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00:32<dabir>hey. can you uninstall say a program that comes with Gnome?
00:32<dabir>without getting rid of Gnome
00:32<dabir>ex: rhythm box
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00:34<dabir>also, can i run gnome + compiz at same time?
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00:35<dabir>if not, i'll just get rid of gnome
00:35<lindi-_>dabir: gnome is defined to depend on rhythmbox so if you remove it you can't possibly have gnome anymore :)
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00:36<dabir>that's what i thought. so should i just get rid of gnome?
00:36<dabir>cause i got compiz
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00:36<dabir>sweet. i'll take a read.
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00:58<th>in /etc/network/interfaces, auto eth0 means that eth0 is broght up on boot, what does allow-hotplug eth0 mean?
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01:01<valdyn>th: will be brought up by udev probably
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01:02<th>valdyn, thanks for the info. i'll try change it to allow-hotplug and see what happens next
01:03<necrocyber>hello anyone
01:03<necrocyber>^ ^
01:03<necrocyber>somebody can help ?
01:04<th>please tell us your problem
01:06<necrocyber>I was trying to upgrade my Ubuntu and look what happen
01:06<necrocyber>An unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information.
01:06<necrocyber>'E:Type 'enmachines/flash/ubuntu' is not known on line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sevenmachines-flash-natty.list'
01:06<necrocyber>how i can solve that?
01:06<sney>you can start by asking in #ubuntu
01:06<sney>which is on
01:06<sney>this is not the ubuntu help channel.
01:06<necrocyber>hum....ok thanks
01:07<necrocyber>a channel about debian sourcepack
01:07<nyov>necrocyber: but a hint, fix your sources file
01:07<sney>#debian is about the Debian operating system, see for more information about that
01:09<lindi-_>whoa, linux 3.0 :)
01:10<Nemoder>aren't odd numbers bad? :o
01:10<jm_>not anymore
01:10<sney>it's all because linus is too old to count past 40, or something
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01:11<jm_>yeah now we're waiting for 3.14.159 release
01:11<th>I have a problem with allow-hotplug; I'm running Debian version squeeze; When I try to set eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces to allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp and plug my lan cable to eth0 it is not brought up. I expected it to be brought up like explained in
01:12<Nemoder>jm_: at least it's not an imaginary number :P
01:12<th>Do I need to install come package first?
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01:14<th>oops, no, forget that question, wrong interpretation in my brain
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01:15<jm_>th: right, I was just going to ask where do you see it should work like that
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01:17<th>:) it will be brought up on boot when Linux find my ethernet device, not when I plug the cable. thanks, jm_
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01:17<dondads>How do you change the tab names in awesome
01:18<jm_>th: indeed
01:19<nyov>dondads: #awesome
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01:48<Nia06>hola buenas noches alguien me podria ayudar
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01:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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02:02<brohelm>what's the best resource to learn the command line? and do commands that work in one distro usually work in other distros?
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02:03<jm_>brohelm: command line is really a very broad term, but your best option is to simply start using it. typically they do yes
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02:05<SorryGuest>Do I have to have an internet connection in order to use live-helper?
02:05<cthuluh>this, for example, should teach you how to use a shell: . it won't teach you system administration
02:05<cthuluh>brohelm: ^
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02:08<shadenzo>hello i seem to remember a package to keep track of installed software . do you remember ? (not talking about the command dpkg --get-selections)
02:09<jm_>software installed how?
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02:09<jm_>how can you answer such a question with "yes"?
02:10<brohelm>I think he misread it as "now."
02:10<shadenzo>i mean yes : to keep track of the software installed now
02:10<shadenzo>yes soory
02:11<shadenzo>istalled with apt-get or via synaptic
02:11<shadenzo>in any way
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02:12<jm_>dpkg keeps track of that
02:12<dpkg>jm_: I give up, what is it?
02:13<shadenzo>no it was not a preinstalled one
02:14<th>perhaps you want to know what package that you had installed by yourself?
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02:15<shadenzo>th yes i think u got the point
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02:18<shadenzo>i tried to reinstall with " dpkg --set-selections <package_list" but screwed up the video driver inst
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02:22<shadenzo>i mean if i use apt-get dselect-upgrade : it install all the packages in the list and disinstall the rest . i would need for example certain packages not to be touched
02:23<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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02:26<shadenzo>dpkg thanks this is useful
02:26<dpkg>sure thing, shadenzo
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02:29<shadenzo>ok sorry ehm thanks jm_ the bot is nice but ... better the flash and blood boy
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03:46<alumno>que tal?
03:47<alumno>how are you
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03:49<Hydroxide>(same IP for both of them)
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03:59<lee-0>Is there anyone here who has connected their cell phone to their computer?
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04:01<lee-0>th, what application do you use? I´m particularly interested in sending SMSs from my computer.
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04:02<lee-0>However, the best thing would be some sort of gateway that would allow SMSs to arrive as email and to write them just the same as email ...
04:03<lee-0>Yet none of wammu, kmobiletools and gokii can even send SMSs.
04:03<lee-0>Is there some other solution available?
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04:04<refer>server irc.freenode.nett
04:05<th>hmmm, i have only connected a sony ericsson w960i as usb mass storage device, i've never tried to send sms. i don't think i can be a help for you
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04:05<lee-0>Oh, ok, thanks anyway. Transferring files via bluetooth works fine :)
04:08<jm_>lee-0: gammu can send SMS-es
04:08<jm_>depends on your phone anyway
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04:09<lee-0>jm_, it´s a Nokia 3720c. When gammu can send SMSs, how comes that wammu can´t?
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04:13<dabir>can someone help me.. been at this for a while. problem with compiz fusion
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04:13<dabir>is that this one effect
04:13<jm_>lee-0: look here
04:13<dabir>doesn't initiate with the bind,
04:14<dabir>but i've got it to before
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04:15<dabir>the 'show mouse' effect and along with some others
04:15<lee-0>jm_: Hm, they are saying it´s supported. I tried it yesterday and found that the SMSs were broken und the recipient couldn´t read them.
04:15<dabir>i change the intervals and enable/disable then it just stops initiating with the bind
04:15<lee-0>And wammu doesn´t read all the SMSs that are stored on the phone.
04:16<jm_>lee-0: maybe that's some sort of bug, try #gammu at
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04:16<lee-0>Thank, I´ll try there :)
04:17<dabir>also i got white screen and freeze with some other effects on compiz fusion
04:17<dabir>my graphic drivers are updated
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04:19<dabir>like for 'show mouse' effect
04:19<dabir>i press <Super>k
04:19<dabir>and nothing happens
04:19<dabir>is enabled
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04:22<babilen>dabir: Try #compiz on freenode (I have absolutely no interest in compiz and can't help you)
04:23<dabir>what is that
04:23<babilen>An IRC channel on named #compiz
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04:57<GundamZ>Hi guys! can some help me to install Gnome 3 on Debian Sqeeze?
04:58<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
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05:00<SynrG>GundamZ: basically, you need to wait for wheezy
05:00<GundamZ>i want test it
05:00<SynrG>not on squeeze you don't
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05:01<GundamZ> and how about that?
05:01<GundamZ>oh it`s wheeze
05:01<GundamZ> :D
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05:17<jasonsmr>hello channel
05:17<jasonsmr>Im new to this channel, but a have been working with debian before just not a whole lot
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05:18<jasonsmr>a query if anyone else is here and awake.
05:18<jww>Hi jasonsmr .
05:18<jasonsmr>a query I want to setup nfs share with my router as a client and debian as server
05:19<gantenbein>Hello, guys. I have just isntalled updates and got this before the gdm login prompt: Couldn't update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority.
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05:19<jasonsmr>im running into errors on the client I dont know if there due to the server or what
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05:19<gantenbein>What has happened?
05:20<jasonsmr>the error on client says :#mount: mounting NFS_tablet:/knoppix on /mnt failed: No such device
05:20<jasonsmr>thats if I try to use nfs4 with issuing the command #mount -t nfs4 NFS_tablet:/knoppix /mnt -o nolock
05:21<jasonsmr>I get an entirely diffrent error about Permission denied if I just take off the 4 from the mount -t nfs
05:21<jasonsmr>any clues?
05:22<jm_>are you mounting it as root?
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05:23<jm_>anyway, logs should tell you more
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05:33<jasonsmr>jm_, yes mounting as root (on the router) however, I think I read somewhere that I need to somehow pass the uuid to nfs?
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05:34<jm_>jasonsmr: I don't know about nfs4, but for older versions this is not needed, however no_root_squash option is what you may need to (on the server); but check your logs to see why you get permission denied
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05:37<jasonsmr>jm_ you wouldent happen to know where the nfs logs are?
05:38<jasonsmr>in /var/log/ maybe?
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05:39<gnugr>jasonsmr: " dmesg /var/log/syslog "
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05:47<jasonsmr>pastebin if you wanna look . pls >>
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05:48<jasonsmr>svc: failed to register lockdv1 RPC service (errno 97).
05:48<jasonsmr>thats the error on the server side that Im getting apparently
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05:49<mekt>I removed entries under ~/.local and now my debian menu is gone. How can I get it back?
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06:05<rpetre>update-menu , maybe?
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06:15<jm_>jasonsmr: daemon/syslog
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06:16<mekt>rpetre: good idea. That did part of it. update-menus made files under ~/.local , but even after restarting the session, there is no Debian menu shown.
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06:24<mekt>I found the debian menu. it had become hidden. I just need to check a box to display it again.
06:24<Osiris_X>is there a debian wine channel?
06:24<mekt>Osiris_X: no
06:25<Osiris_X>mekt, ok
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06:49<eaglesflyhigh>hey guys
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06:50<deadmau5-ditiss>i want a help
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06:50<babilen>deadmau5-ditiss: Just ask your question :)
06:50<eaglesflyhigh>ask away
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06:51<deadmau5-ditiss>offensive security study material
06:51<babilen>Like the "Securing Debian Manual" ?
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06:52<deadmau5-ditiss>niot htt
06:52<deadmau5-ditiss>backtrack tutorials
06:52<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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08:11<alyosha>does anyone have any idea how could i "activate" or install or something my LAN onboard card. I changed motherboard but the sistem remained the same
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08:11<alyosha>so LAN is not working anymore
08:11<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
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08:12<jm_>alyosha: ^^^^^^^^^^
08:12<alyosha>i'm reading:D
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08:12<jasonsmr>jm_, you still on here?
08:12<jm_>jasonsmr: yes
08:12<jasonsmr>jm_ I got a syslog daemon finaly setup
08:13<jasonsmr>jm_ it took a while im in knoppix so it was using tty instead
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08:13<jasonsmr>jm_ , I got a error message >> refused mount request from for / (/): unmatched host
08:13<jm_>jasonsmr: knoppix? that is supported elsewhere
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08:13<jasonsmr>its debian basicaly
08:13<jm_>jasonsmr: that's a hosts.allow/deny issue - man hosts_access
08:13<jm_>!based on debian
08:13<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
08:14<jasonsmr>okey true
08:14<jm_>jasonsmr: see above and that shall help you
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08:15<alyosha>jm_ if i understand correct i should change MAC and it should work?
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08:15<jm_>alyosha: the simplest option is to comment out existing line and it will automatically assign eth0 to it the next time
08:16<alyosha>uu nice:D
08:16<alyosha>let me try
08:17<gnugr>alyosha: check this too " "
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08:18<jm_>alyosha: you probably have more than one line in it now, so you should comment out the newly added one too (I forgot about this earlier)
08:18<jm_>the new one has your new MAC
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08:20<alyosha>amm it has only one line
08:20<alyosha>and i comented
08:20<alyosha>i run udevadm trigger
08:20<alyosha>and still nothing
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08:21<alyosha>when i try ifconfig eth0 up
08:21<alyosha>it says
08:21<jm_>does ifconfig -a list it?
08:21<alyosha>it like there is no
08:21<alyosha>lan card
08:21<jm_>what is its pci id? lspci -nn
08:21<jm_>it's important to run 'ifconfig -a' and not just 'ifconfig', also ls /sys/class/net
08:22<alyosha>when i run ifconfig -a i get only "lo"
08:22<alyosha>no eth device
08:22<alyosha>and in this folder sys/class/net
08:22<jm_>did you check that it's enabled in the bios? also see if lspci lists it
08:22<alyosha>i have only lo
08:23<alyosha>in lspci -nn what am i looking for? onboard lan? or what it says?
08:23<alyosha>i must reboot to check bios
08:23<jm_>probably Ethernet
08:24<alyosha>in bio it is enabled
08:24<alyosha>i'll check lspci now
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08:26<alyosha>in lspci -nn i have Ethernet controller
08:26<jm_>need this part [10ec:8168]
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08:31<jm_>judd pciid 1969:1073
08:31<judd>[1969:1073] is 'AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1c' in squeeze. See also
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08:31<jm_>is this module loaded?
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08:31<alyosha>mmm how i check that i'm prety neww in all this:)
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08:32<alyosha>i'm looking for atl1c?
08:33<alyosha>there is not such thing
08:33<alyosha>when i run lsmod
08:33<jm_>try to load it - modprobe atl1c
08:33<ferni>that site says it supported in kernel 2.6.34
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08:33<jm_>and then run dmesg afterwards and see if driver says anything
08:34<mjt>wonder why it's not autoloaded
08:34<jm_>ok that would explain why it doesn't work, but I'm curious now; you said it's the same motherboard, is it really?
08:34<alyosha>i said is another motherbord
08:34<alyosha>on same disk
08:34<alyosha>i mean old disk
08:34<alyosha>with sistem
08:35<jm_>ok right, you'll need a newer kernel
08:35<alyosha>i loaded this mod now and when i check lsmod it is there
08:35<mjt>which may be difficult if network does not work :)
08:35<jm_>I read same system + new motherboard as same motherboard, just working :)
08:35<alyosha>and i'm looking at dmesg now
08:35<dpkg>atl1c is a driver for Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (PCI ID 1969:1063) and AR8132 Fast Ethernet (PCI ID 1969:1062) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline series, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. The driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, see <5.0.5>. See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>.
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08:36<mjt>it lacked some pci ids before, but now they're all there.
08:37<jm_>hah 2.6.32-28
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08:38<jm_>alyosha: download the deb and install it with dpkg
08:38<alyosha>this atl1c?
08:39<jm_>no, the kernel deb
08:39<jm_> if this is what you are using now, verify with dpkg -l | grep linux-image
08:40<jm_>you can get download link at the bottom of the page
08:40<alyosha>im using 2.6.26-2-686
08:41<SynrG>you're on a lenny kernel
08:41<jm_>which debian release is it? cat /etc/debian_version
08:41<jm_>ok then don't use this package
08:42<alyosha>i must find package for 5.0.7?
08:42<jm_>or build one yourself or ...
08:42<jm_>does this one also has atl1c updates?
08:42<SynrG>it has -31
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08:43<jm_>should work I guess
08:43<SynrG>it's a bit behind. ar8151 (along with ar8152) are new
08:44<SynrG>oh, the ar8151 factoid says -28 or better. good
08:45<SynrG>!bdo kernel lenny
08:45<dpkg>Linux 2.6.32 kernels for the Debian <oldstable> release are available via Add "deb lenny-backports main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. You can then "aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`" (i.e. linux-image-686, linux-image-amd64). See also <bdo pinning>.
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08:45<jm_>alyosha: be sure to edit that udev rules file, you will see it creating two entries once the driver loads
08:45<jm_>to prevent that from happening simpyl comment it out now
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08:46<alyosha>amm i'm loking now at this packages
08:46<SynrG>alyosha: btw, lenny is oldstable. squeeze is stable. it is generally best to be on the latest stable release.
08:46<alyosha>i should install this one?
08:46<alyosha>kernel): Linux 2.6.32 for old PCs
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08:46<jm_>alyosha: get the -686 one since you have the same one now
08:46<alyosha>SynrG i will make fresh install as soon i rescue some stuff from this old disk:)
08:46*SynrG nods
08:47<babilen>alyosha: I guess you know that you can also upgrade the running system. The process of doing this is described in the release notes.
08:48<jm_>heh reminds me - need to upgrade our etch file server to squeeze this week
08:48<alyosha>yea but i changed few components and motherbord and stuff so i will make fres instalation i think its better
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08:49<babilen>alyosha: Sure, just wanted to mention it (people might not always be aware of this)
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08:49<alyosha>yes yes
08:49<alyosha>ammm why i can not find .deb on this site?!
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08:50<alyosha>found it
08:51<alyosha>so i put this on a USB stick
08:51<alyosha>and install
08:51<alyosha>with dpkg
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08:56<mao__> typica GNU\Debian user
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08:58<daemonkeeper>Can't be, the typical Debian user has no social relations at all.
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08:58<SynrG>alyosha: and linux-base
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08:59<babilen>mao__: Please take it to offtopic channels such as #moocows
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09:02<alyosha>SynrG linux-base?
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09:08<SynrG>alyosha: you'll need that, yes. it's a new kernel dependency not present in lenny
09:09<SynrG>alyosha: it consists of migration scripts and the like (e.g. for the libata transition)
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09:12<edbian>Yesterday I burned a .avi file to a DVD-R to play on my home player using devede. It worked ok except that occasionally (about every 10 minutes) the movie would skip forward roughly 1 second. What might be the cause of this. Who / Where else can I ask to learn and get help?
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09:49<admjola>I want to update a package that is outdated, i have been reading around on the maintainer documentation and the mentors site but have not found anything straightforward. Can anyone please help me?
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09:50<JerrySpringer>hey i just did a fresh install of debian squeeze with gnome and the problem is i can mount and view my ntfs drives but it wont let me write anything to do them or change anything on them
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09:51<JerrySpringer>for example if i try to move a file: Error moving file: Operation not permitted
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09:55<edbian>JerrySpringer: windows 7 or xp?
09:55<JerrySpringer>there windows 7 ntfs drives
09:55<edbian>JerrySpringer: Boot windows, change the permissions.
09:56<JerrySpringer>it works fine on my other debian and ubuntu
09:56<JerrySpringer>what would windows permisions have to do with it?
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09:58<qchn>Does anyone know where the difference in the initramfs between Debian and Ubuntu is?
09:58<qchn>I need to hook something there in Ubuntu which works under Debian.
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10:00<babilen>admjola: Well, typically you use a newer upstream tarball and update the packaging. That is also covered in the NMG and you might be able to do so with uupdate. I would ask further (more specific) questions in #debian-mentors
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10:02<admjola>babilen, thanks!
10:03<babilen>admjola: Also see "/msg dpkg uupdate" and "/msg dpkg nmg"
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10:11<SynrG>!tell qchn about ubuntu
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10:12<qchn>SynrG: Thx. %)
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10:14<TaZeR>os[Linux 2.6.32-5-686 i686] distro[Debian 6.0.1] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450 @ 1.66GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.66GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 94.1% free] disk[Total: 148.7GB, 18.7% free] video[Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
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10:16<mutante>dpkg: ddesc xpdf
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10:16<dpkg>xpdf-reader: (Transitional package for xpdf), section text, is optional. Version: 3.02-12 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
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10:21<mutante>i would like to print from xpdf, it has "lpr" as default print command. lpr does not know about its "default destination" though, so it fails. I have a working CUPS setup and printer connected, working from f.e. Iceweasel works. But what would be the command i type instead of "lpr"
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10:21<SynrG>TaZeR: if that info is part of a support question, well and good. otherwise, it's just spam.
10:22<TaZeR>its to prove i use debian and im cool
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10:24<SynrG>actually (with apologies to Peter Steiner) on the internet, nobody knows you actually use ubuntu
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10:25<rpetre>except people who use ctcp version :)
10:25<SynrG>which can be falsified
10:25<SynrG>i rest my case
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10:26<rpetre>ubuntu users are not able to falsify that :) /me ducks
10:26<SynrG>TaZeR: anyway, pretty please turn off your script. it's annoying.
10:26<SynrG>rpetre: touche
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10:32<mutante>hrmm "CUPS provides both the System V (lp(1)) and Berkeley (lpr(1)) printing commands for printing files. " but "lpr: Error - no default destination available." after succesful printer setup, so just setting that default destination..hrmm..CUPS could have done that? then "lpstat -p -d", shows my printer, trying "lp -d printer" = The printer or class was not found. sigh.....
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10:33<melmothX>mutante: go to localhost:631 and set the default printer
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10:34<mutante>lpoptions -d printer
10:34<mutante>lpoptions: Unknown printer or class!
10:35<TaZeR>anyone have a good guide on how to upgrade kernel 2.6.32-5 to the latest?
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10:36<mutante>melmothX: the printer is setup (as the only printer) and working when using localhost:631
10:36<babilen>TaZeR: On Squeeze?
10:36<mutante>melmothX: on a socket://<IP> connection
10:36<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
10:36<babilen>TaZeR: .38 is available in backports -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel
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10:36<babilen>TaZeR: Do you need a newer version?
10:37<melmothX>mutante: is the name "printer" the correct one?
10:37<TaZeR>for the latest compat wireless
10:37<SynrG>mutante: do you have cups-bsd?
10:37<mutante>melmothX: it looked like that in "lpstat" but not in :631 webinterface..
10:38<babilen>TaZeR: You can either install the linux-image-? and linux-base packages directly from sid, backport them (/msg dpkg ssb) or build the kernel yourself (/msg dpkg kp)
10:38<TaZeR>ok thanks ill try
10:39<babilen>TaZeR: Note that you don't get security updates in any of these scenarios
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10:39<Dmitry>Is sid usable for programming purposes? I've never used unstable distros before, but I think I need to use one now, because of my "new" hardware
10:39<TaZeR>i dont get them anyway
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10:41<mutante>melmothX: no it wasnt :P "printer SAMSUNG", lp -d SAMSUNG is better, even though it still fails, but now it actually sends a request id. nevermind and thanks
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10:41<babilen>Dmitry: It surely is, you just need to be comfortable with Linux and Debian packaging and you might run into horrible bugs once in a while. You might want to read the sid FAQ linked in the /topic of #debian-next before you decide. Running testing is an alternative too. But what is the actual problem you are having? Hardware is handled by the kernel and it might be enough to upgrade the kernel you have installed. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel)
10:42<babilen>Dmitry: And yes, sid is usable as a development platform, just expect it to be (horribly) broken once in a while.
10:42<Dmitry>babilen, I'm the one with the sandy bridge chipset
10:42<Dmitry>guys on #debian-x said that it should run cool on sid
10:44<babilen>Dmitry: Ok ... I personally run sid, but it is not for the faint of heart. It is OK for me, but I will *not* advocate its usage. But please joing #debian-next and read the FAQ which contains some good tips.
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10:54<mix22891>how i can make new partition with Disk Utility ?
10:55<qchn>Use cfdisk instead of Disk Utility. It's easier.
10:55<qchn>And it's Documentation is nice, too.
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10:59<roelof>When I start empathy I see this error message :
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10:59<roelof>(empathy:15268): empathy-WARNING **: Error in empathy init: Unable to select the newly created GLX context
10:59<mix22891>tank you qchn
10:59<qchn>mix22891: No Problem. :)
10:59<roelof>Anyone a idea what happens and how to solve this ?
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11:00<qchn>roelof: Are you using the newest Version of Empathy?
11:00<mix22891>where i can find cfdisk ?
11:00<roelof>Im using DDebian testing so I think I use the newest version
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11:00<qchn>mix22891: With your Packetmanager. In your case it is: apt-get, I guess. ;)
11:02<qchn>mix22891: Sorry, Package-Manger. German meets Englisch. %)
11:02<SynrG>roelof: see #debian-next
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11:02<qchn>mix22891: To see how this works, use "man aptitude". ;)
11:02<roelof>SynrG, I should ask in debian next ??
11:02<SynrG>yes. this channel is for support of stable
11:02<SynrG>not for testing/unstable
11:03<roelof>oke, thanks
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11:05<mix22891>qchn i don't want to mess with that like this, i need it with grafic interface
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11:06<qchn>mix22891: Hm. But actually, cfdisk is really easy to learn. Let's try it out on a virtualbox and you I'm you'll enjoy it later. ;)
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11:08<mix22891>i'm not so good at linux
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11:09<qchn>Whoops, this sentence doesn't make any sense.
11:09<qchn>My irssi swallowed some words. :D
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11:11<mix22891>just tell me about grafic interface program
11:11<qchn>mix22891: So, I don't use any tool with a gui to make partitions. I'm not the Guy for you, sorry.
11:12<jhutchins_lt2>WTF do you need a GUI for disk partitioning?
11:13<qchn>Yeah, you won't need one. cfdisk is pretty easy to understand, isn't it?
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11:15<jhutchins_lt2>I always thought so, though I use plain fdisk out of habit.
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11:16<mix22891>my englsih su*** or linux is harder?
11:17<mix22891>what is habit and GUI ?
11:17<jamin>Old habits die hard...
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11:17<versi>mix22891, german?
11:18<versi>i could've helped u in german
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11:19<mix22891>no problem
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11:19<mix22891>english is an international lungw
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11:20<versi>wtf does fender do there?
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11:22<mix22891>i like to bass down low
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11:23<mix22891>i like my beats bast and my bass down low
11:23<mix22891>haha what a song
11:24<mix22891>beats fast i mean*
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11:26<versi>bye bye
11:26<mix22891>hi and bye
11:27<mix22891>Who's that Chick?
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11:28<mix22891>yeah yeah
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11:34<SynrG>mix22891, versi: social chit-chat -> #debian-offtopic, #moocows, etc.
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11:49<mix22891>i need a program to edit partitions
11:49<mix22891>no cfdisk
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11:52<jasonsmr>or kpartx
11:52<Black_Prince>or gparted
11:53<jasonsmr>or if you know what your doing parted for that matter
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11:58<necro>i have just installed xubuntu. i open xchat, and im here
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12:00<mix22891>necro :P
12:01<mix22891>jasonsmr no "kparted" in software center
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12:02<Black_Prince>It's called kpartx
12:02<Black_Prince>It's for KE
12:02<Black_Prince>gparted is for gnome.
12:02<necro>is there speedup plugin for apt-get
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12:03<Black_Prince>There is ... It is called more $$
12:03<necro>how much more for how much faster?
12:03<stroyan>necro: If you just installed xubuntu then you should connect to a freenode server and join the #xubuntu channel
12:04<necro>Black_Prince, how much do i pay for how much faster?
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12:05<Black_Prince>Better Hardware + Faster Connection ...
12:05<Black_Prince>Or some will tell you to use !aptitude
12:05<necro>how much better, how much faster
12:05<necro>what's aptitude better than apt-get?
12:05<Black_Prince>!tell necro about why aptitude
12:05<corey__>can someone tell me how to fix pinguy os boor logo its based of ubuntu
12:06<Black_Prince>!tell necro about why not aptitude
12:06<corey__>boot logo
12:06<mix22891>i've install kpartx and i can't find it
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12:06<acdimalev>!tell acdimalev about why aptitude
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12:07<necro>aptitude gives me 29.7 kB/s
12:07<necro>is that good?
12:07<Black_Prince>!tell acdimalev about telling yourself
12:07<necro>is that normal?
12:07<Black_Prince>Depends how much bandwitdh you pay for
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12:07<Black_Prince>I pay for 1536/256, and apt-get gives me 185KB/s
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12:08<acdimalev>BP, I figured as much, I just didn't know which bot was answering to those. : P
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12:08<LotR>also depends on how much distance between you and the mirror you selected I'd say
12:08<jasonsmr>mix22891, gparted will work just fine, I was trying to remember the kpartx, which is more for LVM anyway
12:09<Black_Prince>apt-get was fastest for me when I had mirror on the same machine.
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12:12<mix22891>jasonsmr: i've install gparted and i can't find it
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12:13<Black_Prince>mix22891, what Desktop/Window Manager are you using?
12:13<jasonsmr>in the trminal type gparted
12:14*Black_Prince covers his ears
12:15<jasonsmr>ill leave it to Black_Prince :P anyway ;)
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12:15<Black_Prince>It is the right way, I was just kidding
12:15<jasonsmr>I m in a bad way right now with nfs file shares and its getting late
12:15<jasonsmr>oh ha
12:17<jasonsmr>howd you do that *
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12:17<retrospectacus>type /action covers his ears
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12:18<Black_Prince>or /me ... in some irc clients
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12:19<lee-0>hm, isn´t there a debugging version of konqueror in Testing?
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12:20<retrospectacus>oh sorry... it is /me etc.
12:20<mix22891>i want unmount partition, but it says that partition is in use
12:20<retrospectacus>I was thinking of something else.... not enough coffee
12:20<mix22891>my HomeFolder
12:21<retrospectacus>mix22891: yes it is. Why do you want to unmount that?
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12:21<lee-0>mix22891, you cannot unmount a filesystem while it´s in use. Sometimes you can use lsof to figure out which programs keep files open.
12:21<mix22891>to create new partition from the same partition
12:21<Black_Prince>mix22891, If you want to resize or shring file system, you need to use some kind of rescue disk or live cd
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12:22<mix22891>i see
12:22<Black_Prince>,versions kdebase-dbg
12:22<judd>Package kdebase-dbg on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.4.5-3; sid: 4:4.6.3-1
12:22<mix22891>thanks Black_prince
12:22<Black_Prince>lee-0, konqueror is built from kdebase source package
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12:23<lee-0>Black_Prince, thanks, I´ll check that out. Konqueror crashes all too frequently ...
12:25<lee-0>BTW, when you install a debugging package, does it replace the executable or does it only add information needed for debugging?
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12:25<Black_Prince>It installs files into /usr/lib/debug/ as root file system with debug info only, debugger only loads debbuging symbols from there
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12:26<dpkg>gdb is, like, gnu debugger
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12:27<lee-0>Wow, that´s pretty cool :) Doesn´t that have some effects on the binaries, like the binaries still having to have at least some debugging information compiled in which might affect performance?
12:28<Black_Prince>debugging infromation is copied on package building, so there is no debugging info left in binaries.
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12:29<babilen>lee-0: Please note that we have the #debian-next channel which is meant for wheezy/sid users. :)
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12:32<lee-0>Thanks --- looks like I better switch to #debian-next ... However, even with the debugging package installed, the bug reporter says the information provided is insufficient.
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12:34<necro>debian sucks
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12:36<babilen>necro: Good that you do not have to use it. Please try to refrain from making comments like these in the future, because they are neither helpful nor adequate.
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12:37<necro>debian stable is out of date, debian unstable is really "unstable"
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12:38<necro>need more?
12:38<babilen>!tell necro -about overview
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12:38<necro>i'm trolling, you know
12:39<sney>incredible, we never could have guessed
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12:39<necro>ok more coming
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12:40<necro>debian conf.d is stupidiest i ever seen, split conf files so ppl won't be able to config it
12:40<sney>necro: this is a support channel. if you want a fight, go send an email to the developers or something.
12:41<sney>and if you have an idea for improving the os, file a wishlist bug :P
12:41<necro>i won't. debian is too bad for me to improve
12:41<necro>very wrong concept debian use
12:42<sney>!ops necro
12:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: necro
12:42-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*necro@219.133.16.*] by Ganneff
12:42-!-necro was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [necro]
12:42<babilen>Ganneff: ta!
12:42*drewdavis applauds.
12:42<Black_Prince>That was fast
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12:47<mock>is there a good document to read about hibernate/suspend?
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12:48<mock>!tell mock -about hibernate
12:48<babilen>mock: Good intuition, but "/msg dpkg hibernate" works just as well. :)
12:49<mock>thanks babilen
12:50<Black_Prince>but this way is to much kewl than the /msg one
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13:09<known>hello any 1 out there
13:09<babilen>known: There are plenty of people in this channel. Just ask your question and we will try to answer it. :)
13:10<known>i want to know about some server security stuffs
13:11<known>as my server have been attacked many time these days
13:11<babilen>known: You might want to read the "Securing Debian Manual" in that case. There are also many different aspects to computer security. But I guess that you get a good overview of different areas by reading that.
13:11<babilen>!securing debian
13:11<dpkg>The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>.
13:13<known>no i want to aware in all servers security
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13:13<babilen>known: Sorry, I don't quite understand. Could you rephrase that?
13:13<known>my debian server also hass been exploited
13:14<known>i want to know overall server securities
13:14<known>in recent attacks these days going on so i want to learn about security
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13:16<known>Once the attackers
13:16<known>had a shell, they used an unknown, presumably local, privilege
13:16<known>escalation exploit to compromise several system binaries.
13:16<known>so i want to know about how it has been done
13:16<Arrowmaster>do you know how they got a shell?
13:16<known>so that i can secure that
13:16<sney>hmm, that was pasted from somewhere, and his english is oscillating
13:17<known>may be done bu heap overrun
13:17<known>sney: so what u think
13:18<babilen>quoted from #622897
13:18<sney>I think you're running backtrack, and I think you're fishing for information so you can learn to be a h4x0r
13:18<known>ehehe yes
13:18<known>its true
13:19<known>but i run my servers dedicated server
13:19<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
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13:20<sney>and even if that story about your server being attacked isn't *complete* fiction, the security types in the backtrack channel probably know more about it than we do.
13:21<known>ok so what i should do in securing from such threat
13:21<sney>read the securing debian manual. most of it can be expanded to general gnu/linux security concepts
13:22<sney>and next time you want help, don't lead into it with lies and stolen sentences
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13:23<babilen>known: Please ask further questions in #backtrack-linux on as we won't and can't support backtrack in here. Have a nice day and may you learn whatever you want to learn.
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13:24<known>sney: i real tell i have been using my server which is attacked
13:24<sney>my entire ass, known.
13:25<known>by some buffer overfflow
13:25<sney>!ops known needs help finding the exit
13:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: known needs help finding the exit
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13:26<known>why u guys want me to exit
13:27<daemonkeeper>What's the channel name?
13:27<known>debian !!
13:27<daemonkeeper>And what are you using?
13:27<known>bt 4
13:27<babilen>known: Please take it to #backtrack-linux on thank you. (seriously)
13:27<daemonkeeper>You should realize "Debian" != "Bt4"
13:28<known>i want know about debian as well
13:28<known>may i will use that as well in future
13:28<daemonkeeper>Then go ahead, install Debian and we are willing to help you
13:28<retrospectacus>this channel is for support. Go to
13:28<sney>but if you want help from us, don't steal from an old debian bug report to trick us
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13:28<sney>known: look. We know.
13:28<srtu>today is trolling day?
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13:29<known>i have read many articles so i can have any query to ask about
13:29<daemonkeeper>srtu: Yes, every even day in the month.
13:29<known>it is not sure i can not learn some thing which is out there
13:29<tharkun>!tell known about sweet
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13:30<Hydroxide>known: this channel isn't about general server security tutorials, either. it's about Debian user technical support. This is the last warning to either leave or silently observe until I have the channel enforce that.
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13:32<known>ok if i use debian then ?
13:32<known>now i am going to download
13:33<sney>look, child. you want to be a hacker? security expert? don't come to irc and tell stories. go read everything you can and teach yourself by example.
13:34<Hydroxide>known: if you use debian we can give you assistance in using it, but #debian is not a place to properly learn computer security in general, even for debian users, aside from certain tips about securing their system such as we gave before.
13:34<Hydroxide>#debian will definitely not teach how to write shellcode for buffer overflow exploits, sorry.
13:34<weasel>don't be sorry
13:34<Hydroxide>weasel: yeah, it wasn't that kind of sorry
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13:35<known>ok i will leave it in some moment
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13:35<dpkg>Put "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
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13:36<tuxodau>!server security
13:36<Hydroxide>known: ok, thank you for respecting the topic of #debian.
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13:37<mjt>what's up with this bt thing -- why people ask about it, why it has its own set of dpkg factoids, and especially why they ask about it here in #debian?
13:37<known>dpkg : u seems very gentle and thanks i will surely ask
13:37<dpkg>known: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
13:37<tharkun>mjt: life is a bitch and when you get to like it ...
13:38<known>i want to know some server security
13:38<known>tuxodau : here every 1 saying i am making storieas
13:38*babilen looks at weasel
13:38<Hydroxide>known: dpkg isn't a person. it's a bot. if you want to ask it questions.
13:39-!-mode/#debian [+o Hydroxide] by ChanServ
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13:39<sney>like talking to a wall
13:39<babilen>Hydroxide: thank you
13:39*weasel glares at babilen
13:39<Hydroxide>known: that should have said, if you want to ask it questions, use /msg. I've silenced you here for 10 minutes. please don't make us make it permanent.
13:39<tuxodau>ask fpr a hint, where you can find security issues
13:39<babilen>weasel: hehe :)
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13:42<tharkun>Gentlemen i need to do a ssb from several packages to an architecture that is not the one running on my laptop. I do have the pertinent chroots installed. How can i automate this whole process?
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13:44<tharkun>For obvious reasons i do not wish to reinven the wheel at this momment
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13:52<opium>I just installed phpmyadmin and I'm on the url but it's asking me for a username and pw. I have tried "admin with no pw" I have tried "my root account with my root pw" and have tried the username and password in /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php Anyone know what I put?
13:53<Yoda-BZH>your mysql password
13:54<opium>i tried it, and put the username as the email address i have signed up with my sql?
13:54<weasel>'root' and your mysql root user password.
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13:55<opium>it's still not allowing me. Error #2002
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14:11<jhutchins>Opium should read the files in /usr/share/doc/ when he gets back.
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14:18<Metaphor-Man>hallo du
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14:24<Black_Prince>kewl reason
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14:29<Class>Hello folks :)
14:29<Class>I'm planning to buy a new pc on Intel's sandy bridge
14:29<Class>does debian squeeze has full support
14:30<sney>cpu support, sure. NIC and other hardware depends on the chip/vendor
14:30<Class>on intels new socket ?
14:30<Class>i'm planning to buy i3 2100 or above
14:31<Class>is Gpu well supported ?
14:31<sney>squeeze uses the 2.6.32 linux kernel by default; 2.6.38 is also available. You can google hardware compatibility for those 2 kernels and that will provide your answer
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14:31<Class>i'm interested what problems might i face
14:31<Black_Prince>Class, as already said, depends on what chip/vendor ...
14:31<sney>I think the integrated gpu isn't completely supported, though it does work
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14:35<Class>Black_Prince, can you suggest me something well supported and tested hardware ? :)
14:37<Black_Prince>Well, there are about million of configurations ... But, many new motherboards had problems with alsa and kernel 2.6.32 which is in squeeze, nvidia and ati video cards require proprietary driver for 3d, wireless and ethernet cards require non-free firmware to function. .. etc
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14:37<sney>it still isn't the year of linux on the desktop. I'd recommend discrete graphics though.
14:38<Black_Prince>But nothing is hard to fix if you really want it.
14:38<sney>intel integrated is just not good even when it's working flawlessly
14:38<Black_Prince>I have intel integrated hardware
14:38<Black_Prince>and Broadcom ethernet
14:38<sney>I feel for you
14:38<Black_Prince>everything worked out of the box
14:38<sney>did you use the firmware installer?
14:38<Black_Prince>no need for firmware
14:38<daemonkeeper>Broadcom needs firmware
14:38<Black_Prince>this one does not
14:39<Black_Prince>it looks for firmware, but it can function without it
14:39<dpkg>tg3 is a driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 chipset or for TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>.
14:39<sney>ah, tg3
14:39<daemonkeeper>Ah, ok.
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14:39<Class>Black_Prince, what kernel version is included in debian testing release
14:39<Black_Prince>Intel 865G graphics ... I spent one year to get past 1024x768 resolution ... managed to get it last night
14:39<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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14:40<sney>Class: wheezy is the testing release. currently we're topped out at 2.6.38 for daily use systems. usable testing kernels usually get backported to stable as well
14:40<Class>sney, no i do not now i have a old pentium 4 so it does not need non free firmware
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14:40<dvs>when will 2.6.40 by releases? ;->
14:40<Black_Prince>Weird thing is that I have AD1981B on Intel AC'97 controller, and I needed pulseaudio for proper function with some apps.
14:40<daemonkeeper>No 2.6.40 at all
14:41<daemonkeeper>Next kernel will be 3.0 ;)
14:41<Black_Prince>3.0 is there, doh
14:41<Black_Prince>And I so wanted to see 2.0 one :(
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14:41<dvs>Black_Prince: at least there was a real reason for a 2.0 version
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14:42<daemonkeeper>We're in the last sprint! Just two more releases to reach Windows 3.1!
14:42<Class>yep 3.0 rc is out there
14:42<Black_Prince>I can't wait for Linux NT ...
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14:42<Black_Prince>So it's about 40 years from now ...
14:42<fishsponge>hey people - does anyone here still use HotSaNIC?? or did anyone used to use it?? I love it, but it's so old, I was wondering if there was any modern equivalent which was just as simple...
14:42<fishsponge>i.e. i don't need user authentication etc, etc, etc... just a read only view of historical system stats
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14:45<fishsponge>i'll try a different question... lol, is "cacti" a really simple, industry-standard system stats historical graphing utility that will do partition capacity & fill percentage, CPU usage, memory usage, mailq length, load average, network usage etc...
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14:46<Black_Prince>fishsponge, you may want to look at conky ... But it is an X11 app
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14:46<fishsponge>the screenshot of cacti on it's web page makes it look very powerful, but therefore rather complex... hotsanic was perfect in my opinion...
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14:47<fishsponge>thanks Black_Prince, but i want something web-based which does not require any login - just read-only, web-based charts of historical system stats
14:47<Black_Prince>Huh, I don't know
14:47<fishsponge>shame really... did you ever use HotSaNIC (or have you ever even heard of it?)
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14:47<retrospectacus>take a look at zabbix?
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14:48<Black_Prince>To be honest, I never heard about it
14:49<fishsponge>Black_Prince, fair enough! it died in about 2004... maybe through lack of use, maybe cos the developer gave up... i loved it though (and still do)!
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14:49<zool>help driver nvidia
14:49<fishsponge>it's still available for download, but it's starting to work with modern linux less and less sadly
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14:49<fishsponge>retrospectacus, thanks for that... checking it out now
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14:50<fishsponge>retrospectacus, zabbix appears to be an alternative to nagios... that's a monitoring system, not a statistical graphing utility...
14:50<fishsponge>here's hotsanic...
14:50<fishsponge>i want something like this!
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14:51<daemonkeeper>Do you care about graphing or monitoring?
14:51<fishsponge>i care about graphing historical stats... i already use nagios for monitoring
14:51<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, ^^
14:51<daemonkeeper>Consider munin then
14:51<fishsponge>"A default installation provides a lot of graphs with almost no work." - i like the sound of that!
14:52<fishsponge>munin looks good... not quite as nice an interface as hotsanic, but far more graphs
14:53<daemonkeeper>Alternatives include, but are not limited to Cacti.
14:53<fishsponge>might try to install and configure both... and delete the one i like the least
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14:53<fishsponge>i looked at cacti, but the screenshot on their web page makes it look very powerful, but therefore very complex. i want as simple as possible...
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14:53<fishsponge>cacti has things like "user authentication"... which is already way more than my requirements!
14:54<fishsponge>rrdtool is great, but I don't feel like writing all the stuff surrounding it myself... hotsanic and munin both use rrdtool by the look of it
14:54<fishsponge>well, i know hotsanic does.
14:55<fishsponge>anyway... i think i'll install hotsanic and munin and see which i like the most
14:55<fishsponge>thanks for the help, people!
14:55<Black_Prince>I did not have a computer in 2004
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14:57<fishsponge>lol, i got on the internet in 1996 and had a web site by 1997!
14:57<fishsponge>(i'm only 28 btw)
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14:58<fishsponge>and i had a 486 with a 2GB(!!!!) hard drive!
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14:58<scisteffan>hey guys, anyone got a recommendation for good referencing software (mainly scientific journals) compatible with openoffice
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15:02<Black_Prince>I am only 17 ... tough
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15:03<daemonkeeper>Black_Prince, fishsponge: I'd invite you to continue your conversation in #debian-offtopic
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15:10<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, just a quick one... my munin apache config file says: Allow from localhost ::1
15:10<fishsponge>what does the ::1 mean?
15:11<daemonkeeper>The same in IPv6
15:11<fishsponge>also, if I change it to the following, i still cannot access it from my laptop on Allow from localhost ::1
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15:12<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, any idea how to make it accessible to given that the above doesn't seem to let me do it?
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15:12<fishsponge>oh, sorry... it does work now... Allow from localhost ::1
15:12<daemonkeeper>You need to reload your Apache
15:12<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, did that... didn't work before, but does now! lol
15:13<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, can you access ??
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15:14<fishsponge>ah, ok... perhaps i should open it up to all!
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15:14<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, i see no reason to hide my munin pages from the world.... do you?!?
15:14<ompaul>not a great idea
15:14<fishsponge>why not?
15:14<fishsponge>they're only seeing stats, aren't they?
15:15<fishsponge>ompaul, ^^
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15:15<daemonkeeper>Information disclosure is a threat as well
15:15<ompaul>if it highlights a problem ... someone may exploit that
15:15<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, that's true... i'll just open it up to my workplace then :-)
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15:16<k1lumin4t1>anybody around using VirtualBox 4.0.8 on Debian?
15:16<fishsponge>what's the subnet mask for a single IP address?
15:16<fishsponge>i want but in "Allow from....." format
15:16<fishsponge>oh yeah, i remember now
15:16<fishsponge>i did know how to calculate it once
15:17<ompaul> /32
15:18<fishsponge>how do i put an "Allow from......" on a subdir of /var/www ?
15:18<fishsponge>.htaccess presumably
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15:19<k1lumin4t1>I'm using VirtualBox 4.0.8 on Debian Sid. I have two guest systems under VBox: Debian Lenny and Windows XP and have both configured in brigde networking mode. Until recently I could connect to the internet from within the guests
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15:23<SynrG>k1lumin4t1: i do, but this isn't the place for support for it
15:23<dpkg>Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. #vbox on See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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15:24<k1lumin4t1>SynrG, thanks
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15:26<fishsponge>question... apart from putting stuff in hosts.deny, is there anything else i can do to restrict people from getting access to SSH on my machine? (i can't restrict it in my firewall/router because it's crap, and I don't want to go down the iptables route really)
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15:27<fishsponge>also, does hosts.deny get as far as the SSH daemon or is it cut off before? i.e. if OpenSSH is exploitable, would hosts.deny be useless?
15:27<daemonkeeper>denyhosts, fail2ban, ...
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15:28<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, cool, thanks for that! do you know if hosts.deny is still valid even if OpenSSH is exploitable though? (i.e. is it system-level or openssh-level?)
15:28<fishsponge>with hosts.deny, does the SSH connection get as far as the SSH process, which then looks at the hosts.deny and says "no"?
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15:29<fishsponge>or does the kernel or some other part of the system cut it off before it gets into the sshd process?
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15:31<daemonkeeper>Of course its not. If OpenSSH would be exploited you could execute arbitrarly code. However this means you would have to pass hosts.deny first.
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15:32<fishsponge>ok, good... so hosts.deny would have to be bypassed first and then they could begin attacking sshd...
15:32<nyov>fishsponge: tcp wrappers, port change, iptables
15:32<daemonkeeper>nyov: Port change is security by obscurity.
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15:32<nyov>daemonkeeper: yes, and I don't care. it makes for a good mix, keeps the logs cleaner from the scanners
15:33<nyov>they have to find you first, to exploit you, anyway
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15:33<fishsponge>that's very true...
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15:33<daemonkeeper>A safe password helps to come over scanners, not silly port changes.
15:33<nyov>daemonkeeper: ofcourse I do have other means in hardening
15:33<fishsponge>i've installed logcheck, so hopefully i should be notified eventually of any attempts anyway (unless there's something better than logcheck these days)
15:34<nyov>daemonkeeper: in the case of ssh, no passwords at all
15:34<daemonkeeper>nyov: True.
15:34<fishsponge>i've also said "no" to "PermitRootLogin" in sshd_config, of course
15:35<nyov>fishsponge: the possibility of bad code in ssh is rather slim, more likely your password gets cracked - so use keys only
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15:36<fishsponge>they'd be there a while cracking my password i think... 13 random letters, numbers and symbols... how long do you reckon that'd take?
15:37<daemonkeeper>there is jack the ripper, find out
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15:37<fishsponge>daemonkeeper, weirdly, munin thinks i'm having 79m apache accesses per second... surely "m" doesn't stand for "million", does it?!?
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15:37<sosaited>I have installed Debian 6 on Asus P5GL-MX (Intel 915 chipset). When it boots, it goes straight to console. If I type "startx", it shows a black screen and hangs. Any tips
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15:42<fishsponge>right... time for dinner!
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15:42<fishsponge>speak to you all later!
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15:44<sosaited>Is there no one here online?
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15:45<dpkg>Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help.
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15:49<nyov>sosaited: do you have X installed?
15:49<babilen>sosaited: It would probably help if you could paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to
15:49<SynrG>sosaited: unfortunately i am here, but offline
15:49<SynrG>tip 1: provide us with log output (in a pastebin). /var/log/Xorg.0.log is good for starters
15:49<nyov>errm the video i mean
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15:50<sosaited>nyov, I think so. I tried apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg, and it said xserver was already installed, but it didn't wanted to install some other "mesa" files. But it asked for Debian cd instead of downloading from internet
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15:51<sosaited>babilen, Will the log contain anything when it doesn't even start x. And when I do it manually, it hangs? Or should I look for older logs if any?
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15:51<sosaited>SynrG, LOL. You know what I meant back there..
15:52<babilen>sosaited: It doesn't start X at all? You have no logs?
15:53<SynrG>sosaited: and i was serious
15:53<SynrG>hence my duplicate answer
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15:53<SynrG>i read your question offline and replied offline
15:53<SynrG>it's hard to see what other people have answered when i do that :)
15:53<sosaited>babilen, It doesn't seem like it does. It goes straight to console login. And when I do "startx" it shows a black screen and hangs up. I am on my Ubuntu and the Xorg.0.log.old has some stuff
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15:54<babilen>sosaited: So, when you run "startx" it immediately freezes and no /var/log/Xorg.0.log is created?
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15:55<sosaited>babilen, When I boot in Debian, yes. It doesn't immediately freezes. It clears the console and shows a black screen and then freezes.
15:55<Black_Prince>Squeeze kernel has some issues with intel 9xx series ...
15:55<sosaited>babilen, Xorg.0.log is empty at the moment in root of debian.
15:55<SynrG>although, i had no problems with i915 on asus eeepc 701 ... but, who knows.
15:55<Black_Prince>You can try installing kernel from backports ...
15:56<Black_Prince>My card uses i915 module too ... But a different model
15:56<sosaited>Black_Prince, any link or tips regarding that?
15:56<babilen>Hmm, ok. That indicated that you have indeed a problem. Could you try a newer kernel -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel -- And go through and paste your results?
15:56<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>.
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16:00<sosaited>Here is the xorg.0.log.old
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16:03<babilen>sosaited: You might want to install libgl1-mesa-dri (unrelated to your problem though, just met the eye in the logs)
16:03<nyov>sosaited: installed xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
16:04<babilen>sosaited: So, you were able to start X on Debian before?
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16:05<Black_Prince>According to log, xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed, and also it looks fine
16:05<Black_Prince>Could be kms issue ... But who knows
16:05<SynrG>sosaited: are you using /home from another, non-debian system? maybe there's something screwed up in your .xinitrc or something
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16:07<Black_Prince>Or even, a terminal emulator missing ... Which I had once
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16:08<babilen>Spopke: Indeed :)
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16:09<Spopke>I try to find out how work i
16:09<daemonkeeper>You did
16:09<babilen>!tell Spopke -about irc tutorial
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16:09<Spopke>Ok thanks
16:09<babilen>Spopke: But welcome to #debian -- If you have a (Debian related) question just ask.
16:10<Osiris_X>!ask make-kpkg
16:10<dpkg>methinks make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
16:10<Black_Prince>!kernel package
16:10<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
16:10<babilen>Osiris_X: That would be "/msg dpkg make-kpkg"
16:11<Black_Prince>We need to find a place in channel's topic for !telling yourself
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16:13<reklipz>Hey folks; I've just been asked to test Linux 3.0 RC1 on my laptop. It has a specific hardware configuration which a bug for b43 has been created in 3.0 RC1.
16:13<reklipz>How would I go about doing this... it's currently running Squeeze.
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16:15<babilen>reklipz: 3.0 packages will hit experimental soonish -- Not sure if "/msg dpkg kp" already works for it, but it is worth a try.
16:16<reklipz>babilen: Ah, thanks.
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16:17<reklipz>s/bug/bug fix/ ...
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16:17<daemonkeeper>Well if not, Debian kernel maintainers will appreciate your bug reports.
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16:18<amakusa>can anyone recomend a gnome-independent system tray?
16:19<SynrG>well, lxpanel implements one
16:19<babilen>amakusa: trayer?
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16:19<lindi-_>amakusa: do you mean system tray?
16:19<SynrG>but it needs to run in the panel
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16:19<lindi-_>amakusa: (as in )
16:20<SynrG>lxpanel isn't bad, though. it's an fbpanel derivative
16:20<babilen>fbpanel is also not bad :)
16:20<SynrG>does it have a system tray?
16:21<babilen>IIRC yes
16:21<babilen>it does
16:21<amakusa>basically anythig that will show me my system tray but that is standalone or at least not depend on gnome
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16:22<babilen>amakusa: Which WM are you using?
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16:23<babilen>amakusa: And we already mentioned a couple of options, what do you dislike about them?
16:23<amakusa>babilen: I don't dislike them, I'm looking at them right now :-D
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16:26<babilen>amakusa: stalonetray is a very minimalistic one (used it back in the day) also worth a look. What attributes would your preferred choice have?
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16:27<amakusa>babilen: to be very symple, small, not flashy and as bugless as possible I guess
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16:28<Planet8>I have just cloned a drive using "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb", and I have double checked that the drives was in right order etc. Both drives was identical in size, and dd finished without errors, but when I but the clone I get "No operating system found".
16:29<Planet8>How can that be?
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16:29<Black_Prince>Planet8 I am not sure, but maybe reinstalling mbr on second one might help
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16:30<Planet8>Black_Prince, shouldn't dd clone the mbr as well?
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16:30<Black_Prince>Planet8, I am not sure, that's why I am saying.
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16:33<ml|>Planet8: this might help
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16:40<oddball42>hello i got a problem and i am seeing if there is someone that had the same thing happen
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16:41<oddball42>here it is. I lost my usb thumb drive that had my boot partition on and the fs is an encrypted lvm2
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16:42<oddball42>is there a way i can make a new boot partition for the lvm2
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17:10<unicstar>Planet8: I think you must add option "conv=notrunc" to your command
17:11<unicstar>without that it is probable that the new boot sector is not healthy
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17:14<phaeton>hi guis.
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17:15<phaeton>are the network managers like "cnetworkmanager" the default way to manage your ip settings and such now?
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17:16<phaeton>in the old days we just modified /etc/network, IIRC, but i don't see that in squeeze
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17:16<SynrG>it's still there. you can use it, or not.
17:17<SynrG>your choice
17:17<nyov>phaeton: it's /etc/network/interfaces
17:17<SynrG>it's common to use NM for a desktop system. ifupdown is still default
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17:17<SynrG>but if you install GNOME, etc. typically it comes with NM
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17:18<phaeton>nyov: ah thx. My memory is a bit fuzzy :(
17:18<phaeton><-- old man
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17:19<phaeton>SynrG: thanks
17:19<nyov>phaeton: but there are also tools to leverage Network Manager on the commandline, as you mentioned one, or nmcli
17:19<phaeton>the docs made it sound like it is the new default
17:19<SynrG>which docs?
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17:21<phaeton>i'm on a different machine atm. Let me get the url
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17:24<phaeton>in any event, maybe it's just reading comprehension problems on my part. You guys answered my question, and I thank you.
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17:24<nyov>it is used by default, and makes sense for most desktop system cases, but it's perfectly viable to rip it out
17:25<jhutchins_lt>phaeton: For laptops that are hopping from one network to another NM is needed, and it supersedes the older utilities.
17:25<nyov>or use wicd
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17:25<jhutchins_lt>For a static desktop it's stupid.
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17:26<jhutchins_lt>The old model was a system-wide administered connection, but NM allows the connections to be managed from userspace.
17:27<jhutchins_lt>Making it the default instead of an install-time question is probably just GUI-only overkill.
17:27<phaeton>fwiw, it's all the automation and wizards and stuff in Ubuntu that drove me back to Debian
17:27<SynrG>the doc does talk about "modern" (NM, et al) and "legacy" (/e/n/i)
17:28<SynrG>so i can see how you got that impression
17:28<SynrG>i wouldn't call ifupdown and /e/n/i "legacy"
17:28<phaeton>also i notice that /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't work so well anymore, and the warning calls it deprecated
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17:29<unicstar>SynrG: when the "modern" method goes to be problematic and not work, then you will have to switch to "always working" legacy mode
17:29<SynrG>the author here clearly has their bias :P
17:29<nyov>phaeton: there is tanother reason behind that, in some cases networking restart can't bring up a connection again
17:29<phaeton>nyov has that always been the case?
17:29<phaeton>never had trouble before, but was i just lucky?
17:30<jhutchins_lt>"Legacy" means "those old farts who still use the stupid command line".
17:30<nyov>i believe so, but I can't tell you what corner-case that is right now
17:30<nyov>jhutchins_lt: haha I feel old now
17:31<jhutchins_lt>phaeton: For a standard configuration where you have everythiing in interfaces, networking restart works.
17:31<SynrG>hmm. tempted to file a bug "Stop treating commandline users like second-rate citizens" ;)
17:31<jhutchins_lt>phaeton: Where you have stuff like wpa supplicant for wifi it might not, but ifup/down should still work.
17:32<phaeton>that's what i was hoping.
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17:32<jhutchins_lt>It's the users who refuse to have anything to do with the CLI, insist that everything be GUI that get under my skin.
17:32<phaeton>jhutchins_lt: agreed
17:33<SynrG>rants about cli vs gui -> #debian-offtopic if you want to vent a bit more :)
17:33<phaeton>i'll vent about something else, actually, heh
17:35<SynrG>if you had hoped to do everything cli and want to include wireless, i highly recommend reading the material in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/
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17:35<SynrG>there are some nice recipes in there for setting it all up
17:35<SynrG>i use a 'roaming' conifiguration fromt hat
17:35<SynrG>from that*
17:35<phaeton>SynrG: thanks. Though, this is a pretty heavy desktop PC, and the battery life isn't so great
17:35<phaeton>not a good wifi choice
17:36<SynrG>ah. heh
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17:40<nyov>I wonder what happened to netconf ..
17:41<madduck>nothing. it's stalled.
17:42<jhutchins_lt>ailoth has been having upgrade pains lately.
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17:44<daemonkeeper>Still has
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17:47<TaZeR>Hi I'm having a problem with Wine on Debian Squeeze, I installed it but it didnt show up in applications so i tried through command console and it worked and it installed a program but i cant run the program or find the .wine folder anywhere
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17:48<cthuluh>TaZeR: did you install all wine-related packages?
17:48<cthuluh>aptitude search ~n^wine
17:48<TaZeR>which ones would those be? i just did aptitude install wine and it installed lots of stuff
17:48<TaZeR>ok ill try that
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17:49<TaZeR>what am i supposed to see from that?
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17:50<cthuluh>dunno. maybe you'll have more luck with, say, wine-bin
17:50<cthuluh>I don't use wine so I can't help much more
17:51<TaZeR>wine-bin is listed there
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17:51<TaZeR>i wine - Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer
17:51<TaZeR>p wine-bin - Windows API implementation - binary loader
17:51<TaZeR>p wine-dbg - Debugging symbols for Wine
17:51<TaZeR>p wine-dev - Development headers for Wine and libwine
17:51<TaZeR>p wine-doc - Windows API implementation - documentation
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17:51<TaZeR>thats what i got
17:51<cthuluh>TaZeR: remember to use a pastebin
17:52<ziconix>Has anyone had any problems connecting to the internet using wireless (b43) with kernel 2.6.38-bpo on Debian Squeeze?
17:53<ziconix>I can not figure this out for the life of me.
17:53<cthuluh>did you by chance check
17:53<nyov>ziconix: i believe b43 needs firmware
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17:54<ziconix>Yeah, correct, I have that installed and working perfectly with stock kernel
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17:54<cthuluh>and is there a backported version of this firmware?
17:54<ziconix>So everything works fine with stock kernel, it's just the newer kernel seems to improve performance a bit on this old laptop
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17:55<ziconix>Hm.... i'll check real quick.
17:55<cthuluh>seems that the answer is no
17:56<nyov>ziconix: you could get the latest firmware dep from wheezy, extract the binary blobd, and put them where yours are now
17:57<nyov>wow my writing skills are degrading, s/dep/deb/
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17:57<ziconix>okay, I follow you
17:58<ziconix>I'll give it a shot. Thanks, I was kind of stumped on what to do next.
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18:01<daks>hello everybody
18:02<Class>daks, hey
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18:03<TaZeR>hey i installed wine-bin from synaptic and now i have a .wine folder and wine is in applications but if i installed coreavc it doesnt show up in applications and manually the .lnk wont open if i go in the wine C:
18:03<TaZeR>how can i open a windows .lnk file?
18:03<daks>hello Class
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18:04<daks>do you know an irc channel where i can get help with connecting to a vpn network using a usb modem under ubuntu 10.10?
18:05<nyov>TaZeR: you can view the lnk file and run the command that's in it
18:05<nyov>oh wait, a windows lnk. forget what I said
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18:05<TaZeR>it doesnt just open a plain .exe its for some advanced configs of the coreavc
18:06<TaZeR>i know it worked fine in ubuntu
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18:06<toumbia>I want to set a printer by default, I set with cups like this < Set as server default >, but it contiune to not set like I want
18:07<toumbia>it is the good way to set my printer ?
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18:07<nyov>TaZeR: you could try (just a guess) to run wine <path to your *.lnk>
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18:08<TaZeR>yea i tried just running it with wine alredy
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18:08<TaZeR>if all programs are gonna do this then my wines not really running right
18:09<TaZeR>its supposed to make workable shortcuts under application menu
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18:10<TaZeR>i ran a strings on it and it said C:\windows\system32\rundll32.exe
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18:11<cthuluh>daks: #ubuntu on
18:13<phaeton>thanks for all the help, folks
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18:36<TaZeR>anyone know anything about how to compile mplayer to work with coreavc using dshowserver?
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18:38<babilen>TaZeR: I would try mplayer from dmm (/msg dpkg dmm) first, if that doesn't cut it "/msg dpkg package recompile" and know yourself out -- #mplayerhq
18:39<babilen>TaZeR: err, it is #mplayer on freenode
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18:39<TaZeR>ok ill try there thanks
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19:31<dpkg>hello, daemonkeeper
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19:31<novascousa>hey - this is my first time using irc..
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19:32<novascousa>thanks! I believe I'm in the wrong place though - I'm told I need to get to #Ubuntu in and I really don't know what that means....sorry for the noobishness
19:33<daemonkeeper>Are you using xchat?
19:33<nyov>novascousa: that's ok
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19:33<novascousa>yes i'm using xchat
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19:34<nyov>daemonkeeper can probably work you through? i don't know xchat yet
19:34<daemonkeeper>Well I'm using it neither, but I can try to remember blindly.
19:34<novascousa>No problem - thanks anyway nyov
19:34<daemonkeeper>Click on X-Chat -> Server List
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19:34<daemonkeeper>Scroll to Freenode, hit connect
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19:35<daemonkeeper>/something/ like that
19:36<daemonkeeper>You sould see a Freenode window below your text input line.
19:36<novascousa>Beauty! Thanks so much
19:36<daemonkeeper>Once you are in, change to the Freenode tab and enter "/join #ubuntu"
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19:37<daemonkeeper>Right clicking into the Freenode window and selecting "channel list" should work as well
19:37<novascousa>Great - once I found freenode it prompted me for the channel
19:38<novascousa>Thanks a lot for your help!
19:38*phorce1_home thinks irc shouldn't be a "clicky" experience. irssi+screen ftw
19:38<daemonkeeper>Welcome. Come back once you finally installed Debian ;)
19:38<nyov>phorce1_home: my thoughts exactly :P
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19:38<novascousa>haha we'll see
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19:41<daemonkeeper>irssi is really annoying if you are used to a large scrollback and a lot of channels
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19:42<nyov>daemonkeeper: what's your alternative? always willing to learn ;)
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19:42<nevyn>daemonkeeper: how so?
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19:42<TaZeR>ahahahaa irrsi
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19:42<TaZeR>multiplayer dos
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19:43<phorce1_home>my scrollback goes 24+ hours in most channels. I usually keep only 6 open 24/7 though so no real experience with more than 10
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19:44<daemonkeeper>nevyn: Because a ncurses window has a small resolution and you rapidly lose overview.
19:45*phorce1_home only "looks at" one chan at a time. But irssi lets me know which others are active and also which i've been highlighted in
19:45<daemonkeeper>nyov: Well, I'm trying Quassel right now. It has some nifty features, but I'm still not entirely convinced. This is however, the contrary of a "irssi+screen" experience (although it allows de-coupling, i.e. detach the grapical display from the actual session)
19:46<phorce1_home>I stay connected 24/7 on two different machines in two different locations. If I am "somewhere else" I can ssh to either of them and pick up my session easily
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19:46<daemonkeeper>phorce1_home: You can as well with Quassel and still use neat GUI
19:47<nyov>next thing I might try is weechat, but a customized irssi works pretty good for me right now
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19:47<daemonkeeper>client agnostic every IRC "bouncer" allows you to do so
19:47<retrospectacus>just ask dpkg
19:47<dpkg>it has been said that irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
19:47<phorce1>phorce1_home: or if I'm bored I can talk to myself
19:47<phorce1_home>phorce1: cool
19:48<cois4000>silly question, is it possible to not allow a user from changing file permissions on a file that user owns?
19:48<cois4000>or folder rather?
19:48<daemonkeeper>cois4000: Not out of the box
19:49<nevyn>daemonkeeper: is 30 a lot of channels?
19:49<daemonkeeper>nevyn: Sort of
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19:49*nevyn has run out of keys bound to windows.
19:49<nyov>actually i'm rather fond of having no gui ^^ and on "HD" resolution, i can see pretty much evn in a curses window
19:49<daemonkeeper>(we should move to #d-offtopic though)
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19:50<nyov>nevyn: the /window # thing is not nice I admit ;)
19:50<cois4000>thanks, i was just wondering because if a user felt like it he/she could change permission and allow access to there own private files by accident
19:51<phorce1_home>there used to be an irssi-gtk. I think it died years ago though
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19:58<Planet8>I need gtk+ in order to compile something, what package provides that? Doing a search doesn't really provide a specific result.
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20:00<nyov>Planet8: that depends on what gtk libs you need exactly, there are *-dev packages for that
20:01<Planet8>I don't know, it just says gtk+ 2.0
20:01<nyov>Planet8: are you sure you need to comile whatever it is? is it not in debians repositories?
20:02<Planet8>nyov, I just found it in wheezy :)
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20:18<scisteffan>Hi, I'm having problems with SANE. scanimage -L returns 2 devices. The one I want is epson2:libusb:002:007. What command should I use to scan images? Is it scanimage --device-name=epson2:libusb:002:007 > out.pnm
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20:20<nyov>scisteffan: what happens if you just use scanimage >my.file ?
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20:21<nyov>manpage says: The -d or --device-name options must be followed by a SANE device-name like `epson:/dev/sg0' or `hp:/dev/usbscanner0'.
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20:23<scisteffan>I get scanimage: sane_start: Invalid argument
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20:25<nyov>scisteffan: did your scanner work before? and why is it detecting 2 devices? 2 scanners?
20:27<scisteffan>yes, it worked about an hour ago. The other device is an iSight camera detected at v41:/dev/video0
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20:28<nyov>if it worked before, what changed since then? sane should know to ignore the camera, I think
20:28<nyov>but you could always unplug it and try again
20:30<scisteffan>not much, installed iceweasel 5, zotero & zotero openoffice plugin.. I've switched it to another USB port and it didn't work
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20:32<nyov>try plugging it out and in again first, maybe with the camera unplugged,
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20:33<nyov>then look in dmesg or /var/log/syslog for what device file it's using
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20:39<scisteffan>[ 2364.900827] usb 1-1.4: usbfs: interface 1 claimed by usblp while 'usb' sets config #1
20:39<scisteffan>[ 2368.861779] usb-storage: device scan complete
20:40<scisteffan>[ 2363.861867] usblp1: USB Bidirectional printer dev 12 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04B8 pid 0x0851
20:40<scisteffan>looks like it's getting the right one
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20:45<nyov>hmm, looks like a printer
20:45<scisteffan>w/ a built in scanner
20:45<nyov>and scanning doesn't work now?
20:48<nyov>well, what to try
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20:48<nyov>scanimage -L detects it?
20:49<scisteffan>yes. device `epson2:libusb:001:012' is a Epson PID 0851 flatbed scanner
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20:51<nyov>scanimage -T should do some sanity checks
20:52<scisteffan>as a side point - how do I type a hash key on my keyboard? (I've got the layout set to Macintosh..)
20:52<scisteffan>scanimage: sane_start: Invalid argument
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20:54<nyov>scisteffan: could you try with some default values, like scanimage -x 20 -y 20 >image.tiff ?
20:55<scisteffan>scanimage: sane_start: Invalid argument
20:55<nyov>ok let's get some debug output here
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20:56<nyov>your backend is epson i guess?
20:58<nyov>SANE_DEBUG_EPSON2=255 scanimage 2>error.log
20:58<nyov>try that and see if something appears in the error.log file
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21:00<scisteffan>yes, here it is:
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21:01<vianstak>wenas a todos
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21:01<nyov>scisteffan: looks good to me :/
21:02<nyov>"output is not a file, exiting" maybe we should try again with an actual file
21:02<nyov>there was no "sane_start: Invalid argument" in there
21:03<retrospectacus>wangqinfeng: hello! We only speak English here.
21:04<scisteffan>how do I try with an actual file?
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21:04<nyov>SANE_DEBUG_EPSON2=255 scanimage -x 2 -y 20 >~/image.tiff 2>error.log
21:05<scisteffan>ok now I see sane_start: Invalid argument appear
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21:06<nyov>btw, do you tried simply using xsane for testing? the backend seems to detect the scanner ok
21:07<dpkg>Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo!
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21:10<scisteffan>weird.. xsane works, but sane doesn't
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21:11<nyov>i believe it might have to do with file types not supported by sane or something
21:11<nyov>but strange nontheless
21:11<nyov>or missing arguemtns
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21:15<javier_>Hey! I having a problem with squid3 and, someone know about this??
21:16<nyov>we won't know about it until you tell us? :p
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21:18<sosaited>I have recently installed Debian 6 (with Cd1, Unetbootin USB) during the update, it downloaded about 1300 packages too. But when I boot, it starts the console. If I type startx, it goes to a blackscreen, which I previously thought was system hanging, but now if I left click, a small blue menu appears with "Debian...quit" and another option. And in the quit menu it says Yes, restart twm"
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21:21<nyov>sosaited: you're running the wrong window manager then
21:22<nyov>sosaited: why not use gdm/kdm/xdm ?
21:22<sosaited>nyov, I wasn't asked about which WM to use anywhere :s. And if I do "apt-get install xserver-xorg" (I was doing that previously). It wouldn't download files from Internet but required the CD. how can I fix it?
21:23<nyov>sosaited: well if you get twm and are not looking for twm, i'd say it's the "wrong" one, no?
21:23<sosaited>nyov, I would love to use them, if I was asked anywhere during the install to :). I have been using Ubuntu for 2 years, and have also tried Kubuntu and openSUSE. so I can install whatever is recommended more in squeeze
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21:24<sosaited>nyov, Yeah definitely, but how can I get KDE or Gnome then :s
21:24<nyov>sosaited: I don't get you, what window manager would you like? or do you want gnome or kde?
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21:25<nyov>oh ok, let's fix your sources list then
21:25<sosaited>nyov, I would like Gnome or KDE. But there wasn't any option during installation which asked me which Window manager to install
21:25<quant>sosaited, Gnome and KDE are not window managers
21:25<nyov>do you have a /etc/apt/sources.list file? or sources.list.d dir?
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21:26<sosaited>quant, Oh sorry, yeah nautilus and dolphin etc are.
21:26<retrospectacus>they are Desktop Environments, they come with window managers tho
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21:26<sosaited>nyov, I would have to reboot into it again to check.
21:26<nyov>sosaited: if you installed some 1300 packages, it's probably insstalled
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21:28<nyov>sosaited: ok, well you could try starting gdm, /etc/init.gdm[3] start and not run startx. that should get gnome started if it works
21:28<nyov>where gdm/gdm3 depends on what's there
21:28<quant>sosaited, regard Gnome and KDE as something above window managers, using them to do, well, window managing, but they themselves provide your desktop environment
21:28<sosaited>nyov, [3] is necessary here?
21:29<sosaited>nyov, Oh ok
21:29<nyov>sosaited: no it's either gdm or gdm3, maybe try xdm or kdm if it's there
21:29<sosaited>quant, Yeah I knew that, but still half asleep atm :s
21:29<sosaited>nyov, Ok. And then to make it run normally during boot?
21:30<nyov>sosaited: actually it should run on boot, so that would indicate they are missing or you boot into the wrong runlevel
21:31<sosaited>nyov, What boot options, if any, would indicate runlevel?
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21:32<sosaited>nyov, And just in case I need to install gnome, what are the packages for that. And where would I find the sources file in Debain?
21:33<nyov>sosaited: for starters `aptitude install gnome` should get you the whole suit
21:33<nyov>and the default runlevel on boot is in /etc/inittab
21:34<nyov>though, on debian '2' seems to start X just fine
21:35<sosaited>Ok. Thanks. I'll try running gdm first and see where it gets me.
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22:14<phaeton>hi guis.
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22:19<qchn>Ohai phaeton.
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22:21<flaccid>hey guys, i found but it is said to be obsolete. where is the current doc for dns server/bind ?
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22:23<phaeton>qchn: what's shakin?
22:24<nyov>flaccid: i can;t check the link right now, what are you looking for?
22:25<flaccid>official doc on setting up dns server i.e. bind
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22:30<nyov>flaccid: I would imagine there is something on TLDP aboutbind, or go look on zytrax
22:30<nyov>.com that is, I believe
22:30<flaccid>i'm trying to conform to debian, the bind stuff i know and there is the doc for it
22:31<flaccid>e.g. you put zones in named.conf.local, but where to keep them?
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22:32<nyov>well that's up to you. I have a zones folder with subfolders master, slave, ptr and zonefiles in them
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22:33<flaccid>yeah like /etc/bind/master etc.
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22:34<nyov>well I use nsd, so it's /etc/nsd3/zones/master/
22:35<nyov>might also depend on your 'front-end' software, if you use something to manage them
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22:36<flaccid>i see
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22:39<nyov>ah I see the wiki entry refers to something like /var/cache/bind/ -- so maybe that's the "right" folder to go for
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22:44<flaccid>yep just noticed that
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22:45<L0l>hey there
22:45<L0l>any help how to add the microsoft fonts so i can browse the same fonts as in windows in iceweasel ( using debian squeeze , with non free sources )
22:46<nyov>flaccid: well tthat wiki didn't exist when I started with dns ;) also nsd doesn't provide that folder in /var/cache, I truly believe it's up to you
22:47<L0l>any help how to add the microsoft fonts so i can browse the same fonts as in windows in iceweasel ( using debian squeeze , with non free sources )
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22:48<flaccid>thanks y0
22:48<nyov>L0l: try installing msttcorefonts
22:48<nyov>flaccid: /etc is ok, since it's config files, /var/cache is maybe better if the files get written back by bind (from a policy perspective)
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22:49<L0l>okay 1 sec
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22:57<L0l>nyov okay i have the msttcorefonts
22:57<L0l>how do imake my browser open the same a windows
22:57<L0l>which one i select in the iceweasel preferences
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23:01<L0l>still there bro =)
23:01<nyov>L0l: if a website requests these fonts, the browser will use them
23:01<L0l>thank u :)
23:01<ml|>flaccid: there is also unbound for dns
23:02<nyov>though unbound is a cache and resolver, not a server
23:02<ml|>unbound is not a resolver
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23:03<rjsalts>ml|: howso?
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23:04<nyov>well it can do stub zones
23:04<nyov>first line
23:06<ml|>hmm, I just saw this; but I know that it uses the root nameservers
23:06<nyov>the root nameservers use NSD
23:06<nyov>or bind
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23:07<rjsalts>ml|: unbind traverses the paths of delegation from the root servers to the dns server hosting the domain asked for
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23:08<rjsalts>ml|: hence, it's a resolving cache
23:08<ml|>sorry I got it mixed up with dns forwarder
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23:08<rjsalts>ml|: it can act as a forwarder too
23:08<nyov>depends on what you want, bind can also be used for that
23:09<nyov>bind is not very strict there
23:09<rjsalts>unbound is a bit faster if you want to use it as a validating resolver, but otherwise I'd say they're much the same
23:10<ml|>rjsalts: yes, why I suggested unbound, just got my terms mixed up
23:11<nyov>is bind working as good as unbound with DNSSEC though?
23:11<rjsalts>bind works well with dnssec
23:11<rjsalts>it's just uses a bit more cpu power and/or memory
23:11<ml|>unbound with DNSSEC works great here
23:12<rjsalts>than unbound that is
23:12<rjsalts>I use unbound for my resolver and bind for authoritative
23:12<nyov>i prefer using unbound and nsd, for their strictness
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23:13<rjsalts>I evaluated nsd, but it doesn't quite have the features that bind has, some of which I wanted
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23:13<nyov>for example with nsd I need two instances for split horizon, bind can do with one instance, but possible leakage of the internal zones
23:14<flaccid>meh can't fix this error, named[6528]: managed-keys-zone ./IN: loading from master file managed-keys.bind failed: file not found
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23:14<rjsalts>nyov: yeah, I'm using views in bind
23:15<flaccid>i created /etc/bind/managed-keys.bind but that doesn't do the trick
23:15<rjsalts>nyov: I haven't ever seen it leak unless you have your acls wrong though
23:15<rjsalts>flaccid: does the bind user have access to it?
23:16<nyov>rjsalts: yeah it's probably most a configuration problem, but with bind's security history I just wasn't comfortable
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23:16<flaccid>rjsalts: yes
23:16<rjsalts>flaccid: and no chroot?
23:16<flaccid>well default, so i don't think so
23:17<flaccid>where is the 'bind working directory' ?
23:17<rjsalts>flaccid: default is /var/lib/bind
23:17<flaccid>ah actually /var/cache/bind
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23:18<flaccid>ok all good now thanks
23:18<rjsalts>I have the managed-keys in /etc/bind9/bind.keys
23:19<rjsalts>/etc/bind even
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23:27*phaeton sighs at efnet
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23:28<bikcmp>lol efnet, phaeton
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23:37<phaeton>bikcmp: i got banned from efnet in 1998. I just figured i'd check it out again.
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23:38<bikcmp>phaeton: 1998
23:38<bikcmp>phaeton: it turned into a script kiddie net
23:39<bikcmp>they need at least umode +x
23:40<bikcmp>i went on there
23:40<phaeton>gheyness for sure
23:40<bikcmp>used the nick "lol"
23:40<bikcmp>got packeted
23:40<bikcmp>i guess someone wanted the nick!@
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23:42<phaeton>man how things have changed since 1998
23:42<bikcmp><3 1990
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23:44<phaeton>bikcmp: i presume you were born in 1990?
23:44<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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23:45<bikcmp>phaeton: #moocows or smth
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