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---Logopened Wed Jun 08 00:00:44 2011
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00:28<kouche>hi there
00:28<kouche>i have a debian 6 on my vps server
00:29<kouche>and i need to run openswan ipsec vpn server on it
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00:29<kouche>i installed ipsec-tools
00:29<kouche>and openswan
00:30<kouche>packages using apt pack man
00:30<kouche>but when i want to start ipsec service
00:30<kouche>i will get this error:
00:31<kouche>ipsec_setup: No KLIPS support found while requested, desperately falling back to netkey
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00:31<kouche>ipsec_setup: Even NETKEY support is not there, aborting
00:31<kouche>any idea?
00:31<sney>I've only used openvpn, but normally there is more configuration you must do before starting the vpn
00:32<kop>kouche: You got the packages from the debian repos? (Just curious.)
00:32<kouche>yes kop
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00:33<kop>kouche: Assuming you know how to configure it, which I don't, there's also readme.debian.
00:33<kouche>sney i got openswan book from amazon
00:33<kop>!tell kouche about readme.debian
00:34<kouche>thank you kop
00:34<kouche>i'll try it
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00:37<astronut>ok, i understood menu.lst decently well but WTF is this grub2 stuff?
00:38<sney>it is more powerful.
00:38<kop>astronut: Not so bad if you give up control.
00:38<astronut>and amazongly cryptic
00:38<astronut>kop: i'm just trying to figure out what i need to do to move my /boot to a raid0
00:39<sney>it's just under-documented
00:39<astronut>i should probably have looked at it before the beer but that's not the point
00:39<kop>astronut: I haven't figured it out yet, but I think that /etc/default/grub is where most of the action is. (The info pages are, uh, verbose.)
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00:40<astronut>man, i get enough underdocumented spaghetti code that no one understands at work
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00:41<kop>astronut: It seems to do the right thing (tm) which means I've not paid it the attention it deserves.
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00:42<astronut>ok, i'm putting this off till later
00:42<astronut>i still have another disk to fail over anyway
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00:44<kop>astronut: raid0 is pretty transparent to everything, it just being a mirror. Worst case you update the mbr in both disks (and perhaps have some sort of fallback in the config for after the initial boot. Dunno.)
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00:45<astronut>i thought you need to hint grub since it has to read the superblock, etc
00:45<astronut>i have a 4 disk array
00:45<astronut>it has a /boot on one and the rest is all a raid 5
00:46<astronut>i'm moving to bigger disks so i can fix that /boot
00:46<kop>astronut: Because it's a mirror then the superblocks are all in the same place.
00:46<astronut>so i plan to have 2 of the 4 raid1 the /boot, and the other 2 raid0 a ramdisk then raid5 the rest
00:46<th>i think the best one is the pretty gfx mode
00:46<astronut>does grub/initramfs kernel know how to parse it?
00:48<kop>astronut: Grub knows ext3. I forget the details. grub2 is even smarter.
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00:53<astronut>kop: talking about the raid metadata not the ext3 block
00:54<kop>astronut: Dunno. grub2 knows raid, but shouldn't need to see any raid1 metadata except for funzies.
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01:00<astronut>looks like i need to make sure my set root line is correct
01:00<astronut>and it should theoretically be inferred
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01:34<pacun>hola people
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01:36<pacun>alguien de el salvador
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02:06<Guest3848>dear all looking for a solution on my Debian 6.0 Server
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02:09<Guest3848>when I do a upgrade I got
02:09<Guest3848>apt-get upgrade
02:09<Guest3848>Reading package lists... Done
02:09<Guest3848>Building dependency tree
02:09<Guest3848>Reading state information... Done
02:09<Guest3848>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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02:40<Dillinger>I have a question about installing a kernel, is this the correct channel to ask?
02:43<th>perhaps, just ask
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02:44<Dillinger>Well I'm trying to install the Liquorix kernel. I added the repo to my sources.list and installed the keyring, but when I try to install the kernel I keep getting an error that reads "linux-headers-2.6-liquorix-amd64:
02:44<Dillinger> Depends: linux-headers-2.6.38-7.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 (=2.6.38-10) but it is not installable"
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02:45<Dillinger>I've used Debian before, but just came back to it. I've never had that problem before when trying to install the kernel
02:45<jm_>we only support debian packages here
02:45<Dillinger>Ah well shit, I was hoping this being a Debian channel, someone would know
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02:46<dpkg>Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages ( are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. . Not to be confused with <Xen>.
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02:46<jm_>zen page has this: - #zen-sources
02:47<Dillinger>Alright, I'll see if I can figure something out.
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03:17<classical>Hey guys :))
03:17<jww_>hi classical .
03:17<classical>My lock screen does not work i have no idea why where can i search for reason ?
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03:22<th>classical, xlockmore?
03:23<classical>what do you mean ? i have gnome
03:23<classical>debian squeeze 6.0.1
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03:26<th>oops, i thought you were using xlockmore to lock the screen
03:26<th>how do you invoke the screen lock?
03:26<classical>i just click it
03:27<classical>its under system
03:27<classical>in gnome, but when i click on it
03:27<classical>nothing happens
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03:28<th>please open a terminal and run this: pgrep gnome-screensaver
03:28<classical>i dont know where i can search the ptoblem
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03:29<classical>nothing happens
03:30<th>i see
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03:30<th>now run this: gnome-screensaver in the terminal
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03:31<th>are there any error msg printed in the terminal after running gnome-screensaver?
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03:34<cafenet>gey guys is there any apps for HDD recovery?
03:34<dpkg>TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. See also <photorec>.
03:34<th>it can't contact gconf via dbus, weird..
03:35<classical>what can i do now ?
03:36<th>did the lock button work before?
03:37<classical>it did
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03:38<th>and did anything happen just before it stopped working?
03:38<th>perhaps packages upgrade/installation/removal
03:38<classical>i cant remember what i might do which could mess with this :(
03:38<th>or changing various preferences in gnome
03:39<classical>are you offer me to reinstall whole gnome ? :)
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03:40<th>to narrow down the possible causes
03:40<th>you may want to try to create a new user account
03:40<th>and try logging in to that account and try the lock
03:40<th>if it works there, it means it's just something in your home directory
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03:41<classical>ya this seems to be a good idea thanks th
03:41<th>pardon me for using this method since i'm not familiar with gnome
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03:44<classical>nope its quite cool
03:44<classical>i will try
03:44<classical>thanks :)
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03:47<chinnappan>any free tool for mbox to PST?
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03:49<chinnappan>any free tool for mbox to PST?
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03:54<cmn>hey, is there any way to get `cat' to output the NUL bytes from a file?
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03:55<th>-v ?
03:55<mjr>output how?
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03:55<jm_>cmn: cat outputs null bytes just fine
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03:56<th>cat -v /dev/zero results in infinite ^@
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03:56<th>cat -v /dev/zero ... nothing
03:56<cmn>th: no, I want the actual NUL
03:56<th>i mean cat /dev/zero ... nothing
03:56<th>string NUL ?
03:56<mjr>you do get the actual nul, your terminal just doesn't show it
03:56<cmn>hm, ok
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03:57<cmn>even if I pass it directly to as argument to a command?
03:57<cmn>s/to as/as/
03:57<some>hello everbody
03:58<cmn>mjr: yeah, you're right, I guess I'll have to pipe the file in
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04:03<GauravButola>Can I install ubuntu softwares in Debian?
04:03<elfranne>anyone have some experience to use WMI calls from a debian to a Win 7 machine ? I get connection refused, on the Win7 the WMI is active and i can make call
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04:04<th>GauravButola, possible, but it is not safe and unsupported. you are on your own
04:04<jm_>!connection refused
04:04<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
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04:06<GauravButola>th: Ok, Can you please suggest me a Debian version which is latest just for testing purpose. I've used Ubuntu and Fedora only till date. wanna try Debian.
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04:07<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.1>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
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04:08<mansi>hi ppl i need to configure dhcp server in virtual interfaces
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04:08<mansi>how to do it
04:09<mansi>i mean i have two subnets in eth0:1 and eth0:2 ..... i need to configure dhcp server for two subnets and
04:10<mansi>we are using isc-dhcp-server on debian squeeze
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04:13<sosaited>Synaptic can't reload any rep files, even after trying with "select the best server" option. Plus in the panel, there is no option to "Disconnect" ethernet on network manager icon. Even though I am connected to internet. All I see is "Wired Network > Device not managed" in gray
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04:16<cafenet>hey guys can i ask question about Ekiga ?
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04:17<th>sosaited, what's the error msg in synaptic?
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04:18<th>cafenet, just ask
04:18<cafenet>i wanna know can i integrate my yahoo or gmail in Ekiga?
04:20<sosaited>On the previous server it was giving 404 not found error
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04:21<sosaited>th, Actually its giving the same on this too, but that hash one seems new.
04:22<th>sosaited, have you tried using any primary mirror server?
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04:23<th>the list is available on
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04:25<th>cafenet, it looks like the feature you talk about is not listed on
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04:27<cafenet>so its useless when i dont have the ekiga(SIP) account rite?
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04:36<th>according to
04:36<th>Ekiga is capable of using any service provider which supports SIP (for example, FreeWorldDialup, SipGate, etc.).
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04:41<cafenet>hey guys im trying to config gyachi but it gives me this error :
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04:42<sosaited>th: If I select "Main server". Everything in "Download from Internet" gets unchecked
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04:43<pirate>How can I install a xen kernel ( already compiled ) on a debain machine. Can anyone help me out here please?
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04:46<th>xen hypervisor?
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04:46<pirate>th: yes
04:48<pirate>th: I want to install a particular commit of xen source and the corresponding kernel. I need to do it to reproduce a bug. Please help
04:48<sosaited>th: Now I can change anything other than Main Server. :s
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04:50<sosaited>My Syaptic has gotten all messed up now. It has entries in Third party software like : "Added by software Properties" and "http://" :s How to fix it?
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04:52<SynrG>sosaited: synaptic version?
04:53<sosaited>SynrG, 0.70 pre1
04:54<sosaited>I can't change the server either . It is stuck on "Main server" with everything under "Download from Internet" unchecked
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04:54<SynrG>what changed? did you make configuration changes?
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04:55<SynrG>when was the last time it worked properly? did you do package upgrades since then?
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04:56<sosaited>SynrG, It was working fine before the last boot. After I turned it on today and tried to check for updates, it gave repost and connection error. And when I tried to see if some other server would be better, I keep getting errors
04:56<SynrG>debsums -c synaptic
04:57<sosaited>SynrG, Though before last boot I couldn't shutdown properly, but Synaptic wasn't running at that moment.
04:57<SynrG>filesystem corruption, i suspect.
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04:58<SynrG>anything alarming in syslog about your disk(s)?
04:58<soproni>Hi! I think I found a bug in isc-dhcp-client package. Can anyone confirme me? (sorry for my poor English)
04:59<sosaited>SynrG, :s I certainly hope its not that. I used Ubuntu for 2 years with multiple power failures but no system problems, and considering Debian should be more stable than that, it shouldn;t be that
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04:59<SynrG>uh? who said anything about Debian not being stable?
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05:00<SynrG>anyway, check your logs
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05:00<SynrG>you've mentioned a cluster of symptoms that could possibly be caused by something like a failing disk
05:00<SynrG>sorry, but debian can't save you from failing hardware :)
05:01<soproni>when I define multiple routers in dhcpd-server ('option routers' line), the client doesn't add metric for routers. it's normally?
05:01<sosaited>SynrG, That's what I said. That Debian being more stable, I don;t think it would be because of corrupted fs. Where is the log viewer again? Wasn't it in administration? I recently (accidently) removed a bunch of gnome packages by autoremove, but then installed gnome again, maybe log viewer wasn't in it?
05:01<flipflop>I'm searching for a mouse effect like this
05:02<sosaited>SynrG, Yeah you can be right about failing disk :(. But its a new 1.5TB :'(
05:02<flipflop>the idea is to be used in video tutorials
05:02<sosaited>SynrG, debsum. command not found
05:03<SynrG>debsums. and you might have to install the package if it's not there (and
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05:03<SynrG>s/\/(and// bleah
05:03<sosaited>SynrG, Yeah did debsums. Sorry
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05:03<SynrG>soproni: dunno. check also check the doc for the package to see if it says anything about that
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05:04<SynrG>sosaited: i don't use any special software to view logs
05:04<SynrG>just find the file and view it your favourite way
05:04<cafenet>i cant connect to kopete is it related to that im using GNOME?
05:04<soproni>I didn't found anything
05:05<classical>th i fix the lock screen :)
05:05<SynrG>using 'less', a text editor, whatever
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05:06<SynrG>cafenet: well, normally a kde app should work fine in gnome. they depend on, and start any kde agents that need to be running for them to operate properly
05:07<SynrG>cafenet: it's not entirely inconceivable that such a bug might exist, but if you're running a popular piece of kde software on debian stable, less likely someone would have not spotted the issue already. you could always check bugs.d.o
05:07<th>classical, what fix have you applied?
05:07<devil>cafenet: i am having probs with kopete lately as well. sometimes kwallet does not get started by kopete and i cant connect
05:08<devil>the app starts but stays in offlime mode
05:08<devil>cafenet: i am using kde btw.
05:08<sosaited>SynrG, Nothing out-of-ordinary there.
05:08<th>classical, it would be great if you can share the story since it may be useful to other people with the same problem
05:09<sosaited>Can't I remove the Synaptic config files somehow?
05:09<classical>th i have deleted .gnome2 gnome2_private .gconf and .gconfd
05:09<th>sosaited, you can always nuke /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
05:09<classical>after that it does not worked again before i run gnome-screensaver
05:10<classical>now lock screen works and switch user too
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05:11<sosaited>th: Will the problem in synaptic of not being able to change the server and enable anything in "Download from internet" be fixed by removing just the sources files?
05:11<th>i see, so the problem is somewhere in those gnome dir :)
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05:12<th>sosaited, can't guarantee that. anything can happen, copy those files first just in case you need a backup
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05:12<sosaited>there are sources.list~ sources.list.d This alone seems odd to me
05:12<th>by the way, you may want to try edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually using text editor instead of using synaptic
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05:13<sosaited>th, trust.gpg have three copies as well.
05:13<th>apt doesn't care about sources.list~ and
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05:15<th>sosaited, don't worry about them. files with ~ suffix in their name usually are backup when that corresponding file is modified
05:16<th>while trusted.gpg.d and sources.list.d are directories
05:19<sosaited>th: The network manager won't let me DC ethernet either :s. I better restart and see if that fixes it.
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05:20<classical>i just notice that in squeeze when you add one more keyboard layout the indicator appears itself clever
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05:42<firesnake>hey guys, can u tell me what should i do to add sid unstable main to my sources.list and where can i get GPG key?
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05:44<weasel>you don't add, and if you have to ask you probably shouldn't run unstable.
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05:45<firesnake>i just need one package libqxt-devel
05:45<devil>does not exist in unstable
05:45<devil>libqxt-dev does
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05:46<firesnake>oh, yeah mistaken libqxt-dev
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05:47<devil>firesnake: you can add deb sid main (or specify your server)
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05:48<themill>or better, don't.
05:48<devil>best simulate the install to see how depends work
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05:51<devil>firesnake: mixing repositories takes extra care and knowledge
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05:52<devil>firesnake: btw: libqxt-dev is in testing also
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05:56<babilen>firesnake: If you need it for development better install it locally and adjust your linker path, or *at least* create a backport (/msg dpkg ssb) to get hold of that package.
05:56<babilen>firesnake: The former is eased by using stow -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage
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05:58<firesnake>thx for the help i'll try something ^_^
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06:04<elfranne>anyone have some experience to use WMI calls from a Linux box to a Win 7 machine ? I get connection refused, on the Win7 the WMI is active and i can make calls on local (
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06:26<Eleth>I have 4 drives I want to set up for RAID5. After I configure these 4 drives into RAID, can I then partition the virtual RAID device or can that be only treated as a single partition?
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06:29<jm_>Eleth: it becomes a regular block device, but perhaps check if this makes sense
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06:31<ayaka>I use ifconfig to add tunnel ipv6 , how to del the tunnel?
06:31<classical>Guys im planing to build a log server it will be great if i have some web gui to view logs
06:31<classical>what do you advice me ?
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06:32<Eleth>jm_, I can't seem to partition it. Rereading a howto it looks like I might need to put LVM on top of it
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06:37<jm_>Eleth: hmm md.txt doesn't mention this explicitely
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06:44<ayaka>how to del a int which added by ifconfig
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06:45<petemc>ifconfig ethN down
06:46<Eleth>I think I need to do more reading. An old howto I found just said I could only use a software RAID as a single partition. Now I find that document is outdated. Time to dig deeper.
06:46<mjr>put lvm on top of the raid
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07:19<lee-0>Is there a way to have all man pages displayed in English by default instead in the language specified by locale settings?
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07:25<devil>LANG=EN man foo
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07:26<lee-0>devil: Thanks, that affects other software as well. And it won´t be a default.
07:27<laarmen>alias man='LANG=EN man'
07:27<devil>it affects console output (usefull for pastbinning)
07:27<lee-0>alias man='man -l EN' perhaps
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07:28<laarmen>Isn't the syntax VAR=foo cmd strictly local to the execution of cmd ?
07:28<jm_>lee-0: alternatively set MANOPT="-L C"
07:29<themill>you'd be better of picking a locale that exists rather than one that doesn't. Also -L not -l.
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07:31<lee-0>MANOPT="-L C" works great, thanks!
07:32<lee-0>... and I should have read the manpage before asking ...
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07:37<jm_>no worries
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07:47<ottoshmidt>what kernel did gnu run before linux?
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07:49<ottoshmidt>hmm, gnu hurd i guess
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07:59<tzafrir>ottoshmidt, well, Hurd was made GNU's official kernel after Linux was first announced and less than a year before it was licenced as GPL.
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08:00<tzafrir>So I guess that the real answer to your question would be: "SunOS" (or whatever unix-like kernel you want) ;-)
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08:02<mihai>hello. how do I get experimental 3d support from the nouveau driver in debian?
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08:03<devil>mihai: that heavily depends on the card. nouveau is a driver under heavy developement
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08:07<mihai>devil: I have an nvidia card
08:07<mihai>I know it works with nouveau
08:07<mihai>even with 3d
08:07<devil>well, if it was not nvidia, nouveau would be the wrong driver :)
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08:08<mihai>what do i need to do?
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08:11<devil>you want libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
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08:12<devil>you need at least 2.6.34 and latest versions of libdrm, libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa
08:13<mihai>i have 2.6.38-2-amd64
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08:16<mihai>i installed libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental, the other were all installed except libdrm, wich isn't in the repos
08:16<mihai>now what?
08:17<devil>you need all of these from experimental
08:17<devil>btw.: better take this to #debian-next
08:18<mihai>i'm afraid i'll give up, i don't want experimental packages
08:18<devil>mihai: you asked for experimental 3d support
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08:19<devil>its ok forv a testbox, not a production box
08:19<mihai>i know.. but i didn't know it's only available in experimental.. silly me
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08:20<mihai>i was looking for 3d
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08:21<dpkg>3D acceleration requires kernel support, X server support, some other library packages, and that your account be in the "video" group. Ask me about <nvidia>, <ati>. See also for documentation references and performance benchmarks.
08:22<adb>mihai, lenny, squeeze etc has 3d support, e clar ?
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08:23<devil>adb: i guess mihai wanted to try gallium
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08:23<mihai>i am trying to get 3d support from some free driver.. no matter how
08:24<mihai>i'm running debian testing
08:24<nevyn>mihai: do you have intel hardware?
08:24<nevyn>ah debian build nouveau without dri support
08:24<dpkg>The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10. The nouveau display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes. For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>.
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08:25<mihai>ok, so .. DRI/3D support is not enabled. how do i enable it?
08:25<classical>i have got X5670 Cpu on my server
08:25<mihai>nevyn: i don't know
08:26<roelof>How can I choose for MSN account in empathy ??
08:26<classical>according to intel it got 6 cores and 12 threads but top shows me 24 core
08:26<classical>why ?
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08:27<nevyn>mihai: you'd need to rebuild the 3 parts of the driver with 3d support
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08:27<mihai>3 parts of the driver?
08:28<devil>classical: how many does top show?
08:28<classical>top should show me 12 does not it ?
08:28<Zaba>classical, how does it show them?
08:29<devil>classical: i got a 8-core and htop shows 8. your 6 cores are probably virtualy doubled by HT, so 12 would make sense
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08:29<classical>ya 12 does but 24 ?
08:29<devil>classical: what is the CPU?
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08:30<jm_><classical> i have got X5670 Cpu on my server
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08:33<classical>devil, according to cpuinfo its Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5670 @ 2.93GHz
08:33<devil>classical: ah, Xeon
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08:34<classical>ya 6 physical cores and 12 threads
08:34<classical>but why the hell is there 24 than
08:36<roelof>no one who can help me with the empathy problem ??
08:36<classical>you would believe me
08:36<classical>it got 2 procs
08:36<devil>classical: isnt it a double processor?
08:36<classical>shame on me :-D
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08:58<Eruonen>Hi, I'm pretty much new to debian and such, and I was wondering how to "uninstall" something built with dpkg-buildpackage. Can anyone help? Google was't helpful or I didn't know how to phrase my query
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09:00<laarmen>Well, dpkg-buildpackage is used to build a package. If you haven't installed the package that you built, you just have to remove the .deb generated
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09:01<Eruonen>oh haha
09:01<Eruonen>that's a relief
09:01<Eruonen>thank you
09:01<laarmen>You're very welcome :)
09:02<Eruonen>cd ..
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09:03<laarmen>I have to say that if you don't install them, the built packages won't mess with your system
09:03<Eruonen>yeah, it just takes up space
09:03<Eruonen>that's fine by me
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09:08<classical>is there some remote desktop program for debian to work under nat ?
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09:08<classical>i mean to be able to connect my machine outside nat
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09:09<nevyn>port forwards on your router?
09:10<classical>nevyn, no they does not allow port forwarding
09:10<classical>i thought about reverse sshing but i think
09:10<classical>outgoing ports is filtered too
09:11<nevyn>classical: if you don't control the network you're most likely sol.
09:11<laarmen>Maybe with sslh ?
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09:12<themill>vnc and rdp both work quite nicely over ssh tunnels in either direction
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09:13<classical>laarmen, i never heard it
09:14<classical>nevyn, i i dont control the network we have a vpn on cisco router
09:14<laarmen>Well, I never actually used it, but theoreticcaly it allows you to encapsulate SSH in a SSL session
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09:14<classical>i using it but sometimes vpn goes down
09:14<classical>so i need something reliable
09:15<classical>laarmen, wow
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09:17<laarmen>Well, apparently I was wrong
09:17<laarmen>The software to do that isn't sslh, it would be corkscrew
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09:19<laarmen>And I don't know if that's really fit for your problem, since it is intended to go through proxies
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09:21<classical>laarmen, proxy under nat ?
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09:22<laarmen>I have never used either one, the information I gave went straigth from Google :)
09:22<classical>its a vnc server ?
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09:23<laarmen>apparently, yes
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09:28<SynrG>reverse ssh tunnel that restarts itself when the vpn goes down? just put it in a loop.
09:29<SynrG>(assuming vpn going down will terminate the ssh connection)
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09:30<themill>or use autossh
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09:33<SynrG>themill: nice. filing that one for future reference :)
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09:34<themill>Yeah, the use of pings over looped forwarded ports is detects hung connections too which is better than just waiting for ssh to time out
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09:37<classical>SynrG, ya that would be great thanks for idea
09:38<weasel>what's wrong with ServerAlive*?
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09:40<classical>themill, you meant this
09:41<themill>classical: yes. It's in the debian package of the same name
09:41<SynrG>weasel: does that support back off?
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09:44<classical>teamviewer works inside nat btw
09:44<classical>but i dont like it
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09:48<classical>do you know some teamviewer alternative that will work under nat
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09:48<devil>maybe x2go
09:49<themill>classical: "under nat" isn't very descriptive. What are you connecting to and from and which end has the public IP and which end is NATed?
09:50<classical>okay my office computer is under nat
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09:51<classical>my home pc is under nat too i have xyxel router but i can forward enything what i want
09:51<classical>to my pc
09:52<classical>and ya reverse ssh works fine
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09:53<classical>i can run Gui applications directly from ssh but how can i view already opened application
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09:53<classical>like: i have a chromium running with multiple tabs on it and i want to view thus tabs remotely from ssh
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09:55<themill>run x11vnc on the remote machine, set up an ssh connection between the two machines with the appropriate port tunnelled through it; connect to that port on localhost on the client.
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09:57<classical>thanks i will try
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10:20<Lantizia>Lo, I just read this... (about what ranges UID's/GID's should be used for)
10:21<Lantizia>It doesn't mention what ID a "guest" user should be... by that I just mean an ordinary user with as few privileges as possible
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10:21<Lantizia>I'm thinking 59999 since it's the highest one in the user range? (like nobody is 65534 the highest possible number in the whole lot)
10:21<babilen>Lantizia: ECHAN? (#d-d?)
10:21<Lantizia>Is there any consensus on this or is that a good number?
10:22<Lantizia>babilen, ?
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10:22<babilen>Lantizia: Did you actually meant to post this in #debian or was it rather meant for #debian-devel (or some other #d channel)
10:23<Lantizia>No I meant to post it here, why?
10:23<babilen>No problem then :)
10:23<cthuluh>I'd use the uid adduser provides
10:24<Lantizia>That is just the next available ID in the 1000-59999 range, want the guest ID's to be consistant
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10:24<cthuluh>well, use it
10:25<cthuluh>you have no technical reason not to use it
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10:28<ansgar>Lantizia: Consistant with what?
10:29<Lantizia>ansgar, all the other guest PC's they acess file shares which will have files/dirs owned by the uid too
10:29<ansgar>Lantizia: Then use some central mechanism to manage accounts (LDAP, ...).
10:29<Lantizia>I'll go with 59999 since the idea is the higher up you go the less important the user
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10:29<Lantizia>ansgar, not really explored that yet (but I know of it)
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10:30<cthuluh>but there's no technical inforcement of lowered permissions for big uid
10:30<Lantizia>cthuluh, no I know that ... but it is convention
10:30<Lantizia>hence 0 is the superuser, 65534 is nobody
10:30<cthuluh>also, if dealing with nfs shares, idmapd may be interesting
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10:31<Lantizia>yup nfs shares is what they are
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10:32<ansgar>Lantizia: How do you ensure that non-guest accounts use the same uid?
10:32<Lantizia>ansgar, it's a guest only share
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11:23<mercutio22>anyone here using bitcoin? I'd like to know if I can only register and make a wallet with the official client or would that be possible with bitcoind?
11:25<unixabg>Greetings, where would I find debian developers close to Missouri in USA?
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11:27<themill>unixabg: the wiki has a list of key signing offers which might be a good start
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11:45<runeb>Hi guys, I have an PHP issue where a number value is stored in my MySQL database with 6 decimals - e.g. 1 is saved as 1.000000. It is not happening on my local environment. What could it be?
11:46<rpetre>it's a sql problem, you need to declare the column as integer
11:46<rpetre>instead of float
11:46<runeb>but it is exact same database
11:46<runeb>the DB value is a string
11:47<themill>that sounds like your problem right there
11:47<runeb>no, because I need to store string values normally
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11:47<runeb>the server config shouldnt impact the values I'm saving right?
11:47<rpetre>so fix you sprintf or whatever you use
11:48<runeb>seems like a dirty fix, I don't want the values appearing as 1.000000 instead of 1
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11:50<rpetre>you need to be more specific in the code then
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11:51<runeb>but how can it be a code issue when it's not on my local development environment?
11:51<rpetre>if it's a string, then you stored it as such
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12:21<tim_>vanscot: Hello!
12:21<vanscot>I have an HP425 laptop that has both bluetooth and wifi in one chip..
12:21<vanscot>I could get the wifi working using the wl driver..
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12:21<vanscot>But the bluetooth is not.
12:23<vanscot>I'm also having some odd behavior with the windows like lag when moving them around, even with the ati driver.
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12:24<retrospectacus>vanscot: how is the bluetooth "not working"? What have you tried? Read this?
12:24<vanscot>(Actually, I'm having a lot of odd behaviors, like mouse clicks don't detected, hotkeys not working..
12:24<vanscot>And so on)
12:24<vanscot>By not working I mean that I have a dmesg lines showing the device..
12:25<vanscot>But the bluetooth admin applet not recognizing any adapter.
12:25<vanscot>Tried installing the firmware but didn't work either.
12:25<vanscot>Checking the link.
12:27<vanscot>From the link: I have the bluetooth packages installed and the service running.
12:27<vanscot>From bluetooth-agent: not default adapter.
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12:28<vanscot>Want a nopaste of my dmesg?
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12:30<SynrG>couldn't hurt
12:31<SynrG>that's not necessarily the only interesting info
12:31<vanscot>Want a complete dmesg?
12:31<jhutchins_lt>vanscot: What release?
12:31<SynrG>for example, your system could be experiencing an EC flood or something (causing jittery mouse, etc.)
12:31<SynrG>squeeze or wheezy? :)
12:31<vanscot>The "missing clicks" only happens on the bottom panel of gnome, havent tried kde.
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12:32<vanscot>From apt/sources.list
12:32<SynrG>consistently you can't click on the panel? or just sometimes?
12:32<vanscot>Just sometimes.
12:32<vanscot>I need to click outside the panel then click on it.
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12:36<vanscot>Complete dmesg:
12:36<vanscot>The line 770 is because i tried modprobe btusb
12:36<retrospectacus>vanscot: what does ''hcitool dev'' run in terminal say ?
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12:37<vanscot>And the chrome segfaults are from a flash problem on a website.
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12:37<vanscot>That's all, retro.
12:38<retrospectacus>looks like you are missing your bcm43xx firmware
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12:38<vanscot>Well, the wireless is working fince..
12:38<SynrG>lines 245-253 are interesting
12:39<vanscot>SHouold I remove wl firmware and try bcm43xx¡
12:39<SynrG>how can it operate without an EC? that might make powering on your bluetooth device tricky. dunno
12:39<SynrG>might also be why hotkeys don't work
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12:40<vanscot>Well, some hotkeys work..
12:40<vanscot>But the "wireless" hotkey doesnt..
12:41<retrospectacus>not sure about <wl> vs. <b43>
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12:41<retrospectacus>you may e.g. /msg dpkg b43 to read more about them vanscot
12:42<SynrG>is it possible bluetooth simply isn't turned on in the bios?
12:42<vanscot>SynrG, I haven't seen that option in the bios..
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12:42<SynrG>"onboard devices" or some such?
12:42<vanscot>And seems like the wireless and the bluetooth are both in one chip/module.
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12:44<vanscot>I'll reboot and check the bios..
12:44<vanscot>Then come back..
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12:53<vanscot>Well, BIOS did have an option to enable/disable both wireless and bluetooth (alltogether)..
12:53<vanscot>But they were enabled.
12:54<vanscot>Another thing is that I don't see any wireless network..
12:55<retrospectacus>you said the wireless works?
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12:56<vanscot>Well, It does... but as eth1
12:56<vanscot>eth1 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:""
12:56<vanscot>I have no wlan0 but an eth1.
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12:56<tharkun>Does the Acquire::http::Proxy does dns resolution or not?
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12:57<chichimeka>i have installed squeeze but i don't have any sound, the kernel module is loaded , but the volume do not recognize the audio device.. could some body help me?
12:57<devil>vanscot: in the end it does not matter if its named wlan, eth1 or foo
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12:58<devil>vanscot: if you don't like eth1, you can probably change the corresponding udev-rule
12:58<vanscot>I don't mind..
12:58<vanscot>I just think that it was odd.
12:58<devil>it happens with some deevices
12:59<vanscot>Anyway, still no bluetooth and no wireless networks...
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12:59<vanscot>(And I know that there are open networks on my work)
13:00<chichimeka>i try to use alsaconf but it doesn't exist anymore
13:00<devil>chichimeka: yeah, its gone
13:01<devil>works automagicalxy now ™
13:02<retrospectacus>vanscot: can you pastebin ''lspci -nn''
13:02<chichimeka>devil: do you know what i can do to configure the audio device?
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13:02<rafael_>Hello guys
13:03<devil>chichimeka: what is there to configure?
13:03<vanscot>retrospectacus: give me a sec
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13:03<devil>chichimeka: if you set the mixer, it should just work
13:03<chichimeka>the mixer do not recognize any device
13:05<devil>chichimeka: pastebin /proc/asound/cards and /proc/asound/modules
13:06<retrospectacus>,pciid 14e4:4727
13:06<judd>[14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
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13:07<chichimeka>devil: i am trying from my root console but the permission is not allowed
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13:08<devil>chichimeka: you need to do: cat /proc/asound/cards
13:08<chichimeka>ok tanks a lot
13:09<retrospectacus>vanscot: or which have you done? Whichever, check through and make sure you did all the steps
13:12<devil>chichimeka: that looks ok. what mixer did you use?
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13:12<devil>chichimeka: and it shows no mixers?
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13:13<devil>chichimeka: please pastebin lsmod | grep snd
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13:18<devil>chichimeka: pastebin ls -l /proc/asound/card0
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13:20<devil>chichimeka: all looks fine to me
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13:22<chichimeka>devil: exactly, everything looks ok but when i try to start the mixer i got: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: invalid argument
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13:24<jthomas>I have a new Wireless-N adapter that I cannot seem to get working, "New USB device found, idVendor=7392, idProduct=7811 ; New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
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13:25<jthomas>This says its supported in Sid but I cannot seem to see the device as a network adapter
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13:26<devil>chichimeka: well, HDA-Intel is tricky, as there is hundreds of codecs, and some cards need rxtra options. unfortunately i need to run in a few and cant dive in deeper. maybe you should google with keywords debian and your cardname or try asking in #alsa on freenode (give them some time to answer, its a slow channel)
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13:27<roelof>Hello, someone know if gtk3 is avaible in Wheezy ?
13:27<chichimeka>devil: thanks you very much i will try in #alsa on freenode
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13:29<gsimmons>jthomas: Your device (Edimax EW-7811Un, AFAICT) actually uses a Realtek RTL8188CUS chipset, not Ralink. It is supported by the in-tree rtl8192cu driver (available since Linux 2.6.39).
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13:31<retrospectacus>roelof: ''apt-cache policy libgtk-3-common'' or such will tell you
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13:32<jthomas>gsimmons thanks; I need to update to that kernel then, i have 2.6.38 due to 2.6.39 not having the needed headers for my vbox to function, perhaps it does now tho.
13:32<chealer>roelof: yes
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13:35<roelof>oke, I see that it's installed yey
13:35<roelof>I see Installed : 3.0.8.-1
13:36<roelof>good , then I can use a beautifull gtk3 theme for my box
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13:51<Robert>I have a question
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13:51<kurumin>como vaii ?
13:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:52<kurumin>nao seii falar ingles
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13:57<nyov>don't we all
13:58<babilen>Robert: Just ask ... We can not come up with questions *and* answers ...
13:58<nyov>oh, I can :P
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13:59<babilen>Ok, we could, but that would probably be pretty pointless :)
13:59<nyov>how can I figure out why my box is using about 1.8gb only of the 2gb ram it has?
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13:59<nyov>babilen: true :P
13:59<Robert>I downloaded NOD32 ESET free trial and installed it, but after the free trial is it worth my time and money buying it?
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14:00<Robert>i did a scan and it found nothing
14:00<nyov>that reads like "nodereset"
14:00<babilen>Robert: What is NOD32 ESET? What does this have to do with Debian and why don't you know if you want to spend the money on it after you have tried it?
14:01<Robert>NOD32 ESET is a virus scanner for linux
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14:01<babilen>What's wrong with clamav?
14:01<thewanderer1>nyov: what do you mean by "using"?
14:02<nyov>it has no on-access filtering (would be my answer)
14:02<babilen>nyov: That was a serious question?
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14:02<sney>There are zero linux viruses in the wild. The only purpose of av on a linux server is if it provides services to windows clients.
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14:03<Robert>zero linux viruses?
14:03<retrospectacus>zero linux viruses.
14:03<sney>In the wild, yes
14:03<dpkg>hmm... . is . ...........
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14:03<nyov>babilen, thewanderer1, yes semi-serious q. top reports 1800164k ram
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14:04<babilen>nyov: Probably file caches -- What does "free -m" give you?
14:04<Robert>thanx for you interesting asnwer :)
14:04<nyov>Mem: 1757 1708 49
14:04<sney>Security exploits exist that could be used to make a linux virus, but thus far no one has bothered
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14:04<thewanderer1>nyov: have you got an integrated graphics card like Intel GMA?
14:05<babilen>nyov: I'd like to see the complete output :)
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14:05<thewanderer1>babilen: I think he really means that 2GB is not available
14:05<sney>Robert: if you're not running an email server or a smb share in an untrusted network, you don't need av at all, much less a paid one
14:06<jthomas>gsimmons: thanks, the newer 2.6.39 kernel looks to work for my wfi-n usb device. now my vbox won't work tho.
14:06<Robert>thanx sney i will uninstall it
14:06<babilen>thewanderer1: As in (2048 - 1757 != 0) ?
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14:06<thewanderer1>Robert: I'm running ESET NOD32 here, but on a Windows server and the mail server sends files over the network to the WS for scanning. no problems with it (actually, it's the most trouble-free AV), but not worth the price IMHO.
14:06<nyov>babilen: see the swap usage? D; - that's firefox
14:06<thewanderer1>babilen: yes, that
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14:07<thewanderer1>nyov: ok, do you have an integrated graphics card?
14:07<babilen>nyov: yeah, you have 256M (how convenient) free RAM right now ... do you ^^^
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14:07<nyov>thewanderer1: indeed. fml, that must be it
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14:08<thewanderer1>nyov: go to the BIOS and decrease the aperture size. also, I've found that my GMA3100 works faster with 64MB or 128MB than with 256MB ;P
14:08<babilen>nyov: Well, iceweasel/firefox is also not that well known for its small memory footprint :)
14:08<Robert>so theres no point for an AV in Debian? My hard drive is 4096 bit encrypted with a firewall
14:08<babilen>thewanderer1: really? that is remarkable :)
14:08<thewanderer1>babilen: I know... probably just a crappy implementation that doesn't scale
14:08<babilen>Robert: I wouldn't worry and in particular not spend money on it.
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14:09<babilen>thewanderer1: likely, still extraordinary
14:09<thewanderer1>Robert: yup, no point. if you want to spend money, hire me and I'll install grsecurity for you :P
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14:09<babilen>thewanderer1: hehe :)
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14:09<nyov>thewanderer1, yeah might do that. actually was just wondering where the ram went and if it might be 'dead blocks'. totally forgot about the nvidia
14:09<babilen>!tell Robert -about harden
14:10<Robert>so is 4096 bit encryption good?
14:10<retrospectacus>Robert: no amount of encryption, firewall or AV will protect you from running something stupid
14:10<babilen>Robert: Read the securing Debian manual and the other factoids referenced in the <harden> one ...
14:10<nyov>Robert: depends on what you need it for, if you have a fileserver serving files to windows users, a AV might make sense
14:10<thewanderer1>retrospectacus: if he forgets the encryption password, hmm... it might work as a preliminary malicious user lockout ;P
14:11<Robert>i only use debian to browse the web and read email i dont have a server or anything
14:11<thewanderer1>oh... then use Chromium and don't worry
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14:12<retrospectacus>right on
14:12<Robert>im using google chrome at moment
14:12<thewanderer1>okay, so you're set as long as you don't download and run any crap
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14:12<nyov>Robert: use checksecurity, rkhunter, the harden packages. periodic clamav scans. should be good enough
14:12<thewanderer1>stick to apt-get from the official repo and you can keep running for years
14:13<Robert>nice one for the advice, you teach me alot :)
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14:13<Robert>the guy at PC world didnt know sh*t i thought debian was a game lol
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14:14<nyov>but it's a really nice game
14:14<Robert>nevermind lol
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14:15<Robert>im going, thanx again for the info i need my pizza
14:15<retrospectacus>come back anytime, we'll be here
14:15<Robert>sudo make me a pizza --force
14:16<retrospectacus>well, someone will be here
14:16<jthomas>can anyone help me to get VBox working on Sid ?
14:16<jthomas>I just updated and rebooted and I cannot get VBox to open my virtual machines
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14:16<retrospectacus>jthomas: go to #debian-next for >stable problems
14:17<jthomas>news to me! ok thanks
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14:21<cmhamill>This is probably not the best place for this, but maybe someone knows: does debian-installer have any support for EFI?
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14:21<daemonkeeper>cmhamill: You might get more qualified answers in #debian-boot.
14:22<cmhamill>daemonkeeper: So I thought. Worse turnover time there, so I thought I'd give this one a shot.
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14:26<Guest3910>dear all I have a problem on my Debian 6.0 server on which I can not find a solution on the net, is this the right place to ask?
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14:27<jthomas>yes, ask it.
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14:28<lee-0>How do you copy about 90000 files from one directory to another?
14:28<Guest3910>apt-get upgrade generates error kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 can not be updated
14:28<retrospectacus>lee-0: cp
14:28<lee-0>Use xargs?
14:28<Guest3910>it looks like this: Setting up linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (2.6.32-34squeeze1) ...
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14:28<lee-0>cp receives a list of arguments that is too long
14:28<retrospectacus>lee-0: cp -r /one /other
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14:29<lee-0>I don´t want to copy the whole directory, only the files in it ...
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14:29<tal>Hello all. I got a problem with compiz after installing non-free ATI driver. Can't see windows top-bar. Does anyone know about this?
14:29<SynrG>lee-0: a find / tar pipeline?
14:30<retrospectacus>lee-0: if you insist: find /one -type f |while read i; do cp "$i" /other/; done
14:30<lee-0>SynrG: like? find . -type f | xargs cp -ax {} destdir/
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14:31<lee-0>SynrG: ... since find would make the list of arguments too long without xargs, wouldn´t it?
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14:31<SynrG>well, the reason i would've used tar in there would be to handle input from stdin
14:32<nyov>for file in *; do cp $file /your/dest; done
14:32<lee-0>SynrG: Hm, how exactly would you do it?
14:32<Guest3910>here is the apt-get upgrade error:
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14:32<SynrG>google tar copy pipeline
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14:34<Guest3910>is here anyone who knows a work around for this problem:
14:34<SynrG>Guest3910: please don't paste your question twice
14:34<lee-0>SynrG: That doesn´t give good results.
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14:35<nyov>SynrG: found that, but can't test it: echo * | xargs -i cp {} /your/dest
14:35<retrospectacus>Guest3910: try running update-grub2 as root and then try again
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14:36<nyov>SynrG, sorry meant lee-0
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14:37<lee-0>nyov: Yeah, I´ll don´t see how to get around using xargs, unless it´s possible to skip the directory part when extracting a tar archive.
14:37*lee-0 reads the man tar ...
14:37<Guest3910>retrospectacus: do not have grub2 only grub and that does not help
14:37<SynrG>really? fourth hit ...
14:38<nyov>lee-0: the solution is, tada, recompile your linux kernel!
14:38<SynrG>(cd /orignl/path tar -cf - . ) | (cd /dst/dir;tar -xvf -)
14:38<tal>Hi sorry for re-posting, but do you you know how to fix compiz?
14:38<SynrG>adapt that to generate list of files with find
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14:39<retrospectacus>what was wrong with the for i in *; do cp "$i" /dest/ ;done
14:39<SynrG>too many invocations of cp
14:39<nyov>lee-0: sure you can skip the directory from a tar
14:39<SynrG>find (once) tar (twice)
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14:39<nyov>or use globbing to only copy [a-l] first or something
14:39<lee-0>SynrG: Thanks, I´ll check that out. You seem to get different results from google, might have to do with us being in different countries.
14:40<retrospectacus>!tell tal about ask
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14:41<nyov>tal: what do you mean about 'windows top bar'?
14:41<tal>where's the X button is
14:41<nyov>tal: maybe your window manager crashed?
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14:42<tal>It has been occured since I installed ATI driver(non-free)
14:42<lee-0>SynrG: That´s an interesting usage of the '.' they have. Hmmmm, nice if that works :)
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14:43<retrospectacus>tal: run ''compiz --replace &'' in a terminal
14:43<SynrG>lee-0: hmm. i think you need to use cpio instead of filenames come from stdin
14:43<nyov>tal: can you still open a terminal?
14:43<nyov>oh too slow
14:43<Guest3910>the thing is can not install or update anything until this problem is solved
14:43<nyov>tal: what retrospectacus said
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14:43<lee-0>nyov: How do you skip the directory when extracting?
14:43<lee-0>SynrG: Maybe xargs is easier?
14:44<tal>Thnaks it's work!
14:45<tal>The problem is I can't get effects now
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14:45<SynrG>lee-0: what do you think? looks gold to me :)
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14:47<tal>Sorry, it works. But I got one more qoustion: Will it saved for the next reboot?
14:47<lee-0>SynrG: looks as if it´s made for this :)
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14:47<retrospectacus>tal: unlikely
14:47<nyov>lee-0: sorry, had to go dig for the command name first,
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14:48<tal>retrospectacus: What does it means?
14:48<nyov>lee-0: look for --strip-components
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14:49<retrospectacus>tal: it means you might have to run that command upon each startup.
14:49<retrospectacus>tal: you may use a session manager for this
14:50<lee-0>nyov: Ah, thanks!
14:50<nyov>tal: or make your desktop environment run it for you on start (gnome autostart or something)
14:50<tal>retrospectacus: ok I know to do this, but why do I need to?
14:50<retrospectacus>because you want the shiny
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14:52<tal>Ok thank you(I just was used to Ubuntu...)
14:53<tal>I have one more question: when I used gksudo, the background theme doesn't work in GNOME, is it only for me?
14:54<retrospectacus>used gksudo for what? What means " the background theme doesn't work" exactly?
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14:54<unixabg>themill thanks
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14:55<tal>the gksudo gives me a root permission, so when I use it for activate X11 apps, the background color is grey(not my setting)
14:55<lee-0>SynrG, nyov: Oh, it´s just too simple! Just create an archive with tar -cf ~/tmp/archive.tar . and then unpack that archive in the destination directory --- or pipe the output instead of using an archive.
14:56<retrospectacus>tal: that's normal. root does not share your user's colors/fonts/themes - this is useful so you know what apps are running as root
14:57<retrospectacus>tal: you could probably run something like gksudo gnome-appearance-properties to mess with that if you like
14:57<tal>retrospectacus: OK. I undersnding from you that I can change this. But the weird thing is that only the background color is "bad", while the other theme's setting are fine
14:57<nyov>piping tar to tar, haha
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14:59<retrospectacus>tal: not sure. Does it make those apps unusable?
15:00<tal>No they are fine.
15:00<nyov>does someone know why bfilter didn't make it into squeeze?
15:01<nyov>maintainer gone?
15:01<tal>It's just weired that only the background is different. In second tought, maybe it's something about X11 display(the outside is mine, the inside is root)
15:01<nyov>no that can't be it
15:01<gsimmons>dpkg: dbugs 566542
15:01<dpkg>DONE:#566542:N[] RM: bfilter -- ROM; has RC bugs, upstream dead (recommends adblock) (); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:54:04 UTC []
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15:02<nyov>thanks, gsimmons
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15:42<pkkm>Is it going to be a good backup if I recursively copy / using rsync, excluding /tmp, /proc, /sys, /dev and /var/{run,lock} ?
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15:44<rpetre>a -x to rsync would save you a lot of these
15:44<retrospectacus>rsync -Haz is my fav.
15:45<retrospectacus>!things to backup
15:45<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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15:45<retrospectacus>pkkm: if you will be doing scheduled/repeating backups, look into rsnapshot
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15:46<rpetre>i like dirvish
15:46<tic^>hmmm, if one is gonna backup all that wouldn't drive cloning be better?
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15:46<babilen>yeah, dirvish is nice :)
15:46<rpetre>for certain values of "better"
15:47<rpetre>it depends on what you need and what you understand by "cloning" :D
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15:47<pkkm>retrospectacus, RSync is a temporary solution. Are the folders good?
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15:48<pkkm>I will set up dirvish / boxbackup / bacula probably in the next week, but I need a backup now because I have problems with my VPS provider.
15:49<tic^>ok, i don't mean to be an idiot here but i just spent two days reading up on incrimental backup and clone. Can you define tempory for me please?
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15:50<retrospectacus>I've always backed up specific dirs, not / excluding certain ones
15:50<rpetre>tic^: the literature is so diverse that the terms are kinda loaded
15:50<rpetre>for instance, you can't exactly "clone" a running system, since files change during copy
15:50<tic^>ok, so another words, "to each their own"?
15:51<rpetre>can be done with snapshots, but it might be inconsistent
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15:51<tic^>or "what works best for you".
15:51<rpetre>dd is not a particularly great solution if you want to inspect the files in the backup store
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15:51<rpetre>and so on
15:52<tic^>i use dd for mostly mbr backups, not backing up files.
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15:52<bU1337Pr00f>Is there a package in the reps for IRC services? I'm trying to set up a private server for me and a few people and I would like to get services set up.
15:52<retrospectacus>Yan_Semar: need more /
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15:52<rpetre>well, that's what most people understand by "cloning"
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15:52<retrospectacus>bU1337Pr00f: there are a few
15:52<retrospectacus>!tell bU1337Pr00f about search
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15:53<bU1337Pr00f>oh, crap. I'm on the wrong server
15:53<rpetre>tic^: anyway, since the needs are so diverse, the technology used depends on a lot of factors, there's no "superior" solution
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15:54<bU1337Pr00f>I'm running an Ubuntu Natty system ^_^. Sorry to bother y'all
15:54<rpetre>tic^: i always like to remind people that it's nobody really cares about "backups", but about "restores"
15:54<rpetre>so you'll need to consider first how you're gonna use that backup
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15:55<rpetre>(sorry, i messed up the edit on my earlier remark, but you get my point)
15:55<tic^>ty rpetre: i did enough reading up on backing up the last two days so I am gonna use dd for mbr backups, rsync for file backup updates, and clone zilla for drive cloning maybe once a week. that should cover my needs.
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15:55<retrospectacus>bU1337Pr00f: right on, enjoy linux anyway :)
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15:55<rpetre>tic^: just practice restoring that backup to see if it actually works for you or not :)
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15:56<pkkm>By the way, how to restore a backup consisting of copied files?
15:56<tic^>lol, gonna do that tommorrow. had enough for today.
15:56<rpetre>and try to optimize for a simple restore procedure, because when you usually need it, there are people panicking :)
15:57<rpetre>pkkm: you copy them back. either all on a clean machine, or selectively what you need
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15:58<rpetre>that's my point: if you have a backup you don't know how to use, you don't actually have a backup :P
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16:04<jut>is there a way to check if a package installation is corrupted?
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16:04<jut>I've had problems with a disk and I want to repair those programs which may be damaged
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16:07<retrospectacus>just: you can reinstall packages: apt-get install --reinstall whatever
16:07<retrospectacus>hi patricia
16:07<babilen>jut: debsums might come in handy -- or just reinstall the packages (aptitude reinstall ~i)
16:07<patricia>can everyone speak german, please?
16:07<patricia>my english is not so good, and i need help
16:08<jut>babilen, thanks, but is there a way to reinstall a package and all of its dependencies?
16:08<babilen>patricia: Wir haben auch 'n deutschsprachigen Kanal ( am besten fragst du dort :)
16:08<patricia>xD ok danke
16:08<babilen>jut: That will reinstall *all* installed packages (~i)
16:09<babilen>patricia: Kein Ding, viel Spass!
16:09<jut>babilen, mh, it's not what I want :P
16:10<jut>debsums seems good, but I need to check also dependencies
16:10<jut>I'll take a look by myself, thanks babilen ;)
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16:29<raph_ael>hi, i try to add colour schemes to .Xdefault and .Xresources, though fonts settings are taken, colours ones are not, and the same conf files work on another box with ubuntu
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16:31<jut>babilen, thanks, everything seems OK :/
16:31<jut>so it's a bug in evolution probably
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16:37<l1nuxordi>I'm wondering if their is any way of duplicating a Debian setup so I can install it on 10 other computers that are all the same.. ?
16:37<l1nuxordi>on a USB key
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16:39<zeroedout>you can install the system, set up however you like it, then boot in live with another usb stick and DD everything over the network or onto a second usb stick. You may even be able to dd everything from the newly installed system while booted in.... but i'm not 100% sure
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16:49<Vanscot>Hi, I'm back!
16:49<Vanscot>Solved the problem with the bluetooth/wifi..
16:49<retrospectacus>!debian clone
16:49<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>.
16:49<Vanscot>Thank you all who helped me!
16:49<SynrG>zeroedout had an answer for you. sec
16:49<retrospectacus>Vanscot: great, what was the solution?
16:50<Vanscot>Many things, but mainly..
16:50<Vanscot>A BIOS setting that switched off wlan when wired was plugged..
16:50<Vanscot>ERgo, turning off bluetooth.
16:50<retrospectacus>ahh interesting
16:51<SynrG>!tell l1nuxordi about fai
16:51<babilen>Vanscot: that really is a setting one would want to have turned on (not)
16:51<SynrG>might be overkill tho
16:51<l1nuxordi>the problem is that all independent and need to be setup on the HD
16:51<l1nuxordi>not usb key
16:51<grove>Any ideas why (or how to find out why) mpd doesn't find the mp3 file I've placed i /var/lib/mpd/music (music_directory in /etc/mpd.conf)? Even with --verbose it doesn't say anything interesting in the log file, and a `strace -ff` show that the first process stat's the directory (return value 0) and doesn't do anything else with it, and neither do any of the children.
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16:51<SynrG>l1nuxordi: yes. i believe fai addresses that
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16:52<Vanscot>Anyway, I still can't fix my hardware acceleration problems..
16:52<Vanscot>Seems like the driver installer from ATI is broken..
16:52<babilen>zeroedout: Another nice idea is also to use something like puppet, chef or cfengine to configure your hosts ... (probably overkill too)
16:52<Vanscot>And can't get hw acc for video.
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16:53<tony>does anyone know how to install packages downloaded
16:53<Vanscot>tony: dpkg -i pack
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16:54<tony>so i just type that for example i downloaded opera web browser for ppc how would the command look
16:54<towo`>Vanscot, in debian, you shouldn'tr use this crapy installer
16:54<SynrG>babilen: though it was l1nuxordi who asked :)
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16:54<babilen>Isn't there a nice imaging solution that will take a "gold" image and clone it to other (netbooted?) hosts -- I used systemimager (sisuite) many years ago, but am not sure if there aren't better options. (in particular some that are packaged in Debian)
16:54<Vanscot>towo`: you mean dpkg or ati installer?
16:54*babilen hasn't played with clusters in some time
16:55<towo`>Vanscot, i mean the ati installer
16:55<Vanscot>towo`: any suggestions?
16:55<babilen>SynrG: thanks! (*doh*)
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16:55<towo`>Vanscot, use apt ins unstall fglrx-driver with it
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16:55<towo`>Vanscot, use apt and install fglrx-driver with it
16:56<tony>? can someone please ask my last question
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16:56<Vanscot>tony: dpkg -i some-pack.deb
16:57<tony> so its dpkg -i (name of package)
16:57<Vanscot>towo`: Seems like I already have it..
16:57<gsimmons>grove: Did you send the update command? Also verify that the mpd user ("mpd" by default) has at least read access to your file.
16:57<babilen>tony: It most certainly is :)
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16:59<tony>i tried to install and this is what came up
16:59<tony>tony # dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb
16:59<tony>dpkg: error processing google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb (--install):
16:59<tony> cannot access archive: No such file or directory
16:59<tony>Errors were encountered while processing:
16:59<tony> google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb
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16:59<dpkg>tony: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
16:59<grove>gsimmons: read permissions are ok, but I had forgotten to update
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17:03<pkkm>Good night.
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17:12<raph_ael>nobody for a colour scheme not working in xdefault and xresource ?
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17:15<babilen>raph_ael: Might help if you would paste your .Xresources and give a few more information (which terminal, ...)
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17:16<raph_ael>babilen: sure thanks
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17:22<raph_ael>babilen: same xdefault and xresources and works on another box
17:23<cirzgamanti>do i need to uninstall the nouveau package in order to run nvidia-glx, or is there another way to switch to it, with both packages installed?
17:24<towo`>cirzgamanti, no
17:24<raph_ael>cirzgamanti: you can blacklist the module
17:24<towo`>you have to use a xorg-conf stanza for nvidia
17:25<babilen>raph_ael: Am I blind or are *all* the colour definitions commented?
17:25<towo`>raph_ael, he must blacklist nouveau
17:25<raph_ael>babilen: not all
17:25<raph_ael>babilen: but one is a little lost between the others :)
17:25<towo`>cirzgamanti, blacklist allone will not help
17:25<babilen>raph_ael: Which are not (no line numbers on this pastebin though -- who thought that was a good idea?)
17:26<towo`>cirzgamanti, echo blacklist nouveau >> /etc/modprobe.d/nouveaublacklist.conf
17:26<babilen>raph_ael: Ah, theme four :)
17:26<gnusosa_>Hi, There is a file needing fileutils and textutils package, but both are now coreutils. How can I install metapackage or dummy just for apt to find it and continue the install
17:27<raph_ael>babilen: sorry i should have taken out the others, i even had some problems to find out the one that should be working
17:27<cirzgamanti>thx towo`
17:27<gsimmons>Blacklisting of nouveau is already performed by nvidia-kernel-common package.
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17:28<cirzgamanti>i have this package installed, but nouveau loads
17:28<cirzgamanti>(debian testing)
17:29<cirzgamanti>i'll try to restart now with the blacklist. later!
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17:32<cirzgamanti>now (with the blacklist) X tells me it can't load nouveau :P
17:33<cirzgamanti>it also cannot load module "nv"
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17:33<raph_ael>cirzgamanti: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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17:34<raph_ael>cirzgamanti: seems nvidia is not well installed
17:34<towo`>[23:24] <towo`> you have to use a xorg-conf stanza for nvidia
17:34<cirzgamanti>i installed nvidia-glx, somebody on another channel said that would be enough
17:35<towo`>nviand nvidia will not load without a xorg.conf stanza
17:35<towo`>cirzgamanti, read the wiki
17:35<cirzgamanti>towo`: ah, didn't know what you mean by stanza
17:35<towo`>linux does not need a xorg.conf at all
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17:36<cirzgamanti>towo`: the debian wiki?
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17:37<dpkg> . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
17:37<lee-0>Is there a package installing the info pages/manual for gnus in Debian?
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17:37<cirzgamanti>thx towo` - didn't get this page by searching the wiki for nvidia :(
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17:45<ZykoticK9_>towo`, while your are correct gnu"linux does not need a xorg.conf at all" the proprietary nvidia driver does -- thus there is the nvidia-xconfig package/program to generate one
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17:46<towo`>nvidia-xconfig is crap³
17:46<towo`>it generates a totaly bloated xorg,conf
17:47<ZykoticK9_>towo`, agreed - well, perhaps "crap" is a strong word ;)
17:47<towo`>so the only thing, was is needed is a mini snipped e.g /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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17:47<towo`>in this file only the device section is needed, so 4 lines are enought for propper work
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17:48<kop>lee-0: You need to enable the non-free repos.
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17:49<kop>lee-0: (Probably, I've not looked. But a FSDG license is not always DFSG compatible so the docs often wind up in non-free.)
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17:50<raph_ael>lee-0: i don't see gnus doc package, though there are many good wikis
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17:58<lee-0>kop: Non-free is in the sources list. raph_ael: I´m particularly looking for the info pages. I´m looking at the PDF documentation atm which I can´t display within emacs (or could I?). Having the info pages would make things easier, and there are many references to them in newsgroups ...
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17:59<lee-0>Even apt-file search "*gnus*" doesn´t return anything at all.
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18:00<cthuluh>emacs23-common-non-dfsg or something like that
18:00<raph_ael>lee-0: maybe there are unofficial packages, have you tried #gnus @ freenode ?
18:00<lee-0>raph_ael: I was banned from freenode and won´t go there anymore.
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18:01<lee-0>cthuluh: That might be just it, thanks :)
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18:03<raph_ael>cthuluh: nice thanks
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18:07<lee-0>Cool, I installed emacs23-common-non-dfsg, and it has the info pages of gnus, and apparently some other stuff :)
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18:08<brcasper>hi guys i'm in jail how can i kill myself via bash
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18:09<wintellect>brcasper, while(1) do; fork(); done
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18:10<retrospectacus>brcasper: find / -type f |while read f ;do >"$f"; done
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18:15<karl_>hey, i have a weird problem with autofs, it tells me "update_negative_cache: key "Bilder-ITX" not found in map." in the syslog, however, i have no such definition in
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18:21<karl_>ah well, moved the base-dir, now its gone
18:21<karl_>good night
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18:29<kouche>hi there
18:29<kouche>i need to find a way
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18:29<kouche>to upgrade my squeeze's kernel to
18:30<kouche>can ya help me?
18:30<CcSsNET>hi kouche
18:30<retrospectacus>sure. are you on x86 or amd64?
18:30<CcSsNET> **
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18:31<CcSsNET>check the projects area, ubuntu kernel compile
18:31<CcSsNET>upgrade to something newer
18:31<retrospectacus>kouche: run apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 - ignore CcSsNET
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18:32<kouche>thanx friend
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18:32<kouche>do i nee to update my repo list or not?
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18:33<CcSsNET>yea do that first for his advice
18:33<CcSsNET>aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64
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18:34<retrospectacus>kouche: are you on lenny?
18:34<kouche>nope i'm upgarading from lenny to squeeze
18:35<retrospectacus>ah. you should have mentioned that...
18:35<retrospectacus>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
18:35<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
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18:36<kouche>thank you dude
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18:38<kouche>it is my repo list:
18:38<kouche># main repo
18:38<kouche>deb squeeze main
18:38<kouche>deb-src squeeze main
18:38<kouche>deb squeeze/updates main
18:38<kouche>deb-src squeeze/updates main
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18:41<retrospectacus>looks reasonable. Most people have contrib as well as main but you may be fine
18:41<retrospectacus>apt-get update works? no 404s?
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18:41<kouche>yeap there's no problem
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18:43<retrospectacus>next according to the bot there is apt-get upgrade. You may want to make a pastebin of what it wants to upgrade to confirm with us before you go ahead and press Y
18:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
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18:45<kouche>do you mean i have to activate these part of repo?
18:46<retrospectacus>I meant that earlier but if you were not using them before you should not need them now.
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18:47<kouche>but there is a problem
18:47<retrospectacus>kouche: you may type /msg dpkg contrib here in IRC to talk to the bot about that
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18:48<kouche>i/msg dpkg contrib
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18:50<s3a>which package do i install to have mesa3d?
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18:51<retrospectacus>s3a: libgl1-mesa-glx I think
18:51<retrospectacus>libgl1-mesa-dri ?
18:51<retrospectacus>s3a: what do you really need?
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18:54<kouche>and what about 404 errors?
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18:55<kouche>uname -r 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2
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18:56<kouche>it's not upgraded to 2.6.36
18:56<retrospectacus>you're just getting started on your upgrade.
18:57<retrospectacus>that kernel is ...something else
18:57<retrospectacus>need to fix those 404s first
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18:58<kouche>how can i fix them?
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18:59<retrospectacus>by editing the sources list... /msg dpkg squeeze/updates
19:00<retrospectacus>I don't have any squeeze sources so I'm not sure what they should be, exactly
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19:02<s3a>kouche, what do you want?
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19:03<kouche>i just get this errors
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19:03<kouche>when i want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze
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19:03<kouche>how can i fix it?
19:04<s3a>kouche, post your cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:05<retrospectacus>I don't think the squeeze/updates repo has a non-free part
19:05<s3a>i need to see the sources.list file's contents
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19:06<kouche> it is my source.list content
19:07<s3a>kouche, try removing the non-free like retrospectacus said and see if apt-get update reports any errors then
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19:08<retrospectacus>only from the squeeze/updates lines - remove (comment out) the last 2 lines
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19:09<retrospectacus>you can see from the paste it's squeeze/updates, non-free and contrib, that don't exist
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19:12<s3a>retrospectacus, are you sure about contrib?
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19:13<kouche>it was about security lines, there is no error more
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19:15<oddball42>does anybody here know how to reinstall grub onto a usb for encrypted lvm2 i have chrooted and mounted proc dev and sys then did mount the usb as /boot and ran grub install command and at startup all that was displayed was the grub console no os slection
19:15<retrospectacus>I'm not sure about anything, I don't have squeeze. But if it Failed to fetch that that's my assumption
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19:16<Arrowmaster>if you dont have squeeze why is it trying to fetch that
19:16<retrospectacus>kouche: right, apt-get update -> no error?
19:17<retrospectacus>Arrowmaster: we're taking kouche through a lenny->squeeze
19:18<s3a>kouche, so all is well now?
19:18<kouche>etrospectacus i apt-get update and no more error
19:19<retrospectacus>right, let's read the thing again
19:19<kouche>but i don't know what should i do now
19:19<retrospectacus>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
19:19<dpkg>Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>.
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19:19<retrospectacus>kouche: next is apt-get upgrade
19:19<kouche>apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev
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19:20<RocketSnail>how can I use apt-get or aptitude to install adobe flash player?
19:21<s3a>RocketSnail, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
19:21<retrospectacus>kouche: yeah. You can just put amd64 instead of that uname and sed stuff
19:21<kouche>E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2
19:21<retrospectacus>kouche: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64 udev
19:22<retrospectacus>kouche: yeah your current kernel is something crazy. Any idea why?
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19:22<RocketSnail>okay I tried this before - it replies "E: package "flashplugin-nonfree" has no candidate"
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19:23<retrospectacus>RocketSnail: you need to enable non-free and update
19:23<retrospectacus>RocketSnail: /msg dpkg non-free
19:23<RocketSnail>and it says that it is not available but is referred to
19:23<retrospectacus>actually it is in conrtib, not non-free
19:24<retrospectacus>you can /msg dpkg contrib
19:24<kouche>apt-get install linux-image-amd64 ---- i tried it and it's gonna download
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19:24<retrospectacus>kouche: make sure to install udev at the same time
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19:25<RocketSnail>Ahh so I need the source;
19:25<retrospectacus>RocketSnail: no
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19:26<RocketSnail>that's what he told me though? (at least I'm pretty sure he did)
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19:26<retrospectacus>RocketSnail: just edit your sources list and add "contrib" to the lines, update and install that thing
19:26<retrospectacus>RocketSnail: you don't need the source code.
19:27<RocketSnail>okay. I meant the repository, not like the source code, sorry...
19:27<RocketSnail>and also, is there a way to ad contrib to all of the lines through a terminal sort of fashion?
19:28<RocketSnail>I'm doing this all from a palm pre smartphone
19:28<kouche>nothing changed
19:28<RocketSnail>(at least I'm installing debian and a window manager on my phone)
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19:31<retrospectacus>kouche: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 udev finished, no errors?
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19:31<kouche>no error
19:31<kouche>but nothing changed
19:31<retrospectacus>kouche: now you can reboot into the new kernel
19:32<kouche>i did
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19:32<retrospectacus>you chose it on the grub screen at startup?
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19:32<kouche>it's on a vps server
19:32<kouche>there is no boot grub
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19:34<retrospectacus>not sure I can help you with that then
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19:35<kouche>would you suggest me any forum?
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19:36<cthuluh>the forum of your vps provider?
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19:36<kouche>My vps provider has no forum
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19:38<retrospectacus>support line then
19:38<kouche>your right
19:39<kouche>thank you so much then
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19:41<Arrowmaster>if its a vps system that doesnt let you upgrade the kernel then you arent going to be able to upgrade without some hard work
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19:42*retrospectacus agrees
19:42<retrospectacus>but he left
19:42<retrospectacus>also that kernel he had looks like a redhat from the .el5 part
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19:47<ctult>There are 464 people and no one is talking?
19:47<retrospectacus>this channel is for debian support, not chatting
19:48<SynrG>got a support question?
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19:49<ctult>Yeah, but usually there is at least someone getting help publicly, like Freenode's Ubuntu support.
19:50<retrospectacus>those guys need a lot more support ;)
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20:19<CcSsNET>477 pure geeks
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20:27<CcSsNET>ctult your right, it is creepy how silent it is in this chan considering the quantity of users in it
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20:50<brunosimon>algum br ae? =x
20:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:54<simbioz>I want to change the number of lines that can be scrolled in the terminal. How can I do that?
20:55<retrospectacus>depends on your terminal.
20:55<retrospectacus>in gnome-terminal you can set it in the profile preferences
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20:56<simbioz>retrospectacus: I am not running X
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20:57<retrospectacus>tty? don't know, sorry
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20:57<retrospectacus>some kernel parameter probably
20:57<retrospectacus>gotta go
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21:29<SkunK>Hello every body
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21:32<kiro>ping ant_
21:32<kiro>-!- ping ant_
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21:43<kiro>is all chat?
21:43<tux>linux takes forever to get used to
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21:57<k1lumin4t1>hi there
21:57<oddball42>hello all i have to install a new grub on a usb thumb drive for an existing encrypted lvm with / /home /swap partitioned separately i tried using backtrack 5 to fix it by mounting / /dev /sys and chrooting into and then mounting the usb thumb drive as /boot and running grub-install and doing the update-initramfs -u but get only the grub console at startup
21:57<k1lumin4t1>is that virtualbox-4.0 package that just entered Debian Sid i386 the same as Oracle's VBox?
21:59<oddball42>i believe it is
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22:06<oddball42>so has anyone made a new grub on a usb for an existing lvm? cause i am stuck like chuck
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22:25<Guest3961>toy mas solo que el capitan sin chubaca!!!
22:25<jenders>hi folks
22:26<jenders>I've banging on this preseed setup atm and having to do all sorts of wackyness because of my machines ipmi module
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22:27<jenders>The cause seems to be device labels shifting once the partman section is initialized
22:28<jenders>d-i seems to think that the flash memory on the ipmi module is a disk
22:28<jenders>but once debian boots, i think the ipmi kernel module is loaded and the device is recognized properly
22:29<jenders>but it causes all sorts of pain for automated installs
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22:30<jenders>perhaps I just need to inject the ipmi kernel modules into the d-i initrd
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22:31<oddball42>i am sorry i don't know anything about that
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23:36<hardbop200>hey, you know how gnome/xfce/others automagically mount a usb key or cd when they are inserted? is there anyway to get that without running those large DEs?
23:38<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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23:41<hardbop200>Arrowmaster: thank you! appreciate the pointers :)
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23:41<kop>hardbop200: usbmount is simplest. Beware vfat file systems -- they must be manually unmouted.
23:42<kop>hardbop200: (usbmount is just a bunch of udev rules these days.)
23:42<hardbop200>kop: got it. but but but! aren't all usb keys gonna be vfat?
23:42<kop>hardbop200: Unless they're yours.
23:42<hardbop200>kop: ;)
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23:52<Doug>Anybody know a quick & easy way to downgrade php in squeeze from 5.3 to 5.2? This would just need to be temporary.
23:53<bones_was_here>Doug: i do that by installing php from lenny
23:53<bones_was_here>theres probably other methods, but that one is at least easy
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23:56<Doug>So just point to the lenny repos temporarily to do the install?
23:57<Doug>Then when I'm ready to go back to 5.3, just uninstall 5.2, then point my repos back to squeeze & install 5.3 at that point>??
23:57<bones_was_here>just add lenny to sources.list, apt will pretty much ignore it and use the squeeze versions of everything except where you tell it otherwise
23:58<bones_was_here>then in aptitude you'll see several versions available for the php packages (among others)
23:59<bones_was_here>aptitude is reluctant to downgrade existing packages, so you may need to downgrade each php component package separately...
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