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---Logopened Tue May 24 00:00:02 2011
00:01<Max00>chealer, I have partitions for root, home, usr/local, var, tmp
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00:01<Max00>chealer, as I said, it was not supposed prior installation, to install the graphic interface
00:02<Max00>chealer, how many Gigs do you recommend to the root partition, considering my partitions scheme?
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00:03<nmcbride>Max00: why not just do an LVM setup and you can always shrink it after the fact?
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00:04<Max00>nmcbride, that's my idea now ! but I need to get the experts opinions regarding how many gigs for root.
00:04<nmcbride>If you are seperating it out into and LVM it really doesn't matter though cause you can adjust it after the fact.
00:05<nmcbride>I would recomend you leave a gig or two free in your volume group though
00:06<nmcbride>What are you planning on seperating from your root?
00:06<Nemoder>30gb should be more than plenty for root
00:06<Max00>I'm think 4 will work, but I want to me sure
00:06<nmcbride>I have a few partitions
00:07<nmcbride> /, /opt, /usr/local, /tmp, /var, /home
00:07<nmcbride>This is a new sid install freshly updated
00:07<nmcbride> / = 3.1G
00:08<Max00>it is for a lab
00:08<Max00>it was a requirement to partition the disk in that way
00:08<nmcbride>i'm kind of a security fanatic so my is probably way more then needed
00:08<nmcbride>what were the four you were going to do?
00:09<Max00>30gb for root? isn't too excessive? xD
00:09<Nemoder>not for how much software i install :)
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00:09<nmcbride>Nemoder aparently hasn't seperated many partitions out from root :D
00:09<Max00>lol
00:09<nmcbride>which is totally cool
00:09<Nemoder>just home
00:10<nmcbride>right
00:10<ZykoticK9>Does anyone have details regarding mozilla.debian.net failing during update for the last few days? I saw someone dent about it yesterday.
00:10<nmcbride>Max00: what 4 partitions are you going to do
00:10<nmcbride>Max00: I'll give you my sizes from my fresh install
00:10<Max00>oh, I already have the partitions
00:10<nmcbride>so why are you asking now lol?
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00:11<Max00>--> /, /home, /usr/local, /tmp, /var
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00:12<nmcbride> / = 3.1, /opt = 235M, /usr/local = 151M, /var = 1.3G, /tmp = 147M
00:13<Max00>"I'm think 4 will work, but I want to me sure" <---- that was regarding my previous question to chealer
00:14<nmcbride>It'll probably be right up there.
00:14<nmcbride>Within a GB I mean.
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00:14<nmcbride>But it should be alright.
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00:14<nmcbride>Just make sure you don't dump a lot into /opt
00:14<Max00>nmcbride, I'll set a few ones.. ther's 2TB of space in the raid
00:15<Nemoder>hm I am up to 2,680 packages installed now
00:15<nmcbride>firefox, the flash-plugin, and thunderbird seem to have dropped some stuff into /opt
00:15<Max00>Nemoder, wwoow.. that's why you use 30GB for root!
00:15<Nemoder>yea :)
00:16<nmcbride>Nemoder, are you using lvm atleast?
00:16<Nemoder>no
00:16<Max00>yes
00:16<nmcbride>ouch
00:16<Max00>oh, sorry
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00:16<Max00>ouch?
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00:16<Max00>he is an extremist !
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00:17<nmcbride>I've been burn to many times by /var/log filling up to where I'll always seperate /var into it's own partition, and / or reserve a few GB of space in the Volume Group so if it does fill I can add it to the logical volume for recovery
00:17<Nemoder>i use baobab now and then to track usage
00:17<nmcbride>In his setup if something goes crazy and logs get written like crazy is / will fill and his system will become a major pain
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00:18<Nemoder>I've never had var fill up, but this is strictly a desktop system, not much in the way of services on it
00:19<nmcbride>Yea just speaking from experience.
00:19<nmcbride>It may never happen to ya.
00:19<nmcbride>But it could.
00:21<nmcbride>Anyone know which patch I need for vmware-workstation with the 2.6.38-2 kernel?
00:21<nmcbride>Can't seem to find one that works.
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00:22<Max00>well guys, I'm leaving, I just wanted to thank chealer and you both guys for your help.
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00:23<Max00>thanks Nemoder nmcbride chealer !
00:26<nmcbride>welcome
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00:49<Infiltrator>Does anybody here know how to set up exim?
00:50<jm_>!drec Infiltrator
00:50<dpkg>Infiltrator: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root
00:52<Infiltrator>jm_: Figured that part out on my own; but how do I make it _work_?
00:52<jm_>Infiltrator: make what work?
00:56<Infiltrator>Well, I entered the SMPT server as smtp.gmail.com:587 and then edited /etc/exim4/passwd.client, but it still doesn't authenticate.
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01:00<ayaka>does we have somthing like ghost server in m$ ?
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01:01<sney>my personal policies prevent me from giving you a serious answer, ayaka
01:02<ayaka>serious ? why ? Do I do anything wrong ?
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01:03<jm_>perhaps test if SMTP AUTH works first by using swaks
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01:03<sney>but maybe if you sacrifice a goat and chant "bill gates is the devil" backwards, you'll simultaneously stop doing silly things like writing ms with a dollar sign, AND great satan bill gates will appear in a vision and tell you about clonezilla.
01:07<ayaka>sney, clonezilla I know, you said DRBL
01:08<Infiltrator>sney: I've lost your point. :P
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01:08<ayaka>but it takes too much space
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01:10<chealer>ZykoticK9: see http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2058
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01:11<Infiltrator>jm_: How do I use swaks to test it? I get as far as
01:11<Infiltrator>$ swaks --server smtp.gmail.com --port 587
01:12<Infiltrator>...
01:12<Infiltrator>530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. vr5sm2914162icb.0 -> QUIT
01:12<ZykoticK9>chealer, thanks.
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01:13<sney>"m$" makes you look about as intelligent as a hipster with a Che Guevara poster. it's something we normally only see in the 12-year-olds who run the backtrack livecd and wind up in here by accident.
01:13<jm_>Infiltrator: tried this http://www.jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/latest/doc/ref.txt ?
01:13<sney></ot>
01:14<Infiltrator>sney: |\/|$4lyf
01:15<sney>use what you like, hate what you don't, whatever. my only request is that you - and everyone here - make at least a token attempt to not look like a dumbass.
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01:16<Infiltrator>sney: |)u|\/|a$$ ur$elf
01:16<Infiltrator>jm_: Host did not advertise authentication
01:16<Infiltrator>using swaks --server smtp.gmail.com --port 587 --to Lt.Infiltrator@gmail.com --from Lt.Infiltrator@gmail.com --auth-user Lt.Infiltrator@gmail.com
01:16<sney>ayaka: if clonezilla wasn't good enough, and you'd already done some research, can you see how a question like "Hi, I want to deploy debian on a bunch of systems, but clonezilla is too heavy. any other suggestions?" might have elicited a more useful response?
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01:18<jm_>Infiltrator: are you sure you need to use smtp auth at all?
01:18<ayaka>sney, I'm sorry , because my english is so poor, I don't want to say much
01:18<Infiltrator>ayaka: Don't worry about him; somebody useful will come along soon.
01:19<ayaka>Infiltrator, I'm sorry, I don't know what you said
01:19<Infiltrator>jm_: Well, if I leave out the --auth-user command, it gives me "530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first" again.
01:21<jm_>Infiltrator: well tls and auth are two separate topics, perhaps try --tlso as the man page says
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01:22<jm_>that is actually -tlso or --tls-optional
01:23<Infiltrator>jm_: Yeah, but that just gives TLS not available: requires Net::SSLeay and then continues as otherwise.
01:24<sney>ayaka: the real answer is: g4u. Next time, ask technical questions with no politics.
01:25<ayaka>sney, politics? what is it?
01:25<sney>ask your dictionary
01:26<jm_>Infiltrator: uhm so install it, swaks package recommends it for a reason
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01:26<Infiltrator>jm_: Sorry; didn't pay attention to the recommendeds when I installed it.
01:27<jm_>Infiltrator: the easy way out when you see perl modules mentioned like this is simply: apt-cache search Net::SSLeay or apt-file search Net/SSLeay
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01:31<Infiltrator>jm_: I see. I know next to nothing about perl, so I didn't realise that was a missing module.
01:32<Infiltrator>However, thank you; swaks can now successfully send a test email.
01:32<Infiltrator>Now I have to try to get exim working. :P
01:33<jm_>Infiltrator: what did you put in passwd.client?
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01:34<Infiltrator>*.google.com:Lt.Infiltrator@gmail.com:my.password
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01:37<Infiltrator>jm_: Excellent; it works now. Thank you very much for your help
01:37<jm_>Infiltrator: no worries, I didn't do anything useful anyway
01:37<Infiltrator>Well, sending, at least.
01:37<Infiltrator>Whatever you did, it worked. :P
01:38<Infiltrator>Should I bother testing/setting up receiving? I only needed it to work for reportbug to send a bug report.
01:38<jm_>I haven't tried using exim with google's mail servers yet, only with exchange at work
01:38<jm_>receive should be simpler with pop3 or imap (i.e. fetchmail or your MUA)
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01:39<Infiltrator>Don't have one installed, I don't think...
01:39<Infiltrator>Well, that's a job for another day then, I guess.
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02:03<ruslan_osmanov>hi! I cannot figure out why Vim does auto syntax highlighting. could you help me please?
02:05<ruslan_osmanov>For instance, when file has it's first line beginning with #!/bin/sh, filetype is sh. When it begins with ";".... I don't even know such kind of syntax highlighting. However, it should be config filetype
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02:09<Maulkin>ruslan_osmanov: try #vim on irc.freenode.net
02:10<ruslan_osmanov>Maulkin, already there. Thx
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02:12<jm_>ruslan_osmanov: you can change it to a different type if you want
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02:23<ruslan_osmanov>jm_, fixed. I had to add set ml in ~/.vimrc and ; set ft=cfg: modeline
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02:54<cq>hello, something seems weird with openoffice... I just installed a new squeeze, removed openoffice.org-common and -core, and half of gnome disappeared with it... seems a weird dependency ...
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03:04<steve__>hi- how do i write a shell script to run 6 programs at the same time?
03:04<steve__>like- each job will take an hour
03:04<steve__>but i have 6 cpus
03:05<steve__>so i want them all running at once
03:05<jm_>start them in background
03:05<melmothX>steve__: job1 &
03:05<steve__>ok
03:07<toabctl>how can i define a action (write a file) just before shutdown?
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03:08<melmothX>toabctl: add a script to the sysV
03:08<steve__>how can i wait for them all to finish before starting job 7?
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03:09<jm_>steve__: with wait shell built-in
03:09<toabctl>melmothX, but the script should have "start", "stop",... and i only want to execute one shell command. i need something like /etc/rc.local but for shutdown
03:09<steve__>jm_ what is wait?
03:10<jm_>steve__: type 'help wait' in bash
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03:11<steve__>ok
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03:12<melmothX>toabctl: the start can do nothing
03:13<melmothX>and you can enable it only at some runlevels
03:13<jm_>or just add relevant K symlink
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03:14<melmothX>man update-rc.d
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03:37<ganesh>hi
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03:40<saleem>hello, anyone using liquorix kernels?
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03:42<cq>is there any way to see what apt is doing from a different window than the one its running in?
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03:44<@weasel>dpkg.log?
03:46<saleem>any idea what is the different between liquorix kernels and dmz liquorix kernels?
03:47<cq>ah, got it /var/log/apt/term.log
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04:43<CyberCalm>hey folks, question.. is ther a safe way to remove unused locales
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04:45<mjt>you mean /usr/share/locale/*, to save disk space maybe?
04:46<CyberCalm>I guess so, but yes to save disk space
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04:48<mjt>it's usually not worth the errort
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04:48<CyberCalm>BleachBit has an option to do it, i might use that..
04:48<mjt>my whole system with a lot of stuff installed fits in a 8Gb partition on a 2Tb drive.
04:49<mjt>so even if I'll nuke it all it'll be a tiny fraction of a disk space :)
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04:49<mjt>oh, it's 6gb not 8 ;)
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04:52<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>hoi
04:53<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>hallo geeft antwoord
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04:53<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>hello
04:53<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>yo
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04:53<nina>haaaaai
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04:53<nina>nu gaan we wel hier zitte vervelen
04:53<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>ja he toch laat ze luleln
04:53<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>hoereloeders
04:53<nina>lalalalalalalalalalallalalalala
04:54<nina>ja linda
04:54<nina>idd
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>aalallaaaaaaaaaaklgsjg
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>kjglasjgldgjdslj
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>jgdkljksgjioegtinabbgueiwg
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>dslkglklsklk;kpqwibnefosnfiew
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04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>lsdlaowoemdncnef
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>ja nina je bent nu zo bekend
04:54<Guest2001>wij gaan gewoon met zn 2en praten
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>lekker voor je hahahaa
04:54<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>yes
04:54<Guest2001>yeeaaaaaah ik heet anders yeaaaaah
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>hai chris
04:55<Guest2001>woeehooeee
04:55<Guest2001>mensen ik ben ninaaaa
04:55<Guest2001>neee ik ben geen chris ik ben ninaaaaaaaa
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>ja jj bent nina
04:55<Guest2001>ninaaaaaa
04:55<Guest2001>ninaaaaaaaaa
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>nee chris is heir iook
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>ik ben linda
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>lindaaaaa
04:55<Guest2001>ninaaaaaaa
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>lindaaaaa
04:55<xxxxxlindaxxxx1>LINDAAAHHAAA
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04:55<Guest2001>ninaaaaaaa
04:55<Guest2001>ninaaaaaaa
04:55<Guest2001>ninaaaa
04:55<Guest2001>doe no0rmaal schop linda dr niet uit kutmongolen
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04:56<xxxxlindaaxxx>ben er weer
04:56<Guest2001>stelletje kut pinguing
04:56<xxxxlindaaxxx>ga mij er niet uitschoppen mngolen
04:56<Guest2001>s
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04:56<Guest2001>haaalooooo daar ben ik lekker weer ik ben flip de beer bij wie kan ik logeren wie is dat deze keer
04:56<xxxxlindaaxxx>wij hebben pauze doei doei DOEI DOEI
04:56<Guest2001>daaaaaaag
04:57<xxxxlindaaxxx>halllooo daar ben ik weer, ik ben flip de beer! bij wie mag ik logeren? wie is dat deze keer!?!?!
04:57<Guest2001>lindaaaa ga mij niet naapen
04:57<xxxxlindaaxxx>na-apen
04:57<Guest2001>lalalalalalaaaallllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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04:57<bluewater>any moment now, i reckon
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05:06<Guest2003>Hi, has svn.d.o/alioth been rebuilt in the last weeks? I'm getting the dreaded "IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!" rsa key mismatch with my known_hosts when I try to svn commit. ?
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05:08<mjt>alioth has been replaced/removed. the dust hasn't settled yet, the conversion/move is still in progress
05:08<mjt>you can use sshfp (dns-based) ssh keys
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05:08<sylock>hello. I have a problem with SNMP and centreon with Debian Squeeze. I installed snmp-mibs-downloader and comment out in /etc/snmp/snmp.conf. I still have an error in centreon for storage devices : "ERROR: Received noSuchName(2) error-status at error-index 4."
05:08<sylock>here is my snmpd.conf modified : http://pastebin.com/abLgWujb
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05:09<sylock>is someone can give me some hint?
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05:09<Guest2003>mjt: tx
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05:14<bscherre>Hi, I'm looking for a way to recreate a user every reboot; principally do a "userdel -r user" and "adduser" every reboot (so the userprofil is freshly taken from /etc/skel). Is there an easy way to do this?
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05:15<bscherre>additionally, I need to do this before gdm starts, so rc.local is not an option (I think)
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05:50<goddamn>has someone tried to use btrfs under squeeze?
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05:51<goddamn>it seems that mounting snapshots doesn't work
05:52<goddamn>and listing of listing
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05:54<cq>is iceweasel not up to 4.0 yet ?!?
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05:55<babilen>cq: It is available from http://mozilla.debian.net
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05:55<Good-maN>cq in experimental it is 4.0.1
05:55<imran-uk>debian squeeze i386 - anyone else have the "BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze)" issue?
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05:56<imran-uk>seems to be related to http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates
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05:57<cq>Good-maN: oh, hasn't made it to testing yet then? any idea when it will be there? it's been out for a while...
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06:09<infin8>hey is this an appropriate chan to ask a backtrack question?
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06:10<arand>!backtrack
06:10<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
06:11<infin8>thankyou
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06:23<svpuk>все привет
06:24<svpuk>как поставить debian 6 на RAID5
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06:25<ansgar>!ru
06:25<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
06:26<mjt>um. the dreaded koi8-r on debian-russian... :)
06:26<svpuk>ok
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06:28<mjt>doesn't d-i support "fakeraid" out of the box?
06:28<mark>Hello All. Can anyone here explain to me if I can have an idea of diff deb packages for deployment of code. Similar to an idea of incremental backup where I have the beginning package with say 4GB of code to be installed. And then changes we'd like a deb package containing just our changes of code but also for it to delete files we know we dont want. All in a much smaller deb file that would consist of a few meg's in size as our releases are so often and we
06:28<mark>change a few files at a time (thus don't want the servers to be downloading another 4GB package all over again)?
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06:29<mjt>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid -- like this
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06:30<petemc>mark: i think there was an attempt at a way to use deltas (possible called debdelta) not sure how successful it was/is
06:30<mjt>mark: it can be done in a much more efficient way actually, by using something like xdelta between contents of two deb archives.
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06:31<mjt>i once wrote a ting script - debdelta/debpatch (not the same as debdelta in debian) to do just that - it unpacked the .debs, uncompressed the data.tar.gz, xdelta'ed the two, and applied the delta, compressed and packed at the other end. I even managed to keep the .deb signature intact
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06:33<mjt>in the end this turned to be non-productive - apt-get install is easier even if it eats your bandwidth
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06:35<mjt>we had some 60 remote offices connected using plain old dialup modems at that time (33600 is max, 19200 or 9600 is typical) :)
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06:36<mark>This sounds interesting guys thanks. I will check out xdelta. I'm trying to figure out a way to deploy basically loads of PHP and other web related content and packages seemed to be one option. We've always rsynced before which just isn't as nice as something where we could just say ok we've made a code change and out Continuous Integration software has created a new deb package and placed in a repo... 'All servers listen up, run an apt-get install web-data
06:36<mark>please.'
06:37<mjt>rsync is the usual tool for such things
06:38<mjt>fits very nicely
06:38<mjt>or you can use some scm for that, eg git
06:38<mjt>you can say your servers to run rsync now, too
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06:41<mjt>s/say/tell/ anyway
06:41<mark>yea, we're currently using svn and git for other projects. But i've been to meet-ups with people that talk Continuous Int and they don't recommend doing such things as a svn update or git clone or what ever. And rsync although reliable in most situations and i'm agreed very good, its not something i can look to use for deploying our web code anymore. I've heard people talk of packages but downloading a 4GB package seems crazy everytime, but a small package
06:41<mark>everytime would be much better and acceptable.
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07:16<uzu-cat>hello
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07:16<uzu-cat>i'm trying to install mi wireless card drivers
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07:17<uzu-cat>but i'm not getting to make it run
07:17<jm_>which card?
07:17<uzu-cat>this my iwconfig:
07:17<uzu-cat>http://pastebin.com/w58LR48v
07:19<uzu-cat>this is the card: product: BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
07:20<jm_>where did you get the driver from?
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07:23<uzu-cat>i've used this how-to http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy
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07:24<uzu-cat>but this didn't work "ifconfig wlan0 up"
07:25<jm_>from what I can see, firmware-b43-installer tries to download a firmware from the net - did it work?
07:25<uzu-cat>yeap
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07:25<gnugr>uzu-cat: with " lshw -C network " can you see drivers?
07:27<uzu-cat>http://pastebin.com/ZgdAzzzp
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07:28<jm_>well it shows wlan0 - did you try to configure it?
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07:29<uzu-cat>btw, when "ifconfig wlan0 up" got this: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
07:30<uzu-cat>but it appears to be disabled
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07:32<gnugr>uzu-cat: type on terminal : " dmesg | more " to see if drivers are loaded
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07:33<firdaus>hay all
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07:34<firdaus>how areu >
07:34<uzu-cat>it seems like they are not
07:34<uzu-cat>http://pastebin.com/j2QGnApf
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07:35<gnugr>uzu-cat: try to upload them again
07:36<uzu-cat>how?
07:36<jm_>uzu-cat: why did you say downloding of firmware worked?
07:36<gnugr>uzu-cat: no drivers as i can see
07:36<ferni>have you installed firmware-b43-installer ?
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07:37<uzu-cat>yeap
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07:38<firdaus>hay all
07:38<firdaus>do you know about anti aireplay-ng
07:38<firdaus>can yo uhelp me
07:38<uzu-cat>so what do i have to do?
07:38<firdaus>pleeeassss
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07:38<gnugr>!what's my wireless
07:38<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
07:39<gnugr>!wireless
07:39<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
07:39<jm_>if I were you I would do whatever postinst for firmware-b43-installer performs
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07:41<gsimmons>"dpkg-reconfigure firmware-b43-installer" can be used to run this again.
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07:41<jm_>gsimmons: does this work even if package is already configured?
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07:42<firdaus>hay , , ,
07:43<jm_>gsimmons: never mind, you said dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg --pending --configure ;)
07:43<firdaus>iam from indonesian . .
07:43<uzu-cat>i think that "dpkg --reconfigure firmware-b43-installer" didn't work
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07:43<jm_>uzu-cat: it's dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg --reconfigure
07:43<ferni>and you have rebooted the machine or at least reloaded the driver?
07:43<firdaus>yes
07:43<uzu-cat>yeap
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07:44<firdaus>that is right
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07:44<firdaus>my broadcom driver no unkwon chipset
07:44<uzu-cat>got this: command not found
07:44<firdaus>whyyyy ?
07:44<jm_>didn't notice config script in debian dir, so I thought dpkg-reconfigure wouldn't work
07:45<firdaus>sudo apt-get --purge firmware-b43-installer
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07:46<ferni>uzu-cat: and you have the firmware file /lib/firmware/b43/ucode13.fw ?
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07:48<uzu-cat>i cannot do that, it says that the operation is not valid
07:48<uzu-cat>@ferni: yes
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08:10<Prathibha>While installing debian from internet using mini iso I get the error as "Loading debootstrap-udeb failed for unknown reason". How to solve it?
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08:12<fix>then dont do that
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08:12<petemc>Prathibha: which iso did you use exactly?
08:13<Prathibha>petemc, Actually we have customized version of debian called BOSS. I used the netboot iso image from that.
08:14<petemc>why use official iso?
08:14<petemc>+not
08:14<Prathibha>petemc, It is retrieving the packages and at the end it is showing this error. Will there be any problem in the deboot-strap package?
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08:14<fix>debian is allergic to curry
08:15<fix>did you spill curry on or near your computer?
08:15<petemc>if you have nothing constructive to add you might as well keep quiet
08:16<fix>how rude
08:16<jm_>Prathibha: perhaps check on tty3 and 4 if there are more details
08:16<jm_>Prathibha: but you should really talk to people who create this ISO, not #debian
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08:17<Prathibha>jm_, I have checked it. It's showing the error on the GUI only. No message in the syslog file. By the way which is the channel for talking with those who create iso.
08:18<jm_>!boss
08:18<dpkg>methinks boss is a powerful, annoying creature, usually devoid of any clue, especially when ordering people around. "Bharat Operating System Solutions" (BOSS), an Indian GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian>; support is at #boss-nrcfoss on irc.freenode.net and http://bosslinux.in/
08:18<jm_>Prathibha: ^^^^^
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08:18<fix>I knew I smelled curry
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09:00<fxm>hello
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09:01<fxm>why
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09:01<fxm>怎么每人
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09:04<Fudgey>hi can someone apt-cache search mangler see if it is in debian squeeze repo for me plz
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09:05<dvs>,info mangler
09:05<judd>No record of package 'mangler' in squeeze/i386.
09:05<Fudgey>thanks so much
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09:07<Prathibha>How to install enigmail in debian squeeze?
09:07<gnugr>.msg dpkg mangler
09:07<gnugr>ops
09:07<gnugr>wrong
09:08<petemc>Prathibha: apt-get install enigmail
09:08<Prathibha>petemc, but I don't see any menu in icedove after enigmail installation
09:10<petemc>i dont use it, but you closed and re-opened ?
09:10<Prathibha>petemc, yes I did it
09:10<petemc>Prathibha: check /usr/share/doc/enigmail/
09:14<babilen>,versions mangler
09:14<judd>Package mangler on i386 -- sid: 1.2.2-1; wheezy: 1.2.2-1
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09:14<babilen>Fudgey: You might be able to backport it from sid -- /msg dpkg ssb
09:16<Fudgey>thats current, i just found a ppa with it but thank you
09:16<babilen>Fudgey: No, don't install from a PPA
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09:18<fix>yeah bitch
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09:18<Fudgey>please explain
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09:19<wferi>Hi! Should an uncompressed Packages file be present in all debian package reporistories?
09:19<wferi>or is it allowed to carry Packages.gz and Packages.bz2 only?
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09:24<babilen>Fudgey: Ah, haven't seen your reply. The reasons are manifold, but the fact that PPAs are for Ubuntu and that the packaging may be of substandard quality (or even malicious) are the most important points
09:25<babilen>fix: Please try to make constructive comments and refrain from using that kind of language. Thank you
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09:26<babilen>wferi: IIRC it is OK to just have Packages.gz
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09:27<babilen>wferi: i.e. nothing to worry about
09:28<wferi>babilen: thanks, but then apt-get update should give a warning about a missing Packages file, or should it?
09:28<wferi>I mean it should NOT give a warning...
09:28<babilen>yup
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09:28<wferi>but it does:
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09:29<wferi>W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:4c48:1:f800::11 80]
09:29<babilen>wferi: Yeah, I believe you. I am not 100% sure and am not in a position to give authorative answers on this matter
09:29<babilen>wferi: Could you try a different mirror? (de comes to mind)
09:29<wferi>babilen: ok, thanks anyway. I'll bring this up with the apt maintainers then.
09:30<babilen>wferi: Yeah, and just to let you know: We have an official channel for wheezy/sid users now (#debian-next here on irc.oftc.net)
09:30<Fudgey>babilen ah yes thank you for your concern, im not actually in squeeze at moment was trying to see where mangler has mde it into. but thank you again
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09:31<babilen>Fudgey: Well, we support sueeze in here, hence my assumption that you use it. ;)
09:31<wferi>babilen: thanks for the info!
09:31<babilen>squeeze even
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09:32<babilen>wferi: If you find out what the problem is, I would be happy if you'll let me know, so I can provide better support the next time this question arises. Have a nice day!
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09:38<helpme>I tried tosend a mail to an admin address but it bounced so i sent it through postfix like this <admin@[88.165.45.229]> but it still bounced after 4 days sent it last thursday
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09:39<helpme>without the >
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09:39<babilen>but with the [ and ] ?
09:40<helpme>babilen: yes
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09:40<helpme>first i tried the correct address then as above in brackets
09:41<helpme>connection timed out
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09:43<mjt>so 88.165.45.229 does not accept smtp connections, is it a problem?
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09:44<mjt>it appears to be on a residential broadband, where smtp is usually blocked
09:44<mjt>and dynamic, too
09:46<helpme>the actual address is admin@rip.ax.It
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09:47<helpme>looks like a swiss army knife setup
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09:54<grove>helpme: Why do you think you should send email to that address? ax.it has "Status: UNASSIGNABLE", i.e. the domain doesn't and won't exist
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09:56<helpme>ok there is a web site showing the admin address as given already http://rip.ax.It
09:56<grove>And how did you get the idea that ip has anything to do with it?
09:56<helpme>did a dig and it gave that ip
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10:07<arand>It seems as though, if I use the --bindmounts option to pbuilder along with login, then logout, this bindmount remains, and when running pbuilder --clean, the contents of this bindmount are all deleted, is there something I'm missing regarding it's use or is this intended behaviour?
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10:27<uzu-cat>i'm trying to install nvidia drivers but i just realize that i do not have the xorg.conf file
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10:28<Guest2013>!dpkg
10:28<dpkg>somebody said dpkg was the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
10:28<Guest2013>!python
10:28<dpkg>Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <python 2.6> and <python 3>.
10:29<aldridge>ok thanks :)
10:29<aldridge>i will try to learn this :)
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10:30<aldridge>wc
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10:34<Alwaseem>hei
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10:38<wferi>babilen: digging through the apt bugs revealed two important factors:
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10:39<wferi>babilen: when apt complains about a missing Packages file, it may mean Packages{,.gz,.bz2,.xz,.lzma}, as shown by -o Debug::Acquire::Http=true
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10:40<wferi>babilen: 2. the apt http retriever doesn't handle full replies to partial request as per bug #617643
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10:41<wferi>babilen: so after removing my /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.hu.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages, everything was fine
10:42<wferi>because apt didn't issue a HTTP range request anymore.
10:43<wferi>babilen: end of story. may you have a chance using this piece of info! and thanks for your time.
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10:45<babilen>wferi: Thanks! :)
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11:52<sney>uzu-cat_: squeeze has no xorg.conf by default. all you need is the Device section in a text file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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11:57<todd_dsm>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund - I did not know that.
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11:58<sney>it was a big deal about 8-ish years ago
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12:39<retrospectacus>morning folks
12:39<rss>retrospectacus: evening
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12:40<retrospectacus>lucky ;)
12:40<rss>retrospectacus: yes, thanks.
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12:41<retrospectacus>over the weekend "something" happened on my workstation and the disk filled up. How may I find out where the new files are? To put me on track to what happened
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12:42<retrospectacus>the Internet was down for a day or 2 - I know this may have something to do with it
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12:43<rss>retrospectacus: which disk? du -h / should point the way to full locations or mount points
12:43<rss>retrospectacus: also df -h
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12:44<retrospectacus>it's / - got that
12:44<thewanderer1>du -sh /* I believe... du -h gives too much info
12:44<rss>retrospectacus: with internet down maybe a log directory in /var/log ?
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12:44<rss>retrospectacus: what thewanderer1 said.
12:44<thewanderer1>then you find which dir that is, descend into it and repeat till you find the offender
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12:45<rss>retrospectacus, thewanderer1: I would change command to du -h ./*
12:46<retrospectacus>hmm this may work but is not really gonna show me "new" files, just where there is a lot of data
12:46<thewanderer1>rss: but then you're not getting summaries again, too much crap on the screen
12:46<thewanderer1>retrospectacus: ah, yes... well... let's see, you need to find new big files, yes?
12:47<retrospectacus>new, anyways... and big, or a lot
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12:47<rss>retrospectacus, thewanderer1: yeah probably a log file that has no rotation but lots of log output without the inet connection
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12:48<thewanderer1>retrospectacus: find /var -mtime 1 # will find all files in /var modified less than 1 day ago...
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12:48<rss>retrospectacus: if forget the -s flag again sorry
12:49<thewanderer1>it will probably spit out a lot of info, so better resort to du -sh and see what is really eating up your space
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12:50<thewanderer1>then you find the dir and repeat the find search to locate newest files
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12:52<retrospectacus>doesn't appear to be any log - I ran ''ls -ltrh /var/log''
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12:52<thewanderer1>retrospectacus: ok, back to du and observe...
12:52<rss>retrospectacus: use du -sh
12:52<retrospectacus>yep I think the find -mtime -1 will help
12:53<rss>retrospectacus: yes it will
12:53<retrospectacus>yes I know du -hs
12:53<thewanderer1>you should be looking for big directories first, then veryfing their members' dates :P
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12:53<rss>thewanderer1: exactly. There must be a culprit ;)
12:53<thewanderer1>btw. filelight is a very nice graphical tool if you can afford that
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12:57<quant>ok, all cool now, only linux-firmware-nonfree was needed
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12:57<quant>2.6.38-2 working
12:57<simonlnu>cool
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13:06<retrospectacus>rss, thewanderer1: I am running ''find / -type d -mtime -1 |while read d ;do du -hs "$d"|awk '$1~/G/ {print}' ;done
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13:10<rss>retrospectacus: baobab is a graphical tool that shouws disk use a pie chart.
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13:15<rss>retrospectacus: another option might be a mail loop because you cannot deliver mail. i.e. undelivarable produces bounce messagw which bounces and bounces ...
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13:19<rss>AFK for shopping CUL8R
13:19<retrospectacus>rss:thanks
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13:29<rss>back from shopping
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13:29<Igloo>Hi all
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13:29<Igloo>I have sound working on my machine, but in a chroot "aplay -l" says "aplay: device_list:235: no soundcards found...". Can anyone help me getting sound working in the chroot please?
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13:30<ramesh>ping
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13:31<rss>retrospectacus: any results yet?
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13:32<ramesh>yes, everybody seems dead.
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13:34<rss>pong
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13:34<retrospectacus>rss: I believe it is my ~/.local/share/evolution/mail
13:34<rss>retrospectacus: looks like a mail look then.
13:35<rss>retrospectacus: oops mail loop
13:35<retrospectacus>rss: after the 'net came back, I received thousands of mails from various scripts telling me they cannot do whatever (due to the Internet being down previously)
13:35<retrospectacus>not a loop but yeah... just lots of mail ;P
13:36<rss>retrospectacus: yes that is what I meant by mail loop. bounce which produces bounce and bounce on bounce. your system would slow down and fill the disk very quickly
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13:38<rss>retrospectacus: this is why I have setup a mail server in my network . It will not mail and remail bounces because it cannot deliver. It is an innocent mistake especially if the mailserver is expected to be always up.
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13:40<rss>retrospectacus: glad you found it now to solve it. I have no idea how evolution catches mail. and stores it. Maybe you should adjust your notification scripts :)
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13:41<retrospectacus>well they weren't bounces - just notices like "cannot synchronize to CRM" - yeah I'm thinking a "don't send email if this is failure number 5 or more" or st. is in order
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13:41<rss>retrospectacus: that is exactly how I setup notifications not more that five levels of escalation!
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13:42<retrospectacus>just deleted and empty trash in evolution and now I have 6G free :)
13:43<rss>it is also the resaon why with smtp the retry period is lengthened on failure to deliver :)
13:43<rss>retrospectacus: Good on you welcome back online :)
13:44<retrospectacus>:)
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13:55<jankidudel>nokia connectivity driver for debian ? :)
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13:56<devil>gnoki
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13:57<Aleric>How do I find out the UUID of a swap partition?
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13:57<candide>Hello all: I'm trying to play a DVD from mplayer using the command line, but it keeps throwing back "Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd (no medium found)," yet mounting audio CDs works just fine in PCManFM.
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14:00<rss> candide: mplayer -dvd:0 -dvd-device /dev/cdrom
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14:01<rss>candide: also check your .mplayer/config file
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14:01<rss>candide: there might be wrong reference to your dvd device there
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14:02<Aleric>devil: Are you sure? It won't print it.
14:02<Aleric>taryn:~>sudo blkid -p /dev/sda3
14:02<Aleric>/dev/sda3: VERSION="2" TYPE="swap" USAGE="other"
14:02<candide>rss: I've tried using the graphical config in gnome-mplayer to switch back and forth between /dev/dvd and /dev/sr0 with no luck.
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14:03<candide>rss: and .mplayer/config contains no reference to either. Should it?
14:03<retrospectacus>Aleric: swap partitions do not have a UUID
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14:04<gnugr>!tell Aleric -about UUID
14:04<towo`>retrospectacus, sayes who?
14:04<retrospectacus>err, Aleric they can but none of mine do anyways
14:04<rss>candide: look in ~/.mplayer/config there should be a reference to dvd-device there. if there is not then add one mine says: dvd-device=/dev/sr0
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14:04<drwarner>when was BitchX dropped from the repos?
14:06<retrospectacus>towo`: me, that's who! By which I mean, mine don't
14:06<retrospectacus>!bitchx
14:06<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
14:06<towo`>retrospectacus, but you can't say that for anyone
14:06<streuner_>dpkg, bitchx
14:06<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
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14:06<rss>candide: the config file for gmplayer is ~/.mplayer/gui.conf
14:07<retrospectacus>towo`: indeed. I corrected myself
14:07<Noah>hey
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14:07<Aleric>Well, then if my swap doesn't have an UUID, how can I give it one? I think it's a bit weird that you have to use the UUID in your /etc/fstab, but nothing is provided by default for your swap in debian :/
14:08<Noah>doeas any body know how to hach simple web page?
14:08<Noah>hack
14:08<Aleric>With an axe?
14:08<rss>Noah: likely not legal, so no.
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14:09<candide>rss: I think gmplayer is overriding whatever I set the dvd device to -- let me uninstall it and try that.
14:09<retrospectacus>Aleric, you don't have to use a UUID in fstab - just put /dev/sdb3 none swap sw 0 0
14:09<Noah>it;s leagal
14:09<thewanderer1>I thought hacking is done by DMCA takedown notices nowadays... :P
14:09<Noah>icreta web page
14:09<ichdasich>Noah: it is pretty easy.
14:09<towo`>Aleric, swapoff /dev/foo mkswap /dev/foo, then you have a uuid
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14:09<Noah>and i want know hot to hack it
14:09<Noah>:D
14:09<ichdasich>Noah: just do /quit hack
14:09<Noah>?
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14:10<ichdasich>Noah: well... you're right. before you can hack. you have to end the slowmode on your internetconnection.
14:10<ichdasich>just type /quit slowmode in this irc window.
14:10<rss>Noah: if you can hack it then you are a bad web page designer or your webserver is flawed. You should not be able to hack a webpage.
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14:10<Aleric>towo`: Thanks! :)
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14:11<Noah>I'm asking for help to hack it
14:11<ichdasich>Noah: quit the slowmode first.
14:11<streuner_>Troll somewhere else!
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14:11<rss>Noah: Go elsewhere this is a debian support site.
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14:13<Aleric>I just upgraded my linux box and it changed hda --> sda. However, all my files in /etc still contain /dev/hda*. I just fixed /etc/fstab, but what about the rest?
14:14<Aleric>Ie, /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume contains:
14:14<Aleric>RESUME=/dev/hda3
14:14<candide>rss: "libdvdread: Could not open /dev/sr0 with libdvdcss.libdvdread: Can't open /dev/sr0 for reading."
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14:14<Aleric>That must be quite old, cause that would be my swap :/
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14:14<mjt>Aleric: it _should_ be your swap
14:14<candide>rss: My non-root user is part of the cdrom group. This *should* work, right?
14:15<Aleric>mjt: How can I put an UUID in that file then?
14:15<mjt>Aleric: when hibernating it saves state to swap and later restores it from it
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14:15<rss>candide: the commandline mplayer dvd://0 -dvd-device /dev/<device name> should work, it should bypass settings in config files completely. get the proper device name and plug it into ~/.mplayer/config and ~/.mplayer/gui.conf your problem should be solved
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14:16<mjt>Aleric: i'm not sure it supports uuid, that's one of the more obscure places in early boot sequence. But you can use /dev/disk/by-id/$UUID
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14:17<rss>candide: yes that should work
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14:17<mjt>Aleric: check the actual pathname on a booted system
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14:17<vampiro_>irc.elsitio.com
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14:18<streuner_>hm, looks at the calendar, is it today sunday? :-)
14:18<rss>candide: /dev/cdrom should be a symlink
14:19<rss>candide: the device the symlink points to should me member of the group cdrom
14:19<mjt>..pointing to /dev/sr0 :)
14:20<candide>rss and mjt: so, run "ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/cdrom" -- or have I gotten that backwards?
14:20<rss>candide: do you have /dev/sr0?
14:20<mjt>ls -L /dev/cdrom :)
14:21<rss>candide: do you have /dev/cdrom?
14:21<streuner_>ln -s /dev/sr0 dvd in /dev
14:21<streuner_>but you can realize that via udev
14:21<mjt>streuner_: its already there unless his udev is broken :)
14:21<rss>mjr, candide: exactly!
14:21<streuner_>mjt: udev never did that for me
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14:22<mjt>standard debian udev rules creates cdrom, cdrw, dvd, dvdrw symlinks out of the box
14:22<mjt>all pointing to sr0 anyway ;)
14:22<streuner_>hm, well, you can create a udev rule for that, but iam too lazy to find out yet
14:22<mjt>it's in standard set of rules installed
14:22<rss>streuner_: it should already be there. no need to manually interfere
14:22<candide>rss: both /dev/sr0 and /dev/cdrom show up when I ran "ln -L" for both
14:23<mjt>ie,, you can create a rule to NOT create these symlinks ;)
14:23<rss>candide, run ls -al for both and pastebin the output
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14:24<candide>rss: http://pastebin.com/yumVP1vx
14:25<rss>candide: looking now
14:25<candide>rss: thanks
14:25<streuner_>rss: yes, in theory
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14:26<rss>candide: can you create new pastebin for ls -al /dev/cdrom and ls -al /dev/sr0
14:26<candide>rss: will do.
14:26<mjt>-a? :)
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14:27<rss>mjt: I want access rights also
14:27<mjt>brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 May 24 11:02 sr0
14:27<mjt>-a is meaingful only for directories
14:27<mjt>meaningful
14:27<mjt>but this one is interesting, note it has additional ACLs
14:27<candide>rss: http://pastebin.com/qLEUWr4K
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14:29<rss>candide: that looks rightm mjtś comment about extra access lists applies. mjt any ideas?
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14:29<mjt>so far i don't see a problem you're trying to solve
14:30<mjt>getfacl will show the acls
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14:31<rss>mjt, candide: exactly mplayer commanline should work. so mplayer dvd://0 -dvd-device /dev/sr0 or mplayer dvd://0 -dvd-device /dev/cdrom should work. candide says it does not for him/her.
14:32<mjt>"does not work" may mean anything, not only permission denied
14:32<mjt>for example, libdvdnav can throw "unable to read" error at you if it can't _parse_ the content of the cdrom
14:32<rss>mjt: yes, candide what does the commndline output when you try it?
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14:34<rss>candide: what is the output of: mplayer dvd://0 -dvd-device /dev/sr0 ? you need a dvd in the drive!
14:34<mjt>strace -e open -o /tmp/trc mplayer dvd:// ; grep /dev /tmp/trc
14:34<candide>rss, mjt: http://pastebin.com/z64LMqn2
14:34<mjt>-- that may help to diagnose this particular permission possibility
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14:34<mjt>um
14:34<mjt>Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/sr0 (No medium found)
14:34<mjt>?
14:35<candide>mjt: Yes, there is a dvd in the drive. And I've tried more than one.
14:35<rss>candide: is there a dvd in the drive?
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14:36<rss>candide: do you have more than one dvd /cdrom device?
14:36<mjt>only one
14:36<mjt>it's in his paste
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14:36<candide>No. I'm on a ThinkPad T42.
14:36<rss>mjt missed thatk sorry
14:36<candide>Only one drive.
14:36<rss>candide: is the dvd good?
14:37<mjt>please run: strace -e open -o /tmp/trc mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device /dev/sr0 ; grep /dev/sr0 /tmp/trc
14:37<mjt>and paste the results.
14:37<candide>rss: I've tried half a dozen. Either they're all bad or my drive is broken, apparently.
14:37<rss>candide: what mjt said
14:37<candide>mjt: One second.
14:37<mjt>if you've strace installed
14:38<mjt>strace writes all system calls a program makes to a given file. this invocation writes all file opens
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14:39<candide>mjt, rss: http://pastebin.com/udffrZLx
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14:39<mjt>here you go
14:39<mjt>open("/dev/sr0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOMEDIUM (No medium found)
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14:39<mjt>so it correctly reported the error in the first place
14:39<mjt>your _drive_ does not recognize the disk you inserted
14:39<mjt>but wait
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14:40<mjt>um. no. i thought you don't have /dev/dvd symlink. you have it
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14:41<candide>mjt: Hardware failure?
14:41<rss>mjt, candide: maybe a usb stick emulating cdrom on sr0 and real dvd device on sr1
14:41<mjt>rss: that's something from another universe :)
14:41<rss>mjt: is it a possibility?
14:42<mjt>it's a masohistic way to make things worse :)
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14:42<mjt>candide: i can't say it's a failure, all i can say is what i already said: your drive does not see the disc
14:42<mjt>well, it's a failure to see the disc, yes ;)
14:42<rss>candide: does a livecd work?
14:43<mjt>i mean, it may be your drive failed or this particular disc
14:43<mjt>or just dusty head
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14:43<rss>mjt: candide has stated several different dvdś do not work
14:43<mjt>if you find any disc that works that'll rule out the drive failure
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14:44<rss>mjt: dusty head is a good idea thanks!
14:44<mjt>dunno how good it is, it's rare
14:44<mjt>but it's easy to check - these slot-in little drives can be open easily
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14:45<mjt>and the head is exposed
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14:45<rss>candide: can you play audio cd's?
14:46<candide>rss: Yes.
14:46<streuner_>strange
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14:46<rss>candide: that means cdrom laser ok dvd laser (it uses a different focus) maybe not
14:46<mjt>note the error is coming stright from the drive itself, it's hardware that reports "No medium found"
14:47<candide><sigh> I'll chalk it up to hardware failure.
14:47<rss>mjt:, yes, laser focus?
14:47<mjt>so it will be the same on windows for example
14:47<mjt>honestly i don't know much about how that laser stuff works :)
14:47<rss>mjt: aaaaarghhhh windows :)
14:48<rss>candide: try windows if that is a possibility
14:48<mjt>every vendor test their hardware with windows first, and if you say it does not work under linux they wont care. so it's not usual to mention windows in this context.
14:48<candide>I bought an old ThinkPad with a missing hard drive so I could *avoid* using Windows =P
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14:49<mjt>it will be the same on windows
14:49<mjt>but i repeat myself
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14:50<candide>There's nothing that can be done. Thank you rss & mjt.
14:50<mjt>cleaning the head (very gently) and cleaning the disc surface (just wiping its surface) sometimes help. the latter works more often ;)
14:50<mjt>esp. when you see the surface has scratches
14:51<rss>candide: do you have a bootable dvd for a windows install? we want to check id the drive can actually still read dvd's. Possibly laser focus for dvd is off. and that means no dvd will work. download hirens bootcd and burn it. run the miniwindows and insert a dvd is should give you contents. if it does not broken hardware
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14:51<mjt>rss: _i_ for one don't want to check that :)
14:52<mjt>because i know the result
14:52<rss>mjt: you are probably right. just narrowing down the options.
14:52<candide>rss: No, I don't. Everything on the software end should work right. I think the drive is just too old to do much anymore.
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14:53<rss>candide: software end and hardware report sound and look good. if you have working drive all should be ok
14:54<rss>candide, sound is your chat here look is the pastbin
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14:55<rss>candide: do you have access to an external dvd drive via usb?
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14:56<candide>rss: No, I haven't.
14:56<rss>candide, mjt: could it be region code lockdown?
14:56<candide>rss: I'm in region one and so are all my DVDs.
14:57<rss>candide: does the drive know that?
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14:58<candide>rss: good question =P
14:58<rss>candide: do data dvd's work?
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15:00<mjt>how data dvd differ from "other" dvd?
15:00<rss>candide: emoticon =P is meaningless to me what does is mean?
15:00<mjt>;-P
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15:01<candide>rss: mjt got it right. It means I don't know the answer to your question.
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15:02<rss>candide: OK thanks for the explanation. if it is a region code thing then a data dvd would still work just not a video dvd. with me sofar?
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15:02<mjt>rss: for region code mismatch there will be different error
15:03<rss>candide, mjt: lets chalk this one of to hardware error then.
15:03<rss>oops of is up
15:04<candide>I'll try and find a USB DVD drive, then.
15:04<mjt>rss: there's actually no such thing as "data dvd" vs "video dvd", the structure is the same (if you don't use non-standard filesystem for "data" dvd). "video dvd" contains pre-determined directory/file structure, it has VIDEO_TS folder with VOB (and other) files in it. You can put your data into "video dvd" together with actual videos (with obvious reduction in space)
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15:05<mjt>that's in contrast to "audio cd" and "data cd" where the content is _entirely_ different
15:05<candide>Thanks rss & mjt.
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15:06<rss>mjt: yes but I have had data dvd's work and not video dvd's purely to region code. I was wierd, that was 2 to 3 years ago though so maybe I'm just looking for problems that can no longer exist
15:07<mjt>rss: the area code has nothing to do with the error at hand. the area code looked when actually reading the *.VOB files
15:07<mjt>ie you'll see the file structure, you can mount it etc,. but you can't read the files - the content loook like a garbage
15:08<mjt>that's where decss library comes into play
15:08<mjt>depending on the manufacturing process of particular dvd discs, some may be easier to read for certain drives, some more difficult
15:08<rss>mjt: i have encounterd hard locked dvd in the past. no file structure at all. angain 2 - 3 years ago. drive was discontinued and replaced by other model.
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15:09<mjt>"data dvds" - like, most likely, writable discs, quite often dvd drives can read these more often than not. just in my expirence
15:10<rss>mjt: i had to return the drive. I no longer have it it was replaced under warranty
15:10<mjt>maybe they're trying to simplify manufacturing process for "video dvds" (ie. not writable), so these can't be read more often
15:10<rss>mjt: I wish I had not now.
15:10<mjt>doesn't really matter
15:10<mjt>there's no magic (tm)
15:10<rss>mjt: true. sorry for dragging on and on and ....
15:11<mjt>n/p
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15:11<mjt>i've a slow evening anyway, have to wait till this database finishes it's large pile of work.
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15:12<rss>mjt: OK :)
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15:16<rss>mjt: I was trying as many tangents to the problem i could think of. Thanks for the assist and patience.
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15:26<bluenemo>i dont have /proc/acpi/"battery".. is there a module to load or sth..?
15:28<mjt>bluenemo: how about /sys/module/battery ?
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15:30<bluenemo>mjt, that one is present, however i cant read anything human from its files..
15:31<mjt>that's module params, not your hw
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15:32<mjt>try find /sys -name battery -- if it finds anything else. i don't remember where the hw info is located
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15:34<bluenemo>ok i found sth, even if in a non human location :D /sys/bus/acpi/drivers/battery# cat PNP0C0A\:00/power_supply/BAT0/voltage_now
15:35<mjt>that's the one
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15:35<bluenemo>mjt, thanks man that shows more than needed :)
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15:36<mjt>there are desktop applet(s) to show it
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15:36<bluenemo>i want to give it to dzen2 my way :)
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15:37<bluenemo>mjt, will the path change when i reboot?
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15:37<mjt>unlikely
15:38<mjt>there should be a symlink to it somewhere from /sys/class
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15:39<bluenemo>mjt, the real path /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0A08:00/device:00/PNP0C09:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0
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15:40<bluenemo>ingenius what this shows :) thanks a lot man :D
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15:40<mjt>you're welcome
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15:41<mjt>there may be /sys/class/power_supply directory or something like that
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15:42<bluenemo>sweet mjt there is :D its slightly different formatted (different names..) cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_now
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15:42<bluenemo>this is waaay more than i hoped for to find :D
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15:43<mjt>/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 is a symlink to your longer path
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15:50<toumbia>wich command I can use to delete all package, for exemple, ooo ? apt-get remove --purge op* don't work
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15:54<mjt>toumbia: works for me... ;)
15:55<mjt>toumbia: try ls op*
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15:56<toumbia>mjt: for my actual problem, maybe it's comming from the fact that I use dpkg to install it ?
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15:57<mjt>it does not matter how you installed it
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16:00<mjt>well. apt-get remove with wildcards like that has its fun side
16:01<mjt>it is trying to find names in a list of _available_ packages, not installed
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16:01<mjt>so if you never ran `apt-get update' or somesuch it may not find anything ;)
16:01<toumbia>mjt: thanks I'm free now from ooo
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16:16<azorius>greetings
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16:42<stegbth>hello everybody
16:42<stegbth>did there something change in policy-routing from from lenny to squeeze?
16:42<stegbth>my script i used in lenny with ppp0 does not work in squeeze with eth2?
16:42<stegbth>http://pastebin.com/UyqCgH2V
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16:43<stegbth>the problem is: the traffic get nattet to 192.168.250.196, but get routed through the main routing-table
16:43<stegbth>what does not work
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17:22<jhutchins_lt>stegbth: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
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17:37<madsen>ahh the joys of a freshly installed debian :-)
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17:43<stegbth>jhutchins_it the problem is not the Masquerading or NAT
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17:43<stegbth>the problem is routing
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17:43<stegbth>as the packet get routed through the main-routingtable, instead of table adsl
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17:44<hpvincent>hi all, I am using chromium browser , but I notice some weird things with this browser , more particularly, it seems to be constant disk accesses even if I am not browsing anything with it (just a dozen web pages opened, but on a separate desktop that is not currently selected), do other people experience this issue ?
17:44<hpvincent>it means my disk can never go to sleep
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17:47<monsef2011>ho
17:47<monsef2011>hi
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17:53<stegbth>jhutchins_lt the more correct is imho: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ this worked with lenny
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17:54<stegbth>but it does not work with squeeze as the routing table seems to be consulted before the NAT-Table
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18:01<mjt>stegbth: debian uses standard kernel firewall, nat and routing components
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18:05<stegbth>mjt: but there must changed something, as it worked with lenny
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18:06<mjt>nat has prerouting and postrouting tables - that should say something to you
18:07<mjt>it works the same way since nat table has been introduced
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18:07<stegbth>thats true, but why did it work with lenny before ?
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18:08<stegbth>ok, so the routing must be done cause the fwmark
18:08<stegbth>/sbin/ip rule add fwmark 1 table adsl
18:08*mjt => bed
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18:08<stegbth>iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d ! 192.168.0.0/16 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 \
18:09<stegbth>-j MARK --set-xmark 0x1/0xffffffff
18:09<stegbth>but the packet get routed through main
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18:11<mjt>forward table is always consulted after routing since it's the routing code which decides if the packet is local or should be sent elsewhere, so should go to input or forward table
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18:12<mjt>ditto for -i and -o options which are determined by routing code too
18:12<mjt>er -i is not ofcourse, only -o :)
18:12<stegbth>sorry, the output for iptables was iptables-save
18:13<stegbth>but the FORWARD -t mangle is one of the first tables consulted, imho before routing decision?
18:16<stegbth>so it would be better to do the MARKing of the packet in the PREROUTING -t mangle, instead of FORWARD -t mangle?
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18:18<redeeman_>hello, i have the problem that the initramfs is broken, it does not contain the stuff it should
18:18<redeeman_>and i cant seem to generate ap roper one with update-initramfs
18:18<redeeman_>it doesnt contain the modules or modules.dep for the right kernel
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18:18<redeeman_>and now i cant boot with a debian kernel due to the system not booting, so im on a livecd
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18:26<r4co0n>redeeman, how did you get there? is the system worth the effort to rescue it? or would you be better off if you reconfigured from scratch and/or used backups?
18:27<redeeman_>well it seemed to work fine until it rebootefd
18:27<redeeman_>and stuff seems to be there perfectly fine
18:27<redeeman_>i have no idea how it happened
18:27<redeeman_>its lenny
18:27<redeeman_>all i need is just a proper initramfs for lenny i386
18:27<r4co0n>u did some install that touched /boot
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18:28<redeeman_>well i am not the normal admin of this box, but afaik it was just updated
18:28<r4co0n>install/config/update/whatever
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18:28<redeeman_>and now i cant bring back a working initramfs
18:28<redeeman_>update-initramfs clearly fails hard
18:30<themill>in what way? It's rather hard to guess what's wrong with the little information you've provided
18:30<redeeman_>the initramfs i generate when chrooted, doesnt contain modules for the debian kernel
18:30<redeeman_>it seems to put some modules into the kernel i've booted on the livecd system
18:30<r4co0n>sry, cant really help with this stuff. ull probably have to live with a live cd until the admin is back, he may consider reinstalling. after changing boot behaviour system runs as it did, until u reboot. so the admin should probably roll-back the system to a usable state with backups.
18:30<redeeman_>the admin is gone for good
18:31<r4co0n>u r supposed to manage this box now?
18:31<redeeman_>yes
18:31<redeeman_>its only the boot that fails
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18:32<redeeman_>should one not be able to make a new initramfs with update-initramfs that contains mnodules?
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18:32<houms>where are you issueing that if the system cannot boot?
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18:32<r4co0n>can u access the logs and see what update could be the cause? lets try it this way...
18:32<redeeman_>houms: i am booting with a livecd and chrooting
18:32<r4co0n>he chrooted from livecd
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18:34<redeeman_>r4co0n: what does that help? i believe the issue is the same
18:34<houms>you just did an update?
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18:34<redeeman_>houms: its potentially weeks ago, the error is the initramfs generation
18:35<r4co0n>someone probably did. there is entity "admin", which is gone and wont come back, that apparently did upgrade the system lately.
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18:36<houms>i would try
18:36<houms>update-initramfs -c -k <kernel>
18:36<houms>update-grub
18:36<redeeman_>its not grub
18:36<redeeman_>and i did try update-initramfs
18:36<houms>i would issue those two
18:36<redeeman_>the generated initramfs does not contain the modules
18:36<houms>in that order
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18:36<redeeman_>update-grub is not it, i know for a fact grub works
18:37<redeeman_>i can see it loads the correct initramfs
18:37<houms>and then what does it do?
18:37<redeeman_>it generates one without modules for the debian kernel
18:38<redeeman_>but includes the modules in kernel directory for running kernel
18:38<redeeman_>which is much newer since livecd
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18:40<redeeman_>now i made it actually create the correct dir in the initramfs
18:40<redeeman_>but it still needs to also include modules.dep
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18:41<AzaToth>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627829 ← heresy?
18:41<stegbth>mjt: thank you very much for the hint with FORWARD and PREROUTING
18:41<stegbth>not it works again
18:41<stegbth>i moved the mangle entry from FORWARD to PREROUTING
18:41<stegbth>but this must have been changed from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32
18:42<mjt>um. mangle table receved some semantic changes
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18:43<mjt>cleanups i'd say
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18:47<daemonkeeper>AzaToth: Actually he already filed a RFS on d-mentors ;)
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18:49<redeeman_>any of you that by chance has an i386 lenny? i could really use the initramfs file
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18:57<stegbth>redeeman_: i think i have a lenny i386
18:57<stegbth>somewhere
18:57<stegbth>what do you need?
18:57<stegbth>only the initramfs?
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18:57<redeeman_>the initramfs
18:58<stegbth>2.6.26-2-686
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18:58<redeeman_>stegbth: that woulds be great
18:58<redeeman_>if you can upload the initramfs i'd be very grateful
18:58<stegbth>it has about 7mb
18:59<redeeman_>that sounds good
18:59<stegbth>do you have a ftp server?
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18:59<redeeman_>stegbth: unfortunately not avialable right now :(
18:59<redeeman_>if you could do http it would be great
19:00<redeeman_>oh but i might be able to accept nc
19:00<redeeman_>can you nc it to me?
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19:00<redeeman_>damn cant get network now
19:00<redeeman_>if you could put on http it would be perfect
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19:04<mikeea>hello, testing xXx
19:05<stegbth>mjt: hm, a new trouble
19:06<stegbth>i have a inbound connection (ssh from one specific pc) which get NATet to an internal machine
19:06<mikeea>running LinuxMint9PPC on top of Debian 6_Squeeze
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19:06<mikeea>no trouble, just testing
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19:06<stegbth>but the answer packet get routed thru main Routing table
19:07<mikeea>on a imac g4
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19:08<stegbth>even when adding everything from the special port a mark to 0x1 so the "ip rule fwmark 0x1 table adsl" should route this the other way
19:08<stegbth>ah damn, the testmachine had a proxy configured
19:09<stegbth>local generated packet worked before also
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19:30<xcr>warum bin ich hier?
19:30<abrotman>!de
19:30<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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19:31<xcr>ich hab aber ubuntu :)
19:31<xcr>im xchat verklickt
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19:31<xcr>ekelhaft, könnt ihr mir helfen? i
19:32<xcr> http://paste.debian.net/117886/ was bedeutet das?
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19:32<daemonkeeper>xcr: Dies ist ein englischsprachiger Channel, der zudem ausschließlich für Debian ist.
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19:33<abrotman>english
19:33<daemonkeeper>This is what I told him :)
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19:33<daemonkeeper>xcr: Du willst außerdem nach #ubuntu(.de) auf irc.freenode.net
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19:34<xcr>english, please^^
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19:44<charles>Hello everyone.. Does anybody know how to install Nvidia drivers for squeeze?
19:44<daemonkeeper>!nvidia-glx
19:45<daemonkeeper>!nvidia dkms
19:45<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
19:45<daemonkeeper>Now
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19:58<Sudos|i5100>I seem to be having a problem with my laptop; an Inspiron 5100 with a Sigmatel STAC9750,51 chip. the headphone out channel in alsamixer acts as its own entity, when the master volume meter should affect the volume output. This is Squeeze.
19:59<Sudos|i5100>Would this be considered a driver bug, or an alsa bug?
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20:02<mariontes>hi
20:02<mariontes>i need some help
20:03<mariontes>some one can help me?
20:04<geordie>!ask
20:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:06<dexter>hello
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20:07<dexter>i noticed something strange on my debian box
20:07<dexter>over ftp my max upload is ~50K/s over http the same file is over 300K/s
20:07<dexter>i already tried vsftpd,proftpd,pure-ftpd
20:08<dexter>same results with all
20:08<dexter>any idea what should i check?
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20:17<charles>Hello, Im trying to install nvidia drivers for debian.. I went to bash as root. sh ran the NVIDIA. run file.. It tells me x windows is running.. So I adjust my runlevel=1 within my file in ETC folder I think. Got to command prompt tried to run and it said it recommends using X window for installation.. Then produced some kernel errors that I didnt copy Is their a better way?
20:17<dondelelcaro>!nvidia
20:17<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
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20:19<charles>Thanks...
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20:28<prahal>is there a battery daemon for linux ?
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20:30<nyov>battery daemon?
20:30<prahal>debian/gnu/linux that is . I am developing a battery driver though ended up finding out in the kernel doc that heuristics ought not to be in the driver but in a daemon yet to be written (cannot tell when this was written)
20:30<nyov>acpid?
20:31<prahal>got to check though I believed acpid would be a client for such data not the provider
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20:36<prahal>acpid is event driven
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21:15*bis0n retourne bosser
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21:59<charles>What is xorg? and is it different than x window
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22:02<nevyn>xorg is the xserver which draws graphics at the request of X clients
22:02<abrotman>he's gone
22:02<nevyn>hrm
22:02<cjac>but the answer is now in the archives! amirite?
22:02<nevyn>!xorg
22:02<dpkg>X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
22:03<nevyn>meh my answer isn't there but it's poorly phrased anyway
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22:04<nevyn>so I've been doing some kernel driver stuff recently. what's the right way to do this on a debian system
22:04<chealer>cjac: there are no publically available logs of this channel.
22:04<cjac>who said public? Private posterity is good enough for me! :)
22:04<nevyn>is it ok to just build the tree with kpkg and install it then overwrite the .ko of interest from another build of the tree?
22:04<cjac>nevyn: have you tried? :)
22:05<nevyn>kpkg seems to do a complete from mkproper build every time which is.. frustrating
22:05<cjac>make sure the compiler options are the same
22:05<nevyn>cjac: yeah that was my next question.
22:05<abrotman>chealer: sure about that? http://thegrebs.com/irc/debian/2011/05/24
22:05<cjac>from my basic understanding, I think it'll probably work. but #debian-kernel would know for sure
22:05<dvs>nevyn: I thought that's what module assisstant was for.
22:06<nevyn>dvs: in tree driver development
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22:07<nevyn>m-a is for out of tree drivers.
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22:10<dvs>nevyn: so... it's going to be included upstream?
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22:14<nevyn>dvs: yeah.
22:15<nevyn>I'm mostly testing rather than writing. but so far I've been using make-kpkg but it's not terribly fast.
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22:15<nevyn>I could install a kernel by hand with the "standard" procedure. but that's not very "the debian way"
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22:25<cjac>I like determiners in my adjectives, too
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22:43<bis0n>hello
22:43<sney>hi
22:44<bis0n>need tar -jvcf all files except for one .vdi file... how can I do?
22:44<bis0n>sorry for my poor English ... I'm french... ^^
22:44<sney>there is also #debian-fr if you want help in french
22:45<bis0n>yes but here it is 4:45am...
22:45<sney>I would move the .vdi file out of the working directory while you create the archive
22:45<bis0n>so debian-fr is empty... ^^
22:46<bis0n>no I can't do that...
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22:47<bis0n>the archive is on one usb key not large enough
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22:48<bis0n>and I want make the archive shortly, so I don't want include this file, like with an "find ! -name "*.vdi""
22:48<abrotman>bis0n: man tar .. it tells you how to exclude
22:49<bis0n>find ! -name "*.vdi" -type f -exec tar -jvcf /media/Sauv0/home.tar.bz2 --parents {} \; but that not work...
22:49<bis0n>ok
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22:50<bis0n>oh yes... --exclude, sorry, I haven't seen this before, I have look but not see
22:50<bis0n>thanks
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22:57<kop>bis0n: You could enable non-free and install tar-doc. The info pages have good explainations.
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