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---Logopened Wed May 11 00:00:15 2011
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00:00<k-man>ok, thanks akerl
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00:50<k-man>so now that I wrote my script, in dependency based booting, how do I add it to the boot sequence?
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00:52<diego>Hi, I have a really weird problem... every time I reboot I have no sound until I execute "alsactl init" as root
00:52<diego>I could add it to rc.local but ...
00:52<diego>why ?
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00:53<devil>diego: did you run alsactl store after setting sound up?
00:53<diego>I run alsactl store
00:53<diego>but after reboot
00:53<diego>again no sound
00:53<diego>until init
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00:53<diego>it works perfectly after init
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00:54<diego>I may just put it in rc.local if I don't find the real problem, but maybe you give me some ideas of what might be it
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00:55<devil>what version of alsabase do you run?
00:56<diego>mmm, let me check
00:56<devil>alsa-base, that is
00:56<diego>alsactl version 1.0.23
00:56<diego>that is alsactl -v
00:56<diego>how do I check alsa-base version ?
00:57<devil>diego: dpkg -l | grep alsa*
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00:57<diego>ii alsa-base 1.0.23+dfsg-3
00:57<diego>then I have some other stuff
00:57<diego>ii alsa-oss 1.0.17-4
00:57<diego>and also alsa-utils 1.0.23-4
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00:58<diego>its a debian wheezy (testing)
00:58<devil>i remember having a problem that could be the same a while ago. i have alsa-base 1.0.23+dfsg-4 now and it works
00:59<devil>testing that version will not hurt
01:00<diego>oh, maybe I should just upgrade, last time I upgraded was May 1st
01:00<diego>so maybe 10 days later is fixed :)
01:01<diego>thx :) I will try
01:01<devil>i have no idea what version is in testing, i track unstable
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01:02<diego>well, yeah, I may just download the unstable for alsa-base (I wont upgrade to unstable... unstable was a lot more unstable that I wanted the last time I used it ;-))
01:03<diego>do you usually upgrade unstable packages with no problems ?
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01:04<devil>downloading might not work, as you wont get dependencies. but you cann add a unstable line in sources.list, install alsa-base and comment or remove the unstable line
01:04<devil>diego: i havwe been running unstable for ages and a half, so i know what i do
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01:05<diego>devil: yeah, I know ... I usually know how to fix problems, I'm just busy and hate when safe-upgrade fails ;)
01:05<diego>its nicer when it works automatically :)
01:06<diego>I wonder when gnome3 is coming to testing hehe
01:06<sney>not for a while
01:06<devil>i wonder if that could be prevented ;)
01:06<sney>judd: versions gnome3-session
01:06<judd>Sorry, no package named 'gnome3-session' was found in i386.
01:06<sney>my ass
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01:07<diego>oh, you dont like gnome lol ... you probably use fluxbox
01:08<devil>diego: fluxbox? never. on different boxes, kde4, awesome and terminal
01:09<diego>devil: I'm usually in an xterm inside gnome, I don't know 'awesome' but kde4 takes so many resources
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01:10*devil packs his stuff and then off to LinuxTag conference
01:10<devil>get a booth going
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01:11<craigevil>diego, not really Processes 133 Uptime 7:45 Memory 402.2/1262.5MB thats in kde4.6.2 with firefox runnings, xchat, yakuake, shell-fm, and okular running
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01:14<diego>top - 02:14:00 up 7:01, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00 - Tasks: 169 total, 1 running, 168 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie - Cpu(s): 0.8%us, 1.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.5%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st - Mem: 6033452k total, 1401032k used, 4632420k free, 126124k buffers - Swap: 4305380k total, 0k used, 4305380k free, 783976k cached
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01:14<diego>seems gnome is using more lol
01:15<c0b3r>anyone was using iredmail?
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01:17<sney>c0b3r: nope, but it looks neat (first I've heard of it)
01:18<c0b3r>ok i've 2 go at now thanks
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01:29<armani>when i run ldconfig, there's a bunch of files that are empty and not checked, anyone know how to fix this? here is the pastebin:
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01:37<jm_>armani: these files seem to be fglrx related, have you ever installed it?
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01:39<armani>jm_: yes, i am running ati hd3200 on my laptop, but for some reason these files show up as empty, even after reinstalling libgl1-mesa-dri, firmware-linux-nonfree, etc...
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01:40<jm_>armani: how did you install fglrx?
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01:41<armani>jm_, i followed the instructions in this:
01:42<jm_>armani: ok then check what dpkg says about those files: dpkg -S /path/to/file
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01:48<ayaka>If I lost my root password,what shall I do
01:49<ayaka>but I'm not remote
01:49<ayaka>diego, ?
01:49<diego>just login with a live cd or whatever
01:49<diego>mount the disk
01:49<diego>edit /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd
01:50<diego>to remove the second column
01:50<diego>its a file separated with ':'
01:50<diego>search root:whatever:yadayadayada
01:50<diego>and remove the whatever to leave root::yadayadayada
01:50<diego>then root has no password
01:51<ayaka>diego, I will try at once
01:51<diego>btw, if you do have another user
01:51<diego>with sudo
01:51<ayaka>diego, without sudo
01:51<diego>you can just "sudo su -" with your password
01:51<armani>jm_, here's the dpkg -S:
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01:51<ayaka>If I have sudo I can use recover mode
01:51<diego>oh, ok ... then reboot and remove that part of /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd
01:51<diego>just the second column from root of each file
01:52<ayaka>diego, after reboot , shall I use passwd root ?
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01:52<diego>nothing (blank password)
01:52<diego>and then when you login you can change it
01:52<jm_>armani: the other way, dpkg -S /usr/lib/ and so on
01:53<jm_>!i forgot root's password
01:53<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
01:53<armani>jm_, oh wow...that's gonna take a while haha...
01:53<jm_>armani: just read ldconfig output with "read" and run dpkg -S with the results
01:54<Flynn>I'm trying to install debian powerpc sqeeze on my powermac g5 but I get an error about my partition type being wrong.
01:54<ayaka>diego, jm_ thank both of you,I know how to use dokg to tell me, not just use msg dpkg passwd
01:54<diego>well, dpkg told other way, I would use a live cd probably :)
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01:54<jm_>armani: i suppose this might work: ldconfig 2>&1 | grep "is empty" | while read a b f c; do echo $f; done
01:55<jm_>armani: if that works simply replace echo with dpkg -S
01:55<diego>Flynn: can you delete and recreate the partition and gives the same error ?
01:55<Flynn>diego, i'll try
01:56<diego>Flynn: you are probably one of the few guys that actually but a mac and don't like mac os lol ;) ... PC is cheaper :)
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01:59<Flynn>diego, I got my netbook after my mac. My mac is plugged into my router via super long ethernet cable. My router's wireless signal is too weak, so I want to share my internet connection with my netbook from my mac. But, usb wireless adapters for mac are expensive, hence linux may be the sollution.
02:00<Flynn>diego, what format should the partition be?
02:00<diego>you can choose between ext2/3/4, reiserfs or others , usually everyone is using ext4 now right ?
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02:00<armani>jm_, that is awesome! so much faster, i did not know that...i'm still new to this...
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02:01<jm_>Flynn: did you check if installation guide lists any requirements?
02:01<armani>jm_, on a side note, i previously had ati's drivers installed, i'm not sure if that's what is contributing to the problem as well?
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02:01<jm_>armani: did you use ATI's installer?
02:02<Flynn>lol my option are mac os journaled and thats it.
02:02<Flynn>jm, no.
02:02<jm_>armani: are you sure you gave me correct paste URL for the last one?
02:02<diego>Flynn: btw, there are some really cheap linksys wireless repeaters
02:02<armani>jm_, opps sorry:
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02:03<diego> like this one
02:03<Flynn>diego, i'm too deep into this debian thing Its a personal vendetta now
02:03<diego>(that is not good, it does not seem to have wpa, but Im just saying)
02:03<armani>jm., i downloaded their drivers from their website and then sh the install...although, i also have some problems there too, the install crashes with a kernel bug...and then the system hangs
02:03<diego>Flynn: hehe :)
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02:04<jm_>armani: yes, that's why you have these files now
02:04<Flynn>someone should start a powermac graphic installer project that can install from your current os
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02:05<armani>jm_ there shouldn't be a problem if i delete them? or should i just leave them and ignore them?
02:05<diego>Flynn: I keep using the text installer for debian lol, somehow I cant never work the graphic debian install working in pc either
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02:07<Flynn>diego, I'm ... diego...?
02:07<jm_>armani: well if there are problems just reinstall fglrx-driver package; I would compare md5sum-s for the ones that dpkg -S says are in the packages and investigate what's going on with those that aren't
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02:08<Flynn>DIEGO!... he's gone.
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02:09<c0b3r>anyone coudl help me with bind via mysql?
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02:10<Flynn>Well, i'm still getting "wrong bootstrap type again.
02:12<home-alone>HI . I cant update . this is the error message i get
02:13<Flynn>Does anyone know what file tells the computer what to install?
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02:15<jm_>Flynn: in which context?
02:15<Flynn>debian ppc squeeze install boot dvd.
02:16<jm_>you mean which pacakges get installed?
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02:16<armani>jm_, thanks a lot! i really appreciate your time and advice!
02:16<axe>home-alone, are you have installed debian-multimedia-keyring package?
02:16<Flynn>I just think maybe there's a file missing from the root of the dvd.
02:16<jm_>armani: no worries
02:17<ayaka>I try to use fbterm,but it said buf can't open, I'm root
02:17<home-alone>no i havent
02:18<Flynn>I now see my other partition on my desktop. Could I just copy some files onto it?
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02:19<c0b3r>i've got a small problem with bind configuration. My mail server is hiden in NAT. I'v got few public IP so i take one of them and foward all services to my mail server in NAT. Now i trying configure bind9 but i don't know if i should put in bind config my public IP or private behind NAT. SOme can help?
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02:22<Flynn>Its quiet... too quiet...
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02:23<c0b3r>ok so i will try ask later
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02:24<Flynn>Is there a mac chat on here?
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02:25<dpkg>[powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture ( See "Debian for PowerPC" at . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on and
02:26<jm_>or do you mean macos channel?
02:27<jm_>hah guess what, there's a link about "proper partitioning" there, I bet that's where the explanation for your problem is
02:27<Flynn>Nope ppc is fine
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02:31<home-alone>Hi . I have just installed docky . how to get rid of black border in the bottom...????
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02:32<Flynn>No ones talking there.
02:33<c0b3r>there is a other channel ???
02:33<vagvaf>home-alone: search through the preferences/settings
02:35<home-alone>i didnt find any option . the black border increases/decreases with the icon size
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02:37<c0b3r>anyone can help me with server configuration?
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02:39<Torsten_W>home-alone, then you have no composite enabled
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02:41<home-alone>how to enable composite...???
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02:42<Torsten_W>home-alone, who knows, you don't give any info about your system
02:43<home-alone>how can i paste a screen shot...??? you can have some idea what is the problem
02:43<Torsten_W>screenshot is useless
02:44<Torsten_W>tell the specs of your system, tell, what dekstop you use
02:44<Torsten_W>docky needs composite, for that, i don't need to see a screenshot
02:45<Torsten_W>i know, how it looks without composite
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02:46<home-alone>I use debian 6 dafault gnome
02:46<Torsten_W>and your graphics card is?
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02:47<home-alone>sis 630
02:47<Torsten_W>forget it
02:48<Torsten_W>or look, if docky can provide fake transparency
02:48<weedeater64>I don't get it, read the description for docky, what do you get that gnome wouldn't already do ?
02:49<Torsten_W>docky is a mac like dock
02:49<Torsten_W>and gnome does not provide such dock
02:50<weedeater64>I know nothing of macs, but what's wrong with the panels in gnome ?
02:50<home-alone>i just installed to make my desktop stylish . i have deleted the panel . if uninstall docky how can i get the panel back
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02:51<Flynn>Panels are boring!
02:51<home-alone>panels are ok . but we need some change you know
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02:52<gpm>don't you have to have at least one panel in gnome?
02:52<gpm>from the existing one you can right-click and add the panel you deleted
02:53<gpm>oh really, i have one panel and the option to delete is grayed
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02:53<weedeater64>meh, I guess if you were replacing panels.. I thought you were using in addition tol
02:53<zem_>yes, but you can kill the process
02:53<gpm>haha true dat
02:53<weedeater64>You can't delete all panels
02:53<weedeater64>You have to have one
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02:54<zem_>but you can kill them
02:54<gpm>i think he ate too much weed
02:54<home-alone>i am a new user thus seem a noob :)
02:55<Flynn>White screen after install wont go away
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02:55<zem>at what point do you get white screen?
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02:56<cg_>hello in Greek
02:56<weedeater64>can you kill them permanantly ?
02:57<cg_>yes, how much is the reward...
02:57<gpm>weedeater64: of course
02:57<gpm>cg_: lol
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02:57<cg_>I'm costas peeps if you need help just ask
02:57<Flynn>after booting from the cd and typing install and hitting enter
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02:59<weedeater64>What are you installing Flynn ?
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03:00<cg_>Flynn, tell us...
03:00<Flynn>debian power[pc squeeze
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03:01<cg_>ok, repeat your problem Flynn
03:01<cg_>be exact and use the pastebin if more than 2 lines...
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03:03<Flynn>I burned a dvd with the iso. I hold c to boot from dvd drive. Then a terminal appears and says boot I hit enter and i get a white screen that says "reklease keys to continue"
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03:05<Flynn>My dvd drive is spinning so fast it sounds like it may take off!
03:05<cg_>you got a hardware problem
03:05<cg_>I had it with an old keyboard...
03:05<Flynn>How do I find out what problem?
03:06<cg_>Flynn, go to the BIOS
03:06<Flynn>How do i do that?
03:06<cg_>read your manual
03:07<cg_>Flynn, how old are you man?
03:07<Flynn>I bought the computer on ebay it didnt come with a manual.
03:07<Flynn>What difference does that make?
03:07<cg_>try google to get the powerpc working
03:07<Flynn>I've been trying.
03:08<cg_>try google with the specific brand and then READ
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03:08<cg_>it's usually the DEL key Flynn
03:09<jm_>cg_: he has a powerpc system from apple, not a regular PC
03:09<cg_>I know...
03:09<Flynn>All my hardware works fine when I'm not trying to install linux.
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03:10<cg_>then you probably have a defect ISO image...probably
03:11<Flynn>I think Linux has a long way to go before its end user friendly.
03:11<cg_>!tell Flynn about powerpc
03:11<cg_>Flynn I've been using Debian since 1994
03:12<cg_>I teach Linux here...
03:12<Flynn>I've been trying to install it for 2 days!
03:12<weedeater64>Hey Flynn , if I can manage it, you can.
03:12<cg_>so grab a manual and learn how to setup your powerpc
03:13<cg_>before even booting there's a sequence on all computers...
03:13<c0b3r>hi anyone can help with IREDMail ??
03:14<cg_>c0b3r, what's the problem?
03:14<c0b3r>i've got problem with bind config via mysql
03:14<c0b3r>becouse i using iredmail without ldap
03:15<cg_>iredmail is standard on debian?
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03:15<cg_>(I'm getting old and senile)
03:15<c0b3r>this is a gui to menagment postfix
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03:16<c0b3r>but when you instaling irdemail this is a scrip and this scrip instaling everything what you nedd
03:16<cg_>people focus, this is #debian we're not in your head and we're not mind readers. state your problem in one big line....
03:17<c0b3r>ok i trying explane
03:17<cg_>c0b3r, in english please not EANglishc
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03:17<cg_>take your time, relax
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03:18<cg_>!beer dpkg
03:18*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Pils for dpkg
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03:20<c0b3r>so iRedAdmin is a shell script
03:20<c0b3r>It lets you quickly deploy a full-featured mail solution in less than 2 minutes.
03:20<c0b3r>supports both OpenLDAP and MySQL as backends for storing virtual domains and users
03:20<c0b3r>i'm using MyQsl ver
03:20<c0b3r>becouse LDAP is not for free
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03:21<c0b3r>this is a tar.bz2 packed
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03:22<c0b3r>you need only to download untar and make
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03:22<c0b3r>when you instaling this you configure everything via some simple GUI
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03:23<jm_>c0b3r: you must understand that it's not provided by debian so it's not supported here
03:25<c0b3r>yes i know that but i thought then some of you was using this before
03:25<c0b3r>sorry if my question was wrong
03:26<jm_>why not use debian provided MTA-s?
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03:26<c0b3r>this include postfix
03:27<c0b3r>and more things
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03:28<cg_>exactly my point of view too jm_
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03:29<cg_>we need volunteers to run this script c0b3r on a stable system to check, it's a problem...
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03:30<cg_>if it worked fine, you wouldn't be here...
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03:30<cg_>so try something standard in Debian first and use your programming skills to enhance it IMHO, of course
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03:31<c0b3r>they wrote then iredadmin support debian 6 so should be all right
03:32<cg_>too many glitches in non-standard debian packages, experimental stuff needs attention
03:32<c0b3r>i've got that from here
03:32<cg_>try their support page first c0b3r
03:32<cg_>then come back to us
03:33<cg_>it might be as simple as a lib needed...
03:34<c0b3r>all right but maybe can you help me with this
03:34<c0b3r>Set Up DNS record for SPF
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03:37<c0b3r>ok i will try their support
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04:02<leezardking>A sincere thank you to all the developers! :)
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04:08<cg_>give'm beer leezardking
04:08<leezardking>im a poor student :) all i can give is thanks and i did
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04:30<home-alone>I am unable to update . error=
04:31<cg_>home-alone, go to and download the pgp keyring...
04:31<cg_>look for it under FAQ
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04:34<home-alone>more specific link please
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04:37<jm_>please at least try to put in some effort when exploring a web page
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04:45<home-alone>I have installed thos keyrings but
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04:49<jm_>verify if your sources.list entry for d-m is OK
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04:52<home-alone>everything was fine about 2 hours ago I was updating using update manager and it downloaded like 103 mb update but when it was installing about 60% there was a power failure after that i am getting that error
04:55<grove>home-alone: Try deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_squeeze_Release*
04:55<jm_>also check if kernel reports any errors (dmesg command)
04:56<jm_>the above file is probably corrutped since it says Hit:
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04:59<jm_>and please also mention such unusual events as power-outage in the future - you can sometimes ignore them, but not always as you just found out
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05:02<jm_>right, no errors there, just try to proceed with grove's advice
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05:04<home-alone>/var/lib/apt/lists/ is an empty directory
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05:06<jm_>apt-get update should fill it up, what does "stat /var/lib/apt/lists" say?
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05:10<jm_>looks fine to me, try to run strace apt-get update
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05:13<home-alone> strace apt-get update .... bash: strace: command not found
05:13<jm_>it's not installed by default so you'll need to install it
05:15<home-alone>apt-get install strace...???
05:15<jm_>well if apt is working then yes, but I can't see how it might wrk with empty lists dir (unless it has been redirected)
05:15<grove>Yes, but as your apt configuration seems a little broken, that might be hard
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05:16<nevyn>how do I select the backend for gstreamer in debian?
05:16<home-alone>apt-get is working fine
05:17<home-alone>I am installing some games right now
05:17<jm_>I think WTF describes this just right
05:17*grove agrees with jm_
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05:20<@themill>home-alone: from what you pastebinned earlier, your sources.list line for dmm is incorrect.
05:20<@themill>(whether there are also other problems is another story)
05:21<home-alone>ok . any suggestions plz
05:21<jm_>it also looked wrong to me but (s)he didn't want to pursue this path
05:21<ayaka>I use ssh in my lan(100Mb)but it very slowly and often die (can't typr) then I shall restart server
05:21<grove>home-alone: As you say apt-get works, install strace and try `strace apt-get update`
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05:22<@themill>!show sources.list home-alone
05:22<dpkg>home-alone: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
05:22<home-alone>ok . i am
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05:28<@themill>home-alone: your dmm line has a stray "deb" at the end of it
05:29<home-alone>can you fix and paste bin for me...???
05:30<jm_>just remove the " deb" string from it
05:30<jm_>the trailing one, not the starting one
05:30<@themill>(also, if you're going to have "contrib non-free" for security updates, you may as well have them for the main mirror too.)
05:31<home-alone>remove deb from which line
05:31<grove>The debian-multimedia one
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05:37<home-alone>how to open " cat /etc/apt/sources.list " with nano
05:37<grove>home-alone: s/cat/nano/
05:38<home-alone>bash: s/cat/nano/: No such file or directory
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05:39*grove kind of expected that
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05:41<grove>home-alone: cat is a program for showing the contents of a file, nano is a proram for editing a file, just use `nano /etc/apt/sources.list`
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05:43<home-alone>I edited that and removed deb from the end
05:45<home-alone>now how to check if my system is up to date...???
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05:45<grove>apt-get update
05:47<grove>Looks like we solved the problem
05:48<home-alone>OOO a big sigh of relief . Thank you and other people so so much
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05:48<home-alone>and I really appriciate your help and I feel really proud to become the part of this wonderful community
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05:49<home-alone>and I will be returning to the community what I am getting right now
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05:54<home-alone>thank you -jm , grove , themill
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05:57<home-alone>one more thing I can take a screen shot it says was an error running gnome-screenshot:
05:57<home-alone>Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (No such file or directory)
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06:13<peter1138>hmm, i can't install plugins in chromium :(
06:14<fosser_josh>i just installed debian 6 but my ethernet card is not working. Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller on HCL machine
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06:20<jm_>fosser_josh: what is its PCI ID? run lspci -nn|grep -i ether
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06:23<fosser_josh>jm_: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02)
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06:23<jm_>judd pciid 10ec:8136
06:23<judd>[10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also
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06:23<jm_>is that module loaded?
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06:25<Pitxyoki>diff judd dpkg, anyone?
06:26<fosser_josh>jm_: is this for me?
06:26<jm_>fosser_josh: yup, sorry forgot to reply properly
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06:27<fosser_josh>jm_: did u got any clue wats wrng going on. coz realtek is autoconfigured in debian i think
06:27<jm_>fosser_josh: yes, but is the module loaded?
06:27<fosser_josh>jm_: how to find out that is that module loaded or not
06:28<jm_>fosser_josh: lsmod|grep r8169
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06:29<fosser_josh>jm_: r8169 29213 0
06:29<fosser_josh> mii 3210 1 r8169
06:29<jm_>fosser_josh: ok, and ifconfig -a shows eth* interfaces, right?
06:30<fosser_josh>jm_: yah
06:30<jm_>fosser_josh: ok, so what is the problem then?
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06:33<SynrG>dondelelcaro: an inquiry over on -ot re tor ban
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06:35<fosser_josh>jm_: sorry actually in gui its not showing connection. it showing that device not ready so was confused
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06:35<fosser_josh>jm_: its working fine
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06:36<jm_>fosser_josh: maybe it's not managed by network-manager (I assume that's what the GUI is)
06:37<fosser_josh>jm_: yah
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06:55<AzaToth>anyone 'uber expert regarding duplicity here?
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06:57<Pitxyoki>oh, the package, now I see.
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07:15<grove>So, I finally got squeeze installed on my desktop with a new sandy bridge motherboard (intel DH67CL) and corresponding CPU (Core i5 2400S), but X runs at 1280x1024 which looks terrible on my 1680x1050 LCD monitor, and all the choices I have in xfce's screen configurator are 4:3 modes, so they won't look much better, doesn't intel graphics support wide screens or how do I debug?
07:16<jm_>grove: it does
07:17<themill>intel graphics does support wide screen resolutions, it just might not on your hardware
07:17<jm_>grove: did you check what KMS says?
07:17<grove>jm_: & themill: good
07:18<jm_>I have H67 board without monitor connectors, so can't test SB ;)
07:18<grove>jm_: No, what's KMS?
07:18<jm_>grove: kernel mode setting
07:19<grove>Okay, should have guessed that
07:19<jm_>grove: dmesg or /var/log/dmesg shall show it
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07:19<jm_>(assuming you didn't disable it)
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07:21<jm_>perhaps you need a newer kernel, i.e. 2.6.38 from bpo
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07:26<themill>grove: yeah, as jm_ said, the intel driver dance consists of pissing about with various combinations of xorg driver, kernel, mesa and libdrm until the crash-rate becomes acceptably low.
07:26<th>i think support sandy bridge is from 2.6.34 onward
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07:26<themill>grove: there are xorg intel driver backports on their way. amd64 already exists in the maintainer's private repo and will hopefully hit bpo quite soon. (last weekend was the original ETA)
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07:27<Eulenspiegel69>is the Perl problem finally solved?
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07:27<Torsten_W>there is a perl problem?
07:27<th>transition from 5.10 to 5.12 ?
07:28<Torsten_W>a transition in stable?
07:28<Eulenspiegel69>^^ I think this was the source of countless problems, yes
07:28<th>no, in testing land
07:28<Torsten_W>since when is testin/sid supportet here?
07:29<th>oops, wrong channel
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07:30<CyL>would anyone please assist me on how to install a debian system with whole disk aes-xts encryption?
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07:30<lynx_>hello, how can i start a "xampp" like app in debian? i'm trying to build a site from this computer as you probably noticed. xampp = apache + mysql + alot of other shit
07:31<ticha>CyL: aes-xts ?
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07:32<CyL>ticha: yep, the current installer only support aes-cbc
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07:32<ticha>not enough ?
07:32<grove>Well, I can't find anything about KMS in dmesg or /var/log/dmesg. But as the motherboard has a 82579v netchip I need a newer kernel anyway, I'd just prefer being able to debug this
07:33<themill>dpkg: tell lynx_ about lamp
07:33<th>lynx_, you can install apache2, php5, mysql, and other package. to start them: /etc/init.d/apache2 start or /etc/init.d/mysql start
07:33<CyL>ticha: Well, since aes-xts seem to be the standard this day, and I don't plan to reinstall my system soon, I thought that maybe I could go forthe best option available now...
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07:34<lynx_>just joined xampp site, they have a linux ver aswell
07:34<lynx_>2 bad its not in repo
07:34<ticha>CyL: I installed a laptop weeks ago with DI in expert mode but aes-xts wasn't an option in encryption option
07:35<grove>Okay, I missed that th said sandy bridge support came with 2.6.34, I better try 2.6.38 from backports
07:35<ticha>CyL: I think xts-aes isn't yet in Debian stable or testing
07:35<themill>lynx_: xampp is just a pile of things that already *are* in the repo.
07:35<CyL>ticha: I know, I have went through the same process... I was planning on using debootstrap, but it looks like the wiki is outdated
07:36<jm_>grove: nothing from i915?
07:36<lynx_>oh, nvm, theres lampp
07:36<lynx_>themill: yup, i noticed
07:36<CyL>ticha: the modules are available, it just isn't an install option
07:37<ticha>CyL: submit a patch request for Debian Installer ?
07:37<grove>jm_: No luck searhing for 915 in demsg (both tried)
07:38<CyL>ticha: I could, but I've seen someone has done it since 2008, and I would like to have the system installed by the end of the day
07:38<ticha>2008 ><
07:38<jm_>grove: is the module loaded?
07:39<ticha>Try the debootstrap method
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07:42<Paula>que es esto?
07:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:44<Paula>& como se busca a los amigo
07:44<ravenbird>Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
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07:45<Paula>as it seeks to friends
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07:45<steve__>Question about HDMI if anyone can assist
07:46<grove>jm_: lsmod says i915 is loaded
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07:46<jm_>grove: but you don't see any messages from it or "intel" (not sure right now) in dmesg?
07:47<jm_>i'll try to check later on my bro's machine which has some old G41 board
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07:50<grove>jm: I only searched for 915, as I suspected intel would give a lot of irrelevant hits with intel mb+cpu
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07:51<jm_>grove: heh I have intel chipset at work and grep finds only a few lines
07:51<grove>Yeah, it wasn't too bad, but none of them seem to be about graphics
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07:52<jm_>yeah perhaps it only spits more crap with debug enabled, but if I were you I'd first try a newer kernel
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07:54<grove>Is there a way to determine all depencies when I download packages from backports, as I need a new kernel to get my netchip supported, it's kind of annoying if I have to move a usb stick between computers too many times
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07:55<jm_>grove: you can find direct dependencies on
07:56<grove>jm_: But direct dependencies only partially solve the problem. Luckily it seems linux-image only depended on a newer linux-base
07:57<themill>grove: there's also apt-zip if you need it
07:58<jm_>grove: I intentionally mentioned this because I know from experience that kernel packages usually only need those
07:59<grove>Okay, but upgrading the kernel seems to have broken grub, now I just get a flashing cursor when grub should start :-(
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08:01<jm_>not quite sure why kernel would affect that at all, short of new grub.cfg file
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08:04<lynx_>is there a way to add a "please wait" screen while the system is loading? the black makes me feel retarded since it takes a while to load, about 20s
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08:05<jm_>lynx_: you can install boot splash stuff
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08:06<lynx_>so r boot splashes a replacement for the black screen b4 the startup?
08:06<grove>I've never really looked into the details of grub (used to prefer lilo), but I would assume it has to know something about the new kernel
08:06<jm_>lynx_: apt-cache show plymouth
08:07<jm_>grove: yes, that's why i said "short of new grub.cfg file"
08:08<grove>I didn't see any error when I installed the new kernel though, but I'll have to see what I can find from a rescue cd
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08:13<grove>Hmm, reinstalling grub to /dev/md0 from a rescue cd doesn't change anything
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08:19<grove>Reinstalling grub to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb didn't help either, I think I'll try installing lilo
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08:21<jm_>I wonder why kernel install would break this
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08:21*grove too
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08:37<lynx_>hello, i got an intel gma which lays on the i3 processor, however im trying to install compiz but theres no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:37<lynx_>it says i'm using the vesa driver, how can i get my intel gma to work?
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08:40<classical>hello guys i'm tying to create aliases in my bashrc for cd
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08:41<classical>alias cd -='-'
08:41<classical>alias cd ..='..'
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08:41<classical>but this does not work im not writing something correctly
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08:42<jm_>try alias cd-=...
08:42<jm_>so alias cd-='cd -'
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08:44<daemonkeeper>You really don't want to have "-" as alias for cd.
08:44<daemonkeeper>Not that it would work.
08:44<classical>jm_, that does not work
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08:44<classical>daemonkeeper, why ?
08:44<daemonkeeper>Just think of all the side effects like "ls -l"?
08:44<jm_>classical: it does, you need to use "cd-" and "cd.." commands
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08:47<sebrynx>it for me the first time I m here
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09:03<lynx__>i'm trying to get a php organizer running on my debian with apache & mysql & php, however i've installed the lampp (xampp for linux) with the root user in /opt/lampp, script is inside /opt/lampp/htdocs, i'm trying to run the install.php but it kept giving me errors, i've tried to chmod +x * but its still the same
09:03<lynx__>is it related to user permissions or not?
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09:04<joe6>what is the configure path for debian paths when I am building a package from source?
09:05<joe6>something as , ./configure --prefix
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09:05<joe6>something as , ./configure --prefix=/usr/local??
09:05<babilen>!tell joe6 -about usrlocal
09:05<babilen>!tell joe6 -about stow
09:05<babilen>!tell joe6 -about stow usage
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09:06<lynx__>babilen: can you take a look at my question since no1 else gives a ***?
09:06<babilen>joe6: I would recommend to use stow (as detailed in the factoids sent to you by dpkg) to organise installations to /usr/local
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09:07<joe6>thanks, will checkup on stow
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09:07<babilen>lynx__: I took a look at it, but have this minor phobia of anything related to PHP. Sorry :)
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09:07<lynx__>babilen: is it related to user permissions?
09:07<lynx__>since ive installed lampp as root
09:08<babilen>joe6: But you are absolutely correct that local installations should go to /usr/local -- stow just adds an additional layer in that it allows you to keep multiple distinct installations there seperated. (Which eases removal tremendously for example)
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09:10<babilen>lynx__: I know neither lampp, not PHP and would hope that *if your webserver finds it in /opt* that you should make sure that the user of your webserver (i.e. www-data) should be able to execute it. You also need to have the php modules enables and you need the prefork version of apache. /msg dpkg install php
09:11<babilen>(if you use apache, and not something like yaws or lighthttpd)
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09:11<themill>babilen: we already told him all that... (but he's gone anyway)
09:12*babilen is sad now
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09:12<themill>babilen: he really wanted to use one of these prepackaged hideous lampp or xampp things where you download a big scary tarball from someone else, stick it somewhere and hope it works.
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09:13<dpkg>methinks xampp is a way of installing lots of packages that are already in Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>.
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09:13<babilen>*shrug* I would never touch that anyway ... just tried to give *some* pointers :)
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09:16<joe6>babilen, thanks a lot. That really helps. I was in the "local source hell"
09:16<babilen>joe6: Great, xstow is also worth a look -- I've never had the need to switch from stow though. Have fun!
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09:40<smok> /get options
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09:41<aktiv[b]>is there any way to switch which monitor is the primary without editing xorg.conf manually?
09:41<aktiv[b]>(in squeeze)
09:41<@weasel>plug in the cables differently?
09:42<aktiv[b]>i guess that means no
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10:13<mekt>I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has successfully used 'user extended attributes' or 'filetype' on any (Linux) filesystem. I just tried them on ext4, with no success. (Yes, the FS is mounted with them enabled.)
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10:19<Gi0va>hi all
10:20<Gi0va>i have to make a backup of etch repository
10:20<Gi0va>what's the easiest way to do it?
10:21<mekt>Gi0va: over network? there is a program for that.
10:21<Gi0va>ftpsync right?
10:21<mekt>Gi0va: I don't think that is the one I (vaguely) remember. This was specific for repos.
10:22<mekt>It may have been name 'deb<something>' or 'apt<something>'
10:23<Gi0va>it is a program that backup a repository (like etch that there is in
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10:26<Gi0va>i don't know what tool i have to use, but i need to backup onlu etch repository that is in
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10:27<joe6>i have this linker error: , when I run it with -ldl, it compiles, but it core-dumps when executed. Any thoughts, please?
10:27<joe6>babilen, will check out xstow.
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10:29<Gi0va>ok i install debmirror
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10:36<mekt>joe6: i don't know
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10:37<mekt>joe6: check out the ELF type (64/32bit) and make sure your system can read that.
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10:39<joe6>mekt, ok. thans.
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10:53<joe6>i think the elf header seems ok. here is the error:
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10:55<grove>joe6: It seems like it's a 32 bit app, are you on a 32 bit system?
10:55<joe6>more detailed info:
10:55<joe6>grove, I think so. How do I check?
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10:56<joe6>my uname info: Linux backup 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Tue Mar 8 21:03:02 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
10:56<babilen>joe6: dpkg --print-architecture
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10:56<babilen>yeah, that is 32bit
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10:56<joe6>can I trace it and see where it is core-dumping?
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10:57<babilen>Looks as if their software has a bug -- You might want to use gdb (after compiling with debug symbols) to triage it. Or just contact upstream and ask them for help.
10:57<joe6>let me try to check it out.
10:57<joe6>is it 'gdb gpsim'?
10:58<joe6>this is what I get with gdb:
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10:58<grove>joe6: Try `strace ./gpsim`
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11:02<Gi0va>i have a problem using debmirror:
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11:03<joe6>strace output:
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11:06<jhutchins_lt>Gi0va: You don't have a valid mirror defined.
11:07<joe6>gdb examine core file:
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11:08<Gi0va>jhutchins_lt: isn't a valid mirror?
11:08<Gi0va>debian etch is there
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11:11<gsimmons>Gi0va: You likely want "--root=debian-archive/debian" instead of "--host=:debian". Also ask dpkg about debmirror.
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11:15<RedLizard>I'm running vanilla Squeeze on amd64 using the radeon Xorg driver. When starting X, for some reason, my monitor gets disabled when trying to access the virtual consoles (the consoles themselves are still functional), as outlined in . The telltale Xorg.log lines are there for me as well. Any idea how I can avoid this bug on Squeeze, preferably in a mo
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11:21<Gi0va>now i got a different error, it start to download some files then it abort:
11:21<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Gi0va -about debmirror
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11:26<Gi0va>gsimmons: sorry i don't understand you
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11:27<grove>Gi0va: You should have received a message from dpkg with some helpful links
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11:28<Gi0va>sorry, i'm a little newbie XD where i got a message?
11:28<Gi0va>i pasted all the output
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11:29<grove>Gi0va: In your IRC client
11:29<Gi0va>ahuahauhuhauha sorry xD
11:29<Gi0va>i haven't see that
11:30<joe6>any suggestions on how I can fix this error using stow:
11:30<joe6>i notice that binary was installed in bin, but no libs were installed.
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11:31<Gi0va>thank you guys, now seems work
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11:59<jernux>hi, how are ya?
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12:00<bisnn35>I don't can write on my sd card, I have mounting it in root with "mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sd" but my user can't write on... I have try an "chown -R user /mnt/sd" on root terminal but can't
12:01<grove>What fs do have on it?
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12:02<bisnn35>when I try chown say "Operation not permitted" but if root can't make that... I don't understand...
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12:03<arand_>You need to set permissions at mount time with fat iirc
12:03<bisnn35>I can modify fs, partition on gparted without any problems...
12:03<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
12:03<grove>fat doesn't support users/groups, that why you get "Operation not permitted", as arand_ it must be set at mount time
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12:03<bisnn35>Oh! ok, need to mount with an option, I understand
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12:04<bisnn35>just -t vfatrw , right?
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12:05<bisnn35>can make that without fstab?
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12:05<bisnn35>what is the option I need with mount command ?
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12:09<nyov>bisnn35: c'mon read a man page once in a while. mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sd -o defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002
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12:13<bisnn35>nyov, thx!
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12:19<jhutchins_lt>I vote for umask=000
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12:40<home-alone> to get rid of black border in odcky it says it requires compositing..
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12:42<towo`>home-alone, same question as yesterday
12:42<towo`>home-alone, same answer, buy a better graphics card
12:42<towo`>or forget it
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12:45<home-alone>I see this is something to do with graphic card . while I have deleted the panel in bottom if i un-install docky how can i get that panel back . I am using default denian 6 gnome
12:46<allu2>Opinions, *Should* debian run on WonderMedia WM8505 ?
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12:52<home-alone>2nd question i cant take a screenshot it says...There was an error running gnome-screenshot:
12:52<home-alone>Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (Permission denied)
12:52<towo`>install it
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13:06<frankie4c>hi, after installing, and removing lilo, i have the situation where debian can't see an ntfs partition at the end of the drive. nor does it auto detect the other ntfs partitions. any ideas?
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13:13<ballison>i'm trying to fix the perl error " LANGUAGE = (unset)" from the command line WITHOUT going into a ncurses interactive session __
13:14<ballison>I've tried locale-gen en_US en_US.UTF-8
13:14<ballison>dpkg-reconfigure locales
13:14<ballison>update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8
13:14<home-alone>Hi....I have un-installed docky and add a new panel . the apps i minimize just disappear and dont minimize to the pannel...
13:14<ballison>but each time the dpkg-reconfigure locales kicks me into an interactive session
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13:14<grove>ballison: Can you pastebin the complete error
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13:15<ballison>is there a way to set the LANGUAGE without going into an interactive session?
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13:15<grove>LANGUAGE=en_US before the command
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13:16<ballison>grove - here's the error ->
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13:17<home-alone>the apps i minimize just disappear and dont minimize to the pannel. any solution plz
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13:17<grove>ballison: That's not because LANGUAGE is unset, but because en_US.utf8 isn't supported on the host,
13:18<ballison>grove: how do i fix this? i've fixed it before using the internactive "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but i need to do this automatically
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13:18<grove>That should be fixable by running `dpkg-reconfigure locales` (as root) and selecting en_US.utf8 for generation
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13:19<ballison>grove: Again - how do i solve this NON_INTERACTIVELY
13:19<ballison>grove: I do not want to go into a GUI - this need to be an automated process. no human interaction.
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13:21<grove>Sorry, I missed that, I'm not sure how to do it non.interactively, but I have some ideas I want to check
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13:22<grove>ballison: petemc's link answers it
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13:22<retrospectacus>home-alone: sounds like your window list applet is missing. Add that to the panel
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13:32<home-alone>My minimized windows just disappear how to fix it....????
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13:41<allu2>Opinions, *Should* debian run on WonderMedia WM8505 ?
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13:41<allu2>and how is the support of debian for touchscreens
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13:43<allu2>i'm thinking of buying cheap 80€ tablet with WM8505 cpu (i assume it uses the same chipboard WonderMedia 8505) and has 256MB Ram (cpu should be 350Mhz
13:43<allu2>and installing debian on it if possible
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13:47<jhutchins_lt>allu2: Google for linux on it, then for debian. You're trying to hit a pretty small target for people who have one with debian and are on this IRC channel now.
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13:48<sney>allu2: as for touchscreen support, usually pretty good as long as it's a regular touchscreen that appears to the system as a mouse
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14:11<houms>good day all, just installed deb testing x64 from netinstall. and after installed xfce xorg. when I log in I get to terminal when 'startx' it loads desktop but freezes keyboard, mouse, etc.. can anyone point me in the right direction?
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14:20<retrospectacus>houms check your Xorg log /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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14:24<sney>houms: does the /run directory exist on your computer?
14:24<kop>houms: If you're a new debian user see below:
14:24<kop>!tell houms about overveiw
14:25<kop>!tell houms about overview
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14:25<kop>houms: (Nothing to do with your problem, just general knowledge.)
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14:26<houms>not a new user, thanks though
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14:29<houms>sney give me a min. i will check
14:29<houms>thanks retro, also checking on that in a sec
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14:29<houms>trying to do too much at once
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14:41<Jaap>Hi everyone. I've installed squid3 on squeeze, everything seems set up fine, but when restarting it always says "Creating Squid HTTP Proxy 3.x cache structure ... (warning)." What's that all about?
14:42<dpkg>Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.
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14:48<gnugr>!tell Jaap -about transparent proxy
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14:51<Jaap>Thanks, but I must be missing your point. Squid is working fine, including ldap authentication and everything, except for the warning when (re-)starting. Lots of instances of this warning to be found on google, but no solution.
14:52<ompaul>Jaap: it warns you as a matter of course of what it is doing
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14:52<Jaap>So it's basically a notice, not a warning? How's logcheck going to like that?
14:53<ompaul>file something,,, tax returns, a bug something
14:53<ompaul>btw my comedy is bad today --- to tired
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14:53<gnugr>!squid deb caching
14:53<dpkg>[squid deb caching] To keep .deb files around for a long time with <Squid>, use a directive such as "refresh_pattern*.deb$ 129600 100% 129600" in /etc/squid/squid.conf. Replace "" with your Debian mirror's domain if required. Increase the value of maximum_object_size if necessary.
14:54<Jaap>No worries, it's ok, I'm wasted myself - left work two hours late after borking the build for everyone...
14:54<Jaap>I'll see if i can submit a patch for it myself. Thanks anyway!
14:54<omni>Would i ask basic questions here about Debian and installing items, or would there be another channel for that?
14:55<retrospectacus>omni: here
14:55<retrospectacus>!tell omni about overview
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14:56<retrospectacus>omni: you can talk to the dpkg bot and learn a lot, or just ask your question here
14:57<omni>Can you install Firefox on Debian? I've searched on the Software Center in Ubuntu, but i do not see it.
14:57<omni>Er Gnome
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14:57<ompaul>why would you want to when you have iceweasel the firefox built for debian
14:57<retrospectacus>omni: Iceweasel is Firefox, packaged for Debian
14:58<omni>Because i didnt know Iceweasel was for Debian.
14:58<omni>I'll check and see if that is downloaded yet and run that for Debian. Thank you :)
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14:59<omni>That is what i was looking for. Thanks again!
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15:01<houms>okay so retro there is no /run directory
15:02<houms>i looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and it is empty
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15:02<houms>anyone have any suggestions?
15:02<retrospectacus>houms: /msg dpkg run
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15:02<betinho>help please. Anyone can give the directions to write a program that listen from two virtual serial ports and be able to sending and receiving for both?
15:02<retrospectacus>not sure how that's related though
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15:03<houms>retro not sure i understand what you want me to do?
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15:03<retrospectacus>houms: talk to dpkg (is a bot in this irc channel) - say to him: run
15:03<edbian>I'm at school. nmap on my own ip reports that all 1000 ports are closed. Does this mean I won't be able to torrent?
15:04<retrospectacus>edbian: no it does not mean that
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15:04<edbian>retrospectacus: Ok thanks. transmission is asking for a port (they're all closed so...) do I need an open port?
15:05<retrospectacus>it should open the port once you choose it
15:05<retrospectacus>and nmap probably won't check that port by default
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15:05<edbian>It has a little test port button (in transmission) that I assume it to see if firewalls are blocking my port. No matter what port I choose the test port button returns that the port is closed.
15:05<houms>then what?
15:06<retrospectacus>nmap only scans well-known ports by default. Transmission should be using a high random port
15:06<edbian>retrospectacus: Yeah I'm assuming that when nmap says 'all 1000 ports are closed' it's checking 1 - 1024 or soemthing
15:06<ompaul>edbian: eh, if you think it is smart to use a schools network for sharing debian cds by torrent they won't believe you when they notice the traffic and shut you down and move you out the door due to some rule you have not seen yet ;-)
15:06<ompaul>no it is 1000 interesting ports
15:06<retrospectacus>edbian: yes your school is not forwarding that port on its main gateway of course.
15:06<edbian>retrospectacus: But it does forward most ports e.g. ssh
15:07<houms>so i have no error log for xorg and the whole laptop locks up when i 'startx'
15:07<edbian>can I just tell transmission to use 22 ?
15:07<edbian>Do I need a port for transmission to work?
15:07<retrospectacus>edbian: no, you are confusing incoming and outgoing connections
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15:07<retrospectacus>edbian: if I ssh to your school, will I get to your PC? of course not
15:07<edbian>Does transmission want an outgoing port?
15:07<edbian>retrospectacus: Yes you can
15:08<edbian>retrospectacus: I do it all the time (it's really nice :D)
15:08<edbian>Then I am not confused
15:09<edbian>perhaps there is a difference between wired and wireless
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15:10<edbian>I'll clarify. I have two machines. The first I can ssh into and has a wired connection. Torrents work on this machine
15:10<CyL>Is there any GTK fronted for LVM?
15:10<edbian>The second machine is wifi, I have never tried sshing into it. nmap reports 'all 1000 scanned ports are closed' and I cannot torrent on it
15:10<edbian>I need to know why I cannot torrent
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15:11<weedeater64>CyL: try aptitude search gtk lvm
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15:13<edbian>More important question. Trying to get wifi up on machine 1. Can wpa_supplicant connect to a wpa2 network?
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15:14<riley>hey- is it possible to change my password on a debian machine without knowing the current password?
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15:14<retrospectacus>riley: yes you can do it as root
15:14<riley>i dont have root
15:14<retrospectacus>riley: then nope
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15:17<vincenzo>buenas compañeros
15:18<vincenzo>tengo algunas inquietudes a ver si me pueden ayudar
15:18<retrospectacus>vincenzo: hello. English only please.
15:18<vincenzo>hello again
15:18<vincenzo>i have some questions
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15:18<retrospectacus>please, just ask
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15:21<edbian>I've followed this guide. When I try to connect to my schools WPA2 network the card searches in vain for a DHCP address on interval 3, 8, etc etc. I am able to connect to the unencrypted network
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15:22<retrospectacus>edbian: apparently there is no DHCP server on the wireless. Consult your network administrator.
15:23<edbian>retrospectacus: Machines connect to WPA2 wireless all the time via dhcp. My Ubuntu machine is on it right now
15:24<vincenzo>at work we are about to implement a SAN (sotrage area network) but the manufacturer (EMC) provides support only with debian lenny and would like install debian squeeze on our servers, so do not give us support, the question is what problems can i have configuring the storage in squeeze? should i installa on lenny or lose it the support of the manufacturer and install squeeze?
15:24<retrospectacus>oh yeah... dunno, I use the nm-applet - never felt the need to fight with wpa-supplicant
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15:28<edbian>What is the name of that package? I can't seem to find nm-applet in the repos? I thought that was the name
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15:29<retrospectacus>vincenzo: It really depends on the technical details of the SAN. You could install Lenny, get the SAN setup and possibly upgrade to Squeeze
15:29<kop>vincenzo: If you're serious about your data, and you must be to pay emc and pay for support, then you want to go with what the manufacturer supports.
15:29<retrospectacus>edbian: network-manager
15:29<edbian>retrospectacus: That's something else I think
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15:30<retrospectacus>edbian: apt-cache show network-manager-gnome
15:30<kop>vincenzo: (It'd be sane to check before buying that they'll get squeeze support before Debian stops supporting Lenny.)
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15:31<vincenzo>ummm... i see
15:31<vincenzo>the the best option is lenny for now i supose
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15:31<retrospectacus>certainly. Lenny is still supported and gets security updates
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15:32<vincenzo>How much longer will support lenny?
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15:34<edbian>retrospectacus: I see. netapplet is some little thing that runs in the notification area. network-manager-gnome is correct. Thank you
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15:34<daemonkeeper>vincenzo: Oldstable gets roughly one year of security support after the next major version has been released.
15:35<daemonkeeper>vincenzo: Given that, you can expect support until Feb. 2012
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15:36<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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15:36<houms>okay this is very strange, i installed xfce gdm and xorg only and it gets to gdm login but only the hot key buttons work not the regular keys
15:37<houms>for example fn+f8 dims the screen
15:37<houms>that key works, but i cannot type in my creds for example
15:38<houms>so i can turn the brightness down and up but only the fn + fX buttons seem to work
15:38<houms>what am i missing here?
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15:39<weedeater64>!beer weasel
15:39*dpkg pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for weasel
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15:40<SynrG>houms: Fn keys are handled by acpi
15:40<SynrG>the others by the input layer
15:40<SynrG>as to why your input is busted, dunno
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15:44<SynrG>any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that might relate?
15:44<SynrG>you could pastebin that and we could examine it ...
15:44<SynrG>(i say "we" in the broadest terms, as i'm on the bus and therefore have 99% lack of connectivity)
15:44<SynrG>houms: ^^
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15:44<Master>hi all
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15:46<Guest564>what's up ubudduies
15:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:54<edbian>My network is wpa2 enterprise. wpa_supplicant does not support wap2 enterprise :(
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15:57<Hydroxide>earruda: it should support wpa2-enterprise, though I'm not sure which frontends do
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15:58<houms>SYNrG thanks bud
15:58<edbian>Hydroxide: Are you talking to me?
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15:58<houms>unfortunately the log is empty
15:58<Hydroxide>edbian: yes, sorry, I meant to address you instead of earruda. tab completion is quirky sometimes :)
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15:59<SynrG>my wpasupplicant says it does. WPA with EAP
15:59<SynrG>wpasupplicant 0.7.3-3 (mind you, i'm on sid ... but i thought i saw this stuff in there before)
15:59<SynrG>see the readme
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15:59<SynrG>edbian: ^^ see README.gz
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16:00<retrospectacus>houms: that log *should* be full. Perhaps check /var/log/syslog and see if there was a write error
16:01<edbian>How can I find out where that readme is stored? Using synaptic?
16:01<dpkg>README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
16:01<kop>edbian: Same place as readme.debian.
16:02<kop>edbian: (See also: locate, apt-file, dpkg -L)
16:02<edbian>ok thanks
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16:07<edbian>Here is my /etc/network/interfaces. The password has quotes around it.
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16:08<edbian>When I try to ifup wlan0 it searches for a DHCP address and doesn't find it. Anyone see anything wrong?
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16:12<Dennis>Hello Debians.
16:12<Dennis>I don't know if you remember I was in here yesterday?
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16:13<retrospectacus>Dennis: I recall your name, but you should ask from the beginning
16:14<erik>what debian? 5 or 5
16:15<Dennis>Well, it was about my server that all of a sudden stopped responding on all services & ports. I decided to shut it off for the night, and start it up today and then make some heavy firewall blocks, so that I could make some searching in the logs etc without getting disturbed. My question now is how do I add that firewall block? I have never gotten into iptables, but would like to learn it. Anyway - I would like to block everything on all ports,
16:15<Dennis>except for my ip on ssh. Is that possible - and if yes, then how?
16:15<retrospectacus>erik: do you have an actual question?
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16:16<erik>no thanks
16:16<retrospectacus>Dennis: iptables -A input -s 182.your.ip.39 -j ACCEPT
16:16<retrospectacus>Dennis: then iptables -P input DROP
16:16<kop>Dennis: You have to a) understand something of networking. The debian reference or the (old) networking guide at would help. b) Understand iptables. man iptables. (I prefer using something like ferm or shorewall to raw iptables. YMMV.)
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16:17<erik>Dennis start here
16:17<retrospectacus>Dennis: you will want to read further and fully understand the commands. You can easily lock yourself out, even by entering the rules in the wrong order.
16:17<Dennis>Oh yeah. Crap. Someone linked me a link to a HOWTO on yesterday. I must have forgotten to save it. Damn
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16:17<kop>Dennis: But, as retrospectacus says. You need 2 rules. One allow followed by a drop everything.
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16:18<Dennis>But I will definitely read up on it. I'll go search some websites and look at the links you gave me
16:18<Dennis>Thank you very much
16:18<kop>Dennis: "aptitude show ferm"
16:18<Dennis>what does that do?
16:19<kop>Dennis: Shows a description of the ferm package.
16:19<Dennis>Ah, okay
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16:29<houms>i see in syslog that there is a reference to [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: failed to load fuc409d
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16:30<houms>is there a way i can remove the nouveau drivers for the time being and use something else
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16:30<houms>origianally my plan was use the nvidia prop. drivers the card is GTX 460
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16:31<SynrG>edbian: dunno. i don't configure wpa_supplicant that way. i use a roaming setup and then add stanzas per network in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ... you may have to change wpa-key-mgmt to suit your network
16:32<houms>SynrG you still on bus?
16:32<SynrG>home, finally
16:32<sney>say I have a ttf file. where do I put it? and do I have to run some kind of updater? I always forget how to fonts
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16:33<SynrG>!tell houms about nvidia dkms
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16:33<SynrG>that should blacklist nouveau automatically, so you don't need to remove it
16:34<CyL>sney: just double click the file and than click to install it
16:34<sney>haha, but I am not in gnome. I got the answer anyway
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16:34<houms>damn should i just copy and paste?
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16:37<houms>thanks SynrG, will give it a go.
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16:37<houms>I like the ! tell, how long has that been around?
16:37<Dennis>Lol, I started my server from my VPS providers website, and now 15 minutes later it's still marked as "Server starting" .. I think my provider has a problem?
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16:38<edbian>SynrG: That's a wpa-key-mgmt is a stanza I need to put in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/wpa_supplicant/... ?
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16:39<Vlam>I just bought an EEE PC netbook and my FN key does not work. Well partially, I can turn off the screen, put it in sleep mode, and change screen brightness. The power off wireless key and volume controls do not work.
16:40<Vlam>Is there a way to map the fn key in the keyboard shortcuts configuration?
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16:43<Vlam>I enter xev in the terminal and press my fn key and it outputs nothing.
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16:45<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: It's a modifier key, often implemented in hardware.
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16:45<Vlam>Is there a way to fix it, jhutchins_lt?
16:46<Vlam>I'm not sure why some keys work and others don't though
16:46<jhutchins_lt>Vlam: If the hotkeys package has a driver for your system it might be, otherwise no.
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16:47<Vlam>Well I know there is eee-pc repo for Debian
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16:49<craigevil>try installing eeepc-acpi-scripts if you do not alreay have it installed
16:49<craigevil>eeepc-acpi-scripts - Scripts to support suspend and hotkeys on the Asus Eee PC laptop
16:49<Vlam>Does it work on installation or do I have to restart?
16:50<craigevil>should just work, but you never know
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16:52<riley_>hey- say i have a server: can i have just a public ssh key on the server and the private key on my computer at home?
16:52<riley_>or will that not work?
16:52<jhutchins_lt>riley_: Generate the keypair at "home".
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16:53<mjr>if you mean to connect to the server from home using that keypair, yes, that's how it's supposed to work
16:53<riley_>like- the server will have no id-rsa file
16:53<riley_>just a
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16:54<riley_>will that work: jhutchins_lt
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16:56<Vlam>I restarted and the keys do not work still.
16:56<jhutchins_lt>right, pub key on the remote, private on the one that initiates the connection.
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16:57<Vlam>So I'm not sure what I can do to fix my keyboard issues.
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17:03<pid001>may someone look at this: ; the mouse in the first works, the other not. This is after an sid and an xserver-org update. Xorg.conf looks good and does not have errors.
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17:04<sney>pid001: anything else upgraded? do you have a /run directory?
17:06<pid001>I updated a lot, but the mouse and keyboard stopped working after xorg/nvidia update
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17:06<pid001> /run where, at / ?
17:07<pid001>(I fixed keyboard by Option "AutoAddDevices" "false"
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17:15<sney>pid001: well if you disabled autoadddevices, did you specify the mouse device?
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17:18<pid001>sney: this is my old (not working) xorg.conf:
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17:23<sney>you should probably specify the protocol for the mouse, also did you verify that device node?
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17:24<pid001>yes, the node 'works', it spills garbage when I 'less' it and move the mouse.
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17:24<pid001>what would be a proper protocol?
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17:26<sney>pid001: usually logitech uses IMPS/2
17:27<pid001>k, I'll try
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17:28<pid001>no, still dead mouse
17:30<Holborn>pid001: In the ServerLayout section you need to specify the mouse identifier
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17:31<pid001>yes, I did
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17:32<Holborn> InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" this is what you have ... almost in the xorg.conf you put in pasyebin ... the identifier do you have for the mouse is : Identifier "Logitech G5"
17:33<Holborn>chnage Mouse0 for Logitech G5
17:33<pid001>yes, i did, then again the mouse is not moving. It is visible, no errors in xorg.0.log.
17:34<pid001>if i change it back to mouse0 with the 'mouse' driver, it works again
17:34<Holborn>then try to change the Option protocol in the InputDevice section
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17:35<Holborn>oh ... yes ... better with the mouse driver :-)
17:37<pid001>you mean, I should use the 'mouse' driver instead of evdev?
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17:39<pid001>hm, yes, I can live with that. Although I'll loose 2 buttons (wheel left/right). But strange anyway, it work before.
17:39<pid001>sney, Holborn: thanks!
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17:40<Holborn>man mouse .. they are a lot options for the driver to enable the buttons ... check .. also maybe changing the protocol ..
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17:42<pid001>protocol is on auto, it chooses ExplorerPS/2
17:43<Holborn>ops is man mousedrv :-)
17:43<pid001>ah :)
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17:46<womp>Would using the btnx package help?
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17:49<pid001>womp: yes, I once had it (a while ago) and it helps. if the mousedrv options doesn't work, i guess I'll use it again. Thanks1
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18:01<it0>hi what's up
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18:01<it0>I don't byte
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18:05<SynrG>ah, rats. missed an eeepc question (the answer to that one is to add boot parameter acpi_osi="Linux")
18:05<SynrG>(for Vla)
18:05<SynrG>er, Vlam
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18:06<sret>SynrG: did you see the new stuff?
18:06<sret>is it ok?
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18:31<GyrosGeier>does anyone know how to tell the kernel to use MSI rather than the regular PCI IRQ routing?
18:31<GyrosGeier>the latter fails, hard.
18:32<GyrosGeier>as in, two devices assert the same level-triggered IRQ and get confused
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18:36<jordan>my audio output doesnt work needs help
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18:37<jordan>ok audio still works but the audio jack doesnt
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19:01<safinaskar>required = essential + their dependences???
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19:14<daemonkeeper>safinaskar: Not sure what exactly your question was, but no. Essential is an additional flag, where required is a simple priority. See
19:14<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: i know that
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19:14<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: formally it is two different things
19:15<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: but in fact required = essential + their dependences
19:15<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: prove
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19:16<daemonkeeper>Depends on your point of view. As developer those are different things. For the user the only difference is when you try to remove an essential package.
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19:24<peter1138>hi hi, is there a way to automatically 'fix' the boot order in /etc/rcS.d?
19:24<peter1138>my lvm stuff is happening after mount :S
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19:30<Arrowmaster>it should be automatically done
19:30<peter1138>by what?
19:31<peter1138>i think this system was etch originally, and then upgraded to lenny
19:31<peter1138>hasn't bee squeezed yet
19:31<daemonkeeper>No insserv then
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19:32<peter1138>hmm, wait a moment... S26lvm2...
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19:46<peter1138>well, balls, now i'm stuck as to why this lvm partition isn't mounted on boot up
19:47<peter1138>a mount -a afterwards works correctly
19:47<safinaskar>how to print all packages, depending on this? recursivelly
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19:50<safinaskar>sney: no, depends
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19:51<daemonkeeper>apt-cache depends $foo?
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19:53<safinaskar>daemonkeeper: no, resurcivelly
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19:54<dpkg>hmm... rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo
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19:56<edbian>Can someone confirm for me that pianobar is not working. I get an error about a bad protocol
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20:00<edbian>I found this bug: Does this mean I have to wait 2 years for Debian to put out a new release?
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20:03<safinaskar>edbian: of course,no
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20:03<daemonkeeper>edbian: No idea what your application is used for, but if it turned useless now because of a server incompatibility, the maintainer could consider putting it in proposed-updates
20:04<edbian>daemonkeeper: Ok thanks
20:04<daemonkeeper>edbian: Check for existing bug reports in Debian
20:04<edbian>daemonkeeper: internet radio
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20:11<edbian>It was already fixed and placed in proposed updates
20:12<edbian>thanks for the help
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20:31<Planet8>Is there a way to check the health of an USB flash drive?
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20:33<nevyn>Planet8: nope.
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20:33<nevyn>Planet8: the remapping is completely opaque to the host.
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20:33<Planet8>nevyn, thanks
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20:34<nevyn>Planet8: untill it starts to eat your data. then you know it's broken
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20:36<Planet8>nevyn, I have some boot problems when I try to run a live distro from it. I know it's possible to boot from USB from the machine.
20:37<Planet8>I get "device descriptor read/64, error -110" errors
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20:55<Vanillux>Hi, i wanted to announce the creation of a new Linux distribution which will be a standalone Rolling-release APT Gnome3 distribution, see more on We are in dire need of volonteers
20:56<cthuluh>good luck!
20:57<Vanillux>thank you
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21:00<Silicium01>I would like to upgrade my computer memory and was wondering if there's anything I shoud be aware of? I have Squeeze 6.0.1 kernel 2.6.32-5-686. How much memory would my system support at max?
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21:03<cthuluh>Silicium01: using a bigmem kernel, min(mobo_max_capacity, 64GB)
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21:05<Silicium01>cthuluh, are there any issues with using bigmem kernel? will anythign be different? Anything I should know about? I've never done this before...
21:05<Silicium01>I'm basically deciding if I should get 4 gb with regular kernel or 8 gb with bigmem
21:05<cthuluh>the only issue I've heard about bigmem was the intel xord driver that was eating the cpu (on unstable, one year ago)
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21:06<cthuluh>and it was on experimental, not unstable
21:06<Silicium01>with 4 gb of ram I would not need bigmem, is that correct?
21:07<sney>you would, since video memory is included towards that total
21:07<sney>so if you had 256M of video memory, it'd only be able to see 3.6something GB of your system ram
21:07<cthuluh>you would be near the limit
21:08<sney>anyway, that intel driver issue has likely been fixed
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21:08<Silicium01>what happens if say I have 8 gigs of ram and no bigmem?
21:09<Silicium01>I have a Lenovo T400 by the way
21:09<sney>Silicium01: the OS just sees however much it can see
21:09<cthuluh>you only see 3.5-4 GB
21:09<Silicium01>I see
21:09<cthuluh>Silicium01: isn't this laptop running a 64bits kernel?
21:10<sney>no he said 686
21:10<cthuluh>err*, cpu
21:10<sney>but that's true, if the cpu can do 64-bit, you can use a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland
21:10<Silicium01>I have 686 because I was not able to run skype with 64
21:11<Silicium01>sney, userland?
21:11<sney>Silicium01: as in, everything that isn't the kernel. applications and libraries etc.
21:11<sney>64-bit kernel, drivers, and memory limits, 32-bit everything else
21:12<sney>it's another option anyway
21:12<Silicium01>Interesting. And I would not have to reinstall the system?
21:12<sney>just download the kernel package from and install with dpkg -i
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21:12<Silicium01>How are "things" affected when you have 64bit kernel but 32 bit everythign else?
21:13<sney>what kind of things?
21:13<Silicium01>Everything runs/behaves as usual?
21:13<sney>I don't know about everything, but in a normal case sure
21:14<Silicium01>but most recomended thing to do would be to use bigmem, is that correct?
21:14<sney>go ahead and try it now, when you install a new kernel it doesn't replace the old one, just adds a boot menu option
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21:14<sney>so you can see for yourself and make your own decision
21:14<Silicium01>sney, wow, that is cool
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21:14<Silicium01>what package should I look for?
21:15<Silicium01>So basically I wold install 2 more kernels, one 32 bit with bigmem and one 64 bit one?
21:15<sney>it'll say -686-bigmem or -amd64 in the name, respectively
21:15<sney>(assuming squeeze)
21:16<Silicium01>sney, so that's it? two packages added to my squeeze install via apt and I get 2 more menu options during boot?
21:16<sney>well, 4 more, a recovery option for each
21:16<sney>but yeah
21:17<Silicium01>I remember once getting some linux headers packages for something, dont know what it was. Will I need to get that stuff for each new kernel?
21:18<sney>depends on what it was, maybe
21:18<sney>stuff that needs to be built, like nvidia drivers
21:18<sney>gotta go, back on in a bit
21:18<Silicium01>thanks for advice sney
21:18<Silicium01>cthuluh, thank you
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21:42<dominique>hello everyone
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21:57<retrospectacus>hello dominique
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22:05<dominique>hi, could anyone help me with plymouth?
22:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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22:06<cthuluh>!tell dominique -about plymouth
22:06<dominique>sney: hello, how you're doing:
22:06<sney>I'm alive
22:07<dominique>sney: good to know :)
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22:08<dominique>guys, I've been trying to change my login manager option on kde, but i can't do that because I can't login with a root acount and I can't change it with a regular account... how do I change those settings?
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22:09<sney>why can't you login with a root account?
22:10<dominique>it seems that root accounts are not allowed in graphical environments
22:10<sney>that's true, but you can get a root terminal and change it that way
22:10<weedeater64>Allowed yes, recommended not so much.
22:12<sney>some of the *dms don't let you
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22:13<dominique>sney: and how do i do that?
22:13<weedeater64>what is '*dms*' ?
22:13<sney>gdm, kdm
22:14<sney>dominique: from a root terminal you can edit configurations, install software, use update-alternatives to change default applications ... etc
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22:15<dominique>sney: I know I can, I just don't know how to :)
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22:20<sney>dominique: then read the overview, and read the manual pages
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23:01<arturo>hey does anyone use ubuntu? i need a little help
23:02<arturo>i need help using airmon-ng and airplay-ng
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23:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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23:22<daddy>hello all
23:22<daddy>anyone know how or where to get updates to play dvd on ubuntu 11.04 ?
23:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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23:30<reklipz>I've got a machine that I use to store movies, music and tv on, as well as to play this content through my television and stereo; it's a NAS/Media Center of sorts (amongst other miscellaneous services, such as httpd and git). I've been sharing the storage via Samba, but lately it's starting to get on my nerves; I know there are more automated and specialized services like UPnP AV and DLNA (a bastardization of UPnP from what I hear), but a
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23:31<kop>reklipz: I lost everything after DLNA.
23:32<reklipz>I want to keep Debian on the machine, and I want the ability to boot into Gnome and use it as a desktop (I'm not 100% on how mythtv works, but it sounds rather heavy for what I'm looking for), but it would be nice to not have to worry about mounting the NAS to play music; streaming would be awesome
23:32<reklipz>kop: DLNA is near the end of my question. Does that mean you understood what I was asking?
23:32<kop>reklipz: You could try a streaming server like icecast.
23:33<kop>reklipz: No.
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23:33<kop>reklipz: Various IRC clients truncate, depending.
23:33<reklipz>kop, oh, I see
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23:33<reklipz>I've been sharing the storage via Samba, but lately it's starting to get on my nerves; I know there are more automated and specialized services like UPnP AV and DLNA (a bastardization of UPnP from what I hear), but are these the only available options?
23:34<kop>reklipz: mythtv has it's own client/server separating display from transcoding/etc. But it does not separate storage from the mythtv back end. At least not last I looked.
23:34<reklipz>I think MythTV fits the bill well, but it's become really heavy.
23:34<reklipz>I can use the server for the backend, that is fine.
23:34<kop>reklipz: Then I think you need the client for the front end.
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23:35<reklipz>It would be cool to have clients for my phone and my desktop and laptop, and then a front-end on my server/htpc
23:35<kop>reklipz: There's also nfs. But it all depends on your clients.
23:35<reklipz>Well, I want more than just a file system.
23:35<reklipz>UPnP AV sounded like what I wanted, but I hear it's overcomplicated.
23:36<reklipz>Is MythTV in Debian?
23:36<reklipz>Hearing words like Mythbuntu makes me cringe, and it's been a while since I've used Myth.
23:36<kop>reklipz: It's in dmm at least. Or see for alternate approaches.
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23:37<reklipz>dmm rings up as digital multimeter in my brain
23:37<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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23:37<sney>includes stuff like mencoder
23:37<reklipz>Thank you.
23:37<reklipz>I thought mythtv was open source
23:37<reklipz>It's just because of the non-free codecs?
23:37<sney>it is, but there are licensing issues with some of the components
23:38<vook>I just configured an NIS server using : I seek guidance now on getting a client setup to authenticate with it.
23:38<kop>reklipz: Patents don't care about open source.
23:39<kop>vook: Lordy. (I ditched nis for ldap.)
23:39<reklipz>kop: Right, but if it was an issue of patents, then the source would be able to be distributed in the first place, right?
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23:39<kop>reklipz: Yes, but debian distributes binaries.
23:39<vook>kop: it's a task that I've been assigned
23:39<reklipz>Sounds shady...
23:39<kop>reklipz: (And I suppose the real answer depends up on where you live.)
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23:40<reklipz>Are we talking the CSS deal here, or something more?
23:40<kop>reklipz: Patents are different from CSS, which is DMCA. A different law.
23:42<reklipz>kop: I guess the logic in my head is that if some src violates a patent then the folks holding the patent can go after the folks distributing the src, and keep them from distributing the src.
23:43<reklipz>In which case, I can't really see MythTV existing.
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23:44<akerl>reklipz: I feel like you're confusing "Is covered by a patent" with "violates a patent"
23:45<reklipz>akerl: likely so; I thought something similar when typing the phrase. care to share?
23:45<reklipz>I'm not sure if you can really "violate a patent"
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23:46<akerl>From my understanding (IANAL), the packages in question have code which, due to patents/etc, cannot be freely distributed in all cases and forms.
23:47<akerl>For which reason, they get tossed into nonfree repos, so that they can be distributed in a legal manner without causing freedom issues with debian proper.
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23:47<kop>reklipz: No The first admendment protects descriptions of patents. Patent law prohibits distribution of "working machines".
23:47<reklipz>so, essentially, in some form they are free, but in all forms they are not DFSG-free, and thus cannot be included in Debian proper.
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23:48<akerl>reklipz: That is my understanding of it. It's entirely possible that I'm mistaken, however.
23:48<kop>reklipz: They are DFSG free, but are illegal to distribute and Debian won't violate the law.
23:49<reklipz>so, this Christian Marillat is violating US law, then?
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23:49<kop>reklipz: IANAL. The only way to find out for sure is to go to court.
23:49<kop>reklipz: But basically, yes.
23:50<reklipz>What if I was to use his distribution, then?
23:50<reklipz>It sounds like the problem is with distribution, not use.
23:50<kop>reklipz: The US court system has decided that software is not math and so can be patented; which flies in the face of computing theory but there it is.
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23:50<kop>reklipz: You must pay what the patent holder says to use something patented.
23:51<reklipz>kop: assuming the patent holder even allows that much
23:51<kop>reklipz: That's the essence of patent law.
23:51<kop>reklipz: Right.
23:51<reklipz>(brief online reading says it applies to companies and manufacturers, not individuals)
23:52<reklipz>e.g. I can whip it up in my basement all I want
23:52<kop>reklipz: No. It's just that suing individuals is not profitable.
23:52<reklipz>anyway, I'm curious of the details, maybe I can find some more
23:52<kop>reklipz: It's civil law, not crimmnal. Although lately copyright volations can be criminal so who knows.
23:52<kop>reklipz: has some excellent articles on patents.
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23:58<edbian>I have a root account on my system but I never use it. I use sudo. Some dialog boxes that pop up want my sudo password (gksudo) and some want root's password (gksu) how can I easily fix this? Can I remove the root user
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23:59<reklipz>searching mythtv patent on google doesn't yield much
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