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01:30<Yossarian>hi everyone
01:30<Yossarian>i'm having a bit of a problem
01:30<Yossarian>my laptop isn't resuming properly from sleep in debian squeeze
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01:31<Yossarian>when i resume, i get a black screen and i can get the system back only if i press ctrl+alt+f7
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01:31<CcSsNET>laptop have function key controlls for sleep settings?
01:32<CcSsNET>random, probably not helpfull
01:32<Yossarian>i don't really get the question
01:32<CcSsNET>Fn key
01:32<Yossarian>if it has fn key for sleep? yes
01:32<CcSsNET>laptops tend to have it. and some special keys for sleep, hibernate, and other stuff
01:33<CcSsNET>just an idea
01:33<Yossarian>i have just sleep
01:33<CcSsNET>idk if helpfull
01:33<CcSsNET>got to go good luck
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01:40<Yossarian>can anyone else help me out here?
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01:40<Yossarian>when resuming from sleep, i get just a black screen and i have to press ctrl+alt+f7 to get my system back
01:42<rjsalts>Yossarian: so you're not on vt7?
01:42<Yossarian>i am
01:42<Yossarian>but if i go to sleep and resume, i get just a black screen until i switch back to vt7
01:42<rjsalts>Yossarian: and other key combos don't work?
01:42<Yossarian>such as?
01:43<rjsalts>Yossarian: anything that doesn't switch vt
01:43<jm_>which method do you use for suspend?
01:43<Yossarian>jm_, not really sure
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01:44<Yossarian>rjsalts, i don't think so, only switching vt will get it back
01:45<Yossarian>a wild question, maybe it's resuming from sleep to a wrong vt? if so, is there any way i can modify it?
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01:46<Yossarian>an ideas?
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01:57<Baourban>hello, if anyone is available, i require assistance
01:57<th>have you ever used previous version of debian in that laptop and does the suspend works as you expect?
01:57<th>i mean debian lenny
01:58<Baourban>th: e!Falcon?
01:58<gsimmons>Baourban: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
01:58<th>oops. i was talking to Yossarian
01:59<Baourban>i have horrible screen tearing
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02:00<Baourban>when moving a window or scrolling up and down on a web page, it tears like crazy and is really slow
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02:01<th>do you use vesa video driver?
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02:01<th>*question for Baourban
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02:02<Baourban>th: i installed the ati drivers from their site
02:02<Baourban>i have a HD 5770
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02:03<th>this one: ATI Catalyst™ Proprietary Display Driver ?
02:04<Baourban>th: yes
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02:04<falala>didn't the open source drivers work for you?
02:05<Baourban>well apparantly they did
02:05<Baourban>i would like to go back now :|
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02:07<th>Baourban, the driver you use is not part of debian. it would be the best to seek help from AMD
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02:08<Baourban>well, whatever i was using before, isn't there a way i can uninstall the ati and go back to whatever was installed by default?
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02:08<jm_>you should read the documentation they provide for that too
02:08<jm_>since you opted to use their installer instead of doing it the debian way
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02:09<olspookishmagus>goodmorning, everyone - could someone please tell me how to install grub to an HDD's MBR? (I guess this is what I want to stop having to enter the root, linux, initrd commands to a grub prompt before booting)
02:09<jm_>olspookishmagus: so you already get grub's prompt when your system boots?
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02:10<olspookishmagus>yes, and not the nice grub graphical (curses(?)) loader
02:10<Baourban>ugh w/e im uninstalling and putting some other distro on here... DBAN here i come!
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02:11<olspookishmagus>so it could be that is already installed to the HDD's MBR but it won't give me the familiar options
02:11<jm_>well you could try reinstalling grub, but it sounds like it's already there, just not finding its config file
02:11<olspookishmagus>jm_: how do I do what you propose?
02:11<jm_>olspookishmagus: /usr/sbin/grub-install ...
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02:12<olspookishmagus>jm_: Installation finished. No errors reported.
02:13<olspookishmagus>jm_: trial and error only?
02:13<jm_>olspookishmagus: which version of grub is it?
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02:13<olspookishmagus>jm_: 2 I guess
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02:13<jm_>olspookishmagus: and you also have a valid /boot/grub/grub.cfg file?
02:14<olspookishmagus>/dev/sda1 is the /boot partition the root partition is one of the LV's in /dev/sda5
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02:16<jm_>how did you run grub-install?
02:17<olspookishmagus>jm_: and there is a /boot/grub/grub.cfg in there - so what else could be the reason I am not presented with it's effect?
02:17<olspookishmagus>jm_: grub-install /dev/sda
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02:18<jm_>olspookishmagus: looks fine to me - with grub 1 there was a known problem with some buggy BIOS-es where one had to use the 'f' option with its setup command when installing it
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02:18<olspookishmagus>jm_: ok I'll reboot and see if it did anything
02:18<th>uh, installing Linux with make install?
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02:21<jm_>wait, he has separate /boot so needs to use --root-directory
02:21<jm_>i missed this earlier
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02:22<olspookishmagus>jm_: like a glove!
02:22<jm_>olspookishmagus: are you saying it works?
02:22<olspookishmagus>jm_: like a charm!
02:23<jm_>olspookishmagus: interesting, while you were gone I said "<jm_> wait, he has separate /boot so needs to use --root-directory", so obviously grub 2 is smarter and can figure this out on its own
02:24<jm_>with grub 1 one always had to specify --root-directory in such cases
02:25<olspookishmagus>now I'm gonna have some adrenaline rushes playing with dd and various *valuable* partition data
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02:26<olspookishmagus>good morning once more, and thanks for the help
02:26<jm_>heh one option that helps is to do this with grml which can make block devies read-only, so you need to run blockdev --setrw manually to enable writing
02:26<jm_>no worries
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02:45<lopippo>Greetings, I am having some trouble making dhelp work. On the weekly anacron job, I get error messages such as those in Any ideas ?
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03:03<roelof>Hello, In debian wheezy I get a wierd update error message
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03:04<roelof>Can anyone help me wit this ?
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03:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
03:09<roelof>oke, When I try to install updates on wheezy I see this message :
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03:10<roelof>I try to translate them in English
03:10<roelof>repair software updates and ... safetly problems
03:10<devil>roelof: no need to translate. run the command like LANG=C apt-get .....
03:10<devil>that will give EN output
03:11<devil>whis is better than your translation
03:11<th>hmm... looks like a unique error number is a good thing
03:11<roelof>With apt-get no error mesage. I see it when I use the update-applet
03:12<devil>roelof: try apt-get and see if its there
03:12<devil>so we can rule out a stupid applet
03:13*devil has his own applets. they ar called aliases
03:13<roelof>I did. On apt-get update no error messages. Only a message that 3 packages are kept back
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03:14<devil>from what i understand from 'repair software updates and ... safetly problems' its no error but a notification that you have updates for packages and some security related upgrades
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03:14<devil>but without the original wording its hard to say
03:15<roelof>oke, but the applet keeps saying that there a 5 updates
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03:15<devil>and apt sees none after running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
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03:16<devil>or dist-upgrade (whatever you use)
03:16<roelof>nope, only 3 packages which are kept back
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03:16<roelof>I use apt-get update
03:16<devil>update just updates the lists
03:16<jm_>does apt-cache policy for the held back packages indicate possible updates?
03:17<devil>you need to run either upgrade or dist-upgrade to actualy install new packages
03:17<roelof>Sorry, ik mean upgrade
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03:17<roelof>and then I see these messages at the end :
03:17<roelof>The following packages have been kept back:
03:17<roelof> fuse-utils libfuse2 ntfs-3g
03:17<roelof>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
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03:18<roelof>I apolize
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03:20<roelof>when I do apt-get update I see these mesages :
03:20<devil>do you update befor upgrade?
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03:21<jm_>so that's why your applet probably reports it, try running apt-get install ntfs-3g fuse-utils, but be careful before saying Y
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03:21<devil>ntfs-3g should work again in wheezy, not sure on the fuse stuff, its ok in sid
03:22<roelof>it's running now
03:23<roelof>and the applet disappeared
03:24<roelof>thanks, everything looks to work well now
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03:24<jm_>no worries
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03:27<devil>roelof: how many packages were actualy installed, 3 or 5?
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03:29<roelof>there were 2 new packages and 3 did get a new version
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03:31<jm_>makes sense
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03:38<devil>roelof: ok, sounds all good.
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03:39<roelof>oke, then Im happy
03:39<roelof>thanks for the help and the patience
03:39<devil>roelof: you were an easy 'customer' :)
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03:45<roelof>better a easy customer then a hard one
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04:09<EmleyMoor>How, in GNOME, do I set my default DVD player?
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04:23<rpetre>anybody here knows whether d-i is able to use ipv6 out-of-the-box? last time i checked it wanted v4
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04:28<SorryGuest>I'm trying to download a folder with wget, but all I get is an index.html file. What am I doing wrong?
04:28<wintellect>what's the command you're issuing?
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04:29<SorryGuest>wget -r
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04:30<SorryGuest>it does create a folder tree (, .../debian, .../dists, .../squeeze), but in the final folder it just creates the index.html file.
04:30<jm_>try using --mirror
04:30<jm_>but think twice before doing this with a debian mirror
04:31<wintellect>SorryGuest: am on ubuntu, but that command works for me. It started downloading the files
04:31<wintellect>SorryGuest: also, what does the index.html file say in it?
04:31<SorryGuest>wintellect: check the files you downloaded, it should mostly contain the index.html
04:32<SorryGuest>nope.. just downloads the index.html file
04:32<wintellect>no, I get the contents of the ftp directory
04:32<wintellect>ChangeLog, Contents-amd64.gz, ...
04:33<wintellect>what does index.html say in it SorryGuest ?
04:33<SorryGuest>it shows this:
04:33<SorryGuest>though if I try to wget a specific file, it works
04:34<SorryGuest>(say wget
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04:37<urbanfbi>is a repository for debian squeeze available, that contains a package for dropbox?
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04:42<dpkg>Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see Debian bug #610257). The open source <Nautilus> plug-in is not currently packaged, <RFP> filed in Debian bug #544499.
04:42<themill>urbanfbi: none that I know of
04:44<wintellect>"is a mess of copyright violations" <-- seems biased :P
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04:46<themill>wintellect: well.. it is true.
04:47<wintellect>never said it wasn't - just the way it's written is what interested me :)
04:49<topyli>anyway, the nautilus plugin builds nicely and downloads the mess of copyright violations as you run it, so it's not a big problem, urbanfbi
04:50<wintellect>themill: which copyrights does it violate OOC?
04:50<topyli>but no i didn't find a repository or a separate package anywhere
04:50<themill>wintellect: many -- check that bug report.
04:51<topyli>looks like it's put together from incompatible components
04:51<urbanfbi>topyli: thanks for info. I'll try that
04:51<wintellect>themill: ok, will do
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04:54<wintellect>themill: wow, the Dropbox devs clearly don't care about what they do with code they find
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04:55<themill>they say that they have since released a fixed version; whether this is truly fixed or not I don't know. Certainly, no-one appears to have volunteered to step-up to maintain the package.
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04:55<wintellect>i see
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05:03<SorryGuest>is there a ftp tool like similar to wget
05:04<mjt>wget understands ftp
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05:05<SorryGuest>then I don't understand what's wrong with it
05:06<bzed>SorryGuest: we can't help you if you don't tell more about what you want to do and which error you get. probably just put your terminal output into a ppatebin...
05:07<urbanfbi>topyli: I found that link on the internet:
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05:07<topyli>themill: i found pretty adequate license info in ~/.dropbox-dist/README
05:08<topyli>i'm not how discoverable that is, or how discoverable the MIT license requires
05:08<SorryGuest>to run live helper offline, I'm trying to download/mirror the .../debian/dists/squeeze folder to my computer.
05:08<topyli>not sure*
05:08<topyli>urbanfbi: there you go :)
05:08<SorryGuest>for that I just ran wget .../squeeze, and all it gives is the index file
05:08<jm_>you're running wget so it uses HTTP protocol, not FTP
05:09<SorryGuest>jm_: and?
05:09<jm_>SorryGuest: and what?
05:09<bzed>SorryGuest: are you sure the squeeze folder is what you want to have?
05:09<bzed>SorryGuest: there is not much interesting stuff in there
05:09<bzed>SorryGuest: but as a hint: you could read the wget manpage to figure out how to retrieve files recursively
05:10<themill>topyli: I can't find that file in any download that's available on
05:10<jm_>SorryGuest: are you even aware that packages reside in the pool dir?
05:10<bzed>SorryGuest: (which is probably still not what you want..., but would give you the content of that folder)
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05:11<topyli>themill: it comes with the daemon, which is downloaded at first run
05:11<themill>topyli: that is entirely unacceptable for a debian package
05:11<SorryGuest>bzed: there's the Release file and some other specific files required by live helper, I started copying them one by one but it's much easier to download the entire folder
05:12<SorryGuest>I checked the man page, I tried -r and -mirror, still the same result
05:12<SorryGuest>jm_: I don't follow?
05:12<topyli>themill: i'm pretty sure it is. at least it should be displayed during installation, with an option to abort the install
05:12<jm_>SorryGuest: nevermind, you'll get to that part soon
05:12<babilen>SorryGuest: Do you also need the packages?
05:13<SorryGuest>I used the debian official DVDs to install Live Helper and all the other packages I need
05:13<babilen>SorryGuest: I meant: Are you trying to create a local repository?
05:14<SorryGuest>sort of, I'm trying to provide a local offline copy of all the files required to Live-Helper
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05:14<SorryGuest>required by*
05:16<SorryGuest>root/~: lh build
05:16<SorryGuest>E: Couldn't download dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages
05:17<babilen>!tell SorryGuest -about own repo
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05:18<babilen>SorryGuest: Maybe "dpkg-scanpackages" as used in the factoid is what you are after? Or tools such as reprepro or debmirror? Sorry, I haven't played with live-helper yet, so I am guessing. #debian-live might have more experience too.
05:18<SorryGuest>wayy much an overkill
05:19<jm_>worked fine for me using a debian mirror
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05:19<babilen>SorryGuest: dpkg-scanpackages is overkill? How?
05:19<jm_>but haven't tried creating a local repo for it
05:20<SorryGuest>Live-Helper just looks for individual files on the internet. it has some default route set in, I don'
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05:20<SorryGuest>I don't want to mirror the entire repository
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05:20<SorryGuest>also, the #debian-live people just assume I have internet at the computer I want to make a live-cd out of
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05:21<babilen>SorryGuest: And dpkg-scanpackages is not doing what you want?
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05:23<SorryGuest>ugh.. that's beyond my knowledge... checking dpkg-scanpacakges
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05:24<SorryGuest>I still think it's an overkill, I want to download an ftp/http directory, I don't care it's about repositories or anything
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05:26<babilen>SorryGuest: I have the impression that what you are actually trying to do is to generate a Packages.gz file for a bunch of packages
05:26<babilen>SorryGuest: Which is exactly what dpkg-scanpackages does
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05:27<SorryGuest>that might be the end point, but it will work if I just get the content of that folder to /var/www
05:28<SorryGuest>it can't be *that* hard to do that !
05:29<SorryGuest>(this is because Live-Helper is stupid and can't get a file-path as mirror source, only url)
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05:30<dba>SorryGuest: s/live-helper/debootstrap/
05:30<babilen>SorryGuest: Have you read the "own repo" factoid? Wouldn't that work with your local repository?
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05:30<dba>SorryGuest: i'm sure debootstrap maintainer do welcome your patches to make it work with file://
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05:31<babilen>dba: It doesn't? (honest question)
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05:31<dba>babilen: no, it doesn't.
05:31<babilen>Ok, bummer.
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05:33<SorryGuest>dba SorryGuest: s/live-helper/debootstrap/ uh?
05:34<babilen>SorryGuest: That means 'replace "live-helper" with "debootstrap"' as the/your problem is not actually live-helper but debootstrap.
05:34<SorryGuest>I'll try a url with file://, that *might* work.
05:34<babilen>SorryGuest: Why don't you just generate the Packages.gz file and try that?
05:34<SorryGuest>o, sed terminology
05:35<SorryGuest>babilen: I don't understand where the Package.gz fits in there
05:35<SorryGuest>but I'll check the debootstrap thingy
05:35<babilen>SorryGuest: "E: Couldn't download dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages" ← isn't that the error you are trying to fix?
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05:48<topyli>urbanfbi: themill: speak of the devil!
05:48<themill>yeah, I was just reading that right now on planet debian, actually
05:48<topyli>i swear they must be lurking here
05:50<themill>The author isn't in this channel, but this is a topic that has come up a few times.
05:51<topyli>yes well dropbox is popular, whatever its problems
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07:16<Yossarian>hi guys
07:16<Yossarian>i have a problem in squeeze with suspend
07:16<Yossarian>seems to be this one:
07:16<Yossarian>i have a 4200 as well in my laptop and i can't figure out how to solve this
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07:23<gnugr>Yossarian: is your prob driver for ATI Radeon?
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07:24<Yossarian>i have the latest fglrx installed
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07:25<Yossarian>i don't know if the problem is with the radeon driver
07:25<Yossarian>i get a blank screen on resume and i can get back to X with vt7
07:27<jm_>Yossarian: unfortunatelly for fglrx it's best to check if AMD has any resoruces to help with it
07:27<jm_>or maybe try on the fglrx channel
07:28<Zaba>Yossarian, that bug report is about the radeon driver, not fglrx
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07:29<Yossarian>i'm confused
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07:29<Zaba>Yossarian, radeon is the open source driver. Fglrx is the proprietary driver.
07:29<gnugr>Zaba: fglrx is driver for radeon chipset
07:29<Zaba>both are for the radeon chipset
07:29<Yossarian>i see
07:30<Yossarian>is either one recommended to use?
07:30<Zaba>use radeon if it works for your hardware
07:30<Zaba>and your needs
07:30<Zaba>otherwise, fall back to fglrx and pray
07:31<Yossarian>i had squeeze a month ago on the same PC and it worked fine
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07:31<Yossarian>now with a fresh install it does this
07:31<Yossarian>is there anything i can experiment with?
07:31<Zaba>Yossarian, well, first find out what driver you're using
07:32<Zaba>having fglrx installed is not enough for it to get used, you also need a xorg config file
07:32<Yossarian>dang, i don't have the PC handy
07:33<Yossarian>yes, i saw the xorg.conf file as well
07:34<Zaba>well, if using fglrx, you should make sure atieventsd is installed and running, otherwise it tends to break on suspend/resume
07:34<gnugr>Yossarian: you sure have non-free sources in sources.list?
07:34<Zaba>you could also try the radeon driver, hd4200 sounds like it might be supported pretty well
07:34<Yossarian>gnugr: yes
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07:35<Zaba>(if it's anything like the non-mobility version, I guess it's a r600)
07:35<Yossarian>Zaba: thanks, i'll try that as soon as i get home :)
07:37<gnugr>Yossarian: also" edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d "and check it out
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07:37<Yossarian>gnugr: is there anything specific i should be looking for?
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07:38<Zaba>fgrep -R fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.d}
07:38<gnugr>Yossarian: yes you can see "fglrx.conf"
07:38<Zaba>and see if it returns something like Driver "fglrx" without a leading #
07:38<Zaba>gnugr, for what it's worth, aticonfig might generate a plain xorg.conf
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07:39<mjt>fglrx will be autoloaded even without xorg.conf
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07:40<gnugr>Zaba: well, might a " dmesg | more " can show troubles
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07:41<Yossarian>i'll do all that and get back here in a bit
07:41<Yossarian>thanks a lot :)
07:41<DarkInspiration>should I just write my problem? :)
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07:42<Guest3588>Hi everyone, I am trying to get nvidia non-free drivers working. I have tried following the steps at '', however since I am not running the custom kernel, I need to download the headers, but it appears there are no headers. I am running the kernel '2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem'.
07:42<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: Yes
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07:43<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: And then just wait for a bit and if nobody answers, ask again
07:43<DarkInspiration>Guest3588 ok, thanks :)
07:43<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: Your welcome
07:44<jm_>Guest3588: is this not available§ion=all ?
07:45<DarkInspiration>I am renting a small VPS and installed Debian 5 to use it with lighttpd/fastcgi-php/mysql. I recently got 3 IPv6 addresses, and I have this problem: I can ping from and to my VPS via IPv6, but I can't access any IPv6 addresses from my VPS (ex: wget - permission denied), nor access my vps fro my pc (ex: wget -permission denied). Any suggestions?
07:45<Zaba>mjt, I don't think fglrx gets autoloaded
07:46<Zaba>unless the 'ati' driver can load it, which I also doubt
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07:47<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: What do you mean via IPv6?
07:47<DarkInspiration>Guest3176 ping6 (pinging from IPv6 interface)
07:47<Zaba>ati loads mach64, r128 or radeon accordingly. And fglrx at least used to segfault without an explicit BusID in the config anyway.
07:48<Guest3588>what command did you use?
07:48<mjt>Zaba: modern xserver will try drivers from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers matching PCI IDs of the hardware
07:48<petemc>DarkInspiration: its probably something to do with the virtualization rather than a debian problem
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07:48<jm_>Guest3588: right, so headers are available, but the package they depend on isn't; I think the solution was to grab it from debian testing
07:49<Guest3588>jm_:Is that a different repository?
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07:49<DarkInspiration>Guest3588: ping 6 works correctly, as well as traceroute (it auto-detects the AAAA record of the domain). the problem is in accessing the site/vps via an IPv6 interface
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07:50<jm_>Guest3588: yes
07:50<DarkInspiration>I've been searching around how to clear my iptables rules, just in case this causes a problem, but couldn't find anything...
07:51<jm_>Guest3588: enter that package name in the right box on and it shall find it for you
07:51<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: Try running man iptables in termina;
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07:52<gsimmons>mjt: fglrx isn't autoloaded. There's now a debconf notice in later fglrx-driver versions (>= 1:11-2-1) concerning this.
07:53<Guest3588>jm_:The dependancy is linux-kbuild-2.6.38, but it does not show anything when searched?
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07:54<Guest3588>DarkInspiratoin: Is that manual helping at all?
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07:56<DarkInspiration>Guest3588: if I understand correctly, I must supply "iptables -F"
07:56<jm_>Guest3588: sure it does
07:56<Guest3588>jm_:I am using squeeze
07:56<jm_>Guest3176: and the search results:§ion=all
07:57<jm_>Guest3588: yes, but see what I told you earlier
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07:58<Guest3588>jm_: about testing?
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07:58<jm_>Guest3588: yes
07:58<Guest3588>jm: Thanks
07:58<jm_>Guest3588: no worries
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07:58<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: Honestly I dont really know much about iptables so I do not want to confirm anything here
07:59<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: I really only know about as much of the manual as I am willing to read, but at the moment I have read almost none, sorry about that.
07:59<DarkInspiration>Guest3588: no worries :) I cleared the iptables rules, but there wasn't a problem with that
08:00<Guest3588>DarkInspiration: ok
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08:01<jm_>DarkInspiration: yes, -F, but note that default policy still matters
08:02<Guest3588>jm_: How do I know which architecture to download for? I downloaded the amd64 package but it says its the wrong architecture?
08:02<jm_>Guest3588: dpkg --print-architecture
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08:03<jm_>Guest3588: np
08:03<jm_>Guest3588: it wouldnh't make sense to have bigmem kernels with amd64 arch btw :)
08:03<Guest3588>jm_: Looks like apt-get is working now. Thanks
08:03<DarkInspiration>jm_: I know. But i've run into another problem, running "ip6tables -L":
08:04<Guest3588>jm: Why not?
08:04<jm_>Guest3588: because AMD64 kernel has no such limitations
08:04<jm_>DarkInspiration: well does your kernel provide ip6 related iptabels modules? are they loaded?
08:05<Guest3588>jm_:Ok, didnt know that. Thankyou for your help. Everything is running smoothely now.
08:05<jm_>Guest3588: enjoy
08:05<Guest3588>will do.
08:06<DarkInspiration>jm_: How can I check that? I'm a newbie in linux :/
08:06<jm_>DarkInspiration: are you using debian?
08:07<DarkInspiration>jm_: yes, Debian Lenny
08:07<DarkInspiration>but it's on OpenVZ, so it uses a central kernel with all the other VPSes
08:07<jm_>DarkInspiration: what does this say? ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/
08:07<DarkInspiration>jm_: ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.18-238.9.1.el5.028stab089.1/kernel/net/ipv6/: No such file or directory
08:07<DarkInspiration>so, no ip6tables? :S
08:08<jm_>DarkInspiration: it looks like your kernel lacks ipv6 support in general, do you have a config file for it in /boot? or maybe /proc/config*?
08:09<jm_>DarkInspiration: check here: /proc/net/protocols
08:10<Lantizia>Lo, the non-root user the installer makes puts the user in these groups... cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,video,plugdev
08:10<DarkInspiration>jm_: "/proc/net/protocols" not found, but in "/proc/net/" there are a lot of ipv4/ipv6 related stuff:
08:11<Lantizia>Is there a way to make more users using the same method without specifying all the groups?
08:11<Lantizia>or does the installer just run a very long hard coded useradd line?
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08:11<themill>Lantizia: there's ADD_EXTRA_GROUPS=1 in /etc/adduser.conf (no idea if that's what the installer uses)
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08:12<jm_>DarkInspiration: maybe it's all built-in (non-modular) then
08:12<Lantizia>themill, I would use adduser - only i need to specify the password
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08:13<DarkInspiration>jm_: that was my conclusion as well, but I said "Let's take a second opinion, from someone who knows beter". Thanks mate
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08:14<themill>Lantizia: last time we went around this block, people suggested that you used "adduser --disabled-password" followed by a call to passwd to change the passwd but you didn't want to do that.
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08:15<Lantizia>themill, I'm reviewing :P
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08:16<Lantizia>themill, ok well that sounds like an option - what would you use to (automated) change the password after?
08:16<Lantizia>passwd doesn't accept an encypted password as syntax is seems, only useradd does
08:16<jm_>Lantizia: chpasswd for example
08:20<Lantizia>themill, meh - it seems adduser doesn't take care of the groups either
08:20<Lantizia>this works well enough though... i'll stick with this.... useradd $susruser -p $(mkpasswd -s -m sha-512 -S $(tr -cd 'a-zA-Z0-9./' < /dev/urandom | head -c 8) $susrpass) -u 1000 -c ,,, -m -s /bin/bash -G cdrom,floppy,audio,dip,video,plugdev,sudo
08:20<Lantizia>a huge one liner for exactly how the default user is set up - including password :P
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08:21<Lantizia>except for adding it to group "sudo" i added that bit on :P
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08:28<dedeibel>oops? :)
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08:29<jm_>mayeb that was hoangtu2511904579 :)
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08:31<pasvla>hi, somebody could help me with a problem with xubuntu installation?
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08:32<babilen>!ubuntuirc pasvla
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08:32<dpkg>pasvla: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://
08:32<pasvla>thanks dpkg
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08:34<Aleric>What cable type do I need between two ethernet cards in PC's? UTP or STP? Both are listed as CAT6 and both have a RJ45 plug :/
08:34<mkzet>both are good
08:35<Aleric>err, I mean between ethernet card and switch
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08:35<mkzet>UTP if u use them for home network
08:35<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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08:35<Aleric>What is the difference with STP then?
08:36<Aleric>S = Shielded?
08:36<Aleric>If it's just the quality then I want STP ;)
08:37<mkzet>stp have an aluminium shield for protection
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08:37<Aleric> seems STP is just better :p
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08:39<mkzet>it is better, but is useless if u not buy some RJ45 with aluminium protection
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08:40<mkzet>google for shielded connectors
08:40<mkzet>or something like this
08:41<dedeibel>(I want shielding for my tv-out cable ... when I turn on my water cooker the TV picture is all noise and it is in on the oposite side of the room)
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08:42<sney>utp is generally fine for all applications (even relatively emi-heavy environments like datacenters), cheaper, and more flexible
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08:44<mkzet>you really need stp if u planing an outside long range (~200m) connection, if not go for utp
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08:51<SorryGuest>the hell? I don't have dpgk-scanpackages -.-
08:52<jm_>apt-file to the rescue
08:52<weasel>maybe if you spell it right..?
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08:53<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>.
08:54<ml|>or /msg dpkg apt-file ;)
08:55<SorryGuest>the hell with you people and your too many apt variants
08:55*SorryGuest has a nervous breakdone.
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08:56<babilen>!comfort SorryGuest
08:56<dpkg>There, there, SorryGuest. It's OK. I'm here for you.
08:57<Black_Prince>file bin/dpkg-scanpackages
08:57<Black_Prince>judd file bin/dpkg-scanpackages
08:57<judd>bin/dpkg-scanpackages in squeeze/i386: dpkg-dev: usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
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08:57<SorryGuest>!dpkg tell me you love me
08:58<SorryGuest>{dpkg} No, sorryguest, I won't. (target invalid?)
08:58<Black_Prince>SorryGuest, you are looking for dpkg-dev package :P
08:58<SorryGuest>I was working on it
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08:59<babilen>SorryGuest: Interesting -- I'd be happy to know if dpkg-scanpackages is helping you with your problem. (Assuming you are still working on it)
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08:59<SorryGuest>just that my dependencies got broken while trying to install an offline .deb
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09:00<sney>aptitude -f install can usually clean up that kind of mess
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09:00<SorryGuest>and babilen, I'm trying something else atm, I got completely lost in trying to make an entire offline repository and whatnot
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09:01<babilen>ok, let us know if you need help with anything.
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09:06<SorryGuest>o, apt-get -f install did what I thought apt-get -f alone would do
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09:06<SorryGuest>well, at least I don't need apt-scanpackages (yet..)
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09:46<dedeibel>is there a way to install python-pyopencl with the poprietary nvidia drivers?
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10:01<varx>Hey all, I'm trying to make a .deb package with CPack. I'm successfully making the package, but installation doesn't complete and I'm not sure what the errors mean. Can anyone take a look at the package for me?
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10:03<dedeibel>gnugr: yeah, but it wants to install "nvidia-installer-cleanup" which removes the proprietary driver - is there maybe a stub package or like that instead?
10:04<gnugr>dedeibel: did you see all packages there?
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10:05<dedeibel>there is an alternative for "libnvidia-compiler" do you mean that?
10:06<gnugr>dedeibel: what version you have
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10:06<dedeibel>gnugr: debian wheezy, libnvidia-compiler none
10:07<gnugr>debeibel: are you with testing?
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10:09<gnugr>ok tho cos those packages go with sid debs
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10:10<dedeibel>I installed the nvidia drivers manually using the sh installers. Is there a contrib package I should use?
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10:11<gnugr>!tell dedeibel -about contrib
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10:15<dedeibel>gnugr: well, it also has the current version - I added contrib before but never guessed the latest drivers would be in the repo. Thanks for the help, I'll try using those. :)
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10:17<varx>So here's a more specific question... I made a .deb package with CPack, and when I try to install it, it seems that it doesn't make the folders for the data files before trying to extract the files, i.e. /usr/lib/foo isn't created before it tries to write /usr/lib/foo/ What's the problem?
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10:21<shane_>Hi, I am trying to install nvidia non-free drivers, using the command 'm-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source', however it errors. It tells me there is a log, which I will pastebin, but I dont know where it is?
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10:22<daemonkeeper>You should see a show log button in the curses menu. Note there is a DKMS module as well, which eases your life
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10:22<babilen>Try "m-a a-i nvidia" -- but I would actually recommend to install the dkms package.
10:23<babilen>!nvidia dkms
10:23<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>.
10:23<shane_>daemonkeeper: Is curses the text/interface-like thing I am encountering in terminal?
10:24<shane_>Does it not write to a file?
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10:25<shane_>babilen: I have already gone through the tedious task of installing the linux headers for my kernel.
10:25<daemonkeeper>It does as far as I remember. As babilen and I sad, you better use the DKMS module
10:25<daemonkeeper>The crucial part is to install the package nvidia-kernel-dkms, instead of nvidia-kernel-source
10:25<shane_>babilen: I think I am currently using nouveau, but I need the non-free drivers
10:25<shane_>what is the dkms module?
10:27<daemonkeeper>DKMS is a technique rather than a particular module. It eases module installation a lot. Try it, no need to mess-up with m-a :)
10:27<dpkg>Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS) is a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . The module build log file can be found at /var/lib/dkms/$module/$version/build/make.log
10:28<babilen>shane_: Read what dpkg just said, given that you've installed the headers already you can just run "aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" now and configure it with: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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10:29<shane_>so after I install it, I run mkdir /etc/X11...?
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10:29<shane_>and that will automatically configure it?
10:29<daemonkeeper>You have /etc/X11 already
10:29<gnugr>varx: read this and see if its the right way " "
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10:30<damian_>Hello can someone help me please ?
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10:30<shane_>I meant do I run ' mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf' and that will automatically configure it?
10:30<daemonkeeper>This is the configuration
10:30<shane_>damian: You need to specify your problem
10:30<damian_>how do i install wireless network drivers
10:30<shane_>daemonkeeper: But that will then configure it automatically, or do I need to modify anything myself?
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10:31<daemonkeeper>Well, it loads the driver at least. That's the most essential step. You can, but you don't have to tweak some driver settings
10:31<shane_>ok, so I ran it without making the directory because it said it was already created. Should it now be finished?
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10:32<varx>gnugr, I looked at that before, and it seems like I should be using CPack since this source package uses CMake... or maybe I'm missing something?
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10:32<damian_>i did load up add- drivers but it dint come up with anythink
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10:32<daemonkeeper>shane_: If you actually installed the dkms module and you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf you can reboot your X server
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10:33<shane_>daemonkeeper: How do I reboot it?
10:33<damian_>i found it lol ! tryed it befor i put the network cabble in .... lol
10:35<daemonkeeper>I'm not sure about your display manager. You most likely use gdm which I don't. Try to logout and select "Restart X server" if available. If you prefer, you can reboot your system as well or do "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" from a tty terminal. Finally maybe someone actually is using gdm and can tell you how.
10:35<shane_>gdm, yes.
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10:35<daemonkeeper>(and I really miss ctrl+alt+backspace)
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10:36<sney>isn't there a sysrq keystroke that replaced it
10:36<shane_>Earlier I came across a command, something like 'sudo init 1' then 'sudo init 2'. Does this work?
10:36<sney>alt-sysrq-k or osmething
10:36<sney>shane_: that will change the runlevel, yes
10:36<dpkg>In Lenny, disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by placing Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5) or ask me about <xorg config lenny>. In Squeeze, zapping is disabled by default. "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server; setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
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10:37<babilen>daemonkeeper: You can re-enable it -- "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" in /etc/default/keyboard for XKBOPTIONS -- run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"
10:38<gnugr>varx: when you unziped was like .deb?
10:38<daemonkeeper>Well, I know. But this won't help if I want to instruct others to restart the X server :)
10:38<babilen>*sigh* /me goes back to dpkg auto mode
10:38<daemonkeeper>(and I have no clue about gdm)
10:38<babilen>daemonkeeper: indeed, it is a stupid new default
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10:38<varx>gnugr, can you rephrase that?
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10:39<gnugr>varx: how it looks unziped?
10:39<varx>The .deb that CPack made?
10:39<shane_>If I knock it into command line, then type 'sudo init 1' then 'sudo init 2', would that restart my X server when I exit command line?
10:39<varx>It makes a .deb and dpkg goes ahead and tries to install it
10:40<babilen>shane_: You can just reboot your box which is probably the easiest thing to achieve that.
10:40<shane_>ok thanks
10:40<daemonkeeper>shane_: basically yes, but you would kill your terminal where you issued that command. You would have to do that from a tty
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10:41<dpkg>it has been said that tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator.
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10:41<daemonkeeper>That's a poor factoid.
10:41<shane_>No, not the terminal emulator, I meant from actual terminal? (ctrl+alt+1)
10:42<sandra>Hi everyone
10:42<daemonkeeper>Yes, from ctrl+alt+f1 you can do that. But /etc/init.d/gdm restart from there does the same job
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10:42<shane_>daemonkeeper: It kept telling me there is no directory called /etc/init.d/gdm
10:42<gnugr>varx: did you try " dpkg -i package.deb "?
10:42<daemonkeeper>That's a command, not a directory
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10:43<shane_>yes i got that, but it thinks its a directory.
10:43<sandra>Hi everyone
10:43<shane_>hang on, no file or directory, just tested it
10:43<varx>gnugr, Yeah. It starts out fine, but then runs into problems when trying to copy files. It seems it "forgets" to make the directories first before copying the files.
10:43<daemonkeeper>ehm, gdm3 perhaps
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10:44<daemonkeeper>... well, that worked apparently :D
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10:47<damian_>sorted :)
10:47<gnugr>varx: can you please pastebin output with trying?
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10:48<damian_>anyone know how to install google chrome ?
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10:51<smb>damian_: sudo aptitude install chromium?
10:52<damian_>sudo apt-get install chromium ?
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10:52<damian_>oh , nt the right command ...
10:52<oddball42>good morning all
10:53<babilen>damian_: "aptitude install chromium-browser" will install chromium
10:53<smb>either will work
10:53<babilen>oddball42: welcome
10:53<babilen>,info chromium
10:53<judd>Package chromium (games, extra) in squeeze/i386: transitional dummy package for chromium-bsu. Version:; Size: 17.7k; Installed: 48k; Homepage:
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10:53<oddball42>i have somewhat a problem and was wondering if there is a way to fix it
10:53<smb>ah, chromium-browser, sorry
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10:54<oddball42>i have an encrypted lvm2 with /boot on a usb drive and lost the drive
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10:54<babilen>oddball42: "lost" ?
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10:54<nyov>oddball42: boot it from another /boot
10:55<nyov>oddball42: hopefully you remember the passphrase(s) for the volume tho, and didn't use keyfiles
10:55<oddball42>i can mount it with bt5 but i was wondering if i can make another /boot partition
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10:56<nyov>oddball42: sure, just make another boot partition somewhere, and run grub-install (or was that grub-setup)
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10:57<nyov>oddball42: but you need to chroot into your real system /root from the rescuesystem or livecd first
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10:58<oddball42>like when i made an encrypted lvm2 on my usb for backtrack5
10:58<nyov>make that "/" not /root
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10:58<babilen>oddball42: What does this have to do with backtrack?
10:59<oddball42>nothing except it seems to be somewhat the same way i had to make the encrypted lvm2 on my usb
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11:01<oddball42>thanks you guys i was just wondering if it was possible cause i would've hated to dd my /home to my external
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11:02<shane>daemonkeeper: It was gdm3 instead of gdm
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11:02<Guest3618>babilen: writing xorg.conf.d and xorg.conf completely obliterated the X server
11:02<oddball42>have a wonderful day people
11:03<Guest3618>I ended up booting into recovery mode and figuring out how to rename the files D:
11:03<Guest3618>but now I have X server up and running again.
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11:03<babilen>Guest3618: I never said anything about a xorg.conf -- what do you have in there? Can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
11:03<Guest3618><babilen> shane_: Read what dpkg just said, given that you've installed the headers already you can just run "aptitude -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" now and configure it with: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
11:04<Guest3618>that is what you said before. Sorry I meant 20-nvidia.conf not xorg.conf
11:04<babilen>Guest3618: Yes, that is about /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf not /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:04<jordanm>nvidia-xconf is a bit easier
11:04<Guest3618>Sorry I meant 20-nvidia.conf not xorg.conf :P
11:05<babilen>ok, can you show us the log found in (probably) /var/log/Xorg.0.log{,.old} please (two logs)
11:05<nyov>oddball42: what was that about encrypted lvm on usb? i thought your root was encrypted, not the boot?
11:06<oddball42>that is another os install sorry to confuse you
11:07<nyov>ok alright
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11:07<nyov>oddball42: so you know the steps to go now?
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11:07<babilen>Guest3618: Please use in the future -- I'm not in the mood to enter captchas all the time
11:07<oddball42>see my laptop had the /boot on a usb drive and the /, /home, /root were encrypted and i have a 16gb usb that has an encrypted lvm with bt5
11:08<oddball42>sorta i can figure it out thats what i love to do
11:08<babilen>Guest3618: And the other log?
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11:08<oddball42>i just wanted to know if it was possible
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11:09<babilen>I see that you are running a backported kernel -- the nvidia installation succeeded didn't it?
11:09<Guest3618>babilen: Yes I am and yes
11:09<babilen>Guest3618: I am more or less interested in the log you get when you try to start with the nvidia driver.
11:10<Guest3618>I am not sure if it is actually starting with the nvidia driver
11:10<nyov>oddball42: you could use that bt to mount your cryptoroot, then chroot there, partition a new usb, make a filesystem on it, then mount it --
11:10<nyov>oddball42: after that run the grub-setup stuff or update-initramfs with the create switch
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11:10<babilen>Guest3618: Ok, the kernel module couldn't be loaded. What happens when you run "modprobe nvidia" ?
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11:11<oddball42>nyov and babilen thank you for all your help i love the linux community
11:11<Guest3618>module not found
11:11<sney>babilen: I see nouveau loading. looks like the blacklist didn't go either
11:11<babilen>sney: ← that's the one for nvidia -- and yes, the blacklist didn't really work ...
11:12<babilen>Guest3618: Did you reboot your machine?
11:12<Guest3618>yes, I had to boot into recovery mode D:
11:12<Guest3618>but yes I did reboot
11:12<nyov>oddball42: have fun :)
11:12<babilen>oddball42: yeah!
11:12<babilen>jordanm: good eye
11:13<Jet>Hi, can anyone help with git-buildpackage
11:14<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:14<daemonkeeper>FWIW: #debian-mentors is a better place for packaging related questions
11:14<Jet>ok, tnx
11:15<babilen>Guest3618: Could you run "modinfo nvidia" and show me the output?
11:16<Guest3618>ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia
11:16<babilen>Is the nvidia kernel module actually called nvidia?
11:16<babilen>Guest3618: I wasn't necessarily asking you :)
11:16<Guest3618>ok sorry :P
11:17<jordanm>babilen: yes
11:17<babilen>no problem
11:17<jordanm>his dkms package failed to build, or he didn't install it
11:17<babilen>jordanm: I suspect that as well, but Guest3618 said that the module built sucessfully
11:18<Guest3618>babilen: I just remembered, sorry I uninstalled it in recovery mode.
11:18<Guest3618>uh I feel like a retard
11:18<jordanm>babilen: perhaps for a different kernel than is currently running
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11:19<babilen>Guest3618: Could you install it *again* and show us the output?
11:19<Guest3618>Is it 'aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms'?
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11:21<Guest3618>thanks. Sorry about this
11:21<babilen>no harm done :)
11:21<Guest3618>maybe not yet :P
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11:22<babilen>yeah, the build failed -- See /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/195.36.31/build/* for more information
11:22<paulg_>Hi, I would like to test the new linux 3.0 kernel ( because of its new xen dom0 features) but I'm hesitating between using "make-kpkg" and "make deb-pkg".. Which one is the best/newer/officialy recommended?
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11:23<varx>babilen, and anyone else: If I'm using CPack and CMake to create a .deb, is there a way to automatically check the dependencies similar to depcheck? I'd really rather not list them all out by hand.
11:23<jordanm>paulg_: make-kpkg; see the README
11:24<sney>paulg_: for your own personal testing purposes it shouldn't make a difference. make-kpkg is well documented anyay
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11:24<diego>Hi, I'm looking for something to make a recovery utility, I would like to have two partitions (with a debian in each one) ... one debian for use and the other to restore the usable system ...
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11:24<diego>and of course I would like to update the image from time to time
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11:25<paulg_>thank you, I'll use it, but what is the difference?
11:25<diego>is there any tool to do those things easily
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11:26<babilen>jordanm: Somebody mentioned that #debian-kernel recommended "make deb-pkg" for linux3.0 -- I haven't done any research in that direction yet though.
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11:26<babilen>jordanm: Can't recall who was it, but I'll grep the logs.
11:27<jordanm>babilen: I didn't think there was anything radically different with 3.0
11:27<sney>there isn't. it's 2.6.40 by way of linus is too old to count
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11:28<babilen>There shouldn't be (might apply for .38/.39 as well -- haven't verified that claim, just wanted to toss out the information -- should verify myself though)
11:28<sney>but maybe make deb-pkg is going to be the new standard way to build debian kernels, and they figured now is as good a time as any to say it's recommended
11:29<babilen>Guest3618: I am not sure, maybe somebody else knows what this problem is ... I'll dig a little.
11:29<diego>Hi, anyone knows to back up and then restore a whole system (without making an image of your disk size but detecting whats in use) so I can make a disk recovery tool :) ?
11:29<Guest3618>ok thanks
11:30<paulg_>sney: thanks for the info
11:30<sney>diego: without an image? there is a way to clone a system configuration with apt, I don't remember the recipe, but some keyword guessing with dpkg should find it
11:31<babilen>Guest3618: I guess that the location of the autoconf.h file changed, but the nvidia package in squeeze does not know about that yet.
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11:31<babilen>Guest3618: Give me a second please.
11:31<Guest3618>babilen: Sure
11:32<diego>no, ... what I want is to create some kind of recovery tool... have you seen for example the HP laptops that comes with a recovery tool on boot that will erase the hard disk and copy the Windows version that came with the laptop
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11:33<Guest3618>diego: You mean, almost like an installation disc, simply customised for your specific system?
11:33<diego>yeah, it might be over a network
11:33<diego>lets say you work in a school
11:33<Guest3618>diego: and on a different partition on your hard drive
11:33<diego>and the kids
11:33<diego>usually break the system
11:33<diego>and you wanna give them root
11:33<diego>to try stuff
11:33<Guest3618>diego: You are talking about deployment services.
11:33<diego>so they will break it
11:34<diego>I just want to be able to restore the computer easily when they break it
11:34<arw>#jon #debian-es
11:34<Guest3618>If you were giving kids root privelidges, it would be a lot more simple for you if you download virtualbox, set up the system and copy the virtual hard drive.
11:34<Guest3618>That would take all of 10 minutes and you would have it working again
11:35<diego>nah, but a VirtualBox is not the same thing, its all emulated hardware and slower
11:35<diego>it would be cool to give them root privileges in the real computer
11:35<Guest3618>diego: How old are the kids in question? jw
11:35<sney>it's pretty quick on VT-enabled machines
11:35<nyov>diego: if it's for many systems, like at a school, maybe FAI is for you
11:35<babilen>Guest3618: The kernel headers are installed though? (for .38)
11:35<diego>high school ... maybe 15 / 16
11:35<sney>also, the HP recovery tool *is* a disk image.
11:36<sney>also also, maybe instead of giving out root access, you should make a specialized /etc/sudoers and allow them to play that way
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11:36<diego>yeah, I know, but if I make an image of a 80GB drive
11:36<diego>but linux is only 4GB when first installed
11:36<sney>with partimage it compresses the empty part
11:36<sney>so your image is only about 4, maybe 4 and a half
11:36<diego>yeah, want to compress the empty part ;)
11:36<sney>so use partimage. PROBLEM SOLVED .NEXT
11:36<Guest3618>babilen: I do not know. I am still very new to Linux, so I am not sure. How do I check?
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11:37<diego>looking at FAI :) thanks
11:37<sney>Guest3618: aptitude search ~iheaders
11:37<Guest3618>diego: Have fun
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11:37<Guest3618>sney: Thanks
11:37<Not_PC>just set up your drive with 2 systems and boot between them
11:37<Guest3618>i linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-686- - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bi
11:37<Guest3618>i A linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-comm - Common header files for Linux 2.6.38-bpo.2
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11:40<sney>Guest3618: yep, you've got them. I don't know. maybe you need the actual kernel from testing for it to build. babilen might have a better idea but he just ran away to satisfy his nic fit
11:40<Guest3618>sney: Thats ok, I can wait
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11:41<sney>I do know it builds on the testing kernel, though, because I have a wheezy machine with the nvidia proprietary driver
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11:42<Guest3618>sney: Did you require anything more than the proprietory driver?
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11:43<Guest3618>Sorry I meant anything else installed to get it to work/compile
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11:43<sney>no extra wiggling, though it is a full testing system as opposed to just kernel + headers + linux-base
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11:45<zem>i have 2.6.38-2-amd64 and nvidia proprieroty driver
11:45<Guest3618>ok. This is weird though. It installed earlier, but silly me, I uninstalled it to try and get my DE back
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11:48<Guest3618>well, according to aptitude, I can purge nvidia-kernel-dkms however on install it gave errors??? Weird...
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11:48<zem>hmmm... i have nvidia-glx version 270.41.06-1
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11:49<sney>judd: versions nvidia-glx
11:49<judd>Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 270.41.19-1; wheezy/non-free: 270.41.19-1; experimental/non-free: 275.09-1
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11:49<Guest3618>what is the difference between kernel-dkms and glx?
11:50<set>is any way to install on debian the wine of the newest version? now ist 1.3.2. I was on web of wine bat only found a few packs for newst wine... I was triend install it as builder of packages wrote but have problems with dependies
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11:50<jordanm>Guest3618: dkms is the package that builds the kernel module. glx is the xorg module
11:51<Guest3618>set:Can you not resolve those dependencies?
11:51<Guest3618>jordanm: Thanks
11:51<sney>set: you can try fixing the dependency problems with aptitude -f install
11:51<sney>set: but if those packages are for Ubuntu it might not work anyway
11:52<Guest3618>jordanm: Does that mean the dkms package compiles into a glx xorg module?
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11:52<SynrG>no. entirely different things
11:52<jordanm>Guest3618: no, nvidia requires a kernel module and a xorg module. they are different
11:52<Guest3618>So I need both?
11:53<sney>the kernel module interfaces the hardware with the operating system, and the xorg module actually accelerates your X experience and makes things shiny!
11:53<set>I tried install packages from here but when i tried install any of this packages i get information that can do this becouse dont have another package of wine... I installed that packages one by one
11:53<Guest3618>sney: So I do need both :)
11:53<sney>Guest3618: yep
11:53<Guest3618>sney: Thanks
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11:54<Guest3618>So much easier with ubuntu... until It started being a pig with my wireless devices
11:54<sney>I love how that wine page has no date stamps.
11:54<Guest3618>sney: So glx depends on the kernel module to be present?
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11:55<Guest3618>ok, thanks.
11:56<Guest3618>jordanm: You seem to know a fair bit about nvidia drivers?
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11:56<zem>Guest3618: are you on stable or testing?
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11:57<SynrG>every helper here *seems* to know a lot of things :)
11:57<sney>linux/X graphics drivers all follow the same basic usage requirements. kernel module + X driver
11:57<sney>SynrG: hey, I resemble that remark
11:57<Guest3618>zem: I am unsure what you are asking about?
11:57<sney>Guest3618: Debian 6?
11:57<zem>squeeze or whezzy?
11:57<Guest3618>6.01a Squeeze
11:57<zem>what kernel do you use?
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11:58<Guest3618>custom. Stock was 2.6.32-bpo.2-686-bigmem
11:58<Guest3618>w/o bigmem sorry
11:58<sney>stock wasn't a bpo kernel
11:58<sney>unless this used to be a lenny system, anyway
11:58<Guest3618>no hang on it was v 2.6.32 or something like that
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11:58<Guest3618>no It was a fresh install
11:58<Guest3618>hang on I will see if I can find it
11:59<Guest3618>that was stick
11:59<Guest3618>*stock, but current is 2.6.38-bpo.2-686-bigmem
12:00<sney>doesn't really matter. what I think you should try is installing 2.6.38-2 and linux-base 3.2 (which you can download directly from - don't add wheezy to your sources.list) and attempt to build the nvidia kernel with that. it does install on stable systems
12:00<zem>i would guess then that you should try nvidia drivers from whezzy, because those seem to compile correctly on 2.6.38
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12:01<sney>hm, or that
12:01<Guest3618>Which one?
12:01<sney>yeah, it is unlikely to be the kernel headers package.
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12:02<sney>do what zem said. and again get them from - you might need to make some return trips for dependencies, but it's safer than mixing stable and testing
12:02<Guest3618>Should I go with whezzy drivers then?
12:02<sney>and it's wheezy
12:03<Guest3618>So I am searching for nvidia-kernel-dkms again this time for wheezy?
12:03<sney>Guest3618: and if it works, please let us know, so we know what to do for the next person
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12:03<Guest3618>sney: Will do.
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12:04<Guest3618>sney: So what would my search terms be? It seems to have no area to specify wheezy
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12:04<zem>Guest3618: you have to replace squeeze mirrors with whezzy mirrots
12:04<sney>guest3618: under the search box there's a drop down menu
12:05<sney>Guest3618: pick 'testing'
12:05<zem>or that
12:05<sney>zem: no, he's not upgrading to testing.
12:05<Guest3618>OK thanks. And I am searching for nvidia-kernel-dkms?
12:05<sney>yep, nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-glx
12:06<sney>when you install with dpkg -i it may complain about additional dependencies, and you might need to get more packages.
12:06<zem>well, i guess i'm doing it wrong, but when i need to install something from testing/experimental i just add/edit mirrors, install what i want and then edit back again :)
12:06<sney>zem: yeesh, yeah, that's not recommended
12:06<Guest3618>OK I have the kernel
12:07<Guest3618>Error: Conflicts with the installed package 'nvidia-kernel-dkms'
12:07<Guest3618>but that installation errored
12:07<Guest3618>so should I purge it?
12:08<zem>Guest3618: purge any nvidia package you had previously
12:08<Guest3618>ok thanks
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12:08<Guest3618>An older version is available in a software channel
12:08<Guest3618>Generally you are recommended to install the version from the software channel, since it is usually better supported.
12:09<Guest3618>I should go ahead anyway?
12:09<Guest3618>All dependencies satisfied
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12:10<Guest3618>Installation complete. Heading for glx
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12:11<Guest3618>conflicts with installed package 'nvidia-glx'
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12:11<sney>same deal. purge the old one.
12:12<zem>should have purged that one too
12:12<Guest3618>Error: Breaks existing package 'libgl1-nvidia-glx' that conflict: 'nvidia-glx'. But the '/home/shane/Desktop/nvidia-glx_270.41.19-1_i386.deb' provides it via: 'nvidia-glx,xorg-driver-video'
12:12<sney>yeah, it's going to complain about things until you have it all installed
12:13<Guest3618>I saw libgl1-nvidia-glx as one of the options when I searched for nvidia-glx
12:13<Guest3618>Didnt realise I had it installed
12:14<Guest3618>Error: Breaks existing package 'nvidia-vdpau-driver' that conflict: 'nvidia-glx'. But the '/home/shane/Desktop/nvidia-glx_270.41.19-1_i386.deb' provides it via: 'nvidia-glx,xorg-driver-video'
12:15<Guest3618>ok thanks
12:15<zem>you can purge anything it complains about and has nvidia in package name
12:15<Guest3618>Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libgl1-nvidia-glx (= 270.41.19-1)
12:15<Guest3618>Didnt we purge that?
12:15<sney>Guest3618: so that's one you'll need to grab from packages
12:16<Guest3618>I thought we purged that before because it complained???
12:16<Guest3618>This is getting to the point of hilarity
12:16<sney>we purged the old one, but we need the new one
12:16<zem>you did purge it, now install it from testing
12:16<sney>we're installing stuff from the newer branch of debian, remember? most of these packages have the same names
12:17<Guest3618>When I searched for nvidia-glx it came up with that package as well
12:17<Guest3618>too easy :)
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12:18<Guest3618>Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: nvidia-installer-cleanup
12:18<zem>and install that from testing
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12:18<Guest3618>There is no testing package
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12:18<sney>judd: versions nvidia-installer-cleanup
12:18<judd>Package nvidia-installer-cleanup on i386 -- sid/contrib: 20110515+1; wheezy/contrib: 20110515+1
12:19<Guest3618>what do I do with that info?
12:19<sney>that just means it's there. check for typos
12:19<SynrG>Guest3618: you're missing 'contrib' in your sources.list
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12:19<sney>SynrG: he's doing these one by one from p.d.o to prevent mixing testing and stable
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12:19<Guest3618>I am not getting it with aptitude, I am searching off debians website
12:20<sney>or, prevent mixing them too much, anyway.
12:20<Guest3618>and there cant be typos because I pasted it and removed everything apart from the name
12:20<SynrG>in the archive directly? or through packages.d.o?
12:20<sney>stable nvidia dkms ftb on 2.6.38
12:20<sney>so we're trying this
12:20<SynrG>if you're browsing an archive mirror you are possibly looking in the wrong archive area. contrib, not non-free.
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12:21<SynrG>if you're on packages.d.o it's easy
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12:21<SynrG>should be able to browse to the version in wheezy from there
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12:21<sney>Furthermore using the nvidia-installer to install a new version of the drivers is prevented as long as this package is installed.
12:21<Guest3618>SynrG: Thanks
12:22<SynrG>sney: ah, heh
12:22<SynrG>probably don't want that then, eh?
12:22<zem>yes he does
12:22<sney>nvidia-installer =/= dkms
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12:22<SynrG>huh? ok.
12:22<zem>it prevents you to install it from nvidia installer, and that is a good thing
12:22<Guest3618>all dependencies satisfied on nvidia-installer. Next
12:22<sney>nvidia-installer is the shell scripted kludge from that nukes X half the time
12:23<zem>Guest3618: we are still on nvidia-glx iirc
12:23<SynrG>ohhh. i missed the intent of that. got it.
12:23<Guest3618>libgl1-nvidia-glx already installed, purging
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12:24<Guest3618>all dependencies satisfied.
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12:24<Guest3618>nvidia-glx Error: Breaks existing package 'libgl1-nvidia-glx' that conflict: 'nvidia-glx'. But the '/home/shane/Desktop/nvidia-glx_270.41.19-1_i386.deb' provides it via: 'nvidia-glx,xorg-driver-video'
12:24<EmleyMoor>In anyremote, the All-in-1_v2 has no "way back" from the Amarok v4 control - anyone know a fix?
12:25<zem>Guest3618: what is the wersion of libgl1-nvidia-glx=
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12:25<Guest3618>zem: It was the one from testing. I only just installed it.
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12:25<zem>you'll need libgl1-nvidia-glx (= 270.41.19-1)
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12:27<javierito>hello all
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12:28<Guest3618>zem: I got it from here: arch i386
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12:28<zem>Guest3618: check the version in aptitude
12:28<javierito>i am spanish deaf, someone have Dell xps 1330 and b34 drivers?
12:28<dpkg>b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
12:28<zem>and then check that you are installing correct version of nvidia-glx
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12:29<javierito>yea, i install the fwcutter
12:29<kamtis>hallo master, i have a problem!!!
12:29<javierito>in ubuntu work good but, no like ubuntu. In Debian have wlan0 but the wifi is disabled, and i try enable the wifi
12:30<EmleyMoor>How do I set my sytem to fire up xine (or even, not start a player) if a DVD is inserted?
12:30<Guest3618>zem: I dont know how :P Sorry I am still a linux newbie
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12:30<sney>javierito: there is also #debian-es if you would prefer help in spanish
12:30<javierito>ok ty sney my english is very bad xD
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12:30<sney>Guest3618: in a terminal, apt-cache policy packagename
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12:32<zem>i have Installed: 270.41.06-1, you should have 270.41.19-1
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12:33<Guest3618> Installed: 270.41.19-1
12:33<Guest3618> Candidate: 270.41.19-1
12:34<zem>that's ok
12:34<Guest3618>However it does not help the errors
12:34<zem>now, try nvidia-glx
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12:35<zem>Guest3618: what do you do and what is the error?
12:35<Guest3618>Error: Breaks existing package 'libgl1-nvidia-glx' that conflict: 'nvidia-glx'. But the '/home/shane/Desktop/nvidia-glx_270.41.19-1_i386.deb' provides it via: 'nvidia-glx,xorg-driver-video'
12:36<Guest3618>zem: I open it with GDebi package installer.
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12:38<alvinPH>hello buddies, where can I dload a CD iso of debian 6?
12:38<Guest3618>alvinPH: Off Debian
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12:38<zem>Guest3618: do "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx"
12:39<Guest3618>alvinPH: Sorry, you can get torrents. Your options are here:
12:39<Guest3618> Installed: (none)
12:39<Guest3618> Candidate: 195.36.31-6
12:40<zem>ok, try this, go to console, cd /home/shane/Desktop
12:40<zem>dpkg -i nvidia-glx_270
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12:40<dpkg>package nvidia-glx_270 is already installed
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12:41<zem>(you'll need the whole package name)
12:41<Guest3618>or just pkg -i nvidia-glx_270*
12:41<alvinPH>why there are so many numbered iso's? which one should i get?
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12:42<Guest3618>alphinPH: debian-6.0.1a-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent
12:42<Guest3618>replace amd64 with your architecture
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12:43<zem>Guest3618: that's better
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12:43<zem>you need nvdia-support packager
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12:43<alvinPH>wait, my processor is intel atom
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12:44<Guest3618>aplhinPH: i386
12:44<Guest3618>zem: Got it
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12:44<zem>then try again dpkg for nvidia-glx
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12:45<Guest3618>Broken dependencies: Your system has broken dependencies. This application can not continue until this this is fixed. To fix it run 'gksudo synaptic' or 'sudo apt-get install -f' in a terminal window.
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12:46<zem>that's dpkg -i nvidia-glx_270* output?
12:46<chealer>alvinPH: you probably shouldn't get any. you can use a netinst for your architecture instead.
12:46<Guest3618>No, that is what happened when I opened nvidia-support in GDebi
12:46<zem>use dpkg to install nvidia support
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12:47<lee-0>is there a C library for handling emails in Debian?
12:47<alvinPH>ok thanks to you
12:47<Guest3618>ok done and glx is done as well
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12:47<Guest3618>alvinPH: No worries :)
12:47<daemonkeeper>Handling e-mails in what sense, lee-0? RFC822 parsing?
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12:48<lee-0>daemonkeeper: I´m looking into creating some sort of email to SMS gateway.
12:48<Guest3618>zem: OK when I open it with GDebi it says it conflicts with already installed package so that tells us its installed
12:48<daemonkeeper>Your question is "how to send an e-mail"?
12:49<ompaul>lee-0: make a twitter to sms that works better - a 20 line email is going to be way over 140 characters :)
12:49<lee-0>daemonkeeper: No, I would like to be able to send SMSs just as I send email.
12:49<lee-0>ompaul: Why would I give them access to the contents of my SMSs?
12:50<daemonkeeper>Just open a pipe (popen()) to sendmail and throw at it the email you want to send.
12:50<lee-0>ompaul: Sending a 20 line email won´t be a problem, gammu does it for me.
12:50<ompaul>lee-0: size
12:50<zem>Guest3618: apt-cache policy nvidia-support
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12:50<ompaul>lee-0: better to have a phone that sees email
12:50<PeterNL>You can actually send long SMSs without problems if you have enough credit
12:50<lee-0>ompaul: gammu splits the message into as many SMSs as needed.
12:50<Guest3618> Installed: 20110515+1
12:50<Guest3618> Candidate: 20110515+1
12:50<lee-0>ompaul: How would I connect my IBM Model M keyboard to my cellphone?
12:50<zem>then again dpkg -i nvidia-glx_270*
12:51<PeterNL>lee-0: if you've got an android phone, "Remote Web Desktop" will do just that and more
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12:52<lee-0>daemonkeeper: I think I´ll need some sort of filter to parse the email and get relevant information out of it to then send the email as an SMS with gammu.
12:52<ompaul>lee-0: the answer carefully with a soldering iron comes to mind ;-) however I was making a singular point, there are better tools out there already
12:52<lee-0>PeterNL: I don´t have an android phone ...
12:52<lee-0>ompaul: Like?
12:52<Guest3618>zem: Wont be a moment
12:52<PeterNL>it your mail is plain text, just look for two line endings and read from there
12:53<zem>Guest3618: what?
12:53<daemonkeeper>lee-0: Your architecture sounds odd, but I have no time to debug this for you. Either you are your own gateway you have to use your GSM modem then, or you use a mail2SMS gateway, you address by calling sendmail
12:53<ompaul>lee-0: andriod was the one that came to mind - you complain you have no such tool, however if your phone is able to connect to the net most modern phones will also look at imap mails and other stuff
12:53<lee-0>PeterNL: If there´s a library for handling email, it make it easier ...
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12:53<PeterNL>dunno, using cut -d"\n\n" -f2 sounds easy to me
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12:54<zem>Guest3618: that looks like it's installing to me
12:54<PeterNL>but if your mail is more thamn plain text it will be difficult anyway, libraries are gonna help, but it won't be easy
12:54<lee-0>daemonkeeper: Perhaps it´s odd. I have a computer and a cellphone, and I would like to write an email that is being sent as an SMS.
12:54<PeterNL>Some phone providers allow sending sms from their website
12:55<Guest3618>zem: Now what?
12:55<zem>was that whole output?
12:55<PeterNL>So it's not that odd, just that you actually want it trough an email>sms gateway is odd
12:55<lee-0>PeterNL: It´ll be plain text. And I can send sms with my phone from my computer already, no need to use their website. Using a website would make it only more difficult.
12:55<ompaul>lee-0: text processing is going to be the hard job, the question about "handling" email creates all sorts of other issues, imap, pop, before it hits your desktop client after it gets hit, by what, can you read a directory of email with grep in a script and find the text you want to send that using a shell script of course you can, if you know what you are looking for
12:55<Guest3618>zem: That was it
12:55<zem>Guest3618: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
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12:56<PeterNL>lee-0: then just fine the two line endings. Let me find an example...
12:56<lee-0>PeterNL: What´s odd with wanting to be able to handle SMSs just the same way as emails?
12:56<Guest3618> Installed: 270.41.19-1
12:56<Guest3618> Candidate: 270.41.19-1
12:56<zem>that's nice
12:57<PeterNL>because they are not made for the same purpose ;)
12:57<zem>Guest3618: you can now install nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings from wheezy
12:57<lee-0>ompaul: Yes, handling email can be very complicated. I´m thinking of piping email into a filter which then handles sending it as an SMS, using gammu.
12:57<lee-0>PeterNL: That doesn´t matter to me :)
12:58<zem>Guest3618: and then run nvidia-xconfig and reboot and you should have your nvidia drivers up and running
12:58<Guest3618>zem: nvidia-xconfig yes
12:58<PeterNL>Hmmz, I can't find an example, most email I recieve are half-html ;)
12:58<lee-0>PeterNL: And are they really made for different purposes? We could argue about that ... :)
12:59<ompaul>lee-0: read this and get more confused
12:59<lee-0>PeterNL: Nobody should send HTML as an email ...
12:59<PeterNL>Nobody should, but everyone does anyway
12:59<lee-0>ompaul: I can imagine :)
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12:59<lee-0>PeterNL: I don´t.
12:59<Guest3618>zem: When searching nvidia-settings, I have two options. The files are '/usr/bin/nvidia-settings' or '/usr/share/menu/nvidia-settings'. Which do I choose?
13:00<PeterNL>especially when most people don't know whet html is anyway, They just want a bold-button in their email client
13:00<lee-0>PeterNL: And if I get some HTML email which is unreadable, I delete it.
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13:00<zem>Guest3618: apt-cache policy nvidia-settings
13:00<PeterNL>You delete most email from non-tech friends?
13:00<PeterNL>I don't ;)
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13:01<Guest3618> Installed: (none)
13:01<Guest3618> Candidate: 195.36.24-1
13:01<lee-0>PeterNL: Most of the mail I get isn´t HTML. Some that is, mutt displays just fine. If I can´t read it, I delete it.
13:02<PeterNL>But you can read most of it just fine, right?
13:02<lee-0>PeterNL: If it was easy to detect html-only email, I would set up exim to deny receiving them.
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13:02<Guest3618>hang on, they both go to the same page
13:02<PeterNL>Mail I can't read for such reasons usually doesn't come past my spam filter anyway ;)
13:02<ompaul>lee-0: you are showing signs of obsession with using gammu - bottom line - your biggest problem is to define which part exactly of the mail you want to send you can read your mail automagically with mutt
13:02<lee-0>PeterNL: yes
13:02<jordanm>Guest3618: yes, I do
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13:03<Guest3618>zem: Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
13:03<PeterNL>broken html without plain-text version is usually spam anyway
13:03<Guest3618>jordanm: That was ages ago
13:03<lee-0>ompaul: I´m not obsessed with gammu, it´s only that I found that does work. I want to send the body of the email I´m writing in mutt --- or some other MUA.
13:03<Guest3618>Now zem knows more :P
13:04<Guest3618>Just kidding I have no idea :P
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13:04<ompaul>lee-0: read the page and stop talking
13:04<lee-0>PeterNL: How do you detect it?
13:04<PeterNL>How do I detect what?
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13:04<jordanm>Guest3618: its not a good idea to mix testing with stable
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13:04<lee-0>PeterNL: HTML-only email
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13:04<zem>Guest3618: forget about nvidia settings for now
13:05<zem>Guest3618: apt-cache policy nvidia-xconfig
13:05<Guest3618>jordanm: We have almost finished mixing.
13:05<Guest3618>zem: ok
13:05<PeterNL>most html-only mail is still very readable, and I usually don't look at the source
13:05*PeterNL is a gmail user
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13:05*lee-0 is not
13:05<Guest3618>jordanm: If this does not work, I will have to come back tomorrow, because it is 1:05 am over here
13:05<PeterNL>I figured ;)
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13:06<Guest3618> Installed: 270.41.06-1
13:06<Guest3618> Candidate: 270.41.06-1
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13:06<lee-0>ompaul: You got it the other way round. Getting SMSs off the phone and send them as email is another thing.
13:06<zem>Guest3618: have you run nvidia-xconfig
13:06<Guest3618>No, not yet
13:06<Guest3618>shall I now?
13:06<zem>do it
13:06<Guest3618>New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
13:07<Guest3618>Now I know what to delete when I am in recovery mode :)
13:07<lee-0>PeterNL: Why would I give control of something as important as email to someone else any more than I can avoid it?
13:07<Guest3618>haha should I restart now?
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13:07<zem>you can reboot now
13:07<Guest3618>Ok. I will be back.
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13:08<toote>hi everyone, I'm experiencing SPAM issues in the DDTP
13:08<toote>who should I report it to?
13:08<devnet>don't call 911
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13:09<toote>jordanm: it's not spam in a list, it is spam in
13:09<highbombe>does anyone here have java experience?
13:09<toote>basically an IP submitting spam as translations for package descriptions
13:09<jordanm>highbombe: #java on freenode
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13:10<PeterNL>lee-0: since I cannot control any of it anyway. Most of my friends already use Live Mail or Gmail already, so google and microsoft probably read my mail anyway. And I allow them to do that, since I don't use email for private things for that reason.
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13:11<jordanm>toote: looks like it still goes through a mailing list. you can check with #alioth
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13:11<toote>jordanm: ok, thanks
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13:11<lee-0>PeterNL: Ah, I see, so it doesn´t make much difference to you.
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13:12<ompaul>lee-0: use fetchmail and deal with the issues
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13:12<lee-0>ompaul: Why would I use fetchmail?
13:12<ompaul>to read the mail
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13:12<Guest3636>zem: It all works 'perfectly' now. Thank you. We shall see if it continues to work like so
13:12<zem>Guest3636: glad to hear that
13:12<lee-0>ompaul: fetchmail is not for reading mail, it´s for fetching it
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13:13<Guest3636>zem: Do you want me to list what we installed for you?
13:13<ompaul>read as in grab from server - then your grep and then your cut and then your sms and then your problem has been solved
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13:13<highbombe>the java room is empty
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13:13<zem>Guest3636: don't need to, i can just look in my package list and see since i have nvidia
13:13<lee-0>ompaul: You still have it the other way round. It´s not about fetching email from some remote server to send it as SMS.
13:14<ompaul>lee-0: is it then the fetching of an sms and sending it in an email
13:14<babilen>highbombe: It is on a different server ( -- /connect -- /join ##java
13:14<zem>Guest3636: i got to go now, so, enjoy your debian with nvidia :)
13:14<Guest3636>zem: Ok. Thank you for that. Have a good evening :)
13:14<Guest3636>zem: Will do. Goodbye
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13:15<highbombe>okay well heres a samba issue i am also having
13:15<lee-0>ompaul: Fetching an SMS and sending it as an email is the second part of it, yes. It would be nice to have a solution for that. ATM, I want to be able to write a mail in mutt as usual, and instead of sending it as an email, I want it sent as an SMS.
13:16<highbombe>my windows machine wont connect to my samba server running on debian
13:16<highbombe>heres my config file and the error log i recieve
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13:18<ompaul>lee-0: at a guess,9622,13789-_,00.html
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13:20<lee-0>ompaul: Thanks, that´s just an email account that would send you an SMS when an email arrives. I don´t need that since I can access my mail via my cellphone.
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14:02<lee-0>What´s the alternative to metasend in Debian?
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14:07<PCChris>ok....I now have Debian installed (hooray!) can anybody tell me how to disable system beep at gdm? I've already blacklisted pcspkr
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14:09<jgoppert>the bell from gnome-terminal is disabled through the profile settings if that's what you are looking for
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14:11<PCChris>actually, I may have found it...gdmsetup
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14:45<deskey>using ATI card,, no audio output on hdmi
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14:49<deskey>and on the device section should i be seeing the HDMI out also?
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14:54<chealer>deskey: which device section?
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14:56<deskey>chealer : audio
14:56<deskey>chealer : audio
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15:23<Silicium01>What is the fasetst way to backup a hard drive?
15:23<Silicium01>I currently use rsync
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15:24<lancelot_of>hi all
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15:25<mase>Silicium01 desktop or server?
15:25<lancelot_of>could anyone give me suggestion on the"best" font to use for status bars/menus?its quite crazy to surf on thousands of possible choices of xfontsel...
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15:26<Silicium01>mase, desktop to external drive
15:26<Silicium01>mase, interested about server too
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15:28<mase>Silicium01 well for desktops a rsync on the home directory is quite ok i think (if used wisely)
15:29<jordanm>cp should be faster than rsync if it is a first time transfer
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15:29<mase>Silicium01 but youre missing history
15:29<Silicium01>jordanm, no I do it weekly
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15:29<Silicium01>missing history?
15:29<jordanm>rsnapshot is a nice rsync wrapper
15:30<mase>Silicium01 you cant recreate a snapshot of a specific date
15:30<Silicium01>mase, right
15:30<Silicium01>I don't think I need that at this time
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15:31<Silicium01>mase, so there is no faster "hardware" level duplication method?
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15:32<mase>"Hardware"-level? you mean like raid?
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15:36<Silicium01>mase, not sure
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15:36<Yossarian>hi guys, just wondering, where can i get debian testing or unstable repos?
15:37<mase>Silicium01 is rsync so low on your side? may be you can "ignore" some wasting directories
15:38<mase>Yossarian as isos?
15:38<Yossarian>mase, sorry what? :D
15:38<mase>what do you mean? as cd-images or just the apt urls?
15:38<Yossarian>apt urls
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15:39<mase>Yossarian like that:
15:39<mase>deb testing main contrib non-free
15:39<mase>ok, there they are :D
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15:41<Yossarian>why thank you kind sir :D
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15:41<Yossarian>which one is most up to date, next to experimental? testing or unstable?
15:42<Yossarian>and if i just add this repo and go to update manager, will i break my system?
15:42<mase>unstable. but it is... unstable!
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15:42<mase>Yossarian what do you want to upgrade?
15:43<Yossarian>umm, everything ;))
15:43<Yossarian>i'm running latest squeeze from iso
15:43<Yossarian>but there are 588 updates available if i add the testing repo
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15:45<mase>testing works fine on my side... but...
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15:45<Yossarian>the question is, if i install all these updates... will it break my system?
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15:47<mase>if there is no realy good reason to do so and if youre not very familiar to fix problems... better don't do that. no one sayd it stable...
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15:49<mase>-it +its
15:50<mase>Yossarian but there are special repos for kde for example, if thats why you want to upgrade
15:50<Yossarian>i use gnome
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15:52<Yossarian>so if i install all of it, i might break my pc :))
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15:54<mase>Yossarian probably not, but problems "may" occur; so its your decission. its testing, not stable... :P ; i don't have problems with testing, but i'm a developer
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15:54<babilen>Yossarian: stop and reconsider
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15:55<Class>hello guys i have some problems with my network-manager. I had disabled network manager from startup and now when i enable it does not work
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15:55<babilen>mase: I would highly advise to use "wheezy" instead of "testing" to avoid breakage whenever a new stable release is made.
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15:55<shred>i am trying to run a program but it is failing to read the correct libraries, what is the best way to update the library path of that program?
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15:56<Class>the problem is that there is some red X indicates that network is down and this red thing is blinking once in 10 second
15:56<shred>the lib is
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15:56<Class>when i stop network-manager from init.d and restart the networking everything is fine
15:56<babilen>Yossarian: Please read (a lot of it applies to testing too) before you upgrade. I also hope that you are aware of other ways to get newer versions of packages such as backports (/msg dpkg bdo) which you can also create yourself (/msg dpkg ssb)
15:56<Class>can someone tell me what it might be ?
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15:57<Yossarian>ok, i see now
15:57<Yossarian>thanks :()
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15:57<Class>btw i need network-manager to connect to pptp
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15:59<mase>babilen you're right, but i'm at testing for several years now. i like problems ;P
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16:11<kop>!tell Class about overview
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16:14<Class>kop, can you tell me why there is no dhcdbd package in squeeze ?
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16:16<Class>ah no dhcdb
16:16<cthuluh>there is no dhcdbd
16:16<cthuluh>but dhcpcd
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16:16<Class>only name if the package was changed ?
16:17<Class>only name of the package was changed ?*
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16:36<cabbitzilla>load xsys
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16:36<cabbitzilla>load sysinfo
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16:37<safinaskar>where is keymap in fs?
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16:44<Mike632T>I know that everyone seems to want to remove 'unwanted' beeps but in my case I'm running a headless file server in a home environment and for peace of mind would like a positive confirmation that everything has shutdown cleanly just before it actually powers off (or as close as reasonably possible) - I think that this rules out /etc/rc.shutdown as this is run at the beginning of the shutdown process. What are the alterna
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16:46<Mike632T>Ok so that would be in /etc/rc0.d ?
16:46<mad2>hey new to debian and this may be a dumb question but i am having a problem getting my sound to work...i was running ubuntu and i found that i had to select the nvidia sound to controll the sound on my laptop but alsa says there is no settings for the nvidia car...only for my intel one
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16:47<Myon>Mike632T: yes
16:47<Myon>maybe K99, but iirc stuff is run in reversed order
16:48<Mike632T>Myon: Thanks - I'll give it a go
16:48<cahoot>mad2, according to cat /proc/asound/cards there are two? which # is the nvidia?
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16:49<Mike632T>cahoot: I had a similar problem - physically you have two sound devices but only use one of them?
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16:50<cahoot>you can use both - just direct the output to the one of your choice
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16:51<mad2>ok that makes sense
16:51<Mike632T>Remember I had to set that up in sound.conf but don't have my notes to hand
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16:54<mad2>cahoot, nvidia is number 1
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16:58<mad2>would it have anything to do with not using the proprietary nvidia driver?
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17:00<lee-0>mad2: see /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and set something like options snd-hda-intel index=1
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17:04<mad2>it still is not working
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17:05<lee-0>mad2: You need to specify the right module, snd-hda-intel is only an example. You can set an index for each of your cards; then reboot to enable these new settings.
17:05<mad2>o ok..i will try to reboot
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17:05<lee-0>mad2: The first card has index = 0
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17:20<Odin>anyone here feel like helping me with a potentially unfixable problem?
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17:20<kop>Odin: Just ask and see if somebody answers.
17:20<Odin>Ok. Basically I can SSH into the box, but it can't connect to anything.
17:21<Odin>can't resolve dns, can't connect to IPs
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17:21<Odin>I am at a loss as to what might be causing this.
17:21<Odin>any ideas?
17:21<kop>Odin: You can connect in from the LAN, right?
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17:21<Odin>no, the server is in like russia, it isn't local.
17:22<kop>Odin: Can it ping -n?
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17:22<kop>Odin: ping -n
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17:23<Odin>56 transmitted 0 received
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17:24<kop>Odin: Sounds firewalled. (You could try ping -n ing the box's own IP, the IP of the gateway/etc.
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17:24<lee-0>Odin: Can you ping the computer you´re connecting from?
17:24<Odin>I was sort of thinking it may be blacklisted or something.
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17:25<rpetre>it may be some sort of honeypot :)
17:25<Odin>can't ping my home computer from it.
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17:25<Odin>my friend rents/runs some shady shit on it, idk
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17:25<Odin>I just use it to host minecraft.
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17:26<lee-0>Hm, since you can ssh into it, it is able to establish a connection to your computer.
17:26<lee-0>How about a traceroute?
17:27<Odin>I am going to switch over to my arch partition, currently on windows
17:27<Odin>brb and thank you so far
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17:30<djesting>Hi, I've got a new install of PHP5 on lenny (running apache2) and phpinfo.php in /var/www fails w/ 500 internal error. Should I change permissions? Owner and Group are currently root
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17:31<Odin>and I'm back
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17:31<Odin>you mentioned a traceroute?
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17:32<jmccrohan>Any mdadm experts floating around atm? Whats reasonable RAID5 chunk size for general desktop use? Both big and small files. (Both ISOs and fs backups)
17:32<Odin>also, it is worth noting that I can connect to the box from apache
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17:32<Odin>like, I can type and get to the server, I can ssh into the server, but can't connect anywhere when sshed in
17:32<rpetre>Odin: it's possible that the firewall on that server or its router is set up to allow only incoming connections
17:33<Odin>that sounds like it'd be it
17:33<chealer>djesting: are you aware that lenny is deprecated?
17:33<Odin>is there some sort of config I can mess with?
17:33<rpetre>not a never seen before trick for shell accounts
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17:33<djesting>@chealer it's what I have to work with
17:33<nyov>djesting: make them owned by www-data:www-data and see if that helps
17:34<niftylettuce>Hi folks, I'm looking for some help with 'fancontrol' on Debian Squeze on an HP DV5Z. There is not a /etc/fancontrol config, so I am assuming my kernel does not have the ability to control the fan at this point? How might I check this and what are the steps to set up fancontrol properly in my case?
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17:34<nyov>jmccrohan: i would say 1024k chunk
17:34<rpetre>Odin: I'd say you'd better talk to the owner of the machine and ask what you're permitted to do with it and not. Looks like there are some rather strong service agreements in place
17:35<Odin>lol, he gave me root and said "don't touch the ircd but anything else is fine"
17:35<chealer>djesting: why should you change permissions?
17:35<rpetre>well, ask him about the firewall then
17:35<Odin>I guess I'll have to, gotta wake up first :<
17:35<Odin>anyway, thanks for the help
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17:36<jmccrohan>nyov: oh ok. Reading around the internet suggests 128k. I'm currently using 512k but performance isn't good and thought that 512k was too big.
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17:36<djesting>what do you think is the problem with the php installation @chealer?
17:36<jmccrohan>nyov: I'll give that a try. Thanks.
17:36<nyov>jmccrohan: performance depends on what's on top of the raid, too
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17:37<nyov>jmccrohan: i.e. lvm, cryptdisk
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17:38<jmccrohan>nyov: was just gonna throw raw ext3. but i hadn't aligned it with stripe and stride params so that could be killing performance too.
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17:38<nyov>jmccrohan: likely, yes
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17:39<chealer>djesting: why do you think there's a problem with the PHP installation?
17:39<nyov>but unless it's seriously misconfigured, normally not that much performance loos there
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17:40<nyov>jmccrohan: so, doing hdparm -tT on the physical device and on the md device differs really much?
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17:42<jmccrohan>nyov: yeah. big difference.
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17:42<jmccrohan>nyov: no wait. thats fine. its moving stuff too the raid fs that is slow.
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17:43<djesting>nyov followup Q. if the failure is on "required './libraries/' (include path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') then I need to change permissions on /usr/share/php and /usr/share/pear?
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17:44<nyov>djesting: changing those permissions should not be necessary
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17:44<nyov>djesting: rather your include path might be wrong
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17:45<djesting>nyov 'usr/share/php' exists...
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17:46<djesting>aha but there's no libraries in that folder
17:46<nyov>djesting: './libraries/' will not exist in there
17:47<djesting>nothing named 'libraries' exists on my server it seems
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17:49<nyov>djesting: then you should copy it to your www-root. sounds like your software is not installed correctly
17:49<djesting>chealer - I guess that's why I think my php install is wrong. Thanks nyov
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18:35<kizzy>anybody there?
18:35<kizzy>hows it going?
18:36<sney>I'm alive
18:36<sney>do you have a debian question?
18:36<kizzy>i want to connect to a server and a channel
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18:37<sney>the main smuxi developer hangs out in here, do you want to tell him that he didn't write a good manual? or did you just not read it?
18:37<kizzy>slash help....right?
18:38<babilen>kizzy: You succeeded, but please note that this channel is for technical support and not a social chat channel. You might try #moocows if you are looking for the latter.
18:38<babilen>!tell kizzy -about irc tutorial
18:38<kizzy>ok np
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19:22<kusanagi>can i safely remove exim from my system? is it used to deliver local email? why is in the default debian installation if usually ppl does not use comp as an MTA?
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19:27<babilen>!why a mta
19:27<dpkg>An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>.
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19:28<kusanagi>ty babilen
19:28<babilen>no problem, don't concern yourself with it ... :)
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19:32<edbian>Why doesn't this rsync command delete files that are on the receiver but not on the sender? rsync -r -h- i -u --delete --progress* /home/ed/Desktop/
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19:36<nickzxcv>does anybody use ? i'm wondering if the apt-dater user on the management host that has access to the apt-dater accounts on the managed hosts, is supposed to be logged in directly? if I sudo to the aptdater user, it can't open my terminal (with curses) and if i run it as myself, it doesn't have access to the aptdater keys for the managed hosts, but i imagined having direct remote access to the aptdater account wo
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19:41<Nikolaos>Hello! I have a question for anyone who can answer it. I was trying to install Ubuntu on my other (main) computer, but did not intend to overwrite Windows at this time. I therefore chose the option, in installation, to assign partitions myself. However, I had to go back and check some other things earlier in installation, and the installer automatically reset to overwrite my entire hard drive. I realized what happened immediately, and pre
19:41<Nikolaos>ssed cancel. But, one megabyte was reformatted from my main partition, and now Windows is completely unaccessible. Is my data savable?
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19:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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19:43<Nikolaos>My question does not concern Ubuntu.
19:43<babilen>Nikolaos: Why does it concern Debian?
19:44<edbian>Nikolaos: Your first post says you installed Ubuntu
19:44<Nikolaos>This is the only server that I had access to at the time, but I suspect that people here would be more knowledgeable on technical matters in any case.
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19:45<Nikolaos>No, I didn't. I cancelled the installation - this is more a question of partitioning than any OS.
19:45<edbian>Nikolaos: It is likely the data is still there. To actually write 0's over your data would take a long time (like hours)
19:45<Nikolaos>Okay, thank you. Do you have any ideas on how it could be saved if the recovery disk that I am downloading won't work?
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19:46<NiceGirL>alguien habla español?
19:46<MrFrood>##windows on
19:46<babilen>Nikolaos: To put it like this: I don't see what this has to do with Debian and you are therefore off-topic in here. That being said: Your data is most likely safe, you just need to install/fix the bootloader. (Ubuntu's or Windows -- IIRC windows has fixmbr -- ask ##windows on
19:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:47<babilen>Nikolaos: I wish you good luck with it, but we can't really support everything in here and *only* support Debian. Please understand that.
19:47<Nikolaos>Thank you. I am sorry for being off-topic, but this was the most relevant channel that I had an address to.
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19:48<Nikolaos>Valete omnes, et gratias vobis.
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20:11<x2o>hey, brennende frage, externe festplatte fürn schreibtisch zuhause, alle daten die auf die ssd nicht drauf passen....
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20:11<x2o>welches dateisystem?
20:12<x2o>ext4,ntfs oder fat?
20:12<x2o>prinzipiell wärs schon praktisch wenn man von windows darauf zugreifen könnte
20:12<x2o>ich selber benutze aber keins
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20:13<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
20:13<x2o>ah shit sry
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20:15<babilen>x2o: two partitions would be an option as well.
20:15<x2o>jep, but how do i decide then where i put my files?
20:16<babilen>I would probably just go with vfat if windows comes into play, if not ext*.
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21:44<homarus_gammarus>Hi, I need some help.
21:45<homarus_gammarus>I want to set my ubuntu to automatically mount a hard drive when starting the system.
21:45<quant>this is Debian support, please go to #ubuntu on Freenode
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21:45<homarus_gammarus>I can't.
21:46<homarus_gammarus>For some reason I am banned.
21:46<homarus_gammarus>And I have never entered that channel.
21:47<quant>homarus_gammarus: this should solve your problem:
21:47<homarus_gammarus>Thanks quant.
21:47<quant>skip to "6."
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21:48<homarus_gammarus>By the way, by doing that I would not have to mount the hdd?
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22:34<mad2>i have two sound cards and i cant control the one that actually controls my is intel and the other is nvidia, the nvidia controls my laptop
22:34<mad2>any ideas?
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22:43<MrFrood>mad2: try #alsa on if you can't find anything useful on the wiki
22:43<abrotman>the has a decent wiki also .. i believe there's a special section about multiple cards
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22:44<mad2>thanks for the tip
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22:52<achantrill>does anyone know how to turn off the blap buzzing noise on Squeeze after boot just as the login screen comes up?
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22:52<achantrill>It startles me every morning
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22:52<mintypu>Hi I have a problem. I have an NVIDIA graphics card installed along with the recommended drivers. My computer is saying it is ativated but not in use how do I enable or get to use it? help please
22:53<cipherboy>Question about the debian installer (CD-1): Is it possible to set the CD device via kernel boot option? I am trying to load it via grub2 from hard disk but it fails to find the cd drive (doesn't exist).
22:53<abrotman>mintypu: which OS?
22:53<sney>!ubuntuirc mintypu
22:53<dpkg>mintypu: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://
22:53<abrotman>mintypu: you want #ubuntu on
22:55<sney>cipherboy: trying to load what? the cd? are you unable to boot from cd via your bios boot menu?
22:55<cipherboy>I couldn't find anything in the debian installer's manual page on boot parameters.
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22:56<cipherboy>I downloaded the debian iso (CD-1 i386) and put it in /iso. I have set up grub to boot the iso, but the installer fails as it cannot find the cd device. I need to map the iso to a virtual cd device.
22:57<cipherboy>The Ubuntu isos do not look for the cd device, so booting the installer/livecd successfully installs.
22:57<cipherboy>* via an iso from grub.
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22:58<cipherboy>BTW, using grub 1.99-rc1 with ext4 partion (natty host).
22:58<sney>the ubuntu installer isn't derived from the debian one afaik, so different behaviour is to be expected
22:59<cipherboy>Yes, but there has to be a way to have the installer find the .iso rather than some non-existant cd drive.
22:59<sney>also, debian cd1(s) are hybrid images. if you had a usb drive or a vfat partition handy, you can just write it to that
23:00<sney>there is, the old usb installer did exactly that
23:00<chealer>achantrill: which login screen?
23:00<sney>maybe it's still available
23:00<sney>!usb install
23:00<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
23:01<cipherboy>The reason I ask is I want to create a script to automatically detect isos in a certain directory (/iso) and add them to the grub boot menu.
23:02<cipherboy>The script works with ubuntu, but the debian installer does'nt load as it is booting via iso, not cdrom/usb/etc.
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23:04<cipherboy>Could I chainload the iso's bootloader do you think?
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23:06<sney>cipherboy: the boot.img.gz here is the old usb installer. It boots itself, then finds an installer iso, and loads the system from that.
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23:07<sney>the old technique was, you'd uncompress it, mount it, then copy a netinst iso inside. It's pretty trivial to make one big enough for cd1
23:07<cipherboy>But that would require the end user to modify their .iso file, right?
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23:08<sney>cipherboy: nope
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23:33<chealer>achantrill: please answer on the channel unless the reply is private
23:34<chealer>achantrill: which diplay manager do you use?
23:34<cipherboy>Has anyone tried chainloading an iso with Grub2?
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23:38<achantrill>chealer: I use gnome
23:39<chealer>achantrill: so is it possible you use gdm (GNOME Display Manager)?
23:39<achantrill>chealer: I guess, how would I check?
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23:41<chealer>achantrill: is the gdm package installed?
23:42<achantrill>chealer: No, but gdm3 is
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23:44<chealer>achantrill: OK, according to what you told me your problem must be with gdm(3)
23:46<achantrill>chealer: That sounds very possible. Thank you.
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23:50<todd>Greetings all
23:50<achantrill>chealer: Based on your diagnosis, I see an option in /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults called /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds which was set to true. I just set it to false. I hope that works! Thank you.
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23:53<gsp2009>anyone know of a reliable, stable way of installing non-free extras? Codecs etc...
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23:53<sney>dmm has a reliable collection
23:53<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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23:54<gsp2009>sney... sweet, thanks.
23:54<sney>I don't know if there's a bundle metapackage, but you can generally trust what you get from there
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