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00:15<I_am_deads>What makes debian any better than other distributions? What makes linux better than any other OS?
00:17<nevyn>I_am_deads: debian is better than other distros/os's for me because it aligns to values that are important to me and gives me flexibility and utility.
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00:18<nevyn>I_am_deads: but it depends on what's important to you.
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00:18<Mythographvs>Someone's been reading too much Plato.
00:19<I_am_deads>There is no such thing as too much knowledge
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00:19<Wyzard>but you shouldn't ask a question of fact about a matter of opinion
00:19<Mythographvs>Yes there is. I'm having too much knowledge of you.
00:20<Wyzard>no need to be rude
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01:13<sosaited>I was about to install python and python-dev and apt-get said "these packages are no longer needed... etc". And I entered apt-get autoremove. But now I see a plaethora of softwares being removed, which I am pretty sure are needed to run debian. http://pastebin.com/fwLLjeGV What the heck should I do now?
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01:20<sosaited>anyone?
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01:23<LinuxX>does eyefinity works under gnu/linux debian 6.1 squeeze ?
01:23<Wyzard>There's no 6.1, it's 6.0.1
01:23<Wyzard>no idea about eyefinity though
01:24<sosaited>I was about to install python and python-dev and apt-get said "these packages are no longer needed... etc". And I entered apt-get autoremove. But now I see a plaethora of softwares being removed, which I am pretty sure are needed to run debian. http://pastebin.com/fwLLjeGV What the heck should I do now?
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01:24<LinuxX>der gnu/linux debian 6.0.1 squeeze ? " 10x wyzard :)"
01:24<LinuxX>does eyefinity works under gnu/linux debian squeeze ?
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01:26<Wyzard>sosaited: Did you remove a package with lots of dependencies, like gnome?
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01:26<Wyzard>Most of the packages in that list look like gnome dependencies
01:26<sosaited>Wyzard, I myself didn't remove anything. It just gave me that autoremove message and I was hasty enough to do it without looking at the packages
01:27<sosaited>Before I booted this time, I removed vidalia though
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01:27<Wyzard>apt keeps track of which packages are installed because you specifically asked for them, and which are installed only because something else depends on them
01:28<Wyzard>"autoremove" removes packages that were installed only because something depended on them, but nothing depends on them anymore
01:28<sosaited>Wyzard, hal stuff and gdm etc etc are all the things that are necessary for booting as far as I know,
01:28<Wyzard>hal is obsolete
01:29<sosaited>Wyzard, What should I do now? I am almost 100% sure that either I'll boot into console if I restart or won't be able to boot at all. So should I just install all of these right now?
01:29<Wyzard>gdm displays a graphical login screen, but the system will boot fine without it (you just won't have a graphical login screen)
01:30<Wyzard>If there are packages there that you want, "apt-get install" the package (even if it's already installed) -- that should mark it as being there because you want it, so it and its dependencies won't be autoremoved
01:30<Wyzard>If you use gnome, "apt-get install gnome" should cover most of those
01:30<sosaited>Wyzard, Netowrk-manager and gedit included I guess?
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01:31<Wyzard>I don't know if network-manager is in gnome's dependency tree, but gedit is
01:31<Arrowmaster>network-manager-gnome is a recommend i think
01:31<Wyzard>Anyway, the fact that apt wants to autoremove all those means that at some point, something that depended on them was installed, and was later removed
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01:32<Wyzard>ok, then it should be retained
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01:32<Wyzard>sosaited: FWIW, I don't see anything in that list whose removal would prevent your system from booting
01:33<LinuxX>does eyefinity works under gnu/linux debian squeeze ?
01:33<Wyzard>It's all applications and their libraries, not system-level stuff
01:33<sosaited>Wyzard, Ok. Thanks.
01:33<Wyzard>You'll probably find that autoremove still wants to remove HAL, and that's OK (assuming you're running squeeze)
01:34<Wyzard>btw, the output you pasted looks like output from apt actually removing all those things, not just a list of what it would remove
01:35<sosaited>And I have been trying to install onboard, which is a python on-screen keyboard. For that I needed to also install python-virtkey (for ubuntu), but when trying to install it with "./setup.py install" I get multiple X *.h missing files error and in the end a gcc error. Anyone has any experience regarding that?
01:35<Wyzard>As someone told you earlier, you're probably missing some -dev packages
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01:37<sosaited>Wyzard, Yeah I was told to install apt-file . And that showed that the header files were already on the system.
01:37<sosaited>Wyzard, Is there no other on-screen keyboard in Debian?
01:38<Wyzard>GNOME has one called Dasher
01:38<Wyzard>I don't know about others; I've never looked
01:39<Wyzard>and Dasher isn't quite a "keyboard", it's more like guided predictive input, but I've read that it works well
01:40<sosaited>Wyzard, I guess then nothing like XP had? (onBoard is just like that)
01:40<Wyzard>I've never used the one in XP, sorry
01:40<Wyzard>There's probably something available; it's just not an area I'm familiar with
01:40<sosaited>Wyzard, Ok. Thanks :)
01:40<Arrowmaster>gok, gnome onscreen keyboard
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01:41<Arrowmaster>its installed by default
01:42<sosaited>Arrowmaster, That thing doesn't work no matter what I try. It just shows a small box with "Mouse. Activate. etc" buttons
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01:42<sosaited>Arrowmaster, And as far as I remember, I did got to try it in Ubuntu, but that wasn't a convenient onscreen keyboard
01:42<LinuxX>does eyefinity works under gnu/linux debian squeeze ?
01:44<sosaited>LinuxX, I am guessing it will, though probably after some tweaking http://solidsnke.com/linux/?p=416
01:45<LinuxX>thanks , going to link
01:45<sosaited>LinuxX, Sorry but there isn't any detail how he set it up, I posted it just so you know someone has done it :)P
01:46<LinuxX>:)
01:47<sosaited>LinuxX, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ0OA
01:48<Arrowmaster>dont expect to do much gaming on it though
01:49<LinuxX>i dont want it for gaming
01:49<LinuxX>if i want to game under linux , then what windows is for :P
01:50<LinuxX>i want to set it up to play call of duty online
01:50<LinuxX>but i also want it for my debian distro
01:50<LinuxX>to work
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02:02<Veinor>Trying to install sid on my hard drive and the grub installation is bailing on me with this error: "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This msdos-style partition label has no post-MBR gap; embedding won't be possible!.
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02:03<kenyon>looks like a warning, not an error
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02:07<Haikarainen>Hey, some questions; Is there anything I should think about when installing latest debian squeeze 64bit to a server running an Athlon2 Quadcore processor with 8GB of ram? Any software bottlenecks or something? Also, to anyone with unetbootin-experience; Will Stable_NetInstall install the latest stable version of debian squeeze, is it uptodate?
02:08<Veinor>i think stable_netinstall will get you the latest stable
02:08<Haikarainen>Okay, that's squeeze right? :) Pretty experienced with debian actually, just been a few months since i last looked at it, also it's the first time i get my hands on such powerful hardware
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02:11<Haikarainen>/msg dpkg squeeze
02:11<Haikarainen>>_<
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02:16<mix22891>linux in my mind
02:17<Haikarainen>orly
02:18<mix22891>whois?
02:18<Haikarainen>root ...?
02:19<mix22891>some body play world in conflict?
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02:19<mix22891>awsome game
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02:20<Haikarainen>never played, but thanks, been looking for a nice new strategygame :D
02:20<mix22891>it's like C&C
02:20<mix22891>but multi-player
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02:21<Haikarainen>looking at trailer atm
02:21<Haikarainen>but i gotta ask, since youtype this in #debian; How well does it run under linux/wine ?
02:24<mix22891>wine
02:25<mix22891>under wine
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02:27<Veinor>/usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install.
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02:31<mix22891>let's attack the pintagon
02:31<mix22891>pentagon
02:31<mix22891>:-D
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02:34<sosaited>mix22891, Get read for FBI to knock at your door dude
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02:36<mix22891>haha
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02:36<mix22891>i'm invisible
02:37<s_i_m>hi debian ppl. anybody here uses oo impress?
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02:37<cahoot>no
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02:38<cahoot>lyx+latex-beamer for all your presentation needs
02:38<mix22891>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
02:38<s_i_m>i used that combo for years. now I try OO impress
02:39<s_i_m>but it is crap, really
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02:41<mix22891>back track?
02:41<mix22891>4
02:42<cahoot>OT
02:43<mix22891>ok, in 10min' i'm gonna attack the pentagon
02:43<cahoot>grow up - and/or leave
02:44<mix22891>group up and leave?
02:44<mix22891>haha
02:44<mix22891>sounds silly
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02:54<mix22891>some1 knon on my door
02:54<mix22891>who is this???????/
02:54<mix22891>knok
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02:56<mix22891>grenny
02:56<mix22891>grenny cool
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02:57<mix22891>my grenny is a hacker
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03:04<sosaited>Can someone see if they can help with http://www.fileserve.com/file/aeBRMBq/ error. I am trying to run onboard https://launchpad.net/onboard
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03:08<gunma>hi, guys. got a script to make a system snapshots?ty
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03:14<LinuxX>triplehead2go compatible with debian squeeze ?
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03:15<LinuxX>is triplehead2go compatible with debian squeeze ?
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03:20<Piet>sosaited: i doubt anyone here wants to click through some ad filled website, solve a captcha and close popups to download a 150 MB video file to understand the problem you need solved.
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03:21<sosaited>Piet, Holy crap.
03:21<Piet>sosaited: that said, screenshots are fine if they are complementary to a textual description of the problem you are facing
03:22<sosaited>Piet, I meant this http://pastebin.com/uURB2sez
03:22<Piet>hehe
03:22<Piet>much better
03:22<LinuxX> is triplehead2go compatible with debian squeeze ?
03:24<Piet>sosaited: what's the command you ran there?
03:24<Piet>sosaited: it's usually a good idea to also put this on the pastebin.
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03:28<Piet>LinuxX: check the producers' website
03:28<Piet>then click on specs, then look for supported operating systems
03:31<ondafuriosa>ciao !list
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03:34<sosaited>Piet, I am trying to run onBoard.
03:34<sosaited>Piet, An on-screen keyboard
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03:34<Piet>sosaited: so you said
03:35<Piet>sosaited: where did you get to see this error output?
03:35<Piet>in a terminal window, i assume?
03:35<sosaited>Piet, Yes
03:35<Piet>so you have manually run a command in the terminal
03:35<Piet>which command have you run?
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03:37<sosaited>Piet, "onboard". I installed it first by downloading the source. BTW here is what I get if I run as root http://pastebin.com/nFGztVym
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03:38<Piet>sosaited: so you just ran "onboard" without additional argument?
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03:39<sosaited>Piet, Yes. That is the program/executable :s. If I run it through the menu I don't get anything
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03:40<Piet>so you did not run it like e.g. "onboard --help" or "onboard --version" or "onboard /path/to/file", right?
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03:41<Piet>sosaited: then i'd just review the build/installation instructions, make sure i have all requirements available, and report a bug if i still can't solve the issue.
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04:01<Digger1967>Greetings all
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04:14<Araneidae>Good grief: spamassassin is a bit greedy in its dependencies! Bit surprised to see gcc being pulled in.
04:15<Digger1967>Hmm.. interesting.. wonder what it uses that for
04:16<Araneidae>Well, the packages page has the compiler listed as recommended rather than a dependency, but for some reason aptitude is resolving it anyway
04:16<cahoot>install without recommends?
04:17<Araneidae>Yeah. I don't use Debian often enough to be familiar with the refined options. Never mind, it's in now, I'll probably want gcc some day anyhow
04:20<Digger1967>Maybe it's recommended for compiling add ons of some sort?
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04:36<Araneidae>Curses: alpine in squeeze now produces that annoying "Folder vulnerable - directory /var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection" message.
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04:39<Araneidae>Looks like mlock should be a recommended dependency for alpine
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04:43<valdyn>Araneidae: gcc is only recommended
04:43<valdyn>Araneidae: not a dependency
04:44<valdyn>Araneidae: it is used to compile filter rules for speedup
04:45<Araneidae>valdyn, ah, that actually makes sense
04:45<Araneidae>Given the sluggish machine it's running on I think I'll go with that
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04:51<mrg>I have a VPS and want to setup an "outgoing only" mail server. Would sendmail be suitable for this, or should I consider exim or postfix?
04:52<Araneidae>mrg, I'm no expert, but unless you're an expert in sendmail I'm sure you'll find the others a *lot* easier to set up. The default exim config is pretty easy to set up
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04:53<valdyn>mrg: outgoing only is *not* a mail server at all
04:54<mrg>I'm not a mail expert either, can I block incoming emails?
04:54<mrg>I only need it for sending out alerts
04:54<nevyn>you need to configure an MTA for it to happen.
04:54<valdyn>mrg: how are you intending to send those alerts?
04:54<mrg>thanks. I will have a look into that
04:54<mrg>It's from a CMS system
04:54<mrg>built in PHP
04:55<valdyn>mrg: you should have a local mta with local delivery
04:55<mrg>the alerts will be going to external users: google, hotmail etc
04:55<valdyn>mrg: ( because debian kind of needs that )
04:56<valdyn>mrg: what you seem to want is matched by one of debians default mta setups
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04:56<valdyn>mrg: aptitude install exim4-config; dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; chose internet site, select appropriate values for where to recieve mail from etc
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04:57<mrg>thanks for your help :)
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04:57<valdyn>mrg: send-only would break some things, so you dont want that
04:57<mrg>ok
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05:23<Haikarainen>why wont "pacman install aptitude" work on debian 3.2?
05:24<Haikarainen>it says "failed to add target blablbala"
05:25<Haikarainen>i hate the packet management in debian 3, it looks so ugly :/ jsut text, i want pacmans symaptic
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05:26<Haikarainen>daniel_, do you know why ?
05:27<Haikarainen>pacman install aptitude dos not work in debian 3 ?
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05:27<nevyn>Haikarainen: cause pacman isn't debian's package management system?
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05:28<Haikarainen>no thats why i want to install pacman and symaptic :)
05:28<Haikarainen>nevyn
05:28<nevyn>synaptic?
05:28<Haikarainen>yea
05:28<nevyn>synaptic works on debian.
05:28<nevyn>it just doesn't use pacman.
05:28<Haikarainen>whaT ?
05:29<Arrowmaster>dont feed the trolls
05:29<Haikarainen>cant i have both ?
05:29<Haikarainen>lol aww, this channel is so idle/awesome not even trolling can stir this silence up :(
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05:31<devil>inteligent questions will
05:32<babilen>Haikarainen: Please play somewhere else, this is not the right place. Thank you, If you ask detailed technical questions you will get answers.
05:33<Haikarainen>hehe, im just bored, sry :)
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05:35<Haikarainen>well ill just ask a question i asked before but didnt get any response to: I've ordered a server consisting of a 64bit AMD Quadcore processor, and 8GB of DDR3 Memory, my plan is to install latest debian squeeze on it, is there anything i should think about to minimize bottlenecks? any software i should use for the quadcore/ammount of memory ? Never played around with such hw before
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05:38<babilen>I can't think of anything special, especially if you do not know what to use it for.
05:38<devil>Haikarainen: you want debian in a 64-bit version. other than that, most packages in debian and most 3rd party software comes also in 64-bit version
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05:40<Haikarainen>devil, I'm aware of the 64bit part, what im concerned about is all cores being used optimally (like amd dualcore optimizer under windows), as well as any potential disadvantage using 8gb of ram on a standard setup
05:41<devil>Haikarainen: some software is optimized for multicore, others arent
05:41<Araneidae>Sorry, a stupid exim question: how do I drop incoming mail for uucp -- it's clogging up my mailq?
05:41<babilen>Haikarainen: The kernel scheduler will take care of that. If the software itself makes use of your multicore machine depends on the software itself.
05:41<devil>Haikarainen: http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/501
05:41<Haikarainen>devil: ok thanks, i guess apache and mysqld utilizes multicore tech ?
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05:42<Haikarainen>oh, lots of text, "brb"
05:42<babilen>Haikarainen: yes
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05:44<devil>a lot of apps where it makes sense, are multi-threaded already
05:44<Araneidae>I appear to have a uucp user in /etc/passwd, but I certainly don't want mail delivered to it!
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05:49<Araneidae>Any reason not to just add 'uucp: root' to /etc/aliases ?
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05:51<valdyn>Araneidae: if root is forwarded to a user of your choice, sure
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05:51<Araneidae>Seems to be. It's a fresh install, so root got forwarded to the first user I created (me)
05:52<Araneidae>Wonder if I need to restart exim for it to see the change. Was scared for a moment seeing my mailq full of crap again, but of course it's *incoming* crap this time.
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05:53<valdyn>Araneidae: dont have to restart exim for aliases to take effect
05:54<Araneidae>Ok, so just need to prod the mail queue for a quick reprocess
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05:56<Araneidae>Better. I now just have two apline-count mails that can't get out because they have no sender identification (just shown as <>). Is that alpine's fault or mine?
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06:07<tiberius>nadie
06:08<tiberius>nadie dice nada
06:08<babilen>!es
06:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:08<babilen>tiberius: Or speak English in here.
06:10<tiberius>ok
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06:13<rpetre>Araneidae: empty sender on emails means they are bounces and sent by the system. If you're not interested by them, you can delete them, since they'll be deleted anyway if they bounce back
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06:50<bar__>hi
06:50<bar__>I exported a directory in /etc/exports, and used 'async' flag. in the client, the mount options I added are acdirmin=0, acdirmax=0. I did those 2 changes (server & client) in order to avoid the problem where the server saves something in the local directory being exported, and the client doesn't seeing that new file because of directory caching.
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06:50<bar__>The problem is , I have a process in my clients, called flush-0:16, which takes 100% CPU of 1 core, constantly! Any idea ?
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06:52<TREBOR>anybody know a better mirror for me like .se then this one deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
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06:53<@Ganneff>http://ftp.se.debian.org/....
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07:02<TREBOR>Ganneff, Tack så mycket as we say in sweden thanks alot
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07:08<daniel_>privet :)
07:08<need_a_girlfriend>any girl from india???
07:09<need_a_girlfriend>hello
07:09<need_a_girlfriend>is any body there??
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07:11<meglaw_>lol
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07:11<Nik05>ban...
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07:21<Yossarian>hi guys
07:21<Yossarian>i need some help :\
07:22<Yossarian>i'm trying to get cairo fonts to work in debian
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07:22<valdyn>Yossarian: youre confused, theres no cairo fonts
07:22<Yossarian>damn right i'm confused :))
07:22<Yossarian>i've ran the script from http://lovingthepenguin.blogspot.com/2010/09/scrpit-for-building-debian-squeeze.html
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07:23<Yossarian>seems to have been successful, managed to install the .deb files from the output
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07:23<Yossarian>but i'm lost, i've rebooted and nothing has changed
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07:23<valdyn>Yossarian: what do you think would change?
07:24<Yossarian>i was expecting to get the ubuntu-ish look
07:25<Yossarian>:\
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07:25<Yossarian>halp?
07:26<laarmen>Yossarian: I do believe it takes more than just rebuilding libcairo to get the Ubuntu interface in Debian
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07:26<valdyn>Yossarian: id love to see a screenshot of debian font rendering vs ubuntu font rendering
07:26<valdyn>Yossarian: *my* fonts in debian are perfectly fine
07:26<Yossarian>valdyn, what font are you using?
07:27<valdyn>Yossarian: bitstream vera / dejavu
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07:27<valdyn>laarmen: thats not his goal
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07:29<laarmen>Then I am the one confused :)
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08:07<ComradeHaz`>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625226 Regarding this bug, I wonder if anyone has any idea how long this will take to solve. While a minor bug it is hugely annoying as my syslog is so flooded out with these messages finding anything else in it is next to impossible, and the log get's archived due to size very rapidly.
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08:22<Haikarainen>ComradeHaz`: Dont know PAM myself, but if you want to stop the syslog-spam maybe this answer can help: http://serverfault.com/questions/271365/sudo-pam-limitssudosession-unknown-kernel-rlimit-max-realtime-timeout-igno ?
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08:26<ComradeHaz`>Aye, I suppose I could do something like that Haikarainen. Not much of a 'fix' though, is it?! :/
08:26<ComradeHaz`>Thanks, though, I might resort to that.
08:26<Haikarainen>No i know, but hopefully you wont have to activate those messages before a patch arrives :)
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08:30<deskey>hello
08:30<Haikarainen>ola
08:31<deskey>just got out from ubuntu life
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08:32<Zaba>I wonder, how do I manage what kernel gets booted by default?
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08:33<Zaba>I have a self-built kernel which happens to be older than the latest officially packaged one, but I want to keep booting it
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08:34<smb>Zaba: for grub 1, /boot/grub/menu.lst
08:34<gnugr>Zaba: " uname -a " and see what you got
08:35<Zaba>I have grub2, and I don't want to fix its configuration every time it gets regenerated.
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08:37<gnugr>Zaba: did you run " update-grub " ?
08:37<Zaba>update-grub makes the newer kernel the default one
08:37<laarmen>$ sudo sensible-editor /etc/default/grub
08:37<Zaba>but I want my self-built one to be the default, regardless of the fact it's older
08:37<deskey>whats the prefered desktop people use here?
08:38<devil>deskey: are you serious or just bored?
08:38<devil>must be bored
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08:39<cahoot>Zaba, why keep installing the debian kernels then?
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08:40<babilen>Zaba: Read "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" and set the GRUB_DEFAULT value accordingly
08:40<cahoot>Zaba, also - IIRC you can adjust the install behavior in /etc/kernel-img.conf (or suh)
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08:42<Zaba>cahoot, removing the debian kernel also removes other things
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08:42<cahoot>Zaba, also - IIRC you can adjust the install behavior in /etc/kernel-img.conf (or suh)
08:42<Zaba>for example, linux-base; not sure how important it really is..
08:42<Zaba>I saw that
08:43<gnugr>Zaba: tell us what kernel you want with your debian?
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08:45<gnugr>we have a kernel with a cherry on top
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08:45<babilen>(and cream)
08:45<Guest3490>Hi all. I would like some help in performing a deial of service attack on a host.
08:45<Guest3490>denial of service attack on a host.
08:46<babilen>Guest3490: Wrong channel.
08:46<Guest3490>Can you suggest a better one please?
08:46<babilen>No
08:46<cahoot>#localhost
08:46<Guest3490>thanks
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08:46<babilen>*sigh*
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08:48<devil>hehe
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08:49<deskey>really bored from Ubuntu
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08:49<deskey>devil: just got installed the debian first time in life
08:49<deskey>:)
08:49<babilen>congrats
08:49<devil>deskey: debian does not get you bored.
08:49<Haikarainen>If you're a gamer it does ;p
08:49<gnugr>deskey: welcome to real world
08:50<devil>at least that goes for me :)
08:50<grove>Actually, /me is bored by debian most of the time, it just works
08:50<deskey>just need to figure out does my ATI redwood card is detected well and use all the power
08:50<deskey>(well if there is any with this damn card)
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08:51<Haikarainen>BIOS-developers(or whatever it is) should make it able to synchronously run 2 operating systems. and just switch between them like your switch user-sessions in linux
08:51<Nik05>can someone help me with setting up movies so they always open in VLC and not in the totem player?
08:51<devil>grove: sid will make it interessting ;)
08:51<Haikarainen>Nik05: gnome/kde ?
08:51<Nik05>tried it with preferred applications but its not working
08:52<Nik05>gnome
08:52<laarmen>deskey: just out of curiosity, are you running stable, testing or sid ?
08:52<deskey>the 6.0
08:52<deskey>how can i check that? i already got few error during startup.. saying some bios issues
08:52<deskey>!
08:52<grove>devil: Probably
08:52<Haikarainen>Nik05: , gconf-editor, /desktop/gnome/applications/media/ set exec to vlc
08:53<laarmen>deskey: check your /etc/apt/sources.list file, it should say something like http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main
08:54<laarmen>The important part is the squeeze :)
08:54<Nik05>Haikarainen, what do i need to do?
08:54<deskey>thats all i got from /etc/debian_version
08:54<abcd82>Nik05: or, right click on file, properties, then "open with" tab, then put dot on VLC
08:54<deskey>6.0.1
08:54<Haikarainen>what i said. Open gconf-editor(open terminal, type it, press enter), browse to the directory and change the exec string to vlc
08:55<laarmen>dekay: Yeah, that works too :).
08:55<Nik05>when i start gconf-editor i get a lot of errors
08:55<deskey>laarmen: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1a _Squeeze_ - Official amd64
08:55<Haikarainen>.. does it crash or can you at least use it ? What errors do you get?
08:55<laarmen>deskey: Yeah, that works too :). (sorry for the mispelling)
08:55<Nik05>wait i got it :)
08:56<Haikarainen>cool :)
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08:56<Haikarainen>permission problems ? ;p
08:56<deskey>laarmen: thats the right version or should i try something else?
08:56<laarmen>Depends on what you are looking for
08:56<Nik05>ok trying out
08:57<deskey>well so far i am happy with it...
08:57<Nik05>not working...
08:57<laarmen>If you want a system that Just Works, stable (squeeze) is probably the best
08:57<deskey>just need to customize the gnome default look...thats all
08:57<deskey>and i am searching for a way
08:57<Nik05>Haikarainen, its still starting totem...
08:57<laarmen>The downside is that you won't get fresh software by default. You can use the backports, though
08:58<Haikarainen>Nik05: thats weird, are you using the default file browser with gnome? tried restarting X with ctrl + alt + backspace?
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08:58<Haikarainen>if you never use totem, you could apt-get remove totem, and the open the file with vlc, and then change fileopensettings inside vlc instead
08:58<laarmen>deskey: Then... I'm not a gnome user, but I think there is a control panel somewhere in the system menu
08:59<Nik05>Haikarainen, ctrl+alt+backspace does nothing
08:59<deskey>there is but its limited..
08:59<Haikarainen>Nik05: thats weird as fck
08:59<Nik05>im using nautilis the default one
08:59<devil>Haikarainen: no, its not. its deprecated
08:59<Haikarainen>devil: , since when :o
08:59<devil>Haikarainen: or does it work in stable still?
08:59<laarmen>deskey: What do you mean exactly by customizing ?
09:00<devil>Haikarainen: in sid since ~ 18 months
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09:00<towo`>it can be reactivated
09:00<Haikarainen>devil: dont know, havent used debian for desktop usage since 5.0, and it worked back then
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09:00<Haikarainen>why deprecate that feature? its really useful sometimes :s
09:00<deskey>laarmen: need the change the login screen, etc
09:00<devil>Haikarainen: ask X-Break-Force
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09:01<devil>ehm, i think its X-Strike-Force ;)
09:01<Haikarainen>:o
09:01<laarmen>deskey: The login screen is a program called GDM, it might be indicated under this name
09:01<Nik05>so none knows how it works? :P
09:02<laarmen>deskey: But I am afraid I am really not the good person to ask, I haven't used GNOME since etch (debian 4.0)
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09:03<deskey>i need to make sure the debian detected my ATI card well
09:03<devil>Nik05: i know for KDE :)
09:03<Nik05>;p
09:04<laarmen>deskey: Which card do you have ?
09:04<deskey>ATI radeon
09:04<deskey>ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600
09:05<deskey>thats the output from lspci
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09:06<Haikarainen>deskey: type "glxinfo | grep render" to see if you have direct rendering: yes
09:06<Haikarainen>then it should be no problem :)
09:07<laarmen>In case you haven't glxinfo already installed, it is in the package mesa-utils
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09:07<deskey>direct rendering : yes
09:08<babilen>Haikarainen, deskey: Actually one should run 'glxinfo|grep -ie "direct\|opengl renderer"' as you could have "direct rendering: Yes" but still a software rasteriser
09:08<deskey>OenGL renderer string : Software Rasterizer
09:08<laarmen>Then lucky you :)
09:08<laarmen>Crap
09:08<deskey>:)
09:08<babilen>which is exactly the case here
09:08<Haikarainen>babilen: heh, woops :) been a while as said, only use debian for servers lately
09:09<Haikarainen>deskey: installed amd/ati's official drivers ?
09:09<deskey>i have tried proprietery driver earlier on ubntu,, but there wasn;t any changes
09:09<babilen>No problem, just wanted to point out this common fallacy
09:09<babilen>deskey: You are using radeon right now?
09:09<deskey>yes
09:10<babilen>deskey: Are "ligbl1-mesa-dri" and "firmware-linux-nonfree" installed?
09:10<babilen>libgl1-mesa-dri that is
09:10<deskey>babilen: not sure i have installe dthose
09:10<deskey>how can i check those?
09:10<devil>deskey: same as on ubuntu :)
09:11<deskey>:D
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09:11<babilen>deskey: dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree|tail -2
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09:12<deskey>ouch
09:12<babilen>ouch?
09:13<deskey>no packages found matching firmware-linux-non free
09:13<babilen>it is "firmware-linux-nonfree" not "firmware-linux-non free"
09:13<Haikarainen>checked the space between non and free ?
09:13<deskey>ii libgl1-mesa-dri 7.7.1-4
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09:14<deskey>u are right
09:14<deskey>that was a typo
09:14<deskey>so there is no package installed.
09:14<babilen>Ok, so you need to install the firmware. Enable non-free sources (/msg dpkg non-free sources) and contrib and run "aptitude update ; aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree"
09:15<towo`>this will not help much
09:15<towo`>the support for hd5xxx in stable is near zero
09:15<deskey>oh
09:15<babilen>bummer
09:16<deskey>towo`: so trying to install the firmware-linux-nonfree will not help at all ? have you tried and no good?
09:16<laarmen>Didn't the kernel team backport the graphic drivers for... well a lot of upstream releases ?
09:16<babilen>towo`: Is a new X server needed or "just" a newer version of the kernel module?
09:16<towo`>babilen, all
09:17<towo`>drm, kernel, and the x-driver
09:17<towo`>and mesa
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09:17<babilen>Ok, thanks for pointing that out.
09:17<deskey>so is there a hope ?
09:18<laarmen>You could use the AMD proprietary driver
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09:18<deskey>but that was horrible.. didn't help at all..
09:18<babilen>How if fglrx support for this card in squeeze?
09:18<towo`>bad
09:18<babilen>s/if/is
09:18<towo`>would need fglrx from testing/sid
09:18<babilen>So testing is the only option?
09:19<laarmen>testing is not as bad as it might sound :)
09:19<XeonBloomfield>Who need ATI non-free driver?
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09:19<XeonBloomfield>I've got Radeon HD 5770 which works great under Squeeze and ATI proprietary driver.
09:20<laarmen>The proud owner of a HD5600 ATI card :)
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09:20<devil>XeonBloomfield: someone who payed a large sum of money for a card he expects to use in all its features?
09:20<babilen>laarmen: No, but there are a couple of large transitions going on/coming up and you *will* run into problems/bugs and therefore need a certain familiarity with Debian, Debian packaging and Linux
09:20<XeonBloomfield>devil: Like me ;)
09:20<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:20<devil>XeonBloomfield: my gfx cards come cheap, like 50 $
09:20<deskey>XeonBloomfield : isn't that you download from the adm site ?
09:21<XeonBloomfield>devil: ;)
09:21<XeonBloomfield>deskey: It is
09:21<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:21<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: Add non-free to software sources
09:21<babilen>deskey: Please read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and tell us how comfortable you are with doing this.
09:21<laarmen>XeonBloomfield: I didn't mean myself, I meant deskey :)
09:22<XeonBloomfield>aaah
09:22<deskey>ok... whats the FPS you get once you run the glxgears?
09:22<XeonBloomfield>Okey
09:22<XeonBloomfield>deskey: I?
09:22<deskey>yes please
09:22<XeonBloomfield>deskey: I'm using ATI non-free (proprietary driver) from http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:22<XeonBloomfield>deskey: And my FPS is...
09:23<deskey>music is cued
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09:23<deskey>.......and.....
09:23<XeonBloomfield>deskey: I installed new system yesterday... W8 a second I will download mesa package with glxgears ;)
09:25<XeonBloomfield>deskey: 36691 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7338.096 FPS
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09:26<deskey>hmmmm... isn;t that good
09:26<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Isn't good?
09:26<laarmen>What are you complaining about ? I get 60 FPS on my netbook :D
09:27<deskey>it is ofcourse
09:27<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: :P
09:27<XeonBloomfield>deskey: glxgears use CPU too
09:27<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Check out WoW or something similar to
09:28<XeonBloomfield>deskey: I had about 150 FPS in WoW in cities
09:28<deskey>3405 frames in 5.0 seconds = 680.947 FPS
09:28<XeonBloomfield>deskey: "I had" because I don't play games any longer
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09:28<XeonBloomfield>deskey: So... For what did you complained? ;)
09:28<laarmen>deskey: with the nonfree driver installed ?
09:29<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Only 6.7k FPS difference
09:29<deskey>i have't even installed anything...
09:29<laarmen>Ok, then that's perfectly normal. I am even a little jealous :)
09:30<deskey>i haven't installed any driver yet...
09:30<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Write "fglrxinfo" in Terminal
09:30<laarmen>Then XeonBloomfield allow me to quote you : http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:30<XeonBloomfield>deskey: If return "command not found" you haven't ATI non-free driver
09:30<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: Yeah - exactly
09:31<deskey>bash: fglrxinfo: command not found
09:31<babilen>haven't we established that fglrx on squeeze does not support this card already? (according to towo`)
09:31<XeonBloomfield>babilen: It supports
09:32<babilen>So, what is holding deskey back to install them? (/msg dpkg fglrx dkms)
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09:32<babilen>I would still be interested in the situation with radeon after the firmware installation too.
09:32<laarmen>So would I
09:33<XeonBloomfield>babilen: I checked when it get support in driver
09:34<devil>deskey: its glxinfo
09:34<babilen>XeonBloomfield: Great, thanks for investigating.
09:34<XeonBloomfield>deskey: In Squeeze we have 10.9 driver
09:34<XeonBloomfield>deskey: I found that this cart was support in 10.7
09:34<deskey>10.9 driver ? the ati driver?
09:34<laarmen>devil: No, that was the point to try to run fglrxinfo :)
09:34<babilen>deskey: So install the firmware and try, if that does not work out paste the Xorg.0.log and try the fglrx dkms drivers.
09:35<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Yes
09:35<devil>laarmen: um, sorry, didnt even know it existed.
09:35<laarmen>devil: Neither did I, actually.
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09:36<XeonBloomfield>babilen: It was supported in 10.2 and probably older versions
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09:37<deskey>so lets try installing the driver then
09:37<XeonBloomfield>babilen: Squeeze - Package: fglrx-driver (1:10-9-3) [non-free]
09:37<babilen>great
09:37<XeonBloomfield>1:10-9-3 means that it is 10.9
09:37<babilen>deskey: Please try installing the firmware first, I'm jsut curious ...
09:37<deskey>ok..
09:37<babilen>XeonBloomfield: sure
09:38<deskey>but i need some help on this...during the installation.. newbieeeeeeee here
09:38<laarmen>For the firmware, just install the package and reboot, I guess
09:38<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Follow instructions from http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:39<XeonBloomfield>deskey: You have squeeze, right?
09:39<deskey>yes
09:39<babilen>deskey: Enable non-free and contrib (/msg dpkg non-free sources -- /msg dpkg contrib) in your /etc/apt/sources.list (essentially make sure that the deb/deb-src lines end in "main contrib non-free") -- run "aptitude update" and then "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree"
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09:39<XeonBloomfield>aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver
09:39<laarmen>XeonBloomfield: we want to try using radeon+firmware before fglrx, it might be enough
09:40<babilen>deskey: Restart and check, if you still have a software rasterizer you can install the fglrx driver, but following
09:40<babilen>!fglrx dkms
09:40<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
09:40<XeonBloomfield>laarmen: Radeon open source driver is shipped by default
09:41<babilen>XeonBloomfield: no firmware installed ...
09:41<laarmen>Yes, but it needs some non-free blobs to use the direct rendering, IIRC
09:41<babilen>indeed
09:41<XeonBloomfield>so try
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09:44<deskey>babilen: so first i need to edit the lines in the source list?
09:44<babilen>yes
09:45<deskey>what shall i add there?
09:46<babilen>deskey: Read what I've said and the referenced factoids ;) ("essentially make sure that the deb/deb-src lines end in "main contrib non-free"")
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09:46<deskey>ok. i am following the page you pointed earlier
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09:46<babilen>which page?
09:46<EmleyMoor>What exactly do I need to add remote control (for a music player, preferably Amarok) to my Debian system?
09:46<deskey>http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
09:46<laarmen>deskey: Err, no
09:46<deskey>:(
09:47<laarmen>deskey: we want to try to use the free drivers first
09:47<Lordy>Hello who know something in java ?
09:47<laarmen>which should be simpler
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09:48<deskey>ok...
09:48<lee-0>What´s a good calendar application that can send reminders by email?
09:48<babilen>deskey: Please, I don't want to write it all again :)
09:48<deskey>ok ok
09:48<babilen>;-þ
09:48<cahoot>lee-0, cron?
09:48<lee-0>cahoot: That´s a little inconvenient.
09:48<laarmen>deskey: the good news is that the part with source.list is the same for both methods :)
09:48<cahoot>agreed
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09:49<babilen>lee-0: Something like "remind" ?
09:49<deskey>ahhhhhhh! i am confused now
09:49<lee-0>I´d want some sort of calendar displayed, like korganizer or plan do, be able to create appointments and have reminders displayed on screen and sent by email.
09:49<babilen>deskey: What are you confused with?
09:50<laarmen>Yes, I think I would be too
09:50<deskey>first we try non free right?
09:50<lee-0>babilen: remind needs tcl/tk ... Perhaps worthwhile to try it.
09:50<laarmen>First we try just to load some nonfree firmware along the radeon driver (which is already installed)
09:50<babilen>deskey: You need to enable non-free and contrib in your sources.list. You will then install the firmware-linux-nonfree package and restart. We'll have a look. If that doesn't work we/you'll try the fglrx dkms drivers.
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09:51<deskey>laarmen: u said installed?
09:51<babilen>lee-0: It does not, it works fine without that. I personally just use gcal :)
09:51<lee-0>Oh, perhaps I can use email-reminder, the description sounds good. Time to try out these :)
09:52<deskey>babilen says i need to install non free
09:52<laarmen>deskey: Yeah, the radeon driver (the free one) is shipped with the debian stock kernel
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09:52<babilen>deskey: Have you edited your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
09:52<laarmen>deskey: That's right, you need some nonfree firmware to use direct rendering with the free driver
09:52<deskey>no,, nano and thinking what to make the changes there?
09:53<laarmen>every line that ends with squeeze main should end with squeeze main contrib nonfree
09:53<babilen>deskey: Paste your sources.list -- "essentially make sure that the deb/deb-src lines end in "main contrib non-free"
09:53<laarmen>(or is it non-free ?)
09:53<babilen>it is
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09:54<deskey>http://pastebin.com/Rt2nYLgR
09:54<EmleyMoor>What's the simplest means to get a remote control - for, say, Amarok - on my Debian stable system? I usually have line of sight to it when I need it, if it helps.
09:55<deskey>babilen: laarmen : step- by step pls...
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09:55<laarmen>babilen: I'll do that
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09:55<laarmen>deskey: Edit your /etc/source.list file
09:55<deskey>don;t mind even if the laptop get burned...but need to lear the stuff that all
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09:56<deskey>what shall i add there ?
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09:56<laarmen>deskey: /etc/apt/sources.list, sorry
09:56<laarmen>deskey: Every line that begins with deb or deb-src, you add contrib non-free at the end
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09:57<deskey>ok... le me backup first
09:57<deskey>:D
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10:00<deskey>laarmen : removing the squeeze :
10:00<laarmen>deskey: NO
10:00<laarmen>Typically, this should look like this :
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10:01<laarmen>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
10:02<laarmen>(or ftp.XX, XX being the ISO code of the country you selected during installation)
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10:03<lee-0>babilen: How do you even create an appointment with gcal, let alone an email reminder?
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10:04<deskey>laarmen: http://pastebin.ca/2075076
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10:04<deskey>if thats satisfy i will do the --update
10:05<laarmen>you mean sudo apt-get update ?
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10:05<deskey>yes
10:05<deskey>can i check this first ?http://pastebin.ca/2075076
10:06<laarmen>Looks fine to me. I am not sure that squeeze-update or security have non-free, but that should work anyway :)
10:07<deskey>yeah,,,,so aptitude update then?
10:07<laarmen>Yes
10:07<deskey>Current status: 566 new [+566]
10:08<laarmen>It is normal, they are all the new packages from the contrib and non-free sections.
10:08<laarmen>Now, install firmware-linux-nonfree
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10:09<deskey>apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree?
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10:09<XeonBloomfield>exactly
10:09<deskey>hmmm installing now
10:09<towo`>laarmen, for what he should install firmware-linux-nonfree?
10:10<deskey>ouch
10:10<deskey>ouch
10:10<towo`>he wants fglrx, i think?
10:10<deskey>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
10:10<deskey>towo` : stop it
10:10<deskey>u are confusing me..
10:10<laarmen>towo`: We wanted to try radeon+firmware first, since it is way more manageable than fglrx
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10:11<towo`>laarmen, hd5xxx in squeeze is bad
10:11<towo`>with the free drivers
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10:11<towo`>all nessesary packages are way old for hd5xxx chipsets
10:11<deskey>laarmen: babilen : have you notice that error ! W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
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10:12<deskey>isn;t that for the network card?
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10:12<laarmen>Does your network work properly at the moment ?
10:12<deskey>yes it doesn..
10:12<deskey>sorry it does
10:12<dominick>Hi! I'm a java developer and wish to learn developing linux/GNU applications. As of now, I know C and Java. I know there are a lot of programs for linux development, like python, perl, ruby, etc. Could anyone advice me as to which one I should start with?
10:13<laarmen>Then let's not worry about that now.
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10:13<deskey>cool..i guess restart the way to go first?
10:13<dvs>dominick: python seems to be a popular one.
10:13<laarmen>towo`: have you tried it yourself ?
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10:13<dvs>deskey: The open drivers works for my HD5450
10:13<towo`>laarmen, i would not have the problem, since i'm using sid
10:13<CcSsNET>dominick. if your adventurous, i would highly suggest, ecere.com eC language, and a scripting language called pike
10:14<CcSsNET>reason: there both 100% cross platform
10:14<laarmen>dvs: are you using squeeze ? (please say yes :)
10:14<dvs>yes
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10:14<dvs>....I think... jk
10:15<deskey>the firmware installation is done... whats next/
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10:15<laarmen>dvs: cat /etc/debian_version to be sure :)
10:15<CcSsNET>dominick, i also highly suggest droping java from ur interests
10:15<CcSsNET>but thats just my opinion
10:16<laarmen>deskey: Now just reboot, and then try glxgears :)
10:16<deskey>k
10:16<dominick>CcSsNET: I understand, it's very high level, and I find it pretty easy to my standards... that's why I wanted to move to a little lower level.
10:16<dvs>cat: /etc/default_version: No such file or directory
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10:16<dvs>6.0.1
10:16<laarmen>oops. /etc/debian_version
10:16<dvs>oops
10:16<laarmen>Sorry
10:17<dvs>laarmen: No, you were right.
10:17<dominick>CcSsNET: how is ecere in comparison with linux favourites like python?
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10:21<CcSsNET>far far better
10:21<deskey>2704 frames in 5.0 seconds = 540.664 FPS
10:21<deskey>3523 frames in 5.0 seconds = 704.415 FPS
10:21<CcSsNET>python takes alot of disk space, the code is also fugly
10:21<deskey>thats the result after rebooot
10:22<CcSsNET>eC only takes 15mb thats with the IDE
10:22<laarmen>So, I take it it is not enough for your usage ?
10:22<CcSsNET>if i remeber correctly might be 30mb tops
10:22<deskey>3405 frames in 5.0 seconds = 680.947 FPS
10:22<deskey>that was earlier
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10:22<laarmen>and glrxinfo ?
10:22<laarmen>The line about direct rendering ?
10:23<dvs>That's around the same
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10:23<deskey>direct rendering: Yes
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10:23<deskey>vendor string SGI
10:23<laarmen>And renderer ?
10:23<laarmen>I have this: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGD
10:24<dominick>CcSsNET: is ecere binary cross platform?
10:24<dominick>CcSsNET: I mean, are the applications cross platform, or do they need to be cross compiled?
10:24<deskey>OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1
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10:25<laarmen>Well, at least you have direct rendering :)
10:25<CcSsNET>well the code is cross platform, but im fairly sure ull compile it per platform ;)
10:25<deskey>that was there before too right?
10:25<laarmen>If you feel that isn't enough, then you should try the fglrx driver (the url we gave you earlier)
10:25<CcSsNET>ive never tried to test a binary cross platform
10:25<laarmen>deskey: No, that wasn't there earlier
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10:26<deskey>aha.. it was the default driver thing..
10:26<deskey>software rasterizor
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10:27<dominick>CcSsNET: I'm unable to find information on it, Wikipedia doesn't know about it. I'm compiling the SDK. I think I need to take a swim in the ocean to find out what it is...
10:27<CcSsNET>but as for having a solution where u dont need to deal with cross compiling, pike is a good interpreted language
10:27<CcSsNET>comparable to java or python
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10:27<CcSsNET>yea its newish
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10:27<CcSsNET>:)
10:27<deskey>doesn;t anyone tried earlier with fglrx?
10:27<CcSsNET>so is pike
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10:27<CcSsNET>enjoy the free research :)
10:27<laarmen>deskey: Yes, XeonBloomfield did
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10:28<laarmen>He was the one with the 7000 FPS :)
10:28<deskey>so its far better than me>
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10:29<deskey>so he did the ati proprietory driver if i am not mistaken right?
10:29<laarmen>Yes, that's right
10:29<deskey>lets try
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10:29<laarmen>But it was worth the shot with the firmware
10:30<laarmen>It is way more manageable than the whole fglrx stack, IMO.
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10:30<CcSsNET>http://pike.ida.liu.se/
10:30<CcSsNET>this is pike ^
10:31<deskey>laarmen : do i have to remove the firmware thing fist prior to install the proprietory driver
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10:31<laarmen>deskey: APT/aptitude will take care of that.
10:31<demonheadx>Hey there
10:31<CcSsNET>dominick: these 2 languages eC and pike i will personally be trying to study in my spare time so feel free to contact me whenever. my website contains contact info. http://atccss.net
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10:32<laarmen>deskey: Just follow the instructions in the wiki, you should be fine.
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10:33<demonheadx>Whats a good vnc server for Debian 6.0.1 ?
10:33<deskey>laarmen will try that and let u know the result...
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10:34<nickie>Hello guys! I've got a serious problem with x system - it hangs my system on startup. i've installed latest fglrx and downgraded libdrm2 to version 2.3.1-2, but it didn't help. here are logs of xorg http://pastebin.com/2RLPyF0H and of core http://pastebin.com/yKWunVXa. the last time i tried launching xserver was about 17:55. My graphics card is ATI Radeon HD 5770.
10:34<laarmen>deskey: Hopefully, you won't have to :)
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10:34<lee-0>I´m still looking for a decent kalendar application in Debian. I´ve tried korganizer, plan, reminder and gcal, and none of them is fully useful. Isn´t there a decent calendar application in Debian?
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10:35<demonheadx>Can anyone recommend me a good VNC server for Debian 6.0.1?
10:35<deskey>oh another ATI problem
10:35<CcSsNET> contains contact info. http://atccss.net
10:35<laarmen>lee-0: Thunderbird+lightning ?
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10:36<CcSsNET>woops paste error
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10:36<deskey>laarmen: look at the nickie issues! do u think i will end up that way
10:36<deskey>once the fglrx is done?
10:36<laarmen>deskey: Probably not. My guess is, he is not running squeeze :)
10:37<nickie>actually i am running squeeze :) at least trying to
10:37<lee-0>laarmen: Thunderbird was the MUA I don´t like, afair ... Lightning? Is that a plugin?
10:37<lee-0>laarmen: Thunderbird isn´t in Debian, it seems.
10:37<laarmen>nickie: And did you use fglrx from the debian repo ?
10:37<chealer>lee-0: there is
10:38<laarmen>lee-0: I believe the debian equivalent is icedove
10:38<lee-0>laarmen: Did they fix the long delays thunderbird had when accessing IMAP mailboxes?
10:38<nickie>laarmen: yes
10:38<laarmen>lee-0: No idea, I personnally use mutt...
10:38<deskey>nickie: squeeze?
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10:39<nickie>deskey: yeah. core version is 2.6.32-5
10:39<Sami345>have you done the aticonfig --initial
10:39<lee-0>laarmen: Yeah, me too. But I have started to run an IMAP server so that I can access my emails via my cell phone.
10:39<deskey>oh... i am about to try the ATI driver
10:39<laarmen>nickie: Did you try anything funky, or is it a plain old squeeze without even backports ?
10:39<Sami345>don't rememver the exact problem
10:39<nickie>Sami345 i did that, yes
10:39<Sami345>lol
10:39<Sami345>what I am typing
10:40<Sami345>*don't remember the exact command
10:40<nickie>laarmen: well actually i installed and removed lots of xorg and fglrx versions today. does it count as funky?:)
10:40<laarmen>deskey: personnally, I'd go forward.
10:41<laarmen>nickie: Well... I don't know, was it before or after that that your problem began ? :)
10:42<nickie>laarmen: i actually couldnt launch x system even one. nor with fglrx installed, nor without it
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10:43<Guest3497>dpkg
10:43<laarmen>Have you tried to get rid of fglrx completely, install the plain old xserver-xorg-video-ati and reboot ?
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10:44<XeonBloomfield>deskey: Install ATI non-free driver - it will giv e you the best performance
10:44<XeonBloomfield>give*
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10:45<Nik05>does someone have any experience with vlc?
10:45<Nik05>cause its not disabling the screensaver when im in fullscreen...
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10:45<lee-0>Nik05: mplayer does
10:45<nickie>laarmen: umm. actually i didnt. although i've tried launching x system without installing anything else right after i installed squeeze. cant say if it installed flgrx or not
10:46<deskey>XeonBloomfield : will try that now
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10:46<laarmen>nickie: In that case, you should find the causes of your problem in the oldest X log file
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10:48<Guest3497>I was here a few days ago. I just installed Debian and need to update the kernel. Someone gave me a command to msg dpkg and it told me what to do. Does anyone know which command I am talking of?
10:48<nickie>laarmen: what if i try to completely remove flgrx, and then reinstall x? i just dont have oldest log files
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10:50<laarmen>Guest3497: It was probably /msg dpkg <something>. Sadly, I don't know more...
10:50<Guest3497>laarmen: Yes, but I can not remember the <something> :P
10:50<laarmen>/msg/dpkg help
10:50<dvs>!tell Guest3176 about bpo
10:50<Guest3497>that sounds right
10:50<Wyzard>nickie: Reinstalling X isn't likely to change anything
10:51<Guest3497>bpo
10:51<laarmen>nickie: The log files are in /var/log/Xorg.*
10:52<Guest3497>laarmen: Found it. 'bdo kernel'
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10:53<nickie>Wyzard: that's an old windows habit lol. actually i dont know what to do. xorg log doesnt show any errors, though x still hangs
10:54<babilen>deskey: Re Firmware: You'll have to install firmware-realtek to get hold of that firmware.
10:54<Wyzard>nickie: If you post the xorg log file somewhere, maybe others can help find problems
10:55<nickie>already posted. here it is http://pastebin.com/2RLPyF0H
10:55<deskey>adding that will help to get the realtek get working... but that won;t help any graphic issuesfirmware-realtek
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10:55<deskey>will try the fglx now ...
10:55<babilen>deskey: indeed
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10:56<babilen>deskey: I had the impression that you got hardware rendering after installing the firmware, was that not the case?
10:56<deskey>no
10:56<deskey>software render..
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10:57<babilen>!fglrx dkms
10:57<dpkg>[fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf".
10:57<babilen>deskey: Do that ^^^
10:57<laarmen>deskey: Yes, it was the case :)
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10:58<demonheadx>When I install tightvnc server (i installed while in root) where is my vnc/xstartup ?
10:58<babilen>deskey: Could you paste the output of 'glxinfo|grep -ie "direct\|opengl renderer"' just to make sure?
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10:58<deskey>http://pastebin.ca/2075088
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10:59<deskey>that was the glxinfo output
10:59<babilen>ok, well, you can try fglrx
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10:59<bar__>there's a maximum time select() can wait if timeout is null ?
11:00<deskey>babilen : bash: !fglrx: event not found
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11:00<laarmen>deskey, babilen: I quote : deskey | OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1
11:00<babilen>deskey: What was your command? aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver ?
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11:01<deskey>fglx driver didnt even started yet
11:01<laarmen>babilen, deskey: nevermind. I must be tired :)
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11:01<deskey>i am going through the page for ati driver
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11:02<babilen>deskey: Please, do what dpkg just told us about.
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11:07<demonheadx>Where would my tightvnc xstartup file be found?
11:08<deskey>babilen : u want me to stop the x and from terminal type those command at once?
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11:09<babilen>yes, but you can leave the "modprobe ..." stuff out and do it within X if you are so inclined. Restart your system afterwards.
11:10<towo`>he has to blacklist radeon for propper load of fglrx
11:10<deskey>can u explain what happeneds with that command
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11:12<babilen>deskey: aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver will install kernel headers for the currently running kernel and fglrx-driver along with recommended packages. the "echo -e" stuff will create a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with the device specific section needed to use fglrx
11:13<deskey>thats looks like someone going to get it... ,[^-]*-[^-]*
11:13<deskey>will try now..anyway...
11:14<babilen>deskey: That is a regular expression, you might want to learn sed and awk as skills with them are good to have.
11:15<gsimmons>towo`: radeon is blacklisted by a file provided in the fglrx-driver package.
11:15<towo`>ah, then it's good
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11:20<deskey>trying to kill the X server.. did the alt ctrl no result
11:20<deskey>also tried killall gdm... no chance..
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11:21<babilen>deskey: Just reboot the machine (and fwiw, you either need to disable dontzap or switch to a console and run "service gdm3 restart" or so -- but we want the radeon blacklist in place. You can also stop the X server and remove the modules in question.
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11:24<deskey>just reboot the machine? u said earlier to stop the x and try those command right?
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11:25<babilen>just reboot, it'll be easier that way (for you and us)
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11:26<deskey>reboot without trying those command?
11:26<babilen>which commands?
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11:26<deskey>bunch of commands u told me earlier to do
11:26<babilen>I assume you ran the "aptitude -r install ...." and the "mkdir .... echo -e ..." one by now.
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11:26<deskey>no not yet
11:26<deskey>gona do now
11:27<babilen>what have you been doing in the meanwhile?
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11:28<deskey>listening to wife!!!
11:28<deskey>b r b
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11:33<PeterNL>Hi. I want to place a server in a situation without internet connectivity. So I need a dhcp server and a dns server that always resolves to the address of the server itself. How do I do this
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11:37<PeterNL>"gegoogleld? (hoe schrijf je dit eigenlijk?)" - "En dat schrijf je als "gezocht" of "gevonden". Google is de naam van een bedrijf, geen werkwoord."
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11:37<PeterNL>oops, wrong channel. Sorry ;)
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11:39<deskey>fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm
11:39<deskey>command not found
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11:41<deskey>i missed that part earlier.. doing it again now
11:41<babilen>deskey: The "fglrx-driver" was part of the "aptitude -r install" command
11:41<deskey>babilen : i am doing again now with that fglrx-driver now
11:41<deskey>32% done
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11:44<deskey>dkms : install complete
11:45<deskey>FATAL : Module radeon is in use
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11:45<deskey>FATAL : Module radeon is in use
11:46<deskey>babilen : ignore the error?
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11:46<babilen>deskey: You are running X?
11:46<deskey>yes
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11:46<babilen>deskey: I mentioned earlier to leave out the "modprobe" command if you do this within X. Just create the configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and reboot.
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11:48<deskey>aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && -r radeon drm ; s ;
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11:48<niftylettuce>anyone here get thermal sensors to work on HP laptop?
11:48<niftylettuce>I can't figure it out
11:48<niftylettuce>my comp runs really hot
11:48<deskey>babilen : aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; s ;
11:48<niftylettuce>and fan doesnt speed up as temperature increases
11:48<babilen>deskey: No, you've successfully ran "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver" now didn't you?
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11:49<deskey>when i try now it says No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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11:51<babilen>deskey: Yes, I assume that they have already been installed earlier. You can now run the "mkdir ..." and the "echo -e" command.
11:51<deskey>done
11:51<deskey>reboot?
11:52<deskey>and loging back?
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11:52<babilen>deskey: Could you run "dpkg -l fglrx-driver" and "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please?
11:53<deskey>http://paste.debian.net/118895/
11:56<niftylettuce>could someone point me in the right direction for detecting thermal temperature and altering fancontrol based off this?
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11:56<niftylettuce>I've googled the hell out of this
11:56<deskey>http://paste.debian.net/118896/
11:56<deskey>babilen : got both of them?
11:56<deskey>shall i re boot now?
11:56<babilen>deskey: looks great, please reboot
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12:03<deskey>babilen : i am back
12:03<deskey>nothing is broken so far
12:03<babilen>marvellous
12:04<deskey>here goes the glxgears result
12:04<babilen>"glxinfo" → http://paste.debian.net
12:04<deskey>29585 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5916.873 FPS
12:04<sney>doesn't fglrx have its own gears/info binaries?
12:04<Haikarainen>why doesnt debians pastebin have syntax highlightning ? its a piece of cake with GeSHi
12:04<babilen>I don't really care about glxgears ;)
12:04<sney>that is working
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12:04<sney>Haikarainen: ask the maintainer?
12:05<babilen>Haikarainen: I guess because nobody implemented it yet. You should talk to the maintainers.
12:05<Haikarainen>sney: im not that into the debian community, thats why i asked here , in case someone is informed/is maintaining the site :)
12:05<deskey>http://paste.debian.net/118897/
12:05<babilen>Haikarainen: Not sure who runs the site, give me a minute
12:05<deskey>tell if thats a good news
12:05<Haikarainen>alexander wirt
12:05<Haikarainen>apparently
12:05<babilen>deskey: Looks fine, hope you are happy now :)
12:06<deskey>thats seems accelerated 3D
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12:07<@Ganneff>Haikarainen: http://paste.debian.net/118898/ - very much syntax hilighting. you just need to do it right when you paste
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12:07<Haikarainen>Ganneff: Lol wud u look at that, kinda embarrasing since i just mailed the guy
12:08<@Ganneff>Haikarainen: well. next time - open your eyes first
12:08<deskey>babilen : does it using the proprietory driver now ?
12:08<Haikarainen>Ganneff: stop being a bitch dude :P Never used the pastebin, just noticed an unhighlighted piece of code
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12:09<sney>rude
12:09<daemonkeeper>You never know to whom you are talking ...
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12:11<babilen>deskey: Yes, it is.
12:12<babilen>Haikarainen: Please refrain from this kind of language in the future. Thank you.
12:12<Haikarainen>yeah sure, just dont like "smart" pricks
12:12*akerl facepalms
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12:14<deskey>babilen : sorry for being such a stupid...but can i ask you what was the difference between the site you provide me for ati driver and the once we did it now
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12:15<babilen>deskey: I never gave you the link to the wiki -- I know that the method we performed now is preferred over the one described on the wiki. This is mainly due to the differences in the way the xorg.conf is created. Read "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" to understand it.
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12:16<sney>hm, a finn connecting from a .se host, no wonder he was ornery /ot
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12:16<PeterNL>Hi. I want to place a server in a situation without internet connectivity. So I need a dhcp server and a dns server that always resolves to the address of the server itself. How do I do this
12:17<sney>read the manuals for bind and dhcpd
12:17<sney>should be simple to set up
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12:17<PeterNL>I have heard about dnsmasq, isn't that way easier for me?
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12:18<PeterNL>And I don't really understand the docs, I'm a beginner at this
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12:19<deskey>babilen : i shall do that
12:19<sney>I haven't set up dns personally. maybe you should just skip dns and use nis to share hosts definitions, if you want everything to redirect to one place
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12:19<deskey>"/msg command for?
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12:20<deskey>i have been wondering since the beginning of this conversation here.. you keep doing that
12:20<babilen>deskey: it sends a private message to dpkg (our bot) -- enter that in your IRC client.
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12:21<babilen>!tell deskey -about irc tutorial
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12:22<babilen>deskey: You should have mentioned that you don't understand what I mean with that command. Would have explained it a bit earlier in that case. :)
12:22<deskey>:) scared
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12:23<babilen>No need to be scared ... seriously! Ask whatever you don't understand. Failure to do so will just make us assume that you've understood everything mentioned so far.
12:24*babilen hands deskay a cookie
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12:24<deskey> :) thanks.. will do that
12:24<babilen>that will help you relac
12:24<babilen>*relax
12:24<deskey>i start to feel its already that debian going to be on my laptop forever...
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12:24<babilen>deskey: that happens :)
12:25<deskey>since 2 months now...i have tried few distros..
12:25<sney>do you want to know when I first installed Debian?
12:25<deskey>however ubuntu was there for a long time.. but ever since its getting more security updates its time to move
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12:26<deskey>and no more flashy guis.. and no control to adjust anything...
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12:28<deskey>graphic card story over.. moving to sound and mic
12:28<deskey>:)
12:28<babilen>heh
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12:28<demonheadx>How do I start up my xfce4 ?
12:28<demonheadx>I installed xorg and xfce4 already btw
12:28<sney>startx
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12:29<PeterNL>I don't understand how I could skip dns and use nis. What will hapen if someone (not me) connects his laptop to the server and wants to view webpages on taht machine without knowing the IP
12:29<demonheadx>fatal server error..
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12:29<PeterNL>(okay, the Ip will just be 192.168.1.1 but the target users won't understand that)
12:29<sney>PeterNL: you mean like non-*nix clients? ah, ok
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12:29<PeterNL>yep ;)
12:29<sney>still, it's a minimal thing
12:29<jhutchins_lt>demonheadx: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:30<PeterNL>windows/osx/linux and if I add wifi even most smatrphones should work
12:30<sney>hmm, you could probably do it with squid
12:30<sney>actually hang on
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12:30<PeterNL>squid is a proxy server, right?
12:31<demonheadx>jhutchin_1t, when I type that I get permissions denied. even though Im in root.
12:31<sney>yes
12:31<PeterNL>like they use on wifi hostpots to redirect you to a login page?
12:31<sney>http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html this howto uses iptables to direct all web traffic to a single ip. this is probably what you want.
12:31<sney>it's right after the 'iptables is fun' header
12:32<PeterNL>okay, that's fun! I should do that at home (or wherever) for april fools ;)
12:33<sney>the iptables one-liner he uses to redirect everyone to kittenwar can also be used in your case
12:33<PeterNL>so I basically just need iptables and dhcp?
12:33<deskey>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
12:34<PeterNL>(but then how does google.com become 192.168.1.1?)
12:34<deskey>no mic were detected
12:34<sney>PeterNL: because iptables routes *all* traffic to 192.168.1.1
12:34<deskey>:(
12:34<PeterNL>err, browser does dns request, dns fails, then...?
12:34<sney>they could type www.google.com, or www.debian.org, or www.help-I'm-trapped-in-an-internet-factory.com and it would still go to the same place
12:35<PeterNL>whet does a browser do when there is no dns?
12:35<mrg>I setup an MTA earlier, outgoing email is working, but reply to headers are appearing is user@mail.domain.com rather than user@domain.com. I'm rather new to this.
12:35<PeterNL>what*
12:35<sney>hmm, good question, in the example there is internet connectivity
12:36<sney>anyway, I'm just guessing here. your docs can tell you more
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12:40<karen_> hi, i just installed ubuntu and I don't know if I'm in the right place to get help
12:40<cahoot>not really, !tell karen_ about ubuntu
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12:41<cahoot>!tell karen_ about ubuntu
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12:41<deskey>try #ubuntu
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12:42<sney>at least she was polite about it
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12:44<Haikarainen>evul :(
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12:45<babilen>Haikarainen: Welcome back. Please keep it civil in the future.
12:45<PeterNL>I think a browser would display a dnsish error and not do any http request at all
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12:46<PeterNL>can I setup a dns server with a singe wildcard record?
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13:14<offsec_student>Hi all
13:14<sney>hi
13:14<offsec_student>im trying email harvesting
13:15<sney>!backtrack
13:15<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid (as of BackTrack 5), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
13:15<offsec_student>using ./goog-mai.py
13:15<offsec_student>nothing shows up
13:16<offsec_student> ./goog-mail.py -d msn.com -l 50 -b google
13:16<sney>maybe you should try for some reading comprehension. You are in #debian. Are you using Debian GNU/Linux?
13:16<Arrowmaster>!bt4-magic
13:16<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net.
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13:17<bahamat>Does anybody familiar with SNMP know why a counter would reset?
13:19<EmleyMoor>Anyone know a guide to setting up anyremote, preferably with reference to amarok?
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13:21<XeonBloomfield>Welcome back #debian ;)
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13:22<XeonBloomfield>Somebody want to see my desktop? ;P
13:23-!-tamiko_ is now known as tamiko
13:23<XeonBloomfield>http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6669/screenshot0604201107440.png
13:23<XeonBloomfield>What do you think about that?
13:23<XeonBloomfield>Debian-like one? ;)
13:23<XeonBloomfield>I mean "Debian-like" that "telling that it is Debian"
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13:25<babilen>XeonBloomfield: → #debian-offtopic please
13:25<XeonBloomfield>babilen: It's question about Debian
13:25<XeonBloomfield>it's installed yesterday system ;)
13:25<cahoot> #debian-showofftopic?
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13:26<Lordy>Hello
13:26<XeonBloomfield>Lordy: Hello Lordy
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13:28<Lordy>I'm runing under Debian Squeeze, and i was able to connect to wifi everytime, but now i have switch on my pc and i can't connect to it
13:29<sney>Lordy: what changed since the last time you connected?
13:29<Lordy>Nothing
13:29<Lordy>i'll give u my iwconfig
13:29<sney>don't paste it to the channel
13:30<Lordy>i'll do it in pastebin
13:30<sney>ok.
13:30<Lordy>iwconfig pastebin http://pastebin.com/c7cj6qK6
13:31<sney>can you associate to your network with iwconfig?
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13:33<Lordy>How can i do it ? :D
13:33<Lordy>I d'ont know how to do it sorry :D
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13:33<sney>iwconfig wlan0 essid your-network-name
13:34<babilen>Lordy: What kind of network is it (open/wep/wpa/wpa2)? How did you connect until now?
13:34<Lordy>yes i can
13:35<Lordy>it's a wpa and wpa2 personel
13:35<Lordy>now i'm connected with ethernet cable
13:35<Lordy>sney yes i can associat with ethernet cable
13:36<Lordy>it give this >
13:36<Lordy>>
13:36<babilen>Lordy: No, I mean how did you connect to your wireless network? Did you use wpasupplicant, wicd or network-manager?
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13:37<Lordy>oh
13:38<Lordy>i use module-assistant and wirelles-tools
13:38<Lordy>wireless-tools
13:38<babilen>Lordy: Will you only connect to this network or will you have to constantly switch between networks?
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13:39<Lordy>@ Home i connect only in this network but sometimes at school or business I switch
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13:40<babilen>Ok, I would recommend to either use wpasupplicants roaming mode (read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz), wicd (i personally prefer this) or network-manager. Type "/msg dpkg wicd" and "/msg dpkg network-manager" in your IRC client to learn about them.
13:41<Lordy>it will fix the problem
13:41<babilen>It will most likely let you connect to your network, yes.
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13:42<babilen>Lordy: You can try the "Managed Mode" way of wpasupplicant first, or just wicd/network-manager. wicd ships a nice curses/console interface in the wicd-curses package.
13:42<Lordy>Thank you
13:42<Lordy>I appreciate your help
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13:45<Lordy>but i should firct uninstall module-assistant and wireless-tools ?
13:45<Lordy>first*
13:46<sney>no
13:46<PeterNL>can I setup a dns server with a singe wildcard record? And how?
13:46<Lordy>Ok
13:46<Lordy>Thank you
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13:46<sney>PeterNL: in order to tell you the answer, I would have to read the manual.
13:46<PeterNL>what manual?
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13:46<babilen>bind9's manual comes to mind.
13:46<FelixBek>help me
13:46<PeterNL>okay
13:47<babilen>FelixBek: Whatwith?
13:47*PeterNL types man bin<tab>
13:47<babilen>PeterNL: http://www.bind9.net/ -- they also have an IRC channel over at freenode
13:47<PeterNL>Ah, I'll ask in there :)
13:48<babilen>PeterNL: The README.Debian is also worth a look.
13:48<FelixBek>program to change the file *. dylib
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13:48<PeterNL>Can I read that without installing it?
13:48<FelixBek>There is
13:49<babilen>FelixBek: Which file is that and why do you think you need to change it? Please provide more information and also tell us what you are trying to achieve eventually.
13:49<FelixBek>Who knows the Russian language
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13:50<PeterNL>google translate does
13:50<babilen>FelixBek: Are you using Debian?
13:50<FelixBek>Nop
13:50<babilen>FelixBek: What are you running?
13:50<FelixBek>Хочу себе установить
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13:50<FelixBek>I want to establish themselves
13:51<PeterNL>yeah, taht's waht google translate says, but what are you doing in #debian?
13:51<FelixBek>Give a link to a good distribution
13:51<babilen>FelixBek: Please speak English in here -- If you use Windows you don't want to ask for help in a Debian channel (this is #debian) but in a windows one. There is ##windows on irc.freenode.net.
13:52<FelixBek>Apologies
13:52<Zaba>FelixBek wants to install debian
13:52<sney>felixbek: a link to a good distribution http://www.debian.org/index.ru.html
13:52<babilen>FelixBek: If you want to try Debian you can start doing so by reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.ru -- We also have a russian channel (#debian-russian)
13:53<PeterNL>Why do we use html.ru in some places and ru.html in others? ;)
13:54<FelixBek>Thx
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13:54<sney>PeterNL: no standardisation
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13:55<PeterNL>heh, I figured ;)
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13:57<FelixBek>I'm on a computer Pentium 4 2.40 ghz 768 RAM can I install debian there
13:57<towo`>sure
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13:58<FelixBek>Will normally work?
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13:59<FelixBek>Do not scold a newcomer
13:59<Lordy>hello back
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13:59<Lordy>when i tried to install wicd
13:59<Lordy>it gives this message Erreur : Dependency is not satisfiable: wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-6)
14:00<sney>FelixBek: that computer will be fine, I also have it on a Pentium 4 1.8 GHz with 512MB
14:00<towo`>FelixBek, why should it not normaly work?
14:01<PeterNL>I have installed debian on a 400mhz celeron with 192mb ram and it runs fine :)
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14:01<FelixBek>All will install debian
14:01<PeteG>Hey folks. So I am currently in the process of recovering from a catastrophic disk error, and have decided it is time for me to migrate back to debian. Anyone have any thoughts on what filesystem I should use for a dedicated machine with a seperate /home. It is a desktop machine, not using too many large files (over 500 mb).
14:01<FelixBek>Oho
14:01<PeterNL>ext4?
14:02<PeteG>PeterNL: it might be my imagination, but my probs started with ext4.
14:02<sney>I've been using jfs primarily for about 6 years with zero trouble ever, the only downside is no filesystem resize support
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14:02<FelixBek>Can I install from the flash
14:02<sney>FelixBek: yep!
14:02<jhutchins>ext4 is not appropriate for that situation.
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14:03<FelixBek>as
14:03<PeteG>sney: but, if you are backing up regularly and need to resize, not issues then.
14:03<PeterNL>Why is ext4 not suitable for that?
14:03<FelixBek>will not help?
14:04<PeteG>sney, I read that jfs is fast and stable. I just can't find anywhere if I can copy files across volumes.. say to or from NTFS or FAT...
14:04<sney>PeteG: sure you can, I do it every day
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14:04<PeteG>sney: nice... so the only downside that you can see or know of is that I wouldn't be able to resize if I needed to?
14:05<sney>yeah, oh and that it can't be mounted by windows
14:05<PeteG>meh... have no MS in my house at all... ;)
14:05<jhutchins>PeteG: The changes between ext3 and ext4 are all about supporting large files and large volumes.
14:06<PeterNL>But that's a problem with all filesystems besides ntfs and fat32, right?
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14:06<PeterNL>oh, and ext2
14:06<sney>yeah, ext2/3 can be mounted in windows with an extra driver
14:06<PeterNL>and sometimes ext3/4 if you are lucky
14:06<jhutchins>Actually, you can get ext drivers for Windows.
14:06<PeteG>jhutchins: been using ext4, but honestly I have nothing but issues... Could be my hardware, could be me... who knows. I can't remember having this many disk probs on ext2 or ext3
14:07<sney>ext4 is new, iirc there are still important bugs filed against it, I won't use it on anything important for a while.
14:07<jhutchins>Someone was having permissions issues on ext4 the other day. Don't think we ever quite figured it out.
14:07<sney>the advantages over ext3 are not that notable anyway.
14:07<PeteG>so now, I have been spending several hours trying to recover 130 gb from my /home :(
14:07<PeterNL>but ext2 has no journaling, so a power failure is a filesystem failure, right? And the samething happens when you mount ext3/4 as ext2 as thos windows drivers do, right?
14:07<jhutchins>I would say that if you don't specifically need ext4's new features there's no good reason to use it, and you can always upgrade to ext4 if you need to .
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14:08<sney>peternl: www.fs-driver.org explains how it works
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14:08*PeteG will try jfs.
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14:11<moondoggy>#list
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14:17<EmleyMoor>How do I see the address of my Bluetooth device?
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14:18<fyksen>Is there a apt-get based distro with gnome 3?
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14:21<sney>fyksen: I don't know about now, but debian testing will probably have it in a few months
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14:27<jhutchins>!gnome3
14:27<dpkg>GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>.
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14:34<mao__>Hello guys. At my uni we have a WiFi network to which I cannot connect. I can connect to my home network fine, but not to my uni network. My uni network doesn't use any encription. I tried connecting with wicd but to no avail. I tried manually using wireless-tools, but when I do `iwconfig wlan0 essid <network_name>'... nothing happends. It doenst assign any access point
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14:34<mao__>any ideas?
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14:36<sney>mao__: does it show in iwlist? maybe if you specify the channel
14:37<mao__>It shows in iwlist, I tried specifing a channel - doesnt help
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14:37<mao__>oh, I should add that there are SEVERAL access points sharing one essid
14:38<mao__>but in Windows or in Mac OS in wireless manager it shows as one network
14:38<mao__>while in wicd it shows as many
14:38<sney>yeah, fairly normal way to get extra coverage
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14:38<sney>maybe if you specify a mac address to connect to?
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14:38<EmleyMoor>Wow, this anyremote thing is great
14:38<mao__>like `iwconfig ap <mac-from-iwlist>'? Tried that
14:38<mao__>doesnt work
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14:39<Osiris_X>how do you know if you have a "SMART" battery requiring ACPI_SBS module ?
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14:40<sney>Osiris_X: like on a raid controller? they're normally big and would report status on post
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14:41<Osiris_X>sney, ok
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14:43<mao__>I figured out that our uni wifi is powered by "Cisco Wireless Mesh" if that matters
14:45<amanfromtheinternet>Hello. Is it possible to put debian live .img file into usb using unetbootin?
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14:45<devil>amanfromtheinternet: its even possible with dd or cat
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14:46<amanfromtheinternet>is there dd or cat for windows?
14:46<devil>dd if=/path/to/debian.iso of=/dev/sdx
14:46<devil>amanfromtheinternet: i heard of dd for windows.
14:47<amanfromtheinternet>should i install cygwin for that or look for native dd?
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14:48<devil>i dont have much knowledge of windows
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14:48<amanfromtheinternet>ok thanks for the answers
14:49<hpvincent>hi all, is there an eclipse CDT package for debian squeeze ?
14:50<mao__>So, can somebody help me please?
14:50<mao__> At my uni we have a WiFi network to which I cannot connect. I can connect to my home network fine, but
14:50<mao__> not to my uni network. My uni network doesn't use any encription. I tried connecting with wicd but to no avail. I
14:50<mao__> tried manually using wireless-tools, but when I do `iwconfig wlan0 essid <network_name>'... nothing happends. It
14:50<mao__> doenst assign any access point
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14:50<mao__>uh
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14:51<towo`>amanfromtheinternet, there is a native dd for win
14:52<XeonBloomfield>mao__:
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14:52<amanfromtheinternet>yes, i saw that. thank you
14:52<XeonBloomfield>mao__: Use "iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_WLAN_ESSID" and "dhclient wlan0"
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14:54<babilen>amanfromtheinternet: If you want to use the "dd" for Windows to create the boot stick it should be noted that many people had problems with that. Use https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. (just rename the .iso to .img -- windows is a bit retarded when it comes to filenames)
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14:56<mao__>XeonBloomfield: `iwconfig wlan0 essid MY_WLAN_ESSID' should associate an AP, but when I do `iwconfig' I see that wlan0 still has no AP associated
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14:57<XeonBloomfield>mao__: Are you sure that you are writing right ESSID?
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14:57<mao__>XeonBloomfield: yes
14:57<mao__>i tried itr with quotes too
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14:59<jhutchins_lt>What about your encryption?
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15:00<amanfromtheinternet>is it possible to put proprietary drivers into usb with official live img?
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15:01<jhutchins_lt>amanfromtheinternet: You can remaster the image.
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15:02<mao__>jhutchins_lt: were you talking to me?
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15:02<Osiris_X>can someone tell me what the new Target Core Mod features in the kernel are for?
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15:07<amanfromtheinternet>why debian usb persistance (in another partition) is different from ubuntu (a file)?
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15:08<jhutchins_lt>amanfromtheinternet: They're different distributions. Different components, different configurations, different versions, sometimes completely different software.
15:08<jhutchins_lt>amanfromtheinternet: The fact that they share some things sometimes confuses people.
15:08<CyberCalm>Ubuntu: Debian massacred.
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15:20<PeterNL>arggh! my realtek rtl8193 is not working. it does show up in lspci but not ifconfig...
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15:20<PeterNL>but it used to work with some versions of ubuntu...
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15:21<PeterNL>do I need firmware-realtek for this?
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15:21<Javi>hello
15:21<PeteG>PeterNL: Broadcom chipset?
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15:21<PeterNL>err, realtek?
15:22<Javi>hello
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15:22<PeteG>PeterNL: lspci | grep Broadcom
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15:22<Javi>hello
15:22<Javi>peteg
15:22<PeterNL>PeteG: nothing
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15:22<sney>PeterNL: 8193 is just wired, right?
15:22<sney>hi javi.
15:22<PeterNL>yep. no wifi
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15:23<sney>er. 8139
15:23<PeteG>er... sorry. thought it was wireless
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15:23<sney>8139 should "just work"
15:24<PeterNL>yeah, that's what I tought. Ind it did "just work" on ubuntu
15:24<sney>PeteG: either way. realtek is not broadcom. they may equally annoying but they aren't related
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15:24<sney>!rtl8139
15:24<dpkg>The Realtek RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>.
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15:25<PeterNL>moment...
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15:25<PeteG>is this a modprobe moment?
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15:27<PeterNL>yep, I was connecting my screen from the irc to the problem machine, and trying modprobe
15:27<PeterNL>I do have both modules installed, but they don't o anything
15:27<PeterNL>nothing happens when I modprobe them
15:27<PeterNL>wait a minute
15:27<sney>what is the full lspci output for that device?
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15:27<sney>sigh
15:27<zem>have you tried ifconfig -a
15:27<sney>he quit
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15:27<PeteG>oops
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15:28<sney>PeterNL: lspci -nn |grep -i net
15:28<PeterNL>Now running xchat on my laptop so I can see irc and the console :)
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15:28<zem>have you tried ifconfig -a
15:28<PeterNL>oh, the full lspci output...
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15:29<PeterNL>http://i.imgur.com/femtb.jpg
15:29<sney>and 8139too is loaded?
15:29<PeterNL>no connectivity means no pastebinit and no copy/paste :)
15:30<sney>yeah, fair enough
15:30<PeteG>creative
15:30<PeterNL>i modprobed it and ifconfig still showed only local loopback
15:30<sney>better than the time some guy showed a shaky blurry youtube video of his kernel panic on boot
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15:30<sney>PeterNL: does it show as loaded in lsmod?
15:30<PeteG>lol
15:30<PeterNL>lemme check
15:30<amanfromtheinternet__>I've put debian live .img into usb using win32-image-writer, booted from usb and it said 'Missing operating system'. Suggestions?
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15:31<PeterNL>8139too and 8139cp are loaded
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15:31<PeterNL>but that's after modprobe
15:31<sney>PeterNL: ok, try doing ifconfig eth0
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15:32<PeterNL>ifconfig -a does show up a eth1 (the hdd was in another machine during first boot)
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15:33<zem>um... "ifconfig eth1 up" then?
15:33<sney>amanfromtheinternet: did you mount the usb drive under windows to make sure it had written properly?
15:33<zem>when you modprobe your drivers the interfaces start down, so ifconfig doesn't show them without -a parameter
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15:34<lee-0>PeterNL: try find /etc/udev/ -type f | grep eth
15:35<lee-0>there´s probably a rule that names your card as eth1 instead of eth0
15:35<amanfromtheinternet>sney: how to do that?
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15:35<zem>and eth1 is a sign there was eth0 at some point, either different NIC or different drivers
15:35<lee-0>alternatively, you can edit /etc/network/interfaces and adjust
15:35<PeterNL>lemme take a pic of that
15:35<PeterNL>http://i.imgur.com/QFWI4.jpg
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15:35<sney>amanfromtheinternet: generally, just plug it in to a running windows machine, and see if you can see the files
15:35<PeterNL>oops, wifi on my laptop was failing. did you already recieve the pic?
15:36<lee-0>PeterNL: pic is up
15:36<PeterNL>okay
15:36<zem>PeterNL: seems fine to me
15:36<sney>just needs an address
15:36<sney>dhclient eth1 anybody
15:36<amanfromtheinternet>sney: yes, i see usb contents properly
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15:36<zem>either dhclient eht1, or ifconfig eth1 [address]
15:36<PeterNL>wait a second...
15:37<PeterNL>afaik
15:37<PeterNL>I might have created an exeption rule in my router for this mac address
15:37<PeterNL>wichg back then was running ubuntu with a static ip...
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15:38<zem>do you remember what addres it was? (and exception to what btw?)
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15:39<PeterNL>to dhcp
15:39<PeterNL>and the mac address is the one in the pic :)
15:39<zem>then just do ifconfig eth1 [address] netmask [netmask]
15:39<PeterNL>wait, let's reboot my router...
15:40<zem>default would be probably something like 192.168.X.Y/255.255.255.0
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15:42<PeterNL>oh, how do I change eth1 back into eth0?
15:42<sney>there's a file in /etc/udev that defines them
15:42<sney>you can edit or just delete it and it'll generate a new one on boot
15:42<PeterNL>okay
15:43<zem>i just wonder, why would you make dhcp exception rule on your router? you can just make static ip on client, what would be the point in not letting it have an address?
15:44<PeterNL>oh, I don't know actually why I did that back then
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15:44<PeterNL>tunrs out I didn't do that router-side, just client-side
15:44<PeterNL>so why is this thiung not getting a dhcp address?
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15:44<PeterNL>router is running dd-wrt if that matters
15:44<zem>have you tried dhclient eth1?
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15:45<PeterNL>hey, it's got an IP
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15:46<PeterNL>ssh is working ;)
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15:47<zem>if it isn't geting an ip at startup, then you need to change/add "iface eth1 inet static" to "iface eth1 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces
15:47<babilen>... and add "auto eth1"
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15:48<PeterNL>okay, but I'm not going to do that since I'm going to setup dnsmasq as dhcp and dns server
15:48<zem>and reading "man interfaces" would help you understanding what you are doing...
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15:52<PeterNL>so in that case I should configure a static ip like 192.168.1.1. right?
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15:56<amanfromtheinternet>So when i try to boot from usb it says 'Missing Operating System'. Who shows this message: bios, syslinux?
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15:57<j_azuaje>Buenas tardes como estan??
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15:58<j_azuaje>una consulta si se puede??
15:58<rijo>@amanfromtheinternet: it means the bios cannot find the mbr on the usb stick
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15:59<streuner_>dpkg, es j_azuaje
15:59<dpkg>j_azuaje: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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16:06<sander_m>Hi. I'm having a serious problem with gvfsd. When I attach my camera (a Fuji FinePix S5700) gvfsd-gphoto2 keeps hogging the device. I am trying to copy a bunch of photos and videos off my camera but I cannot do that through gvfsd-gphoto2 and Nautilus. It's leaking memory all over the place, freezing up my entire system. So I am trying to use good old-fashioned gtkam for this, but I cannot find a way to disable gvfsd-gphoto2 or to tell it to quit hogg
16:06<sander_m>ing my device.
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16:11<Nemoder>how do I remap my mouse buttons?
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16:15<amphi>Nemoder: you can use xmodmap I believe
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16:17<PeterNL>okay, I have dhcp with dnsmasq working now :)
16:17<Nemoder>amphi: I can't figure out how to use that correctly, I'm trying to map my horizontal wheel to work as middle clicks
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16:18<amphi>Nemoder: horiz wheel is buttons 6 & 7 if I recall correctly
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16:19<Nemoder>amphi: so is that xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 3 3"
16:19<Nemoder>i dont understand the which is physical and which is the map
16:20<amphi>"2 2" at the end; 2 is middle button
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16:20<Nemoder>amphi: no luck :( http://paste.debian.net/118919/
16:20<amphi>Nemoder: I've not done it myself, but if I recall correctly the sequence is the 'physical' order
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16:22<amphi>Nemoder: perhaps you should use xinput
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16:23<Nemoder>amphi: i'm not sure how to specify a device with xinput given the random characters: http://paste.debian.net/118920/
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16:23<amphi>use the id
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16:25<amphi>eg xinput --list-props 8
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16:26<Nemoder>amphi: http://paste.debian.net/118922/
16:26<Nemoder>so 129 and 130 are the wheels i want to change?
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16:27<Nemoder>i'm not sure how to set a map for that
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16:27<amphi>nor I - perhaps man xinput has some info?
16:28<Nemoder>documentation is somewhat lacking :/
16:28<amphi>--set-button-map looks promising
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16:29<amphi>--set-button-map 8 1 2 3 4 5 2 2
16:29<amphi>perhaps
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16:29<Nemoder>amphi: i tried that but it hasn't changed anything
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16:31<Nemoder>it seems like evdev uses all these high number codes for buttons and X uses 1-32
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16:35<Nemoder>oh neat, i managed to disable left clicks
16:35<Nemoder>at least it's doing something
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16:38<amphi>heh
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16:40<Nemoder>meh, will have to fight this later, so frustrating with this new mouse as it's almost impossible to middle click without activating the horizontal buttons instead
16:41<amanfromtheinternet>is stable always named squeeze, or codename changes?
16:41<daemonkeeper>Code names do change
16:41<babilen>!release history
16:41<daemonkeeper>The next one will be called Wheezy
16:41<dpkg>Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives
16:41<babilen>amanfromtheinternet: ^^^^
16:42<babilen>amanfromtheinternet: All named after characters from Toy Story (/me waits for "Debian Troll 12.0.2")
16:42<amanfromtheinternet>that's interesting
16:43<daemonkeeper>I wonder how many Toy story characters there are at all. Maybe we run out of cahracters in 2068 or so.
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16:43<daemonkeeper>*characters
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16:44<babilen>I am sure there are more than 25 characters left .. But "Debian Troll" would just be great :)
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16:46<daemonkeeper>But I liked the rolling proposal to be bob
16:46<babilen>oh yeah, nice touch
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16:47<daemonkeeper>Not that I ever saw Toy Story, but "Roller Bob" (http://pixar.wikia.com/Roller_Bob) sounded about right. </ot>
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16:53<shaun>hi
16:53<shaun>how do I join a new server?
16:53<daemonkeeper>If you are using xchat, open the xchat -> server list menu
16:54<shaun>Thank you
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16:59<amanfromtheinternet>What can cause lots of small horizontal lines on the screen? dell studio 1537, ati mobility radeon hd 3400 series
17:00<devil>amanfromtheinternet: what driver?
17:01<amanfromtheinternet>probably generic which is provided in live cd
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17:02<devil>amanfromtheinternet: is firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
17:02<devil>its not provided by the CD
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17:07<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know what typically configures the IP routing table during the boot process?
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17:07<petemc>kingsley: the init script that brings up the network interfaces
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17:08<kingsley>petemc: Perhaps /etc/init.d/networking ?
17:08<petemc>yes
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17:10<kingsley>For what it's worth, the "start)" case seems to just do an "ifup -a".
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17:11<PeterNL>This happens when I try loa load the module for my hardware monitoring chip
17:11<PeterNL>FATAL: Error inserting w83627hf (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627hf.ko): Device or resource busy
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17:16<Black_Prince>PeterNL, some other module is using thermal sensor
17:16<Black_Prince>Or whatever it is
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17:17<PeterNL>what module can it be?
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17:17<PeterNL>there is no module with a similiar name loaded
17:17<Black_Prince>PeterlNL, pastebin lsmod output
17:17<PeterNL>one minute...
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17:19<PeterNL>http://paste.debian.net/118927/
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17:20<PeterNL>brb
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17:22<Black_Prince>PeterNL, you are right. There isn't any module that depends on hwmon_vid module.
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17:22<Black_Prince>I am not sure, but it may be acpi thermal module that uses device
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17:24<PeterNL>even after rmmod thermal I get the same error
17:24<PeterNL>thermal_sys is in use by processor, so I cannot remove that one
17:25<Black_Prince>PeterNL, sorry. Have you tried running sensors-detect ?
17:25<PeterNL>yep
17:26<PeterNL>http://paste.debian.net/118928/
17:26<Black_Prince>Does sensors command give any thermal output?
17:26<PeterNL>it says it can't find any sensors
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17:27<Black_Prince>Strange.
17:27<Black_Prince>Did you reboot after you finished detecting modules?
17:27<PeterNL>I tried, no difference
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17:29<Black_Prince>Strange
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17:30<PeterNL>...and I still don't know if I properly re-assembled the heatsink :D
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17:31<Black_Prince>Oh
17:31<PeterNL>oh?
17:31<Black_Prince>Sorry, I do not know what is your problem :|
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17:31<PeterNL>Does anyone else do?
17:31<PeterNL>or is everyone else sleeping?
17:32<Black_Prince>It is 23:32 ...
17:32<PeterNL>yep, smae timezone
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17:32<Black_Prince>Some are in bed, others don't know the answer
17:32<PeterNL>But in the us it's 14:32 ~ 17:32
17:33<PeterNL>so there must be someone who is awake and might be able to help, right?
17:33<amphi>siesta time...
17:33<PeterNL>no, that is in mexico :D
17:33<PeterNL>It's dinner time in Surinam (18:33)
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17:35<PeterNL>amphi: but you are awake. Please don't say you don't know as well...
17:36<amphi>awake? you exaggerate
17:36<PeterNL>not-sleeping then
17:36<amphi>I don't kbow as well
17:36<babilen>PeterNL: A lot of people are awake, but we might just not know (I for one have no idea what you are trying to accomplish) or might simply not know a solution.
17:36<amphi>*know
17:36<PeterNL>I am trying to use lm-sensors
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17:37<PeterNL>to monitor my cpu temps
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17:37<PeterNL>and my thermal requeres the w83627hf module wich won't load
17:37<PeterNL>FATAL: Error inserting w83627hf (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627hf.ko): Device or resource busy
17:37<PeterNL>that's the error
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17:39<amphi>google has not heard of such a problem?
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17:43<PeterNL>found something: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1353379
17:44<Black_Prince>PeterNL, have you found some solution?
17:44<PeterNL>maybe...
17:44*PeterNL is reading
17:45<Black_Prince>Looks like acpi problem ... As I said it looks like acpi thermal is somehow using that device
17:46<PeterNL>http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/FAQ/Chapter3#Mysensorshavestoppedworkinginkernel2.6.31
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17:50<lee-0>How do you change the font encoding for programs using the Athena widget set?
17:51<valdyn>!xresources
17:51<valdyn>!test
17:51<dpkg>Test failed.
17:51<lee-0>valdyn: I tried, with no effect.
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17:51<valdyn>lee-0: ~/.Xdefaults ?
17:52<PeterNL>rebooting, let's see if it works :)
17:52<PeterNL>it's working!
17:52<PeterNL>and my temps are fine. Now I can sleep properly :)
17:52<lee-0>valdyn: Hm, what would I put in there?
17:52<Black_Prince>PeterNL, congratulations
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17:54<PeterNL>thanks :)
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17:56<Nemoder>it appears that the horizontal scroll buttons aren't being picked up by the evdev mouse driver at all, I guess that would explain why I can't remap them
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17:56<Nemoder>they do trigger events in evtest though so I'm lost as to why they aren't working
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17:57<valdyn>lee-0: i have no idea where this is documented beside obviously the source code
17:57<valdyn>lee-0: heres an example though: http://dotfiles.org/~davidlee/.Xdefaults that sets the xaw scrollbars
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17:58<valdyn>lee-0: and that example too is just referring to the source code
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18:00<lee-0>valdyn: Thanks! This is surprisingly difficult ...
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18:09<Mike632T>I've probably missed something obvious but where did /usr/bin/net (previously in samba-common under lenny) go to in squeeze..?
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18:11<Black_Prince>maybe /usr/bin/net3 ...
18:13<Mike632T>No net3 listed on samba or samba-common contents - separate package now?
18:13<babilen>,file /usr/bin/net3
18:13<Black_Prince>judd file bin/net
18:13<judd>No packages were found with that file.
18:13<babilen>,file /usr/bin/net
18:13<judd>No packages were found with that file.
18:13<judd>No packages were found with that file.
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18:14<Arrowmaster>,file /usr/bin/net.samba3
18:14<judd>/usr/bin/net.samba3 in squeeze/i386: samba-common-bin: usr/bin/net.samba3
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18:15<babilen>Arrowmaster++
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18:17<Black_Prince>Arrowmaster=1; for (Arrowmaster <= 100){ echo "Cheers"; Arrowmaster++; }
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18:22<lee-0>valdyn: FYI, I´ve added XtSetLanguageProc( (XtAppContext)NULL, (XtLanguageProc)NULL, NULL); to my application, which does change to the default locale. Unfortunately, the characters I need this for aren´t displayed correctly within the Athena widget, so I´ll need to do further research ...
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18:23<Mike632T>Arrowmaster: Thanks - I found /usr/bin/net.samba3 in samba-common-bin should do what it says on the tin now
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19:54<lee-0>How do you get your .Xresources loaded when starting kde?
19:55<lee-0>That is, starting kde via kdm.
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20:03<llunved>hey :)
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20:03<llunved>I've just build git from source and built a deb package out of it with "dpkg-buildpackage -i.pc " but it installs to /home/$user/libexec.. any idea why?
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20:07<SynrG>inappropriate for this channel. see #debian-mentors
20:07<SynrG>oh, hmm
20:07<sney>prefix must be set wrong
20:08<SynrG>the packaging is someone else's, not yours, i guess
20:08<SynrG>and yes, see sney's answer :)
20:08<SynrG>(#debian-mentors would be for questions about learning how to package ... this doesn't really fit)
20:08<llunved>SynrG: I've downloaded a tarball, ./configure, then edit debian/control, dpkg-buildpackage -i.pc that's all I did
20:09<llunved>thank you SynrG :)
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20:09<sney>./configure --prefix=/usr (or /usr/local) would fix your install path most likely.
20:10<sney>see ./configure --help for more
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20:14<qwert>-msg dpkg squeeze
20:14<qwert>-msg dpkg squeezy
20:14<sney>/msg
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20:15<qwert>sney, yeah, thx
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20:36<aussa>hi, how do I set the time for the screen to go black after being inactive, it is set to 10 minutes and every time I am watching a movie it goes black every 10 min
20:36<abrotman>what's your WM?
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20:38<aussa>xfce?
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20:44<aussa>abrotman: xfce
20:45<abrotman>did you look at xset?
20:45<abrotman>!dpms
20:45<dpkg>VESA Display Power Management Signaling (DPMS) is a graphics card power management standard. The DPMS <xorg> extension is enabled by default. It can be adjusted via 'xset dpms $standby-sec $suspend-sec $off-sec' or within <xorg.conf>.
20:45<MrFrood>aussa: try xset dpms xxxx xxxx xxxx in your .xinitrc/.xsession where xxxx is a time in seconds
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21:05<Petey>hi
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21:06<AngelicBreeze>hey
21:06<joeg>hi
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21:06<Petey>how's it going
21:07<joeg>pretty good
21:07<AngelicBreeze>not bad at my end. at ur end?
21:07<joeg>how are you?
21:07<Petey>not bad
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21:07<joeg>do you like debian?
21:07<Petey>first time trying it
21:08<joeg>it's better than red hat
21:08<joeg>it feels more flexible
21:08<joeg>and more interesting
21:08<joeg>to me anyway
21:08<Petey>nice
21:08<Petey>I'm still learning Linux
21:09<joeg>i am too actually
21:09<joeg>i don;t really know all of the commands fluently
21:09<joeg>netstat is a good one
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21:10<Petey>cool
21:10<joeg>linux seems to run my hardware better than windows does
21:10<Petey>AngelicBreeze how's the weather
21:11<Petey>I hear you joeg
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21:11<AngelicBreeze>im currently running ubuntu but also have windows 7 on my machine
21:11<Petey>I tried the duel boot and barely logged in windows
21:12<joeg>i have the grub boot loader
21:12<joeg>in my mbr
21:12<Petey>I've never tried 7
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21:12<AngelicBreeze>Petey: it's nice. rained a bit earlier so it's cool in a tropical zone sorta way.
21:12<joeg>i don't think 7 would run on my hardware
21:13<Petey>it came with xp and I patitioned ubuntu
21:13<AngelicBreeze>joeg: why not?
21:13<joeg>i think 7 would need more system resources than i have
21:13<Petey>suppose to rain here wednesday
21:13<joeg>my laptop is from 2005
21:14<AngelicBreeze>Petey: my lapop came with windows 7. i like how they've made things more easier to find
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21:14<rjsalts>I don't see why people hate vista so much, yet think windows 7 is okay
21:14<joeg>i'm curious about the new chrome books
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21:14<Petey>I've heard from ppl that have tried 7 that's good
21:15<AngelicBreeze>yup i preferred it to vista
21:15<rjsalts>I've run both, they both seemed ok
21:15<Petey>I'm sick of windows
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21:16<abrotman>!ot
21:16<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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21:16<Petey>I had a problem and wiped it and just installed xubuntu
21:16<joeg>i have xubuntu on one of my partitions
21:17<joeg>but my desktop manager won't allow me to drag and reposition files on my dekstop
21:17<joeg>so i can't really organize my desktop
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21:17<abrotman>this is #debian ..
21:18<Petey>my desktop died so now I have a netbook
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21:22<Petey>the only reason I left windows on at first was to use voice chat on yahoo messenger
21:24<Petey>how can there be 461 users in here at once?
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21:27<bones_was_here>Petey: there's no hard limit on how many users can join an irc channel, though for a particular network or channel the administrator might choose to set limits
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21:28<Petey>I would think it would be very confusing if half of the users started to talk
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21:35<Petey>So AngelicBreeze do you use xchat often?
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21:36<AngelicBreeze>Petey: nope, first time. you?
21:36<Petey>first time as well
21:37<AngelicBreeze>Petey: :)
21:37<AngelicBreeze>not my first time on a irc though :) Petey
21:38<Petey>oh it's a first time for me
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21:39<Petey>doesn't seem like many ppl use it to chat
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21:46<AngelicBreeze>Petey: nope it is more for information sharing under the hashed topic
21:47<Petey>oh so where should I look for a chat
21:49<dvs>Petey: #debian-offtopic is for chatting about anything else.
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22:33<billy>#join ubuntu
22:33<billy>#commands
22:33<billy>?commands
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22:34<billy>IDENTIFY
22:34<Nemoder>!irc tutorial
22:34<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
22:35<billy>thank you its a !
22:35<billy>!IDENTIFY
22:35<billy>nope im just very rusty
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22:36<billy>is this the room for the newest ubuntu
22:36<Nemoder>!ubuntu
22:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:36<abrotman>not even close
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22:38<billy>cheers ive got the commands now
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23:20<mercutio22>I am not finding pygtk package with 'aptitude search pygtk'. Is there a package for pygtk in debian?
23:21<th>python-gtk2 ?
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23:41<jspiros>I'm trying to install wheezy on LVM on mdadm RAID1 on GPT
23:41<jspiros>Well, grub, that is
23:42<jspiros>I'm in the installer, the base system has been installed, but GRUB will not install
23:42<jspiros>The installer's GRUB installer just fails
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23:43<jspiros>when I try update-grub in the /target chroot, I get "grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/mapper/my-boot"
23:43<jspiros>I have /boot on my-boot LV, and / on my-root LV
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