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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-06-03

---Logopened Fri Jun 03 00:00:21 2011
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00:01<kevke_buntu>I just figured out, that most of it (educated guess) is found in l&f
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00:11<kingsley>If I reconfigure the ubiquitous "eth0" to work as a bridge, would it be reasonable to expect that one of Debian's gajillion networking applications would go (Warning! Highly technical word follows!) "Kaboom"?
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00:19<prem>whenever i try to open synaptic it shows "Failed to communicate with gksu-run-helper." error
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00:21<sney>kingsley: n-m almost definitely would. wicd might also. I don't know what else makes up your gajillion, but interfaces would likely be fine
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00:24<Silicium01>My flashplayer (nonfree) started crashing when I try to make it full screen
00:24<kingsley>sney: What is "n-m"?
00:24<sney>network-mangler!
00:24<Silicium01>Have you guys experienced this? is there a fix?
00:24<sney>Silicium01: haven't seen that one, no
00:25<Silicium01>I was messing around with switching my display adapter the other day, I wonder if that has something to do with it
00:25<Wyzard>network-manager woudn't go "kaboom", it would just ignore the bridge
00:26<Wyzard>It ignores interfaces that are configured statically in /etc/network/interfaces
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00:30<soloflyer>Silicium01: what browser are you using and how is it crashing? is it taking out the browsxer or just crashing the plugin?
00:30<Silicium01>soloflyer, in any browser, only the plugin crashes and shows crashed plugin sign and text
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00:32<soloflyer>Silicium01: 32bit or 64 bit or 64bit using the 32bit wrapper?
00:32<Silicium01>32 bit afaik
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00:34<Silicium01>soloflyer, sney apt-get removed the plugin and reinstalled it. Now it works
00:34<Silicium01>hmm
00:35<soloflyer>Silicium01: *shrug*
00:35<sney>minor file corruption
00:35<sney>file under shit happens
00:36<soloflyer>Silicium01. sney or reinstall updated nonfree flashplugin which fixed a bug?
00:37<Silicium01>I was talking to you and sney. I reinstalled the plugin and it works now
00:38<soloflyer>:)
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00:52<r3m>Hi, is there a way to hide my host on oftc
00:52<akerl>Wrong channel :p You want #oftc
00:52<akerl>But I think you know that :)
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00:52<sney>I believe they do have a vhost service anyway
00:53<sney>didn't want us all knowing he's in Montreal
00:54<soloflyer> :)
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00:59<mansi>friends one doubt in bash....what does the line starting with colon ( : ) specify? I mean in example 'dialog' script in debian I see lines like these:
00:59<mansi>: ${DIALOG_OK=0}
00:59<mansi>: ${DIALOG_CANCEL=1}
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01:03<soloflyer>mansi: where was that?
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01:05<rjsalts>mansi: you mean ${parameter:-word}
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01:07<rjsalts>mansi: and ${parameter:=word}?
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01:07<mansi><soloflyer> i installed the "dialog" utility, which i need to use to developm some control panel for our firewall. in /usr/share/doc/dialog/examples i saw such lines
01:07<soloflyer>man bash SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS
01:08<soloflyer>: [arguments]
01:08<soloflyer>No effect; the command does nothing beyond expanding arguments and performing any specified redirections. A zero exit code is returned.
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01:10<mansi><soloflyer> and <rjsalts> ohh gr8... thanks for the help :)
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01:11<mansi>the example scripts in /usr/share/doc/dialog/examples seems highly useful for learning advanced bash concepts
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01:12<mansi>and BASH is much more that i expected. hehe...... just now only i looked at the man page ;)
01:12<mansi>its complicated, in a sense
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01:14<mansi>null command [colon]. This is the shell equivalent of a "NOP" (no op, a do-nothing operation). It may be considered a synonym for the shell builtin true. The ":" command is itself a Bash builtin, and its exit status is true (0).
01:14<mansi>I got this from TLDP
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01:15<soloflyer>mansi: ahh that makes a lot more sense than the man page :)
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01:17<rjsalts>well [ .. ] is the bash builtin for test
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01:17<mansi>soloflyer: yeh true :)
01:18<mansi>this seems useful "http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/special-chars.html"
01:19<soloflyer>mansi: fun you should say that... i have that same page up in front of me at the moment :P
01:19<soloflyer>s/fun/funny/
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01:19<rjsalts>if you think bash is crazy you should check out http://dod.codeplex.com/
01:20<mansi>soloflyer: cool
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01:22<soloflyer>rjsalts: im going to have nightmares...
01:23<rjsalts>soloflyer: it's a joke taken too far ;) but they seem to have lost the FAQ which said "if you can't trust random strangers on the internet then who can you trust?"
01:23<rjsalts>ah, that's at http://secretgeek.net/dod_intro.asp
01:24<rjsalts>So far I haven't run into any performance problems. Whenever I've opened up a DoD website to several users, my hard drive tends to get wiped long before I discover performance issues.
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01:27<soloflyer>rjsalts: LOL
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02:06<opalepatrick>Is 80.82.125.23 down?
02:06<opalepatrick>ignore wrong channel
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02:09<ZverCo>there is russina-debian's
02:09<ZverCo>?
02:09<ZverCo>there /join?
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02:14<jm_>!ru
02:14<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
02:15<ZverCo>sps
02:15<ZverCo>!ru
02:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
02:15<ZverCo>!ger
02:16<ZverCo>!eng
02:16<ZverCo>!op
02:16<ZverCo>thx
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02:21<vital>oe debian
02:22<vital>puedes ayudarme con un problema que tengo
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02:27<dkim>hi
02:28<dkim>is anybody here?
02:28<ompaul>dkim: hang on, I'll check
02:28<ompaul>!ask
02:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:28<dkim>!ask
02:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:29<dkim>good
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02:36<dkim>#hi
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03:08<linux-fox>hi ,all
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03:50<misch>Hi. I have a problem using apt. Error: Encountered a section with no Package: header. Is this the right channel to ask?
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03:52<devil>misch: something wrong in /var/lib/apt/lists probably
03:53<misch>deleted it and did a apt-get update again. Same result.
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03:55<devil>hmm
03:55<mjt>or in /var/lib/dpkg/status
03:55<misch>sources.list is only deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
03:55<mjt>is dpkg -l ok?
03:55<misch>everything else deleted already.
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03:55<misch>dpkg -l runs ok.
03:55<dpkg>No packages found matching runs ok.
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03:57<misch>deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status. Same result.
03:57<misch>Reading package lists... Error!
03:57<misch>E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
03:57<jm_>only a fool would delete /var/lib/dpkg/status
03:57<mjt>um!
03:57<mjt>er
03:58<mjt>i thought about mentioning to NOT delete it, but hoped it's obvious... :(
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03:58<misch>ok. reinstall.
03:58<devil>right, deleting /status is a very bad idea
03:58<misch>anyway. same problem on the second machine.
03:59<mjt>misch: you've /var/lib/dpkg/status-old
03:59<mjt>you may rename it to /status
03:59<devil>misch: did you install a software on both machines lately?
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03:59<mjt>misch: and you also may have /var/backup/dpkg.status.0
03:59<misch>problem with mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-en
04:00<misch>devil: Yes. about one hour ago.
04:00<devil>misch: that might be your culprit
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04:00<mjt>um, what?
04:00<misch>CD: debian-6.0.1a-amd64-netinst.iso
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04:01<misch>devil: hot to get out?
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04:01<misch>devil: Any idea how to get my debian system running?
04:02<mjt>restore /status, run `apt-get update -o Acquire::Languages=none', and it should work.
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04:04<misch>mjt: seems to work.
04:04<mjt>you'll have to reinstall the last software you installed
04:04<mjt>because status-old does not have refs to it
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04:05<mjt>apparenty there's error in the "en" file mentioned, which is at ftp.debian.org
04:05<misch>I am reinstalling the machine. That's faster.
04:05<misch>not only at ftp.debian.org. I tried several mirrors. All have the same problem.
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04:06<mjt>faster, hehe
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04:07<woo441>Started a fresh Debian 6 on server yesterday. Changed hostname by echo newhostname > /etc/hostname. hostname -F /etc/hostname. #SET_HOSTNAME='yes' in /etc/default/dhcpcd. For some reason the hostname that I started with has come back today even though the new hostname stuck yesterday
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04:22<misch>devil: Any bug report the the package needed?
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04:41<sosaited>I am trying to install Iceweasel 4 in Squeeze by following http://mozilla.debian.net/ , but during the key retrieval step, when I enter "wget -O- -q http://mozilla.debian.net/archive.asc | gpg --import", in the end I am getting "gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found"
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04:43<ml|>woo441: /msg dpkg hostname
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04:45<woo441>ml|: what does that mean?
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04:48<ml|>woo441: type that in your irc client and then look for a window or tab with the name dpkg and read
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04:49<woo441>thanks
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04:50<mjt>ml|: what woo441 is supposed to do with that dpkg factoid? Setting hostname involves changing /etc/hostname (any way to edit that file will do, as long as the result is a file with the desired host name in it)
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04:51<ml|>mjt: I understand that what woo441 did should work, following the factiod and/or wiki might provide a clue as to why it did not work
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04:52<sosaited>Can someone please tell how to use http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jc/wotsap/search.html to check the keys while install iceweasel 4
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05:56<JanVB>hi, I have a broken system I'm trying to recover from
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05:57<JanVB>it fails to boot with the following error-message: mount: mounting /dev/mapper/dev1-root on /root/ failed: No such file or directory
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05:57<JanVB>if I try "mount /dev/mapper/dev1-root /root" it fails with that message
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05:57<JanVB>but if I try "mount -t ext2 /dev/mapper/dev1-root /root" it works
05:58<JanVB>the initramfs is probably missing some files since the system crashed and files were damaged in the process, but I can't figure out which files it's missing
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06:03<jm_>why not recreate it if you think that's the problem
06:03<JanVB>because I can't get into my system properly
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06:03<JanVB>I can mount the root fs, but I can't mount /var
06:03<JanVB>also
06:03<jm_>why not?
06:03<JanVB>I had an older working kernel/initramfs
06:03<JanVB>which got fucked up when I did boot it, and ran update-initramfs
06:04<JanVB>so updating it only got me into more trouble
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06:06<JanVB>because the /dev/mapper/*-var device doesn't exist
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06:10*JanVB hits busybox
06:10<JanVB>argh
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06:10<JanVB>mount is a busybox built-in or what? can't even strace the bloody thing :S
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06:11<jm_>yes
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06:11<jm_>and it needs -t
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06:27<Anaa>hoola
06:27<Andrea>tiaaaaaa
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06:28<Anaa>diimee
06:28<Guest3270>:)
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06:29<Guest3270>killa jajaja veraas tu er miki este ( er profeso digo xd) killa que nos va a pilla
06:29<Guest3270>xd
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06:29<Anaa>hoolaa
06:30<Guest3270>hello :)
06:30<Anaa>:)
06:30<Guest3270>tiaaaaa xd
06:30<Anaa>diime
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06:31<babilen>Anaa, Guest3270: Stop it please.
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06:32<Guest3270>tuquien eres??
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06:32<Anaa>what?
06:32<@Ganneff>!es
06:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:32-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by Ganneff
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06:32<Anaa>bye
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06:33<XayOn>... oh, my god, they're from the south of spain for sure. "er miki" "killa"
06:34<@babilen>XayOn: Happens frequently, don't pay too much attention. (It also was the same person)
06:34<XayOn>babilen: I've seen it lots of time, probably cause public institutes there having debian-based distros installed with xchat as "Chat" on the menu.
06:35-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by babilen
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06:35<babilen>XayOn: Exactly -- If you are interested in further details → #debian-offtopic, but there is actually not much to say about it.
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06:47<saa>hi all)
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06:48<babilen>saa: welcome!
06:48<saa>Do you speak Russian?
06:49<saa>)
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06:49<babilen>!ru
06:49<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian or use English here.
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06:49<babilen>saa: I speak a little but but #debian-ru is the russian channel. You can, however, speak English in here.
06:49<saa>Супер! <babilen> с Wine разбираешься?
06:50<saa>!кг
06:50<saa>!ru
06:50<babilen>saa: Type "/join #debian-ru" to join the russian channel.
06:50<xDDD>xd
06:50<saa><babilen> Thanks)
06:50<xDDD>cabroneeeeeeeeeeees
06:50<babilen>no, "/join #debian-russian"
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06:51<xDDD>Hello
06:51<babilen>xDDD: Please try to stay on-topic. Do you have a Debian related question?
06:51<saa>I`am understand) Thank/
06:51<babilen>saa: Poka!
06:51<saa>Poka)
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06:51-!-saa [~saa@ip44.118.dars-ip.ru] has left #debian [Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)]
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06:54<xDDD>k dise tonta hijadepeera
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06:56<cthuluh> could someone ban xDDD please?
06:56<cthuluh>(or at least kick him)
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06:57<xDDD>ijos de putaa xDD
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06:57<Anaa>yaa
06:57<Anaa>olaa
06:57<xDDD>olaaa cabrones
06:57<Anaa>hello
06:57<Anaa>jajaja
06:57<cthuluh>!ops Anaa xDDD
06:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cthuluh complains about: Anaa xDDD
06:57<xDDD>eeeiii qee pasaaa ??
06:58<Anaa>laa gentee estaa to locaa jajajja
06:58<xDDD>jajaja Siii :D
06:58<xDDD>poor eso estamoos aqii jajajaa
06:58<babilen>!es-social xDDD
06:58<dpkg>xDDD: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
06:58<xDDD>un pin?
06:58-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Ana@95.63.80.*] by Ganneff
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06:58<cthuluh>thanks
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06:59<andreita>olaaa
06:59<cthuluh>*sigh*
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06:59-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@95.63.80.*] by Ganneff
07:00<babilen>ta!
07:00<XayOn_>...
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07:08<Zaba>hm.. I wonder, is the thinkpad_acpi module supposed to be autoloaded for systems where it's appropriate?
07:10<babilen>Zaba: It is loaded automaticallyo my T60 fwiw
07:10<babilen>Zaba: If it is not on your box, you can add it to /etc/modules
07:10<Zaba>that's what I did
07:10<Zaba>but I still wonder what's meant to autoload it and why it doesn't
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07:33<Benjamin>is this server empty or is everyone silent.
07:33<Benjamin>i guess it`s everyone.
07:34<jm_>empty? didn't you see number of users when you connected?
07:34<mjt>this server? is that your server?
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07:35<Keessince1988>debian is just running fine, no one is complaining ;-)
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08:04<cris>ola
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08:05<mario>ola
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08:05<@Ganneff>!es
08:05<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:05<cris>es que llo lovalgoo
08:06<cris>mario pero disimula tio
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09:06<slush>I want to index a tree of directories and show the contents as webpages, without the ability to click the files for downloading (as what apache mod_index would do). Anybody here that knows something for that?
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09:08<jordanm>slush: you could probablyt use mod_index and add deny rules to the files
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09:10<slush>hmhm, probably .. but that's kinda hackish, I'd like a neat thingy
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09:11<slush>wouldnt take much to put something together myself, but if something already exists I don't have to reinvent it ;)
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09:11<jordanm>doesn't sound like a common goal to me, but perhaps
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09:12<Zaba>does it make sense to have both anacron and cron on the same system?
09:12<mjt>they co-exists nicely
09:13<jordanm>by default anacron handles the /etc/cron.* stuff
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09:14<Zaba>well, my system is certainly not going to run 24/7, so I guess I want anacron to do that
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09:15<Zaba>oh wait, I've just realized that the default crontab checks for anacron's existence.
09:15<Zaba>that answers my question..
09:16<mjt>that's how they co-exists ;)
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09:34<ubuntu__>hi all!
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09:35<ubuntu__>I have an off topic question here
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09:35<ompaul>offtopic is in #debian-offtopic
09:35<grummund>Hi, Sanity check required please... to connect to a FTP server in passive mode the server must have all ports >1023 *not* firewalled, right?
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09:36<ompaul>grummund: ftp is much lower than 1023 check your /etc/services
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09:37<ompaul>grummund: and you will have a path out on a high port to their low port
09:37<grummund>ompaul: but for *passive* mode...
09:37<ompaul>for all modes http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
09:38<grummund>ompaul: yes, i just read that.
09:38<ompaul>grummund: and it could be any port over 1024 that you go out on
09:38<ubuntu__>see I have pretty old computers, but for my PC I got a new monitor. I also had to buy a new cable for that and someone bought for me a cable which is svga and it says on it, that, it's HDD. As far as I know, the monitor itself isn't HD. I can also see, that the pins in the plug are placed differently then those in the old plug from old monitor. So, will the new cable work no problem? I totally suck when it comes to hardware....
09:39<ompaul>ubuntu__: ##hardware on freenode have a nice day for your question is offtopic
09:39<grummund>ompaul: so that's a "yes" to my question?
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09:39<ubuntu__>yeah, I know it's off topic, I was just hoping for simple yes/no answer....
09:40<quant>!offtopic
09:40<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
09:40<devil>ubuntu__: how should we know?
09:40<ompaul>grummund: no, it is not, nor is it a no, what it is is this, you must allow outbound above 1024 but you don't have to allow unless you are getting a knock back from some connection you already established (seems to me you need to work out more about firewalls)
09:40<devil>ubuntu__: according to the info you give, the answer is: maybe
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09:40<ompaul>ubuntu__: this is not the answer you are looking for "yes/no and it depends"
09:41<ubuntu__>heh, ok, thanks guys, sorry for bothering.
09:41<ubuntu__>take care.
09:41<grummund>ompaul: seems to me you're looking at the client end... i was asking about the server
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09:41<ompaul>grummund: incoming or outbound?
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09:42<grummund>incoming
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09:43<ompaul>grummund: you can't just slam all doors shut if that is what you mean, you need your firewall to allow connections establish after the initial connection that is the best I can say
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09:44<grummund>Hmm, So... to connect to a FTP server in passive mode the server must have all ports >1023 *not* firewalled, right?
09:44<ompaul>grummund: you could say that yes is the answer but you could be even smarter and say only sessions established can open other ports
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09:54<Anaa>hellow
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10:29<byakko>hi, somebody can give a hint of how to do this? right now im using scrotwm but i load it using startx after login, there is any way to make it load automatically after login without using gdm or kdm?
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10:35<sney>byakko: what, you want it to startx automatically when you log in? or just something not as heavy as gdm?
10:35<rpetre>byakko: and you want to skip logging in altogether? not a very good idea if the terminal is not secured physically
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10:36<byakko>no, i still want the normal login without any X, and after login normally to load the X without nothing heavy as sney said
10:36<edbian>How can I contact the developers of growisofs ? I cannot burn DVDs and I wanna know why not.
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10:38<rpetre>byakko: so you want the console login and then start an X server with your session automagically?
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10:39<rpetre>you can put it in .bash_profile, i guess, but you might want to check for an existing session, selection of available X display and so on
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10:39<edbian>I found an email in the man page
10:40<rpetre>byakko: you might end up reinventing the wheel, so maybe look at other login managers, like xdm or slim
10:41<byakko>rpetre: the thins is that i'm not very sure when it comes to automatically load something, i know for example how to load a service before login but after that i dunno
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10:41<byakko>rpetre: i want something light as login as i have scrotwm for the X
10:41<rpetre>byakko: keep in mind that you can have several logins at the same moment, so whatever happens after loggin is per session
10:42<byakko>rpetre: i know, thats why is was wondering if like for example i changed the colors of the prompt with each user .bashrc if there will be another file like that one that can execute the X automatically
10:43<rpetre>byakko: so having something like gdm only lighter would work? in that case, look at the 'slim' package
10:43<@Ganneff>slim is yuck, xdm would be better than that.
10:43<mjt>. o O { lightdm }
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10:44<rpetre>byakko: listen to these guys, i just looked at the package list, i haven't used one of these for ages :)
10:44<rpetre>anyway, reinventing a login manager in bashrc is a very wrong idea imho
10:44<mjt>um.. lightdm isn't in debian
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10:45<byakko>so xdm then
10:45<byakko>as far as i dont need to use a mouse i will like it
10:46<rpetre>it's from an age where people used the keyboard more than today, so probably yea :)
10:46<@Ganneff>whats a mouse?
10:47<byakko>Ganneff: dunno
10:47<byakko>rpetre: then is exactly what i was looking for :D
10:48<byakko>well now im not sure what exactly i need to configure in the xdm
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11:00<byakko>just tested xdm and is perfect :) thanks a lot guys
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11:02<mjt>xdm was the only display manager a while back - the classical X thing... :)
11:03<sney>ah yes, using xdm to log in and use windowmaker
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11:03<byakko>its the first time i used it, i always used kdm before
11:03<sney>the days when *nix was scary
11:03*edbian just ruined another DVD
11:03<mjt>i used twm for about a decade... ;)
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11:12<Black_Prince>*sigh* I am currently using twm+xterm :P
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11:14<byakko>Black_Prince: well im using scrotwm but basically just for xterm so is more like i use xdm+xterm
11:14<Black_Prince>Heh
11:15<Black_Prince>You get used to it when you really want to
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11:16<byakko>yep, but i hate when i want to copy something from xterm to the firefox for example because i need to push the two buttons of the mouse at the same time, this is a laptop and the touchpad is broken but luckly the buttons still work so more or less i manage :P
11:17<Black_Prince>Huh that's like hell
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11:18<Black_Prince>I had gtk+ problem (something with icon loader) and I couldn't get it to copy
11:18<Black_Prince>But everything else looks fine
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11:18<Black_Prince>Only one feature of twm bugs me, and that one is "No close (X) button"
11:20<byakko>Black_Prince: thats not a problem in scrotwm basically because i dont use the mouse for anything, all the features are controled like meta+tab for example to go from one window to another one
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11:21<byakko>actually was quite funny because in the begining i didnt know how to close windows and i found a convination that made the windows dissapear so i thought it was the correct one and before yesterday reading more commands i discovered that i was sending the windows to another of the desktops i didnt even know that the scrotwn had several desktoops :P
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11:28<Black_Prince>huh I somehow shut down whole x server
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11:32<tharkun>babilen: thankss I'll take sometime off next week and will take a look at python on a more structured basis
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11:38<byakko>Black_Prince: better shutting it down than uninstalling it trying to uninstall pulseaudio :P i did that once with kde
11:39*Black_Prince is building whole system from scratch
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11:40<terion23>%why pulseaudio
11:40<Black_Prince>And I finished compiling pulseaudio 15 minutes ago
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11:40<salvatore>ciao
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11:41<byakko>i preffer alsa, the pulseaudio got installed when i was trying to install mumble
11:41<daemonkeeper>terion23: You can use /msg dpkg, ask in particular about litkeys, listvals and "search dpkg"
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11:45<kusanagi>is anybody able to do an ltrace to iceweasel?
11:45<kusanagi>it crashes iceweasel for me
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11:47<terion23>Dont have it installed if i had i looked for u sorry
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11:49<web-user>Hi all, I am currently trying to install drivers for my wireless device on squeeze. It uses the rt2870sta module.
11:49<web-user>I have tried the directions here: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
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11:49<terion23>And what seems to be the problem
11:50<web-user>sorry, and here: http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7718Un-Network-adapter-Hi-Speed/dp/B00146ILHI
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11:50<web-user>the directions on the second link are half way donw
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11:51<web-user>if you search for 'My system is Debian lenny x86_64 with Linuxkernel 2.6.26-2-amd64' it should take you to the directions
11:51<web-user>The problem with the second link is that I can not download the linux headers
11:52<web-user>And with the first link I can not run the command 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free' in terminal
11:52<terion23>is it in the non-free depository?
11:52<Black_Prince>web-user What debian version are you using
11:52<web-user>squeeze
11:52<Black_Prince>those are instructions for lenny
11:52<terion23>just open up /etc/apt/sources.list
11:52<Black_Prince>what was wrong with debian wiki method?
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11:52<terion23>and put behind squeeze/stable contrib non-free
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11:53<terion23>then u can install them via apt
11:53<terion23>It doesnt work beqause debian wont allow non-free packages install as standard.
11:53<terion23>So instead u have to put contrib non-free in your sources.list
11:53<terion23>Same thing here with my ati drivers.
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11:54<web-user>The only uncommented line is 'deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20110$ '. Should I append ' contrib non-free' to the end?
11:55<terion23>no
11:55<terion23>lol
11:55<terion23>just add the official debian mirror
11:55<terion23>I can paste it for u if u like
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11:55<Black_Prince>What the hell .. We have gstreamer plugins ugly, gstreamer plugins bad, gstreamer plugins really bad ... We just need gstreamer plugins terrible and we're good
11:55<web-user>So I add another line saying deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
11:55<terion23>yes
11:56<terion23>Then run apt-get update first
11:56<web-user>Ok, thanks.
11:56<web-user>wont be a moment
11:56<web-user>ok
11:56<terion23>And maybe apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade wont hurt either
11:57<daemonkeeper>What exactly is the rational to call "apt-get dist-upgrade" for your?
11:57<daemonkeeper>-r
11:57<daemonkeeper>+e
11:57<web-user>:o its updating :)
11:57<terion23>Sometimes the system needs a kernel update or something.
11:58<terion23>Some packages arent installed with aptitude upgrade
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11:58<Black_Prince>No need for dist upgrade for that. Dist upgrade is only for moving between distribution changes, eg squeeze->wheezy or squeeze->sid ... or so
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11:58<terion23>Black_prince i disagree i noticed some packages that coudlnt be installed by apt.
11:58<web-user>ok this was a fresh install so I do not require apt-get dist-upgrade?
11:58<terion23>And then i use dist-upgrade and it did install them.
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11:58<terion23>U can try
11:59<Black_Prince>Those are 3rd party packages. I noticed that too with dmm repository.
11:59<terion23>If it has nothing to offer u it wont do a thing ;)
11:59<Black_Prince>But with squeeze only it never happened
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11:59<terion23>I happened to my quite a while ago.
11:59<web-user>Well I might as well run it if there is no actual problem with running it?
11:59<terion23>yes
12:00<web-user>Does anyone know of any problems that may arise if I run it?
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12:00<terion23>nope
12:00<daemonkeeper>terion23: You are not on stable then.
12:00<terion23>Thats correct i like to run wheezy.
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12:00<terion23>But my second server is running squeeze and i noticed it on that too.
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12:01<daemonkeeper>Unless you really dist-upgrade (or full-upgrade) there is no reason to call it.
12:01<web-user>Sorry, but what I am getting from this is that apt-get dist-upgrade is for when you are upgrading to a new version, however this is a fresh install, so should I still run it?
12:01<daemonkeeper>web-user: No need for you.
12:01<terion23>It doenst matter web-user.
12:01<web-user>I am running squeeze
12:01<terion23>If u run it probably nothing will show up.
12:02<terion23>Daemonkeeper it wont hurt right?
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12:03<daemonkeeper>If it wouldn't, why do you think there is a distinction between upgrade and (full|dist)-upgrade at all?
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12:03<terion23>And web-user u wont upgrade to unstable or anything unless it says wheezy/unstable/sid in your sources.list
12:03<daemonkeeper>The fact it won't actually do something on web-user's system does not mean you should call it, just because you can.
12:04<web-user>sources.list:
12:04<web-user>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20110322-15:11]/ squeeze contrib main
12:04<web-user>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
12:04<Black_Prince>O.O
12:04<Black_Prince>comment out cdrom: line
12:04<terion23>It wouldnt hurt but if i have to believe an experienced debian user like daemonkeeper then u wont have to dist-upgrade
12:05<Black_Prince>!u
12:05<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
12:05<terion23>So its your call ;))
12:05<web-user>Black_Prince: Can I just ask why? Simply for educational purposes :)
12:06<terion23>dist-upgrade is ment for someone who wants to upgrade to another version
12:06<terion23>like wheezy is unstable and squeeze is the current stable.
12:06<daemonkeeper>terion23: I didn't say it hurts, my point is you should not suggest things which don't actually help or are useful at all for their use case. People aren't going to learn anything if you do that.
12:06<Black_Prince>Well, this line adds a debian cd as installation media (which is limited unless you have whole set), and It will ask you everytime for your cd when you run apt(itude)-get update
12:06<web-user>Im not upgrading to another version, I am already running squeeze
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12:06<Black_Prince>Wait wait, wheezy unstable?
12:06<terion23>Good point daemon.
12:06<terion23>It is right?
12:07<Black_Prince>sid is always unstable, wheezy is testing
12:07<web-user>Black_Prince: I did notice it was asking for the disk. Thankyou :)
12:07<terion23>So there is three versions of debian instead of 2?
12:07<daemonkeeper>There are 3 1/2
12:07<Black_Prince>Currently 4(sometimes 5)
12:07<daemonkeeper>Currently 4 1/2, yes.
12:07<terion23>lol how are they all called?
12:07<terion23>So i can educate myself.
12:07<Black_Prince>Oldstable (lenny), stable (squeeze), testing (wheezy), unstable(always sid), experimental(don't even think of using packages from there)
12:08<daemonkeeper>oldstable, stable, testing, unstable and experimental (which is not a full distribution)
12:08<wintellect>web-user: according to man "dist-upgrade" does magic to resolve dependencies, including adding or removing additional pkgs. just "upgrade" will only upgrade current apps, but will not change them if they require new/removal of dependencies
12:08<daemonkeeper>And in future perhaps: rolling.
12:08<terion23>Wintellect so it proves my point
12:08<babilen>terion23: The distinction between dist-upgrade and upgrade is different than what you think it is. I would recommend to read the "apt-get" and "aptitude
12:08<babilen>terion23: manpage
12:09<terion23>I will thanks.
12:09<web-user>wintellect: Cant I achieve the same using Synaptic?
12:09<daemonkeeper>terion23: FWIW dist-upgrade does more than upgrading distributions. Hence the name is deprecated and changed to full-upgrade in aptitude by the way.
12:09<babilen>terion23: In short: full-upgrade/dist-upgrade will remove packages in order to complete the desired action
12:10<wintellect>web-user: no idea, don't use it
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12:10<web-user>Ok, thanks.
12:10<terion23>I think the answer is yes.
12:10<terion23>But i wont know for sure.
12:11<web-user>Ok, thanks for the help guys :)
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12:11<terion23>yw
12:11<terion23>Hope that we helped with your problem.
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12:12<web-user>One more question:
12:12<web-user>Should my wireless device now work? :P
12:12<terion23>probably.
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12:12<Black_Prince>It it does not set your pc on fire, it should work ...
12:12<wintellect>I'm assuming you installed any needed firmware pkgs
12:12<web-user>I am using NetworkManager Applet 0.8.1 however it still can not see the device
12:13<web-user>Black_Prince: I prefer using a hammer
12:13<xDDD>Hi!
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12:13<web-user>wintellect: Yes, I ran apt-get install firmware-ralink wireless-tools
12:13<wintellect>Black_Prince: wont that convert it into a firewall instead? :P
12:13<web-user>why would it do that?
12:13<web-user>oh right lol
12:13<terion23>lol thats sarcasm
12:13<Black_Prince>Well, depending on what instructions you were given ....
12:14<web-user>haha i had already moved on. Quick thinking wintellect
12:14<wintellect>apparently, not quick enough
12:14<web-user>Black_Prince: Following instruction at http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
12:14<Black_Prince>(btw I was talking about dist-upgrade)
12:14<web-user>ok sorry
12:14<xDDD>You can speak spanish?
12:14<Black_Prince>!es
12:14<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:14<daemonkeeper>!es
12:15<web-user>hola. Thats all
12:15<terion23>!nl
12:15<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
12:15<web-user>!en
12:15<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
12:15<web-user>so thats what it says
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12:16<web-user>Anyway, now that I have installed the ralink firmware and wireless tools, network manager applet should now see the wireless device?
12:16<Black_Prince>Well, it *should*
12:16<terion23>wait a sec
12:16<daemonkeeper>dpkg: tell terion23 about msg the bot
12:16<Black_Prince>But, network manager has been known to have problems with wireless ...
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12:16<Black_Prince>Many people used wicd for that.
12:16<byakko>web-user: you will need to install firmware-ralink too
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12:16<wintellect>does iwconfig list anything?
12:16<Black_Prince>Or just use /etc/network/interfaces ...
12:16<terion23>If u the kernel dependencies arent loaded it doesnt work.
12:16<web-user>byakko: I have already
12:17<terion23>Maybe a reboot might work for you
12:17<byakko>web-user: oh, ok
12:17<web-user>Black_Price: I have a bad history with /etc/network/interfaces
12:17<Black_Prince>terion23, linux isn't windows where some things are fixable by reboot ... There are instructions which say you need to run modprobe -r and them modprobe module ...
12:18<terion23>Im not that advanced yet to know about modprobe.
12:18<Black_Prince>reboot is just waste of time
12:18<salvatore>ciao
12:18<web-user>Black_Prince: I ran modprobe rt2870sta
12:19<daemonkeeper>terion23: We all appreciate you helpfulness and interest to help people. But please don't give advises you don't actually know whether they are helpful or not.
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12:19<Black_Prince>web-user, pastebin output of dmesg | tail ?
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12:20<web-user>http://pastebin.com/zgUdp7is
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12:21<Black_Prince>Hm, there is something about reciever. Have you plugged it before or after you ran modprobe?
12:22<web-user>yes I did
12:22<wintellect>hometime
12:22<wintellect>l8r all
12:22<web-user>wintellect: Before you asked about iwconfig.
12:22<wintellect>hope I helped rather than hindered
12:22<web-user>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:off/any
12:22<web-user> Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm
12:22<web-user> Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
12:22<web-user> Encryption key:off
12:22<web-user> Power Management:on
12:22<web-user>thanks wintellect :)
12:22<Black_Prince>!pastebin
12:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
12:23<ejb>slapped.
12:23<web-user>ok
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12:23<quadro>sup
12:23<wintellect>web-user: from my limited experience that seems to imply it found a wireless device
12:23<web-user>wintellect: I think you are right :)
12:23<Black_Prince>web-user, what happens if you run iwconfig wlan0 essid "name of your essid"
12:23<wintellect>but it's not configured
12:23<wintellect>l8r - and hope it goes well web-user
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12:24<web-user>wintellect: Thanks for your help
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12:24<web-user>Black_Prince: It runs correctly but no output?
12:24<Black_Prince>What is now the output of your iwconfig ?
12:25<Black_Prince>Or iwconfig wlan0
12:25<web-user>look up :)
12:25<terion23>Ok i have a question, lets say i just upgraded my squeeze installation to wheezy, and i need to new kernel to load could i do that without going to reboot?
12:25<Black_Prince>same?
12:26<web-user>output for iwconfig is the same however 'lo', 'eth0' and 'pan0' all say no wireless extensions. wlan0 is same
12:26<diederik>terion23: no for new kernel you do need a reboot
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12:26<Black_Prince>terion23, that's like asking (from an old car) I've just bought a new car. Can I drive it if I don't go into it.
12:26<web-user>haha
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12:26<web-user>sorry
12:26<terion23>I can if i did install a rc controller ;P
12:27<web-user>like on mythbusters?
12:27<web-user>:)
12:27<terion23>lol yeah
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12:27<Black_Prince>I've heard they were implementing a new feature to change kernels without rebooting
12:27<web-user>sounds interesting
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12:27<terion23>that should be nice for your uptime sake :)
12:28<web-user>terion23 looks like you might get that rc car kernel :P
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12:28<terion23>ftw lol
12:28<web-user>So seeing as iwconfig sees my device, that now means it is installed correctly?
12:28<Black_Prince>But I guess that would be the same as kexec system call, it will shut down your system, but it won't display POST screen, nor bootloader, just switch kernels
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12:29<Black_Prince>web-user, that command I gave you didn't work?
12:29<web-user>sorry what command?
12:29<terion23>iwconfig wlan0
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12:30<web-user>yes I did it in response to wintellect, the output can be found above
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12:30<Black_Prince>web-user, this command iwconfig wlan0 essid "name of your essid"
12:30<web-user>Black_Prince: It did not error however it gave no output
12:31<Black_Prince>And has something been changed in dmesg | tail output?
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12:35<web-user>No, output is all the same
12:35<Black_Prince>So that says: Houston, we have a problem
12:35<Black_Prince>(in other words, you did not solve it)
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12:36<web-user>yes
12:36<web-user>does it?
12:36<web-user>lol
12:37<web-user>Black_Prince: You mentioned wicd earlier, should I uninstall network manager applet and install wicd?
12:38<Black_Prince>You can try.
12:38<Black_Prince>But don't blame me if something goes wrong
12:38<web-user>Ok, will it collide if I install wicd before I remove nmapplet?
12:38<web-user>haha
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12:39<Black_Prince>First, cover your ears, then type command to remove network manager
12:39<web-user>:o
12:39<Black_Prince>And take cover after hitting return
12:39<web-user>theres no command to cover ears :P
12:39<web-user>ok
12:39<daemonkeeper>duck and cover
12:39<web-user>and if all else failed I have an axe
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12:39<babilen>web-user: If all else fails, we'll remove your enter key.
12:39<Black_Prince>No, seriously. Many people who complained about wireless not working had a problem with network manager.
12:40<web-user>babilen: That would be highly unproductive
12:40<web-user>Black_Prince: I know. I am one of them :/
12:40<web-user>Oh no it has a do not remove feature!!! Im gonna die now at the hands of network manager :(
12:41<babilen>I like wicd, but it does not work that well with all cards or provide the same level of functionality as NM (VPN, 3G modems, ...)
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12:41<web-user>hmm something came up: Debconf on home. Users added to the netdev group: web-user
12:42<web-user>babilen: What kind of functionality do I lose?
12:42<babilen>Yes, you need to be a member of the netdev group to use network-manager or wicd
12:42<Black_Prince>Yeah, your (non privileged) user needs to be in netdev group to be able to use network manager ..
12:42<web-user>ok
12:42<web-user>thanks :)
12:42<babilen>web-user: Essentially the two things I've been mentioning above. (If you use that at all)
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12:43<daemonkeeper>We will surely switch to network manager as default for Wheezy.
12:43*babilen stabs daemonkeeper
12:43<web-user>VPN and 3G modems? No I dont
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12:43<web-user>Babilen, are you using raw HTML to achieve italics? Just out of interest :P
12:44<babilen>what?
12:44<web-user><i>Italic text...</i>
12:44<web-user>nope :P
12:44<web-user>''italics?''
12:44<web-user>nope :P
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12:45<Black_Prince>web-user, I don't think babilen knows html
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12:45<web-user>probably not :P
12:45<gnugr>babilen: do you think with iwlwifi tools could work?
12:46<web-user>silly italics
12:46<babilen>web-user: I don't quite see what HTML has to do with this, but I would personally recommend to use CSS for that.
12:46<web-user>haha I do.
12:46<web-user>ok here goes... If I go offline you can find me hidden under the desk
12:46<web-user>brb...
12:46<web-user>i hope
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12:47<web-user>Am I still here?
12:47<babilen>gnugr: It was WEP, wasn't it? Should work with some configuration in /etc/network/interfaces or by specifying the key/essid with iwconfig
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12:47<web-user>i guess so
12:47<web-user>damn thing didnt uninstall :(
12:47<gnugr>ok
12:47<babilen>web-user: yes, you are. And *please* consider using punctuation characters instead of the enter key.
12:48<web-user>Sorry, too much facebook does that to you.
12:49<web-user>Ok. I have killed network manager process. Now hopefully I can remove it...
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12:51<web-user>Does anyone know what I have to type into terminal to uninstall network manager?
12:51<Black_Prince>web-user, apt-get purge network-manager
12:51<cahoot>just install wicd
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12:52<web-user>cahoot: Done that already, I just want to freek 33MB because I am a stingy b@stard
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12:52<web-user>and I want to kill network manager
12:53<web-user>I have wicd open however it can not see any wireless networks
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12:54<babilen>web-user: Teach it about your wireless interface and make sure n-m is not running/uninstalled
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12:55<cahoot>actually I thought n-m was removed automagically if wicd is installed
12:55<jhutchins_lt>cahoot: I have found that network-manager works better with more cards than wicd, which often doesn't even see the card.
12:55<web-user>babilen: What do you mean by teach it? In settings I have input wlan0 as my wireless interface, is that what you were suggesting? Also, I killed the n-m process and uninstalled it
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12:55<web-user>cahoot: No it doesnt
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12:55<jhutchins_lt>cahoot: It should be, but I don't think it is.
12:56<cahoot>ok my mistake then
12:56<babilen>web-user: yes, that was exactly what I meant
12:56<web-user>ok I have done that already and it is saying 'No wireless networks found'
12:56<cahoot>maybe that's why n-m didn't do it's job either
12:57<cahoot>missing some vital part of support for your wifi perhaps
12:57<babilen>web-user: What about "iwlist wlan0 scan" ?
12:57<web-user>but its impossible. The device has a better internet connection than my phone which is further away from the access point which is less than a meter from the access point
12:58<web-user>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
12:58<web-user>Looks like we may be getting somewhere :)
12:58<web-user>shoud I ifup wlan0?
12:58<babilen>web-user: ifconfig wlan0 up
12:59<web-user>ok, now iwlist wlan0 scan returns this:
12:59<web-user>wlan0 Failed to read scan data : No such device
12:59<cahoot>web-user, unload/reload the wifi module and read the last 10 lines of dmesg
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12:59<web-user>How do I unload and reload the wifi module?
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13:00<cahoot>see what name it has by lspci -k| grep -i net
13:00<babilen>web-user: "modprobe -r rt2870sta ; modprobe rt2870sta ; dmesg | tail -12"
13:00<babilen>(assuming it is indeed rt2870sta)
13:00<rwcook35>exit
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13:01<web-user>yes it is
13:01<web-user>I have to use pastebin for over 2 lines dont I?
13:01<cahoot>yes
13:01<web-user>ok
13:02<babilen>web-user: Ok, run that and "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig" + "ifconfig wlan0 up" and paste all that. You might want to run "service wicd stop" before that though.
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13:02<tharkun>babilen: manual wifi setup ?
13:02<babilen>web-user: argh, "iwlist wlan0 scan" after "ifconfig wlan0 up" :)
13:02<web-user>http://pastebin.com/EHeCLcbU
13:02<babilen>tharkun: No, just troubleshooting.
13:03<web-user>the above is for modprobe -r rt2870sta ; modprobe rt2870sta ; dmesg | tail -12
13:03<babilen>sure
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13:03<web-user>for ifconfig -a: http://pastebin.com/6jqKVKQx
13:04<cahoot>that's all?
13:05<cahoot>no message/sign of firmware looked for and loaded?
13:05<web-user>Iwconfig: http://pastebin.com/43vsUQHG
13:05<web-user>cahoot: That was all
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13:05<sret>is there sparkleshare for debian?
13:05<web-user>ifconfig wlan0 up returned nothing
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13:06<cahoot>debian *is* sparkleshare
13:06<babilen>web-user: No, that can't be. It should be 12 lines of dmesg output.
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13:06<web-user>sorry I thought you wanted the last 5?
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13:07<sret>heh okk
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13:07<web-user>http://pastebin.com/tm9xfJq0
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13:08<babilen>web-user: So, does "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" give you results now?
13:09*tharkun would like to know if the tyny wifi led is on
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13:09<babilen>yes -- do you have blinkenlights?
13:10<web-user>tharkun: It is blinking intermitently
13:10<web-user>wlan0 No scan results
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13:11<Mestre>Alguém fala Português?
13:11<tharkun>!pt
13:11<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:12<web-user>...
13:12<tharkun>Mestre: te falta /
13:12<Mestre>Obrigado
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13:13<Mestre>join / #brasilia
13:13<Mestre>hehehe
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13:13<tharkun>web-user: I've never used those cards. Broadcom and intel usually shine constantly a led when they have the correct firmware and the correct module is loaded
13:14<daemonkeeper>Mestre: please stop advertising your channels
13:14<web-user>haha
13:14<Mestre>Alguém mais aqui fala português?
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13:15<tharkun>!tell Mestre es
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13:15<daemonkeeper>tharkun: pt was correct
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13:16<tharkun>I know but es is a bit more correct on the purpose of the channel and what people should
13:16<tharkun>do
13:16<Mestre>É que eu há muito tempo não acesso e estou meio perdido aqui.
13:16<tharkun>!tell Mestre about es
13:17<daemonkeeper>You mean language does not matter, foreigh satisfies anything? ;)
13:17<daemonkeeper>*foreign
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13:18<web-user>Guys, I just tried iwlist wlan0 scan again and it returned this:
13:18<web-user>wlan0 No scan results
13:19<lililililil>lililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililil
13:19<lililililil>ilililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillilililililililililili
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13:19<lililililil>ililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililililillililililililililililililililililililililili
13:19<daemonkeeper>!ops lililililil
13:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: daemonkeeper complains about: lililililil
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13:19-!-mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
13:19-!-lililililil was kicked from #debian by peterS [you should know better]
13:19-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@178-45-21-2.saransk.ru] by peterS
13:19-!-mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
13:19<daemonkeeper>Thanks
13:19<peterS>np
13:20<web-user>thank you :)
13:20<web-user>So now that wlan0 is simply returning no scan results, we have gotten somewhere. Anyone know where??? :P
13:21<byakko>web-user: did you try wlist wlan0 scan?
13:21<tharkun>web-user: Is your wifi up and running?
13:21<web-user>yes that is what returned the 'No scan results'.
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13:22<web-user>tharkun:It was but just to be sure...
13:22<byakko>tharkun: if the wifi is down the iwlist will return an error
13:22<Black_Prince>*cough*
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13:23<web-user>Haha ok then.
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13:23<web-user>What happened when I took it down:
13:23<web-user>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
13:23<byakko>told you
13:23<web-user>When it goes back up:
13:23<web-user>wlan0 No scan results
13:23<babilen>web-user: lspci -nn|grep -i network?
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13:24<web-user>byakko: Might as well push keys :)
13:24<web-user>No output
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13:24<babilen>web-user: Which kernel are you using? Ah, right it is an USB device, stupid me. lsusb in that case
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13:25<byakko>lsmod | grep rts2080 or whatever driver ur card use better
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13:25<web-user>No output
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13:25<web-user>hold that thought
13:25<byakko>with lspci you will just see if linux recognice the card and it already appear in the ifconfig
13:25<mariavalverde>hola
13:25<byakko>web-user: do you have airodump instaled?
13:25<byakko>mariavalverde: buenas
13:26<web-user>http://pastebin.com/Cnm4weYf
13:26<babilen>web-user: It is an USB device or a PCI one?
13:26<web-user>Not as far as I am aware
13:26<web-user>USB
13:26<mariavalverde>i dont no
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13:26<tharkun>I meant the actual accespoint, not the wifi card of the machine
13:26<byakko>web-user: lsusb then instead of lspci
13:26<babilen>web-user: And "lsusb" does not give you results?
13:27<mariavalverde>en que idioma hablais?
13:27<babilen>!es
13:27<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:27<byakko>mariavalverde: ingles
13:27<web-user>look at pastebin link above for lsusb
13:27<mariavalverde>a ok,
13:27<web-user>and lsmod | grep rts2870 does nothing. I appended sta to the end of rts2870 to no avain
13:27<web-user>*avail :P
13:28<babilen>web-user: No, just "lsusb"
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13:28<web-user>http://pastebin.com/yUhriXB1
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13:30<babilen>web-user: And firmware-ralink is installed?
13:30<babilen>web-user: Are you in the EU?
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13:31<web-user>yes, I did install it. If it wasn't installed, it shouldn't return 'No scan results'? AU
13:31<babilen>Hmm, /me curses at ralink
13:31<web-user>and yes I just checked with apt-get and firmware-ralink is installed.
13:31<byakko>actually i have one that uses rt73 but is not very powerfull
13:32<web-user>Any more ideas?
13:32<byakko>web-user: are you close enough to the access point? just in case
13:32<babilen>I wonder why it does not request the firmware. Could you run 'modprobe -r rt2870sta ; modprobe rt2870sta ; dmesg | tail -25" again?
13:32<diederik>web-user: do you have encryption enabled on your AP?
13:32<web-user>less than a meter... I hope that is close enough? :D
13:32<web-user>WPA2
13:32<byakko>web-user: haha hope so
13:32<web-user>(Y)
13:32<diederik>how about disabling security and broadcasting your ssid?
13:33<web-user>SSID is broadcast
13:33<diederik>then get things working (hopefully) and then enable encryption again
13:33<byakko>web-user: if you have airodump just run it even if the ssid is hide it will appear, just an idea
13:33<babilen>web-user: Would you mind to show me the output again? (with more dmesg lines)
13:33<web-user>the command you just provided?
13:33<web-user>http://pastebin.com/JVFp3cbg
13:33<babilen>web-user: yes
13:34<web-user>How do I know if I have airodump?
13:34<babilen>web-user: Ok, and "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" does not give you anything? i.e. No results
13:35<web-user>correct
13:36<babilen>Ok, lets try a different module that was introduced in .35 -- Please install a newer kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) reboot and come back.
13:36<web-user>how do I do that?
13:36<web-user>I am using squeeze
13:36<babilen>web-user: /msg dpkg bdo kernel
13:37<web-user>So I type that straight into terminal?
13:37<babilen>!bdo kernel
13:37<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
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13:37<retrospectacus>web-user, straight into irc
13:37<babilen>web-user: That command would have sent a message (/msg) to dpkg (our bot)
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13:38<web-user>OK. I have a new tab called dpkg
13:38<web-user>Do I follow instructions there?
13:38<retrospectacus>yes he is a robot, ask him anything
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13:40<web-user>Sorry I just dont understand what they are saying :(
13:41<ruben>hellou
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13:41<babilen>web-user: Follow http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
13:42<babilen>Why are ralink cards always such a PITA!?! Everybody should just buy atheros ones and be happy.
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13:43<tharkun>babilen: because they are cheap?
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13:43<babilen>yeah
13:43<web-user>Haha these were the only ones the computer store had in stock that 'work' with linux
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13:43<babilen>but honestly, the amount of work mankind has to put into these cards, they are definitely not cheap. </offtopic>
13:44<web-user>yes thats true :P
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13:44<web-user>How do I know what version of the kernel I am running?
13:44<sney>uname -r
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13:44<web-user>sney: Thanks. I definately need an upgrade then
13:45<babilen>how so?
13:45<sney>because omg 2.6.38 is newer.
13:45<babilen>ah!
13:46<babilen>ok, i'll be back in a few minutes. /me feels like sitting in the park.
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13:46<web-user>same. Will be back :)
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13:49<arnau1>Hi all, I'm having problems with apache in a server with multiple ips
13:49<arnau1>I want that apache only listens in one ip
13:49-!-web-user [~chatzilla@203-206-3-173.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
13:49<arnau1>but when I configure the ports.conf file it doesn't start when I reboot
13:50<web-user>Ok, I did it but according to uname -r it has not upgraded the kernel?
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13:50<arnau1>anybody can help me?
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13:53<daemonkeeper>You could at least provide the corresponding error.log
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13:53<daemonkeeper>Note this is not #httpd
13:54<arnau1>ok I'll try to change to httpd
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13:54<arnau1>the strange thing is there is nothing on error.lgo
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13:56<daemonkeeper>I bet there is
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13:57<arnau1>when booting the message that appears is: apache2(99)Cannont assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.10.208:80
13:58<arnau1>the strange thing is if I do /etc/init.d/apache2 start it works
13:58<arnau1>I'm using all the default configuration
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14:00<arnau1>this is my ports.conf file:
14:00<arnau1>NameVirtualHost 192.168.10.208:80
14:00<arnau1>Listen 192.168.10.208:80
14:00<gnugr>arnaul: edit conf/apache2.conf and replade "Listen ............." the ip you want
14:00<gnugr>replace*
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14:00<daemonkeeper>This is what he did, as you can see.
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14:00<daemonkeeper>And1: How do you configure this IP?
14:00<arnau1>I have done this hundreds of time
14:00<arnau1>in lenny
14:01<jthomas>Running Icedove with a clients' Inbox file, which seems to be unable to load up. I copied it to my local machine and I too am unable to open the app with this Inbox file, which is about 1.2 GB in size. Is there something I can do to make this file usable? Icedove just freezes when I open it.
14:01<arnau1>in interfaces file
14:01<arnau1>allow-hotplug eth0
14:01<arnau1>iface eth0 inet static
14:01<arnau1> address 192.168.10.208
14:01<arnau1> netmask 255.255.255.0
14:01<arnau1> gateway 192.168.10.1
14:01-!-arnau1 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste]
14:02<web-user>:o
14:02<jthomas>how would the person know to use paste.debian.net if they get kicked before that message shows up? :(
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14:03<web-user>lol
14:03<daemonkeeper>jthomas: common sense
14:03<jthomas>lol not if they're new to IRC
14:03<daemonkeeper>jthomas: Moreover its noted in the topic ...
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14:04<web-user>daemonkeeper: I have tried to update to the latest kernel. I followed the instructions from dpkg and restarted however according to uname -r, I am still running the old kernel
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14:04<daemonkeeper>web-user: You might have to change the selection grub offers you upon boot
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14:05<web-user>I only saw two options. One for normal boot and one for safe boot
14:06<gnugr>web-user: run as root " update-grub"
14:06<babilen>web-user: Paste your sources.list along with "apt-cache policy" and "dpkg -l linux-image*" to http://paste.debian.net please
14:06<web-user>ok, so update-grub or not update-grub?
14:06<babilen>web-user: "dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" that is -- update-grub won't hurt
14:06<babilen>paste output of that too
14:07<Nemoder>jthomas: I believe the Inbox file is a plain text file, you might be able to open it in text editor but at 1.2gb i'm not sure how realistic it would be to analyze it
14:08<tharkun>jthomas: use mutt to pick into the file. If that fails. You have little else but a binary editor
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14:08<web-user>http://paste.debian.net/118792/
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14:09<rSw>hello
14:09<web-user>http://paste.debian.net/118793/
14:09<babilen>web-user: Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64"
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14:10<web-user>babilen: Thanks, that looks better
14:10<babilen>:-þ
14:11<jthomas>yes this is a text file Nemoder, tharkun; I'll look into breaking it into smaller chunks. Thanks so much!
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14:11<babilen>jthomas: Is it a mbox file?
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14:11<rSw>i just installed debian 6 via minimal cd but because of net settings in data center i cant download the standard files (no desktop) is there an apt-get install command to install that last checkbox if net settings would work in install
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14:12<web-user>brb, wont be long.
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14:12<jthomas>babilen its a "ASCII mail text, with very long lines, with CRLF line terminators"
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14:12<babilen>rSw: You can install X (/msg dpkg install x) and gnome (/msg dpkg install gnome) -- You can also use tasksel to install exactly was would have been installed during the initial installation, but I recommend the first approach.
14:13<rSw>no i dont want the desktop but i tested debian 6 net install on virtual server and there the last checkbox was checked
14:13<babilen>jthomas: Sounds like mbox -- You could break it down by converting it into a maildir (much preferred by me) -- mb2md does that, for example.
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14:13<babilen>rSw: Which last checkbox?
14:13<rSw>but i dunno wwhat packagas are included in that
14:14<rSw>wel if you install where you can pick what servers need to be run on server if there needs to be desktop envoirement and stuff
14:14<jthomas>babilen thanks but can i then convert it back so that my client's Thunderbird can use it?
14:14<babilen>rSw: Use tasksel to figure that out, e.g. "tasksel --task-packages desktop"
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14:15<jthomas>babilen i don't see mb2md in aptituse, is it a part of something else?
14:15<jthomas>\\aptitude
14:15<babilen>jthomas: ugh, thunderbird -- it still can't handle maildirs -- What are you trying to achieve eventually? (I just thought "breaking up a mbox is best done by converting it to maildir")
14:15<babilen>,versions mb2md
14:15<judd>Package mb2md on i386 -- lenny: 3.20-4; sid: 3.20-4; squeeze: 3.20-4; wheezy: 3.20-4
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14:16<babilen>jthomas: What does "apt-cache policy mb2md" give you?
14:16<jthomas>hmm, thanks. i guess aptitude search doesn't search the description? :(
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14:17<jthomas>3.20-4
14:17<babilen>jthomas: You can search the description with "aptitude search ~d"
14:17<jthomas>wow that should be default, but thanks for the tip!!
14:17<rSw>gonna do another virtual machine install to know right step xD
14:17<babilen>jthomas: There might be better tools though, that was just the first that came to mind.
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14:17<jthomas>sure
14:17<babilen>jthomas: "apt-cache search" searched package names and description by default.
14:17<web-user>ok Now it is installed correctly and I have two kernel options on GRUB
14:17<babilen>!tell jthomas about aptitude search
14:18<miggs>hello. how can I set write permission for usb drives in debian ( + kde ) ? I can only read the content of them...
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14:18<babilen>web-user: Ok can you reboot into the new kernel?
14:18<diederik>miggs: is it an ntfs drive and do you have the ntfs-3g package installed?
14:18<web-user>I am running the new kernel right now
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14:19<babilen>web-user: Great, try "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" ;)
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14:19<web-user>haha
14:19<miggs>diederick: no, I have ntfs-3g package and added the ntfs partition to fstab. that's working fine. but how do I do it for usb sticks or other storrages?
14:19<web-user>bash: ifconfig: command not found
14:19<web-user>bash: iwlist: command not found
14:20<rSw>su
14:20<miggs>web-user: try as root
14:20<web-user>way to kill the bash :O
14:21<diederik>miggs: ntfs partition ... on your (fixed) hdd? which kde version?
14:21<diederik>I had that issue because I didn't have the ntfs-3g package installed. After installing my usb sticks were mounted read-write
14:21<miggs>diederick: 4.4.5
14:22<web-user>:o it pickedup my neighbours wlan!!! Time to hax xD
14:22<web-user>jk
14:22<miggs>i have it installed as i said
14:22<web-user>Ill paste that for you in one secong
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14:22<diederik>if you plug in your drive, what does dmesg tell you (pastebin it)
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14:24<web-user>babilen:http://paste.debian.net/118794/
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14:24<babilen>web-user: \o/
14:25<babilen>web-user: It is working :)
14:25<web-user>yes :)
14:25<miggs>diederick: i'm talking about an usb flash, not a hdd. after plugging it in, kde offers me the option to open it in dolphin ( through a popout ). if i do that, i can read / copy the content of that flash, but cannot erase, add stuff
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14:25<diederik>for an usb flash drive, you shouldn't modify fstab
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14:26<miggs>ok, but what?
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14:26<xDDD>qwádvgh
14:26<xDDD>çijos de perra
14:26<diederik>if that's what you did, remove the line from fstab, unplug the device and plug it back in
14:26<rSw>found the name its standard system utilities
14:26<betinho>i'm looking for a integrated toll GUI for RAD with support Gtk, programming languages, (if possible compatible with Win32, linux), anyone know any (well tested)? tks ...
14:26<xDDD>me la xupas
14:26<web-user>Wicd sees it
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14:26<babilen>!es-social xDDD
14:26<dpkg>xDDD: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
14:26<xDDD>que me la comas'??
14:27<web-user>I wont be long, I am just going to switch connections
14:27<web-user>fingers crossed
14:27<xDDD>mi polla mide 400000000000000 de metros y me la comes y mice 3 metros menos hijode puta xk me la cepillas y me sacas punta
14:27<babilen>!ops xDDD trolling in Spanish again
14:27<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: xDDD trolling in Spanish again
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14:28<babilen>web-user: Sure, do that. Enjoy your working wireless now!
14:28<rSw>or if i download the iso files can i still scan those instaid of network mirror in netinstall ?
14:29<miggs>diederik: i removed it, but have the same problem
14:29<miggs>still cannot write
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14:30<diederik>and no line in fstab now? what does the id command return?
14:30<soad>ciao
14:30<babilen>soad: welcome
14:30<miggs>uid=1000(mihai) gid=1000(mihai) groups=1000(mihai),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(powerdev),110(netdev)
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14:30<diederik>seems to be ok
14:30<kop>rSw: You can use the cd images to install from, yes. But they are intended for when you don't have net access. Otherwise the netinstall is preferred.
14:30<daemonkeeper>You expelled him, babilen
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14:31<kop>rSw: What problem are you trying to solve?
14:32<miggs>dmseg shows some messages about the usb
14:32<diederik>miggs: I'm also in the fuse group, maybe that's relevant, but I'm not sure, better try at #debian-kde
14:32<rSw>wel i dont have net acces atm untill i can set up my interfaces properly aperently :( just want those standard system utilities to be installed but i dunno what packages are in it
14:32<diederik>can you pastebin those messages?
14:32<miggs>ok, thanks
14:33<miggs>yes
14:33<kop>rSw: The netinstall cd has a basic install and does not require net access to get going. But the install should configure your interfaces file for you.
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14:34<rSw>wel maybe one of the name server i picked is down or something
14:34<miggs>http://pastebin.com/pvycbQBK
14:34<rSw>so its ok to just continu without scanning the mirror
14:34<kop>rSw: Use alt-f2 or f3 or f4 to get a console or to see the logs.
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14:35<rSw>busybox Oo
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14:35<rSw>ls
14:35<kop>rSw: Yes, but it'll be eaiser if you straigten out the problem. At least if you're new to Debian.
14:35<kop>!tell rSw about overview
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14:35<kop>rSw: ^^ since your new.
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14:36<rSw>not rly just to this net install my server had debian 5 before but i installed from dvd last time
14:36<kop>rSw: Why not just upgrade? If you follow the release notes things will just work.
14:37<rSw>so busybox gives me acces to filesystem ?
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14:37<kop>rSw: Yes. Depending on where you are in the install process you may need to mount (or even create) the filesystem.
14:38<kop>rSw: (There's also a rescue mode that will attempt to detect and mount any existing filesystems.
14:38<rSw>found the interfaces file
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14:38<rSw>thx will probably work afer i set this right
14:38<kop>rSw: You shouldn't have to change that. You want to find out why you aren't getting to the mirror. (check dns/ping -n/etc.)
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14:39<kop>rSw: You can always go backwards (read the bottom of the screen) in the installer and redo a previous step (like setting up the network). (I always tend to use expert mode, which can give you too many choices....)
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14:40<rSw>yea but i backed up my previous interfaces file so will just type that in there
14:41<kop>rSw: You may then have to restart networking, or have the installer do it. I'm not sure how that works but if you poke it with a stick you'll probably be fine.
14:42<rSw>can i do /etc/init.d/network restart or what was it again in busybox
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14:43<web-user>babilen: Do you know how to remove the old kernel?
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14:44<kop>rSw: Probably. Dunno. You might have to do an ifconfig.
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14:44<kop>web-user: You have to "aptitude purge ..." old kernels. They don't go when just removed.
14:44<babilen>web-user: sure, run "aptitude remove PKG_NAME" -- to find the package name run "aptitude search '~n^linux-image'"
14:44<babilen>web-user: err, actually purge
14:45<babilen>kop++
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14:45<web-user>so the kernel is actually treated the same as a package?
14:45<babilen>sure, it is just another package
14:45<kop>web-user: Except for the purge-ness that's required to remove the binarys a kernel is just like the others.
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14:45<web-user>ok thanks
14:45<babilen>Debian developed the Unix philosophy from "everyhting is a file" to "everything is a package"
14:46<web-user>kop: however it is removed the same
14:46<web-user>babilen: Interesting :)
14:46<babilen>web-user: That was more a joke than a factual statement
14:46<kop>babilen: As in "I got a package for you, baby."?
14:46<web-user>haha go tthat :)
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14:46<kop>web-user: You can remove kernel packages too, but the binaries hang around until purged.
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14:47<babilen>web-user: If unsure which package to purge paste the result of that search
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14:48<web-user>babilen: Im sure I can figure it out looking at the packages under /boot
14:49<web-user>done :)
14:49<babilen>great
14:49<web-user>Thanks, I shall just update grub and we are finally done (PARTY OVER HERE!)
14:49<devil>nice, md fixed #628844: module-init-tools 3.16-1 uploaded with urgency high
14:49<web-user>3 hours so far and all that was required in the end was the kernel update haha
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14:50<rSw>cant do init.d restart and ifconfig is also unknown command in busybox
14:50<babilen>web-user: No need to update grub, that should have been done automagically on package removal
14:50<web-user>ok brilliant
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14:51<web-user>I shall restart just to see it all working and then I will restart again and again and again just to see its all finally working :)
14:51<web-user>babilen: I can not thank you enough
14:51<web-user>your help has been brilliant
14:51<web-user>thank you so much
14:51<babilen>web-user: You are most welcome. Have a great day/night and enjoy Debian.
14:52<web-user>I will. You two. :o Its 2:50 am over here!!! Haha time flies when your having fun!
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14:52<web-user>babilen: One last question if you dont mind me asking. This is a simple one. How long have you used linux? Have you used any other distros?
14:52<babilen>web-user: Well, greetings to AU
14:53<babilen>web-user: Join #debian-offtopic
14:53<web-user>yep :)
14:53<web-user>ok. Thanks
14:54<web-user>bye
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15:02<rSw>hm does anybody know how to reload the interfaces in busybox or can i go back steps in install process
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15:02<rSw>ifup not a know command
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15:06<rSw>ow lol sorry xD
15:06<rSw>forgot my server is hooked up to eth1 instaid of eth0
15:08<rSw>its reciving files :D
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15:08<retrospectacus>!beer rSw
15:08*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for rSw
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15:08<retrospectacus>while you wait
15:08<rSw>cheers
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15:09<rSw>!spliff retrospectacus
15:09<rSw>^^
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15:09<retrospectacus>aw snap! best day ever
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15:25<bzed>man dd
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15:37<darwin>hello all
15:38<babilen>welcome
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15:49<darwin>whats up?
15:50<darwin>bh
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15:51<nephew>Hello guys, i just made a complete openbox theme, if you want to take a look, its here: http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Behind+Blue+Sky?content=142341&PHPSESSID=badf5ab5cb43a0ff727936d02fab2b35
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15:51<nephew>If you like my work, please vote :)
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15:52<babilen>nephew: Please, no spam. (take it to #moocows or #debian-offtopic / #openbox/freenode)
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15:52<nephew>ok sorry
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16:10<jhutchins_lt>nephew: You did it in Debian, though, right?
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16:13<nephew>jhutchins_lt: no, archlinux.
16:14<jhutchins_lt>(You were supposed to agree wholeheartedly and thereby save your OT.)
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16:16<nephew>lol
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16:18<omni>I'm trying to access a network printer. In Ubuntu it finds the network printer. with Debian, i cannot locate it. Is there something i need to install before i can search the network? (I installed SMB4K)
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16:20<jthomas>babilen I got that Thunderbird/Icedove issue resolved with 'head' and 'tail' to cut the file into manageable sizes and find the culprit — ONE EMAIL has over 10,000 lines of addresses, about 3-4 addys per line, so it was over 30,000 addresses! Once I removed that, life was much better!!
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16:20<jthomas>thanks for the tips
16:22<babilen>jthomas: No problem. Glad you've figured it out. One more reasons why mbox is not a very good format. Sadly that thunderbird/icedove can't handle anything else. (might have changed recently though)
16:22<engywucz> omni: with which program do you want to access it?
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16:22<jthomas>i agree babilen
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16:22<babilen>jthomas: One way to deal with this would be to install a local IMAP server and have it serve your email to whatever client you want to use. Dovecot for example can handle maildirs just fine.
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16:23*ml| whispers Maildir ;)
16:23<omni>I was going to have it setup so i can print off websites & documents. I'm bouncing between 2 different computers (windows & Linux), and need to be able to print on which ever computer i'm on.
16:23<jthomas>lol
16:24<omni>engywucz, ^ (sorry forgot to note name)
16:24<qoop>HI, everybody, I am new user. Somebody tell me which is the command to enter into a channel...please
16:24<babilen>omni: Well, a central IMAP server doesn't sound that bad then.
16:24<qoop>I'm using Ubuntu
16:24<jthomas>qoop: /join #channel
16:24<babilen>ENICK
16:24<qoop>OK, thanks
16:24<qoop>^_^
16:24<babilen>!ubuntuirc qoop
16:25<omni>babilen, IMAP? Printer is hooked up to my Windows computer at the moment..
16:25<engywucz>no, imap for the mail problem above
16:25<babilen>omni: Forget it (ENICK)
16:26<engywucz>do you have cups installed?
16:26<ml|>omni: are you sharing this printer from windows or is it a network printer?
16:26<engywucz>that's the way I connect to network printers on my computer
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16:26<qoop>I'm using XChat
16:26<qoop>in Ubuntu 11.04.
16:26<omni>ml|, sharing on the windows server. Under Ubuntu, i can see the printer.. just cant get the print drivers to work. on Debian, i cannot even see the printer at the moment.
16:27<babilen>!ubuntuirc
16:27<dpkg>babilen: This is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
16:27<ml|>haha
16:27<babilen>qoop: ^^
16:27<qoop>!ubuntuirc
16:27<dpkg>qoop: This is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
16:27<qoop>roger
16:27<qoop>ok
16:28<babilen>qoop: See ya! Have a good time over there and if you ever decide to try Debian you are more then welcome here. :)
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16:28<daemonkeeper>!ubuntuirc babilen
16:28<daemonkeeper>Interesting.
16:29<daemonkeeper>This factoid is buggy. :p
16:30<omni>ml|, er, it is not a windows server, it is windows pro (my 2nd computer)
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16:38<bluenemo_>can i somehow start a program from a command line on a specific X server? (like when i startx -- :1 i have a X server running on X terminal 1 (default is 0)), and then i go to a cli (crtl alt F1) and say like start gnome-terminal on screen 1?
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16:40<terion23-afk>no
16:40<terion23-afk>u need to open a terminal inside the x server
16:40<terion23-afk>and execute ure program.
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16:47<Toni>ola?
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17:00<tharkun>!es Toni
17:00<dpkg>Toni: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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17:16<rafael_>hola alguien que pueda ayudarme
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17:18<rafael_>hello help me please
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17:20<engywucz>!dpkg ask
17:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:21<rafael_>alguien le esta parte... necesito de ayuda...
17:22<babilen>!es
17:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:22<bja>!es rafael_
17:22<dpkg>rafael_: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
17:22<terion23>!es rafeal_
17:22<babilen>yes, enough!
17:22<bja>He got the idea. I'm sure
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17:23<babilen>rafael_: Or speak English in here
17:23<terion23>lol dpkg just pmed me and said u just asked me something 2 seconds ago.
17:23<terion23>I didnt ask anything for the last two hours.
17:23<rafael_>sorry no speack ingles
17:23<rafael_>speack spanish
17:24<babilen>rafael_: "/join #debian-es"
17:24<bja>rafael_: Tranquilo haz lo que dpkg te dijo
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17:24<ml|>!ubuntu-irc ml|
17:24*dpkg ml| This is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.freenode.net/ubuntu
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17:25<rafael_>babilen i'am in #debian-es"
17:25<bja>rafael_: what network?
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17:34<terion23>Hey guys how do i start a java applat from the console withing the xserver? btw i use sun-java packages i installed.
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17:49<diederik>terion23: are you talking about a java applet? that should be in some html page
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17:55<MrFrood>diederik: not all java is web based
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17:55<diederik>I know, but afaik applets are
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17:56<diederik>running a java application on the CLI is no issue
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17:56<cysioland>Hey, I have a problem. On tray icon I see, that WiFi is not supported, but in ifconfig & iwconfig WiFi works. How to fix it?
17:57<bja>ditch your tray icon xD
17:57<MrFrood>cysioland: more info - differnt DE's have differnt tray icons...
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17:58<cysioland>MrFrood: I have Debian Squeeze 6.0.1a x64 with Gnome 2
17:58*MrFrood does not use gnome
17:59<babilen>cysioland: So, you have a little applet there (network-manager) that does not work, but you can connect if you configure it in /etc/network/interfaces?
17:59<bja>cysioland: ok you will have to tell networkmanager to manage the interface. gnome AFAIK does have an interaction with it
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17:59<babilen>!network-manager
17:59<dpkg>NetworkManager is a network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions and ask me about <nm squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ #nm on irc.freenode.net. See also <wireless connection managers>.
17:59<babilen>cysioland: You might want to read those ^^^
18:00<babilen>cysioland: But tell us more about your connection. Do you need to switch networks or is it a static setup?
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18:00<cysioland>I'm already using the net, but that little icon don't shows connection, and tells me, that it's not supported.
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18:00<cysioland>babilen: I need to switch networks
18:00<cysioland>I configured my connection on installation
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18:01<babilen>Ok, you have to configure network manager so it manages your interface. It is detailed in the documentation referenced in th dpkg factoid about. I would personally recommend to use wicd, but that is by no means necessary if you don't want to.
18:01<babilen>cysioland: Can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces to http://paste.debian.net?
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18:02<cysioland>http://paste.debian.net/118804/
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18:03<cysioland>babilen, http://paste.debian.net/118804/
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18:04<babilen>cysioland: Yeah, nm won't manage wlan0 in that case. Read the documentation and adapt your /e/n/i accordingly, restart nm and it should be fine
18:04<babilen>cysioland: In particular the README.Debian and the wiki
18:05<cysioland>I got this to work! I set managed=true in nm conf. Nm don't want to manage managed networks without my choice. Thx for wiki.
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18:12<STMREG>does apt-cacher-ng replace apt-proxy... google still thinks apt-proxy is an appropriate solution... but i cant seem to apt-get it
18:12<Black_Prince>judd: file bin/apt-proxy
18:13<judd>No packages were found with that file.
18:13<Black_Prince>judd: file bin/apt-cacher-ng
18:13<judd>bin/apt-cacher-ng in squeeze/i386: apt-cacher-ng: usr/sbin/apt-cacher-ng
18:13<Black_Prince>Well, it seems that apt-proxy is unavailable
18:14<diederik>STMREG: it's not the same, but have similar behaviour
18:14<STMREG>thx
18:14<diederik>apt-cacher-ng works rather nice here
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18:17<daemonkeeper>apt-proxy is deprecated
18:17<daemonkeeper>!apt-proxy
18:17<dpkg>apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 for more information. http://apt-proxy.sf.net/ Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #576821. For alternatives, ask me about <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching>, <approx>.
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18:19<STMREG>thx
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18:51<yannick_29>hello
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18:55<hypnos>is there somebody ?
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19:04<Lordy>Hello folks
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19:05<Lordy>I have a kernel panic
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19:06<retrospectacus>Colonel Panic? I hate that guy
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19:07*dvs prefers Major Havoc
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19:08<retrospectacus>it's usually General Protection's fault tho
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19:08<Lordy>Kernel panic
19:08<Lordy>:D
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19:09<retrospectacus>!ask
19:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:09<dvs>!tell MuzerAway about away
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19:10<Lordy>Ok
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19:11<Lordy>Hello Folks , i have a kernel panic ; i'm running Debian Squeeze. When i try to connect with my wlan card sometims i have a kernel panic and when i try to connect with ethernet it works alright. I have Dell Inspiron 1764 17.3" - Intel Core i3 2.26 GHz - 4 Go ddr3 - Debian Squeeze - Gnome
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19:13<retrospectacus>Lordy: what's your wireless adapter? Can you pastebin dmesg or syslog showing messages up to the panic?
19:13<Lordy>http://pastebin.com/kfUuRx7k (pastebin of my kern.log )
19:15<rSw_timeout>hello i having trouble with a kernel i installed i get this at bootscreen http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16663584/kernel%20error.png
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19:17<retrospectacus>Lordy: looks like this is a known issue with b43, fixed in 2.6.33
19:17<retrospectacus>Lordy: you should enable backports and install the new kernel from squeeze-backports
19:17<Lordy>How can i fix it ?? :O
19:17<retrospectacus>!tell Lordy about bpo
19:17<MrFrood>rSw: what version of debian..?
19:17<diederik>rSw: sounds like an udev issue. Booting always fails?
19:18<rSw>6.0.1a
19:18<rSw>wel the original kernal boots
19:18<Lordy>Do you have a tutoriel to enable a backports and install the new kernel ???
19:18<diederik>rSw: you have not enabled testing or sid, have you?
19:18<retrospectacus>Lordy: no but the dpkg bot knows all
19:18<rSw>say not that i know of
19:19<MrFrood>!tell Lordy about ssb
19:19<diederik>ok, then it's probably not an udev issue
19:19<retrospectacus>,kernels
19:19<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.39-1-686-pae (2.6.39-1); wheezy: 2.6.38-2-686 (2.6.38-5); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-34squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2)
19:20<rSw>i installed a patched 2.6.33-5 in my vm it worked like a charm but not on server maybe conflict with software raid
19:20<Lordy>!tell Lordy
19:20<Lordy>!tell
19:20<retrospectacus>Lordy: /msg dpkg backports
19:20<MrFrood>!tell Lordy about self tell
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19:24<Lordy>Can you give me the link for the new kernel ?? And how to compile it ??
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19:25<rSw>me ?
19:25<diederik>Lordy: you don't have to compile it, you can get it from backports
19:25<Lordy>the command to install it ?
19:25<diederik>add the backports line to your sources.list, aptitude update
19:26<Lordy>already add it
19:26<daemonkeeper>... or just read the ssb factoid
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19:27<daemonkeeper>Or even
19:27<daemonkeeper>!bdo kernel
19:27<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>.
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19:31<Lordy>i should install this ?
19:31<Lordy>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686
19:31<diederik>yes
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19:31<diederik>if you have the 686 kernel
19:32<diederik>what does "uname -r" say?
19:32<Lordy>waiy
19:32<rSw>are there other ways to install precompiled kernal headers and image .deb files .
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19:35<Lordy>2.6.32-5-amd64
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19:35<Lordy>!tell diederik 2.6.32-5-amd64
19:35<MrFrood>rSw: apt or aptitude (both are front ends to dpkg)
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19:36<diederik>then you need linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64
19:36<DebraBarone>Hello. I'm running wheezy on a laptop using ACPI. Commands like "acpi -b" work and such, and I have set up a battery meter for dwm. Can somebody recommend me some software to shut down the laptop when it is low on battery, or should I just make a BASH script? Right now, it will not do anything when there is little battery, and will continue to run until it dies due to lack of power. Thanks
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19:37<diederik>Lordy: replace 686 with amd64 in your aptitude command
19:37<Lordy>Thank you
19:37<Lordy>Should i do it in graphical mode ?
19:37<Lordy>There is nothing wrong with it ?
19:38<retrospectacus>sure
19:38<diederik>not that I know of. I prefer CLI
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19:57<DebraBarone>I'll make a BASH script.
19:57<DebraBarone>Thanks anyway
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19:58<uksal>BASH
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20:02<retrospectacus>boosh
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20:34<Toad>hey
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21:13<bluenemo_>ah ok thx terion23-afk (terminal / xserver)
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21:20<unix>hola q tal
21:20<unix>?
21:21<nickzxcv>i've started getting a bunch of "Couldn't download package" errors in installing the base system, is there a way to quit that step in the installer and fix the network or choose another mirror without totally restarting?
21:21<nickzxcv>this is over serial on a sparc64
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21:24<nickzxcv>"go back" and "continue" both seem to try to install more packages
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21:35<riley>how do i mount a usb drive in debian?
21:37<riley>hello?
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21:50<skilz>hmm
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22:06<unix>que tal?
22:06<unix>me podrian ayudar con un problema q tengo por favor?
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22:10<abrotman>!es
22:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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22:26<skilz>hi, how can I make my system display 'linuxlogo' when someone ssh's int it
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22:33<uksal>3TB external 130 USD on newegg.
22:33<abrotman>uksal: please don't spam us
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22:34<tharkun>3 modems on an old machine, and out of the three none that i can use. /me is utterly frustrated
22:34<uksal>abrotman: I'm not, just saying that capacities are growing ever larger.
22:35<abrotman>tharkun: why not?
22:35<uksal>Kind of a murmur of something interesting. Didn't know they had 3TB.
22:35<uksal>At that cheap.
22:35<uksal>*sorry*
22:36<tharkun>abrotman: SM56 (soft modem) 2 of those SoftV92 from Conexant also a bloody soft modem Alias winmodems
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22:37<sney>I still have an external serial-port modem somewhere
22:37<tharkun>If you have a known workaround for any of them feel free to open your wisdom to us simple mortals
22:37<sney>that thing was the bomb
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22:37<tharkun>sney: I offered all 3 modems for one of those and i was told to go take a hike ;P
22:37<sney>lol
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22:38<tharkun>BTW how is pebbles?
22:38<sney>good!
22:38<tharkun>Great
22:38<sney>she was talking a lot today
22:38<uksal>You can get external rs232 modems for like 30 USD now.
22:38<tharkun>uksal: where?
22:38<uksal>Err uhh, trendnet makes them.
22:38<uksal>Work well.
22:38<sney>uksal: might be harder in argentina
22:39<uksal>Hmm. In EU/US/UK/AU/NZ/CA
22:39<tharkun>sney: Mexico, i'm from México
22:39<uksal>where white people live
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22:41<tharkun>uksel: TrendNet USB 56k v.92 External Mode Modem Type: Soft-Modem
22:42<uksel>nono
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22:42<uksel>tharkun: TrendNet TFM-560X
22:43<uksel>on the topic of dialup - if I wanted to dial in every 4 hours and grab mail, what kind of free dial-up ISP would offer that ability in north america
22:43<sney>the one I have is USR5686G by US Robotics
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22:44<sney>uksel: the kind you get bundled with a broadband connection. also, this should be in #debian-offtopic
22:44<tharkun>sney: i have also one of those. It is a nice looking corpse. Too many years of service
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22:48<tharkun>uksel: Ok, now the logistics to get it down here is going to be a breeze. Thanks for the solution. IOU one. a BIG one
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22:53<uksel>tharkun: No problem.
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22:58<uksel>How well does an "AMD Radeon HD 6310" GPU work with Debian Squeeze?
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22:58<uksel>I don't care about suspend/resume.
22:59<uksel>Not sure what core it is. May be an R600.
22:59<sney>well, you need to use fglrx for that one I think, and it can be a pain to set up
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22:59<sney>no it's way past r600
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22:59<uksel>Oh, I haven't been keeping track.
22:59<sney>the hd 6000 series is still new enough that support is patchy
22:59<uksel>Damn.
22:59<sney>they dropped the whole r* thing a couple series back
22:59<uksel>I guess I should go for the 4500HMD?
23:00<uksel>M*
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23:00<uksel>Whatever. Was thinking something Poulsbo. I hate bad graphics support after that.
23:00<sney>it'd be a safer bet right now anyway. the radeon driver team moves very fast though so your 6310 might be supported fully in wheezy and up
23:02<uksel>Intel GMA 4500MHD*
23:02<uksel>There we go.
23:03<uksel>Hmmmm. Yeah they have made strides.
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23:09<uksel>sney: Yeah, I was looking at a new Thinkpad that has a different processor chipset. AMD Fusion. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246115
23:10<uksel>For 55 USD more I can get a better support Core2Duo and an Intel GPU.
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23:11<sney>http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon well, radeon still doesn't support it
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23:23<uksel>woah.
23:24<sney>you should probably talk to #ati on freenode, figure out which fglrx supports it, and work from there
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23:26<uksel>I dunno, sney, it looks like with Intel I'd have VAAPI for accelerating MPEG2. It is also polished and free software, and it is here-and-now.
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23:27<uksel>The last time I've had 3D was on a ATI Radeon 7000. :(
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23:27<uksel>Getting 2D, even, on my Lemote Yeeloong hasn't happened yet.
23:27*uksel throws down cash for something stable and works.
23:28<uksel>*10% to charity organization too
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23:42<ray_>hey you all! i just installed the first time Xubuntu v11.4 on my machine. so this is all very very new and complicate to me. also i just wanted to say "hi" to the community :-)
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