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00:07<Gerowen>How do you add the new single-menu button from Firefox 4 to Iceweasel?
00:07<Gerowen>A friend of mine who I installed Debian for a while back has it, but I'm unable to find the setting or the option for it.
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00:28<ayaka>does we have something like ghost server ?
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01:54<Gerowen>Is down?
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01:55<Gerowen>My iceweasel upgrades keep timing out, and I can't browse the website
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01:56<jm_>Gerowen: yesterday on maintainer's blog: Iceweasel 5.0b2 would have been released today if was responding. But it’s moving to a new server.
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03:54<fralle> /j #kernelnewbies
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04:14<Dattebayo>how caN I burn img files?
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04:39<nomed>hi all
04:40<nomed>i'm having a very strange issue
04:40<nomed>all the logs file are links to dev/null
04:40<nomed>any idea how to fix it ?
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04:40<jm_>which log files?
04:41<Luffy>HI, can someone help me with flash player on chromium-browser?
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04:42<Luffy>I'm using Lubuntu v11.04 and latest version of Chrominum. I can get flash to work?
04:42<Luffy>Can't get flash to work?
04:42<Luffy>chromium-browser --enable-plugin
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04:43<Luffy>] dlopen failed when trying to open default_plugin: default_plugin: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
04:43<Luffy>What now?
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04:45<gnugr>!tell Luffy -about adobe flash
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04:46<jm_>!tell Luffy -about ubuntu
04:46<MrFrood>Luffy: wrong channel, perhaps try #ubuntu (
04:46<Luffy>I'm using XChat.
04:47<MrFrood>Luffy: some messages should have opened up in another buffer
04:47<Luffy>Thank you.
04:50<Luffy>I'm back. Sorry can someone tell me how to add to XChat?
04:50<Luffy>First time use Xchat.
04:51<MrFrood>!tell Luffy about irc tutorial
04:52<MrFrood>sorry Luffy - I've never used xchat
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04:52<Luffy>Thanks. I will try.
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05:10<andrec>i want to install network-manager 0.8.4 (i have 0.8.1) but it breaks some depencies. When i do apt-get install network-manager it says its already in the most recent version (that is not true though there exists 0.8.4)
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05:11<andrec>how do i install the most recent version? is this a sources.list problem?
05:11<streuner_>judd, versions network-manager
05:11<judd>Package network-manager on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze1; sid:; wheezy:; experimental: 0.8.999-1
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05:12<andrec>streuner_, what does that mean?? what's sid?
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05:12<andrec>im using squeeze actually
05:13<streuner_>andrec: you want a backport then (/msg dpkg backports)
05:13<streuner_>andrec: /msg dpkg sid
05:13<andrec>are those distro upgrades (sid and wheezy)? if so how do i upgrade my distro?
05:14<streuner_>andrec: How long do you use Debian?
05:14<andrec>i dont want a unstable version of debian
05:14<andrec>about 3 days
05:15<streuner_>andrec: well, just get some experiences and use/install testing/wheezy or unstable/sid then :-)
05:15<streuner_>andrec: but, you are able to install a backport (/msg dpkg ssb)
05:16<andrec>im lost
05:17<andrec>dont understand what a backport is
05:17<streuner_>andrec: unfortunatly it seems to me, there is no backport for squeeze available yet, so you make your own backport then
05:17<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:17<andrec>i know ive read it and down understand
05:17<andrec>"compiled from source for an older branch"??!?!? what does that mean?
05:18<streuner_>andrec: stable is stable, usually no new packages goes into this branch of Debian...
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05:18<Jet>Hi... alioth was gone... Has anyone something like guide to `vaks` usage?
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05:19<streuner_>andrec: so, if you want a newer version, some people use a backport, they compile a newer version of unstable that fits into stable
05:19<jm_>probably makes more sense to ask that in the devel channel
05:20<andrec>ok now i understood
05:20<andrec>im rtfm
05:20<andrec>the web page
05:20<streuner_>andrec: just read the factoid <ssb>, its pretty easy
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05:22<andrec>streuner_, im having another problem sorry. The backport needs some recent libs i dont have on my system
05:23<andrec>that's what you said right?
05:23<andrec>that there wasnt any backport
05:23<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
05:23<Thomas80>hello, my headset mic is not working. the settings in alsamixer seems to be correct ( all values are set to high)
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05:24<streuner_>andrec: did you already make what <ssb> told you?
05:24<andrec>streuner_, can you wait 30 secs?
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05:25<andrec>read it
05:25<andrec>wait a min im trying to understand stuff here
05:25<andrec>im too noob for this stuff
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05:26<streuner_>andrec: add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list -> deb-src unstable main non-free contrib
05:26<andrec>ok done
05:26<streuner_>andrec: aptitude update
05:27<streuner_>andrec: aptitude install build-essential
05:27<andrec>is build-essential a devel package?
05:27<streuner_>andrec: aptitude build-dep network-manager
05:27<dpkg>it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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05:28<streuner_>andrec: apt-get -s source network-manager
05:29<streuner_>andrec: apt-get -b source network-manager, sorry
05:29<andrec>youre going to fast
05:29<andrec>for me at least :)
05:29<andrec>let me just run the command
05:29<streuner_>andrec: and install the resulting deb, its the same folder where you start the process
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05:31<andrec>im getting a lot of dependencies errors
05:32<andrec>np ill fix them
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06:07<andrec>thanks for all help. Specially you streuner_
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06:12<shawn>Anyone know why my windows boot loader takes me to my Ubuntu boot loader. I'd prefer one boot loader screen. Can anyone help ?
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06:15<ccssnet>shawn thats troublesome
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06:29<ghantoos>hey all
06:29<ghantoos>do you know if there is any way to ask apt/dpkg not to start services after an install?
06:29<ghantoos>(e.g. mysql-server)
06:30<dpkg>[policy-rc.d] a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. See and <invoke-rc.d>. To disable all daemon starts and stops during package installation, use, but note that would have consequences that you probably don't like, so tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised.
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06:31<ghantoos>petemc: thanks!
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06:59<mandla>Hello, i need some help on IBM BladeCenter servers
07:01<mandla>Notify: Hello, i need help on Bl
07:01<mandla>Notify: Hello, i need help on BladeCenter Servers
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07:04<babilen>mandla: Interesting. Our crystal balls are unfortunately not that powerful and you have to tell us what your problem is.
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07:06<mandla>babilen, i need to make sure that the Blade Servers start after the storage (SAN) has fully initialised.
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07:08<ferni>you mean you need somekindof script to suspend bootup process of a debian system untill san responds to ping?
07:08<mandla>babilen, Bacause the situation right now is that, the servers start all at the same time and therefore finds that the storage has not fully initialised therefore not recognising the HHD partitions, Please help or refer me.
07:10<ferni>simplest resolution would propably be to just add more timeout to grub configuration :)
07:10<mandla>ferni, it might be a script, anything that works, my boss is killing me.
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07:11<ferni>edit /etc/defat/grub GRUB_TIMEOUT=120 or something, if thats enough for san to initialize
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07:14<ferni>that sets the timeout for 120seconds before the server starts booting. oh, and you must run update-grub
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07:33<mandla>ferni, thanx il try that.
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07:49<qmp>Hi, my home and root partitions are on the same luks dm-crypt volume. Those were made by a fedora installation. Is it possible to install debian on the existing root volume, keeping my home volume untouched?
07:50<qmp>When I select configure encrypted volume in the installer, it asks for a confirmation to write the partition table on my main disk .. so I'm a bit unsure.
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08:03<nevyn>does anyone know if hda-verb and hda-analyser are packaged for debian somewhere?
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08:06<nevyn>qmp: you'll need the key from the fedora installation to mount the disks. but that's not impossible.
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08:13<shadenzo> <NOOB > i have had problems intsalling wheezy , thus i installed squeeze and i plan to uprade to wheezy. since it's the first time , how do i upgrade to wheezy ?
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08:14<|Frederi1>modify /etc/apt/sources.list to refer to wheezy/testing instead of squeeze/stable. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
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08:15<shadenzo>thanks alot |Frederi1
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08:17<CcSsNET>replace every instance of apt-get with aptitude
08:17<CcSsNET>its safer
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08:21<CcSsNET>example would be aptitude update
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08:36<mandla>ferni, some how it is not working, someone suggested a script, dnt you know how go about with it?
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08:41<ferni>mandla: hmm, should work in squeeze, or then the timeout is still not enough
08:42<ferni>maybe you could include a connectivity test to somewhere like /etc/init.d/open-iscsi before starting it
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08:44<mandla>ferni, i had set it to 30 minutes, and by the look of things some servers get to recognize the storage and some are failing, well the BladeCenter Servers are running SUSE linux
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08:45<ferni>oh, then you should ask from some suse channel about how to setup it
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08:45<mandla>How do i get to the SUSE channel
08:46<mandla>ferni, How do i get to the SUSE channel
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08:59<mandla>ferni, how do i switch from #debian to opensuse?
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09:09<scullder>hello everybody ! :)
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09:10<scullder>I'm using Xen 4 on Debian Squeeze and I have a small problem
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09:13<scullder>I can't find any information about it, and I don't know I can ignore it
09:13<scullder>do you have an idea please ? :)
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10:04<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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10:04<babilen>andrec: "/msg dpkg bdo" :)
10:05<andrec>hehe ok sorry
10:05<andrec>didnt know that lol
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10:05<babilen>Which is why I'm letting you no. No problem and no harm done :)
10:05<andrec>hehe good
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10:05<babilen>no should have been "know" *sigh*
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10:07<mutante>scponly does not allow scp ,hah, should it be renamed to sftponly then
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10:13<alyosha>anyone knows why instalation
10:13<andrec>im having problems installing network-manager 0.8.4 through apt-get. Can anyone help ?? basically i do apt-get source -b network-manager , and it gives me the 0.8.1 package
10:13<alyosha>stops at 33% formating
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10:14<alyosha>or is it normal for 1TB disk to take 5-10min to format?
10:15<__Alex_>Can someone help me?
10:15<babilen>andrec: Either give the exact version network-manager=VER or use -t BRANCH to select wheezy/sid
10:15<andrec>ah i missed the '='
10:15<babilen>alyosha: yes, give it more time (which filesystem?)
10:16<alyosha>babilen it just finished:)
10:16<babilen>wonderful :)
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10:18<jhutchins_lt2>,versions network-manager
10:18<judd>Package network-manager on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze1; sid:; wheezy:; experimental: 0.8.999-1
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10:25<andrec>can i say sh*t?
10:25<__Alex_>As long as you censore the 'i' in it
10:26<babilen>andrec: But don't if it is not absolutely necessary. We try to keep it family-friendly and technical in here
10:27<andrec>later thanks for help
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10:40<mazpe>recompiling a kernel, from make menuconfig can i change the CONFIG_HZ=250 to 1000?
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10:41<mazpe>where is it?
10:41<cthuluh>though dunno if that's very valuable
10:41<cthuluh>general setup or something
10:41<tlyu> appears to be refusing connections. is there somewhere i should look for status updates?
10:41<mazpe>i'm installing an asterisk server with conferencing and it requires 1000 as a value
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10:42<cthuluh>mazpe: oops, processor type and features -> timer frequency
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10:45<unixabg>Greetings, I have a broken raid array, and I have a replacement drive, but the new drive is a bit smaller, so I would like to resize the md1, but can I do that in production? The unit is in a hosting center.
10:45<babilen>tlyu: There are discussion on debian-devel, debian-devel-announce, debian-infrastructure-announce and #alioth (but please let them work in peace)
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10:46<tlyu>babilen: thanks
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10:52<__Alex_>Can someone help me?
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11:03<infinite>Hi There
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11:05<Guest1913>I set up Debian Squeeze on my Neighbors computer just now, it has integrated intel graphics card, when i created xorg.conf with Xorg -configure, it created xorg.conf for Device "intel", I get a black screen using this xorg.conf
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11:08<mjt>!tell Guest1913 -about xorg.conf
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11:14<Guest1913>Can anyone help us?
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11:29<kop>Guest1913: What happens if you use no xorg.conf?
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11:29<kop>Guest1913: Look in /var/log/X.log* to see what the errors are.
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11:30<Guest1913>It works fine
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11:31<Guest1913>I just wanted a xorg.conf as I have it on my computer
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11:31<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config squeeze> <xorg config lenny>.
11:31<rss>Guest1913: That is what is supposed to happen. You only really need an xorg.conf if you have very special requirements.
11:31<kop>Guest1913: If it breaks it then don't do that.
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11:34<Guest1913>On my computer, I would get the desktop stuck with NVIDA graphics card, I use "nv" drivers now, "nouvea" drivers seize the desktop
11:35<Guest1913>Can my neighbor play HD video without xorg.conf?
11:35<kop>Guest1913: What's the pciid of the video card? Use "lspci -nn" to get it. It looks like [xxxx:yyyy].
11:35<rss>Guest1913: I use the radeon driver myself. I have no experience with nv or nouveau
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11:36<mjt>both nv and nouveau plays video well. but no support for hw-assisted decoding
11:36<mjt>(and radeon does not provide that support either)
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11:37<mjt>i already told dpkg to mention xorg.conf to Guest1913 :)
11:37<Guest1913>00:00.0 RAM memory [0500]: nVidia Corporation MCP61 LPC Bridge [10de:03e2] (rev a1)
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11:38<Guest1913>Thanks mjt, dpkg already mentioned it to me, I will not use xorg.conf
11:38<rss>mjt: I am aware of the limit but opengl 2.0 support is stable ad works well for me.
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11:39<mjt>opengl does not give you hd video ;)
11:39<kop>,pciid [10de:03e2]
11:39<judd>[10de:03e2] is 'MCP61 LPC Bridge' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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11:40<babilen>The proprietary nvidia drivers might be worth a try too ... What is the problem we are trying to fix?
11:40<rss>mjt: mplayer with forced opengl does 1080p om my nw8240 laptop without dropping frames. xbmc does that same. You do not need opengl 2.0 just glsl support though
11:40<mjt>heh. we're talking about different things.
11:41<mjt>for basic video support xv is sufficient
11:41<mjt>that's hardware scaling, basically
11:41<kop>babilen: He uses the "nv" drivers, the nouveau drivers "seize the desktop".
11:42<babilen>kop: Hmm, Nouveau the conqueror? What about nvidia's drivers?
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11:42<kop>babilen: Dunno. We just sorta got started.
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11:42<rss>mjt: as far as I am aware my source is actually 1080p not upscaled from 720p or lower.
11:42<Guest1913>I have proprietary NVIDIA drivers installed and all works fine, except for my neighbors computer with integrated INTEL garphics displays a black screen with xorg.conf
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11:44<babilen>Guest1913: Unrelated issues, so on *your* computer everything is fine? (I hope you used Debian's dkms packages as explained in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms")
11:45<Guest1913>babilen: Yes I used dpkg nvidia dkms
11:45<babilen>wonderful :)
11:45<rss>Guest1913: good for you!
11:45<babilen>Guest1913: Do you have access to your neighbour's computer?
11:45<Guest1913>Thanks all
11:45<Guest1913>I am in my home now
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11:46<babilen>Ok, you might want to come back here when you have access to her/his box in that case :)
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11:47<Guest1913>I searched the net; I have an option of using "i810" drivers instead of "intel" drivers, If everything will work fine withouot xorg.conf, I will not use it
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11:47<omni>I'm having problems with my Display properties, they are moved over to the right a little and i cannot get the "screen" to fit to the monitor (with out "auto adjusting" every time). I've got the most current/up to date Nouveau files. But i cannot figure out how to configure and move the screen to the left. Can anyone help me?
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11:48<rss>omni: are you using vga analog or digital output?
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11:49<rss>omni: most digital panels should configure just fine. for analog panels a refresh rate of 60Hz should be what you want.
11:49<omni>rss, This screen is the VGA. I was using the walkthrough Retrospec was showing me on friday. However i've hit a wall...
11:50<rss>omni: what is vga vertical refresh rate set at? are you trying to use native resolution?
11:51<omni>rss, 60hz
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11:51<omni>rss, Resolution is 1280x1024
11:52<rss>omni: 60Hz is good. is that resolution native?
11:52<jhutchins>Guest1913: Why do you need an xorg.conf?
11:52<omni>rss, Native? like Default?
11:53<rss>omni: native as in the actual physical size of the panel in pixels
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11:54<rss>omni: some panels allow you to use non-native sizes that need to be scaled by the panel or your driver
11:54<omni>rss, Dell E197FP. Resolution: 1280x1024 60hz.
11:54<Guest1913>Jhutchins: As of now I dont need xorg.conf on my neighbors computer, on my computer, I needed it as my desktop would seize.
11:54<omni>rss, That is on the "Menu" info on the monitor itself.
11:54<jhutchins>Guest1913: So there isn't a problem?
11:54<rss>omni: for a 19 inch panel 1280x1024 native sounds about right.
11:54<rss>omni: the apect is 4:3 right?
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11:55<omni>rss i believe so.
11:55<rss>omni: does the panel start in 1280x1024 60Hz or change to that later?
11:56<omni>rss, Starts.. When i boot into Ubuntu, it shows correctly, and when i switch over to Windows it shows up correctly also. Just something is messed up in Debian.
11:56<Guest1913>rss: I just installed Debian on my neighbors computer, I have to see if it seizes without xorg.conf, if it plays HD Video on Mplayer etc, without using xorg.conf
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11:57<rss>omni: Hmmm, that is curious. what does the output of xrander say? remember use pastebin
11:57<rss>Guest1913: OK.
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11:58<jhutchins>Guest1913: It's a different chipset. Freezing just because you don't have an xorg.conf isn't a normal condition (you must have something special/non-default in your xorg.conf).
11:58<Kaimei>when i log in into proftpd I get [L] 220 ProFTPD 1.3.3a Server (FTP Server ready) [MYIP]
11:58<Kaimei>but it should only display FTP Server ready and not the version etc
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11:58<Kaimei>how can I put if off ?
11:58<omni>rss, Here is what i did on Pastebin on friday
11:58<babilen>Guest1913: You are aware of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ configuration for nvidia as detailed in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" aren't you?
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11:59<rss>omni: looking now
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11:59<Nemoder>Is it possible to access Ubuntu's software center store from debian?
12:00<omni>rss, wops i forgot, i set it to expire after a day i think.. let me make another
12:00<rss>omni: ok that page was empty
12:00<Guest1913>Jhutchins: I was concerned what happened with my computer would happen with my neighbors computer, I will test his computer tomorrow. Thanks all for your concern
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12:02<rss>Nemoder: ????
12:02<omni>rss, try this one..
12:02<rss>omni: trying
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12:03<Nemoder>rss: ubuntu sells comercial software, just curious if it was accessible with debian's software-center package or the like
12:04<jhutchins>Nemoder: Why would you buy software meant for Ubuntu on a Debian platform? Why not buy software meant for SuSE or RedHat?
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12:05<Nemoder>jhutchins: I don't think the commercial software has any integration at all. some of their games for instance work on most linux systems
12:05<rss>omni: What I see in the page is that a 75Hz mode is also available what to the ubuntu and and windows setups say? Are you using an empty org? If not does your xorg contain modelines?
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12:06<rss>omni: aargh xorg.cong
12:06<rss>omni: aargh xorg.conf
12:06<omni>rss, Hold on, let me look at the Windows version (have it setup to switch by pressing a button.) I'll have to restart to access Ubuntu.
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12:09<omni>rss, Windows: 1280x1024 60hz. (left monitor) When i tried to.. well now wtf.. it is there now.. Hold on let me look at the Xorg.conf file. (it was not there when i was in Xfrce)
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12:12<omni>rss, here is my Xorg file, i'm not sure what i'm looking for as "new" i do see the 1280x1024 option. Above that it is saying 1152x864.. Should i change that?
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12:13<rss>omni: missing pastebin link
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12:15<rss>omni: possibly removing the 1152x864 from xorg.conf could help. let me see it first though
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12:19<omni>woops.. sorry. Fixing a printer..
12:19<omni>rss, ^
12:20<Aleric>Is it possible to have a software RAID array of harddisks, but have dual boot where you share the RAID with another OS (ie, windows)?
12:22<Aleric>I guess that comes down to the question if you can partition each disk and only use a part of each disk (one partition, not using another partition of the same disk) for the RAID.
12:22<rss>omni: your nvidia settings thingy has made an xorg.conf file for you. try rename of xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old and restart x and see what happens. What it looks like is that initially the 1186x864 75Hz wa tried an removed that might confuse the timing on the monitor.
12:22<mjr>Linux software raid works on the level of partitions, so for that part, yes. No idea about windows, and you probably couldn't access the linux side from windows
12:22<mjr>(or vice versa for that matter)
12:23<mjt>linux software raid works on top of any block device be it a partition or a whole drive
12:23<Aleric>I need to compile stuff for windows... The best solution would be to run windows in a virtual machine, but I'm not a real fan of that: it seems to make things not work as they should, and slower etc.
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12:24<mjt>so you can raid one partiton, or you can raid whole disk and create partitions inside raid
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12:24<Aleric>Is there an "install 64bit windows 7 on a virtual machine" HOWTO somewhere? :)
12:24<mjr>well, I would certainly use a VM.
12:25<omni>rss, K i'll do that real quick, see what happens.
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12:25<Aleric>I just can't imagine that I can run a 3D game in windows then, at full FPS ;)
12:26<mjr>probably not, but that isn't compiling stuff for windows
12:26<mjt>compilers should work under wine just fine
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12:26<mjt>besides theres mingw32
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12:27<Aleric>MS 2010 runs under wine? I need to compile a Second Life viewer... that is extremely hard, even if you just run windows :/.
12:27<Aleric>VS 2010*
12:28<Aleric>Nah... I guess I could get it to work in a VM to compile it, but my experience with running heavy duty applications in a VM (like the SL viewer) is bad :( :/
12:29<Aleric>but wine? no way
12:29<mjt>in wine you've better chances to run some 3d/video stuff
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12:32<mazpe>make menuconfig just creates a .config right?
12:33<Nemoder>make gconfig is a little friendlier under X
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12:38<rss>omni: Hi, any results
12:39<omni>rss, Ok, the Xorg Printbin i sent you was for my Ubuntu.. it was not for Debian.. I cannot find Debian's Xorg.conf...
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12:41<rss>omni: since the ubuntu xorg.conf works. try the ubuntu xorg.conf on the Be aware that the ubuntu is using the nvidia driver and if the debian is using nouveau that that will not work. You could always try the nvidia aks (nv) driver on the debian. do not forget the nvidia dkms package.
12:41<rss>omni: s/aks/aka/
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12:43<omni>rss, Not that tech savy yet with either distro yet... I tried installing Nvidia's drivers Nouveau & NV, both said they were up to date.. You want me to copy the Xorg file from Ubuntu and put it into Debian, (same location?) Open Xorg and make sure it is using the right drivers in the new Xorg file?
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12:45<rss>omni: In a nutshell yes. You need to make sure that the debian box is also using the nv driver and not the nouveau. the xorg.conf from ubuntu should take care of that. I do not use nvidia hardware myself so I am guessing. If both drivers are installed then the debian may be choosing the one you do not want. What does /var/log/xorg.0.log say on the debian?
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12:47<rss>omni that should be /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:47<omni>rss, got it, i think it is saying NOUVEAU..
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12:49<rss>omni: OK that means ubuntu is using nvidia drivers and the debian the open source nouveau ones. if the nvidia drivers are also installed you should be able to force the use of the nv driver with the xorg.conf from the ubuntu box. note the driver nvidia from the xorg.conf file.
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12:50<rss>omni: basically that is telling xorg to use the nvidia driver and not any other autodetected one.
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12:51<omni>rss, Go to the Debian Xorg.conf file and tell it to use NV drivers instead of Nvidia? However i do not see where to change that in Xorg..
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12:53<rss>omni: you said the debian box does not have a xorg.conf file. That means you should be able to add one. copying the ubuntu xorg.conf to the debian box should give you an xorg.conf file. the xorg from the pastebin is from the ubuntu. that file force the use of the nvidia driver. do you follow me on that?
12:54<omni>rss, yeah, Does Ubuntu call their drivers nv also?
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12:55<rss>omni: from your paste bin in the Device Section there is a Driver line that says nvidia. a nouveau driver would say nouveau.
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12:57<rss>omni: on my laptop I use a xorg.conf mine says Driver "radeon" not Driver "fglrx". fglrx would be the ati proprietary driver and radeon is the open source one. Do you follow?
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12:58<omni>rss, aye
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12:59<hgt>is it easily possible to watch two photos side-by-side with gqview or mirage?
12:59<rss>omni: OK, if on your debian box the nvidia driver is also present and all dependancies are met, then the xorg.conf from ubuntu could be forced to use nvidia instead of nouveau with the xorg.conf from the ubunto box. OK?
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13:02<rss>omni: what I would try is the following: copy xorg.conf from ubunto to xorg.conf on debian. Same location. It should be /etx/X11/xorg.conf. Restart X on the debian. It should now force the use og nvidia driver instead of nouveau. If I do not get output a foray into /var/log/Xorg.0.log should say what is failing.
13:02<diego>Hi, I have a keyboard with the '/' broken ... is there anyway to do stuff like "cd ../../" or "cd /" without the use of / ... as "cd ~" would go to my home
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13:03<omni>rss, Ok, i've already have it moved over. I'll rename it and see what happens. (If anything i'll jump onto Ubuntu and let you know whats going on)
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13:03<rss>omni: OK
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13:03<babilen>omni,rss: Same should be achieved by "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf -- Note that one has to restart the system in order to activate the nouveau blacklist.
13:04<babilen>well, too late :)
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13:04<rss>babilen: Thanks for the assist on this I'm a monolithic xorg.conf user myself. feel free to interrupt
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13:05<rss>diego: get a new keyboard or remap a key with xmodmap
13:05<babilen>rss: Not sure what you are working on exactly but the "make Xorg use the nvidia driver" part is achieved by the method above
13:05<hgt>is it easily possible to watch two photos side-by-side using gqview or mirage?
13:06<rss>babilen: omni had a analog vga that differs with hsync and vsync from the nvidia driver so when he uses his kvm he has to use auto button to make screen fit.
13:06<babilen>ah! ok, pray continue :)
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13:07<rss>babilen: trying to get him to use sam driver between ubuntu and debian and windows
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13:10<rss>omni: hi again.
13:10<omni>rss, ...yeah i did something wrong.. haha, i'm on the Ubuntu computer right now..
13:10<omni>rss, logging into Debian.. go the equivilant of BSOD..
13:11<rss>omni: babilen had a good technique for you that should force nvidia driver. I guess you missed that. babilen can you /would you assist?
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13:12<rss>omni: OK you can remove the xorg.conf from the debian box. apparently that failed.
13:12<babilen>omni,rss: Same should be achieved by "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf -- Note that one has to restart the system in order to activate the nouveau blacklist.
13:13<babilen>omni: I mentioned that ^^^ shortly after you left
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13:13<rss>omni: what babilen just said. on the debian box!
13:13<omni>babilen, O_o Is that going through terminal?
13:13<rss>babilen: Thanx
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13:14<rss>omni: xorg should no longer need a xorg.conf file. It should aoutoconfigure. removing the file should be harmless!
13:14<babilen>!tell omni -about nvidia dkms
13:14<babilen>omni: Part of the nvidia dkms factoid ...
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13:15<babilen>ok. i'll be back later
13:15<babilen>good luck!
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13:16<rss>omni: you still there?
13:16<omni>rss, yeah.. trying to remove the Xorg file on my Debian HD...
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13:17<omni>rss, there we go.. let me see if i can get back into Debian
13:17<rss>omni: OK, what babilen tried to say is that there is a neat way to force a debian to use an nvidia driver. that was what his paste contains
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13:18<omni>got'cha. i'll copy it over to Debian and see what i get.. i'll log back on shortly.
13:18<rss>omni: you also _need_ the nvidia dkms module. make sure you have that!
13:19<omni>rss, i'm going to log into Debian first, then i'll work on the rest :)
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13:22<rss>omni: Hi again
13:23<omni>rss, Hello, on Debian again..
13:23<rss>omni: good
13:23<omni>rss, Gimme a minute to find my walkthrough again. See how much of this i understand.
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13:24<omni>rss, What are "Squeeze Users"? I've seen that in a few places..
13:24<diederik>users running Debian Squeeze?
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13:25<rss>omni: squeeze is that current release of debian. a Squeeze user is anyone who uses that. I am assuming you are using debian squeeze or higher
13:26<rss>!tell omni -about squeeze
13:26<omni>rss, got'cha
13:26<omni>Kinda like Nautty Narwal for Ubuntu...
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13:27<omni>rss, So i should type the whole command that Babilen gave me, into Root Terminal?
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13:28<rss>omni: yes. that is from with the quotes
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13:28<omni>rss, yeah. I'm going to log and run this & restart. Lets see how it goes. bb in a bit.
13:29<rss>omni: also install nvidia dkms if you haven't already!
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13:29<omni>rss, yeah saw that. I'll need to install those.
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13:29<rss>omni: not so hasty
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13:30<rss>omni: check if you have the /etc/X11/xord.d directory first
13:30<rss>omni: oops: xorg.d
13:30<rss>omni: it should also contain a 20-nvidia file
13:31<diederik>no, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
13:31<rss>diederik: yes thank you I stand corrected
13:31<omni>rss, 20-nvidia is in there
13:31<rss>omni: good. install the nvidia dkms
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13:32<omni>"aptget (<<with the -) install nvidia-kernal-dkms" like that?
13:32<diederik>dkms needs the headers of your kernel if you haven't got them, you need to install it
13:33<diederik>aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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13:33<rss>omni: what diederik said
13:34<omni>running now. After this do the Code Bib gave me?
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13:34<rss>omni: no the code babilen gave you has already run and the file are ther
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13:35<rss>omni: that was the check for the 20-nvidia file. OK?
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13:36<twobitsprite>is it possible to build RPMs on a debian system?
13:36<omni>rss, it popped this up and then canceled the install.. Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official Multi-architecture amd64/i386 NETINST #1 20110320-15:14' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter].
13:37<rss>omni: what does /etc/apt/sources say?
13:37<diederik>rss: babilen's code created the 20-nvidia file
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13:37<diederik>(and the xorg.conf.d directory)
13:37<rss>diederik: yes that is what I told omni
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13:37<jhutchins>twobitsprite: It
13:38<rss>diederik, Thanks for watching me
13:38<diederik>the check was to verify if it executed correctly
13:38<jhutchins>twobitsprite: It's possible, but probably not simple or easy.
13:39<rss>omni: still her?
13:39<omni>rss, etc/apt/sources .. i've got files & folders. which one from here?
13:39<rss>omni: /etc/apt/source.list
13:39<rss>omni: /etc/apt/sources.list
13:40<omni>rss, gives me the Software Soruces (as superuser) window..
13:40<omni>rss, should i look at 3rd party software?
13:40<rss>omni: yes they should what does that say? use pastebin
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13:42<omni>rss, Third party only have 2 entries: & main(SourceCode)
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13:43<mazpe>how do i down and extract the source of a package?
13:43<rss>omni: please pastebin the /etc/apt/sources.list file. I can the say what entries need changing. OK?
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13:44<diederik>mazpe: apt-get source <pkgname> downloads the source of a package (you need deb-src lines in your sources.list)
13:44<omni>rss, didnt realize i could /gedit the file. hold on i'll make a pastebin
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13:46<omni>rss, here ya go
13:47<rss>omni: looking now
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13:48<rss>omni: you want to comment out line 5
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13:49<rss>omni you want to edit line 7 to the following: deb squeeze main contrib non-free
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13:49<omni>rss k, give me a minutes
13:50<diederik>if you add "contrib non-free" to line 7, you should also add it to the other lines
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13:51<TRex>hi, I have a problem with xorg in testing: config/udev shows up detecting my synaptics touchpad, but in next line it doesn't assign a driver and continues (ignoring) the device. any hint? for now, I reloaded the psmouse module with proto=imps, but evdev makes the mouse slower and has no middle click emulation.
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13:51<rss>omni: what diederik said. I did not want to overload
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13:52<omni>so add contrib non-free to Line 8,10,11,14,15?
13:52<rss>omni: yes
13:53<rss>omni: apt-get update
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13:53<rss>omni: save the file. as root apt-get update
13:54<rss>omni: when that is done try the install of nvidia dkms again
13:54<omni>rss, done.. and done
13:54<rss>omni: install? no errors?
13:54<omni>rss, apt-getinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms?
13:54<rss>omni: yes
13:55<omni>rss, 2seconds
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13:55<omni>rss, unbacking righ tnow
13:55<rss>omni: actually: not apt-getinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms but apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms?
13:56<omni>yeah, i didnt know if i typed out the command if there would be a problem.. i took out the space between get & install here.. not in terminal
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13:56<omni>rss, done.
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13:57<rss>omni: did the kernel headers install?
13:57<omni>rss, guessing so.
13:58<rss>omni: guessing?
13:58<omni>it put me back into terminal waiting for a command..
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13:58<rss>omni: diederik said: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
13:58<diederik>omni: aptitude search ~ilinux-headers-$(uname -r)
13:58<omni>rss, oh yeah.. sorry hold on
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13:59<diederik>that command will show you if have the headers, what rss reposted is what installs them
13:59<rss>diederik, omni : thanks diederik
14:00<omni>i A linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64
14:00<diederik>you have them
14:01<omni>restart and see what happens?
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14:01<rss>omni: yes, diederik do you concur
14:02<diederik>I do
14:02<omni>cool, than you guys, see you in a minute.
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14:02<rss>diederik: this guy is quick. doesn wait and check. he's givving me the heebiejeebies
14:03<diederik>lol, that's what making me wait for you to reply first (since I haven't followed the whole conversation)
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14:04<rss>Hi omni
14:04<omni>Like a bloody charm.. Thank you both so much for your help
14:04<rss>diederik, rofl
14:04<diederik>have fun using debian!
14:04<rss>omni: glad to be of service. Do you understand what we just did?
14:05<omni>rss, Yeah, i know what you did, just not really how it was done.
14:05<rss>omni: my premise was that you were using nvidia drivers
14:06<rss>omni: because of that the timing between open source and closed source for a refresh rate for analog monitor might be different. do you follow?
14:06<omni>rss, yep.
14:07<tharkun>Gentlemen I am looking for a smartphone to put debian on to it. Does anyone know of one that i have the least trouble to achieve my goal. Also if it looks nice and it is fully functional I can give it also as a present to my wife
14:07<rss>omni: what the debian was doing is using open source driver. we forced the use of proprietary drivers. the use the same timing for analog monitors. Still with me?
14:07<omni>rss, yep
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14:08<rss>omni: So now you have windows using same timing as closed source ubuntu and debian using closed source. That means no longer needing to use auto button. Is that correct?
14:09<omni>rss, yep, everything auto-adjusted when i logged into Debian(Gnome).
14:10<rss>omni: if you were using a digital panel this would not have been a problem. So in future if available use the DVI connectors and avoid the problem OK?
14:10<babilen>omni, rss: congrats I assume?
14:10<rss>babilen: apparently yes. Welcome back
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14:11<babilen>great :)
14:11<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
14:11<omni> Normally i try to, but the computer i've used for my Linux only has the old plugins.. My Windows computer has the DVI & VGA so i've got my 2nd monitor plugged into that DVI
14:12<rss>omni: No problem. We are here to help. Thank YOU for persevering. I know sometimes the input we the guys that know seems esoteric. I'm glad you persisted and stuck with us.
14:13<rss>diederik, babilen: thanks for the assist!
14:13<diederik>yw :)
14:14<babilen>same here ...
14:14*babilen hands all of you a glass of chilled white wine courtesy of SICSA
14:14<rss>diederik, babilen: i humbly bow ;)
14:14<omni>rss, I would understand it quicker in windows, However i'm making myself learn Linux and as many versions i can.
14:14<rss>babilen: aaahhhhhh
14:15<rss>babilen: that hit the spot!
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14:16<omni>Hopefully i'll not have to pick your brains much more. I'm getting better at the system here. Having to re-learn an OS, (especially from Windows) is.. interesting.
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14:17<diederik>and rewarding
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14:17<babilen>omni: No, try to pick our brains as much as possible. Help us to help you as we (i.e. #debian) is here for exactly that purpose
14:17<rss>omni: you're welcome. We live to serve. did you also enjoy babilen's glass of wine like diederik and I did?
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14:19<omni>rss, Cant drink at work :\ i start misstyping and i'm sure someone's insurance quote will get weird writting.. However it is chilled waiting for the drive home..
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14:23<rss>omni: di you just drink that glass anyway? your misstyping and writting seems obvious?
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14:24<omni>rss, shh.. less people that know.. less people that get called to court..
14:24<rss>omni: wink
14:24<dlacykusters>How can I find the list of packages installed in a base installation of lenny 5.0.5?
14:25<diederik>aptitude search ~i
14:25<dlacykusters>BTW, should mention that I don't actually have lenny installed
14:25<diederik>ah wait, that's for you current system
14:26<rss>dlacykusters: what is your current system?
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14:27<dlacykusters>I'm looking at two appliances that were derived off of lenny 5.0.5. I'm trying to figure out what packages they removed.
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14:27<sney>they probably didn't remove anything. the absolute base install contains very little.
14:28<sney>apt, dpkg, assorted text tools, the kernel, and networking.
14:28<sney>it's everything you need to build a customized install from the ground up.
14:29<rss>dlacykusters: lenny is still available. an update and an apt-get -ud upgrade should tell you what you do not have with respect to lenny
14:29<rss>dlacykusters: just dont download and update
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14:30<sney>though if it's an appliance, he may not have loads to work with wrt disk space
14:30<rss>sney: yes that is why i said -ud and do not actually perform
14:30<sney>ah, yeah
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14:31<sney>my brain removed the 'dont' from your second line. still, I doubt it's a case of things having been removed
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14:32<rss>sney: i agree. most likely base install with manual additions were needed
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14:33<sney>dlacykusters: out of curiosity, what kind of appliances are they?
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14:33<rss>dlacykusters, sney: good question
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14:33<dlacykusters>networking boxes
14:34<rss>dlacykusters: networking boxes. isnat that any box?
14:34<sney>well yeah, but what are they for
14:34<sney>firewall? application level filtering? etc
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14:37<dlacykusters>sadly, I can't get more specific than saying they provide standard networking services. Damn confidentiality contract.
14:37<sney>ah, hm. when you said "looking at" I took that to mean shopping
14:37<sney>well, whatever
14:38<sney>if they're debian based and they have some elbow room in the storage space, they can do damn near anything anyway
14:38<dlacykusters>yeah, sorry
14:38<rss>dlacykusters: back to what I said. Lenny is available. after apt-get update. ap-get -ud upgrade with and answer of no for doenload should give you a difference
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14:39<dlacykusters>apt-get update won't change the installed packages, right?
14:39<rss>dlacykusters, that glass of wine from babilen must be affecting my typing. sorry
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14:39<sney>dlacykusters: no, it'll just update the list of what's available
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14:39<dlacykusters>great. I'll try that now.
14:40<rss>dlacykusters, no the update will not change the install only get a new list.
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14:41<rss>Hi babilen: god your wine was strong. my typing has gone to the pits.
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14:42<babilen>heh :)
14:42<rss>babilen: wink
14:43<diederik>dlacykusters: try this "aptitude search '~i~prequired|~pimportant'" (without quotes)
14:45<dlacykusters>thanks. Is the aptitude command a list of things that should be installed, or that are installed that are important?
14:45<babilen>Oh, I'm so curious and nosy today :)
14:45<rss>diederik: assuming aptitude is installed:
14:45<diederik>rss: it's important or required, so afaik it'll be installed
14:46<diederik>dlacykusters: are installed, which are required or important
14:46<diederik>afaik that's what the base install does
14:46<rss>diederik: yes, dlacykusters said they are black i.e. debian derived. possibly some things removed?
14:46<diederik>I don't think you 'can' remove those
14:46<rss>diederik: yes, dlacykusters said they are black i.e. debian derived. possibly some things _important_ removed?
14:47<diederik>I think they're essential for a working debian system
14:47<dlacykusters>yeah, it looks like all the required stuff is there.
14:47<rss>diederik: some thiings are forcable if you are willing to _break_ a system
14:47<diederik>otherwise remove the ~i
14:48<diederik>rss: that's why I put can in quotes
14:48<dlacykusters>Maybe I should approach this differently. Is there a list of packages that are installed in a "default" install?
14:48*babilen would throw a !~M and ~pstandard in the mix if you aim for a list of packages you should keep
14:48<rss>diederik, Sorry missed thatQ
14:48<rss>diederik, Sorry missed that!
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14:48<diederik>default can be bended as you like ;)
14:49<dlacykusters>I was afraid that was the answer...
14:49<diederik>said in another way, you can also configure the installer
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14:50<diederik>but if you add "|~pstandard", that will probably be the 'default' install
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14:51<diederik>and as babilen pointed out "!~M" will filter out automatically installed packages
14:51<rss>dlacykusters: usually when I install a server the based on debian I go for a base install that is as stripped as i can possibly make it. That means nothing is there that I do not want. I add from base as needed. This is by no means a default install but no deps are broken.
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14:53<Aignail>hi guys i have a prolem whenever i do a fresh install of any deain 6.01 install i can never see any wifi networks
14:54<Aignail>the entire the applet that usually appears on other distros installs isnt there
14:54<babilen>Aignail: Are you on your system right now?
14:54<Aignail>even though iwconfig displays it as wlan everything normal
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14:54<dlacykusters>so, the command line is `aptitude search '~i~prequired|~pimportant|~pstandard'`. Where do I put the !~M?
14:54<Aignail>im on a different os now
14:54<rss>I'll be AFK for a time. Getting takeaway food and some beer. CUL8R
14:54<Aignail>i cant connect to the internet on my deian
14:55<diederik>dlacykusters: at the end
14:55<babilen>Aignail: Well, it is hard to help you without you having access to the system. do you have any way to get online (ethernet for example) with your Debian installation?
14:55<diederik>(it doesn't really matter though)
14:55<Aignail>it says ath9k driver installed and everything seems normal in the terminal
14:55<Aignail>i dont have any ethernet
14:55<diederik>just don't mix it in the ~p ones
14:55<Aignail>ive tried deian mint and it works fine all other debian based distros do
14:56<Aignail>its like my network manager just isnt there
14:56<babilen>Aignail: Ok, what you are missing is the "nm-applet" from network-manager. NetworkManager should be installed by default if you install the Desktop task during the installation. Another thing that might be a problem is that your wireless adaptor is not supported out of the box. This could be due to two reasons: The first being that you need firmware, the second being that the kernel version in Squeeze does not yet support your device
14:56<Aignail>ive even installed the lastest compact wireless drivers and it didnt do anything
14:57<diederik>dlacykusters: seems I was wrong, just don't know where yet
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14:57<Aignail>the kernel is the same as the other distros though
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14:58<Aignail>debian mint is based on squeeze
14:58<Aignail>and it works normal there
14:58<babilen>Aignail: In order you fix the first problem you have a couple of options: 1. Use the netinstall with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) 2. Provide firmware during the installation as detailed in the installmanual 3. Download the required firmware package on a different computer and transfer it on a removable medium and install it manually with "dpkg -i"
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14:58<Aignail>i only have one computer
14:58<babilen>Aignail: Ok, it is unlikely that you need to upgrade the kernel in that case.
14:59<Aignail>shouldnt there e an easier way to do this?
14:59<Class>hey guys i accidentally delete the content of some important txt file
14:59<babilen>Aignail: Are you on a linux box now?
14:59<Class>> example.txt
14:59<Aignail>im on windows now
14:59<Class>is is possible somehow to restore
14:59<Class>the information ?
14:59<babilen>Aignail: Ok, do you know what card you have?
15:00<Aignail>the deian i installed was the officla image from the ldxe site
15:00<babilen>Aignail: ldxe? Do you have a link to that website?
15:00<Class>fml > .ssh/id_rsa now i lost the ssh connection to all machines
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15:01<Aignail>but i tried deian with kde also
15:01<Aignail>was the same thing
15:01<babilen>Aignail: they provide official Debian install images?
15:01<babilen>Aignail: You, it is most likely due to missing firmware.
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15:01<Aignail>the kde one i got from debian mirror
15:01<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
15:01<babilen>Aignail: ^^^
15:01<Aignail>why would i need firmware though all other kernels support it and its the same one?
15:02<babilen>Aignail: They come with the firmware
15:02<Aignail>its a asic atheros 9x series
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15:02<Aignail>ok ill try to do some searches on this see what i cmoe up with
15:03<aaron>could anyone help me get my sound working?
15:03<Aignail>if it doesnt work ill e forceed to use lubuntu =/
15:03<babilen>Hmm, that shouldn't need firmware. Are you sure that the card is not working as it might also simply be a problem with NetworkManager (or NetworkMangler as it is often called) -- Basically run "nm-applet" to get the applet. Also see for information on NetworkManager and for general wifi instructions
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15:03<babilen>!tell Aignail -about ath9k
15:04<Aignail>yea the card seems to e dedected and the ath9k is intalled
15:04<Aignail>itgs like the network manager isnt working
15:04<Aignail>ill try that nm0applet thing
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15:05<aaron>could anyone help me get my sound to work?
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15:05<babilen>Aignail: Good luck! Note that there are other methods to get wireless working too. One is to directly configure wpa-supplicant (read the wiki and /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz) and the other is to use wicd (which I personally prefer)
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15:06<babilen>aaron: Hard, if you don't tell us what your problem is :)
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15:08<aaron>well I just installed with the network install cd and just want to try some streaming internet radio, that should work with vlc
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15:09<aaron>I have tried alsamixer to unmute, and I have tried adduser username to audio group
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15:09<babilen>aaron: What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you?
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15:09<babilen>!alsa checklist
15:09<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
15:09<dlacykusters>diederik: that worked! For the curious, they took out a bunch of stuff like at, bc, dc, ispell, m4, mutt, nfs-common, portmap, procmail, time, etc.
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15:09<babilen>aaron: Please also try the points in the alsa checklist as well as "alsactl init"
15:09<diederik>dlacykusters: great :)
15:10<dlacykusters>diederik: thanks for all your help!
15:10<babilen>dlacykusters: but, but ... you want mutt!
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15:10<aaron>ok where is this also checklist?
15:10<aaron>alsa : )
15:10<babilen>aaron: dpkg just mentioned it
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15:11<aaron>ok will try those'
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15:11<babilen>aaron: Please also check "cat /proc/asound/cards" and check the index of your card(s)
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15:14<aaron>ok I did that proc command what should the output tell us?
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15:14<babilen>aaron: You might want to paste it to
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15:15<sney>it shows you how many sound devices are detected by alsa, and which one is the default
15:15<Blitz>Hi, how can I tell chormium to start, as all other applications, in front of the other windows and not behind?
15:15<aaron>aaron@debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
15:15<aaron> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
15:15<aaron> HDA Intel at 0x94500000 irq 22
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15:16<babilen>aaron: ok, so that is not the problem.
15:16<aaron>good : )
15:17<aaron>what next?
15:17<babilen>aaron: (a lot of people have multiple cards and sometimes the wrong card is used by default)
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15:18<babilen>aaron: You are done with the alsa checklist? Does "speaker-test -t wav" give you anything?
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15:19<aaron>could you repost that alsa check list and I will copy paste it to a text file?
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15:19<babilen>aaron: You mght also want to run;a=blob_plain;f=utils/ and "alsactl init" (actually do the latter first)
15:19<aaron>it scrolled offscreen
15:20<aaron>how do I run that?
15:20<babilen>!tell aaron -about alsa checklist
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15:20<aaron>they have
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15:20<aaron>it scrolled off the screen
15:21<rss>back from shopping
15:21<babilen>aaron: You download and execute it (either with "bash" or by making it executable (chmod u+x /path/to/ and executing it
15:21<grove>aaron: dpkg should have told you in another tab/win a moment ago
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15:22<rss>babilen: you have to try some of this chicken. It's divine!
15:23<aaron>is that recommended on debian?
15:23<babilen>rss: Let me try it in the #debian-offtopic lounge
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15:24<rss>babilen: CU there
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15:29<eb3ha4el>is XP faster than win 7 in ordinary com spec like single core CPU for ordinary task?
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15:30<rss>eb3ha4el: you are asking this here?
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15:30<babilen>eb3ha4el: Try ##windows on
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15:30<rss>eb3ha4el: is your question samba related?
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15:34<aaron>ok ran script
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15:38<rss>babilen: what up with aaron? I run alsa with jackd and pulse. Can I help?
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15:40<stephane>hello everyone, I'm do a screenshot of iceape-chatzilla for
15:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 509] by debhelper
15:41<stephane>who want to say hello to
15:41<aaron>sure if you would : )
15:42<aaron>now what?
15:42<stephane>thank you!
15:42<stephane>You're happy?
15:42<stephane>thanks, it's done
15:43<aaron>sound configuration ok what next?
15:43<rss>who is stephane? and why is he talking to himself?
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15:44<aaron>everything look ok?
15:45<stephane>I'm probably a bot ;)
15:45<stephane>good bye
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15:48<rss>aaron: I missed the beginning of the conversation. If you would, help my limited psychic powers, to explain your problem again.
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15:56<rss>babilen: I guess aaron is a timeout?
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16:02<aaron>no still here just checked screeen
16:02<lee-0>When you have the debugging package of something installed, is the executable being changed out, or does it remain the same and what´s in the debugging package is only additional information?
16:02<aaron>just finished list
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16:04<aaron>how o exit irssi?
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16:06<CyL>Hi, I'm having a hard time connecting to a wireless router... while trying to connect to it, I set up the connection, but Network Manager just seems to be unable to connect. Strangely, other machines running Windows can connect to the same router. Any advice on this please?
16:07<sney>CyL: is it just that router or does wireless networking fail in general? you might need firmware for your wifi driver
16:07<rhada>trying to a simple command but unexpected outcome if a directory name has a file inside the diredtory that has the same name how to rename the file inside
16:07<rss>CyL: what sney said. what chipset do you use and is the firmware loaded
16:08<CyL>sney: Just that wireless router... on other routher I am able to connect, however, my board indeed needs firmware, which I believe was downloaded by the apt system while I configured it
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16:08<rhada>ie dirextory name cleanfeed file name cleanfeed
16:08<sney>firmware doesn't usually get installed by default
16:08<sney>mv cleanfeed/cleanfeed cleanfeed/foo
16:08<CyL>rss: it is a broadcom bcm4312
16:09<rss>CyL,: what chipset do you use? what sney said about firmware holds. unless forced and or completely free it does not by default install
16:09<sney>that would be the b43-lpphy-installer package, I think.
16:09<dpkg>b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
16:10<CyL>sney: Yes I know, but I have followed a Debian wiki specifically on this, wich IIRC included a step to download the firmware
16:10<sney>ah, ok
16:10<sney>encryption on the router?
16:10<CyL>WPA/WPA2 PSK
16:10<rss>CyL, does lsmod say the modules are installed?
16:11<CyL>rss: yep, the modules are even used by other modules
16:11<sney>do you have wpasupplicant installed / does the other router you connected to have the same encryption?
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16:12<rss>Cy sounds good.wpasupplicant is wher to look as sney says
16:12<rhada>sney if i want to rename the file cleanfeed inside the directory cleanfeed to what is the command please
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16:12<sney>rhada: same as I said, but with your thing instead of foo
16:13<CyL>sney: wpasupplicnt is installed, for instance I am able to connect to my own cell phone while it acting as a router, with the same auth scheme
16:13<rhada>sney: ok thanks
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16:16<rss>CyL: Does your AP expect a passphrase of a KEY? passphrase being something short that gets passed to a hash function or a full hash key ( the last is usually long)
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16:17<CyL>rss: it expects the value to be hashed
16:17<CyL>the string stating more properly
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16:20<CyL>paulo: welcome :)
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16:20<CyL>goodbye :(
16:21<rss>Cyl: passpharse is a reasonably memorable thing that is hashed. a full hash is not parsed. and must be supplied in full. often your wpa supplicant.conf will have a psk="something"
16:21<CyL>rss: lol, I know exactly what a hash is... I'm entering the string that will be input to the hash fucntion, believe me :)
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16:22<rss>Cyl: passpharse is a reasonably memorable thing that is hashed. a full hash is not parsed. and must be supplied in full. often your wpa supplicant.conf will have a #psk="something" and a psk=somethingelse. The psk= with qoutes is the passphrase psk without is the hashed value
16:22<CyL>rss: Just restating, I'm using Network Manager, that canme by default with Debian (and seriously considering changing it to Wicd)
16:22<rhada>sney: mv: cannot move `/etc/news/cleanfeed/cleanfeed' to `cleanfeed/': No such file or directory
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16:22<rss>CyL: I use wicd myself,
16:23<sney>rhada: I'm not going to walk you through how relative paths work. One of these things is not like the other. sort it out, it's not difficult
16:23<CyL>rss: Are there any people who memorize a hash value?
16:23<CyL>rss: ;)
16:23<rss>CyL: I use a 48 byte passphrase!
16:23<rhada>sney: thanks I love debian but please chill out
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16:24<CyL>rss: Well, I'll go for the wicd approach then, will just finish downloading a huge file that is in the middle of it's way through the wired connection first... thanks :)
16:24<rss>CyL: Uhm i said 48, but my router does not accept that I use a 47 byte passphrase
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16:25<CyL>rss: most probably you should multiples of some block size for the router to be able to hash them?
16:25<rss>CyL: use the longest that your router will accept!
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16:25<CyL>rss: The router is not mine...
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16:26<CyL>rss: However We are fairly secure around here, there aren't any good rainbow tables in my local language yet (at least not public ones)...
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16:27<rss>CyL: I use actual key not passphrase. to make key I use a 48byte passphrase
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16:28<omni>Does anyone know the location of Plugins for Iceweasel? Or, can anyone tell me how to install Flashplayer (apt-get install adobe-flashplugin doesnt work..)
16:28<CyL>rss: that is why you can't input a 47 byte value
16:28<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
16:28<Arrowmaster>CyL: large rainbow tables wouldnt be localized
16:28<Arrowmaster>they wouldnt need to be
16:28<CyL>Arrowmaster: Yes, you've got a good point
16:28<jhutchins>omni: There are about eight possible locations for plugins.
16:28<sney>omni: the package is called flashplugin-nonfree and you need to enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list
16:29<CyL>Arrowmaster: unless there are specific local characters
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16:29<CyL>!tell omni anout adobe flash
16:29<CyL>!tell omni about adobe flash
16:30<Arrowmaster>for wpa/wpa2 the best defense against rainbow tables is to not use a default ssid since the ssid is used as the hash salt
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16:30<CyL>Arrowmaster: Yes, I already changed the default SSID
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16:30<omni>jhutchins, sney, CyL: ty all, got it.. Adobe should update their damn page..
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16:31<rss>CyL: sample of passphrase + key: phrase psk="icnGTfTXqbTAypOZxockFhHOiAUvu70V9m6qpYJBgr1Vtebp3GOBLoEss+VvIC/" gives key psk=d618b713e774104fbaf9ade67bc0d792c7eea0081c398dae7ca7dd63035edbfc Key in quotes is a passphrase without is hashed value
16:31<jhutchins>omni: This method is specific to current releases of Debian, not Adobe.
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16:31<CyL>rss: or it may be a binary value in encoded form
16:32<rss>CyL: no version in quotes is passphrase without is key
16:32<omni>jhutchins, got'cha..
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16:33<CyL>jhutchins_lt: wellcome commander :)
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16:33<CyL>jhutchins_lt: is lt short for lieutenant ?
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16:36<rss>CyL: type wpa_passphrase <ssid> where ssid is your ssid
16:36<rss>CyL: command will ask for passphrase
16:36<jhutchins>CyL: Um, actually it's for the Lap Top downstairs.
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16:37<rss>CyL: output will be passphrase in qoutes an key without
16:37<jhutchins>CyL: With wonky wifi. You'll also see me here as jhutchins_wk on the few occasions that I go into the office without the laptop.
16:37<CyL>jhutchins: lol, sorry :)
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16:38<jhutchins>I _was_ a Lieutennant in the Baronial Guard, but that was a couple of decades ago.
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16:39<rss>CyL: still with me?
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16:39<rss>CyL: wpa_passphrase accept commandline argument SSID
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16:40<CyL>rss: Yes buddy, but eill only try this later, I'm in the middle of a huge file download trough the wired connectin, I rather finish this first, but thanks very much for you kindness
16:40<rss>CyL: OK, sorry if I seemed insistent. Did not mean t be pushy.
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16:41<CyL>rss: Nope, you were great :)
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16:44<rss>CyL: THX. Check man wpa_passphrase
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16:45<CyL>rss: okay :)
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16:46<rss>OK it's 22:45 here. going to sign off and get some sleep. CUL8R
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16:53<riley>yo- how do i get syntax highlighting to work in vim?
16:54<riley>in every other disto, :syntax on works
16:54<riley>but not in debian
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16:54<riley>infact, vim is all messed up
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16:55<Arrowmaster>install real vim
16:55<riley>is the vim in lenny like heirloom vim or smth?
16:55<jhutchins_lt>riley: aptitude install vimnox
16:56<riley>what is vimnox?
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16:56<Arrowmaster>just 'vim' is fine
16:56<jhutchins_lt>riley: Default is vim-minimal. Might be vim-nox, it's everything except the Xwindows stuff.
16:56<Arrowmaster>default is vim-tiny
16:56<riley>ah- that's so lame
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16:57<jhutchins_lt>riley: Defaulting to the minimum instead of the kitchen sink is a good policy in my opinion.
16:57<jhutchins_lt>riley: I happen to want the kitchen sink, but I can install that.
16:57<jhutchins_lt>Arrowmaster: Do you have to update-alternatives too?
16:57<ZykoticK9>The lack of arrow key support in vim-tiny drives me crazy, one of the first things I always install is vim
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16:58<riley>if want the minimum, what no just use ed?
16:58<Arrowmaster>it should do it automatically
17:00<jhutchins_lt>edlin ftw!
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17:25<riley_>i made a new latex theme
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17:50<cirzgamanti>i'd like to know the temp of my cpu while running debian (the BIOS can display it), but acpi -t does not work, and i only have button/ and wakeup in /proc/acpi. am i out of luck?
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17:51<grove>cirzgamanti: Try lm-sensors
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17:54<jcnr>hola donde me puedo unir a programadores en c
17:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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17:55<cirzgamanti>grove: thx that worked :)
17:55<cirzgamanti>strange, yesterday my cpu was peaking 95°C while idling, now it's around 36°C and running for hours...
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17:59<jcnr>hi where I can develop in c in this community
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18:01<dpkg>is is, like, the country code for iceland
18:01<cirzgamanti>aw :(
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18:39<rah>where can I get old versions of packages that have been replaced by newer versions?
18:40<dpkg> is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old site that is no longer maintained.
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18:53<creo>hi my debian install for some reason did not create a user account. can i make one from thte shell?
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18:54<creo>useradd -d
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18:55<rah>E: Release file expired, ignoring (invalid since 198d 20h 33min 30s)
18:56<rah>how can I get apt to ignore the expiration of that?
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18:58<creo>damn i enabled four cores lol
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18:58<dubert>Is there a way to checkout a package in its non-built form (not via apt-get source) ?
18:58<creo>user add worked
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19:00<daemonkeeper>dubert: What's your problem with apt-get source?
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19:02<creo>i guess i had a quard core this whole time and had no idea how bout that
19:05<rah>creo: are you sure you don't just have hyper-threading?
19:05<creo>how do i reset my root passwd
19:05<creo>yea i think thats what it is
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19:05<rah>try "sudo passwd root"
19:05<dubert>daemonkeeper: my current sources list only has lenny backports for deb-src and I'm lookign for a squeeze pkg
19:06<daemonkeeper>So? Add a src-line for Squeeze
19:06<creo>not in the suderoers file ><
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19:07<rah>creo: boot with a boot disk/cd/usb-drive in rescue mode
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19:07<creo>iam thank you
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19:24<slug0>what channel should i go to for java?
19:24<creo>can i change partitons
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19:27<babilen>slug0: ##java on comes to mind
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19:33<core->my partitions are all messed up :(
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19:50<pretendo>what kind of file system is recomended
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19:52<tharkun>pretendo: file system performance is directly related on what type of files you put on it. And the amount of those you might be storing
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19:55<pretendo>hrm ok
19:55<pretendo>can a /boot partition be used for linux and windows?
19:56<cthuluh>does windows understand what is a /boot partition?
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19:56<daemonkeeper>Of course it doesn't.
19:56<daemonkeeper>Unless you format it in vfat
19:57<pretendo>well in windows 7 it makes a seperate partition or atleast it has
19:57<pretendo>its just that in windows my lan wont work :(
19:57<pretendo>so nvm
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20:37<blal>Hello, all. I have a large monitor and a new-ish graphics card. The file /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not exist (by design). The fonts are painfully small. It hurts my eyes to read the screen. Plz help.
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21:34<kop>Too bad blal went away. I know the answer.
21:34<kop>!kernel mode switching
21:34<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
21:36<sney>doesn't nouveau also support it now?
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21:44<Arrowmaster>yeah i think so
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21:47<ZykoticK9>do you know a method to test for kms usage? Xorg and "lspci -vnvn" certainly say nouveau is the kernel driver in use, and my virtual console (F1-F6) certainly appear to be at a high resolution (but I also don't know how to verify this resolution either)?
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22:07<kop>ZykoticK9: Unless you have a character based console that's 80 chars across and 24 down then you're using kms.
22:08<ZykoticK9>kop, well I certainly have more then that :) if it's 1920x1200 i couldn't say for sure. Thanks for the input, interesting that I can't "prove" it.
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22:11<kop>ZykoticK9: You probably can. I've never bothered to figure out how.
22:11<kop>ZykoticK9: Probably something in /sys.
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22:18<trahm93>Hey can anyone help me out? I just installed Debian and I have some questions about my ATI Radeon HD5770 graphics card
22:19<sney>what questions
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22:19<trahm93>well, I installed the proprietary driver from ATI's website
22:19<trahm93>I rebooted as well
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22:20<trahm93>and the graphics are really choppy...
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22:20<trahm93>and the fan on my card is running at 100% constantly
22:20<trahm93>in Windows the fan only runs at 100% when the card is way too hot
22:20<sney>we can't help you if you used the ati installer, try #ati on
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22:21<trahm93>Ok. Out of curiosity, is there a different way I can install the driver?
22:21<sney>yes, though I'm not sure what degree of breakage will be introduced by running ati's uninstall
22:21<sney> has the information
22:21<trahm93>I'll check that out, thanks
22:23<trahm93>Sney, should I uninstall the current drivers before installing them the way the link you gave me says?
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22:24<sney>I would, but you may wind up having to reinstall X as well. I know the nvidia installer nukes Xorg if you run the uninstall option. I don't have much experience with Ati's but I doubt it respects the running OS
22:24<trahm93>alright. I'll try the uninstall
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22:31<trahm93>alright I had to reboot because for someone Debian kept thinking that there was a lock on the package manager
22:31<trahm93>when there wasn't
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22:32<aussa>any good FLAC ripper?
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22:34<strefli3>aussa, I use grip, seems to do the trick.
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22:43<Sheldon>I want to learn english though radio, but I can't find a software in my Ubuntu
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22:44<Sheldon>Can anybody recommend me one?
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22:49<chealer>!tell Sheldon about ubuntu
22:50<Abbott>hi guys
22:50<Abbott>hey i was wondering about local file sharing
22:50<Abbott>like hook up this computer to another with an ethernet to copy files
22:50<Abbott>do i have to enable access or anything to get my computer to share files while live booted into knoppix?
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22:53<dvs>Abbott: You'll have to export the directory you want to share.
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22:59<strefli3>Abbott, What do you mean by share files? read only? Is the sharing going to be long term or just a few files?
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23:15<Max00>Hi guys, I'm trying to install gnome on my Debian 6 Squeeze 64bit system. I'm running the following command and I'm getting an "aptitud fail (255)" error.
23:15<Max00>tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install
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23:17<Max00>after looking at the aptitude logs I found this line -> "IMPORTANT: this log only lists intended actions; actions which fail due to dpkg problems may not be completed.
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23:19<Max00>in the dpkg.log I found many "half configured package" lines..
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23:19<Max00>since I'm not an experience user, I don't know how to proceed.. could you enlighten my path guys ?
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23:21<nelson_>alguien habla espanol
23:21<Max00>nelson, entra al canal debian-es
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23:23<Max00>any idea? :(
23:23<chealer>Max00: is X installed?
23:23<Max00>chealer, I don't know :$
23:24<chealer>Max00: what happens if you run # apt-get install xserver-xorg; ?
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23:24<Max00>let's check
23:26<Max00>I got an error about unmet dependencies (suggesting to execute 'apt-get -f install')
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23:26<Max00>chealer, I think this is because the broken installation
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23:28<chealer>Max00: what is this install? when was the installation done?
23:29<Max00>chealer, Debian 6 Squeeze 64bit over software raid 5 and LVM2. It was installed today
23:29<nelson_>ya lo hice pero no hay nadiee :(
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23:30<chealer>Max00: by you? how did the installation go?
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23:30<Max00>I did
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23:31<Max00>chealer, no problems during installation.. I needed the system asap so I made the most basic installation
23:32<Max00>chealer, with only the core files
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23:32<chealer>Max00: and your first issue was when you tried installing GNOME?
23:33<Max00>chealer, yes
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23:35<chealer>Max00: how experienced are you with GNU/Linux? did you ever manage a system with an APT-based package manager?
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23:37<Max00>chealer, I've used linux for some time, but I'm not an expert administrator
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23:39<Max00>chealer, I hoped to find something in the logs, but...
23:39<chealer>Max00: you could provide us the output of # apt-get -f install; but if you're not comfortable with the terminal, I suggest you re-install and select desktop environment in the installer
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23:40<Max00>I'm ok with the terminal :) it is the first time I try to install GDM
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23:41<chealer>Max00: are you on IRC from a different machine?
23:42<Max00>chealer, it is asking to install maaaany packages and dependencies (all related gnome or GUI kind apps)
23:43<Max00>chealer, I'm on a different machine, yes.
23:45<Max00>chealer, well.. apt-get -f install throw hundreds of (Broken pipe) errors
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23:45<beumac>New to linux...just downloaded xchat, how do I install it =p
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23:47<chealer>Max00: that doesn't sound good, but if you want to recover that install, provide us the output. you could transfer it to the machine you're on using a USB key for example.
23:47<chealer>Max00: if that sounds too painful, I suggest again to reinstall, perhaps avoiding RAID and LVM for this time
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23:48<chealer>beumac: which desktop environment do you use? do you have Synaptic Package Manager?
23:48<beumac>Just the regular ubuntu setup and no I doubt it, literally just installed it like an hour ago
23:48<Max00>chealer, and how can I share the log with you?
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23:49<chealer>Max00: put it in a pastebin and send us the link
23:49<chealer>beumac: this is Debian's support channel.
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23:50<Prathibha>While installing debian from internet using mini iso I get the error as "Loading debootstrap-udeb failed for unknown reason". How to solve it?
23:50<beumac>lol, I thought ubuntu was mistake. this stock irc client automatically connected here.
23:51<beumac>Suggestions on where I should go?
23:51<chealer>!tell beumac about ubuntu
23:51<chealer>Prathibha: what iso exactly?
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23:52<Prathibha>chealer, that is netboot iso image
23:52<chealer>Prathibha: which one?
23:52<Prathibha>chealer, debian
23:53<chealer>Prathibha: which URL did you use to download your image?
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23:56<Nemoder>Max00: No space left on device <--
23:56<chealer>Max00: as Nemoder said... how much space is in your root ($ df)
23:56<Prathibha>chealer, but the normal installation, that is installation from the CD works fine.
23:57<Max00>wow... I did not noticed that :S
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23:58<chealer>Prathibha: I have to go, but did you check the BTS?
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23:58<Prathibha>chealer, whta is BTS
23:58<Max00>chealer, 2GB
23:58<chealer>!tell Prathibha about bts
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23:59<nmcbride>has anyone gotten vmware workstation working with 2.6.38-2?
23:59<nmcbride>I can't find a patch to work
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23:59<Max00>chealer, well.. it was supposed to don't have a GDM.. but.. it was required, then
23:59<chealer>Max00: that's definitely not much space for a desktop unless you'd have several partitions
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