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00:00<kop>reklipz: If you find the patent you're violating you're liable for "willful infringement" and treble damages.
00:00<reklipz>lol, win
00:00<kop>edbian: You can't remove the root user, but you can disable login. But then whatever want's root's password won't work.
00:01<edbian>kop: Mmm. Ok thanks
00:01<kop>edbian: Sudo makes your system less secure because only a user account need be cracked to get root access.
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00:02<edbian>kop: There are only two users, me and root. I'm not really worried about it
00:02<kop>edbian: (FYI, it's not considered polite to cross-post here and on freenode.)
00:03<edbian>kop: :P You caught me
00:03<reklipz>kop: though, depending on the type of users and the password policy enforced, it may be just as easy to crack the root account than to crack a user account
00:03<kop>edbian: Some remote explots get a user account, but not root.
00:03<edbian>kop: Really? Like what?
00:04<kop>edbian: You'll have to google yourself.
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00:09<lili>why#apt-get install xorg ,,get failed with libmpfr4 connecting failed,since i can install others like tree irssi.??
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00:36<weedeater64>Is the bible-kjv package really needed to search the bible-kjv-text ? Or can it be done with standard utilities ?
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00:42<ayaka>I try to config ip tunnel in /etc/network/interface, but it doesn't work
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00:50<ayaka>I want to share some file but I don't want to use samba or nfs angthings else ?
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00:52<retrospectacus>weedeater64: try grepping the files in ''dpkg -L bible-kjv-text''
00:52<axe>ayaka, ftp, http, scp
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00:53<ayaka>axe, but I want somthing like samba
00:54<ayaka>axe, ftp is not safe
00:54<retrospectacus>ayaka: what do you mean, "like samba"
00:55<ayaka>retrospectacus, nice to meet you again, did you help me about ipv6 yesterday
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00:56<ayaka>retrospectacus, it can mount as a driver
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00:59<ayaka>axe, but scp may be a good choice but it's hard to use except linux
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00:59<retrospectacus>ayaka: there is sshfs
00:59<ayaka>retrospectacus, I will google it
00:59<retrospectacus>ask dpkg about it
01:00<axe>ayaka, hard to use winscp? =)
01:00<kop>ayaka: Or check out the fireftp plugin for sftp support.
01:00<ayaka>retrospectacus, yes, I have done
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01:01<kop>ayaka: Why not samba/nfs?
01:01<todd>Greetings everyone
01:02<weedeater64>looks like all data files, so grep no. but bible-kjv-text comes with a look up, thanks retrospectacus
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01:02<ayaka>kolter, retrospectacus axe thank all of you
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01:07<ayaka>if I want a user for scp file ower , I don't it have shell, which shell shall choice for it when I use useradd?
01:08<kop>ayaka: /usr/bin/nologin is a favorite.
01:09<ayaka>kop, thank you, scp doesn't need shell , does it ?
01:09<kop>ayaka: I wouldn't think so. (I've not tried it.)
01:09<jm_>or scponly or ...
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01:09<kop>jm_: That's a shell?
01:10<todd>Greetings, kind of an oddball question here, is there an alternative to gkrellm or a way to make the cpu display small enough to allow a lot of processors to be displayed on the same screen?
01:10<ayaka>kop, while, how do you config your ssh server for sftp or scp
01:10<kop>ayaka: I don't. You need to read "man sshd_config" to find out. (Or maybe somebody here knows offhand. But I think you want to read it.)
01:11<ayaka>kop, I will , but I ask just want a best way
01:11<axe>todd, conky
01:12<kop>ayaka: jm_ points out that the scponly package could be helpful.
01:12<todd>conky.. hmm.. well, going to require a bit of reading I suppose.. I'd like to be able to monitor the processors real time in certain situations but I haven't found anything yet that will fit all of them on the screen at the same time
01:12<ayaka>kop, jm_ thank you
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01:13<jm_>kop: sort of
01:13<todd>But I greatly appreciate the suggestion axe, I'll do some research and check into it
01:13<kop>ayaka: There might be a ssh faq somewhere. (But it's from openbsd and I know they don't have such a thing on their site.)
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01:14<jm_>todd: gkrellm has a "composite" mode for CPU-s if that helps
01:14<todd>Lol.. ya, tried it.. they still won't all fit
01:14<todd>It's kind of a .. well, it's a big system
01:15<jm_>if composite mode is enabled it only shows one graph for all CPU-s
01:15<todd>Oh, gotcha.. well, unfortunately that would get a bit confusing.. here.. this might help explain what I'm up against
01:16<jm_>I also miss a feature in gkrellm which would draw all CPU-s on the same graph with different colours - kinda annoying to have several graphs (having a quad core system, which is common nowadays, takes a lot of screen estate, and then imagine running two gkrellms ...)
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01:17<jm_>I took a quick look at source code to see how easily doable it would be, but it would be too much work for me
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01:18<todd>Lol.. know what you mean jm_ - trying to monitor all 16 cores at once is nearly impossible with most any utility I've tried thus far
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01:20<jm_>todd: it's kind of odd that no-one thought to show multiple lines on the same graph
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01:21<todd>Bizarre isn't it, how what you think would be the most straightforward common sense feature isn't included in almost any program that serves that purpose?
01:21<todd>I did really like the CPU monitor that XFCE had for it's panel, very slick, but I really need gnome on this system for a variety of reasons
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01:28<bones_was_here>todd: htop is quite good, not gui but it displays separate CPU meters on at least on 8 cpu boxes
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01:29<todd>Ah... well I've got 16 cores to deal with so it's kind of hard to get a cpu monitor that will 1) handle that many and 2) display it in a format that is somewhat decipherable.. lol
01:30<bones_was_here>i expect htop would work...
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01:32<todd>I'll have to check it out.. thanks bones_was_here
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01:35<ayaka>does we have some directory like /etc/sysconfig/ ?
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01:39<dmitry>Доброго времени суток. Может ли кто-либо подсказать по функционалу LibreOffice?
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01:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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01:52<zero_>hi, please tell me what is the name of package that contains non-free drivers (wifi)
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01:55<jm_>zero_: unless you mean firmware package, I have no idea what you are asking about
01:56<zero_>jm_: yes i mean the firmware package
01:56<jm_>zero_: firmware-linux-nonfree
01:56<jm_>there are very few WIFI firmware files in it AFAIK
01:57<gsimmons>zero_: Is this for the PowerPC system you mentioned in here previously?
01:57<jm_>other WIFI related firmware files have their own non-free packages
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01:57<zero_>gsimmons: no, i have a msi notebook with a ralink wifi
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01:58<zero_>jm_: apt says that the ppackage isnt there
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01:58<jm_>zero_: just go to debian's wifi wiki page and follow the instructions
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01:59<zero_>jm_: how can i activate non free repo's from console
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02:00<Torsten_W>zero_, edit your sources-file
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02:00<jm_>zero_: the wiki has instructions for this too, which chipset is it?
02:00<Torsten_W>zero_, and you will need firmware-ralink
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02:06<Golden_Kumquat>So I'm trying to install Debian, and for whatever reason it's not detecting my hard disk. I tried the suggestion at, but it just said "Could not find kernel image: linux".
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02:07<jm_>what is "it"?
02:07<Golden_Kumquat>The installation'
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02:07<jm_>what is your installation method?
02:08<Golden_Kumquat>I did the graphical install
02:08<Golden_Kumquat>And it's the one with the ~180 MB CD
02:08<jm_>so you're booting from CD and it says that at the beginning?
02:09<Golden_Kumquat>When it gets to the Detect Drives step
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02:10<jm_>switch to tty2 and inspect things there
02:11<Golden_Kumquat>Just hit F2?
02:11<jm_>or ctrl-alt-f2 to make sure
02:11<Golden_Kumquat>Okay, I'm in TTY2
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02:12<Golden_Kumquat>What should I be looking for?
02:12<jm_>check /proc/partitions
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02:13<Golden_Kumquat>It just says "major minor #blocks name"
02:13<Golden_Kumquat>Doesn't seem to list anything else
02:14<jm_>ok then check what kernel found: dmesg
02:14<Golden_Kumquat>Lots of stuff
02:14<armani>what does this mean: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffea0011683178?
02:14<Golden_Kumquat>What should I be looking for?
02:15<jm_>armani: kernel bug or hardware problems usually
02:15<jm_>well check if it found any IDE/SATA controllers
02:16<Golden_Kumquat>dmesg | grep sata returned nothing
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02:17<Golden_Kumquat>dmesg | grep ide got me "[1.906166] ide0: BM-DMA at 0x9b00-0x9b07"
02:17<armani>jm_, is there any way to fix it? i'm hoping it's not something that i need to reinstall squeeze or buy new hardware then install squeeze...
02:17<Golden_Kumquat>And "[1.906170] Probing IDE interface ide0
02:18<Golden_Kumquat>And "[2.472804] ide0 at 0x9f00-0x9f07,0x9e02 on irq 16"
02:18<jm_>armani: well try to inspect all it says to find out which subsystem it occured in
02:18<jm_>and your system has IDE disks?
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02:18<Golden_Kumquat>It's SATA, IIRC
02:18<jm_>which controller? lspci -nn
02:20<Golden_Kumquat>SATA controller [0106]: JMicron Technology Corp. JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA Controller
02:20<jm_>Golden_Kumquat: didn't it also list its PCI ID?
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02:20<jm_>[abcd:efgh] form
02:21<jm_>judd pciid 197b:2363
02:21<judd>[197b:2363] is 'JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'pata_jmicron' in squeeze. See also
02:21<jm_>see if this module is loaded -- lsmod|grep ahci
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02:22<Golden_Kumquat>ahci 32374 0
02:22<Golden_Kumquat>Looks like it
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02:23<jm_>ok check what it says in dmesg output
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02:23<armani>jm_, not sure what i'm looking for? There's an EXT4-fs error just before my kernel bug, and then there's a last sys file @: .../power_supply ; followed by modules linked in: (which is a lot of modules)? Are any one of these the culprit?
02:23<jm_>dmesg | egrep 'ahci|ata'
02:23<jm_>armani: is your system still operational?
02:24<Golden_Kumquat>Getting lots of stuff
02:24<armani>jm_ yes, it's bootable, i've fsck it and fixed whatever errors there previously were
02:25<Golden_Kumquat>A few things about SATA link down, though
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02:26<jm_>armani: ok so try and paste it all on some pastebin
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02:26<jm_>link down is normal for ports where nothing is connected
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02:27<armani>jm_, here is the pastebin:
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02:28<Golden_Kumquat>Unfortunately the output scrolls off the screen
02:28<Golden_Kumquat>Should I further refine the search?
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02:33<jm_>you can use a pager: dmesg | egrep ... | more
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02:33<jm_>armani: that ext4 error looks problematic, but not sure what to think about the other ones, perhaps try memtest as a start
02:33<Golden_Kumquat>Ah, so more is installed
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02:34<jm_>installation media contain busybox I believe, so many commands are available
02:34<Golden_Kumquat>ata7: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m8192@0xfbafe000 port 0xfbafe100 irq 18
02:34<Golden_Kumquat>Is that what you're looking for?
02:34<armani>jm_, thanks, i'll give that a try,..see if anything turns up,..
02:35<jm_>no, it will show that for each port, look for all ata1 ... ata7 lines if it says anything about link status
02:35<jm_>[ 2.608205] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
02:35<jm_>as an example
02:36<Golden_Kumquat>[ 1.638089] ata2.00: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300)
02:36<jm_>and what does it show below that line?
02:37<Golden_Kumquat>[ 1.6380101] ata2.01: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
02:37<jm_>and is it the only one?
02:37<Golden_Kumquat>Only one with "link up"
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02:38<jm_>hmm perhaps try libata.noacpi option
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02:39<jm_>well it's kernel/module parameter, I suppose you can't unload ahci module as it is being used by cdrom drive
02:40<Golden_Kumquat>Well, I meant, where would I try it?
02:41<jm_>like I said, if you can unload the module then you can pass it to module when loading it, but if this doesn't work, perhaps passing it as a kernel parameter will work (in boot loader)
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02:42<Golden_Kumquat>How would I unload it and pass it?
02:42<jm_>rmmod, modprobe ahci noacpi=1
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02:43<jm_>or wait, this isn't ahci module parameter but rather libata I guess, so that's not right
02:43<Golden_Kumquat>Also, rmmod wasn't found
02:43<R33D3M33R>hello, I reported a bug yesterday ~20 hours ago, I didn't receive a copy of it in my mail yet and it hasn't appeared on the bugs page. How long should I wait before reporting it again?
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02:45<jm_>right, it must be for libata since ahci has only one parameter
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02:47<Golden_Kumquat>So what would I enter?
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02:47<jm_>try booting your kernel with that parameter: libata.noacpi=1
02:48<Golden_Kumquat>Oh okay
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02:51<Golden_Kumquat>Could not find kernal image: libata.noacpi=1
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02:51<scinl>Did fgetty break for all using it, or just those trying to recently install/configure it? I'm currently using getty again, does anybody know how long until I can install/configure fgetty?
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02:55<bones_was_here>R33D3M33R: when i've had to do one it's shown up in less than an hour, 20 seems excessive to me
02:56<bones_was_here>it works by email, so there's no guarantee of the message actually reaching the recipient, sounds like time to submit it again
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03:13<armani>jm_, my first time using this memtest86, test#2, is stuck at 22% and the errors per memory slot: 0: ( it's in the 8 digit range now...) with max contiguous errors: 1....should i stop it? or just let it ride out?
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03:13<armani>i have bits in error too...seems like faulty ram...
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03:13<jm_>armani: just let it run, I think it took about 1 hour for me with 2G of RAM
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03:13<jm_>armani: ok if memtest finds it then definitely there is something wrong - I had memory issues that it didn't find, so having found them is a bad sign
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03:15<armani>jm_, pulled out the first stick of ram and i'm letting go through one at a time, because the first test with both rams stalled with error interrupt at cpu0..
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03:25<R33D3M33R>bones_was_here: ok, thanks
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03:32<ajdlinux>APT has just tried to upgrade my machine to libc6 2.13-2 on amd64, and it seems I now have no functional C library :/
03:33<ajdlinux>Anyone else having problems with it? I'm no longer able to start any sort of process, at all...
03:34<jm_>you're using sid but can't check BTS?
03:34<ajdlinux>Was just checking BTS...
03:34<weedeater64>what is BTS ?
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03:35<ajdlinux>Bug Tracking System
03:35<jm_>!tell weedeater64 -about bts
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03:36<ajdlinux>Seems it's fixable... the new package evidently hasn't made it out to the mirrors yet though :(
03:36<jm_>the last mail gives you info how to fix it until then
03:37<ajdlinux>Well it's not like I'm able to install the new package anyway...
03:37<ajdlinux>So yes, manual fix it is.
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03:42<evaluate>I have a little problem with dovecot on localhost. It seems to run fine, but if I try to connect to it with 'telnet localhost 143', I just get 'Trying' and it just hangs there. Any idea what the problem could be?
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03:43<evaluate>I checked iptables and nothing seems to be blocked. Here's the output:
03:44<jm_>evaluate: well perhaps it expects some input then
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03:44<evaluate>Also output of lsof, which shows that dovecot seems to be running fine:
03:45<evaluate>jm_, normally dovecot should output the greeting message upon succesful connection (usually "Dovecot ready." or something like that).
03:45<jm_>evaluate: then strace it to see if it receives and accepts the connection
03:45<evaluate>But that doesn't happen, it just hangs on 'Trying'
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03:45<evaluate>jm_, sorry, I'm not sure how exactly I should do that...
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03:46<jm_>evaluate: strace -p dovecot_pid
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03:47<jm_>did you try to telnet after strace was started?
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03:47<evaluate>And it just stays like that, even when I do 'telnet localhost 143'. I guess it should show something when I try to connect, right?
03:47<evaluate>jm_, yes I did.
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03:48<jm_>evaluate: so the connection doesn't reach it it seems
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03:48<jm_>evaluate: what if you try its non-localhost IP?
03:48<evaluate>Well, iptables doesn't seem to be blocking anything, what else could be the problem?
03:48<evaluate>jm_, you mean the IP I get in ifconfig?
03:49<jm_>evaluate: yes; did you also check NAT table?
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03:49<evaluate>With the IP in ifconfig it's exactly the same. Not sure what a NAT table is...
03:50<jm_>iptables -t nat -L
03:50<evaluate>Seems to be empty:
03:51<jm_>and you're sure telnet is doing the right thing?
03:52<evaluate>Well, if the version of telnet that I'm using doesn't have a major bug that might make this fail, I guess it should. It worked before on a previous installation...
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03:53<jm_>strace what show what it's doing, you can also try nc
03:53<evaluate>Also, my /etc/hosts file: It was created 'manually', I might have done something wrong there, although I got it from a system that worked...
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03:55<evaluate>strace of 'telnet localhost 143':
03:55<evaluate>I don't really understand what that strace means...
03:55<Gi0va>hi guys
03:56<Gi0va>how can i download all security updates of debian etch?
03:56<jm_>it means connect doesn't return
03:56<jm_>Gi0va: there are no more security updates for etch
03:56<Gi0va>yes i know
03:56<Gi0va>but old releases? cause i have to made a mirror
03:56<Gi0va>i have used debmirror to create it
03:57<Gi0va>and i also want to save security updates unitil the last
03:57<jm_>old releases are on the archive site
03:57<evaluate>jm_, and I guess the fact that it doesn't return is bad, right? Any idea what the reason could be?
03:57<jm_>evaluate: yes; why do you have that strange 5740G entry in the hosts file?
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03:58<evaluate>jm_, not sure, it's supposed to be the hostname...
03:58<Gi0va>for example, if the last image for netinstall is etch_r09 it includes all the security updates?
03:58<jm_>evaluate: typically the hostname is associated with its real IP, not with localhost
03:59<jm_>evaluate: also, what does your ifconfig -a show?
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04:00<jm_>evaluate: you don't have lo interface configured, that is your problem
04:00<jm_>evaluate: try 'ifup lo'
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04:01<evaluate>jm_, "Ignoring unknown interface lo=lo."
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04:01<jm_>evaluate: what do you use to manage network interfaces?
04:01<evaluate>/etc/network/interfaces is empty, might that be the reason?
04:01<evaluate>jm_, wicd
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04:02<jm_>evaluate: ok try adding auto lo\niface lo inet loopback\n to the interfaces file (\n = enter), or make sure wicd configures it properly
04:02<evaluate>ok, let's see.
04:03<evaluate>Heh, it works.
04:03<evaluate>jm_, thank you very much for your patience!
04:03<jm_>evaluate: mentiones that interfaces file should contain this with wicd
04:03<jm_>evaluate: no worries
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04:10<gsimmons>Gi0va: Almost all security updates made available for Etch were incorporated in its last point release (4.0r9). Use can use "--root=debian-archive/debian-security --dist=etch/updates" with debmirror (on to retrieve these regardless.
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04:18<ayaka>I don't full undertand what debian doc said, if I have a hotmail account and I want to reciver and send mail to Internet by it, does I need MAT?
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04:31<Lillymon>A recent libc6 upgrade in sid seems to have fucked my system pretty badly. Neither sudo nor su work now, even ls fails to function. All are giving "bash: /bin/su: No such file or directory" or similar. This seems really really bad.
04:32<jm_>Lillymon: let me repeate this once more; you're using sid but can't check BTS?
04:33<Lillymon>Is that asshole for "Yes and you deserve it"?
04:33<jm_>no, it's a different way of saying - at least check BTS first before mentioning it here
04:34<Lillymon>I'm not even certain what's broken, and my question is more along the lines of "If I see what I just posted, is it merely bad or catastrophically so?", that doesn't seem like a difficult question to answer and a very important one to boot.
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04:35<jm_>depends on the context - are you asking about using the system or fixing it?
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04:36<zem>10:30 < bluewater> watch out
04:36<jm_>bleh at least have them find it by themselves
04:37<zem>i would, but i just clicked that link in another channel a minute ago, so couldn't help myself...
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04:50<R>vm wiht debian
04:52<R>hellp me
04:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:54<Lillymon>Or don't ask, just fuck off. It's what everyone really wants.
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04:57<arand>Lillymon: Please keep it civil.
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04:58*bluewater who rang? .. ahh hrhr
04:58<Lillymon>It would help if we had a common definition of 'civil'.
04:59<Torsten_W>at the moment, you trolling
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05:00*Lillymon is literally laughing out load right now. Seriously.
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05:06<SynrG>er, sure.
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05:06<vizor>hi guys, today I updated elibc on one of my machines and it broke the system
05:07<vizor>even init can't start
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05:07<Torsten_W>vizor, wron channel
05:07<Torsten_W>sid is not a topic here
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05:08<vizor>hm, where can I ask about sid's problem&
05:08<Torsten_W>ever read the topic?
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05:09<vizor>yeah, sorry, missed this
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05:20<eshat>ahhh dist-upgrade destroyed libc
05:20<eshat>system is unusable
05:21<SynrG>eshat: -> #debian-next
05:21<manishe>revert it from backup
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05:28<ayaka>I don't full undertand what debian doc said, if I have a hotmail account and I want to reciver and send mail to Internet by it, does I need MAT?
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05:30<jm_>ayaka: you mean MTA? it depends on what hotmail offers
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05:50<timonator>is the libc breakage being discussed here?
05:51<timonator>or is that something for #debian-next?
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06:18<josep>I'm running sid and today I did the usual apt-get dist-upgrade and failled when it attempted to upgrade to libc6 2.13-3 and then it completelly broke my system, because I can't start any program any command fails, and now I can even boot the system, anyone else it's having this problem?
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06:27<jm_>josep: check the BTS to find the fix
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06:27<jm_>josep: also check the topic to find the right channel for sid
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06:29<josep>thanks jm_ I already checked BTS
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06:30<zxd>where can I ask questions about update-initramfs
06:30<jm_>josep: so you found it?
06:30<zxd>and initrd
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06:31<jm_>!tell zxd -about ask
06:31<zxd>i remember a channel called debian-boot don't know if it's appropiate to ask there
06:31<daniele>hello! i have an unstable machine. just run apt-get upgrade. apt tried to upgrade glibc. probably something went tremendously wrong
06:31<zxd>the problem is update-initramfs ignores whatever shell I choose in my scripts
06:31<zxd>it auto defaults to /bin/sh
06:32<zxd>and it uses #!/bin/sh instead which uses dash and that is bad
06:32<zxd>. /etc/initramfs/hooks/myscript for example has . #!/bin/bash
06:33<daniele>now my system is completely broken. attempt to run executables fails with 'No such file or directory'. tried to boot with a netinst cd, entered in rescue mode. chrooting to the root filesystem fails with the same error
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06:33<daniele>ideas on how to recover my system?
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06:34<jm_>daniele: 1. read the topic to find the right channel for sid, 2. check BTS
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06:35<daniele>jm_: sorry. i haven't noticed the topic. i haven't found anything in the eglibc package BTS
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06:37*bluewater bbl
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06:39<Torsten_W>daniele, as a sid user, you should realy learn, how to use the bts
06:39<jm_>daniele: really? how about this then ? or this ?
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06:42<zxd>the problem is update-initramfs ignores whatever shell I choose in my scripts, auto defaults to /bin/sh and it uses #!/bin/sh instead which uses dash and that is bad, . /etc/initramfs/hooks/myscript for example has . #!/bin/bash
06:42<jm_>zxd: which scripts?
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06:43<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
06:43<scinl>Wrong factoid, sorry.
06:44<daniele>Torsten_W: jm_: thank. i do not know how i missed it. also reading the topic of #debian-next has been enough
06:44<daniele>Torsten_W: jm_: i was sure i was not the only one experiencing the problem
06:45<jm_>daniele: correct
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06:47<feanor>Holp me! I'm broken from the inside!
06:48<feanor>after installing windows 7, partition sda9 disapeared!
06:48<feanor>but I installed windows in sda1
06:49<feanor>and "cfdisk" says
06:49<feanor>FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder
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06:49<daniele>jm_: thank you again. cheers
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06:49<feanor>but "fdisk" does not print sda9 anymore!
06:50<feanor>how is that possible?
06:50<feanor>how can I recover that 2partition entry?"
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07:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:04<babilen>Ak47: #debian-br --
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07:07<grummund>Hi, how can i wipe an old 'etch' install and re-install with Debian 6.0 without er-writing the partition table?
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07:10<jm_>grummund: use advanced installation mode and skip partitioning, it will re-do your file system
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07:14<grummund>jm_: do you mean "Expert install" from boot menu ?
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07:14<morlix>does somebody know how i can set the mouse acceleration and sensitivity in squeeze?
07:15<jm_>grummund: yes
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07:15<lidy>q tal?
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07:15<morlix>i found xset, but i don´t know how to use it :-(
07:15<@weasel>read the manpage?
07:16<lidy>teneis tuenti???
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07:16<morlix>i read it, but i didn´t understand it
07:16<morlix>everything i found via google is to use xset, which i dont understand
07:16<lidy>do yo like tuenti?
07:17<@weasel>lidy: do you have a question regarding debian? if not, go away or stay quiet?
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07:17<jm_>morlix: xset m 3 5
07:17<jm_>experimetn with numbers etc.
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07:18<morlix>i read that the first number is the acceleration, but i don´t catch the relation with the second number
07:18<babilen>morlix: Do you use gnome? If so, the acceleration can be configured in the control-center -- Another method would be to create a device specific configuration file for your mouse/trackpad in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) and configure it according to "man mousedrv" or "man synaptics"
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07:19<morlix>babilen: no i build a custom thinclient image with live-build and want the mouse to be configured via a script. Thanks for these hints!
07:20<babilen>morlix: Ok, I was unaware of your setting. But shipping a tailored Xorg config should still be possible, shouldn't it?
07:20<jm_>it makes sense to mention such details so people don't mention commands which are not so suitable for such setups
07:21<rhada>trying to create a cert with openssl in squeeze the line is openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -out /etc/news/cert.pem \ -days 366 -keyout /etc/news/key.pem
07:21<rhada>getting invalid option -days
07:21<rhada>is it all one line?
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07:22<@weasel>you probably don't want that \ there
07:22<morlix>currently i have a tailored xorg.conf, but there are still people which are not happy with this config
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07:23<morlix>but thanks anyway... i think i got the correct hint
07:23<rhada>weasel: ok I will give that a try
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07:24<grummund>jm_: the installer (in expert mode) does not seem to allow to skip the partitioning step
07:25<jm_>grummund: I have certainly skipped it in the past, can't you simply quit cfdisk that it starts I believe?
07:25<grummund>looks like i need to assign mount points, but tht cannot be done without also writing the partition table (even though it is not changed)
07:25<nevyn>jm_: you have to assign the existing partitions to mountmpoints
07:25<demooriaan>you just need to tell which partitions to use
07:25<nevyn>grummund: it can too.
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07:26<jm_>nevyn: yes, but that doesn't mean editing/writing part. table
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07:26<rhada>weasel: hows the tor project going?
07:26<nevyn>jm_: right.
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07:31<grummund>"Finish partitioning and write changes to disk" - will this write the partition table?
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07:31<rhada>weasel: thanks you were correct works fine now
07:31<@weasel>glad to help
07:31<rhada>weasel: can you pm me please or I could send a mail to you at debian if you prefered?
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07:33<@weasel>rhada: about what?
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07:33<nevyn>grummund: only if there are "Changes"
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07:59<betinho>hi people. I'm creating two pty with socat PTY,link=/tmp/ttyA PTY,link=/tmp/ttyB (simulate two serial port). I would like to test sending/receiving to one (ie. ttyA). How i can do it?
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08:01<betinho>sorry ... i forget to say that i would like to test with shell commands
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08:10<rhada>weasel: many thanks
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08:24<mucio>da qui si scarica qualche programma per caso
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08:46<snogglethorpe>hi; my debian system got trashed today -- after an upgrade, it stopped working, no programs would run
08:46<snogglethorpe>i think it was a bogus version of libc6
08:46<snogglethorpe>when I try to reboot, it says it can't exec /sbin/init
08:47<snogglethorpe>so, in grub, by remoingt the "root=..." parameter, I can get a shell using the initrd
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08:47<snogglethorpe>and from there, by tweaking the environment (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=,..., PATH=..., etc), I can kinda get things to run
08:48<snogglethorpe>i have the .deb files from befor ethe upgrade on the disk
08:48<snogglethorpe>and dpkg seems to basically work
08:48<snogglethorpe>using the --root=/mnt option
08:49<snogglethorpe>but when I do "dpkg --root=/mnt -i /mnt/var/cache/apt/archives/libc....deb", it sucessfully gets as far as running the preinst
08:49<snogglethorpe>but then barfs, saying it can't exec /var/lib/dpkg/
08:49<snogglethorpe>(and the same for postinst)
08:49<snogglethorpe>i dunno why it can't run those...
08:49<snogglethorpe>anyway, is there any dpkg option that tells it to not run the preinst/postinst?
08:49<snogglethorpe>(doc doesn't seem to show, but ...)
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08:50<snogglethorpe>or does anyone know if there's a better way to run dpkg when the target device isn't mounted on /?
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08:50<snogglethorpe>(the bogus libc6 version is 2.13-3, I think, and I'm trying to downgrade to 2.13-2)
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08:51<snogglethorpe>[this is my computer at work, so I don't have it handy right now...]
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08:52<demooriaan>see the last comment
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08:55<demooriaan>no blind updating of sid! it _will_ break, sooner, or later
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08:56<snogglethorpe>so probably I can just boot into the initrd and make the symlink from there
08:57<jm_>the last mail in 626450 explains how
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08:58<snogglethorpe>hm, what's this "break=init" param? [I was just removing the root=... parameter to get a shell]
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08:59<ompaul>Break just before control is handed over to /sbin/init.
09:00<ompaul>and with that I have to go ;-)
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09:00<snogglethorpe>so it sounds like the symlink is all that's needed, but just out of curiousity, any idea what could be causing the preinst/postinst probs?
09:00<snogglethorpe>[trying to run dpkg from initrd]
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09:01<user_>hi, if i install from the debian live cd will that give me a pure debian install?
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09:02<user_>meaning debian live cd = debian ... not something that is binary compatible with debian
09:02<dvs>user_: yup
09:02<demooriaan>is it from debian?
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09:03<user_>also the during the partitioning of the disk that part that says 'erasing data on scsi1 (0,0,0) partition #5 (sda)' takes hours to do ... is that normal?
09:03<demooriaan>well, tehn it will not install windows, or?
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09:04<user_>demooriaan: you know i bet it won't be like install knoppix or sidux or something strange like that
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09:06<demooriaan>you've chosen not to make a new partition, so it erases the files found on it
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09:09<user_>demooriaan: thanks ... did you understand my comment about making sure i install debian and not something 'debian-like'
09:09<demooriaan>yes, of course
09:09<user_>ok and this way will get me pure debian ?
09:10<grummund>How would one go about recovering a deleted file from NTFS partition, based on searching for file contents?
09:10<demooriaan>as the live cd is pure, nad originally from debian
09:10<user_>demooriaan: thanks
09:10<user_>i've just never install debian via a live cd
09:10<user_>only via netinstall
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09:12<catsup>grummund: there's a package that does that
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09:14<catsup>grummund: testdisk... only supports certain file types...
09:14<grummund>catsup: if you mean ntfsprogs, it fails... hence i'm looking to search for the file contents and recover some/all the data that way
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09:14<grummund>hmm, ok i'll look at that
09:15<catsup>yeah i understand
09:15<catsup>testdisk does just what you want, however, it only recognizes certain file types
09:16<grummund>ntfsundelete does not list it so i think the directory entry must be overwritten
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09:17<catsup>that shouldn't matter if the file is intact
09:17<catsup>(and not fragmented)
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09:18<grummund>strings /dev/sda16 | grep 'known-string' does show the data is there
09:18*grummund looking at testdisk ...
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09:20<cg_>!beer dpkg
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09:24<longshanks>any exim gurus in the house? how to I find out why a message is frozen?
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09:28<chahibi>I began to get rkhunter errors after upgrading to squeeze
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09:29<chahibi> here are the warning messages
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09:31<grummund>which console based browser is recommended for viewing html pages under /usr/share/doc/* ?
09:31<babilen>grummund: I like w3m
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09:35<longshanks>grummund: either lynx or links are good
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09:37<demooriaan>chahibi: your rootkit-hunter tells you that files have changes, well it happepes so when upgrading, or installing (replacing) packages
09:38<chahibi>demooriaan: so rkhunter is badly integrated with debian
09:38<grummund>longshanks: thanks. not a guru, but i would unfreeze the message(s) and tail the logs for clues
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09:39<demooriaan>from where shall rkhunter from oldstable know the hashes from stable?
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09:41<themill_>chahibi: it's not badly integrated, you just haven't configured it correctly. One of the things you need to do is to tell it the hashes of the files on your machine so it can then know when they change; you did that once when you first installed it but have not done so again since your upgrade.
09:41<demooriaan>chahibi: you may read docs from rkhunter
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09:42<chahibi>themill_: can it be configured to do so whenever a core package is upgraded?
09:43<babilen>chahibi: Please read /usr/share/doc/rkhunter/README.Debian.gz -- Hashes (and ways to update them) are discussed in there among other things.
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09:45<chahibi>I am activating the daily run
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10:10<CyL>Hi, it looks like my gdmsetup is missing some options (for example, I cannot change the login windows theme, the background image or even the welcome message), even when it is run as root. Am I missing something here?
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10:14<Lethalman>CyL, simply not implemented in gdmsetup
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10:15<CyL>Lethalman: So I cannot change those options?
10:15<Lethalman>CyL, yes, but not using gdmsetup
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10:15<CyL>Lethalman: what do you suggest?
10:16<longshanks>grummund: All the frozen messages are bounces on a backup MX. Exim quite rightly won't bounce them again to prevent mail loops. Guess the only thing I can do is disable notification of frozen messagees via freeze_tell.
10:16<Lethalman>no idea, start searching the internet if you don't find help here
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10:18<houms>does anyone know the difference between dkms dmakms?
10:18<CyL>Lethalman: well, I came here because I was not making much progress on the internet, but I have already found some useful information, but it involves changing text files, and I would like to avoid that if possible, thanks for your advice though
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10:18<houms>i am trying to install nvidia driver for new laptop
10:18<Lethalman>CyL, you have to change those text files :)
10:18<houms>looking at aptosid instructions but they are saying to use dmakms
10:18<houms>seems to be a aptosid package only
10:19<CyL>Lethalman: I1m not afraid of doing so, is that sometimes minor changes invlove a lot of learning...
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10:21<kop>CyL: You'll find rfc2821 and 2822 essential background material that's easy to skim.
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10:21<CyL>kop: what are those about?
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10:22<kop>CyL: (Beyond that I find postfix very sane to configure, but have no exim configuration experience.)
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10:22<dpkg>somebody said rfc2821 was Simple Mail Transfer Protocol. J. Klensin. April 2001. (Obsoletes RFC0821)
10:22<CyL>kop: Well, I was talking about gdm :)
10:23<kop>CyL: Ugh. Got confused.
10:24<kop>CyL: May as well do gdm3 because gdm is going away.
10:24<CyL>kop: No problem, lol...
10:24<kop>CyL: Don't forget to leave comments in the text files to say _why_ you did what you did.
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10:24<CyL>kop: I don't have to, I can remember reverithing I do for an infinite amount of time...
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10:25<CyL>kop: just kidding, of course ;)
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10:29<grummund>longshanks: that is symptomatic of a deeper problem, probably your MX is generating back-scatter in response to spam
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10:29<babilen>!tell houms -about nvidia dkms
10:29<grummund>longshanks: the frozen messages are just the bounces not possible to route
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10:30<houms>thanks grummund
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10:30<houms>i tried that yesterday and still have the same issue with x freezing on start
10:30<houms>hard freeze too
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10:31<houms>so i tried aptosid yesterday and following their instructions i was able to get video working perfectly
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10:31<Taru>que onda
10:32<houms>the only thing is they use dmakms and there is no package by that name in debian proper
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10:32<houms>so i am trying to figure out how i can install using there set of instructions as it seems extremely similar
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10:33<houms>but they have some other additions like add BUSID to 20-nvidia.conf and add a trailing # after EndSection
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10:33<houms>not sure if these are the things that make there install work and why the dpkg one you sent me doesn't work
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10:34<houms>so i think i will just install dkms instead and run through there instructions and see what happens
10:35<houms>not sure what the difference between using dkms vs nvidia-kernel-dkms is
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10:36<houms>any thoughts?
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10:37<sney>nvidia-kernel-dkms is just automated
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10:41<sney>also, if you do the build yourself, it won't update automatically when you install a new kernel
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10:45<babilen>houms: Oh, I wasn't aware that you addressed me. What problems do you actually run into when you use the nvidia dkms module? What are the actual errors you get? Is there something in /var/log/Xorg.0.log that would hint at the cause for these errors?
10:46<houms>it basically freezes the laptop as soon as the login page loads
10:46<houms>the xorg log is empty
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10:46<houms>mind you this occured even prior to the nvidia install
10:47<houms>which i assume the nv or nouveau driver was loaded
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10:47<houms>i then created xorg using Xorg -configure as suggested here yesterday and changed the driver to vesa
10:47<houms>same issue even with vesa
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10:48<houms>sorry babilen i should have mentioned i was replying to you above
10:49<sney>are you sure it's a freeze? my laptop waits a few seconds befoore it shows the login
10:49<sney>sometimes there's a lag, how long did you wait?
10:49<Guest639>Hi all! I have a newbie question: I am trying to create my first .deb package, but when I try to open it with Gdebi it says "the package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file."
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10:49<babilen>yes, do you also experience the freeze when you disable the graphical login manager? Could you disable it, compile the nvidia module and try it? What happens if you start the graphical login manager manually? What if you just start X directly? (with, for example, "X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm") -- Could you please go through and provide the information listed in there on ...
10:49<babilen>... ?
10:49<houms>no its a freeze i'm pretty sure as the keyboard and mouse are not responsive at all, caps lock doesnt even work, keft it for a few minutes still nothing
10:50<babilen>houms: Which version of Debian do you use?
10:50<longshanks>grummund: the frozen messages are mails that are rejected by the primary MX. so effectively the prmiary mx bounces back to the secondary mx but the secondary MX won't bounce again back to the source, as exim doesn't do this. Otherwise you'd get mail loops.
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10:50<houms>babilen netinstall of testing 64bit
10:50<houms>then installed xorg xfce4
10:50<houms>using startx i started to get the problem
10:50<longshanks>grummund: so it doesn't look symptomatic of a further underlying problem
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10:51<houms>then i tried install nvidia using what dpkg said , but that still froze
10:51<babilen>houms: You should have mentioned that early on -- Please come to #debian-next and work on the problem that your input devices don't work. This is most likely related to the /run+udev+initscripts transition.
10:51<houms>then created xorg file and changed driver to vesa and still got freeze
10:51<babilen>houms: I doubt that you are actually experiencing a hard freeze of the system, but think that you merely experience unconfigured input devices.
10:52<houms>sorry for not mentioning that earlier
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11:20<fosser_josh>i installed debian 6 on server and i am handling n/w of 50 pcs from that server i wanted to be netowrk on static ip wat to do for that
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11:20<sney>fosser_josh: man 5 interfaces
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11:21<flower>hmm one of my linux systems on my hdd doesn't boot anymore
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11:22<sney>flower: run a vendor diagnostic on that hard drive
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11:22<flower>sney: vendor diagnostic?
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11:23<sney>flower: yeah, hard drive vendors provide their own diagnostic tools for checking drive health. that looks like a hardware error, and even if it isn't, you should rule it out first
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11:24<sney>flower: since I don't know what your drive is, be it hitachi/seagate/samsung/whatever, I mean just go to their website, get the bootable dos diagnostic, and run it on the drive
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11:26<flower>I was busy with sound, then the system freezes and I shutdown the laptop
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11:28<sney>western digital
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11:30<sney>you don't need to link me, I'm not the one testing a hard drive
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11:31<flower>no? :)
11:32*flower grabs an cd rw
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11:33<demooriaan>ba e careful on that tool, it provides read-only, and rw diagnostics
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11:34<flower>demooriaan: should I use an other tool instead?
11:34<demooriaan>no, it the correct one
11:35<demooriaan>read the doc, make backup, just in case
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11:38<opalepatrick>Any ideas where to get a bit of pclzip support?
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11:45<fluppyduppy>hi, i cannot record stereomix. mic and what i hear. what can i do?
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11:45<fluppyduppy>i am using audacity.
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11:46<longshanks>wotcha people. quickie for ya.. if I have a box with multiple aliases (eth0:x) how do I make sure that traffic going out from the box uses the matching eth0:x ?
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11:47<longshanks>i.e. if traffic comes in on eth:1 I want the box to use the correct source address in any outbound traffic
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11:54<jhutchins_lt>longshanks: routing table should handle that correctly.
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11:57<longshanks>jhutchins_lt: Ah OK. Thanks. Must be some other reason why I can't run BIND on eth0:1 :(
11:58<longshanks>jhutchins_lt: If I'm on the box itself I can connect to DNS by IP. But from a remote box I can't. And I don't have any firewall rules.
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12:03<grummund>longshanks: ok, well what you'd have to ask is if mail with forged (but valid) headers is received at the secondary MX, and the primary MX will not accept it, then will a bounce be sent and where will it end up?
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12:04<grummund>longshanks: my suspicion is it could be sending bounces to inocent 3rd parties...
12:04<grummund>but it's your MX after all so WDIC :P
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12:04<longshanks>grummund: a bounce won't be sent as it'll be a secondary bounce and exim won't re-bounce.
12:05<longshanks>jhutchins_lt: if I use , say, ping on a box with more than one aliased IP. can I tell ping which interface to use?
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12:06<longshanks>grummund: all the forged addresses I recieve are usually from my own domain so I'm happy they're not bounced. as for valid bounces, well I don't know how to deal with bounces on an MX, because theyr'e always going to be a rebounce.
12:06<longshanks>sorry by MX I mean secondary MX.
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12:07<longshanks>jhutchins_lt: erm it's in the man page (of course!) so don't worry. ping -I
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12:10<grummund>longshanks: normally the primary MX does not send bounces to the secondary
12:10<grummund>longshanks: the primary should reject the mail during smtp transaction
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12:10<houms>does squeeze support second gen i7?
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12:21<retrospectacus>longshanks: not sure if you got sorted but outgoing traffic will be "from" whichever IP appears first in /etc/network/interfaces
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12:21<retrospectacus>I believe you can use iptables to override this
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12:28<john_>new here
12:28<scinl>Welcome, john_
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12:29<john_>thank you, just installed the new ubuntu 11.4. moved from windows 7
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12:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:30<scinl>I'm afraid if you seek Ubuntu support in here, 80% of the room will remain silent while the other 20% mocks you. :( Apologies.
12:30<john_>where do i key in # ubuntu? new to irc
12:31<scinl>Are you using IRSSI, or what?
12:31<john_>Apologies to but a fun for all.
12:31<CyL>Hi, after enabling compiz alt+f2 doesn't work anymore, any advice on this?
12:31<john_>am using xchat
12:31<retrospectacus>type /server -wait for it to connect and then /join ubuntu
12:31<houms>just type / join # ubuntu but no space in between / join and # ubuntu
12:32<houms>you have to put # i believe in front of channel
12:32<cahoot>clarifying indeed
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12:33<john_>on the chat?
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12:33<retrospectacus>john_: ye
12:33<jhutchins_lt>also no space between # and ubuntu: /join #ubuntu
12:34<john_>not responding just disapearing
12:35<retrospectacus>john_: type /server -wait for it to connect and then /join ubuntu
12:35<cahoot>does /server work in xchat?
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12:36<retrospectacus>not sure actually, but he needs to do that first
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12:40<Aniita>hola sala
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12:42<KaLel>nadie por aki
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12:52<KaLel>hola sal
12:53<KaLel>hola sala
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13:34<Class>hello i'm trying to setup idle logout from shell via ssh i added this two lines in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config
13:34<Class>ClientAliveInterval 30
13:34<Class>ClientAliveCountMax 0
13:35<Class>but it does not work
13:35<Class>more than one minute is expired from last activity and i'm still loged in the shell
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13:36<flower>hmm my WD drive has bad sectors and the WD tool couldn't repair it, the quick and extended tests failed
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13:37<flower>does this mean that I need a new hdd?
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13:38<flower>this debian install and windows still starts, the linux one on the other partition not
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13:42<Class>relogin needed :)))
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13:49<jhutchins_lt>flower: You could mark the bad sectors, continue to use it, and repair the linux install, but chances are more failure will happen soon.
13:50<jhutchins_lt>flower: If the bad sector count is stable, it might be ok, but if it's failing the WD tests that's not the way to bet.
13:50<flower>jhutchins_lt: howto mark it?
13:50<sney>indeed. better to just back up your important data and RMA the thing.
13:51<sney>as in, send it back to WD and they will replace it. assuming it's new enough, anyway.
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13:52<sney>that support page you linked earlier probably has the RMA information as well.
13:52<tharkun>hmm Gentlemen how on earth do i tell icedove to look for an imap server and not for a pop3 one?
13:53<tharkun>Nevermind i figured where the options screen ended up
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14:03<xixor>yo, it is alt+f1 that switches between consoles right?
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14:03<retrospectacus>or Ctrl-Alt-F#
14:03<retrospectacus>where # is 1 thru 5
14:04<Aprendiz>algém fala português?
14:04<xixor>ok, thanks, the alt key does not seem to be responding properly for me in linux with usb keyboards... alt+tab works in wmaker, but cntrl+alt+fx and alt+fx don't seem to work
14:04<xixor>wait, they do, I'm just dense
14:04<xixor>question withdrawn
14:05<retrospectacus>Ctrl- is necessary if you are in a DE
14:05<xixor>yes, that is what I was missing
14:05<xixor>I guess alt+n isn't mapped in irssi by default to switch irc windows
14:05<retrospectacus>and Ctrl-Alt-F7 is usually your DM again
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14:05<retrospectacus>xixor: it is for me
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14:06<xixor>retrospectacus: hm. strange, I wonder whats up, oh well, I am just setting up this little debian box that I am selling on craigslist
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14:07<xixor>no more home debian server for me.... le sigh, it is a sad day
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14:09<retrospectacus>tough times
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14:09<jhutchins_lt>xixor: At least you can get something for it. I tend to use stuff until it's so old I have to pay to have someone take it.
14:09<marcello^>who is responsible for ?
14:10<marcello^>I want to submit a pug but as it as a .net it is not in the bug system
14:10<marcello^>I mean a bug sorry
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14:12<retrospectacus>marcello^: has a Christopher you can email
14:12<marcello^>retrospectacus: you're reight thanks
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14:13<marcello^>I was wondering why I cannot upload a screenshot from a pacakge in unstable
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14:13<retrospectacus>marcello^: not sure what you mean
14:14<xixor>jhutchins_lt: yeah. I am trying to embrace minimalism and have less computers around. This is a dual core 1.86 E6320 cpu, 4gb ddr2 ram, 40gb ssd, great little silverstone mini-itx case, zotac 9300 mini-itx mobo, great little home server
14:14<tharkun>Gentlemen If i have a working imap account on a server. (I've been using it with mutt for several months now.) How can i debug why icedove is not loging into it?
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14:15<marcello^>retrospectacus: try to enter gnome-video-arcade for instance as a package name in
14:15<marcello^>its jquery auto search in stable I guess
14:16<retrospectacus>yeah that package is only in sid so that page don't recognize
14:16<marcello^>tharkun: this is a Mozilla problem google the mozilla knowledge base for thunderbird
14:16<marcello^>retrospectacus: I would like to know if it is a bug or a feature :)
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14:17<marcello^>I will write to Paul Wise I know him from the debian games mailing list
14:17<retrospectacus>marcello^: *shrug* email the webmaster :)
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14:17<marcello^>I have seen his name on the about page as well
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14:21<tharkun>marcello^: any other GUI MUA that you recomend (or use)?
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14:21<retrospectacus>tharkun: I use evolution fwiw
14:22<tharkun>retrospectacus: Thanks but i was looking for a lighter MUA
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14:24<marcello^>tharkun: I use Icedove as well
14:24<gnugr>tharkun: you have probs with incoming or outcoming? ( make sure you have SSL/TLS mode)
14:25<demooriaan>tharkun you may have a look at sylpheed (claws)
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14:26<retrospectacus>tharkun: aptitude search '~Pmail-reader'
14:27<tharkun>Gentlemen thanks a lot to all of you. gnugr yes, i am using SSL/TLS and it is the recieving edge that is not working properly.
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14:27<tharkun>demooriaan: I am alos testing claws-mail configuring right now
14:28<tharkun>retrospectacus: thanks I'll run that after lunch
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14:29<engla>how can I subscribe to all bugs for some packages? (I'm not a dd)
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14:32<unixabg>Greetings, is there anything special I need to do on netboot clients to make them boot tcp from nfs rather than udp?
14:32<xixor>yo, trying to debug alsa with my sound card, anyone have a .mp3 file on a webserver I could quickly download to try playing? searching for "free mp3 download" on google is full of nonesense, thanks in advance
14:32<gnugr>tharkun:well, check ports for each account
14:33<tharkun>gnugr: The weird thing it is indeed a working server. And it only fails on the gui parts. Mutt is working perfectly :(
14:34<dvs>xixor: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav
14:35<tharkun>same user loging through pop3 works flawlessly
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14:35<xixor>dvs: cool, thanks!
14:37<xixor>so it appears my sound problem has to do with permissions, root can play sounds only
14:38<sney>is your user in the 'audio' group?
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14:40<dvs>and log out and in again?
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14:42<xixor>sney: yep, just added my user to the audio group, still the same problem
14:43<sney>follow dvs's advice, log out and log in again?
14:43<xixor>closed the shell, opened a new xterm, that should count as a login/log out right?
14:43<xixor>I will have to restart x, thanks sney
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14:48<xixor>sney: yep, added user to the audio group, rebooted computer, audio still only plays as root unfortunately
14:48<xixor>maybe I didn't add the user to the group properly, useradd -g <username> <group> ?
14:48<sney>that would just add a user
14:49<cahoot>xixor: groups <user>
14:49<dvs>xixor: no "-g"
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14:49<sney>usermod -aG <group> <user>
14:49<xixor>ah, groups <user> shows I am not in the audio group, my bad, sorry
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14:50<xixor>my bad, sorry for wasting your time, thanks for the command sney
14:51<xixor>again, restarting x, cheers
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15:03<flower>I can't mount the partition with bad sectors, is there a way to recover the data?
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15:03<tharkun>gnugr, demooriaan, retrospectacus: I'll bug you guys later for tips on gui mua. I have to choose one for a medium size network to be adopted as the default mua.
15:03<sney>sometimes if you dd the raw partition to another device you can mount it then
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15:05<grove>In any case it's a good idea to dd it to a healthy disc and use that
15:06<demooriaan>in case dd doesn't read, there is dd-rescue (or is it called ddrescue)
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15:11<Grominx>what is dpkg
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15:11<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
15:11<Grominx>but what does it stand for
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15:12<grove>Debian PacKaGe
15:12<grove>(as far as I remember at least)
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15:15<Grominx>so to install debian is it all automatic or do i have to write code and compile it to help it install or what
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15:16<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
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15:17<retrospectacus>to install debian you certainly do not need to write or compile code
15:18<Grominx>for the link
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15:26<jhutchins_lt>Grominx: Generally most modern Linux distributions don't require any writing/compiling to install.
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15:26<jhutchins_lt>Grominx: Gentoo offers the option of automatically compiling and installing everything.
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15:27<Grominx>jhutchins_lt: thanks i was just wondering what is so hard about installing it.
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15:29<jhutchins_lt>Grominx: It's been easy for me. Sometimes there are problems due to new hardware that's not supported yet, sometimes a little working around stuff like proprietary firmware.
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15:29<jhutchins_lt>Grominx: Even installing over wifi works most of the time though.
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15:29<Grominx>oh ok
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15:30<jhutchins_lt>vm's, RAID, and encrypted volumes can be a bit tricky.
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15:34*grove has never had problems installing to an encrypted volume, and until I tried installing squeeze on some discs with some old RAID arrys and creating some new during install, I hadn't had problems with that either - son't think I've ever tried installing to vm's (except that's what you do when you install to encryoted volume)
15:35<fps>Hello. Is there a way to omit the Description column in dpkg -l ?
15:35<grove>fps: grep(1)
15:36<themill>fps: dpkg-query accepts a format specifier; or use aptitude instead (/msg dpkg aptitude search)
15:37<grove>I assume you meant line (not column), but grep is kind of hard for that
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15:37<fps>grove: I meant the whole column. I want to quickly get info about the version on my system
15:38<fps>themill: will look into it.
15:39<grove>fps: There are no columns is dpkg -l output, you probably meant the entire multi-line description field
15:39<themill>fps: «aptitude search ~i -F%100p%40v» or similar.
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15:40<themill>fps: dpkg -l doesn't show a multi-line description field, it does show columns of output (6 of them, fixed width)
15:40<fps>grove: Ah thanks for clarification, that is what I meant
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15:41<grove>themill is right, then a grep solution is actually easy (but silly)
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15:42<retrospectacus>apt-cache policy packagename | grep -E '\*{3}' | awk '{print $2}'
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15:44<themill>if only wanted a version of a single package, «dpkg-query -W -f='${Version}' packagename»
15:45<fps>Thanks everyone for the various suggestions
15:46<retrospectacus>both work for multiple packages as well, and on theemill's -f='${Version}\n' helps
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15:51<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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15:56<retrospectacus>j17man: hello
15:59<j17man>Greetings I need help regarding your experience debian connectivity in 5 or 6 with a Clariion X4 SAN
15:59<xixor2>hi everyone, is there a quick way to clear all the log files of my system? I am selling this box, just tryign to clear any data
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16:00<xixor2>going to try this command: find -type f -exec cat /dev/null > {} \;
16:03<j17man>Could someone tell me about your experience with a Clariion SAN X4 working with debian servers, you do not want to support me with this OS only with redhat but I am interested to use debian
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16:03<grove>xixor2: That will clear a little more than you log files, except that my experience is that commands trying to destroy the fs file-by-file usually fails partway through
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16:05<j17man>Hola hay alguien que me ayude??
16:06<xixor2>grove: yeah, I am a little leery of blindly trying commands, I am not a shell wizard
16:06<xixor2>grove: I ended up just using > filename.log manually
16:07<xixor2>anyway, thanks for the help everyone, #debian is such a great resource
16:08<jhutchins_lt>xixor2: Why not just format it and do a clean install?
16:08<xixor2>jhutchins_lt: time and energy
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16:09<jhutchins_lt>Pretty much automatic, less time and energy than hunting down everything and clearing it bit-by-bit.
16:09<xixor2>dont' have any debian installation media, not much time before buyer shows up
16:09<xixor2>yeah, probably didn't save much time
16:09<xixor2>but, I am done now
16:10<xixor2>anyhoo, later everyone, until the next time
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16:11<j17man>please i need to check that there are experiences with CLARiiON X4 debian
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16:21<jthomas_sb_>I've deleted my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net file and now I have no networking on one of my servers, can anyone tell me how to have udev recreate that entry like I thought it would?
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16:21<jthomas_sb_> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.ruls
16:22<retrospectacus>j17man: apparently noone here has tried it. You could ask in #debian / #linux on freenode, or google
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16:28<jthomas_sb_>google doesn't say how to recreate the file, that i can find
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16:29<retrospectacus>$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
16:29<retrospectacus># This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
16:29<retrospectacus># program run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
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16:30<retrospectacus>maybe that write_net_rules thing will do it
16:30<jthomas_sb_>i don't know how to make it do so. i've rebooted it
16:30<jthomas_sb_>i've tried to run that but its not just a program
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16:31<retrospectacus>maybe dpkg-reconfigure udev
16:31<jthomas_sb_>good thought...
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16:32<jthomas_sb_>but, no
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16:33<retrospectacus> /lib/udev/write_net_rules looks executable to me
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16:34<jthomas_sb_>yep but "run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file" is not.
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16:34<jthomas_sb_>then it says "missing $INTERFACE"
16:34<jthomas_sb_>if i run the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
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16:34<retrospectacus>ah put eth0 after it?
16:35<retrospectacus>/lib/udev/write_net_rules eth0
16:35<jthomas_sb_>same error
16:35<jhutchins_lt>So what causes /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules to run n the first place?
16:35<jthomas_sb_>not sure.
16:35<jhutchins_lt>It must be called by udev for some event.
16:35<sml>evening people. quick Q. if you have a BING that you're running as a slave, where does the zone data exist physically on the slave? In memory? In a cache file somewhere?
16:36<grove>sml: That's configurable
16:37<grove>(and I don't remember the default, but I believe it's somewhere in /var)
16:37<sml>grove: I've not set/overridden any option for that so I guess it'd be the default on Debian squeeze
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16:37<sml>did look in /var/named but doesn't exist..
16:38<sml>there is a /var/cache/bind but it's empty
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16:39<jhutchins_lt>sml: Look at the config file, it specifies where the db files are.
16:39<retrospectacus>sml: you should be able to track down the location from /etc/bind/named.conf
16:39<sml>Just wanted to check that the slave really is working..
16:39<retrospectacus>sml you can test it with the dig command
16:40<jthomas_sb_>run 'host' where is the IP of the slave
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16:40<jhutchins_lt>sml: Mine are in /etc/bind/
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16:41<grove>jthomas_sb_: It seems to be udev's preinst that originally makes that file
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16:41<grove>I'm trying to find out how it does it
16:41<sml>well in my named.conf.local I do specify Zones and in those zones I've specified slave, and where the masters are AND a file, but the records are not being put in that file. But it *seems* that the secondary is working as it should as I tried querying it using dig, and it's serving info not in those files; hence my Q
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16:42<jthomas_sb_>thanks grove i am still stuck and trying...
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16:46<jhutchins_lt>grove: It shold add a rule for any "new" device, shouldn't it? So the question is how do we make those devices "new" again? udevadm?
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16:47<jthomas_sb_>this is on a VMware setup BTW; I've added a few 'new' network cards already and its not doing anyhting
16:47<grove>jhutchins_lt: That's my understanding too, but I've never really tried to understand udev
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16:49<jhutchins_lt>jthomas_sb_: So what's in the file on the host?
16:49<babilen>jhutchins_lt: I did not follow the discussion, but removing the corresponding entries from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules always worked for me (if this problem is indeed about this)
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16:49<jhutchins_lt>babilen: The problem is that the 70* file was lost.
16:49<nyov>sml: i can't tell you about bind, but nsd would keep zone transfer data in memory until you tell it to write it back to disk files. so possibly bind does it too
16:49<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Perhaps if he created a blank one?
16:50<grove>On debian lenny I changed motherboard (all had onboard net) a couple of times, and each time the new network interface was found and named eth<next>
16:50<babilen>jhutchins_lt: It is not recreated automagically? Yeah, creating a blank one (with the correct permissions) might be a solution
16:50<jhutchins_lt>nyov: No, bind writes the file when received.
16:50<sml>nyov: thanks
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16:50<nyov>sml: see above. so something ought to be wrong there
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16:51<jhutchins_lt>Bind dates to when a name table might not all fit in ram.
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16:51<sml>jhutchins_lt: I got some error about being unable to modify the modification time stamp. But apart from that it said x records transferred, and as I said it appears to be working. I'm just trying to find some way to test the slave so I can be sure it works
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16:51<sml>I guess the best way of testing it would be to turn the master off ;-) bit risky though
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16:52<jhutchins_lt>sml: Resolve something against the slave.
16:52<jhutchins_lt>sml: Temporarily turn the master off - you can turn it right back on.
16:52<jhutchins_lt>sml: How many possible simultaneous users?
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16:54<sml>jhutchins_lt: I did resolve against the slave using dig and nslookup; seemed fine. Could be quite a few DNS lookups since it's on a busy email server
16:54<nyov>sml: if your test works with dig/drill/whatever, restart the slave and test again. maybe it couldn't write the data. should have lost it then after a restart
16:55<nyov>otherwise it must be lying around somewhere
16:55<sml>it's storying it some place since it's got the correct zone info on the slave. but yeah, just trying to make sure all is hunky dory before I do a real test of turning the master off
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16:57<sml>i do stuff like this in the log though: Transfer completed: 1 messages, 22 records, 551 bytes
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16:57<sml>just can't see them in the zone files that are configured via named.conf.local
16:57<jthomas_sb_>the file on the host is the first two lines telling me that the file was created by that /lib/udev/______ stuff. but nothing about the SYSTEM=="net" ... and the rest
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16:58<ballison2>i need to install libmysqlclient14, but when i try to apt-get it I get "couldnt' find package"... this is for Lenny
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16:59<shoko_asahara>hi all...
17:00<retrospectacus>,versions libmysqlclient14
17:00<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libmysqlclient14' was found in i386.
17:00<shoko_asahara>Installing windows7 fucked up my partition table,
17:00<shoko_asahara>sda9 is not listed anymore by fdisk
17:00<ballison2>retro: so what do i do?
17:00<shoko_asahara>and gpart reported this
17:00<retrospectacus>ballison2: what makes you think you need that?
17:00<babilen>ballison2: That package is in lenny -- There are some libmysqlclient15* packages. Why do you *need* 14?
17:01<retrospectacus>ballison2: you probably want libmysqlclient16
17:01<retrospectacus>,versions libmysqlclient15
17:01<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libmysqlclient15' was found in i386.
17:01<retrospectacus>,versions libmysqlclient16
17:01<judd>Package libmysqlclient16 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.56-1
17:01<shoko_asahara>so, even gpart could not find sda9 (extended).
17:02<babilen>retrospectacus: The packages are libmysqlclient15off, libmysqlclient-dev and libmysqlclient15-dev in lenny
17:02<babilen>retrospectacus: (in addition to the backports)
17:02<Nik05>lol i just found a book on aptitude search that a professor i know wrote :P
17:02<ballison2>babilen: It's for a webserver, the old webserver was built against and i'm trying to keep things consistant
17:02<Nik05>ho sorry this isnt offtopic
17:02<babilen>ballison2: Well, you are on your own then.
17:03<retrospectacus>ballison2: foolish. what babilen said.
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17:03<shoko_asahara>I installed windows on sda1, and uses the space that it used to have previously...
17:03<babilen>ballison2: I would strongly recommend to: 1. Use the Debian package for whatever webserver that is and 2. Upgrade to Squeeze
17:03<shoko_asahara>but sda9 has just disapeared from my partition table...
17:04<shoko_asahara>may it be related to this fact "gpart" reports?
17:04<shoko_asahara>* Warning: partition(Extended DOS, LBA) ends beyond disk end.
17:04<shoko_asahara>Number of inconsistencies found: 1.
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17:05<ballison2>babilen: in the real world you dont have the luxury of upgrading to the newest OS when you want to. especially when code was developed against an older version
17:05<ballison2>i was hoping to find a compat-lib or something
17:06<babilen>ballison2: Fix the code in that case. You still have some time left until security support for Lenny is dropped.
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17:09<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: what's fdisk -l say
17:10<shoko_asahara>can't find it :(
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17:12<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: what's the problem?
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17:12<shoko_asahara>I used to have sda9!
17:12<shoko_asahara>main linux partition, with all my precious stuff
17:12<retrospectacus>sda8 ends at the last cylinder
17:12<shoko_asahara>after installing W7, it disapeared...
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17:13<shoko_asahara>/dev/sda3 12281 38914 213931009 5 Extended
17:13<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: try mounting sda5 6 and 7, see if they are what you're looking for
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17:13<shoko_asahara>how about sda3?
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17:14<retrospectacus>that's an extended, ignore it
17:14<sney>I try not to let windows get near my useful partitions, it always wants to format them
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17:15<retrospectacus>since you can only have 4 primary partition sda3 covers cylinders 12281 to the end of the disk, and has logical partitions inside it
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17:15<shoko_asahara>then, where is sda4?
17:16<retrospectacus>looks like there is empty space from cylinder 12281 to 19576 - sda4 should go there
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17:17<shoko_asahara>parted shows "unallocated 55 Gb"
17:18<shoko_asahara>right after sda3
17:18<retrospectacus>it's not after sda3 - it's at the start of sda3
17:18<retrospectacus>but yea there is a missing chunk there
17:18<shoko_asahara>now, how to "recover it"
17:19<retrospectacus>create a partition there and try to mount it
17:20<shoko_asahara>isn't it dangerous?
17:20<shoko_asahara>create a partition, but not to give it format, I guess...
17:20<shoko_asahara>shall I do that using parted?
17:22<retrospectacus>I'm not familiar with that program - I would use fdisk
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17:23<retrospectacus>fdisk /dev/sda
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17:24<retrospectacus>then press n
17:24<retrospectacus>I forget the rest :P
17:24<retrospectacus>eventually w to save and exit
17:24<shoko_asahara>but it says that my partition table now is "msdos" type.
17:24<sney>that's normal
17:24<shoko_asahara>(and that could be part of the problem).
17:25<retrospectacus>no that's fine
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17:25<shoko_asahara>I just have to "create a new ext3 partiton on that "unallocated space?
17:26<retrospectacus>well yes but do not format it or do mkfs
17:26<retrospectacus>also that assumes the data there is ext3
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17:26<shoko_asahara>but, what sectors?
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17:27<retrospectacus>12281 thru 19575
17:27<shoko_asahara>ok, WISH ME LUCK...
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17:28<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: good luck
17:28<shoko_asahara>done, now it shows sda9
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17:28<retrospectacus>try and mount it
17:28<shoko_asahara>I guess that now I should "w"
17:28<retrospectacus>yeah that first
17:29<shoko_asahara>The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at
17:29<shoko_asahara>the next reboot or after you run partprobe(8) or kpartx(8)
17:29<shoko_asahara>WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.
17:29<retrospectacus>oh... you should be doing this from an OS *NOT* running from that disk
17:30<retrospectacus>(a live CD, usually)
17:30<shoko_asahara>oh what the fuck...
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17:30<shoko_asahara>what now?
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17:30<shoko_asahara>am I totally screwed?
17:30<sney>no, it didn't change anything
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17:31<sney>device or resource busy = it didn't let fdisk write the changes
17:31<retrospectacus>yeah you are at square 1
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17:31<shoko_asahara>ok, I'll try it from a live cd...
17:31<shoko_asahara>see u later... (if I am lucky)
17:32<retrospectacus>actually the new partition table may take effect upon reboot, according to that message
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17:37<ballison2>trying to compile apache module "". I finally have it building but when I try to start apache with the module it bombs with the following error "Cannot load /usr/local/apache2.2.8/modules/ into server: /usr/local/apache2.2.8/modules/ undefined symbol: ap_table_get
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17:39<ballison2>retro: are you still here? i did compile it like you suggested... but now it doesn't load. :(
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17:41<shoko_asahara>wau.. apears listes, but as "unknown"
17:41<shoko_asahara>appears as sda9
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17:42<shoko_asahara>I can not mount it
17:42<shoko_asahara>bad superblock
17:43<retrospectacus>ballison2: I suggested that?
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17:43<ballison2>retro: i think so.. Or someone did.
17:43<shoko_asahara>so when I did that "fdisk" from an OS running on the same disk..
17:44<shoko_asahara>it actually wrote the new partition table.
17:44<shoko_asahara>then, rescue mode could list /dev/sda9
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17:44<shoko_asahara>it says it's type 83
17:44<shoko_asahara>but I can't mount it, help!
17:45<shoko_asahara>what can I do?
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17:45<ballison2>retro: I see a patch file that's for apache2, that i did not apply though. I'm not sure how to apply it because I donn't know what file to apply the patch to. this is for mod_auth_mysql
17:45<babilen>shoko_asahara: Do you have a filesystem on there?
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17:46<babilen>ballison2: try "retro<TAB>"
17:46<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: 83 is ext2 or ext3, are you sure that's what was there?
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17:46<shoko_asahara>sda9... my precious Debian squeeze.
17:46<retrospectacus>ballison2: I don't know anything about any of that... I do know you can just run apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
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17:47<shoko_asahara>I re-created the partition with fdisk...
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17:47<shoko_asahara>using suggested sectors...
17:47<shoko_asahara>it apears listed
17:47<shoko_asahara>but I CAN?T MOUNT IT!
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17:48<kop>shoko_asahara: You must also put a filesystem onto the partition. Perhaps you should read the debian reference guide?
17:48<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: what about sda5 6 and 7?
17:48<retrospectacus>kop: apparently he has a filesystem there already, he is trying to recover it
17:48<shoko_asahara>kop: what do u mean?
17:48<kop>retrospectacus, shoko_asahara: Ok. I suck.
17:48<ballison2>I googled and got nothing. Any ideas on what would cause this error? / undefined symbol: ap_table_get
17:49<ballison2>it's preventing apache2 from starting
17:49<shoko_asahara>the thing is, I used to have an ext3 at sda9...
17:49<hobophobe>To include a patch in bug report, should it just be put as an attachment to the email?
17:49<babilen>kop: No, you are just late to the party
17:49<shoko_asahara>Windows just erased that entrance form the partition table.
17:49<hobophobe>Or in the body?
17:49<shoko_asahara>gparted reported &0Gb unallocated space
17:49<babilen>hobophobe: that'll work fine (attachment)
17:49<shoko_asahara>I allocated with fdisk...
17:49<retrospectacus>ballison2: it's because you're doing wacky things like compiling modules. Use apt-get!
17:49<babilen>hobophobe: thanks for that btw :)
17:50<shoko_asahara>it created the sda9 back... but I am not allowed to mount it
17:50<shoko_asahara>I got the "Bad super-block error"
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17:52<ballison2>retro: can't help it. application requires specific modules like php, of specific versions with specific options at build time. can't use stock apt-get versions. :(
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17:52<retrospectacus>ballison2: it must truly be a terribly written application
17:53<sney>that specific version requirement sounds like a common practice of Windows developers
17:53<sney>or rather, people who port *nix applications to Windows.
17:54<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: I wish I could help. It sounds like either 1) there is actually a VFAT or something non-ext2 there, or 2) it was formatted
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17:54<demooriaan>was the filesystem fsck'ed after recreating?
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17:54<shoko_asahara>it is was a Debian ext3
17:55<shoko_asahara>nos after recreating
17:55<shoko_asahara>but after rebooting
17:55<retrospectacus>ballison2: have you *tried* the application on squeeze/apache2/mod-php4
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17:55<shoko_asahara>but I recreated it from the same disk running
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17:55<shoko_asahara>another debian partition that I have working.
17:55<shoko_asahara>no one had warned me
17:55<shoko_asahara>what shall I do?
17:56<shoko_asahara>delete sda9 again and recrete from "rescue mode"?
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17:56<retrospectacus>ballison2: or whatever... a stock system
17:57<zeropiel>anyone using radeon graphic device?
17:57<babilen>It might actually be easier to fix the buggy application (and more advisable) than spending all this time to compile outdated and unsupported versions of daemons that will run on production systems
17:57<retrospectacus>don't forget insecure
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17:58<ballison2>retro: I wish. my hands are tied on this....
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17:58<sney>zeropiel: approximately half of desktop users. do you have a question?
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17:58<zeropiel>i'm having problems with a new card: 6450
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17:58<zeropiel>well, new for me
17:59<sney>still new enough that fglrx is your only option, afaik
17:59<zeropiel>Error! Could not locate fglrx.ko for module fglrx in the DKMS tree
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17:59<shoko_asahara>I got a question
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17:59<ballison2>retro: thanks for trying. :/
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17:59<shoko_asahara>would I lose any data if I delete the partition ?
18:00<sney>zeropiel: where does that error appear?
18:00<shoko_asahara>would it revert to my previous ·unallocated space· situation
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18:00<zeropiel>when trying to install fglrx-control
18:00<sney>shoko_asahara: yeah, you'd revert to your unallocated space. changing the partition table only modifies the partition *table*, not any contents
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18:00<sney>zeropiel: how did you go about installing the driver?
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18:01<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: correct. You may then be able to find a program to analyze the unallocated space for data /a partition
18:01<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: not familiar with any myself
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18:01<sney>zeropiel: did you follow these instructions:
18:02<sney>!fglrx dkms
18:02<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
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18:03<zeropiel>debian wiki did not specify stopping x before installing fglrx-control, only before removing radeon driver from kernel
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18:03<zeropiel>and yes, that was the instructions i used
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18:06<sney>zeropiel: so you did install fglrx-driver? I ask because an error saying fglrx.ko not found suggests that you didn't.
18:06<zeropiel>started with fglrx-control
18:07<zeropiel>this was the second time i've tried this, so i wanted to pin down where it went wrong
18:07<ballison2>new problem: When I connect to my VPN using "openvpn my.openvpn.conf" it works flawlessly. However when I go in through the Debian gui and select IMPORT my conf file (and it load) and I select the conf via the GUI my entire routes tables get blown away. Anyone seen this before?
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18:09<ballison2>works from the command line but not gui... hmmm. oh well. have to drop connection to try this.
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18:10<jhutchins_lt>zeropiel: Is it gnome's vpn applet?
18:10<sney>zeropiel: it's really difficult for people who are not at your computer with you to know what the problem is, so you have to say exactly what you did
18:11<jhutchins_lt>zeropiel: Sorry, wrong nic.
18:11<jhutchins_lt>ballison: Gnome?
18:11<zeropiel>jhutch: np
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18:11<zeropiel>sney: ok, its reproducable now
18:12<zeropiel>sney: fglrx-driver package seems to work ok
18:12<sney>is fglrx.ko present on your system?
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18:13<zeropiel>sney: fglrx-modules-dkms tries to build a modules but fails because fglrx.ko is not in the DKMS tree.
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18:13<zeropiel>dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms triggers it again
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18:13<sney>I guess that's why dpkg's response says to use fglrx-driver
18:14<zeropiel>fglrx-driver installs fglrx-modules-dkms
18:14<zeropiel>fglrx-modules-dkms tries to build a modules but fails
18:15<sney>can you paste the log somewhere
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18:15<zeropiel>some rules for pasting, right?
18:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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18:16<zeropiel>ok thanks
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18:19<zeropiel>sney: and
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18:28<sney>zeropiel: it's weird, and there's no report of ftbfs like this filed on the bts
18:29<sney>zeropiel: try deleting the fglrx-dkms-modules .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives and install it again, maybe the source was corrupted or incomplete on dl
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18:30<zeropiel>sney: i think it has to do with stack protection being off in arch headers
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18:30<sney>zeropiel: except a fatal build bug like that would not have passed muster to go into stable.
18:31<sney>so just try redownloading it, ok? :)
18:31<wooster>make-kpgh --arch=amd64 on wheezy amd64 will only build i386 for me
18:31<zeropiel>sney: manually delete? not uninstall?
18:31<babilen>zeropiel: arch headers?
18:32<sney>zeropiel: what you're doing is removing the .deb that apt automatically downloaded. then, yes, apt-get remove and apt-get install again.
18:32<zeropiel>no, the deb package
18:32<sney>it will make apt redownload a fresh copy.
18:32<wooster>i'm getting dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu.
18:32<wooster>but i'm running on amd64
18:32<sney>wooster: we have a testing/unstable channel now, in #debian-next, that might be better equipped to help with that issue
18:33<sney>zeropiel: in fact, remove the deb for linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 and reinstall that one as well
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18:36<zeropiel>sney: same problem
18:37<zeropiel>sney: its not able to build the fglrx module
18:37<sney>zeropiel: maybe try building it with module-assistant, just to get you up and running
18:37<sney>then file a bug and see what the dds say
18:37<zeropiel>that would be m-a build fglrx?
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18:40<zeropiel>bah, failed
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18:41<sney>all I can see is the top part of the log there
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18:43<zeropiel>same exact error
18:44<zeropiel>any way i can hack into it some stack protection?
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18:44<zeropiel>thinking of trying to modify the makefile too
18:44<sney>it's not out of the question but I'm the wrong person to ask
18:45<sney>maybe send an email to the fglrx-foo maintainer
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18:47<sney>zeropiel: you're not on 64/32, are you? dpkg --print-architecture
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18:48<zeropiel>but i'm running amd64
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18:48<sney>you're on 64/32, that's why it's not working
18:48<sney>64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland
18:48<zeropiel>i should be running pure 32?
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18:49<sney>zeropiel: yeah, installing an i686 kernel would work
18:49<shoko_asahara>hi all
18:49<shoko_asahara>I could fix it with a free sowtware product, in windows
18:50<shoko_asahara>It is called "edm".
18:50<shoko_asahara>just in case u have this problem someday...
18:50<retrospectacus>shoko_asahara: you got your ext3 working?
18:51<retrospectacus>very nice. I am impressed. Nice work :)
18:51<shoko_asahara>no, it was easy
18:51<shoko_asahara>just had to run that exelent program
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18:52<ale_drupal>hi, i have a question, what is the normal memory usage for viewing a page ? thanks in advance
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18:53<babilen>zeropiel: fwiw
18:53<shoko_asahara>now I can go back to my meditation and doomdays cult leadership duties
18:53<retrospectacus>ale_drupal: a web page? memory usage by the server? client? what browser?
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18:54<retrospectacus>in any case, it depends entirely on the page
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18:55<marijus>anyone experience with jack and multiple soundcards?
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18:55<zeropiel>i'm thinking it would be faster to reinstall with a i386 iso
18:55<jhutchins_lt>So did we ever fiure out what happened to cause the partition to vanish in the first place?
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18:57<babilen>zeropiel: You could also install a pure amd64 system, it is up to you. Using the radeon driver is yet another option. It is up to you, the only thing you can't do is to get fglrx running on a mixed system (as of now, read the bug)
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18:57<zeropiel>sney: not sure i understand all the info
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18:58<ale_drupal>retrospectatus: Usage by the server.
18:58<zeropiel>sney: my cpu architecture is i386, right?
18:58<sney>zeropiel: if you reinstall, amd64 would be the way to go. if you don't want to reinstall, grab a 686 kernel (e.g. aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686)and boot from it
18:58<dvs>zeropiel: Why are you using the fglrx driver instead of the built-in kernel one?
18:58<sney>dvs: card too new.
18:59<dvs>The 2.6.38 can handle some of those.
18:59<zeropiel>right, saw a note on that somewhere
18:59<sney>those radeon developers are fast
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18:59<dvs>especially when the spec are in the open ;-)
19:00<zeropiel>but it is such a pain for me to build a kernel cause i seldom do it
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19:01<sney>zeropiel: actually, you can download the 2.6.38 from testing (via and install it with dpkg -i, as it only has one dependency
19:01<dvs>or backports
19:01<retrospectacus>ale_drupal: it depends entirely on the page. Serving <html></html> will use very little memory. Serving a page that requires tons of data (e.g. a facebook news feed) could take lots of MBs
19:01<sney>dvs: is there a 2.6.38 in backports already? I hadn't heard
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19:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.39-rc6-686-pae (2.6.39~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-31); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
19:01<sney>how about that
19:01<zeropiel>apt-get solves the dependency?
19:02<sney>zeropiel: never mind what I said, there's one in squeeze-backports
19:05<zeropiel>can it really be this easy?
19:05<dvs>zeropiel: you need the firmware-linux-nonfree package too
19:05<dvs>from backports
19:05<sney>one would hope. you may find that the feature support isn't complete for your gpu, but it'll certainly give you 3d at least
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19:07<zeropiel>dvs: how do I know the the package is from backports?
19:08<babilen>zeropiel: and libgl1-mesa-dri (for 3d accel) no idea if your card is supported though
19:08<dvs>zeropiel: dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree
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19:11<dvs>, versions firmware-linux-nonfree
19:11<judd>Package firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; sid/non-free: 0.29; wheezy/non-free: 0.29
19:12<dvs>oh, you have to get the firmware-linux-nonfree package from sid
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19:36<zeropiel>is sid or testing more stable
19:37<quant>zeropiel, testing :)
19:38<zeropiel>quant: thx
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19:38<quant>zeropiel, but the most stable is stable, amazing, isn't it? :)
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19:39<quant>zeropiel, np
19:39<zeropiel>well, i'm trying to get a radeon 6450 to work
19:40<quant>zeropiel, what seems to be the problem and in what debian?
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19:40<zeropiel>i've been getting help with fglrx on the channel for a while
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19:42<zeropiel>i think 2.6.38 had kernel drivers that worked?
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19:47<zeropiel>sney: call me slow, but what drivers could i use with kernel 2.6.38?
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20:02<zeropiel>what driver package works with 2.6.38 and radeon 6xxx
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21:05<mohanad>anybody alive here :D ?
21:06<Osiris_X>mohanad, yup
21:07<mohanad>you're aliveeeee :D
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21:07<mohanad>I thought I was the only one who's not a bot :)
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21:11<scinl>mohanad; You'e been here for 15 minutes... sometimes nobody says anything in this room for 20-30 min or more...
21:11<mohanad>but this is supposed to be a chat room
21:11<mohanad>not a graveyard lol :D
21:12<scinl>...the rule is generally that nobody says anything until you've asked your question. Aw Contrare. This is a very ACTIVE channel.
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21:28<scinl>I just installed ShoreWall. Does anybody use/like it or maybe use something else instead?
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21:54<kop>I prefer ferm. (But of course he's gone.)
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22:03<scinl>I am trying to open port 8333 on my eth0 desktop, and is still showing it closed. I verified that it was TCP, any ideas? I used the command: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --sport 8333 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
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22:10<th>isn't it supposed to be dport instead of sport?
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22:12<th>i'm using shorewall right now, it simplifies a lot firewall-related tasks and traffic shaping too.
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22:22<weedeater64>If I Ctrl + A and Ctrl + c in iceweasel, or select with left click, how can I paste into xterm cat > or nano ?
22:23<scinl>weedeater64: Try clicking down on your mouse wheel.
22:24<scinl>th: I don't know why, but even the same command with dport didn't help --
22:25<weedeater64>Yikes, could have sworn I tried that already, jeez. TY
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22:32<twb>I think I have a rogue DHCP server on my LAN. I only have access to the normal DHCP server. Can I run dhclient on there with some kind of "query only, no act" option, to see if I get a response? I could just run dhclient on the server, but then it would reconfigure the server's LAN iface, which I want to avoid.
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22:43<scinl>Update: I still can't seem to get port 8333 to report that it's open, and have configured my NAT router to accept incoming/outgoing 8333 on internal/external IP.. Using the following command and have tried both --sport and --dport: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --sport 8333 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
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22:45<lastnode>oh sorry
22:45<lastnode>wrong channel
22:45<lastnode>im actually here looking for a recommended debian ami
22:45<lastnode>for ec2
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22:46<tidux>I have a problem with mybashburn and cdw - they're completely obsolete
22:46<tidux>they depend on ATA: optical device syntax
22:46<tidux>they depend on mkisofs and cdrecord, neither of which are still in the repos
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22:48<tidux>mybashburn in particular is a problem, since it seems never to read the user's ~/.mybashburnrc
22:48<tidux>and it tries to write to /etc/mybashburnrc as a non-root user
22:48<tidux>if you tell it to save configuration changes
22:48<tidux>there are two-year-old outstanding bug reports
22:49<tidux>just kill the packages and be done with it
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23:19<anrxc>hi, my organization is moving to squeeze, from lenny, none of our squeeze installs print init messages to the console, only kernel messages are seen
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23:19<anrxc>we are not sure if it's a settings somewhere in /etc controlling it, or a bug
23:20<anrxc>pretty much ran out of options, but to try IRC
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23:20<th>have you tried putting "quiet" in the kernel boot param?
23:20<anrxc>no, I know there's no quiet
23:20<anrxc>going to try that, thanks
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23:28<anrxc>now there's even messages
23:28<anrxc>really weird problem, absolutely no results on google
23:28<Osiris_X>anrxc, th, surely if he wants to see additional messages on the console, quiet option will not help
23:28<anrxc>i was thinking it surpresses the init messages
23:29<anrxc>that that's what the suggestion was about
23:29<Osiris_X>anrxc, so you don't want to see the init messages?
23:29<Osiris_X>ok sorry I was confused
23:29<anrxc>no, I want to see them, but they dissapeared
23:29<anrxc>default squeeze installs, 5 of them
23:29<anrxc>only kernel messages are printed on first boot
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23:29<twb>Re. my question: the MAC->vendor mapping is in the nmap package.
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23:29<Osiris_X>aaahhh ok, so removing quiet from the boot parameters would be what you want
23:30<anrxc>there was no quiet until a few minutes ago :)
23:30<anrxc>btw VERBOSE is set for the init, yet not even that causes a single message to appear
23:30<Osiris_X>anrxc, lol ok, then remove it, it will not make things better
23:30<Osiris_X>when you say init messages -what do you mean? give me an example
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23:31<anrxc>ie. Starting OpenSSH ... DONE, or how ever it looks like usually
23:31<anrxc>more importantly
23:31<Osiris_X>what init system are you using?
23:31<anrxc>we won't see any errors, when it's not DONE :)
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23:31<Osiris_X>SysV, Upstart or systemd?
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23:32<Osiris_X>ok are you using some sort of bootsplah screen
23:32<Osiris_X>like plymouth
23:32<anrxc>grub2 is the boot loader
23:32<anrxc>if that means anything
23:33<Osiris_X>what is the last message you see during boot before it switches to X?
23:33<anrxc>no appended options, but "quiet" from a few minutes ago
23:33<anrxc>usually RAID stuff comes last
23:33<Osiris_X>and then the console goes straight to command prompt?
23:33<anrxc>[ 3.652188] EX3-fs: (md0) error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optionsal features
23:34<anrxc>hostname login: _
23:34<Osiris_X>anrxc, is your /usr directory on md0?
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23:35<anrxc>yes, but it's ext4, so it was mounted
23:35<anrxc>don't know why ext3 is tried at all
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23:35<Osiris_X>anrxc, that doesn't say ext3 - or is that a typo?
23:35<anrxc>typo, I'm looking at the console remotely, so don't have paste
23:36<Osiris_X>no worries - and it is definitely mounted?
23:36<anrxc>yep, and i know for a fact init scripts run (openssh ie. :) there's just no output. this test system has RAID1 / one partition, and md1 is /boot
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23:38<Osiris_X>is the output being redirected to a file? like /var/log/boot.log
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23:38<anrxc>no, and in fact I tried to enable bootlogd as a fail-over (I only hoped it will save init messages), but boot.log was emtpy (another dissapointment it was)
23:39<anrxc>tomorrow was supposed to be the deployment, I think my superior will notice this :) so I'm working late on it
23:39<Osiris_X>anrxc, this is strange because the init scripts just tend to echo to the active terminal
23:40<Osiris_X>there is nothing more fancy than that
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23:40<anrxc>yeah, i know :( I'm dismayed
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23:46<_pg_>has anyone installed piratebox on a laptop? I have struggled for 2 hours and im pretty sure im just a big dumb ididot.
23:47<_pg_>when i click on the symlink it says "broken link" and then it dissappears. any ideas?
23:48<kenyon>what is it?
23:48<_pg_>PirateBox is a self-contained mobile communication and file sharing device. Simply turn it on to transform any space into a free and open communications and file sharing network. More information about it on David Dart's wiki.
23:49<kenyon>is it debian-based?
23:49<_pg_>apparently its not super complicated. hence im a big dumb idiot
23:49<_pg_>well the instructions are for debian
23:50<_pg_>its seriously like 7 commands
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23:52<_pg_>i cant even get the script to launch-the symlink dissappears when i clink on it.
23:53<kenyon>the instructions don't say click anything
23:53<kenyon>looks all command line to me
23:53<_pg_>when i try to launch it in terminal it says it cant be opened. - so i tried clicking on the symplink stead and it just disappears
23:53<_pg_>but is still there in terminal
23:55<_pg_>when it talks about adding to my runlevel being optional-thats just to mkae it start automatically at login right?
23:55<kenyon>what is the output of ls -l /etc/init.d/piratebox
23:55<kenyon>not at login, at boot
23:56<_pg_>patrick@lappy:/etc/init.d$ ls -l /etc/init.d/piratebox
23:56<_pg_>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 12 23:39 /etc/init.d/piratebox -> /opt/piratebox/init.d/piratebox
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23:57<_pg_>my symlink appears ok i think
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23:58<kenyon>_pg_: oh, so what is the output of ls -l /opt/piratebox/init.d/piratebox
23:59<_pg_>kenyon, patrick@lappy:/etc/init.d$ ls -l /etc/init.d/piratebox
23:59<_pg_>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 May 12 23:39 /etc/init.d/piratebox -> /opt/piratebox/init.d/piratebox
23:59<kenyon>wrong one
23:59<_pg_>ls: cannot access /opt/piratebox/init.d/piratebox: No such file or directory
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