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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-05-14

---Logopened Sat May 14 00:00:23 2011
00:01<wicdtrouble>ml|, I see... so its the non-free status that is preventing debian from including this driver...
00:02<Tiff>No.
00:02<Tiff>The driver does not exist in the upstream kernel.
00:02<Tiff>It was even filed upstream too.
00:02<Tiff>https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29532
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00:05<ml|>if the driver was included in vanilla kernel, it should reside in firmware-realtek package _if_ it is non-free or in future debian kernels _if_ it is or becomes a free driver
00:06<wicdtrouble>Tiff, ml| ah... I see.
00:07<Tiff>Ubuntu's packagers may well have thrown something together to support it, I've no idea about their project.
00:07<wicdtrouble>I guess now I need build essentials to compile that driver from realtek
00:08<ml|>most likely yes
00:08<ml|>have fun/good luck :)
00:08<Tiff>You'll be needing the headers for the stock kernel in stable also.
00:10<wicdtrouble>I read about the debian-women project on today on the debian women channel. Apparently, they are going to be helping all people (regardless of whether they are female or not to help compile stuff). The irony of it will be if I seek help in that channel today, it will be for compiling a non-free package...
00:10<wicdtrouble>Tiff, what is that?
00:10<wicdtrouble>what is the name of that stock kernel header package thing?
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00:12<wicdtrouble>I am getting this error compiling: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
00:13<wicdtrouble>Is that what you meant when you said I needed "the headers for the stock kernel"
00:13<Tiff>This would indeed reflect that.
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00:14<wicdtrouble>Tiff, so what do I do? How do I get this header?
00:14<ml|>wicdtrouble: install linux-headers-2.6-amd64
00:14<wicdtrouble>thanks ml|
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00:14<Vlam>I'm having a lot of trouble mounting my external hard drive on my headless server. I have tried mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /media/external but it gives me utf8 is not a reocmmened IO charset for FAT Filesystems
00:14<ml|>np
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00:16<wicdtrouble>wow those headers are nearly 40 MB
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00:19<wicdtrouble>Vlam, does this help.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483781
00:20<sney>Vlam: that utf8 warning is just a warning, any other messages?
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00:21<Vlam>No there is no other warnings
00:21<Vlam>er messages
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00:22<Vlam>oh everything is in that directory
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00:22<Vlam>i thought mount fialed
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00:23<sney>hooray
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00:25<wicdtrouble>Any idea how to get past these errors in compiling my wireless driver http://paste.debian.net/116926/
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00:44<mekt>How can a file be transferred between 2 hosts, where the transfer is initiated from the sender and the destination may have its IP address changed by the ISP?
00:44<wicdtrouble> No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile'. Stop. I think this is the first line indicating trouble
00:44<wicdtrouble>How can I fix this?
00:46<sney>mekt: how about using dynamic dns to keep track of the recipient
00:46<sney>wicdtrouble: with both the arch headers and common headers installed along with build-essential, that should work, so maybe contact the person who hosts the driver
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00:47<mekt>sney: for that to work, there would need to be some hook to reinitiate dynamic DNS update. Maybe (just maybe) pppd has a hook for that? I'm not sure. And then the recipient would need to tell the sender to reget his IP address from DNS.
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00:48<sney>usually they just do it with cron
00:48<wicdtrouble>what are arch headers, sney
00:48<wicdtrouble>I am not sure I installed them
00:48<sney>wicdtrouble: the headers for your cpu architecture. i.e. 686, amd64, powerpc, etc
00:49<wicdtrouble>how can I check if they are installed?
00:49<mekt>wicdtrouble: if this error means that file is missing, "apt-file find /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/scripts/basic/Makefile"
00:50<mekt>will tell you which package provides it.
00:50<sney>wicdtrouble: aptitude search linux-headers, then look for the ones with a little "i"
00:50<kop>wicdtrouble: (or "aptitude search '~ilinux-headers'")
00:51<sney>fancy pants
00:51<kop>sney: Check out my use of single quotes!
00:52<sney>one of my keyboards can't reliably make a ~ so I tend to forget those tricks
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00:56<wicdtrouble>thank you mekt, sney, kop - Just ran the command kop gave and there were 3 headers http://paste.debian.net/116927/ I tried to install all three and all three are already on my system in their newest version...
00:56<kop>wicdtrouble: The command lists what's installed. If you want everything leave off the ~i.
00:58<kop>wicdtrouble: (And because you no longer have a ~ you can also leave off the sexy single quotes.)
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01:03<wicdtrouble>so kop this is everything http://paste.debian.net/116928/
01:03<wicdtrouble>What do I need? How do I determine that?
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01:06<mzhang>I have debian installed on an external hdd - how can I let windows 7 load the grub at start? I remember I could copy the first 512 bytes, but not sure any more.
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01:07<kop>wicdtrouble: I'm not sure what you're trying to do and my brain is full.
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01:07<kop>mzhang: What do you mean "windows 7 load the grub at start"? You want to boot windows 7 from grub?
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01:09<kop>mzhang: You just want to boot from the external hdd? You do that from your bios boot menu (or some other bios option.)
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01:12<wicdtrouble>kop, I am trying to build/or compile the source of this realtek wireless driver: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=48&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true and I have been getting this errror: http://paste.debian.net/116926 I am trying to get rid of this error. sney suggested that it may be due to some more missing headers (arch headers) - hence the search f
01:12<wicdtrouble>or what headers are not installed on my system
01:12<mzhang>kop: I could boot from external hdd, but it is a pain; I just wonder if there is an easier way.
01:13<mzhang>I did this before so I knew there was, but there was tweak to it...
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01:15<kop>mzhang: You probably want to read the grub info pages (info grub) and install grub onto your hard drive. (You could backup the first few sectors before doing so. Say 4096 bytes.) I forget what you need to do to auto detect and have the menu setup for you. It might be easiest to use your install cd and choose rescue mode and use that to install grub.
01:16<kop>Ah well, he's gone.
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01:35<k1lumin4t1>hi there
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01:35<kenyon>wicdtrouble: you need to install the linux-source-2.6 package and then go to /usr/src and extract linux-source-2.6.32.tar.bz2. that contains the missing Makefile.
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01:36<kenyon>!linux source
01:36<dpkg>To install Debian kernel source (i.e. Linux kernel source with Debian patches), run: aptitude install linux-source-2.6
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01:37<k1lumin4t1>could anybody explain to me why the Gnome menu panel addon tha gathers both the Apps, System (Preferences and Administration) and Places is so slow when openning for first time during a session?
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01:42<jimpop>k1lumin4t1: disk usage. It has to find and open all the icons associated with each menu item
01:43<k1lumin4t1>jimpop, hmm... jimpop but why it doesn't happen when the three menus are separate?
01:44<jimpop>k1lumin4t1: dunno that one
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01:44<dennisthetiger>k1lumin4t1: You mean each time you log in, it repopulates itself or something?
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01:46<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, dunno, that's what I'm asking actually. It's always the first time during a session that this happens
01:46<dennisthetiger>Question here. Installing stable, and found that grub is not liking 'root' - says it doesn't recognize the file system. To note, I typically format /boot as ext2 and / as ext3. What am I missing?
01:46<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, on subsequent ocassions it loads fine
01:47<dennisthetiger>k1lumin4t1: intersting. I'd think it would be more efficient to load it on the virgin login, and have apt just notify something that there's new stuff or something.
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01:47<k1lumin4t1>dondelelcaro, huh?
01:48<k1lumin4t1>sorry
01:48<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, huh?
01:48<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, are we on the same subject?
01:49<dennisthetiger>k1lumin4t1: I think so. Its kind of late, despite the coffee. =)
01:50<dennisthetiger>k1lumin4t1: You're referring to the standard apps menu, sort of equiv to the Windoze start menu, in Gnome right?
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01:50<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, hehe, I'm talking about gnome alternative menu panel addon
01:50<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, yes, that one
01:50<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, the one alternative to the default one
01:50<dennisthetiger>k1lumin4t1: OK, maybe we're *almost* talking about the same thing =) Carry on.
01:51<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, but then you mentioned something about apt
01:51<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, which mislead me
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01:52<dennisthetiger>k1lumin4t1: Oh. Not quite - was referring to jimpop's note about why it does this - it sounds like it's basically sucking in its state on login, based on what he's saying.
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01:52<k1lumin4t1>dennisthetiger, ahh, I see
01:52*dennisthetiger waits for the latest install on this box
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01:54<jerryclunsford>How do you set lenny up to detect a usb joystick when it is hot plugged
01:55<k1lumin4t1>jerryclunsford, how do you know if it's being detected at all?
01:56<jerryclunsford>it works fine when it is plugged in at start up
01:56<jerryclunsford>need to be able to switch usb items
01:56<cahoot>no sign of recognition in dmesg when you plug it in later?
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01:57<jerryclunsford>Perhaps I should re-phrase I need to load the drivers when it is plugged in after starting.
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02:00<jerryclunsford>I just plugged it in and it shows up if I use the command ls -l /dev/input/by-id/ in a terminal
02:00<dennisthetiger>jerryclunsford: Question on that regard. If you plug it in after starting and do 'lsusb', do you see it/
02:00<dennisthetiger>?
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02:01<jerryclunsford>Yes it shows up
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02:01<dennisthetiger>Hm.m....
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02:03<jerryclunsford>It does not give the full name just the manufacturer.
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02:06<dennisthetiger>OK, I just did a reinstall, and the system failed to boot with an Error 17. It's attempting hd2,0,, which should be my first SATA volume. What's going on here?
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02:13<dennisthetiger>Gonna ask later.
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02:58<daniel_>i have a question
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03:01<zeromon>how to check list of held packages after holding packages with aptitude?
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03:05<zeromon>though I set package as hold the status of package seems install with dpkg --get-selections
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05:06<ottoshmidt>why would chromium-browser display a website messy when opened with normal user and display well when opened with root?
05:07<ottoshmidt>I moved config files from ~/.config but same result
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05:35<ottoshmidt>well although configs wasn't the issue but cache was, so clearing cache helped
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05:38<syn-ack>ottoshmidt, Nuke your ~/chromium directory for the affected user and start over.
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05:39<syn-ack>ottoshmidt, could be something incompatible between the old config and the new version of the app although they try their best to make it backword compatible.
05:40<syn-ack>I have to do that occasionally when there's an added feature in my beta tree.
05:40<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, I said that removing config files didn't help
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05:41<ottoshmidt>but then I cleared cache from preferences it get back to working well
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05:41<syn-ack>ah well, I'm sorry for not noticing that right off the bad.
05:41<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, thanks anyway
05:42<syn-ack>I wonder if they changed something in the sqlite backend they're using
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05:42<syn-ack>ottoshmidt, did you delete the whole directory and let Chrome rebuild it or just all the config files?
05:43<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, moved directory to desktop, so let it rebuild the dir
05:43<syn-ack>interesting
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05:44<syn-ack>*usually* it should Just Work after you do something like that
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05:44<syn-ack>which channel of the browser are you using?
05:44<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, tracked down the error by saving qt.nokia.org web page as html file with chromium
05:44<ottoshmidt>with normal user and then with root
05:45<ottoshmidt>and ran diff on those files to find differences
05:45<syn-ack>There really shouldn't be any diff's... nothing major, anyway
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05:46<ottoshmidt>although I am not skillful in this aspect the diff showed that there were differences in .js file names, those names contained "cache" + some numbers+.js so I assumed caching might have been the issue
05:47<syn-ack>very interesting... again which Channel of the browser are you using?
05:47<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, what is channel?
05:47<syn-ack>Stable, Beta, Dev, etc
05:48<syn-ack>like use the "Beta" branch so it's not quite as unstable as the Dev Channel since it's not got all the latest code changes integrated.
05:49<syn-ack>rather, like I use...
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06:04<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, sorrry brb
06:04<syn-ack>No worries
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06:10<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, I am on debian wheezy/sid
06:11<ottoshmidt>and chromium 10.0.648.205 (81283), from sid
06:11<syn-ack>I think that may be a daily
06:11<engywucz>o.O testing and sid mixed?
06:11<syn-ack>engywucz, why would that be so odd?
06:11<ottoshmidt>engywucz, yes
06:11<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, daily what?
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06:12<syn-ack>Testing for the base install and sid for userland
06:12<ottoshmidt>yes
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06:12<syn-ack>ottoshmidt, daily build of Chromium.
06:12<ottoshmidt>ottoshmidt, might be, but works fine
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06:12<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, ^
06:13<ottoshmidt>actually it says: 10.0.648.205 (81283) Built on Debian unstable, running on Debian wheezy/sid
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06:13<syn-ack>engywucz, it takes a bit of hacking and pinning but it can be quite easily. Just a royal PITA to do the initial config.
06:14<Black_Prince>*sigh*
06:14<ottoshmidt>there is nothing to hack about, just add sid repos to sources.list and install those packages you need to be up to date
06:14<Black_Prince>PITA means a pie in my language. So I shout myself laughing when I saw that post
06:14<ottoshmidt>it will eventually end up in mixed
06:15<syn-ack>ottoshmidt, I used to pin everything I needed out of sid to ensure it didn't downgrade it's self
06:15<ottoshmidt>Black_Prince, royal PITA is meant to be tasty I guess :P
06:15<Black_Prince>Yeah, probbably :P
06:15<babilen>ottoshmidt: If you do just that you'll end up tracking sid. If you actually want to track wheezy, but only install selected packages from sid you need to make that explicit via pinning or by setting the default release.
06:15<syn-ack>yep
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06:16<babilen>syn-ack: Downgrades will only happen is a package is pinned to a priority >= 1001 :)
06:16<ottoshmidt>babilen, I change that from preferences in synaptic
06:16<babilen>s/is a/if a
06:16<syn-ack>true.
06:16<ottoshmidt>so currently it's set on unstable
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06:16<syn-ack>Then you're tracking Sid, not wheezy
06:17<ottoshmidt>but I usually upgrade those packages that I am aware of, leaving the rest as it is.. without unneeded experimenting
06:17<ottoshmidt>that's what I like about debian, compared to ubuntu.. where it is meant to upgrade the whole system
06:17<babilen>ottoshmidt: Yeah, synaptic ignores the default release set in /etc/apt/apt.conf and you have to make it explicit in synaptic's configuration too.
06:17<syn-ack>I haven't run a vanilla Debian system in years. heh.
06:18<ottoshmidt>yes
06:18<ottoshmidt>me too
06:18<babilen>Given that you are wheezy/sid users we might just as well continue this chat in #debian-next which is dedicated to users like you :)
06:18<syn-ack>I used to run Debian on my servers and Ubuntu on the desktops but now, I just run Ubuntu on everything
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06:18<ottoshmidt>babilen, never been there
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06:19<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, why on #debian?
06:19<babilen>ottoshmidt: It is a new channel we initiated for wheezy/sid users
06:19<ottoshmidt>good will have in mind
06:19<ottoshmidt>babilen, are you debian dev?
06:19<babilen>ottoshmidt: no
06:20<syn-ack>ottoshmidt, because I can? Not trying to be rude, but that's the only thing I can think of saying
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06:20<syn-ack>alright well, I think I may go back to bed.
06:20<syn-ack>later guys
06:20<babilen>cya
06:20<ottoshmidt>syn-ack, can't get yer point but gn anyway
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06:32<valerio>hi there
06:32<demo>hi there valerio
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06:32<demo>i am on Antix
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06:33<valerio>hi demo
06:34<valerio>can you help me?
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06:41<flor>valerio: just ask
06:41<flor>!ask
06:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:47<pistolpete>when debian boots the messages on my screen are so small that it is hard to read "watch" can this text size be increased, if so where do I need to loo?
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06:48<valerio>I have a problem with resume from ibernate state; I'm running Debian version squeeze. When I try to resume my acer aspire 1810tz It's freeze with the upper left underscore that flashing
06:48<valerio>no problem with normal start restart
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06:55<user>hello
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06:56<Guest858>how does one share files on lubuntu lxde 11.04?
06:57<cthuluh>Guest858: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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07:51<will_>hello
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07:52<will_>i'm trying to write a SD card from my camera but I'm unable to mount the device in read-write mode
07:53<will_>in the messages log the device is write protected
07:53<will_>how can I unlock the protection?
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07:53<will_>I already checked the physical protection
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07:56<flor>will_: if I understood you correctly, you have an SD card in your camera and the camera plugged via usb to the computer ?
07:56<will_>yes
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07:56<flor>most camera I've used doesn't offer the possibility to write to the SD card using the usb cable
07:57<flor>If you want to write to the SD card from you computer you'll need a card reader
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07:58<will_>it worked on XP and with Lenny but I can't remember how I did it :-/
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07:58<Kawk>help please
07:59<Kawk>anyone here?
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07:59<Kawk>I have this Pentium MMX with Sarge 3.1, want to get security updates (at least the ones released until it was discontinued)
07:59<Kawk>in 2008
07:59<Kawk>any help?
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08:00<cahoot>!archives
08:00<dpkg>it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
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08:04<Kawk>thx, anyone knows where the line in apt-get should point that in that archive?
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08:04<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Kawk -about sarge sources.list
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08:06<flor>will_: maybe you have a settings on the camera to choose the usb mode
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08:06<will_>flor: I solved my problem using my camcorder instead
08:06<Kawk>thx very much it's working
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08:07<GeorgeDeLaJungle>Hello, when a package maintainer prepares a debian package, does he store the configure params somewhere?
08:07<will_>it seems the camera doesn't report correctly the state of the SD card
08:08<cahoot>GeorgeDeLaJungle: IIRC debian rules in the src pkg
08:08<lopippo>greetings everybody, I am trying to use the dhelp infrastructure on my wheezy box. When I run dhelp, the www browser cleanly shows me the http://localhost/doc/HTML/index.html page. But when I select any link I am greeted with a Forbidden message
08:08<ansgar>GeorgeDeLaJungle: The source package contains everything to build the package automatically. debian/rules should contain the information you are looking for.
08:08<lopippo>specifically that message is : You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/dhelp_fetcher on this server.
08:08<will_>flor: thanks for your help!
08:08<lopippo>I tried dpkg-reconfigure dhelp, but with no success.
08:09<GeorgeDeLaJungle>cahoot, ansgar: thank you!
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08:10<lopippo>I might have to tweak the apache2 configuration, but I do not know where to start. Any help, please ?
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08:15<Parsifal>lopippo: Do you have a ScriptAlias directive in your apache configuration anywhere? (cd /etc/apache2/ && grep -ri scriptalias *)
08:16<lopippo>Parsifal: looks like yes, output contains a number of such lines : sites-available/default: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
08:16<Parsifal>Hmm, and does /usr/lib/cgi-bin/dhelp_fetcher exist and is it executable?
08:17<Parsifal>lopippo: Also, does that ScriptAlias line exist in the particular config file for the dhelp site?
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08:19<svndsn>how do i tell what resolutions i want without xorg.conf?
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08:19<cahoot>try xrandr
08:20<cahoot>but if you want persistance I guess you need an xorg.conf
08:20<svndsn>and if highest resolution is lower than screen?
08:21<cahoot>hmm - rephrase?
08:22<svndsn>i'm getting max res 1400x1050 and my monitor is 1080p
08:22<cahoot>you mean the autodetected mode isn't up to the expected reso?
08:22<svndsn>trying to increase res
08:22<svndsn>looks like it
08:22<cahoot>might need a modeline for that
08:23<svndsn>modeline where?
08:24<Osiris_X>does anyone know if seahorse-plugins will be upgraded to 3.0 in wheezy?
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08:27<cahoot>svndsn: I believe gtf can be used to create a modeline that can be tested with xrandr and - if working - later put into an xorg.conf
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08:27<will_>svndsn: man cvt or man gtf
08:28<will_>man xorg.conf
08:28<will_>you may add your custom resolution
08:28<Parsifal>Osiris_X: 3.0 doesn't appear to be in sid yet, but if it's packaged sometime within the next year and a half, it probably will go into wheezy.
08:29<will_>but it will only work if the driver support it
08:29<Osiris_X>ok I guess in the mean time I need to put the gnome-keyring stuff on hold
08:30<no_face>Any ATI users here able to help me with a little issue i'm having
08:31<Parsifal>!anyone
08:31<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
08:31<lopippo>Parsifal: sorry, had to leave for a minute, gonna check this
08:33<no_face>okay, i'm an ubuntu user 10.4 and a user of ATI 4870. downloaded and mad a deb from the AMD website, installed it, but can't test it with fglxinfo (not installed apparently) and now my xorg.conf is missing too
08:33<ansgar>!ubuntu
08:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:33<no_face>where do i go from here
08:34<no_face>damn bots
08:34<lopippo>Parsifal: I indeed have the conf.d/dhelp.conf file, but I can't seem to locate any such directive: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
08:35<seeS>that line is usually in the main file or a virtual host file
08:36<Parsifal>lopippo: Okay, try adding it to that file within the <VirtualHost> tags
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08:36<Parsifal>lopippo: Also check that /usr/lib/cgi-bin/dhelp_fetcher exists
08:37<Parsifal>lopippo: Don't forget to reload apache (/etc/init.d/apache2 graceful) after modifying the config
08:37<svndsn>no_face: just go to an ubuntu channel like the bot says
08:37<lopippo>Parsifal: the /usr/lib/cgi-bin/dhelp_fetcher file is there, great I'll try the mod, and tell you, thanks a lot
08:37<no_face>already in it... lots of unhelpful nvidia users
08:39<svndsn>no-face: xorg.conf is not used in new version of Xorg
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08:39<svndsn>no_face: its (n)autodetect
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08:39<no_face>awesome did you chaps make that?
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08:41<Guest864>where can i ask for help with broken kde desktop on testing?
08:42<towo`>in #debian-next?
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08:54<lopippo>Parsifal: All I had to do is add "Alias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/" as the first line in dhelp.conf and then invoke-rc.d apache2 restart.Thanks again. Ciao !
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08:55<Osiris_X>has the ability to patch a kernel during kernel build with make-kpkg been removed?
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08:56<Parsifal>lopippo: If you've added it outside the virtualhost tags, it may affect sites other than the one you want it to. Just a heads up, in case you have other sites on that machine.
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08:59<grove>I finally found time to reinstall squeeze on the machine I talked about wednesday. The only thing I did different was to not choose to install "graphical desktop environment" from the installer, then after reboot I could install linux-base fro backports, reboot (mostly to know that wasn't in some extremely strange way responsible if it went like wednesday), install linux-image-2.6.38 from backports, run 'grub-install /dev/sda' (shouldn't be needed, but couldn't
09:00<SynrG>truncated at "but couldn't"
09:00<grove>(I was about to ask, got to learn to write shorter lines on IRC)
09:01<grove>... , but couldn't hurt), and unlike on wednesday the machine can still boot. - I sure wonder what happened wednesday
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09:02<SynrG>grove: mkdir -p ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ ; cd ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ ; ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl
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09:03<SynrG>grove: since i wasn't following along on wednesday, i couldn't say :)
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09:03<grove>And now to a question... As I now have network on that machine (that intel chip was one of the reasons I needed a newer kernel), is there some program to add network mirrors to sources.list, or will I have to copy the lines from somewhere?
09:03<grove>SynrG: I didn't know that irssi plugin, will try it soon, thank you
09:04<Habbie>why are /dev/random and /dev/urandom rw-rw-rw and not rw-r--r-- ?
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09:05<Z30>hi
09:05<Z30>i have some problem in bochs
09:05<SynrG>grove: i would normally juse use a text editor to add to sources.list. why? it doesn't strike me as particularly hard ...
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09:05<Z30>any one use bochs?
09:05<SynrG>synaptic has an option to update sources.list, i guess.
09:06<Parsifal>!anyone
09:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
09:06<Parsifal>Z30: ^^^
09:07<SynrG>bochs? how strange. what advantage does it have over qemu?
09:07<Z30>i install it but i cant simulate any thing
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09:08<Z30>This Error :
09:08<Z30>00000000000i[ ] LTDL_LIBRARY_PATH not set. using compile time default '/usr/lib/bochs/plugins'
09:08<Z30>00000000000i[ ] BXSHARE not set. using compile time default '/usr/share/bochs'
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09:08<Z30>and when i simulate i see blank window!
09:08<Z30>help me!
09:09<grove>SynrG: I know it's not hard to edit sources.list, but I'm lazy, so I just wondered if I could just mount the installation cd and run some script, and be asked like during a normal net install
09:09<Z30>i install it on ubuntu
09:10<Parsifal>!ubuntu
09:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:10<Z30>and there is no error in there!
09:10<Parsifal>Ah, you're using it on Debian now?
09:10<Z30>no
09:10<grove>Isn't bochs pretty much dead
09:10<Z30>in ubuntu any one cant answer it
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09:11<Parsifal>Z30: That doesn't make it on topic here. Try the Ubuntu forums or something.
09:11<Z30>thanks
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09:13<zeropiel>how do i check active graphics driver
09:14<zeropiel>what graphics driver is active i mean
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09:15<Parsifal>zeropiel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you, there may be a cleaner way that I'm not aware of though
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09:21<SynrG>hmm:
09:21<SynrG>$ xdriinfo driver 0
09:21<SynrG>i915
09:21<SynrG>not exactly the same thing :)
09:21<SynrG>but interesting
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09:45<cg_>kalimeraaaa
09:46<cg_>if anyone needs help on Debianised systems ask away, you've got 10 minutes...
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09:47<cg_>!beer dpkg
09:47*dpkg pulls out a tasty Spaten Pils for dpkg
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09:48<ComradeHaz`>lol cg_now there's an offer!
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09:48<ComradeHaz`>How about some help on grub2 not managing to boot from a boot partition on an lvm?
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09:54<Parsifal>ComradeHaz`: You may need to use "insmod lvm" or similar, though I have little (read: no) experience booting from LVM
09:54<cg_>!tell ComradeHaz` about grub2
09:54<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: how does it fail?
09:54<ComradeHaz`>cg_: this should be grub2
09:55<ComradeHaz`>nevyn: drops to a grub rescue>
09:55<ComradeHaz`>ls only shows physical volumes
09:55<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: did you build a custom kernel.
09:55<ComradeHaz`>lsmod gives unknwn command, which surprises me
09:55<ComradeHaz`>no, nevyn, this a fresh instll
09:56<cg_>ComradeHaz`, you got a stable debian installation?
09:56<cg_>use the pastebin to avoid clutter please...
09:56<cg_>read first about grub2
09:56<ComradeHaz`>I tried that first, stable x64, but when that failed like this I thought I'd try unstable, as I have another machine running unstable on which it boots successfully..
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09:57<cg_>there you go...
09:57<Parsifal>ComradeHaz`: Looking in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/, there is indeed a module called lvm
09:57<cg_>unstable means trouble... on my amd64 I use stable...
09:57<akerl>It's like people don't actually consider what "unstable" means before slapping that install button
09:57<ComradeHaz`>cg, read what I said again
09:57<ComradeHaz`>akerl: you too.
09:58<cg_>did you read the grub2 wikis etc?
09:58<akerl>ComradeHaz`: Except now we're not troubleshooting stable...
09:58<akerl>You wiped that and are now asking us to troubleshoot unstable.
09:58<ComradeHaz`>Fair enough, akerl, I will reinstall stable.
09:58<cg_>I WON'T troubleshoot unstable, it has no meaning, squeeze is new...
09:59<cg_>now... you need to read about grub2 and LVM first, it's easy but it takes some reading man
09:59<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: so it's failing to find the second stage grub this would indicate to me that it can't read the grubroot.
10:00<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: I put /boot on a seperate partition for this reason.
10:00<ComradeHaz`>Yeah, well, I believe there's an optional package for grub that contains the appropriate stuff that probably doesn't get installed by trhe installer
10:01<ComradeHaz`>nevyn: I know, but i SHOULD work now.
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10:01<nevyn>ComradeHaz`: it's supposed to work yes.
10:01<nevyn>but it doesn't
10:02<nevyn>just like there's no support for write barriers on lvm stuff.
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10:05<ComradeHaz`>Well I want it to work and am prepared to put in the effort such that it does :)
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10:26<angasule>chromium crashed, and it failed to restore all the open websites. what a PoS.
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10:26<Nik05>hello guys i have a question about the pure console debian (without X)
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10:27<Nik05>in stalled debian on another computer and deselected the graphical dekstop in tasksel
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10:27<Nik05>how do i get the console at the right resolution and do i need nvidia drivers for that?
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10:36<cahoot>what's the 'right' resolution?
10:37<grove>He probably wants the screen's native resolution
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10:38<Nik05>yes
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10:39<Nik05>the native resolution, how can i do that? :P
10:39<Nik05>cause the console is now in the upper-left quarter and the rest is empty and not used
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10:42<grove>Nik05: I've never payed any interest in how console-resolution was set, but I think you just need the right driver
10:42<Nik05>ooh ok
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10:45<Nik05>i got this card in my old PC GeForce FX 5700 Ultra should i just install nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms?
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10:46<Nik05>this is what the dpkg bot is saying... "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
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10:47<Nik05>but im not sure if i need to do that if i only have a console on that PC
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10:48<cahoot>Nik05: cat /proc/cmdline - any vga option set?
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10:50<Nik05>brb trying that
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10:51<Nik05>cahoot no vga options there
10:51<ComradeHaz`>OK, fresh stables x64 install. /boot and / on lvm on raid1. grub drops to rescue prompts. insmod lvm throws file not found. Can anyone help, please?
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10:54<Nik05>cahoot, grove should i try this http://blog.samat.org/2010/11/09/High-resolution-text-console-with-uvesafb-and-Debian ?
10:54<cahoot>Nik05: long time since I messed with this but I think you want to use a framebuffer to get a high resolution in console
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10:56<sney>Nik05: since you're using the proprietary nvidia driver, to get high res in console the easiest way would be to use a vga mode or gfxpayload
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10:58<Nik05>sney i havent installed nvidia drivers yet
10:58<sney>Nik05: ok, but you're going to use them, right?
10:58<Nik05>i dont know, im not sure what to do
10:59<kenoby>I'm updating squeeze to weezy. Should I answer yes to this or am I going to break my system please? :
10:59<kenoby>http://pastebin.com/BzXPZSmq
10:59<Nik05>lol kenoby
10:59<kenoby>eh
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11:00<sney>kde does need to fully replace itself, you might lose kde but it'll be fixable
11:00<Nik05>its thats more an uninstallation then an upgrade
11:00<craigevil>let it remove kde then reinstall the version of kde in wheezy
11:00<kenoby>so I'll just aptitude install kde after that?
11:01<Nik05>ok sney if i use the prop drivers (just use aptitude install nvidia-dkms-173xx ?) what should i do?
11:01<sney>yeah, or any of the other install kde options. I think the standard metapackage is kde-plasma-desktop
11:02<kenoby>ok sney thanks, going to try, Adieu cruel world
11:02<Parsifal>kenoby: You could also try aptitude full-upgrade ~o_
11:02<Nik05>sney brb something urgent
11:02<sney>Nik05: well, what I did on my desktop with a nvidia gpu, is use vga=775 and ignore the grub warning about it being deprecated. it still works. and gfxpayload isn't well documented, yet
11:03<kenoby>Parsifal, that's exacltly what i was doing
11:03<Parsifal>I mean with ~o_ on the end
11:03<kenoby>never heard of ~o at the end
11:03<Parsifal>Which will tell aptitude to purge obsolete packages, they might be causing dependency problems
11:03<kenoby>oh, ok thanks
11:03<Parsifal>~o means obsolete packages, _ means purge (which I think works along with full-upgrade)
11:04<kenoby>ok, I'll try, hope to be back in a month ;)
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11:05<kenoby>how do I produce the ~ symbol from console please?
11:05<kenoby>I mean without copying it
11:05<sney>it's usually shift+` on a us keyboard
11:05<sney>over to the left of the 1
11:06<sney>sometimes laptops put it in a weird place
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11:06<kenoby>hmm
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11:07<kenoby>found it thanks
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11:08<kenoby>going to console mode, then rebooting into oblivion
11:09<kenoby>wish me l
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11:14<Nik05>ok sney vga=775, and where do i need to put that?
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11:23<sney>Nik05: in /etc/default/grub, after quiet in GRUB_COMMANDLINE_LINUX
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11:24<sney>Nik05: not necessarily 775 thoguh, that's the one for 1280x1024. you should look up the one for your resolution if it's different
11:24<Nik05>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX or GRUB_CMDLINE_DEFAULT_LINUX?
11:25<Nik05>quite is after the default one
11:25<sney>it doesn't actually matter iirc, but put it after quiet just to be sure
11:25<Nik05>ok
11:25<sney>and when you're done run update-grub
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11:25<Nik05>so "quite vga=775"
11:26<sney>quiet yeah
11:26<Nik05>775 is for 8 bit is that correct or should i user 16 or 24bit?
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11:26<Nik05>8 bit it probably faster...
11:26<sney>for console it doesn't matter much, your choice
11:26<Nik05>it=is
11:27<Nik05>ok thanks sney and should i also install the prop drivers or the "debian-way"?
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11:27<sney>the debian way, DEFINITELY. the .run file from nvidia can break X easily
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11:28<Nik05>sney isnt X for gnome etc or is the console also using it?
11:28<sney>yeah X is your gui
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11:29<valerio>[12:48] <valerio> I have a problem with resume from ibernate state; I'm running Debian version squeeze. When I try to resume my acer aspire 1810tz It's freeze with the upper left underscore that flashing
11:29<valerio>[12:48] <valerio> no problem with normal start restart
11:29<Nik05>i dont have X.... sney :p
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11:29<sney>Nik05: ok, then why were you asking about the nvidia proprietary driver?
11:30<Nik05>euh for the console...
11:30<sney>it has nothing to do with that
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11:30<Nik05>ooh
11:30<sney>valerio: how long did you wait?
11:31<valerio>what?
11:31<sney>how long did you give the system to come back from hibernate?
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11:32<sney>when you hibernate, it writes all of the ram to disk. when you resume, it puts that exact data back into ram. while it's doing that, it blinks an underscore in the top left. sometimes it takes a while, especially if there was a lot of information or the computer is older
11:33<nevyn>hrm
11:33<valerio>a lot, but sometime it works,sometime it freeze for mintutes..
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11:35<valerio>after that i've to deep reset it
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11:38<sney>valerio: next time you try, and you think it's frozen, just wait a while longer
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11:39<kenoby>weeee, I'm on weezy now!
11:39<kenoby>or I think so
11:41<kenoby>anyone else experiencing multiple desktops disappearing between reboots?
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11:42<ankit>i have a xserver running on ctrl-alt-f9,how do i kill it?
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11:44<valerio>sney: there is a log file or something like that, that i can read for error?
11:45<kenoby>going to reboot again
11:45<ankit>anyone?
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11:48<dennisthetiger>ankit: Curious, why not leave it there?
11:48<ankit>i have 2 of them running,the f9 one i use for games
11:48<dennisthetiger>ankit: Are either one of them logged in? If so, which?
11:48<ankit>but,once i quit any game,it does not work
11:49<ankit>i am logged in both
11:49<ankit>f7 and f9
11:49<dennisthetiger>ankit: And if it "doesn't work", I presume that means "does not respond to hails"? (as opposed to "sits on the couch all day eating all of your food" =) )
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11:50<ankit>the f9 one displays only a mouse pointer
11:50<ankit>and the pointer does not even move
11:50<dennisthetiger>ankit: ...veeerrrrrry interesting. But not funny. What happens if you Ctl-Alt-Bksp that one?
11:51<ankit>i tried that but does not work
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11:51<dennisthetiger>...oh, fsck, no WONDER I exploded the first install of my new box. I installed Lenny and just did aptitude safe-upgrade.... FFS....
11:51<dennisthetiger>ankit: Best I have beyond that is to restart the dm.
11:52<dennisthetiger>I'm hoping that there's another idea. Are you running wine or crossover or something?
11:52<dennisthetiger>Also, people will need a version of what you're running 'uname -a', all of it.
11:52<dennisthetiger>!pal me
11:52*dpkg points at dennisthetiger and laughs
11:52<ankit>no,i am playing urban terror on it
11:53<ankit>but everytime i use to reboot
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11:53<ankit>i was just wondering if any way is there to kill it rather than reboot
11:53<dennisthetiger>ankit: Hey, question, what version of Debian are you running?
11:54<ankit>squeeze
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11:54<dennisthetiger>Just checking. Do me a 'uname -a', please?
11:54<ankit>k
11:55<ankit>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue May 3 16:13:22 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
11:55<dennisthetiger>Huh. Latest greatest.
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11:55<dennisthetiger>ankit: I'd say wait an hour or so, then re-ask the question. The more knowledgable of us may still be in bed, sleeping in. =D
11:56<ankit>ok :D
11:56<dennisthetiger>As for me, I wish I could help, but last I had multiple terminals, it was no problems - but this was years ago, it was largely for multi-login for my ex wife and I, and I don't tend toward video games.
11:57<ankit>i use another coz it gives me 20-25 fps more
11:58<ankit>some performance increment :/
11:58<kenoby>anyone else experiencing disappearing multiple desktops? Every time I reboot I need to set them again. I don't reboot much anyway
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12:00<ankit>ubuntu?
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12:02<dennisthetiger>damn, lots of stuff in this backup that I gotta clean up....
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12:09<ankit>ok solved,i killed Mr.X
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12:12<dennisthetiger>ankit: I'm curious, what'd you do?
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12:12<ankit>ps -e
12:13<ankit>gave me the pid of that tty
12:13<ankit>and then i killed it
12:13<dennisthetiger>ankit: Occam's razor for the win. Literally had to 'kill' it. =)
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12:13<ankit>:)
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12:13*dennisthetiger looks at the man page for a second...
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12:14<dennisthetiger>Oh, darn it! there isn't a SIGFIRE in kill! So I can't kill something with fire, short of -9.
12:15*dennisthetiger starts getting ideas for an AFD patch...
12:15<dennisthetiger>meh, off to class.
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12:18<jhutchins_lt>ankit: You can enable ctrl-alt-backspace, but you should be able to end the session.
12:19<ankit>how do i enable,it seems they have removed it
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12:20<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ankit -about dontzap
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12:21<ankit>gsimmons, thanks
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12:45<juser>When will lenny get a security update for Debian Security Advisory DSA-2228-1? The advicory email sent 1 may said "For the oldstable distribution (lenny), this problem will be fixed soon
12:45<juser>with updated packages of the xulrunner source package."
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12:54<jhutchins_lt>juser: soon.
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12:57<juser>jhutchins_lt: Excellent.
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13:00<jhutchins_lt>Squeeze's CWP weather applet appears to have failed.
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13:01<juser>After the thread "World writable pid and lock files." on debian-security email list recently, I noticed that /var/run/acpid.socket is world writable. Is this also a security issue or is this file supposed to be world writable?
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13:05<lapfrog>juser: you're asking about something on a mailing list on the irc channel? why don't you just ask on the mailing list?
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13:11<juser>lapfrog: Because I guess sending to the mailing list will make spammers pick up the email adress and generate tons of spam, and I don't have an email account setup that I don't care about if it gets totally flooded with spam. (Yes, the sollution to that problem is either spam filters or to setup a "spam" email account.)
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13:12<tharkun>juser: is setting up a google disposable account that big an isue?
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13:13<jhutchins_lt>juser: Your theoretical scenario indicates a lack of actual experience using maiing lists.
13:14<juser>tharkun: I guess not. At the moment, I shouldn't use iceweasel for it though ;)
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13:16<juser>jhutchins_lt: That is true, I do not have much experience with mailing lists. It seemed plausible that there are bots regularly collecting email adresses from public mailing lists for sending spam to.
13:17<jhutchins_lt>juser: In reality it's not much of a problem.
13:17*geordie tries to imagine debian without debian-user
13:17<juser>jhutchins_lt: That's good to hear.
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13:22<root__>backtrack5 can be supported in bt4
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13:23<viajero>A query: Q distro I recommend to schedule .... I had thought Debian6, LMDE.
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13:27<MrMind>Hi, does anyone know which video driver in mplayer that works best with a intel gma 3150?
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13:44<chealer>jhutchins_lt: what are you saying, that spammers don't crawl addresses from mailing lists?
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13:44<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Not saying they don't, just saying that signing up for a debian list is not necessarily going to flood your inbox with spam.
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13:47<chealer>jhutchins_lt: subscribing won't, but posting will surely disclose your adress, which will pollute your inbox. it may not flood if you have good spam filtering.
13:48<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Not at all in my experience. People are way too paranoid.
13:48<jhutchins_lt>chealer: Of course, it depends on the list. Post to a commercial gaming list and you WILL get spammed.
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13:51<ArisVer>Hello, how can i choose my sound card instead of on board sound?
13:51<viajero>A query: Q distro I recommend to schedule .... I had thought Debian6, LMDE.
13:51<chealer>it's not paranoid, it is a good idea to keep your address private if you can afford to, to avoid spam
13:51<chealer>viajero: what is your native language?
13:51<sney>viajero: I don't understand your question, but LMDE is *not* debian, no matter how much Mint says it is
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13:52<viajero>LMDE is Linux Mint Debian!
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13:52<chealer>ArisVer: which desktop environment do you use?
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13:52<sney>it's a derivative. if you want help with mint you have to ask in the Mint forums and irc.
13:52<ArisVer>gdm3
13:52<sney>If you want help here, you have to actually use Debian, from www.debian.org
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13:53<samuellt>hola
13:53<viajero>hola!
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13:54<chealer>juser: perhaps sooner if you file a bug report.
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13:55*weedeater64 agrees with jhutchins_lt , depends on who you give address to, where you sign up..
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13:56<weedeater64>lists.debian, local lug, not a problem.
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13:57<samuellt>que royo
13:57<viajero>Any ideas that may lead?
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13:58<sney>viajero: what is your question?
13:58<chealer>viajero: is Spanish your native language?
13:58<viajero>YES!
13:58<chealer>!tell viajero about es
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13:58<sney>I guess "based on debian" will probably make more sense to him there
13:59<chealer>viajero: you may have more success on the Spanish channel.
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14:01<viajero>In debian-is no answer ... :-(
14:02<viajero>I have a netbook and want to install Linux. I'm looking for a distro useful for creating software. And I thought that you can help me to choose ... because debian is my first choice.
14:02<jhutchins_lt>viajero: Be patient.
14:02<samuellt>how many years you have yo 11
14:02<sney>!tell viajero about install debian
14:02<viajero>In english is better!
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14:02<sney>viajero: what netbook? eeepc?
14:02<jhutchins_lt>!lmde
14:02<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
14:02<sney>jhutchins_lt: he's not using anything yet!
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14:03<samuellt>ok
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14:03<samuellt>i get bored
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14:03<viajero>Jhutchins! "#linuxmint-help"
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14:04<jhutchins_lt>viajero: Notice it's on a different server.
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14:05<sney>viajero: check your messages from dpkg, ignore the linux mint
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14:06<viajero>ok!
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14:09<zeropiel>is VESA a wrapper for graphics drivers in Xorg?
14:10<ompaul>it is the minimum driver
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14:10<ompaul>it used to be high end about 25 years ago iirc
14:11<zeropiel>so its a fallback when autodetect fails?
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14:11<sney>basically
14:11<viajero>thanks people! Any problem i come back with questions! Bye!
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14:12<weedeater64>!beer *
14:12*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for *
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14:13<chealer>zeropiel: vesa is an X video driver.
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14:14<zeropiel>basically i should not base my desktop on vesa?
14:14<sney>not if you can help it. it'll give you basic 2d functionality but it's all in software.
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14:15<ompaul>zeropiel: it depends on what you want, and your machine should in a modern install work out a better driver if available
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14:15<sney>and even if a better driver doesn't work, there's still fbdev which is an improvement over vesa
14:15<zeropiel>trying to set up a media pc. The cheap gfx card was to new for the drivers
14:16<zeropiel>i've tried to install opensource drivers, running kernel 2.6 38 just for that reason
14:16<will_>zeropiel: VESA driver is the most portable driver for 2d display without any acceleration
14:16<weedeater64>!fbdev
14:17<zeropiel>any way i can get vesa to run 1920x1080?
14:18<sney>it's not out of the question but it would probably look like ass
14:18<sney>and be really slow
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14:18<grove>Probably not, widescreen weren't invented when vesa was hot
14:18<zeropiel>well, i'm running 1400x1050 stretched. cant be worse than that
14:18<will_>iirc you can set any resolution if your graphic card is vesa 2.0 compliant
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14:19<chealer>is kdesu working for anyone under testing? it doesn't open the program I want to run anymore here.
14:19<will_>if not you can only use a set of predefined resolution
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14:20<will_>upto 1280x1024
14:20<sney>chealer: surely I don't need to tell you about !anyone... also, #debian-kde would probably know
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14:21<chealer>!anyone
14:21<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:22<chealer>sney: I'm not asking if anyone uses it or knows about it, I'm asking if it's working for anyone.
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14:23<winsen>hello everybody
14:23<will_>zeropiel: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions
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14:30<starcheck3>hello all.
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14:31<dvs>hellooooooo newman!
14:32<starcheck3>I need some help if anyone is willing? I am new to linux, i have a dell mini 10 (not 10v) and trying to get my video to properly work/load on Ubuntu 11.04
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14:32<dvs>!ubuntu
14:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:33<ArisVer>join ubuntu
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14:34<zeropiel>I'm trying to use the fglrx driver. Running 2.6.38. How do i make sure that the correct versjon is installed?
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14:34<zeropiel>i know its not working atm. 2D and 3D acceleration is disabled
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14:34<zeropiel>vesa was faster
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14:36<dvs>zeropiel: Unless you have a really new video card, why are you using fglrx?
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14:38<zeropiel>radeon 6450. trying to get it to work a few days
14:38<LotR>speaking of video cards.. what should I look for when I want free drivers? and do any of those support more than one monitor?
14:39<dvs>zeropiel: The kernel in squeeze-backports and the firmware-linux-nonfree should work.
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14:40<zeropiel>well, i'm probably doing it wrong then. what package should work for my card. If you could please guide me a bit?
14:40<zeropiel>ATI Technologies Inc NI Caicos [AMD RADEON HD 6450]
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14:40<dvs>!tell zeropiel about backports
14:40<chealer>LotR: yes. could you clarify your question%
14:41<chealer>zeropiel: version of what?
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14:41<dvs>zeropiel: Use the linux-image-2.6-$(arch) and firmware-linux-nonfree packages from backports
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14:41<will_>zeropiel: are you on laptop?
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14:42<LotR>chealer: I'm looking into getting a new system, and I want it to have two screens. I'm really out of touch with the hardware market, so I'm wondering what my best options are video-card wise when I prefer free drivers
14:42<zeropiel>will: no normal box
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14:43<zeropiel>will: no, a normal box
14:43<juser>chealer: Might be worth a try.
14:43<LotR>laptops are normal! ;)
14:43<chealer>LotR: if you only consider Intel, NVIDIA and ATI, 1. Intel, 2. ATI, 3. NVIDIA.
14:44<will_>he would say on desktop i guess ;-)
14:44<zeropiel>lotr: this is painful enough without being made fun of ;)
14:44<chealer>NVIDIA being much worst than ATI, which is much worst than Intel
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14:44<zeropiel>desktop on the floor of my living room: what would you call that?
14:45<LotR>chealer: does intel sell seperate video cards? or do I need to get an intel motherboard? and how common is it for on-board video to be able to drive two screens?
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14:46<will_>chealer: nVidia proprietary drivers are not as bad as AMD but it's proprietary for both
14:46<chealer>LotR: no, you'd need a motherboard. it's ubiquitous
14:46<grove>Anybody who knows what the problem might be, when glxinfo reports "Unrecognized deviceID 102"?
14:46<zeropiel>dvs: uname -r 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
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14:47<will_>at least for the latest graphic cards
14:47<dvs>zeropiel: yeah, and the firmware-linux-nonfree package?
14:47<LotR>chealer: thanks for your help
14:48<LotR>I'd been trying to look for motherboards with intel video, but I can't seem to find a site that lets you specify such a feature and then gives all available mobos
14:49<zeropiel>dvs: firmware-linux-nonfree_0.29_all.deb
14:49<dvs>yeah
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14:49<dvs>,version firmware-linux-nonfree
14:50<zeropiel>how do i get dpkg to tell me version installed?
14:50<dvs>zeroedout: dpkg -l
14:50<towo`>dpkg -l package
14:50<dpkg>No packages found matching package
14:50<dvs>heh
14:50<towo`>or apt-cache policy package
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14:51<zeropiel>0.29 it says. downloaded from sid
14:51<will_>LotR: look at www.idealo.co.uk there's a useful filter
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14:51<dvs>zeropiel: which should be fine. Now, a reboot should activate it
14:51<zeropiel>0.29 seems like a low number
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14:52<LotR>will_: ah, cool. thanks
14:52<zeropiel>er, been trying to fiddle with it for so long that i've rebooted plenty
14:52<zeropiel>running fglrx drivers atm. are they conflicting with opensource drivers?
14:53<dvs>zeropiel: probably
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14:53<zeropiel>to completely remove fglrx from machine i have to remove from kernel as well?
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14:54<dvs>zeropiel: Well, it has to be blacklisted at the very least.
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14:56<zeropiel>dvs there is a blacklist-fglrx.conf that blacklists radeon. leave that in place and plaglist fglrx?
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14:57<chealer>zeropiel: it conflicts with radeon at least
14:57<chealer>zeropiel: I recommend you completely remove fglrx and reboot to use radeon
14:58<dvs>seconded
14:58<zeropiel>just add blacklist fglrx in blacklist.conf?
14:58<chealer>zeropiel: that won't be needed if you uninstall fglrx
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14:59<zeropiel>chealer: i did a apt-get purge on fglrx
14:59<dvs>zeropiel: and blacklist-fglrx.conf still exists?
14:59<chealer>zeropiel: if you purged fglrx, there is no need to blacklist it
15:00<zeropiel>dpkg -S fglrx fglrx-atieventsd
15:00<dpkg>There is no record of a fglrx fglrx-atieventsd package
15:01<zeropiel>oh, unblacklist radeon and reboot?
15:01<chealer>LotR: several Nehalem PC are sold with 2 GPU-s, one integrated in the CPU and one on the motherboard. I have a Radeon and an Intel card, unfortunately I can't use the Intel card.
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15:02<dvs>zeropiel: yes
15:02<chealer>if I could, I would. maybe it's a BIOS thing
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15:06<GeorgeDeLaJungle>Hi all, I have built a variation of a package (a light version of pidgin, w/o gstreamer/avahi) that may be usefull for other people too. Can I publish it somewhere (alioth?)?
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15:09<sney>GeorgeDeLaJungle: that sounds useful, Debian doesn't have any PPA-alike structure but maybe it could go into main? talk to the pidgin maintainer
15:09<sney>#debian-mentors also has packaging/publishing resources
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15:10<nick>nick: zerot
15:10<GeorgeDeLaJungle>sney: Thank you sney
15:11<sney>np
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15:12<tin-kidneys>Hey folks. If i wanted to keep my system up to date (security wise) using apt from the command line, would i run "apt-get update" and that's it?
15:12<daemonkeeper>GeorgeDeLaJungle: FWIW Alioth is an appropriate place to ask, if you need a public VCS to synchronize
15:12<jhujhiti>tin-kidneys: update/upgrade
15:12<tin-kidneys>either/or?
15:12<daemonkeeper>GeorgeDeLaJungle: Note, Alioth all alone won't help you, as it is a hosting facility only.
15:12<jhujhiti>tin-kidneys: both. update pulls new version information down, upgrade upgrades the packages
15:12<nick>Hey
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15:13<tin-kidneys>Ok, thank you.
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15:14<chealer>tin-kidneys: which Debian suite do you use?
15:14<GeorgeDeLaJungle>daemonkeeper: yes, I also need a place to publish the package. I'll talk to the maintainer as it seems there is a bug report that asks for a pidgin-light version, so maybe he'll like the idea :)
15:14<tin-kidneys>chealer: Wheezy
15:14<daemonkeeper>GeorgeDeLaJungle: mentors.debian.net
15:14<grove>tin-kidneys: I would recommend 'aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade', but if you're on stable it shouldn't matter
15:15<tin-kidneys>grove: thanks for the info.
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15:15<weedeater64>tin-kidneys: Thank you for reminder.
15:15<daemonkeeper>GeorgeDeLaJungle: You are right thought, better talk to the pidgin maintainer first.
15:15<daemonkeeper>*though
15:15<chealer>grove: you need at least update to update package indices, and dist-upgrade to perform the real upgrade.
15:16<ZykoticK9>tin-kidneys, with apt-get you'd use "apt-get update" to update the DB then "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" -- but the "aptitude update" then "aptitude safe-upgrade" really is the way to go
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15:16<chealer>grove: sorry
15:16<chealer>tin-kidneys: you need at least update to update package indices, and dist-upgrade to perform the real upgrade.
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15:17<GeorgeDeLaJungle>daemonkeeper: In any case mentors.debian.net seems nice.
15:17<daemonkeeper>GeorgeDeLaJungle: For the big picture, please read http://wiki.debian.org/SponsoredMaintainer
15:18<daemonkeeper>And don't hesitate to ask in #debian-mentors
15:18<GeorgeDeLaJungle>daemonkeeper: great, thank you :)
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15:34<edu>hola
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15:35<samuellt>hello
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15:35<samuellt>hola
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15:36<samuellt>hay alguienn
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15:36<samuellt>bye
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15:54*kurohige BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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16:04<BlouBlou>Anyone knows how to get nvidia driver working? it's reporting this "it's installed but not being used"
16:04<BlouBlou>or not currently in use, don't remember now, but it seems, as error says, it's installed, but doesn't work. so I can't use compiz, or any game
16:05<sney>BlouBlou: how did you install it?
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16:06<BlouBlou>sney: by "additional drivers"
16:07<sney>what debian version?
16:07<towo`>additional drivers?, sounds like ubuntu
16:07<codingenesis>can anyone tell me from where i can get materials and resource for designing processors for mobile phones
16:08<BlouBlou>sney: sqeeeze
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16:08<sney>codingenesis: a lot of university ECE programs put their course materials up online, that's where I'd look.
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16:08<BlouBlou>towo`: well, it isn't
16:09<ZykoticK9>BlouBlou, "sqeeze" doesn't have "additional drivers" that's an Ubuntu thing
16:10<codingenesis>sney: pls can you link me to one such site.....i would be really thankful to you..!! :)
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16:13<zeropiel>so, radeon 6450 with 2.6.38 kernel.
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16:13<zeropiel>xrandr claims it runs 1920x1080, but it does not render across the whole screen
16:14<zeropiel>and the monitor setting in preferences show 0 Hz refresh
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16:15<zeropiel>Xorg log show that xorg is unloading radeon
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16:18<hgt>is it possible to reversely play mp3s with smplayer? If not, is it possible with vlc?
16:18<sney>like, play them backwards, so you can hear the satanic messages?
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16:19<sney>audacious can do that. I don't know if any regular media players can though.
16:19<cahoot>ecasound is supposed to be able to play in reverse
16:19<sney>er, not audacious, audacity
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16:21<hgt><sney>: thanks
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16:27<Nemorandomnumbers>Hello, is there anyone here with experience in scripting? I have what I think is a simple question, but I've had trouble searching for it.
16:28<babilen>plenty of people
16:28<Nemorandomnumbers>Let's say I wanted to have a script on ComputerA run "uname -a" on ComputerB, what would my script look like?
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16:29<Tiff>it would look like it was using any numerous means of remotely connecting to computerb and executing that command.
16:29<Nemorandomnumbers>And if I wanted to run another command after that, say "Echo test" what would that look like?
16:30<Nemorandomnumbers>By "What would that look like" I mean what would the command be?
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16:30<Tiff>Might be an idea to try showing us what you've attempted thus far.
16:30<Tiff>or explainin git
16:31<Tiff>atm you're not rly asking for help here, you're just asking for someone to write you a script.
16:31<sney>I think it would look like homework
16:31<Nemorandomnumbers>What I actually want to do is create a script on my Android phone that will restart my computer
16:31<Nemorandomnumbers>I have a computer that runs Samba, which I use to stream to my Wii
16:32<Nemorandomnumbers>But sometimes I run into issues, and I'd like to be able to restart it when I do
16:32<cahoot>ssh from the phone
16:32<Nemorandomnumbers>I know how to do it manually through ssh
16:32<Nemorandomnumbers>I don't know how to have a script ssh in, run a command, then disconnect
16:33<Nemorandomnumbers>Though the disconnect isn't exactly important, since I'd be restarting the computer anyway
16:33<zerot>then you can run single commands through ssh, write a script to do that!
16:33<Nemorandomnumbers>I don't know how to write a script that passes commands to an open ssh connection
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16:34<Nemorandomnumbers>And unfortunately, there are too many similarly worded problems people try to solve, so it's difficult to google this particular one
16:34<babilen>why don't you just execute a script on the remote host through ssh?
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16:35<Nemorandomnumbers>I want it to just be a local script that runs the commands
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16:35<cahoot>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/305035/how-to-use-ssh-to-run-shell-script-on-a-remote-machine
16:35<Nemorandomnumbers>It's somewhat of a hassle to open a text prompt on my phone and run commands
16:35<jhutchins_lt>Nemorandomnumbers: You can do ssh <host> command. You can do this for multiple commands, or you can plant the script on the remote box and execute it via ssh,
16:36<zerot>write in a script exactly what you would call. There are numerous examples of regurlar bash scripts.
16:36<zerot>then call ssh <user>@<host> <command>
16:36<Nemorandomnumbers>Perfect, that's exactly what I wanted
16:36<zerot>just be sure that the command is in the user bin-dir or in the /usr/bin
16:36<Nemorandomnumbers>could I not provide the full path to the command?
16:37<zerot>sure
16:37<jhutchins_lt>For instance, I can take a list of workstation IPs and do for foo in list; do ssh $foo /etc/apache2/restart;done
16:37<zerot>just make it executable for the user which will log on.
16:37<Nemorandomnumbers>Thank you so much, I'll test that in a bit
16:38<Nemorandomnumbers>Unfortunately I'm using the computer I want to reboot for irc, haha
16:38<zerot>you are welcome
16:38<zerot>:D
16:38<babilen>Nemorandomnumbers: You might want to develop with less drastic commands ;)
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16:39<Nemorandomnumbers>haha, I was using uname and echo as stand ins for the parts I already know how to do, to avoid unnecessary complication
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16:40<babilen>Nemorandomnumbers: Please note that it is typically also not necessary to reboot a box in order to restart a service. Restarting Samba might be a better idea
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16:41<Nemorandomnumbers>I've found that often restarting Samba doesn't solve the issue
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16:42<Nemorandomnumbers>Also, since I'm going to make it an icon on my homescreen, I want to limit the number of scripts I have.
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16:44<zerot>Nemorandomnumbers: why? Couldn't you just make it an apt and create options with it?
16:44<tjfonataine>hi
16:44<tjfonataine>:)
16:44<tjfonataine>i'm netop and gonna kill you all
16:46<Nemorandomnumbers>I haven't done any android development
16:46<sney>that's a mature response
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16:46<zerot>Nemorandomnumbers: ok
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16:47<Nemorandomnumbers>I've had a few things I might want to try on it, but no pressing need to learn, especially for something as tiny as this
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16:48<zerot>Nemorandomnumbers: if you are using this script so much that you have to have the script accesible on the homescreen, then there seems to be problems with either the client or the server...
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16:50<Nemorandomnumbers>haha, I've actually solved the problem and it rarely if ever occurs anymore, but I've still been wondering how I could do this sort of thing
16:50<zerot>Nemorandomnumbers: ok! ;)
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16:51<babilen>Nemorandomnumbers: You know about SL4A, don't you? (but this is really getting off-topic for #debian)
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16:53<Nemorandomnumbers>Never heard of it, but googling now
16:53<diederik>Where can I find info (what's it for, how to use it) on tomcat6-user?
16:54<Nemorandomnumbers>I'm using GScript currently
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16:55<zeropiel>having trouble getting 1920x1080 on my desktop
16:55<diederik>is the purpose to run a webapp in tomcat under a specific user? Google didn't help wrt tomcat6-user
16:55<babilen>Nemorandomnumbers: Never heard of gscript, but http://code.google.com/p/android-scripting/ is what I was talking about. But lets finish this android specific discussion as it is not on-topic here. Good luck with your script!
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16:55<zeropiel>ATI Technologies Inc NI Caicos [AMD RADEON HD 6450]
16:55<zeropiel>one error in my xorg.log
16:56<zeropiel>(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
16:56<towo`>which driver?
16:56<zeropiel>opensource
16:56<SynrG>no. 'radeon' or 'radeonhd'?
16:57<babilen>zeropiel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log + "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" to a pastebin please :)
16:57<zeropiel>radeon
16:57<babilen>zeropiel: Please include the output of "xrandr" as well
16:57<SynrG>do you have linux-firmware-nonfree installed? (from non-free archive area)
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16:58<towo`>the opensource driver does not support hd6xxx propper at the moment
16:58<SynrG>ah, hm.
16:58<zeropiel>firmware from sid
16:58<towo`>doesn't help
16:58<zeropiel>2.6.38 kernel
16:58<Nik05>does someone know why i can only execute updatedb when im root?
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16:58<towo`>Nik05, that's normal
16:59<Nik05>ooh ok
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16:59<towo`>for HD6xxx fglrx is at the moment the only real solution
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17:01<zeropiel>xorg.log: http://paste.debian.net/116970
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17:02<zeropiel>lspci: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc NI Caicos [AMD RADEON HD 6450] [1002:6779]
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17:03<towo`>zeropiel, your system is using the vesa driver
17:05<zeropiel>oh, i tried to get rid of an error in xorg.log and did options radeon modeset=0
17:05<zeropiel>before this i had radeon driver
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17:05<zeropiel>options radeon modeset=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon.kms.conf
17:05<SynrG>you confirmed by examination of Xorg.0.log? from what they said above, thta seems unlikely.
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17:06<SynrG>that*
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17:06<zeropiel>yeah, looked through Xorg.0.log and saw radeon being loaded
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17:07<zeropiel>changing this back and rebooting to confirm
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17:08<diederik>is tomcat6-user a debian specific package?
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17:09<Nik05>hallo diederik
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17:10<diederik>hi Nik05
17:10<Nik05>ben jij de diederik? (Are you the diederik?)
17:10<daemonkeeper>diederik: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/tomcat6-user
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17:10<diederik>wie/wat is _de diederik_ ?
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17:10<Nik05>someone from the north diederik ? sorry this is more offtopic zooi....
17:11<diederik>daemonkeeper: that's also what the aptitude showed me, but it's not clear to me what it means
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17:11<diederik>and I couldn't find anything about user instance in the tomcat docs
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17:14<zeropiel>synrg: http://paste.debian.net/116971
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17:15<zeropiel>problem now is that though my dekstop seems to be 1920 wide, it still is not fullscreen on my tv
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17:18<towo`>zeropiel, now you use fbdev, not radeon
17:18<SynrG>(**) FBDEV(0): claimed PCI slot 1@0:0:0
17:18<towo`>zeropiel, as i sayed before, radeon does not support your card
17:18<SynrG>towo`: darn, you're too fast :)
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17:19<SynrG>zeropiel: anyway, if you look closely it was VESA that was unhappy with KMS, not radeon
17:20<SynrG>that's why it fell back to fbdev
17:20<zeropiel>oh
17:20<zeropiel>i've tried fglrx and it fails also
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17:21<towo`>you need fglrx 11-5
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17:22<towo`>oh, 11-4 should also support HD6xxx
17:22<towo`>11-4 is in sid
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17:22<zeropiel>can i do backports?
17:24<zeropiel>nope, guess not
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17:25<zeropiel>i have tried 11-5 from the ati website. did not work well
17:26<towo`>"did not work" is not a bigreport
17:26<towo`>for fglrx you have to blacklist radeon
17:26<towo`>and 11-4 from sid should work
17:26<zeropiel>well, recollection is vague
17:27<zeropiel>install the deb from sid and led the dependencies take care of them selves?
17:27<zeropiel>eh, let
17:27<towo`>this is not one deb
17:28<zeropiel>right, all the fglrx packages and their dependencies?
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17:35<adalberto>hi guys does anybody know how to make sleep and hibernate work on encripted lvm2?
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17:36<adalberto>i would appreciate at least the sleep function
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17:40<MadMuppet006>I have just installed squeeze 64 bit and the proprietory drivers for a 4870 card .. my desktop is very slow so any hints on fixing this appreciated
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17:59<nbnds>does it make sense to bind aptitude command to "apt" as short name?
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18:00<zerot>nbnds: it exists already... so i wouldn't do that
18:00<zerot>that is in some packages!
18:00<diederik>nbnds: doesn't sound like a good idea. also "apti"<Tab> wil expand to aptitude
18:01<zerot>nbnds: it exists specifically in the java development package
18:03<nbnds>i tried to issue "apt" command as user and bash told me command not found, so i thought the shortcut would be free
18:04<zerot>nbnds: yes, and as such you are free to do it! ;) It was just that java is pretty common, and then i would not generally do a rename crossing over apt
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18:04<michi_>hi
18:04<sney>hi
18:05<nbnds>but there is a package named apt, thats weird oO, no command but package? how?
18:05<michi_>im trying to install debian squeeze from an usb drive on my laptop, it boots just fine and the installer starts, but then he complains about a missing cd-rom, whats the problem there?
18:05<daemonkeeper>nbnds: FWIW unless you really care about Java's apt program (or you even have installed it), you can safely do what yo uwant
18:06<daemonkeeper>Especially since /usr/lib/whatever/java-whatever is not in your $PATH at all
18:07<diederik>nbnds: you usually interact with apt through aptitude or apt-get
18:07<zerot>nbnds: that is apt-? package... another install manager
18:07<zerot>nbnds: what diederik said! ;)
18:08<nbnds>ah, i get it now, thanks
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18:16<MAXmark>:)
18:16<michi_>any ideads?
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18:16<diederik>nbnds: see also http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/
18:17<moele>Any particular reason why Adobe Reader is not included in the non-free tree of Debians Package Repository?
18:17<moele>there some legality issue?
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18:18<nbnds>diederik, nice, thanks :)
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18:18<diederik>yw
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18:20<jhutchins_lt>moele: Yes, Adobe does not allow third parties to distribute it. You must get it from them.
18:21<jhutchins_lt>!adobe flash
18:21<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>.
18:21<jhutchins_lt>!adobe reader
18:21<jhutchins_lt>moele: I don't know if there's a downloader for it or not.
18:21<jhutchins_lt>The free pdf apps do a pretty good job though, you don't really need the official adobe one.
18:22<moele>jhutchins, ah :)
18:22<moele>jhutch, yer in two places at once
18:22<moele>lol
18:22<zerot>exit
18:22<jhutchins_lt>moele: Unlike flash, they've made pdf a pretty open standard.
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18:22<moele>indeed
18:22<moele>they have
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18:24<daemonkeeper>!acroread
18:24<dpkg>Portable Document Format (PDF) is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from debian-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf>, <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF
18:24<daemonkeeper>(FYI jhutchins_lt)
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18:27<jhutchins_lt>Interesting. I wonder if dmm actually distributes it or just a downloader.
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18:28<diego>Hi, is there any way to create a 'dead key' ... that is ... I want that for example (" + y) == q ...
18:28<jhutchins_lt>We should link that to "adobe reader".
18:28<diego>(I have my reasons lol)
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18:29<MadMuppet006>I have just installed squeeze 64 bit and the proprietory drivers for a 4870 card .. my desktop is very slow so any hints on fixing this appreciated
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18:31<diederik>MadMuppet006: how/where did you install it from?
18:31<MadMuppet006>diederik:I downloaded the driver then sh'd it
18:32<diederik>afaik there are debian packages for it (but use nvidia myself)
18:32<MadMuppet006>the driver is ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run
18:32<diego>http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo - may be useful for your card
18:33<jhutchins_lt>!ati
18:33<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
18:33<MadMuppet006>diego:thanks
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18:33<diego>I have an intel and an nvidia, so never tried those
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18:34<diego>http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary - proprietary ati driver tutorial for debian too
18:34<diego>hey, anyone knows to create a "dead key" ... I have an old laptop and one of the keys of the keyboard is broken (the letter Q)
18:34<MadMuppet006>diego:I installed the driver ok the problem is the desktop is very slow ..
18:35<diego>and it would be cool that " + a for instance gives Q :)
18:35<MadMuppet006>so Im looking for a problem just not sure what the problem is
18:35<diego>For 3D acceleration, fglrx requires an associated kernel module, its compilation can be automated via module-assistant or DKMS.
18:35<diego>maybe you install the driver without that
18:36<MadMuppet006>I installed the proprietory driver from ati
18:36<diego>btw, are you using compiz ?
18:36<diego>or you use just metacity (2D)
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18:37<MadMuppet006>I dont know what compiz is so unless its part of squeeze base install I do not have it
18:37<diego>anyone knows if compiz is coming automatically on debian (I think not, right) ?
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18:38<MadMuppet006>Im installing it now
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18:38<diego>ps ax | grep compiz ?
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18:39<diego>anything running (cause compiz can actually make it slow if its not a good 3d card)
18:39<diederik>MadMuppet006: I _really_ doubt that will improve your performance
18:39<MadMuppet006>lol
18:39<diego>I was saying the opposite ... remove compiz if running lol
18:40<diego>compiz use 3d stuff
18:40<diego>slower
18:40<diederik>diego: yes you did, but he was installing it ...
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18:40<diego>well, at least we know that 3d was not the problem then
18:40<MadMuppet006>that was my bad should have read what diego said
18:40<diego>cause metacity is just 2d
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18:41<diego>I was trying to guess if you didnt have 3d acceleration
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18:41<diederik>did you check the logs from X? That should indicate if there's a problem
18:42<MadMuppet006>not yet .. X is running just slower than it should
18:42<diederik>and the logs may tell you why ...
18:42<diego>diederik: btw, you dont know how to create a dead key , do you hehehe
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18:43<diederik>diego: don't know, but you can see if you can do sth with keyboard mappings
18:44<diego>hehe, will try, I dont like connecting a keyboard to that old nice laptop
18:45<diego>it would be cool to be able to make that letter somehow
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18:46<diederik>I understand what you want to do, but have no clue how to do it
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18:46<MadMuppet006>would I find the Xlogs in /etc/X11/ folder?
18:47<diederik>not likely: try /var/log ...
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18:49<babilen>MadMuppet006: /var/log/Xorg.0.log + glxinfo → paste.debian.net
18:50<babilen>MadMuppet006: Ah, I see you installed the driver from the ATi website.
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18:52<MadMuppet006>soz just been reading will do
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18:54<MadMuppet006>ok http://pastebin.com/XTMSQbXH
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18:57<MadMuppet006>ok 2d and 3d is disabled
18:57<zeropiel>upgrading to sid gave me proper graphics again
18:59<sney>if you're going to be using sid you may as well hang out in #debian-next to deal with the inevitable breakage
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19:04<diego>MadMuppet006: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
19:04<diego>can you pastebin that file ?
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19:05<zeropiel>sney: well, i have no sound atm ...
19:06<diego>zeropiel: sudo alsactl init
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19:07<zeropiel>diego: tried that already. no help
19:07<sney>!alsa checklist
19:07<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
19:08<zeropiel>i'm in audio group
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19:08<zeropiel>alsamixer only has one control, and i cant turn it on
19:08<diego>MadMuppet006: I found in a forum that removing and then adding back the module might enable DRI ... shutdown X server ... then : sudo rmmod fglrx; cd /lib/modules/*/misc; sudo insmod fglrx.ko; modprobe fglrx ... then reboot
19:08<sney>can you pastebin /proc/asound/cards if it's more than 2 lines?
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19:08<diego>MadMuppet006: you might wanna try that
19:09<diego>replace /*/ with your kernel version
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19:09<zeropiel>aplay: main:654: audio open error: No such file or directory
19:09<slurb>where is the debian binary for gcc?
19:09<sney>slurb: /usr/bin usually
19:09<diego>which gcc
19:09<slurb>thats funny
19:10<diego>(which command will tell the path)
19:10<sney>ask a funny question ...
19:10<slurb>maybe i need to restart first
19:10<zeropiel> 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
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19:10<zeropiel>HD-Audio Generic at 0xfd6fc000 irq 48
19:11<sney>zeropiel: what does alsamixer show for Card and Chip? upper left
19:12<zeropiel>HD-Audio Generic and ATI R6xx HDMI
19:12<diego>sney: you seem to know a lot, do you know how to create a dead key ... that is ... I wanna type " then a... and get q :)
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19:12<sney>diego: I have no idea
19:12<sney>zeropiel: if you push F6 does it change?
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19:13<zeropiel>sney: no
19:13<sney>is the module snd-hda-intel loaded?
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19:14<zeropiel>sney: yeah, and snd_pdm
19:14<sney>hmm
19:14<zeropiel>sney: if lsmod does what i think it does
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19:14<sney>alsamixer is showing you the sound output of your video card, which is why you can't unmute that way. but your actual onboard audio shows in /proc/asound/cards and has the driver loaded
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19:15<sney>what about lspci -nn |grep -i audio
19:15<zeropiel>01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:aa98]
19:15<diederik>zeropiel: did you reboot? And was sound working before the reboot?
19:16<sney>oh, I guess the actual onboard sound isn't visible to the system.
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19:16<dvs>!pciid 1002:aa98
19:16<zeropiel>sound worked before i switched graphics cards and reinsalled
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19:17<diederik>then probably the HDMI 'soundcard' is now the default, therefor you don't hear anything
19:17<zeropiel>but aplay is giving me an error
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19:18<diederik>create a /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf file with the contents from http://paste.debian.net/116975/
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19:19<diederik>I need that file so my 'real' audio card is always the default
19:19<zeropiel>any way to invoke that without rebooting?
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19:19<diederik>I'd like to know that too ;)
19:20<sney>alsa force-reload should do it
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19:20<zeropiel>no change, even though alsa force-reload seemed to work
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19:21<diego>sudo alsactl init now ?
19:22<diego>after reload works
19:22<zeropiel>same
19:23<zeropiel>is it natural to have loads of entries in /etc/modprobe.d/ that blacklist sound drivers?
19:24<diederik>I have some files there, but not loads
19:24<diederik>when you start alsamixer, what does it show now for card/chip?
19:25<zeropiel>one file blacklists sound, dmasound_core, dmasound_pmac and soundcard
19:25<zeropiel>same as before
19:25<diederik>then it looks like the force-reload didn't work or sth.
19:25<diederik>Do you see a list when pressing F6 (in alsamixer)?
19:26<sney>if lspci only shows one audio device then something else is weird
19:26<zeropiel>sort of: default, HD-audio generic and enter device name
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19:27<zeropiel>why should it show more than one audio device?
19:27<diederik>because your video card has some audio device/function, besides your mb
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19:28<diederik>lspci | grep -i audio shows 2 entries with me. 1 from the mb (my 'real' audio card) and 1 from my video card
19:29<zeropiel>i see, right
19:29<zeropiel>ok, i'll try rebooting
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19:33<zeropiel>no change on alsamixer
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19:51<zeropiel>now i feel really dumb
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19:52<zeropiel>soundcard was onboard on mb, and disabled in BIOS
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19:53<zeropiel>thanks for all the help guys. I learned a lot and got a working pc.
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20:14<darren54>where can I find a firewall log?
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20:15<womp>I'm trying to analyze some outgoing traffic
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20:16<metus>.org
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20:41<ubuntu>karamba
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20:44<kerrey>hi, anyone here to help?
20:44<Parsifal>!anyone
20:44<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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20:52<kerrey>is there a way to use unsafe storage for passwords in debian wheezy? I tried to not type in password but the buttons I want are non-responsive
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20:56<kerrey>wow, guess I should have known better than trying irc no one ever around to help. thanks for nothing everyone
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20:57<jhutchins_lt>!patience
20:57<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
20:58<womp>!lol
20:58<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
20:58<womp>moo
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20:59<diederik>lol @ dpkg
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20:59<jhutchins_lt>!moo
20:59<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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21:02<diederik>it's /usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.3/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav on my system ...
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22:23<ken__>你们好
22:23<ken__>没有人理阿
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22:31<weedeater64>®
22:35<kingsley>What's the proper name for things following the "&" symbol in a URL?
22:36<kingsley>For example, what is hello=world called in http://a.b.com&hello=world?
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22:39<weedeater64>parameter ?
22:39<weedeater64>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-glossary-url-definitions/
22:42<kingsley>weedeater64: Thanks.
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22:46<uvvtu>ну всем типа привет и все такое
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22:46<kop>!ru
22:46<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
22:46<uvvtu>как узнать количество процессоров в компе
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22:53<rapaomajo>hola soy nuevo
22:54<rapaomajo>de qeu va este canal ?
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22:55<rapaomajo>hola fuca ?
22:55<rapaomajo>que tal
22:55<rapaomajo>hola jack
22:55<rapaomajo>de donde sois ?
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22:56<chealer>!es
22:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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23:15<Aizya>hello
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23:15<Aizya>I am happy to inform all of you that debian has now become the main operating system we use on all server in my village
23:16<Aizya>the vision is to spread it all over the island and to other islands in the area
23:17<mmarinb>Aizya Excellent! I have Debian on my home server
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23:17<Aizya>:)
23:17<Aizya>how many computers do you have?
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23:19<weedeater64>!beer Aizya
23:19*dpkg pours a quart of Green Flash IPA for Aizya
23:20<Aizya>thanks :)
23:20<kop>Aizya: While I'm happy to hear it, #debian is for tech support. I'd be happy to hear more in #debian-offtopic.
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23:26<mmarinb>Aizya i have one debian home server and a couple of vm's with virtualbox
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23:31<acu> i have made a thumbstick bootable for netinstall - and it takes the 166 mb of iso 64 but if I want to place on it multiarchi386 and amd64 of 466
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23:58<kop>mmarinb: You need another box for backup, in some other location ideally. Or at least an external hard drive.
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