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#debian IRC Logs for 2011-06-04

---Logopened Sat Jun 04 00:00:32 2011
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00:02<MrFrood>aussa: search the debian-user mail list archives - I'm pretty sure this issue has been discussed there
00:02<aussa>ok ty
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01:07<dabir>how to disable laptop speakers when plugging in headphones?
01:09<dabir>the laptop speakers do not shut off even when jacking in headphones to the audio port
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01:28<acdimalev>There's a package named "earcandy" that has a goal of automatically adjusting this for you.
01:29<acdimalev>Unless you feel like being a guinea pig or doing some dev-work, your best bet is probably to manually adjust it.
01:30<acdimalev>How you would go about doing that depends on the software that you have installed. For most people, I think that's somewhere between an ALSA mixer and a PulseAudio mixer.
01:31<cahoot>isn't it mainly a defect in the alsa module for his particular soundcard? chances are there's a moduleoption to test
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01:36<dabir>hmm. well it's a fresh laptop. i really don't know. how would i go about fixing this? perhaps just disable/enable the laptop speaker manually? how so?
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01:37<Arrowmaster>well i know that doesnt work on my soundcard either but its not an alsa defect
01:38<Arrowmaster>since my soundcard has the headphone port as 2 additional channel and not linked to the normal output
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02:02<acdimalev>"[If I die], tell my wife, 'hello'."
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02:15<dabir>isn't there a command i can use in terminal to turn off laptop speakers but keep the headphones?
02:15<dabir>there's gotta be.. right?
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02:16<acdimalev>Have you checked alsamixer to see if it has volume controls for the two channels?
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02:23<sosaited>Does Iceweasel has a separate support channel?
02:24<dabir>under volume control or Sound:
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02:25<dabir>Device: HDA ATI SB (Alsa mixer) and..
02:25<dabir>HDA ATI HDMI (Alsa mixer)
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02:25<dabir>how do i check the alsa mixer? or is that it
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02:30<s_i_m>dabir, open terminal and type alsamixer
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02:36<dabir>no there is not
02:36<dabir>there is just Master and PCM
02:36<sosaited>Does Iceweasel has a separate support channel?
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02:40<dabir>but yeah, headphones plugged in and speakers r still playing -..damnit
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02:43<dabir>how do i fix this.. gah
02:43<acdimalev>dabir, alsamixer has a start-up option to choose a card (e.g. alsamixer -c1) you'll want to verify that you're adjusting the audio for the correct device by playing with the audio levels that are there.
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02:44<toneblaze>is plan 9 better than linux?
02:45<valdyn>toneblaze: plan9 is useless
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02:45<acdimalev>apt-cache search plan9
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02:46<toneblaze>what does that tell me?
02:46<toneblaze>plan9 is an os
02:46<toneblaze>not a package
02:46<valdyn>toneblaze: its an experimental operating system developed at bell labs iirc, its not useful for anything but os research
02:47<dabir>acdimalev, can you please explain. all there is is PCM and Master. am i looking at the correct 'device' you're talking about?
02:47<toneblaze>what is the most elite os for the hacker?
02:47<valdyn>toneblaze: debian
02:47<acdimalev>There's also plenty of plan9-related work that carrired on well after the operating system. (I don't know of anyone actively developing plan9 as an OS)
02:47<toneblaze>why do people use slackware?
02:47<devil>toneblaze: and btw.: its mostly useless to ask in a distro channel if another distro is better. that has flamewar-potential :)
02:47<valdyn>acdimalev: yea i know, even linux has plan9 features
02:47<toneblaze>not trying to flame- i'm legit curious
02:48<valdyn>toneblaze: this is the wrong channel for this curiousity
02:48<devil>didnt say you were
02:48<acdimalev>dabir, you can make sure that you're looking at the right card by messing with the levels there... check whether or not adjusting the volume level for "master" actually changes your volume level.
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02:49<acdimalev>valdyn, eh?
02:50<dabir>acdimalev: both master and PCM adjusts the volume for headphones + laptop speakers..but my goal is to turn off just laptop speakers
02:50<valdyn>acdimalev: eh? whatß
02:50<valdyn>acdimalev: eh? whatß?
02:50<acdimalev>toneblaze, what do you enjoy wasting your time doing?
02:51<acdimalev>valdyn, I'm not aware of any plan9 features that made it into the Linux kernel. If you've got one to point out, I'm curious. : )
02:51<valdyn>acdimalev: CONFIG_NET_9P
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02:53<acdimalev>valdyn, that's in the official kernel? Looking it up!
02:53<valdyn>acdimalev: its =m in debian
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02:56<acdimalev>dabir, bummer. If it was me, I'd be tracking down the kernel module that's responsible for your audio, confirming that it's an ALSA driver, and approaching the ALSA community at large about it.
02:57<acdimalev>dabir, thoguh perhaps somebody around here has a better idea.
02:58<cahoot>isn't it mainly a defect in the alsa module for his particular soundcard? chances are there's a moduleoption to test
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03:01<Arrowmaster>well first the card needs to be identifed
03:01<Arrowmaster>then there are a few alsa wikis to check
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03:03<acdimalev>valdyn, that's pretty neat. I knew there were patches, but I didn't know anything got accepted upstream.
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03:10<s_i_m>acdimalev, 9P and v9fs have been in the kernel since 2005 at least
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03:15<btbaus>hello. first time using IRC
03:16<dabir>cool. i'm your first reply. :]
03:17<btbaus>im here cause im in the middle of a squeeze instillation. its asking me to instert CDROM#2 but my drive wont open. im thinking i just have to replace it another but i was wondering if anybody had any other ideas
03:17<btbaus>*another working cdrom drive
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03:20<mjt>btbaus: Hit Ctrl+Alt+2 (I think - maybe it's 3 or 4) - to reach shell (# prompt), and type "mount" in there, and take a look at lines mentioning "/dev/sr0"
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03:22<btbaus>hey thanks ill try that out
03:22<mjt>if it has /dev/sr0 somethere, type "umount /dev/sr0"
03:23<mjt>it should do that automatically, it's most likely a bug if it doesn't.
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03:23<mjt>but if there are no lines mentioning sr0, the prob is elsewhere ;)
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03:24<mjt>hm. i can eject even mounted cdrom here, just hitting the eject button twice in a row...
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03:25<mjt>i never knew it works this way
03:25<btbaus>/dev/sr0 is mounted. i unmounted it at ejected it with eject /dev/sr0 but now i dont know how to get the cd tray back in
03:26<btbaus>pushing it in doesnt work and the button on the drive doesnt work either
03:27<mjt>well, that's your hardware, i've no idea how it works
03:27<btbaus>thanks for your help
03:28<mjt>Ctrl+Alt+1 to return back to the installer (I hope :)
03:28<mjt>or F1 :)
03:28<btbaus>yup f1
03:28<btbaus>anybody slanging a cdrom drive?
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03:31<mjt>btbaus: was it mounted on /cdrom ?
03:31<btbaus>no. it was mounted at /dev/sr0
03:31<mjt>each mount entry has two paths - the device (/dev/sr0 in your case) and a directory
03:32<mjt>it looks like /dev/foo on /some/where filesystem ...
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03:32<mjt>/dev/sda6 on /var type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
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03:33<mjt>so what
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03:33<mjt>so what's the 3rd word in that line?
03:33<mjt>(or was)
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03:38<btbaus>btw, eject -t /dev/sr0 pull the tray back in
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03:40<btbaus>damn, now i looks like the installation is hanging. does a red stripe across the bottom of the screen mean anything? i didnt notice it before...
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04:05<btbaus>dudes how do i mount /dev/sr0 during an instillation of squeeze. i run mount /dev/sr0 /target/media/cdrom and it says no medium
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04:06<mjt>no medium means your cdrom drive does not see the cdrom inserted to it
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04:12<btbaus>lame . the cd works on other computers
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04:20<s_i_m>Do I understand right that it is impossible to add inline formulas in OpenOffice Impress?
04:20<s_i_m>I decided to try for once to make a presentation there
04:21<s_i_m>but it seems it cannot do even this simple thing
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04:51<dutchfish>hi, for kde 4.6.3, what does 'not considered' mean? Does it mean it will get hinted manually when all lower dependecies are met , or does it mean it won't hit testing when 10 days are over?
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04:52<diederik>dutchfish: there's a RC bug preventing transitioning to testing
04:53<diederik>on which page do you see it?
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04:53<dutchfish>diederik, any package related to the major transition for kde parts to 4.6.3
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04:54<dutchfish>diederik, example:
04:54<diederik>that's because it's not 10 days (or more) old, which is a 'requirement' for transitioning to testing
04:55<dutchfish>diederik, any link to the RC bugs?
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04:55<dutchfish>diederik, or packagename?
04:55<dutchfish>diederik, thank you so much.
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04:56<diederik>it's being worked on atm (see #debian-kde)
04:56<diederik>but in the case you mentioned, it's just that the 10 days have not passed
04:57<diederik>otherwise it's usually explained (with link) why not
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04:57<dutchfish>diederik, thanks again for the clear explanation.
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06:15<Toni>hay alguien?
06:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:23<byakko>somebody knows how to change the time on debian to be gmt+1?
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07:25<weasel>byakko: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
07:25<byakko>weasel: thanks :)
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07:31<favas>hi i am having a black screen after opening my laptop lid . but i can ssh to it login but the command
07:31<favas>vbetool dpms on
07:31<favas>doesnt work
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07:52<PeterNL>Hi, I have a debian machine with an empty hard drive from an other machine connected. How do I easily install debian on that empty drive?
07:52<Black_Prince>With installer?
07:53<nevyn>PeterNL: the problem is the early stage boot stuff is a pain
07:53<PeterNL>How do I do that?
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07:53<nevyn>I don't know for your specific hardware configuration.
07:54<PeterNL>What do you kneed to know?
07:55<PeterNL>it's two x68 machines with a single drive, but I moved the drive from the older machine into the newer machine. Should I just boot from the live usb and then install things or can I do that from my current install (on the newer drive)
07:56<nevyn>why not just install on the target machine
07:56<nevyn>it's really going to be MUCH easier.
07:57<PeterNL>the target machine is in pieces. It has no cd drive and cannot boot from usb
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07:58<nevyn>PeterNL: the problem is installing grub.
07:58<PeterNL>are there instroctions for that?
07:58<Black_Prince>Master Boot Record is located on disk drive
07:58<nevyn>PeterNL: there's lots of docs on grub.
07:58<Black_Prince>so I don't know why is grub install such problem.
07:59<Black_Prince>UUID's still remain the same
08:00<Black_Prince>Even hardware configuration isn't problem. Debian's default initrd is generic, not targeted (althrough you can choose targeted)
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08:00<PeterNL>what does targeted mean?
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08:00<Black_Prince>Only for target machine
08:00<Black_Prince>The one you are currently running, lets say
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08:01<PeterNL>and what is the hardware is (almost) the same?
08:01<Black_Prince>In other words, it only contains only modules that are necesary for your machine to boot up.
08:01<PeterNL>ok, I understand
08:01<Black_Prince>For first time you can use generic one, later you can switch to targeted, if necesary.
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08:13<nevyn>lots of people never switch to a targeted initrd
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08:15<diederik>nevyn: why would you/anybody, unless you've a (severly) constrained machine
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08:15<nevyn>diederik: faster boot times maybe.
08:16<diederik>thanks: it was meant as a question, since I couldn't think of a reason, but you may be right
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08:25<Black_Prince>I've switched to targeted initrd just because of faster boot
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08:27<diederik>Black_Prince: did you get a noticable improvement?
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08:27<Black_Prince>Considering I use plymouth at boot, yes.
08:27<Black_Prince>It was too big as generic.
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08:28<diederik>ah ok, I have no idea what plymouth is though (can of course google it)
08:28<k1lumin4t1>I have this InfraRed remote controller device, a 1784:0008 TopSeed Technology Corp. eHome Infrared Transceiver (Mediagate GP-IR02BK), under Debian Linux AMD64, Linux 2.6.39 and Lirc 0.9.0-pre1, which is not working thoroughly. The device is transmitting, since, firstly, I can see both the led on the remote side and on the USB receiver side turning on, and, secondly, it manages sound volume, scroll and power off functions propperly.
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08:28<k1lumin4t1>but that's mainly what it only works, no other feature available in the remote works
08:28<Black_Prince>plymouth = boot splash
08:29<mattcen>Hi all. Is somebody able to explain the fundamental requirements to get Debian working with a framebuffer? I can never remember which packages (if any) I need to install to get a framebuffered console...
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08:30<Black_Prince>mattcen, you need graphics card that support framebuffer console, debian fbcon kernel module is built-in - it shout automagicaly switch to framebuffer console.
08:30<Black_Prince>mattcen, or if your card uses KMS, you need to enable it first (intel, radeon, nouveau cards)
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08:31<mattcen>This is an intel card: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
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08:31<Black_Prince>mattcen, does /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf exist?
08:31<mattcen>Black_Prince: No
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08:32<Black_Prince>then run echo "options i915 modeset=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
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08:32<Black_Prince>mattcen, on next reboot you should get framebuffer console.
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08:32<mattcen>Black_Prince: And reboot?
08:33<mattcen>Ah yes, sorry, didn't see your latest message
08:33<Black_Prince>You can try first modprobe -r i915; modprobe i915
08:33<mix22891>i can't access to windows (just to play games)
08:33<Black_Prince>but in most cases, you will get 'FATAL: Module is in use'
08:33<Black_Prince>mix22891, is windows installed?
08:33<mix22891>windows not sowin on grub
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08:34<Black_Prince>mix22891, is os-prober package installed?
08:34<babilen>mix22891: Install os-prober and run "update-grub"
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08:34<mix22891>no Black_Prince
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08:35<Black_Prince>mix22891, do what babilen told you
08:35<babilen>... and show us the output of that and of "os-prober"
08:35<mix22891>sorry what is bablien?
08:35<babilen>I am :)
08:36<Black_Prince>mix22891, first run 'apt-get install os-prober' then 'update-grub'
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08:36<babilen>And paste the output of the "update-grub" command as well as of "os-prober" to
08:37<mix22891>thank you so much!
08:37<mattcen>Black_Prince: Woot! Framebuffery goodness!
08:37<mix22891>i'm happy with linux
08:37<mix22891>linux rocks
08:38<babilen>mix22891: Did it find your windows installation and is it booting now?
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08:38<mix22891>i've got banned from #debian-offtopic ,how do i remove the ban?
08:38<mix22891>yes yes
08:38<mix22891>i find it
08:38<mattcen>Black_Prince: Last question: How did you know what modprobe option I needed? That is, is this documented anywhere that I can refer to?
08:38<dpkg>km is probably Comoros
08:38<mix22891>Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
08:38<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
08:39<Black_Prince>Look at wiki page.
08:39<mattcen>Do I just need to add 'option=1' to whichever driver I am using (be it nouveau, radeon or i915)?
08:39*mattcen reads
08:39<Black_Prince>mattcen, it is modeset=1 to enable and modeset=0 or nomodeset to disable
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08:39<mattcen>Ah! I now know how I fluked getting this working last time!
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08:40<mattcen>I installed Xorg, which would've presumably pulled in xserver-xorg-video-intel, adding in the modprobe option you just gave me
08:41<mix22891>linux is not a grafic place yes?
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08:41<Black_Prince>mattcen, sure. xserver-xorg-video-intel creates /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf with same content.
08:41<mattcen>Thanks a lot Black_Prince. Love quick and easy solutions :-)!
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08:41<mattcen>Black_Prince: Yep, I just read that on the wiki page.
08:42<Guest3375>knoppix is great bro
08:42<Black_Prince>I'll brb
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08:42<Guest3375>i'm new one
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08:43<mix22891>some1 unswure my qustion
08:43<mix22891>i'm sorry about my english!
08:43<devil_>mix22891: en lang preferred :)
08:43<Guest3375>what so
08:44<babilen>!tell mix22891 -about enter
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08:48<mix22891>i've got it!
08:48<mix22891>Linux is not a graphical environment yes?
08:49<mix22891>i want to be sure
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08:50<seeS>well thats a strange question
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08:50<daemonkeeper>Linux is a kernel
08:50<babilen>mix22891: Linux is, first and foremost, the Linux Kernel. There are however graphical environments that are part of a Linux Distribution (such as Debian). What do you mean exactly?
08:50<seeS>Linux by itself with nothing else, has no graphics
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08:51<mix22891>babilen: i can't plat games at linux
08:51<seeS>i can
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09:09<PeterNL>I cannot to create a ext4 partition on my 1TB external usb drive. It's trying for like an hour and nothing is happening
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09:12<jordanm>PeterNL: using mkfs.ext4 command?
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09:13<jordanm>PeterNL: use mkfs.ext4. atleast you will be able to see what it is doing
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09:13<PeterNL>okay, so I should just run the command from the gparted window?
09:14<PeterNL>(fyi: it has been trying for 33mins)
09:14<jordanm>PeterNL: kill the gparted and run it from a terminal
09:14<jordanm>PeterNL: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdg1
09:14<PeterNL>I just canceled the action in gparted.
09:14<jordanm>I would expect it to take 10-20min
09:15<PeterNL>What does -j -O extent -L "" do?
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09:16<jordanm>PeterNL: those are options that you would pass to mke2fs for ext4. not actually required with mkfs.ext4
09:16<PeterNL>The default values are okay?
09:16<jordanm>PeterNL: you can pass them anyways, won't hurt anything
09:17<PeterNL>but the ext3 journal and extents are on by default?
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09:17<PeterNL>and are there any options I want for a large external usb drive?
09:17<PeterNL>...wait a second...
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09:17<PeterNL> dad has to be able to read this on his windows machine...
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09:18<PeterNL>...I shouldn't use ext4 at all ;)
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09:18<dvs>Oh. USB drive. That'll take a LONG time
09:18<jordanm>I would also use -m 0
09:18<jordanm>non-system filesystems do not need to waste space by reserving for root
09:18<daemonkeeper>It won't especially not for ext4
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09:19<PeterNL>What is the best cross platform filesystem for large usb drives?
09:19<PeterNL>fat32 has no journaling, ntfs is unstable on linux and the rest is unsupported in windows, right?
09:19<jordanm>PeterNL: there really isn't one
09:19<PeterNL>that sux
09:19<jordanm>ntfs is not unsntable, just slow
09:20<daemonkeeper>Blame Windows
09:20<daemonkeeper>Or Microsoft
09:20<PeterNL>well, it is unstable. And I do blame MS, but I still have to make this work
09:20<daemonkeeper>It lacks on their side
09:20<nevyn>PeterNL: ntfs-3g has alwayss worked for me.
09:20<bluewater>you can try ext2 , MS-OS has an ext2 driver
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09:21<daemonkeeper>It has not. You can get third party ext drivers
09:21<PeterNL>it usually works, but when a ntfs filesystem becomes corrupt you need windows to repair it.
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09:21<PeterNL>and my dad isn't going to install anything for reading this disk
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09:21<PeterNL>(I believe I have once successfully read ext4 from windows...)
09:21<bluewater>daemonkeeper: yes it is third party for exts ( not native to MS)
09:22<PeterNL>I could create two partitions, one ntfs and one ext4
09:22<bluewater>caps sorry
09:22<PeterNL>but afaik windows cannot read multiple partitions on external drives
09:22<bluewater>daemonkeeper: greetings arno
09:23<PeterNL>but it can read the first one, right? So I have to make the nfst one first and the ext4 one second...
09:23<daemonkeeper>Should I know you? ;)
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09:23<PeterNL>and why are we all still using usb2 for large external drives. When will esata become more common?!
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09:24<PeterNL>damn usb...
09:24<abrotman>when people ask for it?
09:24<daemonkeeper>Well, PeterNL its all about your budget
09:24<bluewater>daemonkeeper: hmm was going by the arno as identified, maybe a diff arno
09:24<daemonkeeper>There are eSata drivers
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09:24<PeterNL>common means on any random machine, including ones I didn't built myself
09:25<daemonkeeper>Well, perhaps USB 3.0 has higher chances then, this is, however not related to the topics of
09:26<PeterNL>yep, true... But anyways, i'll create two partitions...
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09:27*dvs has an external eSATAdrive
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09:28*PeterNL has lots on internal sata drives. And I don't use that usb drive frequently
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09:45<PeterNL>creating a 500GB ntfs partition took only 4secs, why does creating a ext4 partition take so much longer?
09:45<nevyn>creating the partition takes exactly the same time.
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09:46<PeterNL>i mean creating the filesystem on that partition
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09:47<cthuluh>hmm. because?
09:47<PeterNL>because what?
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09:48<Zaba>because ext4 is a different filesystem with a different structure that might require different setup
09:49<PeterNL>But why so long?
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09:49<nevyn>superblock backups etc etc.
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09:49<PeterNL>So it has to write stuff to all those 500GB's and not just the beginning of it?
09:50<nevyn>not all of them
09:50<PeterNL>writing 500GB over a usb connection takes over 4 hours ;)
09:51<daemonkeeper>For the record: Also NTFS takes much longer unless you do fast format which means to write meta data only.
09:51<PeterNL>that's what gparted does by default then
09:51<daemonkeeper>Formatting ext, in particular ext4 does not take much longer, for 500 GiB a few minutes.
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09:52<PeterNL>a few minutes is way longer than 4 seconds
09:52<nevyn>gparted formats the filesystem
09:52<PeterNL>formatting my 60gb PATA drive as ext4 took 3 minutes
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09:53<PeterNL>anyway, patience...
09:53<PeterNL>lots of it
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10:25<PeterNL>heh, my ext4 partition in finaly done. It took over 33 minutes!
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10:26<trojanmaster>33, I lol'd
10:26<PeterNL>what's so funny in 33?
10:26<PeterNL>i'd understand if it was 42 :D
10:26<trojanmaster>just that it's a long time :P
10:27<PeterNL>yep, it is. usb2 is slow. And it just sucks
10:27<trojanmaster>I can't agree more. But there is nothing to do about it
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10:46<Aleric>My PC is using 185 Watt when doing nothing, and 265 Watt when compiling with four cores at 100% :/
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10:46<sney>that's pretty good
10:47<Aleric>Good? I thought the 185 was a bit high
10:47<sney>for 4 cores?
10:47<Aleric>doing nothing :/
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10:47<Aleric>That's 2000 kilowatt.hours per year for doing nothing...
10:47<sney>how many disks?
10:48<sney>yeah, you're basically in server territory. being under 300W is kind of amazing.
10:48<Aleric>Or four, the ramdisk has it's own power supply
10:49<sney>you could build some kind of low-power embedded thing for network services, and leave your workstation off when you don't need it
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10:54<Aleric>Strange, .. I have an ANS910 ramdisk with 16 GB of DIMM's. Today I got up and it had lost it's filesystem. Nothing indicates that there was a powerloss (very probably there wasn't).
10:54<Aleric>So, it must have crashed :/
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11:05<brunelli>Hey .. I'm talking from brazilian ...
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11:05<brunelli>And I don't speak english haha
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11:05<PeterNL>How come you are already talking in english then?
11:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:06<Wyzard>Aleric: That seems rather high -- my quad-core i5 machine uses 100W idle, and 150W with all four cores pegged
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11:06<Wyzard>Aleric: Only one hard drive though
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11:07<brunelli>Well .. I know somethings of english language ...
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11:08<babilen>brunelli: How can we help you?
11:08<PeterNL>brunelli: you can choose, english here or brazilian in #debian-br
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11:08<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
11:08<brunelli>I'm only testings the connection of my Xchat .. Sorry :x
11:08<PeterNL>It's working fine ;)
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11:09<brunelli>Well... Someone is using Debian with GNome 3?
11:09<PeterNL>Well, there is a considerable lag of over 0.5s but thats to the complete other side of the world ;)
11:09<babilen>!tell brunelli -about gnome3
11:09<sney>brunelli: only developers and brave people right now. but it will be in testing soonish, I'm sure.
11:09*PeterNL is brave. But I run gnome2
11:10<PeterNL>I could install testing with gnome3 on my laptop soon
11:10<sney>people who carry sword on battlefield, and know how knobs work, and are not afraaaaaaid
11:10<Wyzard>gnome3 isn't in unstable yet, only experimental
11:11<brunelli>Oh.. I'm thinking on change my distro to Fedora 15 :x
11:11<brunelli>I want to test Gnome 3 xD
11:11<sney>there is probably a livecd somewhere you can use to test
11:11<Wyzard>I've tried it out in F15 on a separate computer
11:11<PeterNL>you can probably find some lost .debs or compile it yourself
11:11<PeterNL>you dn't have to switch distro just to try something
11:12<sney>I recommend waiting for the debian developers to make it smooth
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11:12<Wyzard>I'm not jumping to convert my existing Debian system to Fedora just to get GNOME 3 a month earlier though
11:12<jhutchins_lt>If kde4 is anything to judge by it's going to be pretty rough for at least the next year-and-a-half.
11:12<brunelli>lol, I don't speak english, but I'm understanding what you're saying xD
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11:13<brunelli>well... I'll try to install Gnome 3 on debian ..
11:13<sney>google translate is improving every day
11:13<Wyzard>though I may install F15 on my new laptop (which arrives tomorrow) since sid is in the middle of the transition, and there may be stable->sid upgrade problems
11:14<brunelli>If it's don't work, I try fedora ..
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11:14<brunelli>I'm leaving :D
11:14<brunelli>Nice to meet you
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11:17<babilen>Wyzard: Which transition are you referring to?
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11:18<Wyzard>the GNOME one
11:18<Wyzard>though I don't currently have any packages held back on my sid systems, so maybe it wouldn't be a problem
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11:18<babilen>Ah, no problem with that right now.
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11:19<sney>yeah, the only notable bumpiness with sid these days is udev/initscripts related, afaik
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11:19<Wyzard>Well, I might install F15 anyway, just to get some hands-on time with GNOME 3 while I wait for it in sid :-)
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11:20<sney>does f15 have a livecd with gnome3 on it? I might give it a whirl if it does
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11:21<sney>don't want to go to the trouble of installing it just to noodle around with a DE
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11:23<Wyzard>I use a spare drive in my Windows gaming box for that sort of thing
11:24<Wyzard>temporary installs for testing things
11:24<bluewater>use kvm
11:24<babilen>or virtualbox
11:24<sney>I would do it in virtualbox but it's the time investment
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11:24<Wyzard>I use VMware Workstation, but some things work better when running on bare metal -- either for performance reasons, or needing 3D acceleration
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11:26<PeterNL>doesn't vbox have proper 3d acceleration with linux guests on linux hosts these days?
11:26<sney>I believe it does have dri/glx but it's still a virtualized gpu
11:26<sney>so not feature-complete
11:26<Wyzard>hmm, I don't know... I think I've read something about it having OpenGL support
11:26<Wyzard>I should try it again
11:27<Wyzard>but if it's anything like the Direct3D support in VMware, I'd rather use a real GPU anyway
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11:31<PeterNL>d3d won't really work since they don't have a proper wddm driver.afaik they rely on MS for that
11:32<jhutchins_lt>I would think the hardware and the host OS would be part of what determines VM performance.
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11:34<PeterNL>if you have a windows guest, then the vbox additions video drives should be wddm compatible for thing like aero to work. But vbox cannot do that, so it's just d3d9 and.or opengl acceleration (which I haven't really used)
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11:38<Araneidae>Is there a recommendation somewhere of what to install on a largely unattended public facing server? Just reinstalling after being rooted, would like to avoid it happening again...
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11:38<PeterNL>use strong passwords and install all security updates
11:38<Araneidae>(Public services are SMTP, NTP, SSH)
11:38<Araneidae>Yes. I was a bit remiss with the updates
11:39<thewanderer1>passwords are for wimps, use PKI
11:39<Araneidae>Passwords are immaterial, I disable password login
11:39<Araneidae>over ssh, anyway
11:39<thewanderer1>I recommend grsecurity
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11:39<thewanderer1>it gets as good as the human operator configures it, no less
11:40<Araneidae>Haven't heard of that, will look it up. Going to consider unattended-upgrades, portsentry, tripwire and fail2ban
11:41<babilen>Araneidae: Also read the Securing Debian Manual to get some pointers into other things to do
11:41<Araneidae>Thanks babilen
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11:43<thewanderer1>a pity that Debian doesn't adapt any default security module, as opposed to Ubuntu and OpenSUSE which enable some default hardening options
11:43<Araneidae>Was trying to figure out what had happened (got hit by an exim exploit, and there must have been a second security loophole -- the breakin managed to escalate from exim user to root.
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11:44<thewanderer1>!tell hackpa about es
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11:45<dvs>tell Toni about en
11:45<thewanderer1>Araneidae: or maybe there are parts of exim that run as root anyway
11:45<Toni>idont speak ingles very good
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11:46<Toni>you speak spanhis
11:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:46<Toni>donde es so?
11:46<wintellect>wow, dpkg is quite cool
11:47<thewanderer1>Toni: en
11:47<Toni>me meto en esa pagina?
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11:47<Toni>a alguien le gusta pokemon?
11:47<Araneidae>Oh damn it! When I selected "File Server" from the Install menu, I didn't expect Samba to be installed.
11:48<wintellect>Samba gets installed with cups too :(
11:48<Araneidae>That's annoying, going to have a lot of stuff to remove now
11:48<thewanderer1>Araneidae: that's why I never select anything but the base system ;P
11:48<Araneidae>Yeah. Not sure I feel like starting again
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11:49<Toni>a alguien le gusta pokemon?
11:49<thewanderer1>nah, just strip off all unneeded packages
11:49<Toni>in espanhis
11:49<valdyn>i dont see how you system can be compromised by someone exploiting exim
11:49<valdyn>maybe its really something else
11:50<Toni>de donde sois? si no es mucho preguntar
11:50<thewanderer1>valdyn: but exim needs mailbox access for delivery, doesn't it? so it should have CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE at some point, which makes it a root equivalent... unless I'm misinterpreting something here
11:50<babilen>!es-social thewanderer1
11:50<dpkg>thewanderer1: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:50<Araneidae>valdyn, this sounded just like my break in:
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11:50<babilen>thewanderer1: sorry :)
11:50<babilen>Toni: ^^^
11:50<thewanderer1>babilen: no es un problemo! :P
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11:51<Toni>alguien albla español
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11:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:51<Araneidae>I found the setuid.c file owned by exim, and two compiled versons, one owned by exim, the other by root.
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11:54<thewanderer1>Araneidae: with grsec you would deny exim4 the privileges to change the user to root, or to touch any parts of the system not related to mail... just saying
11:55<Araneidae>thewanderer1, grsecurity is looking a bit scary to me, I'll do all the other stuff first
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11:56<thewanderer1>heh, yeah, it breaks most of the system unti you configure it. but totally worth it :P
11:56<Araneidae>Recompiling the kernel is well enough (but upgrades become more of a headache), but then I have to reconfigure everything.
11:57<petemc>if you were compromised via the exim exploits that were doing the rounds months ago then your problem is you dont keep your software up to date
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11:57<Araneidae>petemc, I'm afraid you're absolutely spot on there
11:57<Araneidae>One of my colleagues was equally unsympathetic
11:57<Araneidae>Is unattended-upgrades to be recommended?
11:58<petemc>they're generally far from ideal
11:58<bluewater>famous quote "pigs bum"
11:58<Araneidae>What's worse, I didn't discover the problem until this week.
11:58<Araneidae>Noticed "interesting" e-mail in my mailq. Whoops
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12:01<Wyzard>The unattended-upgrades question brings to mind something I've wondered about... how do people keep large numbers of Debian servers up-to-date?
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12:02<Wyzard>I have a few Debian VMs as part of my home network's infrastructure, and it's a bit of a pain having to ssh to each one individually and run apt
12:02<Wyzard>That wouldn't scale to tens or hundreds
12:02<Araneidae>Remind me: what is the name of Debian 6? I was running Lenny, presumably 5, but am installing 6 at the moment
12:02<thewanderer1>Wyzard: so far, with my tens of VMs I still use the manual method
12:03<thewanderer1>Araneidae: er, was that a VPS or a physical server?
12:03<jordanm>Wyzard: puppet perhaps
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12:03<Araneidae>thewanderer1, physical server, why?
12:04<jordanm>Wyzard: or for large scale, you can point to a local repo, and only add packages to it when they have been tested for your env. unattended is fine
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12:04<thewanderer1>Araneidae: then run the servers in an OpenVZ container and send the logs to the Host Node
12:04<thewanderer1>so that you see what's happening inside, but the inside can't see that it's being watched
12:04<Wyzard>jordanm: ah, that makes sense
12:04<Araneidae>That's a good idea. Unlikely to be feasible on this particular machine, it's old and barely capable as it is, doubt it can do virtualisation
12:05<Wyzard>OpenVZ doesn't need special hardware support
12:05<thewanderer1>Araneidae: used it on 933MHz, 256MB RAM - just try it
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12:05<Araneidae>Oh, ok, I'll look into it.
12:06<bluewater>man page like :: man approx , there are others like squid , ( but not unattended, not going to go there!)
12:06<thewanderer1>also, set up LVM for the container's root filesystem, and make snapshots so that you can restore it to a sane state
12:06<thewanderer1>(ZFS is better but is a rare commodity nowadays, still)
12:07<Wyzard>I have my VM host configured to take snapshots each week, and keep a few weeks worth of history
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12:08<Araneidae>Presumably I'd have to reinstall to get an LVM for the root filesystem?
12:08<Wyzard>or boot a liveCD, backup the data, set up LVM on the disk, and restore the data
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12:09<PeterNL>How do I create a debian installer on usb? Just write the cd image to the drive?
12:09<abrotman>Wyzard: something like chef?
12:09<Araneidae>PeterNL, I used unetbootin, but I'd like a method that doesn't involve extracting the .iso
12:10<Wyzard>abrotman: looks interesting
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12:10<PeterNL>unetbootin is okay. but I'd like something faster
12:10<Araneidae>Wyzard, got no data yet, just clean reinstalled!
12:10<PeterNL>I could try writing the image directly...
12:10<Araneidae>PeterNL, yes, it was excruciatingly slow to boot
12:11<Wyzard>By "data" I mean all the files, including the ones that make up the OS installation
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12:11<PeterNL>I mean slow to create
12:11<Araneidae>Slower to boot
12:12<PeterNL>slower at both ;)
12:12<PeterNL>but it turns out that I already have ubutnu on that usb drive :D
12:12*PeterNL doer rm -r on it
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12:13<ZykoticK9>PeterNL, with cd1 (dvd1 to I believe) it's a hybrid cd/usb - you can simply cat it to the root of a USB device and it should boot.
12:13<Araneidae>Huh. How come "PermitRootLogin yes" is set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
12:13<Wyzard>I've always wondered why Debian doesn't turn that off by default
12:13<PeterNL>ZykoticK9: cd1? I have just downloaded the netinst image
12:13<abrotman>Wyzard: there's also puppet if you haven't seen that
12:13<ZykoticK9>PeterNL, doesn't work for netinstall!
12:13<Wyzard>abrotman: yeah, jordanm mentioned that a few minutes ago
12:13<abrotman>ah okay
12:14<PeterNL>so I should get the full 650M image just to get usb compatibility?
12:14<PeterNL>okay ;)
12:14<ZykoticK9>PeterNL, i personally used the unsupported unetbootin to create a netinstall USB
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12:14<Araneidae>PeterNL, I've just installed from a netinstall USB image, was fine
12:14<PeterNL>w00t, there are 52 cds!
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12:15<PeterNL>hmm, the mirror is slow. Is there a list of cdimage mirrors?
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12:15<PeterNL>wait, is just became fast again...
12:15<Araneidae>debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso was the one I used
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12:16<ZykoticK9>Araneidae, what method did you use to move the iso to the USB?
12:16<PeterNL>Araneidae: I can just dd that to myy usb drive? Okay :)
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12:17<PeterNL>should i write to shd or shd1?
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12:25<Araneidae>ZykoticK9, unetbootin extracted the iso to the USB, file by file, I think
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12:26<ZykoticK9>Araneidae, ok - unetbootin as well. Thanks.
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12:27<ZykoticK9>PeterNL, see Araneidae's message above. Not sure a dd will do it. Good luck.
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12:37<jhutchins_lt>Current practice recommends using cat to create the USB (or unetbootin).
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12:39<Araneidae>What's the best way to partition my root disk if I'm using LVM and am going to run an OpenVZ guest?
12:40<ZykoticK9>jhutchins_lt, does the netinstall support the catting method?
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12:40<jhutchins_lt>ZykoticK9: Supposed to.
12:41<Araneidae>thewanderer1, you talked using LVM, don't know if I'm doing it right!
12:41<jhutchins_lt>ZykoticK9: I used unetbootin for my squeeze install and the netinst on CD for the etch/lenny installs I did.
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>Araneidae: Single partition + swap, no lvm.
12:42<thewanderer1>jhutchins_lt: I've suggested making LVM snapshots to him
12:42<babilen>ZykoticK9: yes, it is supported and recommended.
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12:42<Araneidae>I'm going to run a VZ guest
12:42<ZykoticK9>jhutchins_lt, on my main system i'm unable to boot any official squeeze media (due to some know bug, explained to me in this channel) but unetbootin works great
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12:43<thewanderer1>Araneidae: how much space have you got there?
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12:43<Araneidae>thewanderer1, around 160G I think, ample
12:43<jhutchins_lt>I don't like lvm - one more thing to go wrong. Snapshots are easy with dd.
12:44<Araneidae>Currently the partitioner is suggesting 0.5G sapw, 0.4G /tmp, 9G /usr, 3G /var, 0.25G /boot and the rest for LVM
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12:44<thewanderer1>Araneidae: so the system root on LVM as well? could work, why not
12:44<thewanderer1>the settings seem fine to me
12:44<Araneidae>I'm pretty clueless about LVM, don't really understand what it's giving me
12:44<Araneidae>Ok, I'll tell it to proceed
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12:45<thewanderer1>although I'd make one more partition for /
12:45<jhutchins_lt>Araneidae: I guarantee that you will end up out of space on one of the system partitions while you have plenty of space on /home.
12:45<Araneidae>Well, I expect the system to stay pretty bare
12:45<Araneidae>It'll need a few services, but not much more
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12:45<thewanderer1>actually, you could just chuck everything together on / (10GB), make swap (1GB), and assign the rest to LVM
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12:46<thewanderer1>makes sense for the host node
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13:21<Araneidae>thewanderer1, was wondering: if the guest is running mail (and thus is vulnerable) how do I get the mail *off* it without exposing a vulnerability? Not fetchmail, God help me?
13:21<thewanderer1>Araneidae: you mean you need an IMAP/POP3 server, or an MTA?
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13:23<Araneidae>Well. The guest will be an MTA, but clearly I don't want my normal sessions there, so ... yes, I guess I need it to be an IMAP or POP3 server too
13:23<thewanderer1>I'm using Dovecot and Postfix here
13:23<Araneidae>At the moment I've just been using /var/mail delivery, so never had to deal with the issue
13:23<thewanderer1> has some really nice howtos on setting that up with virtual users from MySQL or sth like that
13:23<Araneidae>Imagine I'll run spamassassin (with procmail) on the guest
13:24<Araneidae>as I imagine that spamassassin presents a nice wide vulnerability
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13:25*Araneidae used to use fetchmail back when RMS still maintained it
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13:31<thewanderer1>there is an alternative to OpenVZ, Vserver which supports grsecurity in some releases, but overall OpenVZ is in wider use now, and you said it seemed too complex anyway
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13:31<thewanderer1>but there are some guys who made OpenVZ work with grsec, just in case
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13:32<Araneidae>Well, I winced at the prospect of so much reconfiguring to make grsecurity work.
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13:33<Araneidae>Think I'll see what I can make OpenVZ work; still finishing up reinstall of base system (had to go out for a bit inbetween)
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13:44<Araneidae>Hmm... is OpenVZ like a FreeBSD jail? Looking very much like it so far, pretty sure we only ever run the one kernel
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13:47<babilen>Araneidae: Please read
13:47<Araneidae>openvz kernel fails to boot, forces a restart as soon as it tries to load the initial ramdisk
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13:48<Araneidae>Well, KVM is no use to me, this machine is much too old for virtualisation featurs
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13:49<Araneidae>My list of cpu flag (/proc/cpuinfo) is so short I can type it out: fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow
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14:02<archman>what is the right way to set the default tty resolution?
14:03<archman>setting 00_headers file with gfxmode didn't seem to work
14:03<archman>should've i had to reconfigure grub2?
14:03<Black_Prince>!fbcon resolution
14:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.
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14:04<Black_Prince>Wow, this seem to be old.
14:04<archman>this isn't grub2 i guess
14:04<Black_Prince>menu.lst ...
14:04<babilen>archman: You don't change the scripts, but you edit /etc/default/grub -- Read info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'
14:05<Black_Prince>update-grub is still in grub2, but vga= ... is deprecated
14:05<archman>babilen: ok
14:05<archman>Black_Prince: i tried vga= and grub told something, but it was too fast for me to read
14:05<archman>i think it also told what i should do
14:05<babilen>archman: In particular you want to set the GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
14:06<archman>ok, trying
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14:06<babilen>set the latter to "keep", but read the documentation. Please also undo any changes to the scripts you have performed.
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14:07<babilen>archman: And run "update-grub" after you are done.
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14:11<archman>wow, i did 1152x864 and now it looks like it's 3000x2500
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14:11<archman>smallsmall letters
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14:12<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Perhaps the factoid needs to be updated?
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14:18<babilen>jhutchins_lt: fbcon?
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14:20<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Yes.
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14:20<jhutchins_lt>babilen: I think it's fbcon resolution.
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14:21<babilen>yeah, sure
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14:22<Nik05>hey guys i have a small question
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14:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:25<Nik05>if you are not an owner of a dir and that dir has only rwx for the owner can the user still see inside a dir inside the that dir with rxw for everyone?
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14:26<Araneidae>In a word no, at least if you mean permissions drwx------ (700)
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14:27<Nik05>if i have a dir drwx------ A and inside that one drwxrwxrwx B
14:28<Nik05>i cant acces A/B/ ?
14:28<Araneidae>Don't believe so. Try it
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14:28<Nik05>ok thx
14:29<PeterNL>afaik you can acccess B, but you cannot do see the listing of A
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14:30<Nik05>hhm PeterNL the account cant acces A/B/ ....
14:31<Araneidae>I'm pretty sure one of r or x (can never remember which without looking it up or experimenting) blocks precisely that
14:31<Araneidae>or to be precise the absence of r/x blocks
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14:33<Araneidae>r lets you list the contents of the directory, x lets you access a particular entry, so it's x.
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14:38<Nik05>aah ok thx Araneidae but did you say x is access? isnt is execute?
14:39<oasiz>Hey, I ran in to an issue while using dist-upgrade on a 5.0.x Lenny system.. I did the upgrade over SSH according to one guide (one of the first results on google) and all seemed to go fine. When it came time to set up Network manager(?) I lost the connection, well I thought that I'll just let it install and when the system is done I will reboot it. Of crouse this was overconfident and stupid but oh well. Anyway, while everything else seems to be allright so far I
14:39<ZykoticK9>Nik05, x has different meaning for files vs directories
14:39<Nik05>aah ok
14:39<PeterNL>read man chmod. bye all!
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14:39<oasiz>interfaces file still has my old config and lspci seems to list all the adapters.
14:40<Nik05>ZykoticK9 i have a dir A/B/ that has drwxr-xr-x so it has r and x for everyone but i cant access it with the other account
14:40<oasiz>So, TLDR version: Network adapters are lost, interfaces has the old config, lspci lists the adapters.
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14:42<ZykoticK9>Nik05, i did see your issue - sorry, I don't have specific knowledge in that area. Personally I'd try moving the sub-directory out of the parent (with no access). Best of luck.
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14:50<babilen>noko: welcome
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15:49<dominique>i'm trying to configure hdmi output sound... the video is alright, but the sound only works on the notebook, not the tv
15:49<dominique>it works on the tv when i use vlc thought
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15:56<urbanfbi>is there a debian way to get maven3 into debian squeeze?
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16:24<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:25<CcSsNET>hi urbanfbi
16:25<CcSsNET>just think ur irc nickname is funny
16:26<CcSsNET>but as for maven3 is that a codename for apache 3?
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16:29<CcSsNET>ah nvm
16:29<CcSsNET>looked it up
16:30<SynrG>and he's gone (quite a while ago)
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16:36<CcSsNET>o good point
16:36*CcSsNET cant stand web frameworks anyway
16:37<CcSsNET>code it urself lazy people!
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16:48<nowis>hello, is there any way to reduce the font size of the luks passphrase ask dialog at boot ?
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16:55<Anderson_NTBrasil>I'm needing to share the connection to the internet on my LAN being, however, can not I do.
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16:56<sney>Anderson_NTBrasil: I can't understand your question. Maybe you should /join #debian-br
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16:57<Anderson_NTBrasil>I use a wire less router D-Link DI-624. The signal is received via the internet radio on this computer.
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16:59<Anderson_NTBrasil>already come from this channel. I'm just looking for help. already researched a lot about but nothing I try is working.
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17:08<kingsley>If I build bridge "br0" on port eth0, should I also change the network interface in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf from "eth0" to "br0"?
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17:29<tore>ciao...qualcuno mi sa dire come si cercano i canali??
17:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:30<diederik>or ask your question in English
17:31<diederik>type /join #debian-it
17:32<diederik>or click the link
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18:02<lee-0>How do you use the NVIDIA drivers in Debian with self-compiled kernels?
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18:10<diederik>lee-0: I don't know the answer to your issue and if you don't get an answer here, try sending a mail to
18:11<hever>Is there a simple tool that uses the pc speaker and let you play a bit on the keyboard? Like an advanced beep?
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18:15<chealer>!tell lee-0 about ngd
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18:17<Wyzard>lee-0: install module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-source, and do "module-assistant auto-install nvidia-kernel"
18:17<Wyzard>lee-0: That'll build an nvidia-kernel .deb for your running kernel
18:17<babilen>Wyzard, lee-0: We are on it in #debian-next (x-post by lee-0)
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18:32<kingsley>Would it be fair to say that bridges combine multiple NICs into one interface?
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18:34<Wyzard>A Linux network bridge is essentially an Ethernet switch implemented in software
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18:35<kenyon>kingsley: I'm not sure I would say that. I would say bridging makes an Ethernet-layer connection between multiple interfaces.
18:35<grove>kingsley: No, combining multiple NICs is called bonding
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18:38<grove>Well, technically it depends on what you mean by "combine", but I have a hard time imagining a meaning that would bridging
18:38<kingsley>Would you consider a bridge named "br0" to be an "switch", "connection", "interface", "device", combination or something else?
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18:38<Wyzard>kingsley: switch
18:38<grove>A switch basically is a (fast) multiport bridge
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18:38<Wyzard>grove: Well, you put in several interfaces (eth0, eth1, etc.) and get one interface (br0)
18:39<Wyzard>so I can see how the term "combine" could apply, but it's ambiguous because it also applies to bonding
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18:39<uksil>what is bonding
18:39<grove>Wyzard: Okay. So I only have a hard time imaging an interesting meaning of "combine" that would mean bridging
18:39<kingsley>grove: You pose a fair observation that the word "combine" can be ambiguous.
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18:40<kingsley>grove: In my case, I'm considering editing /etc/network/interfaces to have a bridge named "br0" that will connect a private network (192.168) to a virtual machine.
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18:41<Wyzard>That's a common thing do do
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18:42<Wyzard>and we discussed it yesterday on freenode -- I'm surprised you're still "considering" it
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18:42<grove>kingsley: I akready have such a bridge, but I would call it combining eth0 and the interfaces in the virtual machines
18:43<kingsley>Wyzard: If I understand you correctly, you wrote that bridging could be considered to combine several interfaces into one, which would make sense to me.
18:43<kingsley>Wyzard: Do I understand you?
18:44<Wyzard>kingsley: No, you wrote that, and I said it works like a switch
18:45<supaplex>I have a squeeze x64 install cd, and everything went pretty well, except for grub. configuring grub installer failed with error code 1 mostly luks+lvm+xfs, but / is ext3 (and is boot too, not lvm, no luks) Any ideas how to workaround this?
18:45<valdyn>kingsley: combining several interfaces into one is called bonding, not bridging
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18:46<valdyn>supaplex: please google for that error code yourself, dont let us do that
18:46<grove>uksil: Bonding (in Linux) is a way to take several interfaces and create a new that either balances traffic between the interfaces or just fails over in case either link goes down - it requires support in the other end
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18:47<kingsley>Is my understanding correct that bridge names, like "br0" for example, can be passed as interface parameters to networking tools like tcpdump?
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18:47<uksil>grove: Wait, I could balance my bittorrent traffic between two WAN interfaces?
18:47<Wyzard>kingsley: yes, a bridge is a network interface, just like any other interface
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18:48<uksil>I thought it would involve some wizard magic with application aware multi-homing if I knew what that meant.
18:48<valdyn>uksil: you can balance it without actual bonding
18:48<supaplex>valdyn: if this screws up, I don't want to start over. It took hours to initalize the luks volume.
18:48<Wyzard>uksil: bonding isn't really multi-homing, it's using several network cables in parallel as if they were a single, higher-bandwidth cable
18:48<Wyzard>They have to connect to the same things on both ends afaik
18:48<uksil>valdyn: Yeah, I could have one rtorrent session outbound on one WAN wanting half, and another one doing the other.
18:49<grove>uksil: As I said, it requires support at the other end. I'll guarantee you, that your ISP does not support bonding
18:49<uksil>Wyzard: I thought that was LACP
18:49<Wyzard>You wouldn't use bonding to connect to two different ISPs
18:49<valdyn>uksil: or iptables can distribute that trafic
18:49<uksil>grove: I have two different ISPs that would go into a single Soekris box.
18:49<Wyzard>(afaik, but I haven't actually used it)
18:49<valdyn>uksil: so we got 3 layers this can be done at
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18:49<uksil>valdyn: I see iptables, rtorrent, and what is the third?
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18:50<valdyn>uksil: bonding is probably superior in some ways, but it also needs support on the remote end
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18:50<valdyn>uksil: the 3rd is bonding
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18:50<uksil>valdyn: Mmmm, I don't think I'd have an ISP that would do that. I'd need another line too.
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18:51<uksil>Unless I could do bonding on top of tcp over some tunnel?
18:51<uksil>to a vps..
18:51<valdyn>uksil: sure thats possible too
18:51<valdyn>uksil: im not sure that would be efficient though
18:51<uksil>okay, udp tunnel with tcp inside
18:52<grove>uksil: There are way too many ways that could break, to be even remotely worth considering
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18:52<valdyn>uksil: if you can cope with having 2 bittorrent clients then thats the best
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18:52<uksil>I don't see why I couldn't cope.
18:52<valdyn>uksil: everything else just gets more complex and harder to maintain
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18:53<uksil>like hird
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18:53<dabir>hi. i had this problem yesterday: my laptop speakers don't disable when i plug in my headphones
18:53<uksil>line jack sense in alsa/pulseaudio
18:53<uksil>check the driver matrix on the alsa wiki
18:53<uksil>talk to that one guru on freenode too
18:54<grove>uksil: (I don't use bittorrent much), but two clients shouldn't be downloading the same file (I can't see any problems in having several bittorrent clients serving the same file)
18:54<kingsley>Wyzard: Would you agree that bridges are logical interfaces that combine physical interfaces by acting as a switch?
18:54<valdyn>kingsley: no, thats wrong
18:54<uksil>grove: Well that would be obvious. The bittorrent protocol has everything in chunks and I would do halfsies
18:54<dabir>uksil: can you please explain what do i do??
18:54<uksil>Even on a single file, could be possible.
18:54<kingsley>valdyn: Please elaborate.
18:55<uksil>dabir: Nah, I don't even know how linux sound works. I use OSS.
18:57<valdyn>kingsley: read
18:57<Wyzard>kingsley: yes, I think that's a reasonably accurate statement
18:57<valdyn>kingsley: except where they say "ethernet" just ignore that word, ethernet or no ethernet is irrelevant
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18:58<Wyzard>kingsley: You already know how to set up the bridge -- I told you how to do it yesterday, and answered some more questions about it today
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18:58<Wyzard>kingsley: Why are you so concerned with finding the ideal wording to describe what a bridge is?
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19:00<kingsley>Wyzard: First of all, thank you for so patiently answering my questions. I'm interested in accurate descriptions of bridging to clarify my understanding of how bridges work.
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19:01<Wyzard>kingsley: and "like a switch" isn't adequate, so you need to rephrase it?
19:01<uksil>like a hub
19:02<Wyzard>uksil: No, like a switch -- afaik it keeps track of what MACs are on each port, so it doesn't have to broadcast
19:02<uksil>like a smart hub that keeps track of mac addressing
19:03<grove>Wyzard: It has to broadcast when seeing traffic to an unknown MAC, but else you're right
19:03<Wyzard>uksil: That's what a switch is
19:03<valdyn>hub or switch, thats just an implementation detail
19:03<supaplex>even a switch has to flood all ports with the frame, if the destination mac is unknown to what port it resides near
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19:04<Wyzard>Strictly speaking, a switch is (logically) a matrix of bridges connecting each pair of ports, but that's a slightly different meaning of "bridge" than in the Linux br0 sense
19:04*kingsley wonders if bridges are considered switches at OSI model level 2, and interfaces at a higher level.
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19:05<supaplex>interface is level1
19:06<uksil>Wyzard: can one arp poison a linux bridge like a physical switch
19:06<Wyzard>never tried it, but probably
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19:07<grove>kingsley: bridges (in the strict sense that technically a little different from the Linux sense) are more fundamental than switches, so it's more like switches are considered bridges
19:07<Wyzard>but at least you can run arpwatch on Linux
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19:08<Wyzard>though I guess you could run arpwatch even if you're using a normal switch; it'd see the same ARP packets that the switch does
19:08<uksil>Wyzard: Does arpwatch exist for *BSD
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19:09<Wyzard>no idea
19:10<Wyzard>I'd guess probably, since programs like that are typically written to be portable
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19:11<kingsley>supaplex: I may owe you an apology for being ambiguous. I probably should have written that I wonder if bridges are considered switches at OSI model level 2, and interfaces at a higher level, like passing "br0" to tcpdump. In that context, it seems to me that interfaces like "br0" and "eth0" belong at a level higher than the first, which I've read is for media, signal and binary transmission.
19:11<cthuluh>dealing with low-level interfaces and be portable is perhaps not as easy as one could think
19:12<uksil>osi level 2 has two levels
19:12<uksil>I like that 4 layer model
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19:13<kingsley>supaplex: Having said that, I have not yet found which level "eth0" and "br0" belong to.
19:13<cthuluh>seems like everyone disagrees about the number of levels, sadly 8)
19:13<Wyzard>kingsley: #debian isn't an appropriate place for abstract discussions about the OSI stack
19:13<kingsley>Wyzard: Duly noted.
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19:15<lux>Would anyone be willing to answer some questions that are relatively basic, but I just can't quite figure out?
19:15<devil>lux: just ask
19:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:18<devil>!tell lux ubuntu
19:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:18<supaplex>kingsley: switches and bridges do the same tasks. every argument for a switch usually carries over for a bridge, and vice-versa. They are much the same. :) A bridge looks at layer2 information to make decisions to forward traffic, as does a switch, so it's layer2.
19:19<kingsley>supaplex: Yes, I'm inclined to agree.
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19:21<borges>anyone awake?
19:21<supaplex>uksil: i've used arpwatch on bsd, some years ago.
19:21<supaplex>borges: define awake. ;)
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19:25<borges>sorry, was just testing a client
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20:02<dabir>how to set my laptop to auto-detect headphones when plugged in? sound plays out of both of them..
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20:04<dabir>or how do i turn off the main laptop speakers? is there a switch? alsamixer doesn't see the device
20:05<dabir>i've had this issue for a while now.. :/
20:06<supaplex>dabir: i get the same issue on my toshiba laptop. no clue why so far.
20:06<kenyon>dabir: I think that's usually a hardware function, not something even visible to the operating system
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20:08<supaplex>too bad I didn't leave windows installed. maybe I could have checked.
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20:09<dabir>i'm really a newb at these kinda things.. -__-
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20:10<diederik>dabir: check your bios settings, maybe you can disable it from there
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20:17<dabir>i just checked my bios.. couldn't find anything there
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20:17<dabir>at least i think it was the bios.. pressing f2 before system boot up, right?
20:18<diederik>yeah, that usually gets you into your bios. bummer.
20:21<dabir>hmm my sound stopped altogethr. gonna reboot again, brb
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20:25<adrianoc>when i run xvidcap, i have error: Error accessing sound input from /dev/dsp Sound disabled!
20:25<adrianoc>but sound works fine.
20:26<adrianoc>i play mp3 in VLC
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20:26<adrianoc>anybody help me ?
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20:27<MrFrood>does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" produce an audio output?
20:28<dabir>i got sound to work again..
20:28<dabir>found this;
20:29<dabir>and did that but still not auto detection
20:29<MrFrood>so alsa is working then
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20:31<adrianoc>i try, modprobe snd-pcm-oss, but to run, xvidcap, i have the error: xtoffmpeg.c add_audio_stream(): Can't initialize fifo for audio recording
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20:32<MrFrood>oss and alsa are differnt non-compatable sound devices
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20:34<MrFrood>the alsa-oss may help you
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20:34<MrFrood>oops... the alsa-oss package may help you
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20:35<mattcen>Hi again all. I've forgotten which package I need to reconfigure to allow X11 to be started by all local users, and not just root
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20:36<MrFrood>adrianoc: also try #alsa on
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20:37<mattcen>Nevermind; found it: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
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20:38<dabir>ithink i have to edit '/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf' with: "options snd-hda-intel model=???" but do not know what to put for "???"
20:38<dabir>here are some links i found:
20:39<dpkg>In Squeeze and later releases, <alsaconf> is not available; ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. You can try to configure <ALSA> by running 'alsactl init' as root - ignoring the 'Unknown hardware' error message - then reboot and test your audio device.
20:41<dabir>i have alsa
20:42<dabir>i'm not sure what am i supposed to do
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20:42<edbian>hostname.local isn't working for me. What am I missing? avahi-daemon is installed>
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20:43<MrFrood>dabir: try the above if that does not helpthen /msg dpkg alsa checklist
20:43<Wyzard>edbian: What's on the "hosts:" line in your /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
20:44<dabir>okay i ran 'alsactl init' but i don't understand.. am i supposed to reboot now and it will work?
20:44<edbian>Wyzard: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 What does this all mean?
20:45<Wyzard>hmm, looks right... and presumably you have the libnss-mdns package installed
20:45<edbian>Wyzard: I am familiar with the idea that it will look in local file first when finding hosts then mdns4
20:45<edbian>Wyzard: It is.
20:45<MrFrood>dabir: it might work it might not only one way to find out
20:46<Wyzard>It means that to look up a name, first check /etc/hosts, then check mdns in a way that only answers for .local
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20:46<Wyzard>and if it says there's no such host, stop looking, because such names shouldn't be in DNS
20:46<eloystebam>speak spanish
20:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
20:46<Wyzard>otherwise (e.g. not .local), check DNS, and if it's not there, then check mdns again
20:47<edbian>Wyzard: So what's up then? Why isn't it working.
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20:48<edbian>Maybe that machine isn't on my LAN. I'm at school. This machine the 'client' is connected via LAN and it has a address. The target machine has
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20:48<Wyzard>If they aren't in the same broadcast domain, they won't see each other with mdns
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20:49<edbian>Wyzard: ahhh, thanks
20:49<Wyzard>unless there's a DNS server in between that's configured to relay mdns records, which there probably isn't
20:49<edbian>Wyzard: Apparently not.
20:50<edbian>Next question. Can I make a ln to a folder? Does it have to be hard or something?
20:50<MrFrood>adrianoc: I noticed that #alsa is quiet and you still have no answer ##linux on freenode is smi-active maybe someone there can help
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20:51<Wyzard>edbian: Only root can make hard links to directories
20:51<Wyzard>edbian: anyone can symlink to a directory
20:52<edbian>Wyzard: Should I make a soft link? Why the distinction? I know hard links copy the data, so what?
20:52<Wyzard>Hard links don't copy anything
20:52<kingsley>Is my understanding correct that "$ /etc/init.d/networking restart" re-reads /etc/network/interfaces and re-configures networking accordingly?
20:53<Wyzard>Hard links give you two indistinguishable names for the same data
20:53<Wyzard>With symlinks, there's a file, and there's a link to the file, and the two are different and one of them is clearly the link
20:53<edbian>Wyzard: mmmm
20:53<edbian>I see
20:53<Wyzard>When you make a hard link, the result is that both of them are the file
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20:53<edbian>Wyzard: Similar to pointer logic in C++ then? The reference and the data.
20:54<Wyzard>pointers in C++ are distinct from the data they point to, so they're more like symlinks
20:54<Wyzard>Think of C++ references instead
20:54<Wyzard>int a; int &b = a;
20:54<Wyzard>now a and b are the same integer
20:54<edbian>a is the data
20:54<edbian>b is the data
20:54<edbian>ok thanks
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20:55<Wyzard>The problem with making hard links to directories is that you can create a loop in the filesystem hierarchy: a directory that contains itself
20:55<Wyzard>and that can't be deleted, because a directory can only be deleted if it's empty, but it's not empty if it contains itself
20:55<edbian>So it will never be empty
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20:55<Wyzard>That's why only root can do it
20:55<edbian>Thanks for the lesson! :)
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20:56<edbian>Very helpful. Another question. Just created a symlink (ln -s) in another user's home folder. I had to be root to drop it there. Now I can't chmod it to their user. Why?
20:56<supaplex>you'll get his bill ;)
20:56<Wyzard>If you do that by accident, btw, there's another root-only command that can be used to delete a directory even if it's not empty
20:56<Wyzard>I don't remember what it is, though -- I thought it was an option of "rm", but I can't find it in the manpage
20:56<edbian>Wyzard: rm -r !!
20:56<edbian>just kidding
20:57<supaplex>debugfs or something like that?
20:57<supaplex>but you'll def want to fsck after
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20:58<edbian>I tried to chmod the link and the effects were applied to the folder the link pointed too! Very neat
20:58<edbian>So how can I change the ownership of the link itself?
20:58<Wyzard>You can change the owner of the symlink using "chown -h"
20:59<Wyzard>You can't change the permissions because the permissions of symlinks aren't used (that's why they always show as "lrwxrwxrwx" in "ls -l" output)
20:59<edbian>Wyzard: Thanks
20:59<edbian>Wyzard: Thanks. Why bother changing the owner then? It doesn't make a difference
20:59<Wyzard>kingsley: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" basically does "ifdown -a" and then "ifup -a"
21:00<Wyzard>Only the owner can change where the link points
21:00<Wyzard>Other than that, I don't think it matters much, but there are probably other cases I'm not thinking of
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21:02<edbian>Last question. How can I view the current umask on a folder?
21:03<Wyzard>umasks aren't per-file, they're per-process
21:03<Arrowmaster>folders dont have umasks (unless your using acl's which i doubt you are)
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21:04<Wyzard>File permissions are governed by the umask of the process that created the file, not the directory it's in
21:04<edbian>How can I control the default permissions of a file when it is created in a certain folder?
21:04<edbian>I thought this was umask
21:04<Arrowmaster>you would have to use acl's
21:04<Wyzard>You can use ACLs for that -- set a "default ACL" on the directory
21:04<Wyzard>I don't remember the syntax, but take a look at the "setfacl" command in the "acl" package
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21:05<edbian>Basically, I'm trying to point this user's Desktop folder at my user's desktop folder. (So they're the same) But as we each dump files there it's going to get annoying because we won't have write access to each other's files. What is the best way to solve this problem? Access Control Lists??
21:06<edbian>(The symlink is working. I chmod'd 777 the folder) We're the only two users and it will stay that way. I don't wanna bother with a group for it.
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21:08<Wyzard>You can create a group that you're both members of, and make that group own the directory
21:08<Vyrus001>anybody else getting dependancy errors for
21:08<Vyrus001>libssl-dev and 0.9.8 are installed
21:08<Vyrus001>still gettin ers
21:08<Wyzard>and turn on its setgid flag so that newly-created files will belong to the group too
21:08<Wyzard>but you still need group-write permission on the files, and I think you need to use umasks for that
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21:09<edbian>Wyzard: That will solve the permissions problem? Group doesn't seem to get write access by default. not from touch or mkdir anyway.
21:10<Wyzard>right, because of umask
21:10<Arrowmaster>use setguid on the directory
21:10<edbian>Wyzard: So how does putting them in the same group help anything?
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21:11<Arrowmaster>edbian: chmod g+s dir
21:11<Wyzard>because then group permissions *can* be used to give you both write access
21:11<edbian>Arrowmaster: So that means files created inside that directory inherit the group permissions of that directory?
21:11<Wyzard>Arrowmaster: That'll make new files belong to the group, but won't necessarily make them group-writable
21:11<edbian>It will just make them below to the group?
21:11<Arrowmaster>chmod g+sw dir
21:12<cthuluh>but you'll have to take care of umask anyway
21:12<edbian>I want new files to be writeable by a certain group if they're placed in /home/user/Desktop
21:12<cthuluh>as Wyzard said many times
21:12<edbian>Arrowmaster: repeating it doesn't make it right
21:12<Arrowmaster>that should make the files created afterwards both belong to the group and group writable
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21:12<edbian>cthuluh: umask is per-process. I'm not going to check the umask of every process on the system
21:12<cthuluh>edbian: then you need acls
21:12<cthuluh>(oh, already been said that?)
21:12<Wyzard>Arrowmaster: nope
21:12<edbian>cthuluh: That's the best / only way?
21:12<Wyzard>edbian: umasks are inherited from parent process to child
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21:13<cthuluh>edbian: not the best or only but the one you want
21:13<Wyzard>Just put a umask command in your ~/.profile or something, and it'll apply to all the processes in your login session
21:13<edbian>cthuluh: If it is not best and it is not only then it is not the one I want.
21:13<cthuluh>because you can't deal with umask by yourself
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21:13<edbian>Wyzard: Oh yeah? I can set the umask in one central place?
21:13<Arrowmaster>not really
21:14<cthuluh>edbian: use acls. period
21:14<Arrowmaster>since processes can change it
21:14<edbian>I read here: That processes can change the umask if they so choose
21:14<Wyzard>cthuluh: Won't a umask block out bits from a directory's defualt ACL too?
21:14<edbian>Arrowmaster: :P yeah that
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21:14<Arrowmaster>Wyzard: afaik acl overrides umask
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21:15<Wyzard>edbian: but most don't, so they inherit the default established by your ~/.profile
21:15<adminewb>Failing here to install debian 6.0.1a amd64 from CD. It's consistent about where it fails, after manual partition & reformatting the swap areas, which don't need any reformat. That is, they've already been mounted for swap with another linux installation on the same disks (doubtful if paging out to the space was ever necessary). If I posted my syslog, could someone help diagnose?
21:15<Wyzard>edbian: If directory ACLs override umasks like Arrowmaster says, then you can ignore umasks and just use setfacl
21:15<adminewb> (syslog) & (/proc/cpuinfo)
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21:15<edbian>Wyzard: So occasionally (depending on how the files get to Desktop) there is going to be a problem if I try to just set the umask
21:15<edbian>Wyzard: I think I am going to try ACL and see how it goes
21:15<cthuluh>edbian: anyway, the simplest and most straightforward solution is to write a dumb cron entry that will chmod -R g+w that dir
21:16<cthuluh>edbian: but you need the best solution
21:16<adminewb>manual partitioning was only about assigning ext4 partitions already present and setting mount points and options, which is probably why I'm having trouble where others don't
21:16<cthuluh>and you can't hear
21:16<Arrowmaster>adminewb: just reformat the swap, it will still be usable by the other install
21:16<cthuluh>nor listen
21:16<adminewb>Arrowmaster, yes it does, and every time it puts a new UUID on it, which is a pain
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21:17<Arrowmaster>just skip the swap then and add it to the debian install after the first boot
21:17<adminewb>it's senseless to talk about "formatting" swap in any case
21:17<adminewb>hmm will try that
21:17<edbian>cthuluh: If you don't want to help me then don't. Please don't insult me while I'm trying to learn.
21:17<adminewb>thanks Arrowmaster
21:18<Wyzard>adminewb: in-target: Can't exec "apt-get": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress line 130, <STDIN> line 1.
21:18<Wyzard>That seems strange
21:18<cthuluh>edbian: you've been given at least three solutions and you didn't test any, but you took the time to discuss them. is that learning?
21:18<adminewb>let me look Wyzard
21:18<uksil>It is learning.
21:19<uksil>Application of what you learn is different.
21:19<Wyzard>adminewb: You said the install fails, but you didn't say what actual error you encounter... that's at the end of the log you pasted, and looks like an error message
21:19<edbian>cthuluh: ? yes
21:19<edbian>Discussing is learning
21:19<adminewb>Wyzard correct
21:19<Wyzard>adminewb: (btw, when you post pastebin links, it helps if you includ the "http://" so people can easily click to open them)
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21:20<uksil>Wyzard: I usually leave that out so people don't get lazy and click on just any link, they have to look at then copy + paste it into a browser or somesuch. Makes you aware of where you're going.
21:21<Wyzard>uksil: If someone opens links without looking at them, that's their own problem, but if you're putting a pastebin link in the channel, it's because you *want* people to look at it
21:21<uksil>I care about other people's problems though :(
21:21<edbian>The point is that if you're maliciously putting links into a channel that might disguise it as a pastebin link.
21:22<Wyzard>adminewb: From that error it looks like the base system wasn't correctly extracted into the /target mount, but I don't see any other messages that indicate the cause
21:22<Wyzard>edbian: making your own non-malicious links harder to open does nothing to protect the channel against other people's malicious links
21:22<adminewb>at some stage, I probably got part of a base install put in place, which may be part of the trouble
21:23<adminewb>I'm not so sure
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21:24<Wyzard>adminewb: Did you reformat the filesystem (ext4 or whatever) as part of the partitioning step?
21:24<edbian>Wyzard: cthuluh Arrowmaster Thank you all for the help. #debian always proves to be full of extremely knowledgeable people.
21:24<adminewb>Wyzard, no reformat of ext4's only swap
21:24<Wyzard>edbian: you're welcome
21:25<Wyzard>adminewb: Unless there's important data that you need to keep, it'd be a good idea to format them to get them into a consistent state
21:25<adminewb>I can mount those ext4's assigned to debian with no trouble, so I can manually remove all those base install files & folders before a retry
21:25<Wyzard>and if they do contain important data, you should think twice about installing a new OS on top of them (other than /home, of course)
21:26<adminewb>"/home" is already full of stuff ofc
21:26<edbian>It is really hard to believe that sharing a folder between 2 users is so difficult in linux!
21:27<dvs>edbian: So hard? How so?
21:28<edbian>dvs: Well you can read the discussion we just had on how to do it. Also there is this:
21:28<Wyzard>adminewb: Don't reformat /home, of course, but do reformat the other partitions that'll just contain Debian stuff and not user files
21:29<Wyzard>adminewb: I don't know if that'll help with the present problem because it's not clear what's causing the present problem, but it might, and it's not a bad idea regardless
21:29<Arrowmaster>edbian: there is a fuse bind mount that can do what you want
21:29<adminewb>thanks Wyzard, I'd prefer to remove files & directories, rather than reformat, which seems like overkill
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21:29<edbian>Arrowmaster: i see that! bindfs
21:29<Arrowmaster>ah yes its listed on that page you linked
21:30<edbian>thanks again!
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21:30<adminewb>thanks all; back later with more data points
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21:34<jhutchins_lt>Wow. Nobody ever heard of groups?
21:35<jhutchins_lt>I mean, just because an Ubuntu user can't figure something out doesn't mean that it's not possible in linux.
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21:36<Wyzard>jhutchins_lt: If you're talking about edbian's shared-directory question, groups were discussed
21:36<jhutchins_lt>... or even difficult.
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21:37<Arrowmaster>really bindfs is the best solution for what he wanted
21:37<jhutchins_lt>Wyzard: Did sticky bits come up?
21:37<Wyzard>setgid, yes
21:37<Wyzard>sticky (like /tmp) wouldn't have been appropriate
21:37<jhutchins_lt>Personally I use samba for that because the files are all on the server anyway.
21:38<jhutchins_lt>There are also linux ACLs.
21:38<Wyzard>which were a recommended solution
21:40<Wyzard>You can't belittle people's intelligence for not thinking of the "obvious" solution without even checking to see whether that solution was, in fact, put forth
21:40<Arrowmaster>jhutchins_lt: in the ubuntu page he linked, ACLs were cited as not working because moving files doesnt effect their permissions
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21:41<Arrowmaster>and i think even setgid on the dir suffers from that problem as well
21:41<Wyzard>I've always considered that a big limitation of POSIX ACLs vs. NTFS ACLs
21:41<cthuluh>people seem to just be unable to work together (eg. caring about permissions of files they create)
21:41<Wyzard>default ACL only affects files when they're initially created; there's no dynamic inheritance from parent to child
21:42<MrFrood>-wasn't the "obvious" solution to print everything out as a hard copy then to photocopy it all and snail-mail it to each user..? :P
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21:42<cthuluh>it just makes sense to chmod g+w files you want writable. but no. too easy...
21:42<Arrowmaster>yeah, i rather like the inherited ACLs of ntfs
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21:43<Wyzard>You can do chmod -R
21:43<Wyzard>and I think Windows does something similar behind the scenes -- if you change an ACL on a folder that has lots of children, it can take awhile to apply the changes
21:44<Wyzard>but it's nicer when the OS automatically ensures that all the inherited permissions are consistent when they change, rather than having to do it by hand
21:45<Wyzard>as a way to implement dynamic ACL inheritance?
21:45<Wyzard>interesting idea
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21:46<simonlnu>set to keep an eye on the relevant changes, make it do something
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21:47<Wyzard>watch for changes on the directory's default ACL, and update all the files (and subdirectory default ACLs) accordingly
21:47<Wyzard>It could work, though the changes would happen invisibly in the background, with no feedback to tell the user when the ACL change is "done"
21:48<Wyzard>might be race conditions if the directory's ACL changes several times in a short period
21:51<simonlnu>man incrond : BUGS : incrond is currently not resistent against looping. Recursive monitoring (whole subtrees) has not been implemented yet.
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22:05<Wyzard>A separate service, using inotify directly, might be better anyway
22:05<Wyzard>but it'd have to implement recursive monitoring too (inotify doesn't do it)
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22:23<Arrowmaster>another option would be to do it with fuse similar to how bindfs works
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23:35<sosaited>I am trying to manuall install onBoard (Aan on-screen keyboard I used to have in Ubuntu). But before that will, run I needed "Python-virtkey". While trying to install that, I am getting a bunch of errors and the last one is "error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1"
23:35<sney>do you have build-essential installed?
23:36<uksil>If anyone has used ffmpeg/mplayer(anything with libavcodec etc) what does <number> tbn mean for metadata of a video stream?
23:38<sosaited>sney, No I totally forgot to install that. Thanks I'll try again after installing it.
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23:42<sosaited>sney, Installed buiild-essential but getting the same errors
23:43<sney>you're probably missing some dependency. there are -dev packages you need to install when building things from source, and they vary depending on what you're building
23:45<sosaited>sney, Yeah but it usually tells which packages are needed to install stuff. But I guess this is python install so it is not listing the unmet dependencies. Among the first few lines is "src/python-virtkey.h:37:24: error: X11/XKBlib.h: No such file or directory". So I am guessing X dev libraries are needed? What would be the relevant package for that in Debian?
23:46<sney>sosaited: install apt-file and when it says it can't find a .h file, do apt-file search filename.h
23:46<sney>e.g. apt-file search XKBlib.h
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23:56<sosaited>sney, I did a search for the file, and it is present in multiple locations.
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23:57<sosaited>sney, "src/python-virtkey.h:33:24: error: X11/keysym.h: No such file or directory" I am guessing that script needs it to be in X11/... ?
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