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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-05-28

---Logopened Sat May 28 00:00:13 2011
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00:00<ivo_>It was pita to upgrade
00:00<dvs>upgrade what?
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00:00<ivo_>because I had to install the nvidia driver the nvidia way
00:00<ivo_>so I had to do it manually from now on
00:01<ivo_>nyov knows
00:01<ivo_>to 2.6.38
00:02<ivo_>but a big + is that my dm_raid is working slightly better
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00:09<JerrySpringer>hey thank you sney my sound works now!
00:09<sney>no problem! enjoy!
00:10<JerrySpringer>=D
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00:58<linux-fox>i have install wheezy in my notebook of hp v3000
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03:04<Carl>Can I run a VM on Xen?
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03:42<olspookishmagus>good morning everyone
03:43<olspookishmagus>this Gnome 3 is really starting to get on my nerves
03:43<olspookishmagus>and this shouldn't be the way hence it's Saturday morning
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03:43<madduck_>does anyone have an idea how to get a conexant accessrunner dsl modem working these days?
03:44<madduck_>the previously working driver cxacru now ignores the device in favour of cx82310_eth, but the latter does not seem to do anything -- no PPP link device, no network device whatsoever, and no cooperation with br2684ctl
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03:48<madduck_>sometimes i wonder why I run sid...
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03:51<lac_>what
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03:53<madduck>yes? :)
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04:06<madduck>solution: boot 2.6.32 :(
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04:15<kristian>So i've made a clean debian install with openbox
04:16<kristian>and I havent got any sound
04:16<kristian>anybody know how to install the appropriate drivers?
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04:22<ibrahim>!list
04:22<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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04:26<Carl>Can I run a VM on Xen?
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04:32<Osiris_X>trying to package some software and lintian is telling me I need to register some docments in doc-base - but I can't figure out how to do it as part of my build - any ideas how to do it?
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04:46<thewanderer1>!mentors
04:46<dpkg>mentors is probably the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
04:46<thewanderer1>Osiris_X: ^
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04:48<Osiris_X>thanks thewanderer1
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04:52<Carl>Can I run a VM on Xen?
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05:19<dutchfish>Carl, yes, unless it changed its purpose overnight ;)
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05:21<momo-lee>hello there
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05:26<david>ola
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05:28<nyov>which tool is the best-working between all those apt-cacher/mirror/proxy variants?
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05:38<urbanfbi>hi
05:39<urbanfbi>I've installed debian squeeze on my notebook yesterday. I'm wondering why there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... but I'm logged into KDE. so where can I find this file?
05:40<babilen>!tell urbanfbi -about empty xorg.conf
05:40<babilen>!tell urbanfbi -about xorg.conf.d
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05:41<babilen>nyov: Heard goog things about apt-cacher-ng and squid+deb caching -- /msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng -- /msg dpkg squid deb caching
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05:41<babilen>good things even :)
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05:42<nyov>babilen: now I started checking out apt-proxy first :P - well I'd like to avoid squid on this one if I can
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05:43<babilen>nyov: apt-cacher-ng was developed as a replacement for apt-proxy. Yeah sure, don't use squid if you don't want to, just wanted to mention it as an alternative
05:44<urbanfbi>!tell urbanfbi -about xorg config
05:45<babilen>!tell urbanfbi -about selftell
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05:45<urbanfbi>lol
05:45<babilen>urbanfbi: But honestly: Just create device specific files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ if you really have to configure something manually. What are you trying to do?
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05:47<urbanfbi>babilen: nvidia
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05:47<babilen>!nvidia
05:47<dpkg>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
05:47<babilen>!nvidia dkms
05:48<babilen>!nvidia dkms
05:48<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
05:48<babilen>urbanfbi: Do that ^^^^ (or the legacy ones) -- brb
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06:05<Out`Of`Control>!ati
06:05<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
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06:06<madadam1>Hi, someone can help me to understand which services are useless at startup?
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06:07<Carl>dutchfish: I am going to try qemu on Xen
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06:18<idank>is it possible to set the desktop on the right monitior with a dual setup? on gnome that is
06:18<idank>whatever I try in Preferences -> Monitors, the desktop shows up on the left screen
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06:22<idank>nm, dragging everything seemed to solve it for now
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06:29<th>do i need to reboot after changing my hostname in /etc/hostname?
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06:33<abrotman>th: depends where you want it to take effect .. for some things yes, some no
06:33<SynrG>th: it is only read by an init script. but you can rerun that init script
06:33<SynrG>abrotman: some things? what else reads it other than the init script (the name of which escapes me. grep is your friend :)
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06:34<cheater>hi
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06:34<cheater>in an ext3 file system, how does the fs know where the block addresses end in an indirect block?
06:34<abrotman>cheater: in which OS?
06:34<th>i ran the script, it's /etc/init.d/hostname.sh. thanks to abrotman and SynrG
06:35<cheater>linux
06:35<abrotman>that's a kernel, which OS
06:35<cheater>ubuntu 32-bit ? i guess
06:35<cheater>11.04..
06:35<abrotman>cheater: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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06:36<abrotman>SynrG: i thought i'd seen some items reference the new name .. perhaps i'm mistaken
06:36<cheater>i'm fairly sure there's no difference between debian and ubuntu in that regard.
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06:36<SynrG>and i'm fairly sure this is a debian support channel
06:36<SynrG>not a "ask your general linux questions" channel
06:36<SynrG>s/a/an/
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06:37<cheater>if i download a debian livecd and boot it, can i ask that question?
06:37<abrotman>cheater: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
06:37<abrotman>or try ##linux on freenode
06:38<SynrG>oh, you've got me now. you've found a loophole. yes, i'm forced to answer your question if you exploit that loophole.
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06:38<abrotman>does the livecd use ext3 filesystems?
06:38<ompaul>squashfs
06:39<sailand>всем привет
06:39<mjr>well, you can always mount one using it
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06:39<ompaul>!ru
06:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
06:39<abrotman>!ru
06:39<sailand>!ru
06:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
06:40<sailand>привет
06:41<abrotman>sailand: we don't understand a word you're saying, we're not russian
06:41<sailand>hi
06:41<cheater>he said "hello to everyone", and then just "hello"
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06:41<ompaul>sailand: Пожалуйста, говорите по-английски
06:41<abrotman>and he's gone ...
06:41<ompaul>so he is
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06:47<mjr>(FWIW, jumping on someone presenting a question that perfectly applies for Debian to ask for what distro they're using is a rather intellectually dishonest excuse to avoid answering. If generic Linux questions are not welcome, that's a honest reason. This former method doesn't really flatter the Debian "support".)
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06:47<abrotman>mjr: you mean as opposed to someone who comes here running another distro, pretending to be Debian, when they're found out, they claim it's a general question, then leave in a huff ?
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06:49<mjr>I didn't see anyone pretending anything
06:49<SynrG>mjr: thank you. that's exactly what i meant, dialing back the snark a notch or two
06:49<abrotman>mjr: he did not .. others in geneal do .. you're not on freenode, it's a bit worse there
06:49<abrotman>general
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06:50<abrotman>(at one point, #ubuntu was directing people with difficult questions to #debian on freenode)
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06:50<mjr>abrotman, oh, well, I can see how that would be annoying
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06:51<abrotman>mjr: and to be fair, i only picked it out because the nick looked funny, did a /whois, and he hadn't changed his username
06:51<SynrG>mjr: oh, i have totally failed to get your point. you meant the opposite of what i thought :p
06:51<SynrG>sigh. back to my comment on -offtopic ... i should not answer people before my first coffee
06:51<abrotman>hehe
06:52<mjr>abrotman, ah. That also explains a bit.
06:53<SynrG>mjr, abrotman: anyway, if you want to discuss further with me about it, ->OT
06:53<mjr>I mean, so it wasn't just a case of "hmm, a nontrivial question, let's try to see if we can weasel out of answering while not looking lazy ;)
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06:54<abrotman>SynrG: mjr isn't there!
06:54<SynrG>which is why i invited him
06:54*abrotman watches in pain while an alpha does security updates ..
06:55<nevyn>really..
06:55<nevyn>sigh.
06:55<abrotman>hehe
06:55<abrotman>it's due to be replaced RSN
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07:00<ayoub>Hello
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07:01<ayoub>I have a kernel panic
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07:01<ayoub>How can i restore the last working configuration ?
07:01<th>i've just accidentally disconnected a mounted usb flash drive (ext4 fs, default mount option, default option during mfks). i still can see the mount entry if i run mount. how do i remove/unmount this?
07:02<th>*mkfs
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07:02<ayoub>@th : install gparted
07:02<ayoub>and connect your usb
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07:03<ayoub>run gparted and you'll your usb storage
07:03<ayoub>on it
07:03<ayoub>do a roght click and click on moun/remount :)
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07:05<th>the entry is /dev/sdb1. i have reconnected the usb drive, now i have /dev/sdc1, i can use my usb drive just fine. the problem is that /media/sdb1 is still a mount point, how do i umount /dev/sdb1? umount /dev/sdb1 says it's busy
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07:05<ayoub>restart your pc
07:06<ayoub>and redo the umount command
07:06<ayoub>it should work fibe
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07:07<SynrG>ayoub: need more information about your kernel panic. did you just upgrade your kernel? if so, from what to what?
07:07<th>ok then, i'll just ignore it and reboot later since i can't reboot right now
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07:17<ayoub>No i did not
07:17<ayoub>@SynrG i did not upgrade my kernel
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07:19<cozminsky>anyone run into problems with the plasma mouse action "application launcher" in the new kde 4.6.3?
07:19<cozminsky>like it launches two copies of the application
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07:22<SynrG>ayoub: so, what changed?
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07:23<cozminsky>aha, found it
07:23<cozminsky>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272732
07:23<SynrG>ayoub: you asked how to "restore the last working configuration". we have no idea how to answer that unless we know what changed between the last time things worked and now.
07:24<SynrG>the short answer is: "a complete restore from last known good backup of the system", of course :)
07:24<SynrG>but i think that's not the sort of answer you were looking for
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07:25<SynrG>ayoub: it's also useful for us to know the exact nature of the panic (pastebin the traceback)
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07:26<SynrG>and what kernel version
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07:27<ayoub>How can i know the exact nature of the panic
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07:27<ayoub>is there a log i can find ?
07:28<ayoub>?
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07:29<SynrG>ayoub: yes. it should be logged to /var/log/syslog
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07:29<SynrG>unless the panic crashes the system completely before the log gets written
07:30<SynrG>if that's the case, see:
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07:30<SynrG>!kernel panic
07:30<dpkg>[kernel panic] any issue presented to the kernel that it cannot handle. Ask me about <norootfs> for "missing root filesystem", or check your LILO/GRUB config. See the Documentation directory in the source for capturing and printing good stack traces and <regression> testing; see also <netconsole>, <serial console>.
07:31<SynrG>but we don't need to bother with that if you can find it in your logs
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07:33<gouki>I'm installing via netinst, and I missed the option to select the desktop environment at boot. will it be made available during the installation process?
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07:33<babilen>gouki: No, but you can easily install Xorg and Gnome later -- /msg dpkg install x -- /msg dpkg install gnome
07:34<babilen>gouki: I personally prefer that approach as I don't end up with the massive gnome metapackage
07:34<ayoub>i can find it
07:34<ayoub>but i can't open with gedit
07:34<gouki>babilen, am I missing something or was there an option to select it at boot?
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07:34<babilen>gouki: No, but there is a package selection dialogue later during the installation.
07:35<SynrG>gouki: there is a boot parameter
07:35<abrotman>he can run tasksel later if he wants ...
07:35<SynrG>see debian installation guide, 'preseeding' in one of the appendices
07:35<babilen>gouki: There are boot parameters though which also allow you to select a different desktop environment (kde, xfce, lxde)
07:35<SynrG>it indicates how to select desktop
07:35<SynrG>it's probably easier to just install it afterwards
07:36<gouki>Oh, I see. So, by default, I'll only be given Gnome as an option, without 'preseeding'.
07:36<SynrG>although ...
07:36<SynrG>yeah. it can be a pain to remove the desktop afterwards
07:36<SynrG>so you might want to uncheck the 'desktop' option
07:36<babilen>gouki: There are different CD1 flavours with different defaults
07:36<SynrG>then afterwards, install the desktop you want
07:36<SynrG>babilen: but he's using netinst ...
07:37<babilen>gouki: But just install the base system and you can pull in whatever you desire later :)
07:37<SynrG>certainly this is an area that might be made easier for netinst installs :p
07:37<babilen>SynrG: yes :)
07:37<SynrG>having some arcane preseed param be your selection mechanism is a bit unfriendly
07:37<babilen>SynrG: Doesn't the graphical installer allow you to choose between "alternative desktop environments"
07:37<babilen>?
07:37<gouki>babilen, SynrG - Thank you both for the tips.
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07:38<babilen>SynrG: It is hidden under "advanced options" in the boot screen IIRC
07:39<SynrG>oh
07:39<SynrG>i fail to see how that's 'advanced' :p
07:39<babilen>yeah
07:39<SynrG>it's a very basic thing
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07:41<SynrG>babilen: #511287
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07:47<SynrG>babilen: very interesting discussion if you take the time to read it through to the end.
07:51<babilen>SynrG: Later :)
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08:00<SynrG>babilen: hmm. actually, as a boot option like that, it's not bad
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08:02<SynrG>and considering the discussion on #511287, i think is a good compromise. when you indicated 'advanced' i was thinking of the advanced mode of the installer, not the Advanced menu for boot options.
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08:02<SynrG>er, "expert", i meant
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08:05<SynrG>gouki: ah, and i missed this factoid, which we should have consulted from the beginning:
08:05<SynrG>!install kde
08:05<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
08:05<SynrG>(the factoids for other DEs give similar advice)
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08:54<Bengt>How do I "link" a directory to a svnrepo
08:55<Bengt>so I can do svn ci -m 'text" and it gets added?
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08:58<weasel>start with checking out the svn repository.
08:58<weasel>(or a directory in it.)
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08:59<Bengt>weasel the svnrepo is empty and I want it filled with a dir in my homedir
09:00<weasel>it's not empty. it has a root directory.
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09:00<weasel>probably best if you tried to follow one of those svn howtos out there
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09:01<Bengt>weasel got it working, but a folder have old svnrepo data, how do I remove it=
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09:02<weasel>there are several approaches one could take. I prefer the svn checkout and add one. there's also an svn import which I never use.
09:02<weasel>I don't know what your problem is there.
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09:02<Bengt>svn: warning: '3.0.0' is already under version control
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09:04<weasel>did you rm -r 3.0.0 before?
09:06<Bengt>no
09:06<weasel>then I don't know. unfortunately I don't have the time to find out with you. maybe somebody else can help you
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09:13<Bengt>Google is <3 -> find . -name .svn -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf
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09:51<flor>does anyone know how your are supposed to install debian on a machine running a UEFI firmware? (without BIOS emulation)
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09:52<flor>I didn't find any documentation on debian.org whether the installer image could be boot from UEFI or not
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09:54<thewanderer1>I don't really know if my server's mobo has BIOS emulation, but I booted Debian from a CD on UEFI
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09:55<flor>I've no cd drive…
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09:57<flor>if you're able to probe efivars kernel module and to use efibootmgr, then there's no doubt you're in EFI mode
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10:02<thewanderer1>yeah, I've seen some CLI-like EFI environment before booting that
10:02<thewanderer1>what exactly I did there, I don't remember... too long ago :P
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10:48<CyL>what is the preferred way of installing skype on debian?
10:49<babilen>CyL: (x-post) Or just download the packages and install them.
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10:51<CyL>babilen: sorry, about the cross-post, I am in a little hurry, and though that maybe I could get a quicker answer, I was wrong, and thanks again for the advice
10:51<babilen>well, no problem (just wanted to indicate that this was a cross-post for helpers that are not in both channels)
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10:54<abigail25>hi, what command in the terminal will give me info on my cpu?
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10:56<smb>abigail25: cat /proc/cpuinfo
10:56<grove>I have just put 'set syntax=on' in my very simple (see it at http://pastebin.com/2K5hyrvi) .vimrc, but I still have to type ':syntax on' when I open a file. Any clues to what might be wrong?
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10:57<valdyn>grove: wrong syntax, put "syntax on" into your .vimrc
10:58<daemonkeeper>(i.e. without set"
10:58<valdyn>grove: or why did you use something else in vim than in vimrc ?
10:58<AlaPietila>abigail25: also try dmesg | more
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10:59<abigail25>thanks guys!
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11:01<grove>valdyn: Because I read somewhere that "set ..." was the right syntax and though vim just supported a short form in interactive mode
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11:02<Zaba>grove, if I am not mistaken, set syntax=foo and syntax on are two different things
11:02<Zaba>(the former selects the specific syntax highlighting to use, whereas the latter turns it on)
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11:03<grove>Zaba: Okay, that explains why it has to be different from the other things I set
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11:16<dh123>?
11:16<sney>hi.
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11:22<dh123>hi
11:23<dh123>where are u?
11:23<sney>the internet!
11:23<dh123>...
11:24<dh123>chinese?
11:24<daemonkeeper>!zh
11:24<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
11:24<daemonkeeper>(And I'd still appreciate in dpkg supporting UTF)
11:24<dh123>看懂的回复!
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11:25<dh123>看来里面的中国人没有
11:25<dh123>~~~
11:25<daemonkeeper>/this/ is not #debian-zh
11:26<dh123>什么意思?
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11:29<lee-0>Hi.
11:29<dh123>没人说话?
11:29<dh123>hi
11:30<mxkid>@2wsxcde3#
11:30<lee-0>What do you use to connect to your cell phone via bluetooth? Wammu doesn´t read all messages, kdemobile wants me to specify a device, and I don´t know which one.
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11:32<dh123>via google,search the question. :}
11:32<lee-0>I tried that and didn´t find anything useful.
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11:40<lee-0>so which device is it for kmobiletools?
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11:54<lee-0>so nobody has connected a cell phone?
11:55<sney>nobody here right now
11:55<sney>maybe if you ask later
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11:57<lee-0>Hopefully ... gnokii looks a little promising ...
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11:57<thewanderer1>I've tried that but failed every time... apparently my phone is half-compliant
11:59<lee-0>Which phone do you have?
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12:32<babalu>hello people
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12:33<dabir>i suck at linux. :.
12:34<dabir>:(
12:35<dabir>and the documentations/manuals at debian.org don't really help me understand
12:35<petemc>which parts?
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12:35<lee-0>What are you trying to understand?
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12:37<dabir>i'm trying to understand how to operate on linux -_-
12:37<dabir>right now all i can do is surf the web confidently
12:38<lee-0>like doing what?
12:39<dabir>hmm i',m not really sure exactly. i just want to be able to DO STUFF to my computer.. right now i feel dumb
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12:40<tharkun>dabir: first and above all you need a goal. Then get the means to achieve that goal.
12:40<lee-0>It´s like trying to get a train ticket: You seem to know you want a train ticket, and you don´t know where you would like to go.
12:41<dabir>installing software for starters
12:41<dabir>i know the apt-get commands and all
12:41<dabir>but i don't know how to properly search for things.. everything seems to be in 'code'
12:41<lee-0>did you try aptitude?
12:42<Arrowmaster>yeah try the interactive aptitude interface
12:42<lee-0>and there´s apt-get search
12:42<arand>dabir: Why not use software centre and / or synaptic to start off with?
12:42<petemc>apt-cache search
12:43<lee-0>or dselect ...
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12:43<petemc>or not
12:43<dabir>no the aptitude is very nice. thank you.. software centre or synaptic seems to noobish for me
12:43<lee-0>you need to browse through the package descriptions to get an idea of what is available --- or look for software for a particular purpose
12:43<dabir>well not noobish
12:43<Arrowmaster>dabir: good man, aptitude is what you want it you want MORE POWER!
12:44<dabir>yes^ & further understanding. how long till i understand things?
12:44<dabir>just started two days ago
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12:45<dabir>ok petemc
12:45<dabir>i did apt-cache search wine
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12:45<dabir>and it comes up with a whole bunch of files
12:45<lee-0>It´ll go faster once you figure out what you need to understand.
12:46<petemc>thats expected
12:46<dabir>o ok
12:47<lee-0>and then you read the package descriptions
12:47<dabir>thank s for all help :) i now want to understand how 'files' work a little more
12:47<zy>Hello everyone, is there any restrictions from GPL on web pages generated by GPL'ed cgi script? ( the html code will for certain contain some of the GPL'ed code in the cgi script )
12:48<lee-0>dabir, do you mean packages?
12:48<dabir>kinda. how would i be able to tell apart a file/package?
12:48<dabir>like a text file/package
12:49<daemonkeeper>zy: Your question is whether a generated HTML code from a GPL'ed source file is da derivative work?
12:49<lee-0>dabir, packages are files
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12:49<zy>daemonkeeper: yes
12:50<daemonkeeper>zy: Is that CGI script supposed to generate a static HTML file, i.e. doe it write one to a file, or do you refer to generated HTML output?
12:50<smb>dabir: A package is a .deb file (e.g. foo-1.2.3.deb); you can install the package, and that puts a whole load more files on your computer which you can do things with
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12:51<dabir>okay packages have .deb at the end but text files do not have .txt after them. how do i tell them apart?
12:52<dabir>or are all files written in text?
12:52<smb>debir: You get binary files and text files; most files are binary.
12:52<zy>daemonkeeper: it generate html page on the fly, with some data from other sources.
12:53<smb>you can do something like "file foo.bar" to see what kind of file something is
12:53<smb>if it's a text file it will say "ASCII text"
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12:54<smb>if it's binary it will try to be intelligent and identify what type of file it is (e.g. PNG image, quicktime movie, ...)
12:55<daemonkeeper>zy: Given that it is most likely a derivative work. If in doubt, the authors of the CGI script can tell. If it would produce a static file without any references to the CGI it wouldn't. However IANAL.
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12:57<zy>daemonkeeper: what does 'produce a static file without any references to the CGI
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12:57<zy>what does that mean?
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12:59<daemonkeeper>zy: Well, say you run a CGI script which parses some form data and produces a totally independent output file from it, you can take, copy somewhere and use it without having any dependency to the CGI script which created it.
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12:59<daemonkeeper>zy: Say, for example, a log file analyzer which produces a HTML summary report.
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13:00<socrates>caballeros necesito informacion de la licencia de un software llamado viper para detecion de plagios
13:01<daemonkeeper>!es
13:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:01<zy>daemonkeeper: I am in doubt because that the html does contain some hard-coded html codes in the cgi
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13:03<edbian>On gentoo there is a program called rc-status Is there something equivalent on Debian?
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13:03<daemonkeeper>zy: As I said, it does matter whether the purpose of the script is it to be a (HTML) code generator, or the (HTML) code is only a mean to format some dynamic processing to the browser.
13:04<daemonkeeper>zy: A C compiler compiling non-free binaries does not make a derivative work either
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13:09<zy>daemonkeeper: I am still not sure of the answer, thanks anyway.
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13:45<jaimesilva> It's been almost a month since I can't connect to new wireless networks and can't find any bug report about it. Does anyone knows how to fix it? thanks.
13:46<jhutchins_lt>jaimesilva: Can you connect to old networks? How are you managing the connections? What encryption? What chipset? Which release? What kernel?
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13:48<jaimesilva>jhutchins_lt: I can connect to old networks, I've tried with all kind of encryptions, even networks without encryption, the chipset is intel iwl3945
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13:48<Zaba>what is the distinction between old and new networks?
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13:51<jhutchins_lt>!iwl3945
13:51<dpkg>iwlwifi is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide it. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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13:52<jhutchins_lt>jaimesilva: Three questions left.
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13:54<jaimesilva>jhutchins_lt: I'm managing the connections with network manager with the kde plasmoid frontend
13:55<jaimesilva>jhutchins_lt: I'm using Debian testing - unstable
13:55<jaimesilva>jhutchins_lt: kernel 2.6.38-2
13:56<jaimesilva>jhutchins_lt: firmware-iwlwif... 0.30 according to dpkg -l
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13:57<tharkun>Gentlemen good evening i am having some isue with two modules hpilo and hpwdt modprobe --first-time tells me they are allready installed but lsmod does not show them. Which one is right?
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13:58<chealer>!tell jaimesilva about anyone
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14:01<chealer>tharkun: modprobe tells you they're already installed :-?
14:01<chealer>tharkun: could you show the output?
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14:01<tharkun>chealer: modprobe -l gives a huge output where the modules in question do appear.
14:02<tharkun>chealer: kernel/drivers/misc/hpilo.ko \n kernel/drivers/watchdog/hpwdt.ko
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14:03<chealer>tharkun: you were talking about modprobe --first-time
14:04<tharkun>chealer: modprobe --first-time hpilo \n FATAL: Module hpilo already in kernel.
14:04<thewanderer1>tharkun: does "grep hpilo /proc/modules" return anything?
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14:04<tharkun>hpilo 5216 0 - Live 0xf806d000
14:05<thewanderer1>so it means it's loaded
14:05<thewanderer1>now, how were you verifying that lsmod does not show it?
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14:05<chealer>tharkun: what does lsmod output?
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14:06<tharkun>Sorry gentlemen i just realized the problem. An apology
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14:10<jaimesilva>jhutchins_lt: sorry, my kid turned off the modem, do u have any suggestion?
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14:11<chealer>jaimesilva: please ask for permission before sending messages in private
14:12<jaimesilva>chealer: ok, but anyway I think u got the message
14:15<chealer>jaimesilva: yes, but we don't reply to non-personal messages sent in private
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14:20<jaimesilva>how can I debug a network manager connection ? I need to check everything since the password is asked to when the connection fails
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14:24<mkirk>jaimesilva: you can debug some stuff with ifconfig / iwconfig to see if you're interface is up, if you're finding the AP, etc.
14:24<mkirk>s/you're/your
14:26<jaimesilva>now I remember, a few days ago I turned off network-manager and configured a wpasupplicant connection on interfaces file. It connected and got IP but didn't browse
14:27<jaimesilva>but I guess I forgot to add defaultroute or something to the config
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14:30<mkirk>jaimesilva: do you have a question in there? Or do you mean that you've figured it out?
14:31<dabir>real quick: is their a key to shift between workspace 1,2,3,4
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14:32<dabir>nevermind-
14:32<real>dabir: ETOFEWINFORMATION
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14:32<jaimesilva>mkirk: I'm bringing more info to the case
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14:57<nyov>I remember seeing some cgroups management tools, but now I can't find them. Does someone know about them? Not talking about the lxc-* tools.
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14:58<nyov>iirc they could start processes in a specific cgroup on boot, among other things
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15:09<zetu>hello
15:10<zetu>evrybody
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15:13*Barcelona_deb Hi / Hola
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15:33<loserbar>Has anyone had any success with syncing an iphone or itouch with squeeze? I am using kde and I have installed gvfs, ifuse etc... The problem is, is that I am unable to find it in ~/.gvfs/. I am, however able to mount it under /mnt. I have also followed the directions on debian wiki. Does anyone have any thoughts? I appreciate any replies.
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15:36<safinaskar>i tried to build simple hello-world package. but i got this: http://goo.gl/QJSz8
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15:45<kenyon>safinaskar: why don't you look at the hello and hello-debhelper debian packages?
15:46<safinaskar>kenyon: hello is very big GNU Hello
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15:47<kenyon>safinaskar: so? it shows how to make a debian package
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15:49<safinaskar>kenyon: should i use gnu build system to build package>
15:49<safinaskar>kenyon: s/>/?/
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15:50<arand>safinaskar: You should in gnereal use the debian packaging tools (debhelper, commonly)
15:50<safinaskar>arand: of course
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15:53<babilen>you might also need a debian/rules file
15:53<safinaskar>kenyon: arand: i changed "install hello /usr/bin" to "install hello $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin/hello" and now it works?
15:54<safinaskar>kenyon: arand: babilen: why you don't say it to me?
15:54<safinaskar>s/works?/works!/
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15:56<Grobber>If i'm using a 64 bit version of debian, does it use the same repos as 32 bit? I want to make sure I only have 64 bit software installed. Would someone explain how this works?
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15:58<safinaskar>Grobber: they use different repositories
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15:58<safinaskar>Grobber: 64 debian contents only 64 programs
15:58<safinaskar>Grobber: exception: 64 debian may content 32 libs for 32 programs support
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15:59<kenyon>well, they use the same repositories, but the package management system only gets packages built for your architecture
15:59<arand>safinaskar: Where is this? Are you doing override_dh_auto_install: or so?
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16:00<safinaskar>arand: no, i changed Makefile
16:00<arand>This is not how to do debian packaging, the original source should remain untouched
16:01<arand>everything is contained in a new debian/ directory
16:01<Osiris_X>is multicast in kernel required for any upnp / dlna activity?
16:01<Grobber>So, I'm running Linux Mint Debian Edition, and i'm going to change the repo list to squeeze (works fine with 32 bit), but do I need to do anything else to make sure I only install 64 bit software via apt-get?
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16:03<kenyon>!tell Grobber about mint
16:03<arand>Grobber: Converting a 32bit install to 64bit is most easily done via reinstalling...
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16:06<Grobber>I'm on a 32 bit system now. I will reinstall a 64 bit system. I will then change the default repos from testing to stable. My question is, will only 64 bit software be installed via apt-get after doing this? Thanks for your patience.
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16:07<kenyon>Grobber: install real Debian, not a derivative if you want support here.
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16:07<Grobber>I've already been to the Linux Mint forum, my question is more of a debian question.
16:08<Grobber>OK. Forget i'll be using Mint. Same question. 64 bit install = 64 bit repos?
16:08<arand>Grobber: yes.
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16:09<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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16:37<tp43>how do you play files from laptop on desktop. file is local on latop?
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16:39<tp43>DISPLAY=:0 ?
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16:41<carlos>anyone knows, a network of postgres?
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16:43<ghost-padza>hello..
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16:50<klon>hello?
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16:51<amphi>!greet klon
16:51<dpkg>Howdy, klon
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16:51<klon>any one have experiens whit trying to install debian on a mac mini, intel
16:51<klon>=
16:51<klon>*?
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16:52<klon>i get it to boot from the cd, and install it, but when the install is finished i cant boot the new system up
16:53<klon>it says it dont find any bootabel media
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16:59<daemonkeeper>klon: http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel
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17:01<klon>daemonkeeper: yes, but that dont help me mutch, i can boot the cd.
17:01<klon>but not the new system.
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17:02<daemonkeeper>You installed Squeeze?
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17:11<dabir>how can i get games to work? i got a executable install
17:11<dabir>normally for windows.
17:11<engywucz>try wine
17:11<dabir>i tried i keep getting an erro
17:12<dabir>sec
17:12<engywucz>or playonlinux
17:12<daemonkeeper>Not every game is supported by wine.
17:12<engywucz>the latter has scripts designed for the various games
17:12<dabir>is that possible to play on linux? doesn't linux by now support all windows type files?
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17:13<daemonkeeper>It doesn't. If you really insist to play Windows games, use Windows (surprise)
17:13<klon>daemonkeeper is the squeeze the same as 6.0.1 :S?
17:13<daemonkeeper>Yes
17:13<dabir>what about 'virtualbox' ?
17:13<klon>then thats the one im using
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17:14<klon>:S
17:14<daemonkeeper>Virtualbox has some /limited/ 3D support.
17:14<daemonkeeper>Really, use a native Windows.
17:14<daemonkeeper>klon: The standard ISO from debian.org?
17:14<klon>yes
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17:15<klon>i need the use the one from the guide?
17:15<daemonkeeper>Well, you installed 2.6.32 then, Wiki says you need 2.6.35 at least for your hardware. So yes
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17:15<mariusv````>ck mariusv
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17:16<klon>ok
17:17<jhutchins_lt>klon: Fortunately you can get it from backports. Odd that the installer didn't have any problem though.
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17:17<dabir>wine warning: It appears that libnss-mdns is installed on your system, but lib32nss-mdns is not. Please note that Wine will not be able to access the Internet unless you either install lib32nss-mdns (or ia32-libnss-mdns), or uninstall libnss-mdns.
17:18<dabir>what do i do? how do i do it.. sorry i'm still new to linux
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17:19<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: As far as I know you need a patched d-i to make it recognize the disk at all (but I can't verify)
17:20<engywucz>dabir: if your program doesn't need internet access you do nothing
17:20<engywucz>if it does search in your packet manager for the packet
17:20<jhutchins_lt>[15:52] <klon> i get it to boot from the cd, and install it, but when the install is finished i cant boot the new system up
17:21<jhutchins_lt>That sounds like the installer found the disk, but the install didn't.
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17:21<daemonkeeper>jhutchins_lt: I read that and I agree (although Wiki says something else), however this is still no help unless he's able to boot into a chroot to get a backport.
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17:27<jhutchins_lt>Yep.
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17:31<klon>iv booted with the "new" cd
17:32<klon>do i need to start the insaller in epxert mode?
17:32<klon>*expert
17:32<daemonkeeper>Probably not
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17:37<klon>how do i edit the lilo.conf file later on?
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17:38<daemonkeeper>I'm not entirely sure why the Wiki suggests lilo at all
17:39<klon>shuld i try whit grub first then?
17:39<daemonkeeper>I can't see, why grub shouldn't work
17:39<daemonkeeper>You'll need grub-efi perhaps, but basically yes
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17:40<guilherme>is there a program that manage/schedule programs/scripts to run?? like happens in clusters
17:40<ottoshmidt>guilherme, cron maybe
17:40<klon>you think i still need to eddit sommat?
17:41<daemonkeeper>As far as I can see, all the Wiki suggests is to add "reboot=p" to the kernel command line, if you are having problems upon reboot
17:42<klon>:S and how do do that >.<
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17:42<klon>*do i
17:42<guilherme>ottoshmidt, using cron, can i send 20 processes and run only 8 at the same time? if one finish it starts another one
17:44<daemonkeeper>klon: Edit /etc/default/grub2, you can worry about that once you are actually having this problem
17:44<klon>fair enuff
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17:45<nyov>guilherme: you probably want something entirely different than cron. but without more info nobody cam tell
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17:47<guilherme>i want so make a queue of my processes and run 8 (because i had 8 processors) at the same time.
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17:53<lee-0>guilherme: make -j8
17:54<guilherme>lee-0, i dont understand
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17:55<babilen>guilherme: Look into GNU parallel
17:55<lee-0>guilherme: See man make: "Specifies the number of jobs (commands) to run simultaneously."
17:55<babilen>guilherme: Ah, you are looking for a batch system ... torque comes to mind
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17:57<guilherme>ok, thanks for all
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17:58<george_>is there anyway to get moc to show russian letters and not some messed up garbage in the terminal?
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17:59<babilen>guilherme: Is that more or less what you were looking for?
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18:02<george_>so no one knows how to show russian characters in terminal?v
18:02<babilen>I have no problems with russian characters in my terminals, but I have no idea how/if this applies to moc
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18:03<dabir>help
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18:04<dabir>i got .exe file that was in a zip and they came out as .001 files
18:04<dabir>it's a game. i extracted all the .001 files up to .012
18:04<nyov>george_: if that's a console app, make sure your terminal has utf8 support, as well as your program
18:04<guilherme>babilen, yes it's exactly what i'm looking for, thanks
18:05<dabir>and the exe is in them but it's not letting me extract the exe
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18:05<george_>nyov, it's moc, how would I know if it has utf8 support? terminal seems to be set to ut-8 as default
18:06<george_>utf-8*
18:06<babilen>can you display cyrillic in your terminal?
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18:08<klon>god damit, the installers get stuck...
18:08<klon>*installer
18:08<nyov>george_: do other programs show unicode characters correctly?
18:08<george_>babilen, nyov, yeah terminator is showing it
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18:10<ivo_>fucking ku4eta
18:10<ivo_>kak ste
18:10<nyov>george_: then it's probably not supported by your program
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18:12<nyov>george_: what terminal are you using? and did you try a different one maybe?
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18:12<george_>nyov, i'm using terminator and moc for my music
18:13<nyov>hm never heard of both of them
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18:13<nyov>terminator is your terminal? what does echo $TERM say?
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18:15<babilen>george_: fwiw -- no problem here with moc+{urxvt, gnome-terminal} (sid)
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18:19<george_>babilen, u tried looking at russian text?
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18:21<babilen>george_: Sure (and Chinese and Arabic, ...)
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18:22<babilen>george_: That was the whole point, wasn't it? I'll try with terminator, but I might not have the same versions as you. One second :)
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18:23<dabir>can someone help me? how do i install compiz on debian (the cube thing)
18:24<drewdavis>dabir: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
18:24<dabir>i don't want to do anything that will mess up my computer
18:24<babilen>george_: works .. might be related to fonts (although I don't have any specific cyrillic fonts installed - terminus works fine)
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18:25<george_>babilen, weird, actually it might be a system problem
18:25<babilen>george_: Not sure, could you try other ncurses based apps and different terminals (gnome-terminal, urxvt) and check if they can display cyrillic?
18:25<lee-0>dabir, compiz is in Debian testing.
18:25<babilen>george_: Why do you think that?
18:25<dabir>if i do something to my computer is there a way i can undo changes
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18:26<lee-0>dabir: Sure there is.
18:26<george_>babilen, actually it might be because I'm on #! not debian exactly and using openbox, so might be missing something
18:26<dabir>but the files get installed to a bunch of random places and random things get changed in random places
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18:26<lee-0>dabir: For example?
18:27<babilen>george_: You are not using Debian? Which distro are you on (I am unfamiliar with #! (apart from, say, #!/bin/python))
18:27<george_>babilen, lol sorry crunchbang
18:28<babilen>george_: You are hopefully aware of the fact that anything other than Debian is off-topic here.
18:28<babilen>!crunchbag
18:28<dabir>i copy pasted the aptitude install for compiz on gnome-based
18:28<george_>babilen, yeah, it's similar so I thought maybe I could get help here, I already tried the crunchbang channel
18:28<babilen>george_: So, please ask them and not here.
18:28<dabir>so i dunno how would i get rid of that if i did something rong
18:28<dabir>wrong
18:28<babilen>!tell george_ -about based on debian
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18:29<dabir>also i have to add some random stuff to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:29<babilen>george_: We can't (and won't) support other distributions here. Sorry, install Debian and try to reproduce the problem.
18:29<dabir>what if i forget and its messed up forever then have to reboot a new OS
18:29<george_>babilen, :/ alright, thanks anyway
18:30<drewdavis>dabir: You probably don't need to alter xorg.conf.
18:31<drewdavis>If you do, just make a copy of the original file before altering it.
18:31<lee-0>dabir, you need to keep track of the changes you´re applying if you want to be able to undo them. However, the package management does a great job.
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18:32<dabir>how do ikeep track is their a software that does this for me
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18:33<dabir>or any good packages that keep log of system changes
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18:34<dabir>and on debian wiki compiz page it says i have to edit xorg.conf
18:34<dabir>in order to use compiz
18:35<lee-0>The package management does it for you, mostly. There´s also software to notify you when files have changed, though it´s purpose is probably to detect security problems.
18:35<stephen>Hi, just installed the new version of Ubuntu 64 bit version on the laptop. Dvd doesnt seem to work, and theres no packages?
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18:36<babilen>stephen: You want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net / install Debian by following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
18:36<lee-0>dabir, you can always keep a copy of the xorg.conf and put it back in case it doesn´t work out for you.
18:37<dabir>k
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18:37<lee-0>dabir, perhaps the wiki is outdated. Eventually, you don´t even need an xorg.conf ...
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18:42<lee-0>I´d think it´ll probably work out of the box when you install the compiz package.
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18:42<dabir>i type compiz --replace in terminal
18:42<dabir>and didn't work
18:43<dabir>i get
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18:44<dabir>all it did was freeze me
18:44<dabir>then i have to log out and back in
18:44<lee-0>are you using kdm or gdm or the like=
18:45<lee-0>*like?
18:45<dabir>gnome 2.3
18:46<lee-0>and gnome probably uses gdm ... So you migh be able to choose before logging into your X session which window manager to use.
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18:49<dabir>ok i chose TWM and doesn't look like compiz
18:49<dabir>everything is really weird and hard to figure out
18:49<lee-0>Other than that, there´s also startx ... and ~/.xinitrc. I used to specify which WM to use in .xinitrc ...
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18:50<lee-0>Ah, TWM would be "tiny window manager"?
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18:50<dabir>??
18:50<lee-0>hm, it´s "tab window manager"
18:50<lee-0>that´s another WM, not compiz
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18:50<dabir>compiz wasn't on the list ;
18:51<dabir>but clearly i have it installed
18:51<lee-0>Ah --- afair it wasn´t a few years ago when I tried it, either.
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18:52<dabir>doesn't make any sense though??
18:52<lee-0>I found it ridiculously difficult to figure out how to get it on the list in such a way that it worked.
18:52<dabir>is there any way i can run it alreadylogged in
18:52<lee-0>Afair, I gave up and started it from my .xinitrc ...
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18:53<lee-0>That´s probably what 'compiz --replace' is supposed to do.
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18:53<Guest2523>is there a better composite manager than the one in metacity, it's not bad, but some flash applets freak out and run real slow with it on. I want to try gcompmgr, but it doesn't seem to exsist.
18:53<lee-0>dabir, do you have a file ~/.xinitrc?
18:54<dabir>yeah just did a search
18:54<lee-0>Interesting, what´s in it?
18:55<dabir>. /etc/X11/Xsession
18:55<dabir>here's whole thing
18:55<dabir>#!/bin/sh
18:55<dabir># /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
18:55<dabir>#
18:55<dabir># global xinitrc file, used by all X sessions started by xinit (startx)
18:55<dabir># invoke global X session script
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18:56<dabir_>man
18:56<lee-0>yeah, they are rather restrictive about pasting
18:56<lee-0>!paste
18:56<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
18:56<dabir_>is compiz even worth getting. it looked really cool :/
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18:56<dabir_>in youtube videos
18:57<lee-0>It depends ... I tried it out and found that I didn´t have any use for these cube features or whatever.
18:57<arand>dabir_: That's all up to you, personally I find some of the scale features very useful, but it's all up to you
18:58<lee-0>What I absolutely need a WM to allow is moving the mouse over the edge of the screen to get me to the adjacent virtual desktop.
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18:58<lee-0>... without klicking
19:00<Guest2523>i jus installed debian, and i am having a problem with some service not starting at startup. i read into update-rc.d, and i dont get it. i just want to increase the number on all startup levels of a few things, and decrease the stop levels. trying to find a tool that does that. sysv-rc-conf is cool, but it doesn't do that either.
19:00<lee-0>I don´t remember if compiz did that. However, using cubes or some other kind of "intermittend display" when switching desktops is only getting in the way.
19:01<arand>lee-0: Compiz can do edge actions for corners and edges, so I assume that'd be fairly straigtforward to setup using the ccsm
19:01<babilen>Guest2523: Debian uses a dependency based boot system (insserv) -- There shouldn't be a need to increase/decrease the numbers manually.
19:01<lee-0>dabir, it´s best to try it out for yourself and see if you like it.
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19:01<lee-0>arand, since metacity can do it, I´m quite happy with kde :)
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19:02<lee-0>Guest2523: Which service isn´t starting?
19:02<Guest2523>babilen, my stunnel4, minidlna to name a few
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19:03<lee-0>Guest2523: Perhaps these services aren´t sufficiently configured? Can you start them manually?
19:03<lee-0>Guest2523: I mean by calling the startup script, like /etc/kdm start ...
19:04<Guest2523>lee-0, yes! in fact, i just put them into rc.local to get them to start, although i would rather not.
19:05<Guest2523>like /etc/init.d/minidlna start
19:05<babilen>Guest2523: You wrote the initscripts yourself?
19:06<Guest2523>no, but they work when i invoke them
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19:07<babilen>didn't you say that some services don't start? I would guess that you got the lsb tags wrong and that stunnel/miniwhatev require certain other services to work, but don't declare tha dependency
19:07<lee-0>Guest2523: Do you get any messages from these scripts during booting? I wonder if they are just being ignored or if the service doesn´t start for some unknown reason.
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19:08<babilen>Guest2523: s/you/the maintainer
19:08<Guest2523>let me go look at dmesg, but i didn't notice anything at bootup
19:08<babilen>Guest2523: Have you checked for bugs? What is the actual problem you are seeing? Why won't they start?
19:09<lee-0>Guest2523: You could always put some 'echo "this isn´t ignored' statement into the script to see if it does run.
19:09<Guest2523>no, not a maintainer, they work, but maybe they need to start later, maybe they are starting before networking is starting, i dont know
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19:10<babilen>Guest2523: Yes, that would be the case if they miss the network lsb tag ...
19:10<Guest2523>i would like to bump them up to s26, and kill them at k74
19:10<babilen>Guest2523: Which would be a bug
19:10<babilen>Guest2523: It would be a much better idea to fix their init scripts (and file bugs+patches)
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19:11<Guest2523>i was wondering if there was a tool out there that does that, update-rc.d does it, but you have to delete the scripts and start over (it says) for it to work, which sounds wrong.
19:12<Guest2523>i could manually move s20 to s26, and i can, i was wandering if there was something better though.
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19:12<lee-0>Guest2523: The first thing I´d try is to figure out if the scrips are actually run or not.
19:12<Guest2523>it is doing it with sabnzbplus too, i am having to manually start that also
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19:13<Guest2523>minidlna is not part of debian, and i can see why that one may not work.
19:13<babilen>but stunnel4 is meant to be started by xinetd, isn't it? are you mayhaps seeing something like #626856 (not your versions though)
19:13<babilen>,versions minidlna
19:13<judd>Package minidlna on i386 -- sid: 1.0.18-5; wheezy: 1.0.18-5
19:13<babilen>Guest2523: You might want to "/msg dpkg ssb" that (backport it from sid)
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19:14<Guest2523>babilen, i compiled minidlna myself so, im in squeeze
19:14<babilen>And yes, stunnel4's init script does not declare a dependency on network -- but I am not sure if that is actually needed, given that is it just a wrapper
19:15<babilen>Guest2523: yes, the sid version would give you a (hopefully working) init script though -- /msg dpkg ssb
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19:43<Silicium01>I have an integrated video card on my Lenovo T400 but know that It also has a second more powerful video card. How can I check what this other card is?
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19:45<nyov>Silicium01: lspci -nn | grep video
19:45<nyov>should give you any video adapter
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19:45<Silicium01>nyov, didnt pront anything
19:46<nyov>oh scratch that. don't grep for video
19:47<nyov>for me it says "VGA compatible controller", but I wouldn't know what else it could be named
19:47<klon>whoo
19:48<Silicium01>nyov, It shows Intel, but does not show me the other one that's available
19:48<klon>ubuntu manged to install itself :)
19:48<klon>and boot
19:48<Silicium01>I think it's Radeon but not sure
19:48<nyov>klon: nice!, now the ubuntu channel is over at #ubuntu on freenode
19:48<klon>:P
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19:49<nyov>Silicium01: are you sure you have two video adapters on that small thing? is it some pcie slot card?
19:50<Silicium01>I know for sure
19:50<Silicium01>it's built in somwhere
19:50<nyov>but it's not listed in lspci output?
19:50<Silicium01>nyov, don't see it
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19:51<Silicium01>it could be disabled in bios?
19:52<nyov>then it probably won't work, since it's not detected
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19:52<nyov>possibly
19:52<Silicium01>I'll check bios and come back
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19:58<variable_>i have a problem with a webcam and a skype, it looks like the skye doesn't syncs with my webcam. But a camorama app works with my webcam. Can anybody help my to work it out?
19:59<daemonkeeper>Not really, skype is unsupported non-free stuff. You may need to ask Sykpe for support, or, well, Microsoft.
19:59<quant>variable_, if nobody helps you have in mind that Skype is not a part of Debian, not free software, so people have a hard time helping you with that, try Skype support
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20:00<variable_>is there analogs for skype?
20:00<quant>variable_, ekiga softphone and some more
20:00<nyov>jabber / pidgin
20:01<Silicium01>Enabled switchable graphics in bios and ati mobility radeon hd 3400 series appeared
20:01<daemonkeeper>ekiga
20:01<daemonkeeper>oh, quant already mentioned that
20:01<Silicium01>Which is the correct driver package for this and is switching graphics cards on the fly possible in linux?
20:01<nyov>Silicium01: wow, i never seen something like that. learning something new every day :)
20:01<quant>daemonkeeper, do you need an instant messanger or something to do video calls with?
20:01<daemonkeeper>quant variable_ you mean
20:02<quant>daemonkeeper, yeah, sorry
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20:02<nyov>Silicium01: do you see both now?
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20:02<quant>variable_, do you need an IM or something for video calls?
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20:03<variable_>some thing for video calls
20:03<daemonkeeper>Yeah, ekiga then.
20:03<Silicium01>nyov, yes
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20:03<Silicium01>nyov, I do not know which one is On though
20:04<quant>variable_, ok, ekiga then to start with, but I don't know if your friends are only on Skype
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20:04<Silicium01>Is switchable graphics supported in linux?
20:04<nyov>Silicium01: if both can work in parallel probably depends on video drivers
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20:05<nyov>Silicium01: I think you want fglrx for that radeon. but there is also the free radeon driver
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20:06<Silicium01>fglrx is a Ati proprietary driver?
20:06<quant>Silicium01, yes
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20:07<Silicium01>installing :)
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20:08<Silicium01>quant, do you by any chance knpw if switchable graphics is supported by Linux? (Gnome)
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20:08<Silicium01>Or i guess it would be X thing...
20:08<quant>Silicium01, nope, sorry
20:09<nyov>Silicium01: you could try to put two sections in your xorg.conf, use one card for an external screen. but switching would involve restarting X at least
20:10<nyov>Silicium01: why do you want to switch them anyway?
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20:10<Silicium01>nyov, virtualbox video is choppy and though might as well use a better video card available
20:10<Silicium01>but intel one saves power, so better for battery
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20:22<Silicium01>Which file do I need to backup for X11 before I configure Ati driver?
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20:23<nyov>Silicium01: if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf or conf.d directory, maybe them
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20:23<nyov>Silicium01: and maybe if both drivers are loaded Xrandr can switch between outputs. but thats quite a wild guess
20:23<Silicium01>nyov, I do not seem to have either
20:25<nyov>then it doesn't matter, just install that thing. someone else can probably help you better configuring the xorg.conf.d snippets for radeon
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20:26<nyov>try without them (autoconfigured) first
20:27<Silicium01>Do I need to restart X?
20:27<Silicium01>I ran the radeon command and it initialized the file
20:28<nyov>yes, maybe even reboot, if you have other radeon drivers installed. so they can be blacklisted
20:28<Silicium01>ok
20:28<Silicium01>brb
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20:36<null>sdf
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20:46<wissem>hi
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20:48<wissem>can I use this mirror http://debian.mirror.tn to download debian packages instead of this one: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ ?
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20:50<nyov>wissem: it's not even reachable for me, so I don't think so
20:51<nyov>wissem: also if it does exist, it's not in the official mirror list
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21:05<Silicium01>video is no longer working after installing fglrx. Any ideas?
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21:11<nyov>Silicium01: sorry to hear. you do have installed it like the wiki says? http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
21:12<Silicium01>nyov, didn't know about wiki, will read it now
21:12<Silicium01>thanks
21:12<wissem>nyov: where is the pakcages located?
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21:13<nyov>wissem: how do you mean?
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21:14<wissem>when you do for example an apt-get install vlc
21:14<nyov>wissem: your mirror has (re)appeared. but it seems to be syncing
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21:14<wissem>in wich folder vlc is located on?
21:15<wissem>in the mirror website
21:15<nyov>wissem: you want to download it manually?
21:15<wissem>yes nyov
21:15<nyov>wissem: what architecture are you on?
21:16<wissem>debian squeeze
21:16<nyov>wissem: oh nvm, go grab it from here, http://packages.debian.org/vlc
21:17<nyov>you likely need multiple packages, why not just use your package manager?
21:17<nyov>that would fetch all dependencies automatically
21:18<wissem>the thing is nyov
21:18<wissem>i'm trying to find if the mirror i'm using
21:18<wissem>is having packages or not
21:19<wissem>so i can switch to that mirror...
21:19<nyov>well then say so :P
21:20<nyov>http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/
21:20<wissem>and for this one http://debian.mirror.tn/ ? :)
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21:21<nyov>wissem: it's syncing. there is nothing there at the moment
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21:22<nyov>wissem: ok wait, i wasn't in debian/ - there is something else in there.
21:22<nyov>http://debian.mirror.tn/debian/pool/main/v/vlc/
21:23<wissem>that's great !
21:23<wissem>thanks a lot nyov :))
21:23<babalu>does autocad work good enough in ubuntu>
21:23<nyov>wissem: but as I said before, it's not in the official mirror list. so it might be outdated, or lagging behind the official ones
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21:42<infin8>anyone worked with magento before
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21:44<nyov>yes
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21:45<infin8>are u good on backend?
21:45<infin8>i had mine running on shared host, designer said server was bad so i moved it to a VDS and still is not indexing
21:45<infin8>in a bit of a pickle
21:46<nyov>infin8: maybe some, but I don't see how that relates to #debian :)
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21:46<infin8>ohh my server is on bedian
21:46<nyov>haha
21:46<Osiris_X>what is the easiest way to detect the channels that wireless networks in my area are using?
21:46<infin8>netstumbler
21:46<infin8>oops nyov
21:46<nyov>netstumble is windows software
21:47<infin8>so my server is running debian and i am trying to debug but i am too green on linux
21:47-!-jazza [~jeremyw@203-173-215-46.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has joined #debian
21:47<infin8>now my provider is off till next biz day, and i am trying myself to fix problem
21:48<jazza>Hey guys. Quick question. What is the best way to go about synchronizing everything between two Debian installations? One on a laptop and the other on a PC. Cheers.
21:48<nyov>infin8: there is quite a bit that could be wrong with the setup, so i'm reluctant to go dig
21:48<infin8>maybe airsnort then Osiris
21:48<Osiris_X>infin8, ok I will try airsnort
21:49<nyov>jazza: same architecture?
21:49<jazza>Both amd64
21:49<infin8>it would appear to be an issue with memory nyov
21:49<nyov>jazza: do you want to sync user-data or the system itself, or everything?
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21:49<jazza># uname -a
21:49<jazza>Linux jazza-pc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 18 23:13:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux
21:49<infin8>http://pastebin.com/ShyThRit
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21:49<infin8>nyov take a look at those errors
21:50<Osiris_X>airsnort does not appear to be available in debian repository
21:50<jazza>nyov: I want to sync all data, all configuration, so they are the same to use. I would like it to sync when the laptop is on the same network and use a merge algorithm
21:50<jazza>Osiris_X: are you trying to crack a WEP network?
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21:51<infin8>try kismet
21:51<jazza>airocrack-ng
21:51<infin8>thaat is like the netstumbler for linux
21:51<Osiris_X>jazza: no I am trying to optimally set my wireless channel
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21:52<infin8>osiris try kismet
21:52<jazza>Osiris_X: you can use aircrack for that
21:52<Osiris_X>jazza ok thanks
21:52<jazza>it will show u all the wireless ssids operating in your area and their channels
21:52<jazza>and the strength of the signal
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21:53<Osiris_X>good because kismet wanted to install 50mb of stuff ?!?!?!
21:53<nyov>jazza: then you could use rsync, but i believe there are configuration differences between both systems, like graphics card, drivers et al, so you'd need to make quite a few exceptions
21:54<nyov>please no querys
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21:55<jazza>nyov: what directories would I exclude? or is there any package you know of which would help me figure that out
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21:55<jazza>nyov: so would dd not be an option because there would be too many differences ?
21:55<nyov>there are probably better options to sync your 'user-data' only.
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21:56<nyov>jazza: I think so
21:56<jazza>so would user data include what my desktop looks like ? shortcuts on the panels etc
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21:56<jazza>and all inst. packages?
21:56<nyov>jazza: Desktop yes, installed packages no
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21:56<keith_>Debian6. I have a usb modem that I wish to use for internet purposes. The modem is One Touch X220D. lsusb recognises as Bus 001 Device 005: ID 1bbb:f000 T and A Mobile Phones. How do I get that working?
21:57<nyov>jazza: what you would exclude on an rsync run and what not, really depends on your system
21:58<nyov>+s
21:58<jazza>nyov: so I can sync all my files easily but the packages and their configurations would be more difficult?
21:58<nyov>jazza: yes, think of different fstab UUIDs and a bunch of other problems that could crop up
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21:59<nyov>jazza: other parts of /etc might well be worth syncing, though
21:59<infin8>nyov did u see pastebin
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22:00<dabir>how to open .bin files?
22:00<nyov>infin8: yeah, looks like your Mage_Catalog_Model_Url->getUnusedPath( ) ../Url.php:645 get's called unusually often and hits a limit
22:00<jazza>nyov: would it not be possible to completely sync fstab and runlevel.conf (i use file-rc)
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22:00<infin8>rekon u can help me fix it
22:01<nyov>jazza: do you have the same partitions on both systems, same number of harddisks and same mountpoints? if it's identical, then sure - otherwise no
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22:02<jazza>partitions are different sizes but i could force them to be the same
22:03<jazza>both are afaik /dev/sda1 mounted on /
22:03<nyov>infin8: no, I really wouldn't know why that function gets called and what's wrong there
22:03<infin8>i have tried to edit php.ini to increase limits
22:03<jazza>plus the swap partition but i dont think that really gets utilized on either of my machines
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22:04<infin8>where would i go to get some help do u think, i am willing to pay not looking for charity
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22:04<nyov>jazza: just exclude the file from syncing. but that was only an example. there's lots of other stuff, like dynamic runlevel configs etc. that might need to stay different
22:05<infin8>i thought it may b server related thats y i started here
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22:06<nyov>infin8: for starters, that directory there looks wrong - did you just copy everything from the old host? did you change configuration files?
22:06<infin8>i didnt the provider copied between old shared host and new VDS
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22:07<infin8>i installed APC lastnight it was using Zend
22:07<infin8>could that be the prob?
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22:08<nyov>infin8: unlikely
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22:09<infin8>i checked apache logs but i just dont have the skills to fix it
22:09<nyov>without seeing the installation it's really hard for me to help you out there
22:10<infin8>it runs on plesk the front end
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22:12<infin8>what would u need to see
22:13<nyov>infin8: try taking that pastebin you posted to #magento in freenode, they should have more skill there
22:13<infin8>thanks m8
22:14<nyov>no problem
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22:19<nyov>jazza: fwiw, I would just sync all your home dir, that includes some user program configurations itself, and then use dpkg-selections to sync what is installed (packages), and after that selectively copy over daemon configs or what you need
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22:20<dabir>help. new linux user. just installed first game and on the MENU it's running at like .8 fps
22:20<dabir>why is it going so slow??
22:22<nyov>dabir: is your compiz running now?
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22:22<dabir>compiz? what's that
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22:23<dabir>the 3d cube desktop ?
22:23<nyov>huh
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22:23<nyov>yeah, I thought that was you
22:23<dabir>yeah it was
22:23<dabir>i gave up on it -_-
22:23<dabir>like alotta things :(
22:23<nyov>then I belive you're still missing hardware acceleration for your graphics card
22:24<nyov>what card do you have?
22:24<dabir>yes that's it! how do i enable it?
22:24<dabir>i got an ati radeon 4250
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22:25<nyov>ok let's see - i messed up the last install for fglrx there, but I can try
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22:27<nyov>first can you open a terminal? tell me the output of: lspci -nn |grep radeon
22:28<dabir>what am i looking for/
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22:29<nyov>an app called gnome-terminal I think
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22:30<dabir>i get nothing when i type 'lspci -nn |grep radeon'
22:31<nyov>can you pastebin the output of lspci -nn then?
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22:44<nah>got one problem- every time i starting my mint debian it search for floppy disk drive witch i dont even have on my laptop:D how to disable that?
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23:19<Raj>help: wget --post-data "id1=abc&id2=cde" http://abc.asp doesn't work
23:19<Raj>can anyone help me
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23:24<cozminsky>if I want to have my own local version of a package and the control file is using the debhelper macro ${source:Version}
23:24<cozminsky>is there a version suffix that can allow me to use the upstream for all but that one package?
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23:33<nyov>wow, patience, young padawan
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