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00:53<pretendo>hi is there a package with compiling tools? i remember one but cannot find it, has all the basic tools g++c++ ect
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00:57<gsimmons>dpkg: b-e pretendo
00:57<dpkg>pretendo: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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00:57<pretendo>build-essential
00:57<pretendo>thank you
00:58<pretendo>has anyone been able to get wine to work with starcraft2 or WoW
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01:27<rami>Hello, I am a new Debian Squeeze user coming from, oh-so-unstable Ubuntu. Been a long time GNOME user, decided to give KDE4 a shot. At anytime I have two browsers running, Firefox and Chromium. The former for regular browsing, and the latter for sensitive online activity which I use Tor for. This setup works perfectly fine with GNOME. However KDE does not support SOCKS, and all the solutions to "soxify" KDE seem unacceptable and insecure. Hence, I
01:27<rami>cannot Tor through Chrome, but Firefox works with Torbutton. So I thought why not run Iceweasel and Firefox 4 side by side. How can I do that? Sorry for the long winded question, and thanks in advance :)
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01:31<jm_>rami: why firefox?
01:31<Nemoder>!chromium
01:31<dpkg>Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium-browser in squeeze, chromium in sid. http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>.
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01:32<rami>jm_: Because Torproject.org has a plugin for Tor called Torbutton which works on KDE, they don't have a similar plugin for Chrome
01:32<Nemoder>chromium is all gtk based, what does that have to do with kde?
01:32<Nemoder>ah
01:32<jm_>rami: I mean why firefox and not iceweasel?
01:33<nevyn>jm_: firefox 4
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01:33<rami>Nemoder: when I run chromium on KDE, it uses KDE network settings, which doesn't have Socks proxy
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01:35<rami>jm_: I want both to run side by side. The idea is one would be for regular browsing, the other for anonymized browsing. Cookies might compromise anonymity if I use the same browser for both
01:35<rami>So what I want to do is run Iceweasel 3.6 and Firefox 4 side by side
01:35<jm_>rami: I recommend to use iceweasel 4 and if you want to completely separate it, run one instance as a different user
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01:35<rami>jm_: can they run side-by-side or I would have to close one to use the other?
01:36<rami>So enable experimental repos and "aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel"
01:36<Nemoder>it should work side by side but you'ld have to grant permission to the other user to access your primary user's x session
01:36<jm_>rami: if you run it as a new user they can run side by side, the other option is to use different profiles in iceweasel
01:36<jm_>rami: no, http://mozilla.debian.net/
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01:37<rami>jm_: aha, that site was down a couple of days ago when I was google-fu-ing :)
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01:38<jm_>rami: right, a server was being moved
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01:39<rami>I am really enjoying Debian so far (3 days) very stable....makes me cringe when I remember my Ubuntu days
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01:40<pretendo>hey guys is there anyway to edit the startup resolution
01:40<pretendo>demsg
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01:41<pirlo89>hi, is it possible for someone to help me with a programming problem ?
01:41<jm_>pretendo: depends
01:42<pretendo>im using fglrx
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01:44<jm_>for that you change the resolution with xrandr or its equivalent, or set it in the config file (xorg.conf)
01:44<jm_>pirlo89: perhaps there's a better channel for you
01:44<chealer>pretendo: how do you change the resolution?
01:45<rami>jm_: OK done I am on Iceweasel 4. But that doesn't solve the problem, I don't have iceweasel 3.6 and iceweasel4 on the system
01:45<rami>jm_: it just upgraded
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01:45<jm_>rami: only one packaged version can exist
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01:46<rami>jm_: thats what I thought, thats why I wanted Iceweasel and firefox
01:46<rami>jm_: I presume those are different and can coexist yeah?
01:46<rami>pirlo89: so you are Juventini now?
01:47<jm_>rami: if you grab tar of firefox from mozilla then yes, but I wouldn't use that with the same profile so you end up with the same solution
01:47<pirlo89>rami: LOL, no.
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01:48<rami>pirlo89: respect, I can give you that, wouldn't become milanista if Del Piero went to Milan :)
01:48<pirlo89>rami: but i might have to watch juve matches next time
01:48<pirlo89>rami: i think they are going to make a great duo
01:49<pirlo89>rami: just like the old times ;)
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01:50<rami>pirlo89: well they are old. Guess they deserve two more years to bask under the sun....would be nice to see them together week in, week out
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01:51<pretendo>chealer: yes in the bootup and when i hit alt f2
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01:51<rami>jm_: ok so this might be a stupid question. What would be the best way to install the firefox tarball?
01:52<pirlo89>rami: whats interesting is that he said that milan is going to regret letting me go, and the last time he was angry he scored a free kick against intermilan
01:52<rami>pirlo89: cuz he wanted to go to intermerda?
01:53<sney>rami: just untar it in your home directory and run it from there. it's what mozilla intends, generally
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01:54<pretendo>so after i installed fglrx the bootup resolution just became bigger im assuming i can change a setting ina config?
01:54<taglass>I believe firefox and iceweasel are goign to try to use the same profile though, so you're not gaining anything by trying to run both
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01:54<taglass>just use separate profiles or users
01:54<Nemoder>rami: much easier to just make another system user and run a 2nd browser session there
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01:55<pirlo89>rami: no, he was angry because they signed new contracts for the other old players in milan but not him. Allegri doesnt want him :(
01:55<sney>pretendo: that's because you lost kms. you'll have to pass some kind of vga= or gfxpayload= option to the kernel from grub to set the console resolution
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01:55<rami>taglass: and how can seperate profiles under the same user?
01:55<rami>Nemoder: I cannot even fathom how to do that :D
01:56<taglass>iceweasel -ProfileManager
01:56<rami>pirlo89: Oh well our gain :D
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01:56<Nemoder>hm ya profiles might be easier to setup
01:57<pretendo>xrandr -s 1024x768?
01:57<chealer>pretendo: uh, that was not a yes/no question.
01:57<pirlo89>rami: you guys are lucky to have him. anyway, i dont want to spam a debian channel. so i guess i will see u around ...
01:58<pretendo>ok
01:58<rami>taglass: that just gave me a new blank window?
01:58<rami>pirlo89: exactly. See you :)
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01:59<pretendo>i have a i915-kms.conf
01:59<taglass>rami: either exit all instanes of iceweasel or use iceweasel -ProfileManager -no-remote
01:59<taglass>I'm reading all of this straight out of man 1 iceweasel btw.
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02:00<rami>taglass: thanks. I'll RTFM then:)
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02:00<taglass>rami: good luck
02:01<sney>pretendo: kms only applies if you're using the 'intel', 'radeon', or maybe 'nouveau' driver. You're using fglrx. kms is not available to you.
02:01<pretendo>okay i see
02:01<rami>taglass: great! That worked. Thank you very much :)
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02:03<pretendo>0x31B
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02:04<jm_>now he'll come back saying passing vga=0x31B doesn't work
02:05<nevyn>which it won't
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02:05<nevyn>because you need to pass it to grub as an base10 int
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02:06<dan>hi
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02:07<dan>IDENTYFI
02:07<dan>IDENTYFY
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02:18<pretendo>hey how can i get my gnome network control back? on the panel
02:18<pretendo>nevermind sorry
02:18<pretendo>notification area was it
02:19<hever>If I use the official nvidia driver from nvidia my font sizes are bigger than without. And perhaps there happens more to the font I can't tell. Why does the graphic driver affect the font-sizes? (The non original driver settings looks a bit better)
02:19<sney>dpi probably
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02:23<jm_>hever: compare your DPI
02:23<jm_>xdpyinfo will show it
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02:30<pretendo>i have all these ".mod" files in my grub folder? what are they
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02:32<hever>jm_, ok thats a lot of output ;) how do I change the dpi?
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02:33<devil>pretendo: mod stands for modular in that case
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02:35<jm_>hever: via xorg.conf or X server option (-dpi)
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02:39<tiresias>register berurier
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03:02<guddu>hi
03:03<guddu>hi anyone tell me where i am?
03:03<Vyrus001>the moon
03:03<Vyrus001>light side
03:04<guddu>what is mean by the moon
03:05<Vyrus001>google
03:05<guddu>google?
03:06<meglaw>guddu: you are on #debian
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03:12<kusanagi>I add a group to my user with #adduser kusanagi testgroup but when I type $groups it does not show up... anybody know whats going on?
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03:15<jm_>kusanagi: anybody doesn't, but some do
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03:16<kusanagi>jm_, so, somebody know whats going on? :)
03:17<jm_>kusanagi: yes, you need to logout and login or use newgrp/sg/...
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03:18<kusanagi>jm_, sorry, or use what?
03:18<jm_>kusanagi: man newgrp sg
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03:19<kusanagi>thanks jm_
03:20<jm_>kusanagi: no worries
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03:28<Spence>hi guys, going to launch a lamp server and wondering weather to use debian or freebsd, please advise (only interested in server performance)
03:28<angga>what changes happened between 6.0.0 and 6.0.1?
03:29<angga>Spence: you're asking in Debian IRC, what answer do you expect?
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03:30<Spence>true, but i'd prefer a response from someone who has experience with both
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03:31<angga>ah ok
03:31<angga>never tried freeBSD before
03:31<aktiv[b]>does debian squeeze (gnome) have any option to invert colors?
03:31<angga>aktiv[b]: in what application
03:31<Spence>i used it back in the day out of person interest
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03:33<aktiv[b]>angga, preferably all ..
03:33<angga>aktiv[b]: GIMP has one
03:33<classical>Hi guys
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03:33<classical>i have disabled PrintMotd in my sshd configuration
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03:34<classical>but when i login via ssh /etc/motd is shown
03:34<aktiv[b]>asdjaputra: i don't mean inverting colors in a pic
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03:34<aktiv[b]>i mean all colors on screen
03:34<asdjaputra>aktiv[b]: use Compiz and install ccsm
03:35<aktiv[b]>compiz is hwaccel, right ?
03:35<asdjaputra>aktiv[b]: press Mod4(Win Key)+N to invert the whole screen color or Mod4(Win Key)+M to invert the whole window color
03:35<asdjaputra>i guess so
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03:36<aktiv[b]>long story short, i can't run compiz
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03:38<asdjaputra>magnifier -fiz 1
03:38<jm_>classical: /etc/motd is shown by the pam_motd module
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03:40<asdjaputra>aktiv[b]: type "magnifier -fiz 1" in the terminal
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03:43<aktiv[b]>asdjaputra: hehe
03:43<aktiv[b]>well, that sorta worked :)
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03:46<SorryGuest>hey
03:46<SorryGuest>I'm trying to check which user runs process tor, but it's owner seems to be... 103..? what is that?
03:48<jm_>it's a number
03:48<asdjaputra>SorryGuest: pid?
03:48<asdjaputra>or uid
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03:48<SorryGuest>what does it represent? is it consistant
03:48<SorryGuest>?
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03:50<asdjaputra>are you using "top" command?
03:50<SorryGuest>I'm using ps aux
03:50<jm_>getent passwd 103
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03:50<SorryGuest>I need the uid for iptables, where owner "debian-tor" would be convenient, but it doesn't seem to work like that
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03:51<SorryGuest>o
03:51<SorryGuest>it seems to be debian-tor
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03:52<SorryGuest>according to getent
03:52<SorryGuest>why 103?
03:52<SorryGuest>why not "debian-tor"?
03:52<asdjaputra>why 106 for hald?
03:52<asdjaputra>we don't know too
03:52<asdjaputra>lol
03:52<asdjaputra>i mean
03:52<asdjaputra>heh
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03:54<SorryGuest>no I reason it has a number, but why write the number in ps instead of the user-name?
03:54<asdjaputra>google?
03:54<jm_>probably because of field width limitation
03:54<jm_>so specify other format to display it like that
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04:04<Jarlaxe>hola there ! i upgraded to the 6.0.1, then from stable to testing. an odd thing, alssmixer disappered. I find nothing about this in forums, so i guess it is from my conf. Any idea ?
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04:07<jm_>disappeared how?
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04:08<Jarlaxe>i mean i used to use it. Now the package is not even display in aptitude
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04:09<jm_>from what I see alsa-utils exists in testing
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04:11<Jarlaxe>ha ha ha .... alsa-base have been disinstalled ! my mistake ! Thank you !
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04:39<SorryGuest>it's different.. iptables work if I run it as debian-tor and if I run it as user, in spite of owner-uid still being 103
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04:41<SorryGuest>sorry, let me rephrase that
04:41<SorryGuest>the iptables work if I run it as su debian-tor, doesn't if I don't
04:41<SorryGuest>owner-uid is 103 in both
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04:49<stderr>I really don't want to install random .deb files from the 'net, so I was wondering if it's possible to connect to a thinlinc server using proper Debian packages from main (and maybe contrib and non-free too)? Any hints on what packages I need?
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04:53<jm_>SorryGuest: who performs setuid() in the latter case then?
04:55<SorryGuest>jm_: what do you mean?
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04:55<therock>my 'sensors' output is a temp1 which is the only temp changing. When in Idle it stays at around 11C any idea what temperature this could be?
04:55<therock>115C
04:56<SorryGuest>I just run `init.d/tor start`, and it has the shows the uid 102 in ps
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05:01<jm_>SorryGuest: maybe tor itsels does it then, but it may create a socket first
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05:02<SorryGuest>hmm
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05:04<SorryGuest>you have a point there..
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05:05<jm_>see what lsof shows in both cases
05:06<SorryGuest>what command..?
05:07<jm_>uhm lsof
05:07<SorryGuest>nope.. don't have such a command
05:07<|Frederi1>apt-get install lsof ...
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05:11<SynrG>therock: hah. 115C? seems rather unlikely, hm?
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05:12<SorryGuest>it all seems to be debian-tor's
05:13<SorryGuest>however, it does work if I remove --uid-owner
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05:18<j_killer_>lk-dsajhä
05:18<j_killer_>AÖDHJ
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05:18<j_killer_>ölaje
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05:35<SorryGuest>jm_: thanks, g2g, you really helped a lot!
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05:40<jm_>SorryGuest: no worries
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05:44<sander_m>Hi. I am having some problems with SIP software on Debian. When I use slfphone-gnome my mouse cursor freezes during calls. The same thing happens when I use Jitsi (previously known as SIP Communicator, not in the Debian repositories). Any idea what causes this? I'm a developer so it is *really* annoying if I cannot use my computer while talking to a client
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05:56<manuj7>holaç
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06:59<s08dkoehler>hi
06:59<s08sromanowski>halllo
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06:59<s08sromanowski>wie gehts dir so??
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07:00<s08sromanowski>hallo niklas
07:00<s08dkoehler>hallo :D
07:00<s08noertel>haii
07:00<s08dkoehler>was geht
07:00<s08sromanowski>nicht viel bei dir??
07:00<s08noertel>wahnsin
07:00<s08dkoehler>noja sex :D
07:00<broucaries> have two strange bug for imagemagick #625250 and #622591. I am really clueless
07:00<s08sromanowski>richtig schlau
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07:01<s08noertel>wwer bist du ?
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07:01<s08sromanowski>hä?
07:01<s08noertel>damon fickt seine mama :D
07:01<s08sromanowski>hä?
07:01<s08sromanowski>also damon
07:01<s08noertel>sowas dummes
07:01<s08sromanowski>;D
07:01<s08sromanowski>orrr na danke ;D
07:01<fortes>Hello! I'm trying install firebird2.1 for debian lenny, but the package firebird2.5-common is required. Somebody can told me why?
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07:01<s08dkoehler>kp
07:01<s08dkoehler>:D
07:01<s08noertel>ich meine damon mit sowas dummes
07:01<broucaries>Anoyone to help ?
07:01<s08dkoehler>bitte deutsch :D
07:01<s08sromanowski>wie freundlich niklas
07:02<themill>!de
07:02<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
07:02<s08dkoehler>ja nor
07:02<s08sromanowski>:D
07:02<s08noertel>ja ganz genau
07:02<s08dkoehler>sex?
07:02<s08noertel>auslache
07:02<s08sromanowski>fotze ;D
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07:02<themill>s08sromanowski, s08dkoehler: please play elsewhere
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07:04<themill>fortes: lenny doesn't have a firebird 2.1 package at all. Can you please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output along with your sources.list? (also, "/msg dpkg bat" and provide some other useful output)
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07:13<fortes>themill: oops, sorry, it's squeeze, lenny has only 2.0
07:14<fortes>"aptitude install firebird2.1-super" returns "firebird2.1-common{a} firebird2.1-common-doc{a} firebird2.1-server-common{a} firebird2.1-super firebird2.5-common{a} firebird2.5-common-doc{a} libfbclient2{a} libib-util{a} libicu44{a} "
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07:16<themill>that looks entirely normal and unavoidable. ("aptitude why firebird2.1-super firebird2.5-common" for more info). You'll find that firebird2.5-common is a very small package and its installation isn't really an issue.
07:18<fortes>themill: Firebird backup is backward incompatible. The this worries me.
07:19<fortes>themill: I have another system running in another platform who runs fireird 2.1
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07:26<themill>fortes: that list implies that you're only installing the config files for 2.5 not the server itself. To see the contents of a package prior to installing it, you can use apt-file: "apt-file show firebird2.5-common" (/msg dpkg apt-file)
07:27<ferni>anyone knows what should be done to a firmware.ihex file to get it working?
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07:32<babilen>ferni: No, but what is it for?
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07:33<ferni>for edgeport/1 usb-serial adapter
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07:34<ferni>kernel 2.6.32 source includes the edgeport/down3.bin.ihex needed
07:34<ferni>debian decided not to include it, not even in firmware-linux-nonfree package.. stupid
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07:37<themill>ferni: you could file a wishlist bug to have it included, but note that if it appears to be completely un-redistributable then it cannot be included even in non-free.
07:38<fortes>themill: Thanks for info :)
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07:38<chl501>what is the right way to request a packaged to be added to the debian system?
07:38<babilen>ferni: Please see bug #548745 and http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware which links to edgeport firmware (edgeport/{boot2.fw,boot.fw,down2.fw,down.fw} -- I guess you can just download those files and place them in /usr/local/lib/firmware/edgeport
07:39<babilen>themill: Seems to be GPLv2, but the source code is unavailable
07:39<themill>dpkg: tell chl501 about rfp
07:39<themill>babilen: that would make it illegal for debian to redistribute it, so it's not even going in non-free
07:40<chl501>themill: thanks!
07:40<babilen>themill: exactly
07:40<themill>chl501: note that most RFP requests go un-answered, so if you have a particular interest in a piece of software, you might consider packaging it yourself, /msg dpkg nmg. What is it you're looking for?
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07:42<daemonkeeper>If its licensed GPL source code /has/ to be available.
07:42<ferni>babilen: yes, i have looked at it and it doesn't link to anywhere but to a non existent.
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07:42<ferni>and yes there is another bug report also and some discussion about gpl
07:42<chl501>themill: I am accustomed to work with source, but just hope that can be included to the repository so that when I e.g. recommend to my friends they can simply do `apt-get install packages-name' : )
07:42<babilen>ferni: damn :-\
07:43<ferni>dont't remember where I last time downloaded the firmware file..
07:44<ferni>but hey, kernel.org redistributes the fw, so its illegal for them also? or is this just another debian policy fail
07:44<mjt>how to make xterm (and other terminal emulators) and gui apps (like iceweasel, icedove etc) "interoperable" with X clipboard? When I select something in xterm i can paste it into iceweasle using mouse only, Ctrl+Ins and other usual keys does not work.
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07:56<gnugr>themill: grub can't see my 2nd distro even "fdisk -l " can see it (2nd HDD)
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07:57<gnugr>babilen:?
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07:58<babilen>ferni: Ok, what I've done right now is to download the kernel from kernel.org, patch the Makefile (line 1004 → INSTALL_FW_PATH=$(INSTALL_MOD_PATH)/home/babilen/foo/lib/firmware
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07:59<babilen>ferni: And run "make firmware_install" that will "install" firmware to /home/babilen/foo/lib/firmware (adjust the path to your own liking) and you can copy it from there to /usr/local/lib/firmware
08:01<babilen>ferni: There might be better ways, but that does the job
08:01<ferni>babilen: oh, didn'tknow there is a make firmware_install. thanks!
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08:03<betinho>how to find out which serial port (from all available) are in use?
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08:07<ferni>babilen: worked well, easy and fast. thanks again. have to remember that for the next time, actually that guide should go to http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
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08:08<leena>hi
08:08<babilen>ferni: hehe, great!
08:08<leena>ok
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08:15<betinho>i believe that's possible with fuser or lsof (anything else?); anyway ... my problem is to sniff the serial device (receives/sends) with strace, anyone knows strace to help me with that taks?
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08:16<sml>ciao folks
08:17<sml>can anyone think of a reason why Cron is unable to email the output of a cron job? As simple as it should be it's just not working. It's not stuck in the mail queue and I have specified the MAILTO variable in the crontab so I just don't get it.
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08:20<petemc>sml: what do the logs of the mta say?
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08:26<sml>petemc: am checking them now. problem is i've got it set to mail root and there are lots of cron emails that go to root so it's hard to see the wood for the trees. have changed MAILTO=root to MAILTO=sml so that I can at least see it easier when doing exiqgrep
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08:28<sml>petemc: the job runs fine though. there isn't a setting somewhere to globally allow or dissallow Cron email output for non-priviliged users?
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08:29<petemc>sml: theres not, im assuming theres something with your mta configuration
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08:41<SorryGuest>jm_: I tried lsof, I really can't see a difference.. can you think of anything else I can check?
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08:52<wrek-gar>http://paste.debian.net/117928/ <- how does one go about running the following?
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08:55<daemonkeeper>Compile it?
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08:56<SorryGuest>well g2g again.. sorry for bothering you like that.. at least I found how to do it right
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08:57<daemonkeeper>There are better password generators already in the archive though.
08:57<petemc>i still use perls silly werder
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09:07<AzaToth>I'm atm getting "(gvim:3564): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot retrieve class for invalid (unclassed) type `<invalid>'" when closing gvim, should I file it under vim or under glib?
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09:15<wrek-gar>http://paste.debian.net/117928/ <- how does one go about running the following?
09:16<daemonkeeper>I told you
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09:19<|Frederi1>apt-get install pwgen && pwgen -N 1 8
09:19<hdon>hi all :) i have a problem with firebug and window focus. is there any way for me to configure my X to not give keyboard focus to a particular kind of window?
09:19<|Frederi1>or google: "how to compile C file using gcc" :-)
09:19<daemonkeeper>He left, but yes, that's a better idea. Or Install makepasswd.
09:19<hdon>or is that a function of my window manager?
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09:21<ruyman>ola que tal a todos
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09:22<themill>!es-social ruyman
09:22<dpkg>ruyman: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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09:22<ruyman>ok gracias
09:22<wrek-gar>http://paste.debian.net/117928/ <- how does one go about running the following?
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09:23<wrek-gar>http://paste.debian.net/117928/ <-anyone know how to compile and execute this?
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09:24<themill>wrek-gar: you're more likely to get an answer if you don't /part immediately after asking
09:25<themill>(and that's a truly awful piece of code)
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09:26<wrek-gar>could you suggest something?
09:26<|Frederi1>pwgen
09:26<themill>mkpasswd
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10:02<derbe_n>what is the best way to go about setting the system language to english but every other locale setting (date, time, currency, sort order...) to e.g. german?
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10:02<derbe_n>I tried setting it in /etc/profile, but it all was changed to "C" now
10:03<derbe_n>(as reported by `locale -a`)
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10:03<derbe_n>I meant `locale`
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10:14<derbe_n>I also tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but it lets me only set which locales to be generated and choose a default one...
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10:15<derbe_n>...which then takes over _all_ the settings.
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10:22<MrFrood>derbe_n: you can override specice settings by putting lines in your shells rc files and/or the X init files - the exact file to edit and commands to use will depend upon your shell
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10:22<MrFrood>*override specific*
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10:23<garret>Hello, i have simple question, is there any only gnome-terminal-related config (like .bashrc)? I want to execute one command everytime gnome-terminal starts.
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10:24<babilen>derbe_n: Set them in your ~/.bash_profile for example (if you use bash). Run "locale" for a list of values you can set and http://wiki.debian.org/Locale for their meaning.
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10:28<MrFrood>derbe_n: http://pastebin.com/3NLi8bHQ from a .profile and .xinitrc of mine
10:28<hdon>hmm... can anyone tell me how to make talk(1) work?
10:28<hdon>i tried logging in under two different user accounts
10:29<hdon>and using the invocation: talk username pts/#
10:29<hdon>on both ends
10:29<hdon>i never get into chat
10:29<rpetre>hdon: iirc, you need to allow terminal writes with 'write on', but i might confuse things
10:29<petemc>you have talkd installed?
10:29<hdon>petemc, yes talkd is running
10:30<hdon>rpetre, what sort of command is that?
10:30<rpetre>man write
10:30<rpetre>ah, sorry, it;s 'mesg y'
10:31<hdon>rpetre, seems to make no difference
10:31<hdon>ohhhh
10:31*hdon tries something
10:31<derbe_n>oh right, silly me. I forgot to export my settings. thanks, MrFrood, babilen
10:32<hdon>no difference
10:32<MrFrood>np
10:32*hdon grumbles
10:32<hdon>i remember back in the deb 3 days talk just *worked* out of the box!
10:32<rpetre>hdon: sorry then, i haven't used it for years :(
10:33<hdon>rpetre, me neither. probably why it's bitrotting :(
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10:35<lorth>hello. this morning i got an update for my kernel, i installed it, and now when i try to boot it doesnt find the lvm2 volume groups. what can i do to fix this?
10:36<MrFrood>lorth: what version of Debian and which kernel?
10:37<lorth>squeeze, 2.6.32-5-686
10:38<lorth>i dont know if its related, but grub has the same kernel line twice now
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10:42<lorth>the error i get is "volume group 'debian' not found" / "no volume groups found" / "cryptsetup: evms_activate is not availible" / "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/$UUID does not exist. Dropping to shell!"
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10:50<gnugr>lorth: check this if can help: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410
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10:56<hdon>rpetre, ah i just found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532749
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10:57<sml>petemc: nothing in the mailq or logs. definitely not emailing out. that would only happen if standard error and standard output were null or redirected right? command is doing an scp which , when run from the command line, shows a progress bar. surely this is written to stdout? therefore i can't see why Cron is not emailing... :-S
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10:58<lorth>gnugr: not really, the busybox shell i get does not know about pvdisplay, lvdisplay, vgscan
11:00<gnugr>lorth: you can join #lvm channel on irc.freenode.net
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11:01<lorth>good idea, thanks :)
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11:09<inkbottle>I've got no space left on my root partition which is 9G; which is confirmed by find / -maxdepth 1 -wholename "/home" -prune -o -wholename "/proc" -prune -o -iregex "...*" -print|xargs du -s|awk '{sum+=$1} END {print sum}'; 1,8G /var; 6,5G /usr
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11:10<inkbottle>how could i help that?
11:10<sney>cleaned your apt cache lately?
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11:12<inkbottle>sney: well after cleaning I've got /dev/sda1 9611492 7891100 1232152 87% /; which is pretty close to the limit though
11:12<babilen>inkbottle: You could uninstall some packages or increase the size of /
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11:14<inkbottle>babilen: Is size increasing operation always possible/not too complicated (I think my fs is jfs?)
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11:15<babilen>inkbottle: Hmm, I have never done it with jfs, but it was trivial with ext3 on LVMs -- That, however, requires that you have unused space available right now.
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11:15<tom>Hallo is daar iemand?
11:16<babilen>!nl
11:16<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
11:16<babilen>tom: Or speak English in here :-D
11:16<tom>Kan geen antwoordt krijgen
11:16<sney>jfs does not support resizing, iirc
11:16<sml>Debian got GNOME 3 yet?
11:16<tom>Ik spreek geen engels
11:16<babilen>tom: Are you talking about #debian-nl? Sprichst du Deutsch?
11:17<babilen>!tell sml -about gnome3
11:17<tom>Ich spregge hollandisch
11:17<sney>sml: in experimental. it's working its way down the pipe. it'll probably be somewhat usable in testing within a few months.
11:17<inkbottle>sney: it will avoid me a lot of trouble then :-)
11:17<brovik>пардон за мой не совсем чистый английский,но епта я вроде не туда попал...
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11:17<jhutchins_lt>!ru
11:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
11:18<sml>is that supposed to be some kinda mIRC exploit , what brovik posted ?
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11:18<tom>not spaek englis
11:18<babilen>tom: Ja, klar. Warst du im #debian-nl kanal? "/join #debian-nl" (hier und im irc.freenode.net netz) -- Hilfe auf Deutsch kannst du in #debian.de kriegen
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11:18<sml>sney: cool
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11:18<jhutchins_lt>tom: Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
11:18<brovik>ok,i speak eng?but not so good)
11:18<babilen>sml: no, that was Russian
11:18<sml>babilen: Oh. <chuckle>
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11:19<inkbottle>sml: I tried gnome 3, but the usability is still limited
11:19*sml blushes
11:19<telx>how do i disable internal usb webcam?
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11:19<jhutchins_lt>telx: Find what driver it's using and blacklist it.
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11:19<tom>ich spregge Deuts und hollandisch
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11:19<sml>I was reading some article how it was the big thing in Fedora15 or whatever it's called. Thought I'd have a look though not really a fan of GUIs.
11:19<jhutchins_lt>!de
11:19<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
11:20<telx>7.027303] input: USB2.0 UVC 1.3M WebCam as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.7/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0/input/input10
11:20<telx>dont know how to blacklist
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11:20<babilen>tom: Versuchs in #debian-nl (hier auf OFTC und auf irc.freenode.net) und #debian.de in beiden netzen
11:20<babilen>!tell telx about blacklist
11:20<sml>I solved my cron problem. Seems when you run scp from the command line it displays output but when you script it it doesn't. What's with that?
11:20<telx>ty
11:20<babilen>ta
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11:20<sml>I did a blah.sh > output.txt; cat output.txt, and guess what. output.txt is empty.
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11:21<sney>add a 2&>1 onto the end of your redirection and see what happens then
11:21<kop>sml: Perhaps blah.sh outputs only on stderr.
11:21<sml>blah.sh contains a couple of lines of shell scripting but on one line it copies a file to a remote box. When run from the command line it generates a kind of progress bar.
11:21<sney>er, 2>&1
11:21<sml>but when I run the same command from blah.sh , zero output
11:22<sml>sney: but scp doesn't write output to stderr does it? it write to stdout ?
11:22<inkbottle>Since I had 'no space left' messages during the last upgrade; Is there some 'dpkg-reconfigure -all' to do; or maybe at least for grub, since there where a linux-image upgrade in it?
11:22<kop>sml: Some programs detect whether they are running interactively and adjust their output. (Come to think of it I can't recall how this is tested for.)
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11:22<sney>inkbottle: aptitude -f install, maybe
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11:23<sml>kop: oh really. useful to know. that would've saved me hours of pulling my hair out
11:23<jhutchins_lt>sml: It tests to see if it's in an interactive session or a script and considers the progress bar to be irrelevant if there's no-one watching the output.
11:23<kop>inkbottle: The release notes has remarks for your situation.
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11:23<sml>jhutchins_lt: super. so then I just put echo 'file copied' at the end of my script then
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11:23<inkbottle>kop: good to know that :-)
11:23<sml>what's the thing you do where if a certain command succeeds you do something else? is it blah.sh && echo 'file copied' ?
11:23<jhutchins_lt>sml: You could get all fancy and check the return value for an error or a success.
11:23<kop>How is "interactivity" tested for?
11:24<sml>kop: not run from a subshell perhaps ?
11:24<kop>sml: [ $? -eq 0 ] && echo "success"
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11:25<sml>kop: ta! :)
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11:27<sml>you need the square brackets ?
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11:28<kop>sml: man test
11:28<themill>(or, more precisely, "help [; help test")
11:29<jordanm>the /usr/bin/test is likely not used
11:30<themill>and if you're going to use #!/bin/sh, you want "man dash". And it's great how these three things are slightly different :(
11:30<kop>sml: I mostly wrote that to show you $?. If all you want is a success message you can do "scp ... && echo success" and not mess with $? Otherwise you can use an if to get messages on success and failure.
11:30<sml>kop: already done ;-) I guess I can get super fancy and use exit codes in the script too then based on wether the previous test succeeded or not
11:30<inkbottle>kop: I've found "make sure you have enough space before"; but I haven't found the what to do if you didn't
11:30<kop>jordanm: Yah. I always forget.
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11:31<kop>inkbottle: Isn't there something in the "what to do if things go wrong" chapter? Or am I mis-remembering?
11:31<sml>you guys are turning my hacked (yet working) piece of bash script into a proper shell script!
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11:32<inkbottle>kop: :-)
11:33<sml>themill: just changed /bin/bash to /bin/sh so I guess I should go read that too..
11:34<themill>!bashism
11:34<dpkg>Many people think all that is in bash is in sh and put #!/bin/sh to start their script with bash extensions instead of #!/bin/bash. From squeeze onwards, /bin/sh won't be bash but <dash>. See "checkbashisms" in the <devscripts> package -- you will need to either fix your scripts to only use real "sh" functionality (and leave them as #!/bin/sh) or change the first line to read #!/bin/bash.
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11:36<sml>themill: am not using any bash specific features..
11:36<inkbottle>kop: I'll do the <sney> inkbottle: aptitude -f install; it'll be fine
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11:39<derbe_n>"Synaptic" and "Software Sources" won't accept my password (I disabled root at install time). aptitude and gksudo work fine though. any hints?
11:41<tim_>I'm having an issue with xorg on Lenny on an iMac g3. I'm getting the error "fatal server error: no screens found". Can someone help me resolve this?
11:41<sml>Oh look at that! Worked first time! Has error handling and everything. Wohoo
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11:42*sml celebrates
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11:45<gnugr>!tell tim_ -about xorg config lenny
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12:43<Loke>?? help
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12:45<babilen>Loke: It is done. All your problems are solved! May you have a nice day. (AKA, what is your problem?)
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12:47<Loke>link descarga de debian?
12:48<babilen>!es
12:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:48<Loke>Grasias
12:48<babilen>Loke: Or speak English in here ... I *guess* that you are looking for: http://www.debian.org/distrib/index.es.html
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12:48<babilen>Loke: Denada :)
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13:01<sosaited>How can I install Debian 6 from the hard drive directly? I already have grub as I am on ubuntu
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13:03<arand>Either set up grub to boot from an iso (I know you can, not how.), or install using a chroot..
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13:05<tharkun>Gentlemen i have a working win server that is to be switched to debian. How do i get the pciid for the Hardware Raid card from windows. I would like to have the drivers allready downloaded before i start the instalation
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13:08<babilen>tharkun: No idea, maybe ##windows on irc.freenode.net know it
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13:08<tharkun>babilen: thanks I'll go for the liveCD. I am in no mood to deal with Windows
13:08<babilen>hehe
13:09<babilen>fair enough :)
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13:10<Abddu>During install I installed Polish keyboard (there were no multiple choices). Now I need to add another, Russian keyboard, and I'm completely lost and can't find solution in websearch. The 2 sets would be interchanged on the fly, without a reboot. Can you point me to proper packages?
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13:11<babilen>tharkun: I've asked in there. Am curious if it involves a of "click here, click there" or if there is a straightforward way to do it.
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13:12<babilen>Abddu: In X? Do you use a desktop environment?
13:13<ballison>i'm having problems with lvs (webserver ha). I have two servers running as directors. Both are running heartbeat. Verified heartbeat is working with tcpdump and netcat. All packets are getting through. When I stop heartbeat on one to test failover, the failover happens. the second one takes over and i see it's now the director with ipvsadmin -L. HOWEVER when i go to test the website with wget it no longer works.
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13:14<Abddu>babilen: Yes, X, KDE 4.4.5, but I absolutely wouldn't mind having access to both also in text environment (like virtual consoles).
13:15<babilen>!tell Abddu -about keymap
13:15<koollman>ballison: how is heartbeat configured ? what's in the /etc/ha.d/haresources file ? (or is it a v2 config with a lot of xml? )
13:15<ballison>I'm getting no errors in /var/log/ha-log. And I see in the director log that the second host (now active) took over successfully
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13:15<ballison>koolman: v1 - no xml.
13:16<babilen>Abddu: You can probably easily configure that in KDE, I use an /etc/default/keyboard like: http://paste.debian.net/117952/ which allows me to switch with "ALT-SHIFT" between the two keyboard layouts in X ...
13:16<babilen>Abddu: If you use KDE, I would just configure it there.
13:16<ballison>koolman: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VAtkFxwP
13:17<babilen>tharkun: devcon and siw.exe were the suggestions (but a live cd *might* still be easier)
13:17<ballison>koolman: it's set up to run /etc/ha.d/resource.d/ldirectord ldirectord.conf stop when it detects a failover
13:17<koollman>ballison: the ip addr is currently on the second one now ?
13:18<koollman>(that is, you can see it defined and it pings?)
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13:19<ballison>koollman: no idea how to check that. i can only run ipvsadm -L and see which one is the active director
13:19<Abddu>babilen: Thanks a lot, trying it right now.
13:20<ballison>koollman: I'm gonna stop heartbeat on the good director and record what the second one does.
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13:21<koollman>ballison: get the output of 'ip addr' (ideally, on both servers), see if that ip is in one of them or both
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13:21<koollman>if it's not just a networking problem, you will then have to find the lvs problem ... and I can't really help with that (yet. I will deploy such a thing soon enough :) )
13:22<ballison>koollman: how does ip addr help? it's not like it's changing the local ip address.
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13:23<ballison>I shutdown heartbeat on www1.atl and recorded what www2.atl did. It takes over and I can see it tookover in ipvsadm -L as well.
13:23<koollman>ballison: your configuration says it should add an ip adress (I assume the one used for the website)
13:23<ballison>here's what the logs say when it takes over --> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QnaEwvbQ
13:23<ballison>koollman: I think it just does a send_arp for that IP address
13:24<koollman>well, look at your logs: ip -f inet addr add 208.93.114.90/27 brd 208.93.114.95 dev eth0
13:24<koollman>that adds the address
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13:24<ballison>koollman: oh i see that now
13:24<ballison>and yes - it does have that in the ip addr locally
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13:25<ballison>but connecting to that IP doesn't work. :(
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13:25<koollman>maybe you have a firewall set up or something.
13:25<ballison>koollman: the IP pings
13:25<koollman>now you would need to see if that address is removed from www2 and added to www1 on failover
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13:26<Web-user>hallo suche musikeditor für debian
13:26<koollman>then ... the next problem to look for is lvs not working correctly. And that's a bit more difficult (to me)
13:26<ballison>koollman: it was removed from www1 (when i stopped heartbeat) and it's been added to www2 (which i see in ip addr)
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13:27<ballison>koollman: What's really strange is i had the reverse problem earlier. When I had www2 running at the primary director it worked and when i would try to switch to www1 it would fail. now i'm having he reverse problem :/
13:27<koollman>ballison: sure but www2->www1 seems to work. you have to find out why www1->www2 fails :)
13:28<ballison>koollman: if i telnet to the newly added IP addres on port 80 it connect but when i do a GET / HTTP/1.0 it just hangs
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13:29<koollman>ballison: well ... lvs debugging it will be, then
13:29<koollman>configure it to get more verbose logs.
13:29<koollman>might be an error hidden somewhere
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13:30<ballison>koollman: but nothing has changed. www2 was the active director earlier...
13:30<koollman>I suppose on a 'fresh' master it needs to check the backends, and depending of the check done, it may fail at first
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13:31<ballison>-- /var/log/ldirectord.log shows that it's "restored real server" and has a line for each of the webservers it's director to
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13:33<daemonkeeper>ldirectord is not the actual daemon but a frontend to ipvsadm/LVS. To debug it is more helpful to track connections (i.e. ipvsadm -c -L I think)
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13:36<ballison>daemonkeeper: ipadmin -L shows all the servers as i've set them up, but ipvsadm -L -c shows an empty table
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13:37<daemonkeeper>The latter is the forward table, is it still empty after trying to connect through the load balancer?
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13:38<ballison>daemon: I don't understand the question.
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13:40<ballison>daemonkeeper: I turned heartbeat back on on www1, www1 took over again from www2. iptable -L shows how I want it to load balance. And when I run ipvsadm -L -c I see all the established and closed connections. Something i did not get when www2 was the director
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13:40<jhutchins_lt>Cars tossed around in louisberg, no injuries.
13:40<jhutchins_lt>Oops, sry.
13:40<Web-user>Tach
13:41<Web-user>Deutschland Sieg Heil
13:41<ballison>daemonkeeper: so when www1 is the director it works, but when www2 is the director it doesn't work. :(
13:41<themill>Web-user: can we help you?
13:41<Web-user>kennt jemannd hitler
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13:42<ballison>daemonkeeper: here's what www2 does when i stop the heartbeat on www1 -> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QnaEwvbQ
13:43<daemonkeeper>I did not entirely follow your setup, how do you forward at all?
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13:45<ballison>daemonkeeper: I don't fully understand it either. I didn't set these machines up. :/ I'm not sure how forwarding it done with lvs. I see there is a lvs script which the previous admin added that gets called and that does the iptables nat redirect
13:45<daemonkeeper>So you forward by NAT
13:45<ballison>yes
13:45<ballison>daemonkeeper: and after www2 takes over. you can get a successful connection about 1 out of 5 tries
13:46<daemonkeeper>I guess your slave node misses some NAT rules, or you need some other quirks which are different on that host.
13:46<ballison>when trying to connect to the main website name/IP
13:47<ballison>daemonkeeper: i do see an entry in ipvsadm -L -c now. but only 1.. and there should be tons.
13:47<tharkun>Gentlemen which bot has the pciid db?
13:47<daemonkeeper>tharkun: judd
13:47<tharkun>daemonkeeper: thanks
13:47<daemonkeeper>ballison: Do ipvsadm -L are nodes weighted?
13:48<ballison>daemonkeeper: yes - weighted
13:48<daemonkeeper>Are your nodes having positive weights on www2?
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13:49<ballison>daemonkeeper: yes
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13:50<daemonkeeper>You should really see connections in your table then, whether working or not
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14:01<jut>hello
14:01<jut>I'm using sid and I've just done a dist-upgrade
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14:01<jut>but why I still have the 2.6.32 kernel while in the repository there's 2.6.39?
14:02<daemonkeeper>Kernels aren't automatically upgraded unless you installed the linux meta package
14:02<daemonkeeper>And even then the older is still left on your system
14:03<jut>I see
14:03<daemonkeeper>Install linux-image-2.6-686 (or whatever your flavor is) to get the latest available.
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14:05<jut>it says that the linux packages has been replaced by type-handling
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14:05<daemonkeeper>Also, I presume babilen wants me to point out, Sid is not supported here, but in #debian-next.
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14:07<zool>sera a tuti
14:07<jut>daemonkeeper, thanks
14:07<zool>tutti
14:07<daemonkeeper>zool: Please talk English here
14:07<zool>hello
14:07<jut>daemonkeeper, thanks
14:08<zool>help my?
14:08<ballison>daemonkeeper: It has to be an iptables issue. iptables was NOT running on the director that WAS working.
14:08<daemonkeeper>How can we help you? Please note there is #debian-it as well.
14:08<ballison>darmonkeeper: i turned iptables back on and BAMF - it stopped working.
14:08<tase>Hello
14:08<tase>all
14:09<daemonkeeper>ballison: This is what I guessed, yes.
14:09<zool>search support language italiano
14:09<daemonkeeper>zool: Vai a #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano
14:09<zool>thanks
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14:10<ballison>darmonkeeper: Problem is i don't know what needs to be added. locally, using just the default ip for eth0 the connect to port 80 is open via the firewall.
14:10<ballison>daemonkeeper: but when it try the IP for the webserver (that got added via ip addr to eth0), it just hangs
14:10<babilen>daemonkeeper: yay! sure :)
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14:11<daemonkeeper>ballison: I can't tell you without seeing your complete setup, and even then debugging firewalls is a complicated thing.
14:11<daemonkeeper>ballison: Perhaps ask the $someone who configured your system back then.
14:11<ballison>daemonkeeper: correction, both IP's work when connecting from localhost to them on port 80
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14:12<tharkun>babilen: Thanks, I ended up using the livecd and spending the best part of 20 minutes for the server to reboot on linux. Since it booted perfectly on ubuntu 8.xxxx (only live available on the office) i do not expect any trouble to fire it up with squeeze
14:12<jhutchins_lt>ballison: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
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14:17<ballison>darmonkeeper: that URL does not work at all for me
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14:19<daemonkeeper>It was jhutchins_lt who provided you the Howto, but it works for me.
14:21<ballison>Chrome says "other users are experiencing a problem with the site... " oh well. I think the problem is we block all ports. We only open specific ports on boot. problem is the IP is getting added AFTER that with the director takes over for that.
14:21<koollman>ballison: so, it is, after all, a network issue :)
14:22<koollman>remove firewall rules , try again. if it works, work in the rules
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14:51<kusanagi>after successfully mounting a partition with encfs as root with --public and -o uid=user, i get a "Permission denied" when i try to create a file as such user. Does somebody know what am I doing wrong?
14:52<kusanagi>the folder belongs to the user and has write permissions :/
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15:38<alfred>je connais pas grand chose a ca;comment on change de nickname?svp
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15:39<devil>!fr
15:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
15:39<zif>!fr
15:39<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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16:02<m1co>hello!
16:03<m1co>i'm having a trouble deciding if i should go with Fglrx or xorg-radeon drivers on my fresh debian install using ATI Mobility RadeonHD 4500
16:03<m1co>anyone with more experience on this?
16:03<devil>m1co: try radeon first
16:03<m1co>alright, thanks
16:04<devil>m1co: dont forget to install firmware-linix-nonfree
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16:04<m1co>apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree works for it?
16:04<m1co>(been a while since i've been on linux)
16:04<devil>firmware-linux-nonfree, that is. needs non-free in sources.list
16:04<m1co>alright, gonna check it
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16:05<devil>it that does all you want, there is no need to install proprietary software
16:06<devil>you
16:07<m1co>good:)
16:07<devil>you can also check http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature on the state of radeon driver for your card
16:07<m1co>can't yet, still installing xserver
16:07<m1co>am on tty2 :P
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16:08<Max00>hey guys, I made a mistake when installing the nvidia drivers on my debian 6 sqeeze system.. since I'm pretty new with linux, I decided to check some forums and I found this command "module-assistant install nvidia"....
16:08<devil>yeah, might not look nice in a text-only-browser :)
16:08<Max00>after a reboot.. I was unable to get the gdm working.. only a blinking prompt (btw.. I have ssh access to the server). Could you guys give me a hand with this? where I need to start investigating?
16:09<m1co>wtf is "Id: "co" respawning too fast: disables for 5 minutes" message on my tty :P?
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16:10<devil>Max00: the right way would be http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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16:10<m1co>Max00: if your gdm didnt start up, then it's prolly something wrong in xorg.conf after installing new drivers
16:10<devil>m1co: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin please
16:10<m1co>google for it, on some drivers you should get rid of xorg.conf completely i heard
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16:10<devil>m1co: there is no more xorg.conf :)
16:10<Max00>devil, I'm checking the link, thanks man
16:11<devil>unless you use prop. drivers, then you need a snippet
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16:11<m1co>devil: mine is still there and it's self-evolving too:P i tired using ATI official drivers from webpage yday
16:11<m1co>and it wrote bunch of stuff into xorg.conf and screwed everything up:P
16:11<devil>m1co: it could cause havoc
16:11<Max00>m1co, I have no xorg.conf file.. is the right path "/etc/X11/Xorg.conf?
16:11<devil>Max00: no
16:11<m1co>yes Max00 but without capital X
16:11<devil>Max00: its xorg.conf.d now
16:12<m1co>why the hell im still having this "old school" one then, gonna snoop around there! :P
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16:13<devil>Max00: for nvidia driver you need a snippet. i will pastebin it
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16:13<m1co>will the mesa-glx stuff that aptitute automatically installed with "xdm" take over the radeon drivers from xorg package?
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16:14<devil>Max00: http://paste.debian.net/117972/
16:14<Max00>OK guys, I have no xorg.conf.d config
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16:14<Max00>that's probably the problem right?
16:14<SynrG>no
16:14<devil>Max00: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
16:14<SynrG>by default, neither xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/ are created
16:15<devil>Max00: create it, touch 20-nvidia.conf and put http://paste.debian.net/117972/ in it
16:15<m1co>hmmhmm. did i forget something? i installed xdm, fluxbox, xserver-xorg and xfs
16:16<m1co>but "startx" gives illegal command
16:16<Max00>ok... btw I don't even have the xorg.conf.d directory
16:16<Max00>is that OK?
16:16<SynrG>17:14 < SynrG> by default, neither xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d/ are created
16:16<devil>m1co: xinit?
16:16<SynrG>Max00: ^^
16:16<SynrG>i.e. yes, that's fine
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16:17<Max00>SynrG, Oh..got you
16:17<Max00>:P
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16:17<m1co>hah, devil that was it!
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16:20<Max00>devil, I'm done with that
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16:25<Max00>devil, :) it's working !
16:26<Max00>thanks guys.. I admire your patient with these stpd questions.
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16:27<Max00>thanks devil and SynrG !
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16:28<SynrG>everyone gets to be a newbie once
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16:28<SynrG>next time you'll know
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16:29<Max00>:)
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16:31<m1co>what's the most chrome-like browser one could get for debian?
16:32<m1co>i got absolutely no clue what to choose
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16:33<felicity>is there a package for restricted "real time" graphical interaction for multiple users? ... controlling a separate cursor by each user simultaneously
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16:41<dondelelcaro>felicity: for what purpose?
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16:43<m1co>#3
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16:43<felicity>for purpose of visual collaboration, like jointly creating presentations, graphics, documents
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16:48<javi0>aca estoy tharkun
16:49<devil>m1co: chromium-browser
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16:49<m1co>thanks devil found it:P
16:49<m1co>do docks such as cairo-dock etc. work on fluxbox?
16:49<devil>m1co: sure
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16:50<m1co>good, coz this looks ugly as hell right now:P
16:50<devil>oh, fluxbox, i dont know, i was thinking xfce
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16:50<devil>fluxbox is ugly :)
16:50<m1co>i suppose i just need to get a bunch of gnome libraries for it to run
16:50<m1co>will find it out:P
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16:51<m1co>but i dont want DE i wanna learn and make something out of flux:P
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16:51<devil>thats awesome *hint*
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16:54<m1co>googled it, seems i need window compositor for it
16:54<m1co>gonna try Compiz as it's the onlyone i have heard of
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17:00<Max01>SynrG, now is working, but kind of awful (like before problems :)
17:00<Max01>SynrG, I just ran the nvidia-settings command and it generated the xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/
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17:02<Max01>SynrG, do you know how can I check if that is the file being loaded? because there's a lot of info in there.. but my monitor is working with wrong frequencies
17:02<Max01>the xorg.conf file contains the proper ones
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17:09<felicity>so, i take it that there isn't really a good package to do a multi-user live graphical collaboration....
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17:12<kop>felicity: X11vnc?
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17:13<devil>Max00: why do you need nvidia-settings?
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17:15<devil>Max00: if you think the info is needed, mv it to the 20-nvidia.conf
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17:15<devil>just make sure there is no sections for input devices in there
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17:16<felicity>thanks for the lead kop
17:16<Max>devil, yep, I'm reading about 10-evdev.conf
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17:18<Max>devil, and I used that tool as a recommendation in forums.. you know.. those things people do when they don't have a clue
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17:19<devil>Max: right. never try to change things that do work.
17:19<SynrG>Max: both xorg.conf and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* will be used, if present. and you can verify what's used by looking at messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log anyway
17:19<Max>devil, so I'm reading from a.. more formal? source now :-) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
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17:19<Max>SynrG, ok, but I've changed some freq numbers and there were no changes :(
17:20<devil>Max: debian wiki should have appropriate info
17:20<SynrG>Max: man xorg.conf
17:20<SynrG>Max: look under DESCRIPTION about how the files are used
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17:22<Max>I'm frustrated.. I'm able to config ftps, mail servers.. proxy servers.. web servers.. and various others.. but I'm not able to get my monitor show the image I want
17:23<SynrG>also under INTRODUCTION about precedence, if you've supplied the same info in more than one place
17:23<Max>what a shame --.--
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17:24<SynrG>Max: here's a working /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/viewsonic_p810.conf i wrote to deal with incorrect EDID info: http://paste.debian.net/117977/
17:25<SynrG>Max: prior to this, i could only get default resolutions
17:25<Max>SynrG, oh.. but I have the resolution I want (1920x1200)
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17:26<Max>the problem is the refresh freq... and the horizontal and vertical freqs
17:26<Max>checking your link
17:27<SynrG>hmm. i have my doubt now whether that config actually fixed it, though
17:27<SynrG>let me do a couple of tests with it
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17:27<Max>haha
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17:29<SynrG>Max: yes. it does.
17:29<SynrG>Max: the confusing part is that i could find no evidence in Xorg.0.log that the settings were used
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17:30<Max>SynrG, take a look at my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file http://paste.debian.net/117979/
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17:31<Max>I've changes some values in the monitor section
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17:35<SynrG>Max: do you also have stuff in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? if so, please pastebin
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17:36<nyov>is the rezlooks GTK engine in debian repos?
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17:36<Max>yes.. I only have one file.. the one I created with the information supplied by devil
17:36<shadenzo>goood night from italy
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17:37<Max>SynrG, Section "Device"
17:37<Max> Identifier "Device 0"
17:37<Max> Driver "nvidia"
17:37<Max>EndSection
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17:37<SynrG>Max: did you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere?
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17:37<SynrG>Max: did you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere?
17:38<Max>SynrG, on it
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17:39<pretendo>hi when i hit users in term. i get four of the same
17:39<pretendo>and when i do who its tty2 tty7 pts/0 pts/1
17:39<pretendo>is that normal?
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17:41<SynrG>pretendo: yes
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17:43<Max>SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/117981/
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17:45<SynrG>well, line 21 says it is using your Monitor0 definition
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17:45<SynrG>i find it curious that in spite of your ServerLayout definition that says to use "Device0", instead the log says it's using "Device 0"
17:45<SynrG>not that this should matter
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17:46<SynrG>(that is, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ definition seems to supercede the earlier one in xorg.conf)
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17:47<Max>SynrG, I understand
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17:47<Max>SynrG, so can I merge both ones?
17:47<SynrG>you'll see your mouse & keyboard sections are wrong
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17:47<SynrG>and Xorg actually just ignores those
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17:48<SynrG>it should autoprobe them anyway, so they're useless
17:48<Max>ok.. let's remove them from xorg.conf
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17:50<sosaited>I am trying to install Debian Squeeze via Grub2 and mounting the ISO. I have http://pastebin.com/wnyu0x2F as the entry in grub.cfg. After the language selection etc, I get the "Detect and mount CdRom" error.
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17:51<LotR>you can have both an xorg.conf and an xorg.conf.d active at the same time? that seems weird
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17:52<SynrG>LotR: according to man xorg.conf, yes
17:52<SynrG>Max: nvidia driver seems to output very little info by default
17:52<SynrG>read the doc to see if you can make it chattier
17:53<Max>ok
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17:53<SynrG>Max: pastebin the output of: xrandr --verbose
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17:57<SynrG>Max: also: xdpyinfo -ext XFree86-VidModeExtension
17:57<Max>SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/117985/
17:57<SynrG> 1920x1200 (0x1b4) 115.2MHz *current
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17:57<SynrG>that's current. isn't that correct?
17:58<sosaited>Anyone?
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17:59<Max>np
17:59<SynrG>Max: ah. 60KHz is lower than it's capable of?
17:59<Max>74.2KHz
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18:00<Max>SynrG, I think that's a proper value (it is shown in the monitor's OSD)
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18:01<SynrG>(II) May 25 17:54:27 NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "nvidia-auto-select"
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18:01<SynrG>Max: ^^ i don't know what this is. i guess it tries probing modes
18:01<SynrG>and fails for you
18:01<Max>SynrG, yeah.. I saw that line
18:01<SynrG>Max: did you do the xdpyinfo?
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18:02<SynrG>Max: for me it shows me that hsync and vsync range are what i think they should be
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18:02<Max>SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/117987/
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18:03<SynrG>we're interested in the stuff from line 914 down
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18:04<Max>SynrG, OK, those are the right numbers for hsync, vsync.. I checked on the verdor's webpage before
18:04<SynrG>Max: it looks fine to me. any visual problems with that mode?
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18:05<SynrG>if it's an LCD display, low vert refresh shouldn't cause problems, really
18:05<m1co>could anyone tell me, how to reinstall debian from grub's recovery mode?
18:05<m1co>i screwed up bigtime, reinstall seems easier than fixing
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18:06<m1co>i got no CDs etc. just one tty to do something
18:06<SynrG>Max: for CRTs, it's fairly typical for the highest mode to be at some sucky vert refresh rate
18:06<SynrG>i usually drop the highest modes
18:07<SynrG>refer back to my viewsonic config. that's why i specified Modes in there
18:07<SynrG>so i would never see the higher res, but lower refresh modes, which hurt my eyes and head
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18:07<Max>SynrG, well, the nvidia driver solved some flickering issues.. so that's OK.. but some effects are not working as expected
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18:08<SynrG>Max: refer also to your xrandr output. you might try adding a Modes line to your Display subsection for your screen to select only the modes with refresh rates you like
18:09<Max>SynrG, I mean.. I don't give a crap about effects.. but I assume something is not working as expected
18:09<Max>oh, that sounds good
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18:10<SynrG>i really don't know why it thinks it can do those crazy high-res modes. they certainly look unpleasant to me :p
18:10<SynrG>i wouldn't use anything higher than 1024x768 on this particular monitor, i think. 70Hz is nice and flicker-free
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18:12<Max>well I bought this 24" monitor to work as a TV in a small place some years ago... Today is my only monitor and, I love big resolutions :)
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18:13<SynrG>well, different people have different tolerances to flicker
18:13<Max>;)
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18:13<Max>lol
18:13<Max>haha
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18:13<ballison>daemonkeeper: thank you for your help earlier - i got LSV all working.
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18:15<daemonkeeper>Welcome
18:15<Kaelic>according to this doc (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en) in order to recover GRUB in the Mbr, once you're mounted in the root file system in rescue mode, you can just use grub-install, but the command isn't found, is the doc out of date for squeeze?
18:15<Max>SynerG btw.. is there a new SynrG version? :)
18:15<Max>the last one I used was SynerG 2
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18:16<Max>on 2008 I think
18:16<SynrG>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate "On larger CRT monitors (17" or larger), most people experience mild discomfort unless the refresh is set to 72 Hz or higher."
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18:16<engywucz>hi
18:16<SynrG>Max: i have no idea what that is
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18:17<SynrG>Max: my irc nick is a contraction of the word "synergy", and i've been using it since 1994 or so
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18:18<themill>,info synergy
18:18<judd>Package synergy (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network. Version: 1.3.1-5; Size: 590.5k; Installed: 1436k; Homepage: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
18:18<Nemoder>very handy app
18:18<Max>SynrG, It made my life easier for many years :) http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
18:18<engywucz>I have a wlan interface I want to keep on getting its IP address via DHCP (use it in different nets), but automatically add a static "sub-interface" to it, like I get when doing "ifconfig wlan0 add 10.0.0.100 netmask 255.0.0.0" after it's up
18:19<engywucz>is this possible with just some magic in /etc/network/interfaces
18:19<themill>Nemoder: up to the "modifier keys get stuck" point, yes. At that point it's incredibly frustrating.
18:19<SynrG>Max: ah. i use that, yes, but you misspelled it, so ...
18:19<engywucz>or do I need to write some custom "up" script?
18:20<SynrG>Max: and "The first incarnation of synergy was CosmoSynergy, created by Richard Lee and Adam Feder then at Cosmo Software, Inc., a subsidiary of SGI (nee Silicon Graphics, Inc.), at the end of 1996." i took the name first :)
18:20<Max>SynrG, yep.. my mistake
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18:21<Max>SynrG, :-)
18:21<SynrG>my eeepc is the synergy server to control the multimedia PC in the livingroom, which is attached to a 32" LCD TV
18:22<Kaelic>If anyone can give me a hand restoring GRUB to the MBR I'd be grateful :)
18:22<Nemoder>themill: I juts use double-tap to switch systems, and scroll lock to restrict it
18:22<SynrG>sadly, the pc is a PIII/1000, not really capable of HD, even though it has a reasonably good agp nvidia card in it. that's slated to be replaced with a slightly less ancient PIV in the next couple of months or so :)
18:22<Nemoder>never had an issue with stuck keys
18:22<SynrG>Max: but this is better suited to #debian-offtopic :)
18:23<SynrG>Max: did you try adding a Modes line?
18:23<daemonkeeper>SynrG: A P4 is a rather bad idea, speaking of power consumption (and therefore noise) which is crucial for living room PCs
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18:24<grummund>hi, following an aptitude safe-upgrade, i get:
18:24<grummund>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486
18:24<grummund>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100
18:24<daemonkeeper>grummund: So do that and install the said firmware (if you care about your network connectivity)
18:24<grummund>daemonkeeper: i did
18:25<SynrG>daemonkeeper: for 'free' (or close enough to it) my options are limited
18:25<grummund>daemonkeeper: then i did dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.32-5-486, and the same warnings happen again
18:25<SynrG>daemonkeeper: it's the old system from work, repurposed as a home system
18:25<daemonkeeper>You installed the wrong one, if the warnings persist
18:25<daemonkeeper>You need firmware-linux-nonfree:
18:25<grummund>so is this a problem?
18:26<grummund>aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-linux-free
18:26<SynrG>daemonkeeper: also, i'm sad the gfx card never reached its full potential in its current home. bat as i said, #debian-offtopic :)
18:26<daemonkeeper>_nonfree_
18:26<daemonkeeper>SynrG: ack
18:26<grummund>ok, so i need to add nonfree to sources.list ?
18:26<daemonkeeper>Yes (non-free to be precise)
18:26<grummund>ok, and if i don't do that?
18:27<daemonkeeper>You don't have network upon reboot
18:27<grummund>hmm, ok. :(
18:27<grummund>non-free it is
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18:28<Max>SynrG, no, I did not try adding modes. After check the available modes, I think that's the only one which meets the resolution I want
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18:29<Max>SynrG, thanks for the time man.. and let's switch to #debian-offtopic :)
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18:31<SynrG>Max: np :)
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18:45<m1co>could anyone help me out with this aticonfig error?
18:45<m1co>"Fail to link fglrx-libglx.so, please check wether driver is installed correctly.
18:45<m1co>when i do aticonfig --initial
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18:46<SynrG>!ati
18:46<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
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18:47<SynrG>aside from that, no idea. i use 'radeon' and steer away from fglrx
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18:47<m1co>i tried using 'radeon'
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18:47<m1co>but opengl doesn't work:(
18:48<m1co>using Mobility HD4500
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18:48<SynrG>hm. works fine for me once i install the firmware
18:48<SynrG>linux-firmware-nonfree from non-free
18:48<m1co>i can see the "non-free" in aptitude
18:48<SynrG>other way around
18:48<m1co>means i have non-free repo checked?
18:48<SynrG>firmware-linux-nonfree
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18:49<SynrG>did you try radeon driver with firmware-linux-nonfree?
18:49<m1co>hmh, says "firmware-linux-nonfree" is already at last version.
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18:49<SynrG>maybe you need more recent firmware for that card. dunno
18:49<m1co>ohwell, will see! brb!
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18:50<babilen>m1co: You also need libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration
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18:50<babilen>gah!
18:50<SynrG>that too. i was just going to say :)
18:50<SynrG>get him when he comes back i guess
18:50<babilen>sure :)
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18:58<TheVier>hii
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19:01<Kaelic>well if anyone was curious, it seems the Debian installer I was using lacks grub and grub-install, so Rescue mode is a bit more useless in it
19:01<Kaelic>haven't tried the larger versions, was using Small CD
19:01<Kaelic>ended up just using the Ubuntu live CD, had all the tools I needed
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19:11<adi>hey guyz...
19:11<adi>gud mrng..
19:11<adi>n ofcrz i need sm help..
19:12<adi>so iz dre ny1 ta hlp me ou...
19:12<themill>help typing, it seems
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19:12<adi>mayb..
19:13<adi>jz el me if u cn hlp me ou...
19:13<adi>if u cud el me abou sth regrdn isin hydra in backtrack4..
19:13<themill>!moronspeak
19:13<dpkg>FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see http://www.hohto.to/forums/index.php?board=5;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up.
19:13<adi>i ll b delightfl ta u..
19:13<pretendo>anyone know of a playstation emulator. that comes with everything you need. i thought there was in the repos pcsx but i guess not
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19:14<adi>cmon speakou..
19:15<themill>adi: you want #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net, and you want to try asking in your actual question there in full sentences.
19:15<dondelelcaro>dpkg: no, moronspeak is <reply> If you expect anyone to listen to you, speak english properly without using abbreviations. See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k> <ur>.
19:15<dpkg>dondelelcaro: okay
19:15<dondelelcaro>dpkg: moronspeak =~ s/speak/write/
19:15<dpkg>dondelelcaro: OK
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19:17<adi>dondelelcaro: sorry bro..
19:18<Kaelic>people actually write like that? as in, for real?
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19:18<daemonkeeper>As you can see?
19:18<adi>K just plz do tell me something about hacking software hydra..in backtrack4...
19:18<bst>cryptology unlocked
19:18<Kaelic>Well, it could just be someone being a dick
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19:18<babilen>,versions pcsxr
19:18<judd>Package pcsxr on i386 -- sid: 1.9.92-2; wheezy: 1.9.92-2
19:19<daemonkeeper>adi: As themill told you backtrack is not supported in #debian.
19:19<babilen>pretendo: It is apparently in sid and wheezy. You could try to backport it manually -- /msg dpkg ssb
19:19<adi>it do support guyz..
19:19<themill>adi: please ask #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
19:19<adi>m using it!!!
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19:23<babilen>pretendo: pcsxr that is (see judd's output above)
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19:26<pretendo>hrm it must be because i had testing before
19:27<ZykoticK9>where else, besides top, can you see the system load information?
19:28<pretendo>deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
19:28<pretendo>is that wrong
19:29<babilen>pretendo: There is no backport of that package on bdo, you have to do it yourself. /msg dpkg ssb
19:29<babilen>ZykoticK9: htop, "ps -eo pcpu,pid,user,args | sort -k 1 -r | head -10", sar, ...
19:30<babilen>ZykoticK9: iotop, ..
19:30<ZykoticK9>babilen, i'm ideally looking for something non-interactive, that I can grep the output of to isolate just the load info.
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19:32<demooriaan>cat /proc/loadavg
19:33<tharkun>Gentlemen how do i mount a /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 ?
19:33<ZykoticK9>demooriaan, thank you very much.
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19:33<pretendo>http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
19:33<pretendo>?
19:33<babilen>!tell pretendo -about ssb
19:33<pretendo>i see it
19:33<babilen>pretendo: "/msg dpkg ssb" would have been the command to type in your IRC client
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19:33<pretendo> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>)
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19:34<diego>Hi, can I get a bit of help with iptables ... I'm trying to block a port for requests except for one ip
19:34<diego>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j DROP
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19:34<pretendo>thats where i got the backport source
19:34<tharkun>diego: use before the posted rule one to allow that single ip
19:34<diego>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -s external_ip -j ACCEPT
19:35<diego>tharkun: sorry, is my rule followed by the second one ok ?
19:35<diego>or vice versa ?
19:35<demooriaan>-s !pi
19:35<babilen>pretendo: Ah, ok. I thought you were searching for pcsxr on backports
19:35<tharkun>diego: it is indeed important to allow first then to deny all the rest so it works as you intend. First ocurrence is the one that rules
19:35<demooriaan>-s !ip-number
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19:36<diego>cool, thanks! working now
19:36<diego>I was putting then in the inverse order lol
19:36<diego>:)
19:36<diego>so, that will block any ip except for the external one on ssh right ?
19:36<tharkun>rephrasing my question is a /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 mounted in a standard way or do i need to mount some special device?
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19:37<tharkun>diego: yes, if that is what you intend to do it will work
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19:37<tharkun>try using a proxy to check it for yourself
19:37<ZykoticK9>What does ssb in the above dpkg factoid stand for? Sid Source Build?
19:38<gsimmons>dpkg: literal ssb
19:38<dpkg>"ssb" is "<reply> see simple sid backport"
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19:38<pretendo>babilen: i was. i just dont get it i have to
19:38<ZykoticK9>gsimmons, thanks
19:39<pretendo>i have to do sid-backports?
19:40<babilen>pretendo: Those are general instructions to fit many support situations. :)
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19:41<babilen>pretendo: No, you download the source package and compile it locally for squeeze
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19:42<babilen>pretendo: The method to do so (easily) is described in the "ssb"factoid. It becomes hairy if you also have to backport dependencies that have not been backported yet.
19:43<tharkun>But then again doable
19:44<ZykoticK9>babilen, do the final packages installed using this ssb style packages get updates the same as binary packages do? How does "aptitude safe-upgrade" deal with them, if at all?
19:45<tharkun>ZykoticK9: As a rule of thumb the most you get off the beaten part the most work YOU will have to do
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19:45<babilen>ZykoticK9: It does not. As soon as you do this you are in charge of maintaining the package for squeeze (only locally though)
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19:46<ZykoticK9>tharkun, babilen I assumed as much, but wanted to verify. Thank you both.
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19:46<tharkun>ZykoticK9: Some times when you get a bunch of friends that use the same package. Usually one does the maintenance and the rest enjoy :D
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19:49<babilen>tharkun: The problem is that the person who is the maintainer either tries to get it into bdo or grows a massive beard
19:49<tharkun>:D
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19:56<tharkun>Gentlemen how can i check if a kernel module is on the netinst cd? specially the cciss one?
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20:08<dvs>tharkun: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686/filelist
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20:15<tharkun>dvs: thanks a lot
20:17<dvs>np
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20:28<kusanagi>whats the difference between using pam_mount and fstab to mount something?
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20:33<tharkun>One last question for the day. What is the recomended filesystem for a general purpose server (DNS DHCP mail http) is it still ext3 or does ext4 is now production ready?
20:33<daemonkeeper>ext4 is production ready since over a year
20:34<dvs>I still dont trust it.
20:34<tharkun>xfs seems to be praised a lot above ext4
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20:34<daemonkeeper>Don't use XFS unless you know what you're doing
20:35<tharkun>daemonkeeper: doesn't the benefits outpace the risk for a fairly stable system?
20:36<tharkun>daemonkeeper: Anyway thanks for your insight i will take a look at ext4. Although as dvs mentioned it. It ends up beeing a matter of trust :D
20:36<daemonkeeper>A "fairly stable system" would be a system running ext3/4. In fact benefits are rather small or fairly equal when compared to ext4. On the other hand you /will/ risk to seriously loose data on power outages
20:37<daemonkeeper>There is no reason not to trust ext4 (or to trust it more than ext3 or even ext2)
20:37*dvs has a UPS
20:37<willwh>hey guys, any iphone users around? :]
20:37<willwh>what are ppl using to jailbreak their devices
20:37<daemonkeeper>willwh: A Mac?
20:37<willwh>I don't see redsn0w with a current linux release (Wtf!?)
20:37<willwh>nah - I don't run osx
20:37<willwh>./topic
20:37<willwh>wups
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20:40<tharkun>daemonkeeper: Redundant ups and redundant powersuplies for this piece of metal. But nontheless I'll look further into it (I think that isue was fixed not long ago)
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20:41<daemonkeeper>Its not an issue, its by design for XFS
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21:14<willwh>wow, I'm shocked
21:14<willwh>I guess everyone that was building linux versions of jailbreak tools bought androids ^_^
21:14<willwh>bah!
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21:18<arand>willwh: No but there are likely channels where it would be more on topic than in here..
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21:50<nmcbride>i'm a little confused I am trying to rebuild dvdauthor but when I try to install it I get a error saying I need to add some repos for sources
21:50<nmcbride>but in /etc/apt/sources.lst I have deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free and two others?
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21:52<dvs>nmcbride: you want "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian"
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21:53<nmcbride>dvs: oh not the whole line?
21:53<dvs>nmcbride: yes it is but ftp.us.debian.org
21:53<dvs>and why is it testing?
21:54<sney>for sources, you need deb-src lines
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21:54<sney>also, don't use 'testing' in your sources.list, use the actual release codename. in this case it's wheezy.
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21:55<nmcbride>sney: even if I'm running out of sid?
21:55<sney>it's recommended to use the codenames regardless. no surprises.
21:57<nmcbride>oh i see what you are saying
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21:58<nmcbride>hmm changing to deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian didn't change anything for me
22:01<sney>well you have to have both deb and deb-src lines, and you have to aptitude/apt-get update every time you change sources.list
22:01<nmcbride>oh!
22:01<sney>I am not sure how you are running sid without knowing these things
22:03<nmcbride>I unsquashed am image setup to run from sid
22:04<nmcbride>kinda funny arch boasted how good the ABS was (that is the distro I used to use)
22:04<sney>abs?
22:04<nmcbride>and they didn't have an equivelent to 'apt-get build-dep'
22:04<nmcbride>Arch Build System
22:05<sney>ah
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22:06<nmcbride>it was basically just a local cache of all the PKGBUILDS you needed to build a package
22:07<sney>I've been a debian user for going on 12 years so I don't pay a lot of attention to what the other guys are doing
22:08<nmcbride>i like to different things
22:08<nmcbride>I didn't like the lack of package signing in arch
22:08<nmcbride>so i came accross aptosid
22:08<nmcbride>but I didn't like how they had everything set up
22:08<sney>fyi, testing/unstable support is supposed to be in the channel #debian-next
22:08<nmcbride>oh
22:08<sney>I keep forgetting because it's a new channel, but just so you know
22:09<nmcbride>ok thanks
22:09<nmcbride>so right now i'm runing a debian sid install and a LMDE install
22:09<nmcbride>but they both seem almost identical to me
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22:10<sney>lmde is just shy of being a debian blend. I often wonder why these based-on distributions don't just make blends, but whatever, it's probably political
22:10<nmcbride>what is a blend?
22:10<sney>nmcbride: read this http://deb.li/sidfaq
22:10<sney>!blend
22:10<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.alioth.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net.
22:11<nmcbride>oh a spin in the fedora world
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22:11<dvs>blasphemy!
22:11<Planet8>I don't get this. I have a box running squeeze with xfce over vnc. When I boot the box without a monitor plugged in, the box boots (I can hear from the noise of the HD) but I can't ping it or ssh into it. If I attach a monitor it's blank. If I attach a monitor during boot everything is fine.
22:11<nmcbride>lol
22:11<nmcbride>i do agree though
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22:12<nmcbride>aside from there few tools and initial setup everything is right out of sid
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22:12<leonardo_>hi
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22:12<Planet8>Is this some xfce related stuff perhaps? I have never had problems using vnc and KDE before. I don't get why the box only works when a monitor is plugged in.
22:13<sney>Planet8: I've seen that before where the system won't come up if it doesn't detect a display
22:13<sney>usually modern-ish desktops and I think it's a bios thing, though it might be gpu-dependent as wel
22:13<nmcbride>what would this mean
22:13<nmcbride>E: Build-Depends dependency for dvdauthor cannot be satisfied because the package docbook-to-man cannot be found
22:14<nmcbride>i only get 3 hits on google lol
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22:15<Planet8>sney, crazy ass computer goes right out the window. Thanks for confirming this.
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22:16<nmcbride>so what do you do when the package (dvdauthor) needs docbook-to-man
22:16<nmcbride>yet it isn't in the repos?
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22:16<nmcbride>how was it initally built?
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22:17<sney>judd: versions docbook-to-man
22:17<judd>Package docbook-to-man on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.0.0-27; sid: 1:2.0.0-28; squeeze: 1:2.0.0-28; wheezy: 1:2.0.0-28
22:17<sney>well it is supposed to be there
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22:18<nmcbride>hmm, um lol
22:19<nmcbride>and you said right now testing would be wheezy?
22:19<sney>right
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22:21<nmcbride>sney: I was trying to browse the repo to see if it was there
22:21<nmcbride>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/
22:21<nmcbride>not sure where to go from there
22:21<nmcbride>just went to testing since this is what was set up to pull from
22:22<sney>remember, sid is unstable. it's not called that because of the individual package versions, but because of the state of the distro as a whole. Sometimes weird shit happens and we can't really explain it. It's part of the process
22:22<dvs>nmcbride: http://packages.debian.org/testing/
22:23<sney>nmcbride: actually, can you pastebin your sources.list so I can look at it? just stick it in http://paste.debian.net/ and link the paste
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22:25<nmcbride>http://paste.debian.net/117993/
22:25<dvs>nmcbride: you still don't have the ".us." part in there.
22:26<nmcbride>i know
22:26<nmcbride>wanted to go see what the difference was before I made the change
22:26<dvs>!ftp.debian.org
22:26<dpkg>ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information.
22:27<nmcbride>oh, that makes sense :D
22:27<adi>Guyz can anyone prefer me keylogger fa backtrack4
22:27<sney>I use cdn.debian.net, it gives me my geographically closest mirror. works great as long as you're using your isp's dns
22:27<sney>!bt4-magic
22:27<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net.
22:28<nmcbride>why would you use bt4 anyway when bt5 is out ;)
22:28<adi>I know man..
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22:29<adi>itz one of ma old OS..
22:29<sney>adi: whatever, you're still in the wrong place.
22:29<adi>now i m gonna switch ta bt5
22:30<adi>sney: K bro...
22:30<adi>I ll check out on Bactrack-Linux
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22:31<sney>adi: if you can't figure out how to get there, here's a link, irc://irc.freenode.net/backtrack-linux just right-click and hit connect
22:32<adi>Thnx sney... I gotcha!!
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22:33<nmcbride>sney: any thoughts on why i can't find that package?
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22:35<sney>nmcbride: I thought you said you were using sid
22:37<nmcbride>sorry i thought sid was testing
22:37<sney>!overview
22:37<dpkg>Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>.
22:37<sney>any of those keywords in <>, you can do /msg dpkg keyword
22:37<sney>and dpkg, our factoid bot, will teach you loads of stuff about debian.
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22:38<nmcbride>that is awesome :D
22:38<sney>I recommend you spend some time reading. I can probably fix your problem but you should really learn it yourself, especially if you're going to be a testing user
22:38<nmcbride>if you woldn't mind helping me with this I would appreciate it
22:38<nmcbride>and i'll start reading at the same time
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22:39<sney>step 1, fix your sources.list.
22:39<nmcbride>so there is something wrong with it then
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22:40<dvs>...
22:40<nmcbride>or you mean the .us?
22:40<sney>are you using your ISP's dns or something like google/opendns?
22:40<nmcbride>ips
22:40<sney>delete or comment out the lines you have and start over.
22:41<dvs>huh? it's not far off
22:41<sney>deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free
22:41<sney>copy and paste that onto the second line as well, but change the first word to deb-src.
22:41<sney>save, aptitude update, try again
22:42<sney>dvs: no security for wheezy, and best to boot 3rd party repos out when you're nailing down an apt issue
22:43<dvs>ftp.us.debian.org is 3rd party?
22:43<sney>dvs: no, dmm. the 3rd line on his sources.list
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22:43<dvs>oh.....
22:43<sney>so 2 lines are unnecessary and 1 is wrong. better to just start over
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22:44<mercutio22>I need to erase some hotswap scsi disks on a server. How can I list the device names?
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22:46<mercutio22>I mean.. the device name of each disk. How can I find it?
22:46<mercutio22>supposedly in /dev/
22:46<sney>ls /dev/sd*
22:46<mercutio22>ok... thanks
22:48<nmcbride>the debian-multimedia is the 3rd party you wanted me to temporairly remove?
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22:50<sney>yeah
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22:52<nmcbride>oh lol i found out the issue
22:52<nmcbride>I changed all the lines to deb-src and removed all the regular debs
22:53<nmcbride>...
22:53<sney>good job
22:53<nmcbride>agree that was pretty dumb
22:54<javi0>amigos alguien sabe como puedo crear un usuario para el correo postfix en mysql?
22:55<sney>!es
22:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:55<javi0>sorry
22:55<sney>no te preocupes
22:55<javi0>me equivoque
22:55<javi0>chauu
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23:07<kusanagi>whats the difference between using pam_mount and fstab to mount something?
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23:21<nmcbride>if i want to add a switch to configure
23:22<nmcbride>I add it after %configure?
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23:46<glenio>fala amigo blz
23:46<glenio>alguem
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23:56<kop>kusanagi: fstab (with the auto option) mounts at boot. pam_mount mounts when pam is invoked, at authentication time.
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