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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-05-08

---Logopened Sun May 08 00:00:01 2011
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00:00<ever_>alguien habla espa;ol???, que pueda ayudarme con un detalle... gracias
00:00*MrFrood waves @ nevyn :P
00:00<BlueG>pidgin didn't really give any useful information, and empathy gave the somewhat cryptic error "could not link source"
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00:02<ever_>alguien habla espa;ol???, que pueda ayudarme con un detalle... gracias
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00:14<kenyon>!tell ever_ about es
00:14<BlueG>What might cause video to fail on pidgin and empathy? How can I trouble shoot this?
00:15<ever_>alguien habla espa;ol???, que pueda ayudarme con un detalle... gracias
00:15<MrFrood>!es
00:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
00:15<ever_>thx
00:15<ever_>bye
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00:42<bushido>Hola
00:42<carlos>Hola
00:43<bushido>Oye carlos tu usas Debian ?
00:43<carlos>Estoy en los comienzos
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00:43<bushido>es facil ?
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00:44<carlos>Como todo, al comienzo no, pero tiene cosas muy interesantes. ..
00:44<bushido>como cuales ?
00:44<carlos>Usas Linux habitualmente???
00:44<bushido>pues
00:44<bushido>si
00:44<bushido>masomenos
00:44<bushido>es que linux no sirve para juegos
00:44<bushido>entonces
00:44<carlos>Que distro??
00:44<bushido>no casi lo uso
00:44<bushido>Ubuntu 11.04
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00:45<carlos>Debian es muy linuxero
00:45<carlos>para sysadines por ej
00:45<bushido>yo lo insatel un dia
00:45<Hydroxide>bushido, carlos: hablar ingles aquí, y hablar aquí solo para recebir o dar de ayuda con utilisar Debian
00:45<carlos>para trabajar
00:45<bushido>y a los media hora me volvio loco
00:46<carlos>el amigo si tiene dudas hay que ayudarlo para que entre en Debian
00:47<carlos>y Debian no es solo para los que hablan ingles
00:47<carlos>y no me interesa aprender ingles
00:47<Hydroxide>carlos: hay otros canales para la ayuda con Debian en español
00:47<Hydroxide>!es
00:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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00:48<bushido>vamos a ya carlos
00:49<Thamus>Sí estoy de acuerdo. Apoyo en español se encuentra otro lugar
00:49<carlos>Vas a hacer muchos adeptos echando gente. Pues nos iremos con los Latinos entonces, chauuuuuu
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00:50<Thamus>Por favor no lo tomes personal. Sólo entiendo que puede ser mejor servido en el área de español como se ha señalado anteriormente.
00:50<Thamus>Ok
00:51<Thamus>Back to english
00:51<Hydroxide>Thamus: I did better than I expected in spanish without Google Translate... going to a few debconfs in spanish-speaking countries helps :-)
00:51<Thamus>You read my mind Hydroxide
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00:52<Thamus>He could of done the same thing and I would of helped him
00:52<Thamus>He was lazy
00:53<bushido>-.-"
00:54<bushido>joder no incuentro a carlos
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01:19<huskythinos>anybody willing to help?
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01:23<huskythinos>i need to create a live cd from my existing modified distribution please private msg if you can help
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01:32<fowarek>Hi. I have an issue with a fresh install of Debian. I had just installed debian on my old system, and I wanted to reinstall to achieve desired settings. But after the reinstall, when I turn the system on, there is no display at all, but it seems as if Debian booted, and the system beeps as if it is asking me to logon. However when i CTRL+ALT+F1, the command line doesnt show up. I'm at a loss...
01:32<fowarek>...of what to do, because it was working before the new install.
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01:35<fowarek>Even the initial Dell splash screen isnt visible, and there is no way for me to see if im getting to the boot options to boot from cd.
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01:49<buhman>my nm-applet says "device not managed" for eth0 but works for wlan0; how can I make it managable again?
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01:57<gsimmons>buhman: Amend /etc/apt/sources.list ; /msg dpkg nm squeeze
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01:59<Gerowen>What mail server program does Debian use by default, if you tick the checkbox for "Mail Server" during install?
01:59<Thamus>fowarek are you still there?
01:59<buhman>gsimmons: I'm on wheezy
02:00<buhman>gsimmons: and I started with squeeze
02:00<gsimmons>buhman: Still applicable.
02:00<buhman>gsimmons: problems started occuring after my dist-upgrade when network-manager ended up getting unexpectedly removed
02:01<Thamus>fowarek are you still there?
02:01<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Gerowen -about server tasks
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02:02<buhman>gsimmons: ahh, thank you
02:02<buhman>gsimmons: sorry for doubting you didn't know what I was talking about; you obviously knew exactly what was going on; thanks
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02:06<bug1>is there a workaround for the md5sum mismatch for those who are too impatient ?
02:07<devil_>hm, the one from the other day (mentioned in the topic) was fixed. is there a new one?
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02:08<bug1>i just installed debian stable trying upgrade to testing, i havent touched debian for a few years
02:09<bug1>im getting md5sum mismatch on two mirrors
02:09<devil_>i am on unstable, so i would not notice, someone else needs to confirm
02:10<bug1>maybe i will just upgrade to unstable if its more stable than testing ;)
02:10<devil_>heh
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02:11<bug1>ftp.debian.org, ftp.au.debian.org ftp.us.debian.org all give Hash sum mismatch for me
02:14<karthik>bug1, have you tried using the aptitude ?
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02:15<bug1>karthik, yes
02:16<bug1>i can download the Packages file from ftp.monash.edu.au which is listed as a mirror, but cant get packages from there, (404 Not Found)
02:16<bug1>i will go to unstable...
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02:18<bug1>hmm, im getting same problem with unstable, i guess my system is screwed, not the archives
02:18<devil_>a hash sum mismatch is not agood reason to change to unstable
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02:19<bug1>i have used unstable previously, 5 years ago probably...
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02:20<devil>its better usable now.
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02:21<devil>still gets rough though
02:22<bug1>well i kept my old ubuntu partition, so i can boot back to it
02:22<devil>btw.: support for testing/unstable is in new chan #debian-next now
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02:22<bug1>ok
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02:50<chealer>!tell bug1 about bat
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02:55<bug1>devil what architecture are you on ?
02:56<devil>64-bit
02:56<bug1>amd ?
02:56<devil>well, 32 as well
02:56<devil>yes
02:56<devil>i run unstable on all boxes
02:56<bug1>i mean from the packaging point of view
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02:57<bug1>do you use main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2
02:57<bluewater>i am still getting Hash sum mismatch, its usually the server I use still syncing up, clears sometimes after a few mins , and sometimes an hour later
02:57<bluewater>greetings devil
02:58<bug1>i just manually downloaded Packages.gz, Packages.bz2 from amd64 from debian.org for unstable and stable and it doesnt match the release file, stable doe
02:58<bug1>(the md5sum doesnt)
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02:59<devil>bluewater: sounds like an AUS prob then
02:59<bluewater>my ISP provides a freezone for debian , its a leaf server
03:00<devil>bluewater: but the prob was fixed like ~ 36 h ago
03:01<bluewater>hmm not tried last 24 hours
03:02<bluewater>devil: update clean
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03:10<pgurumur>Hello all, I recently got a ARM netbook with ARM9 processor, 64MB memory 4GB flash drive and would like to install debian on it.
03:11<pgurumur>Is it possible?
03:11<pgurumur>Does debian support ARM9?
03:12<cahoot> try in #debian-arm?
03:13<pgurumur>did not know that channel existed, will try that. thanks
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03:17<pgurumur>yeah nobody seems to respond in that channel.
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03:19<ermibr>oi
03:19<ermibr>hi
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04:26<nebuhada>!ping
04:26<dpkg>Sorry nebuhada, you're not online.
04:27<gungfuwayne>i want to learn how to convert my CD music to music stored on my hard drive
04:27<nebuhada>easy
04:28<nebuhada>use abcde and no worries at all
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04:29<MrFrood>gungfuwayne: how much of an audiophile are you?
04:29<nebuhada>gungfuwayne, you can find abcde in repo
04:29<costas>hello all
04:29<gungfuwayne>i am not a huge audiophile
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04:30<nebuhada>costas, hi )
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04:30<nebuhada>gungfuwayne: do you prefer lossy or lossless format?
04:30<Gerowen>If I were to want to embed videos in my family web page/blog with the html5 video tag, which codec would be better, webm or ogv?
04:31<MrFrood>gungfuwayne: morituri is slow and not user freindly but it is audophile
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04:31<costas>nebuhada, I'm an audiophile and music producer...
04:32<gungfuwayne>i guess i do not know the difference to be honest
04:32<nebuhada>costas: wow! please, continue )
04:32<gungfuwayne>i mean....i understand why there is loss converting between analog and digital then back to analog again
04:33<costas>flac, for backups of my own music, or a nice 256kbit oggvorbis (lossy but dynamic bass frequencies are kept nicely)
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04:33<costas>or simple mp3 for samples of my works... check www.costasg.co.nr for a free ride...
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04:34<costas>now waiting for a new mobo to continue recording 3 new albums in my linux amd64 home studio...
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04:35<nebuhada>MrFrood: are you using morituri?
04:35<costas>of course, the 24bit 96khz studio quality is good enough for DVDs for huge speakers etc...
04:36<costas>nowadays you don't need thousands of dollars to make a nice digital recording...
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04:37<costas>analog rules no more... digital S-audio CD quality means you need proper pa system to even hear the difference in studio...
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04:37<gungfuwayne>costas, what do you look for in a motherboard for sound recording?
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04:38<costas>well, my ancient mobo only booted IDE DVD-ROMs and I decided to format first and try l8r a new install -the SATA DVD-ROM never worked so I decided to spend some 60 bucks to get a new mobo for my amd64...
04:39<costas>but the sounbcard is key to that - a delta 1010 matches my needs fine
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04:40<gungfuwayne>to what bus does that connect?
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04:41<costas>I have several recordings on cubase will settle them and remix them when I find some free time in Debian -probably using qtractor or ardour, I like qtractor more for recording from mics or digitally...
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04:42<costas>well, some of that music goes back to 1987 (when i was 15 years old) let me know about what you think (3 new albums are coming this way in 2011)...
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04:43<costas>I managed to co-produce a greek fusion jazz album, that's on sale too if you're an audiophile... catch me on www.facebook/costaszz for links
04:44<costas>but the means only server the music, let me know what you think about it...
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04:44<costas>*serves
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04:45<costas>gungfuwayne, technology has reached a point where my old motherboard should be burried and R.I.P. 8)
04:46<costas>unless I use PXE and install linux via that (which is an option) of course
04:46<costas>any questions?
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04:48<costas>most audio questions can be answered of course via dpkg...
04:48<costas>!beer dpkg
04:48*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for dpkg
04:49<costas>got to run people, keep using Debian... bb now
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04:50<gungfuwayne>yay debian
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04:51<MrFrood>Debian? I thought this was the CP/M channel :-|
04:51<gungfuwayne>what that?
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04:52<MrFrood>!cpm
04:52<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cpm is control program for microprocessors, THE operating system before IBM created the PC. IBM was shopping for an OS for the PC, ended up going with Microsoft, and Bill Gates created DOS. CP/M is not really used on anything but fossils at this point.. Bill Gates didn't create DOS, he bought it from someone and gave it to IBM
04:52<dac>hello. i have a problem here. when i try to boot debian/testing with kernel 2.6.32 or 2.6.38 on my Xeon X3430 with more than one core the system sequfaults at bootup. any suggestions?
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04:53<mateusz>dac, kernel segfaults !?
04:53<mateusz>dac, you mean kernel panic?
04:54<dac>mateusz: yes exactly. it hangs on various modules and fails to bring up interface lo.
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04:54<valdyn>dac: does a different OS work fine?
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04:55<dac>valdyn: kernel 2.6.26 works fine. ;)
04:55<mateusz>dac, did you compile kernel yourself?
04:55<dac>mateusz: no its stuck debian kernel.
04:55<valdyn>dac: the kernel doesnt really literally throw a segfault - what does?
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04:56<Nik05>Can someone help me with changing the boot order? My parents use this computer sometimes and i dont think they want to use Debian :P
04:56<mateusz>dac, I think that you should make a picture with your camera and save it as JPG to show people, the easiest way
04:56<valdyn>dac: the kernel can just "panic"
04:56<eagles0513875>hey gusy im just wondering how big are the debian unstable repos
04:56<Nik05>!tell me about your name
04:56<valdyn>eagles0513875: like this <-----------------------------------> big
04:56<mateusz>Nik05, are You using grub?
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04:57<eagles0513875>valdyn: do you have a size
04:57<eagles0513875>how many gb
04:57<babilen>Nik05: Please don't abuse the bot. Thanks.
04:57<Nik05>euh mateusz grub is starting
04:57<valdyn>!debstats
04:57<dpkg>debstats is managed by sussudio: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian freenode) and http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC)
04:57<eagles0513875>?
04:57<Nik05>im not abusing the bot... i didnt know his name....
04:57<dac>mateusz: ok, i try that/
04:57<valdyn>oops, thats just the channel stats
04:57<valdyn>!debian size
04:57<eagles0513875>lol
04:57<NthDegree[Web]>anyone know if kernel panic causes a reboot?
04:57<mateusz>Nik05, yes then You need to change boting order in grub settings and update grub
04:57<NthDegree[Web]>also, does a kernel panic ever end up in the system log?
04:58<mateusz>Nik05, I am sure its explained on google, have You tried looking there?
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04:58<Nik05>and how do i do that? i read something about /boot/grub/menu.lst but i cant find it
04:58<valdyn>eagles0513875: its on debian.org, you can count dvd images
04:58*eagles0513875 facepalms
04:59<eagles0513875>valdyn: thats not gonna contain the size of the repositories
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04:59<valdyn>eagles0513875: and sid is usually a little bigger than stable, not orders of magnitude
04:59<eagles0513875>i would like an accurate size thats why im asking
04:59<valdyn>eagles0513875: not exactly, no
04:59<dac>mateusz: this is what it says: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2011/01/msg00407.html
04:59<mateusz>Nik05, edit /etc/default/grub GRUB_DEFAULT=0
04:59<babilen>Nik05: Read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'", edit /etc/default/grub accordingly and run "update-grub"
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04:59<valdyn>eagles0513875: what for?
05:00<eagles0513875>doing some distro development of my own
05:00<valdyn>eagles0513875: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size
05:00<eagles0513875>ty
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05:00<Nik05>ooh ok
05:00<eagles0513875>valdyn: is there a guid on how to mirror or at least clone the repos to a local machine
05:01<babilen>Nik05: You are, as mateusz correctly identified, after the GRUB_DEFAULT setting.
05:01<valdyn>eagles0513875: yea, but dont do that
05:01<eagles0513875>?
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05:01<eagles0513875>what should i do then
05:01<valdyn>eagles0513875: unless you really intend to serve a significant amount of clients you should use a caching proxy, not a complete mirror
05:01<Nik05>aah this is GRUB2 not GRUB
05:02<valdyn>eagles0513875: or else you just put strain on debian servers for no ones benefit
05:02<babilen>Nik05: exactly
05:02*eagles0513875 thinks packaging from scratch is in order
05:02<valdyn>eagles0513875: theres a few caching proxies specifically for this in debian, like "approx"
05:02<eagles0513875>what i was hoping to do for what im thinking was to mirror sid repos then repackage the stuff accordingly
05:03<eagles0513875>im on kubuntu running squeeze in a kvm guest
05:03<valdyn>eagles0513875: you already saw that just the sources are 59GB
05:03<eagles0513875>ya
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05:04<Nik05>thx babilen and mateusz :)
05:04<gungfuwayne>how does apt-cache work?
05:04<valdyn>gungfuwayne: read the documentation
05:05<gungfuwayne>s/apt-cache/caching\ proxy/
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05:05<gungfuwayne>yeah i know
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05:05<Nik05>oooh one question babilen how do i run for example gedit with the terminal but not as a child?
05:05<valdyn>gungfuwayne: for the client it looks like a complete mirror, but it really only downloads on demand.
05:05<eagles0513875>Nik05: need to use vim or nano to do that
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05:05<Nik05>i thought it was with & but its not working
05:05<babilen>Nik05: what?
05:05<mateusz>dac, well that looks serious:) I cant help with this... try looking at bugs.debian.org if it has been reported as a bug and what is the story behind it, if its not solved yet try mailing kernel list and then build proper kernel yourself or get debia-live image with kenrel you want.
05:06<babilen>Nik05: Ah, you mean that. What is not working with & ?
05:06<gungfuwayne>one of my coworkers has a caching proxy set up
05:06<Nik05>babilen running programs in terminal but not as a child. So that i can still use terminal
05:06<valdyn>gungfuwayne: and the caching part obviously means that it downloads and *saves* locally, and does not just pass through
05:06<mateusz>dac, I am a guest on this channel :) just entered by mistake
05:06<dac>mateusz: ok, thank you.
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05:07<p0nkdbyt3>uiiy
05:07<gungfuwayne>yeah that sounds much better than a complete mirror
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05:10<Nik05>ok brb
05:10<mateusz>dac, Please mail 610085@bugs.debian.org for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610085 asking if the bug was resolved. If this is your bug.
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05:11<babilen>Nik05: & is indeed what you are after, what is the problem with that? You might have to run "gedit & disown" though, additionally take a look at "man nohup" (better google for that) and programs calles "gnu screen" and "tmux"
05:11<Nik05>ok thanks babilen
05:11<Nik05>im rebooting
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05:11<dac>mateusz: ok. thank you.
05:12<mateusz>dac, maybe attach your JPG or info about system as well.. if its different
05:12<valdyn>dac: your kernel is tainted
05:12<valdyn>dac: that makes that bug report useless
05:13<mateusz>valdyn, maybe You know correct procedure to report this kind of issues
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05:14<valdyn>mateusz: procedure is useless till the bug shows with an untainted kernel
05:15<Nik05>im back and it worked babilen :) i had no time to start Debian... so im in Windows lol
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05:15<valdyn>dac: what is tainting your kernel(s) ?
05:15<Nik05>put the timeout on 1 second
05:15<eagles0513875>valdyn: there is no way i can clone the sources repo :(
05:16<valdyn>eagles0513875: uh?
05:16<babilen>Nik05: In addition you can also start programs (you don't want attached to any shell) with program starters, the simplest is alt-f2, better ones comprise gnome-do or (my favourite) dmenu (you probably rave about gnome-do though)
05:16<dac>valdyn: i dont know.
05:16<valdyn>eagles0513875: i told you, use a caching proxy, that is just like a clone
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05:16<valdyn>dac: probably vbox stuff
05:16<babilen>Nik05: Not a very bright idea with the timeout :)
05:16<mateusz>dac, Oh! you did not recompile vbox for new kernel right?
05:17<Nik05>why not? if im fast enough i can change it to debian :P
05:17<dac>mateusz: theres no hand made module used by this kernel.
05:17<valdyn>dac: tainted means that you have binary blobs added to your kernel that make debugging hard enough for anyone who could help you to refuse
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05:18<dac>valdyn: maybe my ati graphics card.
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05:18<mateusz>dac, ok but are You using vbox or modules compiled for older kernel ?
05:18<valdyn>dac: i think its vbox stuff
05:18<valdyn>dac: the ati stuff is in stock linux
05:19<Nik05>ok babilen im going to reboot and then im going to used stow :) Have read about it yesterday
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05:19<dac>valdyn, mateusz: how can i remove these?
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05:19<dac>valdyn, mateusz: i think i only have qemu installed.
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05:19<valdyn>dac: on the bright side you have no binary blobs, your tainted flag indicates just that this is non-stock stuff, not binary blobs
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05:20<valdyn>dac: ok, nevermind that, your first BUG happens before the kernel gets tainted
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05:21<mateusz>dac, valdyn knows more.. I am going off.. bye
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05:21<dac>valdyn: with one cpu core the systems boots.
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05:22<dac>valdyn: but with four cores, it hangs.
05:23<gungfuwayne>can you tell the kernel how many cores to use from the command line?
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05:24<dac>gungfuwayne: was this for me?
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05:26<gungfuwayne>dac, sure
05:26<dac>gungfuwayne: i change it by BIOS settings to one core.
05:26<gungfuwayne>i see
05:26<gungfuwayne>actually i do not
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05:31<ruge>can someone help me out? :D How do i install "ati-driver-installer-11-4-x86.x86_64.run" ?
05:31<Nik05>what ati card do you have?
05:31<ruge>ATi HD6850
05:31<Nik05>ask babilen he helped me with it yesterday
05:32<ruge>babilen: are you around?
05:32<ruge>cool thx
05:32<babilen>Nik05: I help when I help, if not, please don't hilight me ... That being said: What is the problem ruge?
05:33<ruge>babilen: sorry mate. just wanted to know if you knew how to run the .run file for ATi drivers..
05:33<Nik05>ok
05:33<babilen>ruge: Ah, I see. No, please don't use the driver from the ATI website, as they are packaged for Debian.
05:33<babilen>!tell ruge -about fglrx dkms
05:33<babilen>ruge: Run that command and you should be fine.
05:33<ruge>thanks mate
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05:34<babilen>ruge: That are actually multiple commands in one. You can also run them one by one ... (i.e. the aptitude -r install, the mkdir and echo command)
05:35<ruge>ty :)
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05:37<ruge>hmm.. Try: apt-get install <selected package>
05:37<MrFrood>.0
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05:40<babilen>ruge: What?
05:40<ruge>I ran the command and it states "The program 'aptitude' can be found in the following packages:" ......
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05:41<babilen>ruge: Are you mayhaps using ubuntu?
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05:42<babilen>I guess that was the case :)
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05:43<Nik05>lol
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05:44<babilen>!tell Nik05 -about lol
05:45<Nik05>!tell babilen about the dutch word lol
05:45<Nik05>its a dutch word ;)
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05:50<FALCON>Hell
05:52<Nik05>hello
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05:57<FALCON>How old is it?
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06:14<heyitsme>hi
06:14<gungfuwayne>hello heyitsme
06:14<heyitsme>i need help with the linux console screen saver. In Vesa mode it's working but not as black as it is in text mode. Any idea ?
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06:15<heyitsme>i tried several setterm options but it doesn t change anything
06:15<gungfuwayne>what is the program called?
06:16<gungfuwayne>or the package rather
06:16<heyitsme>what ?
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06:21<gungfuwayne>what is the name of the screensaver command you use to start the program?
06:21<gungfuwayne>oh shoot she left
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06:21<gungfuwayne>i guess i don't know enough to try helping people
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06:29<gungfuwayne>i am installing console-setup on my system and it is asking which encoding to use
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06:34<gungfuwayne>bed time
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06:38<olspookishmagus>hello, is this recommended: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610483 (to create a bug report addressing various issues of different context that to create a bug report for each issue or at least group the issues in concept groups)
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06:40<lUUd>why testing and stable main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 sha1/md5 hashes doesn't match to the one in Releases?
06:41<lUUd>apt-get is not happy and tells hash sum mismatch
06:41<Maulkin>Is this in unstable?
06:41<olspookishmagus>lUUd: use temporarily another mirror, reduce the global entropy
06:41<Maulkin>Or which mirror are you looking at?
06:41<lUUd>olspookishmagus: ftp.debian.org
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06:42<lUUd>olspookishmagus: ftp.ee.debian.org is similarly broken. and .fi. seems also
06:42<lUUd>olspookishmagus: which one I should use :)
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06:45<lUUd>hm. I'm good at not reading topics :)
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06:48<aby>Hello,
06:48<aby>I was trying to install Realtek HD audio driver, but when I did ./install according to the README, I get -- ./install: 48: alsaconf: not found -- error, and my sound card vanishes from alsamixergui, and I have to restart the system to get sound back.
06:48<aby>I have installed every package mentioned in http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA.
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06:49<cahoot>aby: you're sure the kernelprovided alsa doesn't support the card?
06:50<aby>when I first installed debian the sound was very low, so I installed the alsa packages
06:50<aby>and it came back to normal
06:51<aby>I had the realtek hd audio driver
06:51<aby>in windows
06:51<aby>so I was trying toinstall thesame here
06:52<aby>After installing the realtek driver usually there is a big difference in sound
06:53<cahoot>as in no sound at all?
06:53<MrFrood>!tell aby about alsactl
06:53<aby>at first ya
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06:54<aby>hmm
06:54<MrFrood>aby: also check the levels for both "master" and "pcm"
06:54<aby>they are full
06:55<MrFrood>both?
06:55<aby>yea
06:55<MrFrood>and unmuted?
06:55<aby>yeap
06:55<aby>I mean I get normal audio atm
06:55<aby>but not the same performance when in windows wiht real tek driver
06:55<MrFrood>ok that's the stupid questions asked
06:56<aby>alsa has no problems as is but it is when installing the realtek driver the problem arises
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06:56<aby>it gives the -- ./install: 48: alsaconf: not found
06:57<cahoot>aby: unless the realtek driver is well written and compatible with you running kernel I suspect you're into a bit of pain
06:57<aby>shoot
06:57<cahoot>alsaconf is obsoleted in debian
06:58<MrFrood>alsaconf is not in squeeze (alsactl is used instead)
06:58<aby>is alsaconf used in ubuntu?
06:58<cahoot>not really the same purpose
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06:59<aby>I am a newbie so I am just learning
06:59<aby>stuff
06:59<cahoot>a question better asked in #ubuntu perhaps?
06:59<aby>oh k
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07:01<pranab>no
07:03<pranab>hi to all
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07:06<amitz>pranab: do not pm random people without permission.
07:06<amitz>and no, i'm not from south asia ;-)
07:07<pranab>ok
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07:12<Nazcafan>hello
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07:16<thewanderer1>I'm getting funny randomness in the default wallpaper (when no wallpaper is set yet) under GNOME/Fluxbox... it's like scattered contents of the texture buffer
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07:17<thewanderer1>so until GNOME finishes initialisation and sets the wallpaper, I can see fragments of the chats I've had and some GUI elements from an SDL game I've played recently... this is all under NVIDIA, Squeeze
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07:35<Nik05>can someone help me with my audio? :)
07:36<nevyn>Nik05: wassup?
07:36<Nik05>euh ok i have an audio card in my computer and one in my headset
07:36<nevyn>yep.
07:36<Nik05>and i want the sound of vlc and firefox through my headset and not through my boxes
07:36<Nik05>how do i do that? :)
07:36<nevyn>speakers?
07:37<Nik05>yes speakers
07:37<nevyn>Nik05: pulseaudio.
07:37<Nik05>ok thx i will search for it :)
07:38<nevyn>well you could do it with alsa if you don't want to change it.
07:38<jony>any total commander like commander?
07:38<jony>with similar functions?
07:38<nevyn>midnight commander?
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07:39<SynrG>there are many
07:39<jony>it's DOS-like crappy...
07:39<SynrG>well, tuxcmd? or krusader?
07:39<nevyn>Nik05: there's a howto umm...
07:40<nevyn>Nik05: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497
07:41<jony>SynrG, ty
07:42<jony>but either is not approaching with the rich of functions like total coomander :(
07:42<themill>jony: it might help if you explained what you wanted
07:43<themill>(all I know of total commander is what google tells me and krusader does all of that)
07:43<jony>for ex: when i double click on a file, to open it from commander with the default application
07:44<Nik05>ooh damn nevyn where do i need to start reading? :Pp
07:44<jony>or when i press space on a folder, to calculate it's total size
07:45<nevyn>Nik05: umm maybe there's a howto in your native language?
07:45<Nik05>dont think so ;)
07:45<themill>jony: I'm yet to find a file manager that doesn't open the file when you double click on it; Alt+Enter calculates the total size in kursader. Perhaps you should try it.
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07:46<nevyn>Nik05: the commands are all in code blocks
07:47<Nik05>nevyn about the installation is aptitude install audiopulse enough or do i need to run longer apt-get command?
07:47<babilen>Nik05: use aptitude and you want to install pulseaudio
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07:47<Nik05>i already did aptitude install pulseaudio
07:47<babilen>!tell Nik05 -about pulseaudio
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07:48<babilen>Nik05: You probably also want pavucontrol to set the volume levels
07:48<jony>themill, alt+enter opens the actual directory :(
07:48<themill>doesn't here
07:48<nevyn>Nik05: you probably want all the stuff in that longer apt-get
07:49<Nik05>ooh ok
07:49<nevyn>particularly the pusleaudio backend for gstreamer etc
07:49<minimalseeker>jony: tuxcmd does not open the file, it asks you what program is supposed to open it. So technically, its not opening the file when you double click on it
07:49<babilen>yeah
07:49<Nik05>but i just repace apt-get with aptitude or...?
07:49<babilen>Nik05: sure
07:49<whitecyber_>hi
07:50<babilen>Nik05: I found that I needed http://paste.debian.net/116353/ in /etc/asound.conf too, but just follow the instructions ...
07:50<nevyn>it's in the howto I pointed at
07:50<themill>jony: but settings → configure shortcuts → search for properties → type in whatever shortcut you want.
07:50<babilen>nevyn: Are you sure that most of those packages aren't actually dependencies/recommends of pulseaudio?
07:50<babilen>nevyn: wonderful :) (re: "it's in the ..")
07:51<nevyn>babilen: yeah
07:51<jony>themill, ok, but I want to calculate a folder total size pressing a button or two
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07:52<minimalseeker>I really want to automount my usb and external hard-drive but I am not sure how to do this. Could someone please help me out?
07:52<themill>jony: and I just told you how to configure that
07:52<whitecyber_>have you install xchat in ubuntu 11.04 ?
07:52<whitecyber_>i want to install but canot
07:52<ansgar>!ubuntu
07:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
07:52<babilen>nevyn: AFAICT most of the "other" packages are either dependencies, recommendations or suggestions of the pulseaudio package. That set of packages you have to install explicitly looks bloated
07:53<babilen>nevyn: Not that this is a real problem ... :)
07:53<nevyn>babilen: meh.
07:53<Nik05>ok babilen i have changed asound.conf
07:54<babilen>\o/
07:56<jony>it's not ok....
07:56<jony>i want to show the folder's size right after his name ű
07:56<jony>like in TC
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07:57<themill>jony: krusader is not TC. Either port TC to linux or send patches to the krusader developers.
07:57<nevyn>Nik05: is pulse running? does your desktop start it?
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07:57<Nik05>i think its running
07:58<nevyn>Nik05: check with pactl stat
07:58<jony>oh shit.. for this issue I left ubuntu in february...
07:58<Nik05>pactl stat?
07:58<nevyn>jony: which issue?
07:58<jony>it's not having a normal commander
07:58<themill>jony: seriously?
07:58<jony>yes
07:58<themill>you need to get out more
07:58<Nik05>Server Name: pulseaudio
07:58<Nik05> nevyn
07:58<jony>I had 5 issues
07:58<jony>in total
07:58<nevyn>jony: shells are intensely personal things.
07:58<jony>and one of them was this
07:58<nevyn>so I'm not surprised.
07:59*nevyn has never got commander based workflows.
07:59<Nik05>nevyn: http://paste.debian.net/116354/
07:59<SynrG>in general, all software can run on all distros. distro choice should not be governed by presence/absence of a single app. find the app you want first, then go about making it work on your chosen distro. not the other way around.
07:59<jony>ok, another issue: I can't use my Kworld dvd maker 2 video capture card with linux...
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08:00<jony>where I can see the installed components of this pc :(
08:00<jony>?
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08:00<SynrG>!whats my hardware
08:00<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>.
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08:01<nevyn>like I never liked xtree or dostree or any of that stuff.
08:01<webad_13>how can I easily discover mac addresses within network - I know I can get MAC with nmap, but I don't want to scan for ports - only MAC address... any ideas?
08:02<nevyn>jony: the linux component to support that sort of hardware is v4l
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08:02<SynrG>jony: a usb device? lsusb
08:02<nevyn>nmap can do it.
08:03<jony>yes
08:03<jony>what is v4l?
08:03<babilen>video for linux
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08:03<minimalseeker>video for linux version 2
08:03<minimalseeker>is better
08:03<jony>it's another distro like ubuntu?
08:03<SynrG>no
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08:03<SynrG>it's a standard for handling video devices
08:04<minimalseeker>babilen, would you happen to know anything about automounting USBs and hard drives on my desktop?
08:04<SynrG>so if there's a v4l-compliant driver for your device, you're all set.
08:04<jony>how can I use this v4l?
08:04<nevyn>jony: so linux isn't one thing. it's like an ecosystem of bits.
08:04<webad_13>nevyn, can I use nmap to scan only for MAC - quickly
08:04<Nik05>i know something about mounting harddrives :D
08:04<nevyn>webad_13: well you might have more luck with arp-a
08:04<Nik05>but its not showing in Places...
08:05<minimalseeker>great Nik05m how do you automount all of them
08:05<nevyn>webad_13: arp -a will show everything that's ever rarp'd
08:05<nevyn>or sent an arp reply rather.
08:06<Nik05>minimalseeker use /etc/fstab...?
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08:06<jony>so can I use kworld dvd maker 2 with linux or not? :)
08:06<SynrG>jony: install v4l-utils and try v4l2-ctl --info
08:06<Nik05>that made me auto mount my winHD
08:06<webad_13>nevyn, that is exactly what I needed thanx - do you know for how long do entries stay in arp table
08:07<minimalseeker>right now I manually mount all usb by using mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt -> in which case all the files in the usb turn up in /mnt. However if it is a harddrive with several TB of data it never mounts.
08:07<webad_13>I noticed that they get deleted
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08:07<minimalseeker>Using fstab might be okay as a permanent mount
08:07<minimalseeker>but this is for temporary mounts
08:07<nevyn>minimalseeker: so is this for desktop use?
08:07<minimalseeker>Yes
08:07<Nik05>ooh sorry minimalseeker dont know anything about that
08:07<nevyn>minimalseeker: the right way to do this is using the udev stuff.
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08:08<minimalseeker>nevyn, how do I use udev to do this - is that some kind of a package I need to install?
08:08<jony>SynrG, it doesn't recognize the capture card
08:09<minimalseeker>!udev
08:09<dpkg>udev is a /dev and hotplug management daemon, Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>. Dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html
08:09<nevyn>minimalseeker: what desktop?
08:09<minimalseeker>Openbix
08:09<minimalseeker>*box
08:09<minimalseeker>Hmm... that's pretty extensive. Which parts help in automounting...
08:10<nevyn>minimalseeker: are you using openbox inside kde or gnome?
08:11<minimalseeker>Ah! there is no desktop environment. its just openbox. I use startx to go to openbox and that's it
08:12<Nik05>nevyn have you seen this http://paste.debian.net/116354 ?
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08:12<nevyn>right so you don't have enough infrastructure to support automounting "properly"
08:12<minimalseeker>Even if the USB automounts on the filesystem its fine. I don't need it to appear on the desktop
08:13<nevyn>Nik05: do you have hdmi output?
08:13<Nik05>on my GPu but i dont use it
08:13<nevyn>can you pastebin the contents of /proc/asound/cards ?
08:14<nevyn>minimalseeker: you can do that with just udev rules
08:14<nevyn>udev can match specific rules and run arbitary commands with them
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08:14<Nik05>nevyn: http://pastebin.com/ywVyjZaR
08:15<Nik05>or isnt that my GPU...?
08:15<Nik05>lol im not sure
08:15<nevyn>Nik05: that is your gpu hdmi output
08:16<minimalseeker>nevyn, could you please point me to an example of "udev can match specific rules and run arbitary commands with them"
08:16<nevyn>minimalseeker: giyf ?
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08:16<Nik05>but the sound through the speakers is coming from my onboard soundcard (gigabyte)
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08:16<nevyn>minimalseeker: http://www.google.com/search?q=udev+rules+for+mounting&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
08:17<nevyn>http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/udev.jspx rather.
08:17<minimalseeker>that's great - thanks. *Sorry for the laziness!
08:17<babilen>minimalseeker: Personally I just use pmount as this is convenient enough for me, but you might prefer an automounter. There are several (usbmount,halevt,..) and most filemanagers support automounting as well. You could for example use "nautilus --no-desktop" to start nautilus without taking over your desktop, use thunar-volman or something else. Many ways to skin a dog :)
08:18<babilen>minimalseeker: And please don't unnecessarily highlight me. I might /ignore you ..
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08:19<nevyn>Nik05: right.
08:19<minimalseeker>those are great examples, babilen thanks! Won't mention your name going forward... :-)
08:20<nevyn>run pavuctl go to the ouput tab and check the profile for the soundcard.
08:20<babilen>minimalseeker: wonderful. Good luck!
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08:21<Nik05>ok i will do that
08:21<minimalseeker>thanks nevyn, for the links - very helpful!
08:21<fowarek>Hi. I have an issue with a fresh install of Debian. I had just installed debian on my old system, and I wanted to reinstall to achieve desired settings. But after the reinstall, when I turn the system on, there is no display at all, but it seems as if Debian booted, and the system beeps as if it is asking me to logon. However when i CTRL+ALT+F1, the command line doesnt show up. I'm at a loss...
08:21<fowarek>...of what to do, because it was working before the new install. Even the initial Dell splash screen isnt visible, and there is no way for me to see if im getting to the boot options to boot from cd.
08:21<Nik05>nevyn what is pavuctl ?
08:21<xubuntu>mjiiot6usd
08:21<nevyn>Nik05: pavucontrol
08:21<Nik05>*command not found
08:21<nevyn>my bad.
08:22<babilen>minimalseeker: I would start with either pmount or usbmount ... halevt uses HAL which I prefer not to have on my system and the filemanager choices only make sense if you use that particular filemanager anyway. (never really understood why they abandoned gnome-volume-manager upstream)
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08:23<minimalseeker>Will check out pmount and usbmount. thanks!
08:23<Nik05>i dont get it, what do i need to do with pavucontrol nevyn ?
08:23<nevyn>Nik05: on the output tab
08:24<Nik05>yes it says Cypress DMI AUdio [... Digital Stereo (HDMI)
08:24<nevyn>sorry configuration tab
08:24<nevyn>my bad
08:25<Nik05>ok profile: Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output
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08:25<Nik05>and Off...
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08:26<Nik05>but i think thats the wrong soundcard isnt it nevyn ?
08:26<Nik05>but my sound is working (playing music right now)
08:27<nevyn>do you have other soundcards?
08:27<nevyn>Nik05: ah.
08:27<Nik05>GPU, gigabyte motherboard, USB headset Sennheiser
08:27<nevyn>Nik05: what's in /proc/asound/cards
08:28<Nik05>euh i already showed you that :p
08:28<Nik05>http://pastebin.com/ywVyjZaR
08:28<nevyn>ok.
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08:29<nevyn>were you playing sound when pulseaudio was started?
08:30<Nik05>euh dont think so
08:30<Nik05>should i reboot?
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08:31<nevyn>Nik05: it might be sensible to restart your X session.
08:31<Nik05>how do i do that?
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08:33<Nik05>ok brb
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08:34<Nik05>hhm i dont know how to do it nevyn :p
08:35<SynrG>jony: i guess you have a bit of research to do. is there support in a more recent kernel? if so, can the driver be built for the squeeze kernel? etc.
08:35<Nik05>im reading something about ctrl+alt+backspace but thats not doing anything
08:36<nevyn>Nik05: just reboot ;)
08:36<SynrG>disabled by default
08:36<nevyn>same thing effectivly
08:36<Nik05>ooh ok :P
08:36<SynrG>upstream (xorg) changed the default
08:36<SynrG>it can be configured though
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08:38<SynrG>jony: any messages in dmesg about it when you plug it in? if so, pastebin them, please
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08:39<Nik05>im back nevyn
08:40<nevyn>Nik05: so in the output tab in pavucontrol
08:40<nevyn>Nik05: how many things are listed?
08:41<Nik05>do i need to start it with root or not?
08:41<Nik05>yey 3 cards :D
08:41<SynrG>jony: from my brief search, it appears em28xx should support that device.
08:42<Nik05>yey nevyn its working :D thanks for helping
08:42<Nik05>im getting music in my headset
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08:44<Nik05>euh nevyn im getting music in headset but how do i change it back to speakers... when i click on the green icon next to the other two cards i dont get any music
08:45<nevyn>Nik05: go to the playback tab of pavucontrol
08:45<nevyn>Nik05: the green icon indicates the default.
08:45<Nik05>ok
08:45<nevyn>so when a new stream starts playing it'll go to whichever output is default
08:45<nevyn>(the rules are slightly more complicated than this)
08:46<nevyn>it'll actually try to put the stream back on the device it was palying on last time.
08:46<Nik05>ok but the problem is that when i start a new stream its not working with the other 2 cards
08:46<nevyn>but to re-direct playback streams you use the dropdown on the stream in the playback tab.
08:46<nevyn>huh?
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08:46<nevyn>Nik05: check in configuration
08:48<Nik05>hhm not working
08:49<Nik05>dont get music through my speaker nevyn :( :P
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08:50<nevyn>Nik05: :(
08:51<Nik05>there are alot of profiles at internal audio :p
08:51<nevyn>right.
08:51<nevyn>duplex audio is probably what you want.
08:52<Nik05>nope not working :p
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08:53<webad_13>does anyone know how to pipe pattern to grep via xargs?
08:53<webad_13>so not the file name but the pattern
08:53<Nik05>nevyn none of the profiles is working...
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08:58<jony>a I want a video converter software
08:58<jony>I have a captured video, it has 10 gb
08:58<Nik05>ok its working now -_-
08:58<jony>I want to fit in one dvd
08:58<Nik05>but im not sure which profile i need
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08:58<Nik05>(internal audio was muted... lol
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08:59<Nik05>thanks nevyn all working :)
09:01<Nik05>ooh and another question :p how do i get my mounten partition (that i added to fstab) in the places tab?
09:01<Nik05>mouted*
09:01<Nik05>-_- mounted*
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09:04<Parsfail>!tell jony about ffmpeg
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09:06<jony>Parsfail, ty, i will try it
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10:00<whiteserg>hi
10:00<whiteserg>=(
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10:09<Hini>...
10:09<Hini>IRC Anyone
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10:11<ompaul>Hini: it is, welcome to #debian for support of the debian software system
10:11<Hini>ok
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10:13<Zaba>hmm.. I wonder whether there's a way to find out what quirks are needed on a given system in order to have it properly resume video when waking up from s2ram that doesn't involve iteration over all the available ones.
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10:16<gedO>Hello. I'm have problem with my microphone. I can;t record anything. Can somebody help?
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10:20<gedO>Guys, any help?
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10:20<Vaibhav>I am trying to setup a IPv4 in IPv6 tunnel; I can ping via v4 to each tunnel endpoint, but not via v6; can anybody help?
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10:32<gedO>Hello. Can someone help with microphone problems???
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10:32<nevyn>gedO: what sort of microphone on what soundcard ?
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10:33<dominique>hi there
10:33<gedO>nevyn, how to see what sound card I have?
10:33<dominique>nevyn: hello
10:33<nevyn>gedO: cat /proc/asound/cards
10:33<dominique>sney: hi there
10:34<nevyn>dominique: hello.
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10:35<nevyn>gedO: run alsamixer -c 0
10:35<dominique>I hope you're good :)
10:35<nevyn>and then press f4
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10:35<nevyn>then make sure that mic is selected as the input source.
10:35<nevyn>and turn up the volumes of a few things.
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10:36<gedO>nevyn, for what is "line" bar? What LINE do?
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10:36<nevyn>line in.
10:38<dominique>guys, is there a way I can turn my debian squeeze into a debian sid?
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10:39<nevyn>dominique: yeah there is.
10:39<dominique>nevyn: if i edit the repositories, will it be debian sid?
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10:40<themill>dominique: now is a really bad time to do this
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10:40<nevyn>that one.
10:40<dominique>nevyn: I mean, is there something else in debian sid that debian squeeze doesn't have and the repositories won't get? something from the install package
10:40<gedO>nevyn, something goes wrong
10:40<nevyn>gedO: what?
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10:41<dominique>themill: really? why?
10:41<gedO>nevyn, nothing changer. stil can't record anything
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10:41<gedO>nevyn, nothing changed. still can't record anything
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10:41<nevyn>gedO: did you change to the right input on the selector and unmute stuff and turn stuff up?
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10:41<gedO>nevyn, nothing changed. still can't record anything
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10:41<gedO>nevyn, yes
10:42<themill>dominique: sid is even more broken that usual at present. Trying to run sid is rarely the answer to your problems
10:42<nevyn>can you pastebin a window of the alsamixer?
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10:42*nevyn likes sid but getting from squeeze to sid right now wouldn't be fun
10:42<nevyn>and even running sid right now is kinda.. ick.
10:42<dominique>themill: oh, ok. I'm only curious about sid.. never used it.. I've been using linux for like 3 or 4 weeks now :)
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10:43<gedO>nevyn, http://pastebin.com/E2zyMM4A
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10:43<nevyn>just F4
10:43<gedO>nevyn, and this http://pastebin.com/z4wCKPmj
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10:44<nevyn>so what are the options for input and input soc
10:44<gedO>nevyn, just F4 ( http://pastebin.com/mKH4K9B2 )
10:44<nevyn>so input source
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10:45<gedO>nevyn, line, Mic, Front Mic
10:45<daemonkeeper>dominique: Debian sid is the place where new (not well tested) software enters the Debian repositories. Given that, from time to time, there are large transitions or noteworty bugs which make life to sid users hard. In fact it is not supposed for end users, but courageous enthusiasts and developers.
10:45<nevyn>and input source 2?
10:45<gedO>nevyn, same
10:45<nevyn>daemonkeeper: courageous/masichistic
10:46<daemonkeeper>Not really. I use Sid, but I know what I'm doing.
10:46<nevyn>actually couragous as in "A bold and courageous move minister"
10:46<themill>heh
10:46<themill>dominique: then that's a lot more reasons not to go anywhere near sid
10:46<dominique>daemonkeeper: hmm.. but things get in debian squeeze a little late, right? I mean, squeeze has just been released and its on kde 44, while kde has just launched kde 4.6
10:47<gedO>nevyn, so, what I should do next?
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10:47<daemonkeeper>dominique: Right. Debian uses a fixed (frozen) set of packages. For its life time they won't be upgraded to new upstream versions in its stable edition
10:47<nevyn>gedO: did you try front-mic
10:47<dominique>I mean, there's a huge gap between what has just been released to what's been used
10:48<daemonkeeper>FWIW neither unstable has KDE 4.6
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10:48<dominique>daemonkeeper: There is a test version other than sid that is not as stable as squeeze but still get some updates, right?
10:48<daemonkeeper>you mean Debian Testing perhaps
10:48<daemonkeeper>(aka Wheezy)
10:48<dominique>yeah, I guess so
10:49<dominique>yes, wheezy
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10:49<gedO>nevyn, yes, but I have notice one thing. The mics in gnome-sound manager is always muted
10:49<themill>dominique: wheezy still isn't really a good choice for someone who has been using linux for 3 or 4 weeks
10:49<daemonkeeper>But at least a better than Sid ...
10:50<gedO>nevyn, every time I unmute them but next time I open there they again are muted
10:50<nevyn>gedO: unmute it then.
10:50<dominique>themill: ok, I'll take your advice :)
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10:50<gedO>nevyn, don't take any changes
10:51<daemonkeeper>You may just wait a bit more. There is an ongoing proposal to provide a rolling release branche for Debian
10:51<daemonkeeper>*branch
10:51<gedO>nevyn, and when I open manager next time they are muted again
10:51<dominique>so I better wait for a while to get the new kde, right? what if I change the repositories to sid, update my system and then change it back to squeeze?
10:51<daemonkeeper>That's even worse.
10:51<themill>dominique: then you will end up with a nice big mess
10:51<dominique>themill: guess so
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10:52<daemonkeeper>dominique, Again, there is neither KDE 4.6 in Sid/Testing
10:52<dominique>daemonkeeper: I heard it was release these days, like yesterday or the day before, not sure
10:53<gedO>nevyn, any idea how to fix this?
10:53<daemonkeeper>dominique: Its in experimental. You get what you pay for.
10:53<nevyn>gedO: the specifics of making audio recording work on a given system is tricky.
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11:31<andres>Uhm. Why is gcc-4.[56]-doc unavailable instead of being put in non-free?
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11:34<gungfuwayne>does anyone know how i can find a motherboard repair manual?
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11:35<sney>gungfuwayne: google the model number and 'manual' ?
11:35<gungfuwayne>yeah those kinds of searches always throw up so much junk...i just thought there might be a known better way than google searches but if not, i will keep trying
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11:36<Zomb>you seriosly expect that somebody explains to you how to repair all kinds of motherboard defects?
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11:37<bzed>andres: may be because the maintainer was too lazy to bother
11:38<gungfuwayne>Zomb, no but sometimes repair manuals help connect 'dmidecode' output with the actual pins available on the board
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11:39<andres>bzed: Somehow I find adjusting the section a bit faster than deleting a package, but maybe thats just me. Especially if its something like the gcc manpages. Something not entirely worthless...
11:40<gungfuwayne>what i want to do could probably be accomplished using USB to serial cable and an hour or two of experimentation with serial port settings but it would be fun to learn more about the debug pins on my motherboard
11:40<bzed>andres: why deleting?
11:40<bzed>andres: it is a compltely new upload with a new source file
11:40<gungfuwayne>honestly if my motherboard had a defect i would be pretty clueless about fixing it
11:41<bzed>andres: main and non-free binary packages can't be built from the same source
11:42<andres>bzed: ah. It works for my repositories/build scripts (based on reprepro).
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11:42<andres>But yes, that does make some sense
11:42<bzed>andres: not a question of 'working', a question of dfsg-freeness
11:43<andres>Yes, I can see that.
11:44<themill>andres: you could file an RFP and Cc it to the maintainer for the old -doc packages…
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11:44<andres>themill: will do
11:44<andres>Thanks.
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11:59<madkev>hi
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11:59<debianroot>hi
11:59<madkev>are you french ?
11:59<debianroot>no dutch
12:00<madkev>ok
12:00<madkev>i am french
12:00<gungfuwayne>hello
12:00<gungfuwayne>what is it like being french?
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12:06<raboof>is there another (preferably gui) way to configure my printers apart from system-config-printer?
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12:07<daemonkeeper>Cups has a web interface, KDE a nice interface for it.
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12:07<daemonkeeper>By the way: system-config-printer? Does this exist on Debian systems? Sounds like a Red Hat thing.
12:07<oihgc>irc://irc.A0HeLL.org/semi-legal
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12:08<themill>daemonkeeper: kde *had* a nice interface for it... unfortunately it's one of the bits that got thrown out with the bath water for kde4 and hasn't quite been rewritten yet
12:08<sney>sounds like a gnome thing
12:08<sney>!ops oihgc
12:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: oihgc
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12:09<raboof>daemonkeeper: it's a gnome thing i believe indeed ;)
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12:09<daemonkeeper>Could be, as I don't know better. Maybe ported from RedHat then, as they use system-config-whatever for /etc/sysconfig magic
12:09<raboof>i think it's pretty nice, except it doesn't apply my changes without giving any error message :/
12:10<daemonkeeper>themill: Right, no printer:// anymore. Too bad
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12:12<daemonkeeper>raboof: Maybe your tool does not honor the requirement of being root to configure the printer.
12:13<raboof>daemonkeeper: argh indeed running it with sudo it works fine :S - that could've been clearer in the UI :)
12:14<raboof>(solved it through http://localhost:631 too, but i like the tool better actually)
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12:20<nico>hello, i'm having a big trouble with debian wheezy since I updated from squeeze, the download speed has decreased to <10kb/s in all applications. I disabled ipv6, and checked my dns are ok, i don't know what to do, please help :)
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12:23<chealer>nico: download from where?
12:23<nico>anywhere
12:24<nico>repos
12:24<nico>webpages
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12:24<chealer>nico: what kind of connection do you have?
12:24<nico>tried with axel, wget,
12:24<nico>adsl
12:24<nico>the normal speed is 300kb/s
12:24<nico>and max 700
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12:25<nico>in apt i get 6.000 B/s downloads.. terribly slow
12:25<nico>i have windows on this machine and have normal dowload speed..
12:26<nico>debian in other 2 machines with normal speed.. so i think the trouble is with this pc
12:26<nico>and with debian
12:27<chealer>nico: what does a speed test say?
12:27<nico>i'll try
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12:31<nico>it didn't load yet :S
12:32<chealer>nico: which Linux image do you use?
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12:32<nico>kernel?
12:33<nico>Linux debian-laptop 2.6.38-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 7 04:28:07 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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12:33<nico>the speed test throw 0.14mbps for download and 0.42mbps upload
12:34<nico>and according to my adsl should be 5mbps for download
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12:34<chealer>nico: what DSL modem do you use?
12:35<nico>huawei mt882 i think
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12:35<nico>if i connect to the neighbour wifi it happens the same
12:36<nico>and i have an ubuntu netbook working with my wifi too
12:37<chealer>nico: well, what do you know about the modem? how is it linked to your PC?
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12:38<nico>i have the huawei modem given by the adsl provider, and then a linksys wifi router, this pc is a notebook
12:38<nico>it's linked by wireless connection
12:39<nico>maybe i should try connecting it by ethernet...
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12:44<nico>i have another linux-image installed it's 2.6.32, i'll try if works ok, and come back
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12:45<ycr>hello i just install debian and i have to problems that i think are related, one is that my compiz options are bloqued i cant choose any of them .. i made it work by preferences but as should be. And my second problem is that i cant choose automatic login because my options are again bloqued and i cant mark any
12:46<ycr>any idea about this problem?
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12:50<devil>and the DE is?
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12:53<ycr> hello i just install debian and i have to problems that i think are related, one is that my compiz options are bloqued i cant choose any of them .. i made it work by preferences but as should be. And my second problem is that i cant choose automatic login because my options are again bloqued and i cant mark any
12:53<devil>ycr: and the DE is?
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12:53<ycr>is Lmde
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12:54<ycr>linus mint debian in testing
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12:54<themill>ycr: you want #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org then
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12:55<nico>chealer! it's working with this kernel! i have full speed! 500kb/s
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12:56<themill>nico: some things to check then -- does your card need firmware with the newer kernel? are the networking settings the same between kernels (particularly things like MTU)?
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12:56<nico>i'll google for that
12:56<ycr>which will be the possible solution in debian?
12:57<sney>ycr: install debian and we'll tell you
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12:57<nico>this is my network card:
12:57<nico>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
12:57<nico> Subsystem: Foxconn International, Inc. Device [105b:e017]
12:57<nico> Kernel driver in use: ath9k
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12:58<sney>sigh
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12:59<nico>this is my network card: http://paste.debian.net/116380/
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12:59<sney>that's ath9k so that rules out a firmware issue
12:59<nico>so?
13:00<sney>look at bug reports for the 2.6.38 kernel and see if anyone else has experienced your issue
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13:01<nico>ok
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13:06<nico>well i have to go...
13:06<nico>thank you very much for your help!
13:07<nico>now i now what is the issue related with!
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13:08<nico>i've found lot of info in google about this bug, thank you! good luck!
13:08<babilen>nico: Just for your information, there is a new channel for testing/sid related problems named #debian-next ... (given that both are not strictly on-topic in here)
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13:08<babilen>nico: btw, what was the problem? (i missed some of the discussion)
13:08<nico>the wireless card driver..
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13:08<nico>i tried with an older kernel (2.6.32) and it works perfectly
13:09<babilen>I would, however, only consider that a short term solution to your problem.
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13:09<nico>that kernel had other issues, like not working suspend function, not hibernate, etc..
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13:10<nico>yes of course.. but i have just googled about the bug and there's other people out there with the same
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13:10<nico>i think i will solve it..
13:10<sney>nico: also, if it's a consistent problem, and bugs.debian.org has no mention of it, you should consider filing a report. it's part of running testing
13:10<babilen>nico: Great, has it been filed in the BTS too?
13:10<babilen>sney: hehe
13:11<sney>btshivemind
13:11<babilen>yeah
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13:12<ack>is this the place to ask questions about the installation
13:12<nico>i don't know.. i have to go... i will fill a bug where you tell me if it doesn't exist! thanks!
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13:12<sney>ack: debian installation, yes
13:12<babilen>nico: wonderful, your work and efforts are appreciated!
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13:12<ack>k well this might be difficult because i've never used linux before
13:12<ack>first time install
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13:13<nico>just like yours! proud to be part of debian!
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13:13<nico>my greetings from argentina!
13:13<nico>bye!
13:13<babilen>cya
13:13<ack>i just recovered from a bad install where i destroyed my mbr
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13:14<ack>there were a couple things that went wrong with the install and i wanted to ask some questions about how i might go about resolving them
13:14<babilen>go ahead :)
13:15<ack>i planned on dual-booting with win7 and i had no idea how to go about installing grub
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13:15<babilen>!dual boot guide
13:15<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
13:15<babilen>ack: But pray continue :)
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13:16<ack>well what i tried to do was make another separate partition for grub
13:17<ack>and that didn't work out i suppose because i apparently couldn't rewrite the partitions during the install
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13:17<ack>but that's not the point i think; what i'm asking is whether making a separate partition would be a good idea
13:18<babilen>ack: You wouldn't typically do that but start windows from grub. Debian will configure grub to be able to boot ms windows as well, if you have the os-prober package installed. (Which should be installed by default)
13:18<babilen>grub2 that is if you install squeeze
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13:18<ack>so i write to hd0 and it'll find windows later?
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13:19<rking>I'm helping someone over the phone, trying to increase their X resolution. All they have in "System > Preferences > Monitors" is 640x480. How do I give them more options?'
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13:20<babilen>ack: You would typically install it to the first harddrive and it will be setup to boot windows as well. Please take a look at the dual boot guide dpkg (our bot) mentioned earlier. But yes, you would install Debian and grub should realise that you have windows installed as well and configure itself accordingly
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13:22<ack>babilen: ok
13:22<ack>next issue, i can't get dhcp autoconfiguration working
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13:23<ack>the debug console says "eth0 is disconnected" and "eth0 is not ready" and things of that nature
13:23<ack>i tried configuring manually using the tcp/ip settings from win7 and it didn't work either
13:23<sney>what network controller?
13:24<ack>broadcom netlink ethernet
13:24<sney>anything more specific, like a model number or pci id? lspci -nn will give you both
13:25<babilen>if it is a tg3 it'll need firmware
13:25<daemonkeeper>dmesg will tell
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13:26<ack>i'm on windows at the moment unfortunately
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13:26<sney>I think msinfo32 shows that information as well
13:26<babilen>it will, yes
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13:27<chealer>rking: which Debian suite do they use?
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13:28<ack>PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_1692&SUBSYS_38CF17AA&REV_01\4&1DB2CFA&0&00E4
13:28<ack>does that help?
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13:28<themill>,pciid 14E4:1692
13:28<judd>[14e4:1692] is 'NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1692
13:29<ack>tg3 then
13:29<chealer>nico: I had a speed issue with an "Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)" with Linux 2.6.38. upgrading to 2.6.39-rc5 fixed it for me.
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13:29<daemonkeeper>I would suggest do download http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-bnx2 and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree to as USB pen drive. Boot into Linux and install that package
13:29<daemonkeeper>ehm the latter only for tg3
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13:29<chealer>nico: try upgrading to 2.6.39 RC (in experimental) or try using an Ethernet connection instead.
13:29<rking>chealer: 1 sec
13:30<ack>thank you very much daemonkeeper
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13:30<ack>i have to go at this moment but i will be back shortly to try out the firmware
13:30<ack>thanks all
13:31<chealer>BTW, I guess it's time I report that indeed, upgrading to 2.6.39-rc5 solved a serious performance bug with ath9k on 2.6.38. is this a known problem?
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13:32<sney>chealer: I've heard of it twice today, is that 'known' enough?
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13:34<rking>chealer: I'm talking an 11 year old through the commands, it's taking me a while
13:34<chealer>sney: where else did you hear of it?
13:34<chealer>I'm more specifically hoping to see a message on the topic or ideally a bug report
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13:35<rking>chealer: It's squeeze
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13:35<chealer>rking: which X video driver do they use?
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13:36<rking>chealer: Intel. This has worked at 1280x before
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13:46<chealer>rking: what video card does he have?
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13:47<rking>chealer: intel i810 on-board
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13:50<chealer>rking: i810? how old is that PC?
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13:52<rking>chealer: old.
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13:55<sney>old hardware usually has better support than new
13:55<sney>up to a point, anyway
13:55<chealer>rking: try to see issues in the X log
13:56<rking>chealer: This is going to be fun. =)
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14:08<rking>chealer: The only thing in the Xorg.0.log of interest seems to be how it only has two modelines, 640x480 and 3..x...
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14:09<rking>640x480 and 320x240
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14:10<rking>If it was the old days, I'd just go into the XF86Config and add more modelines, but now I see that those aren't listed in my xorg.conf ... they must be somewhere else
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14:12<cirzgamanti>it seems that iceweasel 3.5.18 is the firefox version in debian testing; is there a way to get the newest firefox version (branded or not, i don't care) on testing via the apt system?
14:13<daemonkeeper>mozilla.debian.net if you can't wait.
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14:13<sney>yep, the squeeze version of iceweasel 4.0 at mozilla.debian.net is also wheezy-compatible
14:14<cirzgamanti>thx. i need a plugin that's for 3.6 and 4.x
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14:21<nico>hello, i am the one with the wireless card issue
14:21<nico>i found that the solution was to add the parameter nohwcrypt=1 to the ath9k driver
14:22<babilen>nico: great, thanks for letting us know
14:22<nico>do I have to fill a bug report?
14:22<nico>or help in another way?
14:22<chealer>nico: hum. where did you find that?
14:22<nico>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=62979
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14:25<alan_>Hi! Anyone using BleachBit?
14:25<sney>what's that
14:26<alan_>System Cleaner
14:26<chealer>nico: thank you. sney said he heard about that problem too
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14:27<nico>is this a final solution or a workaround because hw encryption does not work?
14:27<sney>alan_: first I've heard of it, but what's your question?
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14:28<sney>nico: it's a workaround, you shouldn't have to disable nic features to get normal operation
14:28<nico>oh right.. it's ok the same!
14:29<alan_>well i wonder how advisable is to clean /var/lib/apt/archives
14:29<nico>well, i'm going out!
14:29<nico>thank you for everything!
14:29<nico>good luck!
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14:31<sney>chealer: bug reports against nic drivers are typically filed against the kernel, correct?
14:32<webad_13_>what was the command to access grub menu - I set it to show no display and now I cannot remember what the command was to display it (something with shift if I remember correctly) :)
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14:34<chealer>sney: yes
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14:36<sney>chealer: nothing on the ath9k issue filed against 2.6.38-2-686 or amd64
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14:38<chealer>sney: I didn't find anything when I looked a few days ago neither. only looked at bugs.debian.org.
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14:41<ycr>hello everybody i have a problem with autologin in debian.. but the menu is bloqued
14:41<sney>ycr: are you still using Mint?
14:41<devil>ycr: mint is still not deebian :)
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14:42<ycr>yes but i change all the repositories to debian testing just
14:42<sney>ycr: irc://irc.spotchat.org/linuxmint-help right click on that, and choose connect
14:43<devil>ycr: that does not maake it a debian install that would be supportable in any way
14:43<sney>xchat's support of clickable irc:// links is great for redirecting noobs :)
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14:45<ycr>sorry just trying to get help
14:45<sney>fair enough, you just have to go to the right place
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14:46<ycr>ok thanks
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15:13<ack>anyone here willing to help with an installation? i was here earlier, maybe the same users are still here
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15:15<sney>ack: what's the question?
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15:16<salazar>Hello guys.
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15:16<ack>well earlier i had asked about an error due to dhcp and was told to install some firmware
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15:17<ack>i loaded the deb file onto the usb but now can't access it
15:17<ack>i presume that i need to mount it but i'm not sure how
15:17<devil>ack: you need to be specific
15:17<salazar>Apt-get or Aptitude: which one do you use?
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15:17<devil>what firmware for what device
15:17<sney>tg3
15:17<sney>firmware-linux-nonfree
15:17<ack>yes it is supposed to be in the firmware-linux-nonfree package
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15:18<sney>and dmesg will tell you what the usb key's device node is called, after that, it's just mount /dev/foo /mnt/bar -t vfat (assuming FAT-fs usb drive)
15:18<ack>see i tried that
15:18<devil>ack: apt-get install pmount && pmount /dev/your_device
15:18<sney>it's usually /dev/sdb if you only have one hard drive
15:18<ack>it returned an "invalid argument" error
15:19<sney>devil: how is he supposed to apt-get install with no net connectivit?
15:19<devil>ouch :)
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15:19<devil>ah, tg3
15:19<sney>ack: what command did you run and what was the full error?
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15:21<babilen>!tell salazar -about why aptitude
15:21<babilen>!tell salazar -about why not aptitude
15:22<mack>hey there
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15:22<ack>uh
15:22<ack>wow
15:22<ack>i just ran it again and it worked
15:22<ack>go figure
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15:23<babilen>ack: did you just plug it in?
15:23<ack>i wonder
15:24<ack>at any rate i can now access my usb and the deb file; what next?
15:24<babilen>ack: "dpkg -i the.deb" (as root)
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15:26<ack>does that mean sudo?
15:26<sney>yes
15:26<sney>or su -c
15:27<ack>"sudo not found"
15:27<sney>sudo isn't installed by default, so use su
15:28<ack>that doesn't work either
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15:28<babilen>ack: type "su" and enter the root password
15:28<babilen>ack: And what do you mean *exactly* by it "doesn't work" ?
15:29<sney>it sits around on the couch all day.
15:29<sney>unknown id: dpkg would be my guess
15:29<ack>"su: not found"
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15:29<ack>and "dpkg: not found"
15:30<ack>wait
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15:30<ack>do i need to run the install first?
15:30<sney>oh, you were doing this from the recovery console?
15:30<ack>from ctrl alt f2
15:30<sney>we thought you had a partially installed system.
15:30<sney>ok. new plan.
15:30<babilen>aaahh!
15:30<ack>ah geez
15:30<sney>!firmware image
15:30<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. http://deb.li/3tGse
15:31<sney>^ just download that and install normally
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15:32<ack>sorry, first time
15:33<babilen>no problem -- this just (once again) highlights how important it is to say exactly what one has been doing (or to verify assumptions)
15:33<sney>eh, don't worry about it, at least there's an easy fix
15:33<sney>indeed
15:33<ack>lesson learned
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15:41<warren_>hey all!!! I have a debian 6.0.1 install useing software RAID 5 with 3 disks. one disk failed completely and I have a brand new one install tried to boot it up and it will not work, does anyone have anything I could try?
15:41<xytis>Hello, which channel should I ask questions regarding preseeded debian install?
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15:48<eriktorbjorn>What should I do if I suspect that a Debian bug report was closed by mistake (and that probably another one should have been closed in its stead)? I'm thinking of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505719
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16:23<ack>sney: i tried the cd with firmware included and i still get the "network autoconfiguration failed" error
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16:25<meglaw_>i have a a7j (dualcore laptop without a hdd), can you name a good way to like load io operations?
16:25<meglaw_>http://pastebin.com/spnRwxN5
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16:30<jason__>ack, if you do expert install, when it fails, it will ask you for manual configuration
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16:33<ack>i did the manual configuration but when i need to get the packages i get "bad archive mirror" for every mirror i try so i assume the connection still doesn't work
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16:34<ack>incidentally there are no lights on my ethernet port when i am configuring the network for the install, whereas on windows i would get a steady green light and a flashing orange light
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16:35<ack>perhaps i should really just skip it and keep going
16:35<jason__>i've had problems too. you need to just keep choosing a different one. http works better. also, for dns server, it needs to be filled in. One that works is 208.67.220.220. hope this helps
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16:37<meglaw_>ifup
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16:47<meglaw_>i expected someone to say "apt-get install stress" atleast. :(
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16:50<Bengt>Guys, I have some issues with apt-get
16:50<Bengt>Setting up libgcc1 (1:4.6.0-7) ...
16:50<Bengt>FATAL: kernel too old
16:50<Bengt>Segmentation fault
16:50<Bengt>I can't do anything
16:51<Bengt>not even update the kenel
16:51<Bengt>kernel*
16:51<Bengt>What should I do?
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16:53<SynrG>uname -r
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16:53*devil gets popcorn
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16:54<Bengt>SynrG 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.1
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16:54<Bengt>devil I hope you will share.
16:54<devil>Bengt: help yourself :)
16:54<SynrG>Bengt: indeed. the kernel is too old. not sure how to solve that ...
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16:54<SynrG>you're updating from etch -> squeeze?
16:54<Bengt>No
16:54<Bengt>Im on sid
16:55<themill>that's a redhat 5 xen kernel
16:55<SynrG>insanity
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16:55<Bengt>SynrG is it possible to do manually somehow?
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16:56<SynrG>Bengt: see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=59937
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16:57<SynrG>no happy ending in that thread
16:57<themill>changing the underlying kernel for the xen system isn't always possible
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16:58<SynrG>then you will need to stay with an older release, if that's the case.
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16:59<Bengt>SynrG is it possible to empty the apt-get queue then?
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17:02<ompaul>Bengt: apt-get -f install <<< doesn't clear things up? boot off an older kernel and see if you can get anywhere
17:02<ompaul>an older debian kernel
17:03<Bengt>ompaul this is a newly installed vps (33 days ago)
17:03<Bengt>so I have only this kernel
17:03<ompaul>ooch
17:04<ompaul>got a control terminal to set the box up again?
17:04<Bengt>Yes
17:04<ompaul>grab your data
17:04<Bengt>erkie ^
17:04<ompaul>what happens next might be bad
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17:05<ompaul>did they offer debian as an option?
17:05<Bengt>ofc
17:05<ompaul>are they supporting it?
17:05<Bengt>its OpenVZ
17:06<ompaul>did you build the box?
17:06<ompaul>or is it a bought system
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17:06<Bengt>ompaul its glesys, its a cloud VPS
17:06<ompaul>do they offer debian support?
17:07<Bengt>I think so
17:07<ompaul>best get out there and ask them why you have a box with debian on top and redhat on the bottom
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17:07<Bengt>http://www.glesys.com/vps.php
17:08<Bengt>I think they run the openvz on redhat
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17:08<Bengt>but that kinda suck
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17:08<jhutchins_lt>eriktorbjorn: Provide reproducible evidence that the bug is still valid.
17:08<ompaul>Bengt: there are a lot of other providers I know that two others who work
17:09*themill does wonder why you'd run sid on a vps
17:09<themill>but this is going to be a problem that bites a lot of people once wheezy releases, I guess
17:09<Bengt>themill it was either debian6 or ubuntu.
17:09<ompaul>Bengt: ^^ that is a valid comment
17:10<themill>Bengt: debian 6 would work quite fine there
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17:10<eriktorbjorn>jhutchins_lt: I guess that to do that, I would need to prove that trac-misc-wikimacros hasn't been packaged, or at least that packaging it wasn't part of the latest e2fsprogs update.
17:10<ompaul>Bengt: do you have technical requirements for sid?
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17:10<Bengt>ompaul I do not, it do work fine on our sql server
17:11<jhutchins_lt>Bengt: The thing about sid is that it may run fine today, but next week it will break.
17:12<ompaul>Bengt: grab your data, reset the box to a 6.0 install and live comfortably looking for a place that does debian on debian ;-)
17:12<Bengt>jhutchins_lt yeah, thats the flaw.
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17:12<ompaul>Bengt: that is not a flaw, that is called progress
17:12<eriktorbjorn>jhutchins_lt: But I'm uncertain of who I should provide it to, and where. As a comment to the bug report? Does the one who closed it get a copy of that?
17:13<Bengt>ompaul oh sorry, to little cocacola today.
17:13<ompaul>jeje
17:13<themill>Bengt: debian 6 is the stable release and is ideal for a server; sid is the playground where developers get to break things and no-one gets to complain because it's sid and it's supposed to be broken.
17:13<Bengt>themill we run debian6
17:13<themill>Bengt: no you do not.
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17:13<Bengt>It say so in the list. :/
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17:14<themill>[21:54] <Bengt> Im on sid
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17:14<Bengt>I thought sid = 6
17:14<themill>that is most definitely not debian 6 (squeeze)
17:14<SynrG>no
17:14<SynrG>sid is *unstable*
17:15<jhutchins_lt>Bengt: Sid doesn't have a number.
17:15<SynrG>don't use it for production systems
17:15<Bengt>Dmn
17:15<themill>,versions libgcc1
17:15<judd>Package libgcc1 on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 1:4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:4.4.5-8; wheezy: 1:4.6.0-2; sid: 1:4.6.0-6
17:15<Bengt>- /etc/debian_version : wheezy/sid
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17:16<themill>you most definitely have sid there. (you have a libgcc1 that's newer than the ones judd knows about)
17:16<Bengt>Oh, fucking glesys, having a unstable in the list
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17:16<Bengt>and sql server is on 6.0.1
17:16<ompaul>they don't
17:17<ompaul>they don't have an unstable in the list
17:18<ompaul>Bengt: grab your data reinstall and get on with your life
17:18<Bengt>I will
17:18<Bengt>Thanks anyway!
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17:26<gnufan1>What did they change in SID that caused the 17.5MB "diff" file for Packages.gz on the 7th - getting "E: Method rred has died unexpectedly!"
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17:27<gnufan1>Or is that what the md5sum mismatch refers to?
17:27*themill subscribes gnufan1 to d-d-a
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17:28<ompaul>gnufan1: that would be this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/
17:28<themill>http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/05/msg00002.html
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17:37<gnufan1>themill: I did get a note about that and I kind of assumed that was the cause of my issue (be it ever so minor in the scheme of things). Ah I see bug #626082 - I figured that was the kind of thing that was wrong but I don't like to trust my assumptions.
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17:52<lejeune>salut
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18:02<clock>% slov z druheho textu co se vyskytuji v prvnim
18:02<clock>to je rozdilne cislo
18:03<devil>!pl
18:03<dpkg>it has been said that pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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18:04<diego>hi, any help, my sound card stopped working :( ?
18:04<diego>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) ... was working yesterday and I did not update or change anything
18:04<diego>still working on windows so its not my laptop
18:05<sney>you say it stopped working, what changed?
18:05<diego>nothing :(
18:05<diego>it just does not make sound
18:05<diego>but I still see the volume panel and everythign
18:06<zem>muted?
18:06<diego>its like if its muted
18:07<diego>but its not muted in the panel of course
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18:07<diego>any command that might help ?
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18:08<zem>correct device selected in gstreamer-proporties?
18:09<diego>nothing changed ... what command do you want the output :) ?
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18:09<sney>diego: what debian version / did you update anything when it stopped working?
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18:10<diego>I use debian testing (wheezy) but it was working until yesterday,... I never reboot the computer
18:10<diego>as I saw it was not working
18:10<sney>did you update anything
18:10<diego>I decided to reboot
18:10<diego>nope
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18:10<sney>ok, in alsamixer are any channels muted?
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18:11<diego>no, no channels are muted
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18:11<sney>did you connect any other sound devices, like a usb headset?
18:11<diego>no
18:11<diego>I was using a headphone ... but it does not work
18:11<diego>even if I take it out
18:12<sney>is there a hardware volume switch on your computer? maybe you bumped it?
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18:12<diego>no, no switch lol
18:12<diego>come on. .. Im not that stupid
18:12<diego>lol
18:13<diego>Im a fucking programmer ... I would notice that
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18:13<sney>if you want our help you have to humor all the questions
18:13<diego>I'm fine lol
18:13<sney>if you want to cry about not being stupid, maybe there's a forum you could troll somewhere
18:13<diego>hahaha , ok,
18:13<sney>what is in /proc/asound/cards?
18:13<diego> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
18:13<diego> HDA Intel at 0xda500000 irq 22
18:14<sney>try alsa force-reload
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18:14<diego>already tried that
18:14<diego>did not work
18:15<sney>alsactl init ?
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18:16<diego>sney: ok, alsactl init worked
18:16<diego>now store ?
18:16<sney>wouldn't hurt
18:16<diego>Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel G45 DEVCTG" "HDA:111d7603,103c3627,00100202 HDA:11c11040,103c137e,00100200 HDA:80862802,80860101,00100000" "0x103c" "0x3627"
18:16<diego>Hardware is initialized using a guess method
18:16<diego>that was the output btw
18:16<sney>that's normal for intel hda
18:16<diego>now, why did stopped working :(
18:16<diego>any clue ?
18:17<sney>if I had to guess.... you're not using pulseaudio or jack or anything, right?
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18:17<sney>probably some application was using /dev/dsp and hung/crashed and didn't let go
18:17<diego>yeah, ok, but I rebooted
18:18<sney>hm true
18:18<diego>I mean, Im not using pulseaudio or anything
18:18<sney>don't know then.
18:18<diego>as you say
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18:18<diego>well, thanks sney :)
18:18<diego>now Im happy again :)
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18:19<diego>I'm gonna reboot to see if that stored correctly or I will put it in /etc/rc.local if not :P
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18:22<jal>Hello all, have just installed Debian yesterday, and need some help regarding my hard drive, may I?
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18:27<amphi>jal: just ask
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18:30<jal>Alright, thank you: my (ntfs) external hard drive was not recognised on plugging in: “mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program”. Am not exactly a computer crack, so besides running gparted and sth called “nsfsfix”, er…
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18:30<jal>(and English is not my native language, please forgive me if I am not precise enough)
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18:33<zem>jal: do you have ntfs-3g installed?
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18:38<Hauska>hi
18:38<Hauska>hopw to make 'rar' to extract to a certain directory destination???
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18:47<weedeater64>.rars are nasty things, best avoided, but unrar-free will unpack them to anywhere you like.
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18:58<Hauska>but how?
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19:02<chaos>is there any way to figure out the pass for a shell user?
19:02<eljefe>Any FUSE filesystems out there, or something else, which would allow me to create a fake RAID0 with two folders, each on seperate drives? I don't want a full raid, just some performance boost. and only for specific video files, not the full drive... ideas?
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19:04<weedeater64>Hauska: man unrar-free , I don't have that app, nor do I want it.
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19:07<stderr_dk>The free version of unrar doesn't unpack all the rar versions. Sometimes you'll need the nonfree version of unrar OR live with a .rar file, you can't unpack.
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19:08<daemonkeeper>How to get illegal downloads from one click hoster then?
19:09<weedeater64>meh, I don't mess with em', .rar left a very nasty taste in my mouth, never again.
19:09<akerl>daemonkeeper: I keep thinking I must be misreading that...
19:09<daemonkeeper>akerl: Actually it is fact ;)
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19:11<stderr_dk>daemonkeeper: I have no idea what you're talking about. I store all my FOSS projects as rar files... :-)
19:11<weedeater64>I feel the need to disinfect my keyboard now, just from discussing them.
19:11<daemonkeeper>akerl: 57% of all Internet traffic is HTTP, where .rar is again 14.7 of that share.
19:11<stderr_dk>And keep the documentation as .docx files...
19:11<akerl>FOSS with documentation? Now I know you're lying
19:12<cthuluh>daemonkeeper: do you have an url where it is stated?
19:12<daemonkeeper>akerl: If you map this on the share of one click hosters in the worldwide Internet traffic you end up with 15%. Now you see the correlance?
19:12<stderr_dk>daemonkeeper: Some say BT traffic are using more bandwidth than HTTP.
19:12<daemonkeeper>stderr_dk: Not anymore.
19:12<daemonkeeper>cthuluh: Yes, hold on.
19:12<akerl>daemonkeeper: I still don't see how that impacts what I would want to install on my machine.
19:13<daemonkeeper>akerl: I was sarcastic in fact. The numbers are true though.
19:13<daemonkeeper>stderr_dk: P2P is less than 14% today
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19:15<weedeater64>"Judging by the current situation in the Internet, content sharing platforms will soon be closed. "
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19:15<stderr_dk>I know my BT client haven't been running for a while, but if we're down to 14% I better get it started again.
19:16<akerl>weedeater64: Source for that quote?
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19:16<weedeater64>Some kid on a less than reliable forum, http://www.thenewboston.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=10871
19:17<akerl>Ah.
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19:18<weedeater64>akerl: What would you say to his comment ?
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19:19<akerl>I don't think it's likely that any platforms will be "closed", but I think the age of wanton BT file sharing is on the decline
19:19<akerl>For instance, I don't expect BT usage to cease, but it's either going to shift to a more structured system or greatly diminish
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19:20<SynrG>-> #debian-offtopic
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19:23<daemonkeeper>stderr_dk, cthuluh: Source is author = "On dominant characteristics of residential broadband internet traffic" in Proceedings of the 9th ACM SIGCOMM conference on Internet measurement conference, IMC '09 my Maier et. al. You find the full text through Google Scholar.
19:23<daemonkeeper>*by
19:24<cthuluh>thanks
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19:26<stderr_dk>daemonkeeper: Ok.
19:27<stderr_dk>Minor point: It's from 2009, not "today".
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19:28<daemonkeeper>Right, but did not significantly change since them (e.g. in contrast to just a few years ago, where indeed P2P was dominating). If you want to talk more -> #debian-offtopic
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19:32<maxwellnewage>hola
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19:51<riberto>out of topic questions allowed on here?
19:51<quant>riberto, I don't think so :)
19:51<riberto>thanks
19:51<babilen>riberto: No, take it to #moocows or #debian-offtopic or whereever your question is on-topic
19:53*guardiola is away: Gone away for now
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20:00<TheShack>how do i enable ssh in a chroot jail using openssh and chrootdirectory
20:01-!-mode/#debian [+l 480] by debhelper
20:01<daemonkeeper>That's more complicated than you would think. You may want to consider a restricted shell instead.
20:01<daemonkeeper>Say lshell or something like that.
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20:04<TheShack>haha ya i have for looking o the internet for the last few hours and it seems impossible, thanks tho i will look those up
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20:13*gnugr is away: Είμαι απασχολημένος/η
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20:13<daemonkeeper>You could turn that off gnugr
20:13<daemonkeeper>(And guardiola)
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20:18<abrotman>!tell gnugr about away
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20:21<riberto>just trying to give back, ther command I was searching for was "ESPEAK" THANK YOU!
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20:56<Planet8>KDE is really becoming a windows wannabe desktop. Filled with "auto" features that locks or freezes up the desktop. Damn I miss KDE 3
20:56<abrotman>!trinity
20:56<dpkg>Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 in it). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>.
20:56<abrotman>good luck!
20:57<abrotman>or uh .. stop using KDE
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20:59<Planet8>abrotman, yeah I was thinking about it, but I never really liked Gnome, maybe I should give it a try, by the way.. thanks for the trinity link, didn't know about that project.
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21:00<abrotman>Planet8: there are other DEs .. like lxde or xfce
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21:01<Planet8>abrotman, yes I know
21:01<Planet8>thanks
21:02<weedeater64>Is gnome any better ? Can you say WM
21:03<abrotman>it doesn't matter .. it's for him to decide
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21:04<MrFrood>twm forever :P
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21:15<Julius_Brazil>Anyone know where I can get gadgets gnome 2?
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21:33<Julius_Brazil>Anyone know where I can get gadgets gnome 2?
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21:35<abrotman>Julius_Brazil: what precisely are you looking for?
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21:38<Julius_Brazil>abrotman, I'm checking some screenlets and found some beautiful. I'm using conky.
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21:57<claug>how do i join another channel or serach all channels
21:58<abrotman>which one do you want to know/
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21:58<abrotman>?
21:58<weedeater64>list *keyword*
21:58<akerl>Use /join <thing> to join, or /list to list.
21:58<weedeater64>/list *keyword*
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21:58<claug>yes thanks, just remembered, it's been along time...hehe
21:58<Guest193>weedeater64, how to rename
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21:59<weedeater64>What ?
21:59<abrotman>Guest193: /nick <newnick>
21:59*akerl checks to be sure he isn't in #ircnewbieshowto
22:00<abrotman>claug: are you sure you don't want the Ubuntu support channel on irc.freenode.net ?
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22:00<peter123>ok
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22:01<claug>abrotman: yes I am on the ubuntu channel now
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22:02<jon5000>help. I am using xubuntu, just uninstalled compiz and now havve no window manager. worse, the window decorations dont include any buttons and I cant move them around. can anyone help?
22:03<abrotman>jon5000: you would want #xubuntu on irc.freenode.met
22:03<jon5000>thanks
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22:12<claug>not having any luck getting my wifi going on my laptop, at first i had a broadcom that wouldn not work either, i pulled that wireless card and put in an Intel wifi card thinking i might have better luck, however I am not with this one either
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22:14<abrotman>claug: you want the Ubuntu support channel, this isn't it
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22:16<claug>abrotman: don't tell me what i want
22:17<abrotman>claug: we do not support Ubuntu in this channel
22:17<akerl>claug: I'd advise you to not get snarky with people who know things you hope to learn :p
22:17<abrotman>claug: if you want help here, please install Debian, then come back
22:18<claug>thanks for the tip bro
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22:37<abrotman>!tell guardiola about away
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22:48<mock>anyone know anything about abcde?
22:48<cato>anyone know how to use joomla 1.6?
22:50<mock>i am having trouble figuring out what to install for an mp3 encoder
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22:50<nevyn>!ask
22:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:55<mock>"I have a problem with lame; I'm running Debian version 6.0.1a. When I try to do $(abcde -o mp3) I get the following output "[ERROR] abcde: lame is not in your path.
22:55<mock>[INFO] Define the full path to the executable if it exists on your system.". I expected it to do make mp3s from music cd"
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22:56<mock>i think my problem may be that my sources.list only has "main" archive selected
22:57<abrotman>lame isn't in Debian
22:57<abrotman>!tell mock about lame
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23:03<mock>thanks abrotman
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