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00:43<leonardo_>hello
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00:46<GothSpark>hi
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00:48<edi>alow
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00:51<GothSpark>hi I got some sound problems , when I plugs my headphone to the output jack the sound from the speakers are not cutted of , i am quite new on debian so can you help me to fix that ? I am using an Asus K52J-C laptop and my sound card is this : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06)
00:54<irshad>I too had the same issue
00:54<GothSpark>you found a work around ?
00:54<irshad>http://mailtoirs.blogspot.com/2011/04/dell-vostro-1014-sound-issue-in-debian.html
00:54<irshad>yes, and explained in the above post
00:55<irshad>I am not a package maintainer or an expert or anything
00:55<irshad>Just shared what I know with you
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00:56<GothSpark>welll I know that it is not every one that are an expert ;) , thank's for the solution ^^
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00:58<irshad>@GothSpark: hope the same solution will work for you. But better take some time and report a defect. If I had done that, you would have not had this issue at all. Now, it's your turn
00:58<irshad>:)
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00:59<GothSpark>irshad I just need to change the name of the first line but :/ well I write Asus K52J-C instead &
01:00<GothSpark>?*
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01:07<GothSpark>I will do it as soon as I can :3
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01:11<GothSpark>mmm the kernel really needs to be installed ?
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02:17<Ani>after upgrade my debian testing my LG android optimus one not showing up in " lsusb "
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02:18<jm_>check what kernel says: dmesg
02:18<Ani>ok
02:18<Ani>brb have to reboot then
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02:23<ani>hum that a phone issue may be. i debian restart several time , but after connect my phone in widows 7 ..now its working i debian too. strange o_O
02:24<ani>need to check a upgrade my android to 2.3 then
02:25<irshad>@GothSpark: that would be fine
02:26<th>i read that line too fast. i thought you upgrade your LG optimus one to debian testing, that would be so cool
02:26<ani>th issue was , my phone stop work after last upgrade [i upgrade my os]
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02:27<th>yeah, hehe, my bad
02:27<ani>so i booted to win 7 to connect my net , my android is only one source for my net
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02:28<ani>and there the miracle happed .. to check dmesg i rebooted to debian and conect my phone ..and dang its works
02:28<ani>i think its bug on android 2.2
02:28<th>the phone can be used as a modem in debian?
02:29<ani>th not as modam
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02:29<ani>as router
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02:29<th>i see, so you're online now in debian right?
02:29<ani>yes
02:29<ani>:)
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02:30<ani>2.6.38-2-686
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02:31<ani>th actually i thought its debian issue coz i use tergated kernel install
02:31<th>cool, now i know that debian works well with smartphone too
02:31<ani>th for smat phone ? dialup?
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02:32<ani>th i used wvdial for smart phone
02:32<th>i don't have one now. but i plan to buy one that works with debian
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02:33<ani>th then you have to download all wvdial packages with deps then dpkg -i *
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02:33<th>ani, thanks for the info. i'll do it later when i get the phone
02:33<ani>after that as root wvdialconf and edit /etc/wvdial.conf
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02:34<ani>:) yw mate
02:34<th>the wvdial.conf, i assume it's similar to the one used for 3G modem
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02:35<ani>th yes
02:36<th>i've tried many 3G modems and amazed that i've found none that is unusable with debian although there are no mention of any sort about linux compatibility in the user manual or the packaging
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03:08<mekt>Is it possible to alter which columns are shown on the console as a result of 'aptitude search'? If so, what term should I seek in "aptitude user's manual"?
03:09<weedeater64>pipe through awk
03:09<jm_>sure is, -F / --display-format switch
03:09<weedeater64>or that, sounds better
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03:13<weedeater64>jm_: do you know, is the backend of that option awk ?
03:13<jm_>weedeater64: no, it's built into aptitude
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03:14<gpm>hi all. i'm running wheezy and i have to un-plug and re-plug all my usb devices before they work. i know it's a simple bug and i have to just remove a directory but can't remember which one...help?
03:14<mekt>thanks, jm_, weedeater64. ch02s05s01.html#secDisplayFormat
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03:19<devil>gpm: /run?
03:19<gpm>devil: YES!
03:20<gpm>i can safely rm -fr it?
03:20<devil>yes
03:20<weedeater64>I think I need to start using aptitude, much nicer search results.
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03:20<gpm>coool
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03:22<weedeater64>How does that /run directory get created, what is it for
03:22<weedeater64>?
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03:24<jm_>weedeater64: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
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03:37<gnikoloff>good day
03:41<gnikoloff>can't seem to find help from dpkg...
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03:42<gnikoloff>does anyone have an idea which driver to use for a net install of debian 6.01 on Dell Latitude e6320
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03:42<gnikoloff>Ethernet driver*
03:43<gnikoloff>all I can find via google is that the ethernet is "1000 Gigabit Ethernet"
03:44<gnikoloff>in the end i have tried selecting each and every driver listed in Detect network hardware, but none seem to work
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03:50<gsimmons>gnikoloff: AFAICT, that system contains a 82579LM.
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03:50<gsimmons>dpkg: 82579
03:50<dpkg>[82579] Support for Intel 82579 LAN on Motherboard devices (LOMs) is available in the mainline <e1000e> driver since Linux 2.6.36. Supported devices include the 82579LM (PCI-ID 8086:1502) and 82579V (PCI-ID 8086:1503). For device support on established Debian systems, ask me about <e1000e oot>.
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03:51<gnikoloff>gsimmons: thanks for the help, but selecting the e1000e doesn't do me any good
03:51<gnikoloff>:-/
03:51<gnikoloff>the installation just goes back to Detect Network Hardware
03:52<jm_>gnikoloff: does your installation media actually include 2.6.36 kernel?
03:52<jm_>because debian 6 doesn't
03:53<gnikoloff>I guess that explains it, thanks jm_ :)
03:53<gnikoloff>probably should do a bit more search next time
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03:53<jm_>it looks like kmuto images don't exist for squeeze
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03:56<gnikoloff>thanks for the help
03:56<gsimmons>Support may enter via a point release at some point (BTS #624794).
03:57<gnikoloff>well, I need to setup my new work laptop now, so I guess I`ll look into ubuntu/mint
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04:00<gnikoloff>good day gents
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04:14<Infiltrator>Hey all.
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04:17<Infiltrator>Was wondering if I could get some help with my laptop; I just did an upgrade and now my touchpad and wireless aren't working.
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04:19<th>what's the laptop brand and type?
04:20<Infiltrator>th: HP Compaq nc6400
04:21<devil>Infiltrator: using wheezy?
04:21<Infiltrator>It was working fine from about two months ago until the upgrade last night.
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04:21<devil>Infiltrator: do you have a dir named /run?
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04:22<Infiltrator>devil: Not sure which one wheezy is. I have stable, testing, unstable, and experimental repositories in my sources.list.
04:22<Infiltrator>And yes, I do.
04:22<Infiltrator>That's new.
04:22<devil>Infiltrator: delete it and reboot
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04:23<Infiltrator>I use "rm -rf /", right? :P
04:23<Infiltrator>brb
04:23<devil>Infiltrator: btw.: new channel #debian-next ist more suited for unstable....
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04:23<alwan>hi
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04:30<Infiltrator>Hey guys; just letting you know that removing /run worked. Thanks a lot.
04:30<devil>yw
04:30<devil>it'll be back any time soon, hopefuly in a workingcondition
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04:31<Infiltrator>I'm sure "rm -rf /" would have done the trick too, though. :P
04:31<Infiltrator>What exactly is it/it for, anyway?
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04:32<devil>Infiltrator: run moves one up from /var/run to /run
04:32<Infiltrator>And you said I should go to #debian-next is a better place to ask my questions in future?
04:32<th>something nasty
04:32<devil>Infiltrator: it is for testing/unstable users
04:32<weedeater64>Infiltrator: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
04:32<Infiltrator>What about experimental? :P
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04:32<devil>Infiltrator: well, thats hard to support anyways
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04:32<devil>break it, keep the pieces
04:33<Infiltrator>Yeah, I know.
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04:33<Infiltrator>Hahahaha; what pieces? :P
04:33<devil>tiny ones
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04:33<th>and the lesson
04:34<Infiltrator>I only use experimental for programs that I want the latest of, anyway. I usually don't put my main system up to experimental.
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04:34<gnugr>Infiltrator: btw, show us what gives you " cat /etc/issue.net "
04:34<devil>Infiltrator: dist-upgrading against experimental and asking for support will bring you lots of laughter...
04:35<Infiltrator>$ cat /etc/issue.net
04:35<Infiltrator>Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid
04:35<gnugr>ok
04:35<Infiltrator>Yeah, I know. :P
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04:35<Infiltrator>Sooo wheezy is testing? Or unstable?
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04:36<th>testing
04:36<gnugr>Infiltrator: do you have done "pinning" on /etc/apt/preferences ?
04:37<babilen>Infiltrator: Yes, and you are welcome to join #debian-next to discuss your wheezy system :)
04:37<Infiltrator>And sid is unstable.
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04:38<Infiltrator>Not on this laptop, apparently.
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04:38<Infiltrator>babilen: What is there to discuss? :P
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04:38<babilen>Infiltrator: No idea, you seemed to have problems and I wanted to point out the proper channel
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04:39<Infiltrator>babilen: Ah; thanks, but it's all good (for now).
04:39<babilen>ok
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04:42<Infiltrator>Well, thanks everyone.
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04:42<twb>What is the maximum size of a ramdisk that linux will accept?
04:42<twb>I just tried a ~400MB ramdisk and linux went TILT
04:43<twb>I can't see any indication of a limit in Documentation/initrd.txt
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04:45<gnugr>twb: what you get with " free -m "
04:46<jm_>twb: it's a kernel config option
04:46<twb>That's the theory, but I tested this with an 8GB RAM VM and it said "too big"
04:46<jm_>twb: and a kernel parameter too
04:46<twb>jm_: hmm, grep -r --include Kconfig I couldn't find it
04:46<jm_>twb: Documentation/blockdev/ramdisk.txt
04:47<jm_>twb: for my kernel: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=65536
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04:47<twb>initrd_size ?
04:48<twb>Yeah, OK, I will try that tomorrow.
04:48<twb>Thanks
04:49<jm_>no worries
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04:54<hellyeah>hey
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04:55<hellyeah>i think to built web server by following that adrs. Do you think it is sufficienbtly enough for that http://www.alexatnet.com/content/debian-web-server-apache-php-and-mysql
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05:02<ayaka>some cmd like ip tunnel which I shall type after reboot, can I save it in a config file
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05:04<thewanderer1>ayaka: hint: for he.net IPv6 tunnels, you can just write an interfaces file and it works instead of inventing hacks
05:05<ayaka>thewanderer1, in /etc/network/interfaces ?
05:06<thewanderer1>yup, http://paste.debian.net/116518/ here's an example
05:07<ayaka>thewanderer1, thank you, can I add ipv6 dns to reso;ve.conf?
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05:08<thewanderer1>I haven't tried, but it should be possible
05:08<mekt>ayaka: yes, but condensed notation is not available. no format "::1"
05:09<mekt>PS. : did not work on Ubuntu, last I tried, only Debian.
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05:09<ayaka>mekt, ubuntu a very unstable one, I used to use it
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05:10<ani>how can i get gtk3 on testing
05:11<ayaka>thewanderer1, the gateway it what?
05:12<ayaka>they only get me one ipv6 address in the cmd
05:12<jm_>ani: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libgtk-3-0 -
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05:12<thewanderer1>ayaka: the gateway is their end of tunnel, the address is your end
05:12<thewanderer1>typically, the gateway will be :1 at the end while the address will be :2
05:13<ayaka>::/0
05:13<ayaka>me
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05:14<ayaka>mekt, it means that I should use a local dns server?
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05:14<mekt>what means that?
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05:17<ayaka>mekt, you said I should use my server didn't you
05:17<mekt>no.
05:17<ayaka>thewanderer1, ::/0 is ok ?
05:17<mekt>but you certainly can.
05:18<mekt>If it is not too much work, I would recommend setting up at least your own forwarding server. You can then control where your queries go.
05:18<mekt>well, you can control that anyway.
05:19<thewanderer1>ayaka: for what? this looks like a default route...
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05:19<ayaka>thewanderer1, yes. can I ?
05:19<thewanderer1>this doesn't look like a valid gateway nor local address
05:19<thewanderer1>use the data given in the he.net admin panel
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05:22<ayaka>thewanderer1, I see thank you
05:22<ayaka>mekt, thank you
05:23<classical>hello
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05:23<classical>when i type vi vim is opening instead of vi there is no aliases in .bashrc
05:23<classical>so where is this configured so ?
05:24<babilen>classical: no vi on Debian
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05:24<thewanderer1>classical: alternatives. see: stat $(which vi) # it should be a symlink to vim
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05:24<babilen>classical: You can "set compatible" in you ~/.vimrc (but honestly why would you do that) -- nvi is an alternative if you don't like vim. But *why*?
05:25<classical>babilen, no i'm in love with vim
05:25<classical>just wanted to figure out how this worked
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05:25<thewanderer1>classical: man update-alternatives
05:26<babilen>classical: Ah! Ok, thewanderer1 was/is on the right track then :) *sigh*
05:26<classical>thanks :))
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06:49<Nik05>msg dpkg wheezy
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06:53<guillaume_>Hi everyone, I have some strange message in my syslog, about iscistarget. anyone can help ? http://friendpaste.com/7kCZS8b2lnMB2rm0pTfcp5
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07:10<aktiv[b]>hi, I'm coming from ubuntu. I need advice on what debian version to install. Could someone help me with that ?
07:11<abrotman>squeeze
07:11<nevyn>aktiv[b]: do you have more than 4gig of ram?
07:11<aktiv[b]>no
07:12<nevyn>then i386 will work.
07:13<Nik05>or wheezy
07:13<aktiv[b]>but I am running encrypted disks on top of an LV, so i need the installer to support it. I've had problems with kernel 2.6.25-28, and I want to try out gnome3
07:13<nevyn>aktiv[b]: debian doesn't currently have gnome3
07:13<aktiv[b]>isn't there some experiemental version that supports it, to the degree it's supported at the current stage?
07:14<jm_>aktiv[b]: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html
07:15<aktiv[b]>i know it doesnt come with it packaged
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07:17<aktiv[b]>jm_: thanks
07:18<aktiv[b]>the basic debian installer handles lv and dmcrypt? there is no alternate installer required, as with ubuntu ?
07:19<babilen>aktiv[b]: it does, yes
07:19<aktiv[b]>super
07:19<babilen>aktiv[b]: You might be interested in the installation guide -- /msg dpkg ig
07:21<babilen>aktiv[b]: There are also various different images and ways to install Debian. Please "/msg dpkg #FACTOID" for factoid in {netinst, cd1, various cd1, firmware image, usb install} -- e.g.: /msg dpkg netinst
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07:52<aktiv[b]>what filesystem is used in the debian cd iso? i can't mount it in osx
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07:53<jm_>iso9660
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07:53<aktiv[b]>ok
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07:55<ani>any possibility to install debian in a dynamic hdd .
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07:56<jm_>ani: what is a dynamic hdd?
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07:56<ani>jm its fs type
07:56<ani>after you convert a hdd to dynamic linux cant read mbr
07:56<jm_>ani: please elaborate further
07:57<Torsten_W>it's from windows (NT)
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07:57<Torsten_W>and it's not a fs-type
07:57<ani>yes
07:57<ani>normally we use basic
07:58<ani> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
07:58<ani>/dev/sda1 1 121602 976761528+ 42 SFS
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07:58<ani>look at the system its saying SFS
07:58<Torsten_W>and?
07:59<Torsten_W>it's not a filesystem
07:59<ani>if i ran grub update its cant seek to the drive /dev/sda1
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07:59<A1_>uhm, should I put wheezy or testing in sources.list ? any difference?
08:00<ani>A1 testing will be good
08:00<Torsten_W>at the moment, there is no difference
08:00<A1_>ani thx
08:00<aktiv[b]>since i can't open the install iso, where in it is vmlinuz and initrd located, and it is initrd.gz og .lz ?
08:00<Torsten_W>after release of wheezy, there is a difference
08:00<jm_>ani: does grub even support this?
08:00<ani>nop
08:01<ani>jm_ i never able to install grub there
08:01<babilen>A1_: The different is the same as with "stable" and "squeeze" -- Once a release has been made the associations will change. This lead to much pain in the past for people who had "stable" instead of the actual name in their sources.list
08:01<A1_>aptitude removed my mobile broadband when i did a full upgrade so I was just wondering
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08:01<ani>jm_ seems grub cant write on dynamic mbr
08:01<A1_>fixed it tho :X
08:02<babilen>A1_: That being said, it is not a great idea to track wheezy at this time. There is also a dedicated channel for wheezy/sid (#debian-next)
08:02<gsimmons>ani: GRUB has no Logical Disk Manager support (Debian bug #569133).
08:03<ani>humm ..
08:03<A1_>babilen, well my laptop keeps crashing X when I run squeeze so that doesnt leave too many options :D
08:03<ani>nice bug :|
08:03<Torsten_W>blame ms
08:03<Torsten_W>not grub
08:03<A1_>it ends up with a blinking cursor and no way to get to a term
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08:04<ani>gsimmons, i think its not grub issue its libparted issue
08:04<ani>wait does grub use libparted
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08:06<jm_>aktiv[b]: miost likely in its "install" dir
08:06<ani>Torsten_W, i am not blameing any one :P
08:06<jm_>ani: grub 2 has LVM support, but I have no idea if that helps you
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08:07<ani>i still use old fs for my debian jfs
08:07<Torsten_W>you should realy blame ms, since those partition-type is a non-standard, ms-only type
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08:08<aktiv[b]>jm_: that was my guess too, but no
08:08<ani>jm_ while i have another hard disk , i install debian there.. but that hard disk starting to dead... i am i am sure in next 2 week i am to install debian on my dynamic one :|.. thats why i asked
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08:10<jm_>aktiv[b]: then check install.386 if you have regular x86 ISO
08:10<jm_>aktiv[b]: I only have amd64 ISO here to look at
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08:11<aktiv[b]>i have the amd64 iso
08:11<jm_>aktiv[b]: in any case, you'll see where it is by looking in '/isolinux/txt.cfg" file
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08:11<jm_>for amd it's install.amd :)
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08:12<aktiv[b]>ah, tx
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08:12<ani>A1_, kernel panic?
08:12<A1_>no oops, not sure
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08:13<A1_>im running 2.38.2 bpo now seems to be working
08:13<ani>i am using testing its running good on my pc. btw my hard ware is old
08:13<ani>i am using 38 too with target install
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08:14<Dennis>Hello. I have a problem. I tried re-installing mysql-server, but when I uninstalled it, it didn't delete the folder in /etc/ and therefore when I installed it again it would just use the old configuration. I tried deleting /etc/mysql .. And now it says it has problems loading /etc/mysql/debian-start ..... What can I do to install the /etc/mysql folder again, with all it's content?
08:14<Dennis>I thought that was what the install repository thing was for...
08:15<ani>Dennis, purge
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08:15<Dennis>I did use that
08:15<Dennis>But it still didn't delete /etc/mysql
08:15<jm_>you most likely didn't purge the right package
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08:16<Dennis>Probably not. Would the right package be mysql-common?
08:16<jm_>dpkg -S /etc/mysql and find out
08:16<dpkg>Dingos ate my /etc/mysql and find out!
08:19<Dennis>It says mysql-server-5.0 , and when I do dpkg -l mysql-server-5.0 is listed saying "pc" in the left side.. Though, when I try to purge it, it says it's not installed..
08:19<jm_>how do you try to purge it?
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08:22<Planet8>I have cloned a smaller disk to a larger one and have used partitionmanager to extend the root partition in order to take advantage of the larger disk space.
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08:22<Planet8>Now, I need to edit grub, can I just remove the root=UUID part manually from grub.cfg?
08:23<Planet8>I miss the old grub, much easier to configure manually.
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08:25<aktiv[b]>i have a multiboot usb stick running grub2, i can't get it to boot the debian 6.0.1a install iso, how should the menuentry look like?
08:27<jm_>Planet8: why would you remove it? if you cloned it your UUID should stay the same
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08:28<Planet8>jm_, the disk doesn't boot, I get a kernel panic and I suspect that I have changed the layout when I used partition manager, hence I wanted to manually edit the setup in grub and fstab
08:28<Planet8>It used to be so easy, but with this new grub.. damn!
08:28<jm_>Planet8: in that case boot with a rescue medium and run update-grub
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08:29<jm_>Planet8: in chroot (perhaps you don't need rescue medium if you get shell prompt when initramfs can't mount rootfs)
08:29<Planet8>I don't get the shell
08:30<Planet8>I'm using a live kubuntu cd to edit the data
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08:31<jm_>ok so simply chroot into it and run update-grub
08:32<jm_>!fixmbr
08:32<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
08:32<jm_>like this
08:32<Planet8>jm_, thanks!!
08:32<jm_>Planet8: no worries
08:33<jm_>Planet8: btw, you probably don't need to run grub-install, just the rest
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08:37<Planet8>When I do a chroot I get "/bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
08:38<Planet8>Maybe I'll use the Debian installer disk instead.
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08:40<jm_>do you have libncurses.so.5 in /lib there?
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08:42<Planet8>In /lib I have "/lib/libncurses.so.5" which is a sym link to "/lib/libncurses.so.5.7"
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08:42<jm_>sounds like it should be, perhaps you are tryign to run 64bit binary from 32bit OS?
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08:43<jm_>but in that case error would be different IIRC
08:43<Planet8>I'll try with the debian install disk
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09:00<jankidudel>Hi 1) is it possible to make keyboard shortcut for changing keyboard language like in windows ?
09:01*babilen waits for 2)
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09:02<jankidudel>2 :) , is this message " Your kernel has encounter error....." could be from that I haven't made updates on some stuff ?
09:02<jankidudel>When error appeared, my menus frozen
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09:02<babilen>jankidudel: Ok, regarding 1) -- Are you using gnome?
09:02<jankidudel>yes
09:03<jankidudel>probably :)
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09:03<babilen>jankidudel: Ok, easily done then. Just open gnome-control-center→keyboard→layouts→options→key(s) to change layout
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09:04<babilen>jankidudel: You should find that in "system" or "preferences" in the panel (don't run gnome, so can't really tell you) -- Or you can run gnome-control-center directly from ALT-F2
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09:04<babilen>found it?
09:04<jankidudel>thanks, and how for the 2nd question ? I mean it is very serious, if I was working on website yesterday
09:04<jankidudel>and error occured
09:05<jankidudel>only worked again after reboot
09:05<jankidudel>so
09:05<jankidudel>debian - relilable system
09:05<jankidudel>?
09:05<jankidudel>*reliable
09:05<babilen>That looks like a kernel oops, which is hard to diagnose without more information.
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09:06<babilen>jankidudel: You could install a newer kernel (2.6.38 from backports) and see if the behaviour still occurs. Are you using some fancy hardware with binary/self-compiled drivers?
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09:07<jankidudel>no, i'm not. I haven't installed any fancy stuf, only wireless driver, XAMPP, and some other stuff, like this chat.
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09:07<babilen>Ok, hard to tell without further information. I would try the new kernel and come back if it happens again. That is definitely not standard behaviour.
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09:09<jankidudel>biblen: by the way , what is more reliable: to install from small -cd and add things wia internet, or install full cd ?
09:09<jankidudel>I made 1st choice
09:11<babilen>perfectly fine choice if you have a working internet connection. CD1 (as well as the full CD/DVD sets) are rather meant for people who can't connect to the internet for one reason or another (either during the installation or at all) ...
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09:12<babilen>jankidudel: And try "bab<TAB>" in your client. I don't necessarily see messages addressed to "biblen" :)
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09:15<jankidudel>babilen, ok :)
09:15<babilen>yay! :)
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09:16<babilen>jankidudel: (also works for paths in most clients)
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09:35<sml>hi peeps :)
09:37<sml>is there any up-to-date how to on how to setup slave DNS in Debian? Or is it really simple. I've found lots of stuff on the web but the files you're supposed to use and the options to set in various files vary from site to site.
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10:01<jankidudel>by the way guys ? why did you choose debian over ubuntu ?
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10:09<dvs>jankidudel: I've never used Ubuntu. Debian was around first and I never switched from it.
10:10<insomnia>there was a wallpaper with this phrase over it: Ubuntu is an ancient African word that means: "I don't know how to install Debian"
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10:10<insomnia>so I gave it a try :P
10:10<lneely>jankidudel, i use debian because it purported to not come with nonfree software by default. i've come to realize this is incorrect, but it is also the only mostly-free distro that works on my macbook. :)
10:11<jankidudel>lneely, why don't you use Macintosh on your macbook ? :)
10:11<jankidudel>I mean MacOs ?
10:11<dvs>iOS
10:12<aktiv[b]>jankidudel: cause the 11.04 upgrade turned out to install loads of stuff not considered stable, totally bricking my system. they had the audacity to announce an unstable upgrade with a popupwindow, i'm never turning back. if they did something like that to paying customers they would be crucified
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10:26<lneely>jankidudel, that's a silly question :)
10:26<jankidudel>what ? why ?
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10:27<jankidudel>lneely, why ?
10:27<lneely>jankidudel, because macos is proprietary software. the reason i switched to gnu/linux is because it's free (speech, not beer)
10:27<jankidudel>lneely, and why to buy Mac if you will use Linux ?
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10:28<lneely>jankidudel, indeed a good question. school project.
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10:28<lneely>one i probably would not have been involved with had i been more concerned about software freedom *before* then.
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10:30<lneely>suppose that's what started it though. ultimately it was frustration in dealing with apple that led me to free software.
10:31*babilen recommends #debian-offtopic
10:31<lneely>sorry babilen
10:31<babilen>no problem :)
10:31<lneely>jankidudel, dunno if there is much more to say, but #debian-offtopic if you want to continue.
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10:32<jankidudel>lneely, no, i'm perfectly satisfied with the answers :)
10:32<lneely>ok :)
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11:10<aktiv[b]>how do i get the debian installer to unlock my encrypted partitions ?
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11:40<zk>hello. can someone answer me a question?
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11:42<chealer>!ask
11:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:44<zk>i'm trying to install flash add on for chromium. how do i get my user account to be a sudoer?
11:44<jhutchins_lt>!sudo
11:44<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
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11:45<zk>thank you
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12:03<jankidudel>Is it some risk if I try to install KDE for my Debian squeeze ?
12:03<Nik05>Hello guys
12:04<Nik05>Im running stable right now and wanted to make an testing USB netinst to test another PC.
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12:04<babilen>jankidudel: no, you can install as many desktop environment and window managers in parallel as you want
12:04<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Why would there be a risk?
12:04<babilen>!tell jankidudel -about install kde
12:05<Nik05>So i downloaded the testing.iso and the boot.img but when i started the installation it stopped at the base system install with the error:
12:05<Nik05>Debootstrap Error: Failed getting Release File file:///cdrom/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg
12:05<Nik05>does anyone know what that means?
12:06<Nik05>is it possible i got the wrong boot.img.gz that is not compatible with the iso?
12:06<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: It means wheezy is testing and not ready for release yet.
12:06<Nik05>so how do i install wheezy when its not released?
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12:07<babilen>!iyhtays
12:07<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
12:07<Nik05>ooh :p
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12:08<Nik05>i thought just download the boot.img.gz for wheezy and the iso for wheezy, unpack boot.img.gz and copy to USB and copy iso to USB.
12:08<Nik05>Boot system and install...
12:08<babilen>Nik05: Install stable and update. But I would strongly recommend not to do that as users tracking wheezy or sid are in for a bumpy ride and *really* have to be able to find their way out of severely broken systems.
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12:09<thomast>hi, qq: is debian going to try and go its own way with gnome (like ubuntu), or is it going to stay faithful to it and use the new desktop ?
12:09<Nik05>ooh i heard from alot of people that i should use testing cause it has newer stuff and isnt that unstable
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12:10<Nik05>so babilen i should just install stable on other pc too?
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12:11<babilen>Nik05: You typically just "cat" the iso to the USB block device. I am not sure in which state the wheezy installer is right now. Sombody talked about a CUT installer on one of the mailing lists, but damn me if I could find it
12:11<babilen>Nik05: Yes, squeeze there too
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12:12<Nik05>ok thx
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12:16<Nik05>ooh and babilen can you explain to me what the difference is between umount /dev/sda & zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda and mount /dev/sda /mnt & zcat boot.img.gz > /mnt ?
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12:17<Nik05>cause i thought you had to mount a drive before writing on it...
12:18<jankidudel>default debian kde manager ? gdm3 or kdm ?
12:18<jankidudel>which is better ?
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12:20<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Niether.
12:20<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Nor is xdm
12:21<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: There's also pdm, wdm, and slim
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12:22<jankidudel>jhutchins, ok, but i'm now installing kde for my Squeeze, and want to know what is better to choose, there are now exactly 2 these options :)
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12:22<potx>what's up
12:22<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Actually, the other options are available as well, you just need to install them. None of them is better. It's a question of which one you like best.
12:23<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: If you only haved one desktop environment installed, it's usually best to go with that dm, as it will require fewer files from the other DEs.
12:23<jhutchins_lt>xdm doesn't require anything extra though.
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12:24<jhutchins_lt>gdm will look and feel more like gnome, kdm will look and feel more like kde, configuration tools for kdm are in kde.
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12:25<jankidudel>jhutchins, 1 desktop environment ?
12:25<jankidudel>what is this ?
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12:33<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: KDE, Gnome, XFCE, etc.
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12:34<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: See http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ for a more comprehensive list.
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12:36<jhutchins_lt>jankidudel: Actually, that's not the site I thought it was, sorry.
12:36<jankidudel>jhutchins, I understand that they are, thanks
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12:42<Zaba>will debian-installer offer to install an efi version of grub if it detects a system that uses (u)efi?
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12:43<raday>Setting up my new Debian environment, after dist-upgrading to Wheezy nVidia the "Debian way" wants 2.6.38-2 rather than 35-2 (installer version). I got 38-2 just fine (kernel and headers) and uninstalled 35-2 kernel just fine, but I can't seem to find the installed 32-5 header package for removal.
12:43<raday>Zaba; Pretty sure you've got to get that support/GRUB version from somewhere, I'm sure it exists but not sure that it's default supported..
12:44<raday>Zaba; $ apt-cache search grub efi
12:44<Zaba>well, there are packages for it (grub-efi-amd64 and grub-efi-ia32)
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12:45<Zaba>I was wondering whether the installer can let one install them instead of grub-pc on systems where it makes sense
12:46<retrospectacus>raday: dpkg -l |grep linux
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12:46<retrospectacus>raday: are you sure you had the old headers? Anyways it'd be fine to leave them
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12:48<raday>retrospectacus: Thanks! With #Debian, I'm the king of Linux and I have a masterful and wise council of wizards!
12:49<retrospectacus>true :)
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12:50<babilen>retrospectacus: wildcards work with dpkg -l -- "dpkg -l '*linux*'|grep ^ii" -- But I personally prefer: "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-'"
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12:50<retrospectacus>fancy! I can never remember those aptitude majicks
12:52<babilen>it is pretty easy ... ~i == installed packages, ~nPATTERN == search for PATTERN in package name, ^ == beginning of name ...
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12:53<oxan>retrospectacus: or see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide
12:53<babilen>retrospectacus: No, just pick my brain for the rest of your days ;)
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13:17<aktiv[b]>ok, so i've installed debian 6.0.1, but it has detected no network hardware. discover finds my hardware, how do i install it. it would guess hotplug, but it's not installed
13:17<aktiv[b]>*it->I
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13:19<towo`>aktiv[b], and your hardware is a secret?
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13:19<towo`>aktiv[b], and you know, that debian comes without any binary firmware?
13:19<kop>aktiv[b]: Did you read the install guide regards firmware?
13:20<kop>!non-free firmware
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13:21<aktiv[b]>!non-free firmware
13:21<kop>aktiv[b]: See the install guide. Basically you can put the .deb with the firmware on a usb stick (or whatever) and install the firmware from there with dpkg.
13:21<kop>aktiv[b]: (The bot seems to be down at the moment.)
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13:22<kop>aktiv[b]: What does "lspci -nn" say for your network card?
13:22<arand>How do I find the full filename of a manpage I know the name of?
13:22<kop>aktiv[b]: (I want the pciid, it looks like [xxxx:yyyy].)
13:22<kop>arand: You want the path to the manpage itself?
13:22<aktiv[b]>168c:0013
13:23<kop>,pciid [168c:0013]
13:23<judd>[168c:0013] is 'Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0013 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k
13:23<arand>kop: Yea, to the foo.1.gz
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13:24<kop>arand: I suspect that "man man" will tell you exactly how. Usually you'd look at the section (man(1) or whatever the number is and use that in the manpath. I forget.
13:24<kop>arand: The locate command is also very handy and more general.
13:25<aktiv[b]>kop, cheers!
13:25<kop>aktiv[b]: Did it work?
13:25<arand>kop: As I end up writing manpages, it would be great to be able to view the source in a direct way.
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13:26<kop>arand: You want "man roff" (or maybe groff) or just give up and write in docbook and generate man pages/html/pdf/whatever.
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13:26<kop>!docbook
13:26<dpkg>docbook is probably a sgml or xml dtd used for docmentation authoring. documentation for it can be found at http://www.docbook.org/tdg/html/docbook.html. Install: docbook, docbook{-doc,-styles,-xml,-xt,-too}, sgml{-base,-data}, task-sgml, task-sgml-dev, jade. See: docbook-markup
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13:27<arand>Hmm, dead link ^
13:27<kop>arand: Docbook.org must still be alive.
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13:29<arand>A missin 5 in tdg5 above, yea.
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13:32<themill>dpkg, docbook =~ s,http://www.docbook.org/tdg/html/docbook.html,http://www.docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/docbook.html,
13:32<dpkg>OK, themill
13:32*themill mutters something about Cool URIs not changing...
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13:33<roer>o shutdown -r now
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13:33<arand>kop: I don't see why docbook would make me any happier a bunny though..
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13:54<scinl>Does this make sense to any of you? (START) (obconf:2664): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated (LINEBREAK) *** glibc detected *** obconf: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08a8e690 ***
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14:00<scinl>Fixed. New theme added to /usr/share/themes made obconf not want to start.
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14:01<arnolzz>can anybody tell me the irc of backtrack? :( it was in freenode :(
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14:02<daemonkeeper>!backtrack
14:02<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
14:02<daemonkeeper>#backtrack-linux
14:02<scinl>!dragons
14:02<daemonkeeper>!beer scinl
14:02*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Dogfishhead 90min IPA for scinl
14:02<arnolzz>i know :P sorry it's cus i forgot it :P
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14:03<scinl>!hooray
14:03<scinl>!cheers
14:04<scinl>What ever happened to Phlak, wasn't that a Debian derivative back in the day?
14:04<scinl>!phlack !phlak
14:04<daemonkeeper>!abuse
14:04<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
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14:24<scinl>Thank heavens, I thought I was banned from quitting/joining during the flood.
14:25<PIrr>hi all
14:25<scinl>Hjallo PIrr!
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14:26<Nik05>yey :)
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14:26<Nik05>Is there a packages for silverlight or alternative?
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14:27<Nik05>our national TV is using silverlight :(
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14:27<@themill>!moonlight
14:27<dpkg>[moonlight] a Free implementation of the Microsoft Silverlight products written using the <mono> stack. Moonlight/Silverlight is a way of delivering interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. A plugin for mozilla-based browsers like <iceweasel> is available in the moonlight package (lenny) or moonlight-plugin-mozilla package (squeeze onwards).
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14:27<Nik05>ooh ok thx :)
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14:27<Nik05>its so easy themill
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14:28<PIrr>I've installed apache2 and did a lot of configuring. At some point i decided to start from the beginning again, so i deinstalled apache 2 and deleted the remining configs, because i thougt, the original would be installed again but thats not the case. so /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is missing after installation
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14:29<cahoot>!tell PIrr about confmiss
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14:29<sney>I was trying to remember the name of that factoid
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14:29<Nik05>themill aptitude cant find moonlight...
14:29<dondelelcaro>it's the same as the name of the force operator
14:30<dondelelcaro>Nik05: it's moonlight-plugin-mozilla or similar
14:30<@themill>Nik05: are you running lenny?
14:30<dondelelcaro>Nik05: apt-cache search moonlight; is your friend
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14:30<dondelelcaro>judd: versions moonlight-plugin-mozilla
14:30<judd>Package moonlight-plugin-mozilla on i386 -- sid: 1.0.1-3+b2
14:30<dondelelcaro>heh
14:30<sney>!why is moonlight-plugin-mozilla not in testing
14:30<dpkg>moonlight-plugin-mozilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=moonlight-plugin-mozilla
14:31<Nik05>themill squeeze but moonlight or moonlight-plugin-mozilla cannot be found...
14:31<@themill>yeah, see what dpkg and judd both just said
14:31<Nik05>yeah :P
14:32<sney>hmm, no build on amd64
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14:32<dondelelcaro>sney: there's a +b2 package on amd64, actually
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14:34<Nik05>so there is no silverlight packages for debian?
14:34<Nik05>:)
14:34<sney>I guess not!
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14:36<tharkun>Gentlemen does anyone recomend an alternative search engine. Google is of lateley becoming totally useless and yahoo is resembling every day more the search results thrown by bing.
14:36<tharkun>Which is not precisely a good statement
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14:37<thewanderer1>tharkun: do you mind if it's gopher instead of HTTP instead? we all know the latter is full of crap, anyway :P
14:38<axe>tharkun, i use duckduckgo.com
14:38<tharkun>thewanderer1: i really don't care as long as it cuts the time i spend on line searching. :)
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14:39<tharkun>axe trying it now. Thanks
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14:40<thewanderer1>other than that, there is surfraw on Debian, which supposedly simplifies searching the Web and brings you the results faster...
14:42<tharkun>thewanderer1: thanks i'll install it and test it
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14:48<tharkun>axe: Thanks a lot. It is indeed far more efficient than any other i've used before.
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15:01<scinl>On my primary machine, I've just edited /etc/inittab to use fgetty instead of getty. I installed fgetty and replaced my "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" with "1:23:respawn:/sbin/fgetty tty1". I know there was recently an fgetty "checkusername" bug, which I am currently experiencing (logged into my laptop now because I cannot log into desktop with anything other than failsafe root)
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15:01<cirzgamanti>hi, does anybody know what the program to display IR codes was called? similar to 'showkey' for keyboard. i had my lirc install fixed, but it's not working again.
15:02<scinl>Should I make my fgetty call 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/fgetty tty1, or why don't guides online use 4 or 5 in fgetty setup?
15:04<aktiv[b]>,pciid [10ec:8168]
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15:04<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168
15:08<scinl>...adding runlevels 4 and 5 didn't change a thing. Has anybody else experienced the "check username" snafu with fgetty - did this bug break current fgetty configs or just people like me trying to set it up? Any info would be appreciated.
15:08<cirzgamanti>hm, it's 'irw', and it displays ok. seems to be a kde problem, i'll ask in #debian-kde
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15:14<thewanderer1>tharkun: btw. have you figured out yet how DuckDuckGo strips referrer when JS is disabled? I haven't, but am so far liking axe's suggestion
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15:16<cirzgamanti>maybe it's not a kde problem after all: while irw gives me codes, 'mode2 -d /dev/usb/hiddev1' (the correct device) says the device driver does not support the lirc ioctl interface :(
15:16<dhananjay>My debian wheezy laptop crashes during boot, saying ifconfig tainted, segmention fault. I then I'll have to hard reboot the system. I dont know how to obtain the log files about this crash.
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15:18<Nik05>should i use dpkg to install .deb packages?
15:19<Nik05>(if there aren't apt packages?
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15:19<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Probably not. Where did you get them?
15:20<dhananjay>How can I get logs from the previous boot process?
15:21<jhutchins_lt>dhananjay: Do you mean the one that resulted in the current session?
15:21<jhutchins_lt>!bootlog
15:21<dpkg>hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
15:22<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: What are you trying to do?
15:22<dhananjay>jhutchins_lt, No, the one I had to hard reset to recover from crash.
15:22<scinl>fgetty is broken because of new shadow hashes? sha512?
15:23<Nik05>im back jhutchins thanks for helping
15:23<Nik05>i want to install my printer drivers
15:23<jhutchins_lt>There's probably not much available.
15:23<Nik05>Printer: Brother DCP-375CW
15:23<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Where did you get them?
15:23<Nik05>http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/instruction_prn3.html
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15:25<jhutchins_lt>In this case it should be safe to install with dpkg -i <pkgfile>
15:25<Nik05>ok and not the -forceall?
15:26<Nik05>and where should i download the packages to?
15:26<Nik05>can i just do this in ~/Downloads?
15:26<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Yes, you'll need to use sudo or su - to install.
15:26<Nik05>euh that wasnt my question but ok thx :)
15:27<dhananjay>let me check if I can recreate crash and have some logs.
15:27<Nik05>can i install them from the ~/Downloads dir?
15:27<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: You can install them from anywhere.
15:28<Nik05>ok thank you for helping
15:28<aktiv[b]>ok, i loaded my wifi module with modprobe, set up ssid and psk in interfaces, but its not connecting, where do i look, how do i diagnose ?
15:28<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: You may find there are unresolvable dependencies, but since it's a multifunction best to go with the Brother drivers if you can.
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15:29<Nik05>damn they are 32bit packages....
15:29<jhutchins_lt>aktiv[b]: Does it show up in iwconfig?
15:29<Nik05>jhutchins can you install 32bit packages on 64bit?
15:29<jhutchins_lt>aktiv[b]: You need to use ifup to bring it up..
15:29<aktiv[b]>the interface shows up in ifconfig, iwconfig: command not found
15:29<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: My guess would be no, but you can see if it installs. I don't know 64b very well yet.
15:30<Nik05>i thought it was x86_64 so its compatible with x86
15:30<Nik05>no it doesnt install
15:30<jhutchins_lt>aktiv[b]: /sbin/iwconfig (preferrs to be root).
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15:31<aktiv[b]>no such file or dir
15:31<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: There are ways to do it, including a chroot, but I don't know them. Running a system-level driver might be impossible,
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15:31<jhutchins_lt>aktiv[b]: Hang on then..
15:32<jhutchins_lt>aktiv[b]: aptitude install wireless-tools
15:32<aktiv[b]>i dont have network :)
15:32<jhutchins_lt>!apt-zip
15:32<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
15:33<sney>or just put wireless-tools and its one or two dependencies on a usb drive and dpkg -i
15:33<jhutchins_lt>aktiv[b]: How did you install?
15:33<Nik05>damn chroot is not for beginners i think....
15:34<jhutchins_lt>sney: Know anything about using 32b drivers on a 64b system,
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15:35<aktiv[b]>cd1 dd onto usbstick, recovery install to unlock encrypted partitions
15:35<sney>jhutchins_lt: wouldn't work since they would have to match the kernel, afaik
15:35<sney>jhutchins_lt: unless it was some ndiswrapper kludge, and even then...
15:35<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Brother doesn't have source tarballs do they?
15:35<Nik05>so i can compile them? checking...
15:36<Nik05>http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_src.html
15:36<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: You might be able to find a ppd to print from cups, and you might luck out and get sane to handle the scanner.
15:37<Nik05>there are some pdd's but not for my model :(
15:38<Nik05>its a pearl driver i think...
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15:38<Nik05>aah C ;)
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15:39<Nik05>i can try to compile it..
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15:40<TuhinDeb>how to change how long grub waits before starting debian b default?
15:41<TuhinDeb>by*
15:41<Nik05>what do you mean with waits?/
15:41<Nik05>/etc/default/grub?
15:41<TuhinDeb>seconds within which i have to select a OS to boot
15:41<Nik05>i know that :)
15:42<Nik05>open /etc/default/grub
15:42<TuhinDeb>GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
15:42<Nik05>yep ;)
15:42<TuhinDeb>is that it?
15:42<aktiv[b]>ok, now wlan0 shows up in iwconfig, ESSID: off/any, EncKey: off, Accessptn not associated
15:42<Nik05>that are 5 seconds
15:42<aktiv[b]>ifup wlan0 does not connect
15:42<TuhinDeb>5 is set by default?
15:42<Nik05>yes
15:42<Nik05>you can change it to 1 or 2
15:43<TuhinDeb>i think itwaits for less than 1 second !
15:43<Nik05>what ever you want
15:43<Nik05>huh?>
15:43<TuhinDeb>i cant seem to get any chance to select another os
15:43<Nik05>ooh
15:43<TuhinDeb>i have keep pressing arrows before grub shows up
15:44<Nik05>have you made some changes in other grub files?
15:44<TuhinDeb>other wise it boots debian shoing grub boot select screen for a sec
15:44<TuhinDeb>nop
15:44<Nik05>without using update-grub?
15:44<TuhinDeb>i didnt run that either
15:44<Nik05>normally you change/etc/default/grub and start update-grub
15:45<TuhinDeb>GRUB_TIMEOUT=500
15:45<Nik05>what?
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15:45<TuhinDeb>now i have set 500
15:45<Nik05>500....
15:45<Nik05>lol
15:45<TuhinDeb>GRUB_DEFAULT=0 what is this
15:45<Nik05>that is the boot that start when you dont press anykeys
15:46<Nik05>in the list
15:46<TuhinDeb>where is the os list
15:46<Nik05>euh you can see it when you start grub.... and its in grub.cfg
15:46<Nik05>but dont make changes to grub.cfg
15:46<TuhinDeb>ok
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15:47<Nik05>but if you make changes to /etc/default/grub you need to run update-grub to let it work
15:47<Nik05>http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
15:47<TuhinDeb>ok
15:48<TuhinDeb>where is grub.cfg
15:48<Nik05>!tell TuhinDeb about grub2 config
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15:48<TuhinDeb>Warning! GRUB 2 is still beta software. Although it already ships with Ubuntu flavors, it is not yet production quality per se.
15:49<TuhinDeb>is that warning still valid
15:49<Nik05>dont know... but dont think so :P
15:49<Nik05>its in stable so it would probably work
15:49<Nik05>its not in beta ;)
15:50<sney>judd: versions grub-pc
15:50<judd>Package grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14; sid: 1.99~rc1-13; wheezy: 1.99~rc1-13
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15:50<TuhinDeb>hmm
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15:50<aktiv[b]>is there any way to check for and install missing packages, like aptitude install debian ?
15:50<Nik05>1.98 is stable release
15:50<sney>well, it doesn't *say* beta, but it doesn't say 2.0 yet either. either way, it works, and the only big thing missing is documentation
15:51<TuhinDeb>ok
15:51<@themill>TuhinDeb: is this what ubuntu is telling you or what debian is telling you? What versions are they using?
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15:51<sney>aktiv[b]: you mean install missing dependencies and fix broken stuff? aptitude -f install
15:51<TuhinDeb>i read that at http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html
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15:52<sney>TuhinDeb: if you scroll all the way down, you'll notice that article was last *updated* in December 2010, so it was written when? 09 maybe?
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15:53<TuhinDeb>ok
15:53<aktiv[b]>ok, that didn't find anything
15:53<TuhinDeb>i m on Debian 6.01 LXDE, how to install Gnome 2.3 or latest of classic
15:53<aktiv[b]>what do i need to install to connect to wifi in gnome, what does debian use, and what is the package name ?
15:54<TuhinDeb>!gnome
15:54<dpkg>GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
15:54<TuhinDeb>!install gnome
15:54<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
15:55<Nik05>aktiv[b], isnt debian using NetworkManager Applet?
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15:55<aktiv[b]>i have nothing, the only thing i have under administration is 'login screen'
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15:56<Nik05>!tell aktiv[b] about wireless
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15:56<TuhinDeb>what will happen if i never update my Debian 6.01 LXDE stable , but install software from testing repository
15:56<TuhinDeb>i think it will slowly turn into Debian Testing?
15:57<Nik05>lol i just compile a program for the first time :D
15:57<Nik05>compiled* and i dont know what its doing...
15:57<dvs>TuhinDeb: Yes, it's better to check backports first.
15:57<TuhinDeb> check backports first?
15:58<TuhinDeb>the installed software wouldnt work from testing?
15:58<dvs>!backports
15:58<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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16:00<TuhinDeb>is it safe to install from testing in stable debian?
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16:01<towo`>nothing is safe besides stable
16:01<@themill>TuhinDeb: that's an entirely unsupported and not recommended thing to do
16:01<TuhinDeb>ok
16:01<dvs>hence the backports....
16:01<TuhinDeb>in synaptic i see alots of driver for other gfx cards are there to be upgradeable why they got installed?
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16:04<dvs>TuhinDeb: because of xserver-xorg-video-all package
16:04<TuhinDeb>why they got instlaled when they r not needed
16:05<TuhinDeb>i ss driver from all manufacturers
16:05<TuhinDeb>see*
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16:08<nameless_>!mac
16:08<dpkg>[mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>.
16:08<nameless_>!apple
16:08<dpkg>[apple] a fruit, or Apple Inc. (formerly Apple Computer, Inc.), a consumer electronics and software company. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple . See also <airport>, <combo drive>, <hfs>, <hfsplus>, <imac>, <ipod>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <mac mini>, <open firmware>, <powerpc>, <quicktime>, <superdrive>. ##apple on irc.freenode.net.
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16:09<@themill>nameless_: feel free to "/msg dpkg apple" etc
16:09<Nik05>why is dpkg spamming here and not doing private messages?
16:09<nameless_>ok thanks
16:09<dvs>dpkg: what are you
16:09<dpkg>I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>.
16:09<Nik05>!infobot
16:09<dpkg>Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sf.net/ for more.
16:09<Nik05>:P
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16:09<@Ganneff>Nik05: use /msg
16:09<Nik05>yrah yeah i know
16:10<@Ganneff>and nameless_ too.
16:10<@Ganneff>and it spams here when asked here, UNLESS you asked to spam one in private ("tell foo about bar")
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16:11<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: We have both options so you can either get the information directly or you can make it a part of the general discussion.
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16:12<nameless_>Someone with debian installed on macbook here?
16:12<thomast>hi, where is the path variable stored? not to be found in .bashrc
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16:14<tesla_>Hello, I need some assistance. I have a couple of remote boxes that I was X-forwarding an application, I quit them and they are still running without the ability to kill them. I've pgrep'd the process and ran a pkill -9 PID to no avail. Any suggestions?
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16:15<jhutchins_lt>tesla_: pkill works on process names. Try kill -15 PID first, then try kill -9
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16:16<tesla_>tried, still won't die
16:17<nameless_>tesla_, if they are zombie processes, they can be killed only by rebooting the system
16:17<tesla_>The application in question is transmission.... How can I tell if it is a zombie process, I am using htop
16:17<aktiv[b]>how can i add a mounted iso as a source for apt ?
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16:18<retrospectacus>tesla_: yea if they won't die from kill -9 you should just forget about them
16:18<retrospectacus>tesla_: Z in the S column
16:18<retrospectacus>(state)
16:19<tesla_>well the problem is when I try to start them up again, it won't because it says the process is already started and needs to be killed before it can start again. But of course it won't let me kill it
16:19<tesla_>rebooting isn't an option unfortunately....
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16:19<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: deb file:/path/to/mounted/iso/ squeeze main etc. if my memory serves
16:20<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: that is the path to the mount point, not the iso file
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16:20<tesla_>and there is a 'D' in the 'S' column of htop for the application
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16:21<retrospectacus>hmmm I think that means it is waiting for the disk
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16:21<nameless_>tesla_, try to kill the process's father by using pstree to view where your process is
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16:22<retrospectacus>tesla_: "ps fax" will also organize its output in a tree structure, and includes PIDs
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16:23<aktiv[b]>retrospectacus: no, unfortunately not ..
16:23<nameless_>No one here with debian on mac?
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16:25<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: I think you may want "apt-cdrom"
16:25<retrospectacus>!apt-cdrom
16:25<dpkg>i heard apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>.
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16:26<aktiv[b]>retrospectacus: no, i've tried, it tries to mount cdrom, i can't get it to override with flags
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16:28<aktiv[b]>i can't say i'm to joyous about debian so far guys, worst install struggle i've ever had
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16:30<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: I have done it with the file:/path/ thing... maybe there are 2 or 3 / like deb file:///path/to/mountpoint
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16:30<TuhinDeb>i m in Debian LXDE 6.01 stable. when i select "reboot" the pc don't restart , it just reloads debian .......
16:31<SynrG>sounds like kexec-utils
16:31<TuhinDeb>is it normal?
16:31<SynrG>you were expecting to go back to the boot prompt?
16:31<aktiv[b]>retrospectacus: tx, but i'm going back to the installer again
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16:32<aktiv[b]>this is to fubar to bother to fix
16:32<TuhinDeb>i wanted to Restart to boot prompot yes
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16:32<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: ok.. what problems are you having during install?
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16:33<aktiv[b]>well, i dont get network during install, no prob, i finish the installer, reboots
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16:33<aktiv[b]>boot to gnome
16:34<TuhinDeb>so is it normal when reboot is clicked to just reload debian?
16:34<aktiv[b]>root pass is not set, my user is not in the system, so i add that manually
16:34<aktiv[b]>iwconfig not in the system
16:34<Nik05>jhutchins the printer drivers work :D
16:34<aktiv[b]>i set up load my wlan module, set up /etc/network/interfaces, not able to connect
16:34<thomast>actually, when i restart debian, it does the power-down part of the reboot, but doesn't actually reboot - i'm stuck with a black screen
16:34<Nik05>i just used the --force-architecture :)
16:35<dvs>aktiv[b]: A wireless install only works with WEP or no encryption.
16:35<jhutchins_lt>Nik05: Great!
16:35<TuhinDeb>i m in Debian LXDE 6.01 stable. when i select Logout>"reboot" the pc don't restart , it just reloads debian
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16:36<aktiv[b]>dvs: yeah, but i installed from cd-1, not a network dependent install
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16:36<SynrG>TuhinDeb: you asked that already. please don't re-ask
16:36<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: ifconfig is not in $PATH unless you are root
16:36<dvs>aktiv[b]: Did you get the firmware for your wireless card?
16:36*dvs bows aside
16:36<aktiv[b]>i had ifconfig, i did not have iwconfig, it was not in /sbin/ and i was root
16:36<TuhinDeb>so is that normal SynrG ?
16:37<SynrG>TuhinDeb: if it's kexec-utils, it is
16:37<TuhinDeb>or it is a bug?
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16:37<SynrG>it's a shortcut to restart the kernel
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16:37<aktiv[b]>dvs: yes, got the firmware
16:37<TuhinDeb>so how to "real Restart" ?
16:37<SynrG>!tell TuhinDeb about kexec
16:37<retrospectacus>TuhinDeb: sudo reboot
16:38<aktiv[b]>in gnome, i had no admin utils, only 'login screen'
16:38<aktiv[b]>is that normal ?
16:38<TuhinDeb>ok thanks
16:38<SynrG>TuhinDeb: ah, sorry, it's called kexec-tools. anyway, see the msg dpkg bot sent you
16:39<TuhinDeb>ctrl+alt+backspace does the same thing right?
16:39<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: it depends what you chose in the tasksel step of the install
16:39<SynrG>TuhinDeb: no
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16:40<TuhinDeb>hmm so 1 restarts kernel and another restarts xorg
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16:40<SynrG>yes
16:40<SynrG>except now ctrl-alt-bksp is disabled by default
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16:40<SynrG>unless you configure it otherwise
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16:41<aktiv[b]>retrospectacus: desktop, dbserver, sshserver
16:41<aktiv[b]>what do i need to select to get a network connection management tool
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16:42<dvs>aktiv[b]: wireless-tools for iwconfig
16:42<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: that should pull in synaptic at least
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16:42<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: nm-applet
16:42<aktiv[b]>look, i'll just do it from the top
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16:43<aktiv[b]>this is not your fault, and i'm a bit on edge and frustrated at the moment, so let me have another go, ok
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16:48<pooky>hello room
16:48<dvs>!room
16:48<dpkg>CHANNEL!
16:49<retrospectacus>!beer pooky
16:49*dpkg pulls out an excellent Delirium Tremens for pooky
16:50<pooky>well thank you retrospectacus
16:51<babilen>pooky: And welcome to the #debian channel :)
16:51<retrospectacus>I'll put it on your tab
16:52<pooky>werd so hows everyone today
16:52<pooky>ty babilen
16:52<babilen>pooky: You are welcome, but note that this is not a chat channel (we have #debian-offtopic and #moocows for that) :)
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17:00<aktiv[b]>i need dm-crypt during installation, what installation option should i choose ?
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17:03<Dennis>Okay, I think I might have a serious problem. Two times during the past hour, my server has completely shut off. It has stopped responding, apache (and therefore my website) is not responding, ssh gives me timeout and nothing else on the server is working.
17:03<Dennis>Doesn't that sound very much like an attack?
17:03<dondelelcaro>Dennis: can't know without more information
17:04<Dennis>hmm.. Alright, what would you like to know?
17:04<dondelelcaro>Dennis: do you have a serial console? how do you know that it shut off?
17:04<dondelelcaro>or do you mean that you just were unable to contact it via network?
17:04<dondelelcaro>do you have physical access to the machine?
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17:05<Dennis>It's a quad-core server, VPS. 2 GB ram. The average CPU load is around 1.03, 1.20, 1.00 (approx.) . It's using about 10-15% of the RAM and approx 5-8% CPU
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17:05<Dennis>I do not have physical access to the machine, no
17:05<Dennis>And when I say shut off I mean that I can't connect to it in any way
17:05<retrospectacus>Dennis: how do you know that load and stuff
17:05<Dennis>I checked it with top
17:05<Dennis>Before it shut off
17:05<tharkun>thewanderer1: no, i haven't even looked at how JS works on duckduckgo I am in a rush to fix some stuff
17:05<dondelelcaro>Dennis: if it's a VPS, you should have serial console to it
17:06<Dennis>I am not aware of a serial console.. What is it exactly?
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17:07<tharkun>Dennis: Some off bandwith way of accessing your server through a webpage usually available from your vps provider
17:07<dondelelcaro>Dennis: it's a console (kind of like ssh) which uses the serial port instead of a network to communicate with the machine
17:07<dondelelcaro>Dennis: since this is a VPS, they generally offer that or some other KVM-like solution
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17:08<dondelelcaro>alternatively, since it is a VPS, your hosting provider should be able to give you some information as to what is going on with the machine while it is unreachable
17:09<tharkun>Dennis: some VPS providers have watchdog options that will restart your server if it fubars of some ways. The fastest way to get info on that is the VPS support channel on IRC if they have one.
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17:09<retrospectacus>Dennis: what happened to your ssh connection when it died? Connection closed? Timed out?
17:10<Dennis>dondelelcaro: I have contacted my VPS provider and asked them what have happened. I'm awaiting their reply.
17:11<Dennis>retrospectacus: It just stopped working, and then I closed the terminal window and opened a new to try to connect again, and then it'll take 30 seconds and it'll say ssh: connect to host 62.75.155.106 port 22: Operation timed out
17:12<tharkun>Dennis: Have you tested your name resolution?
17:12<Dennis>my what?
17:13<tharkun>If you can ping your machine using your domain name like ping yahoo.com
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17:14*tharkun thinks Dennis problem is far bigger than a simple server
17:14<retrospectacus>it sounds like a network or VPS problem at the host
17:14<Dennis>Oh, I can't ping my domain nor my IP address, tharkun
17:14<Dennis>Or I can.. But it times out
17:15<tharkun>Dennis: if you ping your name do you get your ip address?
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17:15<Dennis>If I ping my website address I get my IP address, yes. If that's what you mean
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17:16<tharkun>yes i meant that. Sounds like the RDNS is fubar also. But that is minor stuff
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17:17<tomas_>hola
17:17<Dennis>So.. You don't think it's an attack, but maybe a problem at my VPS provider?
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17:17<tomas_>hello
17:19<retrospectacus>hello tomas_, do you have a debian question?
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17:20<tharkun>Dennis: Hard to tell without beeing in front of the machine. You will have to wait for them to fire up your server again if you can't do it. When you have it up and running you will have to take a look at your logs and collect the usual suspects so you can have an idea of what was wrong.
17:22<thomast>when i download firefox, i put it inside /opt, but /opt/firefox/firefox produces an error: firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
17:22<Dennis>tharkun: Yeah, I guess that's correct. But.. I can restart it from the providers website. I did that the first time it shut off, but then about 10 minutes after it shut off again
17:22<daemonkeeper>What's wrong with Iceweasel for you?
17:22<retrospectacus>thomast: that kind of foolishness is not supported here. Just use iceweasel
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17:23<Nik05>i think he wants firefox4...
17:23<daemonkeeper>So?
17:23<thomast>retrospectacus: excuse me? "foolishness" if i wanted to use iceweasel, i would.... DING SING! thanks Nik05
17:23<daemonkeeper>mozilla.debian.net ...
17:24<thomast>if i wanted to use iceweasel... i would. however i do not.
17:24<thomast>so, why can't i use proper firefox, not some other program labelled as firefox
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17:24<daemonkeeper>Well, then let's finish this discussion now.
17:24<devil>thomast: what is the difference?
17:24<Nik05>you can use it but it in the debian packages lib
17:24<tharkun>Dennis: The restart your server and try to take a look at your logs while you can. Or set up a pair of iptables rules so you can protect your website and your whole server for forensic purposes
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17:24<retrospectacus>thomast: k, have fun...
17:25<Nik05>only "free" packages are in the debian lib
17:25<thomast>retrospectacus: excuse me?
17:25<rking>daemonkeeper: That's a smart way to do the config/install script thing (mozilla.debian.net)
17:25<rking>thomast: installing 3rd party software isn't going to be supported. Why would it be?
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17:26<Nik05>euh rking its supported...
17:26<daemonkeeper>Its not.
17:26<Nik05>no?
17:26<rking>Nik05: Installed into /opt ??
17:26<thomast>rking: so really, a huge hack of firefox is supported, but firefox is not
17:26<tomas_>hello if I have a question and how I can download music from my ubuntu 11.04?
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17:26<thomast>so... why is that kind of foolishness supported
17:26<devil>huge hack?
17:26<Dennis>tharkun: I've shut it down now, because it's getting kind of late and I have to go to bed to be able to get up in the morning. However, about the iptables, I have wanted to get into that for a long time, but have never got the time to learn it (since it's quite comprehensive). What would I do to secure my server for forensic purposes?
17:26<rking>thomast: I thought iceweasel was just a rebranding to take out the copyrighted graphics
17:26<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell thomast about why iceweasel
17:27<Dennis>Or should I just keep it shut down for the night?
17:27<daemonkeeper>Its not a "huge" hack
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17:27<retrospectacus>thomast, iceweasel *IS* firefox. What you are trying is foolishness
17:27<tharkun>Dennis: allow only ssh and drop everything else until you can get a hold of an image of your server and ferry it to other server where you can do the analisys
17:27<jhutchins_lt>Dennis: Leave it shut down for now.
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17:28<thomast>retrospectacus: not explaining the foolishness is.... uhm, foolishness
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17:28<jhutchins_lt>Dennis: Here's some basics on IP Tables for tomorrow: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
17:28<jhutchins_lt>Dennis: Working on stuff when you're too tired is a great way to loose everything.
17:28<Dennis>Thanks a lot tharkun & jhutchins_lt :) I will read up on that tomorrow
17:28<daemonkeeper>This discussion is off-topic here, and you are not interested in Iceweasel, so please do whatever you want, but please respect, we can't support external software sources.
17:28<tharkun>thomast: the big hack is what everybody around here uses. Undoing the big hack is and figuring out how it is supposed to work on a nonstandard place. Is not what the average user does
17:28<Dennis>Yeah, that's so very correct, jhutchins_lt
17:29<Dennis>I will just leave it shut down for now and take a look at it tomorrow. Thank you for the great support :)
17:29<scinl>I tried accessing a website once that wouldn't let me because I was using IceWeasel instead of FireFox. I installed FireFox on Debian Squeeze when Squeeze was Testing. It was such foolishness that I went back to IceWeasel and just changed my info to make it LOOK to the aforementioned site like I was using FireFox.
17:29<Dennis>And good night
17:29<thomast>calling this huge hack "firefox", when it is not is also foolishness
17:29<retrospectacus>thomast: you have firefox. You're trying to install firefox
17:29<thomast>wow, i've never used that word so much
17:29<thomast>retrospectacus: no i don't. i have iceweasel
17:29<retrospectacus>thomast: it is not a hack. it is firefox with a blue logo
17:30<thomast>and a different name
17:30<daemonkeeper>Really, discuss this somewhere else.
17:30<thomast>and different string id's
17:30<scinl>http://urukrama.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/changing-the-iceweasel-icons/
17:30<retrospectacus>you can easily change all that
17:30<thomast>but i don't
17:30<thomast>i want to change the program
17:30<thomast>why should this be so difficult
17:31<tharkun>thomast: i am sure if you use the proper search engine you will find your answer more hastily than arguing in this channel.
17:31<scinl>thomast; it's so difficult because you refuse to use the easy solution.
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17:31<retrospectacus>because firefox ™ is not included in debian
17:32<thomast>retrospectacus: that itself is not the issue. and we both know that
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17:32<thomast>tharkun: you're right. i have not used google to try to find my solution. of course i have.
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17:32<jhutchins_lt>thomast: When you have learned more about free software and software licensing you'll understand it better. Until then, deal.
17:33<tharkun>thomast: that is your problem use the proper search engine
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17:33<thomast>jhutchins_lt: uhm, i don't care about "free software"... i can dl ff for free, and i want to add it debian. what else is there to learn there. i hope you understand the problem better
17:33<thomast>deal.
17:33<retrospectacus>thomast: you may try apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
17:34<ku>Hi. In the same mode in Ubuntu (x86) and debiani (x64) I get a different CPU temp.: 58-60 for Debian and 51-52 for ubuntu. Is it problem of amd64? Or do I need a newer kernel?
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17:35<scinl>ku; what does "$ uname -r" on each distro yield?
17:35<daemonkeeper>ku: Linux 2.6.38 (or so) has known problems with interrupt handling (i.e. it too often wakes up)
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17:36<daemonkeeper>ku: Note this is an Ubuntu problem, and therefore not supported here. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
17:36<Nik05>do you guys know who i get use mono sound on vlc?
17:36<Nik05>im watching stargate SG-1 and the stereo sound is really annoying...
17:37<Nik05>talking on right and rest on left...
17:37<ku>thanks ... but the temperature in the lower in ubuntu
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17:38<scinl>Nik05; SG-1 is not supported in #debian iirc.. only original Stargate. Thanks.
17:38<ku>There is 2.6.38 in ubuntu and,seems, 2.6.36 in debian
17:38<retrospectacus>hehe
17:38<daemonkeeper>Debian has 2.6.32
17:38<Nik05>lol scinl :P
17:39<scinl>Nik05; Recently had a SIMILAR issue but not exactly what you describe. I got alsamixer via alsa-utils and messed around with volumes and the "M" key in alsamixer and fixed it by trial\error.
17:40<ku>2.6.32, ok. Does kernel make temp different?
17:41<Nik05>its not the video file scinl?
17:41<daemonkeeper>Only if its buggy. For you, since temperature is roughly the same, you may just have a bit more workload on one distribution
17:42<jhutchins_lt>Ah, youth.
17:42<ku>daemonkeeper i have clean awesome in debian and full DE in ubuntu =)
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17:45<thomast>retrospectacus: thanks but negatory :( or, do i have to restart x?
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17:46<Nik05>scinl is it possible there are 4 channels and i only hear 2?
17:47<scinl>Nik05; I wish I knew, that's really my only suggestion - your issue is beyond my experience. I'm not really a multimedia guy.
17:47<Nik05>ok
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17:48<weedeater64>Nik05: you got alsamixer ?
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17:48<Nik05>euh dont know
17:50<Nik05>how can i see weedeater64
17:50<retrospectacus>thomast: nope. It saying the same error?
17:50<nyov>Nik05: have you messed with vlc settings already? maybe it's a vlc specific setting? tried mplayer or similar?
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17:50<retrospectacus>Nik05: run alsamixer in the terminal
17:50<Nik05>no didnt changed anything
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17:51<Nik05>yep i have alsamixer
17:51<thomast>retrospectacus: aye: /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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17:51<retrospectacus>Nik05: you can try messing around in there with the arrow keys and "M" for mute - esc. to quit
17:52<weedeater64>alsamixergui is also available
17:52<weedeater64># alsactl init
17:52<retrospectacus>thomast: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 exists though right
17:53<weedeater64>to configure
17:53<retrospectacus>(should be a symlink to libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.3)
17:53<Nik05>how do i get it up in the taskbar?
17:53<thomast>retrospectacus: yep
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17:53<Nik05>cause there is a speaker right now but it isnt pavucontrol or alsamixer
17:53<thomast>retrospectacus: you think PATH is screwy?
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17:54<retrospectacus>thomast: no
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17:54<weedeater64>Nik05: install alsamixer gui, then navigate to it in menu, and right click, add to panel
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17:55<retrospectacus>thomast: you have installed some 3rd party software in some strange place and it doesn't work with your system. If you'd just use the version that is re-packaged for debian, it would work fine
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17:56<scisteffan>hi there - J/W how would I scan using AcquireImages (on KDE) from an Epson SX415? Printing in CUPS works fine
17:57<nyov>what's the easiest way to get a 64bit userland on a 32bit machine? :C Any voodoo stuff? debootstrap, rsync data + dpkg selections?
17:58<weedeater64>'it would work fine' seems open to some discussion.
17:58<retrospectacus>nyov: what makes you think that is possible? I don't believe it is.
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17:59<retrospectacus>weedeater64: yes apparently he cannot browse with iceweasel, only Firefox™ ... forgive me for being extremely skeptical
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18:01<thomast>retrospectacus: i haven't installed anything though, i just downloaded the tar, and unpacked it
18:03<nyov>retrospectacus: well I only got a 32bit notebook available here, and the idea was to "clone"/convert my work environment onto that thing. so it has to be possible
18:03<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: I think he said he encountered one site that rejected the browser ID string.
18:03<thomast>retrospectacus: ia32-libnss3 and ia32-libs-gtk and it works
18:03<retrospectacus>the browser UA string can be set in about:config
18:03<weedeater64>thomast: there is a 'howto install real firefox' on http://forums.debian.net
18:03<retrospectacus>or one of those UA-faker plugins
18:04<thomast>nyov: clonezilla?
18:04<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: Of course it can, but you need a brain to do that.
18:04<jhutchins_lt>nyov: THat's just not going to work.
18:04<thomast>jhutchins_lt: your insults of people are weak. you should have paid more attention to "insulting people" lessons at school.
18:05<nyov>thomast: hahaha, ...wait are you serious?
18:05<jhutchins_lt>nyov: amd64 has support for i386, but i386 doesn't have support for amd64.
18:05<jhutchins_lt>thomast: At least I graduated.
18:05<thomast>nyov: oh, you want 64bit os on a 32bit os? go out and enjoy the sunshine instead
18:05<nyov>jhutchins_lt: that's why I thought about dpkg --get-selections, dpkg --set-selections on the 32bit machine, and reinstall the packages. should work, no?
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18:06<thomast>well thanks for the weak insults everyone, and thanks for the attempt of help retrospectacus ;)
18:06<retrospectacus>nyov: nope. Your 64bit machine has packages not available on x86
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18:06<nyov>except for ia32- stuff, idk how that would fail
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18:06<jhutchins_lt>nyov: Well, you should get the 32b versions of the same programs that way, to the extent it's possible.
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18:07<nyov>well it's certainly gonna be some mess to clean up after :<
18:07<retrospectacus>nyov: you may be able to setup a similar environment, but it won't be a "64-bit userland"
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18:08<jhutchins_lt>nyov: it should actually work fairly well.
18:08<nyov>retrospectacus: oh no it's not supposed to be, i know that won't work. just make my work environment usable on a 32bit box
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18:10<retrospectacus>well depending on the actual components of your "work environment" it probably will work OK.
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18:10<jhutchins_lt>nyov: If you end up having to use a different program on 32b, chances are you can use that program on 64 as well, so ... harmony!
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18:11<retrospectacus>nyov: /msg dpkg debian clone for the steps
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18:12<nyov>retrospectacus: thanks, i'm familiar with the process. was just hoping for maybe any better options
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18:13<aktiv[b]>ok, i have just finished the rescue install, it's ready to reboot
18:13<aktiv[b]>can i start a normal install from here
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18:13<retrospectacus>well your original question about copying 64bit libraries def. won't work, anyways
18:13<aktiv[b]>for example, i have not made a user yet
18:13<GothSpark>hi all I am working on my issue of my sound card onto debian stable is there something to do I tryed this http://www.debian-fr.org/son-sur-prise-casque-et-enceinte-squeeze-acer-7740-t31476.html#p318162 but didn't got any luck :(
18:13<nyov>note to self: yeah, get a 64bit machine. darn
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18:15<sney>amd64 has been around long enough that you should be able to find one for not too much
18:15<nyov>retrospectacus: hm just to write over that. I can't be bothered to sort out whats user data and whats system stuff, right now. ok maybe leave out /usr from the rsync
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18:16<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: what are you asking?
18:16<nyov>ok I'll get to it now. let's see how that fares. thanks for the comments
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18:17<retrospectacus>nyov: GL:)
18:17<sney>GothSpark: what sound card? snd-hda-intel?
18:17<GothSpark>snd-hda-intel5 to be precise :3
18:18<sney>my french is pretty awful, but it looks like you already rebuilt alsa?
18:18<aneslin>ops
18:18<aneslin>am here again
18:19<GothSpark>sney yes I did , but at the reboot I got a kernel crash :/ so I am running the last stable one ( that came when you install)
18:19<sney>GothSpark: so what's the issue? levels unmuted and no sound?
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18:20<aktiv[b]>retrospectacus: the rescue install is not a full install, is it ?
18:20<sney>GothSpark: just so you know, there is also a #debian-fr channel
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18:21<retrospectacus>aktiv[b]: don't know, I haven't been down that road
18:21<sney>the rescue option in the installer is not an "install", it's just a prompt you can use to fix your system, iirc
18:22<GothSpark>well the sound is ok only on the speakers when I plug in my headphones I only have the speakers working ( why they are still working) and not a single sound from the headphone ,
18:22<sney>GothSpark: is that a regular headphone or usb?
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18:22<GothSpark>regular one :3
18:22<sney>hmmm
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18:23<aktiv[b]>sney: yes, and how can i now do a normal install. i had crypted disks and needed dm-crypt to do an install, so the only install option was rescue
18:23<sney>sorry aktiv[b] I don't know anything about installing to encrypted disks... my only guess would be to mount them from something that can read the encryption, and debootstrap
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18:24<aktiv[b]>ah
18:24<aktiv[b]>debootstrap
18:24<aktiv[b]>exactly what i was looking for, thanks :)
18:25<sney>it's pretty great!
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18:27<Kilhd>Hi, if I have a NTFS parition mounted on debian, can I share that over home network to where windows PCs can read it?
18:28<sney>yes, with samba
18:28<Black_Prince>Oh hell ... Microsoft bought Skype. I guess they will now drop this poor linux support :O
18:29<GothSpark>bad news for us :(
18:30<sney>well, hopefully someone can reverse-engineer the protocol
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18:30<Black_Prince>Yeah, like windows live messenger protocol ... But there are still some features unavailable
18:30<weedeater64>something wrong with ekiga ?
18:30<Kilhd>I tried to setup samba, but none of the windows machines can access the linux shares. I'm sure I screwed it up somewhere.
18:30<phdeswer>Hopefully it will disappear and people will finally start to use secure and standards compliant voip stuff
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18:31<sney>Kilhd: iirc, samba.conf has a good manpage, give it a read
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18:31<sney>anyway, discussions about skype should probably go to #debian-offtopic
18:31<Black_Prince>phdeswer, like ekiga?
18:32<meow>meow
18:32<phdeswer>Black_Prince, well ekiga could work. Although I am sure better things can be found.
18:32<weedeater64>Kilhd: I think the first here, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=samba+share
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18:32<phdeswer>And ekiga is in Debian ;)
18:32<Black_Prince>We'll wait and see
18:33<meow>or there www.google.com and searching for samba share ^^"
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18:33<Planet8>I can run the command "kdesu" in KDE when I press ALT+F2, but if I run the same command in Konsole I get "Command not found"
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18:34<Kilhd>Thanks for the info. When I installed debian, the ntfs was automatically mounted as type "fuseblk" Shouldn't it be some other type for windows to find it?
18:34<sney>nope, fuse is what you need for sane ntfs access
18:35<Planet8>And pressing "Display" in System Settings makes the system settings crash. Damn squeeze is buggy!
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18:35<Kilhd>Oh, ok. I'll go read some more then.
18:36<Black_Prince>I used this article for setting up samba share http://2tap.com/2007/04/22/sharing-files-between-a-windows-guest-and-ubuntu-host-using-vmware-and-samba/
18:36<sney>Planet8: kde issues are best addressed in #debian-kde, they're the experts
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18:36<Planet8>sney, thanks, didn't know that channel.
18:36<sney>np
18:37<bluenemo>why isnt this working? i get double numbers :( cat /dev/urandom | strings | grep '[0-9]\{2\}' | sed "s/[^0-9]//g" | cut -c 1-2 | egrep '01|03|06|09|12|12|14|15|18|21|24|35|43|50|54|64|66|75|77|81|88|94|97|98|99' | uniq -u | head -n 25
18:38<meow>meow GothSpark I think you must get Kubuntu to see if your sound works I have a dout but ... you told me it was working fine under ubuntu but not on mint and on debian . it's time to try ;)
18:38<aktiv[b]>sney: seriously, debootstrap, that is sooo sexy
18:38<sney>meow: please refrain from telling people to go use other distros when you're in the official support channel.
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18:39<meow>ooo , sorry , just wanted to help
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18:40<Black_Prince>I guess he wanted to help Canonical ...
18:40<GothSpark>O.o I left those monkey since they had put unity by default
18:40<sney>good decision
18:41<@themill>bluenemo: uniq doesn't sort the output. check man uniq
18:41<Black_Prince>I left them when 10.04 came out ... It was too bloated for my hardware
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18:42<GothSpark>oo for me it was running just fine but ,,, now on debian I see that they just tweak over tweak , mmm any idea on how can fix compiz ? think I am missing some dependency
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18:44<weedeater64>ack ack rhythmbox opening and connecting to a store, ack ack
18:44<weedeater64>buntu the next M$
18:45<GothSpark>mandriva is same as ubuntu in that way :/
18:45*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
18:46<Black_Prince>Oh, when you mentioned rhythmbox, does anyone know why rhythmbox random order play isn't playing random like it should. It plays 20 out of 100 songs and then loops them again in random order :o
18:46<GothSpark>miss codded but this is off topic x)
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18:47<Black_Prince>Strange thing is, rhythmbox 2.91.4 does not have that problem ...
18:48<weedeater64>No, but mplayer performs very well in that regard.
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18:48<Black_Prince>Yeah, mplayer, vlc, totem ... But I like rhythmbox because I can put it to tray and forget about it ...
18:49<GothSpark>I prefer audacious , it has a more friendly user interface as skined as gtk it is a worth to try
18:49<weedeater64>Tray ?
18:49<Black_Prince>Notification area ... I call it tray (Windows user)
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18:51<GothSpark>oo , I got no window border O.o
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18:53<retrospectacus>GothSpark: reload your window manager or decorator
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18:54<weedeater64>I usually just place this irssi window on top of the mplayer up in top left, http://members.cox.net/jeff_pugh/2011-05-10-185039_1600x900_scrot.png
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18:56<Black_Prince>*sigh* I prefer gui
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18:56*Black_Prince is heavy gnome user
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18:56<Black_Prince>But, downloading audacious ... I'll see what does it look like
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19:04<emilio>hola
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19:04<aktiv[b]>sney: after debootstrapping i chrooted into the new system and set up crypttab and fstab etc, i then did aptitude install gnome, and aptitude complains about 'untrusted packages' .. what does that mean ?
19:05<Black_Prince>aktiv[b], is debian-archive-keyring installed in bootstraped system?
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19:06<aktiv[b]>Black_Prince: yes
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19:06<aktiv[b]>do i need to add anything in sources.list? it currently has only one line
19:07<Black_Prince>aktiv[b] and you ran aptitude (apt-get) update ?
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19:08<aktiv[b]>Black_Prince: no :) tx!
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19:17<Black_Prince>Is there any other application for database management like OOo Base ?
19:18<sney>mysql?
19:18<Black_Prince>Yeah
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19:23<nyov>Black_Prince: MySQL Administrator maybe? just a guess - don't know Base
19:24<Black_Prince>Doh, nvm
19:24<Black_Prince>I'll use phpmyadmin when necesary
19:25<nyov>then maybe rather MySQL Query Browser
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19:25<nyov>mysql-admin or mysql-query-browser, respectively
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19:29<Black_Prince>I use it to create databases only. Anyways, thank you
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19:43<nyov>Black_Prince: http://screenshots.debian.net/screenshots/m/mysql-admin/1639_large.png
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19:46<Black_Prince>Looks nice.
19:46<Black_Prince>I'll try it.
19:47<Black_Prince>gah, it requires connection to a server.
19:47<Black_Prince>I'll do it again like I was doing it before. Via phpmyadmin on remote server.
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20:20<zk>i have a ATI Radeon 9550 video card. should i install the xf86-video-ati-6.14.1 driver from x.org or just stick with my current drivers? i just finished a fresh install of debian
20:21<Black_Prince>You need xserver-xorg-video-radeon package.
20:21<quant>zk, if the performance of the current (FOSS) driver is what you find satisfactory, I recommend to keep it
20:22<quant>zk, most all or all 2D things work perfectly, but if you need 3D, you might want the proprietary driver
20:22<dvs>not really anymore
20:22<Black_Prince>And I guess you'll need firmware-linux-nonfree package if you want direct rendering with foss driver.
20:22<zk>quant, the proprietary driver from ati does not support my video card
20:23<quant>zk, ah... sorry then
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20:23<zk>i found this post http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=55758
20:24<zk>where there is a link to radeon driver from x.org
20:24<Black_Prince>radeon driver is already in debian repositories. No need to download it from x.org
20:24<chealer>zk: which Debian suite do you use?
20:25<zk>chealer: Debian Squeeze
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20:26<chealer>zk: what are your current drivers?
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20:26<zk>chealer: i don't know...i just finished installing debian...how can i see my drivers?
20:27<Black_Prince>zk: fglrx does support ATI Radeon 9550
20:28<chealer>zk: X doesn't have much GUI, but you can check (or provide us) its log
20:28<sney>Black_Prince: really? I thought it dropped support for everything older than HD2000... or did you mean does *not*
20:29<Black_Prince>Newer one does not, but older one does.
20:29<sney>zk: also, for full 3d functionality with the free driver, you need firmware-linux-nonfree
20:29<quant>zk, if there is no particular reason for chaning the current driver, keep it :)
20:30<quant>sney, does that relate to newer Radeon cards as well?
20:30<zk>quant: i get poor flash rendering...skipping frames...
20:30<chealer>Black_Prince: only quite old versions would
20:31<Black_Prince>Yeah, I see
20:31<quant>zk, I think that's not related to your driver in question, but others might correct me
20:31<Black_Prince>version 8.x.x does support that card
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20:31<Black_Prince>zk: like me and sney told you, you need firmware-linux-nonfree package
20:32<sney>quant: firmware-linux-nonfree is required for 3d support with any card supported by the free radeon driver.
20:32<Black_Prince>and flashplugin-nonfree for better flash (default debian instalation uses gnash, doh)
20:32<quant>make sure to remove gnash before that, though... and have the browsers closed while doing it
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20:33<zk>ok...i'll take a look around and get back to you
20:33<quant>sney, ubuntu and that gang install that package by default, right?
20:34<dvs>zk: wouldn't your /var/log/xorg.0.log tell you what drivers were used?
20:34<sney>quant: afaik, ubuntu doesn't bother to remove non-free firmware from xorg at all
20:34<quant>sney, yeah, figured
20:35<sney>and yes, Xorg.0.log shows what driver is used
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20:38<quant>sney, I was reading the aptitude info on that package, and I don't see my card listed (radeon hd 3600 series)... except if it's one of those "rvxxx" ones
20:39<quant>ok, I think it is rv635, nevermind
20:39<zk>http://pastebin.com/mtCEX2ez here is my xorg.0.log
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20:40<sney>quant: it supports everything up to the hd 5000 series, so yeah, it's just one of the r codes. wikipedia has a list of them, yours is probably an r5something
20:42<quant>sney, so all those blobs that were left out of Debian in Squeeze can be, if needed, added through this package (I'm talking about wifi too etc.)?
20:43<sney>a lot of them are, yeah. some wifi firmware is in other packages though, like the broadcom and intel stuff
20:43<sney>for firmware use during the install (netinst over wifi) there is a special installer image that includes the firmware by default
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20:44<quant>sney, so all the blobs that ubuntu and distros like that use by default can be obtained from repositories if somebody deems it necessary, right?
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20:45<sney>yep!
20:45<quant>sney, good solution
20:46<sney>well, except the ones that need to be carved out of the windows drivers, but that's just broadcom and it's still acheivable through apt
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20:47<dvs>zk: It's using the radeon driver. Make sure that the firmware-linux-nonfree package is installed.
20:48<zk>i've installed that. i'll reboot now
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20:52<zk>back, but with no difference
20:53<sney>zk: install mesa-utils and run glxinfo |grep -i direct
20:54<zk>sney: direct rendering: Yes
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20:55<sney>zk: run glxgears from a terminal and say what fps it outputs
20:56<zk>sney: 41 fps
20:57<sney>hmm, that's definitely not working properly
20:57<sney>glxgears *should* give you fps in the 600s at least with that gpu
20:58<sney>can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net/ and link it?
20:58<zk>http://pastebin.com/mtCEX2ez
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20:59<sney>zk: hmm, is this an agp card?
21:00<zk>yes
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21:00<sney>is the module agpgart loaded?
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21:01<sney>hmm, they may have renamed it, hold
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21:04<sney>zk: also, is libdrm-radeon1 installed?
21:05<quant>sney, how come I can run glxgears (350 FPS) without that package?
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21:05<sney>quant: which package? and, probably you have a faster cpu and better memory bandwidth
21:06<zk>sney: libdrm-radeon1 is installed
21:06<quant>sney, firmware-linux-nonfree (because you said that I need it for 3D support under FOSS driver)
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21:07<sney>glxgears is simple enough to run in software only. it just doesn't do it as well.
21:07<quant>or is it just running on the CPU?
21:07<quant>ah, right
21:07<dvs>quant: glxinfo | grep -i direct
21:07<sney>dvs: he did, glxinfo reports yes, xorg.0.log reports direct rendering disabled
21:07<quant>direct rendering: Yes
21:08<dvs>o_O
21:08<sney>I've seen this one before but I don't remember what fixed it
21:08<sney>and the fact that agpgart is missing worries me
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21:09<zk>where can i see the modules? /etc/modules.conf is empty
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21:09<nyov>zk: lsmod
21:10<sney>lsmod shows loaded modules, /lib/modules contains all available modules
21:12<zk>lsmod - no agpgart listed
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21:16<sney>yeah, it looks like they just built it into the kernel anyway
21:16<sney>I have to go but I might be back on in half an hour, if I have more ideas then I'll let you kno
21:16<zk>ook
21:16<zk>thanks
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21:29<quant>ok http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo mentions configuring xorg.conf after installing firmware-linux-nonfree, do I need to do that?
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21:31<dvs>quant: no
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21:32<quant>dvs, glxgears is now showing 1000-1500 fps, so I'm all set up for full 2D/3D performance that I can get from the FOSS driver?
21:33<dvs>quant: looks good
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21:33<quant>dvs, I'm just curious, why don't I need to edit xorg.conf?
21:33<quant>dvs, I just want to understand it
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21:35<dvs>quant: dunno. Xorg should select the driver automatically.
21:36<quant>dvs, ok, last question, does this look ok too: # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set
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21:37<dvs>quant: that DOESN'T look ok. That's what should give you your accelerated video.
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21:37<dvs>that and CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS
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21:39<quant>dvs: I have this: CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=m CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set
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21:39<quant>dvs, so how come glxinfo and everything looks ok? :)
21:39<quant>I mean, glxgears
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21:42<dvs>quant: oops. Got my modules mixed up. CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is OK. CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS allows you to use graphics without X.
21:43<quant>dvs, ok, so basically I'm fine then?
21:43<dvs>quant: yes
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21:43<quant>dvs, ok, nice... just strange that debian states that kms is set for radeon since squeeze while it's not
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21:44<jhutchins_lt>We're starting to get xorg drivers that expect kms support. Intel in particular won't run without it.
21:44<jhutchins_lt>(Which is fun, because it crashes the system for some Intel chipsets.)
21:45<quant>what exactly do I get from kms support while doing normal 2D/3D operations under X?
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21:50<quant>ok, thanks all, good night
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21:57<jhutchins_lt>Additional processor load, but oh well.
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22:04<zk>sney are you back?
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22:05<zk>i managed to get my card to go to >400 fps guys
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22:07<jhutchins_lt>zk: ~250 here on an Acer One netbook (Intell)
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22:08<dvs>~350 HD4200
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22:10<zk>one problem solved...now...i have no sound
22:11<dvs>zk: lsmod | grep snd
22:11<zk>i go to volume control i get Device: Intel ICH5 (Alsa mixer) - volume to 100% but no sound
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22:12<zk>dvs: what should i look for using lsmod | grep snd?
22:13<dvs>zk: any output
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22:13<dvs>preferably lines that start with "snd"
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22:15<zk>dvs: http://paste.debian.net/116591/
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22:16<dvs>ok, only one sound output
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22:16<dvs>zk: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav
22:20<zk>fixed it :))
22:20<zk>now how do i stop the command?
22:20<dvs>control c
22:20<dvs>uh... sound was always working
22:21<zk>yes...just me being stupid :))
22:21<zk>forgot to unmute PCM
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22:24<sney>zk: how did you fix it? just so I know for the next guy
22:26<zk>sney: i've enabled non-free in repository and apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
22:26<sney>oh, so it wasn't installed after all
22:26<sney>ok.
22:27<zk>yes...first i didn't pay attention and installed the firmware-linux-free
22:28<zk>and after apt i've edited xorg.conf
22:28<adalberto>hi
22:29<adalberto>anyone knows if theres a way to setup some sort of layer so i dont have to install pulseaudio?
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22:29<zk>sney: http://paste.debian.net/116592/ here are the lines i've added to xorg.conf
22:29<zk>so now i get >400 fps and flash is great :)
22:30<sney>zk ok sounds good,
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22:30<zk>sney: have any idea how to set the resolution to log in point?
22:31<adalberto>i've got only one app in java that stubbornly doesn't want to stream with alsa
22:31<dvs>zk: if KMS is enabled, use the "video" kernel option
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23:01<OddTod>Hello which windows manager do you guys suggest for a netbook?
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23:07<th>ratpoison
23:08<th>that's the package name, not a joke
23:08<OddTod>ratpoison is for managing windows?
23:09<weedeater64>I don't have much experience with them, but been using openbox, and like it kinda, though may be heading toward something more like ratpoison .
23:09<OddTod>err managing windows
23:09<OddTod>ok i'll look at screen shots.
23:09<OddTod>thank you
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23:10<th>yes, it's a wm
23:10<weedeater64>this may help , http://xwinman.org/
23:10<th>doesn't waste your precious small screen
23:10<th>and cpu/mem resource
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23:11<th>since you said the system is a netbook
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23:12<OddTod>no I didn't take offense at you saying my CPU was small
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23:14<th>of course it's not an offense :). i merely state my reasoning for suggesting ratpoison. i have a netbook too
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23:15<th>i use ratpoison as the wm
23:15<OddTod>excellent I have never heard of it. It sounds plenty awesome though
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23:16<th>i have tried KDE4, the plasma desktop can be configured for netbook mode
23:17<th>it's good, really pretty, you may want to try kde4 too if you prefer to have a pretty-looking GUI
23:18<weedeater64>kde != WM, and a WM can be as 'pretty' as you like.
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23:20<OddTod>What is the most customizable WM I really want no top bar on windows
23:21<th>ah, yes, pardon my carelessness in suggesting a DM
23:21<scinl>th: Ratpoison's great. Have you tried StumpWM? OddTod, I am using openbox now and it's BEAUTIFUL. Used XFCE for the last two years.
23:22<th>OddTod, you can try ratpoison, or stumpwm as scinl suggested, or xmonad (the one i use right now)
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23:22<th>scinl, yes, i've tried stumpwm
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23:22<th>but... it has problem with mplayer
23:23<th>whenever i start mplayer, stumpwm quit
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23:23<scinl>OddTod: ...openbox without a DM, so standalone openbox instead of openbox inside KDE or gnome. I find ratpoison, stumpwm (tiling wms) can't match extensibility of openbox/fluxbox or icewm/pekwm -- if it's borderless windows and no docks/bars/panels, give openbox a try! :D
23:23<th>switching to other wm temporarily is always an option
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23:23<OddTod>I have gone to a couple different WM's i keep coming back to Gnome(where I started)
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23:24<scinl>gnome is a DE, not a WM. WMs like openbox run inside Desktop Environments
23:24<k-man>whats the debian way to launch a daemon as a user at boot time?
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23:24<scinl>th: This has all been very offtopic, but my last word on it, is that you should be using a terminal mediaplayer if you're using StumpWM, otherwise why not use a different WM?
23:26<weedeater64>OddTod: that's why I've been thinking of another, openbox has window decorations, you can undecorate, but other WMs do it for you.
23:26<th>yes, it was mplayer-nogui and yes, i'm on xmonad now
23:26<scinl>k-man: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html
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23:28<th>perhaps you mean all in terminal media player. :) i can't stand to watch videos in ascii art
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23:29<scinl>th: I know right, who does?
23:30<th>:)
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23:33<OddTod>Thanks guys for your help.
23:33<kop>k-man: start-stop-daemon See the insserv package for more info on system boot/daemon start/stop.
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23:33<th>np
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23:52<k-man>is there not a simple way to add a user daemon?
23:52<k-man>i'd rather not have to write a start/stop script
23:53<akerl>k-man: The simple way it to start it yourself.
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