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00:46<connor_>help please, i keep getting kicked out after I login to putty. My log file states: pam_unix(login:session): session closed for user theshack
00:46<connor_>why is PAM kicking me out?
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00:50<nyov>connor_: were you logged in?
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00:55<connor_>yes i log in and my password authenticates then i get booted out
00:56<connor_>im running a chroot and it seems many people online have had similiar issues but i can't find a solution
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00:58<nyov>so you had a shell, and got booted afterwards?
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00:59<connor_>i have made sure my ip isn't banned in denyhosts
00:59<nyov>then you wouldn't even get a shell
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01:00<nyov>if you really had a shell, then I don't know why pam could kick you out, except for some resource limit maybe
01:02<nyov>are there any other lines in the logfile relating to you getting booted?
01:02<nyov>another possibility, if you can login but get no shell, would be that only sftp is allowed
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01:08<nyov>wait, you said you had a chroot... that reminds me
01:08<nyov>make sure you're home-dir is owned by the user and not writable by someone else
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01:10<connor_>ive chrooted to /home/jail
01:10<connor_>jail is owned by root
01:11<nyov>and are you ssh-ing in as root?
01:12<connor_>no. hmm i will try changing permissions
01:12<nyov>chown jail to your user
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01:14<nyov>or put another sub-dir in
01:15<connor_>i think i must use a sub directory because it wouldn't be a jail otherwise would it?
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01:15<nyov>not sure
01:16<nyov>then do that and change the users home dir accordingly
01:16<mu574n9>I have a microsoft lx-3000 headset and I need guidance to use it with Debian Stable. The head set is plugged in and shows up in cat /proc/asound/cards as follows
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01:21<nyov>mu574n9: using gnome/kde ? pulseaudio?
01:21<mu574n9>I am using gnome.
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01:22<nyov>can you see the device in alsamixer?
01:23<nyov>f6 to choose the card, it should be in that list
01:25<mu574n9>I have chosen f6 and I choose the card as 'Card: Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000'
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01:27<nyov>mu574n9: ok, do you see any [MM] lines, for mute in there? if they're all 00 and the sliders are up, everything should be ok
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01:28<connor_>that didnt work
01:28<connor_>still getting kicked
01:28<connor_>sftp works fine though
01:28<nyov>connor_: you use putty as the client, right?
01:28<connor_>and i know openssh is working because i have another account that isn'[t rooted and ssh works fine
01:29<nyov>hm, do you need ssh, or can you kill it on the server?
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01:29<connor_>i dont understand
01:29<nyov>because I would suggest running it in debug mode to get the real error
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01:30<mu574n9>The sliders are set to 45 for speaker and 0 for mic.
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01:31<nyov>connor_: the reason will be something with wrong directory permissions, but the exact message might be helpfull
01:31<mu574n9>The MM lines are 0
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01:34<connor_>i am not sure i know how to run in debug mode
01:34<connor_>but now just before my previous error i am getting this: Connection closed by
01:34<connor_>so could putty be closing the connection?
01:35<nyov>mu574n9: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav -- should get you some output
01:36<nyov>connor_: it might, if it doesn't get a shell. but the problem stays the same
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01:37<nyov>connor_: but do you need SSH? or do you have a local terminal on that machine?
01:37<mu574n9>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav does give me a noice output.
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01:37<nyov>mu574n9: on the headphones?
01:37<mu574n9>No on the speakers.
01:38<nyov>haha ok
01:38<connor_>nevermind that was unrelated. Just before putty closes it says Unknown id
01:38<connor_>im going to investigate that
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01:39<nyov>mu574n9: well, does the device show up in your gnome volume settings?
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01:42<mu574n9>Yes, the gnome volume settings has and HDA Intel (Alsa Mixer) and Microsoft Lifechat LX-3000 (Alsamixer).
01:43<mu574n9>(Alsa Mixer)*
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01:45<nyov>mu574n9: try: pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav noise
01:45<nyov>mu574n9: then, pactl play-sample noise
01:45<nyov>does that play on the speakers?
01:45<darius_w>hi, Xorg takes 100% cpu when i scroll text (konversation,iceweasel,opernOffice,etc.) in maximized window... also lags window draging.. lspci/xorg.0.log:
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01:46<mu574n9>root@targus:~# pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav noise
01:46<mu574n9>-su: pactl: command not found
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01:47<nyov>hm, you might want to install pulseaudio-utils
01:47<mu574n9>nyov: I am installing pulseaudio-utils
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01:47<nyov>or just test your headset in some program now, I think it should work
01:47<mu574n9>root@targus:~# pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav noise
01:47<mu574n9>Connection failure: Connection refused
01:48<nyov>do it as your user
01:48<nyov>not roo
01:48<jm_>why not use speaker-test?
01:48<mu574n9>mustang@targus:~$ pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav noise
01:48<nyov>jm_: heh because i didn't know that
01:48<mu574n9>Connection failure: Connection refused
01:49<nyov>mu574n9: right, run speaker-test
01:49<karpagam>after installing new debian version on my desktop internet connection is not working
01:49<karpagam>help plz
01:49<nyov>jm_: if you want to help, no bad feelings here :)
01:50<jm_>nyov: I missed the start but I'll try to help if I can
01:50<mu574n9>I still hear audio through the speakers.
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01:51<jm_>karpagam: what kind of connection is it?
01:51<nyov>mu574n9: ps aux | grep pulse
01:52<nyov>mu574n9: should give you a line running pulseaudio?
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01:53<mu574n9>mustang@targus:~$ ps aux | grep pulse
01:53<mu574n9>mustang 13362 0.0 0.0 7544 860 pts/8 S+ 11:23 0:00 grep pulse
01:54<nyov>huh, so you're running on alsa alone
01:54<nyov>run this as the user, pulseaudio &
01:55<rjsalts>nyov: ick, pulse audio
01:55<nyov>rjsalts: ah, it's not that bad anymore I think
01:56<nyov>only the hijacking of alsa's mixer-settings is stupid in my opinion
01:56<nyov>mu574n9: then try pactl again: pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav noise
01:56<nyov>should work now
01:57<mu574n9>nyov: do you want me to run pulseaudio & as root ?
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01:58<mu574n9>I do not have the command pulseaudio
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01:59<nyov>huh, I thought you were running on pulse, sorry for the presumptiousness
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02:01<nyov>would you install it, or prefer alsa only?
02:01<mu574n9>Since I have alsa by default, let us try if alsa works.
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02:02<nyov>I can't figure out what aplay's -D command takes as an argument though :(
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02:03<nyov>aplay -L should list your cards
02:04<jm_>yes, it takes PCM names which you get with -L
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02:05<nyov>jm_: like "-Dfront:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0" ?
02:05<nyov>ok I get resource busy, looks good
02:06<jm_>nyov: yes, something like that I believe
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02:06<nyov>mu574n9: then try aplay -Dfront:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
02:06<nyov>with your device string, obviously
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02:07<mu574n9>root@targus:~# lspci | grep Audio
02:07<mu574n9>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
02:08<mu574n9>What device string should I provide ?
02:08<nyov>choose your headset from the output of aplay -L
02:08<ferni>cat /proc/asound/cards
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02:12<nyov>mu574n9: it should read something like "front:CARD=NVidia,DEV=1"
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02:15<nyov>aplay -D front:CARD=default,DEV=0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
02:15<nyov>mu574n9: try that
02:15<ferni>mu574n9: you want the output to Intel card or the usb ms lifechat lx-30000 ?
02:16<mu574n9>usb ms lifechat lx-3000
02:16<nyov>hm, is that a case of missing alsa drivers?
02:16<mu574n9>nyov: I get the channel count non available message.
02:17<jm_>another way to solve this problem is to have usb-audio driver use index 1 and hda intel index 2
02:17<jm_>that's what I've done here
02:17<ferni>mu574n9: put this to your ~/.asoundrc and try aplay file.wav
02:18<ferni>jm_: yeah, thats a permanent solution. if you want to change cards you have to write a script that changes the default output in .asoundrc
02:19<ferni>thats what pulseaudio has a gui..
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02:22<mu574n9>ferni: What are the permissions to be given for the .asoundrc file ?
02:22<mu574n9>ferni: mustang@targus:~$ ls -l .asoundrc
02:22<mu574n9>-rw-r--r--. 1 mustang mustang 0 May 31 11:51 .asoundrc
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02:23<ferni>should work, just try to play something by your regular "mustang" user, aplay /file.wav
02:24<connor_>i fixed my issue, simple yet complicated, but now i can create chrooted with sftp AND SSH in a much more elegant and secure fashion
02:25<connor_>chrooted users*
02:26<mu574n9>mustang@targus:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
02:26<mu574n9>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
02:26<mu574n9>aplay: set_params:1059: Channels count non available
02:26<nyov>connor_: nice
02:27<nyov>mu574n9: but is there sound?
02:27<mu574n9>I hope the syntax is correct
02:28<nyov>yes it is
02:28<mu574n9>without the .asoundrc, I get sound in the speakers but with the .asoundrc, I get the above error.
02:29<nyov>because the headset should now be the default card
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02:32<nyov>ok, google says you need to define the number of channels
02:33<nevyn>hrm rewriting asoundrc with scripts if only there were some sort of policy based audio routing thingy that could send app A to a different soundcard to app B
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02:33<nyov>mu574n9: try playing a stereo file if you got one
02:35<mu574n9>yes the headset works.
02:36<mu574n9>I am playing youtube and the headset works.
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02:37<mu574n9>nyov,nevyn,jm_ :Thanks :)
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02:38<nyov>mu574n9: sweet
02:38<nyov>mu574n9: maybe this helps fixing the config:
02:38<mu574n9>ferni: Thanks.
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02:38<nyov>or try with pulseaudio on top ;)
02:39<karpagam>jm: there was power shut down. so i couldn't reply.
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02:41*nevyn got thanked for sarcasm that's knew...
02:41<nevyn>new even ;)
02:41<jm_>karpagam: well fell free to ask again whenever you want
02:42<karpagam>jm_: it is wired connection with wifi modem. internet connection is fine with laptop
02:43<jm_>karpagam: did you compare the basics with both?
02:44<karpagam>jm_: yes, nothing is wrong. ifconfig shows only lo whreas ifconfig -a shows lo, eth0,pan0
02:45<karpagam>nic is recognised but it is not up
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02:47<jm_>karpagam: what should configure it?
02:48<mu574n9>nyov: Thanks for the URL.
02:48<nyov>darius_w: are you running compiz or something?
02:48<nyov>mu574n9: no problem, just don't copy-paste it :P
02:49<mu574n9>nyov: ok
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02:49<darius_w>nyov: i think no, its fresh install squeeze
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02:49<karpagam>jm_:i can't get u
02:49<jm_>karpagam: is it configured via interfaces file? network manager? ...
02:50<karpagam>jm_: ya
02:50<nyov>darius_w: can you pastebin the complete xorg.0.log?
02:50<jm_>karpagam: which question did you answer?
02:51<karpagam>jm_: it is configured via network manager
02:51<jm_>karpagam: ok I can't help with that, sorry
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02:51<karpagam>jm_: anyway, thanx
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02:54<mu574n9>my headset does not work with ekiga.
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02:57<kingsley>Is there anything that'll go through every other package installed on a computer, re-download it, extract every binary or script from the re-downloaded package, and for each binary or script, compare it to the installed version to check for malicious code?
02:59<mu574n9>jm_,nyov: I am not able to use ekiga with the headset.
03:00<nyov>mu574n9: why?
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03:01<nyov>darius_w: try adding this in your xorg.conf: Option "WrappedFB" "true"
03:01<nyov>darius_w: see
03:01<jm_>mu574n9: check its configuration, how do you specify which sound device to use with it
03:01<jm_>kingsley: no, but debsums might help
03:02<darius_w>i dont have any xorg.conf
03:03<mu574n9>I have set Microsoft Live chat as the ringing, output and input device.
03:03<mu574n9>Do you want me to change that to alsa ?
03:03<th>to create a new xorg.conf:
03:04<jm_>try changing to alsa yes
03:05<nyov>darius_w: amd64 or 32bit?
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03:05<darius_w>nyov: amd64
03:05<nyov>darius_w: you could try installing the fixed version from wheezy:
03:06<nyov>which should remove the need for that xorg.conf line
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03:08<darius_w>line in the config is ok ;) just xorg conf is so complicated for me :)
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03:08<darius_w>nyov: thank you
03:08<mu574n9>jm_: I have HDA Intel (PTLIB/ALSA), HDA Intel 1 (,5,8,9,10]
03:08<mu574n9>[#debian] jm_: I have HDA Intel (PTLIB/ALSA), HDA Intel 1 (
03:09<nyov>darius_w: now I don't know if that already breaks any dependencies on squeeze, so it might not work
03:09<mu574n9>PTLIB/ALSA),HDA Intel 2 (PTLIB/ALSA)) and Microsoft Lifechat LX 3000 (PTBLIB/ALSA).
03:10<jm_>is that all it offers?
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03:11<mu574n9>jm_: It works now.
03:11<nyov>darius_w: if you downloaded the deb file, try installing it with dpkg -i <package.deb>
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03:11<mu574n9>I had to restart it.
03:12<darius_w>nyov: i'll try xorg.conf first
03:12<nyov>mu574n9: also Alsa alone only allows one stream per device
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03:12<nyov>(i hope that's the correct wording)
03:12<nyov>so the device might be blocked by something else
03:13<jm_>that's only true if apps use hw devices directly, but otherwise it supports mixing by default
03:13<nyov>jm_: how do I make that work? 'virtual' pcm's in asoundrc?
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03:14<jm_>nyov: it is the default as long as apps use 'default' device, so in most cases you don't need to do anything
03:14<nyov>darius_w: ok do that, but remember it's only a workaround
03:14<nyov>jm_: ok
03:16<mu574n9>ferni: What does you .asoundrc file do basically ?
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03:17<mu574n9>That is the only file I have added.
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03:25<ferni>mu574n9: should just select the default output device, don't have the computer here where its setup with .asoundrc but see
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03:34<linux-fox>hi, all
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03:55<jasonsmr>hello again everbody
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04:44<slush>how do I search for pci id's again?
04:45<babilen>slush: "lspci -n" + or "lspci -nn" + "/msg judd pciid PCIID"
04:46<slush>ah right, thx babilen
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05:12<madadam1>Hi, which is the name of the package for system monitor gui?
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05:12<SynrG>the one that comes by default with gnome?
05:13<madadam1>SynrG, yes, that there isn't in my damned system
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05:15<SynrG>gnome-system-monitor, i think
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05:19<madadam1>SynrG, thank'
05:20<SynrG>it's a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment, so if you removed that (or only installed gnome-core to begin with) you would be missing it
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05:22<madadam1>SynrG, It just wasn't in my menù, I solved by alacarte
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05:23<SynrG>oh, i see
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05:28<madadam1>SynrG, I'm a an idiot :D
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05:29<SynrG>ah well. we all have our moments. :)
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06:02<Moi>Salut !
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06:03<Guest2929>y'a du monde apparement !
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06:05<andrey>русские есть? =)
06:07<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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06:17<andrey>how can I upgrade dependence apt?
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06:28<Machinarium>hi guys have some question for you. 1. in notificationa rea i don`t have network monitor
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06:29<Machinarium>also how to add suspend and hibernate
06:29<babilen>Machinarium: Install network-manager and run "nm-applet"
06:30<babilen>!tell Machinarium -about network manager
06:30<babilen>!tell Machinarium -about suspend
06:30<babilen>Machinarium: You also want to make sure that you are a member of the "plugdev" group
06:31<Machinarium>thanks.i`ll check that
06:31<babilen>Machinarium: If you are using Gnome you probably want to install the "gnome-power-manager" package in order to be able to shutdown from the System meny
06:32<Machinarium>i have installed network-manager and from terminal "nm-applet" says unknown command
06:34<Machinarium>and i`m member of :plugdev"
06:34<Machinarium>and i`m member of "plugdev"
06:34<nevyn>are you a member of netdev?
06:35<Machinarium>now yes :D
06:35<nevyn>did you logoff and on again?
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06:35<Machinarium>now lets try
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06:36<nevyn>groups are only parsed at login time
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06:36<alex__>it`s me machinarium
06:37<alex__>i`m pressing multimedia key "suspend" and nothing happents
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06:37<babilen>alex__: You want network-manager-gnome
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06:40<alex__>it`s ok ^_^
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06:41<alex__>and i want to suspend this PC but it hasen`t this command
06:41<alex__>how to add?
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06:43<Waylon> hello all. just installed zebrasrv-2.0 from debian repo... a record causes a glibc error... possibly ... how do i tell apt-get to get and install versions of zebrasrv that exist on a repo, and are older, without having to specify each and every old file to install?
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06:43<Waylon>or would the only answer be, commenting out all repos except for the one im targetting?
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07:11<jaleks>is there a possibility to tell reportbug to use variables in the configured mail address which is used? For example a .reportbugrc entry like "email"?
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07:49<greywalk>hello. i have a problem - i have 2 ntfs partitions and some files on those partitions. i cannot view the files when on linux (squeeze) (but they are there, i can see then when on windows). what do i do to make them visible?
07:50<jm_>greywalk: even as root?
07:51<greywalk>jm_: yes, even as root
07:51<jm_>greywalk: what happens when you try to mount it?
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07:52<greywalk>jm_: it is successfully mounted
07:52<greywalk>i can some files on those partions
07:52<greywalk>i can see some files*
07:52<greywalk>but some remain invisible
07:53<jm_>greywalk: did you look at properties of those files in windows to find the difference?
07:53<greywalk>those that are invisible were created when i was running another linux. they were created from linux, but written to ntfs partitions
07:53<smb>greywalk: Are you using ntfs3g or the older one?
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07:54<jm_>and you're using kernel ntfs driver now?
07:54<greywalk>smb: i guess it's ntfs3g
07:54<greywalk>jm_: i am not sure about that. how do i check it?
07:56<jm_>greywalk: check dmesg output after it's mounted, it should show some hints
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07:56<greywalk>jm_: i am really sorry to bother. but im new to linux. and i dont know how to view the output you're saying about
07:57<jm_>greywalk: dmesg > /tmp/blabla; then read /tmp/blabla with a tool of your choice (editor, pager, ...)
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08:00<BitJunkie>if I want to make my own Debian distro from scratch, is there any good tutorial to start?
08:00<BitJunkie>I don't mean compiling, but building the pieces (debs) together
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08:01<nevyn>BitJunkie: for redistribution?
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08:02<nevyn>jm_: if he's really new tool of your choice is much less useful than a concrete working suggestion (less)
08:02<BitJunkie>nevyn: I don't know if I mean that. I want to build an optimized version, with only the things I need, for private usage
08:02<nevyn>BitJunkie: so just install with no tasks then apt-get the bits you want
08:02<nevyn>BitJunkie: that's how people use debian
08:02<jm_>nevyn: I disagree - they will know how to use tool of their choice as oppose to less
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08:03<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. #debian-custom on
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08:03<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
08:03<babilen>BitJunkie: Look into Debian blends ^^^ as I have the impression that it is exactly the thing you are after.
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08:04<babilen>nevyn: Seriously?
08:04<BitJunkie>I don't get it
08:05<BitJunkie>I will look to an other distro ;)
08:05<BitJunkie>ArchLinux maybe
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08:07<nevyn>babilen: what?
08:08<babilen>BitJunkie: It would help if you could further describe your needs and the things you are trying to achieve with your very own version of Debian. I suggested to look into Debian pure blends, but it might also be that you are merely trying to create a custom cd (/msg dpkg custom cd) that differs from the ones that are already available.
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08:09<jm_>greywalk: that looks like kernel version, try using ntfs-3g one
08:10<greywalk>jm_: -- another partition files from which are visible
08:11<babilen>nevyn: PM OK?
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08:11<nevyn>babilen: about the meta sure.
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08:15<nevyn>babilen: I don't know how much of a distro he really wants to make.
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08:17<nevyn>babilen: it could be as simple as install with no tasks selected then apt-get as needed.
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08:20<greywalk>jm_: how do i use ntfs-3g and disable the kernel version?
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08:21<jm_>greywalk: specify the right fs type when mounting (ntfs-3g)
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08:24<greywalk>jm_: sorry, is there any gui for that or smth? i dont know how to specify the right fs type
08:24<jm_>greywalk: how do you mount it?
08:24<nevyn>using device manager or similar desktop foo?
08:25<greywalk>jm_: i just click on the drive icon in dolphin and it mounts it as i understand
08:25<thewanderer1>guys, any idea how to change the password for a user that's not in /etc/passwd? I want him to authenticate via shadow.
08:26<jm_>greywalk: that's where I am clueless, never used it, but perhaps check its help or properties of the drive in question
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08:28<thewanderer1>mount.ntfs-3g I suppose
08:28<greywalk>jm_: and i even installed ntfs-config tool. and set to enable read-write support on those drives. and nothing. still not automounted. i still have to manually click on the drives to mount (?) them // ntfs config used to work on other distros. but on squeeze it still uses its default settings as i understand.... anyway thank you for your help
08:28<BitJunkie>is there any way to use NLA in linux?
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08:29<jm_>greywalk: yeah that's how I manage things myself - by hand or via fstab, can't really help with the GUI tools
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08:29<BitJunkie>Network Level Authitencation - M$ shizzle
08:29<BitJunkie>I need to have that for my work
08:29<hammer>Hi, does anyone I have issues with the resume from suspend on my laptop anyone can help?
08:29<BitJunkie>but I don't want to install Windows for just RDP
08:29<thewanderer1>greywalk: presumably, if you put the right entry in fstab, KDE will use the fstab entry instead of making options up
08:30<jm_>greywalk: I googled for dolphin mount options and found one feller asking the same question - how to mount it on start instead of having to click :)
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08:31<greywalk>thewanderer1: yeah , i guess i'll try to look into fstab. or find some working config ) i wish i had back-uped my fstab conf. thank you for the idea.
08:32<danlii>Does anyone know why the package evolution-mapi in the unstable repo is dependent of the package evolution in the stable repo?
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08:32<greywalk>jm_: ok, thank you, i'll google too
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08:45<babilen>danlii: That is not the case. It depends on "evolution (<< 2.31)" and the version in squeeze is 2.30.3-5
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08:49<jm_>heh the p.d.o page also shows evolution (>= 2.30) [not hppa]
08:49<danlii>babilen: Yes, 2.30.3-5 is << 2.31.
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08:52<babilen>danlii: *sigh* you are, of course, correct.
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09:12<it_is_me>is it possible to dual-boot emdebian and cyanogenmod (which I already got on my phone)?
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09:35<meglaw_>just downloaded debian-testing-powerpc-netinst.iso, burned and put into my g4... but nothing seems to happen...
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09:38<AlexF>hi guys! i want to add suspend.i have installed gnome power meneger but it does`nt work.any other way?
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09:45<ml|>meglaw_: best to use a stable install iso and then move to testing/wheezy if that is what you want to do
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09:46<meglaw_>dosent matter to me, i cant even figure out how to make it boot from cd
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09:47<ml|>also need to hit the alt while it is booting iirc
09:47<ml|>then you should see an option to boot from the cd or OS
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09:49<ml|>correction, not just hit the alt key; hold down until you see the option to boot from cd
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09:51<ml|>meglaw_: if the alt key does not work try the option key, if not hold down c key
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09:54<meglaw_>yeah i got s far as 3 icons one with a penguin showed up and then nothinng exept enter worked, that made the icons dissapere
09:55<meglaw_>mouse ould only go up and down
09:55<meglaw_>and now its doing... nothing
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10:01<betinho>hi people, how to check if my debian uses dependency based boot sequence or legacy boot ordering mode? tks!
10:03<gsimmons>betinho: Does /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering exist?
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10:05<betinho>gsimmons, yes!
10:05<betinho>but it is empty
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10:08<gsimmons>betinho: Your system is still using legacy ordering. Try "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc" to attempt the migration again.
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10:09<betinho>gsimmons, ok thanks ..
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10:28<fnmueller>!tell fnmueller about flash
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10:31<kop>!tell fnmueller about selftell
10:31<fnmueller>yeah yeah yeah
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11:09<nor>hhi all
11:09<nor>need help plz
11:09<nor>how do i connect to #ubuntu chat? xD
11:10<jww>hi nor.
11:10<jww>type /join #ubuntu
11:10<sney>it's not on this server
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11:11<nor>omg ty.. i tryed whit connect
11:11<sney>does smuxi support irc: links? give it a shot. irc://
11:11<nor>yea i figured out ,freenode or something
11:11<nor>thanks allot
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11:12<meebey>sney: no it doesnt, its in my todo for next release though :)
11:12<sney>right click menu, with the options "connect in this tab" and "connect in new tab" ?
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11:19<chinnappan>how to view Ms-visio file in linux ubuntu
11:20<sney>this is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu
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11:28<sney>!ubuntuirc daemonkeeper
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11:28<sney>dpkg: ubuntuirc daemonkeeper
11:28<dpkg>sney: are you smoking crack?
11:28<daemonkeeper>Try tell
11:29<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell sney about ubuntuirc
11:29<sney>yeah, that works in query
11:30<daemonkeeper>Needs some more magic for the action then, I guess themill should know
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11:40<gob_bluth>when configuring BIND to be a nameserver, should i be adding the zones into named.conf or named.conf.local ?
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11:41<daemonkeeper>local is for the actual server configuration, therefore you want to do it in named.conf
11:41<ansgar>gob_bluth: I believe it's documented right there.
11:42<ansgar>daemonkeeper: No.
11:42<gob_bluth>said i should be editing .local, so i was kinda unclear
11:42<daemonkeeper>Oh, sorry then. I am using PowerDNS actually ;)
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12:06<ml|>daemonkeeper: does powerdns support dnssec?
12:07<jhutchins_lt>You want to make changes specific to your network to .local
12:07*ml| unbound user ;)
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12:09<ml|> :)
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12:10<jerojasro>hi all. is there any command line app that receives a file of any kind, looks for the proper application to open it, and opens it?
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12:25<marshan>is it really true that the cpu notifications functions fire without disabling preemption?? looking through the sources now...
12:26<marshan>the hooks registered via register_cpu_notifier() i mean
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12:26<marshan>that's bad.. :/
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12:30<smb>jerojasro: open
12:30<tjader>jerojasro: xdg-open
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12:32<jerojasro>tjader: I've seen xdg-open, but I haven't found how to change which are my default apps. where is that defined (which file)?
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12:33<jerojasro>tjader: I've tried /usr/share/applications/defaults.list, but that doesn't exist here
12:33<jerojasro>I have neither kde, gnome or xfce installed
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12:34<marshan>guess i am in the wrong channel, hmm
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12:35<engywucz>when will debian support the new improved linux kernel?
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12:35<jerojasro>smb: man open talks about a program to start programs in new vts...
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12:35<terion23>whats a vts?
12:36<terion23>U can allways compile ure own kernel.
12:36<Black_Prince>New? Yes ... Improved? Hm ... No
12:36<Black_Prince>I tried it last night ... Same results as with 2.6.39
12:37<jerojasro>terion23: virtual terminal
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12:37<terion23>ty jero
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12:38<terion23>This new os calle pubes looks really promissing.
12:38<terion23>Uhm cubes.
12:38<terion23>Wth lol
12:38*terion23 the typo master
12:38<thewanderer1>Fedora only, though :P
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12:39*Black_Prince crowns terion23 as typo king
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12:39<jerojasro>smb: tjader: looks like what I want is run-mailcap; that's what xdg-open is using under the hood here. thank you both
12:40<engywucz>2.6.38 should suffice for awhile, methinks
12:40<greywalk>how do i remove an app from start up? i have apt-notifications (notifier or smth like that) in start up
12:40<terion23>Look in .etc/init.d
12:40<engywucz>unfortunately testing upgraded recently, so it's not probable fr debian being the first "3.0"-distribution :D
12:41<Black_Prince>In Gnome, System->Preferences->Startup Applications
12:41<engywucz>ah well, let others bleed at the bleeding edge, I want my systems stable
12:42<tjader>jerojasro: I think xdg-mime is the tool to configure that
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12:43<terion23>i bleed happily.
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12:43<jerojasro>tjader: from what I've seen, it wants me to write an xml file only to tell it that I like xpdf for my pdf files. run-mailcap FTW :)
12:43<terion23>Never noticed a problem in my installation i couldnt solve.
12:43<terion23>And believe me when i say im a big noob :)
12:44<tjader>jerojasro: you don't have to make a xml file
12:45<tjader>you only need a .desktop for the application you want to use
12:45<tjader>and most packages include those
12:46<tjader>so xdge-mime default xpdf.desktop application/pdf should solve it for you
12:46<tjader>or whatever is pdf's mimetype
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12:51<bear>Hello. I have some technical issues with an Debian Squeeze install over here, does anyone here have time for it?
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12:52<daemonkeeper>Just explain your problem
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12:52<alvin_>hello there,, i can`t play mp3 files it says >> Playing error : Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in. at /usr/bin/../share/gmusicbrowser/ line 135.
12:52<terion23>were all reading mate just explain the problem
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12:53<exia>Hello, can anyone help me... i'm new to debian and i have no idea how to install my integrated graphics drivers, I've used ubuntu but their last release isnt compatible with my graphics, so i changed to debian... my graphics is a Intel Extreme Graphics 2
12:53<bear>OK. I've made a clean install of Debian Squeeze today on my PC. The installer was a success! However, my screen just get all black while it boots up the Linux system and I cannot see any text.
12:53<terion23>so nividea chipset?
12:53<bear>Graphic card is: Radeon 9800 XT.
12:53<terion23>ow lol
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12:53<alvin_>i'm running a fresh install xubuntu 11.04 i can't play mp3 files in gmusicbrowser it says >> #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next | FAQ:
12:53<alvin_>* Topic for #debian set by themill! at Tue May 10 00:50:44 2011
12:53<alvin_><daemonkeeper> Just explain your problem
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12:53<terion23>just add this to ure /etc/apt/sources.list
12:54<terion23>contrib non-free
12:54<terion23>then install glrx-driver
12:54<terion23>and use 'ati-config --initial' then reboot and ure set.
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12:55<terion23>Beqause ait drivers are not in the normal depositorys
12:55<terion23>apt can find it.
12:55<bear>To terion23: no, I cannot do that, since I cannot access the tty terminals, all is just black. I've just Debian since -99, and it's never been like this. I intend to use the open source RADEON driver.
12:55<terion23>Damn me typos :P
12:56<terion23>U can try putting debian into maintenance mode
12:56<terion23>Then resolve ure problem with a guide or something.
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12:56<bear>I've tried that, it does not work. All is just black screen.
12:56<terion23>But i stronlgly suggest to try fgrlx-driver.
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12:57<terion23>If ure screen is all black issnt ure video card just being dead?
12:57<bear>fglrx driver does not support this graphic card in Debian Squeeze, only in Lenny. I'm gonna upgrade to 2.6.38 by backports once I can see any text on the screen, right now I cannot do anything.
12:57<terion23>try wheezy only to install the driver.
12:57<terion23>dont upgrade the system just install the driver.
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12:58<bear>I'm on Debian Lenny right now on another harddrive, the graphic card works very good, it's the system I'm using right now.
12:58<terion23>This way u get support for your card and the rest of ure system remain stable.
12:58<terion23>Ow mkay
12:58<exia>what about my problem ._. ? anyhelp?
12:58<terion23>exia is did not see any problem with ure name on it.
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12:59<metalfreak>bear did you install a ssh server if so have you tried connecting using ssh?
12:59<exia>paste: "i'm new to debian and i have no idea how to install my integrated graphics drivers, I've used ubuntu but their last release isnt compatible with my graphics, so i changed to debian... my graphics is a Intel"
12:59<exia>extreme graphics 2*
12:59<terion23>i did answer to that exia scroll up and read back ;P
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12:59<bear>No, I only did a standard install in graphical mode.
12:59<exia>really? ._.
13:00<bear>I think Debian Wheezy uses kernel 2.6.38, and my problem here is with the RADEON driver which seems to LOCK UP the screen.
13:00<Black_Prince>bear, try adding nomodeset to grub cmd line for squeeze system
13:00<babilen>exia: You probably want to make sure that xserver-xorg-video-intel and (optionally) libgl1-mesa-dri are installed. You should try starting the X server (/msg dpkg install x) without an /etc/X11/xorg.conf (/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf) ... If the x server does not start we need to see /var/log/Xorg.0.log which you could paste to
13:01<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
13:01<exia>k i'll try that babilen
13:01<babilen>exia: It would also be good to see the output of "lspci --nn|grep -i vga" ... I can't provide extensive support right now, but wanted to mention this regardless of that :)
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13:02<exia>lspci: invalid option -- '-'
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13:03<bear>Okay, I will try KernelModesetting, I'll see what happens with that. :) I did not realize that KMS was introduced as early as 2.6.29, interesting.
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13:03<Black_Prince>KMS is cool feature, but not every card supports it properly, like some radeon cards I've seen on f.d.n
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13:04<ml|>exia: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
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13:05<exia>thanks! 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02)
13:05<exia>is it installed then ?
13:05<Black_Prince>I have same card ... And it works very well ...
13:05<ml|>judd: pciid 8086:2572
13:05<judd>[8086:2572] is '82865G Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'i915' in squeeze. See also
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13:07<exia>but i feel isnt working properly... is there a way to check? i remember something like glgears in ubuntu
13:07<exia>even browsing is slow
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13:08<Black_Prince>exia, with same video card.
13:09<Black_Prince>exia, how fast something works does not depend on graphics card only, but on processor and ram too ...
13:09<exia>weird, it works fast here... idk why the browser goes so slow
13:09<terion23>why do i install intel drivers if its an ATI(AMD) card?
13:09<babilen>exia: Please install libgl1-mesa-dri, restart the X server and paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:10<bear>Thanks for your help!
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13:10<babilen>terion23: Where do you get the idea that it is an ATI card?
13:10<Black_Prince>exia, If it's only browser problem, you can try changing browsers
13:10<babilen>terion23: (if your comment was indeed concerning exia's problems)
13:10<terion23>Ow wait im confused.
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13:11<terion23>It clearly wasnt dont mind my actions today :(
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13:11*Black_Prince O.o
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13:12<Black_Prince>hmm, this might be the problem
13:12<Black_Prince>intel(0): direct rendering: Failed
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13:12<exia>i'm using the defaul debian browser tried ton install firefox but i forgot how to do it since everything in ubuntu was so easy :P
13:13<Black_Prince>exia, firefox is iceweasel in debian
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13:13<terion23-afk>lol i was looking my ass of for it :O
13:13<Black_Prince>exia, have you installed libgl1-mesa-dri as suggested by babilen?
13:13<exia>ya i saw that but the interface is a bit different
13:13<exia>was already installed
13:13<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader.
13:14<terion23-afk>why iceweasel
13:14<terion23-afk>!why iceweasel
13:14<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
13:14<exia>black_prince libgl1-mesa-dri was already installed
13:14<Black_Prince>exia, what is the output of glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
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13:15<exia>direct rendering: Yes
13:16<babilen>Black_Prince: (note: you always want to see the full output as "direct rendering" might be "Yes" but still a software rasterizer is used)
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13:16<babilen>exia: Please paste the complete output of "glxinfo"
13:16<Black_Prince>Well babilen, card he's using does not support hardware rendering ...
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13:17<babilen>*sigh* -- /me goes back to work
13:17<Black_Prince>And even gl version 1.3 is not fully supported.
13:18<exia> ._.
13:18<exia>black_prince you said you have this same card installed right?
13:18<Black_Prince>exia, that's right
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13:18<exia>do you run any 3D games there ?
13:18<Black_Prince>No, not a chance ...
13:18<Black_Prince>Slow as hell
13:19<exia>what about compiz ?
13:19<Black_Prince>No, never got it to start ... Because of software rendering used.
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13:19<fox_glow>My Local time and universal time seem reversed, so my desktop clocks are five hours off.
13:20<exia>uhm... using ubuntu 10 was working even some 3d games
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13:20<Black_Prince>fox_glow, is your clock set to UTC ?
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13:20<exia>well i guess i'll use debian just for work while i get a new computer ._.
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13:21<Black_Prince>I could not use any ubuntu version pass the 10.04 ... It was sooo slow on my hardware
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13:22<exia>i had a nvidia graphics cards at 9, then died for no reason at 10, then i could install somehow my integrated graphics and it was ok
13:23<exia>but at 11 it's impossible to even open a text editor
13:23<Black_Prince>I know how do you feel ...
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13:27<exia>well thanks for all help, i'll try to fix grub because its terrible slow
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13:34<XeonBloomfield>Hello Everyone
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13:35<XeonBloomfield>Is known date of release Debian 6.0.2?
13:35<Black_Prince>Still no ...
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13:36<dpkg>Debian 6.0.1 was released on March 19th, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. Support for installation on additional hardware is introduced. . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. See also <6.0.1a>.
13:37<XeonBloomfield>Debian 6.0.2 is scheduled to release in "late May"
13:37<daemonkeeper>We're still in late may!
13:37<XeonBloomfield>Today is 31st May
13:37<XeonBloomfield>Yeah - I know
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13:37<daemonkeeper>Moreover the time zone wasn't specified ;)
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13:38<Black_Prince>Neither what may ... Maybe one next year ... who knows
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13:39<XeonBloomfield>daemonkeeper: Of course it can appear 1st June at 11:49 UTC Time
13:39<ompaul>XeonBloomfield: do you want the best 6.0.2 a little later than suggested or do you want one that you can complain about?
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13:40<XeonBloomfield>ompaul: I want to burn new CDs with Debian Xfce in amd64 and i386
13:40*ompaul notes the amount of cuts pastes and comments and plums for "complain no matter which"
13:40<ompaul>XeonBloomfield: you have a choice, you can do what you have or you can wait, but I must inform you you must choose.
13:40<sohmestra>If I encrypt a file using: gpg --sign --encrypt foo.txt then how do I verify it without decrypting the file?
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13:41<Black_Prince>I am already running 6.0.2, I think ... I have all proposed updates installed
13:42<sohmestra>or, do I _have_ to use a detached signature if I want to verify without decrypting?
13:42*ompaul autolarts for doing: cat /etc/debian_version and gets current version == wheezy/sid
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13:43<XeonBloomfield>ompaul: I know that I have a choice, but I'm asking question which can help me with answer here, because it's Debian official IRC channel
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13:43<Black_Prince>This isn't official debian irc channel for complains. That one is called Mailing List ...
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13:44<dpkg>methinks siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? ,
13:44<ompaul>XeonBloomfield: ^^ have fun contributing more and more :)
13:45<XeonBloomfield>ompaul: I know C++, C, Bash, PHP, HTML and more... I can help ;)
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13:45<engywucz><XeonBloomfield> Debian 6.0.2 is scheduled to release in "late May" <--- we have may for about 16 hours or so somewhere on the world
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13:45<ompaul>XeonBloomfield: first stop #debian-mentors so you can get 6.0.3 out the door faster
13:45<engywucz>and did *anybody* say which year and/or which calendar?
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13:46<XeonBloomfield>engywucz: I know that... I said that it can appear 1st June at 11:59 UTC Time... At that time it will be 31st May 23:59 in the most placed on the west place...
13:47<ompaul>sqtux: wot?
13:47<engywucz>iin julian calendar today is may 18th ;-)
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13:48<engywucz>and that's why I prefer "It's done when it's done" release cycles :D
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13:49<XeonBloomfield>engywucz: I prefer that way too
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13:50<XeonBloomfield>It's much better when everything works in that way which it should ;0
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13:52<pretendo>m/msg dpkg installbackports
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13:54<XeonBloomfield>"Accepted desktop-base 6.0.2 (source all)"
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13:54<pretendo>whats the tigger called to install new kernel through backports? and does that give you the latest packages
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13:55<sohmestra>using: gpg --verify-files foofile.gpg yields no output, and always has a zero return code, enven when I deliberately modify bits within the file.
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14:27<Jakse>hey - im in doubt wther debian is using the right driver for my graphics card - can anyone help me deterimne that?
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14:35<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Hello
14:35<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Check out "non-free drivers"
14:36<Jakse>uhh... ok... im kinda new in debain - a biiiit more complecated
14:36<Jakse>thanks Xeon
14:36<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: It's official drivers from NVIDIA, Nouveau is a great open alternative for it, but if you want to have more performance use official NVIDIA drivers
14:36<Jakse>i.e. the "non-free"?
14:37<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Official NVIDIA drivers = non-free drivers
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14:37<Jakse>i see :)
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14:38<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: I see that you have got installed Nouveau already
14:38<Jakse>ahh ok
14:38<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Are graphic running properly?
14:38<Jakse>so i should be able to run compiz fusion?
14:39<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Yes, you should
14:39<Jakse>well... how to test? i get small glitches and i cant make compiz work
14:39<Jakse>but i am new... so i might just be messing up
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14:39<XeonBloomfield>can you run "glxgears" in Terminal?
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14:39<Jakse>is there a way to test?
14:40<XeonBloomfield>is it working?
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14:40<Jakse>yes *S* nice gears
14:40<XeonBloomfield>Do you see rotating gears?
14:40<devil>Jakse: you want to move to testing?
14:40<Jakse>yes :)
14:40<XeonBloomfield>devil: He said that he testing his graphic
14:40<devil>kop: please first move to #debian-next :)
14:40<Jakse>devil: sorry? i did'nt understand
14:41<devil>Jakse: got you wrong
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14:41<Jakse>oh ok *S*
14:41<Jakse>am i in the wrong channel?
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14:41<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Can you paste one line with output of "glxgears" in Terminal? i.e. "33830 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6765.990 FPS" ?
14:41<devil>Jakse: no, just ignore me for now
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14:41<Jakse>devil: ok *S*
14:42<Jakse>Xeon: Any line?
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14:42<Jakse>4258 frames in 5.0 seconds = 851.451 FPS
14:42<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Yes
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14:43<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: Uh... It's really not much
14:43<Jakse>well ... could it be my driver?
14:43<craigevil>fast enough for compiz, although using the non-free nvidia drivers would probably give better results
14:43<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: I have "6765.990 FPS" on Radeon HD 5770 using ATI's non-free drivers
14:44<Jakse>ok ...
14:44<XeonBloomfield>Jakse: If you want more - use NVIDIA's non-free driver
14:44<Jakse>hmm... i will try to look into the non-free drivers
14:44<Jakse>i guess that should be a start *S* then ill come back ;)
14:44<Jakse>thanks for helping out!
14:45<XeonBloomfield>Have a nice day
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14:52<retrospectacus>hey I have a question (for once)
14:53<drewdavis>Don't ask to ask, just ask. ;)
14:54<craigevil>as opposed to dont ask dont tell :)
14:54<retrospectacus>when I put a SD card in my laptop (gnome, squeeze) It asks "Do you want to open photo manager or whatever" with options "Open thing" or "Ignore" and a checkbox "Always perform this action" - I check the box and click Ignore and hey guess what, next time, it just asks again.
14:55<retrospectacus>anyone know how to make it always ignore?
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14:55<riley>yo- so i have a server room
14:55<riley>is there any way to administer it without ever having to be there?
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14:55<retrospectacus>riley: ssh
14:55<riley>like remote kvm switches...
14:56<riley>say a machine goes bad
14:56<riley>and ssh becomes unhappy
14:56<riley>i know sun has ILOM
14:56<riley>but we have dell poweredge 1950 and 2950 servers
14:56<retrospectacus>it is possible. I think you need a specific KVM server with connections to all the others
14:57<riley>is there like a best practices for this?
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14:57<retrospectacus>riley: I would ask in #networking or #linux on freenode for a "best practice" recommendation
14:58<riley>i always get referred to #somechannel but nobody is ever there
14:58<riley>and #debian people are usually the smartest
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14:58<retrospectacus>ohhh those babys are very populated
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14:59<retrospectacus>##linux: Total of 980 nicks
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15:00<yoMTVraps>yo- there are 11 people in #linux
15:00<yoMTVraps>not 900 as you claim
15:00<retrospectacus>riley: and ##networking has 300 ppl - Note that I said "On Freenode" - NOT this (OFTC) server
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15:01<yoMTVraps>oh- so am i not on freenode?
15:01<retrospectacus>no sir
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15:01<yoMTVraps>dude- i have no idea what's going on
15:01<retrospectacus>!tell yoMTVraps about irc tutorial
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15:02<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!
15:03<retrospectacus>sweet - let's get drunk
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15:04<ferni>retrospectacus: dont remember but there are settings in filemanager (nautilus) for opening media. Also if you want to disable automounting (also disables this behavior) use gconf-editor and look for the automount from apps -> nautilus , or somewhere like that
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15:06<retrospectacus>hmm I do not mind it mounting the card, even opening nautilus (which it does) but it *additionally* asks EVERY TIME whether I want to open "Photo Importer" or whatever... I would prefer a solution like "uninstall libnautilus-photo-importer" or such.. thanks though ferni
15:07<retrospectacus>'course I am not at my laptop now to give specific messages
15:08<ferni>then just select open folder and check always perform this action :)
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15:08<retrospectacus>no such option - just "open photo importer" or "ignore"
15:08<retrospectacus>open file browser happens already
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15:10<retrospectacus>maybe uninstalling this libgphoto2-port0 would help
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15:11<retrospectacus>I got into my laptop at home by ssh so I can see what's there but won't be able to test card insertion
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15:13<ferni>oh, don't have a squeeze with gnome here right now so cannot test it either
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15:20<retrospectacus>meh, I'll have another look later
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15:27<ZykoticK9>retrospectacus, in Nautilus' preferences / Media tab - do you have any options for Photos? (personally all i see is "no application found") YMMV
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15:29<billie>hi @ all
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15:30<retrospectacus>ZykoticK9: thank you, stand by for X over SSH delay
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15:31<pretendo>hey is there a way to get all the newest packages?? in synaptic does "testing" do it?
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15:32<retrospectacus>!tell pretendo about testing
15:32<retrospectacus>ZykoticK9: Photos: No Applications Found (greyed out)
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15:32<MrFrood>!tell pretendo about bpo
15:32<ZykoticK9>retrospectacus, sorry... best of luck.
15:33<retrospectacus>!tell pretendo about moving target
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15:33<retrospectacus>ZykoticK9: thanks :)
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15:51<sdthkaq>Why the heck isn't the Colbert Report running anymore?
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15:56<retrospectacus>sdthkaq: I think you want #moocows. this is #debian
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15:57<suzana>judd: pciid 10ec:8176
15:57<judd>[10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also
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16:04<metalfreak>I've run into a problem where if I make certain typos like cd `/ instead of cd ~/ then the terminal just displays > and I'm not sure how to get back to the regular command prompt
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16:06<retrospectacus>it's because you opened a ` and never closed it
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16:06<cheater>this is just line continuation mode, meaning you're still typing the command
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16:06<metalfreak>cheater thanks that works... oh ok good to know thank you
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16:08<retrospectacus>metalfreak: it will happen with other characters like ' and " too. Ctrl-C means "kill" (or in this case "cancel")
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16:09<metalfreak>retrospectacus thank you that is also very good to know
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16:10<suzana>how to add in squeeze, kernel module rtl8192ce from sid ?
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16:12<nomada>epale gente
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16:14<Tekk_>how do I detect a microphone? ubuntu and derivs seem to get it no problem but I can't get it to run in any other distro, they're using the same driver as far as I can tell. Any configuration I'd need to change?
16:14<Tekk_>intel card using snd-hda-intel
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16:20<MrFrood>Tekk_: try a newer kernel from backports
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16:20<Tekk_>MrFrood: nah, I'm running testing so my kernel should be up to date :/
16:21<Tekk_>also happened on arch too
16:22<chealer>suzana: why would you want it from sid?
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16:22<MrFrood>all you can do is go through the alsa checklist then - although iirc there has been some discusion about this on the debian-user mail list recently
16:23<suzana>judd: pciid 10ec:8176
16:23<judd>[10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in sid. See also
16:23<suzana>chealer: ^^
16:23<MrFrood>!tell suzana about ssb
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16:24<suzana>thanks MrFrood
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16:25<chealer>suzana: what? it's not because sid has it that you need sid's.
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16:48<bear>I've been on this chat earlier today, I was chatting about trying to get Debian Squeeze working with Radeon 9800 XT.
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16:49<bear>I tried to disable KMS, but failed to do so. Current plan is that I'm gonna burn down Wheezy on CD-R tomorrow, what is the default kernel with that?
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16:49<sney>2.6.38 currently
16:50<bear>So it starts with that just after an install?
16:50<puchucho>hello, does anybody read me?
16:50<bear>Sounds good.
16:50<bear>Will KMS in the kernel work good with Radeon 9800 XT? Do you know?
16:50<sney>9800xt should be old enough for stable but I suppose there could be a regression
16:51<bear>Squeeze just freaks out, doesn't work at all.
16:51<sney>Haven't tried it personally
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16:51<bear>Yes, I'm planning to use the new Radeon which got Gallium3D now.
16:52<puchucho>I've been having problems with my graphic environment, suddenly it gives black lines across the screen. can somebody help me?
16:52<bear>If I can watch YouTube at 1080p I would be happy. :-) But I'm sceptic. Processor: Pentium 4 @ 2.8 ghz. I'm running Catalyst with this with Lenny right now, works OK.
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>bear: I'd say 1080 was unlikely.
16:55<bear>Yes, I guess so. :-)
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16:56<jhutchins_lt>bear: You can get 2.6.38 on squeeze from backports.
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16:56<puchucho>nobody can't help me with my problem? :-(
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16:56<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: Not so far.
16:56<jlengrand>is your install a new one?
16:57<MrFrood>puchucho: you need to give more info
16:57<jlengrand>did you install your drivers for the graphic card
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16:57<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: Which relase? What GPU? What desktop? What kind of display? What have you tried so far?
16:58<puchucho>well, debian 6.0.1, intel 4500mhd, yes is a new installation. I'm using Gnome.
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16:58<jhutchins_lt>bear: I have an AMD system of about the same vintage and it often won't play flash smoothly.
16:58<puchucho>i've tried reinstalling the x-servers drivers so far, and still appear the lines.
16:58<jlengrand>well you got a chipset
16:58<jlengrand>so i guess no problems with drivers
16:59<puchucho>I haven't tried much, I'm new at debian.
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17:00<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: What kind of display, and what resolution?
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17:00<jlengrand>have you got messages such as Failed to initialize GEM. Falling back to classic. on startup ?
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17:00<puchucho>what do you mean with kind of display? the resolution is 1440x900.
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17:01<puchucho>no, I have not received any kind of messages or errors.
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17:02<robin>can anyone help me
17:02<puchucho>hello robin.
17:02<robin>im german
17:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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17:03<jlengrand>puchucho : isn't it helping ?
17:03<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: Is this a laptop or an LCD display? Have you tried changing resolution or refresh rate? What is the native resolution of the display?
17:04<puchucho>let me check it, jlengrand.
17:04<jlengrand>you got two hints in there
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17:04<robin_>bin ich hier in einem deutsch chat ?
17:04<puchucho>jhutchins, is a laptop, yes I've tried it. the refresh rate is set on 60hz and the native resolution is 1440x900.
17:05<thewanderer1>!tell robin_ about de
17:05<jlengrand>nope robi
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17:05<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: With a similar system I've found that while I can do 111330x900, I get lots of artifacts. It works better at lower resolutions.
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17:06<robin_>is this programm a helping and support chat ?
17:06<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: One thing that was necessary to get full resolution was to update the BIOS.
17:06<nyov>robin_: is the german channel
17:06<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: (That's 1440x900 btw)
17:06<robin_>i want to install a debian version but i dont find the right
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17:07<jhutchins_lt>robin_: We usually recommend the netinstall image for Squeeze (6.0.1).
17:07<puchucho>but the curious thing is that, on windows it worked perfectly, also on ubuntu. it's disturbing just in debian. :(
17:08<jlengrand>kinda normal
17:08<jlengrand>debian is much slighter than ubuntu
17:08<chealer>puchucho: which display driver do you use?
17:08<jlengrand>puchucho : might simply be some packages to be installed
17:08<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: It might be useful to find out what kernel, driver, and settings Ubuntu used.
17:08<puchucho>x-server, I suppose.
17:08<nyov>robin_: what debian version were you looking for?
17:09<robin_>a debian version for an eee asus netbook
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17:09<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: xorg has modular drivers for specific chipsets, but that's probably the unified Intel driver. Again, BIOS update.
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17:09<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: Necessary on many new integratted Intel systems.
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17:10<puchucho>let me try updating the intel drivers with the link somebody gave me. brb.
17:10<puchucho>thank you all for your help so far. :)
17:10<robin_>i have a linux box (server), a netbook, and a desktop pc at home
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17:10<robin_>on desktop pc is win 7
17:10<robin_>and netbook debian 6.0.1
17:11<robin_>i want to reinstall my netbook
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17:11<robin_>the flash player and firefox doesnt work on my netbook
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17:11<robin_>i use a usb-memory-stick for this
17:12<robin_>but it doesnt work
17:12<jhutchins_lt>robin_: What flashplayer are you using?
17:12<robin_>can anyone helps me
17:12<robin_>i think flash player 10
17:12<jhutchins_lt>robin_: Reinstalling the whole system to fix flash is overkill.
17:12<jhutchins_lt>robin_: How did you install it?
17:12<notr00t>this might be stating the obvious, but do you have java and flash disabled in your firefox preferences?
17:13<robin_>the flash palyer or the os ?
17:13<robin_>i cant install firefox
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17:13<notr00t>ah sorry missed that
17:13<robin_>no problem
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17:13<jlengrand>robin_ cant install ? why is so
17:14<robin_>i dont know
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17:14<nyov>robin_: you know about iceweasel?
17:14<robin_>it says that the package hasnt a directory argument
17:14<robin_>im sorry
17:14<robin_>i must going offline
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17:14<robin_>im coming online tomorrow
17:15<nyov>see you then
17:15<robin_>see u tomorrow
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17:15<puchucho>hey guys, sorry for being so annoying :( I got this error trying to install libdrm-2.4.25:
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17:16<puchucho>configure: error: Package requirements (pthread-stubs) were not met: No package 'pthread-stubs' found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
17:16<puchucho>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
17:16<puchucho>Alternatively, you may set the environment variables PTHREADSTUBS_CFLAGS and PTHREADSTUBS_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config. See the pkg-config man page for more details.
17:16<puchucho>I've already installed pthread-stubs package
17:17<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: May we infer that this is not a Debian package you are attempting to install?
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17:18<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: Where did you get it?
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17:18<puchucho>it doesn't specify for which distro the packages are..
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17:21<root_user>hi there
17:21<jhutchins_lt>puchucho: That's really not something we can help you with, and if it breaks something we won't be able to help fix it. I would not recommend trying it.
17:22<puchucho>geez. Bad to hear that. :(
17:22<retrospectacus>!tell puchucho about intel
17:23<hotshot>have you tried apt-get upgrade -d ,to see if there is an update to what you need?
17:23<puchucho>let me check.
17:23<retrospectacus>puchucho: dpkg sent you directions on how to install intel graphics properly. Throw away whatever you have and start there
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17:24<retrospectacus>!tell puchucho about intel-gfx
17:24<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: What he has is from the intelinuxgraphics web site linked in the intel-glx factoid.
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17:25<root_user>what mp3 do you use? I'm looking for somthing simple and powerful like winamp
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17:25<root_user>mp3 "player" i mean
17:26<jhutchins_lt>root_user: Amarok.
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17:26<nyov>root_user: audacious is more like old winamp
17:27<towo`>or qmmp
17:27<root_user>why you say old
17:27<MrFrood>root_user: if you want something winamp like take a look at audacious, if you are not afraid of the TUI take a look at moc
17:27<root_user>winamp is still there ;)
17:29<root_user>i saw few pics on google...audacious seems like xmms
17:29<nyov>root_user: but the new winamp looks more like amarok than audacious or qmmp
17:29<nyov>root_user: and xmms was like winamp too ;)
17:29<chealer>root_user: Amarok
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17:30<root_user>thanks guys, I'll give it a try
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17:39<klando>hello, I am looking after more information about debbugs: I wonder how easy or hard it would be to use for another project than debian (formely, postgresql)
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17:40*weasel checks the temperature in hell
17:40<weasel>klando: it has been done before, but AFAIK the package itself is rather out of date
17:41<klando>weasel , I saw some recent activity in debbugs so my request :)
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17:41<weasel>klando: the residents of #debbugs might be able to help you some more
17:41<klando>weasel: oh, I jump on this chan, tks
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17:45<Black_Prince>How do you check temperature in hell? What package do you have installed for that?
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17:46<root_user>sensors-applet - Display readings from hardware sensors in your Gnome panel
17:46<root_user>never used
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17:47<Black_Prince>I have it ...
17:47<root_user>does it work?
17:48<Black_Prince>Well, it does not read temperature from hell, but reads from hdd, mb and cpu
17:48<weasel>Black_Prince: metar.
17:48<root_user>what do you mean with "temperature from hell"
17:49<Black_Prince>root_user, that one was joke on weasels post ...
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17:52<Black_Prince>root_user, here you can see sensors applet, it's on lower panel
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17:54<root_user>nice, but it take a lot of space in the taskbar
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17:54<Black_Prince>Depends on how many sensors you want to display, and what resolution are you using ...
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17:55<Black_Prince>You can only display values, without icons ... etc
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17:59<dabir>how do i convert flv to mp3 in WinFF? 'mp3' preset device is not there
17:59<dabir>in output details
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18:00<Black_Prince>dabir, you may need ffmpeg from dmo
18:00<towo`>dabir, because, you don't have lame installed?
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18:02<dabir>i got lame - only device presets are: ac3 dvd, ogg, wav, wma
18:02<dabir>what is dmo
18:02<dpkg>Unofficial Maintainers is a repository of packages not available within the official Debian repository, due to licensing restrictions or political reasons. The archive signing key is available by installing the dmo-archive-keyring package within this repository. #dmo on
18:03<Black_Prince>Wait, not this one
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18:03<Black_Prince>dmo =
18:03<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
18:03<Black_Prince>Thanks MrFood
18:04*MrFrood giggles
18:04<Black_Prince>It looks like it is time for me to go to sleep ... Midnight has passed 5 minutes ago
18:04<dabir>towo: i'm looking at: gstreamer0.10-lame (not available in the Debian archive) to encode to mp3--is that what i need? or black prince does that come with dmo
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18:05<Black_Prince>dabir, that package is in debian multimedia
18:05<dabir>YES! thnkx :]
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18:10<dabir>dmm squeeze
18:10<dabir><dmm squeeze>
18:10<dabir>!dmm squeeze
18:10<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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18:11<MrFrood>!tell dabir about self tell
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18:18<dabir>help the .mp3 preset still not there
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18:20<aussa>hi, do you know of a autoshutdown program besides GShutdown and KShutdown, none of those worked for me, I use xfce
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18:21<Black_Prince>dabir, winff uses ffmpeg, not gstreamer
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18:21<Black_Prince>you need libavcodec from same repository
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18:21<tharkun>aussa: cron +shutdown works for me sans X
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18:22<MrFrood>aussa: what does an auto shutdown program do?
18:22<aussa>I want the laptop to shut down after 2 hours
18:23<Black_Prince>Just buy a bomb with a timer, and set it to 2 hours.
18:23<dabir>i do have libavcodec what you mean from repository SPM shows it's installed
18:23*MrFrood was going to suggest something similar to tharkun once he had confirmed that an auto shutdown program did what he thought it did :-/
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18:24<Black_Prince>dabir, pastebin "apt-cache policy libavcodec52"
18:24<MrFrood>dabir: install ffmpeg from dmm
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18:24<dabir>ok and how do i know if i have i386 or amd64
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18:24<MrFrood>aussa: the shutdown command can do that
18:24<dabir>for downloading pckgs
18:24<Black_Prince>dabir, uname -a
18:25<Black_Prince>last two words will tell you that
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18:25<Black_Prince>x86_64 Linux/GNU is 64bit, i686 Linux/GNU is 32bit
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18:26<Black_Prince>Oh, you don't need to know that for downloading packages. It will auto install for architecture you are using.
18:26<Black_Prince>Just type "apt-get install ffmpeg" or "aptitude install ffmpeg" ...
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18:27<dabir>weird. i thought i had ffmpeg.. ok
18:27<MrFrood>aussa: man shutdown see the bit where they talk about the time format
18:28<Black_Prince>dabir, The one you have surely does not have non-free codecs enabled. (mp3, x264, divx) ...
18:28<dabir>how do i enable? ffmpeg is already the newest version.
18:28<dabir>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
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18:29<Black_Prince>dabir, have you enabled debian multimedia repository? have you ran apt-get update? Pastebin "apt-cache policy ffmpeg" ?
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18:30<dabir>1) dunno 2)yes 3)no
18:30<dabir>dunno how to do first one
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18:30<dabir>but i think i did if it's editing in text file at the end to 'non-free'
18:30<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
18:31<dpkg>Unofficial Maintainers is a repository of packages not available within the official Debian repository, due to licensing restrictions or political reasons. The archive signing key is available by installing the dmo-archive-keyring package within this repository. #dmo on
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18:31<dabir>k so apt-get install dmo-archive-keyring ?
18:31<Black_Prince>I am a bit lost
18:31<MrFrood>aussa: su -c 'shutdown -h +120'
18:32<Black_Prince>dabir, first type this echo "deb squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list
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18:32<Black_Prince>dabir, you need to be root
18:32<dabir>nothing happens
18:32<Black_Prince>now run apt-get update
18:32<Black_Prince>you will get warning about key missing, but that is ok for now
18:33<dabir>no warning
18:33<dabir>Reading package lists... Done
18:34<dabir>cause i ran it alrdy
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18:34<aussa>ok ty
18:34<Black_Prince>Now paste output of apt-cache policy ffmpeg
18:34<Black_Prince>But use pastebin
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18:36<dabir>idk what pastebin is but i sent you a msg
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18:36<Black_Prince>dabir, do the same with apt-cache policy libavcodec52
18:36<Black_Prince>!tell dabir about pastebin
18:37*MrFrood giggles
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18:38<dabir>did you get that black_prince
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18:40<MrFrood>dabir: pastebin then everyone can help
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18:42<Black_Prince>dabir, what happens when you run apt-get upgrade
18:42<dabir>is it channel or server
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18:43<MrFrood>dabir: tou shoould have a message in another buffer from dpkg about pastebin
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18:43<dabir>which one there is four of them
18:43<dabir>i used
18:44<dabir>and im in that channel now
18:44<Black_Prince>Any one
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18:46<dabir>there is nobody in
18:46<Black_Prince>Pastebin is just web page
18:46<Black_Prince>Where you paste random text, and share it with people
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18:47<dabir_>ok here we go
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18:47<Black_Prince>There is big white box where you can paste some text, and then just click Paste
18:47<Black_Prince>After that just copy link from the browser address bar and paste it here
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18:49<dabir>i pasted it
18:49<Black_Prince>Now, click Submit
18:49<dabir>i did
18:49<Black_Prince>Copy link from address bar
18:49<Black_Prince>There you go
18:50<Black_Prince>Did it hurt?
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18:52<dabir>did that help
18:52<Black_Prince>dabir, it does not look that winff has support for mp3 ... But it has support for wav, which you can convert to any file format you want ...
18:53<dabir>i thought i saw a youtube vid tho
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18:54<Black_Prince>Or Debian did not compile it with mp3 support
18:54<Black_Prince>Because it is against DFSG
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18:55<dabir>but i can do it within terminal?
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18:55<MrFrood>dabir: man ffmpeg
18:57<dabir>fkin sweet. :]
18:57<dabir>this made al the difference in the world.
18:57<jhutchins_lt>Yeah, afik any mp3 software is non-free.
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18:59<ZykoticK9_>jhutchins_lt, technically the mp3 "software" can be free - but it would be using patent encumbered MP3 technology :(
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19:17<Aleric>Is there a way to recorder sound from whatever is playing? I need to record a sound from some youtube entry.
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19:18<MrFrood>Aleric: audacity iirc should do the trick
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19:21<ZykoticK9_>Aleric, i've successfully do this in the past using Audacity, with Pulseaudio choosing "monitor" as input, which I used padevchooser (I hear it's possible with ALSA as well). Good luck.
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19:37<nevyn>Aleric: some soundcards have a "mix" selection as the capture source which does this
19:37<nevyn>Aleric: but pulse (or jack) is also capable of doing this.
19:37<nevyn>Aleric: but if it's youtube consider using a youtube downloader and striping the audio out as another option
19:38<Aleric>I managed to record it
19:38<Aleric>now I'm trying to cut a piece of 10 seconds from it :/
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19:38<Aleric>how on earth does this audacity work :/ no matter what I try it just cuts the whole track away or does nothing :/
19:38<nevyn>Aleric: what are you trying to use?
19:39*nevyn never "got" audacity. ardour just clicked for me tho. (but it's a bit more involved to setup initially)
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19:40<nyov>I wish I could say the same for me about ardour :/
19:40<MrFrood>Aleric: just use the mouse to highlight the bit you want the copy and paste into a new wndow
19:41<MrFrood>*then copy
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19:41<nevyn>nyov: graphs just make sense in my head.
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19:44<nyov>Aleric: you could just use get-flash-videos to get the whole thing and ffmpeg to extract the sound
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20:09<k1lumin4t1>any good dictionary tool (GUI) for Linux? Besides Dict and Stardict
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20:16<ksn>k1lumin4t: try artha
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20:19<CcSsNET>thx ksn, usefull :)
20:19<CcSsNET>added to my, to install list
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20:37<Klepto>whats up guys
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21:03<ParkerR>I am trying to mount iPod Touch 4g in Debian. Apparently there is a problem with the version of usbmuxd and libimobiledevice1 at 1.0.4 and 1.0.2 respectively. It was suggested to upgrade to 1.0.6 and 1.0.4 respectively. However the latest packages that show up in Synaptic are the 1.0.4 and 1.0.2 versions. Any help on upgrading as thy are not in the repo?
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21:05<quant>ParkerR, I really have no idea if this could be the case, but backports might have that
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21:07<ParkerR>quant, also here is the post I got my info from
21:07<quant>ParkerR, you can pull packages from unstable, but I think it's not recommended... you will have more detailed info from somebody else (but it is doable)
21:08<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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21:08<ParkerR>Yeah I was so excited my iPod Touch 1g worked and then was like aww my 4g wount mount XD
21:08<quant>ParkerR, I think you can eventually get it running, try...
21:09<ParkerR>I might just download an unstable iso
21:09<ParkerR>Oh nvm
21:09<ParkerR>I see
21:09<ascai>might be a stupid question but what happens when i enter just "make" in the kernel source folder
21:09<ParkerR>I'll see if this helps quant
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21:12<ParkerR>quant, Yeah even following those instructions it still says already at newer version
21:13<quant>ParkerR, I didn't get that, sorry
21:13<quant>what instructions?
21:14<quant>oh, I see
21:15<Guest3002>everybody,how can i change the nickname
21:15<quant>anyway, try to get some help on pulling from unstable then, I can't say that I'm informed enough to venture in that adventure
21:15<quant>Guest3002, /nick nick
21:15<Guest3002>i try it
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21:16<quant>hello, nick
21:16<nick>thanks quant
21:16<ParkerR>nick, you can change that to whatever you want
21:16<ascai>anyway does anyone have an answer to my question earlier
21:17<quant>ascai, not me, sorry
21:17<ascai>i suspect it's doing make bzimage by the amount of time it's taking..
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21:18<bryan>Can I find help for Ubuntu here?
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21:19<ParkerR>quant, lets hope this works
21:19<quant>Guest3004, no, this is Debian help
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21:20<Guest3004>Thank you
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21:20<nick>u can goto
21:20<nick>i want change my nickname is "kiki",i write "/nick kiki" ,right?
21:21<quant>nick, yes
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21:21<quant>ParkerR, I wouldn't know much about that, but isn't that Ubuntu stuff?
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21:21<ParkerR>quant, It worked!
21:21<quant>ParkerR, ok, nice
21:21<ParkerR>Ubuntu is very Debian based
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21:22<keikei>im nick,new name is keikei
21:23<Piet>is there a way to determine the memory your GPU has available?
21:24<Piet>ideally a generic way...
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21:25<keikei>piet,hold on,,i find
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21:26<ascai>does "make"ing a kernel image do any funny business with the system other than creating the image?
21:28<Nemoder>it shouldn't unless you make install, you should look into using kernel-package to make an image the debian way though
21:28<ascai>i meant to use make-kpkg but left out the "-kpkg" part by accident
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21:29<Nemoder>ah then no, it wont install, it just creates the .deb file in the parent folder
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21:30<ascai>Nemoder, so would executing "make" be equivalent to executing "make-kpkg" in the kernel source folder, or is it equivalent to some other command?
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21:32<ParkerR>Thanks for the help quant
21:32<Nemoder>ascai: they build the image very differently but neither should alter much outside the source tree
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21:33<Nemoder>So I bought a new mouse with a tiltwheel that is supposed to allow horizontal scrolling but it's not working in iceweasel, anyone know how to make this work or a diff app it should work in?
21:33<ZykoticK9_>Piet, to find video memory using cli see article at
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21:34<Piet>thanks ZykoticK9_. 'lspci -knnv | fgrep -A 10 VGA' does it fine in my case, I just found out.
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21:43<jhutchins_lt>ascai: make compiles the software according to the makefile. It may also install it, copy files, edit configurations. It depends on what the make file had in mind. It's often recommended that software be compiled in sort of jail by a non-privileged user so that it can't make arbitrary changes in the system, but if you run "make" as root, all bets are off. What did you do?
21:44<jhutchins_lt>You can read the makefle and see what it was supposed to to.
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21:44<jhutchins_lt>ascai: Generally, for a kernel, "make" just builds the kernel.
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21:45<ascai>i set myself to root and ran "make"
21:45<ascai>not the smartest moves perhaps
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21:46<ascai>jhutchins_lt, i can't access the makefile right now since i'm still in the middle of compiling
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22:12<jhutchins_lt>, its a text file, open another session
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22:18<ascai>ha i didn't even know i could open another session (command line only btw)
22:18<ascai>ok so it makes vmlinux, bzimage, and modules
22:18<ascai>i guess it skipped the "clean" step, is that going to be a problem?
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22:29<mock>how do i tell which pci wireless card is compatible with debian?
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22:31<streuner>mock: basically all chipsets are supported which are supported of Linux.
22:32<Silicium01>I need to install DomainKeys (not DKIM) on my machine and there should be a dk-filter package in squeeze but I cant find it, can someone check their cache, maybe it's my repositories?
22:32<Silicium01>package name is dk-filter
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22:33<streuner>mock: why?
22:33<mock>thanks streuner do you have any advice on where to read about how to judge wireless card quality?
22:34<mock>well i don't want to buy an incompatible wireless card
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22:34<mystery_>how do i log in to Debian though command line
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22:35<streuner>mock: and helps a lot
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22:35<streuner>mock: just find out what kind of chipset in the card itself
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22:44<hdon>hi all :) is /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem a private key?
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22:46<hdon>oh, no it isn't
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22:46<luser>can someone talk me through some iptables NAT issues. I've just had to reinstall, and the commands in my old rc.local no longer seem to work.
22:48<mock>can i post links here?
22:48<retrospectacus>mock: only links to unsolved debian problems
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22:51<nyov>luser: you could pastebin your commands and say what doesn't seem to work
22:51<mock>okay nevermind :-]
22:52<luser>nyov, I'm trying to find the webpage I snarfed the lines from originally
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22:53<nyov>luser: is it about a router box?
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22:54<luser>nyov: found a better page now - and realised I was missing one thing.
22:54<nyov>ip forwarding possibly?
22:55<luser>nyov: I had missed the echo 1 > /proc/....
22:56<luser>and it now seems to work.
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22:56<luser>Yay. Now I can crawl out of the closet, and return to my desktop machine.
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22:58<nyov>luser: there's a better way to make ip-forwarding permanent, in /etc/sysctl.conf put the line "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" then sysctl -p
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22:58<nyov>will keep it on reboot
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23:08<hdon>is there any reason i should be *MISSING* my /etc/hosts file?
23:08<hdon>i also have no /etc/hostname ... has that been done away with?
23:09<Silicium01>Can you recommend a decent DNS hosting or registrar that has good dns hosting?
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23:19<nyov>hdon: i don't think so
23:19<hdon>nyov, well it's odd that i didn't have one. but i created one. (/etc/hostname)
23:19<hdon>then did /etc/init.d/hostname start and logged out /in
23:19<hdon>that much seems to have worked
23:20<nyov>Silicium01: me :P
23:20<nyov>Silicium01: what do you need, DNS only?
23:21<Silicium01>nyov, I have domains with Netfirms, but their DNS control panel sucks. I can not add DKIM TXT records. I basically need DNS yes
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23:22<Silicium01>I tried EditDNS before, but one day my account dissapeared and my DNS records went with it. I have hard time trusting these services now, but I need one.
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23:23<nyov>Silicium01: well check out - stable since ever, that much I can tell from experience
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23:23<nyov>if it does what you need, well would have to check that first
23:23<Silicium01>I need these records:
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23:23<Silicium01>_domainkey.DOMAIN.TLD. IN TXT "t=y; o=-;"
23:23<Silicium01>and SELECTOR._domainkey.DOMAIN.TLD. IN TXT "k=rsa; t=y; p=YOUR_PUBLIC_KEY_HERE"
23:24<Silicium01>so basically these are TXT records for _domainkey subdomains I guess?
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23:24<Silicium01>This is kinda new to me
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23:27<nyov>Silicium01: yeah, not much to it, actually. That there are still hosters out there, who won't let you edit TXT records is kinda embarassing
23:27<Silicium01>I was just looking at
23:28<Silicium01>nyov, since you're familiar with it, what's with all the sharing domain?
23:28<Silicium01>Even private appears on other's list and they request subdomains?
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23:31<nyov>Silicium01: true, it's much about sharing domains there, but you can add a private ones. If you don't want it to show up in the domain list (stealth), you'll have to be premium member (pay)
23:31<nyov>else it's for free
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23:32<Silicium01>nyov, but if it's provate noone can mess with it and add subdomains or change records right?
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23:34<nyov>Silicium01: sorry, it's really about sharing. didn't know that detail - if it's private, you're in control. but expected to accept subdomains from others who request it
23:34<nyov>so $5 for premium, and it's your's only
23:35<nyov>per month that is. whew
23:36<nyov>But I just checked, and TXT records are possible, among lots of others
23:37<Silicium01>nyov, I'm just not sure what they mean by sharing. I own a domain name and I want to host DNS for it there, does this mean unless I'm stealth member i will have to allow others to create subdomains?
23:38<nyov>Silicium01: that's the spirit there, exactly. Though if it's private you have to approve the subdomain.
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23:45<Silicium01>nyov, thanks
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23:46<chl501>Generally what tool is good for checking network traffic? Or how can I check network traffic? I setup several virtualboxs, but lately I notice when ssh to those boxs (doing some tasks e.g. vi ), sometimes the connection will be lag. For example, I open a file for editing (vi /path/to/file), then it hang for a while; and comes back to normal for a while, then again it hangs for a few mins. What place or log I can check for such problem?
23:47<nyov>Silicium01: np, just the first one that came to mind. if it's not your thing, no problemo. Personally I use them as a backup secondary NS
23:52<th>chl501, wireshark
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23:52<chl501>th: thanks.
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23:53<nyov>wireshark, or tshark if you have no X
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