's the default GDM for squeeze
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12:52<arunr>can u tell me what kind of output need so that I can provice exact one.
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12:52<daemonkeeper>Well, you speak about dependency problems
12:52<daemonkeeper>Show us
12:52<arunr>k.
12:53<minimalseeker>Can someone suggest a good light archive extractor for debian?
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12:53<daemonkeeper>tar?
12:53<arunr>http://pastebin.com/Wu7AZD64
12:53<babilen>minimalseeker: tar? unp?
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12:53<minimalseeker>how do I install those?
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12:54<ZykoticK9>arunr, is trying to install gnome-desktop-environment any more successful?
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12:55<daemonkeeper>And can you provide the output of apt-cache policy gnome
12:55<arunr>ZykoticK9 -> http://pastebin.com/0tRTDRtj
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12:56<arunr>cache_policy : http://pastebin.com/TRSKyV6s
12:56<ZykoticK9>arunr, i'd say you really need to fix your sources, then "aptitude update", then try installing again. good luck.
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12:57<babilen>minimalseeker: Like all other package with "aptitude install" -- If you are unsure which package you can find them in run "aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search -x 'bin/unp$'"
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12:57<minimalseeker>thanks
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12:57<daemonkeeper>arunr: "apt-cache policy gnome", but your policy as is looks ok, even if I'm unsure what Google and Virtualbox may provide.
12:57<minimalseeker>Which file browsers do you prefer?
12:57<arunr>I did that aptitude update
12:58<daemonkeeper>zsh
12:58<Nik05>Can someone help me with mount a ntfs partition on boot? I added /dev/sda3 /media/data auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 to fstab but it didnt work
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12:58<arunr>k, for now I'll disable virtualBox and goolge.
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12:58<daemonkeeper>arunr: Please provide "apt-cache policy gnome" before
13:00<ZykoticK9>arunr, FYI it's very unlikely that oracle or google's repos are causing your current issue
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13:00<ZykoticK9>arunr, experimental on the other hand...
13:01<daemonkeeper>The latest policy does not show experimental anymore
13:01<daemonkeeper>Hence I want to find out what provides "gnome"
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13:02<arunr>http://pastebin.com/xz5LY4FV
13:02<arunr>gnome_cahce
13:02<arunr>I have disabled experi... virtual but not able to find the google in my sources.list
13:02<themill>arunr: the output of "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" would be useful to see.
13:03<daemonkeeper>Ok, that's the right one. Now, what provides "gnome-core" for you?
13:03<daemonkeeper>themill: http://pastebin.com/0tRTDRtj
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13:03<themill>daemonkeeper: aptitude not apt-get
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13:04<arunr>here it is http://pastebin.com/2Kmb7uPb
13:04<arunr>aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment
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13:05<arunr>gnome-core : http://pastebin.com/4VRxJBja
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13:06<daemonkeeper>Now, that's interesting
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13:07<Nik05>i just installed sl but its not working, what did i do wrong? :P
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13:13<arunr>daemonkeeper did u find anything ?
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13:14<daemonkeeper>All I can think of you have some experimental stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives (apt-get clean helps then). Bug given that, you would have most likely experimental packages installed as well
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13:14*babilen likes the "Bug given that" part
13:14<arunr>hmm
13:15<daemonkeeper>heh, "But" of course
13:15<arunr>how do I remove the experimen...
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13:17<daemonkeeper>!list repositories
13:17<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
13:17<daemonkeeper>Please provide output of either one
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13:22<arunr>It's a very very big list of packages.
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13:25<arunr>daemonkeepr : pastebin of what u have asked : http://pastebin.com/MsZrMchv
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13:28<themill>arunr: the packages we need to deal with are the ones at the end that claim to come from "/var/lib/dpkg/status". Some of those packages are left over from lenny and can be removed (later, no need to do it now). Some are from experimental and should be reinstalled from squeeze.
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13:30<arunr>I'll remove the .....status one
13:30<arunr>how do I identify which one to install from experimental
13:30<AzaToth>are there any ttf font package combination that delivers as much support for different character as possible without installing them all?
13:31<daemonkeeper>gnome-desktop3-data: 3.0.0-1 /var/lib/dpkg/status <- You /did/ install experimental packages.
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13:31<daemonkeeper>Ah, themill said that already
13:31<AzaToth>http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~richard/unicode-sample.html ← trying to remove as many squares as possible
13:31<edbian>I'm running find / iname item | grep -v Permission but it's still listing all the files that output 'Permission denied' How can I fix this?
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13:32<AzaToth>edbian: what are you trying to accomplish?
13:32<themill>arunr: I'd be tempted to run "aptitude remove ~o" there to remove all of them as i doubt there's much there that you're using at the moment.
13:33<edbian>AzaToth: find a file named 'item'
13:33<edbian>AzaToth: searching from the root dir
13:33<themill>edbian: errors are on stderr not stdout; only stdout goes down the pipeline.
13:33<edbian>themill: oh
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13:33<grove>edbian: That error message are written to stder, you only pipe stdout to grep, use find ... 2>&1 | ...
13:33<AzaToth>edbian: also you might want to add some dashes ツ
13:34<edbian>find / -iname item 2>&1 | grep -v Permission
13:34<edbian>??
13:34<stderr_dk>Yes.
13:34<edbian>thanks
13:34<AzaToth>edbian: perthaps add -nowarn
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13:35<stderr_dk>Or just throw stderr away and skip the grep -v: find / -iname item 2>/dev/null
13:35<edbian>all great ideas
13:35<edbian>thanks
13:35<AzaToth>or just run it as root ツ
13:35<arunr>themill I'm running remove ....
13:36<edbian>thanks again! :D
13:38<arunr>removed all the ..../dpkg/status/
13:38<arunr>packages
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13:40<arunr>daemonkeeper I have removed all the package from ../dpkg/status
13:41<daemonkeeper>I see. Try again then.
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13:42<arunr>It's now running
13:42<arunr>Installing gnome
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13:43<arunr>thanks
13:43<arunr>thanks to daemonkeeper, themill
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13:47<arunr>goodnght all
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14:04<mfpockets>Hello, looking for help disabling a ath9k wireless card. not sure which driver to blacklist since lsmod |grep ath shows it using 4 things and i dont want to disable wireless all together as there is a usb card im going to use. Sorry my options are ath, mac80211, cfg80211.ledclassless
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14:09<minimalseeker>hi how can I install a .deb package on debian?
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14:12<paolo-desktop2>ciao
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14:12<nyov>minimalseeker: dpkg -i deb
14:13<babilen>minimalseeker: What do you want to install? (if I may ask)
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14:13<daemonkeeper>If one needs ti install a .deb by hand one does most likely something wrong though.
14:13<daemonkeeper>*to
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14:15<sney>better to manually install a .deb than add a random 3rd party repository
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14:25<ompaul>babilen: a third party version of something in contrib (yes I have seen this)
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14:25<nyov>is there a way to figure out what device files a driver could possibly have?
14:25<babilen>ompaul: ta
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14:25<babilen>nyov: device files?
14:26<sney>nodes?
14:26<babilen>frobnicators?
14:26<nyov>hmm i have some hfcpci cards, i need to access inside a cgroup/lxc container
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14:27<nyov>alas, i can't figure out whats not working there
14:27<silvius>hello there
14:27<silvius>i have a problem installing debian from usb stick
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14:27<Nik05>!tell me about something...
14:27<silvius>no cd rom device
14:27<silvius>/dev/sda or b or c don't recognize
14:28<silvius>eny idee ?
14:28<Nik05>how do i configure that when i open a link in here it will open with firefox and not with the webbrowser?
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14:29<Nik05>silvius dutch?
14:29<silvius>yes
14:29<Nik05>:)
14:29<Nik05>whats your problem?
14:29<acu>do the backports for squeeze have other alsa drivers (latest) ?
14:29<Nik05>i just installed it with a USB
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14:37<jhutchins_lt>!tell silvius about usb install
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14:38<silvius>booting is not a problem
14:38<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: But firefox IS a web browser.
14:38<jhutchins_lt>silvius: Please see the message dpkg sent you.
14:38<Nik05>yeah i know
14:39<sney>Nik05: update-alternatives is what you want
14:39<Nik05>but i mean the Epi.... web browser
14:39<silvius>so the dvd1 iso is not made for writing on an usb stick ?
14:39<Nik05>sney what do you mean?
14:39<sney>update-alternatives links the default browser to x-www-browser, so any program can send a link to x-www-browser and get the default.
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14:40<sney>it also uses gnome-www-browser sometimes. anyway, read the man page for update-alternatives, it's fairly clear
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14:41<Nik05>ok thx
14:41<silvius>welke versie heb jij nou eigenlijk gebruikt ?
14:42<silvius>de 180 mb versie ???
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14:45<nyov>without reslotting them physically
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14:47<sney>some bioses let you
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15:40<aussa>what does "/usr/bin/ld" do?
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15:41<themill>aussa: "man ld"
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15:41<sney>it's a linker!
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15:41<sney>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linker_(computing) for the abstract version
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15:51<aussa>I have a linking error, but don't know why? what are the main causes of those?
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15:52<aussa>brb
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15:58<Nik05>!tell me everything
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16:01<Osiris_X>I have my usr LV on sdb2 and it is mounted to /usr on the root LV of sda2. I want to copy the files from the usr LV onto the root LV and turn the mount point into the actual /usr directory. How do I do this with /usr still mounted? Conundrum of the day!
16:02<sney>most easily accomplished from a livecd probably
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16:03<CyL>Does the Debian installer offer the options to install a system with luks+lvm with aes-xts?
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16:04<daemonkeeper>It does support both, LUKS and LVM. I'm not quote sure if you can choose the cipher as well
16:04<daemonkeeper>(Debian people rarely reinstall :))
16:04<Osiris_X>sney, is that the only way?
16:04<CyL>daemonkeeper: last time I've seen it it supported only a-escbc-essiv
16:05<CyL>sorry, aes-cbc-essiv
16:05<daemonkeeper>Might be, as said, I'm not sure if you can choose the cipher. Is there a particular reason why you want to use -xts?
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16:06<grove>As far as I remember from when I installed my new laptop a few months ago I couldn't choose cipher, but I didn't use expert mode
16:06<CyL>Sure, but since this is a fresh install, I'm a bit reticent installing it with algorithms that should be considered deprecated in a few months
16:06<daemonkeeper>If in doubt, #debian-boot could probably tell.
16:07<sney>Osiris_X: well, you could copy it over, change fstab, and reboot
16:07<CyL>daemonkeeper: cbc-essiv is less secure than xts and is more processor intensive...
16:07<daemonkeeper>CyL: I'm aware. But that's really not /that/ significant for both arguments
16:07<CyL>daemonkeeper: thanks very much for your effort, is ths channel freenode or oftc?
16:07<daemonkeeper>OFTC
16:07<CyL>*for your advice
16:08<CyL>daemonkeeper: I mean the #debian-boot
16:08<daemonkeeper>Yeah, its on OFTC
16:08<CyL>thanks once again
16:08<Nik05>babilen what thinks do i need to read? :)
16:09<Osiris_X>sney, but how do I copy to the underlying LV/FS of the mount point and not to the mounted LV/FS?
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16:10<daemonkeeper>What do you want to encrypt at all? If its /home just do it yourself afterwards
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16:14<andreyputilov>Hello. I have some problems with sound. Can I ask here?
16:15<CyL>daemonkeeper: nope, I'm too paranoid to encrypt just /home... I want whole disk encryption :)
16:15<andreyputilov>I`ve used Ubuntu since 8.10, and sound worked always. Now I have got rid of it. I`ve mouted the old home directory, though some old settings could have place.
16:15<andreyputilov>Now I see now errors or warnings, but I here no sound.
16:16<andreyputilov>I suppose my card is supported, because:
16:16<andreyputilov>lspci
16:16<andreyputilov>...
16:16<andreyputilov>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 04)
16:16<andreyputilov>...
16:16-!-andreyputilov was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
16:16<daemonkeeper>CyL: There are few reasons to encrypt the entire system, however be happy to do, if it is worth for you. Depending on your answer in #debian-boot, you may want to bootstrap it instead of using d-i
16:16<CyL>daemonkeeper: Yeah, I thought about installing it by bootstraping a new system...
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16:17<andreyputilov>Ok, I would use http://paste.debian.net and write in a few minutes
16:17<daemonkeeper>andreyputilov: Please note Ubuntu is not supported in #debian. Got to #ubuntu on Freenode (and use a pastebin there as well)
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16:19<andreyputilov>brief: I here no sound
16:20<andreyputilov>I`ve used Ubuntu 8.10, and all was well, though, I think, the card is supported
16:20<andreyputilov>some brief output is here
16:20<andreyputilov>http://paste.debian.net/116309/
16:20<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, have you checked all the basics - volume/mute, speaker connections etc?
16:21<andreyputilov>yes, I`ve checked a volume and I have no speaker connections on my notebook
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16:21<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, is the sound card driver built in to the kernel or as a module?
16:21<costas>hello again...
16:21<sney>andreyputilov: is this on ubuntu or debian?
16:22<andreyputilov>I think a modul, modprobe snd_hda_intel gives no responce
16:22<jhutchins_lt>!intel hda
16:22<andreyputilov>please check the output in pastebin, it is not very long
16:22<sney>andreyputilov: is this on ubuntu or debian?
16:22<andreyputilov>now I have only debian
16:22<sney>ok.
16:23<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, do lsmod to verify the module is loaded
16:23<andreyputilov>I said about Ubuntu only to show that a problem can be sold
16:23<costas>I'm trying to install debian from a motherboard that doesn't have SATA DVD-ROM booting support (booting from USB is fishy too) any ideas before throwing that mobo and get a new one for 130 euros?
16:23<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: looks like you've got the right driver. Is pulse audio installed?
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16:23<andreyputilov>yes, it is present in this output
16:24<andreyputilov>ps aux | grep pulse root 3003 0.0 0.0 3324 784 pts/0 S+ 20:35 0:00 grep pulse
16:24<sney>costas: maybe an IDE dvd-rom drive for 30 euros
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16:24<sney>or free if you have one lying around
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16:24<costas>IDE DVD-Rs are obsolete here, but will try to get one Monday morning...
16:25<sney>they're obsolete everywhere but you can sometimes get them anyway
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16:25<costas>(I threw the damaged ones away before trying the new SATA dvd-r)
16:25<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, that output does not say pulseaudio is loaded - it is simply telling you you issued the grep pulse command
16:25<andreyputilov>well, I don`t know is pulseaudio is loaded
16:25<jhutchins_lt>costas: What about a BIOS update?
16:25<jhutchins_lt>costas: Sounds strange that it has SATA but doesn't do DVD's.
16:25<andreyputilov>and I don`t know how to use lsmod, sorry
16:26<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, if pulseaudio was loaded you would see something like : 4794 3.9 0.4 161240 4264 ? Ssl 06:45 34:29 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start
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16:26<costas>BIOS is current (latest firmware allready in there, albatron k8x800 Pro II) net install is an option, any guides?
16:26<sney>on very rare occasions, the snd-hda-intel included with 2.6.32 is incompatible with sound chips and needs to be rebuilt with module-assistant
16:26<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: man lsmod or even just run lsmod, and you can use dpkg -l pulse*
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>costas: It's in the Install Guide
16:26<jhutchins_lt>!tell costas about ig
16:27<costas>jhutchins, it sees the SATA drive but refuses to boot from it...
16:27<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, do lsmos as I said before and check if the driver module is loaded
16:27<Osiris_X>lsmod*
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16:27<jhutchins_lt>costas: Ah, I used to have three different DVD drives and none of them would boot on all machines.
16:27<costas>thanks, will check for it
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16:27<jhutchins_lt>costas: It's the drive, not the MB.
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16:28<jhutchins_lt>costas: Well, the combination really.
16:28<sney>I wouldn't be so sure, many of those old VIA boards were pretty funky about hardware support
16:28<costas>I know, but no refunds from the retailer that got it and it has NO new IDE dvd-roms on stock (that's lame and they know it)
16:29<jhutchins_lt>costas: You can try a CD instead of a DVD (netinstall), you can try PXE if you have another computer, you can move the HD to the other computer and do debbootstrap or a regular install on it, then move it back.
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16:29<eightyei1ht>what happened to nm-applet?
16:29<jhutchins_lt>costas: No, nobody's making IDE DVDs any more.
16:29<eightyei1ht>what is the replacement, if it's been pulled?
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16:29<jhutchins_lt>costas: Existing stock in the pipeline is all there is. SATA.
16:30<costas>I found me a nice amd64 mobo supporting 4 SATAs and a couple of IDES, that would do the trick (my ancient mobo never quite made it to fully use USB 2.0 anyways)
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16:31<costas>60 euros... cheap...
16:31<sney>maybe I should keep my spares and later sell them for $100 once they're really rare
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16:31<andreyputilov>Here is a lsmod http://paste.debian.net/116311/
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16:31<andreyputilov>I need some time to answer other questions
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16:33<Osiris_X>eightyeight, I still have nm-applet on wheexy
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16:33<costas>it's time for this ancient debianhead to ... upgrade (I'm keeping the amd64 and that mobo is going to the fireplace)
16:34<Osiris_X>andreyputilov, it looks like snd_hda_intel is loaded
16:34<andreyputilov>I think pulseaudio is not installed,
16:34<costas>!beer jhutchins
16:34*dpkg pours a litre of Green Flash IPA for jhutchins
16:34<andreyputilov>dpkg -l pulse* ... (some russian text), then
16:34<dpkg>No packages found matching pulse* ... (some russian text), then
16:34<andreyputilov>+++-==============-==============-============================================
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16:34<jhutchins_lt>!localized errors
16:34<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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16:35<andreyputilov>un pulseaudio <no> (no description)
16:35<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: That's good.
16:35<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: What exactly is the problem again?
16:35<andreyputilov>I here no sound
16:36<costas>andreyputilov, do an "apt-get install alsa" then change your mixer settings...
16:36<jhutchins_lt>!tell andreyputilov about alsa checklist
16:36<costas>default mixer settings are muted...
16:36<andreyputilov>what settings? Here is a screenshot of alsamixer http://i057.radikal.ru/1105/64/8337df8b5e33.png
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16:37<andreyputilov>alsa is installed
16:37<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: Read the message from dmsg.
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16:38<sney>this is exactly like that one the other day where the person had to rebuild alsa-source
16:39<andreyputilov>I need some time to read what dpkg wrote to me ("jhutchins_lt wants you to know...")
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16:39<sney>snd-hda-intel, squeeze, everythihng appears normal, but no sounds come out
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16:40<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: That last line is See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. in case it got mangled.
16:40<jhutchins_lt>sney: That hda_intel stuff is pretty new and flaky.
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16:41<costas>andreyputilov, make sure to select proper soundcard if your system has multiple soundcards...
16:41<andreyputilov>Here is a dmesg http://paste.debian.net/116312/
16:43<streuner>there is always OSS4
16:43<streuner>AD1986A doesnt work in ALSA at all
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16:45<andreyputilov>Yes, I here some noize /home/andrey# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
16:45<andreyputilov>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
16:47<andreyputilov>and not from root also, but no sound from totem and rhythmbox
16:47<costas>!tell andreyputilov about OSS4
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16:48<towo`>andreyputilov, what notebook this is?
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16:48<andreyputilov>EMashines E510
16:48<cahoot>why would oss help with that?
16:49<streuner>it just work
16:49<towo`>andreyputilov, try echo options snd-hda-inel model=3stack > /etc/modprobe.d/mysound.conf
16:50<cahoot>didn't he just declare he had sound?
16:50<streuner>snd-had-intel doenst always work well
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>!oss4
16:51<dpkg>[oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian Squeeze. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net.
16:51<streuner>yes, thats what he told us after we told him about OSS4
16:51<andreyputilov>sorry, maybe this is only a codec problem, because some file formats I heared now.
16:52<costas>it's not the greek politics issue, if alsa doesn't work just use OSS4...
16:52<streuner>andreyputilov: but you are able to hear something of a simple wav file? forget OSS4 then ;-)
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16:52<andreyputilov>But I`ve done http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs this and had no warnings and no ask to install something
16:52<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: Codecs apply to various media formats. The Alsa test file should play.
16:53<andreyputilov>this played aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
16:53<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: Silly question, but do you know your speakers are properly connected, powerd on, and turned up?
16:53<streuner>ok, so its not bug
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16:53<costas>andreyputilov, try the ALSA way first, if it doesn't result on audio working, then try OSS4, it's all in the appropriate WIKIS, some reading and you'll be fine man...
16:54<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: So now the problem is getting your music players to connect to your working alsa system. You need to be a member of the right group.
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16:54<costas>I'm out people, have a nice weekend..
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>andreyputilov: Once you're a member of the audio group, log out, log back in, see if they work.
16:56<eljefe>Any FUSE filesystems out there, or something else, which would allow me to create a fake RAID0 with two folders, each on seperate drives? I don't want a full raid, just some performance boost
16:57<eljefe>and only for specific video files, not the full drive
16:57<andreyputilov>ok, thank all very much, I am going to #audio
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17:03<Nik05>hello
17:03<jhutchins_lt>eljefe: Doing it that way won't give you any improvement.
17:04<Nik05>guys i have a question. I downloaded Teamspeak 3 Client to Home/Downloads
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17:04<Nik05>it has the extension .run so i runned it and it installed itself in the home/downloads dir
17:05<Nik05>how can i safely remove it from there and install it somewhere else?
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17:05<Nik05>and what is the best place to install it?
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17:09<Nik05>still someone here who can help me? :(
17:09<Nik05>:)
17:10<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: We're generally not able to help with non-Debian software.
17:10<NthDegree[Web]>hey guys, where do I start for detecting why a PC has rebooted on its own?
17:10<NthDegree[Web]>I know when it happened from kern.log but what are the appropriate logs to read?
17:10*NthDegree[Web] is concerned it could be an intrusion
17:11<petemc>syslog/messages/dmesg are good places to look
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17:14<Nik05>ok jhutchins but what is the best place to install non debian stuff?
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17:14<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Depends on the stuff, and where it thinks it needs to be. You need to consult the stuff's documentation.
17:15<NthDegree[Web]>petemc, it's weird, there's nothing informative there
17:15<jhutchins_lt>NthDegree[Web]: Power?
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17:15<jhutchins_lt>NthDegree[Web]: did it shutdown or just start rebooting?
17:15<jhutchins_lt>(start booting I mean)
17:16<aussa>how can I fix a linker error when it cannot find a file or something?
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17:16<NthDegree[Web]>jhutchins_lt, not sure there, the logs only show the kernel initialising again at 12:15.. the last log message before that was a SIGHUP on rsyslogd at 8:01
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17:17<jhutchins_lt>NthDegree[Web]: So is that sighup a part of a normal shutdown prior to the boot?
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17:17<NthDegree[Web]>jhutchins_lt, not sure there.. i've not manually sent that
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17:27<zx>.
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17:28<zx>سلام
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17:28<zx>عليكم
17:28<sney>english here
17:28<zx>iam sorry
17:29<dvs>not scribble? ;-)
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17:35<jhutchins_lt>I think it's cool my cient can display that though
17:36<sney>yeah! unicode!
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17:36<demooriaan>yes, client more smart than us
17:37<sney>utf-8 will unite the peoples of the earth
17:37<demooriaan>if one canread arabian etc
17:38<thewanderer1>we could all speak English as well and use only 1 byte for all characters, saving the trees...
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17:48<aussa>how do I fix a link error: this is what I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lOSGWindowGLUT, have any of you ever installed inVRs?
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18:14<demooriaan_>aussa: if you really need to install 3rd party software, read the doc _from_them_, and read _all_ and at least twice
18:15<demooriaan_>http://dev.invrs.org/projects/invrs/documents
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18:17<aussa>subversion = svn?
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18:17<hazard2>aussa, yes
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18:21<aussa>to download from svn, what do I have to install, I looked for svn in aptitude but don't know which one to install? :S
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18:22<themill>,info subversion
18:22<judd>Package subversion (vcs, optional) in squeeze/i386: Advanced version control system. Version: 1.6.12dfsg-4; Size: 1271.9k; Installed: 4188k; Homepage: http://subversion.apache.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/subversion
18:22<themill>aussa: ^^ that one
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18:23<xuser>a ubuntu screenshot!
18:23<xuser>:p
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18:24<AzaToth>shouldn't it be a *real* screenshot of svn?
18:24<aussa>ty
18:25<ycr>I need help about keyboard
18:25<ycr>which one is the correct chanel
18:25<ycr>?
18:25<AzaToth>i.e. borked merges, inconsisten states etc...
18:26<tic>Hi,I'm a Squezze (with some sid repo) and (unlike in ubuntu) I have no sound, a lscpi -v http://paste.debian.net/116316/
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18:26<xuser>Hi Squeezze
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18:26<xuser>tic: you should go to the doctor
18:27<Thamus>Tic did I had the same problem
18:27<Thamus>Im looking thru my notes now hang on
18:27<tic>Ahah,I'm sort of a squezze too
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18:28<xuser>tic: squeeze with sid repo is not squeeze
18:28<babilen>ycr: this channel will do fine
18:28<tic>I cannot find alsaconf (in alsa-utils) too
18:29<xuser>tic: do you mean you upgradedto sid?
18:29<Thamus>OK Tic maybe you need to "adduser tic audio" to your groups
18:29<Arrowmaster>!alsaconf
18:29<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
18:29<Arrowmaster>dpkg: +tell tic -about alsa checklist
18:29<dpkg>told tic about alsa checklist.
18:30<Thamus>Tic try and check or verify permission levels
18:30<Guest63> 13 apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
18:30<tic>xuser:sorry im very new to debian,there is my source.list:http://paste.debian.net/116318/
18:30<Guest63>alsactl init
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18:31<tic>Thamus:I'm already in audio group
18:31<Nik05>hey babilen :)
18:31<Nik05>i have installed teamspeak in the Home/Downloads dir :p
18:31<Thamus>Tic do you know how to apt-get ?
18:31<xuser>tic: nice, you are mixing stable, unstable and experimental
18:32<Nik05>then i moved it to /usr/lib64/teamspeak is that a correct place?
18:32<tic>Thamus:yep,i have alsa-base and utils
18:32<babilen>Nik05: No -- Put it in /usr/local (best use stow -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage) -- or just leave it in ~/bin/ and modify the path accordingly
18:33<ycr>Hello I lost many of the combinations of the keyboard with ctrl+ something, after updating the system do can someone help me in restore the default combinations
18:33<Thamus>Tic have you looked at your dmesg yet?
18:33<babilen>Nik05: modify the PATH accordingly that is -- stow is a good option though
18:33<Thamus>Tic is your user name added to your audio group?
18:33<Nik05>huh what do you mean babilen ?
18:34<Nik05>is it correct to move the dir to /usr/lib64?
18:34<babilen>Nik05: well, go and read some documentation -- /msg dpkg general cli tutorial -- /msg dpkg reference
18:34<Arrowmaster>tic: check your private messages and follow the alsa checklist that dpkg messaged to you
18:34<babilen>Nik05: that is certainly *not* correct
18:34<Nik05>ooh :p
18:34<tic>Thamus:Im on audio group and there is my dmesg : http://paste.debian.net/116319/
18:34<Nik05>it was a file with the extension .run
18:35<Nik05>so i runned it in /home/downloads
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18:35<Nik05>and it create a dir in there
18:35<babilen>Nik05: locally installed software goes into /usr/local -- but you can also just leave it in your home directory (~) and set the PATH where your shell searches for commands to run accordingly
18:35<Thamus>Ok Tic I will take a look at it now
18:35<Nik05>ok so i need to move it from /usr/lib64 to /usr/local?
18:36<babilen>Nik05: I know nothing about teamspeak, but local installation should *never* mess with anything outside of /usr/local
18:36<Nik05>mess? i just moved it to /usr/lib64.... :p
18:36<Nik05>should i move it to /usr/local/lib?
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18:38<babilen>Nik05: What is this "it" you are talking about?
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18:39<Nik05>euh the folder /teamspeak should i move it to /usr/local/lib?
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18:40<babilen>Nik05: Why /lib? I would move it to /usr/local/stow/teamspeak and use stow to create proper symbolic links. Please, you need to read a bit of documentation. You'll be lost otherwise and might break your system.
18:41<Nik05>ooh ok :)
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18:41<tic>Arrowmaster:Thanks for the message but it didn't work and modprobe is not found! (WTF) Should I reinstall ?
18:41<Nik05>there is no stow dir in local babilen
18:41<Arrowmaster>modprobe is root only
18:41<babilen>Nik05: I know, you'll have to create it.
18:41<ycr>how to restore keyboard shortcuts ?
18:41<Nik05>ok
18:41<tic>Arrowmaster: oh...sorry
18:42<babilen>Nik05: /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage -- "man stow"
18:42<Nik05>ok thanks
18:42<Nik05>i will read all those things :)
18:43<Nik05>and one last question how can i change the audio output from my boxes to my headset?
18:43<Thamus>tic can you post a lsmod for me please
18:44<tic>Thamus: A lsmod : http://paste.debian.net/116320/
18:44<Kull>Just wondering, is there a meta-package for kde4 on Debian stable?
18:44<Thamus>Thanks tic I will look at it now.
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18:45<daemonkeeper>Kull: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
18:45<themill>dpkg: tell kull about install kde4
18:45<Kull>Ugh, please dont /msg spam me with a bot
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18:45<aussa>can I choose the initial size of the terminal window?
18:45<Kull>daemonkeeper: that links to a sid package, is that safe to install on stable?
18:45<ycr>hi i need to restore the default configuration the keyboard in gnome becuase the combinations of CTRL are not working
18:45<xuser>aussa: yes
18:46<xuser>ycr: go to gnome keyboard settings and click the default bottom
18:47<daemonkeeper>Kull: This documentation dates back to a time, where KDE4 was in sid, not in stable yet. You aren't supposed to download those packages, just get the names, to find out which meta package you want
18:47<ycr>thanks xuser i did that but still not working, simple things like CTRL+C are not working
18:47<Nik05>does someone know how i change audio devices?
18:47<babilen>Kull: (or just read the factoid dpkg sent you)
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18:49<xuser>ycr: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
18:49<ycr>let me try
18:50<aussa>xuser: how?
18:50<Thamus>Tic it appear that your kernel is using the HDA Intel driver. also it appears that you may need to modprobe some modules
18:50<Nik05>babilen do you know how i can change the audio output device?
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18:50<xuser>tic: just reinstall and don't mix stable, sid and experimental
18:50<xuser>aussa: what terminal?
18:50<jhutchins_lt>!tell Kull about install kde
18:51<aussa>xfce terminal
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18:52<Nik05>!tell Nik05 about audio device
18:52<xuser>aussa: by quick googling... with the --geometry= option
18:53<aussa>sry
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18:53<tic>xuser: I just want a debian with gnome-shell but testing iso does not exist? (or I take a squezze and remplace repo with testing or sid repo ?)
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18:53<ycr>no xuser i finish with it and still not working, let me explain what i did before the problem i install amarok but the multimedia keys were not working so i download the scripts for gnome i dont know if is part of the problem
18:53<planet8>When running on a core 2 duo is amd64 the right iso to use? i386 isn't using 64 bit right?
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18:54<themill>planet8: you could use either amd64 or i386; i386 is a 32 bit userspace (but you could put it on top of a 64 kernel still)
18:54<planet8>themill, thanks
18:55<daemonkeeper>dpkg: dell Nik05 about selftell
18:55<dpkg>daemonkeeper: I don't know, could you explain it?
18:55<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell Nik05 about selftell
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18:55<Thamus>Tic I agree that you shouldn't mix distro in your source file.
18:56<tic>Thamus:Okay,how do I clean this up?
18:56<Nik05>daemonkeeper do you know how i change my audio output device from my boxes to my headset?
18:56<Thamus>jut put a "#" comment out the other versions
18:56<Thamus>nano the source file
18:56<Nik05>on Windows i just change audio output but here...
18:56<Thamus>then save it
18:56<xuser>ycr: probably
18:56<Thamus>I can give you a copy of mine
18:57<tic>Thamus:Thanks a lot!
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18:57<Thamus>also I have a bash script I can give you to that I wrote
18:57<Thamus>let me post it hang on
18:57<tic>Thamus:Okay,I do bash too
18:58<Nik05>Does no one knows how to do that? :(
18:58<xuser>tic: there is no gnome-shell in debian yet
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18:59<Thamus>http://paste.debian.net/116321/
18:59<Thamus>ok thats my source tic
18:59<Thamus>Stand by for my scripts
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19:00<tic>xuser:http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell ??? (maybe with the ppa)
19:01<xuser>tic: I guess is in experimental
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19:01<xuser>Nik05: check your sound settings for your DE?
19:02<tic>Thamus: It change nothing,my system is "updated" already...
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19:02<Thamus>http://paste.debian.net/116322/ ok here is a copy of my script.
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19:02<Thamus>look at line number 2
19:02<planet8>What does "no irq handler for vector (irq -1)" mean?
19:02<xuser>tic: read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/
19:03<Nik05>xuser what is DE?
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19:04<Thamus>Tic do you have your sound on your computer turned up??
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19:04<Thamus>I had mine turned down on the keyboard laptop and it really messed me up for like 3 days
19:05<Thamus>Big mistake on my part. My pride got hurt too!
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19:06<tic>Thamus: ahah sure it is
19:06<ycr>so if i delete amarok is possible that my Ctrl
19:06<ycr>will work again?
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19:08<tic>Thamus: nice script
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19:08<Thamus>Thanks
19:08<Thamus>remember to use it as superuser and us it ./menu
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19:09<Thamus>As you can see that I am lazy. I didn't write alot of remarks like I should have.
19:09<tic>Thamus: did it but haven't chnaged nothing yet
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19:09<Thamus>Planet8 what Kernel version are you using
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19:10<Thamus>I am seeing that your issue might be some sort of bug
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19:10<planet8>Thamus, 2.6.32-5-amd64
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19:11<tic>Thamus:Should I report a bug?
19:11<Thamus>Planet8 if you have a cam hooked up to your computer.. disconnect it
19:11<Thamus>then reboot
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19:12<planet8>Thamus, I'll try that, there is some tv card connected to the machine, I suspect that's the card.
19:12<planet8>Thamus, thanks.
19:12<Thamus>Planet8 it looks like it might be one of your cards or usb connections
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19:12<Thamus>disconnect one at time until you find the culprit
19:13<planet8>Thamus, I'll try one at the time and see if the error disapears
19:13<planet8>yes :)
19:13<planet8>Thanks!
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19:13<Thamus>Planet8 no problem let me know how it works.
19:13<planet8>will do!
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19:13<ycr>So what can i do to restore all the shortcuts of the keyboard i uninstall amarok now but the problem still
19:13<Thamus>Tic you still there?
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19:14<tic>Thamus: Yep,I try to detect my usb key and unetbootin don't detect syslinux ( <= my debian is completely broken)
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19:16<Thamus>Tic. Before I forget. when you finally do get everything working, get a copy of conzilla and ghost your drive!!! this is important. Trust me!!
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19:17<tic>Thamus: clonezilla,okay!
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19:17<tic>Now,I will reinstall my squezze
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19:17<tic>By and thanks for all the fish
19:17<Thamus>I seriously recommend that program!!! Its kinda hard to use but it works great. I clone all of my computer to a external usb 320g hard drive
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19:23<weedeater64>http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_15.html#SEC213 Says I can do, grep ing^ words to list all the words in 'words' that end with 'ing' but that isn't working, what is the correct way ?
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19:23<jhutchins_lt>Thamus: Clonezilla's pretty cool. Works for just about anything.
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19:24<jhutchins_lt>weedeater64: That's because ^ is 'beginning of line'.
19:25<weedeater64>jhutchins_lt: I figured out how to use it in front of a string to get 'begins with', but what is the right way to get 'ends with' ?
19:25<jhutchins_lt>weedeater64: grep's default is to show lines, not just words, but I would check the manpage. "ing " or \<space> might work.
19:25<babilen>weedeater64: $
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19:25<jhutchins_lt>weedeater64: $ is end-of-line
19:25<weedeater64>Nice, thanks
19:26<weedeater64>Weird that site, lot's of good useful info, but littered with mistakes like that.
19:28<weedeater64>jhutchins_lt: is there a package in repoo's , like a cheat sheet or something to learn regex, or could you recommend a good site, prefferable a download.
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19:32<weedeater64>BTW lines vs words , it is /usr/share/dict/american-english I'm working with , so lines ok, but good to know.
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19:36<ycr>hello i lost my keybindings of CTRL on gnome, i try with CTRL the other combinations with i think are working
19:36<ycr>can someone help me with this problem
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19:41<weedeater64>ycr: apropos keyboard may help
19:42<ycr>sorry what is apropos?
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19:43<weedeater64>apropos [keyword]
19:43<weedeater64>searches man pages for [keyword]
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19:45<weedeater64>man -k keyboard
19:45<weedeater64>same
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19:47<Gerowen>So I pulled out my extra hard drive and gave Ubuntu 11.04 a trial run. That didn't last long, Unity behaves like it's an even bigger resource hog than Vista.
19:47<gardo>+1 Flamebait :-)
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19:49<Gerowen>:p
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19:52<gardo>Gerowen, LXDE > Unity
19:52<Gerowen>i just came back to my good old Debian/Gnome
19:53<Gerowen>I've used LXDE a little bit, not too familiar with it. Not that I didn't like it, I'm just used to Gnome.
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19:53<gardo>yeah, I used gnome for years
19:53<gardo>but it became bigger than I needed
19:54<gardo>I tried XFCE and it was still bigger than needed
19:54<gardo>so I tried LXDE and then I found balance :)
19:54<Gerowen>Hasn't Knoppix switched to LXDE for their LiveCDs?
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19:54<gardo>I'm basically using one maximized app per desktop, so I don't need fancy stuff :P
19:54<gardo>hum, no idea; but that would be neat
19:56<gardo>hum, yeah, they did
19:56<gardo>LXDE is the default
19:56<gardo>good thing to know : D
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19:58<mzhang>I saw messages like "ata4: softreset failed" and trying to figure out which hard drive that is - how to do that please?
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20:00<Gerowen>I was told that that message refers to the system trying to initialize IDE hard drives when you don't have any.
20:00<Gerowen>So it's fine to see that, I see it and my only hard drive is a SATA one.
20:00<Nines>Can anyone possibly help me out?
20:01<Nines>I'm having problems with my internet connection on my debian laptop
20:01<mzhang>Gerowen, but I have a hard drive problem - my windows is not starting up but I wonder how I can find out which hard drive is ata4?
20:01<ycr>weedeater64 i wrote -k keyboard
20:01<Gerowen>Nines: I can give it a shot, what kind of connection?
20:01<ycr>now what to do
20:02<Gerowen>mzhang: Not sure, mine shows different ata numbers every time it boots.
20:02<weedeater64>ycr:
20:02<Nines>I'm connected to my network but I can't get my browser to load webpages
20:02<weedeater64>man -k keyboard
20:02<Nines>It has worked before
20:02<weedeater64>Then man each result
20:02<Nines>But I messed up iptables a while back trying to port forward torrents
20:02<Nines>So I have to do all the iptables -F stuff to get it working
20:03<Nines>Then it'll only load one page before dying
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20:03<Nines>It's not a cached page either
20:03<Nines>It'll load anything but drops after one page
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20:03<Nines>And then I have to go through the whole thing again
20:03<mzhang>Gerowen thanks.
20:04<ycr>i dont get it i got may resustls like xkbbell (3)
20:04<gardo>Nines, do you have to flush the tables all the time?
20:04<ycr>but many
20:04<Nines>gardo, Yup.. Not sure why
20:04<Nines>There shouldn't be any rules in there am I right?
20:05<weedeater64>ycr: now do , man xkbbell
20:05<Nines>Pretty new to this so I don't know what to look for
20:05<gardo>maybe some process is reloading the rules
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20:05<weedeater64>look for ones that talk about the keyboard, or keybindings
20:05<Nines>There's virtually nothing on here.. It's more or less a fresh install
20:05<Nines>Save for a few dev tools
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20:06<gardo>hum, I don't really know about Debian's auto-magical conf tools as I set the rules myself, but it is worth a try
20:06<gardo>check also dmesg
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20:07<gardo>kill any "network managers" around first and try again
20:07<weedeater64>ycr: dumpkeys |less
20:07<weedeater64>is interesting
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20:08<weedeater64>ycr: xev may be of use also.
20:08<Nines>gardo, what should I be looking for in dmesg?
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20:08<Planet8>Thamus, did'nt work. I have removed the tv card and I have tried to disable every single item in BIOS that possibly could be disabled and I still get "No irq handler for vector (irq -1)"
20:09<gardo>weird messages at the end if any, just in case; but I would bet there is a process reloading the tables
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20:10<Nines>This is so odd.. If I wait about 5 mins in between attempts it'll load a page (or part of it) before getting stuck loading some ad from a different server
20:11<ycr>im getting just descriptions but not how to fix my problem
20:11<gardo>but the rules are reloaded in that moment?
20:12<jk_yang>i have a server running debian 6 and when it reboots i have it set to auto start everything.. but i am having one issue its hamgs at keyring password so i cant use vnc.. how can i bypass that because i am not colse to my server all the time and need to be able to control it after a power fail say if one occures
20:12<Planet8>How can I atleats supress those damned kernel messages going to the console?
20:12<jk_yang>anyone?
20:13<gardo>Planet8, dmesg -n
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20:13<Nines>At the end of dmesg I get a load of "deauthenticated from MA:CA:DD:RE:SS:.. (Reason: 2)"
20:14<gardo>Nines, then you have something wrong with your wireless connection's config
20:14<MrFrood>jk_yang: if you can live with the security implications a blank password for the keyring should sort your issue
20:14<Nines>What is reason 2?
20:14<weedeater64>ycr: apropos configure keyboard
20:14<gardo>try to kill network managers, firewall managers, etc. and configure the network and iptables manually again
20:15<ycr>weedeater64 sorry but i dont understan how to fix the problem
20:15<jk_yang>MrFrood, thats odd.. i have a older server that i just retired running debian 5 and it has never asked and i have a password set
20:15<Nines>gardo, how can I kill network managers or firewall managers? Where am I looking?
20:15<gardo>Nines, seems that wrong credentials
20:15<weedeater64>I don't know myself, only what I'd look for if I had same problem.
20:15<Nines>The credentials are correct, though... Else why would I be connected briefly?
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20:16<gardo>Nines, I don't know the names of all network/firewall managers; e.g., if you are using
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20:16<gardo>gnome, I think the name is "Network Manager"
20:16<gardo>or something like that
20:16<gardo>I usually disable all those managers after a fresh install
20:16<gardo>because in the end they tend to freak me out :P
20:16<Nines>lol
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20:16<Nines>How do I disable it?
20:17<gardo>hum, it should be installed as a service
20:17<gardo>look in /etc/init.d/
20:17<ycr>ok i will continue reading i think is not a common problem there is not an answer en google or i cant find the proper one yet
20:17<gardo>$ /usr/sbin/service --status-all
20:17<gardo>that would help as well
20:18<gardo>look for 'net', 'networking', stuff like that
20:18<Nines>aye, network-manager is in there
20:18<weedeater64>ycr: man dpkg-reconfigure
20:18<Nines>With a [+]
20:18<gardo>networking is the standard set of networking scripts of Debian I think (I disable that also)
20:18<gardo>yeah, so try to disable it
20:18<gardo>however
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20:18<gardo>are you sure you can configure your connection again manually?
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20:18<Nines>Probably not
20:19<gardo>hum
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20:19<Nines>I have no idea what I'm doing
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20:19<gardo>if you don't know how to set up a network connection, you should not try to configure iptable's rules ;)
20:19<Nines>._.
20:19<gardo>hum
20:19<gardo>ok, if you try to disable the network-manager
20:19<gardo>do it with
20:20<gardo>/etc/init.d/network-manager stop
20:20<gardo>or whatever
20:20<gardo>if you lose the connection and can't get it back again
20:20<gardo>start it again
20:20<gardo>/etc/init.d/network-manager start
20:20<gardo>or reboot
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20:20<Nines>It says NetworkManager already stopped
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20:21<gardo>then the problem is not network-manager
20:22<ycr>gnome-keybinding-properties will work? but u dont know how to configure one why one
20:22<gardo>look for other programs that could be reloading iptable's rules or messing with your wireless connection
20:23<Nines>Wait I was typing that in Bash, when I typed it in a root shell it says it's stopped it
20:23<gardo>lol
20:23<ycr>is a question because the options of CTRL are not there
20:23<Nines>>.<
20:23<gardo>ok, good to know : )
20:23<gardo>try to flush the rules now
20:23<gardo>and see if they magically reappear as you said
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20:24<Nines>I'll have to restart the network manager to reconnect, though
20:24<Nines>Since I don't know how to do it manually
20:25<gardo>ok, flush the rules
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20:25<gardo>start network manager
20:25<gardo>if new rules appear from no-where
20:25<gardo>then you will know network-manager is setting them up
20:25<gardo>and you will have to look why it is doing so
20:25<gardo>(sadly I got no experience with network-manager; nor that I want either :)
20:26<weedeater64>wordnet vs dict, discuss.
20:27<gardo>but I'd bet that if it is setting up the rules is because something you did before, as AFAIK Debian/network-manager do not set rules by default
20:27<Nines>Hmm
20:28<gardo>of course, all this stuff only applies if the problem is that rules are magically appearing after flushing them as you said :)
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20:28<gardo>anyway, I g2g, hope you solve it soon
20:28<gardo>bye!
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20:33<ycr>how to restore shortcuts of the keyboard?
20:35<weedeater64>ycr: You said you installed something, then encoutered the problem ?
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20:37<ycr>i installed amarok then i installed the scripts for the multimedia keyboard, now i delete amarok but the problem is not fixed
20:38<weedeater64>And the scripts ?
20:38<weedeater64>Did you delete them ?
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20:39<weedeater64>And how did you un install amarok ?
20:39<weedeater64>apt-get purge amarok
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20:40<weedeater64>look for stuff left behind.
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20:42<ycr>from synaptic
20:43<weedeater64>ycr: 'complete removal' ?
20:43<Osiris_X>are hard links ever used on a debian system?
20:43<weedeater64>ycr: And what about the scripts ?
20:44<ycr>yes , the scripts just direct from amarok tools
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20:45<ycr>the name was gnome-scripts2
20:46<weedeater64>~$ locate gnome-scripts2
20:46<weedeater64>~# apt-get purge gnome-scripts2
20:47<weedeater64>Look around in your /home directory for remnants.
20:48<weedeater64>There should be a log in /var/log of exactly what you've installed.
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20:49<ycr>ok is complete deleted
20:50<weedeater64>You checked /home directory for remnants too ?
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20:51<weedeater64>apt will not remove user .configs
20:51<weedeater64>err, synaptic
20:51<ycr>yes i checked at home
20:52<minimalseeker>Hi, is there any way to save all the packages that I installed from online on my disk/usb to help me install them again offline (if I end up reinstalling this system)?
20:52<Osiris_X>does everyone have a cdrom symlink in /?
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20:53<weedeater64>minimalseeker: somewhere in /var there are compressed packages.
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20:53<minimalseeker>Hmmm... /var has several folders...
20:54<weedeater64>/var/cache/apt/archives
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20:54<demooriaan_>http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Gnome+Multimedia+Keys+2?content=103448
20:54<demooriaan_>was it that?
20:55<minimalseeker>Found it! WHOA. So many. I wouldn't have guessed!!
20:55<minimalseeker>thank you
20:55<weedeater64>np
20:55<demooriaan_>that one was recommended in a ubuntu wiki...
20:55*weedeater64 am smart now
20:57<ycr>in /var/cache/apt/archives still the .deb packages but i cant delete them
20:57<ycr>are blocked
20:58<minimalseeker>So basically if I save all of this on a usb, mount the usb as a cdrom or something, point the sources.list to this usb location, I could potentially install all of my applications without ever having to connect online and download all of it over again?
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20:58<minimalseeker>ycr - try navigating to the folder as root?
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20:59<minimalseeker>sudo <whatever file browser you are using> (mine is xfe, so I do sudo xfe)
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21:01<ycr>as root that packages dont appear
21:01<ycr>just few
21:01<babilen>ycr: or just run "aptitude clean" or "aptitude autoclean" (yes, read the manpage)
21:01<ycr>ok
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21:01<Osiris_X>what are the correct cdrom/dvd symlinks in debian?
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21:01<minimalseeker>hola babilen
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21:02<ycr>ok done
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21:04<ycr>but still not fixed the problem
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21:07<minimalseeker>my usb drives are not mounting... can someone please help out?
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21:11<stderr_dk>minimalseeker: Do you know their device names?
21:11<minimalseeker>I think its /dev/sdb
21:12<stderr_dk>Try mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt as root
21:12<minimalseeker>they used to automount back in the day...
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21:13<stderr_dk>Or mount /dev/sdb /mnt if it doesn't have a partition table.
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21:16<minimalseeker>it does have a sdb1 and /mnt has appeared now. But usually it shows up as lexar, it doesn't really say anything now. And under /mnt, there is nothing (the USB is empty) I will try putting something in and mount it again..
21:16<minimalseeker>how do I unmount?
21:16<stderr_dk>umount /mnt
21:17<minimalseeker>thanks
21:17<minimalseeker>sudo: unmount: command not found
21:17<stderr_dk>I didn't say unmount. :-)
21:18<minimalseeker>AHA!
21:18<ycr>alguien sabe restaurar los atjos del teclado ?
21:18<minimalseeker>it fascinating how your brain fills in familiar words
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21:22<minimalseeker>hmm... so I mounted again and all the files within the usb appear directly in /mnt.
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21:22<minimalseeker>I used to have a near "Lexar" (that's the name of the usb) driver earlier
21:22<minimalseeker>*neat
21:23<minimalseeker>now, it doesn't show anything plus it doesn't automount/
21:23<minimalseeker>How can I make it automount?
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21:23<stderr_dk>I don't usually use automounting, so I wouldn't know, but I think it mounts stuff under /media instead. Like /media/Lexar.
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21:24<minimalseeker>why don't you automount?
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21:25<minimalseeker>(and it doesn't show under media... automatically now)
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21:26<minimalseeker>Earlier, it just used to appear as a nice drive on my desktop once I plugged it in (in ubuntu and linux mint)
21:26<stderr_dk>I'm doing most of my file movings in the terminal, so two extra commands to mount and unmount doesn't take that long.
21:26<minimalseeker>ah, you are one of the people I want to become. :)
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21:26<stderr_dk>Plus I know when it's safe to remove the disk.
21:26<minimalseeker>I am too windows oriented still..
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21:28<minimalseeker>while we are on the subject of mounting, why on earth is my /media showing a cdrom (with an arrow, that I assume is a shortcut), a cdrom0 and a cdrom1 - all empty
21:29<stderr_dk>cdrom0 and cdrom1 are your two CD (or DVD) drives. Both are directories.
21:29<minimalseeker>But I have only one CD/DVD drive
21:29<stderr_dk>cdrom is a link to (probably) cdrom0.
21:29<stderr_dk>Oh... Hmm...
21:30<stderr_dk>Good question then.
21:30<stderr_dk>Did you use to have two?
21:31<minimalseeker>well, during debian minimal install, when it started searching for cdroms and couldnt find it I mounted the usb (from which I was installing debian minimal) as a cdrom. Would that have made a difference?
21:31<stderr_dk>Maybe.
21:31<stderr_dk>Can you do a grep cdrom /etc/fstab ?
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21:32<weedeater64>stderr_dk: about that, 'when it's safe', I've grown quite accustomed to automounting myself, recent upgrade from lenny to squeeze I'm running openbox now, usbmount and such seem less than satisfactory. Q. how important is it to umount an usb flashstick ?
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21:33<minimalseeker>stderr_dk, output of that is at paste.debian.net/116331
21:33<minimalseeker>any clues?
21:33<minimalseeker>looks like there is an /dev/sdb
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21:34<minimalseeker>but the file I put in that usb I mounted - that isn't there under cdrom0
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21:34<stderr_dk>weedeater64: I would always do it. Both to be sure all the data has been written to the stick ("sync" could also be used for that) and to make sure nothing suddenly decides to write something to the stick while you're unplugging it.
21:35<stderr_dk>minimalseeker: The sdb one was probably where the USB "CD" was located during the install.
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21:36<stderr_dk>I would remove the line with /dev/sdb from /etc/fstab and change the other to read /media/cdrom0.
21:36<stderr_dk>Then I would remove the /media/cdrom1 dir as it wouldn't be used anymore.
21:36<minimalseeker>weedeater64, I am running openbox as well. but I have not yet learnt to put any applications on the right click menu or even make it so that settings are permanent (for example I keep deleting the numerous desktops but they keep appearing on every new boot) do you have a favourite configuration/theme file for openbox that you are using currently?
21:37<weedeater64>I need to figure out a way to learn the habit, it's easy to forget there is a stick plugged in.
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21:38<minimalseeker>ah - can I edit /etc/fstab with emacs?
21:38<minimalseeker>as root?
21:38<weedeater64>minimalseeker: I'm not sure, but I think , change .xinit to exec /usr/bin/openbox-session will fix you up
21:38<stderr_dk>minimalseeker: Yes.
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22:11<MrFrood>minimalseeker: you still around?
22:12<minimalseeker>Yes!
22:13<minimalseeker>thanks to stderr_dk I got rid of the cdrom1 entry
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22:14<MrFrood>to add stuff automatically to OB's menu use the debian menu thingy
22:14<minimalseeker>what is that??
22:14*minimalseeker is all ears
22:14<MrFrood>!menu
22:14<dpkg>methinks menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your window manager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (i.e. install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers). To add new menu entries, read /etc/menu/README. See also <menu-methods>.
22:15<minimalseeker>so apt-get install menu?
22:15<MrFrood>also how do you start X?
22:15<minimalseeker>I just told weedeater64, startx
22:16<minimalseeker>what would you suggest?
22:16<MrFrood>yes - apt-get install menu
22:16<minimalseeker>doing it as we speak..
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22:21<MrFrood>minimalseeker: http://pastebin.com/AZaL943B my .xinitrc for openbox
22:21<MrFrood>it might help you
22:21<Osiris_X>while making a copy of /usr - I've notice quite a few dangling symlinks - e.g a symlink to libxxxxx.so when the filename is libxxxxx.so.0 - should I be correcting these?
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22:22<minimalseeker>Why, thank you!!!!!!!
22:23<minimalseeker>(All those exclamation marks of sheer delight!)
22:23<MrFrood>:D
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22:26<weedeater64>MrFrood: what's that ck-launch-session ?
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22:27<MrFrood>weedeater64: console-kit daemon - it for local per user settingg
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22:28<weedeater64>contrib ?
22:29<weedeater64>Oh, doh ..nevermind, that's part of consolekit, right ?
22:29<MrFrood>not sure which package it is in :-/
22:29<sney>apt-file search
22:29<MrFrood>probably :)
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22:30<MrFrood>sney: I know that - but I'm rolling a fag and two hands are needed to open another tab in screen to run the command :-|
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22:30<sney>language
22:30<weedeater64>Sweet, never heard of apt-file before.
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22:31<MrFrood>sney - :P
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22:35*MrFrood has a Nicotine fix :)
22:35<sney>nic fit nic fit
22:35<weedeater64>Do you travel much MrFrood ?
22:36<MrFrood>not if I can help it -but I have been many places
22:37<MrFrood>these days mainly east africa/the gulf and spain when I leave the UK
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22:39<sebas891>hi folks,
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22:40<Abbott>Hi guys
22:40<Abbott>is anyone there?
22:40<sebas891>I'm having an hard time to install squeeze with a raid1 setup. :(
22:40<MrFrood>yes
22:41<sebas891>after the grub2 menu I get "Loading Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 ...Loading initial ramdisk ... "
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22:41<Abbott>hey i have a relatively simple question haha
22:41<Abbott>i am trying to edit another partition on my compuer
22:41<Abbott>i am booted into a knoppix live cd right now
22:41<Abbott>the drive is mounted, but its only read-only
22:41<sebas891>then its stays there... and hangs.
22:41<Abbott>is there some way i can mount it as read/write?
22:41<MrFrood>!raid
22:41<dpkg>from memory, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels , <raid-resizing>
22:42<sebas891>thank mrfrood for the pointer,
22:42<zhuyajieabc>hello everyone
22:43<MrFrood>Abbott: man mount
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22:43<sebas891>Abbott: try something like mount -n -o remount,rw /the-partition-here
22:43<weedeater64>apt-file list consolekit |grep session
22:43<weedeater64>consolekit: /usr/bin/ck-launch-session
22:43<weedeater64>nice
22:45<sebas891>I remove the quiet option to grub2 parameter... no luck, I don't get more output from the kernel...
22:45<Abbott>so in terminal id type
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22:45<Abbott>mount -n -o remount,rw /media/sda3
22:46<sebas891>could it be because I'm trying with / in ext4 ...
22:46<Abbott>does that look right?
22:47<sebas891>yes.
22:47<tash>any tibia player? I can't run it on my 64bits system, I already installed ia32-libs package. but I get this error: http://pastebin.com/A4pAeAuQ
22:47<Abbott>it says only root can do that
22:47<Abbott>so i type su
22:47<Abbott>right
22:47<Abbott>or is that just for my phone haha
22:47<MrFrood>su -c 'command'
22:48<Abbott>what does the -c do?
22:48<Abbott>i just typed su
22:48<MrFrood>(with the quotes)
22:49<MrFrood>just runs the command and returns you back to your normaluser shell
22:49<Abbott>oh i gotcha
22:49<Abbott>ok but its saying it cant find /media/sd3
22:49<Abbott>but when i use the knoppix finder/explorer equivalent
22:49<Abbott>and click on my partition (named MAC)
22:50<Abbott>the path gives me that
22:50<Abbott>am i naming it incorrectly in using /media/sd3
22:50<MrFrood>su by it self is good when you have seeral coomands to run as root but for a single command su -c 'command' is better
22:50<MrFrood>*seeral/several
22:51<weedeater64> su -c less /var/log/kern.log
22:51<weedeater64>Unknown id: /var/log/kern.log
22:52<MrFrood>weedeater64: with quotes
22:52<weedeater64>ah
22:52<Abbott>is it bad to just hang out in su?
22:53<MrFrood>su -c less not need quotes but su -c 'less /var/log/kern.log' does
22:53<Abbott>and why cant it find my partition haha
22:57<weedeater64>Abbott: did you say something about ext3/4 ? I don't think you can read ext4 from ext3
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22:58<Abbott>im on a live cd
22:58<Abbott>and the partition i want to mount rw is ext3
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23:01<AndyJ>Hi ppl, can anyone point me towards an error log for gnome? I'm trying to add an applet to the panel, but it's borking with this error: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:InternodeUsageMeterApplet"
23:02<Abbott>im freezing up brb
23:02<AndyJ>I'm hoping that a log may contain more info that will help me track down the problem...
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23:03<zhuyajieabc>help
23:03<weedeater64>Aren't all logs in /var/log ?
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23:04*zhuyajieabc jump
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23:06<Abbott>is there some command i can put in to check the names of my partitions? i think i am putting in the path wrong while trying to mount as rs
23:06<Abbott>rw
23:06<weedeater64>ls /dev
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23:07<BlueG>I don't see the gspca webcam driver in squeeze, has it changed names or something?
23:07<retrospectacus>fdisk -l
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23:09<Abbott>oooookkkkkk
23:09<Abbott>the finder/explorer was saying /media/sda3
23:10<Abbott>but fdisk says its /dev/sda3
23:10<Abbott>i think someone sadi that earlier but i didnt pick up on it haha
23:10<Abbott>sorry and thanks c: Ill try again now
23:10<AndyJ>weedeater64: I've looked through /var/log and haven't found anything relating to gnome panel...
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23:11<weedeater64>AndyJ: I wouldn't know where else to look.
23:11<arand_>AndyJ: /media/whatever is a mount point, /dev/sdXY is a device name ...
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23:12<AndyJ>I think that one is for Abbott /media/whatever is a mount point, /dev/sdXY is a device name ...
23:12<arand_>Oh, ah, yes :)
23:12<AndyJ>:)
23:13*minimalseeker is thrilled with the new Debian right click menu on openbox.....
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23:13<Abbott>jesus christ
23:13<Abbott>it is still ro
23:13<Abbott>i did
23:13<Abbott>su
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23:14<Abbott>mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/sda3
23:14<Abbott>then i didnt get any errors
23:14<Abbott>and its still ro
23:14<minimalseeker>I don't have an application that can find files in my system - any recommendations?
23:15<MrFrood>minimalseeker: you talking abot a file manager?
23:15<MrFrood>*about
23:15<weedeater64>MrFrood: locate
23:15<weedeater64>oops, meant minimalseeker locate
23:16*MrFrood giggles
23:16<minimalseeker>in command line?
23:16<MrFrood>minimalseeker: locate and find work in the command line
23:16<weedeater64>ya, first as root run # updatedb
23:17<weedeater64>then locate any_damn_file
23:17<MrFrood>but you nead to regulary buildrebuild a dbase for locate (see the man page)
23:17<minimalseeker>sudo updatedb sudo: updatedb: command not founf
23:17<minimalseeker>sudo updatedb sudo: updatedb: command not found
23:18<weedeater64>I think sudu id for buntites.
23:18<weedeater64>hehe
23:18<MrFrood>for more advanced stuff there is mc (midnight-commander) and if one muts GUI try xfe
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23:19<MrFrood>-muts/must
23:19<weedeater64>mc, best file manager ever.
23:19<MrFrood>I just have have mc on my system
23:19<MrFrood>plus the command line tools
23:19<Abbott>wait when i run above command, will that only allow read/write within terminal?
23:20<minimalseeker>you mean, with mc there is no need for something like xfe?
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23:20<MrFrood>minimalseeker: depends upon the user
23:21<minimalseeker>how so?
23:21<weedeater64> <keybind key="C-Menu">
23:21<weedeater64> <action name="ShowMenu">
23:21<weedeater64> <menu>root-menu</menu>
23:21<weedeater64> </action>
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23:21<weedeater64>sorry, meant to /msg
23:21<MrFrood>To be honest I the install up and running for 2 weeks before I realised I did not have a file manager installed at which point I installed mc
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23:24<MrFrood>minimalseeker: some people are not comftable with a TUI such as that used by mc (mainly because it has a higher learning curve that point & click GUI's)
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23:26<minimalseeker>what's the T in TUI
23:26<MrFrood>Text
23:27<minimalseeker>haha
23:27<Abbott>why in gods name can't i mount this drive as rw
23:28<MrFrood>because you are using knoppix..? :P
23:28<minimalseeker>I think I will fall in that category. I have been spoilt by having windows search everything for me and then double click on stuff in the search results
23:29<MrFrood>try both mc & xfe - once you have manged to ween yourself off xfe you can uninstall/purge it ;)
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23:30<Abbott>is knoppix a bad distro haha
23:30<Abbott>i just downloaded the first linux live cd that came up in google :P
23:30<sney>knoppix is a rescue disk
23:31<Abbott>well im generally rescuing right now
23:31<sney>but you should be able to mount a filesystem rw, maybe it needs a fsck
23:31<Abbott>hackintosh wont boot cause my com.apple.Boot.plist is written up wrong
23:31<MrFrood>I prefrer GRML for rescue situations
23:31<Abbott>so i just need to delete the file but its ro
23:31<sney>grml is great, but Abbott you should really go to irc.freenode.net and ask in #knoppix, because #debian does not support Knoppix.
23:32<Abbott>im very sorry haha
23:32<Abbott>i didnt realize i was in the wrong channel O.o
23:32<Abbott>thanks for the help though guys
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23:32<sney>not his fault the Knoppix devs didn't see fit to change the defaults
23:32<Tiff>Who would have thought a channel called #debian wouldn't be a good place to discuss Knoppix.
23:33<sney>they don't look at that, they just fire up xchat and push connect without looking
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23:33<Tiff>That's a OSI Layer 8 issue. :P
23:33<sney>because if the knoppix (and ubuntu, and backtrack, etc etc) developers had any sense, they'd make the default channel their own distro's
23:34<sney>it is layer 8, indeed, but more than one party
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23:36<Planet8>How do I stop the kernel from posting messages directly into console when I am using it?
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23:38<Tiff>Planet8: man syslog.conf
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23:40<Planet8>I have no syslog.conf
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23:53<weedeater64>No manual entry for syslog.conf
23:54<drgr33n>Hey guys. Do any of you know of a guide on how to turn my system into a live os ?
23:54<drgr33n>I did ask in debian-live but its pratty dead there lol
23:54<drgr33n>like what remastersys does but manually
23:55<weedeater64>plantigrade: man logger
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23:56<weedeater64>man rsyslog.conf
23:56<nevyn>is there a page somewhere with a list of the 'official' debian irc policy?
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23:57<weedeater64>nevyn: /msg dpkg irc
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23:59<BlueG>I can't seem to get either pidgin or empathy to do XMPP video with a googletalk user
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