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---Logopened Tue Jun 07 00:00:36 2011
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00:08*gsp2009 can finally breath... oh squeeze, how I love thee...
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00:41<gsp2009>why are some launchers being added to the menu on install? ie: Chrome, Google Earth, etc...
00:42<gsp2009>*not being added rather
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00:45<sney>nonstandard stuff doesn't always follow debian standards
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00:46<gsp2009>sney, so even if say Google has created a deb package for debian, there is a chance that it won't install a launcher?
00:46<gsp2009>not that it is a big deal...
00:46<th>yes, it's up to package author
00:47<I_am_deads>I have a question: How does DHCP work?
00:49<ZykoticK9>I_am_deads, not really a debian question is it.
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00:54<nebuhada>hello everyone )
00:55<Serren>hi. how do i change to freenode
00:55<nebuhada>did anyone run GNUnet?
00:55<sney>Serren: with /server
00:55<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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00:57<Serren>sney, i think im missing a command. i get no protocol error
00:58<sney>sometimes it's /connect
00:58<sney>depending on your client
00:59<nebuhada>needs help on GNUnet configuration
00:59<nebuhada>rather little help to point the direction
00:59<dpkg>GNUnet is a free software framework for secure peer-to-peer networking, that does not use any centralized or otherwise trusted services. It is an official part of the GNU project. Packaged for Debian, not included in Lenny's release. #gnunet on
01:00<nebuhada>thank you )
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01:46<Yossarian>hi guys
01:47<Yossarian>looks like i've really managed to brick my pc while installing fglrx driver
01:47<Yossarian>i was following this wiki:
01:47<Yossarian>now the system boots but gnome doesnt load, i only get a blinking cursor
01:47<Yossarian>i can switch to any other vt
01:48<Yossarian>to the command aticonfig --initial, i get "failed to link to"
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01:49<Yossarian>any ideas anyone? :(
01:49<th>Yossarian, do you want to go back to the free driver?
01:50<Yossarian>i'd prefer the proprietary one, but anything as long as i can get my system running again i suppose
01:51<Yossarian>i am noob :)
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01:53<th>please run: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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01:54<Yossarian>driver: fglrx
01:56<th>ok, there are at least 2 ways going back to the free radeon driver
01:56<th>you can try renaming xorg.conf to anything: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
01:57<th>then restarting gdm: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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01:58<th>oh, do that as root
01:58<Yossarian>the other?
01:58<th>the other is modifying xorg.conf and change fglrx to radeon
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01:59<Yossarian>hold on
02:00<Yossarian>renamed it, i have x now
02:00<Yossarian>any advice on how to install fglrx properly?
02:01<jm_>did you look in xorg log when the problem occurs? checked kernel messages?
02:01<Yossarian>i'm not really sure how to do that...
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02:02<jm_>it's a text file - ls -l /var/log/Xorg*
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02:02<jm_>it's probably the one named .old now
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02:02<Yossarian>ok, something else - i have no network connections now @_@
02:02<Yossarian>network manager disappeared
02:02<Yossarian>and i have no wifi
02:03<jm_>but it worked before?
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02:03<Yossarian>of course
02:03<jm_>what did you change since then?
02:04<Yossarian>just renamed xorg.conf
02:04<Yossarian>that is, except for messing up the system with the guide i mentioned
02:04<jm_>start with the basics - is driver loaded, does the interface exist, ...
02:05<Yossarian>how can i check?
02:05<Yossarian>sorry, i know i'm a handful
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02:06<jm_>lsmod; ifconfig -a
02:06<Yossarian>lspci find it, but i don't know about the driver
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02:08<Yossarian>not sure what i'm looking for, but seems ok
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02:10<jm_>put it on a pastebin
02:12<Yossarian>i think i screwed things up when i enabled the unstable repository
02:12<Yossarian>damnit, brb
02:13<jm_>well it certainly doesn't sound like a good idea based on your questions
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02:17<kenshamrock>hi all
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03:21<Rhonda>Someone know a good tool for producing a screencast? istanbul somehow is dysfunctional for me, recordmydesktop only is in sync when setting frame rate to 2 per second, …
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03:21<willemb>Hi. I see on dat there is a vulnerability out for unbound. It is supposedly fixed in lenny on and on other distributions on 1.4.4-1. I have lenny with 1.4.6-1~bpo50+1 and nothing is available if I try an apt-cache policy unbound. Does that mean I am ok?
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03:23<jm_>Rhonda: I use xvidcap
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03:24<Rhonda>jm_: That's not packaged, is it?
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03:24<jm_>Rhonda: it's in dmm
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03:25<Rhonda>So of dubious license … I prefer stuff within our own pool. :)
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03:25<jm_>it's GPL'd
03:26<MrFrood>Rhonda: it could be patent issues which may or may not apply in your location
03:26<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>.
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03:27<jm_>apt also finds byzanz - Small screencast creator
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03:28<Rhonda>Isn't that the thing that produces animated gifs?
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03:28<Rhonda>Oh, seems to be able to produce ogg too, only remebmered animated gifs at that time.
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03:42<eee>hello from nubie. need help
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03:43<eee>does anybody now anything about xubuntu?
03:43<EmleyMoor>eee: Other than that it's off topic here, no
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03:44<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
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03:49<dhubounig>hallo mitenan
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04:08<DebraBarone>I get the "sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz" error whenever I try to install Flash - how do I fix this?
04:08<DebraBarone>flashplugin-nonfree, I mean.
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04:16<th>DebraBarone, it seems that your problem is this:
04:16<th>you can wait until the package maintainer update the hash in the package
04:17<DebraBarone>th: That's a real shame. Thanks for the help. :)
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04:18<mdupont>hi all, I want to get out of ubuntu, and install debian. Any ways to do this without having to burn a cd, like using a chroot or something?
04:22<petemc>the install guide lists all the methods available
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04:22<mdupont>petemc, i have used that for setting up a chroot before
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04:22<mdupont>so, i guess to make a partition, mount it, chroot and debootstrap, then grub it_
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04:26<Peachy>I used to come here many yrs ago two brothers ran it one nick was chris and the other oh I can't remm and SubZero_ is the only one I seem to know here
04:26<mdupont>petemc, thanks. I am going to get out of ubuntu hell. omg. I used to use debian, now it is time to go back
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04:26<mdupont>every single upgrade i have done with u. has crashed.
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04:40<Guest3723>Hi guys, I am currently having a problem with my compiz installation. When I maximize windows, the contents of the window turn white, then when I restore the window the contents come back.
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04:47<nina>ghhehheeeeeey mensen
04:48<nina>willen jullie even nl's praten want anders snap ik er niks van
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04:48<Guest3724>aaaaah waarom heet ik nu guest
04:48<Guest3724>ik vind het wel grappig
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04:49<Guest3724>heeee linda
04:49<Guest3724>je zit naast me
04:49<Linda>heee nina ;p.
04:50<Guest3724>waarom heet ik in gods naam guest?
04:50<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
04:50<Guest3724>hallo daar ben ik weer, ik ben flip de beer, bij wie mag ik logeren? wie is dat deze keer?
04:50<Linda>Hallo daar ben ik weer, ik ben flip de beer.. bij wie mag ik logeren? wie is dat deze keeeerr..? BIJ MIJ FLIPPIE I LOVE YOU WJNMK BFF FOREVER WJNMK WE ZEGGEN LATERZ TEGEN HATERZZZZZZ. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
04:50<streuner_>thats dutch
04:50<streuner_>dpkg, nl
04:50<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
04:50<Guest3724>neee da snap ik alemaal niet
04:51<Linda>ja maar waar kan je die dan vinden
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04:51<Guest3723>Is it? Haha ok
04:51<Linda>dpkg waar moet ik dat dan vinden
04:51<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Linda
04:51<Linda>oh oke..
04:51<Guest3723>Anyway, I am currently having a problem with my compiz installation. When I maximize windows, the contents of the window turn white, then when I restore the window the contents come back.
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04:52<Guest3723>Does anyone know anything about what might be doing that and how I can fix it?
04:52<Linda>yo fy
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04:54<Linda>fuck you
04:55<|Frederi2>any ops present to kick this troll?
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04:56<Linda>doei quest 3724
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04:59<Guest3723>!op Linda
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04:59<Guest3723>I thought thats how they did it, oh well
04:59<Guest3723>!kick Linda
04:59*dpkg kicks Linda in the ass.
04:59<Guest3723>haha win
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05:00<cahoot>Guest3176, trying to overspam the troll?
05:01<cahoot>sorry meant for Guest3723
05:01<Guest3723>cahoot, no just !kick her
05:02<cahoot>well you just managed to spam the channel in even greater extent
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05:16<Renny>hey guys ... whats mean apache ? and for what use this app?
05:16<jm_>Renny: how about you read more here
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05:26<Guest3723>I am having a problem with compiz, the contents of my windows are constantly white. According to compiz's troubleshooting guide (, I need to upgrade my drivers, xgl and/or X Server. I think it is only the X Server that needs upgrading because I have the latest non-free drivers (got them from testing yesterday). I dont think its got anything to do with the drivers being from testing, so I
05:26<Guest3723> think its to do with the X Server. How would I go about upgrading the x-server?
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05:30<jm_>Guest3723: are you using testing?
05:30<Guest3723>Yes. I downloaded them and installed them yesterday.
05:30<mjt>somehow it's very unlikely that X server is at problem
05:30<jm_>no, I mean are you using testing in general, nto just for drivers
05:31<Guest3723>mjt: Ok.
05:31<Guest3723>jm_:No, only the testing drivers.
05:31<Guest3723>They work well otherwise
05:32<jm_>Guest3723: well then you'll need to add testing to sources.list and upgrade, but note that it will pull many other packages too
05:32<jm_>pull in
05:33<Guest3723>jm_: Sorry, but They were installed about 16 hours ago, why would I need to upgrade them?
05:33<jm_>Guest3723: I am not talking about drivers, but other X related packages, and no-one said you have to, it's your decision
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05:34<Guest3723>jm_: Ok, sorry. What other X related packages? How do I know what to upgrade?
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05:36<jm_>Guest3723: you don't need to care, apt will resolve dependencies for you if you try to install newer xorg (but like already mentioned, it's questionable where the problem really is ; the info you quoted is just a generic way to test newer packages)
05:36<Guest3723>so I just add testing to my sources.list then apt-get update?
05:36<gnugr>its enough
05:37<gnugr>no need to upgrade
05:37<jm_>apt-get udpate will onyl download list of available packages, you'll need dist-upgrade or safe-upgrade
05:37<jm_>or apt-get install foo and that will only pull in whatever is needed and keep the rest at old versions
05:38<Guest3723>do you suggest apt-get install foo then?
05:38<jm_>in any case, apt-get -s foo shall show you what will happen
05:38<jm_>to be honest, no - it's better to upgrade everything that end up with some half-upgraded system
05:38<jm_>than even
05:38<jm_>i'll be back in some 40min
05:39<Guest3723>ok thanks
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05:40<Guest3723>gnugr: When I run apt-get dist-upgrade it tells me there is nothing to upgrade
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05:42<gnugr>system is already upgraded
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05:43<gnugr>all you need is " aptitude update"
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05:43<shanet>gnugr: Thanks, so what do I do about the X server then? Does that say its already the latest version?
05:44<gnugr>you must know that with new kernel you got xserver is also upgraded
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05:44<shanet>ok thanks
05:45<shanet>So then it must be that my drivers are still in testing?
05:45<gnugr>drivers for what
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05:51<shanet>Nvidia drivers for my graphics card
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05:58<lee-0>shanet: There are Debian packages with nvidia drivers in testing.
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06:01<shanet>lee-0: Yes, I have those drivers however with compiz, when I maximise the window the contents turn white. On their troubleshooting page it says to update drivers, xgl and x server.
06:01<shanet>I am already running the latest of all of these/
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06:03<Arrowmaster>if you are using stable, the compiz version in stable is rather old
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06:05<shanet>Arrowmaster: I am. Should I update compiz then?
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06:06<Arrowmaster>update it to what, the version in stable is old
06:07<shanet>On their site there is 0.8.8 (March 30, 2011) or dev 0.9.4 (March 7, 2011). I could update off Compiz's website
06:07<Arrowmaster>likely to be a mess to attempt it unless you know what you are doing
06:09<shanet>Anyway I can see I have 0.8.4 installed, latest is 0.8.8. I guess Im never going to learn if I sit here doing nothing :)
06:09<shanet>I shall let you know how I go
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06:10<lee-0>shanet: Drivers are 27.41.19, which are probably the latest available. "Update your drivers" is mott no more than an extremely stupid excuse for "we don´t know anything" ...
06:11<shanet>lee-0: ok...
06:11<djesting>Hi, I have a new installation of php5 but when I ran phpinfo() I realized that I'm missing the ./libraries/ file. I used apt-get
06:12<shanet>djesting: Do you have php5-common package installed?
06:12<gnugr>shanet: please read this" "
06:12<djesting>I don't. That must be the problem. I wonder what other packages I missed
06:13<shanet>djesting: You require php5, php5-common and libapache2-mod-php5
06:13<djesting>what does this mean? "php-common set to manually installed"
06:14<djesting>sorry "php5-common set to manually installed"
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06:14<jm_>ok it seems only unmarkauto exists
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06:14<jm_>!tell djesting -about unmarkauto
06:14<lee-0>shanet: There might be a very few ppl using very old drivers, in general. Yet updating to more recent drivers doesn´t mean that things work any better, and it can be worse. Anyway, do you really need compiz?
06:14<babilen>djesting: It essentially means that it was installed before, but is now marked as manually installed. (As opposed to automatically installed as a dependency of another package)
06:15<shanet>lee-0: Do billionaires really need ferraris?
06:16<djesting>i have all 3 packages installed and I still get this error. I'm stumped
06:16<lee-0>shanet: If they have recent drivers ;)
06:16<shanet>lee-0: Nice :)
06:17<shanet>djesting: Have you looked to see if the file actually exists?
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06:18<djesting>I did 'find / -name libraries' and got nothing
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06:18<djesting>I went to /usr/share/php and there's no libraries or files
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06:18<babilen>,file libraries/
06:19<judd>libraries/ in squeeze/i386: phpmyadmin: usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/
06:19<djesting>I didn't install phpmyadmin yet
06:19<babilen>djesting: It would help to see the actual error → -- I (luckily) don't have to work with PHP and can not really help you, but I don't quite see what the actual error is you are trying to solve.
06:20<djesting>didn't know that was needed to run phpinfo()
06:20<jm_>it isn't
06:20<babilen>djesting: It might also be that this file is generated during the installation of a package though and therefore not present in the file lists.
06:21<shanet>djesting: You can find instructions for installing a full AMP package here:
06:21<babilen>djesting: I also doubt (hope !!!) that phpmyadmin is *not* needed for running PHP -- Ah, actually I am pretty sure, but you never know what php-devs come up with ;)
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06:22<shanet>babilen: It is not a requirement
06:22<djesting>my problem right now is that I thought I had installed php5 (apt-get install php5) and when I ran phpinfo(); in a script on my web root i got the error "Fatal error: require_once() [function require]: Failed opening required './libraries/' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear;) in /var/www/phpinfo.php on line 23
06:22<shanet>phpmyadmin is for managing mysql databases and is not affiliated with PHP
06:22<babilen>shanet: Yes, I know. It would horrible if that were the case.
06:23<shanet>babilen: That is true
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06:23<shanet>djesting: Did you download php5-common?
06:23<djesting>thanks shanet, babilen
06:23<shanet>no worries :)
06:24<jm_>who wrote /var/www/phpinfo.php?
06:24<djesting>I did 'apt-get install php5-common' and was told that it existed already
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06:24<shanet>djesting: Ok.
06:24<babilen>djesting: Are you running phpinfo() on the command line? If so, do you have php5-cli installed?
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06:25<djesting>jm_ I used something I had here from another project
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06:25<jm_>djesting: please put that file on some pastebin
06:25<djesting>I was calling phpinfo() from a script.
06:25<babilen>djesting: Please provide more info. What are you trying to achieve, what is installed, what errors do you get when you do what? →
06:25<jm_>djesting: or at least look what's in line 23 in it
06:26<babilen>djesting: You mean a script executed on apache2?
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06:26<shanet>jm_: phpinfo() Is accessed as a function, and is the only one you use in the script. Therefore the maximum amount of lines logically found in a phpinfo script would be 3
06:27<shanet>So therefore there would be no line 23
06:27<djesting>babilen, I was tryign to set up a LAMP server. As I wrote, i installed php5 thru apt-get and then like the tutorial said, called phpinfo() from a script in my web root. I got the error I typed out for you.
06:27<jm_>shanet: did you even read the error above?
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06:27<shanet>jm_:Yes, but you can not view line 23 because the script only has 3 lines
06:27<jm_>shanet: ahh sorry, I don't have mind reading skills so I can't possibly know that, unlike you
06:27<babilen>!tell djesting -about install php5
06:28<shanet>djesting: You did say that you do have the file?
06:28<djesting>jm_ there's no line 23. the script has one line on it: phpinfo();
06:28<djesting>babilen I dont' know what you wrote.
06:28<babilen>djesting: Huh?
06:28<jm_>djesting: where does line 23 come from then?
06:28<djesting>oh waite
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06:29<babilen>djesting: Why don't you make that a LAPP server instead? (linux, apache, python, postgresql) :-þ
06:29<djesting>babilen, because I need php
06:29<babilen>yes, please disregard that.
06:29<shanet>babilen: or a LAMP with Perl instead of PHP :P
06:29<shanet>djesting: Did you say you do actually have the file in question?
06:30<babilen>djesting: So, the apache module is installed and enabled? (as per dpkg's factoid)
06:30*babilen wants to see a pastebin with errors, configuration, scripts and *errors*
06:31<djesting>I will check the installed packages ina minute. shanet, I don't have the file it wanted. I'm going to try something else
06:31<jm_>apparently the files are top secret
06:31<shanet>djesting: Sure thing. I need to restart, I will not be long.
06:32<djesting>babilen, i don't think i can give you what you want. I'm using irc client on a laptop seperate from the machine I'm using to dial into the server
06:32<shanet>jm_: They contain personal data
06:32<shanet>be right back
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06:32<babilen>djesting: paste it from that machine in that case, i don't care where it is coming from :)
06:33<babilen>djesting: And once again: The apache module is installed and enabled, yes?
06:33<djesting>I'm trying something
06:33<djesting>apache module is installed. Not sure how to tell if it's enabled
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06:33<babilen>djesting: Check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
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06:34<djesting>php.load and php.conf are included
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06:35<djesting>I've got it working
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06:37<babilen>What was needed?
06:37<djesting>the person who said "what's up with line 23?" got me to actually look at the script, which was not what I thought I had uploaded
06:38<jm_>sometimes the errors are actualy useful
06:38<djesting>oh and I spent so much time on this. I feel like the guy who didn't check to see if the plug was in
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06:40<djesting>thank you everyone!
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06:46<jd823592>Hello, is debian going to switch to systemd too? Another question i would like to ask is: Debian install works package after package while other distros install whole image (which might be very quick, but probably lacks some features (like selection of packages to install)) .. are there other advantages of debian's approach?
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06:55<jm_>jd823592: maybe this will help somewhat
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06:58<jm_>jd823592: as for your other question - yeah I guess that is quicker, but I suppose it's the only advantage of such approach
06:58<jd823592>alright, thanks for answers :)
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07:26<headzone>hi. i installed sun-java6-jre in squeeze but java programs don't seem to be able to play sound. is there a way to tell java which alsa device to use?
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07:31<gnugr>headzone:do you have alsa-base installed?
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07:32<headzone>gnugr: sho' nuff
07:33<gnugr>headzone: alsa goes with kernel
07:34<headzone>alsa works fine, it's only java that can't play sound
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07:35<gnugr>headzone: what version you run
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07:35<headzone>version of what
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07:36<headzone>gnugr: squeeze, as i said
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07:41<gnugr>headzone: read this : might help you
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07:43<headzone>i did, but it didn't
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07:43<s1m0n> /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
07:44<gnugr>headzone: do you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list?
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07:45<headzone>gnugr: yes
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07:47<s1m0n>lenny -> squeeze second of the week - box (horrid unbranded old PC) didn't boot from 2.6.35 did from 2.6.22, as the options appear to be same in menu.lst I presume this is a kernel change. Probably I should just boot one of the spare DELL poweredges and use that as a firewall, but are there known not to work hardware here? The controller ISA/IDE is a common Intel one I see people using successfully so must be something else? PCI?
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07:49<jm_>where did you find 2.6.22 and 2.6.35 kernels?
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07:50<gnugr>headzone: are you sure you have alsa-base installed?
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07:51<headzone>gnugr: very sure
07:51<gnugr>headzone: check in synaptic if alsa-base is installed
07:51<headzone>does anyone have a better idea for getting sound to work in java than "install alsa-base"?
07:52<s1m0n>jm_: sorry my mistake - 2.6.32-5-686 bad 2.6.26-2-686 good - I have ths nagging suspicion that I had to beat this machine over some IDE oddity before it would let me use the CD ROM.
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07:52<headzone>also, if anyone has a pointer to a simple java sound test program that would be useful too
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07:52<jm_>s1m0n: ok, sounds like you may need to specify root=/dev/sdaX instead of root=/dev/hdaX - does it complain only about not being able to mount rootfs?
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07:53<tehKitten>I got an old laptop here which has a broken cd drive. On boot debian tries to load it in some way and tells me it is 'frozen'. How do I stop debian from loading that cd drive?
07:53<jm_>headzone: /usr/share/doc/sun-java6-jdk/demo/applets/Animator apparentrly
07:53<s1m0n>Yes it is mounting rootfs that is the problem. The upgrade step has written blkid in menu.lst, for both kernels.
07:54<jm_>try to pass root=/dev/sdaX to kernel then
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07:54<jm_>tehKitten: when does it do that?
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07:55<tehKitten>At boot, just after grub
07:55<jm_>tehKitten: maybe it's simplest to disable it in bios
07:55<tehKitten>I've already looked there, bios doesn't offer that option
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07:55<jm_>not even to disable the port it's on?
07:55<s1m0n>jm_: will try - will wait for my colleague to go to lunch - he'll get Internet deprived quickly when the firewall is down.....
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07:56<jm_>s1m0n: find out what the old setting is (look in fstab or grub.cfg/menu.lst) and simply replace hda with sda
07:56<jm_>fstab might no longer have it if you say it has been converted
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08:01<s1m0n>jm_: the conversion comments out the old values - so it was /dev/hda1 - quite surprised as far more complex upgrades have just worked.
08:01<s1m0n>jm_: guess that is hardware for you....
08:02<gnugr>headzone: check also if "alsa-oss" is installed
08:02<jm_>s1m0n: I also needed to do this last week
08:03<jm_>one option would be to blacklist CD driver modules, or see if they have modules to ignore given device
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08:03<jm_>ide-cd supports that
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08:19<kevin_>Is there anyway to undo apt-get build-dep?
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08:20<kevin_>Cleanly, that is?
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08:23<jm_>kevin_: apt-get purge them?
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08:26<ayaka>kevin_, you must what you have installed
08:26<munga>hello. if in bash I can write ls *.{a,b} , how can I write the same thing in dash ? (this example is simple, my my real problem is a tad more complex )
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08:28<kevin_>jm_ ayaka: Apt doesn't offer a utility to get rid of them?
08:29<ayaka>kevin_, no, but when you do it before you can pipe output
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08:29<jm_>kevin_: if you mean something like remove-build-dep then no
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08:29<jordanm>munga: what are you trying to do exactly?
08:30<cthuluh>munga: ls *.a *.b
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08:30<jordanm>if it is being written in a script, you don't want ls
08:30<tzafrir_laptop>I'm trying to figure out what's the lxc equivalent of linux-vserver's 'vserver $guest enter'
08:31<tzafrir_laptop>lxc-console seems to be close, ubt not quite
08:31<tzafrir_laptop>Specifically, I'm not really sure how to get it working wihout allocating TTYs to guests
08:31<jm_>munga: for simple cases like that ls *.[ab] or what jordanm wrote
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08:32<kevin_>jm_ ayaka: Do you know why apt doesn't offer a utility for this? Just curious.
08:32<ayaka>kevin_, I'm sorry I don't know
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08:33<jm_>kevin_: not really, my guess is that people who need this know how to uninstall such packages by hand
08:33<kevin_>jm_ ayaka: Alright. Thank you both for your help.
08:33<ayaka>kevin_, you're welcome
08:33<jm_>kevin_: maybe check if apt in unstable has some new features for it
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08:34<mkad>I cant build atlas on Debian sid
08:34<munga>jordanm, I'm writing a makefile and I've a number of files with different extension to copy around. The bash brace exampansion is handy, so I was wondering if there was a similar concise way of writing such an expression without listing explicitely all my files ...
08:34<mkad>anyone tried that?
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08:35<jordanm>munga: GNU make is not dash
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08:36<s1m0n>munga: the usual hack is "SHELL=/bin/bash" at the top of the make file, not what you wanted but....
08:36<jordanm>then its not really a makefile...
08:36<tzafrir_laptop>munga, a an aside: why ls and not just echo or whatever?
08:37<munga>jordanm, yes, but it uses the default shell ...
08:37<munga>s1m0n, yes ... hack hack hack :)
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08:39<jordanm>munga: either way, ls <glob> is not the way to go
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08:39<jordanm>munga: for i in *.a *.b; do ...
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08:40<munga>my real expression is something like for i in _build/common/common.{cmx,cmxa,cmxs,a,cmi,cma}; do
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08:41<munga>but in the directory I also have a file with extension .cmo that I want to exclude ...
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08:42<munga>I guess I'll expand my expression with the list of files...
08:42<munga>thanks for the link !
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08:43<cipherboy>!usb install
08:43<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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08:45<jordanm>munga: find _build/common/ -maxdepth 1 -type f -name 'common.*' -not -name 'common.cmo' -exec do_stuff {} \;
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08:47<cipherboy>Is there a tutorial on using the boot.img.gz + grub2 to load the install iso?
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08:49<sonu>hey hi prem
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08:50<ayaka>!tell cipherboy grub2
08:51<dpkg>[grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (GNU GRUB version 0.9x), currently in development. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (Open Firmware version). Manual: . See also <grub2 squeeze>, <grub2 config>, . #grub on
08:52<sonu>how to install android on ubuntu 11.04?
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08:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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08:53<Guest3729>sonu: android is a phone operating system, not a computer operating system.
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08:53<cipherboy>sonu: you can't install an OS on another. There IS an x86 port of android though.
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08:53<sonu>ohhhhh thanks guys i am new to this forum that's why asking silly questions
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08:54<cipherboy>sonu: -- load the iso in virtualbox.
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08:55<danielsh>the 'Browse VCS' link on is broken (404)
08:55<danielsh>how can I Find the correct link?
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08:57<amitz>sonu: and in irc, it's not polite to PM without warning.
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09:00<devil>i found a workaround to fix a bug for my dvb-t device in a ubuntu bugreport. the workaround is inserted to /etc/modpobe.d/option. i toched options and echoed the patch there. it does not do anything. is there a different file in debian to apply options? cant really find anything on the subject
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09:01<danielsh>tzafrir_laptop: thanks
09:01<|Frederi2>You reloaded the kernel module after changing the option? Otherwise, Debian uses a different kernel, so maybe these options do not have the same effect on Debian as on Ubuntu.
09:01<sonu>amit: ya
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09:03<sonu>why should i use debian over ubuntu?
09:03<devil>|Frederi2: i even rebooted
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09:03<tzafrir_laptop>sonu, if you ask here? sure :-)
09:03<jordanm>!tell sonu about why debian
09:04<sonu>ya the same i am asking from u?
09:04*tzafrir_laptop wonders if there's a better place to ask about lxc containers
09:04<devil>|its a simple option: options dvb-core dvb_powerdown_on_sleep=0 but its probably in the wrong place
09:04<Guest3729>sonu: I think ubuntu is good, but it does not support my wireless USB modem. That is what got me on debian :P
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09:06<Guest3729>sonu: I loved the experience of ubuntu, graphically, and almost have debian looking the same. The only thing I really miss with Ubuntu is the graphics and that it was slightly more user friendly imho
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09:08<sonu>hmmmm did u use latest ubuntu version ?
09:09<Guest3729>sonu: At the time, yes I did. I used 10.10, I am aware that 11 is released however that still has problems with my device. On study, I found that Ubuntu is infamous for problems like this.
09:10<sonu>i have been using ubuntu for 4 months now and i have gone through with many problems and that what i like most to sort out problem myself
09:10<Guest3729>However since switching, I have not had the problem. The IRC help here is brilliant.
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09:10<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
09:10<Guest3729>sonu: Would you like to discuss this in a pm?
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09:26<mkad>anyone tried to rebuid atlas on Debian sid?
09:26<mkad>it fails for me
09:27<jordanm>mkad: atlas?
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09:27<mkad>There is instruction in /usr/share/doc that specific for processor packages have been excluded because user should build package himself for his processor, I follow instructions but build fails
09:27<mandla>How can i join the asterisk channel?
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09:29<mkad>jordanm, yes atlas library providing api for common matrix algebra routines used in many many applications, one of such a implementions, by default libblas and lapack are used, there is also openblas another implementation, atlas is just another immplementation providing this API
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09:29<mkad>jordanm, and in the past it was possible to install packages with optimalizations for different CPU, generic packages are not very efficient
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09:31<jordanm>mkad: try pbuilder
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09:31<mkad>jordanm, I can try apt-build but that's not according to package instructions
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09:32<jordanm>mkad: so its not rebuilding the debian source package, but actually building the contents of the binary package?
09:32<mkad>jordanm, no I perform apt-get source and the I call debian/rules custom
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09:32<mkad>jordanm, according to README.Debian
09:33<mkad>jordanm, I am sure You have this library less /usr/share/doc/libatlas3gf-base/README.Debian
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09:33<jordanm>,version atlas
09:33<jordanm>,versions atlas
09:33<judd>Sorry, no package named 'atlas' was found in i386.
09:33<mkad>jordanm, libatlas3gf-base 3.8.4-2
09:33<babilen>mkad: It probably helps to see how the build fails. Could you paste a transcript of your session (commands+output) to ?
09:36<babilen>Ah, you are on sid (note that wheezy/sid is typically supported in #debian-next)
09:37<jordanm>mkad: I believe you left the important parts out of that report. its calling "make install" and not finding files it expects to be there, presumably because an earlier step in the build failed or did something unexpected
09:38<jordanm>also, it generally not recommended to compile packages as root, but that's another story
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09:39<mkad>jordanm, as far as I am aware of nothing failed
09:39<mkad>jordanm, but I can make a full log
09:39<mkad>jordanm, I am using fakeroot enviroment
09:40<jordanm>mkad: from what what I understand, fakeroot will not lower or escalate privs, but will fool some commands into thinking that they did not get a permission denied error
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09:43<jordanm>mkad: you could try this hack: add "custom" to the line: build: build-arch build-indep; dpkg-source -b dir/ to repack, then build with pbuilder
09:43<jordanm>mkad: my only idea
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09:47<mkad>jordanm, ok cleaned up maybe there was something messy there and I am trying to build user space in fakeroot which is recommened way the package one more time
09:47<mkad>jordanm, fresh source this time
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09:48<babilen>mkad: I'm trying to reproduce your error ... give me a sec
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09:48<mady>quoi de particulier
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09:49<babilen>But lets move this over to #debian-next as this applies to a version on sid and is build there
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09:49<mady>what ?
09:50<ayaka>I think the nvidia driver's deb version is worse than ofiice one, work bad with compiz
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09:51<slush>I want to use the ipaddress that dhclient retrieved from the dhcp server in interfaces, but I'm having trouble to find documentation about that
09:51<Guest3729>ayaka: Are you having problems with compiz using Nvidia drivers?
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09:51<ayaka>Guest3176, yes, but I think it's driver's problem
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09:53<ayaka>and when I open more than 20 tabs infirefox ,it become very slow, slower than I open 3 machine in vm
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09:55<ayaka>after I close it(save) reopen it become fast
09:55<Pitxyoki>ayaka, flash?
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09:55<Pitxyoki>Do you have flash on those pages?
09:55<ayaka>Pitxyoki, no no flash
09:56<Pitxyoki>That's notable.
09:56<Pitxyoki>20 tabs and no flash.
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09:57<ayaka>Pitxyoki, I think it's mem out strack
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09:57<Pitxyoki>How much ram do you have?
09:58<ayaka>Pitxyoki, 6G
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09:58<Pitxyoki>Do you mean it gets slow when you open *any* pages on those 20 tabs or some specific pages?
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09:59<ayaka>Pitxyoki, and in x64 mod, when I open more 20 tabs, the whole os become slowly
10:00<Pitxyoki>That's weird.
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10:00<ayaka>Pitxyoki, the top show xorg take 98% cpu time
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10:00<Pitxyoki>I have 20 pages on the current group + 19 others on other groups.
10:00<Pitxyoki>1GB of RAM.
10:00<Pitxyoki>No probs.
10:01<Pitxyoki>Oh, but not all tabs are loaded, yes.
10:01<ayaka>Pitxyoki, wait a hour, I have this problem after a hour
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10:02<Pitxyoki>Ok, I'll try on my laptop.
10:02<Pitxyoki>With 4GB of RAM.
10:02<Pitxyoki>All pages loaded.
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10:04<Pitxyoki>Do you know of the page load in background tricks?
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10:04<Pitxyoki>(but that shouldn't be necessary with 6GB of ram anyway)
10:04<Pitxyoki>btw, what version is that?
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10:07<ayaka>Pitxyoki, squeeze
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10:13<Pitxyoki>That's 3.0 or something, right?
10:14<Pitxyoki>I'm using 4.0.1, so I guess this can't be a fair comparison.
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10:15<ayaka>Pitxyoki, 3.5.16-7
10:15<ayaka>Pitxyoki, 4.0 is valuable in debian?
10:16<Pitxyoki>Or available?
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10:17<Pitxyoki>It's at the experimental distribution.
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10:29<ayaka>Pitxyoki, available yes
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10:30<ayaka>I have problem with cdemu it said Daemon autostart failed. Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited Process /usr/bin/ exited with status 255
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10:35<shanet>Hi guys, I just downloaded a bunch of *.deb files. I need to install the main one however it has a bunch of dependencies, which I also downloaded in the same folder. Is there a terminal shortcut to install them all, or do I have to install them one by one?
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10:36<streuner_>shanet: How about a own repo?
10:36<streuner_>shanet: /msg dpkg own repo
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10:37<gnugr>shanet: use " dpkg -i .deb * "
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10:37<shanet>gnugr: Thanks
10:38<babilen>shanet, gnugr: Shouldn't that be "dpkg -i *.deb" ?
10:38<shanet>babilen: I dont think so, it appears to be working
10:38<babilen>shanet: No error about the .deb ?
10:39<shanet>actually it just did, you may be right there babilen
10:39<streuner_>shanet: why did you download a bunch of deb, instead of dowload the debs via mirrors?
10:39<shanet>yes you were. Sorry about that :P
10:39<babilen>no problem :)
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10:39<gnugr>babilen: i use " dpkg -i .deb * " for a team of packages with .deb
10:40<shanet>streunner_: Codeblocks, off their website. I couldnt download it off software center and I didnt want to go looking for mirrors for one package so I thought it may be easier just to download the file off codeblocks website.
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10:40<shanet>I didnt realise there would be 15 *.deb files in there
10:40<streuner_>dpkg, listvals Codeblocks
10:40<dpkg>Factoid search of 'Codeblocks' by value returned no results.
10:40<shanet>But it is now working
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10:41<shanet>streuner_: So all I need to do is type dpkg, listvals packagename?
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10:42<babilen>shanet: no, dpkg is our bot here and streuner_ searched for factoids that mention "Codeblocks"
10:42<shanet>What area factoids?
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10:42<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
10:43<babilen>shanet: That is a factoid about factoids :)
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10:44<shanet>So factoids are database search results?
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10:45<babilen>shanet: Essentially short pieces of information we fed to the bot's database.
10:45<shanet>Ok, thanks.
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11:17<ananth123>im using xfce under debian.... im trying to enable the shutdown option while logging off but cant seem to find any info that works... can anyone help ?
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11:19<jordanm>ananth123: it will only work if you access xfce via a DM such as gdm
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11:19<jordanm>there may be work-arounds, but that is atleast the straight-foward way
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11:22<melbogia1>what is the root password for deblive?
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11:23<jordanm>melbogia1: try sudo -i
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11:24<melbogia1>jordanm: what would be the default password for "user" then? I am trying to ssh to a deblive machine
11:25<sney>you can just set one with 'passwd'
11:25<melbogia1>yes, but then I'll have to do that every time I boot into deblive
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11:26<ananth123>jordanm: i use slim....
11:26<sney>well, it's not intended as a persistent system. maybe you should consider installing debian on a usb drive or something.
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11:26<ananth123>i had it working earlier but after the reinstall i cant remember/figure it out how i did it last time
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11:50<ayaka>how to open x11 forward for gdm
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11:53<gnugr>ayaka: read this:
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11:54<ayaka>gnugr, no content
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11:59<shane_>ayaka: Refresh
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12:00<ayaka>shanet, it doesn't about that
12:01<shanet>What is it that you are trying to do?
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12:08<tharkun>Gentlemen good evening. What program can i use to log something to syslog? i read on an init.d bash script a mention to log_daemon_msg but i am unable to find more documentation on this particular program :(
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12:18<jhutchins_lt>tharkun: From bsdutils
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12:20<tharkun>jhutchins_lt: thanks reading the manpage now
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12:32<Yossarian>hi peeps
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12:32<Yossarian>i'm running fglrx driver and i'm getting considerable tearing both in games and v
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12:34<quant>hello, I've installed kde-config-gtk-style, but I still can't get gtk applications to have my kde theme, also, I could not find the gtk-qt-engine in testing (only in sid and stable) - I'm getting no response in #debian-next
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12:39<Yossarian>hi everyone, i'm running fglrx driver and i'm getting considerable tearing both in games and video
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12:41<devil>Yossarian: we read you, if someone can help, they will
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12:42<Yossarian>ok, sorry, didn't mean to spam :)
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12:58<gnugr>Yossarian: do you have multimedia in your sources.list?
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13:17<tim_>I'm having an issue with my keyboard layout. It's typing different letters, but I can't get through GDM to change it anywhere. I can't even figure out how to drop into a TTY. How do I get access to a terminal before x starts up?
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13:18<shanet>tim_:To drop it into TTY at grub, choose recovery mode.
13:19<shanet>To change the layout, go System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layout
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13:20<tom_>I have noticed some odd behaviour using rsync. when using "sudo rsync -av / /pathto/backup/" directories in my home folder are created with root permissions initially then changed later. Has anyone else noticed this?
13:20<shanet>!tell tim_ about pm
13:20<dpkg>pm is, like, private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance, or ask me about <private>
13:21<gnugr>tim_: try " dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration "
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13:22<tom_>(btw, the reasons I am interested is that I was using --link-dest to create system snapshots. I am concerned that if rsync is interrupted it might cause problems for future snapshots).
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13:22<mjt>so either complete or remove the broken snapshot
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13:26<tim_>I can't stop yaboot from booting X11. Is there a command to stop it midboot?
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13:26<tom_>I could, but this was going to be run with a cron job. I had thought that a virtue of the link-dest option would be that although the snapshot would be incomplete, some changes would be propagated, which the next backup would start from. so, in theory, any of the snapshots could be restored and would work.
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13:29<tim_>I think my problem is that X thinks I have a different keyboard layout than the regular terminal. But I can't drop to a TTY when I'm in GDM because the control key types 0. I can't stop yaboot to manually edit the config file, either. Any suggestions?
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13:30<retrospectacus>ssh in and use update-rc.d to disable gdm
13:32<retrospectacus>or insserv instead of update-rc.d
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13:32<tim_>rectrospectacus: I can't ssh in because I don't have ssh setup/installed on my computer with the keyboard problems. I have to drop to a terminal, but I can't get it to do that.
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13:57<tharkun>Gentlemen is there a way to change uid of a normal user without deleting the user first and then adding it again?
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13:57<gsp2009>I installed pkg metacity-themes, and they were installed to /usr/share/themes but they don't show up in the appearance prefs. Any ideas?
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14:21<Akulath>Having an issue boot Debian after install (black screen after post) can someone assist?
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14:23<workstation>Hello, does someone know of setting up whole disk encryption during the live install of xubuntu 11.04 not the alternate version though. Thanks in advanced.
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14:24<themill>workstation: #ubuntu on might know.
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14:24<workstation>Thank you "themill."
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14:25<hackerpk>hello everyone
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14:26<Akulath>Requesting assistance, anyone?
14:26<devil>Akulath: maybe provide some more info
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14:26<devil>like: what debian version, what gfx card....
14:27<Akulath>6.0.1a - Onboard ASUS M/B
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14:29<devil>that says nothing on the gfx card
14:31<Akulath>S3 Graphics UniChrome Pro IGP integranted into an ASUS P5VD2-MX SE
14:31<devil>ouch :)
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14:31<Akulath>Frankly, once I get it setup for SSH, I'll remove the monitor, so something to get me through setup
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14:32<devil>what do you see last?
14:33<Akulath>Computer posts - Hardware stats - Black screen, almost think I see something blinking to the left (a _), but it won't accept input
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14:33<devil>so, no grub?
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14:34<devil>how did you install?
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14:35<Akulath>netinstall with small CD (180 MB)
14:35<Akulath>i386 if that matters..
14:35<devil>if that went ok, i have no clue, sorry :(
14:36<Akulath>I gotcha. I do appreciate you.
14:36<devil>there is really nothing you can do other than install again
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14:37<devil>with a black screen after post, that leaves you zero opportunities
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14:56<ayaka>which program can tell me which program is reading disk?
14:57<PeterNL>Hi, I have problems with fswebcam and/or v4l2. I set fscam to take a pic everysecond and that works for a few minutes but then it fails:
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14:57<retrospectacus>ayaka: atop can
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14:57<ayaka>retrospectacus, thank you
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14:58<retrospectacus>it's like top or htop but you can press d to make it show disk usage by process
15:02<devil>ayaka: besides that there is iotop
15:02<ayaka>so much top
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15:25<danielsh>I've removed some packages yesterday and now 'lock screen' (from gnome) doesn't work (there is no error message),
15:25<danielsh>what package do I need to reinstal to make it work?
15:25<danielsh>Is it one of ?
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15:28<danielsh>(that list is from dpkg logs... and only 'gnome' and 'ngome-themes-extra' seem relevant from the descriptions)
15:28<cirzgamanti>hi, i vaguely remember that exchanging gij for the sun/oracle java helps when a java program doesn't run. which package should i install?
15:30<cirzgamanti>and which one uninstall? i think i found sun-java6-jre (had been looking for something starting with oracle)
15:30<danielsh>cirzgamanti: there are packages called gij-* that seem relevant
15:31<cirzgamanti>i don't have those
15:31<danielsh>cirzgamanti: dpkg -S or update-alternatives (or dpkg-reconfigure) should tell you what the to-remove packages are called
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15:31<PeterNL>Hi, I have problems with fswebcam and/or v4l2. I set fscam to take a pic everysecond and that works for a few minutes but then it fails:
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15:31<danielsh>cirzgamanti: i A gij-4.3 - The GNU Java bytecode interpreter
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15:33<cirzgamanti>i'm on debian testing, and i don't have this package, although it says it's a virtual package when i try to remove it (and that it can't be removed)
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15:36<cirzgamanti>ok, it's gcj-*
15:37*danielsh on stable
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15:38<danielsh>hmm. Re my problem, gnome-screensaver is still installed...
15:38<cirzgamanti>thanks for the tip with dpkg -S, that provided the solution :)
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15:44<damian_>hello guys , im looking for a way to capture video and sound of my webcam i'v tryed cheese and i can seem to edit or open the file , or even up load it to youtube ? any idears ?
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15:47<damian_>or how to convert a cheese video in to a mp4 or somthink?
15:48<retrospectacus>what is a "cheese video"?? (avi? mpg?)
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15:49<retrospectacus>you can use mencoder or ffmpeg to convert video. I've not uploaded to youtube but I would think it would accept whatever cheese makes
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15:53<cirzgamanti>my resolv.conf still gets emptied every time i reboot (debian testing). i'm a bit bored of adding "nameserver" by hand every time i boot, what could i try to stop this?
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15:54<retrospectacus>your dhcp is supposed to provide that
15:54<damian_>its a .ogv video ,
15:55<cirzgamanti>it worked fine before an apt-get update some weeks ago.
15:55<cirzgamanti>if it's always, can't i just disable checking for it?
15:55<dpkg>from memory, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
15:55<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp{,3}/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
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15:57<cirzgamanti>!override dns
15:57<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (/etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf on squeeze), or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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16:22<lee-0>Can I ask about gnus in this channel?
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16:22<dpkg>well, gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System. #gnu on
16:22<kop>lee-0: Is it a debian support related question?
16:22<Hydroxide>lee-0: if you're using debian's version of gnus on debian, yes. though the people paying attention may or may not have used it, depending on who they are
16:22<lee-0>Nemoder_: not gnu, gnus
16:23<Hydroxide>(I haven't, for example)
16:23<lee-0>Hydroxide: Well, yes, I´m trying to use gnus on Debian.
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16:23<lee-0>I´m trying to use it with email stored maildir format, and I don´t get any messages displayed.
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16:24<Hydroxide>lee-0: ah, yeah, well certainly you can ask that here, but I don't know the answer. if nobody else answers, try a gnus-specific mailing list or IRC channel
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16:25<lee-0>Hydroxide: I tried other channels, and they are rather emtpy :( There´s supposed to be one on freenode, and I was banned from freenode yesterday because they have their email servers misconfigured and I pointed that out.
16:25<Hydroxide>lee-0: I have no knowledge of that incident and I'm not a freenode staffperson, so I can't help with that, sorry. but gnus does have a mailing list at least.
16:26<babilen>lee-0: You probably find a couple of gnus user in either #gnus or #emacs over at freenode.
16:26<Hydroxide>lee-0: speaking generally and without knowing what you did, often the manner in which you point something like that out strongly affects the reaction
16:26<lee-0>babilen: Like I said above, I was banned from freenode, so I won´t go there.
16:27<lee-0>Hydroxide: I know, and I did nothing wrong.
16:27<babilen>lee-0: Join #freenode and try to resolve the matter. It also depends on who banned you, but we can do very little about it.
16:27<Hydroxide>babilen: he'll probably have to resolve it via email if he's banned from freenode...
16:27<Hydroxide>lee-0: if you did nothing wrong, then I wish you the best of luck in resolving your freenode access via their prescribed mechanisms, whatever they are. separately, try using the gnus email list
16:28<lee-0>babilen: I know you can´t do anything about it. I tried to resolve the problem in #freenode over there and was banned.
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16:28<lee-0>Hydroxide: Yeah, I´ll try the mailing list, thanks!
16:28<Hydroxide>lee-0: good luck.
16:29<Hydroxide>certainly for people who are banned from OFTC, we have an email address they can contact to try to resolve the issue. freenode probably does too.
16:29<babilen>Hydroxide: Ah, I thought being banned from specific channels not from the entire network.
16:29*Hydroxide nods at babilen
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16:33<ompaul>it does
16:33<lee-0>I don´t know if I´m banned from the entire network.
16:33<ompaul>lee-0: can you /server and get anywhere?
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16:34<ompaul>lee-0: this is unlikely to get you friends don't you think: because they have their email servers misconfigured and I pointed that out.
16:34<ompaul>it is not what but how
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16:36<lee-0>ompaul: They require you to register your nick if you want to join certain channels. To get it registered, you need to receive email from them. The email they sent was denied because they have a wrong RDNS record. I don´t want to have anything to do with freenode anymore.
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16:38<ompaul>lee-0: that is where gnu lives so I guess you can cut your nose off to spite your face
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16:39<samuel>Anyone available to help create a binary package that depends on another binary packages' private libraries, all in the same source package?
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16:39<lee-0>ompaul: Well, yes, it´s unfortunate --- enough said ...
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17:19<tharkun>Gentlemen i need to move a lot of users uid and gid to the propper values (some newby decided on giving a hand) is there a command to help me achieve this or is it the only way by editing /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?
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17:39<jenders>hi folks
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18:08<zero_>hi i have a notebook with nvidia graphics (that dont work well) can i use some "safe video mode"?
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18:11<devil>zero_: what is safe video mode?
18:11<cthuluh>something like vesa
18:11<zero_>i guess so
18:11<cthuluh>or uvesa
18:11<zero_>for example
18:11<cthuluh>ask dpkg about it
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18:11<devil>zero_: what driver are you using now?
18:11<zero_>nvidias one
18:12<devil>the proprietary one?
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18:14<devil>and what does not work well?
18:14<zero_>the video card dont work well under windows too
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18:14<zero_>in windows without driver installed it work well
18:14<devil>ah, i see.
18:14<zero_>but with full acceleration it overheat
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18:15<devil>well, as cthuluh said, there is vesa
18:15<devil>its limited in possible resolutions though
18:15<zero_>how can i configure it?
18:16<zero_>in xorg.conf?
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18:16<cthuluh>yup, probably
18:16<devil>zero_: remove the proprietary driver. you could also try nouveau
18:17<zero_>see, when i start x, it says some about nouveau
18:18<devil>how well that works depends on the card. could be lots better than vesa
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18:18<haphzrd>which nvidia card is it?
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18:19<zero_>GeForce go 6100
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18:21<zero_>always remeber
18:21<zero_>i'm talking about a HARDWARE FAILURE on the card
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18:22<devil>zero_: all you can do is ty
18:22<devil>try, even
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18:23<zero_>under windows in safe mode (or normal mode withouth driver istalled) it works "well"
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18:24<zero_>i though under linux it can
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18:25<haphzrd>nouveau should run it without acceleration I think
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18:39<jerryclunsford>Is there an easy way (or easy to understand tutorial) to set up exim4 for login authorization to send mail?
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18:40<streuner_>MTA's arent easy
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18:43<lee-0>jeremyb: Exim has great documentation, which also covers authorization.
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18:51<zero_>cd /etc/X11/
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18:52<jhutchins_lt>I'm just amazed at the people who think a public mailserver should be as easy to run as MS Outlook.
18:52<Black_Prince>jhutchins_lt, sometimes running mail server is easier as running MS Outlook ...
18:52<jhutchins_lt>I was taking security seriously when I first set one up back in RH2.1. I almost got fired for trying to get UHC's IT department to start filtering spam in 2003.
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18:53<jhutchins_lt>Black_Prince: Yeah, but some of these people think it should just be point, click, done.
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18:54<Black_Prince>I'd like that too ... But no way it's that easy ...
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18:57<lee-0>That´s the fun thing with MTAs: They are basically extremely easy, and they can get more complicated then one can imagine.
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18:57<streuner_>we dont need another open relay
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18:58<jhutchins_lt>I wouldn't. I want to understand what's going on and be in control of it.
18:58<goosfancito>some body help with gedit
18:58<streuner_>there are too many out there
18:58<jhutchins_lt>rassid frassid wifi...
18:58<Black_Prince>jhutchins_lt, you need wi-fiagra for your wi-fi to stay up :)
18:58*jhutchins_lt goes to get the bigger hammer.
18:59<MrFrood>goosfancito: you need to be more specific
18:59<daemonkeeper>The really complicated thing about a MTA isn't the configuration itself, but all the components you need to configure along, starting with authentication (SASL, ...) to the MDA
18:59<goosfancito>y need make command to duplicate one line in gedit
19:00<grummund>How can i programatically (from a bash script) check if the last line of a file is terminated with \n ?
19:00*grummund thinks there must be an easy way with sed perhaps
19:01<lee-0>grummund: What do you consider as a line?
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19:01<grummund>tail would get the last line i suppose, but then how to test for \n ?
19:01<cthuluh>something that is terminated by a newline :P
19:01<grummund>cthuluh: quite :P
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19:01<cthuluh>you should ask #bash on freenode, you know
19:02<daemonkeeper>tail -c 1 file?
19:02<lee-0>tail and grep, probably
19:02<cthuluh>that's a possible way
19:02<daemonkeeper>Test the output for "\n"
19:02<goosfancito>for example. y write one line and make [control + C] then [control + v]. i like make one macro to make in one step
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19:04<daemonkeeper>echo -e "a\nb\n" | tail -c1 - | xxd <- seems to work. But see cthuluh, this is not #bash
19:05<lee-0>grummund: You´re asking for a "last line of a file". You could consider, for example, /bin/ls as a file.
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19:05<lee-0>However, I wouldn´t usually say that /bin/ls has "lines".
19:06<grummund>it's not strictly bash either... the purists will molest me is i ask that there :P
19:06<lee-0>Yet the last byte of it could very well be a /n :)
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19:06<cthuluh>the most portable way I can think of is sed -n '$p' | tr -dc '\n' | tr '\n' x | grep -q x
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19:06<cthuluh>tail -c1 makes thing easier
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19:07<lee-0>tail -c1 $(which ls)
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19:08<lee-0>so is the last line of $(which ls) terminated with /n?
19:08<Axalon>I've got a question about installing Iceweasel 4 in Debian Testing
19:08<daemonkeeper>Well, that was not part of the exercise, lee-0. Binary files are a bit different
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19:08<Axalon>I found this site and plan to use the instructions there, I don't think I'll have a problem with getting it installed
19:09<cthuluh>then do it
19:09<daemonkeeper>Axalon: Note you shall ask those questions in #debian-next
19:09<lee-0>daemonkeeper: grummund asked for the "last line of a file". /bin/ls is a file.
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19:09<daemonkeeper>lee-0: No he was asking whether the last line ends with a new line.
19:09<cthuluh>I think the test is just 'does the file end with a newline?'
19:09<daemonkeeper>Whatever a new line is in this context.
19:10<cthuluh>hmmm. a newline character is quite well defined
19:10*streuner_ is searching for popcorn
19:10<grummund>lee-0: only needs to work with text files... :P
19:10<lee-0>daemonkeeper: That´s what I mean, he didn´t specify what he considers as a line.
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19:10<lee-0>grummund: Ah, ok :)
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19:11<grummund>actually, i have thought of a better way....
19:11<grummund>for X in *.c; do echo >> "$X"; done
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19:11<grummund>sorted :P
19:12<lee-0>grummund: tail -c 1 file |grep '\n'
19:12<daemonkeeper>lee-0: Its not relevant. Whatever the last line is in the context of a binary it will surely end with a character, being \n or not which satisfies grummunds requirements. But well, we're getting really off-topic here
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19:12<cthuluh>lee-0: grep works on lines
19:12<cthuluh>therefore it strips the newline before doing matching
19:13<lee-0>cthuluh: you´re right, so he can´t use grep reliably
19:13<lee-0>daemonkeeper: Imagine a file that contains a mixture text and binaries ...
19:13<cthuluh>lee-0: see what I wrote earlier
19:14<daemonkeeper>lee-0: Still not relevant, since the byte in question is the last byte, irrelevant of the line it is present. The "line" concept is pure abstract for binary files as you said.
19:15<daemonkeeper>Every further discussion -> #debian-offtopic :)
19:15<lee-0>cthuluh: Hm, I don´t know sed very well. What if the result from the sed command piped to grep isn´t a line?
19:15<lee-0>daemonkeeper: ok
19:16<cthuluh>lee-0: it will always be a line 8)
19:16<cthuluh>what do you want it to be? 8)
19:16<daemonkeeper>Please, discuss this in #d-offtopic
19:16<cthuluh>hehe, true
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19:36<capitan>i've been noticing weird audio artifacts after a recent update... it seems to be codec-related because pandora radio shows it, but youtube doesn't... is there a fix for this?
19:37<capitan>ah... i'm on squeeze
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19:38<capitan>and i've got debian-multimedia repositories in my configuration
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19:38<capitan>tzafrir, why's the name sound so familiar?
19:38<capitan>ah... you're the voip guy :)
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20:04<user01>hmmm is it just me or does my gnome weather thing say that san andres colombia is 192 degrees fahrenheit presently . . .
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20:06<abrotman>is that wrong?
20:06<user01>abrotman, thought maybe there was a volcano there
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20:07<abrotman>remove it, re-add it?
20:08<user01>i pressed update and the same temperature
20:08<abrotman>try another town ?
20:08<user01>i was just curious what the reading was for that island for other people
20:09<user01>of theirs said 192 degrees too
20:09<user01>for san andres colombia
20:10<user01>the other cities seem ok
20:10<user01>192.2 F - feels like 168.7 F it says
20:11<abrotman>it's possible the weather station is malfunctioning
20:11<user01>it says last updated in 1900
20:11<user01>Tues Jun 7
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20:12<user01>i was just wondering if anyone else added weather report for that city and saw the same values
20:13<abrotman>find a website that uses that weather station
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20:14<user01>abrotman, on wunderground it says this station is not reporting
20:14<abrotman>user01: i have the same issue .. it's broken, it's not you
20:14<user01>maybe there was a volcano
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20:16<quant>flashplayer-nonfree is currently not working (ERROR: sha512sum) - what's the procedure to install from the adobe site? there isn't a deb package option there
20:16<abrotman>quant: which version of Debian ?
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20:17<quant>abrotman: both wheezy and stable
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20:17<abrotman>quant: they recently updated the package, and there aren't new packages yet .. do you have it installed currently ?
20:17<quant>abrotman: I know... no, I don't...
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20:18<abrotman>quant: you can maybe try .. i don't think bartm has updated the Debian packages yet
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20:18<quant>abrotman: any idea on how to make the tar.gz from the adobe site work?
20:19<quant>it decompresses into a file and a usr directory with many files inside
20:20<abrotman>quant: you can put it in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ or whatever it is .. and then later remove it when the proper packages work
20:20<quant>I'll try, ty
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20:21<streuner_>there is a deb package from adobe...
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20:22<quant>streuner_: where?
20:23<streuner_> :-)
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20:23<quant>streuner_: give yum, tar.gz and rpm and apt for ubuntu
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20:25<streuner_>oh, flashplayer is flashplugin-nonfree (contrib)
20:25<quant>streuner_: I've just explained above that the package is not updated, because there's a new version of the flash player out
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20:25<quant>streuner_: so you cannot install it
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20:26<Arrowmaster>still works for me
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20:27<Arrowmaster>or i should say 'flashplugin-nonfree' still works, the actual flashplayer is extremely broken though
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20:27<streuner_>makes sense
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20:27<streuner_>they dont give a damn about Linux...
20:27<quant>ok, I've just tried it: ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
20:28<quant>try to remove it and then try to install again and you won't be able to
20:28<Arrowmaster>yeah the 64bit version hasnt been updated in over 7 months
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20:29<quant>abrotman: copying did work, ty
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20:31<abrotman>streuner_: that .deb is NOT for Debian
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20:32<Digger1967>What is it your trying to do quant?
20:32<streuner_>tell us news :-)
20:32<Arrowmaster>its not even a deb, its a special link that will only work on ubuntu
20:32<quant>Digger1967: install proprietary flash, and I've succeded
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20:37<streuner_>(which sucks btw too...)
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20:38<streuner_>its 9.4, and outdated now...
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20:38<streuner_>version 10x is available, but not for Linux...
20:39<streuner_>so it works for most sites, but not for all
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21:15<capitan>Arrowmaster, sorry so late, but what do you mean "broken"? Is that maybe what my sound issue has to do with?
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21:16<Arrowmaster>with 64bit flash? it just doesnt work at all on some sites
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21:19<capitan>ah :-/... maybe it's b/c i'm on debianmultimedia that it mostly works, but with sound pops and squeaks...
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22:08<Digger1967>greetings alqaysar
22:08<alqaysar>how r u
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22:09<Digger1967>Doing well, just getting debian installed on the server at home
22:09<alqaysar>greetings to you
22:09<alqaysar>good for you
22:10<Digger1967>Runs great - just getting some stuff installed/uninstalled
22:12<alqaysar>this is my first time in this chat
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22:12<Digger1967>Mine as well, though I do get on IRC a bit this is the first time I've chatted here in #debian
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22:14<alqaysar>how can i open another sever?
22:15<Digger1967>If your using Xchat it's Xchat, network list
22:15<alqaysar>thank you
22:15<alqaysar>found it
22:15<Digger1967>No problem at all, happy to be of help
22:16<alqaysar>using ubuntu?
22:17<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right click the following link and choose connect. irc://
22:17<Digger1967>Nope, I use a couple of different distro's here
22:18<Digger1967>But not ubuntu
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22:20<Digger1967>Tried it, didn't really care for it myself. Liked Debian's apt-get much better, and the security linux thing on fedora just made things a royal pain
22:20<sney>alqaysar: this is the official support channel for the Debian operating system. If you don't have a support question, there are lots of other channels where you can go.
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22:23<astronut>does /boot on an mdadm raid1 work with grub2?
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22:24<sney>I believe it can.
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