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00:32<mock>whenever i try to log in
00:32<mock>the first time i start to put in my password gdm restarts
00:32<mock>it's really disconcerting
00:33<mock>i mean, whenever i first boot my computer
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00:45<Silicium01>nyov, I went with There also seems to be another one: Just thought you might want to know
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00:52<dabir>anyone know how to establish an internet connection inside a virtualbox running XP? i'm connected thru ethernet cable, and it doesn't show up.
00:53<nyov>Silicium01: great! thanks for letting me know
00:59<dpkg>Oracle VM VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze> or <vbox-install lenny>. #vbox on See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>.
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01:17<windsofchange49>this guy doesn't even seem qualified to run his own finances
01:17<windsofchange49>let alone those of a country
01:17<sney>you must be looking for #moocows
01:18<chl501>I notice when ssh hangs (e.g editing with vi), wireshark shows that ssh is doing retransmission (highlighted with black colour), and tcp's ack value is very high. is this normal? or what might this symptom may indicate? TCP dup ACK 732#1 ssh > 42565 [ack] seq=43489 ack=28369 ...
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01:20<kop>chl501: Outgoing traffic on a asymmetric link that's causing acks to drop?
01:23<chl501>kop: I don't know too much about network. Does it mean the packet is from unknown source (because it is asymmetric)? My source is my host machine and dest is another debian running on virtualbox.
01:24<chl501>And from wireshark I can see the src is from my host machine, which is a debian dist, and dest is another debian running on vbox.
01:24<kop>chl501: Asymmetric means only that up/down speeds are different, as with the cheezy internet services sold to the consumer in the U.S.
01:25<kop>chl501: Packets drop when the link is full. Ergo, lost acs.
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01:26<chl501>so that mean I run out of the bandwidth. resulting in failing to response ack?
01:27<chl501>because no extra room for sending ack.
01:27<nyov>chl501: possibly, what's the network links between the systems?
01:27<nyov>or are you just going host -> vm ?
01:28<Silicium01>Is there a way to see what happened to a package?
01:28<Silicium01>dk-filter does not seem to be in squeeze and it was in lenny
01:28<mjt>chl501: ssh hangs when, exactly? Does it hang, eg, when you type `dmesg' ?
01:29<chl501>the network link on virtualbox is Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02); on my host is Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 16)
01:29<kop>chl501: No. What's in between the boxes?
01:29<chl501>nyov: yes. I going host-> vm
01:30<Silicium01>mjr, are you sure that that's the right one?
01:30<Silicium01>It aws called dk-filter before
01:30<kop>chl501: No, I don't believe you are. You have two separate pieces of hardware talking to each other, right?
01:31<mjt>Silicium01: so go to the "filter" page in there - just one char change :)
01:31<Silicium01>mjt, it takes me back to milter
01:32<chl501>kop: virtualbox system runs on my host machine. I do not use another hardware to run virtualbox.
01:32<mjt>Silicium01: sure, that's why i've shown you that url
01:32<nyov>Silicium01: source package for dk-filter is dk-milter
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01:32<Silicium01>mjt when I do apt-cache search dk-milter I do not find anything,
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01:33<kop>chl501: So, all the communication stays within one piece of hardware? You have a debian running inside virtualbox that's running on debian?
01:33<mjt>Silicium01: because it's removed from debian, as shown on that page. Do you expect spoonfeeding?
01:33<chl501>I am not sure about the link (It is in a lab and I am not responsible for that), but to my best knowledge my machines seems to be under the umbrella of a switch. or how can I check the link?
01:35<chl501>kop: yes. I install a debian. Then because I need to develope some applications, I setup another virtualbox where another debian (guest) is installed.
01:35<chl501>I am not comfort with other dist. : p
01:36<Silicium01>mjt, so if it's removed where do i get it? Sorry not very familiar with all this
01:36<jm_>chl501: I also have weird connectivity issues with virtualbox netwroking, but I am running windows guest on a debian host - the issue is always with receiving, but I never bothered figuring it out since changing net type to NAT helped me
01:36<mjt>Silicium01: it's unmaintained and buggy, and it's available from lenny.
01:36<kop>chl501: So, none of the traffic you're talking about is going through a switch or a wire or anything like that, right?
01:37<chl501>kop: yes. I only connect to vm for doing something tasks. at the moment there is no other thing to do.
01:38<nyov>chl501: that means you're sitting right infront of the machine, and the vm is on the same hardware?
01:38<nyov>because then it's unlikely to be a network problem
01:38<chl501>jm_: won't the connection through nat be a bit slow? and how to access from host to guest(vm)? host seems can not see the guest, and sometimes I need to access to e.g. obtain files from guest machine.
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01:39<th>do you get this kernel msg in the vm: atkbd.c : Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly /
01:39<chl501>nyov: yes. I am sitting in front of the machine (host), and connecting to guest (on the same machine) through ssh.
01:39<jm_>chl501: I haven't notice any slowdowns; yes, if you need to connect to guest this is unusable without other options (i.e. reverse ssh tunnels etc.)
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01:40<jm_>but I also have linux guests and never noticed any such problems there
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01:42<chl501>jm_: previously I do not have such issue. It seems just happens recently (the symptom, ssh hangs, occurs 1 or 2 days ago)
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01:45<chl501>th: I use key words e.g. Spurious NAK or atkbd.c, but nothing is found in syslog.
01:45<th>hmmm, different problem then.
01:47<nyov>chl501: does it happen randomly, or on specific events, like opening a file, connecting to the box, etc.?
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01:53<chl501>nyov: looks like it periodically hangs. For example, it hangs when I try to edit with vi. Then next time it hangs even when in command line without doing anything (just can not move cursor). After a while, it seems to work again.
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01:56<nyov>chl501: strange. or could it be an IO problem, too much load? swapping to disk?
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02:01<chl501>I am the only person who use the host and virtualbox and there are no servers (e.g application server or web server ) running at the moment. Web server was removed and some other cluster e.g. hadoop was shutdown indeed. Checking bg processes show servers are not up.
02:02<Ronaldo>im sure there is another in the universe
02:02<chl501>Does `duplicate use of ip detected' in wireshark mean there are 2 (or more than 2) machines contending to obtain the same ip address?
02:03<chl501>I just notice there is such message shown in wireshark
02:03<chl501>wireshark's dialogue frame.
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02:05<jm_>chl501: try pinging it
02:06<retrospectacus>chitchat: might be that is referring to your localhost (localnet)?
02:06<retrospectacus>(duplicate IP usage)
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02:06<chitchat>retrospectacus: I think you mean chl501
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02:08<retrospectacus>whoops, yes, sorry...
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02:13<chl501>needs to going to take a walk. maybe i will have luck with my mind refreshed. : p thanks for all your help. I really appreciate it. : )
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02:27<darko>hey all, not sure where to start getting the ethernet working on my x120e, any help?
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02:31<th_>can you paste the result of running "lspci -nn|grep -i Ethernet" ?
02:31<th_>please use pastebin if it's more than 2 line
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02:33<diego>hello, Im having problems trying to play an audio cd
02:33<diego>if I try in totem there is no plugin
02:33<diego>the only way I found to play it is running mplayer cdda://
02:34<diego>(in console) ... but it keeps stopping and starting
02:34<diego>saying "Invalid seek to negative position" (the cd is fine, will play in another system)
02:35<dudz_>tried a different cd/dvd rom in your system ?
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02:37<diego>yeah, reader works :)
02:37<darko>lscpi says im using realtek trl8111/8168b ethernet
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02:38<jm_>diego: so try another player perhaps
02:38<ompaul>diego: change the CD first, then change your player.
02:38<th_>darko, do you have firmware-realtek package installed?
02:39<darko>thanks for helping, how can i check that? i just did a default install
02:39<ompaul>diego: what kind of cpu / ram have you got (basically what are the full specs of your machine) are you doing anything other than irc and playing music at the same time
02:39<darko>i assume i dont
02:40<th_>darko, run dpkg -l|grep firmware-realtek
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02:41<th_>if the package is installed, it should display something like this: ii firmware-realtek.......
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02:42<diego>I was just seeing a dvd movie so the reader works
02:42<diego>I have a dv6-1375dx laptop
02:42<diego>its core2duo 2.13 with 6 gigs ddr3
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02:43<diego>I think its just a problem when the filesystem type is cdda
02:43<jm_>cdda is not a file system
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02:43<diego>it says that in gnome
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02:45<diego>I have an old cd player that even plays it , I wanted to rip it as mp3 so I could upload it to my ipod :(
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02:45<ompaul>diego: so install sound juicer
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02:46<ompaul>however your inability to tell me if you are running lots of other programs does seem a little scary
02:46<diego>well, this is a bit weird anyway
02:46<diego>so, debian will mount the cd and refuse to play it in totem
02:46<diego>but if I copy the wav files to my hard drive
02:46<diego>they will play :S
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02:47<ompaul>thank you for not answering the question asked, here I leave you to it
02:48<diego>ohh, no
02:48<diego>Im not running anything at all
02:48<diego>just firefox
02:48<diego>and an xterm for this irc
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02:48<jm_>rip it? try abcde or any other ripping tool
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02:49<diego>yeah, I can just copy the wav now and convert it to mp3, but now Im curious why doesnt it want to play from the cd :S
02:49<diego>its kinda weird
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02:49<jm_>like we said, try another player
02:49<diego>I did ... I do not even see where is it mounted :S
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02:50<ompaul>jm_: he has already been told to install sound-juicer (which either plays or rips) I got no reply to that suggestion so I'm not involved 000 audio should not mount
02:50<jm_>uhm cd player apps have an interface with play button and such, you don't mount them
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02:51<simonlnu>you don't mount audio cds. some "file managers" fake-mount them, but they aren't really.
02:51<diego>yeah, I cannot mount it, says invalid file system type with everything I try
02:51<simonlnu>because you a) don't have to b) shouldn't bother trying
02:51<jm_>is that big enough?
02:51<diego>oh, ok , so ... if I copy the wav to my hard drive it will play in any player
02:51<simonlnu>jm_: you need figlet :P
02:51<diego>if I dont copy it , it wont play
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02:51<jm_>simonlnu: or toilet --gay :)
02:52<th_>perhaps the "mounting" is something like gvfs or fuse fs to automatically extract the audio and present it as wav file
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02:52<simonlnu>th_: yes
02:52<k1lumin4t1>is there any CLI or GUI tool (without having to bash script) to batch extract several tar.{gz | bz} files?
02:52<th_>i'm not familiar with gnome
02:52<simonlnu>exactly what it does
02:52<th_>k1lumin4t1, try atool package
02:53<k1lumin4t1>th_, thanks, let me check
02:53<jm_>k1lumin4t1: aunpack -e file1 fil2 file3 ...
02:53<th_>aunpack --each 1.tar.gz 2.tar.bz2
02:53<jm_>hah I win
02:54<k1lumin4t1>jm_, th_, oh,,, it's _several_ files actually...
02:54<jm_>k1lumin4t1: that's why you've been told to use -e/--each switch with it
02:54<k1lumin4t1>I have this bash script with a tar -x{j|z}vf within a for loop which descendes into a folder
02:55<diego>ok, I will just copy the files , guess I will not figure it out lol
02:55<k1lumin4t1>jm_, yes, but, do I have to write down all files?
02:55<diego>but thank you :)
02:55<jm_>k1lumin4t1: no, you can rely on your shells globbing capability
02:55<k1lumin4t1>jm_, of course, there's auto-completion, but it's still a bit awkward
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02:55<th_>find . -iname '*.bz2' -or -iname '*.tar.gz' -execdir aunpack {} \;
02:55<k1lumin4t1>jm_, explain that to me, please
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02:56<th_>replace aunpack with tar -xf
02:56<th_>if you don't want to use atool
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02:58<k1lumin4t1>th_, jm_, ok, let me play with that a bit, and I'll let you know. Thanks both
02:58<jm_>k1lumin4t1: aunpack -e *.tar.bz2 *.tar.gz etc.
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02:58<k1lumin4t1>jm_, hahaha, of course... didn't get it by that name
02:59<jm_>k1lumin4t1: most shells have a key combination to expand that to real files so you can see the full command before running it
02:59<k1lumin4t1>jm_, I called those regexps
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02:59<k1lumin4t1>jm_, how could I find out that?
03:00<jm_>k1lumin4t1: which shell is it?
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03:00<k1lumin4t1>jm_, gnome-terminal (bash)
03:00<th_>it's shell globbing
03:01<k1lumin4t1>jm_, the nautilus with file-roller can do batch unpacking
03:01<th_>the pattern is not RE
03:01<k1lumin4t1>I didn't know, just tried it out
03:02<th_>awesome, i have never used file-roller before
03:02<jm_>k1lumin4t1: m-* so probably alt-*
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03:03<jm_>that should be M-*
03:03<k1lumin4t1>jm_, so, let us rephrase...I do that keystroke when?
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03:05<th_>type ls .* then press alt and *
03:06<th_>then it will show everything prefixed with .
03:06<th_>change the pattern as needed
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03:06<th_>but i think the keystroke must be pressed immediately after typing the glob pattern
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03:11<k1lumin4t1>th_, doesn't do anything
03:11<k1lumin4t1>ls * (Alt + *)
03:11<jm_>k1lumin4t1: say you have this command 'echo *.tar.gz *.tar.bz2', so you first type that and then press this combo (on US keyboard it's alt-shift-8)
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03:11<k1lumin4t1>jm_, ok
03:11<k1lumin4t1>didn't press the shift on the * stroke
03:11<k1lumin4t1>thought it was the key actually, not the character
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03:11<k1lumin4t1>thanks a lot :D
03:11<k1lumin4t1>jm_, th_, in which manual or doc did you find about this tooltip?
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03:12<th_>man bash
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03:13<karpagam>hi, I 've just installed an Indian version of debian "boss".after installing internet connectivity is not established.the error message is SIOCSIFFLAGS:No such file or directory for the command 'ifconfig eth0 up'
03:13<jm_>k1lumin4t1: for your shell
03:13<karpagam>any help???
03:13<jm_>karpagam: you should ask in boss related channel
03:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, boss is a powerful, annoying creature, usually devoid of any clue, especially when ordering people around. "Bharat Operating System Solutions" (BOSS), an Indian GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian>; support is at #boss-nrcfoss on and
03:14<k1lumin4t1>jm_, th_, aight, thanks
03:15<karpagam>ok, thanks.
03:15<k1lumin4t1>however, I just realized all files I have are .tar.bz2, so a simple *.tar.bz2 could also do the trick
03:15<k1lumin4t1>with the aunpack command
03:15<jm_>karpagam: but to give you some clues - check if driver is loaded for it: ifconfig -a; ls /sys/class/net ; find its PCI ID and that will help you find a driver and so on
03:15<jm_>k1lumin4t1: just remember to use -e
03:16<k1lumin4t1>jm_, sure, I will simulate first
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03:18<k1lumin4t1>jm_, oh, aunpack creates a folder before each unpacking and sends the content there
03:19<th_>i think that's a desirable behavior
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03:20<jm_>k1lumin4t1: that depends - if the archive has it it preserves that if it can
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03:21<k1lumin4t1>jm_, well I ran a simulation and it creates a folder for extraction before the extraction
03:21<k1lumin4t1>I mean
03:21<k1lumin4t1>mkdir Unpack-304; tar xvf stardict-xfardic-gnu-linux-2.4.2.tar.bz2 -C Unpack-3042 --bzip2
03:21<k1lumin4t1>for example
03:21<jm_>k1lumin4t1: yes, but it will rename that sometimes
03:22<th_>you want it to be extracted the the current dir?
03:22<th_>all of them, i mean
03:23<k1lumin4t1>yes within the current directory and to be extracted as tar -xjf regularly does, the name of the folder being the prexif of the file itself
03:24<th_>ls *.tar.bz2|xargs -n 1 tar -xf
03:25<th_>find . -name '*.tar.bz2' -execdir tar -xf {} \;
03:25<th_>pick 1
03:25<k1lumin4t1>th_, so isn't there any way to override that aunpack behaviour?
03:26<k1lumin4t1>I don't see in the man any options related to it
03:26<th_>neither do i
03:27<k1lumin4t1>let me try to see if it does what it says, to move them back if possible
03:28<k1lumin4t1>ok running
03:28<k1lumin4t1>so far it's doing it
03:28<k1lumin4t1>th_, but it's kind of slow, even though I'm on a 6-cores CPU with 4 Gig of RAM
03:29<k1lumin4t1>th_, ok, did it well.. It recreated all folders correctly
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03:30<k1lumin4t1>jm_, th_, I don't even want to imagine how long would it take in an average computer
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03:32<jm_>k1lumin4t1: that's because it doesnt take advantage of multiple core-s
03:32<k1lumin4t1>jm_, oh
03:32<jm_>try with parallel bzip2 (not sure if there's the same for gzip)
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03:34<k1lumin4t1>jm_, yes but that's to parallelize the compression, not the decompresion
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03:36<jm_>k1lumin4t1: well both actually
03:36<k1lumin4t1>jm_, pbzip2 does bunziping also?
03:37<jm_>k1lumin4t1: yes, it has -d switch
03:37<mjr>there is pigz for gz
03:37<k1lumin4t1>jm_, and the tar part?
03:38<jm_>k1lumin4t1: what about tar? that shall be limited by disk speed only
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03:39<k1lumin4t1>jm_, oh, the aunpack has support for pbzip
03:39<k1lumin4t1>jm_, I see
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05:18<Wojtek>pompka noobie
05:18<pompka>kupa pitol cycki
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05:19<Grocjhu> asda
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05:19<Wojtek>co robicie??:D
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05:20<Patryk>siema zydy
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05:21<Sebakk>wy kmiecie
05:21<pompka>DUBA DUBA
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05:21<cin>hy bitchys
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05:23<ponury>pomoże ktoś początkującemu??
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05:25<ponury>czy testdisk odzyska mi dane z częściowo sformatowanej partycji ext4
05:26*MrFrood takes a wild guess...
05:26<dpkg>pl is probably polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
05:27<dpkg>[cz] Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
05:27<MrFrood>hope that helps
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05:33<dpkg>VATTENE VIA!
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05:51<n0nsense>taleon: :>
05:52<taleon>Greetings, n0nsense. :-)
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06:17<jasonsmr>hello channel
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06:18<taleon>hello user
06:19<jasonsmr>Query; is there such a thing as a live filesystem on a /dev/<device-server> mount that will write to a image like squashfs over a network eg nfs & and back again to a mount eg /mnt in client?
06:19<jasonsmr>hello ^^
06:20<jasonsmr>and or process?
06:21<jasonsmr>I have nfs, I really could if its possable nfs a mount to another mount direct?
06:22<jm_>jasonsmr: nbd, drbd etc.
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06:25<jasonsmr>drdb Ive heard of
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06:26<mjt>is there a way to debootstrap a debian system so that it install debconf-english instead of debconf-i18n? --include/--exclude does not help somehow, it always tries to install debconf-i18n
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06:41<devil>mjt: debconf-i18n collides with debconf-english
06:41<devil>but i dont know a solution
06:41<mjt>yes it does
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06:42<mjt>so when i use --include=debconf-english, it tries to install both and fails. Even if I also use --exclude=debconf-i18n
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07:11<Rusek>ok :D
07:11<Rusek>haah "D
07:11<Lukas>This Life
07:11<Rusek>wiedzialem ze bd ok :p
07:11<Rusek>po³aczenie jest :p
07:11<Rusek>walic ich :p
07:12<Black_Prince>!ops Rusek
07:12<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: black_prince complains about: Rusek
07:12<MrFrood>!ops Lukas Rusek
07:12*Black_Prince shrugs
07:12<Rusek>sam jestes lol
07:12*MrFrood giggles @ Black_Prince
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07:35<Abddu>Polish time on #debian. :D
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07:41<ksaddique>Hello; may any body know any type of bug in debian
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07:45<babilen>ksaddique: knows plenty :)
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07:48<Abddu>Any 'harden' package users here? Would you recommend it for a desktop machine with sshd?
07:49<ksaddique>babilen i need to know any type of smallist bug which already not enrolled on debian
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07:50<ksaddique>babilen: do you know any type of bug even severirty level is minor may u help for
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07:54<SynrG>ksaddique: having a hard time understanding you
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07:54<SynrG>ksaddique: are you asking for help? or are you offering help?
07:56<jm_>he wants to fix one debian bug or somesuch, has been here before
07:57<ksaddique>SynrG: i dont know the develpment on Debian, i need help of only in enrolment of any type of bug in debian.
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07:58<SynrG>ksaddique: you want to file a bug
07:58<babilen>ksaddique: Do you mean that you need help with filing a new bug?
07:59<babilen>ksaddique: If so, what is it?
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08:00<bear>Hello! Today I've installed Debian Wheezy with Linux kernel 2.6.38. With my Radeon 9800 XT I only get a black screen, no tty console, no nothing. Trying to disable KMS has not worked either, do I haveto install Debian Lenny and go for that instead?
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08:01<SynrG>bear: see #debian-next
08:02<SynrG>or install debian squeeze
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08:02<SynrG>lenny is oldstable. squeeze is stable (and recommended for users). wheezy is "testing" and is only for those who are tolerant of breakage and interested in helping test/file bugs, etc.
08:03<bear>I installed and tried with Debian Squeeze yesterday, it got problems with KMS too, not working either. Successfull install and I see some text coming up on the screen, then all is black, cannot click or do anything.
08:03<mansi>hey friends..i need to change the password using script, but in Debian i can't see the --stdin option fro passwd command....what to do?
08:03<mansi>i have this option in other distros like suse
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08:04<bear>I seriously considering going back to Lenny, it works with this graphic card, and it's the distribution I'm sitting on here, on a very old hard drive, but I would like to go for something newer. I think that KMS is the problem, but nothing I do can disable it or getting it working, any solutions?
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08:04<SynrG>bear: which video chipset?
08:04<SynrG>oh, you said
08:04<jm_>mansi: man chpasswd
08:05<SynrG>i don't know if the free driver supports that card
08:05<devil>not with 3d anyways
08:05<bear>It does. :-)
08:05<jm_>surely blacklisting the radeon driver would help
08:06<mansi><jm> this cannot be done in passwd. is it? i shall check chpasswd
08:06<devil>bear: did you also install firmware-linux-nonfree alongside the radeon driver?
08:06<bear>INDEED, but I cannot access any files and don't see anything on the screen, so how do I do that?
08:06<SynrG>oh, that's an oldish card, not new
08:06<jordanm>installation of fglrx should handle the blacklisting
08:06<SynrG>sorry. i don't know ATI's model numbering scheme :p
08:06<jm_>mansi: well with a different tool you can do it with passwd too
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08:06<hammer>i'm having problem resuming my laptop from suspend can anyone help
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08:07<jm_>bear: even booting with init=/bin/bash?
08:07<devil>hammer: on squeeze?
08:07<hammer>devil: yeah
08:07<mansi><jm> can you please help me out with the name of that tool :) or the option to be used in the passwd command....
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08:08<jm_>mansi: well tools like expect, but just use chpasswd
08:08<bear>I haven't tried that, but I do have tried to boot up in Rescue mode, and from there the root partition is mounted, I even edited /etc/default/grub with nomodeset, I saved it, no success.
08:08<devil>hammer: pm-utils is installed?
08:09<jm_>you need to re-run update-grub after editing /etc/default/grub AFAIK
08:09<mansi><jm..> ohh okay......i use expect for remote ssh login... :) anyway let me use chpasswd here as you said :) thanks......
08:09<bear>With Debian Lenny I got full support for ATi Catalyst, but with Squeeze or Wheezy, I haveto use the free RADEON driver, and from what I have read it works, even with 3D acceleration.
08:09<jm_>mansi: ahh OK so you are familiar with it, so yes, same concept
08:09<jordanm>mansi: erm, why not public keys?
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08:10<devil>hammer: check your pm-suspend.log
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08:10<devil>hammer: and please keep it in the channel
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08:10<mansi><jm..> just curiosity, why debian removed --stdin option from passwd :) seems some security consideraions :)
08:10<bear>When I tried with the update-grub, it said that: command not found.
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08:11<bear>So that's a problem.
08:11<SynrG>bear: generally it is better to test by hand-editing the boot prompt
08:11<mansi><jordanm..> i use it for my internal testing server only :) not for production servers :)
08:11<SynrG>bear: once you find a parameter that works *then* you edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub (as root)
08:11<hammer>devil: my suspend log shows nothing...
08:11<mansi><jorad> anyway i have stopped that practise and now using key only :)
08:11<devil>hammer: how do you suspend?
08:12<jm_>mansi: maybe it's not removed but a different passwd package
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08:12<bear>Yes, I tried nomodeset from the boot menu, then I pressed ctrl + x and it booted up with only a black screen, what other parameters can I use so that this issue with KMS doesn't mess up my screen?
08:12<SynrG>bear: by hand-edit, i mean, press 'e' on the appropriate menu entry, down-arrow to the kernel line, ^e to get to the end of the line, add the parameter, then ^x to boot
08:12<jm_>so try using /usr/sbin/update-grub if it's not in your PATH
08:13<mansi><jm..> i am using squeeze, but in suse the man page dates back to 2005, but this option is present there :) in squeeze it shows 2010 :-D
08:13<SynrG>bear: well, sounds like you did the right thing, unless somehow you edited the wrong line ...
08:13<hammer>well i've try several way but event when i do it from pm-suspend with the forcing display resume option it's still cant bring the display back
08:13<jm_>mansi: yeah I'd say a different package but I don't know the details
08:13<bear>I did the right thing. :) I'm sure, I read some documentation. Did not work.
08:13<SynrG>ok, and sure you didn't typo, hm?
08:13<mansi><jm..> okay :)
08:14<devil>hammer: sry, need to reboot
08:14<hammer>devil: aight
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08:15<bear>I tried quiet splash nomodeset, is that correct?
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08:15<bear>I also tried with quiet nomodeset without the splash in it.
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08:15<Abddu>Again: Should I, as a newbie and non-programmer user, install 'harden', or is it a road to disaster? :D
08:16<thewanderer1>Abddu: as a newbie, you're unlikely to be able to configure it properly
08:16<thewanderer1>you might want to ask a pro to do that
08:17<SynrG>bear: sure. sounds right to me (though i've always set modeset to some value, but i guess nomodeset is the same as radeon.modeset=0 or something?)
08:17<bear>Yes, I didn't even know what I did, they just wrote it. :)
08:18<thewanderer1>Abddu: oh, you also probably don't need it on a desktop machine... the default config is quite secure, and it doesn't even recommend grsecurity or any other MAC/RBAC (simply because nobody bothered to integrate them in the distro), so for a non-server machine, well... hardly any gain
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08:19<SynrG>bear: hmm. it may be that nomodeset only works with certain chipsets (nvidia?)
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08:19<SynrG>bear: try radeon.modeset=0 instead
08:19<mjt>X wont work with nomodeset on radeon
08:20<mjt>maybe just vesa driver
08:20<hammer>bear dont do that
08:20<SynrG>mjt: oh? fun. even for an older card?
08:20<SynrG>right now it's not working for him. just a blank screen.
08:20<hammer>xforcevesa is the way to go if your radeon card doesn't work
08:20<mjt>i don't remember when exactly but all UMS-related code has been removed from radeon DDX driver a while back
08:20<SynrG>he said this used to work with lenny
08:21<hammer>i'm not familiar with lenny...
08:21<mjt>lenny had very different drivers
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08:21<bear>Lenny uses kernel 2.6.26.
08:21<bear>KMS code was first introduced in 2.6.29.
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08:21<bear>Squeeze uses 2.6.32 and Wheezy 2.6.38.
08:22<sylock>hello. I'm search for the error code list of apt-get. Can't find it in any man neither with google ... Is someone can help me?
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08:23<SynrG>sylock: maybe you should explain what error you're getting.
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08:23<bear>So I had big hopes for the open source drivers in Wheezy with my old Radeon card over here, but maybe it's just for X1000 series and upwards that it works well. From what I read, my chipset is supported by the KMS, but it does not seem to work so good...
08:24<sylock>I know what error I got : some of my servers in sources.list are not reachable anymore. But I'm writting a little script and want to handle differnt kind of errors.
08:24<SynrG>bear: maybe look upstream for a bug filed about this? if it's supposed to work ...
08:24<bear>Yes, should I still try with radeon.modeset=0 as you wrote?
08:24<SynrG>it's conceivable it may work in wheezy (if not now, then eventually)
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08:24<SynrG>bear: no, according to the advice others gave, this will fail.
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08:25<SynrG>i don't have extensive experience with ati cards. just the one i have, which is newer and works fine
08:25<sylock>SynrG, I'm writing a script to update remote servers in a semi-automatic way (still ask interractively y/n but do connexions and commands automatically)
08:26<jordanm>sylock: aptitude install apticron?
08:26<nevyn>sylock: ssh and a for loop is not a solution.
08:27<sylock>nevyn, no I'm using fabric
08:27<nevyn>wtf is fabric?
08:27<sylock>nevyn, a wonderfull python tool
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08:27<sylock>nevyn, written to manage a farm of servers
08:27<SynrG>python's answer to puppet?
08:28<bear>Bye and thanks for the help. I'm going for a new install of Lenny instead until I'm going for better pc hardware later this year.
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08:28*nevyn doesn't get why you wouldn't just use puppet.
08:28<nevyn>but some people hate ruby afaict
08:28<SynrG>because if you're a pythonista it's embarrassing to depend on ruby-based tools? :)
08:28<sylock>nevyn, yes it looks a bit like puppet but it is not really the same ;)
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08:29<nevyn>does it let you tie the resources for a service together?
08:30<sylock>SynrG, so error code of apt-get is not documented?
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08:30<SynrG>sylock: well, it's an internal thing, so i'd start with the apt source, i guess
08:30<sylock>SynrG, ok ...
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08:31<nevyn>it's not in the man page?
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08:31<nevyn>DIAGNOSTICS apt-get returns zero on normal operation, decimal 100 on error.
08:32<SynrG>huh. dunno how i missed that
08:32<SynrG>and that's it? no other errors?
08:33<sylock>nevyn, oh. I didn't found that piece of information. But it won't help me to handle errors if any error is 100 ...
08:33<nevyn>oh so fabric is like clusterssh or umm what's that sysadmin scripting language from the 90's
08:33<SynrG>sylock: you know there is python-apt
08:33<SynrG>maybe what you want to do is script it in python calling into that?
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08:33<sylock>SynrG, oh I don't know python-apt. I'll look at this.
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08:34<SynrG>humm, not sure that is sufficiently rich to actually update & upgrade packages tho
08:34<SynrG>looks like it's just for access to the data structures
08:34<Abddu>thewanderer1: Thank you for the tip. Will skip 'harden' then. Was wondering though, why is packages like telnetd, for example, installed as default, and then thought it might be a good idea to put some additional effort to secure the machine. :)
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08:34<SynrG>failing that, i guess it's a matter of capturing stdout/stderr and doing stuff with that
08:35<thewanderer1>Abddu: um, telnetd is installed by default? I've never seen that one!
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08:35<Abddu>thewanderer1: my ssh users range from total newbies (with a winscp client capability only) to linux pros... One never knows what they could do, unknowingly or intentionally, to... say... test the system. there is a soviet saying: Permanent control is the ultimate sign of trust!
08:35<sylock>SynrG, ok I also think I'll need to do something like that
08:36<sylock>thank for help ;)
08:36<thewanderer1>Abddu: maybe you shouldn't be running SSH on a desktop in the first place :P
08:36<Abddu>thewanderer1: Yes, I am sure I never installed it and I purged it (basic + kde-base).
08:37<jordanm>Abddu: aptitude why telnetd
08:37<Abddu>thewanderer1: How would I share my TBs of movies and music? :P
08:37<SynrG>admjola: telnetd installed by default? that's news to me.
08:37<thewanderer1>Abddu: by exporting them to a properly secured server
08:37<jordanm>something probably recommended it
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08:38<Abddu>jordanm: it didn't show _any_ dependancies when being purged, and now why gives: Unable to find a reason to install telnetd.
08:38<thewanderer1>Abddu: if you want to setup a shell server, be aware that Linux has holes very often and even a "harden" package is not going to save you from kernel exploits
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08:39<thewanderer1>Abddu: it might be wise to recompile the kernel for a server and disable all modules you don't need or switch off modules at all (like I did) - less code => less exploits
08:39<jordanm>Abddu: if it was installed for a recommends, it wouldn't display anything when being purged like that
08:39<thewanderer1>also, run the server in a virtual machine (KVM) or a container (OpenVZ), not on the desktop
08:39<SynrG>Abddu: is it a very old install, upgraded to the state it's in now? or a fresh install?
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08:42<SynrG>Abddu: we're talking about Debian Squeeze (6.0.x) right?
08:43<Abddu>thewanderer1: I just ran through whole the "Debian security" manual and I think I did everything I was capable of, including uninstalling anything I don't REALLY need&use, configuring iptables, firewall, _some_ kernel modules (as far as I understand), reviewing users/groups/permissions and such. What I lack now is a comprehensive security audit/integrity checks tools, too many to pick from
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08:44<thewanderer1>Abddu: rkhunter is what I use, works for me. but if you get owned, it's not gonna help at all
08:45<thewanderer1>Abddu: really, shield yourself from the SSH server using a container - OpenVZ or sth. so far, there's been only 1 exploit for OpenVZ, it's fairly good
08:45<Abddu>SynrG: It's a 10 days old or so install, squeeze. And I really mean it: i didn't install telnetd, so if it's not the system's default, some of other packages must have recommended and installed it (though I only installed some office tools, fav apps like opera and extensive tex-live environment).
08:46<Abddu>thewanderer1: the good thing is I can just switch the machine off or unplug it if being owned, it's not a "must be available" service. :D
08:46<thewanderer1>Abddu: if you need *real* security (not broken to date), see grsecurity, but that is a complex tool and requires learning. also, breaks every desktop app you can imagine.
08:47<SynrG>Abddu: the only thing i can think, if you really want to know why, is to go back through old /var/log/dpkg*
08:47<Abddu>SynrG: checking
08:47<SynrG>maybe you can find some nearby package in the log that is responsible
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08:48<SynrG>of course, if it was installed along with a lot of other stuff at the same time, pinning it down that way may be quite difficult
08:48<thewanderer1>the hardening tutorial is decent, but assumes that you apply every security fix that is available in a timely manner *and* that nobody accessing your system knows of a hole before it's patched (0-day)
08:49<thewanderer1>Abddu: I advise you to subscribe to debian-security-announce mailing lists. there is also Full Disclosure, although that's better read through RSS (some spam, lots of traffic). Invisible Things Lab blog is a nice read too.
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08:50<nadir>Abddu, did you try ' aptitude why telnet' ?
08:51<munga>I've configured quota on a laptop. Is there a way to send quota notifications via dbus to the user's desktop (gnome) ? quota sends emails, but this is not good enough. I want an annoying pop-up :)
08:51<ZykoticK9>Abddu, be sure to use "aptitude why telnetd" as telnet (client) is installed with base
08:51<thewanderer1>oh hi nadir, you had the dog with the sunglasses in your avatar, right? :P
08:51<nadir>right, hi.
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08:52<thewanderer1>munga: check the cronjob that sends the mail and fix it
08:53<munga>twobitsprite, you mean adding a call to libnotify ?
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08:54<Abddu>nadir: ZykoticK9: Yes, I tried it already: Unable to find a reason to install telnetd.
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08:55<Abddu>SynrG: Review the May log, it was installed along with like a thousand other packages upon installing kde
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08:55<roelof>hello, I reinstalled Debian Stable
08:55<roelof>But now my windows is missing
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08:55<roelof>How can I repair this ?
08:55<ZykoticK9>Abddu, perhaps "apt-cache depends telnetd" might help?
08:55<Abddu>SynrG: However I first installed kde, then uninstalled and installed kde-base (forgot originally).
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08:57<Abddu>ZykoticK9: It helped indeed. :D This is what I got: Depends: adduser, openbsd-inetd, <inet-superserver>, passwd, libc6,
08:58<hammer>anyone knows how to fix the failed to resume display after suspending on squeeze?
08:58<ZykoticK9>Abddu, well I'm glad it helps you - 'cause those look like base-style packages to me (and I certainly don't have telnetd installed on my systems)
08:59<ZykoticK9>Abddu, ahhh try rdepends instead of depends
08:59<Abddu>thewanderer1: Could you elaborate a tad on "breaks desktop apps"?
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08:59<Abddu>thewanderer1: I'll certainly have a look on openvz, even the name sound harsh, i like it. :D And rkhunter too, thank you.
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09:01<Abddu>ZykoticK9: Reverse depends: heimdal-servers, telnetd-ssl, krb5-telnetd, heimdal-servers, harden-servers - none of these mean anything to me though. :/
09:01<ZykoticK9>Abddu, well - I'm guessing, whatever heimdal-servers is requires telnetd
09:02<lee-0>Is there someone here who´s using courier-imap-ssl with exim as an MTA? Apparently, installing courier-imap-ssl will also install courier-base. The package description of courier-base says that package also installs some tcp-server daemon. I don´t think I want that server daemon ...
09:02<SynrG>roelof: if installed properly, grub should have detected your OS and added it to the menu
09:03<roelof>I know but It didn't
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09:03<Abddu>ZykoticK9: Seems it's part of KDE admin interface. :/
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09:03<SynrG>!grub2 config
09:03<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian and Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and (GRUB wiki).
09:03<ZykoticK9>Abddu, i don't use KDE - which would explain why it's not on my systems then.
09:03<favas>can i get ip from nmcli
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09:04<ZykoticK9>roelof, "update-grub2" to have it automatically try finding/adding windows
09:04<roelof>SynrG and ZykoticK9 thanks , It have added Win7 now
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09:05<SynrG>Abddu: is it at least configured to only accept local requests by default? if so, it may not be a big cause for alarm
09:06<SynrG>Abddu: but if it actually allows remote logins by default, that truly sucks :p
09:06<ZykoticK9>Abddu, you've just provided me another reasons not to like KDE ;)
09:07<Abddu>sylar: I uninstalled it. Long gone. :D
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09:07<Abddu>SynrG: above is for you. sylar: sorry. :)
09:07<SynrG>Abddu, ZykoticK9: read rdepends carefully. you want to know what *kind* of reverse dependency there is. e.g. heimdal-servers *conflicts* with telnetd
09:08<Abddu>ZykoticK9: Well, i don't enjoy Gnome for one single reason: lack of OK/Cancel buttons. :D
09:08<SynrG>so we haven't established that KDE installs telnetd by default
09:08<ZykoticK9>SynrG, thanks - my bad.
09:08<SynrG>it also provides 'telnet-server'
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09:12<antonio>what your name?
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09:42<SynrG>Abddu: which is why it's important to read the doc about false hits :)
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10:42<timeoh>Does anybody know how to disable the CRC check for the ethernet frame
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10:44<dseagrav>Hey, what's the magic incantation to tell parted to just manipulate the partition table instead of messing with the underlying filesystems? I want to resize an ext3 partition, parted refuses and says to use e2fsprogs instead, but resize2fs won't change the partition table.
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10:49<dseagrav>Failing that, is there some other tool that do this that doesn't involve installing x11?
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10:51<sney>dseagrav: if you only want to adjust the partition table itself, use cfdisk maybe
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10:53<jhutchins_lt> I think you'll find that resize2fs will do what you want, but the other method is to just use cfdisk then restore the data.
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10:54<dseagrav>jhutchins_lt: Are you sure? The manual page specifically says it doesn't.
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10:56<dseagrav>sney: fdisk and cfdisk can't resize a partition, just delete and make them. The manual page for both tells you to use parted instead.
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10:57<sney>well if you're reading man pages then you have more recent memories about the abilities of these programs than most of us
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10:58<dseagrav>I thought you were supposed to RTFM before bothering IRC.
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11:02<lee-0>When using IMAP with TLS, are passwords transferred encrypted?
11:02<sney>I certainly hope so
11:03<lee-0>So it´s like the TSL is started before any passwords are being transmitted?
11:03<urbanfbi>I've installed the chromium browser on debian squeeze. Now I want to install some extensions, but the extension page states, that my chromium browser is too old. How can I install a new version of chromium?
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11:04<sney>urbanfbi: you have 2 options. you can try using ssb to build the one from testing or sid, or you can install the build from google.
11:04<sney>judd: versions chromium-browser
11:04<judd>Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze5; sid: 11.0.696.71~r86024-1
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11:07<ellisgeek>Can someone help me with setting up kerbos and ldap authentication on my server?
11:08<ellisgeek>I have been folowing this tutorial:
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11:08<lee-0>sney, is it correct that for IMAP via TLS the same port, 143, is used as would be used for plain IMAP?
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11:09<SynrGy>ellisgeek: not if you don't tell us what your problem is
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11:09<sney>lee-0: I *think* so but check the docs to be sure. even just google a tutorial for setting up $emailclient for an imap/tls account
11:10<mjr>lee-0, yes, the command STARTTLS is issued before authenticating
11:10<mjr>(the old way was to use port 993 and do SSL negotiation right away)
11:11<lee-0>sney, I´m setting up the server, using courier-imap-ssl, and it´s working so far. I just want to make sure that all IMAP connections will be secure.
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11:11<ellisgeek>ok i keep ketting errors in my logs and i time out when calling kadmin
11:11<lee-0>mjr, since courier-imap-ssl still uses courier-imap, it seems possible that somehow insecure connections could be established ...
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11:12<sney>ellisgeek: and when you have errors in logs, and you want people on the internet to help you fix them, what do you do with the logs?
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11:12<sney>if your answer was "put them in a pastebin", you get bonus points.
11:12<ellisgeek>i am uploading them now
11:12<mjr>hmm, not sure about that actually. Just that it's completely kosher and secure to do TLS over port 143 using STARTTLS, but that doesn't preclude someone using it without, of course.
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11:14<lee-0>mjr, I think I can just test for it by trying to establish an insecure connection.
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11:14<ethack>hi everyone
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11:15<lee-0>If it works, I should be able to access my emails through my cell phone ... :)
11:15<ellisgeek>ok here you go logs:
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11:18<ellisgeek>and my kerbos config:
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11:25<ellisgeek>any one?
11:25*ellisgeek is forever alone :(
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11:26<MrFrood>ellisgeek: try in a few hours there is normally a few more hands helping out then
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11:28<triemtly1>in fstab I have such options are rw, user, noauto. How do I write these options in the udev rules to auto flash drives? Tried it with -o,-O, says there is no access
11:28<MrFrood>ellisgeek: you could also try #linux here or ##linux on freenode
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11:29<SynrG>ellisgeek: but if you do that, do be careful to state all of the relevant details up front
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11:37<diego>Hi, I have a problem, I found some old audio cds ... my debian will read them with no problems, I can copy all the tracks to my drive and play them but, for some reason (unknown so far) it won't play from the CD directly (CDs are not scratched and the same reader will play them with no problems even using a Windows on VirtualBox)
11:37<dseagrav>The saga so far, I seem to have run into a corner. Most of the people talking about doing this got around it by deleting the partitions and recreating them with cfdisk or fdisk, but someone has helpfully added a check to both of those to keep you from deleting a mounted filesystem so you can't do that anymore. parted has no mode to edit just the partition table - It was supposed to be added "soon" back in 2006.
11:37<diego>I can actually play from linux on command line "mplayer cdda://" but it will keep saying that it has to seek negative or something like that and the music jitters
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11:44<lee-0>What could be causing messages in the syslog about a redirected and advised path on a network interface?
11:45<lee-0>like: Redirect from on eth1 about ignored. Advised path = ->
11:45<lee-0>.20 is the IP of eth1
11:45<diego>route -n ?
11:46<lee-0>diego, I didn´t change anything with the routing.
11:46<lee-0>route -n shows normal output
11:47<lee-0>What I changed was setting up forwarding for port 143 in the router and accepting connections on port 143 in the shorewall rules.
11:47<lee-0>It seems these messages show up when I can observe a timeout in the IMAP client.
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11:47<lee-0>Well, not a timeout, but a delay.
11:48<diego>Your host is receiving ICMP redirect packets from the specified Ip address. An ICMP redirect is an error message sent by a router to the sender of an IP packet . Redirects are used when a router believes a packet is being routed sub optimally and it would like to inform the sending host that it should forward subsequent packets to that same destination through a different gateway.
11:48<diego>icmp redirect is only honored when it redirects to another host in your subnet. Unless you have a really large subnet, this looks like nonsense. The kernel will ignore it if it redirects you outside of your subnet.
11:49<lee-0>diego, thanks, I´ll look into that and try to understand it ...
11:49<diego>try blocking all ICMP traffic in your router, maybe that will stop the log
11:49<diego>(if you dont need icmp like ping)
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11:50<lee-0>diego, is there a way to figure out from which router the error message originates?
11:51<diego>probably the one on ... I guess you could sniff all the traffic with wireshark (aka ethereal)
11:51<lee-0>I know that my IPS changed out one of their routers because it showed intermittent problems. I´m suspecting the error is being reported by their router.
11:51<diego>and filter icmp packages
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11:52<diego>ohh, your isp may be doing ugly stuff ? hehe, all isps in my country do shitty stuff too
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11:52<lee-0>Ah. There isn´t anything on on my side. So this would indicate something on the side of my ISP, I guess.
11:53<diego>my isp was even sending RST packages when you were downloading big files so it would stop ... lame isps
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11:53<diego>yeah, I guess you could sniff with wireshark
11:53<lee-0>I could ask them about it.
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11:53<diego>if UK ISPs customer service is as bad as in Argentina, you will never find out with them ;)
11:54<lee-0>Their support is great :)
11:54<lee-0>Yet their router is even right if it figures that packages are routed suboptimally since it´s certainly not optimal to connect to my own computer via it´s external IP.
11:55<lee-0>I mean connect to it from itself to its external IP.
11:55<diego>hehe, you are connecting to your own network through the internet, that seems not optimal ;)
11:55<lee-0>yes, it´s for testing purposes
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11:56<diego>you might use a proxy to avoid the logs and testing if it connects from outside
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11:58<lee-0>It´s ok so far; I´ll try it from my cellphone shortly. I only need to find out if I have created an open relay.
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11:59<lee-0>ok, I haven´t :)
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12:05<darko>hey everyone, im not sure how to get the ethernet working on my x120e, any ideas on what to do?
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12:08<diego>darko: you mean wireless ?
12:08<dulcegatita>hay algien en español
12:09<diego>dulcegatita: si
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12:10<diego>darko: I'm reading that lenovo laptop has a realtek chipset (wireless) and you can download something from realtek website and compile it ... but it also says there is support from 2.6.38 kernel
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12:15<darko>sorry for the late response, actually i mean my ethernet
12:15<darko>and wireless
12:15<darko>but i'd like to get ethernet up first
12:16<darko>i think i need to load the firmware-realtek module, but im not quite sure how
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12:24<darko>ok, i got my ethernet to work, what should i do to get wireless?
12:25<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>.
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12:42<dseagrav>OK, I got my partition issue worked out.
12:43<dseagrav>I gave up, copied the MBR into a file, edited it with a hex editor, recalculated the partitions by hand, wrote it back, used fdisk to twiddle the bootable flag to cause linux to reread it
12:43<dseagrav>Good thing someone added protection in fdisk to keep me from doing something really stupid. -_-
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12:55<dseagrav>Anyway, I'm outta here. Have fun everyone (and if you can't have fun, fake it.)
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13:09<shadenzo>i have made a local reposittory in a usb harddrive with the packages in the cache from the A pc . then i go to the B pc , plug the usb harddrive , insert the repo in the end of sources.list and start installation of a lot of package . they should be taken from the usb harddrive but instead they are downloaded from the net . do i have to put the local repo in top of sources.list ? in case two repo have the same ide
13:09<shadenzo>ntical packege how do u know where is downloaded from ?
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13:10<shadenzo>* where is taken from
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13:24<retrospectacus>shadenzo: use ''apt-cache policy packagename'' to see where it prefers to be fetched from
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13:28<shadenzo>retrospectacus ok i have hundreds of packets in the local repo . i'd like to prioritize the local repo among all , it that way i will not have to download the same packet every install i do is it possible ?
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13:32<rpetre>shadenzo: read the manpage of apt_preferences and see about pins and priorities
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13:33<rpetre>take note that there are some hardcoded thresholds you wouldn't want to cross
13:34<rpetre>(iirc priorities below 0 and over 1000 generate a lot of funkiness if you don't know what you're doing)
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13:36<retrospectacus>shadenzo: easiest solution that comes to mind is to remove the regular repo entirely
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13:52<shadenzo>ok thanks
13:53<retrospectacus>the priority thing is the correct solution but I am not sure how to do it
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14:00<byakko>hi everybody, definetly i preffer irssi than ircii, at least i know how to move from one window to another :P
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14:01<byakko>anybody knows how to change the meta key in xterm for the irssi? i was just checking but i cant manage to find how all i can find is how to change a weird setting on the xterm config file
14:01<diego>Hi, I just bought a new laptop and I installed debian but it does not have all the packages my old laptop has (still) cause I didn't install them ... is there any way to get a list of installed packages in my old laptop
14:01<diego>and then I will just aptitude install all of them
14:02<diego>I just want to have all the same packages and move my home and Im done
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14:02<jordanm>!aptitude clone
14:02<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>.
14:02<byakko>diego if you open aptitude you can see the packets you have installed
14:02<Black_Prince>!debian clone
14:02<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>.
14:02<Black_Prince>Oh ...
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14:03<diego>cool, thanks :D
14:03<byakko>quite better response than mine hehe
14:04<dpkg>i heard irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
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14:08<timeoh>Does anybody know if ethtool can disable the procedure for checking CRC ethernet frames? in ethtool its calles rx/tx-checksumming. i guess i can switch of the crc check but on the other hand i guess the OS adopts the calculation?
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14:09<diego>I though CRC checking was done by hardware to improve performance ... will the network interface let bad checksums reach more than OSI layer 1 ?
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14:15<jhutchins_lt>Why would you do that?
14:16<diego>so, I was looking at the ways to clone a debian computer, and it seems 'dpkg --get-selections' finds more installed packages than "aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'"
14:16<diego>for instance, dpkg is finding zlib1g-dev but aptitude does not :S
14:17<diego>it seems the regex wont match 'i A zlib1g-dev' (i A) ... are those installed automatically with dependencies ?
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14:20<diego>"aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i" does return the same as "dpkg --get-selections" (without deinstalls)
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14:31<edbian>I tried to burn a DVD yesterday. For some reason it was not going well. Can anyone make sense of this log report that occured during a failed attempt? I see the write error, what I need to know is, why was there a write error?
14:32<edbian>I'll be right back
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14:38<byakko>anybody knows how to share the buffer between the terminals and the X?
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14:41<lindi-_>byakko: what do you mean?
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14:42<byakko>lindi-_ so if i copy a line here i can copy it back in the firefox for example
14:43<lindi-_>byakko: ah you mean linux virtual consoles?
14:44<byakko>lindi-_ yes, im using scrotwm with irssi so if i want to open a link on firefox i cant do it coz the buffer is different or i dont know how to copy on this consoles that can also be
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14:46<errr>when I run dpk -l there are ii and rc next to the package names.. what man page describes what those mean?
14:46<diego>edbian: sometimes happens when you select max speed possible, try with a lower speed
14:46<diego>edbian: if the dvd says 16x maybe you can give 12x a try
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14:47<edbian>diego: Ok thanks. It's annoying to keep ruining DVDs to figure it out
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14:48<diego>edbian: yeah :( ... what I usually do to make the writing faster
14:48<diego>is generating an ISO image first
14:48<diego>instead of writing files on the fly
14:48<diego>then I just write it with 'dd'
14:49<chealer>errr: dpkg-query(1)
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14:49<errr>chealer: thanks! I was looking through dpkg and not finding it :)
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14:50<edbian>diego: What would the dd command look like? dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/dvd ?
14:50<edbian>diego: I always make an iso
14:50<lindi-_>byakko: sounds confusing
14:51<lindi-_>byakko: scrotwm is a window manager. it shouldn't have anything to do with terminals or clipboard?
14:51<byakko>lindi-_ i know, but when i use xterm and i want to paste in firefox it doesnt paste anything, probably i dont know how to copy
14:52<lindi-_>byakko: aha. that's because xterm does not support clipboard
14:52<lindi-_>byakko: you might want to use gnome-terminal instead
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14:52<lindi-_>byakko: (xterm users usually use "primary selection" which you can access with middle mouse button)
14:53<byakko>lindi-_: the problem is that i dont have middle button in the laptop's touchpad
14:53<lindi-_>byakko: yeah, use gnome-terminal :)
14:53<jordanm>byakko: both buttons at the same time should emulate the 3rd button
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14:54<byakko>jordanm: it worked but it copied to the message line on the irss
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14:55<byakko>so basically that means that from xterm i cant copy to firefox
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14:57<ml|>highlight the text to be copied left click and middle click on another app to paste, should work
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14:58<MrFrood>byakko: try shift+left button
14:58<byakko>ok, now i understand the trick
14:58<bekesis>my xchat tell me: "unauthorized connection" but why? I dont know what is it...
14:59<byakko>i should highlight first, change to firefox and then hit the two buttons and it works
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14:59<MrFrood>urxvt has clickable links ;)
14:59<ml|>es it does :)
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15:01<byakko>ty for the help everyone
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15:16<lindi-_>mmarco: urxvt does not support clipboard very well either afaik :(
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15:16<lindi-_>xterm clipboard wishlist bug is at
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15:24<MrFrood>lindi-_: I have no issues with urxvt & clipboard but I do use Parcellite as well
15:24<lindi-_>MrFrood: my point is that you are not using clipboard, you are using primary selection
15:25<lindi-_>MrFrood: that is, you can't change what "xclip -o -selection clipboard" outputs
15:25<MrFrood>as long as it works I'm not really boothered :-/
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15:27<MrFrood>Parcellite seems to sink things up so stuff ends up in my clipboard
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15:30<timeoh>diego: Yes it is done by hardware. but i am looking for a way to disable the crc
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15:34<jhutchins_lt>timeoh: Why?
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15:38<timeoh>jhutchins_lt: Just for a scientific investigation.
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15:38<timeoh>jhutchins_lt: In concernt to using FEC
15:39<timeoh>jhutchins_lt: But i cant use FEC when i have crc frame checking enabled. the layer will discard the packet.
15:40<timeoh>jhutchins_lt: the crc/layer2 does not know that ther is a packet which is encoded with FEC parity.
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15:49<edbian>What package is responsible for the notifications in gnome on squeeze??
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15:52<Black_Prince>edbian, notification-daemon
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15:52<edbian>Black_Prince: Thanks. If a notification is so large that it is larger than the resolution the window manager will crash
15:52<Black_Prince>and libnotify between application and daemon
15:53<edbian>I'm submitting the bug report right now
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17:14<Osiris_X>is there any benefit to managing CPU frequency scaling in userspace?
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17:36<robin>is anyone aviable ?
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17:36<daemonkeeper>Hi robin, please ask straight ahead
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17:38<robin>I want to know what the best linux destrubtion is
17:38<sney>you found it
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17:38<daemonkeeper>Or more serious: Use whatever feels best for you. There is not a "right" answer for this question.
17:39<daemonkeeper>Obviously most here would agree in Debian being the best.
17:39<robin>I like Debian
17:39<daemonkeeper>You shouldn't wonder you get another reply in #ubuntu or #fedora
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17:39<robin>but I dont find many software for debian
17:39<robin>and the flash player is slowly
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17:40<daemonkeeper>Debian has the largest software repository among all distributions.
17:40<robin>I dont find firefox 4.0.1
17:40<sney>firefox is called iceweasel in debian
17:41<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>.
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17:42<robin>why is it called iceweasel in debian ?
17:42<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader.
17:42<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell robin about why iceweasel
17:43<robin>are you bots or realpersons ?
17:44<daemonkeeper>We're all bots
17:44<themill>daemonkeeper: botsnack
17:44<ZykoticK9>daemonkeeper, turing test complete ;)
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17:44<daemonkeeper>Yes, I have advanced AI
17:45<robin>who is your programmer ?
17:45<daemonkeeper>themill is my master
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17:49<robin>so i can ask you questions always i want
17:49<Osiris_X>themill is infact the on-line alter ego of Philip K. Dick (there are no truth in the rumours that he died in 1982 ,,, that was merely his fleshy outer-being)
17:49<daemonkeeper>!off topic
17:49<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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17:50<meebey>oh this isn't #debian-offtopic? eh
17:50<Black_Prince>That would be like hell ... But, everytime someone says 'go to hell' to me I come right here.
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17:52<robin>where is the german channel?
17:52<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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17:52<Black_Prince>daemonkeeper: .rehash
17:53<daemonkeeper>Black_Prince: ok
17:53<jakob>hi, which would be the best channel to get help to spinning down disks
17:54<robin>I dont know to connect to channel
17:54<nyov>robin: /join
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19:05<DrivenMad>hello all :)
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19:06<retrospectacus>hello DrivenMad
19:06<DrivenMad>Can anyone tell me how i can add apt-get into a squeeze install? I know a regualr install or vmware image will ahve it.. but when i use the armel version apt-get is not there. Any ideas?
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19:09*retrospectacus has never heard of a debian install with no apt-get command
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19:09<sney>though you could probably grab it from p.d.o
19:09<DrivenMad>hehe i know right!!
19:09<retrospectacus>yes if you can get a apt-get.deb somwhere and dpkg -i it
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19:10<DrivenMad>I am pushing squeeze onto a original droid. it is on there and runs great!!! I jsut formated a aprtiton on a sd card to ext2 and it was easy from there :)
19:10<DrivenMad>awesome idea reto, thank you!!
19:11<dpkg> - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or in some contexts. Maybe even
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19:11<retrospectacus>packages, sney meant
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19:18<jhutchins_lt>DrivenMad: If you weren't following a step-by-step for that, could you maybe write one?
19:19<retrospectacus>yeah sounds pretty sweet. My employer will be replacing my iPhone with a 'droid soon and I'd love to put debian on it :)
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19:27<jasonsmr>hello channel
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19:28<jasonsmr>where is a good place to find a packaged kernel for debian kernel 2.6.33 at least?
19:28<jasonsmr>maybe sid?
19:29<thewanderer1>!tell jasonsmr about backports
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19:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
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19:35<dvs>no 3.0?
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19:35<abrotman>dvs: see #debian-kernel perhaps? :)
19:36<retrospectacus>3.0 .. wasn't 3.0-rc1 just released (announced?) like, yesterday?
19:36<dvs>yes, so where is it? ;-)
19:37<retrospectacus> ;P
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19:38<DrivenMad>sorry afk, I would be glad to write a howto for that one i get it all figured out :)
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19:40<retrospectacus>DrivenMad: awesome, really appreciated :)
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19:47<DrivenMad>yikes,, dpkg says : dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read on buffer copy for failed to write to pipe in copy dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 dpkg: error processing apt_0.8.10.3_armel.deb (--install): short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/apt/methods/lzma' Errors were encountered while process
19:47<DrivenMad>oops sorry for the big paste
19:47<abrotman>DrivenMad: is your drive full ?
19:47<abrotman>package corrupt?
19:48<DrivenMad>im thinking package corrupt.. df says i have 3 gigs left
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19:48<DrivenMad>i will try to get it on there again :)
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19:52<DrivenMad>man ... armel ditro is seriuosly lacking stuff.. not even wget in it :)
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19:52<MrFrood>curl ..?
19:52<DrivenMad>i think i should attempt compiling my own armel
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20:06<famelix>hola desde México
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20:22<mjt>is there a service to mount remote systems (eg nfs)? I know about /etc/fstab but if the server is not available during boot the boot stalls there, even with "bg" option - it just sits there. Maybe a bug in mount too.
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20:25<thewanderer1>mjt: have a look at autofs
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20:25<mjt>that's exactly which i'm trying to avoid because it does not work :)
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20:26<thewanderer1>heh. so your own "daemon" in bash?
20:26<mjt>it turned all my mounts into nfs4 mounts -- actual mount options from /proc/mounts are not the same as i specified in auto map. Eg, i explicitly specified -fstype=nfs,nfsvers=3, but it mounts nfs4 filesystem
20:27<thewanderer1>it would ping the server periodically until it responds, and then mount the fs and quit
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20:27<mjt>i just straced mount with bg flag - it completely ignores any timeouts
20:27<mjt>it sits in mount(2) syscall
20:29<mjt>i especially tried to mount a non-existing host. Aha, it exited, after ~5 minutes sitting in mount(2) - and no, bg is NOT handled still.
20:29<Arrowmaster>whats the bg flag? i cant find it in the mount man page?
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20:29<mjt>mount(...) = -1 EIO (Input/output error)
20:29<mjt>mount.nfs: mount system call failed
20:29<mjt>that's nfs-common
20:29<mjt>man 5 nfs
20:29<mjt>it's been this way (but non-broken) for some 20 years :)
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20:30<Arrowmaster>whats your fstab entry?
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20:31<mjt>mount /mnt/test -t nfs -o bg
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20:32<Arrowmaster>and that fails when the server is offline?
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20:32<mjt> does not exist ;)
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20:32<mjt>that sits there for some 5 minutes and finally fails
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20:33<mjt>if there several of them, each is waited for that time in turn,.
20:33<mjt>this is wrong channel for this "discussion"
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20:34<mjt>mount.nfs program does several things wrong
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20:36<mjt>ditto for autofs5 :)
20:36<mjt>and kernel, too. sigh.
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20:40<abrotman>that was funny indeed
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20:43<nasuta-work>!ctell abrotman ot
20:43<nasuta-work>!tell abrotman ot
20:43<abrotman>that was funny indeed
20:44<nasuta-work>abrotman is a bot?
20:44<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
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21:07<nasuta-work>abrotman: yes, right
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21:50<canaima>buenas como hago para que funcione el microfono de mi canaimita¡?
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21:53<hyr4x>I installed #! and as soon as it booted up, it showed all the wireless networks in range. Then I found my network and entered my password, and it said I connected and the icon showed that I was connected, but I could not connect to the Internet and all of a sudden I was disconnected and prompted for the WPA password again as if the first one were wrong. I have a stupid broadcom and here are the specs
21:53<hyr4x>If anyone can help
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21:55<hyr4x>I've always had problems with Linux and my wireless card
21:55<nasuta-work>hyr4x: the link is empty...
21:55<nasuta-work>test it
21:55<nasuta-work>but i found it
21:55<hyr4x>i just did
21:57<hyr4x>My wireless card is a Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card which is apparently just a rebranded Broadcom 4312
21:57<nasuta-work>i see
21:57<abrotman>hyr4x: this channel is not for crunchbang support
21:57<hyr4x>Where can I go?
21:57<abrotman>!tell hyr4x about crunchbang
21:58<nasuta-work>arch on freenode
21:58<abrotman>nasuta-work: please be quiet
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22:00<nasuta-work>damn, crunchbang is not archbang...
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22:00<nasuta-work>sorry, abrotman
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22:04<Icay>Is this an appropriate channel to ask a shell scripting question?
22:04<nasuta-work>forgive me abrotman
22:04<CcSsNET>this is a great place to ask non debian questions
22:04<CcSsNET>abrotman will behave himself
22:04<abrotman>Icay: you can try, there is also #bash on
22:05<abrotman>CcSsNET: knock it off
22:06<nasuta-work>The needle tears a hole...
22:09<Icay>how can I execute a function key press in a shell script, bash. This function key happens to active the wireless card.
22:10<abrotman>Icay: google had nothing ?
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22:13<_spOOn_>Icay, someone here ( is doing a very similar thing, but to increase backlight on their laptop
22:13<_spOOn_>perhaps that will help?
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22:14<_spOOn_>otherwise how about acpi-fakekey?
22:16<Icay>Wow acpi fake key looks a promising direction. Thanks
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22:48<sneakers>Which version of Xfce comes with Debian stable?
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22:50<abrotman>sneakers: could tell you
22:50<ml|>judd versions xfce4
22:50<judd>Package xfce4 on i386 -- lenny:; lenny-backports:; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid:; wheezy:
22:51<ml|>sneakers: ^
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22:51<sneakers>Will 4.8 go into squeeze?
22:52<ml|>maybe later if it's backported
22:52<Hydroxide>sneakers: no, no new versions of software (except security or critical bug fixes) will go into squeeze. but a squeeze-backports version might exist
22:52<Hydroxide>at some point
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22:53<Hydroxide>heh, that was brief
22:53<hyr4x>okay guys, well can we pretend like i have debian for a second? could someone explain to me what i can do to fix my bcm4312 issue?
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22:54<ml|>hyr4x: no pretends here
22:54<Hydroxide>hyr4x: we can't pretend that, because the answer is almost certainly different for whatever you're using. even with ubuntu that's often true
22:54<hyr4x>so i can't just follow a guide on fixing this for debian?
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22:54<hyr4x>for crunchbang?
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22:55<Hydroxide>hyr4x: quite possibly. or quite possibly not. we have no way of knowing unless we happen to be crunchbang experts, in which case we'd probably be in some IRC channel for crunchbang right now
22:55<ml|>did you try #crunchbang on freenode?
22:55<hyr4x>i did
22:55<Hydroxide>hyr4x: often the guides for debian, ubuntu, crunchbang, etc need some modification to work for other distros
22:55<hyr4x>i haven't gotten any help yet
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22:56<ml|>wait? ;)
22:56<hyr4x>Hydroxide: alright
22:56<Hydroxide>hyr4x: and we can't be responsible for knowing crunchbang in #debian, just like they can't be responsible for knowing debian there
22:56<hyr4x>that's fine, just seeing if anyone knows
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22:56<ml|>hyr4x: /msg dpkg bod
22:56<Hydroxide>hyr4x: for distros with smaller communities like crunchbang, you may have to wait longer for help in their IRC channel than for distros with larger communities like centos, ubuntu, or debian
22:57<Hydroxide>hyr4x: or use email with whatever mailing lists they have, or forums, etc. (debian also offers those options for debian users who want them. crunchbang might too.)
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22:57<hyr4x>they do
22:58<dux>how do i get phys addr from virt addr ?
22:59<Hydroxide>everyone for every distro gives support in their spare time unless you're paying them, so patience (and cooperation and politeness) is usually necessary. I had a long wait to get some help with gnucash recently, but it worked out in the end. (not here, in gnucash's support channel on gimpnet)
22:59<Hydroxide>I figured it out myself, but with help from them.
22:59<Hydroxide>since I worked on solving it myself too. that's the best way.
22:59<ml|>yep and patience helps
22:59*Hydroxide nods
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23:00<Hydroxide>in my case it was complicated since I got disconnected due to a scheduled downtime on the computer I was IRCing from, but that's not their fault :) I went back several days later, apologized for anyone who saw repeats and explained why, and asked again.
23:01<ml|>that's a good way to get help :)
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23:02*ml| whispers patience ;)
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23:59<hyr4x>okay, i'm back with a legitimate debian-oriented question
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