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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-05-13

---Logopened Fri May 13 00:00:07 2011
00:00<kenyon>there's the problem
00:00-!-grrrrrr [~libertad@r190-135-221-224.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
00:00<_pg_>the path is file:///opt/piratebox/piratebox/init.d/piratebox/piratebox
00:00<_pg_>omg so confusing
00:01<_pg_>i dont understand how the symlink worked if the file path is wring
00:01<_pg_>wrong*
00:01<kenyon>there shouldn't be a /opt/piratebox/piratebox/init.d/piratebox/ directory according to the instructions
00:01<scinl>I still can't seem to get port 8333 to report that it's open, and have configured my NAT router (WRT120) to accept incoming/outgoing 8333 on internal/external IP.. Using the following command and have tried both --sport and --dport: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --sport 8333 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
00:01<kenyon>_pg_: ln will make the symlink regardless of whether the destination exists
00:01<_pg_>kenyon, it is just one too many piratebox directories?
00:02<kenyon>_pg_: what is in /opt/piratebox/piratebox/init.d/piratebox/? ls -l /opt/piratebox/piratebox/init.d/piratebox/
00:02<kenyon>scinl: what do mean "report that it's open"?
00:03<kenyon>scinl: is your router running linux?
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00:03<_pg_>not a directory- that last instrance of piratebox is the script that starts it/ the one thats supposed to be symlinked
00:03<kenyon>_pg_: maybe you just made a typo when making that symlink
00:04<_pg_>i copied and pasted it
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00:04<_pg_>can i just get rid of one level of piratebox foldfers?
00:05<_pg_>like opt>pb>pb>init.d ----> opt?pb/init.d
00:05<kenyon>_pg_: why would you mess with the distribution as it was given? presumably the tarball you downloaded is correct
00:05<_pg_>cause its not working
00:05<kenyon>_pg_: pastebin the output of ls -lR /opt/piratebox
00:06<_pg_>https://paste.debian.net/116812/
00:08<kenyon>_pg_: yeah, looks like you unpacked the tarball wrong. you should get rid of that initial piratebox directory
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00:10<_pg_>kenyon, thank you very much
00:10<_pg_>i appreciate it immensely
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00:12<_pg_>now i can get on to some sensical errors! :D
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00:16<iXuta>I download and write debian-508-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso with unetbootin. Can I install it this way? Debian installer claims that cd drive was not detected...
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00:17<sney>yes, it can be written directly to a usb drive
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00:18<scinl>iXuta: Maybe in BIOS, have it set to boot from USB-HDD rather than USB-CDROM or USB-Floppy?
00:21<iXuta>it boot from usb flash. problem occur during installation, debian installer try to detect cd and cancel installation then.
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00:23<iXuta>i guess that "normal" cd images do not fit for usb installation
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00:24<th>AFAIK the image is a hybrid, can be written to CD or USB drive
00:24<iXuta>debian-508-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso ?
00:25<ayaka>jm_thank you
00:25<sney>oh 508
00:25<th>no, not that one but the main one (with GNOME as default desktop)
00:25<sney>no, iXuta only the 6.0x images can be written to usb drives
00:25<th>ah, lenny
00:25<iXuta>:(
00:26<Hydroxide>there are USB images for lenny, but not the same files as the iso versions
00:26<sney>yeah and they might not have stayed compatible with the boot.img
00:26<th>is there any particular reason for choosing lenny instead of the current stable (squeeze)?
00:26<Hydroxide>but, unless you have a specific reason, you don't want to install lenny now since it will lose security support some time next year
00:26<Hydroxide>probably around february
00:27<iXuta>i don't wanna care about updates
00:28<Hydroxide>iXuta: if you don't want to be endangered in terms of security, you'll have to care about updates for any version of any operating system connected to the Internet, whether Debian or not. if you mean you want debian to prepare the updates for you and make it easy to stay secure without a major version upgrade, that will be true longer for squeeze than for lenny.
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00:28<chl501>In addition to rkhunter and chrootkit, are there any other ways to detect if my machines are compromised or infected?
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00:30<Hydroxide>chl501: there's no comprehensive way that will catch all problems and never give a false alarm, even those two tools. this is also true on every OS, Debian or not. you can run things like clamav if you want an antivirus, but the best thing is to keep an eye on what your machine is doing and logging and see if anything's suspicious and unexplainable
00:31<Hydroxide>chl501: tools like those are useful but not as your entire security strategy. also do things like choosing good passwords, locking your screen when stepping away in a public place, not directly logging in as root, etc.
00:32<chl501>Hydroxide: what alarming should I look at when checking e.g. syslog?
00:32<sney>if you inherit a system and you suspect it may have been compromised in the past, back up the data and reinstall. it's the only way to be safe.
00:32<Hydroxide>chl501: it depends on what's normal for your system. /var/log/syslog and /var/log/auth.log are some relevant log files. But, yeah, listen to what sney said. Certainly a compromised system can also have compromised logging, and often does if the malware author is smart.
00:35<chl501>Ok. Thanks. : )
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00:36<iXuta>>no, not that one but the main one (with GNOME as default desktop)
00:36<iXuta>>no, iXuta only the 6.0x images can be written to usb drives
00:36<iXuta>Can install using debian-6.0.1a-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso ?
00:36<iXuta>I don't like GNOME
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00:37<sney>sigh
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00:37<sney>iXuta_: yes, you can use that one.
00:37<iXuta_>îê, thanks.
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02:07<chealer>what could cause a system crash with this log? http://ido.ath.cx:8080/crash.log
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02:08<chealer>this happened on my laptop shortly after I left it idle. ata5 must be my root partition (which is /dev/sda5)
02:09<chealer>the hard drive passes a SMART extended self-test
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02:13<jm_>are you sure ata5 is your disk? it usually mentions sr together with it
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02:16<safinaskar>is public hosts in http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi really public? can i login to they? i am not developer, i am just a user
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02:19<chealer>jm_: no, but I can't think of what it would be. there was no disk in the ODD and I wasn't using the system. I came back to a completely knocked out system (wouldn't switch to a tty). all applications seem to have crashed
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02:19<chealer>I can't see why NetworkManager or kopete would block on the ODD
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02:20<jm_>chealer: check dmesg output and it will show which device it is
02:20<chealer>I note a "sr0: CDROM (ioctl) error, command: Get event status notification 4a 01 00 00 10 00 00 00 08 00"
02:20<kop>chealer: There's always bad ram/cosmic rays. You could run memtest86+....
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02:21<chealer>jm_: thank you. "ata5.00: ATAPI: HL-DT-STDVDRAM GT30N, 1.01, max UDMA/100"
02:21<jm_>yup, so something might be polling your CD/DVD drive
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02:23<jm_>chealer: I had a similar issue with my old system in Linux ever since I bought a SATA DVD-ROM unit - reading from it would usually lock up the system after a while, but I never bothered investigating it since I rarely needed it (haven't tested this on my new system yet)
02:24<jm_>in reality it would mean I needed to contact LKML/submit a kernel bug
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02:24<chealer>kop: yeah, I guess I'll blame it on that. the system ran plenty of memtest86 lately, replaced a faulty stick just 2 weeks ago
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02:26<chealer>jm_: yeah. I was running 2.6.39-rc5, so I guess I'll see how rc7 does. still odd that an idle PC would crash because of an empty ODD...
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02:26<kop>chealer: Blame the heat death of the universe.
02:27<chealer>thank you jm_
02:28<jm_>chealer: no worries
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03:56<Guest740>Hello, after updating system (sid), i cannot boot system because of kernel panic. Before restarting (after update) i couldn't run any command. I think it's a bug #626450, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450. This bug is fixed in the newer version of the packet, howerer i can't install it because my system is unbootable.
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03:56<flower>_ /dev/sda8 15421 18970 28510208 83 Linux
03:56<flower>how large is this partition?
03:56<flower>always find it hard to see with fdisk
03:57<Guest740>So my question is: do I have to reinstall a new system?
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03:57<patrykr>hey
03:58<bluewater>Guest740: read what it says to do to manually fix it,
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04:00<XayOn>Guest740: Also, if you're using sid, you should know what you're doing.
04:01<patrykr>I need to open ports and redirect it to computer in lan. I can't do this! I type: iptables -I INPUT -i eth -p tcp --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT and the port is still close. Is something else except iptables can blocking that port?
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04:02<XayOn>Guest740: I guess booting a livecd, chrooting into your system and running /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln -s /lib /lib64 will do it, as stated in the bug's page.
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04:04<jm_>patrykr: that's not enough to forward a port
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04:06<jm_>flower: about 27G?
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04:06<norto>hello, vous n'avez pas trop galéré à venir aujourd'hui ? ^^
04:06<flower>jm_: how do you calculate that?
04:07<jm_>flower: 28510208/1024/1024 :)
04:07<norto>damn sorry wrong channel
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04:07<patrykr>Jm_: I know. But the port should be open after that command
04:07<jm_>patrykr: define open
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04:07<flower>jm_: hmm ok
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04:10<Guest740>Guys, thanks for the answers. I hope I will do this without a livecd 'cause my connection is slow:)
04:10<fosser_josh>i hav debian 6 in my pc and i added new realtek 8139c lan card but its not detecting
04:10<jm_>patrykr: your usage also looks odd, -i eth - note that this should be exact name or something like eth+
04:10<jm_>Guest235: read mail from Josh Tripplet to find out how to do it this way
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04:10<patrykr>jm_: yes, I type eth0.. But I nedd to have listening process on that port?
04:11<jm_>uhm Triplett
04:11<jm_>patrykr: no, not if you want to forward it to another system (but there are tools that can do this for you this way too, i.e. rinetd, xinetd ...)
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04:13<fosser_josh>jm_: i want realtek 8139c lan card driver for debian 6. do u hav any idea where can i get it. i am searching on google too
04:14<jm_>fosser_josh: what is its PCI ID?
04:15<fosser_josh>jm_: its not showing in PCI. i looked into lspci and hwinfo but its not showing any information about that card
04:16<patrykr>jm_: ok, one more time. I have debian server with 2 public IP's binding to it. Let it bee 123.123.123.10 and 123.123.123.11. In lan I have computer with video monitoring, that computer provides service on 9000,9001,9002 ports (to viewing video images online). I would like to something like this. When Ip is 123.123.123.11 server redirect ports to that lan computer.
04:16<jm_>fosser_josh: run lspci -nn|grep -i ether
04:16<jm_>patrykr: you can find examples for this in the iptables tutorial
04:16<jm_>!iptables tutorial
04:16<dpkg>hmm... iptables tutorial is http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/
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04:18<sander_m>Hi. When I `aptitude search` something, I have a bunch op packages that have "id" as it's state. From what I gather, this means they are installed but will be deleted. But, how do I actually delete these? Aptitude upgrade does not delete these.
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04:19<fosser_josh>jm_: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02)
04:19<flower>ok one of my partitions is unbootble, I want to back up it with dd to another drive. What is recommended, make an image of that partition (which contains / and docs)?
04:20<jm_>judd pciid 10ec:8136
04:20<judd>[10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136
04:20<jm_>fosser_josh: ^^^^^^
04:23<fosser_josh>jm_: it seems card is not working
04:24<fosser_josh>jm_: is there any command to detect all PCI cards
04:24<jm_>fosser_josh: why do you think it's not working?
04:25<fosser_josh>jm_: coz there is nowhere information about that card
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04:25<jm_>fosser_josh: so you have two cards in the system?
04:25<fosser_josh>jm_: lspci , lsmod, hwinfo dont hav information about that card
04:26<fosser_josh>jm_: yah
04:26<jm_>fosser_josh: and you're sure it's a PCI card?
04:26<Guest740>XayOn: I created a link 'lib64'on / pointing to /lib. Is it ok and enough?
04:26<fosser_josh>jm_: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) this is information about inbuilt lan card
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04:27<jm_>fosser_josh: that one is probably on motherboard
04:27<fosser_josh>jm_: yah
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04:27<fosser_josh>jm_: and 8139c is newly attached
04:27<alan_>hi
04:27<alan_>any body home
04:28<alan_>有人嗎
04:28<jm_>fosser_josh: perhaps try it in another system
04:28<jm_>!cn
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04:29<fosser_josh>jm_: k, is there any command to check all PCI cards attached on motherboard
04:29<jm_>fosser_josh: not really
04:29<jm_>fosser_josh: but if lspci doesn't list it there must be something wrong
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04:30<fosser_josh>jm_: i hav HCL machine having intel 945 motherboard
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04:33<Osiris_X>I need to build a module and it requires "a fully configured kernel source tree" - do I just untar my downloaded linux-source-x.x.xx package, copy my .config file from running kernel into it and then type "fakeroot make mrproper" and "fakeroot make oldconfig" ?
04:35<jm_>where is your .config file then?
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04:36<Osiris_X>jm_, I propose to use /boot/config-2.6.38 from my running kernel
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04:37<jm_>Osiris_X: are you using 2.6.38 packages from debian?
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04:37<patrykr>iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.0.11 --dport 4657 -j ACCEPT
04:37<patrykr>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 4657 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.11
04:37<patrykr>sry
04:37<Osiris_X>jm_, source package yes, but it is custom kernel
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04:38<jm_>Osiris_X: doesn't your /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build symlink point to where the source tree for it is?
04:38<XayOn>Guest740: should be, try it.
04:39<Osiris_X>jm_, it currently points to my installed headers
04:39<Guest740>ok, will report after reboot:)
04:39<jm_>Osiris_X: that should be enough
04:39<Osiris_X>jm_, I built image and headers package for my custom kernel
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04:40<Osiris_X>jm_, ok but the instructions for this module say header package for 2.4 kernel and fully configured source for 2.6 kernel
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04:40<patrykr>jm_: I decided to do this at master IP of server. Is it enough to redirect port? iptables -I ACCEPT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport -j ACCEPT
04:40<patrykr>iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.0.11 --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT
04:40<patrykr>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 9000 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.11
04:41<jm_>Osiris_X: well not sure what it expects/needs, but kernel headers should be enough
04:41<Osiris_X>jm_, and at the moment it fails to compile with some errors about incorrect argument types for 'device-create'
04:41<Osiris_X>'device_create-
04:41<jm_>Osiris_X: are you sure this version is OK for 2.6.38?
04:41<Osiris_X>'device_create'
04:42<Osiris_X>jm_, my googling indicates that it should be
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04:42<Osiris_X>jm_ so you think it is unlikely to be a kernel config issue
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04:42<jm_>patrykr: you probably meant iptables -I INPUT and not iptables -I ACCEPT, but otherwise looks fine to me on a quick glance
04:43<jm_>Osiris_X: well that should be easy to check, how is it calling device_create?
04:43<Osiris_X>jm_, one moment I will check
04:43<patrykr>jm_: it my bed. I'll check it on server
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04:45<Osiris_X>jm_, defined like: #define CLASS_DEVICE_CREATE(class, dev, device, fmt, rest) device_create(class, dev, device, fmt, rest)
04:45<jm_>Osiris_X: that's just a macro definition
04:45<Osiris_X>jm_, and then called like: CLASS_DEVICE_CREATE(st7554_class, MKDEV(243, i), NULL, "slusb%d", i);
04:46<jm_>Osiris_X: hmm and what does MKDEV do?
04:47<jm_>Osiris_X: you can find a prototype for it in include/linux/device.h
04:48<Osiris_X>jm_, ok I was just grepping for it
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04:48<Osiris_X>but there is an include for device.h in the source code for the module
04:49<jm_>Osiris_X: yes, but it seems the parameters don't match, the compiler error should indicate which one(s)
04:49<jm_>Osiris_X: or it doesn't include the right file (just another option)
04:50<Osiris_X>jm_, yes it dows - ok so this means the soure code needs to be changed
04:50<Osiris_X>jm_, which is strange since someone claimed it compiled under 2.6.38
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04:51<administrator>XayOn: It's me after rebooting, everything works ok, thanks for your help:)
04:53<XayOn>=)
04:53<XayOn>Nice administrator.
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05:00<jm_>Osiris_X: quick glance suggests this hasn't changed a lot
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05:02<jm_>Osiris_X: so it may be config issue then
05:03<patrykr>jm_: the port is still close :/
05:04<jm_>patrykr: first check if it reaches the machine where you ran iptables commands
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05:15<marijus>is there a way to execute cpufreq-set from within .xsession?
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05:17<jm_>marijus: well cpufreq-set needs to be run as root, but in general sure - it's a shell script
05:18<marijus>jm_: but how to run it as root?
05:18<mekt>There are many versions of VNC. Which to use? Why? : vnc4server , tightvncserver , gvncviewer , x11vnc , ssvnc
05:19<jm_>marijus: you could use sudo without a password, but why do this from .xsession?
05:19<marijus>jm_: thats what i did sudo wo password but didnt work :(
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05:20<jm_>marijus: no errors?
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05:20<marijus>jm_: im setting up a session for audio processing and id like tu set the governor to performance for that
05:21<jm_>marijus: does sudo work if you run it afterwards?
05:21<marijus>jm_: no errors... at least not in xsession-errors
05:21<marijus>jm_: yes
05:23<jm_>marijus: so no errors but it also doesn't change the governor?
05:23<marijus>jm_: is ~/.xsession executed as user?
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05:24<marijus>jm_: exactly
05:24<jm_>marijus: yes
05:25<marijus>jm_: so i guess if i use sudo w/o password it just ignores the command...
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05:28<marijus>jm_: if i google xsession and sudo also there is not much useful coming up... maybe its not possible at all...
05:28<jm_>marijus: I would expect it to log an error or whatever - try putting 'set -x' at the top of your .xsession file
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05:28<jm_>marijus: also try 'startx &> foo' if you're using startx to start it
05:30<marijus>jm_: im starting it from gdm
05:30<patrykr>jm_: the ports are still close. Nmap to monitoring comp. Shows open ports, on server to localhost - closed. I can open and close other ports, for example for ssh. It loks like I have no forwarding
05:31<marijus>jm_: well ill check it out starting with startx... brb
05:31<jm_>patrykr: use tcpdump to track if the packet comes in and then verify if it goes out on the right interface
05:31<jm_>patrykr: better test it with telnet/nc and not nmap
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05:36<patrykr>jm_: maybe redirecting one of IP's to that monitoring will be better?
05:37<jm_>patrykr: well IP doesn't matter as long as your rules match
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05:39<marijus>jm_: now it says: "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified"
05:40<marijus>jm_: maybe id have to use gksu?
05:41<patrykr>Can someone tell me step by step how to forward ports to computer in lan?
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05:43<skoef>i'm having trouble combining preseeding a package i've created and using dkpg --force-confnew
05:44<skoef>i'm trying to overwrite Configuration file `/etc/network/interfaces'
05:44<skoef>and i have to confirm (by choosing "Y") but i can't from debian-installer
05:44<skoef>anyone '
05:44<skoef>s got a hint?
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06:08<jm_>marijus: aha this is something I expected, so it asks for a password, but why?
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06:14<sagac>Hi everybody, I installed yesterday all properly configured and up to date and I have no working keyboard neither touchpad after X boots up.Xf86-udev,keyboard and synaptic installed.I must also say that all my hardware is perfectly linux compatible and is working on a live cd from where I am writing. Thanks you in advance for your help.
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06:14<sagac> 10-evdev http://pastebin.com/fBtqS9BV
06:14<sagac> 10-synaptics http://pastebin.com/aepnwVJP
06:14<sagac>It already happened to me in the past , everything was working great and then after an update everytime I boot up and lauch X I have no keyboard/touchpad .
06:15<sagac>I looked on the internet and it seems it's a problem with udev , sometimes it blocks the boot (it happened to me) or it does not recognize the hardware correctly.
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06:16<sagac>Could anyone help me pretty please.
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06:19<no_face>what is the question
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06:19<no_face>ohh
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06:20<sagac>Did someone experience the same nasty problem than I do with udev , is there any workaround ro be able to use my computer now other than chrooting from a live cd.
06:21<no_face>too advanced for me
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06:24<sagac>no_face, Thank you for reading , I am really starting to feel like linux is not viable for desktop use but I don't want to buy or use Apple computers as they have insane employement pratice with foxconn in china , triggering employes suicides and so , not respecting even the chinese norms ..
06:25<cthuluh>sagac: do you run sid?
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06:27<[machine]>hmm, other than building it myself (which i'll do if necessary), is there anywhere i might still be able to get the .32 based testing kernel? .38 is giving me problems with vmware, power management and sound
06:27<sagac>I must be way unlucky but I think i touched all the bugs on linux (ati graphics going mad with flash,overheating,pulseaudio problems,udev not booting,udev no keyboard,programms not installable in newer or older releases).One of those days I will try freebsd but you have to install it on a primary partition , and I have only free extended partition.
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06:27<sagac>cthuluh, yes
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06:27<cthuluh>sagac: then how do you dare saying "linux is not viable for the desktop"?
06:28<cthuluh>when sid isn't supposed to be viable at all
06:28<jm_>[machine]: you can install it from squeeze
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06:28<cthuluh>sagac: install squeeze, be happy
06:28<jm_>[machine]: as long as newer version of udev etc. don't require a newer kernel
06:28*[machine] nods
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06:29<[machine]>i'm quite happy to hack about with it, if required, so that will probably be the best route
06:29<sagac>cthuluh, Debain stable have way antiquated programs , its donc normal for a desktop user and as for the bugs I previously mentioned it happened with all sorts of "stable" distribution:archlinux,ubuntu,ffedora,sabayon,debian testing
06:29<cthuluh>sagac: btw, your problems have been met by a huge number of users, and the solutions are all described in the relevant bugreports. which you are supposed to read, as a sid user
06:30<sagac>cthuluh, I have read the bugs reports and I have not found a solution for the udev bug , if you have one I would really like to read the manual, but I don't find a solution.
06:31<cthuluh>then don't run sid. easy
06:31<sagac>Do you have an url or something like that because I searched the gentoo,arch,debian forums and I did not find a solution really , I am looking for one.
06:32<sagac>cthuluh, Please don't troll I love Linux really , but newer apps doesn't have to equal total unstability: not being able to boot, or not having keyboard input working is too much.
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06:34<sagac>cthuluh, If you know of a distro that has fairly large repos , gnome3 or Kde4.6 , and recent apps and that's working ok , I really would want to ear a solution
06:34<jm_>no-one is adding bugs on purpose, well most people anyway - but once again, don't use new stuff if you don't want to deal with issues like these
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06:35<sagac>jm_, I know but the problems is that apps on debian stable are way too old to be able to be used useful for desktop use.
06:35<Parsifal>sagac: Have you considered running testing?
06:36<sagac>jm_, I don't want to criticize but I am just looking for a normalish distro with fairly large and uptodate repos and no big show stopping bugs.
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06:36<jm_>sagac: I find them perfectly usable; but perhaps you can contribute to fixing these bugs if you are experiencing them
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06:37<sagac>Parsifal, thanks for the suggestion, I runned testing in the past and also experienced the udev bugs I am talking about .
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06:39<flower>hmm tried to recover a partition with dd, but still can't access it apparently http://fpaste.org/Mtcw/
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06:39<sagac>jm_, I am a normal desktop user and there is well documented bugs reports that were openedon those bugs , no solution is proposed other than downgrading some packages but as I do not know in which packages the problem exists and in which it does not I cannot work around it.
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06:40<flower># cd home
06:40<flower>bash: cd: home: Input/output error
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06:40<chl501>I encountered error saying
06:41<jm_>sagac: it doesn't matter what kind of user you are - you should try and find a solution too if you are complaining about bugs, we're all in the same boat
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06:41<flower>grrr home is most important
06:41<chl501>The following packages have unmet dependencies: libcurl4-gnutls-dev : Conflicts: libcurl-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev : Conflicts: libcurl-dev
06:41<chl501>how can I solve this problem?
06:41<chl501>removing libcurl won't work because it is virtual package.
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06:41<cthuluh>what about libcurl-dev?
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06:42<sagac>I tried I have read all the bugs reports about it and posted bugs.Please some being rude apart from reporting and documenting the bugs I cannot do nothing I am no programmer .
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06:43<chl501>Virtual packages like 'libcurl-dev' can't be removed
06:43<flower>any chance that ddrescue will rescue more then dd?
06:44<flower>It tries to read and if it fails, it will go on with the next sectors where tools like dd will fail.
06:44<flower>hmm
06:46<sagac>testdisk and photorec as last chance flower : )
06:48<flower>sagac: testdisk and photorec?
06:48<Habbie>is Florian Weimer on irc? :)
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06:49<sagac>testdisk and photorec and recovery tools on cli to recover lost files from a damaged partition , there is others but if everything fail ; )
06:50<flower>sagac: hmm ddrescue first I think ...
06:50<SynrG>are we still talking about the libc6 issue?
06:51<SynrG>first of all, see channel topic, #debian-next for sid users
06:51<SynrG>second, the channel topic of *that* channel has the solution
06:51<jm_>no
06:51<SynrG>and in any case, go there for sid support. this is for stable here.
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06:52<SynrG>i take exception to stable has "antiquated" programs. you know stable just released in february? :)
06:52<sagac>Kde 4.6.3 and gnome3?
06:53<SynrG>gnome2 is *antiquated*? i'm just picking at your choice of words
06:53<Lethalman>huh #debian-next is recente?
06:53<Lethalman>*recent
06:53<SynrG>yes.
06:53<Lethalman>I might want to go there then :P see you
06:53<sagac>SynrG, Thanks for your kind suggestion,, sorry if I mistook of channel and appeared ranting , I love open source software and only use it even for drivers thats why those bugs hurts.
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06:54<shoko_asahara>hi there, free world...
06:54<SynrG>sagac: i feel your pain. however, questioning whether linux is suitable for you based on hitting bugs in sid is ... well ... kind of due to unrealistic expectations
06:54<SynrG>you can have stable and proven
06:54<SynrG>or you can have new and possibly buggy
06:54<SynrG>take your pick
06:55<sagac>Generally I do my homework and when some users expect normal desktop users non programmer to fix those bugs it just annoys me
06:55<shoko_asahara>I have a strange problem, auido is not working through my headphones, jack output...
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06:55<lidy>hi
06:55<shoko_asahara>It works fine in speakers, (and jack output works in Windows).
06:55<sagac>SynrG, I just want to have new apps and oldish udev,kernel,"system" only the vlc,chromium,banshee and co .
06:55<shoko_asahara>Headphones is not mutted in the mixer.
06:55<jm_>and it annoys me that people assume one needs to be a programmer to fix bugs
06:56<shoko_asahara>but it just don't work... any ideas?
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06:56<shoko_asahara>jm_ Debugging is one of the most dificult tasks in the development process...
06:56<sagac>SynrG, I hit those bugs in every kind of distro:ubuntu,fedora,opensuse,archlinux,sabayon,debian sid and testing
06:56<lidy>do you like tuenti???
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06:57<shoko_asahara>one can easily spend one week hunting for the bug in the code, running in debugin mode, gdb and so.
06:57<shoko_asahara>one has to understand the PL very well, if hunting for unexpected side-effects.
06:57<jm_>shoko_asahara: you don't need to explain this to me, my work consists of lab support
06:58<shoko_asahara>even sometimes one has to understand how does the OS work...
06:58<shoko_asahara>jm_: so what do you exactly mean?
06:59<jm_>shoko_asahara: that people who are not programmers can still contribute a lot to fixing bugs, find ways how to reproduce them, workardounds - there are many things to do ...
07:00<shoko_asahara>oh, absolutely.
07:00<shoko_asahara>actually that's a very important thing, to be able to reproduce them.
07:01<jm_>indeed
07:01<shoko_asahara>I'd say that if u are able to reproduce them, you got it.
07:02<sagac>The problem is that home users should not have to work for the computer it should be the other way around.Some people left from windows because of this reason , a computer is for most an appliance , people have others work than working on the computer.
07:03<shoko_asahara>yes, that's right.
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07:03<shoko_asahara>and it's their right.
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07:03<shoko_asahara>but hey,
07:03<lidy>q tal?
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07:03<shoko_asahara>people need to understand how cars work, if they want to drive one.
07:04<shoko_asahara>at least they make u study that before u get your driving lisence.
07:04<lidy>feaa
07:04<@Ganneff>!ot
07:04<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
07:04<shoko_asahara>so, in the end people have tu understand at least a bit, how a computer works.
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07:05<shoko_asahara>ok, back to topics....
07:05<shoko_asahara>my audio jack output is not working...
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07:05<sagac>alsa or pulseaudio
07:05<shoko_asahara>audio works on speakers (laptop).
07:05<shoko_asahara>and jack output works fine in windows.
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07:06<shoko_asahara>alsamixer has high volume set on that chanel, it's not mutted.
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07:19<Take>Hello
07:19<Take>I'm building an custom cd image and I can't figure out proper preseed rules. The target system already has partitions (/, /home, swap) and I'd need to use them instead of creating new ones
07:20<Take>But, I can't figure out the proper syntax to do that, I've found an mention that d-i partman-auto has an option 'condpart', but haven't found how to properly use that
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07:40<classical>hello :)) How can i make .pdf file some specific color when i type ls ?
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07:41<jm_>classical: LS_COLORS env var
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07:42<twb>Is this /run crap a known issue with wheezy udev at present?
07:43<twb>http://paste.debian.net/116852/
07:43<twb>Urgh, that pastebin didn't work.
07:43<classical>jm_, this parameter works in .bashrc ? :)
07:43<twb>http://paste.debian.net/116854/
07:44<jm_>classical: yes, as long as .bashrc is read; I do it this way instead: eval $(dircolors ~/.dircolors)
07:45<jm_>classical: you can get initial .dircolors with dircolors -p > ~/.dircolors
07:46<babilen>twb: Yes, you are in the middle of the udev, /run, initscripts transition. Note that there is a dedicated channel (#debian-next) for wheezy/sid users
07:48<nevyn>twb: see the topic of #debian-next
07:50<twb>babilen: ah, I didn't know about -next
07:51<babilen>twb: That is why I am mentioning it. You might want to read this channel's and #debian-next's /topic
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08:24<lynx__>how can i search for a string in a folder of documents and get which ones contain the string inside on debian?
08:24<lynx__>they're all in text format
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08:25<Torsten_W>lynx__, with grep?
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08:25<lynx__>Torsten_W: could you be more specific? i'm not a real specialist at commands lol
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08:25<lynx__>i've tried the --help but i've got confused aswell
08:25<Torsten_W>lynx__, you could read the manpage
08:26<Torsten_W>lynx__, btw, grep "your string" /path/to/foldder/*
08:26<lynx__>thank you
08:26<Torsten_W>lynx__, and btw, this has nothing to do with debian
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08:27<lynx__>ikr
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08:32<Osiris_X>how do I find which package a file belongs to?
08:32<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Osiris_X -about search
08:32<babilen>dpkg: tell Osiris_X -about apt-file
08:33<Osiris_X>cheers
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08:34<classical>jm_, i have the same .bashrc and /etc/profile files on both systems, but when i type ls one displays .tar .rar .tar.gz files in red color while another does not
08:34<classical>i cant figure out why the configuration is identically
08:34<Osiris_X>is there away to find out when a package was installed?
08:35<jm_>classical: compare the output of dircolors
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08:35<jm_>Osiris_X: dpkg log
08:36<classical>jm_, with this command ? dircolors --print-database
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08:37<jm_>classical: you can use that or without arguments
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08:38<yangzhiwei>xboard
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08:42<Osiris_X>can someone tell me the size of their /lib/lsb/init-functions file (debian / wheezy / lsb-base 3.2-27)
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08:42<classical>jm_, i see there this parameter .mp3=00;36, but when i do ls mp3 files does not have colors :(
08:42<diederik>I'm trying to run HelloWorld.java from the commandline, but it fails as soon as I put the HelloWorld class in a package
08:43<diederik>command used: "java chapter1.HelloWorld" (chapter1 is package name)
08:43<classical>Osiris_X, 4.0K i'm running lenny
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08:44<jm_>classical: ok this must be the wrong way to check things, just do echo $LS_COLORS
08:44<dvs>diederik: You use the "-jar" command line parameter to specify a jar
08:44<diederik>Osiris_X: on sid 10027 bytes
08:44<diederik>dvs: but it's not in a jar file, just a .class file
08:44<Osiris_X>classical, it sounds like you are measuring to the nearest inode block size
08:45<Osiris_X>classical, try ls -al on it - yours is probably about 2Kb
08:45<Osiris_X>diederik, are you using systemd?
08:45<diederik>Osiris_X: how can I check that?
08:45<flower> mount backup.img /mnt/lucid/
08:45<flower>mount: /mnt/usbstick/backup.img is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)
08:45<flower>hmm
08:45<classical>jm_, no output. where is this information written ? so i was able to copy my dircolor i just want to have same colors on different machines :)
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08:46<Osiris_X>diederik, it is package that you would have installed as an alternative to SysV
08:46<Osiris_X>diederik, try sudo apt-cache policy systemd
08:46<classical>Osiris_X, i did it with du ls -al does not shows the size of file
08:46<diederik>Osiris_X: not using systemd
08:47<Osiris_X>classical, between the group and the month ls -al should show a number (the file size in bytes)
08:47<diederik>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10027 Jan 17 21:30 /lib/lsb/init-functions
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08:48<Osiris_X>diederik, thanks that is the same file I have but it has been diverted to init-functions.systemd and I can't reverse it
08:48<Osiris_X>but glad to know that is the correct lsb-base file
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08:49<babilen>Osiris_X: You might want to ask for md5sum/sha256sum the next time :)
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08:49<jm_>classical: just copy the output of dircolors --print-database on the other system and use that eval command I mentioned earlier
08:50<Osiris_X>babilen, you are absolutely right LOL
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08:50<Osiris_X>diederik, what do you get if you cksum init-functions?
08:51<Osiris_X>or indeed md5sum init-functions
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08:52<diederik>sha1sum = 2899131482233980bf04f52ac45efb5f9bf7bb72
08:52<diederik>md5sum = 65e44ba69f5e1e193d8053db02fd73ab
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08:52<Osiris_X>bingo! it's the same file
08:52<Osiris_X>thanks diederik
08:52<diederik>I'm running amd64 (if that matters)
08:52<diederik>yw
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08:55<patrick|>Ganneff, eben
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08:59<diederik>is there a java channel where I could ask my question? #java on freenode seems to be invite only
09:00<babilen>diederik: You need to be registered -- /msg nickserv help register
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09:01<diederik>babilen: thanks
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09:10<webed>hello all
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09:10<webed>can anybody help me with some info on how to install debian on software raid?
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09:11<webed>i used the wizard
09:11<webed>but the sistem won't boot
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09:17<matias>Hello
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09:17<matias>I asked in #debian-live but none seems to be there. I'm trying to use live helper using this guide (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25752) but it seems the repository is not available anymore, is it somewhere else?
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09:24<Osiris_X>I have an old IBM Thinkpad T41 - and I am getting shitty flash performance and high cpu usage (regardless of browser - chrome, iceweasel, epiphany)
09:25<Osiris_X>any ideas on how to optimise this (because it works fine in windows on the same machine)
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09:36<webed>can anybody help me with some info on how to install debian on software raid?
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09:36<classical>Osiris_X, what version of flash do you have ?
09:37<webed>he is offline help me :D
09:37<nevyn>Osiris_X: flash on linux sucks.
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09:38<webed>nobody with software raid knowledge?
09:38<nevyn>Osiris_X: X11 utilises hardware acceleration in ways that flash can't effectivly use.
09:39<Osiris_X>LOL classical, nevyn OK
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09:39<Osiris_X>I'm using what ever the latest from adobe site is
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09:41<classical>make sure you have installed your video card driver
09:41<Osiris_X>via flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.3)
09:41<Osiris_X>classical, sure I'm running compiz quite nicely
09:42<nevyn>Osiris_X: what videocard do you have?
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09:42<Osiris_X>nevyn, ATI radeon Mobility 7500
09:42<Osiris_X>real old and real shit
09:43<nevyn>Osiris_X: what r core is that r400?
09:43<Osiris_X>nevyn, r200 I believe (or maybe even r100)
09:44<nevyn>what cpu do you have?
09:45<Osiris_X>nevyn, 1600Mhz Pentium-M
09:45<babilen>webed: Just FYI: It is very hard to help you without more information. What are the errors you get? What have you done so far? (etc) /me is off
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09:46<nevyn>Osiris_X: so I think we're back at see my first statement.
09:46<Osiris_X>nevyn, ok :)
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09:47<kenyon>webed: the debian installer has support for creating and installing on software raid
09:47<Osiris_X>nevyn, better with or without KMS?
09:47<nevyn>Osiris_X: on a card that old god know.
09:48<Osiris_X>nevyn, :)
09:48<nevyn>Osiris_X: it really depends if anyone gave that portion of the driver any love in the last few years as X moved to KMS
09:49<Osiris_X>nevyn, I suspect the answer would be very little
09:49<Osiris_X>and maybe only generic optimisations are going to impact it
09:49<nevyn>Osiris_X: the problem is even tho the X devs all agree there are three drivers that matter. (nvidia, radeon and intel) how much love the old code within those drivers get asthese changes happen.. shrug
09:49<Osiris_X>nevyn, I understand, thanks for the info
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09:52<Osiris_X>nevyn, is at least safe to say using adobe flash via flashplugin-nonfree is better than Gnash?
09:52<nevyn>Osiris_X: it depends.
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09:52<nevyn>on your metrics for better.
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09:53<Osiris_X>nevyn, less cpu usage, smoother playback
09:53<Osiris_X>cpu usage is the main thing
09:53<nevyn>Osiris_X: gnash might be better.
09:53<Osiris_X>nevyn, I'll give it a whirl
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10:26<kop>nevyn, Osiris_X : What's for sure is that you'll get better support from the X folks for old hardware than you will from the hardware vendors. They simply remove support from their drivers and you're out of luck.
10:27<Osiris_X>Kop - LFC supporter?
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10:27<nevyn>kop: no argument.
10:27<kop>Osiris_X: lfc?
10:27<nevyn>kop: how many versions of the nvidia binary driver are there?
10:27<nevyn>3?
10:28<Osiris_X>kop, Liverpool Football club - nevermind - clearly you have not called yourself kop for that reason
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10:37<greVen^>hi guys... sorry if I'm totally noobish, but how do I connect to another channel?
10:37<babilen>greVen^: /join #name-of-the-channel
10:38<babilen>!tell greVen^ -about irc tutorial
10:38<greVen^>allright, thank you :)
10:38<babilen>np, have fun!
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10:50<engywucz>hi
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10:51<engywucz>i have two machines (one debian stable, one testing) and want to run a program on the debian stable one to output on my laptop (debian testing)
10:51<nevyn>engywucz: sure.
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10:52<nevyn>can you ssh from your laptop to your desktop?
10:52<engywucz>in ancient times I used to do "xhost 192.168.0.102" on my laptop (that's the IP of the server
10:52<nevyn>that's evil and wrong.
10:52<babilen>!xhost
10:52<dpkg>xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use SSH X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>.
10:52<engywucz>and "export DISPLAY=192.168.0.100" on the server
10:52<nevyn>see above.
10:53<engywucz>ahhh, thats why I get "Cannot connect to ..." when trying
10:53<nevyn>engywucz: client but whatever.
10:53<engywucz>thanks
10:53<babilen>engywucz: You probably just want ssh -X
10:53<engywucz>!dpkg sshx
10:53<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (squeeze, lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
10:54<babilen>engywucz: And you can "/msg dpkg sshx" or "/msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie" for further information :)
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10:55<engywucz>I knew there had to be better waysthan in ancient times :D
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11:06<Osiris_X>anyone here use miniupnpc on debian? If so have you managed to install python-bindings for it?
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11:08<nevyn>engywucz: just so you know. the ancient times method sends every keystroke over the network in cleartext.
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11:12<webed>ok guys i just reinstalled to note everything and tell you exactly what goes wrong
11:13<webed>so i start install, on the partitioning part i create 2 identical partitions on every disk, i use the raid option i create a raid for swap and a raid for /
11:13<webed>i save and continue
11:13<webed>the process goes well no errors nothing
11:14<webed>but when it reboots i get the messgae: No Bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any kaey
11:14<webed>key*
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11:26<Black_Prince>webed That looks like BIOS error. Unless you see somewhere GRUB message
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11:39<zeropiel>anyone able to help me get mesa 7.11 on squeeze?
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11:41<sney>judd: versions libgl1-mesa-glx
11:41<judd>Package libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; sid: 7.10.2-2; wheezy: 7.10.2-2
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11:42<mjt>their install instructions has everything that's needed
11:42<mjt>obviously it wont be debian package
11:43<sney>you could do a self-backport with uupdate to get a debian package
11:43<sney>(probably)
11:43<mjt>it's quite a bit complicated
11:43<sney>I guess this is to support that hd6000 card again
11:43<mjt>well, maybe not for mesa
11:43<mjt>hd6000?
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11:43<zeropiel>yeah
11:43<sney>zeropiel was in here yesterday trying to get 3d support on his ati hd 6000 series gpu
11:44<mjt>if it's about radeon it's not only about mesa, the main component is the kernel driver
11:44<zeropiel>finally got the fglrx in today
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11:44<sney>supporting newer hardware can be a real pain in the ass
11:44<sney>shoulda just got a 5950 :P
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11:45<zeropiel>bought it cheap so I could get it old enough
11:45<zeropiel>never learn to check support before i buy
11:46<sney>well, if it's almost supported now, it'll be fully supported in a few months probably. the radeon developers are fast
11:47<engywucz><nevyn> engywucz: just so you know. the ancient times method sends every keystroke over the network in cleartext. <--- not a problem here but I see the problem for largeish nets
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11:47<zeropiel>i found some dep-files with mesa 7.11 build for ubuntu. didnt work
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11:50<mjt>speaking of hw support. Is there any game in debian wich works with usb wheel?
11:51<tux0>mjt: what do you mean "works with usb wheel" ?
11:51<sney>don't know offhand, but I think those wheels are usually treated as a joystick, right? just a bunch of analog axes?
11:51<engywucz>depends
11:51<sney>the real question is whether there are any racing games other than Tux Racer
11:52<mjt>f.e. etracer, trigger-rally, torcs - these games are supposed to be controllable using a wheel gamepad, but they just ignore the device
11:52<sney>it's probably a configuration issue
11:52<mjt>etracer actually recognizes 4 buttons on the wheel, but not the wheel itself
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11:52<ivan>putaaa
11:52<mjt>ie, i can speed it up but not turn left/right
11:52<ivan>nuu inglis
11:53<ivan>you spanis
11:53<@Ganneff>!es-social
11:53<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:53<ivan>puta
11:53<ivan>buestros muertos
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11:55<ufolog>ihi
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11:55<mjt>jscalibrator recognizes the device just fine, and reacts to the events adequately
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12:01<roen>can anybody point me towards a solution to my "timezone not reading when I RDP to windows terminal server from Squeeze" problem?
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12:35<shoko_asahara>hi there
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12:35<shoko_asahara>No way I can make my headphone jack outpuk work in this laptop
12:35<shoko_asahara>audio works fine on internal speakers
12:35<tux0>alsamixer ?
12:35<shoko_asahara>and headphones work in Windows.
12:35<shoko_asahara>alsamixer is fine!
12:35<shoko_asahara>not mutted..
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12:36<tux0>pcm?
12:36<shoko_asahara>pcm?
12:37<shoko_asahara>100%
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12:39<shoko_asahara>the thing is that when I plug it I can hear for half a sec.
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12:44<Black_Prince>shoko_asahara, PC/Laptop (Model) and Soundcard (Model) ?
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12:45<tux0>shoko_asahara: run `alsamixer' press F5 and check the settings?
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12:46<zeromon>upgrading stopped and I could just reboot. I see now just run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory
12:46<zeromon>I can't boot my system
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12:46<shoko_asahara>Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
12:46<shoko_asahara>ans alsamixer tells
12:46<shoko_asahara>SigmaTel STAC9205
12:46<zeromon>how can I fix it?
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12:48<zeromon>I think its about lib6 something.. I tried to make symbolic link new.. but it was not succesfull.....please explain how I can make symbolic link properly
12:49<Black_Prince>zeromon, sid?
12:49<zeromon>Black_Prince: yes
12:49<Black_Prince>shoko_asahara, what laptop/pc model?
12:49<shoko_asahara>well
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12:49<cahoot>shoko_asahara: obviously there's nothing wrong with you setup if you get sound from speakers, might be a bug in the driver wrt jacksensing: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug
12:50<retrospectacus>zeromon: what were you upgrading?
12:50<retrospectacus>zeromon: can you boot the old kernel? choose it in grub
12:50<Black_Prince>http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201105/2011051201-amd64-broken-on-debian-unstable---avoid-libc6-2.13-3.html
12:50<shoko_asahara>Arita motherboard
12:50<zeromon>Black_Prince: I tested old kernel. but same problem
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12:51<Black_Prince>!sid
12:51<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian, but in #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
12:51<retrospectacus>zeromon: what version of debian did you upgrade from/to??
12:51<Black_Prince>shoko_asahara, not motherboard but manufacturer
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12:52<zeromon>Black_Prince: I am using sid and just I did aptitude full-upgrade
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12:52<zeromon>Black_Prince: I followed this instruction from link but somthing is not clear
12:53<Black_Prince>dpkg says that sid isn't supported here, but in #debian-next
12:53<dpkg>wish i knew, Black_Prince
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12:53<shoko_asahara>a japanese very wierd brand, called "Arita" I think
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12:54<Black_Prince>Even google does not know about that motherboard.
12:54<zeromon>Black_Prince: I booted with break=init rw and checked root directory. But its empty
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12:55<Black_Prince>shoko_asahara, lspci -v and !pastebin it
12:55<zeromon>can I make just symbolic link there with ln -s lib lib64
12:55<Nik05>test
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12:56<Black_Prince>zeromon, were you following me? I gave the link about fixing the issue, and then I told that debian sid is not supported here.
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12:56<zeromon>Black_Prince: ok I got it
12:56<zeromon>Black_Prince: thanks a lot
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12:58<AzaToth>do anyone know of any guide to setup ipv6 tunnel on an router AND get it to work on clients?
12:58<shoko_asahara>http://paste.debian.net/116871/
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13:02<Black_Prince>Well, it looks like that there have been several issues with sound card like yours, shoko_asahara. Try using kernel from backports if you are running Debian Squeeze.
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13:02<shoko_asahara>Black_Prince: what kernel my dear?
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13:03<Black_Prince>A Linux one?
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13:03<shoko_asahara>but what version?
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13:04<babilen>shoko_asahara: You mant linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-$(dpkg --print-architecture) from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo
13:04<raboof>is the current flashplayer-nonfree (1:2.8.3) uninstallable again? :/
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13:05<babilen>shoko_asahara: Also "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
13:05<shoko_asahara>I've found a section on my Issue
13:05<shoko_asahara>3.2. Speaker and Headphone Output
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13:05<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
13:05<judd>Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3
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13:06<babilen>raboof: You probably want to ask in #debian-next if you are running wheezy or sid -- Please also prepare a pastebin with the output of that aptitude run and "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree"
13:06<shoko_asahara>babilen: what are u talking about man?
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13:06<babilen>shoko_asahara: About ways to install a newer kernel from backports as suggested by Black_Prince
13:07<daveone>could someone run me through taking ownership of a folder plzz?
13:07<Black_Prince>daveone, chown -R yourusername:yourusergroup /path/to/folder
13:07<babilen>daveone: Read "man chown" and run "chown user:group /path/to/whatever/directory/or/file_you_want_to_change_owner"
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13:07<Black_Prince>When you use -R, it will change ownership of all folder contents to your user name and user group
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13:08<babilen>.. recursively
13:08<daveone>right - thnx guys ;)
13:08<shoko_asahara>do I need to add a new apt source?
13:08<shoko_asahara>in orther to install a backport kernel??
13:08<babilen>shoko_asahara: Yes, you do
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13:09<babilen>shoko_asahara: Read the instructions linked from the bdo factoid. It is explained there.
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13:09<gsimmons>babilen: FYI, "linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-i386" isn't an available package. ;) The factoid also needs updating as linux-latest-2.6 hasn't been backported yet.
13:10<babilen>gsimmons: marvellous, ta!
13:10<Black_Prince>,versions linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-i686
13:10<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-i686' was found in i386.
13:10<Black_Prince>,versions linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686
13:10<judd>Package linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-3~bpo60+1
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13:11<Black_Prince>For a sec I tought that judd does not have backports enabled in its sources.list :P
13:11<shoko_asahara>I want a 64bits kernel
13:11<Black_Prince>shoko_asahara, you are running 64bit version of debian?
13:11<shoko_asahara>OF COURSE.
13:12<babilen>shoko_asahara: You want linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 in that case
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13:12<shoko_asahara>can u pass me link on how to get that kernel?
13:12<Black_Prince>!bpo kernel
13:12<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). "/msg judd kernels" to see a list of kernels in Debian. See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
13:12<babilen>Black_Prince: already linked that :-\
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13:12<Black_Prince>babilen, I guess he/she did not see it
13:13<babilen>probably
13:13<shoko_asahara>ok
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13:13<Black_Prince>*blink*
13:14<babilen>That factoid won't work though. gsimmons rightfully pointed out that the metapackage that pulls in the kernel has not yet been backported.
13:14<babilen>,versions linux-image-amd64
13:14<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; wheezy: 2.6.38+33; sid: 2.6.38+34
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13:15<babilen>shoko_asahara: Therefore: Enable backports as detailed on the backports website. (read "/msg dpkg bdo") and run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64"
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13:15<shoko_asahara>I added the source manually
13:16<babilen>as opposed to?
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13:16<shoko_asahara>and apt-get update[ed]
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13:16<babilen>wonderful
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13:17<shoko_asahara>ok, it's installing now
13:18<shoko_asahara>I think I'll go wanking meanwhile
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13:21<Black_Prince>According to HD-Audio-Models.txt and linuxforums.org MAYBE adding option snd-hda-intel model=eapd to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf will solve your problem.
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13:29<Tremainne>yo
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13:34<Anderson_NTBrasil>algum br ai?
13:34<Anderson_NTBrasil>pls
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13:34<retrospectacus>!br
13:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:38<Anderson_NTBrasil>#debian-pt
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13:38<retrospectacus>tecleado /join #debian-pt
13:40<Anderson_NTBrasil>ok
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13:41<weedeater64>Black_Prince: No worries, different kind of weed http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/
13:42<Black_Prince>Ah
13:42*Black_Prince puts his weed back on the table
13:43*retrospectacus pinches a bud and takes it to #debian-offtopic
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13:47<a1234567890>051997 ha rabbit all died ,europe said.
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14:08<Black_Prince>Sometimes I hate packages.debian.org
14:08<Black_Prince>I cannot list contents of a package. It just says 'No such package in this suite on this architecture'
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14:13<Osiris_X>I keep seeing my Volume Group in Compuer:\\\ place in gnome/nautilus - is anyone else seeing this and how do I remove it?
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14:29<ComradeHaz`>Hi all. Which version of grub is installed on a stable netinst these days?
14:29<Black_Prince>,versions grub-pc
14:29<judd>Package grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14; sid: 1.99~rc1-13; wheezy: 1.99~rc1-13
14:29<Black_Prince>squeeze is stable
14:30<ComradeHaz`>so not grub 2?
14:30<sney>it is grub 2
14:30<Black_Prince>grub-pc = grub 2
14:30<ComradeHaz`>Hmm. Odd.
14:30<Black_Prince>grub-legacy = grub 1
14:30<sney>but since grub2 is still in "beta" it hasn't hit actual 2.0 yet. hence 1.9x
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14:31<ComradeHaz`>Just done a fresh install, LVM on RAID1. Boot on LVM too. Fails to boot, drops to grub rescue prompt
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14:32<ComradeHaz`>Grub 2 should be OK booting from LVM, as you probably know.
14:32<Black_Prince>There were some issues when /boot is located on raid array. Some were suggesting to create seperate boot partition.
14:32<ComradeHaz`>Shouldn't be an issue.
14:32<ComradeHaz`>Have other machines doing it fine
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14:33<sney>identical hardware configurations?
14:33<ComradeHaz`>though they're unstabe and weren't set up that way from boot
14:33<ComradeHaz`>won't be a hardware issue
14:34<ComradeHaz`>if finds boot record it can do the rest
14:34<sney>so it's not a hardware raid, then.
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14:34<ComradeHaz`>Ah, no, indeed
14:34<ZykoticK9>ComradeHaz`, I don't personally use LVM but perhaps this applies? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#LVM
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14:35<ComradeHaz`>ZykoticK9: looks like it could be appropriate, ta
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14:50<bastard>hello
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14:50<bastard>all
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14:51<bastard>iam a complete newb at debian how can i download pidgin ?
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14:51<bastard>iam running backtrack how do i download pidgin ?
14:52<sney>start by actually going to the backtrack channel
14:52<sney>#debian doesn't support derivatives
14:52<sney>if you're on xchat, right click this and choose "connect": irc://irc.freenode.net/backtrack-linux
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14:55<bastard>oke thank you !
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14:56<bastard>sorry for the inconfenice
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15:17<jon__>is there a way to improve the display resolution/see which driver is being used?
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15:18<towo`>jon__, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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15:20<jon__>towo`: for?
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15:20<towo`>for the used driver
15:20<jon__>apparently i'm using NOUVEAU; is that limited to 1024x768 output?
15:20<sney>jon__: there'll be a lot of lines describing available video modes and things like that, typically they're prefaced by the driver name in brackets
15:21<sney>nope, nouveau can support whatever your gpu can support
15:21<towo`>jon__, no, nouveau has not such limitations
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15:21<jon__>ah, it tries other but it gives "hsync out of range"
15:21<jon__>how do i fix that? i know this monitor can do 1600x1200
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15:24<towo`>jon__, paste your x-log
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15:24<sney>(not in the channel, to a pastebin site)
15:24<jon__>towo`: https://gist.github.com/4db2896411a7f21281e2
15:26<sney>hmm, can a geforce2 drive 1600x1200?
15:26<jon__>pretty sure it has before...
15:26<jon__>with XGL, once upon a time...
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15:27<jon__>with a higher refresh than 60hz, too
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15:27<mateusz>Hi, I have a problem with playing flash movies, the moving is stoping unless I move mouse
15:27<mateusz>does anyone else experience this?
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15:29<f0rk>I'm trying to use buildbot on debian, and for some reason the defaults have been made unchangeable by introducing asserts
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15:31<chealer>jon__: try the nv driver
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15:31<chealer>jon__: the highest resolution offered is 1024x768?
15:32<towo`>i think, nouveau don't get right eded values from the monitor
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15:32<towo`>edid
15:32<jon__>chealer: yup
15:32<jon__>chealer: how do i change the driver?
15:32<chealer>jon__: is xserver-xorg-video-nv installed?
15:33<chealer>a GeForce 2 can surely handle more than 1024x768
15:33<jon__>chealer: yes
15:33<chealer>jon__: I guess you could simply uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nouveau. or you configure X to use nv
15:34<jon__>url for X configuration instructions?
15:34<towo`>then, nouveau kernel-module must blacklisted
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15:35<sney>jon__: man 5 xorg.conf, but just put the Device section in a text file by itself and save it as nv.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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15:36<jon__>sney: i don't have an xorg.conf.d
15:36<towo`>mfdir it
15:36<towo`>mkdir
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15:39<jon__>sney: what Identifier should i use for the "Device" section?
15:40<sney>doesn't matter. usually Card0 is the default, or it could be "steve"
15:40<sney>it just needs some text string there
15:41<jon__>sney: so just Identifier `"Screen" / Driver "nv"` should be enough?
15:42<sney>yep
15:42<jon__>time to reboot then. thanks.
15:42<sney>oh you probably have to blacklist nouveau
15:42<jon__>how do i do that?
15:42<sney>I don't remember if it's necessary for nv, but it can't hurt
15:43<sney>in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
15:43<sney>the syntax is pretty obvious
15:43<towo`>echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau-blacklist.conf
15:43<towo`>sney, it's nessesary, nouveau will not load, if kms is in use
15:44<sney>ok
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15:45<jon__>ok, let's try this then. thanks.
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16:02<Osiris_X>I keep seeing my Volume Group in Compuer:\\\ place in gnome/nautilus - is anyone else seeing this and how do I remove it?
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16:07<zweilever>are sed & awk still useful and relevant or should I not bother with them?
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16:07<babilen>zweilever: sure they are
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16:07<gladilov>доброй ночи
16:08<babilen>zweilever: I wouldn't use them for rendering graphics but they are the best tools in their respective niche
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16:08<zweilever>babilen: text manipulation right?
16:08<babilen>yep
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16:09<babilen>But why would you "bother" with them and what would change if you don't bother?
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16:11<zweilever>babilen: I've got some money, and I'm looking to expand my knowledge/library.
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16:12<zweilever>the sed & awk just happens to be cheap, but if knowing them isn't really going to have a big impact I could use the money on something else
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16:12<zweilever>if you catch my drift ;;
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16:13<TeaDrinker>You can learn plenty about sed & awk online. I wouldn't buy the book if I was you.
16:13<TeaDrinker>s/was/were/
16:13*TeaDrinker chuckles
16:13<sney>I see what you did there
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16:14<zweilever>TeaDrinker: I like physical books, and this one is only five whole american dollars
16:14<babilen>zweilever: Do you mind if we take this to #debian-offtopic?
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16:15<babilen>zweilever: sed&awk for a fiver is definitely worth it!
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16:21<jhutchins_lt>I really appreciated hardcopy documentation when I was first learning linux. I have Running Linux, Sendmail, and a bunch of the O'Reilly books, but I use online docs more now.
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16:26<xlinssx>Hi
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16:27<Lenhix>Hello. Could someone help me with the postgrey package included in Debian?
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16:31<babilen>Lenhix: Quite hard if you don't ask a more specific question ... A postfix channel might also be better suited. :-\
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16:32<ompaul>Lenhix: I'm not offering because I don't know what it is you are asking, some people might know a little and could answer your question, or if it is hard it might get taken up by a suitable person who knows a lot.
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16:33<Lenhix>babilen & ompaul: thx. It's pretty basic, actually: where can I modify the "early-retry" time in postgrey?
16:34<babilen>.... stab in the dark: What about it's configuration files?
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16:35<ompaul>Lenhix: not saying this is the right answer but ... http://www.debuntu.org/postfix-and-postgrey-a-proactive-approach-to-spam-filtering-p2
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16:37<Lenhix>babilen: didn't found those in /etc/postgrey... unless there is some obscure syntax for that in whitelist_client/recipient
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16:42<zen>home folder appeared on desktop, how to remove from it?
16:43<ompaul>Lenhix: had you bothered to follow the link I suggested you might have looked in /etc/defaults/postgrey
16:43<sney>desktop options surely
16:43<cahoot>zen: gnome?
16:43<ompaul>rm Desktop/foo if foo is its name but thats a whole other story and it costs more
16:43<zen>yes
16:44<cahoot>zen: I'd say gconf-editor-apps-nautilus (somewhere)
16:44<zen>tried already and nothing...
16:44<ompaul>how did you create that file
16:45<cahoot>zen: seems to be an option here though
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16:46<ompaul>zen: http://paste.debian.net paste the result of ls -l Desktop
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16:46<cahoot>zen: I'd say gconf-editor->apps->nautilus->Desktop
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16:49<zen>cahoot: on desktop appeared all folders and files from home folder
16:49<Lenhix>ompaul: yep, thank you very much (didn't read it before answering to babilen). The answer was, indeed, the variables used by the init.d script in /etc/default/postgrey :)
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16:50<ompaul>Lenhix: enjoy it :)
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16:51<zen>ls -l Desktop : No such file or directory
16:51<ompaul>zen: what do you get for pwd
16:52<zen>/home/zen
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16:56<ompaul>zen: I'm slightly confused so excuse me while I stand back
16:56<babilen>zen: You mean your /home/zen directory is linked from your desktop now?
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16:57<babilen>zen: And when you open it in a filemanager (nautilus) you'll see /home/zen as opposed to something else? (if unsure press ctrl-l)
16:57<zen>exactly
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16:58<zen>everything i put on home folder appear on desktop
16:58<babilen>zen: Can you right click on it and check its properties? what is the problem with that btw? I think this is created by nautilus ... do you dislike it being there?
16:58<babilen>huh!
16:58<babilen>zen: No, that shouldn't happen
16:58<zen>i strongly agree....
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16:59<grummund>Is this correct to have grub boot to the last booted OS?
16:59<grummund>edit /etc/default/grub with GRUB_DEFAULT=saved, and then run update-grub
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17:00<babilen>well, I guess that is some nautilus problem .. You might want to look into gconf-editor settings for nautilus and see if you find something. I don't use Gnome or let nautilus manage my "desktop" so I am unsure how this happened
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17:00<ompaul>babilen: I saw something like that on an old kde
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17:00<ompaul>give me a min to try and remember
17:00<ompaul>zen: do you use ldap or have you had other users on that box before?
17:01<ompaul>UID clash
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17:01<babilen>grummund: read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' about GRUB_DEFAULT and GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT
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17:03<babilen>zen!!! I just found it ...
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17:05<grummund>babilen: thanks
17:05<babilen>zen: You left prematurely -- check the value of /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir in gconf-editor
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17:06<zen>checked, is not selected
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17:07<babilen>zen: well, could've been it
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17:07<babilen>zen: do you mayhaps have a link from /home/zen/Desktop to /home/zen?
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17:08<babilen>And what about ompaul's question earlier?
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17:09<ompaul>zen: do you use ldap or have you had other users on that box before?
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17:14<ZykoticK9>I'm failing to get X working with an old Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 AGP [10de:0181] on squeeze. Noveau fails (NOUVEAU Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0) so I'm trying to get the proprietary nvidia96 drivers to work. Pastebins: /var/log/dmesg http://pastebin.com/B0ZgMyxr and /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/pZiNqQk5 if I boot the system, for a brief second I see the round "working" mouse pointer, then drops to a blinking
17:14<ZykoticK9>cursor at this point I can switch to a VT (if I attempt to restart GDM3 entire system hangs) any suggestions?
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17:17<chealer>ZykoticK9: any reason not to use nv?
17:18<abcd82>when you do new debian install there is a task "basic utilities" or "base system" for example less utility is included, from where after installation i can get package list of that task? its not shown in tasksel
17:18<ZykoticK9>chealer, I did "try" just using nv (probably while nvidia driver still installed) got the same blinking cursor. But no, I'd be happy with a working nv.
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17:21<chealer>ZykoticK9: so there's a fatal server error but nothing about it in the log?
17:22<ZykoticK9>chealer, greping for EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log only shows the table, and SCREEN-SAVER???
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17:24<chealer>ZykoticK9: wait, sorry, I was confused, thought your nvidia log was your nouveau log
17:24<chealer>ZykoticK9: nouveau was the default driver used, and X would crash with that?
17:25<ZykoticK9>chealer, with Nouveau it have me the "Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0"
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17:25<ZykoticK9>chealer, no such error with nVidia proprietary
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17:36<chealer>ZykoticK9: I suggest you retry with nv, perhaps after uninstalling the other drivers, and after a restart, although that shouldn't be needed.
17:36<ZykoticK9>chealer, thanks - I'll give it a shot.
17:36<chealer>ZykoticK9: it would be unlikely that both nv and nvidia would have the same issue on such an old card
17:36<chealer>ZykoticK9: and keep logs from your attempt
17:37<chealer>ZykoticK9: if you need a more immediate solution, there's also vesa
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17:52<ZykoticK9>If both nv and vesa aren't working either does anyone have any suggestions now?
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18:30<xplicit>hey all just a quick question. I was reading up on the whole iceweasel/firefox issue. Does that mean there will be no continued support for firefox on debian?
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18:32<babilen>xplicit: huh? what have you been reading?
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18:32<jhutchins_lt>xplicit: Sounds like you would have been better off wrapping fish with it than reading it.
18:32<retrospectacus>!tell xplicit about why iceweasel
18:33<babilen>jhutchins_lt: don't forget the chips!
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18:34<xplicit>so iceweasel basically /is/ firefox with a different logo. I assume this is why there is no package for firefox with I apt-get
18:34<babilen>indeed
18:34<xplicit>thanks for the clarification)
18:35<xplicit>=)
18:35<grove>xplicit: iceweasel also has some security support
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18:35<babilen>xplicit: The mozilla team is working hard, there are lots of discussions about the future (ff5 + library support) and everything. I fail to understand how you got the idea that ff/iw will not be supported on Debian in the future
18:36<xplicit>guess I just didn't phrase what I was saying correctly
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18:36<grove>(that's not just: upgrade to bleeding edge)
18:36<retrospectacus>xplicit: it's true that when someone comes in here trying to install Firefox™ and refusing to use Iceweasel, we don't usually provide support ;)
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18:37<xplicit>I like iceweasel so far, I have no issues I was just confused as to why there was no repositories for firefox when I searched, but there were tons for iceweasel. So I googled around, and I wasn't sure if there was going to be further support. Although it does look like firefox has .deb package available for ff4, just haven't tried it yet
18:37<babilen>xplicit: See, for example, http://mozilla.debian.net/
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18:39<babilen>debian ff4 packages fresh from the press and from the debian maintainers (pkg-mozilla team)
18:39<xplicit>nice, thanks guys for showing me the ways =D
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18:40<babilen>sure, no problem ... I was just a bit surprised and curious where you got this idea :)
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18:41<grove>While we are on the subject of browsers. I have tried chromium, decided I didn't like it as much as iceweasel, but kept it at work for when I need two browsers (for testing things), but today I saw that I can't update/install extensions because google thinks the version from squeeze is too old. Any workarounds for that?
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18:42<retrospectacus>grove: /msg dpkg tum to install chromium-browser from sid
18:43<retrospectacus>,versions chromium-browser
18:43<judd>Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; sid: 10.0.648.205~r81283-1
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18:43<babilen>,versions chromium
18:43<judd>Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 10.0.648.205~r81283-1
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18:44<grove>retrospectacus: I think I'll prefer epiphany-browser or just live with the extensions I have - I like stable, and as I said I prefer iceweasel anyway
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18:45<dennisthetiger>Greetings!
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18:45<retrospectacus>all you really have to do is add a sid source, update, install chromium-browser, then remove the sid source, update. You'll be running stable and have chromium from sid
18:46<babilen>I will never be able to use chromium if the vim plugins stay in the shape they are in now. But development to a level that is on par with pentadactyl is unlikely due to the way extensions are implemented.
18:46<retrospectacus>mileage may vary slightly due to dependencies, but this is what I did, quite simple.
18:46<dennisthetiger>I have a .tar file that is about 88 GB in size, and after it extracts about 3.4 GB of it, tar tells me it is skipping to the next header. How do I recover from this error and get past that 3.4 GB mark?
18:47<dennisthetiger>Additional note, this is NOT a compressed .tar file.
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18:49<grove>I'd probably setup pinning, if I wanted to do that, but I don't think it's worth it
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18:51<grove>dennisthetiger: How was that tar file made?
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18:53<dennisthetiger>grove: 'tar -cvf foo.tar /home/dennisthetiger' as root
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18:59<dennisth1tiger>grove: connection timed out, no screen. Did you say anything to me in the past few minutes other than the question about how I made the file?
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19:03<grove>dennisthetiger: No, I'm trying to find our what tar might mean, when your tar file wasn't appended to (I'm not that familiar with tar)
19:03<dennisthetiger>grove: Ah, OK
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19:03<dennisthetiger>...it finally gave up, said it can't recover form the error.
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19:05<WhitePelican>I just installed Debian Squeeze and am having issues with installing Skype. Where can I go for help?
19:05<dennisthetiger>by the way, how do I locate the superblocks on an ext3 filesystem?
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19:06<Nemoder>!skype
19:06<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype
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19:07<WhitePelican>hmmm
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19:08<WhitePelican>I downloaded the skype 64 bit deb from the Skpe site, installed it and can't get it to work
19:08<WhitePelican>Pidgin has no camera support
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19:08<akerl>WhitePelican: Did you actually read the above?
19:09<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: you have not described your problem
19:10<WhitePelican>ok I get a strange error message. Hopefully the too much text bot won't kick me: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
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19:11<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: throw all that away and read what dpkg said
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19:14<WhitePelican>Selecting previously deselected package ia32-libs-gtk.
19:14<WhitePelican>(Reading database ... 127835 files and directories currently installed.)
19:14<WhitePelican>Unpacking ia32-libs-gtk (from .../ia32-libs-gtk_20110310_amd64.deb) ...
19:14<WhitePelican>Setting up ia32-libs-gtk (20110310) ...
19:14<WhitePelican>Setting up skype (2.2.0.25-1) ...
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19:16<Osiris_X>I keep seeing my Volume Group as a potential mount / mount point (in computer:\\\ and Cairo shortcuts) - is anyone else seeing this and how do I remove it?
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19:18<tharkun>Is there a port of linphone for MacOS ? Or for the matter any VOIP program that works on the mac an Linux?
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19:19<Nemoder>tharkun: mumble is nice
19:20<demooriaan>dennisthetiger: man e2fsck
19:20<retrospectacus>mumble++
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19:22<tharkun>Nemoder: thanks i am researching it as of this momment.
19:22<tharkun>Do you have a client installed or do you have a server also? (Murmur)
19:22<Nemoder>yes
19:22<retrospectacus>tharkun: both
19:23<Nemoder>there are many public servers though
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19:24<tharkun>Ok, i think i'll be setting one up :D
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19:25<WhitePelican>retrospectacus, here is the paste http://paste.debian.net/116901/
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19:25<WhitePelican>sorry about flooding
19:25<dennisthetiger>demooriaan: Anything in particular I'm looking for in the man page?
19:25<akerl>WhitePelican: "Not supported in #debian"
19:25<dennisthetiger>Wait, there it is.
19:26<dennisthetiger>demooriaan: Interesting. The system suggests it's a zero lenght partition, and spews out a bunch of I/O errors.
19:26<dennisthetiger>So new question - how do I tell my system that there is a partition on this drive that is not zero length, without losing data?
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19:27<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: 1) there are no problems in your paste (besides general noobishness) 2) we do not support this 3) just add the source and apt-get install skype, like dpkg said when you first got here
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19:28<retrospectacus>!tell WhitePelican about skype
19:28<retrospectacus>again
19:28<jumi>hello
19:28<dennisthetiger>WhitePelican: Check yourm essages from dpkg, dude
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19:29<jumi>anyone knows python + skype4py
19:29<jumi>?
19:29<WhitePelican>OHHHHH, I thought you meant the output from my dpkg run
19:29<WhitePelican>I see what you mean now, I'll try what dpkg said
19:29<demooriaan>dennisthetiger: Options -b superblock 2nd article
19:29<retrospectacus>:)
19:29<retrospectacus>jumi: do you have a debian question?
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19:30<dennisthetiger>demooriaan: Found it. Trying also to mkfs -n the fs, though, and it will tell me the superblocks - but it tells me the partition is zero length.
19:30<jumi>I do it on debian
19:31<dennisthetiger>!tell jumi about anyone
19:31<retrospectacus>!tell jumi about ask
19:31<dennisthetiger>jumi: useful info in what we just sent you. =)
19:31<demooriaan>hopefully on a non-mounted disk
19:31<dennisthetiger>demooriaan: Can't even mount the thing.
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19:32<jumi>I guess you can't help me then?
19:32<retrospectacus>not if you don't ask a question...
19:32<ayaka>Can I know when the pc shutdown last time ?
19:32<dennisthetiger>ayaka: /var/log/syslog would have a clue.
19:32<demooriaan> /var/log/syslog
19:33<jumi>ok so I have a simple script that can make a call
19:33<jumi>which is ok
19:33<jumi>but I want to add more users to the conference
19:33<akerl>jumi, this is not a debian question that you're asking...
19:34<dennisthetiger>jumi: You might want to ask the skyp4py people.
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19:34<jumi>do you know if they have any channel for skype4py ?
19:34<dennisthetiger>jumi: While I use an Android phone as a modem on Windows sometimes, it doesn't mean Microsoft is going to help me. THus is the same - while you use a program on Debian, there are so many programs that we don't have teha bility to support all of them.
19:34<jumi>or anyone who tried
19:35<ayaka>dennisthetiger, I get it, by if it was shutdown in normal what it will show ?
19:35<dennisthetiger>jumi: Try going to the web page. Gogle is your friend.
19:35<jumi>guys I think you are oversensitive
19:35<jumi>I do programming stuff on debian
19:35<jumi>this is one of them
19:35<WhitePelican>retrospectacus, I tried what dpkg said, however that repository gives a 404, so that info is apparently out of date or invalid
19:35<jumi>google know nothing about my problem
19:35<jumi>I double checked that
19:35<dennisthetiger>jumi: Maybe the python people would be helpful then?
19:35<jumi>python channel is almost empty
19:36<jumi>and noone is willing to talk
19:36<akerl>jumi: It doesn't really matter what you think about the people here... If the people in charge say this isn't the right channel, it's not.
19:36<dennisthetiger>ayaka: Lemme look, hang on.
19:36<WhitePelican>I'll figure it out myself, thanks anyway
19:36<jumi>this is very kind of you
19:36<dennisthetiger>jumi: There are also mailing lists, web fora, and similar. Long and short: we've told you we can't help, and that means we can't help. Full stop.
19:36<ayaka>dennisthetiger, demooriaan thank both of you
19:37<jumi>your help is highly appreciated
19:37<ayaka>what is Phoenix BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM means in dmesg?
19:37<jumi>there are 459 people on this channel I can't believe there is noone who khows python
19:37<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: let me check, 1sec
19:37<jumi>but
19:37<dennisthetiger>ayaka: do 'grep -i shut /var/log/syslog' for the clues. Not hte best approach, granted. =)
19:37<jumi>stay safe
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19:38<jumi>definietely wrong place to ask
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19:38<dennisthetiger>Is it a full moon or something?
19:39<ayaka>dennisthetiger, this time, I think somebody took the power off
19:39<dennisthetiger>ayaka: That error would have me refer to your motherboard's manual, but those don't often contain such errors.
19:39<dennisthetiger>ayaka: Hmm... hang on, there are other clues. Did you have to power on?
19:39<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: works for me
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19:39<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: the line in /etc/apt/sources.list is: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
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19:40<dennisthetiger>ayaka: If you had to power the box on, you can derive the shutdown time by looking in syslog for when you powered on, and looking above that for the time stamps.
19:41<ayaka>dennisthetiger, no, the power of the power line
19:41<WhitePelican>retrospectacus, I tried that
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19:41<dennisthetiger>ayaka: Ah, OK. Assuming power failure. You don't havce a UPS, do you?
19:41<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: what is the URL that said 404
19:41<Vlam>It seems I cannot not auto mount flash drives when I plug them in...
19:41<WhitePelican>I even copied and pasted under the line I had in there and it was identical
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19:42<ayaka>dennisthetiger, no it's too dear and this time may be made by human
19:42<WhitePelican>retrospectacus, http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/dists/stable/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
19:42<Vlam>When I plug in any flash drive I get this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
19:42<Vlam> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
19:42<Vlam> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
19:42<Vlam>dmesg tail or so
19:42<dennisthetiger>ayaka: OK.
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19:42<Vlam>Whoops
19:42<retrospectacus>!tell Vlam about vfatrw
19:43<Vlam>http://paste.debian.net/116904/
19:43<dennisthetiger>ayaka: The best bet would be to open the relevant syslog in your favorite text editor, and look through it to see when you powered up.
19:43<retrospectacus>Vlam: aaaaand what did dmesg say?
19:44<ayaka>if noone know what is my bios problem, I want to ask another about fbterm
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19:44<noobsta>Hey, folks; I have a question. I have an older laptop with a broken screen. I managed to get debian installed without any X packages and am running though an external monitor...
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19:44<retrospectacus>WhitePelican I guess there is no 64-bit skype
19:44<Vlam>dmesg | tail said: http://paste.debian.net/116906/
19:45<ayaka>dennisthetiger, it's too hard for me, I'm praticing to use vim
19:45<noobsta>whenever I install and start x, the monitor goes blank. is there a way to force X to use the vga output?
19:45<retrospectacus>Vlam: edit /etc/fstab and remove the line "/dev/sdb /media/cdrom udf etc." (approximately)
19:46<WhitePelican>damn
19:46<WhitePelican>ok, I'll figure something else out
19:46<CodeFreak>where can i configure the temprature my system does a automatic shutdown? i have an old hp notebook and the temp the system has now is to low and it shutdowns every 10 minutes if i start eclipse
19:46<Vlam>Retro then what do I do?
19:46<retrospectacus>WhitePelican: however your very first paste, with all the noobishness, looked ok. Run apt-get -f install.
19:46<ayaka>dennisthetiger, thank you very much, I have to go for a test(I'm in school), but I will be back in 4 hours
19:47<retrospectacus>Vlam: that's it. replug the usb drive
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19:47<Vlam>It says the same thing
19:47<Vlam>er never mind
19:47<tbruff13>does anyone know how to use winff
19:47<retrospectacus>-.-
19:47<Vlam>I didn't close the error message from before
19:47<Vlam>Thanks
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19:47<dennisthetiger>ayaka: Glad to help, good luck.
19:49<retrospectacus>tbruff13: someone probably does... unless you made that word up. Just ask your actual question
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19:49<tbruff13>how would I add a Mp4 audio preset to Winff the frontend for ffmpeg
19:49<ZykoticK9>retrospectacus, winff is a GUI frontend to ffmpeg
19:50<retrospectacus>cool
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20:43<raam>helo
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20:51<c01001>hello ?
20:52<sney>hi
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20:53<c01001>i need some help, somebody have time for me ?
20:55<sney>if you have a debian question, just ask, and if anyone knows they will help you
20:55<c01001>ok, thx. Debian squeeze and have ATI radeon x1950 pro driver problem!
20:56<weedeater64>What package is 'showrgb' part of ?
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20:56<sney>weedeater64: apt-file search
20:56<ayaka>c01001, what is the problwm?
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20:58<c01001>after installation xorg.conf: Section "Device" Identifier "ATI" Driver "fglrx" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" DefaultDepth 24 EndSection
20:58<c01001>reboot, then black screen nothing work.
20:58<ayaka>c01001, how do you install your driver?
20:59<sney>can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log?
21:00<c01001>ati catalyst control center doesn't work. fglrxinfo segmentation fault
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21:00<c01001>install like : http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
21:00<weedeater64>cool, ty
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21:02<Adonai>check...
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21:02<sney>!test
21:02<dpkg>Test failed.
21:03<Adonai>!test
21:03<sney>c01001: can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log ?
21:03<c01001>wait plz...
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21:04<kaisar>hello
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21:04<sney>c01001: did you look at the Supported Devices section of that wiki page? it says the X1950 is not supported by fglrx, so you should be using the 'radeon' driver
21:05<ayaka>how to use gtk-gnutell?
21:05<kaisar>my webcam doesnt support linux can you help me
21:06<sney>your webcam doesn't support linux? time to get a new webcam :P
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21:06<pepito>hola
21:07<sney>ayaka: read the manual
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21:08<sney>c01001: please ask questions in the channel
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21:08<ayaka>sney, I know, but it seems all debian package is old)it said, I even try the sid one
21:08<pepito>alguien sabe donde puedo encontrar una guia completa del juego de indiana jones 2 de lego para psp
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21:08<sney>pepito: no aqui
21:08<c01001>i want send some information fom Xorg.0.log
21:08<pepito>where???
21:08<sney>c01001: so copy it and put it on a website, like http://paste.debian.net/
21:09<sney>pepito: no se y no me importa.
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21:09<c01001>done
21:09<sney>link?
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21:10<c01001>http://paste.debian.net/116914/
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21:10<pepito>thnaks for nothing my friend
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21:12<sney>c01001: well, it ignored your xorg.conf and used radeon, which is good. you do need to install the package firmware-linux-nonfree to get full functionality, but that wouldn't cause a black screen
21:14<c01001>firmware-linux-nonfree is install...
21:14<c01001>with xorg.conf: Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver "radeon" EndSection
21:14<sney>fglrxinfo and catalyst control center are irrelevant because you can't use fglrx
21:15<c01001>ahh ok
21:15<sney>if you're using snippets like that you should put them in individual files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
21:15<sney>with radeon, does X load or do you still get the black screen?
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21:16<c01001>with radeon works fine.
21:16<sney>ok.
21:16<sney>there you go!
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21:18<c01001>ok. thx.
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21:29<tin-kidneys>Hey folks, having an issue with openbox (i use openbox standalone, without Gnome or any other DE). I boot to the commandline, type "openbox-session" and get "cannot open display." I can get in just fine using startx, but i'm unable to get it to work using custom config files.
21:30<tin-kidneys>any ideas?
21:30<SynrG>why do you think running openbox-session from a console should work?
21:30<SynrG>that doesn't work any more than typing 'iceweasel' from the commandline does
21:31<SynrG>(on console, i mean)
21:31<tin-kidneys>I must have read the Documentation wrong.
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21:31<ayaka>tin-kidneys, I think you should try /etc/init.d/ way
21:32<sney>or rather, startx and set your window manager with update-alternatives
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21:34<tin-kidneys>sney: so when i run startx, the command is referencing my ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh file?
21:35<sney>if you want startx to do something special, put it in your ~/.xinitrc
21:35<drgr33n>Hey guys i was wondering if someone could help me ? I've just updated a few packages from sid and now my mouse doesn't work ? I've had a similar problem before where my keyboard didn't work either but fixed that. This however looks like something different. I have xserver-xorg-input-mouse & synaptics installed and Xorg finds the mouse because I can see it in the log.
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21:35<guillermo>BUNEAS
21:35<ayaka>gtk-gnutella can work after a route?
21:36<tin-kidneys>exit
21:36<guillermo>necesito un pedir favor?
21:36<tin-kidneys>lol.
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21:36<sney>drgr33n: sid support goes to #debian-next, but that sounds like our udev problem
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21:38<drgr33n>@sney thanks
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21:41<ayaka>after I use localepure it always show localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 1276 KiB in apt how to hide it?
21:42<tin-kidneys>clear
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21:44<SynrG>redirect stdout to /dev/null
21:44<ayaka>SynrG, but it will don't show anything
21:45<SynrG>pipe to grep -v to hide the one line you don't want to see
21:45<SynrG>why don't you want to see this, anyway?
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21:48<SynrG>ayaka: or ... read the script :)
21:49<ayaka>SynrG, but locatepure can't be configed, I shall do this every time
21:49<SynrG>ayaka: read ... the ... script :)
21:49<Adonai>ayaka: did you try to use GNUNet?
21:49<SynrG>the answer is right in it
21:50<gpm>hi. i'm running amd64 with pulse audio and everything works great EXCEPT 32-bit apps (skype, and others). i've installed lib32asound2-plugins, which i thought would fix it. any clues?
21:52<ayaka>Adonai, what is it?
21:53<Adonai>another distributed network download app )
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21:56<tin-kidneys>hey guys, if i'm in the wrong section... let me know. But from the openbox documentation, it says that from the commandline i could use "openbox-session", to launch an openbox session just like as if i were to select openbox from a graphical log in.
21:56<tin-kidneys>When i do that, i'm getting a "cannot open display" error, and was just wondering if anyone had a minute to help me out?
21:57<ayaka>Adonai, installing
21:58<SynrG>ayaka: ok, i shouldn't be so obscure. it obeys SHOWFREEDSPACE found in the config file that the package sets up with dpkg-reconfigure
21:58<ayaka>Adonai, it seems my gnutella's version is too old, I compile it myself it work thank you
21:58<SynrG>ayaka: it defaults to showing freed space. if you reconfigure, you should be able to turn that off
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21:58<tin-kidneys>SynrG: the documentation is contrary to what you just told me, so just a heads up.
21:58<Adonai>ayaka: it said it for me too... 0.96.9 is latest now
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21:59<SynrG>tin-kidneys: hm. looking at it in sid, so dunno about stable
21:59<tin-kidneys>I'm on Wheezy
21:59<SynrG>oh. you know #debian-next is for wheezy support questions
22:00<ayaka>Adonai, but debian's is so old even sid one
22:00<tin-kidneys>ah, muchas gracias. Hope you have a good night/day, morrow.
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22:00<Adonai>ayaka: Yes, no updates even in experimental branch.
22:01<ayaka>SynrG, it can't dpkg-reconfigure, it said no such package
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22:03<ayaka>SynrG, done thank you
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22:05<xplicit>I'm sure it's as simple as creating a .exrc but why in vi when I use the spacebar to seperate two characters does it delete the character rather than add a space between it?
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22:06<sney>xplicit: because you're in overwrite rather than insert mode
22:07<xplicit>Hmmm I am almost positive I am in insert mode but lemme give it a quick try just to make sure
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22:09<xplicit>I feel dumb now,, thank you sney, it's becuase I'm not used to using hjkl to move the cursor, and the arrow keys put me into overwrite mode it seems
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22:10<marcelolara>hello there
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22:19<weedeater64>haha, she's watching some show, ther were talking about some guy on a mountain, interviewing someone, apparrently wife/girlfriend, was unclear and confusing I thought it was a longhair dude. Remember the good old day when you thought someone was probably a woman if they had long hair?
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22:28<gpm>hi. i'm running amd64 with pulse audio and everything works great EXCEPT 32-bit apps (skype, and others). i've installed lib32asound2-plugins, which i thought would fix it. any clues?
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22:52<Vlam>What does ata2 status DRDY mean at boot? I'm using a rather old desktop and I formatted the hard drive to delete Windows and it says that 3 times at start up with Debian then boots.
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22:56<Vlam>The drive is still good but I'm not sure why it is saying that
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23:05<Vlam>It's an IDE drive by the wya
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23:05<wicdtrouble>Hi Can someone help me connect to wireless. My wicd is not recognizing any wireless networks including mine. Typing iwconfig gives me this output: http://paste.debian.net/116921/
23:06<wicdtrouble>I am on the wired network now
23:06<Vlam>Remove wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces and all related settings
23:06<Vlam>or wl0 or whatever your wirless card is named
23:06<wicdtrouble>thanks I will try that
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23:08<Vlam>Then after that run /etc/init.d/networking restart as root or restart your computer and try using wicd again
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23:10<wicdtrouble>Vlam, the interfaces file had no wlan0 to begin with: http://paste.debian.net/116923/
23:11<wicdtrouble>I am going to run the /etc/init.d/networking restart now
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23:11<Vlam>Oh hmm try opening wicd preferences
23:12<Vlam>is there anything for wireless interfaces?
23:12<wicdtrouble>wlan0
23:12<wicdtrouble>it was blank earlier and I put that in
23:12<Vlam>huh I have no idea then
23:13<wicdtrouble>maybe I should change it to wl0?
23:14<Vlam>It might work
23:14<Vlam>then just search for networks again
23:15<Vlam>If that doesn't work then it must be a hardware or driver problem or soemthing like that
23:15<wicdtrouble>it is wlZERO correct?
23:15<wicdtrouble>not OH
23:16<wicdtrouble>wl0 is not working...
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23:16<wicdtrouble>Any way I can check if my wireless is turned on?
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23:17<wicdtrouble>I am going to reboot and see if that changes anything. Will be right back...
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23:22<wicdtrouble>okay I am back and nothing has changed. Wireless still is not being detected
23:22<wicdtrouble>Any idea how I can check if my driver is installed?
23:22<wicdtrouble>I had ubuntu on earlier and it worked
23:23<wicdtrouble>however it has never worked on debian
23:23<Tiff>Please tell us your hardware.
23:23<Tiff>what wifi card are you using
23:24<Tiff>etc
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23:24<wicdtrouble>any command to find that out?
23:24<Tiff>plenty
23:24<womp>Have you tried using networkmanager instead of wicd?
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23:25<wicdtrouble>I have. actually. I switched to wicd because networkmanager was not detecting any wireless either
23:25<Tiff>womp: if iwconfig doesn't show a wireless interface there are more fundamental issues than which GUI he's using to manage it.
23:25<wicdtrouble>Tiff, could you please tell me on
23:25<wicdtrouble>which command, I mean
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23:26<Tiff>don't rly have time to go through this, but i suggest you find out the card type - it may require the installation of non-free firmware and whatnot. see here for info: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
23:27<Jardi>Hello everyone! I'm looking for some advice about buying a laptop
23:27<womp>wicdtrouble: lspci
23:29<wicdtrouble>thanks womp, looks like it is 06:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller (rev 10)
23:29<Jardi>I want to get a Linux laptop... What I don't want is to pay for Windows 7 that comes on every laptop if I'm gonna end up formating it and installing Linux on it..
23:30<Jardi>wondering if somebody here can give me an advice..
23:30<wicdtrouble>Jardi, System76 sells laptops with ubuntu on them. I recently bought a System76 laptop. In my experience, it costs the SAME to get a laptop like System76 and something like Toshiba with the SAME specs that comes with Windows
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23:31<wicdtrouble>Getting a reliable laptop brand should be your priority
23:31<wicdtrouble>installing linux hardly takes any time
23:31<Osiris_X>I updated epiphany to 3.0 to get more stability, but it looks like it is not themed properly - what do I need to install?
23:32<Jardi>I like Lenovo Thinkpads but I contacted Lenovo some days ago, and the only option they gave was Windows as OS
23:33<kop>Jardi: Get something pre-installed so you know it works, or get a thinkpad. Get one off ebay if you don't want an os. (FWIW I've had good luck with e-racks.com pre-installed systems, although have not bought a laptop.)
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23:33<wicdtrouble>Well, then I suggest you get lenovo and install linux on them. its a myth that you are paying for win7. In fact Microsoft subsidizes laptops with win7 so you are getting the same specification laptop for LESS
23:34<Jardi>@ wicdtrouble, I didn't know that...
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23:34<kop>wicdtrouble: That sounds like something unverifiable because MS would have it all under non-disclosure contracts.
23:35<Jardi>I already checked System76, but their laptops seem pretty expensive to me and don't really know the brand name much
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23:36<wicdtrouble>yes, I didn't know that as well. I only found that out AFTER I bought this expensive pangolin performance laptop from System 76 and then found that the toshiba systems were relatively cheaper and I could have got i7 instead of i5 and couple GB of RAMs more, had I got a win7 preinstalled toshiba
23:37<wicdtrouble>System76 has excellent customer service but only for ubunty
23:37<wicdtrouble>ubunty
23:37<wicdtrouble>aarrgh
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23:37<wicdtrouble>ubuntu
23:37<Jardi>What do you think about Thinkpads? I personally like them
23:37<wicdtrouble>I mean
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23:37<ml|>Jardi: I also recommend a thinkpad used or new
23:37<andantino>any opinions on mint vs ubuntu
23:37<wicdtrouble>I have always been a toshiba person....
23:38<wicdtrouble>But this time I went with System76
23:38<nevyn>andantino: neither of them are debian.
23:38<akerl>andantino: ubuntu doesn't freshen breath. Which makes it less useful on dates.
23:38<wicdtrouble>I have to say that the function keys work with ANY linux - including debian but apart from that, not such a big difference
23:39<Jardi>I'm looking at the thinkpad Edges, does somebody know if they are Debian compatible, or if there are any known problems
23:39<andantino>is there a channel where that question would be more appropriate
23:39<akerl>#ubuntu on freenode?
23:39<ml|>#linux or freenode perhaps
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23:40<andantino>ok thanks akerl and ml
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23:40<wicdtrouble>for what its worth ALL System76 laptops are manufactured by clevo, Maybe you could get a laptop for cheaper from them without any OS
23:41<wicdtrouble>same construction and no branding charges from System76
23:41<wicdtrouble>the construction equals that of Macs btw
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23:41<Jardi>but if I get one with no OS how can I assure it works fine and that I won't have troubles later..
23:42<ml|>wicdtrouble: btw, you should run... lspci -nn | grep -i network and paste the output here
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23:42<wicdtrouble>thanks very much, ml| - doing that now
23:43<wicdtrouble>06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8172] (rev 10)
23:43<ml|>judd: pciid 10ec:8172
23:43<judd>[10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172
23:44<ml|>looks like you need to use a driver from realtek, but read that link
23:45<Tiff>the firmware-realtek package doesn't currently support RTL8191SE as per: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609784
23:45<Tiff>on that report is a link to the driver from realtek
23:45<kop>Jardi: Run a debian-live cd on it.
23:45<kop>Jardi: (Or just install.)
23:46<Jardi>I think I'll stick to the Thinkpad..
23:47<Skullz>Ohai, people.
23:48<wicdtrouble>judd, thanks for that. I think I will try installing the realtek driver from their site if available. Tiff, thanks very much indeed
23:48<Jardi>does any body know if there are any compatibility issues with Debian on Thinkpad Edges series? I guess it will depen of what model I get.
23:49<ml|>Jardi: fwiw, the edge series is not a _real_ thinkpad, imho
23:49<Jardi>Then, what do you suggest?
23:50<Jardi>T series?
23:50<ml|>compare an edge to a T or X series and you will see what I mean
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23:50<Jardi>I already looked at the X series, but they are too small for me..
23:51<Jardi>I want something around the 15" screen
23:51<ml|>then T it is ;)
23:51<Jardi>yeah, that's my other option a bit more expensive thought. Is it worth the money?
23:51<ml|>I own two older X series and work great with debian; one is actually running pfsense
23:52<ml|>yes, every penny!
23:52<Jardi>I read their battery lasts a lot..
23:52<Osiris_X>is it actually possible to run gnome 3 on old hardware? does it run with compiz or in place of compiz?
23:52<ml|>for X series yes
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23:53<ml|>not sure on T series tho
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23:54<Jardi>all right, and the screen for X series is 12" right, I'm used to working with not so small screens.
23:56<wicdtrouble>on ubuntu forums, a bunch of people were having trouble with the same wireless card and according to post #19 in that thread the problem was solved with a bios update and an upgrade of the Linux kernel http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10500411&postcount=19
23:56<ml|>around 12" yes; but the screens are sharp/crisp
23:56<wicdtrouble>Does that mean debian has an outdated kernel?
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23:59<ml|>the debian kernel does not include non-free stuff, so you need firmware-realtek package; but like Tiff said your card is not supported yet, read the bug report Tiff linked
23:59<ml|>wicdtrouble: ^
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